WEBVTT - Chevelle 0:00:00.040 --> 0:00:02.960 Hello, everyone, Welcome to our little corner of cyberspace that 0:00:03.040 --> 0:00:06.120 we call inside the studio on iHeart Radio. Thanks so 0:00:06.200 --> 0:00:17.680 much for being here. My name is Jordan run Tug, 0:00:17.800 --> 0:00:20.440 but enough about me. My guest today are a band 0:00:20.480 --> 0:00:22.720 of brothers who have been making music together since they 0:00:22.760 --> 0:00:25.800 were kids in their parents garage. You probably started tuning 0:00:25.800 --> 0:00:28.120 in around two thousand two, and they dropped their double 0:00:28.160 --> 0:00:31.760 platinum disc Wonder What's Next, which features smashes like the 0:00:31.800 --> 0:00:34.159 Red and Send the Pain Below, and they have not 0:00:34.200 --> 0:00:38.479 stopped rocking since. They're gearing up to release their new record, Nearatias. 0:00:38.520 --> 0:00:40.640 And that's an acronym, but I won't spoil the surprise. 0:00:41.120 --> 0:00:43.720 The disc is steeped in their passion for sci fi, 0:00:43.760 --> 0:00:47.600 with references to Elon Musk, missions to Marrows and simulation theory. 0:00:48.080 --> 0:00:50.519 I promised to focus on music as much as the matrix. 0:00:50.720 --> 0:00:53.400 I'm so happy to welcome Pete and Sam from Chevelle. 0:00:53.960 --> 0:00:57.480 You're about to release your ninth album, Nearatius. I believe 0:00:57.480 --> 0:01:00.480 I'm saying that right. Uh. An acronym were stands for 0:01:00.560 --> 0:01:03.000 nothing is real and this is the simulation which I 0:01:03.000 --> 0:01:05.800 have to say after a year, I take a lot 0:01:05.800 --> 0:01:07.480 of comfort in that. How did you end on that 0:01:07.520 --> 0:01:11.200 for the title? Yeah, you know, um, that's just how 0:01:11.200 --> 0:01:14.639 we felt, like. You you know, we finished the album 0:01:14.680 --> 0:01:18.000 in March and we flew home the day they shut 0:01:18.040 --> 0:01:22.880 down all the restaurants in like Los Angeles area, So 0:01:22.959 --> 0:01:25.919 we were flying out March eighteen, and we we landed 0:01:26.040 --> 0:01:29.880 at home and then you know, we had thirteen tracks 0:01:30.000 --> 0:01:33.880 too that we're done, and you have to sum those 0:01:33.959 --> 0:01:38.000 up in a in a title. So we thought, this 0:01:38.200 --> 0:01:42.360 just feels insane for one, like everyone else felt, you know, 0:01:43.760 --> 0:01:46.080 and how what a better way too? It just didn't 0:01:46.080 --> 0:01:48.680 feel real. So we're like, are we maybe this is 0:01:48.680 --> 0:01:52.960 a simulation. I was getting into a lot of simulation 0:01:53.040 --> 0:01:56.760 theory and and that whole topic that that wormhole down YouTube. 0:01:57.320 --> 0:02:01.160 You know, there's a lot of videos on that. Yeah, 0:02:01.560 --> 0:02:04.040 that's so funny. This at age thirty three, I watched 0:02:04.040 --> 0:02:07.080 The Matrix for the first time this summer purely because 0:02:07.080 --> 0:02:09.760 of what you were just saying, like everything felt so weird, Like, yeah, 0:02:09.800 --> 0:02:12.480 I started going down the whole simulation theory rabbit hole 0:02:12.760 --> 0:02:15.800 and great movie man. I saw it in the years 0:02:16.080 --> 0:02:17.640 when I was I don't even know what year that 0:02:17.800 --> 0:02:20.880 was or something like that, and something like that. It 0:02:20.960 --> 0:02:23.440 was like real prime Y two k A right, It's great. 0:02:23.800 --> 0:02:25.919 There's so much stuff that you can pull from too 0:02:26.000 --> 0:02:28.040 when you watch it. Like one of my favorite things 0:02:28.120 --> 0:02:33.240 about that was the deja Vu explanation, which is brilliant. 0:02:33.720 --> 0:02:36.600 You know, I'm sure everybody who's seen the Matrix members 0:02:36.639 --> 0:02:38.840 of the Deja Vu. It's a it's a glitch in 0:02:38.880 --> 0:02:41.359 the matrix. So every time I get a deja Vu, 0:02:41.520 --> 0:02:45.360 I'm just like, you're thinking about that movie. Yeah, exactly. 0:02:45.440 --> 0:02:47.400 Do you ever read the really interesting Chuck cost from 0:02:47.440 --> 0:02:50.720 an essay that he has about about simulation theory, and um, 0:02:50.720 --> 0:02:52.680 I forget which book of his, but it's it's really 0:02:52.720 --> 0:02:59.400 fascinating stuff. No, no, yeah, we'll look that up. I mean, 0:02:59.600 --> 0:03:01.480 so to this album, I mean the mood. I know 0:03:01.520 --> 0:03:03.840 it was finished before COVID, but it really just seems 0:03:03.880 --> 0:03:05.920 to fit this era so much. I mean, you knew 0:03:05.919 --> 0:03:08.520 single self destructor the lines just they don't care what 0:03:08.639 --> 0:03:12.000 science says. I mean, it just feels so relevant. And 0:03:12.080 --> 0:03:15.480 yeah this was all written before that. Well yeah, but um, 0:03:15.600 --> 0:03:21.720 science denial has been going on for long. Yeah this Yeah, 0:03:21.760 --> 0:03:24.560 these lyrics all stem from a conversation I had with 0:03:24.600 --> 0:03:30.119 someone and I was just kind of dumbfounded and wondering 0:03:30.520 --> 0:03:33.720 where the world was headed. So that song just it 0:03:33.840 --> 0:03:35.600 just came out of me. It was, you know, from 0:03:35.640 --> 0:03:39.440 personal experience, and it was before COVID, so it is 0:03:39.480 --> 0:03:43.320 about the anti vaxers, and so it did kind of fit. 0:03:43.400 --> 0:03:45.640 It kind of fits now too, So I didn't you know, 0:03:45.680 --> 0:03:48.000 I we we don't usually get into like hot topics 0:03:48.040 --> 0:03:50.400 like that. We're a little more tame, you know, as 0:03:50.400 --> 0:03:52.640 far as like I mean, we don't always tell people 0:03:52.760 --> 0:03:55.200 what these songs are about. But this one is is 0:03:55.200 --> 0:03:58.880 pretty obvious and it's pretty like but you know, any 0:03:59.120 --> 0:04:02.680 you know, and time you have someone who's like Sam said, 0:04:02.680 --> 0:04:05.240 of science denier, For me, it's just a little gut punch, 0:04:05.440 --> 0:04:07.880 like we're headed in the wrong direction. So the song 0:04:07.960 --> 0:04:10.560 is aggressive, and you know, I hope people dig it, 0:04:10.640 --> 0:04:13.600 but you know, it's a hot button issue. I know 0:04:13.840 --> 0:04:15.720 it really is. In order to in order to be 0:04:15.720 --> 0:04:18.000 an anti baccer too. And I've done a little bit 0:04:18.000 --> 0:04:21.200 of research into this why people are anti bactors And 0:04:21.279 --> 0:04:26.440 you have to you have to literally ignore the truth, 0:04:27.080 --> 0:04:29.239 right at some point you have to say, okay, well, 0:04:29.480 --> 0:04:31.120 if I put these two things in front of me, 0:04:31.120 --> 0:04:33.359 they're in front of me, right, but you have to 0:04:33.400 --> 0:04:36.200 deny that and say no, just because I see them 0:04:36.200 --> 0:04:39.920 and can touch them, and everybody agrees that doesn't mean 0:04:39.960 --> 0:04:41.599 that it's there. And you're like, okay, well I can't 0:04:41.680 --> 0:04:44.719 argue with you. I can't argue with that. So that's it. 0:04:45.440 --> 0:04:47.320 I mean, on the flip side of all the science denying, 0:04:47.360 --> 0:04:49.960 you have a lot of space themes and interstellar travel 0:04:50.000 --> 0:04:51.640 on this album. I mean, I'm thinking of the of 0:04:51.880 --> 0:04:55.280 Mars Simila with the elon musk travel in the Mars. 0:04:55.800 --> 0:04:57.919 How did how did that come into into the mix? 0:04:58.080 --> 0:05:01.400 You know? Um, I think it's just that whole like 0:05:01.520 --> 0:05:06.200 Ray Bradbury growing up reading his science fiction and there's 0:05:06.240 --> 0:05:09.240 so many stories about Mars that stuck out. And then 0:05:09.400 --> 0:05:12.039 you know, once I had a kid, Um, those things 0:05:12.080 --> 0:05:14.159 start coming up and you start digging out you know, 0:05:14.320 --> 0:05:17.200 old books and things like that, and um, that was 0:05:17.240 --> 0:05:19.160 a big influence on me when I was growing up. 0:05:19.240 --> 0:05:21.640 So it's just always been there, you know, the mars 0:05:21.760 --> 0:05:24.960 um concept getting there. You know, it's just which is 0:05:25.120 --> 0:05:27.560 completely fascinating. I mean, you know, we went to the 0:05:27.560 --> 0:05:30.080 Moon and then um it just kind of like stopped. 0:05:30.200 --> 0:05:32.000 We now we don't go back to the Moon. I don't. 0:05:32.080 --> 0:05:34.839 I don't, So I'm fascinating and I'm kind of like 0:05:35.160 --> 0:05:38.080 waiting to see what we're going to do to get 0:05:38.400 --> 0:05:41.560 even further to Mars, because I'd love to see it happen. 0:05:41.839 --> 0:05:44.279 But I just also when you start learning about the 0:05:44.320 --> 0:05:49.760 complications of uh space travel with the radiation problem of 0:05:49.839 --> 0:05:53.040 keeping people healthy and then mentally as well. That's why 0:05:53.080 --> 0:05:55.320 I called it Mars simular because for me, it's like 0:05:55.360 --> 0:05:57.679 you're getting off the Earth to you know, maybe ship 0:05:57.600 --> 0:06:01.720 it is um arashing and burning here, so you know 0:06:02.000 --> 0:06:04.040 you need to go, you need to populate another planet, 0:06:04.279 --> 0:06:07.720 interplanetarry species, keep it going. But this riff just needed 0:06:07.760 --> 0:06:11.360 a heavy just kind of like a fun heavy topic 0:06:11.480 --> 0:06:13.719 for me, and it kind of fit. And I was 0:06:13.760 --> 0:06:15.559 just calling it Mars for a while. And then actually 0:06:15.600 --> 0:06:17.760 when I was looking back the lyrics when we were 0:06:17.800 --> 0:06:19.359 finishing the album, I was like, you know, this is 0:06:19.400 --> 0:06:23.080 more like it's almost like a you know, it's just 0:06:23.120 --> 0:06:25.479 not it's not we're not there yet. So I'm gonna 0:06:25.480 --> 0:06:29.080 attack on Simula here because you know, there are those 0:06:29.160 --> 0:06:32.839 videos where you can virtually travel on YouTube to Mars, 0:06:33.400 --> 0:06:36.680 but m it's just a fun topic. It's not. You know, 0:06:37.320 --> 0:06:39.120 we're all just sitting here waiting to see what Ellen 0:06:39.200 --> 0:06:42.080 is gonna do. Right, isn't you know would you take 0:06:42.120 --> 0:06:44.080 a ride if he if he had ends up having 0:06:44.080 --> 0:06:48.719 the Space tourist vehicle? Oh wow, like up into the 0:06:48.720 --> 0:06:51.360 the hundred and fifty thousand miles up or whatever, Like, 0:06:51.480 --> 0:06:58.320 isn't that what they're talking about? Something like no way, No, 0:06:58.400 --> 0:07:01.279 I'm gonna keep my feet on the ground. Um, we 0:07:01.360 --> 0:07:05.000 had this agreed. Sorry, I want I want to add 0:07:05.360 --> 0:07:07.400 Pete than when I found out how I just want 0:07:07.400 --> 0:07:08.839 to say how many? When I found out how many 0:07:08.839 --> 0:07:11.120 people were willing to sign up to go to Mars, 0:07:11.440 --> 0:07:13.960 that gave me anxiety just knowing that there's people that 0:07:14.000 --> 0:07:17.680 were willing to do it. There's a really fascinating mini 0:07:17.720 --> 0:07:20.080 documentary Maybe I might have been a New York Times thing. 0:07:20.080 --> 0:07:22.680 It was like ten fifteen minutes long that just interviews 0:07:22.720 --> 0:07:25.320 I think five people. It might be called If I 0:07:25.360 --> 0:07:27.400 Die on Mars or something like that was people that 0:07:27.440 --> 0:07:30.240 it's like, yeah, I'm signing away, like I am happy 0:07:30.320 --> 0:07:32.480 to do this and go do this, and I'm I'd 0:07:32.480 --> 0:07:34.600 be fine if I never come back. It's so fasting 0:07:34.680 --> 0:07:37.520 to hear all their their reasons and everything. It's it's 0:07:37.560 --> 0:07:40.040 really interesting because on one hand it's heroic, but another 0:07:40.080 --> 0:07:42.480 hand it's fine. There was a great program I think 0:07:42.480 --> 0:07:45.680 it was just called Mars on I think National Geographic 0:07:46.560 --> 0:07:48.080 Um in the past couple of years. I don't know 0:07:48.080 --> 0:07:52.120 if you saw that series, the three seasons, but man, 0:07:52.280 --> 0:07:55.600 is that good. Check it out. It's phenomenally done. Yeah, 0:07:55.800 --> 0:07:57.840 I agree, and they should have called it if I 0:07:58.040 --> 0:08:01.640 dropped trying to go to Mars, because that's much more likely. 0:08:01.840 --> 0:08:03.520 Are you are you willing to go to Mars? Yeah, 0:08:03.560 --> 0:08:05.520 I'll die in Mars. Are you willing to die before 0:08:05.520 --> 0:08:10.440 you get to Mars? Yeah, that's a different, different questions. Yeah, 0:08:10.720 --> 0:08:13.920 well you mentioned those great you know, seventies sci fi 0:08:14.120 --> 0:08:16.720 novels and stuff, and that gets me to your album 0:08:16.800 --> 0:08:19.880 covered by the great Boris Palleo, who did all sorts 0:08:19.920 --> 0:08:23.800 of incredible uh seventies novels and of course the posters 0:08:23.840 --> 0:08:26.560 for National Lampune's Vacation and night Rider. How did you 0:08:26.600 --> 0:08:29.640 first approach him for this? Well, I would love to 0:08:29.680 --> 0:08:32.599 say that, you know, Sam called him up and I 0:08:32.720 --> 0:08:35.200 had a nice conversation, or I did, but we just 0:08:35.240 --> 0:08:38.360 went through the label and it's not very exciting. But Um, 0:08:38.400 --> 0:08:41.199 I had this, uh about a decade ago. I came 0:08:41.240 --> 0:08:44.040 across a it was a massive kids book, like an 0:08:44.080 --> 0:08:48.439 oversized kids book like three ft I too, like seventies 0:08:48.880 --> 0:08:51.520 who was early eighties book in a in a thrift 0:08:51.559 --> 0:08:53.120 store and it was it was selling for like ten 0:08:53.160 --> 0:08:54.920 bucks or whatever, and I bought it and I've had 0:08:54.960 --> 0:08:57.200 it in my just in my collection of things that 0:08:57.240 --> 0:08:59.800 I like from the road, and it's it's awesome. You 0:08:59.800 --> 0:09:02.200 could open it up. It's like these you could frame these, 0:09:02.360 --> 0:09:06.200 these these posters you know, in book for him, if 0:09:06.240 --> 0:09:07.959 you were to cut him out and frame them. They 0:09:07.960 --> 0:09:10.040 look that good. So it was just this little score 0:09:10.120 --> 0:09:14.679 I had of his work, you know, from a children's book. Um, 0:09:14.800 --> 0:09:17.160 So for the Last Man, probably the last decade, I've 0:09:17.160 --> 0:09:19.400 been like, I wonder if you could, I would love 0:09:19.440 --> 0:09:23.640 to have some of Boris's work for a cover. I mean, 0:09:23.760 --> 0:09:26.560 it's just it fit, it fit up fit the time 0:09:26.760 --> 0:09:30.320 right now for us, in our in our in our album. 0:09:30.360 --> 0:09:33.880 So UM hit him up and he was into it 0:09:34.400 --> 0:09:36.439 and we were super excited. And you should go check 0:09:36.440 --> 0:09:41.080 out his website because it is um it's it's it's yeah. 0:09:41.200 --> 0:09:43.559 It's's rad I mean, he it's funny because he runs 0:09:43.600 --> 0:09:46.080 the gamut, doesn't he He's got like now he's he's 0:09:46.080 --> 0:09:48.720 doing a lot of like you know, it's the sci 0:09:48.800 --> 0:09:52.000 fi nude. It's so like, wow, they're red. I mean 0:09:52.040 --> 0:09:56.160 they're they're really chiller to look at. Lots of dragons, 0:09:56.920 --> 0:10:01.199 lots of tales, lots of space space travel with the 0:10:02.280 --> 0:10:04.840 naked people, a lot of naked dudes too. So he's 0:10:04.880 --> 0:10:10.199 you know, he's he's open everything absolutely. So yeah, saw 0:10:10.240 --> 0:10:12.959 that as well. In fact, one of the one of 0:10:13.000 --> 0:10:15.080 the ones that we actually we're looking at to make 0:10:15.240 --> 0:10:18.600 to use as a record cover was just we sort 0:10:18.600 --> 0:10:23.320 of deemed it too much. So yeah, it was just 0:10:23.400 --> 0:10:26.120 a little too close, um with the creature that was 0:10:26.160 --> 0:10:29.000 on it. So but we love the visuals for all 0:10:29.080 --> 0:10:30.800 of us are so cool. I mean, of course, the 0:10:30.920 --> 0:10:34.040 video for Self Destructor is like Men and Black with 0:10:34.120 --> 0:10:37.000 way better cars and vehicles that look how when did 0:10:37.000 --> 0:10:39.160 you when did you put that together? Was that all 0:10:39.200 --> 0:10:41.120 filmed before COVID? I mean it's just it's like a 0:10:41.160 --> 0:10:45.040 mini movie. It's awesome. Um, And that's a good question. 0:10:45.080 --> 0:10:47.640 It did turn into a little mini movie. Pete and 0:10:47.679 --> 0:10:51.360 I sat and brains brainstormed over over that thing and 0:10:51.400 --> 0:10:53.000 just kind of came up with that and then we 0:10:53.040 --> 0:10:58.240 gave it to um our director and our production people, 0:10:58.679 --> 0:11:02.560 Rob Gibson and and they just sort of built it 0:11:02.640 --> 0:11:05.800 from there. Um, it was weird to shoot it. We 0:11:05.880 --> 0:11:07.840 shot most of it outside. It was a small team 0:11:07.920 --> 0:11:11.480 six people because you have for insurance and everything, you 0:11:11.640 --> 0:11:13.360 have to wear masks, you have to check, you have 0:11:13.400 --> 0:11:15.680 to get COVID tests and all that stuff. It's difficult 0:11:16.200 --> 0:11:19.000 to work right now you had to do anything. So 0:11:19.280 --> 0:11:21.080 but we did it. We did it the way that 0:11:21.160 --> 0:11:24.000 they required us to do, and everybody was good. But 0:11:24.120 --> 0:11:26.120 it was fun to shoot. Is probably most of them 0:11:26.120 --> 0:11:28.439 we've ever had shooting a video, to be fair. Yeah, 0:11:28.480 --> 0:11:30.839 I mean it looks absolutely amazing. I mean just the 0:11:31.200 --> 0:11:33.760 visuals for this are just so striking. It's so cool, 0:11:33.840 --> 0:11:37.560 and of course the music. Obviously, you worked again with 0:11:38.200 --> 0:11:40.959 Joe Barressi, who produced your last four albums. I believe 0:11:41.000 --> 0:11:45.920 since No Bull. Um, what is it about Joe that 0:11:45.920 --> 0:11:48.280 makes it such a fruitful collaboration? Like, what what does 0:11:48.320 --> 0:11:51.520 he bring to the table for for you when you're recording, Well, 0:11:51.640 --> 0:11:55.040 right out of the gate, he's just he's just there 0:11:55.160 --> 0:11:58.360 for the artist. So it's really difficult to give that up, 0:11:59.480 --> 0:12:02.720 you know, once you have that working relationship, you know, 0:12:02.960 --> 0:12:05.480 I mean I, you know, Sam and I will will 0:12:05.520 --> 0:12:09.000 do demos and I'll just email them where we're at 0:12:09.880 --> 0:12:13.640 and he gives us his notes and we you know, 0:12:13.679 --> 0:12:16.360 either you know, either he's digging it or he's like 0:12:16.440 --> 0:12:19.120 this song is complete and utter. Ship you need to 0:12:19.160 --> 0:12:21.240 go back to the drawing where which happens to you know? 0:12:21.520 --> 0:12:25.120 So he sent back seven songs. He was like, I 0:12:25.120 --> 0:12:28.959 don't like these seven Yeah, so those are just kind 0:12:29.000 --> 0:12:33.000 of waiting there, you know, to be adapted to be Yeah, 0:12:33.040 --> 0:12:34.960 I don't know what I'm gonna do this, but yeah, 0:12:35.000 --> 0:12:37.320 it's it's a demoralizing, it's a it's a it's a 0:12:37.440 --> 0:12:41.319 hard conversation to have because you're like, wow, so nothing redeeming, 0:12:41.600 --> 0:12:44.880 but we'll see. But he's honest, he's so that helps. 0:12:44.960 --> 0:12:47.400 You don't want to dick around when you're trying to 0:12:47.440 --> 0:12:50.040 get something great done. So that's what you're always shooting for, 0:12:50.160 --> 0:12:52.200 is to beat your last project and beat the last 0:12:52.240 --> 0:12:54.760 song you send him. So it's just a good working 0:12:54.800 --> 0:12:57.480 relationship is really what it is. You know, we like him, 0:12:57.640 --> 0:13:00.560 you know, yeah, you'd be mad about it. He didn't 0:13:00.559 --> 0:13:03.800 get so much better music out of us, So it's 0:13:03.800 --> 0:13:05.320 like you can never be mad about it because like 0:13:05.559 --> 0:13:07.520 he was right, I wrote this much better of a 0:13:07.559 --> 0:13:09.840 song after that, I think after me said he sent 0:13:09.880 --> 0:13:12.480 those original seven back. I think he wrote mother Earth right. 0:13:13.000 --> 0:13:15.800 Mother Earth was probably the first one back, and then yeah, 0:13:16.240 --> 0:13:19.600 others came from there. And it was great because he 0:13:19.640 --> 0:13:22.400 called up Pete and he was like, dude, I'm sitting here, 0:13:22.520 --> 0:13:26.080 me and June. June's the engineering the engineer, and and 0:13:26.120 --> 0:13:28.080 he's just like, we're sitting We're sitting here and me 0:13:28.120 --> 0:13:30.199 and June, and we just listened to this three or 0:13:30.240 --> 0:13:32.600 four times in a row. We can't stop listening to it. 0:13:32.880 --> 0:13:35.400 This is what we've been waiting for. And he's so encouraging, 0:13:36.160 --> 0:13:39.080 made you want to keep working because then he ended 0:13:39.120 --> 0:13:51.720 his conversation with now go right seven more of these. Well, Pete, 0:13:51.760 --> 0:13:53.880 I think there was an interview recently where you said 0:13:53.880 --> 0:13:57.400 that this was sort of the most difficult time that 0:13:57.440 --> 0:14:00.240 you've had writing material for an album. How do you 0:14:00.240 --> 0:14:02.400 push past that or is it just is it just 0:14:02.679 --> 0:14:05.040 endurance like sheer force of will? Or is it a 0:14:05.040 --> 0:14:07.920 case of just waiting until you feel inspired. Yeah, it's 0:14:07.960 --> 0:14:11.960 it's part um, you know, it's part not wanting to 0:14:11.960 --> 0:14:15.480 be bored, it's part inspiration. And it's part of being 0:14:15.520 --> 0:14:20.280 brainwashed over my career, okay, because we were brainwashed and 0:14:20.600 --> 0:14:25.320 you can never sit idle right you like you can 0:14:25.120 --> 0:14:27.560 you always they keep you on the road, you know, 0:14:28.120 --> 0:14:31.320 and um, which is good and bad, you know what 0:14:31.400 --> 0:14:33.080 I mean, because you you love it at the same 0:14:33.120 --> 0:14:35.000 time you're like, you don't know which way is up 0:14:35.080 --> 0:14:38.040 half the time. So but that's more in the beginning. 0:14:39.120 --> 0:14:42.160 But it's just kind of like this um, this machine 0:14:42.200 --> 0:14:45.920 that you know when you when you when you stick 0:14:45.960 --> 0:14:49.040 to it, you're you're you're happier. That's where I am. 0:14:49.200 --> 0:14:52.840 That's why I just I just start, you know. So 0:14:53.720 --> 0:14:56.440 it's not a huge, you know, secret behind it. It's 0:14:56.480 --> 0:14:59.400 just what we do, which is what makes you know, 0:14:59.480 --> 0:15:06.560 so awful for musicians, you know, you're just prevented from 0:15:08.200 --> 0:15:11.280 getting into groups clusters of people and sharing your your 0:15:11.440 --> 0:15:14.880 music and your art. So I know that it's affected everyone, 0:15:16.000 --> 0:15:17.840 but you know, in the in the arts, it seems 0:15:17.880 --> 0:15:22.320 like it's really um, it's just been like this you know, 0:15:22.360 --> 0:15:26.160 this bulldozer that just like went through your career. So, um, 0:15:26.200 --> 0:15:29.400 it's been it's been tough. Not gonna say it was easy. Um, 0:15:29.480 --> 0:15:31.520 and it's still not and we're not back yet either, 0:15:31.600 --> 0:15:34.360 so we're just waiting to see what's going to happen. 0:15:35.040 --> 0:15:38.800 Like everyone, have you been able to get together the 0:15:38.840 --> 0:15:40.920 two of you in in in studios together? Is it 0:15:40.960 --> 0:15:45.080 mostly been over zoomed for? Yeah. We have a studio 0:15:45.240 --> 0:15:48.560 at Pete's house, so I go there, um four times, 0:15:48.920 --> 0:15:52.120 five times a week work. It's just his family and 0:15:52.160 --> 0:15:55.000 my family. We have little kids, so there we're all 0:15:55.360 --> 0:15:57.440 kind of like in our own bubble. I mean we 0:15:57.480 --> 0:16:00.240 are in our own bubble. So so we're still that 0:16:00.240 --> 0:16:03.000 would work, but it's hard because I think the part 0:16:03.080 --> 0:16:05.560 that makes it hard to work is you you write 0:16:05.600 --> 0:16:07.760 the music, you record the music, and then you play 0:16:07.800 --> 0:16:10.360 the music, and since you can't play the music, it's 0:16:10.400 --> 0:16:13.000 just it doesn't ever feel like it's going to feed back. 0:16:13.320 --> 0:16:16.280 So you're just just keep working. Yeah, and you keep 0:16:16.280 --> 0:16:18.960 working in and you're just kind of like, when when 0:16:18.960 --> 0:16:21.480 does this get to see the light of day? And 0:16:21.640 --> 0:16:24.000 who knows if it will? I feel be able to 0:16:24.000 --> 0:16:27.880 play the songs, but um, I mean right now, it's 0:16:27.920 --> 0:16:30.560 like our management, our attorney, people like I say, just 0:16:30.680 --> 0:16:33.400 keep writing, just keep writing, and you just kind of going, 0:16:34.480 --> 0:16:37.280 I just I want to do this thing. My pattern 0:16:38.040 --> 0:16:41.160 process has been this for so many years. You write 0:16:41.600 --> 0:16:46.160 record and it's the full circle of that process. And 0:16:46.280 --> 0:16:48.240 right now we're just kind of like it's like a 0:16:48.280 --> 0:16:51.120 glitch in the matrix again. Going down to that, you're like, 0:16:52.240 --> 0:16:56.360 it's something's off here, you know, right, And I'm not 0:16:56.400 --> 0:16:59.240 complaining about it. I'm just saying that. It's almost like 0:16:59.240 --> 0:17:01.800 you're just you're waiting to do it, is all. And 0:17:01.880 --> 0:17:05.000 so without doing that, it's difficult to just keep writing. 0:17:05.000 --> 0:17:07.240 I mean, I know Prince did it, so so we 0:17:07.280 --> 0:17:10.800 can do it. Writing and writing and writing, right. So, yeah, 0:17:10.840 --> 0:17:13.240 he was always writing, but Pete's always writing too. So 0:17:13.880 --> 0:17:16.359 are you ever superstitious at all when you write? Like 0:17:16.440 --> 0:17:17.720 is there a place you'd like to do it, or 0:17:17.720 --> 0:17:19.480 a time of day, or or an instrument you'd like 0:17:19.560 --> 0:17:23.480 to use? Uh? No, not really No, I mean I started, 0:17:23.600 --> 0:17:26.919 uh using a keyboard on this album a lot, so 0:17:27.000 --> 0:17:29.040 I wrote, I wrote a couple of well, like a 0:17:29.119 --> 0:17:31.879 piano on the end of a self destructor and I 0:17:32.080 --> 0:17:34.119 you know, that was the first instrument I learned. As 0:17:34.160 --> 0:17:36.400 a kid, we were all we all had piano lessons, 0:17:36.600 --> 0:17:39.200 and that was I think it probably a good thing. 0:17:39.280 --> 0:17:41.120 It kind of gave us a It gave us eight 0:17:41.119 --> 0:17:45.080 octaves of you know, notes to um sort of train 0:17:45.160 --> 0:17:48.320 your brain. So I'm actually getting back to to my 0:17:48.320 --> 0:17:51.360 my roots in the piano world and keyboard world. So 0:17:51.520 --> 0:17:53.080 you're gonna hear a lot more of that on on 0:17:53.359 --> 0:17:56.200 this new album as well. Learning an instrument is difficult 0:17:56.240 --> 0:17:59.679 in that you don't understand the writing process of it. 0:17:59.720 --> 0:18:02.280 So when you're a kid, you're playing these, you know, 0:18:02.600 --> 0:18:05.320 crappy little songs that somebody developed that are easy because 0:18:05.320 --> 0:18:07.480 they're easy to play and easy to learn, and then 0:18:07.560 --> 0:18:11.400 you start learning classics, you know, Beethoven and things like that, 0:18:11.520 --> 0:18:15.800 and but you're not really learning. Somebody's just teaching you 0:18:16.200 --> 0:18:20.399 the notes. You're not learning what it's useful for. I 0:18:20.400 --> 0:18:23.000 think that that's I'm sure there's people teaching that. I'm 0:18:23.040 --> 0:18:26.240 sure there's people that are great music teachers, piano teachers, 0:18:26.280 --> 0:18:29.240 teaching people to expand beyond that. But when we were kids, 0:18:29.680 --> 0:18:32.040 we weren't learning that. We're just learning this thing. And 0:18:32.080 --> 0:18:33.800 it was like, I do not want to sit and 0:18:34.240 --> 0:18:36.960 play how much. Is that dog in the window anymore? Yeah, 0:18:37.040 --> 0:18:41.040 you hated playing piano, Brot, you needed to find your 0:18:42.240 --> 0:18:44.679 your instrument there, which it turns out I just like 0:18:44.800 --> 0:18:47.960 to bang on ship. So I mean you did it. 0:18:48.560 --> 0:18:52.200 You located your passion there. So but man, yeah, I 0:18:52.200 --> 0:18:54.720 I love piano. But um, once I got ahold of 0:18:54.720 --> 0:18:57.600 the guitar, I was, you know, by bye piano for 0:18:57.640 --> 0:18:59.760 a minute. But like I said, yeah, I'll write on 0:18:59.760 --> 0:19:02.600 any thing, you know, so um, you know, did John 0:19:02.640 --> 0:19:04.880 Lennon say, you know, give me a tuba, I'll ret 0:19:04.960 --> 0:19:08.600 your song. It's like, you know, really, if you just 0:19:08.640 --> 0:19:11.320 need to start, sit down with that and you'll end 0:19:11.400 --> 0:19:14.359 up somewhere. It might suck, but it might be great. 0:19:14.960 --> 0:19:16.560 Piano is such a cool thing to learn on because 0:19:16.560 --> 0:19:19.320 I remember taking music theory classes in school and they 0:19:19.320 --> 0:19:21.960 would say, you know, we're not trying to train you 0:19:22.000 --> 0:19:23.520 to be a good pianist. We just want you to 0:19:23.560 --> 0:19:26.280 see visually what this all is, like, how this all 0:19:26.320 --> 0:19:29.160 fits together, and then you know how the notes correspond 0:19:29.160 --> 0:19:31.359 to the page. And it's such a great even if 0:19:31.400 --> 0:19:33.359 you you know, if you do do want to write songs, 0:19:33.359 --> 0:19:35.879 even if they are you know, guitar oriented. Yeah, I 0:19:35.920 --> 0:19:38.040 mean being able to have a background in piano makes 0:19:38.040 --> 0:19:39.760 it I think so much easier too. That's a really 0:19:39.760 --> 0:19:43.000 good point. I mean being sort of more I guess 0:19:43.000 --> 0:19:45.480 house bound these days, is there is a feeling of 0:19:45.520 --> 0:19:48.040 almost like returning to your roots, like being back in 0:19:48.040 --> 0:19:50.720 in the garage at your parents house or something like that, 0:19:50.760 --> 0:19:53.320 like that, is there any sense of that with you? Yeah, 0:19:53.359 --> 0:19:56.359 what do you think, Sam? Well, well, we have little kids. 0:19:56.400 --> 0:20:01.240 So I have a six year olds, a six year old, 0:20:01.359 --> 0:20:04.320 and a four and a two. So what is six, 0:20:04.320 --> 0:20:06.760 four and two? So Sam's he's in the thick of 0:20:06.760 --> 0:20:09.760 it right now. I'm coming out of like the real 0:20:09.800 --> 0:20:13.080 stressful baby part of it, and now it's really like 0:20:13.240 --> 0:20:16.000 six year old is is is great? I mean you're 0:20:16.040 --> 0:20:18.879 like he's doing minecraft on his own and he's like 0:20:19.040 --> 0:20:22.680 make he does these train train simulators. That's really big 0:20:22.720 --> 0:20:26.480 into that, which is amazing. I don't understand it. Uh, 0:20:26.560 --> 0:20:30.359 they create these worlds with train tracks and they can 0:20:30.480 --> 0:20:32.840 pick and choose and make all their own like freight trains. 0:20:32.880 --> 0:20:35.639 He's like, that's a passenger train. That's a blah blah blaff. 0:20:35.760 --> 0:20:39.359 So yeah, but I mean it's uh, you start digging 0:20:39.359 --> 0:20:41.919