1 00:00:05,320 --> 00:00:06,080 Speaker 1: I would have bad. 2 00:00:06,200 --> 00:00:09,959 Speaker 2: The Bangda Dang Dang Dingy said the buggy sit up 3 00:00:10,119 --> 00:00:14,640 Speaker 2: jump on the Bangda Dang Yao said. 4 00:00:14,440 --> 00:00:26,759 Speaker 1: The bugs you set up jump the bog. Good morning, 5 00:00:27,080 --> 00:00:30,040 Speaker 1: sweet world, and welcome to the No Dunks podcast on 6 00:00:30,120 --> 00:00:33,600 Speaker 1: the Athletic Network. It's Thursday, October fifth, twenty twenty three. 7 00:00:33,680 --> 00:00:35,640 Speaker 1: I'm jay E Skis here in the Classic Factory. To 8 00:00:35,720 --> 00:00:38,400 Speaker 1: my left, it's the Bearded one, Matapsha Hot Boy, Trey Kirby, 9 00:00:38,440 --> 00:00:41,640 Speaker 1: Hey hey yo, and over Yonder the man making the 10 00:00:41,640 --> 00:00:43,640 Speaker 1: magic happen. Super producer JD. 11 00:00:44,080 --> 00:00:48,480 Speaker 2: Guys had a quick correction to make Hello bye bye. Yesterday, 12 00:00:48,600 --> 00:00:52,080 Speaker 2: we were all uh, you know, jerking each other off 13 00:00:52,159 --> 00:00:56,520 Speaker 2: because I got the date right on Tuesday the slide 14 00:00:56,560 --> 00:00:59,960 Speaker 2: that comes in it was October third, and I put 15 00:01:00,080 --> 00:01:04,160 Speaker 2: October third. But this was the slide I put up 16 00:01:04,560 --> 00:01:07,920 Speaker 2: October third, twenty twenty three, twenty twenty three. 17 00:01:09,160 --> 00:01:12,120 Speaker 1: Nobody said anything, So you did actually get it? Well yeah, 18 00:01:12,240 --> 00:01:15,600 Speaker 1: not wrong, well, a little too right, a little too. 19 00:01:15,520 --> 00:01:19,520 Speaker 2: Right, very very redundant and stupid. Anyway, I want to 20 00:01:19,520 --> 00:01:22,959 Speaker 2: apologize about that. Yeah, my bad. 21 00:01:23,200 --> 00:01:25,920 Speaker 1: That's okay, man, Don't beat yourself up. Don't be so 22 00:01:25,959 --> 00:01:27,960 Speaker 1: hard on yourself. What are you a piece of space 23 00:01:28,000 --> 00:01:31,800 Speaker 1: age titanium. Come on, all right, well, we got today's 24 00:01:31,840 --> 00:01:34,880 Speaker 1: date right, it's October fifth and it is twenty twenty three. 25 00:01:34,880 --> 00:01:36,840 Speaker 1: You just got to say it once. A quick update 26 00:01:36,880 --> 00:01:39,920 Speaker 1: about our guy Task. I saw him yesterday in the 27 00:01:40,000 --> 00:01:46,080 Speaker 1: rehab facility. Improvements were massive, incredible night and day from 28 00:01:46,120 --> 00:01:47,680 Speaker 1: the last time I saw a Task, which was a 29 00:01:47,680 --> 00:01:51,760 Speaker 1: week ago. Physically he's standing, he's walking around, His speech 30 00:01:51,800 --> 00:01:56,040 Speaker 1: and communication drastically better. We talked about the blue jay sucking, 31 00:01:57,760 --> 00:02:00,120 Speaker 1: We kicked the we kicked the talked a little bit 32 00:02:00,160 --> 00:02:02,760 Speaker 1: about work and look, he's still got a lot of 33 00:02:02,800 --> 00:02:05,120 Speaker 1: work to do when it comes to fully rehabbing. But 34 00:02:05,240 --> 00:02:08,240 Speaker 1: it was great to see him and again just an 35 00:02:08,240 --> 00:02:11,239 Speaker 1: incredibly positive visit. I know you're going later today, j D. 36 00:02:11,360 --> 00:02:13,360 Speaker 1: I think you later in the week. So yeah, shout 37 00:02:13,360 --> 00:02:15,800 Speaker 1: out to our guy Tassy and just keeping everybody up 38 00:02:15,800 --> 00:02:18,040 Speaker 1: to date on his progress. And it was amazing. It 39 00:02:18,080 --> 00:02:20,200 Speaker 1: felt so good to see him like that. It was 40 00:02:20,800 --> 00:02:24,040 Speaker 1: the Tassy of old yesterday. The issue now is going 41 00:02:24,080 --> 00:02:26,680 Speaker 1: to be keeping him there, Like I'm convinced, like he's 42 00:02:26,680 --> 00:02:28,240 Speaker 1: gonna be like, hey, pull the car around, man, We're 43 00:02:28,240 --> 00:02:32,640 Speaker 1: getting Taty here, but it was great to see him 44 00:02:32,680 --> 00:02:34,520 Speaker 1: and I can't wait to hear how it goes today 45 00:02:34,840 --> 00:02:37,519 Speaker 1: tomorrow for you. JD all right, shout out to the 46 00:02:37,520 --> 00:02:39,920 Speaker 1: stream team. Joining us live right now on YouTube like 47 00:02:39,960 --> 00:02:44,000 Speaker 1: the vid comment away, subscribe if you haven't, and if 48 00:02:44,040 --> 00:02:47,160 Speaker 1: you are a Survivor fan, stick around here in the factory. 49 00:02:47,600 --> 00:02:49,400 Speaker 1: You gotta go over to nobuffs of course. But at 50 00:02:49,440 --> 00:02:52,040 Speaker 1: one pm Eastern, we will be recapping last night's episode, 51 00:02:52,040 --> 00:02:54,400 Speaker 1: episode two, and it was a doozy. It was a 52 00:02:54,440 --> 00:02:56,760 Speaker 1: great episode. I thought this was like ten times better 53 00:02:56,800 --> 00:02:59,920 Speaker 1: than the first episode. So I'll break it down with TK, 54 00:03:00,160 --> 00:03:04,160 Speaker 1: with JD and our guy Esh helping us produce that one. 55 00:03:04,320 --> 00:03:05,120 Speaker 3: At least I think he is. 56 00:03:05,120 --> 00:03:08,280 Speaker 1: He's coming out okay, great, but that's later today to 57 00:03:08,800 --> 00:03:12,160 Speaker 1: this no Dungspod. We got a fun NBA angle that 58 00:03:12,240 --> 00:03:13,560 Speaker 1: our guy TK came up with. 59 00:03:13,720 --> 00:03:16,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, big trade last week's Skeinz. You hear about it. 60 00:03:16,120 --> 00:03:18,400 Speaker 3: I did, Damian Lillard, he's on the Milwaukee Bucks. 61 00:03:18,440 --> 00:03:18,560 Speaker 4: Now. 62 00:03:18,919 --> 00:03:21,880 Speaker 3: Got people talking about the best duos in the NBA, 63 00:03:22,919 --> 00:03:24,960 Speaker 3: So we went through and picked out duos for every 64 00:03:25,000 --> 00:03:26,600 Speaker 3: team in the NBA, and we're gonna rank all of 65 00:03:26,639 --> 00:03:30,880 Speaker 3: them here alphabetically. I suppose, how do you organize things 66 00:03:30,919 --> 00:03:34,040 Speaker 3: when you're organizing an entire league? Do you do it alphabetically? 67 00:03:34,240 --> 00:03:36,680 Speaker 3: Because I always end up doing it alphabetically by conference 68 00:03:37,080 --> 00:03:37,680 Speaker 3: by conference? 69 00:03:37,880 --> 00:03:40,080 Speaker 1: Okay, conference, Well, we got a lot of duos to 70 00:03:40,160 --> 00:03:42,200 Speaker 1: rank here. We're gonna fire up the tear maker. So 71 00:03:42,400 --> 00:03:44,960 Speaker 1: are we doing Eastern Conference teams first, take a break 72 00:03:45,000 --> 00:03:45,520 Speaker 1: to the West. 73 00:03:45,760 --> 00:03:48,000 Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, that's how we're gonna do it. Because when 74 00:03:48,040 --> 00:03:50,840 Speaker 3: I anytime I'm getting ready to do an entire league 75 00:03:50,840 --> 00:03:54,360 Speaker 3: wide thing, I just go to Basketball Reference and sort alphabetically. Yeah, 76 00:03:54,520 --> 00:03:56,800 Speaker 3: kind of like all of them are in the Eastern Conference. 77 00:03:57,120 --> 00:03:59,320 Speaker 3: We got to get like a team out in Albuquerque, 78 00:03:59,400 --> 00:04:03,320 Speaker 3: New Mexico, just so that they can compete Hawks. You 79 00:04:03,320 --> 00:04:04,880 Speaker 3: know what I'm saying. It's like we got a lot 80 00:04:04,880 --> 00:04:07,240 Speaker 3: of Eastern Conference teams first before we finally get to 81 00:04:07,240 --> 00:04:10,320 Speaker 3: the Dallas Mavericks. Nonetheless, we are going to be ranking 82 00:04:10,400 --> 00:04:14,200 Speaker 3: the duos alphabetically by conference, Eastern Conference first, because of 83 00:04:14,240 --> 00:04:17,000 Speaker 3: time zones. I would say, keep in mind for this 84 00:04:17,080 --> 00:04:20,040 Speaker 3: ranking skates for this season. We're talking about heading into 85 00:04:20,040 --> 00:04:22,720 Speaker 3: this season, So there are some younger duos here who 86 00:04:22,720 --> 00:04:24,840 Speaker 3: if you look at it, five years from now. This 87 00:04:24,880 --> 00:04:27,920 Speaker 3: is the duo you want, right compared to some teams 88 00:04:27,960 --> 00:04:29,800 Speaker 3: who are probably in their prime right now. You can 89 00:04:29,880 --> 00:04:33,200 Speaker 3: consider past success, you can project a little into the future. 90 00:04:33,200 --> 00:04:35,640 Speaker 3: But I would say, like twelve months from now, and 91 00:04:35,640 --> 00:04:37,840 Speaker 3: I don't know about you, Skats, but if you've won 92 00:04:37,839 --> 00:04:40,640 Speaker 3: a championship together, that puts you pretty far ahead in 93 00:04:40,680 --> 00:04:41,000 Speaker 3: my book. 94 00:04:41,040 --> 00:04:43,839 Speaker 1: Okay, okay, And you, for the most part, had final 95 00:04:43,880 --> 00:04:46,919 Speaker 1: say on the actual duos selected. We had a little 96 00:04:46,960 --> 00:04:48,720 Speaker 1: back and forth with some of the teams in our 97 00:04:48,760 --> 00:04:49,640 Speaker 1: slack channel. 98 00:04:49,400 --> 00:04:51,479 Speaker 3: A couple controversial duos, but you had. 99 00:04:51,279 --> 00:04:53,280 Speaker 1: The final say, and I think that'll be half the 100 00:04:53,320 --> 00:04:54,520 Speaker 1: fun here. All right, Well, we got a lot of 101 00:04:54,520 --> 00:04:55,760 Speaker 1: teams here to rank. 102 00:04:56,240 --> 00:04:59,080 Speaker 3: Let's get to it first. One. We're starting here alphabetically 103 00:04:59,120 --> 00:05:02,719 Speaker 3: first and for in our city, the Atlanta Hawks, pretty 104 00:05:02,720 --> 00:05:04,240 Speaker 3: easy to do. Have a pick here, Trey Young and 105 00:05:04,240 --> 00:05:07,320 Speaker 3: Dejonte Murray. They played one season together, went to the 106 00:05:07,320 --> 00:05:10,480 Speaker 3: playoffs and did not win in the playoffs. But what 107 00:05:10,520 --> 00:05:12,760 Speaker 3: are you think about year two? We're gonna rank these 108 00:05:12,960 --> 00:05:16,120 Speaker 3: on the tier maker, SA, B, C, and D. Where 109 00:05:16,120 --> 00:05:16,839 Speaker 3: do you see the Hawks? 110 00:05:16,880 --> 00:05:19,039 Speaker 1: I'll say, right now, right from the jump here, I 111 00:05:19,040 --> 00:05:20,720 Speaker 1: feel like there might be a lot of placing a 112 00:05:20,839 --> 00:05:23,640 Speaker 1: duo's and then as we get to other duos and 113 00:05:23,680 --> 00:05:26,720 Speaker 1: other teams, we might have to do some reshuffling. Sure, 114 00:05:26,760 --> 00:05:28,440 Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like, I agree because like 115 00:05:29,160 --> 00:05:30,880 Speaker 1: my gut, right now, they're not S tier. 116 00:05:31,080 --> 00:05:34,160 Speaker 3: No no, no no, and I and. 117 00:05:34,120 --> 00:05:36,080 Speaker 1: I hesitate to put them in the A tier, but 118 00:05:36,160 --> 00:05:38,000 Speaker 1: I don't know for sure until we look at all 119 00:05:38,000 --> 00:05:40,040 Speaker 1: thirty duos. So right now, I would say put them 120 00:05:40,040 --> 00:05:40,560 Speaker 1: in the B tier. 121 00:05:40,760 --> 00:05:44,320 Speaker 3: I would have to agree. They're a tentative B tier 122 00:05:44,800 --> 00:05:47,000 Speaker 3: right now. I mean, they're both all star level players 123 00:05:47,000 --> 00:05:51,000 Speaker 3: but didn't make the game last year. Should they be 124 00:05:51,040 --> 00:05:53,120 Speaker 3: better in their second year together? I would think so. 125 00:05:53,200 --> 00:05:55,680 Speaker 3: I think that like in a perfect world, in a 126 00:05:55,720 --> 00:05:57,920 Speaker 3: perfect Hawks season, they end up on the A tier. 127 00:05:57,920 --> 00:06:00,159 Speaker 3: I don't think you're putting them at the top the 128 00:06:00,160 --> 00:06:02,480 Speaker 3: pops with like I mean, surely we'll have Jokich and 129 00:06:02,560 --> 00:06:04,839 Speaker 3: Murray getting to the S tier or something like that. 130 00:06:04,880 --> 00:06:07,600 Speaker 3: I don't think they're on that level. But you can 131 00:06:08,080 --> 00:06:10,640 Speaker 3: foresee a world where there are two Hawks All stars 132 00:06:10,640 --> 00:06:13,400 Speaker 3: and it's Dejahn, Murray and Trey Young. So tentatively we're 133 00:06:13,400 --> 00:06:14,200 Speaker 3: gonna go with the B tire. 134 00:06:14,400 --> 00:06:16,400 Speaker 1: And how much do you care when it comes to 135 00:06:16,440 --> 00:06:19,760 Speaker 1: duos of like the players, like I guess the best 136 00:06:19,760 --> 00:06:21,560 Speaker 1: way to put it like complimenting each other. So a 137 00:06:21,600 --> 00:06:23,640 Speaker 1: small and a big, or an offensive guy and a 138 00:06:23,680 --> 00:06:26,520 Speaker 1: defensive guy, Like, do you care at all about that? 139 00:06:27,200 --> 00:06:28,200 Speaker 1: You take it into consideration. 140 00:06:28,279 --> 00:06:30,120 Speaker 3: I mean, I take it into consideration. I would like 141 00:06:30,200 --> 00:06:33,080 Speaker 3: them to compliment each other like they're like you're saying, 142 00:06:33,080 --> 00:06:35,120 Speaker 3: I don't want them taken away from each other. But 143 00:06:35,160 --> 00:06:36,960 Speaker 3: does it have to be as small and a big No, 144 00:06:37,080 --> 00:06:38,880 Speaker 3: I don't think so. Does it have to be all 145 00:06:38,960 --> 00:06:41,920 Speaker 3: offense or one of each I don't think so. As 146 00:06:41,920 --> 00:06:43,000 Speaker 3: long as they make sense together. 147 00:06:43,080 --> 00:06:44,880 Speaker 1: Okay, And I will keep my eye on the stream 148 00:06:44,920 --> 00:06:46,800 Speaker 1: team here again, shout out to everybody joining us live 149 00:06:46,839 --> 00:06:48,600 Speaker 1: on YouTube. A lot of people seem to be agreeing 150 00:06:48,600 --> 00:06:51,240 Speaker 1: with a B. Some votes for a C, but let's 151 00:06:51,240 --> 00:06:51,560 Speaker 1: go with that. 152 00:06:51,839 --> 00:06:54,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, Well, Trey Jung is gonna go down as one 153 00:06:54,400 --> 00:06:56,680 Speaker 3: of the more underrated players heading into the season if 154 00:06:56,680 --> 00:06:58,000 Speaker 3: we get to that kind of question. So I'm not 155 00:06:58,040 --> 00:07:00,000 Speaker 3: surprised to hear some people talking about the Seeds here. 156 00:06:59,800 --> 00:07:02,280 Speaker 3: But we're going to B to start things off, and 157 00:07:02,400 --> 00:07:04,400 Speaker 3: we're going with B for our second team here. The 158 00:07:04,400 --> 00:07:06,680 Speaker 3: Boston Celtics. This is a team who has had a 159 00:07:06,760 --> 00:07:09,840 Speaker 3: duo together for quite some time. Jason Tatum and Jalen Brown, 160 00:07:10,000 --> 00:07:12,920 Speaker 3: both reigning All NBA ers. Yeah, which is pretty cool. 161 00:07:12,960 --> 00:07:15,920 Speaker 3: They've made the finals once together, four conference finals together. 162 00:07:16,200 --> 00:07:20,480 Speaker 3: They've played their entire careers, you know, basically since Tatum 163 00:07:20,520 --> 00:07:22,960 Speaker 3: showed up. So this to me is at the very 164 00:07:23,040 --> 00:07:23,760 Speaker 3: least A tier. 165 00:07:24,480 --> 00:07:27,560 Speaker 1: It's a or are we putting them in the S tier? 166 00:07:28,080 --> 00:07:29,880 Speaker 1: And the only reason we wouldn't be putting them there 167 00:07:29,880 --> 00:07:30,960 Speaker 1: is because they don't have a championship. 168 00:07:31,000 --> 00:07:32,760 Speaker 3: They don't have a championship, But I do think they're 169 00:07:32,760 --> 00:07:35,800 Speaker 3: one of the best duos in the game. So it's a. 170 00:07:38,240 --> 00:07:40,240 Speaker 1: Let's go A right now, Let's go A right now. 171 00:07:40,320 --> 00:07:41,880 Speaker 3: I think put them in the A tier until we 172 00:07:41,920 --> 00:07:44,440 Speaker 3: start seeing what the S tier is really looking like here. 173 00:07:44,480 --> 00:07:47,600 Speaker 3: And I mean, I'm not going to do this intentionally, skeets, 174 00:07:47,640 --> 00:07:49,200 Speaker 3: but it would be nice to look at our final 175 00:07:49,240 --> 00:07:50,880 Speaker 3: tier and have a bit of a bell curve here 176 00:07:50,960 --> 00:07:52,520 Speaker 3: right where you're like, not a lot in the S, 177 00:07:52,640 --> 00:07:53,360 Speaker 3: not a lot in the D. 178 00:07:54,200 --> 00:07:55,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I agree with that. 179 00:07:55,680 --> 00:07:58,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, so we'll see how the S and the D 180 00:07:58,800 --> 00:08:02,800 Speaker 3: go here. Okay, the Brooklyn Nets. This is one of 181 00:08:02,800 --> 00:08:05,600 Speaker 3: our tougher picks for a duo here because we locked 182 00:08:05,600 --> 00:08:07,440 Speaker 3: in Michale Bridges. We knew that one right away. But 183 00:08:07,520 --> 00:08:09,640 Speaker 3: then I sent to you skeets question mark, question mark, 184 00:08:09,720 --> 00:08:12,920 Speaker 3: question mark, who was the second player in the duo 185 00:08:13,280 --> 00:08:15,200 Speaker 3: with Michale Bridges. You said, Ben Simmons. 186 00:08:15,200 --> 00:08:17,760 Speaker 1: I think it's Ben Simmons. I do, and I know 187 00:08:17,880 --> 00:08:21,080 Speaker 1: that's a controversial take, but I'm also ready to like 188 00:08:21,120 --> 00:08:23,280 Speaker 1: plant my flag on Ben Simmons Island. 189 00:08:23,360 --> 00:08:24,760 Speaker 3: You're in, I'm gone. 190 00:08:25,040 --> 00:08:26,240 Speaker 1: I have gone. I don't know if I was ever 191 00:08:26,320 --> 00:08:27,840 Speaker 1: on the island, but I have made my way to 192 00:08:27,920 --> 00:08:31,040 Speaker 1: the Ben Simmons Island. I believe, God damn. 193 00:08:30,760 --> 00:08:33,560 Speaker 3: It, you believe Ben hit ten straight free throws? Oh yeah, 194 00:08:33,720 --> 00:08:34,319 Speaker 3: looking nice? 195 00:08:34,480 --> 00:08:37,760 Speaker 1: Yeah. Look, I believe in him being a competent player. 196 00:08:37,800 --> 00:08:39,760 Speaker 1: I actually believe in him playing and maybe being healthy 197 00:08:39,800 --> 00:08:42,240 Speaker 1: with the back issue. I mean, will he be an 198 00:08:42,280 --> 00:08:44,640 Speaker 1: All Star again? I don't know, but he's going to 199 00:08:44,679 --> 00:08:47,080 Speaker 1: be an above average player this year, and I think 200 00:08:47,080 --> 00:08:49,200 Speaker 1: he would be the partner to put with mckail Bridges. 201 00:08:49,200 --> 00:08:50,800 Speaker 1: But you went with we went. 202 00:08:50,640 --> 00:08:52,560 Speaker 3: With Cam Johnson. But it's not like there's a graphic 203 00:08:52,640 --> 00:08:53,080 Speaker 3: or anything. 204 00:08:53,120 --> 00:08:53,680 Speaker 1: No, that's true. 205 00:08:53,720 --> 00:08:55,240 Speaker 3: You know, if you want to slot him in, I'm 206 00:08:55,240 --> 00:08:57,679 Speaker 3: happy to sub in at Simmons here. I only went 207 00:08:57,720 --> 00:09:00,280 Speaker 3: with McHale Bridges and Cam Johnson cause like they call 208 00:09:00,320 --> 00:09:02,280 Speaker 3: each other twin. You know, they've been together for a 209 00:09:02,320 --> 00:09:05,720 Speaker 3: long time, coming over from Phoenix. They made the finals together. 210 00:09:05,840 --> 00:09:08,720 Speaker 3: Weird to say U Nkale and Cam they played together 211 00:09:08,760 --> 00:09:12,240 Speaker 3: on Team USA. But I mean, certainly Ben Simmons is 212 00:09:12,400 --> 00:09:14,480 Speaker 3: the news here. Name you as a lot of in skeets. 213 00:09:14,600 --> 00:09:17,400 Speaker 1: Well, I got rap Stallion saying my Ben Simmons island 214 00:09:17,440 --> 00:09:19,640 Speaker 1: is under ten feet of water right now, so okay, 215 00:09:19,760 --> 00:09:22,960 Speaker 1: I can swim, I can tread water for a little bit. Yeah. 216 00:09:23,040 --> 00:09:26,640 Speaker 1: I was going to say, taking Ben Simmons, let's say 217 00:09:26,640 --> 00:09:29,280 Speaker 1: off this hypothetical duel and replacing with Cam Johnson or 218 00:09:29,360 --> 00:09:31,160 Speaker 1: vice versa, does it really change anything? 219 00:09:31,200 --> 00:09:31,760 Speaker 3: Probably not. 220 00:09:31,920 --> 00:09:35,240 Speaker 1: It probably doesn't. So let's go with Cam. Let's go 221 00:09:35,280 --> 00:09:39,040 Speaker 1: with the twins mkil Bridges and Cam Johnson. May. I 222 00:09:39,160 --> 00:09:42,800 Speaker 1: love mckil bridges, but this feels in the landscape of 223 00:09:42,800 --> 00:09:43,800 Speaker 1: the NBA probably like a C. 224 00:09:44,080 --> 00:09:47,640 Speaker 3: Yeah. I agree. I think that you would probably like 225 00:09:47,760 --> 00:09:51,040 Speaker 3: to upgrade your number one in the option here being 226 00:09:51,120 --> 00:09:53,760 Speaker 3: Michale Bridges. We're gonna see a lot of superstar number 227 00:09:53,800 --> 00:09:55,800 Speaker 3: one options. He's a great player, but he's not quite 228 00:09:55,880 --> 00:09:59,240 Speaker 3: superstar level. And then if he is the number two, 229 00:09:59,440 --> 00:10:01,120 Speaker 3: he replaces a Cam Johnson. So I'm with you. I 230 00:10:01,160 --> 00:10:02,559 Speaker 3: think this is a c tire right now. 231 00:10:02,640 --> 00:10:05,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's like a type thing. 232 00:10:05,520 --> 00:10:09,120 Speaker 3: So yeah, maybe just an extra credit. Yeah yeah, raised 233 00:10:09,160 --> 00:10:13,160 Speaker 3: that grade. Write an essay about the impact of Barclay 234 00:10:13,240 --> 00:10:17,319 Speaker 3: Center in the Brooklyn Borough or something like that. Our 235 00:10:17,360 --> 00:10:20,400 Speaker 3: next duo the Zach Lavine and Demart Rosen in the 236 00:10:20,520 --> 00:10:22,840 Speaker 3: Chicago Bulls. You ever heard of them? They're both all stars. 237 00:10:23,360 --> 00:10:26,520 Speaker 3: They made the playoffs together, they made the play in together. 238 00:10:28,720 --> 00:10:32,160 Speaker 3: It hasn't necessarily gone well after that, but these are 239 00:10:32,160 --> 00:10:34,000 Speaker 3: two all star level talents here skeets. 240 00:10:34,760 --> 00:10:37,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, they are. I wish it was DeRozan and DeRozan's 241 00:10:37,320 --> 00:10:43,560 Speaker 1: daughter as the due Damar and d Are. Yeah, okay 242 00:10:43,600 --> 00:10:47,080 Speaker 1: this I mean again, it's it's probably be I think 243 00:10:47,120 --> 00:10:50,199 Speaker 1: so too. Yeah, yeah, like you're taking this duel over 244 00:10:50,280 --> 00:10:52,080 Speaker 1: Mckillbridges and Cam John's Oh definitely. 245 00:10:52,320 --> 00:10:54,120 Speaker 3: Yeah. So, I mean, both of these can be all 246 00:10:54,120 --> 00:10:56,679 Speaker 3: stars in any given season. Damorrow has been an All 247 00:10:56,679 --> 00:10:58,480 Speaker 3: star of the past two seasons. Levine was an All 248 00:10:58,480 --> 00:11:00,800 Speaker 3: Star the two previous seasons. They had that one year 249 00:11:01,080 --> 00:11:03,880 Speaker 3: of crossover where they both made it. But they're all 250 00:11:04,080 --> 00:11:05,920 Speaker 3: much like the Atlanta Hawks. To me, it's like, if 251 00:11:05,960 --> 00:11:09,040 Speaker 3: things go perfectly, they both make the All Star team 252 00:11:09,240 --> 00:11:10,280 Speaker 3: and you're like a sixth seed. 253 00:11:10,400 --> 00:11:13,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, so it's weird. Though, after I said I would 254 00:11:13,240 --> 00:11:16,480 Speaker 1: take the Bulls due over the nets, do I mean 255 00:11:16,520 --> 00:11:17,920 Speaker 1: the flip side of that is, I think I would 256 00:11:17,920 --> 00:11:21,560 Speaker 1: prefer mckill Bridges as the one player I would have 257 00:11:21,600 --> 00:11:23,440 Speaker 1: at this current point of their careers. 258 00:11:23,880 --> 00:11:26,040 Speaker 3: No way, any team. Yeah, deroze it. 259 00:11:26,120 --> 00:11:27,600 Speaker 1: Oh, I mean I love the defense that I get 260 00:11:27,600 --> 00:11:28,480 Speaker 1: from the Kellber's okay, but. 261 00:11:28,559 --> 00:11:30,400 Speaker 3: Keil Bridge just plays the defense. And Zach Lavine is 262 00:11:30,400 --> 00:11:33,080 Speaker 3: crazy underrated. His percentages were incredible last year the second 263 00:11:33,080 --> 00:11:34,920 Speaker 3: half of the season once he came back twenty seven 264 00:11:34,960 --> 00:11:38,520 Speaker 3: a game on like forty fifty, forty ninety almost is ballin'. Okay, 265 00:11:38,559 --> 00:11:40,240 Speaker 3: So they're they're there with the Hawks. Oh yeah, I 266 00:11:40,280 --> 00:11:43,560 Speaker 3: think they're there with the Hawks. That makes sense. Surely 267 00:11:43,559 --> 00:11:46,360 Speaker 3: the Raptors will somehow get in there as well. Here's 268 00:11:46,440 --> 00:11:50,599 Speaker 3: one that's confusing to me. Cho for Charlotte Hornets should be. 269 00:11:51,559 --> 00:11:54,120 Speaker 3: But I think it's a remnant of the Bobcats era 270 00:11:54,600 --> 00:11:57,280 Speaker 3: that it's an oh on basketball references out of the 271 00:11:57,320 --> 00:12:01,000 Speaker 3: a Really Yeah, that's that's my theory. Anyways, this is 272 00:12:01,000 --> 00:12:02,800 Speaker 3: one of the few duos that has not played a 273 00:12:02,840 --> 00:12:06,160 Speaker 3: game yet together, LaMelo Ball and Brandon Miller their number 274 00:12:06,160 --> 00:12:07,360 Speaker 3: two draft pick, the rookie. 275 00:12:07,520 --> 00:12:09,440 Speaker 1: Yeah. This was also like, who do you go with 276 00:12:09,480 --> 00:12:10,280 Speaker 1: as the second guy? 277 00:12:10,400 --> 00:12:10,600 Speaker 3: Yeah? 278 00:12:10,640 --> 00:12:13,319 Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, I mean, you go, Terry Rozier has 279 00:12:13,360 --> 00:12:16,640 Speaker 1: been there a while, You go, Gordon Hayward's haircut. 280 00:12:17,040 --> 00:12:20,079 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, it's gets highly paid, it gets you 281 00:12:20,160 --> 00:12:21,880 Speaker 3: got a player back this year who scored a lot 282 00:12:21,920 --> 00:12:23,640 Speaker 3: of points, but I don't want him on our duo list, 283 00:12:23,640 --> 00:12:24,679 Speaker 3: if I'm being quite honest. 284 00:12:24,720 --> 00:12:26,959 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, so LaMelo. 285 00:12:26,600 --> 00:12:29,400 Speaker 3: And Brandon Miller are the guys I'm excited to at 286 00:12:29,440 --> 00:12:30,439 Speaker 3: least see him play together. 287 00:12:31,200 --> 00:12:33,680 Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. I think Zach Low has an article up 288 00:12:33,720 --> 00:12:36,160 Speaker 1: on ESPN having LaMelo as one of like the sort 289 00:12:36,200 --> 00:12:40,719 Speaker 1: of key players to this season. Yep, but I've got 290 00:12:40,720 --> 00:12:43,640 Speaker 1: them low here on our list. We don't even know 291 00:12:43,679 --> 00:12:44,960 Speaker 1: what to expect from the rook. 292 00:12:45,040 --> 00:12:47,080 Speaker 3: We don't know what to expect from the rook LaMelo 293 00:12:47,240 --> 00:12:50,520 Speaker 3: was hurt a lot last season at thirty something games. 294 00:12:51,600 --> 00:12:53,600 Speaker 1: I don't want to upset the Hornets fans, all eight 295 00:12:53,640 --> 00:12:54,920 Speaker 1: of them out there, but I think this has to 296 00:12:54,960 --> 00:12:55,720 Speaker 1: be a D duo. 297 00:12:56,280 --> 00:12:57,480 Speaker 3: We got to put him in the D. I think 298 00:12:57,480 --> 00:12:59,959 Speaker 3: for now, somebody's gonna have to be in the D two, 299 00:13:00,400 --> 00:13:05,720 Speaker 3: and unfortunately for Chris Littman, apparently it's gonna be the 300 00:13:05,840 --> 00:13:06,720 Speaker 3: Charlotte Hornets. 301 00:13:07,559 --> 00:13:08,920 Speaker 1: Well lights out there on that one. 302 00:13:09,040 --> 00:13:10,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, that was a very somber tone we had to 303 00:13:10,720 --> 00:13:13,160 Speaker 3: take for the Charlotte Hornets, and that's okay. They're in 304 00:13:13,240 --> 00:13:16,360 Speaker 3: the D tier and we're back here. Moving on to 305 00:13:16,400 --> 00:13:19,280 Speaker 3: the Cleveland Cavaliers. This was another one where you're locking 306 00:13:19,360 --> 00:13:22,760 Speaker 3: in Donovan Mitchell as the first part of the duo, 307 00:13:23,040 --> 00:13:25,439 Speaker 3: and then I sent you a question mark. So we 308 00:13:25,520 --> 00:13:29,040 Speaker 3: had three choices basically Darius Garland, Evan Mobley, and Jared Allen. 309 00:13:29,080 --> 00:13:31,040 Speaker 3: I think Jared Allen probably comes in third there. But 310 00:13:31,840 --> 00:13:33,880 Speaker 3: you're talking about is it gonna be a mix of 311 00:13:33,880 --> 00:13:36,960 Speaker 3: offense and defense complimenting each other or not. We end 312 00:13:37,040 --> 00:13:38,640 Speaker 3: up going with Mitchell and Garland. 313 00:13:38,720 --> 00:13:42,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean an all star level guy. Yeah, in Garland. 314 00:13:42,960 --> 00:13:49,160 Speaker 1: I find this one very difficult. It's probably wow, man, 315 00:13:49,280 --> 00:13:51,520 Speaker 1: I don't know it. I can be convinced it's AB 316 00:13:51,720 --> 00:13:53,640 Speaker 1: or C, but I'll probably just go to the middle. 317 00:13:53,640 --> 00:13:55,880 Speaker 1: Then I guess I think you're right. I think it 318 00:13:55,920 --> 00:13:57,959 Speaker 1: goes in the middle, and you're right. It could go 319 00:13:58,000 --> 00:13:59,880 Speaker 1: either way. Like a great season, they could both make 320 00:13:59,920 --> 00:14:02,200 Speaker 1: the All Star team. They could both end up eight tier. 321 00:14:02,200 --> 00:14:03,960 Speaker 1: I think they both went over fifty plus in the 322 00:14:04,000 --> 00:14:07,640 Speaker 1: game last year. We said that on our predictions podcast, 323 00:14:07,720 --> 00:14:09,719 Speaker 1: right that Garland did it, and we know Mitchell went 324 00:14:09,720 --> 00:14:13,240 Speaker 1: for seventy one. So yeah, I'm happy, hoppy happy sloting 325 00:14:13,240 --> 00:14:16,800 Speaker 1: them in here as a B tier duo. But like 326 00:14:16,960 --> 00:14:18,880 Speaker 1: if I was looking here, if we were gonna sort 327 00:14:18,920 --> 00:14:21,760 Speaker 1: within the tiers, I would probably have them ahead of 328 00:14:21,760 --> 00:14:22,080 Speaker 1: the Bulls. 329 00:14:22,120 --> 00:14:23,400 Speaker 3: I think I like that and the Hawks. 330 00:14:23,440 --> 00:14:25,520 Speaker 1: Okay, well I like that little rinko. We're gonna sort 331 00:14:25,520 --> 00:14:25,640 Speaker 1: with you. 332 00:14:25,760 --> 00:14:27,840 Speaker 3: Why guys, why not? We love sorting and ranking. 333 00:14:27,880 --> 00:14:29,960 Speaker 1: Didn't know that was even an option on this tear maker. 334 00:14:30,080 --> 00:14:30,480 Speaker 3: Very cool. 335 00:14:30,640 --> 00:14:31,000 Speaker 1: Okay. 336 00:14:31,960 --> 00:14:35,640 Speaker 3: Another inexperienced duo coming in here, the Detroit Pistons Caid 337 00:14:35,640 --> 00:14:39,120 Speaker 3: Cunningham and Jade and Ivy. They played eleven games together 338 00:14:39,560 --> 00:14:42,600 Speaker 3: last season, so they're basically. I mean it'll be Caid's 339 00:14:42,640 --> 00:14:44,640 Speaker 3: third season, but this is basically year two for both 340 00:14:44,680 --> 00:14:45,680 Speaker 3: of these guys together. 341 00:14:46,400 --> 00:14:48,720 Speaker 1: Holy man, I mean, it's your D. 342 00:14:49,160 --> 00:14:53,400 Speaker 3: It is it's D. It's gotta be D. They're prohibitively 343 00:14:54,080 --> 00:14:56,120 Speaker 3: in D tier right now. But I mean Caid was 344 00:14:56,160 --> 00:14:59,840 Speaker 3: apparently really great in practices against Team USA, which sounded 345 00:14:59,840 --> 00:15:01,560 Speaker 3: in rest of until you saw a Team USA play 346 00:15:01,600 --> 00:15:04,520 Speaker 3: against good competition. So I don't know where to put him. 347 00:15:04,520 --> 00:15:06,600 Speaker 3: I'll put him ahead. You have to put horns though, 348 00:15:06,640 --> 00:15:07,000 Speaker 3: for sure. 349 00:15:07,080 --> 00:15:08,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I think he got to do that. 350 00:15:08,680 --> 00:15:09,160 Speaker 3: There we go. 351 00:15:09,240 --> 00:15:11,720 Speaker 1: Okay, okay, well a lot of people in the stream team. 352 00:15:11,760 --> 00:15:13,760 Speaker 1: There's a lot of ce's for the Pistons there, so 353 00:15:13,800 --> 00:15:14,320 Speaker 1: maybe we have. 354 00:15:14,240 --> 00:15:15,400 Speaker 3: A lot of c's for the Pistons. 355 00:15:15,480 --> 00:15:19,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, yep. Why, I mean, I think the idea of 356 00:15:19,320 --> 00:15:22,640 Speaker 1: kid having a higher ceiling than some of these other guys. 357 00:15:22,680 --> 00:15:23,840 Speaker 1: The Lamillo was an All Star. 358 00:15:23,960 --> 00:15:26,320 Speaker 3: Kate does have a high ceiling, but he hasn't really 359 00:15:26,400 --> 00:15:27,120 Speaker 3: scratched it yet. 360 00:15:27,200 --> 00:15:28,760 Speaker 1: No, No, I mean a lot of this is because 361 00:15:28,760 --> 00:15:31,840 Speaker 1: he hasn't played. But hopefully, like you said, all those 362 00:15:32,600 --> 00:15:36,560 Speaker 1: those summer workouts against the Team USA, everybody's like talking 363 00:15:36,640 --> 00:15:38,640 Speaker 1: them up like, this guy's a star. If he plays, 364 00:15:38,680 --> 00:15:41,040 Speaker 1: I believe you will be. So this should be, you know, 365 00:15:41,080 --> 00:15:41,960 Speaker 1: hopefully up higher. 366 00:15:42,560 --> 00:15:44,480 Speaker 3: I guess there could be another guy in the duo too, 367 00:15:44,520 --> 00:15:47,480 Speaker 3: like Duran could be the guy. Yeah, great, great chemistry together, 368 00:15:47,520 --> 00:15:50,640 Speaker 3: but Ivy seems like the choice for right now. Moving 369 00:15:50,680 --> 00:15:53,600 Speaker 3: on to the Pacers, Tyre's Halliburton Miles Turner. This was 370 00:15:53,640 --> 00:15:55,840 Speaker 3: another question mark for you, Miles Turner as the guy, 371 00:15:55,920 --> 00:15:58,000 Speaker 3: but it makes sense. He's an established player. 372 00:15:58,480 --> 00:16:00,240 Speaker 1: It's like, who else would you go. It's a little 373 00:16:00,280 --> 00:16:02,640 Speaker 1: too early to go Benedict Math Math and I think 374 00:16:02,680 --> 00:16:05,800 Speaker 1: it's you can't really go buddy because he might be traded. 375 00:16:06,480 --> 00:16:08,480 Speaker 1: He might not, you know, obi Toppins there now, but 376 00:16:08,520 --> 00:16:10,440 Speaker 1: you're not putting him on a dual list. So yeah, 377 00:16:10,640 --> 00:16:13,200 Speaker 1: it's it's Turner, And you know, I like this one. 378 00:16:13,200 --> 00:16:15,280 Speaker 1: You got obviously the guy that leads basically the league 379 00:16:15,280 --> 00:16:17,000 Speaker 1: in where it does lead the league in a well 380 00:16:17,040 --> 00:16:18,920 Speaker 1: okay hard and technically led the league assist but you 381 00:16:18,960 --> 00:16:20,560 Speaker 1: know what I mean, Halliburton will be at the top 382 00:16:20,600 --> 00:16:22,560 Speaker 1: of the list, and then you've got a defensive minded 383 00:16:22,600 --> 00:16:28,080 Speaker 1: guy in Turner's still good at that position. Uh. I 384 00:16:28,120 --> 00:16:30,200 Speaker 1: hate to keep saying it, but it feels be to me. 385 00:16:30,320 --> 00:16:31,840 Speaker 1: I feel like you want to maybe go lower? Am 386 00:16:31,840 --> 00:16:32,360 Speaker 1: I crazy? 387 00:16:32,960 --> 00:16:34,400 Speaker 3: I would have him on the lower end of the 388 00:16:34,400 --> 00:16:36,040 Speaker 3: beach here, but I think they're there there. Could they 389 00:16:36,040 --> 00:16:39,560 Speaker 3: could easily have two category leaders like Halliburton could lead 390 00:16:39,560 --> 00:16:42,040 Speaker 3: the league and assists. Turner could lead the lead in blocks. 391 00:16:42,400 --> 00:16:44,800 Speaker 3: They pair pretty well together. Yeah, last season they played 392 00:16:44,800 --> 00:16:47,480 Speaker 3: forty eight games together, twenty six and twenty two. A 393 00:16:47,560 --> 00:16:50,640 Speaker 3: bit of a surprise team, catching people off guard, I think, 394 00:16:50,680 --> 00:16:53,000 Speaker 3: But still that was successful. And they do seem to 395 00:16:53,040 --> 00:16:55,480 Speaker 3: compliment each other. And basically as soon as Tyre's Halliburton 396 00:16:55,520 --> 00:16:58,880 Speaker 3: started balling out, the Pacers were like, maybe we shouldn't 397 00:16:58,880 --> 00:16:59,760 Speaker 3: actually trade Miles Toono. 398 00:16:59,840 --> 00:17:00,280 Speaker 1: Yeah. 399 00:17:00,360 --> 00:17:02,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, I tried to trade himself once. 400 00:17:02,680 --> 00:17:04,119 Speaker 1: That's a good point. I tried to get himself through 401 00:17:04,119 --> 00:17:04,600 Speaker 1: the Lakers. 402 00:17:04,920 --> 00:17:05,720 Speaker 3: I would trade for me. 403 00:17:05,880 --> 00:17:11,919 Speaker 1: Yeah, but I'm gonna go low B in our tier rankings. Okay, yeah, okay, yeah. 404 00:17:11,960 --> 00:17:14,640 Speaker 3: And Turner never an All Star, right, Halliburton one time 405 00:17:14,640 --> 00:17:16,359 Speaker 3: All Star last season, just signed that big deal. I 406 00:17:16,359 --> 00:17:18,520 Speaker 3: don't think Turner has made an All Star team. 407 00:17:18,280 --> 00:17:21,480 Speaker 1: I'm I'm high on the Pacers going into the season. Oh, definitely, Yeah, 408 00:17:21,520 --> 00:17:23,800 Speaker 1: so I think this is like, you know, clouding my 409 00:17:23,880 --> 00:17:25,560 Speaker 1: judgment a little bit here. There's a lot of bes 410 00:17:25,600 --> 00:17:27,399 Speaker 1: and c's in the stream team for this. I like 411 00:17:27,400 --> 00:17:29,680 Speaker 1: that squad which seems right a lot of like low b's, 412 00:17:29,760 --> 00:17:31,320 Speaker 1: like B minuses maybe C pluses. 413 00:17:31,800 --> 00:17:36,000 Speaker 3: Interesting one here, perhaps our first S tier duo, the 414 00:17:36,000 --> 00:17:39,400 Speaker 3: Miami Heats Jimmy Butler and Bam Auto Baio. Oh wow, 415 00:17:39,600 --> 00:17:44,480 Speaker 3: Jimmy Butler does have his haircut immediately after media day. Uh, basically, 416 00:17:44,560 --> 00:17:48,199 Speaker 3: so feel free to factor that into your calculation. Skeets 417 00:17:48,200 --> 00:17:50,879 Speaker 3: two finals together, three conference finals together. They were basically 418 00:17:50,880 --> 00:17:54,040 Speaker 3: one shot from making three finals in four years? Is 419 00:17:54,080 --> 00:17:56,160 Speaker 3: that good enough for them to be an S tier team? 420 00:17:56,640 --> 00:18:01,520 Speaker 1: Are they a better duo than Jalen Brown and Jason Tatum? 421 00:18:01,800 --> 00:18:04,520 Speaker 3: I mean, results would say yes. They do beat the 422 00:18:04,520 --> 00:18:06,320 Speaker 3: Celtics a lot except for that one. 423 00:18:06,359 --> 00:18:08,199 Speaker 1: Hear if you line those two doos up and you 424 00:18:08,280 --> 00:18:11,800 Speaker 1: had the start of a franchise in Plano, Illinois, and 425 00:18:11,840 --> 00:18:14,120 Speaker 1: you said, hey, pick which duo you want right now? 426 00:18:14,119 --> 00:18:16,359 Speaker 1: Because you said not pat like we're trying to like 427 00:18:16,680 --> 00:18:19,800 Speaker 1: sort of you know, this season, which one would you take? 428 00:18:19,800 --> 00:18:23,000 Speaker 1: You would take Bam and Butler over over the Jays. 429 00:18:24,160 --> 00:18:29,080 Speaker 3: I would. I would for this season. For this season. 430 00:18:29,119 --> 00:18:31,320 Speaker 3: I mean, when you're looking at the teams, obviously, the 431 00:18:31,320 --> 00:18:34,760 Speaker 3: Celtics are a far deeper team, but I don't know. 432 00:18:34,840 --> 00:18:37,520 Speaker 3: I mean, it's tough to in the regular season. I 433 00:18:37,560 --> 00:18:39,240 Speaker 3: think it's the Celtics. The Celtics are going to be 434 00:18:39,280 --> 00:18:42,080 Speaker 3: better than the Heat, but the Heat got that mental toughness. Man. 435 00:18:42,119 --> 00:18:45,440 Speaker 3: They got those atrocious Heat culture jerseys, but it says 436 00:18:45,440 --> 00:18:47,120 Speaker 3: it on the chest because that's how they play. 437 00:18:47,320 --> 00:18:49,840 Speaker 1: I think, oh yeah, those jerseys bad. 438 00:18:50,080 --> 00:18:52,320 Speaker 3: Oh they're bad. I'm glad those ones are so bad 439 00:18:52,320 --> 00:18:53,919 Speaker 3: that people aren't noticing how bad the Bulls are. 440 00:18:54,080 --> 00:18:57,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly anything yet. I mean the Raptors, the gold 441 00:18:57,480 --> 00:18:59,919 Speaker 1: ones suck too. What's going on? They have given up 442 00:19:00,080 --> 00:19:00,440 Speaker 1: over there. 443 00:19:00,720 --> 00:19:01,600 Speaker 3: Stop making new. 444 00:19:01,520 --> 00:19:03,800 Speaker 1: Jerseys if you have no other good ideas for jerseys. 445 00:19:03,920 --> 00:19:08,919 Speaker 1: Heat cultures garbage looking. I'm an eightier though, eightier with 446 00:19:08,960 --> 00:19:09,520 Speaker 1: the Heat. 447 00:19:09,320 --> 00:19:11,200 Speaker 3: All right, I haven't gotten over the hump yet. 448 00:19:11,400 --> 00:19:18,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean they're easy guy, EASSy, Okay now what okay, 449 00:19:18,920 --> 00:19:20,680 Speaker 1: it feels like you will Yeah, okay, look, hey, you 450 00:19:20,760 --> 00:19:23,119 Speaker 1: got final controls here, you got the Heat there above 451 00:19:23,119 --> 00:19:25,359 Speaker 1: the Celtics right now. But they're both in the same tier. 452 00:19:26,560 --> 00:19:28,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, those are good duos, what can you say? 453 00:19:28,640 --> 00:19:30,879 Speaker 3: And they both I think compliment each other well, but 454 00:19:30,960 --> 00:19:32,600 Speaker 3: in different ways. You know, you got the big and 455 00:19:32,680 --> 00:19:34,640 Speaker 3: the small, or at least the big in the wing 456 00:19:34,680 --> 00:19:37,160 Speaker 3: with the heat and a couple of highly sought after 457 00:19:37,200 --> 00:19:39,159 Speaker 3: wings in the Celtics. This one, I think is a 458 00:19:39,200 --> 00:19:43,240 Speaker 3: lock for our first s tier duo Jannisantachakumpo Damian Lillard. 459 00:19:43,800 --> 00:19:47,560 Speaker 3: They're both raining all NBA ors, but not together. They're 460 00:19:47,560 --> 00:19:49,679 Speaker 3: the only duo in the league where both guys averaged 461 00:19:49,720 --> 00:19:53,399 Speaker 3: thirty last year. Obviously, they didn't play together zero games together, 462 00:19:53,440 --> 00:19:55,879 Speaker 3: which is kind of funny, but man fourteen combined all 463 00:19:55,920 --> 00:19:58,320 Speaker 3: stars and all NBA selections between these two, this is 464 00:19:58,359 --> 00:19:58,960 Speaker 3: an easy s. 465 00:19:59,160 --> 00:20:02,199 Speaker 1: Two top seventy guys. Yeah. I mean, the only thing 466 00:20:02,280 --> 00:20:03,560 Speaker 1: of this is like we just haven't. 467 00:20:03,320 --> 00:20:05,080 Speaker 3: Seen them play together, but exactly right. 468 00:20:06,400 --> 00:20:08,639 Speaker 1: By all accounts coming out of camp, they're pretty pumped, 469 00:20:08,680 --> 00:20:09,600 Speaker 1: they're pretty excited. 470 00:20:09,760 --> 00:20:13,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, and there's no like question marks. Offensively, at least, 471 00:20:13,760 --> 00:20:16,119 Speaker 3: you're like they're gonna fit perfect feed together, especially with 472 00:20:16,119 --> 00:20:18,400 Speaker 3: the other guys that the Bucks have around them. It's 473 00:20:18,440 --> 00:20:21,000 Speaker 3: not like when you got like Wade and Lebron together 474 00:20:21,000 --> 00:20:22,639 Speaker 3: where you're like, Okay, one guy's gonna have to handle 475 00:20:22,680 --> 00:20:24,320 Speaker 3: the ball a lot more and one guy's gonna have 476 00:20:24,359 --> 00:20:26,280 Speaker 3: to take a back seat. You're just like, okay, just 477 00:20:26,320 --> 00:20:28,280 Speaker 3: go cook. So I think easy s tre for then 478 00:20:28,640 --> 00:20:31,160 Speaker 3: or for the Milwaukee Bucks. Please let's call them freak time, 479 00:20:31,440 --> 00:20:33,280 Speaker 3: freak time, freak time baby. 480 00:20:33,560 --> 00:20:35,000 Speaker 1: Okay, as no problem there. 481 00:20:34,960 --> 00:20:38,200 Speaker 3: All right, here's an interesting duo skeets the New York Knicks, 482 00:20:38,280 --> 00:20:43,000 Speaker 3: Jalen Brunson and Julius Randall. That's tough call. They were 483 00:20:43,040 --> 00:20:45,080 Speaker 3: thirty eight and twenty eight together. Last season. They were 484 00:20:45,080 --> 00:20:47,399 Speaker 3: six and four together in the playoffs. Even though it 485 00:20:47,400 --> 00:20:49,840 Speaker 3: felt like a disappointing ending to the next season, they 486 00:20:49,840 --> 00:20:52,960 Speaker 3: did upset the Calves. And you know, we talked about 487 00:20:53,000 --> 00:20:55,600 Speaker 3: both Brunson and Randall had really good cases to make 488 00:20:55,640 --> 00:20:58,480 Speaker 3: All Stars the season. They both had really good cases 489 00:20:58,480 --> 00:21:00,680 Speaker 3: to make All NBA at the end of the year. 490 00:21:01,480 --> 00:21:04,320 Speaker 3: I'm not sure where to fall here. I mean, they're 491 00:21:04,520 --> 00:21:06,520 Speaker 3: they're not a A tier, no if they're not or A, 492 00:21:06,680 --> 00:21:08,640 Speaker 3: but I think they're probably a B tire they are. 493 00:21:08,720 --> 00:21:10,239 Speaker 1: I know, we got a lot of duos there right now, 494 00:21:10,240 --> 00:21:12,159 Speaker 1: but they have to be in that tier with the Calves, 495 00:21:12,200 --> 00:21:16,680 Speaker 1: the Hawks, the Bulls, the Pacers, and they're probably ahead 496 00:21:16,680 --> 00:21:18,560 Speaker 1: of a couple of them, at least the Pacers. 497 00:21:18,560 --> 00:21:20,920 Speaker 3: I would say, yeah, I would have to. 498 00:21:21,080 --> 00:21:22,919 Speaker 1: I mean, they get like on for some reason, but 499 00:21:22,960 --> 00:21:26,240 Speaker 1: they are really really good. And uh, you know, I'm 500 00:21:26,280 --> 00:21:29,840 Speaker 1: a huge Bruntson fan. And you know Randall Luck He's 501 00:21:29,840 --> 00:21:31,760 Speaker 1: had a really good year, then had a really bad year, 502 00:21:31,760 --> 00:21:33,200 Speaker 1: and had really solid year again. 503 00:21:33,080 --> 00:21:35,760 Speaker 3: Like exactly, he had a huge bounce back year last year. 504 00:21:35,800 --> 00:21:37,679 Speaker 3: So two seasons ago he was giving thumbs down to 505 00:21:37,680 --> 00:21:39,840 Speaker 3: the Knicks fans and then he was like balling out 506 00:21:40,040 --> 00:21:41,959 Speaker 3: all NBA once again. Crazy stuff. 507 00:21:42,119 --> 00:21:44,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, people are sort of all over the map here, 508 00:21:44,320 --> 00:21:47,560 Speaker 1: some solid bs, some low bs, some c's. People want 509 00:21:47,600 --> 00:21:49,720 Speaker 1: to say they're a D tier, which I think is 510 00:21:49,760 --> 00:21:53,199 Speaker 1: not fair. Come come on. 511 00:21:54,280 --> 00:21:57,080 Speaker 3: So yeah, B, I'm happy with B. This is an 512 00:21:57,160 --> 00:22:00,320 Speaker 3: interesting one. I think the Orlando Magic Pala ban Caro 513 00:22:00,560 --> 00:22:03,600 Speaker 3: and Franz Wagner. They've played seventy one games together. Obviously, 514 00:22:03,680 --> 00:22:06,440 Speaker 3: Polo won Rookie of the Year last year, Franz balled 515 00:22:06,480 --> 00:22:11,040 Speaker 3: out in the World Cup for Germany this past summer. 516 00:22:11,119 --> 00:22:13,600 Speaker 3: They just haven't played a lot together. I think if 517 00:22:13,600 --> 00:22:16,840 Speaker 3: we're talking about this duo. Three years from now, they're 518 00:22:16,840 --> 00:22:20,960 Speaker 3: probably an E tier team. Yes, I'm gonna start the 519 00:22:20,960 --> 00:22:22,160 Speaker 3: bidding at a SEA tier here. 520 00:22:22,240 --> 00:22:26,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, see sea minimum minimum, Sea minimum. I think people 521 00:22:26,440 --> 00:22:28,320 Speaker 1: are going to want to put them even up a 522 00:22:28,400 --> 00:22:31,520 Speaker 1: higher tier because of the potential potential. But maybe we don't. 523 00:22:31,520 --> 00:22:35,600 Speaker 1: We're getting ahead of ourselves a little bit there. Then again, 524 00:22:35,640 --> 00:22:38,879 Speaker 1: would I rather have coming into this season Polo and 525 00:22:38,920 --> 00:22:43,280 Speaker 1: Franz more than let's say, Halliburton and Turner. 526 00:22:45,040 --> 00:22:47,280 Speaker 3: It's possible, It's very Possible's definitely possible. 527 00:22:47,880 --> 00:22:48,720 Speaker 1: But let's go see right now. 528 00:22:48,800 --> 00:22:49,879 Speaker 3: Let's go, let's go see right now. 529 00:22:49,920 --> 00:22:51,680 Speaker 1: We look, we can massage this, we can move things 530 00:22:51,680 --> 00:22:54,280 Speaker 1: around once we like, zoom out and see the whole picture. 531 00:22:54,320 --> 00:22:56,280 Speaker 3: What do you think compared to the Brooklyn Nets? 532 00:22:56,680 --> 00:23:02,480 Speaker 1: Oh wow? Is it controversial for me to say I'd 533 00:23:02,520 --> 00:23:05,480 Speaker 1: have them as a duo above the Nets. 534 00:23:05,520 --> 00:23:07,600 Speaker 3: I'm with you, I'm totally with you. I think both 535 00:23:07,600 --> 00:23:10,800 Speaker 3: of these I think Franz and Paolo could be number 536 00:23:10,800 --> 00:23:14,680 Speaker 3: one options on teams. Maybe Franz is more like a 537 00:23:14,760 --> 00:23:16,520 Speaker 3: one point five, which is where he kind of will 538 00:23:16,560 --> 00:23:20,760 Speaker 3: be for the Magic. Another weird one, skeets Joel Embiid 539 00:23:20,800 --> 00:23:24,720 Speaker 3: and Tyrese Maxi are our duo for the Philadelphia Noel Harden. 540 00:23:24,760 --> 00:23:25,800 Speaker 1: I thought you were team Harden. 541 00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:30,120 Speaker 3: I am Team Harden. I am Team Harden. We did 542 00:23:30,119 --> 00:23:32,400 Speaker 3: make the duos before Harden showed up at training camp, 543 00:23:32,400 --> 00:23:36,000 Speaker 3: and I gotta say, skeets, he was looking good. I 544 00:23:36,119 --> 00:23:39,000 Speaker 3: might be back. I might be back. I just need 545 00:23:39,040 --> 00:23:42,280 Speaker 3: to see one picture of James Harden looking in shape 546 00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:44,360 Speaker 3: at a training camp to be convinced he's gonna be good. 547 00:23:44,400 --> 00:23:46,119 Speaker 1: He let the leaget assesssed last year and there was 548 00:23:46,119 --> 00:23:48,000 Speaker 1: no fat suit to be seen. That's not sure but 549 00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:51,000 Speaker 1: drama but yeah, but still it's like we're hearing like 550 00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:53,240 Speaker 1: I don't want to play with this team. I don't 551 00:23:53,240 --> 00:23:54,440 Speaker 1: want to play for dyl Moury. 552 00:23:54,280 --> 00:23:56,919 Speaker 3: So we're going Maxie. I was surprised to see that 553 00:23:56,920 --> 00:23:59,080 Speaker 3: Embiid and Maxie have played one hundred and eighty four 554 00:23:59,119 --> 00:24:01,840 Speaker 3: games together. It's like the sixth most games that Embiid 555 00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:05,399 Speaker 3: has played with any teammate. Really, yeah, I mean Maxi 556 00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:08,240 Speaker 3: plays quite often, and these have been the healthiest years 557 00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:10,920 Speaker 3: of Embiid's career, so it makes sense. But that's surprising 558 00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:13,480 Speaker 3: me to see that they've already played together so often. Obviously, 559 00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:15,560 Speaker 3: Embide is the reigning MVP, so I mean that puts 560 00:24:15,560 --> 00:24:17,639 Speaker 3: this duo pretty high on the list. Yeah, where do 561 00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:20,840 Speaker 3: you start, though, I would start A and beats in 562 00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:23,760 Speaker 3: it beats the MVP. I mean, it didn't end well 563 00:24:23,840 --> 00:24:25,560 Speaker 3: in the playoffs. You know, he didn't really do much 564 00:24:25,600 --> 00:24:28,119 Speaker 3: in Games six and seven against the Celtics, so they 565 00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:30,840 Speaker 3: got to be behind the Celtics duo. To me, but 566 00:24:31,280 --> 00:24:34,240 Speaker 3: EMBIID is so good and Maxi is already a good 567 00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:36,280 Speaker 3: player and can take another leap forward that I'm happy 568 00:24:36,359 --> 00:24:39,960 Speaker 3: with them being our lowest ranked eighteen ranked. 569 00:24:39,760 --> 00:24:42,800 Speaker 1: Eighteen Okay, okay, yeah, I mean you can be all 570 00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:44,800 Speaker 1: here a case for a B if No, I mean 571 00:24:44,840 --> 00:24:46,880 Speaker 1: it's it's the Maxi part of this, of course, It's 572 00:24:46,960 --> 00:24:49,680 Speaker 1: less to do with EMBIID. It's it's, you know, we're 573 00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:52,359 Speaker 1: to have a like look at the other teams above 574 00:24:52,359 --> 00:24:55,200 Speaker 1: them or with them. I mean, these are other all star, 575 00:24:55,359 --> 00:24:58,440 Speaker 1: all NBA level guys with the main number one guy 576 00:24:58,520 --> 00:25:01,199 Speaker 1: and that's Max He's just not there yet, but I 577 00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:03,600 Speaker 1: mean you know he could be. So it's it's it's 578 00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:05,399 Speaker 1: low A or it's B. We got a lot in 579 00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:07,720 Speaker 1: the B right now. Let's let's put him at the end. 580 00:25:07,640 --> 00:25:09,040 Speaker 3: Of a Yeah, we got him at a low a 581 00:25:09,240 --> 00:25:09,600 Speaker 3: right now. 582 00:25:10,119 --> 00:25:12,800 Speaker 1: Somebody did say, I think it was Spooney, said MAXI 583 00:25:12,920 --> 00:25:15,160 Speaker 1: and embiid Monster NBA Jam team. 584 00:25:15,280 --> 00:25:17,359 Speaker 3: They would be a great NBA Jam team and he 585 00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:18,840 Speaker 3: it would be one of the best guys I think 586 00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:19,840 Speaker 3: in NBA Jam. 587 00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:23,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, so high, Yeah exactly. 588 00:25:24,320 --> 00:25:26,880 Speaker 3: I was playing last night at Savage Pizza NBA Jam. 589 00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:28,479 Speaker 3: Really game? What a game? Then? 590 00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:28,840 Speaker 1: Would you? 591 00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:29,040 Speaker 4: Uh? 592 00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:29,760 Speaker 1: What was your team? 593 00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:29,919 Speaker 4: Well? 594 00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:32,320 Speaker 3: I botched it here, skeets. I picked the Phoenix Suns. 595 00:25:32,800 --> 00:25:36,880 Speaker 3: Great choice, Yeah, Barkley Marley, but I picked second player, 596 00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:40,760 Speaker 3: so I had to be Dan Marley the whole time. Yeah, 597 00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:43,080 Speaker 3: I thought so too. Well, I didn't have the timing 598 00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:44,560 Speaker 3: down and the first time I shot a three, he 599 00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:47,159 Speaker 3: shot it left handed. I was like, what he switched 600 00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:47,880 Speaker 3: hands at some. 601 00:25:47,880 --> 00:25:52,360 Speaker 1: Point Maybe you put in an accidental code or that's 602 00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:53,040 Speaker 1: what happened. 603 00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:56,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, so yeah, you know, after one quarter I switched 604 00:25:56,560 --> 00:25:59,040 Speaker 3: the Turtles in time solid duo there as well. 605 00:25:59,119 --> 00:26:00,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's a good game there. 606 00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:02,240 Speaker 3: Who do you think the duo would be for the 607 00:26:02,359 --> 00:26:03,200 Speaker 3: Ninja Turtles. 608 00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:07,800 Speaker 1: Thought it would absolutely be Donna Tello, the true leader 609 00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:10,679 Speaker 1: of the Turtles. It's not Leonardo, but I would go 610 00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:13,360 Speaker 1: Leonardo as well. I think that is Leo and Dona Tello. Baby. 611 00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:16,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the key duo when it comes to the Turtles, 612 00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:19,680 Speaker 3: and you gotta give a shout out to their coach, 613 00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:20,439 Speaker 3: Master Splinter. 614 00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:21,400 Speaker 1: Oh yes, all right. 615 00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:24,600 Speaker 3: Moving on to actual teams, the Toronto Raptors, here's your 616 00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:27,960 Speaker 3: duo this season, Pascal Siakam and Scottie Barnes. Would have 617 00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:31,000 Speaker 3: been Siakam and Van Vliet any other prior season. But 618 00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:32,760 Speaker 3: Siacaman Barnes, where are you at with the skeets. 619 00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:33,320 Speaker 1: That's a bee. 620 00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:34,000 Speaker 3: That's a b job. 621 00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:37,400 Speaker 1: It's a be. It's a b and no, it has 622 00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:41,119 Speaker 1: to be Scam takes it to a bee. I almost said, see. 623 00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:44,320 Speaker 1: But I think the respect that he deserves, the level 624 00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:46,879 Speaker 1: that he does plan, he's really really good. So and 625 00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:50,600 Speaker 1: and Scotty Barnes a very disappointing sophomore season. You're gonna 626 00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:54,679 Speaker 1: hope for a different change, new obviously coached, new offensive philosophy. 627 00:26:54,760 --> 00:26:56,160 Speaker 1: It sounds like he is gonna have a chance out 628 00:26:56,160 --> 00:26:57,480 Speaker 1: of the Ballimore. So, I think this is a bee, 629 00:26:57,480 --> 00:26:59,359 Speaker 1: but I probably near the lower end of the bee. 630 00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:01,480 Speaker 3: I think this is a bee right now. So Come 631 00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:04,800 Speaker 3: is still like an All NBA player and can still 632 00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:07,080 Speaker 3: get to that level maybe you know, like probably third 633 00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:09,960 Speaker 3: team maybe second team at the most. And Barnes You're 634 00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:11,920 Speaker 3: just hoping he's more like he was in his rookie 635 00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:14,960 Speaker 3: year and empowered a little bit here to be a playmaker. 636 00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:16,040 Speaker 3: So I'm happy throwing Wow. 637 00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:17,600 Speaker 1: Hold on, I mean, a lot of people saying B 638 00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:20,520 Speaker 1: for bias here, be for bias. A lot of c's 639 00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:24,160 Speaker 1: being thrown around in the chat that maybe. 640 00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:26,240 Speaker 3: It was a it was a tough barn season here too. 641 00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:28,400 Speaker 1: That's the thing. That's the thing. If this is after 642 00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:30,840 Speaker 1: the rookie season, people are having no problem with this 643 00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:33,000 Speaker 1: particular tier B for the rapt. 644 00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:34,320 Speaker 3: But it is, I mean, he was bias. 645 00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:38,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, B for bias. They're at the bottom. Everybody relaxed. 646 00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:41,280 Speaker 1: See that comes incredible. You don't even watch Raptors teams. 647 00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:45,200 Speaker 1: You guys don't even know Homer Homer, Holy yeah, yeah, yeah. 648 00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:47,919 Speaker 3: B for bias. It's pretty funny. It's come up for 649 00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:50,119 Speaker 3: the rest of the season. That's a B for bias, 650 00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:53,720 Speaker 3: all right. Uh, the Washington Wizards, this is an S 651 00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:57,280 Speaker 3: tier duo entertainment wise, for me, Kyle Kuzman, Jordan Poole. 652 00:27:58,080 --> 00:28:01,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess that's who it would be. Wow. 653 00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:06,680 Speaker 3: Hey they both got titles. Man, they both got titles. 654 00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:11,560 Speaker 3: Zero game winners played together exactly, championship pedigree. 655 00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:13,399 Speaker 1: Ah mean it feels like a seed to me. 656 00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:16,760 Speaker 3: This has gotta be see. Yeah, yeah, this has gotta 657 00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:19,119 Speaker 3: be see. But I can't wait to see them on 658 00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:21,679 Speaker 3: the court together. They you know, they they just had 659 00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:26,480 Speaker 3: media day. They do that. They like the TikTok thing 660 00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:29,200 Speaker 3: where it's two guys looking into the camera and it's 661 00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:31,280 Speaker 3: got like a category at the top and you're supposed 662 00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:33,440 Speaker 3: to move your head one way or the other, like 663 00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:35,960 Speaker 3: who's the better playmaker, who's the better handles, who's the 664 00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:39,640 Speaker 3: better passer? And they both picked themselves for like every 665 00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:43,520 Speaker 3: single one. That was sick. It was so funny, Like 666 00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:45,640 Speaker 3: every time it's like who's the better score? Like me, 667 00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:49,280 Speaker 3: who's the better handles? Me, who's the better playmaker? That's me. 668 00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:53,400 Speaker 3: I wait to see these guys. Yeah, it was so funny. 669 00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:56,360 Speaker 3: They were like X for every single one. Great stuff 670 00:28:56,600 --> 00:28:59,400 Speaker 3: Kuzman pool. So yeah, they're in the seats here. Now, 671 00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:02,840 Speaker 3: what do you think compared to the Magic of the 672 00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:07,480 Speaker 3: and the nets below. I mean, yeah, honestly, probably sofortunate. 673 00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:09,760 Speaker 1: Yah, I think so. I think so. So let's see 674 00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:11,880 Speaker 1: the Eastern Conference JD. Throw it back up there if 675 00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:15,120 Speaker 1: you don't mind, because we got fifteen more teams to go. 676 00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:17,320 Speaker 1: That's the end of the East. But how do we 677 00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:18,080 Speaker 1: feel overall? 678 00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:20,480 Speaker 3: It looks like a bell curve. I'll say that, Yeah, 679 00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:21,760 Speaker 3: the results looks solid. 680 00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:22,960 Speaker 1: We've nailed that part. 681 00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:26,000 Speaker 3: And I do think that. You know, the one that 682 00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:28,240 Speaker 3: sticks out to me is the seventy six ers being 683 00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:31,440 Speaker 3: in the eightier but they have Embiid. Embiid is carrying 684 00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:34,520 Speaker 3: right there, and I mean that's probably where the line 685 00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:39,240 Speaker 3: is between Embiid Maxie and Mitchell Garland. Like, that's a 686 00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:39,640 Speaker 3: tough call. 687 00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:41,400 Speaker 1: I was trying to figure out by the end of 688 00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:44,000 Speaker 1: this which team will be the highest in terms of 689 00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:48,720 Speaker 1: their ranking to probably their actual record and how their 690 00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:51,160 Speaker 1: team does, because I mean, you could have an elite 691 00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:53,760 Speaker 1: duo or really good duo and still be a pretty 692 00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:56,640 Speaker 1: pispoor team. But I wonder who that'll be because, like 693 00:29:56,920 --> 00:29:58,480 Speaker 1: you know, for the most part, it feels like the 694 00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:01,000 Speaker 1: duos are matching sort of. How we the Yeah, total 695 00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:03,200 Speaker 1: actual squads, which makes sense. Yeah, but I guess if 696 00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:07,200 Speaker 1: you're like looking specifically records wise, it's unlikely that the 697 00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:09,200 Speaker 1: Heat would have the second best record in the Eastern 698 00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:11,040 Speaker 1: Conference at the end of the season. They finished with 699 00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:13,840 Speaker 1: the seventh best record at the end of it last year, right, 700 00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:15,800 Speaker 1: and then they ended up being the eight seed after. 701 00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:18,440 Speaker 3: The play in tournament went down. But we're definitely given 702 00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:21,320 Speaker 3: the Heat a postseason bump on the duo's list here, 703 00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:23,000 Speaker 3: But that's our Eastern Conference. We're going to take a 704 00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:25,480 Speaker 3: quick break here and we come back. We'll rank all 705 00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:28,560 Speaker 3: the duos in the Western Conference, all. 706 00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:31,720 Speaker 1: Right, Still here in the Classic Factory ranking the NBA's 707 00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:34,440 Speaker 1: best duos. We've done the Eastern Conference. We got fifty 708 00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:37,640 Speaker 1: teams in the West to do TK. You said it 709 00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:41,400 Speaker 1: off the top Dallas alphabetically, the first Western Conference team 710 00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:42,920 Speaker 1: took to the d's to get there. 711 00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:45,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, and Skeets. Apparently this may be our answer for 712 00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:48,560 Speaker 3: the team with the highest ranking duo, but maybe not 713 00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:51,000 Speaker 3: the record to follow along with it. Luka Dantets and 714 00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:54,760 Speaker 3: Kyrie Irving got together right at the end of last season, 715 00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:56,520 Speaker 3: tanked away the end of the year, finished with thirty 716 00:30:56,520 --> 00:30:59,760 Speaker 3: eight wins. But we're talking about two guys who are 717 00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:03,080 Speaker 3: four time All NBA. The Kyrie's last All NBA appearance 718 00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:05,040 Speaker 3: was in twenty twenty one. So were you slotting in 719 00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:06,200 Speaker 3: the MAVs. 720 00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:08,560 Speaker 1: I think it's an A tier for me. I can't 721 00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:10,640 Speaker 1: go to the S tier. No way, I can't go 722 00:31:10,840 --> 00:31:13,320 Speaker 1: that high. But yeah, E tier, and yeah, I think 723 00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:15,320 Speaker 1: this might. I saw people in the stream team saying 724 00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:17,320 Speaker 1: this is probably the squad. Well, we don't know. I mean, 725 00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:20,000 Speaker 1: they had a very disappointing end of the season last year. 726 00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:21,680 Speaker 1: They sort of tanked it away at the end. Keep 727 00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:24,920 Speaker 1: their picking all that. But will they be flirting with 728 00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:28,000 Speaker 1: a play in again? Will they be better? It doesn't 729 00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:30,480 Speaker 1: really matter to this experiment. This is a great duo, 730 00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:32,520 Speaker 1: it really is. I mean, of course, offensively, so I 731 00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:33,080 Speaker 1: think a tier. 732 00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:35,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think this is an A tier duo as well. 733 00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:38,680 Speaker 3: I think the hope for the MAVs is their team 734 00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:41,680 Speaker 3: is better this year. They've got just pieces that make 735 00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:45,200 Speaker 3: more sense around this duo. But also Luca and Kyrie. 736 00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:47,640 Speaker 3: Remember when they got together last year, they kept coming 737 00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:49,760 Speaker 3: up short in the clutch because it was like your turn, 738 00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:51,640 Speaker 3: my turn, your turn, mitern they hadn't really had a 739 00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:54,440 Speaker 3: chance to build any sort of chemistry and make each 740 00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:57,400 Speaker 3: other better. So they gotta have to They're gonna have 741 00:31:57,400 --> 00:31:59,400 Speaker 3: to figure something out to get the best out of 742 00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:01,840 Speaker 3: both of these. I do have them a little bit 743 00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:04,800 Speaker 3: ahead of the seventy six ers, I think in terms 744 00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:07,840 Speaker 3: of duos. Yeah, if you're like just looking in right now, 745 00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:11,480 Speaker 3: I would I would have a heat Celtics MAVs sixers. Okay, 746 00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:15,360 Speaker 3: but yeah, I mean that's a that's a tough duo 747 00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:19,000 Speaker 3: to beat Kyrie and Luka Dancic at least a scoring wise. 748 00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:20,400 Speaker 1: Okay, I'm good with that one. 749 00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:23,080 Speaker 3: Interesting one for you here skeets NICOLEA. Jokic and Jamal 750 00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:26,360 Speaker 3: Murray the Denver Nuggets. No All Star appearances for one 751 00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:28,200 Speaker 3: of the guys, and then the others got like every 752 00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:31,280 Speaker 3: single accolade you could possibly hope to have. They won 753 00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:35,959 Speaker 3: the title together this very calendar year. They're thirty two 754 00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:39,160 Speaker 3: and twenty in the playoffs together. That's incredible, man. 755 00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:43,560 Speaker 1: Wow. I mean it's an easy this is an easy ass. 756 00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:45,720 Speaker 1: I mean, the question is are you putting them ahead 757 00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:46,800 Speaker 1: of Joannis and Dame? 758 00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:52,680 Speaker 3: I mean, look, didn't didn't Jokic and Murray both go 759 00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:56,240 Speaker 3: for thirty and ten in the finals. Like averaging thirty 760 00:32:56,280 --> 00:32:56,560 Speaker 3: and ten. 761 00:32:56,640 --> 00:32:58,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, Like, don't worry about Jamal Murray having never made 762 00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:00,960 Speaker 1: an All Star game. Who cares. There's a champ and 763 00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:03,400 Speaker 1: the guy delivers in you know, you know we we 764 00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:05,560 Speaker 1: all we do is talk up how Jimmy Butler takes 765 00:33:05,560 --> 00:33:08,320 Speaker 1: it to the next level in the playoffs. Jamal Butler 766 00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:11,600 Speaker 1: doesn't Jamal Butler, Jamal Murray does the same thing. So, uh, 767 00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:15,760 Speaker 1: it's s tier. And you put them ahead of Damon Giannis. Wow, 768 00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:17,560 Speaker 1: I saw you slip that over. 769 00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:21,520 Speaker 3: A quick slip. I mean it's it's tough. I mean, yok, 770 00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:24,920 Speaker 3: It's probably like a half step ahead of Giannis right now, 771 00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:28,760 Speaker 3: at least in the general reputation world out there. I 772 00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:31,920 Speaker 3: think you would say that Lillard is significantly ahead of 773 00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:34,840 Speaker 3: Jamal Murray at least accomplishments wise and kind of his 774 00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:37,120 Speaker 3: standing in the league. But like you're saying, we've seen 775 00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:40,480 Speaker 3: Murray go Damian Lillard mode once it comes to the playoffs, 776 00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:42,720 Speaker 3: he just plays it a little cooler during the regular Let's. 777 00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:44,720 Speaker 1: Show them the respect they deserve, Let's keep them there. 778 00:33:44,760 --> 00:33:46,400 Speaker 3: That's right. I think so too, especially because we. 779 00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:50,720 Speaker 1: Haven't seen we haven't seen Dame and play together too, exactly. 780 00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:53,360 Speaker 1: There is that exact equation. So yeah, they're both S tiers, 781 00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:54,560 Speaker 1: Nuggets and Bucks. 782 00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:58,840 Speaker 3: This is a former guaranteed S tier duo. I don't 783 00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:00,600 Speaker 3: know they're where they're going to come in this season. 784 00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:04,640 Speaker 3: The Golden State Warriors. Warriors Stephen Curry and Draymond Green. 785 00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:08,400 Speaker 3: We went with as the other part of the duo here. 786 00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:10,960 Speaker 3: I guess you could go Klay Thompson, but Draymond is 787 00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:15,240 Speaker 3: certainly more of a Warriors figurehead. I think so, Stephan Draymond. 788 00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:16,440 Speaker 3: Where you got these guys right now? 789 00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:20,319 Speaker 1: Well, are you taking into consideration Draymond's injury here, it's 790 00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:22,480 Speaker 1: gonna be out four to six weeks, four to six weeks, 791 00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:23,880 Speaker 1: might miss the start of the season. 792 00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:25,960 Speaker 3: Well, we got some other guys who are going to 793 00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:28,120 Speaker 3: be missing the send of the season here, So not 794 00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:28,520 Speaker 3: for me. 795 00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:32,920 Speaker 1: Well, you said it, this was, you know, a guaranteed 796 00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:37,680 Speaker 1: Locke S tier duo. What is it still there? Is 797 00:34:37,719 --> 00:34:41,120 Speaker 1: it still at that level? I don't think so. I 798 00:34:41,160 --> 00:34:44,080 Speaker 1: think it's a I think they're with those other squads, 799 00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:47,719 Speaker 1: the Heat, the Celtics, you know, the Sixers, a couple others. 800 00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:49,520 Speaker 1: I think they're in that level. They're probably near the 801 00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:51,360 Speaker 1: top of it. And that's just because of Steph Curry 802 00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:53,560 Speaker 1: a lot. Yeah, so that's my I think they're a 803 00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:56,040 Speaker 1: I think they're A plus, but not s T here. 804 00:34:56,400 --> 00:34:58,680 Speaker 3: I like it. A plus is exactly right. So we'll 805 00:34:58,719 --> 00:35:00,879 Speaker 3: have them as our lead duo right now. I think 806 00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:02,799 Speaker 3: in the Western Conference I would have them. 807 00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:03,920 Speaker 1: I mean, I. 808 00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:05,960 Speaker 3: Guess, uh stuff is so good that I think it's 809 00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:06,960 Speaker 3: got to be ahead of the heat. 810 00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:10,000 Speaker 1: Yes, oh yes, yes, they have to lead the A tier. 811 00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:11,680 Speaker 3: If we don't have them in the Y, that's okay, 812 00:35:11,719 --> 00:35:15,080 Speaker 3: A plus tier. Nice. I like that. Another fresh duo 813 00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:17,399 Speaker 3: coming at his skeets, Fred Van Bleet and Jalen Green 814 00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:21,600 Speaker 3: of the Houston Rockets zero games together. They almost play 815 00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:24,800 Speaker 3: the same position. You have to imagine that Fred is 816 00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:27,839 Speaker 3: going to be imparting some veteran wisdom to Jalen Green 817 00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:29,840 Speaker 3: and say, hey man, you can pass the ball occasionally. 818 00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:31,920 Speaker 3: Feel free to work some guys in here. 819 00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:35,959 Speaker 1: I mean, they're going to be lower on our list here. 820 00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:37,239 Speaker 3: It's c r D. 821 00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:43,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's cr D. Oh boy, oh boy, throw it 822 00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:45,200 Speaker 1: up JD. I need to see the other duos we've 823 00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:50,520 Speaker 1: got there, Thank you. Like Van Vleet All Star last season, 824 00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:51,839 Speaker 1: right was he? 825 00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:54,680 Speaker 3: I think he was All Star last season? Wow? Did 826 00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:56,359 Speaker 3: he make it last I think didn't he make All 827 00:35:56,360 --> 00:35:59,680 Speaker 3: Star and make All me? Or no? Maybe Siaka made also. 828 00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:01,719 Speaker 3: I don't know he's a racing All Star. 829 00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:09,200 Speaker 1: I mean, I think I'm fine with see are they high? 830 00:36:09,239 --> 00:36:11,200 Speaker 1: Deer lit? C is where I'm gonna got a lot 831 00:36:11,239 --> 00:36:13,800 Speaker 1: of d's, A lot of d's in the stream team. 832 00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:16,280 Speaker 3: I would take him ahead of the Pistons. The infleete 833 00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:18,480 Speaker 3: is still good. I mean, he's still a good player, 834 00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:21,279 Speaker 3: and I think he will help the Rockets. And I 835 00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:23,200 Speaker 3: don't know. I still believe in Jalen Green. I still 836 00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:25,680 Speaker 3: think he's got skills. I let's put him D though, 837 00:36:25,719 --> 00:36:26,239 Speaker 3: top of the D. 838 00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:29,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, plus top of the D. Top of the D two, 839 00:36:30,040 --> 00:36:30,520 Speaker 1: tip of the D. 840 00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:38,720 Speaker 3: Easy, Okay. The Los Angeles Clippers Kawhi Leonard and Paul George. 841 00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:41,040 Speaker 3: They have been together for four seasons and played one 842 00:36:41,120 --> 00:36:44,040 Speaker 3: hundred and forty six total games together. This is an 843 00:36:44,080 --> 00:36:45,319 Speaker 3: impossible duo to rank. 844 00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:50,040 Speaker 1: Say that either A D. They've been together four seasons 845 00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:54,960 Speaker 1: and they've played one hundred and forty sixty six games together. Yeah, yeah, 846 00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:57,440 Speaker 1: where do you put this stupid duel? I mean they're elite, 847 00:36:57,840 --> 00:36:59,200 Speaker 1: elite when they play. 848 00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:00,799 Speaker 3: They're both off something when they play. 849 00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:07,399 Speaker 1: Yeah, I tole the B maybe, I know, I want 850 00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:10,800 Speaker 1: to put them in BES. That's sort of where I feel. 851 00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:12,200 Speaker 1: And I think top of the b's is right. 852 00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:15,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, I did too, because I mean, like when kah 853 00:37:15,560 --> 00:37:16,960 Speaker 3: isaid his best, You're like, that guy's the best player 854 00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:20,400 Speaker 3: in the NBA. Yeah, You're never sure if he's going 855 00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:22,000 Speaker 3: to be there. Paul George, you know, is an All 856 00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:25,920 Speaker 3: NBA caliber player still to this day, but he's just 857 00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:29,000 Speaker 3: as unreliable as Kawhi. So I think, yeah, we got 858 00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:30,640 Speaker 3: to give him a high B. I do believe. 859 00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:34,120 Speaker 1: I think somebody said it well here in the chat 860 00:37:34,239 --> 00:37:36,960 Speaker 1: Captain Jazz theoretical S actual B. 861 00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:42,319 Speaker 3: That's exactly right. Theoretical S. Right, there's another theoretical S 862 00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:44,880 Speaker 3: duo and maybe an actual S duo Lebron James and 863 00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:48,000 Speaker 3: Anthony Davis of the Los Angeles Lakers. They've played one 864 00:37:48,080 --> 00:37:50,160 Speaker 3: hundred and eighty eight games together and they've got a 865 00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:50,800 Speaker 3: title together. 866 00:37:52,080 --> 00:37:53,440 Speaker 1: So what are you putting them at the end of 867 00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:57,880 Speaker 1: the S here, end of the S. Yeah, I think 868 00:37:57,960 --> 00:37:59,600 Speaker 1: it's either high A or low S. 869 00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:04,239 Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, I think I think I'm happy end 870 00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:06,279 Speaker 3: of the S because it's kind of weird. It's like, 871 00:38:06,520 --> 00:38:09,480 Speaker 3: both of these guys, Lebron and a D. I think 872 00:38:10,040 --> 00:38:13,680 Speaker 3: any single game they can look like the absolute best 873 00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:16,719 Speaker 3: player in the entire NBA. But you're not getting that 874 00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:21,000 Speaker 3: every single game from either of those guys. So I mean, 875 00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:24,480 Speaker 3: is this another theoretical S actual A I don't know. 876 00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:28,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, it comes down to we know what we're getting 877 00:38:28,520 --> 00:38:30,520 Speaker 1: from Lebron. I don't care how many years he's in. 878 00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:33,759 Speaker 1: We know what we're getting. It's the Anthony Davis and 879 00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:36,120 Speaker 1: you know, you hear like KG and you hear these 880 00:38:36,120 --> 00:38:39,359 Speaker 1: guys and all their podcasts like this is the year 881 00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:42,319 Speaker 1: that Anthony Davis the year pass to take over and 882 00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:44,680 Speaker 1: be the MVP that we know we can be and 883 00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:47,680 Speaker 1: actually sort of carry a Lebron team for once. And 884 00:38:47,719 --> 00:38:49,480 Speaker 1: I believe all of that, and I think he can 885 00:38:49,600 --> 00:38:52,120 Speaker 1: do that, but that's just could he ever stay healthy 886 00:38:52,160 --> 00:38:54,360 Speaker 1: and just string together a full season is the issue. 887 00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:56,440 Speaker 1: But I like, I like sort of where we have them. 888 00:38:56,320 --> 00:38:58,560 Speaker 3: And of the S tier and I yes, yeah, I 889 00:38:58,560 --> 00:39:00,480 Speaker 3: got them a little bit behind the box of the Nuggets. 890 00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:04,160 Speaker 1: Yes, yes, I actually got them more than a little. 891 00:39:04,040 --> 00:39:06,239 Speaker 3: Yeah, Okay, Yeah, so like somewhere in between an S 892 00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:09,480 Speaker 3: M and A yeah S minus not a thing. Memphis 893 00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:13,000 Speaker 3: Grizzlies John Morant, Jaron Jackson Junior. Obviously joh will not 894 00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:16,120 Speaker 3: be playing the first twenty five games of this season 895 00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:20,200 Speaker 3: when they play together. Fifty nine percent winning percentage John 896 00:39:20,200 --> 00:39:23,120 Speaker 3: Morant and Jaron Jackson Junior. But that's in the regular season. 897 00:39:23,120 --> 00:39:26,480 Speaker 3: In the playoffs, only forty three percent of games are 898 00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:30,000 Speaker 3: they winning. But I mean John Morant, multiple time All Star, 899 00:39:30,080 --> 00:39:33,120 Speaker 3: Jaron Jackson also an All Star, reigning Defensive Player of 900 00:39:33,120 --> 00:39:34,400 Speaker 3: the Year. Where do you think these guys are at? 901 00:39:34,680 --> 00:39:37,040 Speaker 1: Well, they're a lot better than some of the B 902 00:39:37,239 --> 00:39:40,200 Speaker 1: duos we have. Yes, it's just whether or not we're 903 00:39:40,239 --> 00:39:43,480 Speaker 1: talking ourselves into the eight here in my opinion, because 904 00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:47,080 Speaker 1: of John missing twenty five games. Yeah, I mean that's 905 00:39:47,120 --> 00:39:47,719 Speaker 1: gonna hurt. 906 00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:49,880 Speaker 3: That does hurt missing a third of the season. 907 00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:56,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, b for bad decisions in the street team. I 908 00:39:57,040 --> 00:39:59,279 Speaker 1: don't mind it. I don't mind it. I think that's 909 00:39:59,280 --> 00:39:59,960 Speaker 1: where I have. 910 00:39:59,880 --> 00:40:02,759 Speaker 3: The I think you're top of the bee is good 911 00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:05,880 Speaker 3: to me as well, because, yeah, at their best, I 912 00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:06,680 Speaker 3: think they're an eight tier. 913 00:40:06,719 --> 00:40:08,760 Speaker 1: Oh, you have him ahead of Kawhi and Paul George. 914 00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:09,279 Speaker 3: I don't know. 915 00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:12,640 Speaker 1: I mean, I think because he's missing twenty five though, 916 00:40:12,680 --> 00:40:15,840 Speaker 1: I would bump Memphis behind the Clips, but I like 917 00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:17,600 Speaker 1: the games. 918 00:40:17,640 --> 00:40:21,160 Speaker 3: Well you're right, right, all right, okay, okay, yeah, I'll 919 00:40:21,160 --> 00:40:23,080 Speaker 3: put them behind just because I think at their best, 920 00:40:23,160 --> 00:40:25,000 Speaker 3: Kauai is ahead of both of them. 921 00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:27,480 Speaker 1: Okay, we like that, all right. 922 00:40:27,680 --> 00:40:32,200 Speaker 3: Our next duo, the only duo that shares a name really, 923 00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:38,240 Speaker 3: Carl Anthony Towns and Anthony Edwards of the Minnesota Timber. Yeah, 924 00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:40,960 Speaker 3: Jason and Jalen, you were close, but not close enough. 925 00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:45,239 Speaker 1: Right, right, right? Yeah, this is a difficult one. These 926 00:40:45,239 --> 00:40:46,360 Speaker 1: are two great, great players. 927 00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:46,640 Speaker 3: Yep. 928 00:40:46,920 --> 00:40:49,839 Speaker 1: Obviously, you know, maybe a disappointing your last year. Cat 929 00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:52,040 Speaker 1: missed a ton of it, though, Anthony Edwards took a leap, 930 00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:54,840 Speaker 1: took a jump up all star status. Saw what you 931 00:40:54,880 --> 00:40:57,400 Speaker 1: do with Team USA. Couldn't beat the Canadians. But whatever, 932 00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:02,799 Speaker 1: where you go, man, they're in the B mix. 933 00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:04,680 Speaker 3: I hate I think they're saying mix as well. Well, 934 00:41:04,719 --> 00:41:08,120 Speaker 3: that's how it should be, a lot of bees. I 935 00:41:08,120 --> 00:41:10,920 Speaker 3: think I I think I probably have them ahead of 936 00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:12,400 Speaker 3: the Cleveland Cavaliers though. 937 00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:14,279 Speaker 1: Yeah, I was going to say right around there, and 938 00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:16,400 Speaker 1: I think that's right. I think that's where they slot in. 939 00:41:16,600 --> 00:41:20,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's all right, right, a solid upper beer, upper 940 00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:22,719 Speaker 3: B level team. I mean it's not out of the 941 00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:25,040 Speaker 3: realm of possibility that, like both of them average twenty 942 00:41:25,040 --> 00:41:25,640 Speaker 3: five a game. 943 00:41:25,560 --> 00:41:28,000 Speaker 1: Of course not Yeah, yeah, I don't know. 944 00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:32,040 Speaker 3: I was encourage seing Cat play over the summer as well, 945 00:41:32,160 --> 00:41:34,640 Speaker 3: like he seems energized and ready for the season. And 946 00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:36,640 Speaker 3: since they'll actually have a training camp to be together, 947 00:41:36,920 --> 00:41:38,400 Speaker 3: maybe they take a little bump up here. I can 948 00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:41,680 Speaker 3: see them scratching at the A tier if things go perfect. 949 00:41:41,360 --> 00:41:43,719 Speaker 1: That's exactly right. We need to show them this and say, hey, 950 00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:45,440 Speaker 1: you're a B duo and they have to use it 951 00:41:45,440 --> 00:41:48,160 Speaker 1: for motivation and try and get up a level. And 952 00:41:48,200 --> 00:41:51,080 Speaker 1: they can and they should. But I like where we 953 00:41:51,080 --> 00:41:51,560 Speaker 1: got them there. 954 00:41:51,640 --> 00:41:54,440 Speaker 3: Yeah. You see the clip of Anthony Edwards saying that 955 00:41:54,440 --> 00:41:56,680 Speaker 3: if Rudio bearschut's a three pointer, he's gonna walk off 956 00:41:56,680 --> 00:41:57,000 Speaker 3: the court. 957 00:41:58,760 --> 00:41:59,439 Speaker 1: Did see that? 958 00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:03,120 Speaker 3: That's why Rudy didn't make our duo list. Here New 959 00:42:03,200 --> 00:42:07,720 Speaker 3: Orleans Pelicans Zion Williamson and Brandon Ingram. They've played ninety 960 00:42:07,719 --> 00:42:10,239 Speaker 3: three games together. Despite being on the same team for 961 00:42:10,320 --> 00:42:13,280 Speaker 3: quite some time. One game under five hundred in those times. 962 00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:16,920 Speaker 3: This is a theoretical eight year team, of course. 963 00:42:16,719 --> 00:42:19,000 Speaker 1: But we're not putting them there, no way, no. So 964 00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:22,239 Speaker 1: it's it's high SEI or it's low B. It has 965 00:42:22,280 --> 00:42:25,040 Speaker 1: to be yeah, until we're proven wrong. 966 00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:27,839 Speaker 3: I mean, they were still a play and team last year, 967 00:42:28,120 --> 00:42:30,080 Speaker 3: right like, they made the play ins and it got 968 00:42:30,120 --> 00:42:33,279 Speaker 3: to the playoffs, but that was without Zion. So I 969 00:42:33,320 --> 00:42:35,000 Speaker 3: think I probably have them. 970 00:42:34,920 --> 00:42:38,520 Speaker 4: Kind of in the Knicks range as a duo here, 971 00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:40,279 Speaker 4: just with the uncertainty of who's going to be on 972 00:42:40,280 --> 00:42:42,760 Speaker 4: the court together since you know, I mean like Ingram 973 00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:45,239 Speaker 4: hasn't been an iron man for the Pelicans by any 974 00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:47,520 Speaker 4: means either, So I'm happy with. 975 00:42:47,480 --> 00:42:49,480 Speaker 1: A low B. Yeah, it's somewhere around there, like you're 976 00:42:49,520 --> 00:42:51,440 Speaker 1: gonna take Are you gonna take Trey and de Jonte 977 00:42:51,560 --> 00:42:55,040 Speaker 1: Murray over Zion and Brandon Ingram. That's like, it's a 978 00:42:55,080 --> 00:42:57,200 Speaker 1: weird thing that does seem weird. Doesn't that seem weird? 979 00:42:57,560 --> 00:42:59,640 Speaker 3: I think? But the Hawks maybe play a little high 980 00:42:59,640 --> 00:43:01,280 Speaker 3: in the beach here right now. They do play. 981 00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:05,799 Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't mind where you have them though, but yeah, 982 00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:08,400 Speaker 1: I feel like we have the Pelicans sort of behind 983 00:43:08,520 --> 00:43:11,000 Speaker 1: the Calves. The Hawks, the Bulls, the Knicks. It's like, 984 00:43:11,560 --> 00:43:13,759 Speaker 1: could you convince yourself and move them up and move 985 00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:15,600 Speaker 1: them down a little bit in that beat here? Sure, 986 00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:18,680 Speaker 1: but let's let's put them there be for baby Cakes 987 00:43:18,719 --> 00:43:21,800 Speaker 1: as swish. 988 00:43:20,360 --> 00:43:23,719 Speaker 3: Like perfect, tell you that's exactly what we needed. I 989 00:43:23,719 --> 00:43:26,160 Speaker 3: thought it was B for bias. I guess it's baby 990 00:43:26,160 --> 00:43:28,319 Speaker 3: Cakes as well. The Oklahoma City Thunder and get your 991 00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:31,080 Speaker 3: B for bias ready here, because it's shake Gilles Alexander 992 00:43:31,320 --> 00:43:33,000 Speaker 3: and Josh Giddy. You went with Giddy? 993 00:43:33,239 --> 00:43:36,120 Speaker 1: Well, this was tough to pick. Who's the second man 994 00:43:36,239 --> 00:43:38,440 Speaker 1: with sg A? I mean, is it j Dub? Is 995 00:43:38,440 --> 00:43:44,160 Speaker 1: it is it chet played? I think it is Giddy 996 00:43:44,239 --> 00:43:46,040 Speaker 1: that you put for the duo's like if you're making 997 00:43:46,160 --> 00:43:47,960 Speaker 1: NBA jam, I think that's sort of the duo they 998 00:43:47,960 --> 00:43:48,480 Speaker 1: would go with. 999 00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:50,600 Speaker 3: I think right now, I think if we do this 1000 00:43:50,640 --> 00:43:54,440 Speaker 3: again next year, it'll be Shay and chet Chet. 1001 00:43:54,960 --> 00:44:00,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, and and and again. I love JDub, So, uh, 1002 00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:04,520 Speaker 1: where are you putting it? Oh my goodness, I think there. 1003 00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:07,759 Speaker 3: Will be I think there a be two probably like 1004 00:44:07,880 --> 00:44:12,319 Speaker 3: in the Knicks, Pelicans, Raptors range. I mean, Shay is 1005 00:44:12,320 --> 00:44:15,600 Speaker 3: an all NBA guy, Top five m VP kind of candidate, 1006 00:44:16,120 --> 00:44:19,200 Speaker 3: so that that does bump them up. Yeah, he's if 1007 00:44:19,239 --> 00:44:21,040 Speaker 3: you're looking at the players and the B tier, it's 1008 00:44:21,080 --> 00:44:26,680 Speaker 3: like Kawhi, Paul, George, jaw Mitchell, and then Shaye like 1009 00:44:26,920 --> 00:44:28,840 Speaker 3: he's in the mix for the best player in that range. 1010 00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:32,359 Speaker 1: I think I have them right in the middle there. 1011 00:44:32,360 --> 00:44:35,040 Speaker 1: I have them above the Hawks, all right. Yeah, I 1012 00:44:35,880 --> 00:44:37,760 Speaker 1: could almost be convinced to go higher. But of course 1013 00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:40,440 Speaker 1: I love SGA, so that that seems right. You know, 1014 00:44:40,440 --> 00:44:41,080 Speaker 1: I'll slow it down. 1015 00:44:41,080 --> 00:44:43,040 Speaker 3: He's gonna be an interesting, giddy season. That's a He's 1016 00:44:43,040 --> 00:44:44,279 Speaker 3: an interesting guy to watch. 1017 00:44:44,600 --> 00:44:46,520 Speaker 1: I will say, a lot of people pointing out, maybe 1018 00:44:46,600 --> 00:44:50,560 Speaker 1: do we need to drop the pacers down to a TIERC? 1019 00:44:50,920 --> 00:44:53,040 Speaker 3: Dropping them down to the top of Tier C? Yeah, 1020 00:44:53,239 --> 00:44:55,120 Speaker 3: oh man, that hurts our first emotion. 1021 00:44:56,040 --> 00:44:58,440 Speaker 1: I mean just throwing. We don't need to do it 1022 00:44:58,520 --> 00:45:00,560 Speaker 1: right this second, but you know, maybe keep it in mind. 1023 00:45:00,600 --> 00:45:03,759 Speaker 3: You're right, it's the more they're hanging around here and 1024 00:45:03,800 --> 00:45:06,279 Speaker 3: getting pushed further and further to the right, it's it's 1025 00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:08,000 Speaker 3: looking like they might have to drop down, at least 1026 00:45:08,040 --> 00:45:09,320 Speaker 3: for aesthetics purposes. 1027 00:45:11,360 --> 00:45:12,359 Speaker 1: How many teams we got left? 1028 00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:16,520 Speaker 3: We won two, three, four, five teams less including the 1029 00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:19,560 Speaker 3: Phoenix Suns Devin Booker and Kevin Durant. Devin and Kevin 1030 00:45:19,680 --> 00:45:22,520 Speaker 3: not the same name, but they rhyme. They only played 1031 00:45:22,560 --> 00:45:27,080 Speaker 3: eight regular season games together last year eleven playoff games together. 1032 00:45:28,200 --> 00:45:29,480 Speaker 3: This is an S Tier team, though. 1033 00:45:30,560 --> 00:45:32,239 Speaker 1: You gotta think, Yeah, I mean, didn't they have a 1034 00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:34,440 Speaker 1: pretty damn good record when they did play and then 1035 00:45:34,480 --> 00:45:38,359 Speaker 1: they lost to the games they took two games off them. Yeah, 1036 00:45:38,480 --> 00:45:41,759 Speaker 1: solely because you watch how about duos? Solely because of them. Yeah, 1037 00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:43,399 Speaker 1: that's the only reason they won two games. 1038 00:45:43,840 --> 00:45:47,120 Speaker 3: Yeah. So yeah, that's a great they have. They score 1039 00:45:47,160 --> 00:45:49,359 Speaker 3: like eighty a game, and those two wins they got 1040 00:45:49,480 --> 00:45:52,920 Speaker 3: so easily an S Tier team, I got ahead of 1041 00:45:52,960 --> 00:45:55,160 Speaker 3: the Lakers. Where do you put them against the Bucks? 1042 00:45:55,440 --> 00:45:55,640 Speaker 4: Yeah? 1043 00:45:55,920 --> 00:46:00,279 Speaker 1: I think that's okay. I think that's okay. Okay, we 1044 00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:02,239 Speaker 1: have them for the podcast listeners right now. In the 1045 00:46:02,360 --> 00:46:05,760 Speaker 1: S Tier it goes Denver, Milwaukee, Phoenix, and then the Lakers. 1046 00:46:06,320 --> 00:46:08,000 Speaker 1: So we have four teams in the S Tier and 1047 00:46:08,120 --> 00:46:10,279 Speaker 1: the Warriors, as we said, sort of like the top 1048 00:46:10,440 --> 00:46:13,640 Speaker 1: of the A tier. And then right now Heat, Celtics, 1049 00:46:14,080 --> 00:46:14,800 Speaker 1: Maths and Sixers. 1050 00:46:14,840 --> 00:46:18,680 Speaker 3: Okay, all right, another fresh duo coming at just Scoot 1051 00:46:18,760 --> 00:46:22,280 Speaker 3: Henderson and Anthony Simons of the Portland Trail Blazers obviously 1052 00:46:22,440 --> 00:46:25,239 Speaker 3: zero games together, as Scoot was just picked number three 1053 00:46:25,560 --> 00:46:28,440 Speaker 3: by the Blazers. Simons has been around in Portland for 1054 00:46:28,480 --> 00:46:30,040 Speaker 3: a little bit here and it's had a couple of 1055 00:46:30,160 --> 00:46:33,279 Speaker 3: really nice scoring seasons, though the Blazers haven't had very 1056 00:46:33,360 --> 00:46:34,320 Speaker 3: much team success. 1057 00:46:35,440 --> 00:46:39,520 Speaker 1: Well, we're starting low, they're going probably, they're probably going 1058 00:46:39,600 --> 00:46:41,919 Speaker 1: and C. They could be going in D. I could 1059 00:46:41,920 --> 00:46:43,120 Speaker 1: be even talked into that. 1060 00:46:44,680 --> 00:46:46,359 Speaker 3: I think they got to be a D tier team 1061 00:46:46,600 --> 00:46:48,600 Speaker 3: just because we haven't seen scoop play yet. I think 1062 00:46:48,640 --> 00:46:50,680 Speaker 3: that they could easily end the season as a C 1063 00:46:50,840 --> 00:46:53,600 Speaker 3: tier team, you know, just like the Orlando Magic. We're 1064 00:46:53,640 --> 00:46:55,439 Speaker 3: saying as a C tier team because we saw Polo 1065 00:46:55,520 --> 00:46:57,680 Speaker 3: go out and look awesome, win Rookie of the Year, 1066 00:46:57,680 --> 00:46:59,520 Speaker 3: scored twenty a game. I think if we see that 1067 00:46:59,560 --> 00:47:02,320 Speaker 3: from Scoot and I think if we see some chemistry 1068 00:47:02,840 --> 00:47:04,759 Speaker 3: with Simons, this would be a fun team to pick. 1069 00:47:04,800 --> 00:47:06,760 Speaker 3: If you're playing NBA jam Scoot and Simons. 1070 00:47:06,840 --> 00:47:08,640 Speaker 1: There is a lot, like a lot of people in 1071 00:47:08,680 --> 00:47:10,520 Speaker 1: the stream team saying like maybe we have the duo 1072 00:47:10,560 --> 00:47:13,600 Speaker 1: wrong here too, right, Like could it be Simon's and 1073 00:47:13,680 --> 00:47:18,240 Speaker 1: Naytan Scoot and naytan Uh, Simons and Grant, Scoot and Grant, 1074 00:47:18,360 --> 00:47:21,440 Speaker 1: like you could make some you know, you could go 1075 00:47:21,520 --> 00:47:23,279 Speaker 1: with any of those duos, and we don't really know 1076 00:47:23,360 --> 00:47:25,520 Speaker 1: how they're gonna work outside of obviously Simons and Grant 1077 00:47:25,640 --> 00:47:27,319 Speaker 1: having played together. So a lot of people, though, are 1078 00:47:27,400 --> 00:47:30,640 Speaker 1: thinking quite low. A lot of d's out there. 1079 00:47:30,840 --> 00:47:32,359 Speaker 3: A lot of d's out there, A lot of d's. 1080 00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:34,600 Speaker 1: Not a lot of females watching our show. 1081 00:47:37,000 --> 00:47:39,839 Speaker 3: No way, really, Yeah, that's crazy. Well, let's talk about 1082 00:47:39,880 --> 00:47:43,880 Speaker 3: Sacks then, the Sacermento Kings and their due off Aaron 1083 00:47:44,080 --> 00:47:48,920 Speaker 3: dearon Fox and demonte Sabonis raining all NBA rs. Not 1084 00:47:49,040 --> 00:47:50,920 Speaker 3: a lot of teams that have no all NBA players, 1085 00:47:50,960 --> 00:47:53,719 Speaker 3: but the Sacramento Kings do. Is that good enough for 1086 00:47:53,760 --> 00:47:54,480 Speaker 3: an eight tier team? 1087 00:47:54,560 --> 00:47:58,080 Speaker 1: It absolutely is talking about complimenting each other, for sure. 1088 00:47:58,160 --> 00:48:00,279 Speaker 1: There's that part. There's the small and big, there is 1089 00:48:00,880 --> 00:48:02,920 Speaker 1: the all NBA level. I mean, they've they were they 1090 00:48:03,040 --> 00:48:06,120 Speaker 1: proved last year that they were one of the elite 1091 00:48:06,120 --> 00:48:08,520 Speaker 1: players at their positions, both guys. And it wasn't even 1092 00:48:08,520 --> 00:48:11,040 Speaker 1: a stretch. It wasn't like, oh yeah, no, everyone's like no, 1093 00:48:11,160 --> 00:48:13,759 Speaker 1: they're they're all NBA. This year. They're an eightier. It's 1094 00:48:13,800 --> 00:48:15,800 Speaker 1: just where we put them. You know, they're They're not 1095 00:48:15,920 --> 00:48:19,279 Speaker 1: above the Tatum and Brown duo. They're not above a 1096 00:48:19,400 --> 00:48:20,160 Speaker 1: Jimmy and Bam. 1097 00:48:20,320 --> 00:48:24,800 Speaker 3: But would you rather have Fox and some bonus the 1098 00:48:24,880 --> 00:48:26,719 Speaker 3: Fox and the Ox, remember that was the thing for 1099 00:48:27,320 --> 00:48:29,759 Speaker 3: a week. Would you rather have them or would you 1100 00:48:29,840 --> 00:48:33,959 Speaker 3: rather have embiad in Maxie? That's the question. 1101 00:48:35,920 --> 00:48:39,960 Speaker 1: Wow, that's difficult. I think I would rather have Fox 1102 00:48:40,040 --> 00:48:44,239 Speaker 1: and Ox than you know, embiid in MAXI I'm not 1103 00:48:44,280 --> 00:48:46,279 Speaker 1: as high on Maxie as some people are, but uh, 1104 00:48:47,040 --> 00:48:48,560 Speaker 1: you know, I'm okay with them being at the end 1105 00:48:48,600 --> 00:48:51,080 Speaker 1: of the eight tier. The Kings, That's totally fine. I 1106 00:48:51,120 --> 00:48:53,839 Speaker 1: think it's right there. They're you know, look, I think 1107 00:48:54,640 --> 00:48:56,800 Speaker 1: I think the case is to be made. The Secramento 1108 00:48:56,840 --> 00:48:59,920 Speaker 1: could be like the leaders of our second group in 1109 00:49:01,600 --> 00:49:04,279 Speaker 1: you know, so I have Warriors, Heat, Celtics Boom, there 1110 00:49:04,320 --> 00:49:06,319 Speaker 1: are the top of our antier, and then I get 1111 00:49:06,400 --> 00:49:08,360 Speaker 1: into these MAVs, Sixers, Kings, and I like, you know, 1112 00:49:08,480 --> 00:49:10,480 Speaker 1: I think you can move them around, but let's keep 1113 00:49:10,520 --> 00:49:11,120 Speaker 1: them at the bottom. 1114 00:49:11,400 --> 00:49:15,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean Sabonos struggled a little bit in the playoffs, 1115 00:49:15,120 --> 00:49:17,120 Speaker 3: which was also the case when he was a pacer 1116 00:49:17,200 --> 00:49:19,680 Speaker 3: as well. But I mean regular season. These guys are 1117 00:49:19,920 --> 00:49:22,120 Speaker 3: awesome and they definitely make each other better, which I 1118 00:49:22,160 --> 00:49:25,560 Speaker 3: think is good for their duo ranking. Got another fresh 1119 00:49:26,040 --> 00:49:28,359 Speaker 3: duo forre skeets. One we disagreed on here, the San 1120 00:49:28,400 --> 00:49:32,000 Speaker 3: Antonio Spurs. We got Victor Webbinyama locked in. The question 1121 00:49:32,120 --> 00:49:34,719 Speaker 3: Mark was for the second part of the duo, you 1122 00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:37,680 Speaker 3: thought Calden Johnson, but I went Devin Vessel and then 1123 00:49:37,719 --> 00:49:39,960 Speaker 3: he got a bag dropped on him. 1124 00:49:40,000 --> 00:49:42,120 Speaker 1: This is true. This is one of our debates in slack. 1125 00:49:42,640 --> 00:49:44,719 Speaker 1: Trey said, who are we going with Webanyama? I guess 1126 00:49:44,760 --> 00:49:46,680 Speaker 1: the sell, and I was like, kel Johnson. Manny scored 1127 00:49:47,120 --> 00:49:51,000 Speaker 1: twenty two a game. These guys gets overlooked. He's pretty 1128 00:49:51,040 --> 00:49:53,720 Speaker 1: similar in age to Devin Miscellet. He's one year older. 1129 00:49:54,200 --> 00:49:56,480 Speaker 1: But right after it happened, and right after you had 1130 00:49:56,520 --> 00:49:58,480 Speaker 1: the final saying, you went, no, we're going Devin vecella 1131 00:49:58,480 --> 00:50:02,040 Speaker 1: guy gets the bag. That's okay. They're low anyway, so 1132 00:50:02,040 --> 00:50:05,200 Speaker 1: it doesn't matter. D T. They're probably d Yeah. 1133 00:50:05,480 --> 00:50:08,040 Speaker 3: I think I would have them ahead of I don't 1134 00:50:08,040 --> 00:50:11,120 Speaker 3: know who's better, Devin the Seller Anthony Simon's that's a 1135 00:50:11,239 --> 00:50:12,839 Speaker 3: question I've never thought of in my life. 1136 00:50:14,800 --> 00:50:17,440 Speaker 1: That's why. I mean, like, it really just depends how 1137 00:50:17,520 --> 00:50:22,919 Speaker 1: much you think is gonna ball out. Yeah, I've got them. 1138 00:50:24,080 --> 00:50:28,360 Speaker 1: Oh man, oh man, oh man. Yeah, put them. I 1139 00:50:28,480 --> 00:50:30,280 Speaker 1: put them behind those Blazers. 1140 00:50:30,480 --> 00:50:31,640 Speaker 3: Okay, I don't know. 1141 00:50:31,840 --> 00:50:33,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, we have to just see it. We have to 1142 00:50:33,239 --> 00:50:34,640 Speaker 1: see it. I'm sorry, Yeah, exactly. 1143 00:50:34,960 --> 00:50:37,160 Speaker 3: It's gonna be interesting to see with web Benyam. But like, 1144 00:50:37,239 --> 00:50:39,400 Speaker 3: I think he's gonna be one of the best defensive 1145 00:50:39,400 --> 00:50:42,080 Speaker 3: players in the league right away. But he's also going 1146 00:50:42,160 --> 00:50:43,640 Speaker 3: to be very tall and skinny, which is gonna be 1147 00:50:43,680 --> 00:50:46,600 Speaker 3: tough for scoring. He'll kind of feast as a garbage man, 1148 00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:49,680 Speaker 3: I think, But I think the offense will take a 1149 00:50:49,680 --> 00:50:50,319 Speaker 3: little bit more time. 1150 00:50:50,520 --> 00:50:52,399 Speaker 1: And then, how do you feel about Devon the Hill even? 1151 00:50:52,440 --> 00:50:54,600 Speaker 1: I mean we are talking duos here, are talking to 1152 00:50:54,840 --> 00:50:56,359 Speaker 1: Guy's a three and D guy. Don't get me wrong, 1153 00:50:56,680 --> 00:50:58,680 Speaker 1: He's going to get better. He's in the right system. 1154 00:50:59,760 --> 00:51:01,840 Speaker 1: But I also don't like, is this guy going to 1155 00:51:01,840 --> 00:51:02,680 Speaker 1: be an All NBA player? 1156 00:51:03,120 --> 00:51:05,000 Speaker 3: I wouldn't think so. I don't think they have a 1157 00:51:05,040 --> 00:51:07,840 Speaker 3: second All NBA player on their team right now. And 1158 00:51:08,160 --> 00:51:10,440 Speaker 3: you know, Kelvin Johnson did outscore them. I think it 1159 00:51:10,480 --> 00:51:12,600 Speaker 3: was like twenty two to twenty or something like that. 1160 00:51:12,800 --> 00:51:15,680 Speaker 3: But this is going to be their first season for 1161 00:51:15,760 --> 00:51:18,600 Speaker 3: both of those guys looking like a real competitive team 1162 00:51:18,640 --> 00:51:20,799 Speaker 3: that's kind of put together as trying to build something 1163 00:51:20,840 --> 00:51:22,600 Speaker 3: going forward. So we'll have a better idea at the 1164 00:51:22,680 --> 00:51:23,120 Speaker 3: end of this year. 1165 00:51:23,120 --> 00:51:24,759 Speaker 1: I think I'll say the stream team a lot of 1166 00:51:24,880 --> 00:51:29,000 Speaker 1: low SE's maybe top of the DS. We've got them, 1167 00:51:29,040 --> 00:51:32,080 Speaker 1: maybe lower than people like. But what do you do 1168 00:51:32,120 --> 00:51:34,240 Speaker 1: about you know, sorry, we got control of the computer. 1169 00:51:34,800 --> 00:51:36,719 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, we'll drop the link. You can make your 1170 00:51:36,719 --> 00:51:39,160 Speaker 3: own tiers. Yeah, share with us. Let's see your duos. 1171 00:51:39,680 --> 00:51:42,480 Speaker 3: We got our last duo here, the Utah Jazz Lowry, 1172 00:51:42,520 --> 00:51:46,239 Speaker 3: Markinen Jordan Clarkson. Both scored over twenty of games, twenty 1173 00:51:46,320 --> 00:51:48,440 Speaker 3: five for Market and twenty for Clarkson last season. 1174 00:51:49,719 --> 00:51:52,319 Speaker 1: I go immediately to near the top of the sea tier. 1175 00:51:52,600 --> 00:51:53,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think. 1176 00:51:53,200 --> 00:51:54,799 Speaker 1: So That's where I'm at with them, And that might 1177 00:51:54,840 --> 00:51:57,440 Speaker 1: feel disrespectful. I don't mean it to be, but they're 1178 00:51:57,480 --> 00:51:59,319 Speaker 1: because they feel a lot better than those other teams 1179 00:51:59,360 --> 00:52:02,440 Speaker 1: and they're in their tier. There the magic, the nets, 1180 00:52:03,160 --> 00:52:07,520 Speaker 1: the whiz but ye okay, yeah, see, okay, top of 1181 00:52:07,520 --> 00:52:08,479 Speaker 1: the seat tier for the Jazz. 1182 00:52:08,640 --> 00:52:10,719 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's good, especially like you look at 1183 00:52:10,760 --> 00:52:12,440 Speaker 3: the four teams that we have in there now and 1184 00:52:13,040 --> 00:52:15,120 Speaker 3: are we going to adjust the Pacers in I don't know, 1185 00:52:15,200 --> 00:52:17,240 Speaker 3: but those are all teams that, like, if their duos 1186 00:52:17,280 --> 00:52:21,640 Speaker 3: are playing well, you're probably in the play in tournament. 1187 00:52:21,840 --> 00:52:26,680 Speaker 3: You know, if you're having a really successful season, Pacers, Jazz, Magic, Nets, 1188 00:52:26,760 --> 00:52:29,400 Speaker 3: Wizards would be battling for a play in birth. I 1189 00:52:29,480 --> 00:52:29,880 Speaker 3: do believe. 1190 00:52:30,080 --> 00:52:33,600 Speaker 1: So there it is all thirty teams duos, I should say, 1191 00:52:33,640 --> 00:52:36,240 Speaker 1: if you're just joining us, this is us ranking duos, 1192 00:52:36,360 --> 00:52:38,560 Speaker 1: not the entire team and not the depth and the 1193 00:52:38,640 --> 00:52:41,279 Speaker 1: coaching and all that, just the duos. And we had 1194 00:52:41,360 --> 00:52:44,120 Speaker 1: some debates about who were the two players for some 1195 00:52:44,280 --> 00:52:46,320 Speaker 1: of the teams. But I will read it for the 1196 00:52:46,480 --> 00:52:48,440 Speaker 1: podcast listeners right now, and then we can tweak if 1197 00:52:48,480 --> 00:52:53,120 Speaker 1: we want to S Tier, Nuggets, Bucks, Suns, Lakers, A Tier, 1198 00:52:53,520 --> 00:52:56,080 Speaker 1: the Warriors at the top of the A tier. Then 1199 00:52:56,160 --> 00:52:59,040 Speaker 1: we have the Heat and we got the Celtics, the MAVs, 1200 00:52:59,280 --> 00:53:01,760 Speaker 1: the Sixers, and we went with Maxie instead of Harden 1201 00:53:01,880 --> 00:53:03,840 Speaker 1: with Juel Embiid, and then we got the Fox and 1202 00:53:03,880 --> 00:53:05,680 Speaker 1: the ox Kings. There at the end of the eight tier. 1203 00:53:05,960 --> 00:53:07,880 Speaker 1: In the bech here we got a lot. We got 1204 00:53:07,920 --> 00:53:11,520 Speaker 1: the Clippers, obviously Kawhi and Paul George. Theoretically we agreed 1205 00:53:11,560 --> 00:53:14,040 Speaker 1: should be yesked here, but you got to play. We've 1206 00:53:14,080 --> 00:53:17,120 Speaker 1: got the Grizzlies there. We got the Timberwolves, we got 1207 00:53:17,200 --> 00:53:19,800 Speaker 1: the Calves, we got the thunder the Hawks, the Bulls, 1208 00:53:19,920 --> 00:53:22,560 Speaker 1: the Knicks, the Pels, the Raps and the Pacers. A 1209 00:53:22,640 --> 00:53:24,719 Speaker 1: lot of teams that are in the be tier. C tier. 1210 00:53:25,160 --> 00:53:27,960 Speaker 1: Jazz lead the way with Lowry, Markinen and Clarkson. Then 1211 00:53:27,960 --> 00:53:30,000 Speaker 1: we got the Magic, we got the Nets, and we 1212 00:53:30,080 --> 00:53:32,719 Speaker 1: did go with Cam Johnson instead of Ben Simmons. And 1213 00:53:32,880 --> 00:53:34,840 Speaker 1: we got the Wizards there and they're gonna be a 1214 00:53:34,920 --> 00:53:37,080 Speaker 1: hilarious team, so we're excited to watch them. And then 1215 00:53:37,160 --> 00:53:41,839 Speaker 1: the D tier. Right now, it's Rockets, it's Blazers, it's 1216 00:53:41,920 --> 00:53:47,200 Speaker 1: Spurs with Wemby, it's Pistons, and it's Hornets. So is 1217 00:53:47,239 --> 00:53:49,279 Speaker 1: there anything you want to move around or you were like, 1218 00:53:49,360 --> 00:53:52,400 Speaker 1: hold on, now that I see them all, maybe one 1219 00:53:52,400 --> 00:53:55,560 Speaker 1: of those earlier teams we ranked we had wrong, we 1220 00:53:55,680 --> 00:53:56,919 Speaker 1: had too high or too low. 1221 00:53:57,360 --> 00:53:59,920 Speaker 3: Well, I basically just think that the Hornets shouldn't have 1222 00:54:00,080 --> 00:54:03,920 Speaker 3: worst duo in the league interesting when you're looking at 1223 00:54:04,200 --> 00:54:07,719 Speaker 3: established players in the D tier, it's Fred van Vliet, 1224 00:54:08,080 --> 00:54:11,680 Speaker 3: Anthony Simons, Devin Vessel. The Pistons don't really have an 1225 00:54:11,760 --> 00:54:16,160 Speaker 3: established player, I would say so. I think Lamello. Lamello 1226 00:54:16,280 --> 00:54:18,320 Speaker 3: at the very least has the Hornets ahead of the Pistons. 1227 00:54:19,120 --> 00:54:26,200 Speaker 3: To me, what a nitpick. Let me let me change 1228 00:54:26,560 --> 00:54:29,240 Speaker 3: up here from twenty nine to thirty sets. 1229 00:54:29,080 --> 00:54:34,520 Speaker 1: Okay, just to off the Pistons like that. Okay, so 1230 00:54:34,719 --> 00:54:38,960 Speaker 1: people are saying the number one things people are pointing out, Yeah, 1231 00:54:38,960 --> 00:54:40,719 Speaker 1: maybe too many teams in B tier. Do we drop 1232 00:54:40,760 --> 00:54:42,440 Speaker 1: a couple of those teams at the bottom of it 1233 00:54:42,920 --> 00:54:47,560 Speaker 1: to the top of the pace. Yeah, yeah, Pacers to 1234 00:54:47,640 --> 00:54:48,560 Speaker 1: the top of the Sea Tier. 1235 00:54:48,760 --> 00:54:50,759 Speaker 3: I can I can see the you. 1236 00:54:50,800 --> 00:54:52,719 Speaker 1: Can see the reasoning in that. Yeah. 1237 00:54:52,840 --> 00:54:55,279 Speaker 3: I mean we've seen a great Halliburton season for sure, 1238 00:54:55,600 --> 00:55:00,040 Speaker 3: and Miles Turner is a really good defensive player, but 1239 00:55:00,120 --> 00:55:02,880 Speaker 3: they also were trying to move him for like multiple seasons, 1240 00:55:02,920 --> 00:55:05,839 Speaker 3: and you could definitely get other centers on the same 1241 00:55:05,920 --> 00:55:07,239 Speaker 3: caliber as Miles Turner, I think. 1242 00:55:07,400 --> 00:55:10,120 Speaker 1: And then there's you know, some talk about where we 1243 00:55:10,200 --> 00:55:12,640 Speaker 1: have the Celtics as a duel, they could go higher. Yeah, 1244 00:55:12,680 --> 00:55:14,560 Speaker 1: there's a lot of that, you know, you know, do 1245 00:55:14,640 --> 00:55:16,719 Speaker 1: we should we have them up above the Heat? At 1246 00:55:16,800 --> 00:55:19,000 Speaker 1: least some people trying to make the case they're an 1247 00:55:19,120 --> 00:55:24,080 Speaker 1: S tier, which I get I understand because we are 1248 00:55:24,200 --> 00:55:26,160 Speaker 1: just talking duos here. They're damn good. 1249 00:55:26,400 --> 00:55:28,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, but I like it. 1250 00:55:29,040 --> 00:55:30,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't mind this. 1251 00:55:30,320 --> 00:55:32,960 Speaker 3: I definitely do think you could make a case for Warriors, 1252 00:55:33,040 --> 00:55:36,000 Speaker 3: Heat and Celtics bumping up to S tire because they've 1253 00:55:36,040 --> 00:55:39,399 Speaker 3: all had a lot of success together, right like, they've 1254 00:55:39,440 --> 00:55:43,160 Speaker 3: all had six thane periods of being a great duo together. 1255 00:55:44,080 --> 00:55:45,560 Speaker 3: But I'm happy with them being in the A tier 1256 00:55:45,640 --> 00:55:47,080 Speaker 3: right now because they are definitely questions, I think. 1257 00:55:47,160 --> 00:55:49,040 Speaker 1: And if you had to move one more team from 1258 00:55:49,080 --> 00:55:51,319 Speaker 1: the B tier down to the top of the Sea Tier, 1259 00:55:51,960 --> 00:55:54,800 Speaker 1: like with sort of the Pacers, who would you go. 1260 00:55:55,040 --> 00:55:57,200 Speaker 1: Would you immediately go Raptors because we haven't at the end, 1261 00:55:57,320 --> 00:55:59,600 Speaker 1: or would you go Zion and the Pelicans because you 1262 00:55:59,600 --> 00:56:03,120 Speaker 1: know we can't play that much one of the other teams. 1263 00:56:04,560 --> 00:56:06,800 Speaker 3: Zion and the Pelicans is a little questionable to me, 1264 00:56:07,000 --> 00:56:11,120 Speaker 3: just because you know, we bumped Kawhi and Paul George 1265 00:56:11,120 --> 00:56:14,280 Speaker 3: and John Morant down to the Bechier because of reliability concerns, 1266 00:56:14,320 --> 00:56:17,440 Speaker 3: and that's definitely the case with the Pelicans and then 1267 00:56:17,480 --> 00:56:19,800 Speaker 3: the Knicks. I think can kind of vacillate between B 1268 00:56:19,880 --> 00:56:22,440 Speaker 3: and C depending on what kind of a year we 1269 00:56:22,480 --> 00:56:23,440 Speaker 3: get from Julius Randall. 1270 00:56:23,600 --> 00:56:25,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, there's a lot of talk of like 1271 00:56:25,920 --> 00:56:28,400 Speaker 1: after the Calves almost you can move a lot of 1272 00:56:28,440 --> 00:56:30,919 Speaker 1: those teams down to the sea tier. And I get it. Yeah, 1273 00:56:31,280 --> 00:56:33,759 Speaker 1: but I like having a big middle finger there in 1274 00:56:33,840 --> 00:56:34,359 Speaker 1: the beach here. 1275 00:56:35,680 --> 00:56:39,360 Speaker 3: It looks nice. Actually it's perfect. So we're going with 1276 00:56:39,480 --> 00:56:40,480 Speaker 3: this again. 1277 00:56:40,560 --> 00:56:43,960 Speaker 1: This is just duos. This is the top two that 1278 00:56:44,080 --> 00:56:46,640 Speaker 1: we've determined on each team. And I think for the 1279 00:56:46,680 --> 00:56:47,640 Speaker 1: most part, I'm happy with this. 1280 00:56:48,360 --> 00:56:49,960 Speaker 3: I think it looks good, all right, Yeah, I think 1281 00:56:49,960 --> 00:56:53,560 Speaker 3: it looks nice. Print it, save it and download it. 1282 00:56:54,320 --> 00:56:58,279 Speaker 1: Save download, printed at Kinko's, frame it, hang it behind us, 1283 00:56:58,560 --> 00:57:00,560 Speaker 1: and then we can always look at it throughout the scenes. 1284 00:57:02,440 --> 00:57:04,880 Speaker 1: Oh to like get one of those like or just 1285 00:57:04,960 --> 00:57:09,600 Speaker 1: make the magnets like a draft board, like yeah, every day, 1286 00:57:09,880 --> 00:57:13,120 Speaker 1: no dunks. We could be like going up something that 1287 00:57:13,400 --> 00:57:15,719 Speaker 1: we need to look into that like some like little 1288 00:57:15,800 --> 00:57:17,560 Speaker 1: felt things or something, some magnets. 1289 00:57:17,880 --> 00:57:19,840 Speaker 3: We should do that with teams. I think that like that. 1290 00:57:20,160 --> 00:57:22,360 Speaker 3: That's a good way I track power rankings throughout the 1291 00:57:22,400 --> 00:57:22,920 Speaker 3: season we have. 1292 00:57:23,280 --> 00:57:25,120 Speaker 1: We could have power rankings by the minute. 1293 00:57:28,160 --> 00:57:28,640 Speaker 3: Make a change. 1294 00:57:28,680 --> 00:57:31,200 Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, you make a great point about the Dallas 1295 00:57:31,320 --> 00:57:34,000 Speaker 1: Mavericks and the depth they showed last night, and they're 1296 00:57:34,040 --> 00:57:36,000 Speaker 1: went over the pels and we're like, oh gee, let's 1297 00:57:36,160 --> 00:57:36,880 Speaker 1: let's move them up. 1298 00:57:36,880 --> 00:57:38,000 Speaker 3: All right, we gotta get a whiteboard. 1299 00:57:38,040 --> 00:57:39,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, we can get sidetracked a little bit with that, 1300 00:57:39,720 --> 00:57:41,680 Speaker 1: but that's something to look into. Okay, we're gonna call 1301 00:57:41,680 --> 00:57:44,520 Speaker 1: it there. Those are our duo rankings. I love, love 1302 00:57:44,600 --> 00:57:46,480 Speaker 1: the engagement in the stream team. I'm sure a lot 1303 00:57:46,520 --> 00:57:49,640 Speaker 1: of you podcast listeners yelling in your car, yelling at 1304 00:57:49,680 --> 00:57:52,880 Speaker 1: your dog while you're walking them. What that team's too low, 1305 00:57:52,920 --> 00:57:55,040 Speaker 1: What that team's too hot? Well tell us tweet at 1306 00:57:55,120 --> 00:57:56,960 Speaker 1: us at no dunk sink. Let us know in the 1307 00:57:57,000 --> 00:58:00,240 Speaker 1: YouTube comments. Uh, and we do appreciate it. If you're 1308 00:58:00,240 --> 00:58:04,520 Speaker 1: overr on YouTube, like subscribe, share the show. Podcast listeners, 1309 00:58:04,600 --> 00:58:07,240 Speaker 1: leave your boys a five star rating and review. It's 1310 00:58:07,240 --> 00:58:09,120 Speaker 1: a lot of fun and we will be getting into 1311 00:58:09,200 --> 00:58:11,600 Speaker 1: some tiers when it comes to the actual teams as 1312 00:58:11,640 --> 00:58:15,240 Speaker 1: we hit our season. Preview series is coming up in 1313 00:58:15,680 --> 00:58:17,920 Speaker 1: what two weeks. Call it that. Not next week but 1314 00:58:17,960 --> 00:58:20,160 Speaker 1: the week next week. Yeah, we're gonna have a bunch 1315 00:58:20,240 --> 00:58:23,440 Speaker 1: of our season preview shows starting again. Not next week, 1316 00:58:23,480 --> 00:58:26,280 Speaker 1: but the week after that, the sixteenth, on Monday. That's right, 1317 00:58:26,400 --> 00:58:29,040 Speaker 1: Jad you get ready to get that date right, sixteenth 1318 00:58:29,080 --> 00:58:32,880 Speaker 1: It's a Monday, twenty twenty three, twenty twenty three. Thanks 1319 00:58:32,880 --> 00:58:35,720 Speaker 1: so much for joining us here again. We really appreciate it. 1320 00:58:36,040 --> 00:58:38,360 Speaker 1: Come hang out with us later today for No Buffs 1321 00:58:38,920 --> 00:58:41,520 Speaker 1: one pm Eastern talking about last night's episode. Can't wait 1322 00:58:41,560 --> 00:58:44,480 Speaker 1: to break that down with the guys. And until next time, 1323 00:58:45,120 --> 00:58:45,800 Speaker 1: Clipper Bros. 1324 00:58:46,120 --> 00:58:48,680 Speaker 3: You heard it here first, have a great time turn up. 1325 00:58:48,880 --> 00:58:49,479 Speaker 3: Love you guys. 1326 00:58:49,760 --> 00:58:50,080 Speaker 1: Awesome. 1327 00:58:50,520 --> 00:58:52,800 Speaker 3: Thanks for joining us in skeets. I wanted to get 1328 00:58:52,840 --> 00:58:55,160 Speaker 3: your take on something I saw on Instagram before we 1329 00:58:55,200 --> 00:58:58,840 Speaker 3: did the show. What sound with the Sacramento Kings Beam 1330 00:58:59,040 --> 00:59:03,960 Speaker 3: make well, brace of they people? 1331 00:59:06,880 --> 00:59:12,960 Speaker 4: Well that I leave h