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Speaker 1: So the kids around here on Fridays, every Friday, they

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Speaker 1: It's fun deal. Not time comes around. They're allowing to

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Speaker 1: I think yeah, as far as I know, I didn't ask.

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Speaker 2: The eight of Oklahoma mules sell was three days long

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Speaker 2: The owner of the mule has stood up in the

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Speaker 2: The way this works is that one by one, each

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Speaker 4: Come see the big deal. Yeah, you know.

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Speaker 1: And there's people here come here to vacation. They just

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Speaker 1: Auction, and there's disbandaged that showmanship. The reason my Hilberts

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Speaker 4: Morning, I'm trusting you.

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Speaker 6: You've lost.

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Speaker 1: Something else has caught my mule stepped on it finished

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Speaker 1: you can get mules or horses sold higher as high

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Speaker 1: an auction, when you bid, you just took ownership. It

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Speaker 4: At that moment.

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Speaker 1: Well, if you want it enough, Why don't think I

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Speaker 4: I wouldn't ask you that much for it.

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Speaker 2: Hot a live auction can be a seller's market. But

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Speaker 2: the benefit to the buyer is how many mules they

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Speaker 2: what I've learned is that meal trainers or the people

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Speaker 2: selling these mules who come year after year can get

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Speaker 2: they're getting just because of whose mule it is. This

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Speaker 1: Sell, it's always average around one hundred and fifty seventy five.

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Speaker 1: Since we moved here properly year, you're gonna have close

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Speaker 4: We have two hundred.

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Speaker 1: We got nearly one hundred in the catalog, so we

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Speaker 4: You just don't know. More people are putting their muals

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Speaker 1: The catalog sale is where you can sign the mule,

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Speaker 4: Time, so it's a it's a you're coming to consignment sale.

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Speaker 1: Would be a better way for a lot of people

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Speaker 4: That's right.

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Speaker 6: A catalog mule is going to go through the trail course.

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Speaker 4: Go through a trail course.

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Speaker 2: So at this cell there's going to be two categories

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Speaker 6: They you know this mule's coming.

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Speaker 2: But then there's also people that are just going to

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Speaker 4: This mule sold.

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Speaker 6: Who is buying mules at this cell?

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Speaker 2: Is it the individual guy that just is like, Hey,

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Speaker 2: I want to go buy a meals so that I

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Speaker 2: is it mule buyers and mule traders. Is it people

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Speaker 1: Yes to all those, it's we got sero individuals that

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Speaker 1: you know, they trail right, maybe their mule died, maybe

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Speaker 4: Sounds like a tough situation.

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Speaker 1: She could be. But then the outfitters, mule traders or sellers.

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Speaker 1: One guy I know, he called me he's got a

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Speaker 2: Somebody might be here that that is representing such back home.

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Speaker 1: And that's I know, we got a couple of outfitters

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Speaker 1: We have one outfitter in a Wyomi that bought seat

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Speaker 1: you know. So so it's got several benefits stoning for

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Speaker 1: the seller. But asso for the buyer and that they

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Speaker 1: I'll stay at home.

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Speaker 2: What are some of the things that people are wanting

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Speaker 2: to see in that ring? Like if I could go

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Speaker 2: in there right now and make my mule lay down

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Speaker 6: And off of it, I mean, that's kind of kind

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Speaker 4: One thing does show with some willingness to please.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, it's indicator. It's like he'll lay down, lets you

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Speaker 6: get on off of him. There's probably other stuff he's doing.

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Speaker 1: Right, but but you don't need to buy him just

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Speaker 1: because it's kind of like that stock live mu or

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Speaker 1: a grave mule when we're talking about earlier. It's okay,

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Speaker 1: they got that, But you don't need to buy him

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Speaker 1: just because he's got that. Yeah, that needs to be

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Speaker 1: an added bonus. That sorrow or baby mule has no

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Speaker 4: Care of you just as good or better, you know.

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Speaker 6: So, so what impresses you in the ring when you

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Speaker 1: When that mule comes in slow lope, you don't have

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Speaker 1: not not charging head down, loping on a loose rain

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Speaker 1: a loose rain, it shows me you've done your work

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Speaker 1: and that mule has got a lot of potential, has

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Speaker 1: got a good mind on it. It's not it's not

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Speaker 1: looking for now that mule knows at least. Look, you're

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Speaker 1: going to do it. It's not trying to do what

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Speaker 2: Max Bishop is a longtime muleman and buyer. He makes

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Speaker 2: this complete living buying and selling mules. So he has

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Speaker 2: of sales. Here's what he has to say about this

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Speaker 5: There's a lot of good mules here.

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Speaker 7: There's gonna be some more average type mules here, so

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Speaker 7: different different budgets. You're gonna have some hot sellers here

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Speaker 7: that are probably a loss as any of the mules

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Speaker 7: they're almost for sure, all the mules are super high,

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Speaker 7: so it's kind of limited for who can buy them.

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Speaker 7: Or this is going to have some mules that are

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Speaker 7: going to go really really cheap, when some are going

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Max is about to mention these Saturday night sales,

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Speaker 2: which refers to a small scale local livestock auction, and

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Speaker 2: he compares buying there to buying catalog mule or a

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Speaker 6: At a sale like.

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Speaker 7: This the Saturday night cells, you know, they're gonna have

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Speaker 7: They got problems and stuff like that. So those are

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Speaker 7: They're trying to get a top dollar for them, and

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Speaker 7: they have to come out here in the open and

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Speaker 7: get away with a lot of stuff, and you can

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Speaker 7: drug them up and get away with things a lot better. Here,

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Speaker 7: they're gonna have to be out and open. They gotta

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Speaker 7: go through this course. They're gonna have to back up.

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Speaker 7: They're gonna have to lope. They're gotta walk trot. The

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Speaker 7: they're off, you know, you can kind of see. They

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Speaker 7: some pull noodles and things that would spook or book

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Speaker 7: but they've already done it before they're allowed to come

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Speaker 7: It could buy their feeds if they're gonna kick her.

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Speaker 7: So those things ought to be preapproved in the catalog mules.

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Speaker 7: If it's a catalog mule and you buy it and

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Speaker 7: there's something wrong with it, mister Johnny, and then we'll

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Speaker 7: make you take it back. You have to pay it,

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Speaker 7: so you kind of have a not a long time guarantee,

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Speaker 7: but you have a guarantee if something happens, like in

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Speaker 2: I'm still trying to figure out who's here at this cell.

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Speaker 2: I step outside and I see some young fellas riding

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Speaker 6: I stop and talk to them. Where are you from?

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Speaker 8: Are at City, Oklahoma?

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Speaker 6: Why are y'all selling these mules?

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Speaker 4: Yes?

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Speaker 5: Are they? Are they?

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Speaker 6: Is this mule yours?

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Speaker 5: Yes?

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Speaker 8: Or she is? She's eight years old and been hogging

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Speaker 2: So when you sell this mule for the high high

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Speaker 2: selling mule and you make twenty grand, what are you

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Speaker 8: Probably go buy me a trick.

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Speaker 6: He's full of it, isn't he.

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Speaker 5: Yeah?

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Speaker 6: Now, y'all, are all these mules y'all worked?

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Speaker 1: Yes?

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Speaker 6: Yeah? Have you done this before? Have you raised up

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Speaker 6: a mule and sold them? Yes, sir?

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Speaker 8: I got two more in the sale, and I've bring

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Speaker 8: one up here almost every year and I sell them.

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Speaker 6: How old are you?

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Speaker 8: I'm fifteen.

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Speaker 6: How long you've been doing that for about five years?

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Speaker 6: What do you hope to get for this meal that

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Speaker 6: you're on right now, hopefully nine thousand old. For real,

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Speaker 6: you think it's worth nine thousand? I hope she is.

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Speaker 8: I think she is.

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Speaker 6: Really.

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Speaker 2: You can learn a lot about a group of people

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Speaker 2: So time in the saddle equals money. But you've got

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Speaker 6: What's the like? Prim prim mule? For age?

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Speaker 5: Color?

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Speaker 6: What the mule?

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Speaker 2: That is the top sailing mule on Saturday? What do

440
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Speaker 2: you predict it's gonna be?

441
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Speaker 1: The age has crept up over the years, but I

442
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Speaker 1: predicted to be over five or older, probably not over

443
00:19:31,440 --> 00:19:34,359
Speaker 1: ten or twelve. As a rule, the mule is gonna

444
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Speaker 1: stand fourteen three to fifteen one weigh one thousand pounds

445
00:19:38,760 --> 00:19:41,080
Speaker 1: and ask it. You ask it to do it, it does it.

446
00:19:41,080 --> 00:19:43,000
Speaker 1: It's gonna loap off right over its tracks if you

447
00:19:43,000 --> 00:19:46,320
Speaker 1: want it to. It's gonna ride, maybe not exactly pretty

448
00:19:46,320 --> 00:19:48,600
Speaker 1: one handed, graining ride, but it's gonna ride between the

449
00:19:48,600 --> 00:19:50,600
Speaker 1: bright rangs. For what I mean by that is for them,

450
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Speaker 1: it's gonna stay neck, is gonna stay between your bright

451
00:19:52,960 --> 00:19:55,600
Speaker 1: rings where it's at, and it's gonna work off your legs.

452
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Speaker 1: Look to some degree, be a gentle, very kind eye

453
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Speaker 1: on it. Just a nice meal.

454
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Speaker 6: I mean, what about the colors? Color means anything?

455
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Speaker 1: No, it means absolutely nothing to me. It's us to

456
00:20:08,520 --> 00:20:10,760
Speaker 1: some people. It does to some people, and I get it,

457
00:20:10,800 --> 00:20:13,520
Speaker 1: I understand it. My thing is in My older brother

458
00:20:13,560 --> 00:20:15,520
Speaker 1: taught me this one. He said, look at one with

459
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Speaker 1: color as if it had no color, and would you

460
00:20:18,080 --> 00:20:18,480
Speaker 1: still buy?

461
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Speaker 2: Color doesn't mean much? And some even think that solid

462
00:20:23,160 --> 00:20:25,800
Speaker 2: mules you're better. But it's kind of like the vanity

463
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Speaker 2: of picking a car color. But if you're buying a mule,

464
00:20:29,000 --> 00:20:32,320
Speaker 2: you know, why not get one you like? And flashy mules,

465
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Speaker 2: which are ones that aren't solid but are multi colored,

466
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Speaker 2: often having some wide add on, often sell better at auction.

467
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Speaker 2: Mules are measured in hands, and one hand is equivalent

468
00:20:43,440 --> 00:20:46,359
Speaker 2: to four inches, so a fifteen hand mule is sixty

469
00:20:46,400 --> 00:20:49,080
Speaker 2: inches at the top of the shoulder. A mule can

470
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Speaker 2: be ridden at two or three years old, but it

471
00:20:51,240 --> 00:20:55,000
Speaker 2: reaches its prime often around eight years old, and has

472
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Speaker 2: a long working life, stretching to over twenty five years.

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Speaker 6: Mules can live longer than horses.

474
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Speaker 2: I once asking old coon hunter in Arkansas how long

475
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Speaker 2: he'd been married. He paused for a minute and he said, well,

476
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Speaker 2: I got my mule the year that we got married,

477
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Speaker 2: and that mule died just a couple of years ago,

478
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Speaker 2: when it was fifty four years old. Yeah, so I've

479
00:21:18,119 --> 00:21:22,600
Speaker 2: been married fifty seven years. That's a long time for

480
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Speaker 2: a mule to live and a long time to be married.

481
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Speaker 2: But I think we're getting ahead of ourselves here. Do

482
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Speaker 2: you even know what a mule is? This is Johnny Kelso,

483
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Speaker 2: Justin's father. He's kind of a legend in the mule community,

484
00:21:37,960 --> 00:21:39,840
Speaker 2: and he's been at this for a long time.

485
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Speaker 3: Well, a mule is a cross between a female horse

486
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Speaker 3: and a male donkey, and that gets the best of

487
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Speaker 3: both worlds. I would say, I don't care about a

488
00:21:55,840 --> 00:21:58,919
Speaker 3: donkey or a horse. But when you blind them together,

489
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Speaker 3: I like it real good. They've been used and known

490
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Speaker 3: for years. As far as a kindergarten knowing about it,

491
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Speaker 3: I'm not sure most of them think. If you drive

492
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Speaker 3: a pair of mules in a parade, they think.

493
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Speaker 4: They're all horses.

494
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Speaker 3: And I will tell them to look at the ears.

495
00:22:14,920 --> 00:22:18,359
Speaker 3: The ears are longer. The first thing you notice the

496
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Speaker 3: unique characteristics of a meal is to what you can

497
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Speaker 3: do with one. You can get the job done with ease,

498
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Speaker 3: with less feed, with less vet bills, They live longer,

499
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Speaker 3: and the list goes on. It's the economics that makes

500
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Speaker 3: a mule.

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Speaker 1: But that same year you get a let's say, a

502
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Speaker 1: fifteen hundred pound horse in the field working a mule

503
00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:49,520
Speaker 1: weigh twelve fifty or thirteen hundred to do the same

504
00:22:49,560 --> 00:22:54,040
Speaker 1: work well. Gas consumption of flat better term on a

505
00:22:54,080 --> 00:22:57,240
Speaker 1: mule or a horse is not based on how efficient

506
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Speaker 1: the engine is. It's based on a body. Where you

507
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Speaker 1: feed an animal a percentage of your body weight. So

508
00:23:02,200 --> 00:23:04,159
Speaker 1: if this mule weighs less than that horse does, I

509
00:23:04,200 --> 00:23:06,400
Speaker 1: got to feed them less, get less of a here

510
00:23:06,480 --> 00:23:09,480
Speaker 1: to haul off. It's just it's less work in the

511
00:23:09,480 --> 00:23:11,320
Speaker 1: grant skip and he's in the same amount of same

512
00:23:11,359 --> 00:23:14,399
Speaker 1: amount of work, so more more work per pound of

513
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Speaker 1: that trap.

514
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Speaker 6: Ecline flesh that trap.

515
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Speaker 2: I wanted to ask Max Bishop how mules compared to horses.

516
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Speaker 5: They've got stronger feet.

517
00:23:26,840 --> 00:23:28,440
Speaker 7: You know, if you're out in the rockies, in the

518
00:23:28,480 --> 00:23:30,680
Speaker 7: high country, you're after sheep hunting or all cutting or something.

519
00:23:30,800 --> 00:23:32,439
Speaker 7: You throw a shoe on a horse that might go

520
00:23:32,640 --> 00:23:34,760
Speaker 7: bad lane before you get back in. The mule probably

521
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Speaker 7: never notice. They eat less, They live and work probably

522
00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:42,400
Speaker 7: ten years longer than a horse. Their cardio is insane.

523
00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:44,879
Speaker 7: So you take two of the best horses you can

524
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Speaker 7: find out on a ranch and I'm gonna wear them out,

525
00:23:47,240 --> 00:23:49,200
Speaker 7: you know, just cardio.

526
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Speaker 5: Was I think.

527
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Speaker 7: I think they get more of their skeletal structure from

528
00:23:52,119 --> 00:23:54,520
Speaker 7: the horse, but they get the muscle structure more.

529
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Speaker 5: For the donkey on average musto them.

530
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Speaker 7: If you're up in the mountains, you're climbing, you're climbing

531
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Speaker 7: hills or something, and let's say it's real sketchy, the horse's.

532
00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:05,399
Speaker 5: Answer is gonna be I'm gonna throw the gas to it.

533
00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:06,680
Speaker 7: I'm gonna try to get to the top, and it's

534
00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:09,720
Speaker 7: either gonna look really good, or it's gonna flip over.

535
00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:12,639
Speaker 7: The mule is gonna want to downshift and pick its feet,

536
00:24:12,840 --> 00:24:15,320
Speaker 7: climb up, spear end, get on its knees if it

537
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Speaker 7: has to.

538
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Speaker 1: And they're more full of drop.

539
00:24:17,920 --> 00:24:20,679
Speaker 5: Minded on the average. And then a mule, if you look.

540
00:24:20,520 --> 00:24:22,440
Speaker 7: At its eyes, it's set out more on the side

541
00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:26,200
Speaker 7: like a donkey instead of more forward. So the horse

542
00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:28,760
Speaker 7: sees two feet at a time. It seize the left

543
00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:30,200
Speaker 7: side of the right side of the mule can see

544
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Speaker 7: all four feet at the same time. So it gives

545
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Speaker 7: them an advantage of a little where they see when

546
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Speaker 7: they know they can see where they're putting.

547
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Speaker 1: The foot.

548
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Speaker 5: There.

549
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Speaker 1: And they endure too.

550
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Speaker 3: I mean they're just a hybrid between the dulky and

551
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Speaker 3: the horse, and they're and they endure.

552
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Speaker 5: They just do.

553
00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:53,480
Speaker 3: They take care of drought situations. They can stand the

554
00:24:53,560 --> 00:24:57,400
Speaker 3: heat better. They were used all through the South through

555
00:24:57,440 --> 00:25:00,359
Speaker 3: the years, and more horses than the noise, and that

556
00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:01,960
Speaker 3: had something to do with a climate.

557
00:25:02,040 --> 00:25:02,760
Speaker 1: Duck guess.

558
00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:05,919
Speaker 3: But the meals have been used in the United States

559
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Speaker 3: for a long time.

560
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Speaker 1: The common Knowledgy, the first Jack's brought to America, was

561
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Speaker 1: gifted to George Washington by the King of Spain. He

562
00:25:15,359 --> 00:25:18,560
Speaker 1: was gifted too. They weren't mammoth donkeys, they were mammo sized.

563
00:25:18,600 --> 00:25:21,320
Speaker 1: It's a different breed, the longer hair, I think curlier is.

564
00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:23,400
Speaker 1: It's a Spanish type donkey.

565
00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:27,560
Speaker 2: It's believed that the first jack donkeys arrived in America

566
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Speaker 2: in seventeen eighty five to produce our first mules.

567
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Speaker 6: But why mules? There's more.

568
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Speaker 1: Part of it is their temperament both ways. One is

569
00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:40,280
Speaker 1: the safety of it. If you're going to the mountains,

570
00:25:40,520 --> 00:25:42,680
Speaker 1: they're more sure fitted like their daddy was. You can't

571
00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:45,320
Speaker 1: hardly knock a donkey down. So they get their shere

572
00:25:45,359 --> 00:25:47,280
Speaker 1: food and it's from daddy. Because like we was talking earlier,

573
00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:49,160
Speaker 1: their shoulders are more in narrow, so you got less

574
00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:51,639
Speaker 1: replacement for their feet, and they walk more in the

575
00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:54,080
Speaker 1: lateral motions, so they can go where a goat goes

576
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Speaker 1: almost you know, because there where a horse stays out

577
00:25:56,280 --> 00:25:59,200
Speaker 1: square on the corners, which makes a horse in a

578
00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:03,240
Speaker 1: way more stable in some ways. For for opening performance

579
00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:05,560
Speaker 1: SAT kinds, they got more muscle and more masks to them.

580
00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:10,480
Speaker 1: The mule is leaner by comparison, my opinion, they're more

581
00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:13,199
Speaker 1: comfortable to ride as far as just the way the

582
00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:16,200
Speaker 1: saddle feels moving underneath you going trail riding, especially in

583
00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:19,240
Speaker 1: the rough country, is more comfortable on your whole body,

584
00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:21,359
Speaker 1: just based on the way a mule moves versus the

585
00:26:21,359 --> 00:26:24,400
Speaker 1: way horse moves. But some people don't want the mule

586
00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:28,520
Speaker 1: because they don't like the quote unquote stubborness. You almost

587
00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:31,560
Speaker 1: got to think a little harder sometimes riding that proper mule.

588
00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:34,800
Speaker 1: But people in the mountains on them for safety and endurance,

589
00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:36,679
Speaker 1: buy and large. You can get a little more out

590
00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:39,080
Speaker 1: of the mule without killing it. You can kill a

591
00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:41,159
Speaker 1: horse by you can run a horse to death. You

592
00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:43,359
Speaker 1: can't hardly kill them. I mean it's really hard to

593
00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:44,120
Speaker 1: ride them hard.

594
00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:48,080
Speaker 6: Enough to kill it. Yeah, go away mechanisms inside of them.

595
00:26:48,119 --> 00:26:50,000
Speaker 1: And it's the same with a feed. We keep a

596
00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:51,960
Speaker 1: lot of mules on feed in the wintertime. We sell

597
00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:54,760
Speaker 1: mules Lamish sell probably one hundred and fifty head a

598
00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:56,480
Speaker 1: year up there, So we go through a lot of

599
00:26:56,480 --> 00:26:58,840
Speaker 1: feeding on and we're gonna try off out for one

600
00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:02,439
Speaker 1: though we bought to be but three eight bells the mules.

601
00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:05,600
Speaker 1: We couldn't keep bedding to them because the protein so

602
00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:08,440
Speaker 1: much in an alfalfa. They knew they didn't need that much.

603
00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:10,560
Speaker 1: They eat the straw we bed them with, and the

604
00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:13,760
Speaker 1: hay lasted probably fifty percent longer than a normal grass

605
00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:17,000
Speaker 1: mail would, But they knew they had to absorb some

606
00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:18,960
Speaker 1: of that protein with something else for a horse or

607
00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:22,280
Speaker 1: the gorse itself on the alfalfa them. If I'm gonna

608
00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:24,920
Speaker 1: go cowboy all day, no, I know I probably need

609
00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:27,480
Speaker 1: that good bread cow horse that knows what he's done,

610
00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:29,560
Speaker 1: knows how to work a rope and all that. Can

611
00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:31,800
Speaker 1: I do it on my mule, yes I can. But

612
00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:34,479
Speaker 1: if you say we're gonna go hunting now with this fall,

613
00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:37,439
Speaker 1: I'm you're probably gonna get me on that horse. It's

614
00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:38,840
Speaker 1: fall gonna cost you money to make me ride a

615
00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:40,399
Speaker 1: horse up in the mountains. Sure, it's gonna take that

616
00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:43,800
Speaker 1: good bread cow horse up there. But my mule, yeah,

617
00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:48,160
Speaker 1: it's it's bred into him genetically to handle that brofer train.

618
00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:51,200
Speaker 1: And one another difference on a mule and horse. And

619
00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:53,280
Speaker 1: that's why I tell a lot of people. They'll ask

620
00:27:53,359 --> 00:27:56,520
Speaker 1: me what's the difference, I said, riding them wise, I said,

621
00:27:56,560 --> 00:27:59,320
Speaker 1: you could have mew and horse, start them the same way,

622
00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:01,600
Speaker 1: have the same I ride both of them and they

623
00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:04,280
Speaker 1: respond to everything just a lot. That's the difference, says

624
00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:06,760
Speaker 1: I said. If that trash bag that's one hundred yards

625
00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:09,760
Speaker 1: out there, that horse might not seeckly gets ten yards away.

626
00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:11,280
Speaker 1: That mule said it when he stepped down even one

627
00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:12,960
Speaker 1: hundred yards. He's watching.

628
00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:13,439
Speaker 4: He knows what.

629
00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:15,080
Speaker 1: He may not. He might not spook at it, but

630
00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:17,359
Speaker 1: he's already seen it. Yeah, and that's a that's a

631
00:28:17,359 --> 00:28:19,320
Speaker 1: bear out there. I'm confident that's a grizzly bear and

632
00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:21,199
Speaker 1: he's gonna eat me, you know what I mean. So

633
00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:23,320
Speaker 1: he may not be scared to get eaten. He may

634
00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:25,320
Speaker 1: walk right by it, but he's seen it, he knows

635
00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:25,840
Speaker 1: where it's at.

636
00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:26,600
Speaker 5: Yeah.

637
00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:30,040
Speaker 1: But mules are more of a there by far more

638
00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:33,240
Speaker 1: of a one person type animal versus a horse. And

639
00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:35,760
Speaker 1: it's almost a mental thing there there more apt to

640
00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:40,560
Speaker 1: be just more have to be yours where a horse

641
00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:43,400
Speaker 1: to be years is. I mean you, yes, you get

642
00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:46,000
Speaker 1: that one horse special might do that little extra for you,

643
00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:48,280
Speaker 1: but we'll still do everything very except meal is more

644
00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:51,040
Speaker 1: apt to do something for the person they like the most. Yeah,

645
00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:54,920
Speaker 1: I step on a mule that's broke, and when I

646
00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:57,760
Speaker 1: step on it with a you say authority confidence, whatever

647
00:28:57,920 --> 00:29:00,320
Speaker 1: whatever term you want to use it. They may not

648
00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:02,680
Speaker 1: check me very hard that my chick may be well,

649
00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:04,640
Speaker 1: I gotta, you know, encourage a little more to leave

650
00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:07,160
Speaker 1: the barn. Whatever the case is. You put an office

651
00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:08,720
Speaker 1: on it, don't eith Maybe get a little fear in

652
00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:10,800
Speaker 1: them because they don't know the mule. That mean wan

653
00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:13,400
Speaker 1: my buck with them, whereas a horse you're not gonna

654
00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:15,440
Speaker 1: have that. That horse gonna buck with me too, It's

655
00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:16,200
Speaker 1: not gonna Just so.

656
00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:19,760
Speaker 6: There's there's more predictability in a horse.

657
00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:21,960
Speaker 1: I think so. And he goes back to that quote

658
00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:25,680
Speaker 1: unquote stubborness of that mule's self preservation that if I

659
00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:27,200
Speaker 1: book him off, I don't have to do this.

660
00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:28,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know what I mean.

661
00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:31,080
Speaker 1: But me was also smart enough. No, Hey, this guy here,

662
00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:33,240
Speaker 1: he's sitting pretty firm in that saddle. I bet I

663
00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:33,960
Speaker 1: can't shake him.

664
00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:37,760
Speaker 6: So, just to summarize what you're saying, because it's really interesting,

665
00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:38,640
Speaker 6: if you.

666
00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:42,720
Speaker 2: Have a good broke horse, you could put a kid

667
00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:46,240
Speaker 2: on there, or your grandma or the best cowboy in

668
00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:48,840
Speaker 2: the country, and that horse is probably gonna treat them

669
00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:49,280
Speaker 2: the same.

670
00:29:49,560 --> 00:29:49,760
Speaker 1: Same.

671
00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:52,800
Speaker 6: If you take a twenty thousand dollars mule.

672
00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:55,160
Speaker 1: Yep, that twenty thousand dollars mule be just like that

673
00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:57,640
Speaker 1: horse is well, okay, so that's why I'm saying that

674
00:29:57,760 --> 00:29:58,479
Speaker 1: mule all right.

675
00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:01,640
Speaker 6: So maybe my, my, my, my example is not the best.

676
00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:03,560
Speaker 4: No, it is because it's kind of the point.

677
00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:08,760
Speaker 2: It's not a straightforward answer on which is better a

678
00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:11,600
Speaker 2: mule or a horse. It really matters what you're doing

679
00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:15,360
Speaker 2: and your experience level. What makes a mule special is

680
00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:18,080
Speaker 2: also the thing that can make them more difficult than

681
00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:20,640
Speaker 2: a horse. And going back to the question of why

682
00:30:20,760 --> 00:30:23,560
Speaker 2: there are probably twenty times as many horses as mules,

683
00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:27,200
Speaker 2: it's partly because horses are just easier to get along with,

684
00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:31,320
Speaker 2: but it's also because mules are sterile, meaning they can't

685
00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:35,240
Speaker 2: have offspring, so they're just harder to make. But to

686
00:30:35,320 --> 00:30:39,000
Speaker 2: summarize why people love mules, it's that a good one

687
00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:43,600
Speaker 2: is the safest, most comfortable ride in rough country period.

688
00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:45,880
Speaker 2: I've heard it said that you can train a horse

689
00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:48,320
Speaker 2: to run off a cliff, but a mule has so

690
00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:52,400
Speaker 2: much self protection in it often viewed as stubbornness, and

691
00:30:52,520 --> 00:30:55,560
Speaker 2: he ain't running off no cliff. So the safest place

692
00:30:55,640 --> 00:30:59,000
Speaker 2: to be is ride in that saddle and just to

693
00:30:59,080 --> 00:31:01,840
Speaker 2: be honest about it. A bad mule can be a

694
00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:06,520
Speaker 2: much bigger outlaw than a bad horse. It's complicated, but

695
00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:09,600
Speaker 2: I think Johnny probably sums it up best right here.

696
00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:15,200
Speaker 3: If you're a mule person and you enjoy mules, you're

697
00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:18,480
Speaker 3: going to know that feeling and all those answers. But

698
00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:21,600
Speaker 3: it's hard to explain to your horse people.

699
00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:23,800
Speaker 5: But if your horse people.

700
00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:25,960
Speaker 3: Ever get bit by the bug and they get them

701
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:29,440
Speaker 3: a mule, then they can't explain it to their buddies either.

702
00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:32,960
Speaker 3: It's just a mule fame. We've thought about getting some

703
00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:35,560
Speaker 3: T shirt sometimes, you know, it's just a mule fan.

704
00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:48,120
Speaker 1: Insurance is high in today's world, my one.

705
00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:50,440
Speaker 6: You can ride tomorrow with confidence. Right there.

706
00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:07,040
Speaker 2: The Kelsos have had a lot of time to develop

707
00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:10,520
Speaker 2: their opinions on mules. Here's some family history.

708
00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:16,680
Speaker 1: Kelso's come from Scotland through Ireland Appalachians. To our knowledge,

709
00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:18,640
Speaker 1: they didn't stay in the Carolina's long. They come straight

710
00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:21,280
Speaker 1: to West Kentucky because they got here right around the

711
00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:23,760
Speaker 1: Jackson purchase time, which has been the eighteen twenties during

712
00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:26,680
Speaker 1: the New Indian Removal Act, when Andrew Jackson bought.

713
00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:29,240
Speaker 4: The typical western tip of Kentucky. JB.

714
00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:31,760
Speaker 1: Kelse and his dad moved back there. JB fought the

715
00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:34,800
Speaker 1: Civil War and I sent you a picture through texts

716
00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:37,600
Speaker 1: of him holding a big black, white nose jack. He

717
00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:40,720
Speaker 1: finished the Civil War on top of Lookout Mountain. Come back,

718
00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:43,240
Speaker 1: and a lot of dark fire to back that was grown.

719
00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:46,080
Speaker 1: It still is grown right there where we're out. In

720
00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:48,880
Speaker 1: the winter time. He would haul he drive six mules

721
00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:51,200
Speaker 1: go to Banuka to the river front, hauling back up there,

722
00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:52,760
Speaker 1: and they bring dry goods back to all the little

723
00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:54,720
Speaker 1: country stores that were three or four.

724
00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:55,520
Speaker 4: Miles apart in the area.

725
00:32:56,120 --> 00:32:58,760
Speaker 1: So mules has been our family since and ever since

726
00:32:58,840 --> 00:33:01,840
Speaker 1: we've always had mules. By great grandaddy traded a little bit.

727
00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:05,440
Speaker 1: He raised family. My great grandmother died very young, so

728
00:33:05,560 --> 00:33:08,360
Speaker 1: he raised four kids and he would borro and trade.

729
00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:09,840
Speaker 4: But he would trade mules.

730
00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:13,480
Speaker 1: And back then you had you know, this is even

731
00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:15,240
Speaker 1: up to the sixties, you had a lot of people,

732
00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:18,320
Speaker 1: especially our country in the back country, still using mules

733
00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:22,720
Speaker 1: for agriculture purposes. So you had a lot of undesirable mules,

734
00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:26,080
Speaker 1: horses that would the slaughter. He would buy slaughter mules

735
00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:28,680
Speaker 1: to feed hogs with. And he had a mule that

736
00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:30,680
Speaker 1: he would use to skin those mules with. He would

737
00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:33,520
Speaker 1: hook that single tree to the hide, and she was

738
00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:34,560
Speaker 1: broken enough he could tell her.

739
00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:36,680
Speaker 6: To buy mules to feed his hogs.

740
00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:39,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, because he could give three to four dollars for

741
00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:41,880
Speaker 1: the meal skin the mew once he needed hog feed,

742
00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:44,480
Speaker 1: because that's the feed that holds itself. It won't go

743
00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:47,920
Speaker 1: bad laws it's living, so it's fresh meat for the hogs.

744
00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:49,520
Speaker 1: And people that don't know hogs, I mean, you've been

745
00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:52,080
Speaker 1: around enough. Wht holes don't eat anything. I mean they're

746
00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:53,920
Speaker 1: worse than the goat. I mean they're gonna eat anything.

747
00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:56,880
Speaker 1: And he would hook that single tree in that hide

748
00:33:56,880 --> 00:33:59,080
Speaker 1: as he's skinning this mule, and he would tell her

749
00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:00,800
Speaker 1: to ease up, and she would lean in the collar,

750
00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:03,560
Speaker 1: not step lean and keep pressure.

751
00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:05,200
Speaker 4: On that on that hide. So he cut it away.

752
00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:08,480
Speaker 4: But anyway, so my granddaddy grew up. When he was

753
00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:10,439
Speaker 4: a little boy and his daddy brought the first car home.

754
00:34:10,680 --> 00:34:13,400
Speaker 4: He was mad, he's, daddy, how in the world we're

755
00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:15,279
Speaker 4: gonna hook a horse up to this thing. I mean,

756
00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:17,919
Speaker 4: we just had that ingrained in us all our life,

757
00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:21,239
Speaker 4: you know. And then dad always traded livestock, farmed grew

758
00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:25,640
Speaker 4: hay grew tobacco, worked local sail bar and traded whatever anything.

759
00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:29,560
Speaker 1: And this had been seventy nine. My granddad was visiting

760
00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:32,400
Speaker 1: the army buddy in Montana and they were out somewhere.

761
00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:34,719
Speaker 1: I don't know how they come back. This guy got

762
00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:36,799
Speaker 1: talked to him. Back then, if you wanted a mule,

763
00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:40,319
Speaker 1: you had to get at least to Missouri East to find.

764
00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:42,560
Speaker 1: I mean that's not Center wasn't out layer of breeders,

765
00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:44,680
Speaker 1: but for the most part, all the mules were in

766
00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:48,719
Speaker 1: the East. And he said, I need these mules. You know,

767
00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:51,279
Speaker 1: may get them. So yeah, my son can, dude, and

768
00:34:52,200 --> 00:34:54,760
Speaker 1: he backed out. Dad ended up going to Bishop, California

769
00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:57,200
Speaker 1: in nineteen seventy nine the first time, and it just

770
00:34:57,239 --> 00:34:59,960
Speaker 1: steam rolled from there, you know. Just we were trade

771
00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:02,560
Speaker 1: horses and cattle. Dad was there all through the eighties

772
00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:04,920
Speaker 1: and I mean I still remember him trading cattle through

773
00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:07,840
Speaker 1: the late eighties. But as time went on, it was

774
00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:10,680
Speaker 1: specialized more mules, and it was a niche market, but

775
00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:14,520
Speaker 1: it's what we pursued because you didn't have a lot

776
00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:16,160
Speaker 1: of guys trading just mules.

777
00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:17,880
Speaker 6: See, y'all became known for mules.

778
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:20,759
Speaker 1: Yes, Counsel yes, sir, me and my granddaddy's a great

779
00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:23,560
Speaker 1: granddaddy was J. B. Kelso, James bethdon Kelso, but he

780
00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:26,680
Speaker 1: was the first Kelso. We know they had mules, and

781
00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:29,640
Speaker 1: every generation since sins had mules, just something either made

782
00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:31,160
Speaker 1: a living farming with him or made to live in

783
00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:34,000
Speaker 1: trade them one or two. And I'm the seventh generation

784
00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:38,200
Speaker 1: So and my kids they messed with mules. Son, but

785
00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:39,400
Speaker 1: not Jodie's boy.

786
00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:40,000
Speaker 4: He'll be the eight.

787
00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:43,319
Speaker 1: Generation right now that he's graduated college with a business act,

788
00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:44,840
Speaker 1: business career and he's trading mules.

789
00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:48,520
Speaker 4: So he's eighth generation and out.

790
00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:48,960
Speaker 5: Lie far Ago.

791
00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:54,759
Speaker 2: I think Justin is underselling his kids. You remember the

792
00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:57,480
Speaker 2: story of his son, Jack Rope and that guy. But

793
00:35:57,640 --> 00:36:00,120
Speaker 2: his daughter is a heck of a rider and as

794
00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:02,960
Speaker 2: tough as nails too. I heard a story where a

795
00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:05,560
Speaker 2: few years ago that she got kicked by a mule

796
00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:09,120
Speaker 2: just before the auction, but rode the mule in the

797
00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:12,200
Speaker 2: arena that she was trying to sell and she sold it.

798
00:36:13,120 --> 00:36:15,839
Speaker 2: After that, she finally went to the hospital and found

799
00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:19,960
Speaker 2: that she had a lacerated liver. That's tough as nails, boys,

800
00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:24,040
Speaker 2: But we still haven't really learned how the Kelso's got

801
00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:27,320
Speaker 2: into this aid of mule sell. It's a very interesting

802
00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:31,120
Speaker 2: story that involves selling mules into Old Mexico.

803
00:36:33,120 --> 00:36:36,200
Speaker 1: There was a guy named George Wynn from this area.

804
00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:38,279
Speaker 1: Hesh lived north here, I think, but he was an

805
00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:41,279
Speaker 1: older guy and he dealt with the Mexicans that would

806
00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:44,320
Speaker 1: come up and trade racehorses one time. This is a

807
00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:46,440
Speaker 1: race coarter horse, racehorse capital the world, right or no

808
00:36:46,520 --> 00:36:48,040
Speaker 1: calmut selling. You're going to have a track. You used

809
00:36:48,040 --> 00:36:49,520
Speaker 1: to have a track of sell sow the tracks still there.

810
00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:51,680
Speaker 1: I'm not even sure they racehorses there anymore, but a

811
00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:54,480
Speaker 1: lot of those horses raised in this area, and they'd

812
00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:56,640
Speaker 1: have a good quarter horse, sell in a shawne ol'cloma

813
00:36:56,680 --> 00:36:59,080
Speaker 1: called the triangle sell three days sailing heat up his

814
00:36:59,160 --> 00:37:02,399
Speaker 1: buddies get their horse sold to these Mexicans. I don't

815
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:05,480
Speaker 1: know this for a fact. Probably that you call them

816
00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:07,719
Speaker 1: cartel now more likely. I don't know that they traded drows,

817
00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:10,120
Speaker 1: but it was there, had a lot of money, That's

818
00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:12,000
Speaker 1: what I'm trying to say it. I'm confident it probably

819
00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:17,080
Speaker 1: wasn't allegal. Yeah, but George with his ties, we were

820
00:37:17,120 --> 00:37:20,359
Speaker 1: selling mules, sending into Mexico some teams and stuff draft

821
00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:23,360
Speaker 1: mules down to their some plantations and stuff, and they

822
00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:24,040
Speaker 1: would use the mules.

823
00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:25,360
Speaker 5: I don't I don't know why they used them.

824
00:37:25,520 --> 00:37:27,240
Speaker 1: I was just a kid at the time, barely probably

825
00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:29,080
Speaker 1: enough drive, maybe starting for us.

826
00:37:29,160 --> 00:37:32,960
Speaker 2: So these Mexican guys were coming here to buy racehorses

827
00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:35,440
Speaker 2: when they found y'all and said, hey, we need mules too,

828
00:37:35,560 --> 00:37:38,759
Speaker 2: And so y'all started selling mules to these high dollar guys,

829
00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:39,360
Speaker 2: taking them back to the.

830
00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:42,000
Speaker 1: Money they went through. George never met them. We actually sold.

831
00:37:42,520 --> 00:37:44,360
Speaker 1: George called Dad one time because we sent a lot

832
00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:45,800
Speaker 1: of man the jack stand there to bring some of

833
00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:48,359
Speaker 1: their marriors that raised their own mules. And he called, ease,

834
00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:51,600
Speaker 1: I need a sixteen hand white jack, not a great jack.

835
00:37:51,640 --> 00:37:55,040
Speaker 1: A white jack. Dad called everybody he knew in the

836
00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:56,920
Speaker 1: United States trying to find it. Say, I mean one

837
00:37:56,960 --> 00:37:59,680
Speaker 1: of the sixteen hand jack in the late eighties was

838
00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:03,240
Speaker 1: tough to find anyway, bling alone a white sixteen andred.

839
00:38:03,239 --> 00:38:03,839
Speaker 6: That's a big jack.

840
00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:06,240
Speaker 1: Yes, that's a huge anyway. So this jack, Dad finally

841
00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:08,319
Speaker 1: finds me. It's forty five miles from our house. They

842
00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:10,960
Speaker 1: got raised jack stock. This jack end up going to

843
00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:13,240
Speaker 1: the Mexico City University as a mascot.

844
00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:19,880
Speaker 2: The stories just keep getting more interesting. I bet you

845
00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:22,880
Speaker 2: wouldn't have guessed that these guys were potentially selling mules

846
00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:26,760
Speaker 2: to the cartel. Hard to say, but this guy, George

847
00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:30,800
Speaker 2: Wynn got the Kelso's, who are from Kentucky selling mules

848
00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:35,000
Speaker 2: in the Ada, Oklahoma area. Johnny Kelso actually had multiple

849
00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:38,160
Speaker 2: mule sales across the country at one time, but today

850
00:38:38,560 --> 00:38:40,320
Speaker 2: they've settled in on Ada.

851
00:38:41,239 --> 00:38:45,200
Speaker 3: Eight, Oklahoma is a nice little town. It's real centrally located,

852
00:38:46,160 --> 00:38:49,080
Speaker 3: like the people that lived in the West, and I'm

853
00:38:49,120 --> 00:38:52,560
Speaker 3: saying west, like Utah and Colorado.

854
00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:53,840
Speaker 5: A lot of them people there.

855
00:38:53,719 --> 00:38:56,160
Speaker 3: They could drive in there in the day and that

856
00:38:56,320 --> 00:38:59,880
Speaker 3: makes it better for him. And we've been I've been

857
00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:03,719
Speaker 3: doing business there since ninety three, two sales a year,

858
00:39:04,280 --> 00:39:07,000
Speaker 3: and we just keep a having it because we've made

859
00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:10,840
Speaker 3: so many friends contacts up there. There's people in that

860
00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:13,319
Speaker 3: country and a lot of people from Texas that comes

861
00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:18,080
Speaker 3: up there and their families, couples that say, we take

862
00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:22,000
Speaker 3: our vacations and come here and they camp and visit

863
00:39:22,120 --> 00:39:26,080
Speaker 3: with other people, and I just kind of hate not

864
00:39:26,200 --> 00:39:29,560
Speaker 3: to have it. Really, I've made so many friends over

865
00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:33,320
Speaker 3: the years and don't want to quit. I could, but

866
00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:33,919
Speaker 3: I don't want.

867
00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:37,600
Speaker 2: I asked Justin why mules seem to be in such

868
00:39:37,680 --> 00:39:40,800
Speaker 2: demand right now. I was surprised by his answer.

869
00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:45,960
Speaker 1: Part of it is nobody's breaking these things anymore, starting

870
00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:49,120
Speaker 1: them as a as a hobbyer, even as a job.

871
00:39:49,800 --> 00:39:51,759
Speaker 1: They're doing it. There's trainers that I'm not saying that.

872
00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:53,040
Speaker 5: Part of it is.

873
00:39:54,680 --> 00:39:57,960
Speaker 1: We've made our kids softer. That's just a fact. I mean. Now,

874
00:39:57,960 --> 00:40:00,439
Speaker 1: I see like this generation coming up now a little

875
00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:02,239
Speaker 1: grittier than they was. And I'm not saying there's not

876
00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:04,120
Speaker 1: some thirty year old gritty kids out there. I'm not

877
00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:08,320
Speaker 1: meaning it that way, but because my kids all rodeoed

878
00:40:08,360 --> 00:40:10,320
Speaker 1: and watch these kids grow up, and there's some gritty

879
00:40:10,360 --> 00:40:11,879
Speaker 1: kids out there, that's all I mean. But as a whole,

880
00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:15,480
Speaker 1: how many kids, all right? How many kids farms that

881
00:40:15,560 --> 00:40:17,319
Speaker 1: you live with or grew up on a farm when

882
00:40:17,320 --> 00:40:19,920
Speaker 1: you was in school? Most of them? How many your

883
00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:23,600
Speaker 1: son bear? How many those? How many of those group

884
00:40:23,640 --> 00:40:27,160
Speaker 1: on are living on a farm. And so that translates

885
00:40:27,160 --> 00:40:27,920
Speaker 1: to the mule world too.

886
00:40:29,040 --> 00:40:31,799
Speaker 2: So you don't have those kids like there's more, there's less,

887
00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:34,440
Speaker 2: there's less or less and more demand.

888
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:37,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, out the demands increased as much as you

889
00:40:37,680 --> 00:40:40,360
Speaker 1: just don't have that quality of animal. And like I

890
00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:41,880
Speaker 1: used to buy a two or three year old, right

891
00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:43,560
Speaker 1: it for six months and reselling them because there will

892
00:40:43,560 --> 00:40:45,359
Speaker 1: be somebody to buy a two year old. That's going good.

893
00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:47,240
Speaker 1: They worked, They used to want to get the bucket

894
00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:49,239
Speaker 1: of it, you know, they didn't want to They didn't

895
00:40:49,239 --> 00:40:50,839
Speaker 1: want to do the rough stuff. They want to train

896
00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:53,760
Speaker 1: it theirself. Well, now everybody works, You work at office,

897
00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:56,160
Speaker 1: you're busier. You know, back then everybody worked on a

898
00:40:56,239 --> 00:40:58,359
Speaker 1: farm or you have them knock off of ups because

899
00:40:58,360 --> 00:41:01,280
Speaker 1: there's raining, go home rides and mules at home or something.

900
00:41:01,520 --> 00:41:06,920
Speaker 6: So is there not like a mule revival though going on? Culturally?

901
00:41:07,120 --> 00:41:07,520
Speaker 4: Oh it is.

902
00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:09,719
Speaker 1: That's reason these older mules are treating so well.

903
00:41:15,120 --> 00:41:17,680
Speaker 2: Going back to the question of why the Kelso's like

904
00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:21,400
Speaker 2: mules better than horses, This story about sums it up.

905
00:41:26,120 --> 00:41:28,480
Speaker 1: When I worked in California in nineteen ninety five, the

906
00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:32,560
Speaker 1: last trip I went on, and I'm bull headed, especially

907
00:41:32,760 --> 00:41:34,759
Speaker 1: and what how way worse billheaded when I was twenty

908
00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:37,200
Speaker 1: one years old and they had a new horse that

909
00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:39,759
Speaker 1: hadn't been in the rocks yet, So any of hem

910
00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:43,239
Speaker 1: rolls the rocks on him. He uh, four or fifth day,

911
00:41:43,520 --> 00:41:46,520
Speaker 1: he's were climbing up on a slick rock, just a

912
00:41:46,680 --> 00:41:49,320
Speaker 1: huge rock, and he slips and falls over backwards on

913
00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:53,560
Speaker 1: me and cracks two ribs, tears ligament in my left knee.

914
00:41:53,719 --> 00:41:56,200
Speaker 1: I get it's a horse. I get flown off that mountain.

915
00:41:57,520 --> 00:41:59,239
Speaker 1: I call my mom and dad the next day when

916
00:41:59,239 --> 00:42:01,719
Speaker 1: I get landed, and I'd just spent the night on

917
00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:03,800
Speaker 1: topic at nine thousand feet in a tent, which is

918
00:42:04,200 --> 00:42:07,959
Speaker 1: so luckily the trip had a bunch of nurses.

919
00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:10,399
Speaker 6: Doctors broke up pretty bad.

920
00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:12,800
Speaker 1: No, not hurt me, but they had enough drugs. I

921
00:42:12,920 --> 00:42:14,760
Speaker 1: think I could have flew off that mount with a helicopter,

922
00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:17,359
Speaker 1: but c XP come in the next day and flew

923
00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:19,320
Speaker 1: me off the mountain. And I called my dad the

924
00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:21,400
Speaker 1: next day to something what happened, and he said, that's

925
00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:23,879
Speaker 1: what you get for riding a blanket horse and hung

926
00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:26,520
Speaker 1: up on me. I'm two thousand miles from home, never

927
00:42:26,600 --> 00:42:28,399
Speaker 1: been that far from home in my life, hadn't seen

928
00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:29,240
Speaker 1: my parents in three.

929
00:42:29,239 --> 00:42:30,880
Speaker 6: He's upset with you for riding a horse and not

930
00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:32,560
Speaker 6: of mules, right, he hung up on me.

931
00:42:33,960 --> 00:42:34,680
Speaker 4: The auction is.

932
00:42:34,760 --> 00:42:38,560
Speaker 2: Coming to a close, and a fine looking Grula colored

933
00:42:38,680 --> 00:42:42,920
Speaker 2: mule named Della enters the arena. Grula is a kind

934
00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:46,720
Speaker 2: of tannish gray or what they call a mouse color,

935
00:42:47,160 --> 00:42:51,240
Speaker 2: which is rare and desirable in a mule. It's a female.

936
00:42:51,400 --> 00:42:53,680
Speaker 2: This is what they call a molly mule, and she's

937
00:42:53,719 --> 00:42:57,919
Speaker 2: out of Missouri. She's fourteen hands tall, ten years old,

938
00:42:58,400 --> 00:43:00,960
Speaker 2: and a young girl in a pink western shirt and

939
00:43:01,080 --> 00:43:05,560
Speaker 2: a huge cowboy hat is riding Della in circles around

940
00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:09,480
Speaker 2: the arena. It looks like she's well broke, safe and

941
00:43:09,640 --> 00:43:12,440
Speaker 2: clearly has what they call a good handle on her.

942
00:43:13,120 --> 00:43:14,839
Speaker 6: The crowd is eating it up.

943
00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:20,799
Speaker 3: I don't care where you gotta go, but you gotta

944
00:43:20,880 --> 00:43:22,120
Speaker 3: find them before you can buy.

945
00:43:25,120 --> 00:43:32,600
Speaker 1: We don't know three and a half years you've done

946
00:43:32,640 --> 00:43:34,280
Speaker 1: bigger and bigger places.

947
00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:38,000
Speaker 8: But I'm right now, God, you are right here.

948
00:43:38,360 --> 00:43:40,680
Speaker 1: If it goes with that's a thirty five.

949
00:43:46,560 --> 00:43:50,360
Speaker 2: You me.

950
00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:52,320
Speaker 4: You don't.

951
00:43:53,880 --> 00:44:09,640
Speaker 2: Get seventeen thou.

952
00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:17,840
Speaker 1: For your wrong.

953
00:44:21,440 --> 00:44:35,000
Speaker 6: E eighteen.

954
00:44:41,520 --> 00:44:46,200
Speaker 2: I hope you understood that Della just sold for seventeen thousand,

955
00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:49,200
Speaker 2: five hundred dollars, and I hope you understood what the

956
00:44:49,280 --> 00:44:53,479
Speaker 2: auctioneer said before that. He said seventeen thousand dollars won't

957
00:44:53,520 --> 00:44:55,719
Speaker 2: get you a new truck or even buy you a

958
00:44:56,000 --> 00:45:01,040
Speaker 2: proper burial at the funeral home. And ended up selling

959
00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:05,120
Speaker 2: as the high selling mule for the twenty twenty five

960
00:45:05,480 --> 00:45:09,480
Speaker 2: Spring Ada, Oklahoma sale, and she was purchased by somebody

961
00:45:09,560 --> 00:45:13,440
Speaker 2: from Texas. This was a lot of fun and if

962
00:45:13,440 --> 00:45:16,520
Speaker 2: you're looking to go to a sale this year, AIDA's

963
00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:20,840
Speaker 2: got another sale coming this fall in early October, and

964
00:45:20,960 --> 00:45:25,719
Speaker 2: I'm sure you'll be seeing me at Ada again. I

965
00:45:25,840 --> 00:45:28,640
Speaker 2: know on this episode we've learned a ton about mules

966
00:45:28,960 --> 00:45:31,200
Speaker 2: and I can't thank you enough for listening to Bear

967
00:45:31,320 --> 00:45:34,279
Speaker 2: Grease and Brent's This Country Life podcast.

968
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970
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Speaker 2: Keep the wild places wild, because that's where the bears live.