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Speaker 1: dive into this week's episode, which was such an amazing conversation.

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Speaker 1: Our guest shares her journey of donating her eggs, shining

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Speaker 1: light on an unfortunate gap in the fertility industry for

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Speaker 1: women of color. We also explore the taboo surround the

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Speaker 1: egg donation within the black community and discuss the importance

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Speaker 1: of fostering open dialogue on this subject. Get ready for

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Speaker 1: I sold my eggs? Starting now to my guests, thank

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Speaker 1: you so much for being on the show. How you doing,

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Speaker 1: how you feeling?

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Speaker 2: I am so good, I'm so excited to be here.

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Speaker 1: Me to me too. I just asked her, y'all, was

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Speaker 1: she nervous? As I can tell, she was a little nervous,

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Speaker 1: so don't be nervous. So did you encounter any sufficient

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Speaker 1: do you feel like there was a lack of information.

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Speaker 2: There was definitely a lack of information, especially I think

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Speaker 2: surrounding Black women and eg donation. Typically egg donation is

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Speaker 2: something that or not ag donation, but IVF is usually

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Speaker 2: something that white people usually go for because it's I

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Speaker 2: just feel like there's not a lot of talk about

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Speaker 2: infertility in the black community and people of color communities

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Speaker 2: as well. So I feel like IVF is something that

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Speaker 2: only usually only like higher income people can afford to do.

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Speaker 2: So it's usually a lot of Black people are in

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Speaker 2: really think about. But as far as egg donation, I

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Speaker 2: feel like they it's very underrepresented as far as people

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Speaker 2: don't know that it's an option. If we're we are

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Speaker 2: struggling with infertility, We're not usually going to talk about

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Speaker 2: it with doctors or friends or family. It's something that

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Speaker 2: you kind of keep to yourself. So it's definitely not

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Speaker 2: a lot of information about it.

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Speaker 1: You know What's so crazy? You definitely make a good

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Speaker 1: point because I feel like recently and not saying that

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Speaker 1: lot of black women that use surrogance, but I feel

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Speaker 1: like we just started having these conversations about surrogancy mm hmm.

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Speaker 2: For sure, I've never been a surrogate, but I definitely

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Speaker 2: command new women that do it. It's definitely very selfless.

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Speaker 2: I think it's very important that we start to talk

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Speaker 1: Right now, in hindsight, do you believe that there are

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Speaker 2: I would say I think we should talk about the

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Speaker 2: benefits of it. I feel like a lot of people

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Speaker 2: and they're like, oh, they're gonna like steal my DNA

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Speaker 1: You know where somebody gonna steal something from there.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, like it's not all that. It's not that.

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Speaker 2: I mean, is it is a lot, but it's not.

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Speaker 2: They're not out to get you. It's not like they're

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Speaker 2: Of course there are risks with it, but that is

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Speaker 2: And so just highlighting the positive points of egg donation.

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Speaker 1: Now, what motivated you to decide to choose egg donation.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So originally I heard about egg donation when I

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Speaker 1: So how did you know? And that you cut you off?

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Speaker 2: I was raised by a single mother. We didn't have

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Speaker 2: I just feel like I really understand what it takes

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Speaker 1: It's a lot of sacrifice.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I feel like a lot of people today bring

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Speaker 2: And so I just really have put a lot of

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Speaker 1: You know, you make a good point, because like I

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Speaker 1: I used to always fear that, like how I was

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Speaker 2: Mm hmm for sure. Yeah, I think it's the fly

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Speaker 2: it one day and like decide that it is something

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Speaker 1: No, Yeah, have you supposed to anybody about your trauma?

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Speaker 2: I have, yes, I yeah, I spoke to quite a

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Speaker 1: Okay, good, good. You know because black women need healing,

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Speaker 1: professional homegirls need yeah, care and love, so definitely. Now

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Speaker 1: what were you saying about your decision for donation? So

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Speaker 1: you knew at a young age that you was like

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Speaker 1: it was a possibility that you want to help somebody

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Speaker 2: So I looked into it when I was a teenager,

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Speaker 2: and I saw that you had to be twenty one,

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Speaker 2: came back to it when I was twenty two, and

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Speaker 2: then I really looked into it. I researched a lot

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Speaker 2: before I even like applied for any agencies, and I

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Speaker 2: I felt like I was in good health to do it.

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Speaker 2: So I applied to an agency and you go through

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Speaker 2: some yeah, some psychological testing, and then like we get there.

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Speaker 1: No, also you got paid.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, I think for sure. Money was like up

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Speaker 2: really hard out there, right, Yeah, I was like, I

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Speaker 2: could use this money and it doesn't seem like something

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Speaker 1: Now, you got to tell people how much did you

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Speaker 2: So my first act donation, I'm in the process of

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Speaker 2: I got paid seven thousand dollars. I think that's pretty

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Speaker 2: I'm about to start my second donation, I'll be compensated

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Speaker 2: twelve dollars.

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Speaker 1: Damn yo, you're about to have bitches find a new hustle.

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Speaker 1: That's crazy. How many eggs are you donated the first

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so it really depends on the person. I think

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Speaker 2: it depends on how many actually are like big enough

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Speaker 2: around twenty one eggs.

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Speaker 1: Wow, that's amazing.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So how many you think you're gonna do this

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Speaker 2: Probably the same. I don't really know what really the

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Speaker 1: What were the reactions from your family and friends regarding

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think my family was very concerned about it.

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Speaker 2: They were like, there's a lot of health risks involved,

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Speaker 2: I actually posted about it on TikTok and that video

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Speaker 1: And I also think that it plays you being a

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Speaker 1: I think that's pretty awesome.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure. There's definitely not a lot of women

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Speaker 2: social media, but a lot of people don't know that

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Speaker 2: they are a lot of agencies are specifically looking for

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Speaker 2: There's not a lot of us that want to donate,

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Speaker 2: and so a lot of times you can even be

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Speaker 2: it's cool.

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Speaker 2: From what I know, I think so to my knowledge,

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Speaker 1: Now. Beginning with the selection process, what made you go

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Speaker 1: And then as far as the medical or psychological evaluation.

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Speaker 1: Right did you ever did that thought ever cross your mind?

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Speaker 2: No? For me, I honestly wanted to remain anonymous throughout

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Speaker 1: Why are you open to it now? Like what change

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Speaker 2: I think I was just scared. Back then. I didn't

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Speaker 1: So what is the timeline like for the entire end

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so it basically just tells like the details of

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Speaker 1: How would they know if you had sex?

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Speaker 1: Like so far, I was gonna say, could you could

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Speaker 1: Damn that's crazy. So on a day of your surgery,

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Speaker 1: Listen, you make it this sound like it was a

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Speaker 2: Honestly, was it wasn't bad at all. I mean you like,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I believe you, because the way you're describing it,

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Speaker 1: And how old were you when you got this done

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Speaker 1: From the agency or does it? I guess the people

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's how it works. They pay the agency first,

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Speaker 1: Now, did the egg donation process provide insights into fertility

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Speaker 2: No, not at all. I feel like it's something that

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Speaker 2: It's called like your AMH levels. It tests how many

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Speaker 2: And they also do like some ancestry stuff as well,

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Speaker 2: so that was cool to learn about. But as far

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Speaker 1: Though, do you think they should do that or yeah?

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Speaker 2: I think so. I think it would bring more light

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Speaker 1: Right, And I also feel like this will also kind

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Speaker 2: Yes? From what I know, yeah, it's very fertile. So

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Speaker 1: You probably fucking around have twins. Now, how has this

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Speaker 1: to get my oprah on.

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Speaker 2: I think it's taught me how much people value children,

442
00:23:13,920 --> 00:23:17,000
Speaker 2: which I think is super cool because growing up for me,

443
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Speaker 2: I didn't feel like I mean, I was kind of

444
00:23:19,960 --> 00:23:22,240
Speaker 2: an accident. Like I said, I was raised by a

445
00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:28,320
Speaker 2: single mother, and so I no, I wasn't told that,

446
00:23:28,520 --> 00:23:31,800
Speaker 2: but like my mother and father were never together and

447
00:23:31,880 --> 00:23:34,760
Speaker 2: so and my mom is also very Christian as well,

448
00:23:34,800 --> 00:23:38,199
Speaker 2: so I know, like she's not purposely going to have

449
00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:41,040
Speaker 2: a child out of wedlock because that's like against Christianity.

450
00:23:41,560 --> 00:23:46,520
Speaker 2: So yeah, I just felt like I wasn't as valued

451
00:23:46,520 --> 00:23:48,919
Speaker 2: as I could have been, which is really hard. But

452
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Speaker 2: it's helped me to see that there are families and

453
00:23:52,359 --> 00:23:54,960
Speaker 2: there are people out there who really really want children

454
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Speaker 2: and are ready to take care of them financially and

455
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Speaker 2: mentally in everything that it takes to be a parent.

456
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Speaker 1: Right, did this did this experience kind of make you like,

457
00:24:05,320 --> 00:24:09,399
Speaker 1: maybe not jealous, but like just envious of though, why

458
00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:15,080
Speaker 1: are you making that face? But you know what I'm saying.

459
00:24:15,359 --> 00:24:17,160
Speaker 1: Does it kind of makes you like feel a way

460
00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:19,320
Speaker 1: because like I used to feel the same way too,

461
00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:22,199
Speaker 1: Like I never met my father, but I literally just

462
00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:24,639
Speaker 1: started to have conversations with him through the phone whatever.

463
00:24:25,119 --> 00:24:27,560
Speaker 1: And my mom and I like the only person I

464
00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:29,720
Speaker 1: can say to my mom is my grandmother. So I

465
00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:33,200
Speaker 1: can understand how it would feel to like to never

466
00:24:33,280 --> 00:24:36,360
Speaker 1: felt being wanted by your parents. So now you are

467
00:24:36,359 --> 00:24:38,720
Speaker 1: in a situation where you're helping people who really want

468
00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:41,360
Speaker 1: a baby, and it's like, damn, like, why my parents

469
00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:42,400
Speaker 1: didn't fuck with me like that?

470
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Speaker 2: Yeah? I wouldn't say it makes me envious. Honestly, it

471
00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:49,879
Speaker 2: makes me happy because I'm like, hey, these people are

472
00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:52,280
Speaker 2: going to have like a way better life than I

473
00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:55,760
Speaker 2: ever had. Like people not only do they really want

474
00:24:55,800 --> 00:24:58,320
Speaker 2: a child, but they probably have so much money because

475
00:24:58,680 --> 00:25:00,639
Speaker 2: I mean they can afford to do yep, and like

476
00:25:00,800 --> 00:25:02,760
Speaker 2: you get an egg owner and get a circuit. So

477
00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:06,040
Speaker 2: I'm like, I feel like I feel excited for whatever

478
00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:08,600
Speaker 2: child comes from us. I'm like, yeah, go have a

479
00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:09,520
Speaker 2: better life than I did.

480
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Speaker 1: Yeah. Do you still talk to your mom and dad?

481
00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:13,520
Speaker 2: No?

482
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Speaker 1: Okay, okay, okay. So the number one question that everyone

483
00:25:20,840 --> 00:25:22,960
Speaker 1: wants to know is what did you do with the

484
00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:26,200
Speaker 1: seven K? Did you go shop it? You pay some bills?

485
00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:27,320
Speaker 1: Did you save it?

486
00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:31,680
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna lie. I it all went towards bills

487
00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:35,480
Speaker 2: because one I donated my eggs, I had just quit

488
00:25:35,600 --> 00:25:39,840
Speaker 2: my job, so I needed the money to just like

489
00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:42,680
Speaker 2: live and toil like to get to my next job.

490
00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:44,159
Speaker 2: So it's basically what it went to.

491
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Speaker 1: Okay, cool, cool cool? Yeah, And so when you the

492
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Speaker 1: second go around, you're gonna do it again? Are you

493
00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:52,639
Speaker 1: gonna like pretty much use it to like, you know,

494
00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:54,680
Speaker 1: make sure you good or say, like, where are you

495
00:25:54,680 --> 00:25:56,880
Speaker 1: planning doing with the twelve k? Cause that's a lot.

496
00:25:57,240 --> 00:26:00,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, I plan on saving some of it for are

497
00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:05,240
Speaker 2: but also like bills are always there, so that too,

498
00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:09,200
Speaker 2: and then probably try to pay off my car if possible.

499
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Speaker 1: Yeah. So what advice would you give to someone considering

500
00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:16,600
Speaker 1: egg donation for financial reasons?

501
00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:20,320
Speaker 2: I would say do it. I mean, if you're in

502
00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:24,840
Speaker 2: good health and it's something that you are willing to

503
00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:30,160
Speaker 2: something that you can feel good about without having any

504
00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:33,040
Speaker 2: second thoughts or regrets about it, then definitely do your

505
00:26:33,080 --> 00:26:35,240
Speaker 2: research and go for it.

506
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Speaker 1: And would you still have done it if you didn't

507
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Speaker 1: get paid?

508
00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:45,760
Speaker 2: I think it depends. I think I would be willing

509
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Speaker 2: to do it for free for someone that I was

510
00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:51,000
Speaker 2: really close to, but not for a stranger.

511
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Speaker 1: Why not?

512
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Speaker 2: I just feel like it's very intrusive, It's it's just

513
00:26:57,480 --> 00:27:00,639
Speaker 2: time consuming with all the doctors point and you do

514
00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:04,439
Speaker 2: have to like inject yourself with medications, and it's just

515
00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:06,560
Speaker 2: like a lot that I don't think I would be

516
00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:10,159
Speaker 2: willing to do for someone that I didn't have a

517
00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:10,840
Speaker 2: connection to.

518
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Speaker 1: Yeah, listen, coins make a difference for especially seven thousand

519
00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:20,760
Speaker 1: of it, So we know that you would do it again.

520
00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:24,440
Speaker 1: So what will you do differently this time around? Or

521
00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:25,680
Speaker 1: would you do anything differently?

522
00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:27,200
Speaker 2: Hmmm?

523
00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:31,919
Speaker 1: Because I feel like you had a really good experience,

524
00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:34,040
Speaker 1: but I also feel like you know you're in good health,

525
00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:37,320
Speaker 1: you're young, it's easier for you to bounce back.

526
00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:42,520
Speaker 2: So yeah, I can't think of anything I would do differently.

527
00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:44,040
Speaker 2: I think it went really smoothly.

528
00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:47,560
Speaker 1: And when you have that, are you going through the

529
00:27:47,560 --> 00:27:48,280
Speaker 1: same agency?

530
00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:51,520
Speaker 2: No, it'll be a different agency this time.

531
00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:52,679
Speaker 1: Oh why are you changing?

532
00:27:55,320 --> 00:27:59,800
Speaker 2: So the first agency that I went through was actually

533
00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:04,359
Speaker 2: a frozen egg donation center. So basically what that means

534
00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:07,280
Speaker 2: is once they take your eggs, they just freeze them

535
00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:09,920
Speaker 2: and then if when someone comes along that wautchs them

536
00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:13,240
Speaker 2: or wants some eggs that like fit your description or

537
00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:19,120
Speaker 2: your physical description, they'll take them out. But basically they

538
00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:22,439
Speaker 2: only do frozen egg donation, So but the agency that

539
00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:25,520
Speaker 2: I'm going through now, it's they do fresh egg donations.

540
00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:28,639
Speaker 2: So they'll put your photo in a database with a

541
00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:30,840
Speaker 2: bunch of other egg donors, and then they'll have the

542
00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:33,480
Speaker 2: intended parents look through it, and then they'll like handpick

543
00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:36,000
Speaker 2: and say I want her, I want her eggs, and

544
00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:38,960
Speaker 2: then once they take the eggs, they pretty much automatically

545
00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:43,200
Speaker 2: go straight to their either their surrogate or whoever is

546
00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:44,280
Speaker 2: going to be carrying the child.

547
00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:47,920
Speaker 1: You know, when I was doing research on this, and

548
00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:49,840
Speaker 1: I was like, damn, I feel so dumb, But like

549
00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:53,400
Speaker 1: I think they the human body is amazing because the

550
00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:57,320
Speaker 1: fact that we can take your eggs and put them

551
00:28:57,320 --> 00:28:59,920
Speaker 1: inside of someone like the human body is like an incravator.

552
00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:02,000
Speaker 2: Yeah.

553
00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:05,040
Speaker 1: And then but I was kind of confused because I'm like, okay,

554
00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:06,840
Speaker 1: so if we put if we take your eggs and

555
00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:09,360
Speaker 1: put it inside my body, the child's gonna still look

556
00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:10,680
Speaker 1: like you and my partner.

557
00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:11,840
Speaker 2: Mm hmm.

558
00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:16,920
Speaker 1: That is crazy, right, y'all? What are twenty years from

559
00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:20,280
Speaker 1: now you're sitting right next to your kids, Like what

560
00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:22,640
Speaker 1: would you do? But not your kid? But you know

561
00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:23,080
Speaker 1: what I mean?

562
00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:27,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know. I'd probably just be like in ah,

563
00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:29,360
Speaker 2: especially if I don't have kids on my own, I'd

564
00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:31,800
Speaker 2: probably feel like, oh, that's interesting to see what like

565
00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:33,280
Speaker 2: my offspring look like.

566
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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's so cool. Well, thank you so much for

567
00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:40,400
Speaker 1: coming on the show. I think this was very insightful.

568
00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:44,600
Speaker 1: You're gonna definitely inspire people and also just give people

569
00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:46,920
Speaker 1: hope because I feel like, you know, a lot of

570
00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:49,280
Speaker 1: people do want kids, but you know, sometimes things just

571
00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:50,840
Speaker 1: don't work out in that way, so you do have

572
00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:53,200
Speaker 1: to look into other options. And I think by hearing

573
00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:55,240
Speaker 1: your story, it's going to make people feel a lot

574
00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:57,440
Speaker 1: more comfortable because you definitely made it seem like it

575
00:29:57,480 --> 00:29:59,720
Speaker 1: was like easy.

576
00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:04,400
Speaker 2: Bre it honestly was. And I hope that this inspires

577
00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:07,600
Speaker 2: somebody to even just look more into act donation or

578
00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:10,720
Speaker 2: IVF they are either struggling to have a child or

579
00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:12,520
Speaker 2: interested in being an egg donor.

580
00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:15,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, how many? Is there a maximum of times that

581
00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:17,000
Speaker 1: you can have you can be an egg donor?

582
00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:20,600
Speaker 2: Yeah? So it's six times in your life. And I

583
00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:24,160
Speaker 2: think the reasoning for that is because I think after

584
00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:29,400
Speaker 2: a certain point, they just don't want that many like

585
00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:32,160
Speaker 2: different yeah, because there are going to be like in

586
00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:35,440
Speaker 2: different geographical locations usually, and so like the odds of

587
00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:40,280
Speaker 2: them like needing and like procreating just gets super high

588
00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:42,960
Speaker 2: once you get to like a certain point. Yeah, so

589
00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:45,600
Speaker 2: it's like I think they just try to avoid like

590
00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:50,440
Speaker 2: having too many offspring that are genetically related out there.

591
00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:54,680
Speaker 2: So if they won't, do you know it happen? Yeah. Yeah.

592
00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:59,800
Speaker 1: It was some documentary on Netflix where that the obg

593
00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:04,080
Speaker 1: am he was pretty much not physically but he was

594
00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:08,200
Speaker 1: raping these women by putting his sperm in their bodies

595
00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:10,320
Speaker 1: and they thinking that it's they partners, so their boy

596
00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:12,880
Speaker 1: friends the case may be. And he had like ninety

597
00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:14,200
Speaker 1: nine kids.

598
00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:14,880
Speaker 2: Oh my god.

599
00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:18,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then that caused an issue because I believe,

600
00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:20,600
Speaker 1: if I'm not mistaken, some of them kids kind of

601
00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:24,160
Speaker 1: like end up like dating. It was something like weirdest thing.

602
00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:26,320
Speaker 1: So that makes me think, like do you think that

603
00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:29,640
Speaker 1: eventually like we're like I don't know, like because I

604
00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:32,760
Speaker 1: feel like, in a sense, like egg donation becomes like real,

605
00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:35,120
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm pretty sure not popular, but if it

606
00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:40,600
Speaker 1: becomes like a main source of like procreation, like are

607
00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:42,480
Speaker 1: we kind of like messing up the system in a way,

608
00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:43,120
Speaker 1: the matrix?

609
00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:46,600
Speaker 2: Like yeah, I don't know, that's something to think about.

610
00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:48,400
Speaker 2: But it also makes me think, like, is there a

611
00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:51,160
Speaker 2: limit on sperm donation, cause I feel like that's the

612
00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:55,040
Speaker 2: way more, way less intrusive than egg donation, and like

613
00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:57,080
Speaker 2: they can do it. I don't know if there's a

614
00:31:57,120 --> 00:31:59,880
Speaker 2: limit on that too, because I know many like even

615
00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:02,560
Speaker 2: without like doing a sperm donation, they can have like

616
00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:05,440
Speaker 2: as many kids as they want, Like they can literally

617
00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:07,640
Speaker 2: have like one hundred kids a day if they wanted,

618
00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:10,280
Speaker 2: like impregnant one hundred women a day. So I'm like,

619
00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:11,280
Speaker 2: that's crazy.

620
00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:14,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, do you think there should be a limit on

621
00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:14,960
Speaker 1: sperm donation.

622
00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:19,360
Speaker 2: I think so for the same reasons it's act donation.

623
00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:24,280
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, because that documentary was Wow, I'm like ninety

624
00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:28,280
Speaker 1: nine kids, Yeah, and they all had some type of

625
00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:32,800
Speaker 1: like like they low key look alike, which was like crazy.

626
00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:34,640
Speaker 1: So it's just like you just never know that the

627
00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:36,800
Speaker 1: person you're being intimate could be you can be related to,

628
00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:37,920
Speaker 1: but you would just never know.

629
00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:39,680
Speaker 2: Yeah.

630
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Speaker 1: Wow, but I thought this was good. Thank you so much,

631
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632
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