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Speaker 1: Cost Love Supreme is a production of iHeartRadio. This classic

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Speaker 1: episode was produced by the team at Pandora. Ladies and gentlemen,

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Speaker 1: welcome to Part two of Kwame's interview on QLs Classic

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Speaker 1: in October twenty eighteen. He went through so many stories

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Speaker 1: about his.

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Speaker 2: Childhood and growing up in his father's house and working

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Speaker 2: with Herbie Lovebug and you know, Atlantic Records, and.

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Speaker 3: That whole connection with Philly rappers and.

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Speaker 2: Also the idol makers with Salt and Pepper and Kid

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Speaker 2: and Play and all that stuff. You know, so much

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Speaker 2: crazy buked out stories. Hope you enjoy Part two of

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Speaker 2: QLs Classic and Kwamedy.

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Speaker 4: Previously on West Loves Supreme, the legendary Kwame talks about

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Speaker 4: growing up in Queens, discovered hip hop and rising and

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Speaker 4: touring with the likes of Sony Pepper, can't play n.

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Speaker 5: W w A, all that get stuck and uh when.

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Speaker 4: You know I'm going to get into that lead thing

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Speaker 4: as well. So here's part two. Of course, Love Supreme

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Speaker 4: wouldn't okay, So I the one important aspect of your

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Speaker 4: career that we've yet to get into, which is very

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Speaker 4: vital to your career, is your sense of style and

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Speaker 4: what you brought to it polka dots, the you know,

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Speaker 4: two tuned hair, the crazy haircuts, and and the kind

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Speaker 4: of the GQ dressing like.

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Speaker 3: You were Urban Outfitters.

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Speaker 5: I couldn't get.

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Speaker 6: I couldn't get that I had a polka dot shirt.

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Speaker 6: Mama will let me get the diamond, she would She

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Speaker 6: wouldn't go.

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Speaker 5: Poka shirt, wouldn't let me get the poke shirt.

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Speaker 4: Me and to Rika brothers like we basically would just

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Speaker 4: share three shirts like I had. I had the Urban

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Speaker 4: Outfitters love shirt.

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Speaker 7: Urban Outfitters.

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Speaker 3: She was doing it.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Urban outfit was Me and Toric would share that shirt,

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Speaker 4: the preppie Benetton, the Coca Cola sweaters and all that stuff. Like, So,

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Speaker 4: I mean your style was definitely it was it was.

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Speaker 4: It was preppy and kind of progressive hip like, it

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Speaker 4: wasn't street, you know, it wasn't dapper Danish. So what

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Speaker 4: made you in the era where Dapper Dan was running

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Speaker 4: ship and track suits and you know even with Philly,

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Speaker 4: like with Alpianas and you know, the drug dealer looked

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Speaker 4: like what made you like, Okay, I'm gonna go with this, Like.

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Speaker 8: I think.

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Speaker 9: Because of my influences and because of parental guidance. Actually,

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Speaker 9: you know, like one of the biggest fights that I

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Speaker 9: ever got into what my father was the fact that

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Speaker 9: I went and I had a job at a sea

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Speaker 9: town actually, and saved up my money and bought this

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Speaker 9: fake fat rope, a sick giant fat rope, and my godfather,

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Speaker 9: who was a cop, confiscated a beeper and gave it

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Speaker 9: to me. So I had the beeper and the fat rope,

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Speaker 9: and my father came downstairs and and that was just

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Speaker 9: my rapper costume. And my father came into my room,

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Speaker 9: I guess to get laundry or whatever he did, and

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Speaker 9: he saw the fat rope and the beeper and he

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Speaker 9: threw him out. So when I came home like it

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Speaker 9: was my fat rope, it was my beeper. I'm about

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Speaker 9: to go to this party. I gotta look like me

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Speaker 9: and my pops, Like, you're not wearing that shit outside.

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Speaker 9: You're not gonna, you know, look like a drug dealer.

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Speaker 9: You know, on my watch, you're not doing that.

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Speaker 8: No, but that's what I gotta do. That's that's me.

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Speaker 8: That's that's that's I'm a rapper.

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Speaker 9: Said, no, you're look an idiot, you know, like that's

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Speaker 9: not even you you're not. You're not from that you

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Speaker 9: wear you like to wear suits, you don't even wear

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Speaker 9: you like to wear shoes. You asked me for money

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Speaker 9: to buy you know. I definitely was into balleys and

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Speaker 8: What are you doing?

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Speaker 3: You know?

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Speaker 9: And and we got into this knockdown, drag out fight,

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Speaker 9: like grip me up because I was popping so much shit,

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Speaker 9: like you don't go in my room, touch my shit,

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Speaker 9: you shit.

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Speaker 3: Boom, you know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 8: It was like it was one of those.

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Speaker 9: Things, and it was almost like a wake up call

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Speaker 9: because then I sat there and I was like, you know,

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Speaker 9: I cannot afford that a dat. I don't like to

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Speaker 9: be fake in any way, shape or form. So I'm

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Speaker 9: walking around with this orange, yellow and white looking chain

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Speaker 9: that's been turning like the earth, and it's like, you know,

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Speaker 9: the beeper don't work. You can't put the four one

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Speaker 9: one on the nine one one in me, So like

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Speaker 9: what it's not, It's not me, you know. And and

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Speaker 9: I like to dress up. But then at the same

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Speaker 9: time I know that I'm not I'm a different kid.

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Speaker 9: I'm just I'm different, and I don't have a problem

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Speaker 9: with expressing that there is a side of me that

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Speaker 9: does like some of the hip hop things. So like

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Speaker 9: if you look at like, for example, my first album,

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Speaker 9: Covered Boy Genius, I'm sitting there, I have on a

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Speaker 9: prepping Mickey Mouse shirt, you know, but I do have

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Speaker 9: was a real one. But that was like saying that, Okay,

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Speaker 9: look I can go here, but I choose to go there,

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Speaker 9: and you know, I had my nerd Wayfair glasses on,

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Speaker 9: and it wasn't necessarily a gimmick at all. It was

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Speaker 9: just saying that, look, man, I got to set myself apart.

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Speaker 8: Now. The Polkadots came in three things.

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Speaker 9: One, I was like, I said, I was a super

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Speaker 9: big Prince fan, and Prince used to rock these on

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Speaker 9: the Love Sexy tour in eighty seven and I just

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Speaker 9: Mad House album covered with the chick with the polka

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Speaker 9: be my wife, man, I just like, I know, I wanted.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I was always seeing it.

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Speaker 9: So so I was like, you know, she can be

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Speaker 9: can hip hop these like polka dots out a little bit.

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Speaker 9: But then I'm like an overthinker. So I'm like, you know,

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Speaker 9: anytime I look at I'm a heavy comic book guy.

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Speaker 9: So like anytime somebody has like on polka dots, he's

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Speaker 9: either the nerd or the clown or just the weird guy.

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Speaker 9: So I think I'm gonna I like that. And like

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Speaker 9: how you said you would share with with Tarik, I

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Speaker 9: just had one Polkada shirt I swear, and I used

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Speaker 9: that like five different ways. Was the shirt on my

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Speaker 9: back of the album cover, same shirt. It was white

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Speaker 9: with black dots, and I was like, I can find

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Speaker 9: so many ways to match black and white.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, my pokagont shirt was black with white dots.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, So I just had my my white shirt black dots.

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Speaker 9: I had a black tie with white dots, so if

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Speaker 9: go crazy with the black and white and not spend

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Speaker 9: any money. And then in the video it was my pajamas,

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Speaker 9: first show and everybody in the audience had on Polka

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Speaker 9: dots and streaks in it here, and so I was like, Okay,

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Speaker 9: somebody threw a joke on me, blah blah blah, and

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Speaker 9: everywhere I would go, man, it was your Polka dots.

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Speaker 9: And also I would never shop at normal stores.

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Speaker 8: I was shot.

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Speaker 9: There was a store in the village called Reminiscence, and

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Speaker 9: Reminiscence only did repro fifties clothes. So I bought all

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Speaker 9: my Polka dot ties from Reminiscence, all my Pokodat shirts.

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Speaker 9: Everything I wore were reproduction fifties outfits. And then whatever

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Speaker 9: thrift store I would find whatever, I would get everything

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Speaker 9: from thrift stores and not spend. I was not chasing Gucci,

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Speaker 9: I wasn't chasing Louis Vatano, Dappa Dan, and that just

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Speaker 9: that was it. I was like, I'm not going to

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Speaker 9: do that. I see I can buy NPC sixty instead

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Speaker 9: of a fat chain. I can buy a SP twelve

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Speaker 9: hundred instead of a two finger ring. And that's where

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Speaker 9: it just all snowball from me.

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Speaker 3: How did you sign? Who signed you to your first

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Speaker 9: So so Herbie Lovebug went to Sylvia Ron and so

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Speaker 9: I got this kid act blah blah blah, and he,

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Speaker 9: you know, the deal was met based on the fact

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Speaker 9: that he was going to produce me, but Herbie was

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Speaker 9: just so busy. Most of the album was already done.

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Speaker 9: I'd like, saved up my money. And if anybody who's

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Speaker 9: really deep into hip hop is a guy named Paul.

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Speaker 5: C see Paul your Paul Seed disciple.

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Speaker 8: Somewhat he taught.

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Speaker 9: Paul taught me how to use the sp twelve and

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Speaker 9: well basically it was a music It was called the

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Speaker 9: Music Building in Queens and Paul had a studio, Studio

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Speaker 9: twelve twelve. And I saved my money and I found

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Speaker 9: out about it from a mutual friend. And I didn't

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Speaker 9: I was like, I got this amount of money. How

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Speaker 9: many hours can I get? Eight hours?

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Speaker 8: Cool? When can I get it? Christmas?

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Speaker 3: What?

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Speaker 5: Damn? Oh wow?

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Speaker 3: Eight hours, eight songs.

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Speaker 9: Midnight to eight o'clock in the morning Christmas Day? You

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Speaker 9: want to do it? Fucking yeah? So I went and

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Speaker 9: I did say, five of the eight songs on the

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Speaker 8: But that's where the line came.

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Speaker 9: That's that's how the line kind of formed itself because

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Speaker 9: it was like, I gotta do this Christmas so so,

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Speaker 9: but it really didn't mean anything because my father was

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Speaker 9: like a devout Muslim, so I didn't really celebrate Christmas anyway.

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Speaker 9: So I did did most of that album there, but

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Speaker 9: gave it to Herbie. This was the second demo. Gave

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Speaker 9: her the first demo he was not rocking with, so

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Speaker 9: I gave him the second demo and the demo that

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Speaker 8: Keep on doing? Yeah, the first one.

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Speaker 9: There was another song called a New Beginning that never

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Speaker 9: made the album. Is another song called mind Power that

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Speaker 9: didn't make the album. And I want to say one

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Speaker 9: more camera that's.

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Speaker 7: Excuse me, dumb questions. So how much of your albums

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Speaker 7: am I too? As soon? Did you produce everything that

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Speaker 8: Yeah? So so Herbie so to Herbie takes it in.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, Herbie takes it in and you know, said, this

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Speaker 9: is what I produced, and so she Sylvia gives me

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Speaker 9: the deal. And I didn't have a problem with Herbie

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Speaker 9: producing a record for me because you know, you know,

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Speaker 9: I learned from him, so you know, hey, why not, well.

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Speaker 4: Seeing his name on there let me that gave me

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Speaker 4: the greenline. I don't know if I've been so quick

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Speaker 4: to if you were just you and your name alone. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: I mean the video was dope enough to meet me

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Speaker 4: buy it, but definitely see I was like, oh, I

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Speaker 4: gotta buy this because back then you brought the Birds

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Speaker 4: of a Feather thing.

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Speaker 9: So and then it said produced by Herbie Love Book

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Speaker 8: No, no, that's Rick man, it's my man, Rick, slick Rick.

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Speaker 8: I'm like you just cause I was just seeing Flames.

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Speaker 9: Man, my album didn't even come out yet, and somebody's

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Speaker 9: trying to jacket and Rick was like, nah, you know

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Speaker 9: So so back to the question, So Sylvia signed me.

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Speaker 9: And I just used to always be at the record label,

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Speaker 9: Or you know, and just hanging out with Sylvia and

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Speaker 8: Yeah no so so my an R, Well, Sylvia was

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Speaker 9: Yeah he was a yeah he was. He was under Sylvia.

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Speaker 9: I said, but see what they were doing at that time.

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Speaker 9: But it was real weird. They did not understand what

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Speaker 8: It was just you know, it was just figure it out, man.

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Speaker 3: It was real when the record became a success.

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Speaker 6: What was it like to be sixteen years old in

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Speaker 9: Well, it was weird because by the time the record

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Speaker 9: The school wasn't bad. I don't think. I don't know,

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Speaker 8: Yeah, so I had to be in I'm like, this

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Speaker 9: He said, why don't you just drop out? I don't

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Speaker 9: I don't remember half of my teachers. And I was like,

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Speaker 8: Now?

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Speaker 9: You're going to be a big star, right, What do

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Speaker 9: to wrap You're never going to become an artist.

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Speaker 8: You know, you might as well just go to your

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Speaker 9: So it's so it shows you like those type of

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Speaker 3: What was your advance at that time? How much did

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Speaker 8: Eleven? Yet that much?

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Speaker 9: The first album cost sixty thousand dollars to make and

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Speaker 9: I got eleven thousand out of it.

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Speaker 8: That was my Evans eleven thousand dollars, I.

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Speaker 4: Mean compared to other eighty nine brothers we heard that

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Speaker 3: Yeah, because Daylight solds did day three feet High? It

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Speaker 8: It was supposed to be a but that wasn't a

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Speaker 5: Oh where did you say that?

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Speaker 4: Because I remember that Funky Divers budget was two point

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Speaker 4: five million.

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00:23:17,440 --> 00:23:19,399
Speaker 7: Wow, that was a lecture right or.

440
00:23:21,520 --> 00:23:22,080
Speaker 8: East West?

441
00:23:22,119 --> 00:23:24,760
Speaker 9: But so sixty that and the reason it was supposed

442
00:23:24,800 --> 00:23:27,320
Speaker 9: to be one hundred and twenty but it was going

443
00:23:27,400 --> 00:23:31,119
Speaker 9: to be an ep m HM. And I turned in

444
00:23:31,280 --> 00:23:34,240
Speaker 9: the remainder of songs, and like, she didn't just give

445
00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:35,560
Speaker 9: an album and say you can make it an album.

446
00:23:35,640 --> 00:23:37,719
Speaker 9: We ain't giving you no more money. And I was like,

447
00:23:37,760 --> 00:23:39,800
Speaker 9: I just thought the term having an EP I thought

448
00:23:39,800 --> 00:23:40,440
Speaker 9: that was just whack.

449
00:23:40,480 --> 00:23:41,920
Speaker 8: And I was like, nah, I want an album.

450
00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:43,840
Speaker 9: So it was just an eight cut album supposed to

451
00:23:43,840 --> 00:23:46,520
Speaker 9: be five cuts, not turned in the last three songs?

452
00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:48,320
Speaker 3: What were the last three year? Remember?

453
00:23:48,640 --> 00:23:52,560
Speaker 8: I don't I think I think the Manrion a love

454
00:23:52,680 --> 00:23:55,760
Speaker 8: sweet thing. I don't even remember, to.

455
00:23:55,720 --> 00:23:57,639
Speaker 6: Be honest, because always they seemed like the dope should

456
00:23:57,640 --> 00:23:58,359
Speaker 6: always come at the end.

457
00:23:58,400 --> 00:24:00,000
Speaker 9: I was it was never a beginning of the end.

458
00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:02,120
Speaker 9: And it's just that I got three more songs to give, y'all.

459
00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:06,040
Speaker 9: It wasn't you know. It wasn't like recorded in a

460
00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:08,560
Speaker 9: certain way like oh this is the this is the

461
00:24:08,560 --> 00:24:10,960
Speaker 9: hot one, It's the last song that I'm going to record.

462
00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:12,480
Speaker 9: I don't it wasn't done that way.

463
00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:14,520
Speaker 3: You didn't even know, like what your single was going

464
00:24:14,600 --> 00:24:15,879
Speaker 3: to be, Like the rhythm, did you know?

465
00:24:16,359 --> 00:24:19,600
Speaker 9: I had no idea? You know, we thought the man

466
00:24:19,840 --> 00:24:23,240
Speaker 9: did we didn't hear. They didn't hear a commercial single

467
00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:28,640
Speaker 9: off of that album. So the most. Yeah, of course

468
00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:32,600
Speaker 9: they were definitely looking forward. So and I was very

469
00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:34,960
Speaker 9: you know, in the beginning, I was very I was

470
00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:41,400
Speaker 9: into being lyrical and telling stories and more serious about

471
00:24:42,520 --> 00:24:46,040
Speaker 9: and the man we all know, One Love was a

472
00:24:46,080 --> 00:24:49,840
Speaker 9: parody record technically, and I was if you look on

473
00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:53,160
Speaker 9: the on the vinyl, it doesn't say it was performed

474
00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:55,720
Speaker 9: by me. It was a character that I had called

475
00:24:55,720 --> 00:24:59,520
Speaker 9: he Me and he is me so so he Me.

476
00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:02,920
Speaker 9: That was just like a parody of just bugging out.

477
00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:05,119
Speaker 9: That was like a bug out, you know. And that

478
00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:06,960
Speaker 9: was like a throwback to Prince when Prince had his

479
00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:11,479
Speaker 9: little come so so HEMI was like that, and they

480
00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:13,560
Speaker 9: were like, we want this to be the single. I'm like, what,

481
00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:15,560
Speaker 9: that's how heem you record? That's not even supposed to be.

482
00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:18,359
Speaker 9: Like now, it's very entertaining and so you know you

483
00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:23,359
Speaker 9: can visualize the and and my man Paris bar Clay,

484
00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:27,960
Speaker 9: who's like in the video, right, yeah.

485
00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:28,680
Speaker 8: He directed the video.

486
00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:30,320
Speaker 3: Is he still alive?

487
00:25:30,520 --> 00:25:33,879
Speaker 9: Yeah, Paris, you know, shout to Paris, because you know

488
00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:36,560
Speaker 9: Paris is dope now like he he goes in like

489
00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:38,560
Speaker 9: he's responsible for sons of anarchy.

490
00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:46,240
Speaker 7: Yeah, we gotta get Paris Barkley run around the Way girl,

491
00:25:46,359 --> 00:25:47,840
Speaker 7: just because I have never heard anybody talk about her

492
00:25:47,880 --> 00:25:49,439
Speaker 7: in the last teen years. Anybody seemed big.

493
00:25:49,320 --> 00:25:52,240
Speaker 9: Last all the time she was at my house, not

494
00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:53,359
Speaker 9: even a year ago.

495
00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:54,520
Speaker 8: She's in l A.

496
00:25:54,680 --> 00:25:59,680
Speaker 10: Yep's in l A's from my neighborhood.

497
00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:00,159
Speaker 8: I can link.

498
00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:02,720
Speaker 7: Check check check it out.

499
00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:07,520
Speaker 9: So so so Paris, you know, me and Paris came

500
00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:10,119
Speaker 9: up with the idea for the man we all know

501
00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:14,600
Speaker 9: in love and you know you mentioned Malcolm. Malcolm was

502
00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:20,160
Speaker 9: studying under Paris to direct, and so Malcolm wanted to learn.

503
00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:22,600
Speaker 9: So he came on the set and I was like, yo,

504
00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:23,840
Speaker 9: you want to get in the videos? Like yeah, but

505
00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:25,840
Speaker 9: you got to let my homeboy Brian in. And so

506
00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:28,479
Speaker 9: this is a random kid like in the beginning, you know,

507
00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:30,600
Speaker 9: in all the faces that you know, and then there's

508
00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:32,000
Speaker 9: like a one guy that you don't know and that's

509
00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:34,400
Speaker 9: his home book, so you know, because Brian was trying

510
00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:36,159
Speaker 9: to be an actor at the time. So you know,

511
00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:39,120
Speaker 9: it was just but and that was another thing that

512
00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:41,040
Speaker 9: I don't think happens anymore.

513
00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:44,680
Speaker 8: If you got win that there was a.

514
00:26:44,680 --> 00:26:49,720
Speaker 9: Video being filmed, everybody showed up, you might not be

515
00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:54,320
Speaker 9: in the video. Like, for example, I remember what EPMD

516
00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:57,760
Speaker 9: record this was, but I remember that we've got when

517
00:26:57,800 --> 00:27:00,560
Speaker 9: that they were filming in Central Park. We got to

518
00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:02,480
Speaker 9: Central Park and I remember seeing Malcolm there. I'm like,

519
00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:04,879
Speaker 9: what you're doing it? I'm just here and I was like,

520
00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:05,600
Speaker 9: where's the video?

521
00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:07,399
Speaker 3: Yo? It's underground?

522
00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:09,800
Speaker 5: Like what so what you're saying?

523
00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:10,439
Speaker 8: Yeah?

524
00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:15,000
Speaker 9: So we climbed down the sewer. Yeah, and everybody's in this.

525
00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:16,080
Speaker 9: I'm like, how did.

526
00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:19,080
Speaker 8: Y'all get a permit in a sewer? It was like

527
00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:20,400
Speaker 8: it was like a.

528
00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:25,280
Speaker 9: Whole city under Central Park, you know, and I think

529
00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:27,639
Speaker 9: everybody if you found out that there was a video,

530
00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:30,960
Speaker 9: everybody would show up just you know, you may get in,

531
00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:32,720
Speaker 9: you may not get in it. But it was like,

532
00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:36,560
Speaker 9: you know, an on set party at all times. So

533
00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:37,240
Speaker 9: so so.

534
00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:44,880
Speaker 4: Wait, A question about your performance is because in sort

535
00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:46,920
Speaker 4: of slick brick mode or what you were saying your

536
00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:52,960
Speaker 4: Prince Camille thing, because you did these character voices, uh,

537
00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:57,600
Speaker 4: sometimes using your natural voice, sometimes very speeding your high voice.

538
00:27:58,359 --> 00:28:01,160
Speaker 5: How would that come off in concert?

539
00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:05,199
Speaker 4: Because I mean sometimes you were like three you were

540
00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:07,560
Speaker 4: like your own muppets almost, You're like three characters.

541
00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:09,680
Speaker 8: I would do it. I was just you know.

542
00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:16,359
Speaker 9: You you know, just saying those I wasne man, you know,

543
00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:19,200
Speaker 9: it was just like you know, I would just do it,

544
00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:22,720
Speaker 9: or with the aid of the audience they would know some.

545
00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:27,440
Speaker 8: Of those parts too. So so it was never I

546
00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:28,520
Speaker 8: never thought about like that.

547
00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:33,200
Speaker 11: But in which a question, Oh put you on the spot, Bill,

548
00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:35,520
Speaker 11: this is this has to do with the second album too,

549
00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:39,800
Speaker 11: almost there anyway, So on the second album, you introduced

550
00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:41,560
Speaker 11: me to an album that I actually wouldn't hear for

551
00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:43,160
Speaker 11: another four years.

552
00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:45,240
Speaker 3: And I want to know if you cleared the sample

553
00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:45,960
Speaker 3: on Skinny Mother.

554
00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:52,080
Speaker 8: Yeah? Wait, what how Prince you clear Bob George?

555
00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:54,560
Speaker 5: Okay, But what I.

556
00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:59,560
Speaker 9: Want to know is further, even further than that, he

557
00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:04,800
Speaker 9: allowed me to use I went Prince crazy on my

558
00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:05,560
Speaker 9: third album.

559
00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:09,200
Speaker 8: And I don't know, I don't.

560
00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:14,200
Speaker 9: Know who who called me two people I got like

561
00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:19,080
Speaker 9: super permission from two like whoever was running Joe Bet Music.

562
00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:25,120
Speaker 9: Somebody from Joe Bet called my house. My mother answered

563
00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:27,760
Speaker 9: the phone, somebody Joe Bett. I'm like, wait a minute,

564
00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:30,080
Speaker 9: like you know what we you know, we're like what

565
00:29:30,080 --> 00:29:33,200
Speaker 9: you're doing? Whatever Joe Records you ever want to use,

566
00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:37,000
Speaker 9: you can you have full I'm like all right, and

567
00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:42,200
Speaker 9: controversy music. I don't know who it was. I don't

568
00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:44,160
Speaker 9: know when they called and was like, yo, man, it's

569
00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:50,680
Speaker 9: not a problem, you know, and and you know, my

570
00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:54,120
Speaker 9: my my experience, you know, I think you know, I

571
00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:57,080
Speaker 9: know you you've had better experiences with him than I have.

572
00:29:57,440 --> 00:30:00,000
Speaker 8: I've never had. I don't think I've had a good

573
00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:01,080
Speaker 8: experience with him.

574
00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:06,880
Speaker 9: But but he allowed me to use music when he

575
00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:08,400
Speaker 9: wasn't allowing anybody to use.

576
00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:11,720
Speaker 7: What does that mean? I'm sorry? Does that mean I

577
00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:13,040
Speaker 7: never had a good experience.

578
00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:16,720
Speaker 11: I think what it might have been because I kind

579
00:30:16,760 --> 00:30:19,400
Speaker 11: of viewed you as a prince figure because you did

580
00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:20,480
Speaker 11: it all and I.

581
00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:23,880
Speaker 9: Was cool with like me and Jerome Benton was super cool.

582
00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:26,120
Speaker 9: Me and Marris were cool, you know. So I don't

583
00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:29,080
Speaker 9: I don't know. And I know that members like Tony

584
00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:32,960
Speaker 9: m and other members of the crew would tell me

585
00:30:33,080 --> 00:30:38,000
Speaker 9: that they listened as a collective listen to my music.

586
00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:43,680
Speaker 9: So so I guess that I was in and around.

587
00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:45,120
Speaker 8: I guess that helped out.

588
00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:48,640
Speaker 9: But like I said, my personal interactions with him personally

589
00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:54,280
Speaker 9: was never like it was not a super dope experience.

590
00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:04,680
Speaker 6: Talk about Tasha, like I have, I have a thing

591
00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:06,920
Speaker 6: where I just always keep tabs on, like all like

592
00:31:07,040 --> 00:31:08,200
Speaker 6: obscure arm and B singers.

593
00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:12,440
Speaker 9: So Tasha, this is a very interesting story. And I

594
00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:15,840
Speaker 9: never let her live it down. Man, I get her

595
00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:24,760
Speaker 9: every time. So Tasha and my girl Angie Angie would

596
00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:27,640
Speaker 9: later on go on to write Empire State of Matt

597
00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:36,360
Speaker 9: the singing part. But Angie and Tasha Angie used to

598
00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:39,800
Speaker 9: know my boy. How Angie introduced me to Tasha. I

599
00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:42,680
Speaker 9: used to think she looked like Shade, and then she

600
00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:44,360
Speaker 9: said she could sing. So I wanted to make like

601
00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:46,200
Speaker 9: hip hop Shota records.

602
00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:48,840
Speaker 8: And they were a group.

603
00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:50,880
Speaker 9: I can't even remember the group that I named them.

604
00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:52,840
Speaker 9: They were like my version of Salt and Pepper but

605
00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:56,360
Speaker 9: singing and rapping, and I made like the.

606
00:31:56,400 --> 00:31:59,760
Speaker 8: Worst records for them. They were the worst.

607
00:31:59,800 --> 00:32:02,240
Speaker 9: They had a single called the mic is My Boyfriend.

608
00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:05,200
Speaker 9: It was like it was like this super whack record.

609
00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:07,880
Speaker 9: I don't know what I was. It was very whack.

610
00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:16,280
Speaker 9: But Only Only You was made for two reasons. One,

611
00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:22,600
Speaker 9: Vanessa Williams was looking for a hip hop dance type record,

612
00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:28,200
Speaker 9: and I wanted to marry Vanessa Williams, so I wrote

613
00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:33,000
Speaker 9: Only You for her and I only girl female singer

614
00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:35,360
Speaker 9: and no no and he goes even bigger thing. T

615
00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:39,280
Speaker 9: Shena Arnold. Little sister Zena went to school with me

616
00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:44,200
Speaker 9: and Zanae is a incredible singer. So Zenay I brought

617
00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:47,880
Speaker 9: Zenay from school. Can you sing this song? I wrote

618
00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:53,040
Speaker 9: called only You? So Zena sings only You, and I

619
00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:56,920
Speaker 9: want Zena to be down. But they were very religious

620
00:32:57,360 --> 00:33:01,360
Speaker 9: and their pops was not half in the secular music,

621
00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:04,120
Speaker 9: not at all. So the second singer they only knew two,

622
00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:05,840
Speaker 9: and the second one was Tasha.

623
00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:06,720
Speaker 3: Where you're from?

624
00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:10,880
Speaker 9: Tasha's from Brooklyn, from East flat Bush, Brooklyn. So Tasha

625
00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:15,200
Speaker 9: comes in, and if you really listen to Only You,

626
00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:19,920
Speaker 9: you will hear two separate singers. So Tasha singing, Tasha

627
00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:24,480
Speaker 9: singing the lead, and a lot of the ad libs,

628
00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:27,840
Speaker 9: but the first hook, the first hook ad libs is

629
00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:32,240
Speaker 9: an A and the harmonies in A and then Tasha

630
00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:35,600
Speaker 9: comes in after that. So that was and I didn't

631
00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:41,480
Speaker 9: care because it was a demo for Vanessa Williams wait,

632
00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:42,920
Speaker 9: so supposed to.

633
00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:45,720
Speaker 7: Say, yeah, I can't, I won't even hear that loud.

634
00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:52,960
Speaker 5: And that was comfort zone one.

635
00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:57,080
Speaker 7: This would have been giving you the benefit.

636
00:33:58,400 --> 00:33:59,320
Speaker 5: STUF was eighty eight.

637
00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:05,960
Speaker 9: What song replaced nothing replaced it because I missed the album.

638
00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:11,240
Speaker 9: Ah okay, so Herbie pretty much put me onto it,

639
00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:13,640
Speaker 9: excuse me, and Herbie wanted I think Herbie wanted me

640
00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:14,920
Speaker 9: to do it, and then he was going to say

641
00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:19,799
Speaker 9: he produced it, and so it just didn't happen. But

642
00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:23,400
Speaker 9: then at the same time, radio was doing this campaign

643
00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:26,200
Speaker 9: against rap and they would do this thing called a

644
00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:30,200
Speaker 9: no Rap work Day ninety nine was the first station,

645
00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:38,240
Speaker 9: but it was around the country or no rap crap Yes, so.

646
00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:42,000
Speaker 8: From six am to six pm, no rap was allowed.

647
00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:42,680
Speaker 3: Wow.

648
00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:46,799
Speaker 9: So my thing was, Yo, put this record out. Don't

649
00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:50,040
Speaker 9: say it's a rap record. Act like it's an R

650
00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:55,480
Speaker 9: and B record from Atlantic. You know, let the arm

651
00:34:55,520 --> 00:34:58,640
Speaker 9: because because Atlantic was separating, it was Atlantic Street, and

652
00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:01,960
Speaker 9: Atlantic Street would do all hip hop Atlantic Proper would

653
00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:04,880
Speaker 9: do like in the Vogue records and everything. So like, no,

654
00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:09,279
Speaker 9: let the Atlantic Proper push this record to radio and

655
00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:12,200
Speaker 9: let's see what happens. Wake up six in the morning

656
00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:13,880
Speaker 9: and it goes only you. So it was just like

657
00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:18,840
Speaker 9: it was really a social social experiment. But back to Tasha,

658
00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:25,319
Speaker 9: I'm rambling. So Tasha, Sylvia gave Tasha a deal. So

659
00:35:25,600 --> 00:35:28,000
Speaker 9: I go in the studio and while I'm recording my second,

660
00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:32,160
Speaker 9: my third album, I'm recording Tasha's album at the same time.

661
00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:35,920
Speaker 9: We actually and why you probably saw me in Philly

662
00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:40,640
Speaker 9: a lot.

663
00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:39,720
Speaker 8: Stone Creek Studios.

664
00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:41,879
Speaker 9: The boys Man Studio used to be a studio called

665
00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:47,319
Speaker 9: K JIM, and I pretty much owned K JAM. I

666
00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:52,000
Speaker 9: had a house in Manyunk and I rented, and I

667
00:35:52,080 --> 00:35:55,560
Speaker 9: lived in KJM and.

668
00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:57,160
Speaker 8: You know all the owners. You know, we were all

669
00:35:57,200 --> 00:35:57,880
Speaker 8: good friends.

670
00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:00,360
Speaker 9: And I was doing the two albums, was at the

671
00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:06,640
Speaker 9: same time, and the album got finished. I don't know

672
00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:08,920
Speaker 9: if it was good, And honestly, I can't say if

673
00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:09,760
Speaker 9: it was good because.

674
00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:14,080
Speaker 3: I wasn't like my boyfriend's song scrap, but my.

675
00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:17,960
Speaker 9: R and B chops wasn't where they like they are now,

676
00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:22,080
Speaker 9: so it was just it wasn't. Yeah, I would bring

677
00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:24,960
Speaker 9: I would bring some you know, like I'm I can't

678
00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:26,680
Speaker 9: play every instrument in the world, so I would bring

679
00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:31,239
Speaker 9: people in, but you know, I would play it, you know,

680
00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:34,160
Speaker 9: electronically first and then you know, have somebody come in and.

681
00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:40,239
Speaker 8: So so mainly strings, mainly horns. I don't like.

682
00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:42,959
Speaker 9: I don't like fake strings and horns for nothing, and

683
00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:45,160
Speaker 9: I don't like fake guitars or bass so you know,

684
00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:47,640
Speaker 9: those four elements always.

685
00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:49,160
Speaker 8: Put in.

686
00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:54,520
Speaker 9: And then after recording that album, Tasha and I were

687
00:36:54,560 --> 00:37:01,080
Speaker 9: in a relationship, and during that record we stopped being

688
00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:07,440
Speaker 9: in a relationship, and she became, she became and you know,

689
00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:10,840
Speaker 9: she got into a high school boyfriend, high school sweetheart

690
00:37:11,040 --> 00:37:13,799
Speaker 9: and later her husband, and so they're in their relationship

691
00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:15,960
Speaker 9: and he's full roster.

692
00:37:18,200 --> 00:37:20,960
Speaker 8: So she becomes full roster dead in the middle of this.

693
00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:23,279
Speaker 7: What does that mean? What does that tell me?

694
00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:26,480
Speaker 9: Because you know, she starts, you know, she starts coming

695
00:37:26,520 --> 00:37:30,360
Speaker 9: in locks, she starts coming in looking like Freddie from

696
00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:36,520
Speaker 9: a different, different world. And and and for me, I

697
00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:39,600
Speaker 9: understood that the nineties were coming in and that was

698
00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:43,920
Speaker 9: the wave. But for me, I was like, yo, if

699
00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:47,439
Speaker 9: it ain't GQ, it ain't strictly GQ going to fly. Nah, man,

700
00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:49,960
Speaker 9: you're looking crazy out here looking them.

701
00:37:50,239 --> 00:37:52,040
Speaker 8: Yeah, I was one of them.

702
00:37:52,239 --> 00:37:56,279
Speaker 9: So you know, you know, it's like no, don't you

703
00:37:56,320 --> 00:37:58,960
Speaker 9: know people were, you know, replacing flat tops for locks.

704
00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:01,440
Speaker 8: And it was like, no, you got to keep sharp.

705
00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:04,120
Speaker 8: You know. It was just on my little one year

706
00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:06,520
Speaker 8: dumb stuff. So so she.

707
00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:11,560
Speaker 9: And and and you know, nothing against anybody who partakes

708
00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:15,600
Speaker 9: in in the Mary Jane, but I'm not. I don't drink,

709
00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:19,280
Speaker 9: I don't smoke, and I don't want that in my environment,

710
00:38:19,320 --> 00:38:22,719
Speaker 9: my work environment. I want my work environment conducive to

711
00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:26,640
Speaker 9: how I live so I can have the best creative process.

712
00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:27,200
Speaker 8: That's just me.

713
00:38:27,719 --> 00:38:36,520
Speaker 4: So if you so, when.

714
00:38:36,520 --> 00:38:42,400
Speaker 9: You're full blown Rosta, you're you're your outlook is different

715
00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:46,840
Speaker 9: than that. So we started clashing creatively, but we still

716
00:38:47,120 --> 00:38:54,440
Speaker 9: pushed on. But then from Roster they became like super saved.

717
00:38:54,120 --> 00:38:57,160
Speaker 7: Christ that the Jeho.

718
00:38:57,280 --> 00:39:00,200
Speaker 8: Yeah, so the super like I'm talking to about.

719
00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:04,040
Speaker 9: It's quite a swing, right, but that's that's Tasha. So

720
00:39:05,239 --> 00:39:07,520
Speaker 9: she knows that I'm not saying anything bad about her.

721
00:39:07,560 --> 00:39:09,680
Speaker 9: She understands how teaser every I talk to her all

722
00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:15,440
Speaker 9: the time. So so Tasha becomes, you know, the female

723
00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:20,080
Speaker 9: Jerry Farwell or somebody. She's like, she's like a missionary,

724
00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:24,600
Speaker 9: like everything is God is great, Guy is good good cool? No, no, no,

725
00:39:24,840 --> 00:39:31,120
Speaker 9: she's back to so she's like a mix of everything.

726
00:39:31,160 --> 00:39:37,640
Speaker 9: Now actually she's half Roster have Tasha have evangelists. So

727
00:39:37,680 --> 00:39:40,480
Speaker 9: the album is done and it's being mastered. At this point,

728
00:39:41,640 --> 00:39:45,680
Speaker 9: her solo album y she called Sylvia. The Lord tells

729
00:39:45,719 --> 00:39:49,120
Speaker 9: me I cannot move any further.

730
00:39:49,239 --> 00:39:52,759
Speaker 8: Oh the Lord with this literally music.

731
00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:54,520
Speaker 7: For her signature saying something different though.

732
00:39:55,920 --> 00:39:59,680
Speaker 8: I request and my church requests, let me out of

733
00:39:59,680 --> 00:40:00,200
Speaker 8: my car.

734
00:40:00,719 --> 00:40:03,280
Speaker 7: So what please tell me with Sylvia?

735
00:40:05,719 --> 00:40:13,279
Speaker 12: Yeah whatever, Because you think about it like this, A

736
00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:16,359
Speaker 12: lot of artists don't seem to understand there are two

737
00:40:16,560 --> 00:40:19,200
Speaker 12: and I think Tasha probably fell into this category.

738
00:40:19,880 --> 00:40:22,239
Speaker 9: And you know, artists will never want to admit it

739
00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:26,880
Speaker 9: or or fear that fear this, but there are certain

740
00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:30,239
Speaker 9: artists that are signed just for a tax right off.

741
00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:35,040
Speaker 9: A label gets a high budget every quarter, so you gotta.

742
00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:35,600
Speaker 3: You have to do.

743
00:40:36,719 --> 00:40:38,200
Speaker 8: You gotta dump that money. Man.

744
00:40:38,239 --> 00:40:40,040
Speaker 9: So if you give me one hundred and twenty grand

745
00:40:40,040 --> 00:40:42,400
Speaker 9: to do Tasha's album and it don't come out, that

746
00:40:42,520 --> 00:40:43,279
Speaker 9: is a write off.

747
00:40:43,320 --> 00:40:45,000
Speaker 8: That is a good thing for.

748
00:40:45,080 --> 00:40:49,760
Speaker 9: You and your your your your your quarterly balanced because

749
00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:52,319
Speaker 9: it was something you spent. It didn't work cool, but

750
00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:55,120
Speaker 9: it was an expense. It was a loss, and now

751
00:40:55,160 --> 00:40:58,160
Speaker 9: we don't have to pay this much tax, so I

752
00:40:58,200 --> 00:41:01,759
Speaker 9: think so. So you know, at that time, Sylvie had

753
00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:05,760
Speaker 9: Keith Sweat, she had Gerald of Vert, she had in Vogue.

754
00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:07,680
Speaker 9: Buster was coming in.

755
00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:12,080
Speaker 8: You know, It's like Tasha, you know.

756
00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:15,000
Speaker 9: And and nothing against the music that I did or Tasha,

757
00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:19,680
Speaker 9: but it was just you know, it wasn't it didn't

758
00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:23,200
Speaker 9: it didn't make a dent in her so with then

759
00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:28,280
Speaker 9: Tasha started working for ASCAP and became head of special

760
00:41:28,360 --> 00:41:31,920
Speaker 9: Awards at ASCAP. And she did that for a while.

761
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:34,200
Speaker 9: You know, her and her husband got married at a

762
00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:38,879
Speaker 9: child they opened a dope candy store and parks Little

763
00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:42,240
Speaker 9: Brooklyn called rappers Delight to put a dope candy store,

764
00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:44,560
Speaker 9: you know, you know, and that that lasted for a

765
00:41:44,640 --> 00:41:48,359
Speaker 9: few years and then you know, she just she's living life.

766
00:41:48,360 --> 00:41:50,680
Speaker 9: She you know, she sings when she feels like singing,

767
00:41:50,719 --> 00:41:53,319
Speaker 9: but you know, she just she's a mom.

768
00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:58,359
Speaker 4: Okay, I have a question that concerns my group. How

769
00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:04,040
Speaker 4: did you discover Kamal when he was newborn? You don't

770
00:42:04,040 --> 00:42:05,440
Speaker 4: know that newborn.

771
00:42:06,719 --> 00:42:09,520
Speaker 5: They kind of had a cover of I forget their name.

772
00:42:09,560 --> 00:42:10,640
Speaker 5: They sound like a law for him.

773
00:42:15,239 --> 00:42:19,920
Speaker 8: That came out newborn newborn, I mean Camal.

774
00:42:21,040 --> 00:42:21,919
Speaker 3: I'm sorry.

775
00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:25,040
Speaker 9: Jimmy, Jimmy, well he was Jimmy at the time. Dave

776
00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:26,680
Speaker 9: Howard was Jimmy like fourteen.

777
00:42:28,080 --> 00:42:32,600
Speaker 4: He was fourteen, So Jimmy always stuck out.

778
00:42:33,160 --> 00:42:35,840
Speaker 8: Well, like I said, he was fourteen he was fourteen.

779
00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:39,920
Speaker 9: I was nineteen, so eighteen and yeah, I was like

780
00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:43,879
Speaker 9: nineteen and the owner of k Jem Studios, my man,

781
00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:50,319
Speaker 9: Kurt Kurt Sure Kurt, brought the group to me. And

782
00:42:50,520 --> 00:42:53,480
Speaker 9: there was a group out of North Philly. It was

783
00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:55,600
Speaker 9: a young kid at the time. He was seven years

784
00:42:55,600 --> 00:43:02,640
Speaker 9: old and he was a drumming prodigy. His name is Sammy,

785
00:43:02,680 --> 00:43:06,520
Speaker 9: and Sammy was he was a prodigy and his father

786
00:43:07,239 --> 00:43:11,280
Speaker 9: was a prodigy, Big Sammy, and so they wanted to

787
00:43:11,360 --> 00:43:15,560
Speaker 9: form a hip hop Jackson five things. So it was

788
00:43:15,600 --> 00:43:20,200
Speaker 9: Sammy on the drums and rhyming, and his sister on

789
00:43:20,239 --> 00:43:23,440
Speaker 9: a keyboard, and then there was a cousin on the bass. No,

790
00:43:23,560 --> 00:43:25,560
Speaker 9: there was a brother, Mike. Mike was on the bass,

791
00:43:25,640 --> 00:43:30,440
Speaker 9: and then another cousin played another keyboard, and that was

792
00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:36,319
Speaker 9: the group. But the music wasn't wasn't dope, and they

793
00:43:36,440 --> 00:43:38,799
Speaker 9: had a deal. I can't even remember what deal. I

794
00:43:38,800 --> 00:43:40,839
Speaker 9: think there was like TVT, I can't even remember what

795
00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:44,880
Speaker 9: label this was. They had a deal, but it just

796
00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:48,480
Speaker 9: wasn't dope. So they brought me in to clean up.

797
00:43:49,040 --> 00:43:52,160
Speaker 9: They brought me in to rewrite all the rhymes, teach

798
00:43:52,239 --> 00:43:55,600
Speaker 9: him how to rhyme, redo all the ideas that they

799
00:43:55,640 --> 00:44:01,680
Speaker 9: already had relativity. Relativity, yes, teach him how to do

800
00:44:01,760 --> 00:44:03,880
Speaker 9: you know, redo the records? So you know, I was

801
00:44:03,880 --> 00:44:09,360
Speaker 9: the cleanup man. But the father wasn't having it. He

802
00:44:09,640 --> 00:44:14,279
Speaker 9: was like, I don't want to say Joe Jackson, yo.

803
00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:17,440
Speaker 9: It was it was different, man. It was like that

804
00:44:17,680 --> 00:44:21,000
Speaker 9: Falling in Love record that I did did very well

805
00:44:21,160 --> 00:44:25,000
Speaker 9: in certain regions. So we would perform at six Flags

806
00:44:25,520 --> 00:44:27,520
Speaker 9: and I would be in the group. I would be like,

807
00:44:27,600 --> 00:44:30,239
Speaker 9: how how you would have like Rashad Smith on the

808
00:44:30,280 --> 00:44:32,040
Speaker 9: drum machine while the real band I would be like

809
00:44:32,120 --> 00:44:36,759
Speaker 9: on my NPC playing with the band and probably a

810
00:44:36,840 --> 00:44:39,600
Speaker 9: keyboard here and there, just to keep that element going.

811
00:44:40,280 --> 00:44:44,560
Speaker 9: And they were so afraid of their dad that they

812
00:44:44,600 --> 00:44:49,400
Speaker 9: would perform to the side to him. There would be

813
00:44:49,520 --> 00:44:52,600
Speaker 9: ten thousand people in the audience, but they would performed

814
00:44:52,640 --> 00:44:56,480
Speaker 9: to the dad, and the father would be giving thumbs

815
00:44:56,520 --> 00:45:02,880
Speaker 9: up and thumbs down during the performance and extremely abusive,

816
00:45:04,320 --> 00:45:07,839
Speaker 9: extremely abusive, to the point where he had to get

817
00:45:07,880 --> 00:45:10,880
Speaker 9: dealt with, like between me and the dad, you know,

818
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:15,960
Speaker 9: and I think my bond would Kamal was based on

819
00:45:16,120 --> 00:45:20,320
Speaker 9: that because we weren't When Kamal was on the guitar

820
00:45:20,600 --> 00:45:25,960
Speaker 9: so when he was brought in, he was the guitar

821
00:45:25,960 --> 00:45:27,040
Speaker 9: player slash barber.

822
00:45:27,120 --> 00:45:28,880
Speaker 5: He played guitar with us sometimes before.

823
00:45:34,080 --> 00:45:39,560
Speaker 9: So Kamal and I bonded because we were the We

824
00:45:39,560 --> 00:45:42,680
Speaker 9: were the outside guys. We weren't in their family. So

825
00:45:42,760 --> 00:45:44,520
Speaker 9: it would be like, yo, man, did you see what

826
00:45:44,560 --> 00:45:47,279
Speaker 9: the pops just did to the brother, like you know,

827
00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:49,480
Speaker 9: and and and and I kind of like gripped him

828
00:45:49,520 --> 00:45:51,720
Speaker 9: up like little brother, you know what I'm saying, And

829
00:45:51,719 --> 00:45:57,680
Speaker 9: and and and That's how we we bonded from that

830
00:45:57,760 --> 00:46:02,240
Speaker 9: group because we would go on the road like and

831
00:46:02,239 --> 00:46:04,880
Speaker 9: and like Gilly the kids. Pops was down with the

832
00:46:04,920 --> 00:46:07,480
Speaker 9: whole thing too, so young Gilly would be around like

833
00:46:08,120 --> 00:46:13,640
Speaker 9: eight year old kid, you know. So so it would

834
00:46:13,680 --> 00:46:17,799
Speaker 9: be like and you know, rest in peace because old

835
00:46:17,800 --> 00:46:21,400
Speaker 9: the Samy's dead, so I can tell the story. We

836
00:46:21,400 --> 00:46:25,480
Speaker 9: would be in k jam and I remember, you know,

837
00:46:25,480 --> 00:46:28,160
Speaker 9: they would getting the advance and the father had no

838
00:46:28,239 --> 00:46:30,799
Speaker 9: teeth in his mouth. Father would come and like, you know, man,

839
00:46:32,080 --> 00:46:34,240
Speaker 9: you know, we write these records and we do these things.

840
00:46:34,239 --> 00:46:34,439
Speaker 8: Man.

841
00:46:34,560 --> 00:46:37,239
Speaker 9: You know, you know, I like the fact that you

842
00:46:37,320 --> 00:46:40,040
Speaker 9: came in with your published, with your records and everything.

843
00:46:40,080 --> 00:46:43,279
Speaker 9: But you know, I gotta say I wrote them records. Man,

844
00:46:44,320 --> 00:46:47,719
Speaker 9: I'm like, well, first of all, you know, I'm not

845
00:46:48,640 --> 00:46:50,799
Speaker 9: homie from down the block, you know, like I do

846
00:46:50,960 --> 00:46:53,839
Speaker 9: have a name to myself, you know, so let's let's

847
00:46:53,840 --> 00:46:56,319
Speaker 9: not forget this. Second of all, there's no way you're

848
00:46:56,320 --> 00:46:59,320
Speaker 9: gonna get my publishing. Oh man, I'm getting that publishing.

849
00:47:00,120 --> 00:47:03,480
Speaker 9: And you ain't gonna leave this studio without it a word.

850
00:47:04,040 --> 00:47:07,359
Speaker 9: So we get to rumbling in the studio what so

851
00:47:07,600 --> 00:47:12,280
Speaker 9: like very much? So yes, I mean, you know, but

852
00:47:12,280 --> 00:47:16,080
Speaker 9: but so we're we're in the studio and it doesn't

853
00:47:16,120 --> 00:47:20,040
Speaker 9: turn out well for Sammy. But the funny thing is

854
00:47:20,080 --> 00:47:22,520
Speaker 9: we have to go on tour the next day, so

855
00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:25,600
Speaker 9: I wish I could find this video. We're sitting on

856
00:47:25,640 --> 00:47:28,319
Speaker 9: the plane sam he got the busted lip. I got

857
00:47:28,320 --> 00:47:31,640
Speaker 9: a busted lip. Were all sitting there like the next

858
00:47:31,640 --> 00:47:36,520
Speaker 9: thing we gotta do is a six flag show. And

859
00:47:36,520 --> 00:47:38,600
Speaker 9: then I was like why am I and me? And

860
00:47:38,760 --> 00:47:41,080
Speaker 9: Camal's like why are you even here? Like why are

861
00:47:41,120 --> 00:47:43,400
Speaker 9: you even dealing with this? And I'm like, why are

862
00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:47,320
Speaker 9: you dealing with this? And then I remember he called

863
00:47:47,320 --> 00:47:49,440
Speaker 9: me up one day He's like, yo, man, being another group.

864
00:47:50,640 --> 00:47:51,239
Speaker 3: What it's like, Yo?

865
00:47:51,280 --> 00:47:53,520
Speaker 9: The roots I'm gonna be in the roots, like yeah, right,

866
00:47:54,120 --> 00:47:56,479
Speaker 9: And I remember he gave me a call the day

867
00:47:56,640 --> 00:48:02,480
Speaker 9: whatever whatever y'all did the yeah that because matter of fact,

868
00:48:03,120 --> 00:48:07,120
Speaker 9: me and him went to see y'all at the track

869
00:48:07,160 --> 00:48:12,040
Speaker 9: of Darrow I believe opening for Trot Yeah, and I

870
00:48:12,120 --> 00:48:13,919
Speaker 9: was like, Yo, that is the dope group.

871
00:48:13,960 --> 00:48:17,640
Speaker 8: It's like, yeah, man, it's they do. So for them

872
00:48:17,680 --> 00:48:19,680
Speaker 8: to tell me, for him to call me, it's.

873
00:48:19,520 --> 00:48:20,640
Speaker 5: Like maybe that group be seen.

874
00:48:21,640 --> 00:48:21,799
Speaker 3: You know.

875
00:48:21,840 --> 00:48:24,040
Speaker 8: I'm in that group now, and I'm like, show that's

876
00:48:24,080 --> 00:48:25,279
Speaker 8: what you want to do? You know?

877
00:48:25,400 --> 00:48:28,720
Speaker 9: Is it anything like Newborn? It's like the real everybody

878
00:48:28,760 --> 00:48:30,520
Speaker 9: knows how to play the music, you know, not like

879
00:48:30,600 --> 00:48:31,240
Speaker 9: just one person.

880
00:48:34,080 --> 00:48:36,600
Speaker 8: So so you know, you know that's how you know

881
00:48:36,680 --> 00:48:39,640
Speaker 8: we are bonders. You know a bond is that old?

882
00:48:40,200 --> 00:48:40,319
Speaker 3: Wo?

883
00:48:41,520 --> 00:48:43,239
Speaker 8: So now you know why I hang out backstage you

884
00:48:43,280 --> 00:48:43,560
Speaker 8: see me.

885
00:48:44,600 --> 00:48:46,200
Speaker 5: I'm doing I proud.

886
00:48:46,600 --> 00:48:50,960
Speaker 4: I'm gonna I'm gonna ask this question from a different angle, right.

887
00:48:52,440 --> 00:48:54,960
Speaker 5: Have you and Biggie ever had a sit down or

888
00:48:55,120 --> 00:48:55,680
Speaker 5: talk before?

889
00:48:56,480 --> 00:48:56,719
Speaker 3: Never?

890
00:48:56,960 --> 00:49:00,719
Speaker 8: Yes? Oh more than that what.

891
00:49:08,360 --> 00:49:10,040
Speaker 3: You made it because you made a record on him?

892
00:49:10,320 --> 00:49:10,520
Speaker 5: No?

893
00:49:10,520 --> 00:49:13,480
Speaker 8: No, never, I never made a record on Biggie.

894
00:49:13,520 --> 00:49:18,520
Speaker 9: But the video had visuals that that record was done right,

895
00:49:18,560 --> 00:49:20,640
Speaker 9: It was like a year before Ready To That even

896
00:49:20,680 --> 00:49:25,040
Speaker 9: came out. That record was done going through a real

897
00:49:25,080 --> 00:49:31,080
Speaker 9: whack period on a real whack independent label. And yeah,

898
00:49:29,480 --> 00:49:31,400
Speaker 9: it's wow.

899
00:49:31,760 --> 00:49:32,759
Speaker 8: That was that.

900
00:49:32,760 --> 00:49:38,280
Speaker 9: That experience is a movie in itself in Atlanta, Kennesaw, Georgia,

901
00:49:45,160 --> 00:49:47,520
Speaker 9: and it was it was run by an old English,

902
00:49:47,600 --> 00:49:49,080
Speaker 9: proper english man named John.

903
00:49:49,719 --> 00:49:51,760
Speaker 8: And John would sip his tea every day.

904
00:49:51,600 --> 00:49:55,759
Speaker 9: At four o'clock and and he would tell us what

905
00:49:55,880 --> 00:49:58,520
Speaker 9: to you know, we do not want samples on this record.

906
00:49:59,160 --> 00:50:01,320
Speaker 9: We would like you to like all your live instrument

907
00:50:02,719 --> 00:50:06,160
Speaker 9: wrong and you know, very proper. And you know, you

908
00:50:06,200 --> 00:50:09,680
Speaker 9: would go into John's office and you're like in somewhere

909
00:50:09,719 --> 00:50:13,440
Speaker 9: in Surrey, somewhere. You know, it wasn't like anything. You

910
00:50:13,480 --> 00:50:15,000
Speaker 9: didn't even think you were in Georgia.

911
00:50:15,000 --> 00:50:15,239
Speaker 8: It were.

912
00:50:15,280 --> 00:50:19,279
Speaker 9: He had like toy trains and weird stuff. So but

913
00:50:19,880 --> 00:50:21,680
Speaker 9: so we do this at your Bond record.

914
00:50:22,040 --> 00:50:23,120
Speaker 3: And this is the Incognito.

915
00:50:23,280 --> 00:50:27,680
Speaker 9: Yes, Incognito album actually my favorite, one of my favorite productions,

916
00:50:27,719 --> 00:50:31,680
Speaker 9: honestly because I was forced to learn not to sample,

917
00:50:32,760 --> 00:50:35,399
Speaker 9: you know, I was forced to bring in a lot

918
00:50:35,400 --> 00:50:40,520
Speaker 9: of live instrumentation and singers and just re imagine things

919
00:50:40,520 --> 00:50:42,600
Speaker 9: that I could have easily sampled, and it was like,

920
00:50:42,719 --> 00:50:46,520
Speaker 9: now now I'm gonna go in and actually be a producer.

921
00:50:46,640 --> 00:50:47,759
Speaker 8: That I did.

922
00:50:47,840 --> 00:50:54,440
Speaker 9: I become so so with Big I.

923
00:50:54,440 --> 00:50:56,040
Speaker 8: Never took it personally.

924
00:50:57,080 --> 00:51:00,319
Speaker 9: Somebody sent me the tape, a tape of the song

925
00:51:00,440 --> 00:51:03,520
Speaker 9: like maybe six months before a record came out. I

926
00:51:03,520 --> 00:51:05,839
Speaker 9: thought it was dope. I loved the record. I love Unbelievable,

927
00:51:06,480 --> 00:51:12,440
Speaker 9: and I think people made it bigger than what it

928
00:51:12,640 --> 00:51:20,879
Speaker 9: was because the wave changed so drastic that whatever bad

929
00:51:20,920 --> 00:51:25,080
Speaker 9: Boy said or whatever death Row said was lost. So

930
00:51:25,920 --> 00:51:29,040
Speaker 9: here you go somebody like me. You know, I have

931
00:51:29,160 --> 00:51:32,479
Speaker 9: no beef with nobody. You know, I'm not that type

932
00:51:32,480 --> 00:51:34,239
Speaker 9: of guy in any way, shape or form, you know,

933
00:51:35,160 --> 00:51:40,879
Speaker 9: for the most part, and and everything that I represented

934
00:51:41,080 --> 00:51:43,239
Speaker 9: was about, you know, just being laid back, cool, fun,

935
00:51:43,320 --> 00:51:46,320
Speaker 9: having fun, blah blah blah. So then you have Biggie

936
00:51:46,400 --> 00:51:50,600
Speaker 9: come out say that, you know, my style life has

937
00:51:50,640 --> 00:51:52,440
Speaker 9: played out like the polkas blah blah blah.

938
00:51:52,480 --> 00:51:52,919
Speaker 3: It's cool.

939
00:51:53,960 --> 00:51:59,239
Speaker 9: But then people take that literally. You know, it's like

940
00:51:59,360 --> 00:52:02,680
Speaker 9: it was a literal thing. I would come some going

941
00:52:02,960 --> 00:52:05,920
Speaker 9: somewhere and it's like I don't let quame in.

942
00:52:05,960 --> 00:52:08,520
Speaker 8: He's played out like, you know what, stupid shit like that.

943
00:52:09,280 --> 00:52:15,520
Speaker 8: So Incognito album comes out, and.

944
00:52:16,960 --> 00:52:20,040
Speaker 9: My only way to address it because this is not

945
00:52:20,080 --> 00:52:22,640
Speaker 9: like the land of you know, you can make an album.

946
00:52:22,840 --> 00:52:25,160
Speaker 8: You know, you have forty eight hours to respond.

947
00:52:25,320 --> 00:52:29,400
Speaker 9: You know, all right, that doesn't happen in nineteen ninety

948
00:52:29,400 --> 00:52:32,839
Speaker 9: three ninety four. So it's like I gotta go and

949
00:52:32,840 --> 00:52:34,680
Speaker 9: make a record, you know what I'm saying. I gotta

950
00:52:34,680 --> 00:52:36,560
Speaker 9: make a whole full record and get it pressed up

951
00:52:36,560 --> 00:52:39,359
Speaker 9: and hand it to DJ. You know, like I don't

952
00:52:39,400 --> 00:52:42,960
Speaker 9: have time on money for that, you know. So the

953
00:52:43,000 --> 00:52:46,359
Speaker 9: only way to respond some way is to put a

954
00:52:46,400 --> 00:52:48,239
Speaker 9: Biggie look alike in the What's It Like?

955
00:52:48,360 --> 00:52:48,640
Speaker 8: Video?

956
00:52:48,680 --> 00:52:52,840
Speaker 9: And it was just him in the background and people

957
00:52:53,400 --> 00:52:55,120
Speaker 9: throwing stuff at him while he was on stage and

958
00:52:56,520 --> 00:52:59,960
Speaker 9: his shirt said sad boy or whatever. And the thing was,

959
00:53:00,120 --> 00:53:03,480
Speaker 9: Biggie was so hot at the time. Even the extras

960
00:53:03,760 --> 00:53:04,680
Speaker 9: was not trying.

961
00:53:04,440 --> 00:53:05,279
Speaker 3: To do it.

962
00:53:05,120 --> 00:53:07,120
Speaker 9: It's like, yo, man, we can't do that, man, you know,

963
00:53:07,440 --> 00:53:10,200
Speaker 9: woof we come in here. They thought everything he said

964
00:53:10,280 --> 00:53:11,920
Speaker 9: was like, really, he might shoot us, man, he might,

965
00:53:12,200 --> 00:53:18,000
Speaker 9: you know, like they were so brainwashed and some people

966
00:53:18,040 --> 00:53:20,040
Speaker 9: still are, you know, like you know, it's like he's

967
00:53:20,120 --> 00:53:23,440
Speaker 9: God to a lot of people, so you know, the

968
00:53:23,520 --> 00:53:27,600
Speaker 9: brainwash was serious. So there was this thing if you actually,

969
00:53:27,640 --> 00:53:30,800
Speaker 9: if you listen to reasonable doubt, there's a skit and

970
00:53:30,960 --> 00:53:32,759
Speaker 9: a lady named Maria Davis, and she does a thing

971
00:53:32,840 --> 00:53:33,800
Speaker 9: called Mad Wednesdays.

972
00:53:34,560 --> 00:53:38,960
Speaker 8: So that's a real thing. So Mad Wednesdays.

973
00:53:39,719 --> 00:53:46,000
Speaker 9: So on Mad Wednesday, I was supposed to perform. Was

974
00:53:46,000 --> 00:53:49,399
Speaker 9: Biggie supposed to perform, Dave or was he just there? Yeah,

975
00:53:49,440 --> 00:53:53,360
Speaker 9: So everybody came out to see to see me perform,

976
00:53:53,800 --> 00:54:00,480
Speaker 9: and big was there. Meann't say anything, but Marie just

977
00:54:00,480 --> 00:54:02,080
Speaker 9: like straight instigated it.

978
00:54:02,160 --> 00:54:02,359
Speaker 10: Man.

979
00:54:02,440 --> 00:54:08,000
Speaker 8: It's like you here, Biggie's here. Why don't y'all just

980
00:54:08,000 --> 00:54:08,719
Speaker 8: deal with it now?

981
00:54:09,160 --> 00:54:17,719
Speaker 9: Oh my god, you know, why don't you deal with

982
00:54:17,760 --> 00:54:17,960
Speaker 9: it now?

983
00:54:18,000 --> 00:54:20,360
Speaker 8: Why don't y'all just deal with it now? You know

984
00:54:20,480 --> 00:54:21,759
Speaker 8: how y'all want to do it. Y'all can take it

985
00:54:21,800 --> 00:54:23,600
Speaker 8: to the stage. I can take it outside how y'all

986
00:54:23,600 --> 00:54:25,200
Speaker 8: want to do it, But y'all both here. We can't

987
00:54:25,239 --> 00:54:27,200
Speaker 8: have y'all both here and have this issue.

988
00:54:27,560 --> 00:54:36,200
Speaker 9: So it's so funny because it's like I'm still me,

989
00:54:36,560 --> 00:54:38,320
Speaker 9: so I'm in a I remember exactly what I was

990
00:54:38,320 --> 00:54:41,080
Speaker 9: when I was in a full black, like a money

991
00:54:41,200 --> 00:54:45,920
Speaker 9: suit with slip slip ons and a black turtleneck looking

992
00:54:46,000 --> 00:54:50,919
Speaker 9: like shaft And I remember Big in one of those

993
00:54:51,080 --> 00:54:55,319
Speaker 9: nasty looking coogie sweaters and he came over and he's

994
00:54:55,440 --> 00:54:58,560
Speaker 9: like five times bigger than me. I'm like only five six,

995
00:54:58,960 --> 00:55:02,719
Speaker 9: he's like six two sixty three. He comes over and

996
00:55:02,760 --> 00:55:07,920
Speaker 9: he's rolling like the biggest blunt I've ever seen in

997
00:55:07,920 --> 00:55:09,960
Speaker 9: my life. It was like the size of this microphone

998
00:55:10,080 --> 00:55:11,520
Speaker 9: is LANs like.

999
00:55:11,760 --> 00:55:14,120
Speaker 8: You gotta fucking problem with me. I was like, no,

1000
00:55:14,160 --> 00:55:16,920
Speaker 8: you gotta fucking problem with So we're in there talking

1001
00:55:17,000 --> 00:55:18,560
Speaker 8: and I'm like, what am I gonna do with this

1002
00:55:18,719 --> 00:55:25,280
Speaker 8: big This big motherfucker's gonna kill me and all his boys.

1003
00:55:25,600 --> 00:55:29,600
Speaker 9: And the funny thing is I know so many people

1004
00:55:29,640 --> 00:55:32,239
Speaker 9: from so many places, which is a good thing. Like

1005
00:55:32,480 --> 00:55:35,360
Speaker 9: a lot of the people that's from his area I knew.

1006
00:55:35,480 --> 00:55:38,759
Speaker 9: So it was like it was just weird to know

1007
00:55:38,840 --> 00:55:41,640
Speaker 9: that I just had a problem with this guy for.

1008
00:55:41,520 --> 00:55:42,760
Speaker 8: No real reason.

1009
00:55:44,120 --> 00:55:47,080
Speaker 9: Yeah a word, just like he said things like that

1010
00:55:47,160 --> 00:55:49,120
Speaker 9: about so many people on that album.

1011
00:55:49,560 --> 00:55:51,800
Speaker 8: But I don't know how I caught that bullet.

1012
00:55:52,239 --> 00:55:55,200
Speaker 9: So we're in there just popping ship to each other,

1013
00:55:55,520 --> 00:55:59,040
Speaker 9: and I remember little seeds came in between us.

1014
00:55:59,719 --> 00:56:03,400
Speaker 8: I think that's supposed to be loving you and being

1015
00:56:03,880 --> 00:56:05,640
Speaker 8: and all. It's just all this commotion.

1016
00:56:05,719 --> 00:56:07,960
Speaker 9: I remember the dudes that I was with, I'm naming

1017
00:56:08,080 --> 00:56:12,240
Speaker 9: no names. Am I gonna say? You, Davey?

1018
00:56:12,320 --> 00:56:12,879
Speaker 5: Where are you there?

1019
00:56:12,960 --> 00:56:19,680
Speaker 8: Where are you there? So back to yo.

1020
00:56:20,320 --> 00:56:22,279
Speaker 9: I never knew that the two guys that I was

1021
00:56:22,360 --> 00:56:28,719
Speaker 9: with knew how to moonwalk, so well, oh my god,

1022
00:56:28,760 --> 00:56:31,680
Speaker 9: there was moonwalking and I saw it's just me in

1023
00:56:31,760 --> 00:56:39,480
Speaker 9: a suit, biggie and every person in Brooklyn, everybody in

1024
00:56:39,520 --> 00:56:42,560
Speaker 9: the seven one A area. Cord was right there, and

1025
00:56:42,600 --> 00:56:47,000
Speaker 9: I was like, this is some ship. What am I

1026
00:56:47,080 --> 00:56:47,600
Speaker 9: going to do?

1027
00:56:47,840 --> 00:56:50,120
Speaker 8: So so so so.

1028
00:56:50,040 --> 00:56:52,920
Speaker 9: Then it turned into y'all not gonna fuck this place up, Buffy,

1029
00:56:53,000 --> 00:56:53,839
Speaker 9: y'all get the fuck out.

1030
00:56:54,120 --> 00:56:55,319
Speaker 8: So they kick him out the front.

1031
00:56:55,320 --> 00:56:59,560
Speaker 9: They kicked me out the back, and luckily I knew

1032
00:56:59,560 --> 00:57:07,040
Speaker 9: the area very well. All angles, just Brooklyn, dudes and all.

1033
00:57:07,120 --> 00:57:09,960
Speaker 9: And I was like, oh man, am I gonna I

1034
00:57:09,960 --> 00:57:12,160
Speaker 9: can talk my way out of anything? But I don't

1035
00:57:12,520 --> 00:57:15,840
Speaker 9: think I could talk my way out of But I

1036
00:57:15,880 --> 00:57:17,640
Speaker 9: don't know if it would have came down to it,

1037
00:57:17,880 --> 00:57:25,880
Speaker 9: but Yo, my ninja skills was on ten billion and.

1038
00:57:24,760 --> 00:57:29,240
Speaker 8: Yo, man, I there you go.

1039
00:57:30,280 --> 00:57:34,160
Speaker 9: And and that was and then I think I saw

1040
00:57:35,360 --> 00:57:39,480
Speaker 9: And it was always weird moments like that that I

1041
00:57:39,480 --> 00:57:41,960
Speaker 9: would run into him. Like one time I was in

1042
00:57:42,080 --> 00:57:46,360
Speaker 9: his neighborhood with a girl and it was in the

1043
00:57:46,480 --> 00:57:48,880
Speaker 9: middle of the night. Were walking down the street by

1044
00:57:49,000 --> 00:57:53,520
Speaker 9: BAM music by BAM in Brooklyn, and there was like

1045
00:57:53,560 --> 00:57:58,720
Speaker 9: this little alley between right when you get Flatbush and Fulton,

1046
00:57:58,720 --> 00:58:01,360
Speaker 9: there's like a small alley, and I decided to cut

1047
00:58:01,400 --> 00:58:02,560
Speaker 9: down the alley.

1048
00:58:02,840 --> 00:58:07,400
Speaker 8: In the alley is Biggie and his boys.

1049
00:58:07,440 --> 00:58:15,680
Speaker 4: I'm like, but I knew.

1050
00:58:15,720 --> 00:58:17,360
Speaker 8: I knew the car that he drove, you know, I

1051
00:58:18,040 --> 00:58:18,720
Speaker 8: knew that.

1052
00:58:20,800 --> 00:58:30,000
Speaker 9: So his head was turned and I was just like, man, I'm.

1053
00:58:29,840 --> 00:58:33,120
Speaker 8: Just not gonna deal with this man walking.

1054
00:58:36,800 --> 00:58:38,480
Speaker 3: Exactly, you know.

1055
00:58:38,560 --> 00:58:40,760
Speaker 9: And it was it was always something like that, or

1056
00:58:41,000 --> 00:58:42,960
Speaker 9: be like in a party like this. The next time,

1057
00:58:42,960 --> 00:58:45,720
Speaker 9: he was in the party and I'm trying to cut

1058
00:58:45,720 --> 00:58:48,920
Speaker 9: through the party and I go through the shortcuts, just

1059
00:58:48,960 --> 00:58:51,680
Speaker 9: me and him. He's like, he just it was just

1060
00:58:51,680 --> 00:58:52,480
Speaker 9: so fucking funny.

1061
00:58:52,520 --> 00:58:54,320
Speaker 8: We just laughed and then I just walked the other

1062
00:58:54,320 --> 00:58:55,040
Speaker 8: way and he was you know.

1063
00:58:55,080 --> 00:59:00,080
Speaker 9: It was just those kind of kind of experiences and

1064
00:59:00,080 --> 00:59:02,439
Speaker 9: and It's just so weird because I was super cool

1065
00:59:02,440 --> 00:59:06,520
Speaker 9: with puff and and and we never really addressed it,

1066
00:59:06,520 --> 00:59:08,440
Speaker 9: but then we ended up working together at times. You know,

1067
00:59:08,920 --> 00:59:12,920
Speaker 9: I've ended up working with everybody pretty much around the situation.

1068
00:59:13,120 --> 00:59:15,400
Speaker 9: So it was just like I think it was just

1069
00:59:15,520 --> 00:59:16,880
Speaker 9: more of a trumped up.

1070
00:59:17,560 --> 00:59:19,440
Speaker 4: Well I thank you because at the end of the

1071
00:59:19,440 --> 00:59:23,040
Speaker 4: what They Do video, he was after us.

1072
00:59:23,520 --> 00:59:27,120
Speaker 3: He's like, Yo, the nigga with the stick up.

1073
00:59:28,680 --> 00:59:35,600
Speaker 4: You said that that Yo, the old with the stick.

1074
00:59:37,960 --> 00:59:38,640
Speaker 5: Specified.

1075
00:59:46,960 --> 00:59:47,200
Speaker 8: Wow.

1076
00:59:47,360 --> 00:59:49,720
Speaker 6: So y'all never talked like y'all never like I guess

1077
00:59:49,880 --> 00:59:52,120
Speaker 6: squad did. It just kind of just faded away or whatever.

1078
00:59:52,600 --> 00:59:53,479
Speaker 3: They just walked.

1079
00:59:57,280 --> 00:59:59,520
Speaker 9: I got my my my Billy Jean jacket on my

1080
00:59:59,560 --> 01:00:00,320
Speaker 9: little boat time.

1081
01:00:02,680 --> 01:00:06,960
Speaker 4: Okay, so before we close, because I feel like the

1082
01:00:07,000 --> 01:00:08,720
Speaker 4: war really doesn't know.

1083
01:00:09,760 --> 01:00:12,360
Speaker 5: You didn't go anywhere. You elevate it to the next

1084
01:00:12,480 --> 01:00:16,560
Speaker 5: level with production. So was it just a do or die.

1085
01:00:16,480 --> 01:00:18,840
Speaker 3: Moment for you? Like I used to go out like

1086
01:00:18,920 --> 01:00:19,800
Speaker 3: I am?

1087
01:00:20,200 --> 01:00:25,840
Speaker 8: You know what I think? For me, music is just.

1088
01:00:28,200 --> 01:00:29,880
Speaker 9: It's not just what I do. You know a lot

1089
01:00:29,880 --> 01:00:32,040
Speaker 9: of people like you don't. You know, it's not who

1090
01:00:32,120 --> 01:00:32,640
Speaker 9: you are, it's.

1091
01:00:32,520 --> 01:00:32,840
Speaker 3: What you do.

1092
01:00:33,160 --> 01:00:38,120
Speaker 9: No, for me being creative doing music in some shape

1093
01:00:38,160 --> 01:00:41,360
Speaker 9: or form is pretty much my full makeup.

1094
01:00:41,760 --> 01:00:45,040
Speaker 4: And sir, you perplexed when people because I'm certain that

1095
01:00:45,680 --> 01:00:47,720
Speaker 4: people see you as carmea like, yo, what the hell

1096
01:00:47,800 --> 01:00:48,080
Speaker 4: you been?

1097
01:00:48,160 --> 01:00:49,240
Speaker 3: Like whatever? He fell off?

1098
01:00:49,280 --> 01:00:53,040
Speaker 5: And like when you say like no, I'm K one mill.

1099
01:00:53,080 --> 01:00:56,560
Speaker 9: No, no is it like it's not even that because

1100
01:00:56,600 --> 01:00:59,760
Speaker 9: like the K one thing that that that probably lasted

1101
01:01:00,880 --> 01:01:04,320
Speaker 9: two records, and it was because somebody talked me into like, yo,

1102
01:01:04,360 --> 01:01:05,439
Speaker 9: your name is mud Man.

1103
01:01:05,480 --> 01:01:06,760
Speaker 8: You gotta you gotta.

1104
01:01:06,800 --> 01:01:09,640
Speaker 5: Switch all this time that you were producing under.

1105
01:01:11,840 --> 01:01:16,280
Speaker 9: So it was like the Lloyd Banks on fire and

1106
01:01:16,360 --> 01:01:19,840
Speaker 9: I did a group of records. I did a Mary J.

1107
01:01:19,960 --> 01:01:23,440
Speaker 9: Blige record on her No More Drama album and uh

1108
01:01:24,480 --> 01:01:27,760
Speaker 9: two l O Cool J records, so four records and

1109
01:01:27,840 --> 01:01:28,520
Speaker 9: all in total.

1110
01:01:29,760 --> 01:01:36,360
Speaker 8: Yeah. So so after after that it came.

1111
01:01:38,320 --> 01:01:39,520
Speaker 7: I love her, She's amazing.

1112
01:01:39,760 --> 01:01:42,000
Speaker 8: JoJo's Jojo was actually dope.

1113
01:01:42,840 --> 01:01:44,160
Speaker 7: Her week and renditions.

1114
01:01:44,480 --> 01:01:46,200
Speaker 11: I heard that first album, I remember we put it

1115
01:01:46,240 --> 01:01:47,040
Speaker 11: on like what the.

1116
01:01:51,480 --> 01:01:56,680
Speaker 9: So so I think one of the the the changing

1117
01:01:56,720 --> 01:01:59,840
Speaker 9: points to not use K K one mill is ll

1118
01:02:00,560 --> 01:02:04,360
Speaker 9: When I got to the studio, He's like, why are

1119
01:02:04,360 --> 01:02:08,400
Speaker 9: you here? And I was like, because I'm doing the record.

1120
01:02:08,520 --> 01:02:10,240
Speaker 9: And like I'm on the record with him and the

1121
01:02:10,280 --> 01:02:12,800
Speaker 9: whole thing. He's like, wait, that's you. He's like why

1122
01:02:12,800 --> 01:02:14,840
Speaker 9: are you What the fuck is a K one mill?

1123
01:02:14,920 --> 01:02:16,680
Speaker 9: Like what the hell is that? And then you know,

1124
01:02:16,800 --> 01:02:19,160
Speaker 9: it was like you know what, yeah, and I'm like,

1125
01:02:20,160 --> 01:02:26,120
Speaker 9: you know, why am I allowing? Why am I allowing others?

1126
01:02:26,400 --> 01:02:29,160
Speaker 9: And it was done. It wasn't done in malice, you know,

1127
01:02:29,600 --> 01:02:34,439
Speaker 9: shouts to my man Ron Lawrence because he Ron Lawrence. Yes,

1128
01:02:34,480 --> 01:02:37,960
Speaker 9: I'm ra, i'men rah. He he's from my neighborhood as well.

1129
01:02:38,000 --> 01:02:41,960
Speaker 9: And he pretty much put me back in, you know

1130
01:02:42,000 --> 01:02:45,120
Speaker 9: what I'm saying. He through his through his connections and

1131
01:02:45,160 --> 01:02:49,000
Speaker 9: his production, he put me back in. But he was like, yo, man,

1132
01:02:49,000 --> 01:02:53,320
Speaker 9: don't use kwame because people they associated with something old

1133
01:02:54,080 --> 01:02:58,000
Speaker 9: and go buy K one mill. And K one mill

1134
01:02:58,080 --> 01:03:00,440
Speaker 9: was a joke. Actually it was me playing around on

1135
01:03:00,480 --> 01:03:02,040
Speaker 9: the microphone. I was acting like a robot. I am

1136
01:03:02,120 --> 01:03:03,640
Speaker 9: K one male and I'm here too.

1137
01:03:04,080 --> 01:03:04,560
Speaker 5: It was that.

1138
01:03:04,560 --> 01:03:06,480
Speaker 8: That's literally what I was doing was bugging out.

1139
01:03:06,840 --> 01:03:11,280
Speaker 9: And so so that turned into when Ellll was saying

1140
01:03:11,280 --> 01:03:15,280
Speaker 9: that and didn't realize that I was there. I was like, look, man,

1141
01:03:16,880 --> 01:03:20,280
Speaker 9: I can't, I can't. I am who I am, and

1142
01:03:20,760 --> 01:03:26,480
Speaker 9: I'm not gonna allow things to cut that short. So

1143
01:03:27,120 --> 01:03:30,160
Speaker 9: either you're going to accept this music if you don't

1144
01:03:30,160 --> 01:03:34,160
Speaker 9: accept the brand, I can't. I just I guess this

1145
01:03:34,240 --> 01:03:36,520
Speaker 9: is not for me. But the music should be able

1146
01:03:36,560 --> 01:03:39,480
Speaker 9: to speak for itself. And and I never wanted to

1147
01:03:39,520 --> 01:03:43,920
Speaker 9: be the producer that just did one type of genre

1148
01:03:44,040 --> 01:03:46,360
Speaker 9: or one type of artist, So I would you know,

1149
01:03:46,400 --> 01:03:49,760
Speaker 9: I'm doing say Switch from Will Smith and you know that.

1150
01:03:49,680 --> 01:03:51,760
Speaker 5: Record criminally underrated.

1151
01:03:52,000 --> 01:03:54,880
Speaker 8: Yeah, but it was a number one round fifteen countries,

1152
01:03:54,920 --> 01:03:59,200
Speaker 8: you know, what you know? And and and and.

1153
01:03:59,200 --> 01:04:02,320
Speaker 9: People everybody told me, don't do that, it'll destroy your life,

1154
01:04:02,800 --> 01:04:03,680
Speaker 9: like it changed my.

1155
01:04:03,760 --> 01:04:04,600
Speaker 8: What you know?

1156
01:04:04,680 --> 01:04:06,840
Speaker 9: But so you have Switched on one side, with Lloyd

1157
01:04:06,920 --> 01:04:09,520
Speaker 9: Banks on the other side, and then you have tweet

1158
01:04:09,600 --> 01:04:12,040
Speaker 9: over here. And then then I do a Christina Aguilero

1159
01:04:12,120 --> 01:04:14,600
Speaker 9: record and a Pussycat Dolls record, in a Mary J.

1160
01:04:14,720 --> 01:04:18,720
Speaker 8: Blige record. Then you know there'll be things for movies.

1161
01:04:18,400 --> 01:04:20,600
Speaker 9: Like Step Up and you know, just little things falling

1162
01:04:20,640 --> 01:04:23,920
Speaker 9: in to its places.

1163
01:04:24,440 --> 01:04:27,640
Speaker 6: And yeah, I remember we had music in that HBO

1164
01:04:27,680 --> 01:04:28,800
Speaker 6: movie Dancing in September.

1165
01:04:28,840 --> 01:04:30,560
Speaker 9: That was the first thing that was the first thing

1166
01:04:30,560 --> 01:04:32,880
Speaker 9: that you know that was like actually like kind of

1167
01:04:32,880 --> 01:04:36,520
Speaker 9: like my coming trying to really really come back.

1168
01:04:36,600 --> 01:04:36,680
Speaker 6: You know.

1169
01:04:36,720 --> 01:04:38,120
Speaker 8: It was dominated for Emmy for.

1170
01:04:38,320 --> 01:04:39,840
Speaker 5: You know, so it was a one.

1171
01:04:39,920 --> 01:04:41,720
Speaker 3: It was like Bamboozoo.

1172
01:04:41,880 --> 01:04:43,360
Speaker 8: Nicole Ari Parker was in.

1173
01:04:43,360 --> 01:04:47,000
Speaker 6: It, and your boy that was on grades but got

1174
01:04:47,080 --> 01:04:49,840
Speaker 6: fired Isaiah Isaiah Isaiah Wathington.

1175
01:04:51,720 --> 01:04:52,680
Speaker 7: That takes place in Baltimore.

1176
01:04:52,760 --> 01:04:53,600
Speaker 3: No, she just from Baltimore.

1177
01:04:53,640 --> 01:04:57,560
Speaker 6: Okay, nah, there was like a TV and we forgot something.

1178
01:04:57,600 --> 01:05:01,840
Speaker 3: We skipped over something major. Okay, what poison?

1179
01:05:03,240 --> 01:05:06,120
Speaker 5: Excuse me? Wait what excuse me? What are you saying?

1180
01:05:06,360 --> 01:05:07,080
Speaker 5: What are you saying?

1181
01:05:07,160 --> 01:05:07,960
Speaker 3: You wrote that right?

1182
01:05:08,040 --> 01:05:08,440
Speaker 8: I wrote?

1183
01:05:08,560 --> 01:05:14,000
Speaker 9: I wrote, I wrote, I wrote, technically wrote the rhymes

1184
01:05:14,000 --> 01:05:16,919
Speaker 9: and then it just turned into Ronnie de Voe's rhyme.

1185
01:05:16,960 --> 01:05:19,880
Speaker 8: But it was wait what Yeah? It was. The funny

1186
01:05:19,920 --> 01:05:23,040
Speaker 8: thing was I never told anybody.

1187
01:05:25,360 --> 01:05:29,280
Speaker 5: I don't know because I know.

1188
01:05:29,320 --> 01:05:35,360
Speaker 8: Ship so so me, this is the weird story. I

1189
01:05:35,400 --> 01:05:35,920
Speaker 8: was in l A.

1190
01:05:36,600 --> 01:05:39,600
Speaker 9: I was staying in like that that that summer I

1191
01:05:39,600 --> 01:05:41,920
Speaker 9: lived in l A. One house party was being filmed

1192
01:05:41,960 --> 01:05:45,040
Speaker 9: and I ended up not doing anything but messing around

1193
01:05:45,080 --> 01:05:50,200
Speaker 9: with chicks. So this is one girl I was dealing with, and.

1194
01:05:49,200 --> 01:05:50,800
Speaker 8: It was just it was so weird. Man.

1195
01:05:50,840 --> 01:05:54,200
Speaker 9: I was like staying at this girl's house and she

1196
01:05:55,080 --> 01:05:57,360
Speaker 9: had a job, so I would like she would just

1197
01:05:57,440 --> 01:06:00,160
Speaker 9: leave me in her house with her little brother. And

1198
01:06:00,200 --> 01:06:04,840
Speaker 9: then her brother was like, hey, man, you're like new addition. Yeah,

1199
01:06:04,880 --> 01:06:08,960
Speaker 9: I guess, so you want to meet him? Sure, So

1200
01:06:09,000 --> 01:06:11,160
Speaker 9: he takes me to Ralph's house. Should we go to

1201
01:06:11,240 --> 01:06:12,320
Speaker 9: ralph house anywhere?

1202
01:06:13,880 --> 01:06:14,080
Speaker 8: Wait?

1203
01:06:14,280 --> 01:06:22,800
Speaker 9: What's like seven sixteen? So we go to Ralph's house.

1204
01:06:22,920 --> 01:06:25,160
Speaker 9: We're all in the valley somewhere. I have no idea

1205
01:06:25,200 --> 01:06:27,560
Speaker 9: where I'm at. I cannot because I was staying at

1206
01:06:27,840 --> 01:06:32,720
Speaker 9: the apartment complex called Oakwood, so Oakwood was in proper

1207
01:06:32,920 --> 01:06:35,040
Speaker 9: La and I was somewhere out in the valley. I

1208
01:06:35,120 --> 01:06:37,440
Speaker 9: have no idea because I had to wait for her

1209
01:06:37,480 --> 01:06:40,960
Speaker 9: to come home and take me back. So so, so

1210
01:06:41,080 --> 01:06:44,240
Speaker 9: the brother takes me to Ralph's house. So I spend

1211
01:06:44,720 --> 01:06:46,720
Speaker 9: like half the morning me and Ralph just chopping up,

1212
01:06:46,720 --> 01:06:49,080
Speaker 9: getting super cool, talking and everything. And he said, hey,

1213
01:06:49,080 --> 01:06:50,400
Speaker 9: you want to meet the rest of the guys. So

1214
01:06:50,520 --> 01:06:52,680
Speaker 9: then we go to this other house in the hills

1215
01:06:54,080 --> 01:06:56,680
Speaker 9: and Ronnie, Ricky and.

1216
01:07:00,160 --> 01:07:00,200
Speaker 6: No.

1217
01:07:00,480 --> 01:07:08,240
Speaker 9: Ronnie and Ricky were living together. Mike was there. So

1218
01:07:08,320 --> 01:07:13,280
Speaker 9: everybody's playing sega all day. No, So then Mike was like, hey, man,

1219
01:07:13,360 --> 01:07:15,680
Speaker 9: you want to hang out tonight. I'm like sure, sure,

1220
01:07:16,160 --> 01:07:18,440
Speaker 9: i'nna let you hear some stuff because we we're all

1221
01:07:18,480 --> 01:07:22,800
Speaker 9: gonna be a group. Who's the group us three? We're

1222
01:07:22,800 --> 01:07:24,600
Speaker 9: gonna be a group, yo.

1223
01:07:24,800 --> 01:07:24,960
Speaker 4: Man.

1224
01:07:24,960 --> 01:07:33,280
Speaker 8: I was like get. I was like, man, what's the

1225
01:07:33,360 --> 01:07:38,840
Speaker 8: name of BB the Yeo? Exactly?

1226
01:07:39,000 --> 01:07:48,440
Speaker 9: So, So that night, me Mike, Dana Dane, and a homeboy,

1227
01:07:48,680 --> 01:07:52,640
Speaker 9: Dug well In. He had a Jeep Cherokee, a brand

1228
01:07:52,680 --> 01:07:54,520
Speaker 9: new Jeep Cherokee were it was the dopest car in

1229
01:07:54,560 --> 01:07:57,760
Speaker 9: the world. And we're driving to this club called the Palladium.

1230
01:07:59,040 --> 01:08:05,040
Speaker 9: And he puts on the demo the Beat of Poison,

1231
01:08:07,160 --> 01:08:12,440
Speaker 9: and I was like, just jacked, only you. That's almost like.

1232
01:08:14,000 --> 01:08:15,560
Speaker 8: Beat and.

1233
01:08:17,240 --> 01:08:21,040
Speaker 9: And so I'm like, all right, yeah, me, you should

1234
01:08:21,040 --> 01:08:23,640
Speaker 9: write some rhymes for us. And I heard like it

1235
01:08:23,760 --> 01:08:28,559
Speaker 9: was like a loose singing, and I'm like, all right,

1236
01:08:28,840 --> 01:08:32,760
Speaker 9: this is the worst thing. And that was kind of

1237
01:08:32,840 --> 01:08:34,880
Speaker 9: offended because the beat reminded me only you. So I

1238
01:08:35,000 --> 01:08:39,599
Speaker 9: was just like, I was like, give me a napkin,

1239
01:08:40,760 --> 01:08:43,720
Speaker 9: so in a napkin like poisoned, deadly moving in slow,

1240
01:08:43,880 --> 01:08:44,960
Speaker 9: looking for a mellow f like.

1241
01:08:47,080 --> 01:08:48,040
Speaker 8: Give the hard money.

1242
01:08:49,920 --> 01:08:50,840
Speaker 5: Half here.

1243
01:08:53,320 --> 01:08:58,800
Speaker 8: Like I was like, here, this will never come out,

1244
01:09:03,200 --> 01:09:04,880
Speaker 8: and I was like, play the beat. This is how

1245
01:09:04,920 --> 01:09:06,439
Speaker 8: you say it, you know. I said it to the beat,

1246
01:09:06,439 --> 01:09:08,360
Speaker 8: and it was like, hey, man, I think you got it.

1247
01:09:08,400 --> 01:09:11,799
Speaker 8: I think I got it. And the next year.

1248
01:09:13,760 --> 01:09:15,360
Speaker 5: And you didn't ask any publishing and then like that,

1249
01:09:15,479 --> 01:09:16,120
Speaker 5: please tell you did.

1250
01:09:17,320 --> 01:09:21,360
Speaker 8: Come on. It worked out after the but on the

1251
01:09:21,520 --> 01:09:23,120
Speaker 8: album it just says thanks.

1252
01:09:25,520 --> 01:09:28,000
Speaker 7: But technically I have a technically can you can? You?

1253
01:09:28,439 --> 01:09:30,880
Speaker 7: You could live off of this this song alone.

1254
01:09:31,000 --> 01:09:34,320
Speaker 4: And I already learned in previous episodes that when there's

1255
01:09:34,520 --> 01:09:36,080
Speaker 4: more than one, unless.

1256
01:09:35,800 --> 01:09:37,200
Speaker 3: You want to publish it.

1257
01:09:39,720 --> 01:09:45,519
Speaker 7: Okay, so already okay, money her money?

1258
01:09:45,560 --> 01:09:45,920
Speaker 5: Did you say?

1259
01:09:45,960 --> 01:09:49,799
Speaker 7: Sneak was? She was the worst example.

1260
01:09:49,880 --> 01:09:51,360
Speaker 5: She really did. She waited and waited.

1261
01:09:52,240 --> 01:09:53,040
Speaker 7: Do you know Ali Willis?

1262
01:09:54,080 --> 01:09:59,160
Speaker 5: She wrote September. She was the black whisper, the black

1263
01:09:59,240 --> 01:09:59,960
Speaker 5: barbecue whisper.

1264
01:10:00,040 --> 01:10:00,720
Speaker 7: Automatic.

1265
01:10:01,560 --> 01:10:06,759
Speaker 9: Yeah, I love Automatic, friends the friends, No, seriously, color purple.

1266
01:10:06,960 --> 01:10:13,439
Speaker 8: The lyrics to Automatic are incredible, Like I love that song.

1267
01:10:14,000 --> 01:10:17,960
Speaker 3: Pointed sisters Automatic. Yes, just making sure you get a

1268
01:10:18,040 --> 01:10:19,120
Speaker 3: print Automatic.

1269
01:10:20,920 --> 01:10:28,719
Speaker 6: Lyrics tron dance, Yeah, trying to dance to something about Automatic.

1270
01:10:28,720 --> 01:10:29,200
Speaker 5: I love that.

1271
01:10:29,840 --> 01:10:36,439
Speaker 8: Let me but yeah, so that's how that's how poisoning

1272
01:10:36,520 --> 01:10:38,320
Speaker 8: I was. I was in the video. I was at

1273
01:10:38,360 --> 01:10:39,599
Speaker 8: the video. I didn't get in the video.

1274
01:10:41,000 --> 01:10:42,920
Speaker 9: Matter of fact, the girl I was messing with was

1275
01:10:43,080 --> 01:10:51,360
Speaker 9: the poison girls. I was like making sure you know, y'all,

1276
01:10:51,520 --> 01:10:53,000
Speaker 9: just you know you can sing about her.

1277
01:10:53,040 --> 01:11:02,599
Speaker 5: But but wow, me, are there any other ghost weird

1278
01:11:02,720 --> 01:11:03,799
Speaker 5: stories that I don't.

1279
01:11:03,680 --> 01:11:04,000
Speaker 3: Know that.

1280
01:11:06,760 --> 01:11:09,080
Speaker 8: On that level? No, I don't. I don't think so,

1281
01:11:09,640 --> 01:11:10,000
Speaker 8: I don't know.

1282
01:11:10,520 --> 01:11:13,439
Speaker 7: Do you ask the random so Vin Diesel was the cousin,

1283
01:11:13,520 --> 01:11:15,679
Speaker 7: but he didn't help you get out your cousin.

1284
01:11:16,240 --> 01:11:19,519
Speaker 8: Yeah he's my cousin, but he's not.

1285
01:11:21,160 --> 01:11:22,680
Speaker 7: But he was a bouncer the club. I thought it

1286
01:11:22,760 --> 01:11:23,960
Speaker 7: one time in his life.

1287
01:11:24,040 --> 01:11:28,000
Speaker 8: So no, I would not. I want to call him

1288
01:11:28,080 --> 01:11:28,920
Speaker 8: up to fight.

1289
01:11:29,080 --> 01:11:31,080
Speaker 7: Nobody different than Diesel.

1290
01:11:31,720 --> 01:11:33,360
Speaker 9: But but he's in he's in the he's in my

1291
01:11:33,479 --> 01:11:37,080
Speaker 9: nasty video, the nasty video, but he's dancing. No, he's

1292
01:11:37,120 --> 01:11:39,640
Speaker 9: the boyfriend that trying to beat me up in the

1293
01:11:39,720 --> 01:11:40,320
Speaker 9: nasty video.

1294
01:11:40,600 --> 01:11:42,640
Speaker 7: Hold on, because I mean he has hair. You know,

1295
01:11:42,720 --> 01:11:44,080
Speaker 7: he got to hide that from a soul.

1296
01:11:46,040 --> 01:11:48,320
Speaker 9: And the funny thing is me I was gonna. I

1297
01:11:48,439 --> 01:11:50,599
Speaker 9: was gonna put him he before he wanted to. Well,

1298
01:11:50,600 --> 01:11:52,400
Speaker 9: he was always acting and stuff. He was just a

1299
01:11:52,439 --> 01:11:55,680
Speaker 9: creative guy into the arts. And he's he's my he's

1300
01:11:55,720 --> 01:11:57,479
Speaker 9: my older cousins and he's not like we're not the

1301
01:11:57,479 --> 01:11:59,360
Speaker 9: same age, so they would have to watch me in

1302
01:11:59,640 --> 01:12:03,120
Speaker 9: types up. He has a twin brother, him and his

1303
01:12:03,200 --> 01:12:04,760
Speaker 9: twin brother I used to always hang out and.

1304
01:12:08,120 --> 01:12:08,880
Speaker 8: Fraternal twin.

1305
01:12:10,520 --> 01:12:10,760
Speaker 5: Paul.

1306
01:12:11,280 --> 01:12:14,880
Speaker 9: His brother Paul, he's a he's a dope video I

1307
01:12:14,920 --> 01:12:18,880
Speaker 9: mean film editor, like trailers and actual films like Paul.

1308
01:12:19,520 --> 01:12:24,639
Speaker 9: You look them at Paul Vincent and their younger sister, Samantha.

1309
01:12:24,880 --> 01:12:27,040
Speaker 9: That's she's my so we used to more.

1310
01:12:27,640 --> 01:12:29,080
Speaker 7: I need to see his hair text here. Hold on,

1311
01:12:29,120 --> 01:12:30,240
Speaker 7: I got to get one of these siblings.

1312
01:12:30,280 --> 01:12:30,479
Speaker 6: Hold on.

1313
01:12:35,520 --> 01:12:38,439
Speaker 11: There's a running theme on Quest of Supreme about Amere

1314
01:12:38,520 --> 01:12:41,240
Speaker 11: getting in trouble for records that our guests have done.

1315
01:12:42,000 --> 01:12:43,960
Speaker 11: But on this episode, we're gonna do a little different.

1316
01:12:44,360 --> 01:12:47,760
Speaker 11: This time it's me that got in trouble for a Kwame.

1317
01:12:48,000 --> 01:12:50,120
Speaker 11: Well what I did with the Kuame record?

1318
01:12:50,400 --> 01:12:51,240
Speaker 8: Okay, what happened?

1319
01:12:51,400 --> 01:12:52,799
Speaker 3: My parents got an answering machine.

1320
01:12:53,240 --> 01:12:56,200
Speaker 11: Shortly after the second album came out, and if you

1321
01:12:56,280 --> 01:12:58,719
Speaker 11: know how you remember the first album, the second album

1322
01:12:58,760 --> 01:13:02,760
Speaker 11: starts starts with Kwame leaving an outgoing.

1323
01:13:02,439 --> 01:13:04,320
Speaker 3: Message welcome to the bone. Yes.

1324
01:13:05,840 --> 01:13:09,720
Speaker 11: One day when my parents were out, I replaced our

1325
01:13:09,760 --> 01:13:11,599
Speaker 11: outgoing voicemail message with kwame.

1326
01:13:12,960 --> 01:13:18,040
Speaker 3: My parents were not pleased. That was stupid?

1327
01:13:18,080 --> 01:13:18,680
Speaker 8: Should do it?

1328
01:13:22,120 --> 01:13:26,479
Speaker 11: I mean it was the first answer machine my dad had,

1329
01:13:26,640 --> 01:13:29,320
Speaker 11: you know, some generic, boring outgoing messages like no, we

1330
01:13:29,400 --> 01:13:31,200
Speaker 11: can't be lame, like wow, we got.

1331
01:13:31,240 --> 01:13:34,080
Speaker 5: To put something cool on there, and you that was

1332
01:13:34,120 --> 01:13:35,080
Speaker 5: your outgoing message?

1333
01:13:35,160 --> 01:13:39,120
Speaker 3: Was our outgoing message? Yeah?

1334
01:13:39,439 --> 01:13:41,680
Speaker 8: So what somebody call and told your mom like, yo,

1335
01:13:41,760 --> 01:13:42,280
Speaker 8: what is going on?

1336
01:13:42,520 --> 01:13:45,200
Speaker 11: They were like what is It's on your outgoing like

1337
01:13:45,320 --> 01:13:48,000
Speaker 11: y'all need to change that, and so you know they

1338
01:13:48,400 --> 01:13:51,720
Speaker 11: did you get But I got on punishment for a while.

1339
01:13:52,960 --> 01:13:56,679
Speaker 7: I got on public punishment that that ain't weapons.

1340
01:13:57,600 --> 01:13:58,200
Speaker 8: You know, it's funny.

1341
01:13:58,240 --> 01:14:01,800
Speaker 9: I don't I can't go back and listen to the

1342
01:14:01,920 --> 01:14:05,800
Speaker 9: old records, not that I don't like them, I just

1343
01:14:06,400 --> 01:14:08,680
Speaker 9: just don't listen to them. I don't watch videos, I

1344
01:14:08,720 --> 01:14:11,600
Speaker 9: don't watch old records. And the only time that the

1345
01:14:11,720 --> 01:14:14,240
Speaker 9: old record will come on of mind that I listened

1346
01:14:14,240 --> 01:14:17,840
Speaker 9: to is because it's it's it's on shuffle.

1347
01:14:18,960 --> 01:14:19,479
Speaker 8: On shuffle.

1348
01:14:19,680 --> 01:14:21,439
Speaker 3: I thought you're gonna it's on fresh Princes.

1349
01:14:22,840 --> 01:14:25,360
Speaker 8: But you know what, I didn't see that episode till

1350
01:14:25,400 --> 01:14:26,160
Speaker 8: like ten years after.

1351
01:14:26,600 --> 01:14:30,040
Speaker 3: Wow, I think Jeffrey's dancing to it.

1352
01:14:30,120 --> 01:14:33,559
Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah, its called loving the episodes Loving the Elevator

1353
01:14:33,600 --> 01:14:36,439
Speaker 9: and then they use it again on another episode. But

1354
01:14:36,880 --> 01:14:44,000
Speaker 9: but now those checks were two pairs, yes, and I

1355
01:14:44,080 --> 01:14:48,920
Speaker 9: bought some milk and those there was some lean years

1356
01:14:49,000 --> 01:14:52,519
Speaker 9: and those those uh fresh Prince and I let Will know.

1357
01:14:52,560 --> 01:14:55,040
Speaker 9: It's like, let me tell you something, man Will has

1358
01:14:55,120 --> 01:15:02,879
Speaker 9: definitely Will shows up in my life at very pivotal points.

1359
01:15:03,640 --> 01:15:06,280
Speaker 9: So so the first time I met Will.

1360
01:15:06,200 --> 01:15:07,559
Speaker 3: He's like the real life back of Vents.

1361
01:15:09,000 --> 01:15:14,240
Speaker 8: First, the first time I met that was good was

1362
01:15:14,280 --> 01:15:20,479
Speaker 8: in eighty nine and where La and I met him.

1363
01:15:21,040 --> 01:15:22,639
Speaker 8: He hosted a show.

1364
01:15:22,720 --> 01:15:23,160
Speaker 3: It was me.

1365
01:15:26,520 --> 01:15:32,400
Speaker 9: Uh mc hammer, I want to say too short and

1366
01:15:32,520 --> 01:15:36,920
Speaker 9: Tony Tony Tone and he hosted this show. And it

1367
01:15:37,040 --> 01:15:40,320
Speaker 9: was actually that day I met ice Cube. He introduced, man,

1368
01:15:40,360 --> 01:15:41,120
Speaker 9: my name is ice Cube.

1369
01:15:41,760 --> 01:15:43,679
Speaker 4: I was about to say everyone that SI could wear

1370
01:15:43,800 --> 01:15:46,560
Speaker 4: those love shirts, but then I came in with the

1371
01:15:46,600 --> 01:15:48,880
Speaker 4: black T shirt, so ruined that fantasy.

1372
01:15:49,640 --> 01:15:53,519
Speaker 9: So I was Will saw me in the crowd. We

1373
01:15:53,600 --> 01:15:55,160
Speaker 9: used to go out into the crowd and try to

1374
01:15:55,160 --> 01:15:58,000
Speaker 9: get girls, and he just saw me in the crowd

1375
01:15:59,680 --> 01:16:01,599
Speaker 9: not being as professional as I could.

1376
01:16:01,439 --> 01:16:02,800
Speaker 8: Be, so I didn't know.

1377
01:16:03,120 --> 01:16:03,560
Speaker 3: I didn't know.

1378
01:16:04,720 --> 01:16:06,760
Speaker 8: He's like, yo, let me pull He pulled me to side.

1379
01:16:06,840 --> 01:16:08,000
Speaker 8: Let me talk to you for a second. So you

1380
01:16:08,040 --> 01:16:09,519
Speaker 8: got to understand what you're doing.

1381
01:16:10,320 --> 01:16:13,160
Speaker 9: You know, you gotta you don't act like you're better

1382
01:16:13,280 --> 01:16:16,000
Speaker 9: than anybody else, but you have to understand that you

1383
01:16:16,160 --> 01:16:19,760
Speaker 9: have to put yourself on a level and and and

1384
01:16:20,560 --> 01:16:23,960
Speaker 9: even if you're not on that level yet, prepare yourself

1385
01:16:24,040 --> 01:16:27,560
Speaker 9: for a next level. And and and prepare yourself to

1386
01:16:27,720 --> 01:16:29,920
Speaker 9: be on the next level. And you know, like, I'm like,

1387
01:16:30,160 --> 01:16:33,120
Speaker 9: that's preaching to me, and but he you know, he

1388
01:16:33,439 --> 01:16:36,519
Speaker 9: kept talking and you know, and it it kind of

1389
01:16:37,280 --> 01:16:40,120
Speaker 9: changed my attitude at the time. And then he had

1390
01:16:40,200 --> 01:16:43,439
Speaker 9: like this house party and he had a house in Gladwin.

1391
01:16:44,280 --> 01:16:46,000
Speaker 9: I think he said that, but he has this house

1392
01:16:46,040 --> 01:16:50,840
Speaker 9: in Gladwin, Pennsylvania. And we went to the party and

1393
01:16:50,880 --> 01:16:54,080
Speaker 9: it's like, man, you know, I want to show you something,

1394
01:16:55,120 --> 01:16:56,840
Speaker 9: and I'm all right. So he takes me to like

1395
01:16:56,920 --> 01:16:59,640
Speaker 9: the living room or whatever and whatever. The Grammys he

1396
01:16:59,680 --> 01:17:02,280
Speaker 9: had wont at this point, I think it was like

1397
01:17:02,360 --> 01:17:04,760
Speaker 9: three at the time. He's like, you know, I want

1398
01:17:04,800 --> 01:17:09,320
Speaker 9: you to understand why I'm showing you this, he said,

1399
01:17:09,400 --> 01:17:11,320
Speaker 9: because you know, I don't know if you'll ever win one,

1400
01:17:11,360 --> 01:17:13,679
Speaker 9: if you ever won't. But a lot of times people

1401
01:17:14,560 --> 01:17:18,320
Speaker 9: don't set to achieve something because they can't visualize it,

1402
01:17:18,360 --> 01:17:21,240
Speaker 9: they don't see it, they don't understand it. So I

1403
01:17:21,360 --> 01:17:23,400
Speaker 9: think that you can at some point be able to

1404
01:17:23,520 --> 01:17:26,840
Speaker 9: achieve this. So I just wanted you to see what's

1405
01:17:27,040 --> 01:17:29,720
Speaker 9: what this is and and and understand. He was like,

1406
01:17:29,760 --> 01:17:31,320
Speaker 9: you know, he showed me the crib and it was like,

1407
01:17:31,560 --> 01:17:33,320
Speaker 9: you know, like a lot of rappers, they just try

1408
01:17:33,360 --> 01:17:37,680
Speaker 9: to buy chains and cars and clothes whatever. But you know,

1409
01:17:37,920 --> 01:17:40,360
Speaker 9: you know, should really point at real estate. You should

1410
01:17:40,400 --> 01:17:43,040
Speaker 9: really point looking at you know, understanding what the mortgage is.

1411
01:17:43,240 --> 01:17:45,560
Speaker 9: He was just doing all this real talking, you know,

1412
01:17:45,720 --> 01:17:47,519
Speaker 9: like preachy fatherly stuff.

1413
01:17:49,200 --> 01:17:52,200
Speaker 7: And and we should to each other as well, we

1414
01:17:52,200 --> 01:17:53,760
Speaker 7: should pass down and he was.

1415
01:17:53,800 --> 01:17:57,439
Speaker 8: Saying that and and so that was another point.

1416
01:17:58,400 --> 01:17:58,920
Speaker 5: And then.

1417
01:18:00,360 --> 01:18:03,680
Speaker 9: When I needed money the most, the fresh Prince of

1418
01:18:03,760 --> 01:18:09,240
Speaker 9: bel Air show did only you and that helped, you know,

1419
01:18:09,760 --> 01:18:13,240
Speaker 9: And then to bring me to another level as a producer,

1420
01:18:14,320 --> 01:18:19,320
Speaker 9: he shows up again and he picks switch and you know,

1421
01:18:19,400 --> 01:18:25,840
Speaker 9: and even recording switch just having real in depth life conversations,

1422
01:18:28,320 --> 01:18:31,160
Speaker 9: you know. And also he had a video so fresh

1423
01:18:31,320 --> 01:18:33,400
Speaker 9: and it was him and Bismarcky and I was like,

1424
01:18:33,560 --> 01:18:36,000
Speaker 9: at a you know, there was like I said, there

1425
01:18:36,040 --> 01:18:38,479
Speaker 9: was a period of time. It was nothing popping, you know,

1426
01:18:38,600 --> 01:18:40,160
Speaker 9: I just I did not have any paper.

1427
01:18:40,479 --> 01:18:40,600
Speaker 3: You know.

1428
01:18:40,680 --> 01:18:42,320
Speaker 8: He reached out and said, yo, man, get in the video.

1429
01:18:42,360 --> 01:18:43,240
Speaker 8: You know, blah blah blah.

1430
01:18:44,920 --> 01:18:46,560
Speaker 9: Allowed me to be in a video. You know, he

1431
01:18:46,640 --> 01:18:48,920
Speaker 9: gave me some you know, some cool exposure. So there

1432
01:18:49,000 --> 01:18:52,360
Speaker 9: was always little points of points of light that that

1433
01:18:52,560 --> 01:18:57,240
Speaker 9: will will put down. So you know, I definitely appreciate.

1434
01:18:56,840 --> 01:18:59,040
Speaker 3: Him for that. You should probably hang out with him

1435
01:18:59,080 --> 01:19:04,400
Speaker 3: more often, you know, calm up on the regular. Yeah.

1436
01:19:05,080 --> 01:19:09,519
Speaker 4: Actually, okay, before I wind up, it's probably my last

1437
01:19:09,640 --> 01:19:11,679
Speaker 4: chance to have this movement to ask this question.

1438
01:19:12,360 --> 01:19:17,759
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, dog, do you have any Latin Quarter stories?

1439
01:19:19,400 --> 01:19:23,040
Speaker 3: I was waiting for this. I don't, finally bust it.

1440
01:19:23,280 --> 01:19:25,280
Speaker 9: I don't because I was too young to get in there,

1441
01:19:28,880 --> 01:19:33,160
Speaker 9: so I thought, so Latin. So there was three clubs

1442
01:19:33,200 --> 01:19:36,040
Speaker 9: that that meant something, the Latin Quarter, the Union Square,

1443
01:19:36,640 --> 01:19:41,040
Speaker 9: and Red Parrot. Red Parrot that was like the Melly

1444
01:19:41,080 --> 01:19:43,760
Speaker 9: Mail crowd. But you know, you hear about the red Parrot.

1445
01:19:43,800 --> 01:19:45,840
Speaker 9: You gotta go, so I was able to. Sometimes I

1446
01:19:45,840 --> 01:19:48,040
Speaker 9: would tag along with Salt and Pepper and Herbie and

1447
01:19:48,160 --> 01:19:54,120
Speaker 9: Dana and sneaking places. But the Latin Quarter and Union

1448
01:19:54,200 --> 01:19:54,800
Speaker 9: Square that.

1449
01:19:56,360 --> 01:19:56,680
Speaker 8: I don't know.

1450
01:19:56,760 --> 01:20:00,760
Speaker 9: I'm pretty sure you've heard a million stories by when

1451
01:20:00,800 --> 01:20:04,080
Speaker 9: I tell you, it's like beyond the Thunderdome.

1452
01:20:04,360 --> 01:20:08,080
Speaker 5: And I've been.

1453
01:20:08,360 --> 01:20:10,400
Speaker 8: I've been outside the Latin Quarter.

1454
01:20:12,120 --> 01:20:15,320
Speaker 9: I've been at the door and the door swings open

1455
01:20:15,360 --> 01:20:20,960
Speaker 9: and everybody runs out, but wait outside.

1456
01:20:20,960 --> 01:20:24,040
Speaker 5: It's probably the most dance part of the more stories

1457
01:20:24,080 --> 01:20:26,160
Speaker 5: about outside the Latin Quarter than probably inside.

1458
01:20:26,360 --> 01:20:32,479
Speaker 8: The outside was grimy, inside was grimy the eighties.

1459
01:20:32,520 --> 01:20:35,799
Speaker 9: Man, like y'all don't understand New York City in the eighties.

1460
01:20:35,880 --> 01:20:40,400
Speaker 9: It's the Latin Quarter. That's the least of your worries,

1461
01:20:40,439 --> 01:20:41,960
Speaker 9: like going to a club like that, or going to

1462
01:20:42,040 --> 01:20:44,679
Speaker 9: the Union Square or even the tunnel, you know, early tunnel.

1463
01:20:45,439 --> 01:20:47,479
Speaker 8: It's the train ride home, you.

1464
01:20:47,560 --> 01:20:51,240
Speaker 5: Know, it's it's that's the that's the that's the Russian Roulette.

1465
01:20:51,360 --> 01:20:53,960
Speaker 9: Yeah, it's the train ride home. It's trying to get in,

1466
01:20:54,080 --> 01:20:57,320
Speaker 9: it's trying to get out. It's it's kill man, And

1467
01:20:57,479 --> 01:21:02,960
Speaker 9: and I don't understand everybody played that Russian roulette. They

1468
01:21:03,280 --> 01:21:06,479
Speaker 9: get that chain, they get there whatever, Yo, you would

1469
01:21:06,479 --> 01:21:09,680
Speaker 9: get sliced for polo like if you had on a

1470
01:21:09,720 --> 01:21:12,280
Speaker 9: polo visor you would get lumped.

1471
01:21:12,400 --> 01:21:14,920
Speaker 5: And you were fresh all the time, so like it

1472
01:21:15,120 --> 01:21:16,640
Speaker 5: wasn't risky for you to be.

1473
01:21:17,200 --> 01:21:21,479
Speaker 9: Well, my fresh was thrift store fresh, so it wasn't

1474
01:21:21,600 --> 01:21:24,320
Speaker 9: like we don't want that. But then at the same time,

1475
01:21:24,439 --> 01:21:25,160
Speaker 9: like I said.

1476
01:21:25,160 --> 01:21:26,840
Speaker 5: You weren't ballied out. You weren't.

1477
01:21:27,120 --> 01:21:29,360
Speaker 9: There would be baallets, but then there's thrift store everything

1478
01:21:29,400 --> 01:21:31,160
Speaker 9: else because all the money would be at the ballot

1479
01:21:31,280 --> 01:21:35,840
Speaker 9: on the ballet. So yeah, So so it was never sneakers,

1480
01:21:36,560 --> 01:21:38,960
Speaker 9: you know. So you know like when jordan Ons came,

1481
01:21:39,080 --> 01:21:42,040
Speaker 9: it was like the first one hundred dollars sneaker. So

1482
01:21:42,160 --> 01:21:44,160
Speaker 9: it was like I was not I wasn't doing that.

1483
01:21:46,960 --> 01:21:49,439
Speaker 9: But outside of that, it was I'm telling you man,

1484
01:21:50,200 --> 01:21:55,120
Speaker 9: like a shark I lent him. Had a goose that

1485
01:21:55,360 --> 01:21:56,760
Speaker 9: resembled a polo goose.

1486
01:21:56,800 --> 01:21:59,439
Speaker 8: It was like Polio by Ralph Cramton.

1487
01:21:59,479 --> 01:21:59,880
Speaker 5: It wasn't me.

1488
01:22:03,920 --> 01:22:04,400
Speaker 4: And and.

1489
01:22:06,600 --> 01:22:11,599
Speaker 9: He he got sliced on the fore train from shoulder

1490
01:22:12,200 --> 01:22:16,760
Speaker 9: to hip and they sliced him. They sliced through the

1491
01:22:16,880 --> 01:22:22,720
Speaker 9: jacket and the slice was so clean. He didn't know

1492
01:22:23,000 --> 01:22:25,599
Speaker 9: until he got home and he's like, they were like, yo,

1493
01:22:25,680 --> 01:22:31,640
Speaker 9: your back is wet. The coat it just they sliced it.

1494
01:22:31,760 --> 01:22:33,439
Speaker 9: And I don't know what the commotion was, but it

1495
01:22:33,520 --> 01:22:36,000
Speaker 9: was my coat, and so I didn't put this way.

1496
01:22:36,040 --> 01:22:37,960
Speaker 9: He told me he got sliced, but he never told

1497
01:22:38,000 --> 01:22:40,160
Speaker 9: me he got sliced for my coat. And I didn't

1498
01:22:40,200 --> 01:22:42,559
Speaker 9: find out for like years. I was like, when are

1499
01:22:42,560 --> 01:22:43,519
Speaker 9: you gonna get my coat back?

1500
01:22:43,880 --> 01:22:45,920
Speaker 8: Oh? Man, my mom put it somewhere. I can't find it.

1501
01:22:46,120 --> 01:22:47,920
Speaker 8: He would. He was just so ashamed to tell me

1502
01:22:48,520 --> 01:22:51,599
Speaker 8: that that's why he got sliced, and I felt terrible.

1503
01:22:51,600 --> 01:22:55,160
Speaker 8: I'm lending him my gools. My mother's like, I bought

1504
01:22:55,200 --> 01:22:56,720
Speaker 8: you this coat and you're not. You don't wear it.

1505
01:22:56,800 --> 01:22:58,479
Speaker 8: I said, I don't know what al had it.

1506
01:22:58,600 --> 01:23:01,080
Speaker 9: Stop lending your clothes, Alan, because we used to trade

1507
01:23:01,120 --> 01:23:03,960
Speaker 9: like you, you know, like you and we would trade

1508
01:23:04,000 --> 01:23:09,000
Speaker 9: clothes and stuff. So that's like how it was going

1509
01:23:09,040 --> 01:23:11,840
Speaker 9: to these clubs. So you literally, if you didn't know,

1510
01:23:12,240 --> 01:23:16,759
Speaker 9: if you didn't have a crew, it was like the warriors.

1511
01:23:16,840 --> 01:23:16,960
Speaker 2: Man.

1512
01:23:17,040 --> 01:23:18,880
Speaker 9: It's like that's the best way to describe it. Like

1513
01:23:19,080 --> 01:23:22,000
Speaker 9: you know you and your six guys got together. What

1514
01:23:22,040 --> 01:23:24,240
Speaker 9: we're gonna do tonight. We're gonna go to Latin quarters. Yeah,

1515
01:23:24,320 --> 01:23:28,920
Speaker 9: ready for this. We'll listen to some songs, we may

1516
01:23:28,960 --> 01:23:32,479
Speaker 9: meet a girl, we may dance, but you don't know

1517
01:23:32,840 --> 01:23:36,479
Speaker 9: that we are fighting our way out and it's gonna

1518
01:23:36,479 --> 01:23:39,200
Speaker 9: be we have to be one for all on this train.

1519
01:23:39,720 --> 01:23:42,080
Speaker 9: So it would and then you know, like I said,

1520
01:23:42,120 --> 01:23:45,840
Speaker 9: my age, I'm fifteen, you know, fourteen fifteen, Well when

1521
01:23:45,920 --> 01:23:49,080
Speaker 9: Latin Cols is really popping, so there's no way I'm

1522
01:23:49,200 --> 01:23:53,160
Speaker 9: gonna get in. I wasn't savvy enough for the fake

1523
01:23:53,200 --> 01:23:56,200
Speaker 9: idmember like the Fat Boys, right.

1524
01:23:58,640 --> 01:23:58,960
Speaker 3: Everyone.

1525
01:23:59,520 --> 01:24:00,280
Speaker 8: I couldn't do that.

1526
01:24:00,560 --> 01:24:03,840
Speaker 9: And Herbie was like, no, man, I can't subject you

1527
01:24:04,600 --> 01:24:07,599
Speaker 9: to this like you're you're a little kid.

1528
01:24:07,720 --> 01:24:10,719
Speaker 8: You can't do it, man. So we would just sneak around.

1529
01:24:11,240 --> 01:24:14,840
Speaker 4: But you know from okay, that's a non Latin courter

1530
01:24:14,840 --> 01:24:33,559
Speaker 4: of story enough to warrant this, anything to warrant that's so.

1531
01:24:36,680 --> 01:24:40,800
Speaker 5: It's a terfect conclusion community. That's great.

1532
01:24:43,240 --> 01:24:43,400
Speaker 10: Man.

1533
01:24:43,720 --> 01:24:47,519
Speaker 4: Wow, this is way beyond my expectations for this man.

1534
01:24:48,640 --> 01:24:50,280
Speaker 4: It was life lessons, it was a.

1535
01:24:50,360 --> 01:24:55,080
Speaker 5: Journey, It was everything that year old dream come true.

1536
01:24:56,160 --> 01:24:59,439
Speaker 6: Man, I don't know's it's Kayso you knowk he talks

1537
01:24:59,439 --> 01:25:01,240
Speaker 6: about how I you were his favorite rapper and stuff,

1538
01:25:01,280 --> 01:25:02,600
Speaker 6: like me and him we talked abut it, and like,

1539
01:25:02,680 --> 01:25:04,120
Speaker 6: I just want to just thank you man, Like you

1540
01:25:04,320 --> 01:25:06,439
Speaker 6: really you were like just the memories I have of

1541
01:25:06,479 --> 01:25:09,760
Speaker 6: my childhood of like buying your tape. You were my first.

1542
01:25:10,160 --> 01:25:12,640
Speaker 6: You were like the only music that my pops ever bought. You.

1543
01:25:12,640 --> 01:25:17,120
Speaker 8: Remember when we first met was this sean Berg Center, Harlem.

1544
01:25:16,960 --> 01:25:20,519
Speaker 5: No weed, it was this was was it that thing

1545
01:25:20,720 --> 01:25:23,559
Speaker 5: that it was like a form or something? Stop the violence?

1546
01:25:23,600 --> 01:25:27,240
Speaker 8: You know, really because there was violence in two thousand

1547
01:25:27,280 --> 01:25:27,479
Speaker 8: and six.

1548
01:25:27,680 --> 01:25:28,160
Speaker 5: No, it wasn't.

1549
01:25:28,400 --> 01:25:30,880
Speaker 6: It was like it was like shows when we get

1550
01:25:30,920 --> 01:25:33,719
Speaker 6: together to talk about like images and media.

1551
01:25:36,920 --> 01:25:38,840
Speaker 9: But like I got super cool at night from then,

1552
01:25:38,920 --> 01:25:40,920
Speaker 9: you know, I always thought that y'all was like super

1553
01:25:41,160 --> 01:25:44,360
Speaker 9: You know. My thing is it's cool to meet people

1554
01:25:44,439 --> 01:25:48,839
Speaker 9: on a musical level, but I'm more on a personal

1555
01:25:48,960 --> 01:25:51,400
Speaker 9: level on how people are as as people. You know,

1556
01:25:51,640 --> 01:25:53,120
Speaker 9: what we do is what we do, you know, and

1557
01:25:53,200 --> 01:25:56,040
Speaker 9: it's it's always a matter of opinion to whoever listens

1558
01:25:56,080 --> 01:25:58,439
Speaker 9: to it. But when you meet people on a personal level,

1559
01:25:58,520 --> 01:26:00,880
Speaker 9: I think that's dope. I just wanted to dropped out.

1560
01:26:00,880 --> 01:26:02,479
Speaker 3: Oh man, thank you brother, much appreciated.

1561
01:26:02,520 --> 01:26:02,640
Speaker 2: Man.

1562
01:26:02,680 --> 01:26:04,600
Speaker 3: The same to you, like just just thank you for

1563
01:26:04,680 --> 01:26:07,800
Speaker 3: the music you will certainly inspiration and.

1564
01:26:09,160 --> 01:26:11,640
Speaker 7: Some beautiful music together. Every song is a hit.

1565
01:26:12,560 --> 01:26:12,760
Speaker 3: Thank you.

1566
01:26:13,360 --> 01:26:14,639
Speaker 8: You know that's you know real quick.

1567
01:26:14,680 --> 01:26:16,799
Speaker 9: I know you want to wrap up, but you know, luckily,

1568
01:26:18,520 --> 01:26:20,400
Speaker 9: you know, I always wanted to control my own music

1569
01:26:20,479 --> 01:26:23,879
Speaker 9: and control the fate of my music. Being a producer,

1570
01:26:23,960 --> 01:26:26,720
Speaker 9: you just get a check and you don't know which

1571
01:26:26,880 --> 01:26:28,920
Speaker 9: if you're number one on the album or number seven

1572
01:26:29,000 --> 01:26:30,240
Speaker 9: on the album, and you don't know if it's going

1573
01:26:30,280 --> 01:26:32,280
Speaker 9: to be single or not. And if it is a single,

1574
01:26:32,360 --> 01:26:33,760
Speaker 9: you don't know. You don't know the ins and out.

1575
01:26:34,280 --> 01:26:38,400
Speaker 9: So I have a label, Make Noise, and it's distributed

1576
01:26:38,439 --> 01:26:42,760
Speaker 9: through Caroline Capitol Records. And the first artist on that

1577
01:26:42,880 --> 01:26:47,080
Speaker 9: label is Vivian Green from Philly, and and the way

1578
01:26:47,200 --> 01:26:50,720
Speaker 9: that turned out was it's weird because it turned out

1579
01:26:52,400 --> 01:26:55,519
Speaker 9: me trying to suggest that she makes a certain type

1580
01:26:55,560 --> 01:26:59,360
Speaker 9: of record and she's not being with it at all,

1581
01:26:59,760 --> 01:27:03,200
Speaker 9: and I'm sending her tracks and song ideas and everything.

1582
01:27:03,800 --> 01:27:07,120
Speaker 9: And we called this one record called get Right Back

1583
01:27:07,160 --> 01:27:11,360
Speaker 9: to My Baby. On over with Frankie bevery s and

1584
01:27:13,760 --> 01:27:16,680
Speaker 9: I just threw it out there without her knowing, and

1585
01:27:17,320 --> 01:27:21,799
Speaker 9: you know, it became it became a barbecue type hit record,

1586
01:27:21,880 --> 01:27:24,600
Speaker 9: you know, the piggyback off of the original record, and

1587
01:27:26,040 --> 01:27:28,360
Speaker 9: and it spawned the whole label deal and everything.

1588
01:27:28,840 --> 01:27:32,080
Speaker 8: So so you know, I enjoy.

1589
01:27:33,760 --> 01:27:35,760
Speaker 9: I'm at a point in my career that I don't

1590
01:27:35,880 --> 01:27:37,680
Speaker 9: know where things are gonna go. I don't know if

1591
01:27:37,720 --> 01:27:40,920
Speaker 9: it's gonna be a super hit record or whatever. But

1592
01:27:41,160 --> 01:27:45,280
Speaker 9: I'm also at a point where my concern isn't there.

1593
01:27:46,120 --> 01:27:49,000
Speaker 9: As long as I have an outlet to put something

1594
01:27:49,040 --> 01:27:52,880
Speaker 9: out creative, I don't know what's gonna happen. So like

1595
01:27:53,000 --> 01:27:54,800
Speaker 9: with the Vivian Records, you know, each record that we

1596
01:27:54,880 --> 01:27:57,800
Speaker 9: put out for the charts that she's on the UAC charts,

1597
01:27:57,840 --> 01:28:00,479
Speaker 9: we're like number ten five two, you know.

1598
01:28:00,600 --> 01:28:05,800
Speaker 8: So so we do well in that space, and it's cool.

1599
01:28:05,840 --> 01:28:06,439
Speaker 8: We do great.

1600
01:28:07,040 --> 01:28:08,840
Speaker 9: You know, I perform with the band, you know, it's

1601
01:28:08,920 --> 01:28:12,880
Speaker 9: it's it's great. You know, we do arenas, we do clubs.

1602
01:28:12,560 --> 01:28:15,439
Speaker 7: We do and she's doing more than ballots, so that's good.

1603
01:28:15,520 --> 01:28:18,840
Speaker 9: Yeah, And that's another thing. It's like I like I

1604
01:28:19,000 --> 01:28:22,280
Speaker 9: like live energy. I like live musical energy. So so

1605
01:28:22,400 --> 01:28:24,560
Speaker 9: it just gives me an outlet to to do that

1606
01:28:24,640 --> 01:28:27,320
Speaker 9: amongst you know, the other artists that i'll have coming later.

1607
01:28:27,439 --> 01:28:31,679
Speaker 9: But you know, there's another artist out of Philly named Michelle.

1608
01:28:33,439 --> 01:28:36,000
Speaker 9: She's out of Bucks County that that more of a

1609
01:28:36,080 --> 01:28:40,080
Speaker 9: pop pop, electro artist. So that gets me to explore

1610
01:28:40,120 --> 01:28:43,360
Speaker 9: that side of production as well. So that's that's the

1611
01:28:43,439 --> 01:28:45,639
Speaker 9: next situation coming Michelle.

1612
01:28:45,840 --> 01:28:48,760
Speaker 8: Yeah, just Michelle. She didn't want to change going.

1613
01:28:48,680 --> 01:28:50,839
Speaker 3: To be a search engines exactly.

1614
01:28:52,720 --> 01:28:54,880
Speaker 10: It's the way your spelling is am I S H

1615
01:28:54,960 --> 01:29:00,479
Speaker 10: E l O jesus. Hey man, you know what psychological exactly?

1616
01:29:01,960 --> 01:29:03,920
Speaker 10: The question deep?

1617
01:29:04,240 --> 01:29:04,840
Speaker 8: What can you do?

1618
01:29:05,040 --> 01:29:05,160
Speaker 4: Man?

1619
01:29:05,240 --> 01:29:09,200
Speaker 9: It's like, you know, I think a name, a name

1620
01:29:10,360 --> 01:29:16,439
Speaker 9: definitely is very important. And I think an artist before

1621
01:29:16,520 --> 01:29:22,280
Speaker 9: they come out has a million names. So if it's Michelle, now,

1622
01:29:23,120 --> 01:29:26,920
Speaker 9: I'll go it could be poo poop poop by the end,

1623
01:29:27,040 --> 01:29:28,680
Speaker 9: by the end it comes out, you know. And and

1624
01:29:29,360 --> 01:29:31,200
Speaker 9: and I'm glad you guys are saying that. I'm glad

1625
01:29:31,200 --> 01:29:35,160
Speaker 9: you guys are you're you're saying what you're saying because

1626
01:29:35,200 --> 01:29:38,679
Speaker 9: sometimes artists need to hear that. You know, there's another rapper,

1627
01:29:39,120 --> 01:29:43,479
Speaker 9: there's another rapper that I work with, now phenomenal rapper,

1628
01:29:43,760 --> 01:29:45,920
Speaker 9: but the stuff isn't out yet. You know, he his

1629
01:29:46,120 --> 01:29:49,400
Speaker 9: name is, he goes by the name of Bobby J.

1630
01:29:49,720 --> 01:29:52,680
Speaker 9: So it's like, why are you using why are you

1631
01:29:52,800 --> 01:29:54,960
Speaker 9: saying that there's nothing against him? Because you are a

1632
01:29:55,160 --> 01:30:01,000
Speaker 9: great lyricist, You're a great MC. But sometimes artists feel

1633
01:30:01,080 --> 01:30:06,360
Speaker 9: like they are married to a name for a certain reason,

1634
01:30:07,120 --> 01:30:11,280
Speaker 9: and sometimes it works. Sometimes we'll hear a name and

1635
01:30:11,400 --> 01:30:13,560
Speaker 9: be like what, but it still works. Like when I

1636
01:30:13,600 --> 01:30:15,160
Speaker 9: heard Lady God Got for the first time, I was like,

1637
01:30:15,280 --> 01:30:15,720
Speaker 9: what is that?

1638
01:30:16,000 --> 01:30:16,200
Speaker 2: You know?

1639
01:30:16,800 --> 01:30:18,479
Speaker 3: And it but it worked when I seen her, I

1640
01:30:18,600 --> 01:30:21,880
Speaker 3: was like so so so.

1641
01:30:23,600 --> 01:30:26,559
Speaker 9: You never know where it falls, but it's always good

1642
01:30:27,479 --> 01:30:30,759
Speaker 9: for that constructive criticism to hit you, you know, because

1643
01:30:30,800 --> 01:30:33,360
Speaker 9: I could have been Jazzy kg Q and y'all have

1644
01:30:33,520 --> 01:30:34,519
Speaker 9: not been talking to me.

1645
01:30:34,960 --> 01:30:36,080
Speaker 7: Would you be quest for love?

1646
01:30:36,160 --> 01:30:36,519
Speaker 3: What was it?

1647
01:30:38,240 --> 01:30:38,639
Speaker 5: Yeah? Brother?

1648
01:30:38,760 --> 01:30:42,760
Speaker 3: Question rhythm? Well, first I was a sample.

1649
01:30:44,040 --> 01:30:51,040
Speaker 5: And then I was another name that divine technician and brother,

1650
01:30:51,880 --> 01:30:54,960
Speaker 5: you know you know, yeah, but but you yeah, you

1651
01:30:55,040 --> 01:30:56,400
Speaker 5: know that's why he left K one.

1652
01:30:56,560 --> 01:30:56,800
Speaker 3: Thank you?

1653
01:30:57,920 --> 01:30:59,000
Speaker 5: Your name is your name?

1654
01:30:59,160 --> 01:31:00,840
Speaker 8: Yeah? Because you know, like you know and.

1655
01:31:01,840 --> 01:31:03,880
Speaker 7: Twelve is out now you don't want to be affiliated?

1656
01:31:04,479 --> 01:31:04,920
Speaker 8: Yeah, you know.

1657
01:31:08,400 --> 01:31:11,200
Speaker 3: K twelve is the ship just killing niggas in d C. Oh,

1658
01:31:11,280 --> 01:31:11,920
Speaker 3: that's the new drug.

1659
01:31:13,680 --> 01:31:17,559
Speaker 8: Is the mountain that they.

1660
01:31:19,479 --> 01:31:19,599
Speaker 10: Yo.

1661
01:31:20,040 --> 01:31:23,800
Speaker 8: If you ever see somebody in real life on that run,

1662
01:31:25,160 --> 01:31:28,479
Speaker 8: eat your face. This we did. We did a show

1663
01:31:28,520 --> 01:31:28,720
Speaker 8: in d.

1664
01:31:28,840 --> 01:31:30,599
Speaker 9: C and these firemen were It was like, you want

1665
01:31:30,600 --> 01:31:32,280
Speaker 9: to show you something, man. We had to stop this

1666
01:31:32,360 --> 01:31:34,200
Speaker 9: guy on K twelve, and he showed me the video.

1667
01:31:34,280 --> 01:31:35,320
Speaker 8: This dude was butt.

1668
01:31:35,240 --> 01:31:38,240
Speaker 9: Naked in the middle street doing this crazy dancing, then

1669
01:31:38,280 --> 01:31:40,920
Speaker 9: starting to roll around. He thought monsters were eating him.

1670
01:31:41,360 --> 01:31:46,320
Speaker 9: That's something real. It's definitely like me.

1671
01:31:46,520 --> 01:31:46,880
Speaker 3: Once on.

1672
01:31:48,400 --> 01:31:52,639
Speaker 5: I accidentally had Brownie two. I told no, I just guess.

1673
01:31:52,920 --> 01:31:56,679
Speaker 8: Yeah, it was bad, So I have a Brownie experience.

1674
01:32:01,920 --> 01:32:03,000
Speaker 8: Everything happens in l A.

1675
01:32:03,120 --> 01:32:03,240
Speaker 4: Man.

1676
01:32:03,280 --> 01:32:03,879
Speaker 8: I swear.

1677
01:32:05,160 --> 01:32:07,800
Speaker 9: I got this weird cookie and I swear like I

1678
01:32:07,920 --> 01:32:12,000
Speaker 9: thought aliens were coming to get me. I thought Feds

1679
01:32:12,000 --> 01:32:14,160
Speaker 9: were coming and get me. I thought it was like

1680
01:32:14,840 --> 01:32:17,520
Speaker 9: I was driving home and I was super paranoid.

1681
01:32:17,560 --> 01:32:19,320
Speaker 8: I was like, if they stopped me, they can check

1682
01:32:19,360 --> 01:32:19,840
Speaker 8: my DNA.

1683
01:32:21,600 --> 01:32:22,080
Speaker 3: I wanted to go.

1684
01:32:23,080 --> 01:32:25,519
Speaker 8: I can't so bad man. I was like, I don't

1685
01:32:25,520 --> 01:32:27,960
Speaker 8: know what is the car actually drive?

1686
01:32:28,280 --> 01:32:32,680
Speaker 3: I was so fucked up, man, face The same. I

1687
01:32:32,760 --> 01:32:33,720
Speaker 3: want to cookie what.

1688
01:32:35,560 --> 01:32:37,479
Speaker 7: They won't do it, Steve, It won't do it for you.

1689
01:32:37,760 --> 01:32:41,400
Speaker 7: That's for them because they're you know, like weight, what's

1690
01:32:41,439 --> 01:32:43,400
Speaker 7: wrong that is there a three story? You got that

1691
01:32:43,479 --> 01:32:45,280
Speaker 7: Bnton jacket all because.

1692
01:32:48,320 --> 01:32:48,920
Speaker 8: Barcelona.

1693
01:32:49,800 --> 01:32:51,120
Speaker 7: I'm sorry, but you got it in?

1694
01:32:52,400 --> 01:32:54,120
Speaker 3: Come on you?

1695
01:32:54,360 --> 01:32:55,439
Speaker 5: What about that weight?

1696
01:32:55,840 --> 01:32:57,640
Speaker 3: What about the hat though? Where can we get one

1697
01:32:57,640 --> 01:32:58,080
Speaker 3: of the hats?

1698
01:32:59,080 --> 01:33:01,920
Speaker 9: Actually with the logo what I'm doing, it's gonna be

1699
01:33:01,920 --> 01:33:05,040
Speaker 9: a thirtieth anniversary of boy Genius coming up next year.

1700
01:33:05,560 --> 01:33:08,479
Speaker 8: So all the like paraphernalia like.

1701
01:33:09,960 --> 01:33:15,719
Speaker 9: Dad caps, fitted pins, buttons, you know, like exclusive Letthermon jackets,

1702
01:33:16,479 --> 01:33:19,080
Speaker 9: all that, even a BMX bike we're doing.

1703
01:33:19,240 --> 01:33:19,479
Speaker 8: Yeah.

1704
01:33:20,040 --> 01:33:22,479
Speaker 5: Yeah, and the desktop that was on the front of you,

1705
01:33:24,120 --> 01:33:27,040
Speaker 5: I mean that yeah, oldboard.

1706
01:33:27,400 --> 01:33:29,160
Speaker 3: Everything all right.

1707
01:33:29,880 --> 01:33:32,000
Speaker 8: You can find let me say, my social media. I

1708
01:33:32,040 --> 01:33:33,080
Speaker 8: think that's everything.

1709
01:33:33,400 --> 01:33:38,479
Speaker 9: So at at Kuwame Vision on Instagram and Kwame did

1710
01:33:38,560 --> 01:33:41,519
Speaker 9: it on Twitter, and and I'll post I post a

1711
01:33:41,560 --> 01:33:44,280
Speaker 9: lot so but I'll post, you know, information about the

1712
01:33:44,800 --> 01:33:46,320
Speaker 9: paraphernalia and all that kind of stuff.

1713
01:33:46,840 --> 01:33:51,080
Speaker 4: Okay, we will definitely, yeah, you will make sure that

1714
01:33:51,200 --> 01:33:52,879
Speaker 4: the socials get all the information.

1715
01:33:53,720 --> 01:33:56,160
Speaker 3: Uh br Like I said, it's been real.

1716
01:33:56,400 --> 01:33:58,920
Speaker 8: Thank you man. Thank you for having me. It's real.

1717
01:33:59,800 --> 01:34:01,160
Speaker 3: I still getting over poison.

1718
01:34:01,320 --> 01:34:04,080
Speaker 5: I where's that napkin?

1719
01:34:06,040 --> 01:34:08,160
Speaker 7: Instagram and blue checks playing?

1720
01:34:08,680 --> 01:34:12,200
Speaker 8: Yes, tell you know what Instagram said that I was

1721
01:34:12,320 --> 01:34:14,479
Speaker 8: not worthy of a blue check.

1722
01:34:15,880 --> 01:34:17,960
Speaker 5: Let me let me vouch, let me know. I'll make

1723
01:34:18,000 --> 01:34:18,599
Speaker 5: some phone call.

1724
01:34:19,240 --> 01:34:22,240
Speaker 3: I got you, I got you all right, you have company.

1725
01:34:24,000 --> 01:34:26,880
Speaker 11: Yes, I was just saying thank you for accompanying me

1726
01:34:26,960 --> 01:34:28,240
Speaker 11: on all those school bus rides.

1727
01:34:28,320 --> 01:34:30,680
Speaker 8: There you walk, man.

1728
01:34:32,240 --> 01:34:38,040
Speaker 3: Yes, I'm having a moment. Yeah, I feel was that

1729
01:34:38,160 --> 01:34:41,639
Speaker 3: dude for me? Back to the day man? Straight up? Yeah?

1730
01:34:41,920 --> 01:34:47,519
Speaker 5: Anyway, Steve and the Sugar Networks, why are you hating

1731
01:34:48,840 --> 01:34:54,400
Speaker 5: I'm sorry? Yeah, say that out loud. Uh, it's like you.

1732
01:34:54,640 --> 01:34:55,400
Speaker 3: It's still like you.

1733
01:34:56,479 --> 01:35:01,639
Speaker 4: Uh, Boss Bill, unpaid Bill, and thank you very much.

1734
01:35:02,520 --> 01:35:05,320
Speaker 4: We will see you on the next go round of

1735
01:35:06,400 --> 01:35:08,920
Speaker 4: Quest Love Supreme. My name is quest Love and this

1736
01:35:09,040 --> 01:35:10,599
Speaker 4: is Pandora. See you later.

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01:35:21,880 --> 01:35:25,599
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1738
01:35:25,680 --> 01:35:32,400
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