1 00:00:13,039 --> 00:00:16,560 Speaker 1: The show goes on. This is the official show on 2 00:00:16,640 --> 00:00:21,720 Speaker 1: the fish on First podcast channel, presented by MPT College Consulting. 3 00:00:22,400 --> 00:00:25,840 Speaker 1: I'm your host Eles Susman, I'm your founder of fish 4 00:00:26,000 --> 00:00:30,479 Speaker 1: on First, providing Marlins fans with complete coverage of the 5 00:00:30,560 --> 00:00:34,120 Speaker 1: Miami Marlins through the first eight games of the twenty 6 00:00:34,159 --> 00:00:38,280 Speaker 1: twenty four regular season. It has been complete shit and 7 00:00:38,320 --> 00:00:41,400 Speaker 1: that has to be a new podcast record for us 8 00:00:41,400 --> 00:00:44,200 Speaker 1: for earliest in a show to be dropping a curse word. 9 00:00:44,560 --> 00:00:47,880 Speaker 1: There's no other way around it. They are the only 10 00:00:47,920 --> 00:00:51,519 Speaker 1: remaining winless team in Major League Baseball and they have 11 00:00:51,680 --> 00:00:55,920 Speaker 1: been losing these games in ugly fashion, self inflicted wounds, 12 00:00:56,200 --> 00:00:59,920 Speaker 1: players underperforming. I am not a person that is prone 13 00:00:59,920 --> 00:01:04,679 Speaker 1: to to hyperbole, who chases clickbait, and yet I've arrived 14 00:01:04,680 --> 00:01:07,560 Speaker 1: at this place where I have to genuinely ask, is 15 00:01:07,600 --> 00:01:12,399 Speaker 1: this the worst losing streak in Marlin's history. We're gonna 16 00:01:12,440 --> 00:01:16,000 Speaker 1: spend this episode unpacking that and maybe you can draw 17 00:01:16,040 --> 00:01:18,640 Speaker 1: your own conclusions from it once we get to the end. 18 00:01:18,640 --> 00:01:20,640 Speaker 1: But that is kind of where we are, five percent 19 00:01:20,720 --> 00:01:25,440 Speaker 1: into this Marlin season, having to ask these big, existential, 20 00:01:25,840 --> 00:01:30,560 Speaker 1: existential questions about how much damage you can do to 21 00:01:30,840 --> 00:01:33,760 Speaker 1: a franchise in the course of barely one week's time 22 00:01:36,360 --> 00:01:41,000 Speaker 1: from twenty twenty three. Around this time one year ago, Gashism, 23 00:01:41,040 --> 00:01:43,959 Speaker 1: junior New Marlins center fielder at the time, put out 24 00:01:44,000 --> 00:01:47,960 Speaker 1: a tweet saying, and I quote guys, it's only game 25 00:01:48,080 --> 00:01:53,120 Speaker 1: number eight? Why is everyone panicking? You may remember this one. 26 00:01:53,920 --> 00:01:56,520 Speaker 1: At the time, the Marlins were three to five. They 27 00:01:56,560 --> 00:01:58,640 Speaker 1: were coming off a kind of messy loss to the 28 00:01:58,680 --> 00:02:01,480 Speaker 1: New York Mets, and as you know, that's season took 29 00:02:01,520 --> 00:02:03,440 Speaker 1: a couple of twists and turns, but ultimately led them 30 00:02:03,440 --> 00:02:07,720 Speaker 1: back to the postseason, a resounding success by any measure. 31 00:02:07,840 --> 00:02:12,200 Speaker 1: That was eight games into it, and it is reasonable 32 00:02:12,280 --> 00:02:15,760 Speaker 1: to remind you how long this season is. There. Every 33 00:02:15,880 --> 00:02:19,079 Speaker 1: single major League team is going to look bad over 34 00:02:19,120 --> 00:02:21,079 Speaker 1: the course of an eight game stretch at some point 35 00:02:21,200 --> 00:02:24,480 Speaker 1: during the season, every single one, even the Dodgers this year, 36 00:02:24,600 --> 00:02:26,679 Speaker 1: even the Braves, every single team is going to have 37 00:02:26,720 --> 00:02:30,680 Speaker 1: an ugly eight game stretch. The way that these eight 38 00:02:30,720 --> 00:02:33,000 Speaker 1: games have gone, though, and not only because it's at 39 00:02:33,040 --> 00:02:35,519 Speaker 1: the start of the season, but for what we've learned 40 00:02:35,560 --> 00:02:38,079 Speaker 1: about this Marlins team over these eight games is kind 41 00:02:38,120 --> 00:02:42,880 Speaker 1: of the reason why it is reasonable to panic. I'm 42 00:02:42,880 --> 00:02:45,360 Speaker 1: seeing a lot of panicking out there, not just nationally, 43 00:02:45,919 --> 00:02:49,680 Speaker 1: over teams, over writers that may have certain agendas. You 44 00:02:49,720 --> 00:02:52,360 Speaker 1: see it locally. You see it from a lot of 45 00:02:52,360 --> 00:02:56,040 Speaker 1: Marlins fans out there, kind of shifting their understanding about 46 00:02:56,040 --> 00:02:58,200 Speaker 1: where this team is headed. And I guess we could 47 00:02:58,200 --> 00:03:00,400 Speaker 1: take this moment briefly to talk about off the field. 48 00:03:00,520 --> 00:03:04,480 Speaker 1: The huge news that came out on Thursday about Urie 49 00:03:04,480 --> 00:03:10,040 Speaker 1: Perez having to undergo Tommy John surgery, a setback from 50 00:03:10,080 --> 00:03:12,960 Speaker 1: his case of elbow inflammation. The Marlins had already been 51 00:03:13,000 --> 00:03:15,320 Speaker 1: without him, they were going to be with Adham for listen, 52 00:03:15,320 --> 00:03:17,360 Speaker 1: another month or so. He had been in the middle 53 00:03:17,400 --> 00:03:19,919 Speaker 1: of a throwing progression. He had just thrown a bullpen 54 00:03:20,000 --> 00:03:22,720 Speaker 1: earlier this week and that is when the setback occurred. 55 00:03:23,000 --> 00:03:26,600 Speaker 1: Surgery was recommended. He's going to undergo surgery on Monday, 56 00:03:26,960 --> 00:03:29,720 Speaker 1: and that is part of the equation. I think what 57 00:03:29,760 --> 00:03:32,720 Speaker 1: you learn from following baseball for a while is that 58 00:03:32,800 --> 00:03:35,360 Speaker 1: no one individual player moves the needle quite as much 59 00:03:35,360 --> 00:03:39,119 Speaker 1: as you think they can't. They should so, especially one 60 00:03:39,360 --> 00:03:42,920 Speaker 1: like Perez who was as talented as he is, unestablished 61 00:03:42,920 --> 00:03:45,320 Speaker 1: at the big leagues at a stage of his career 62 00:03:45,360 --> 00:03:48,800 Speaker 1: where his workload is going to be monitored. That is 63 00:03:48,960 --> 00:03:54,440 Speaker 1: just one of the data points here that makes you 64 00:03:54,600 --> 00:03:57,600 Speaker 1: think that all things considered, this kind of losing streak 65 00:03:58,240 --> 00:04:01,680 Speaker 1: has been as dramatic change the entire outlook of the 66 00:04:01,720 --> 00:04:06,680 Speaker 1: franchise for this entire upcoming year right here, So I 67 00:04:06,720 --> 00:04:10,920 Speaker 1: want to draw your attention to this playoff odds when 68 00:04:10,960 --> 00:04:15,600 Speaker 1: probability charts from Fangraphs follow this pretty closely throughout the 69 00:04:15,720 --> 00:04:19,080 Speaker 1: entire season. Entering opening day, they had the Marlins right 70 00:04:19,080 --> 00:04:24,039 Speaker 1: around twenty nine percent probability of making the postseason, and 71 00:04:24,480 --> 00:04:28,159 Speaker 1: as of Thursday afternoon, they were down to seven percent. 72 00:04:28,320 --> 00:04:32,599 Speaker 1: Their odds, cut in a quarter of what they were 73 00:04:32,640 --> 00:04:35,440 Speaker 1: just entering the season eight days prior, from about twenty 74 00:04:35,520 --> 00:04:39,560 Speaker 1: nine to seven percent probability make into the postseason by 75 00:04:39,640 --> 00:04:42,440 Speaker 1: virtue of losing all of their games. Right here, we're 76 00:04:42,440 --> 00:04:44,760 Speaker 1: going to revisit this chart in just a little bit, 77 00:04:45,520 --> 00:04:49,080 Speaker 1: but talking about what it is that makes this losing 78 00:04:49,080 --> 00:04:53,280 Speaker 1: streak so concerning beyond just the losses themselves, It is 79 00:04:54,160 --> 00:04:57,040 Speaker 1: the It starts with the quality of the competition they're facing. 80 00:04:57,600 --> 00:05:00,240 Speaker 1: That seven of these first eight games were at home 81 00:05:00,320 --> 00:05:03,840 Speaker 1: in Lone Depot Park, and just this most recent one 82 00:05:03,839 --> 00:05:07,000 Speaker 1: on Thursday, a blown lead to the Cardinals in Bush 83 00:05:07,040 --> 00:05:09,000 Speaker 1: Stadium that was the only one on the road. The 84 00:05:09,120 --> 00:05:11,720 Speaker 1: quality of the competition has not been great. It has 85 00:05:11,839 --> 00:05:16,640 Speaker 1: been average at best. That's been really generous to what 86 00:05:16,720 --> 00:05:20,600 Speaker 1: you may expect the Pirates to improve with a young 87 00:05:20,640 --> 00:05:22,919 Speaker 1: team that may be getting better than they've been in 88 00:05:22,960 --> 00:05:28,960 Speaker 1: recent years. The Angels, the Otani Liss Angels also missing 89 00:05:29,120 --> 00:05:33,320 Speaker 1: just a lot of other talents, not a particularly good team, 90 00:05:33,360 --> 00:05:36,880 Speaker 1: one that I think by almost all prognostications, the Angels 91 00:05:36,880 --> 00:05:39,560 Speaker 1: are expected to be a sub five hundred team and 92 00:05:40,040 --> 00:05:42,960 Speaker 1: not any better than they were last year. And then 93 00:05:43,000 --> 00:05:45,239 Speaker 1: the Cardinals. We're going to get to the Cardinals again 94 00:05:45,400 --> 00:05:46,880 Speaker 1: a little bit more deeply in the second half of 95 00:05:46,880 --> 00:05:50,680 Speaker 1: the show. A team that was twenty games under five 96 00:05:50,760 --> 00:05:53,240 Speaker 1: hundred last year and that brought back a lot of 97 00:05:53,279 --> 00:05:56,480 Speaker 1: the same faces as they did a year ago. That 98 00:05:56,560 --> 00:05:58,920 Speaker 1: even if they were expected to improve from over what 99 00:05:58,960 --> 00:06:02,920 Speaker 1: they were a year ago. So it's some like it 100 00:06:03,000 --> 00:06:06,240 Speaker 1: is a team that is generously in the mix for 101 00:06:06,279 --> 00:06:09,039 Speaker 1: a postseason berth, but not even a prohibitive favorite in 102 00:06:09,080 --> 00:06:11,200 Speaker 1: their own division or to even make it back to 103 00:06:11,240 --> 00:06:13,520 Speaker 1: the playoffs. None of the opponents the Marlins have faced 104 00:06:13,560 --> 00:06:17,839 Speaker 1: at this point are particularly good, and a lot of 105 00:06:17,839 --> 00:06:20,200 Speaker 1: the star players, with the exception of micro Trapp during 106 00:06:20,240 --> 00:06:22,080 Speaker 1: the Angel series, a lot of the star players haven't 107 00:06:22,120 --> 00:06:25,920 Speaker 1: really showed out in the course of these games so far. 108 00:06:26,040 --> 00:06:29,279 Speaker 1: It's not like the talent from the opposition is really 109 00:06:29,520 --> 00:06:33,279 Speaker 1: jumping off of the screen when you watch these games. 110 00:06:33,360 --> 00:06:35,599 Speaker 1: It is more so about what the Marlins are doing 111 00:06:36,040 --> 00:06:39,600 Speaker 1: to themselves. To get into some of the stats. At 112 00:06:39,600 --> 00:06:42,880 Speaker 1: this point in the season, through eight games, hitting two 113 00:06:43,040 --> 00:06:47,560 Speaker 1: oh four with a five eighty nine OPS, Marlins opponents 114 00:06:47,600 --> 00:06:52,040 Speaker 1: are hitting two seventy six with an eight forty one OPS, 115 00:06:52,120 --> 00:06:56,039 Speaker 1: a two hundred and fifty two point gap in OPS, 116 00:06:56,400 --> 00:07:01,240 Speaker 1: Marlins being doubled up in runs by their opponents fifty 117 00:07:01,320 --> 00:07:04,840 Speaker 1: nine to twenty nine. As you know, the theme of 118 00:07:04,920 --> 00:07:09,240 Speaker 1: last year was the team outperforming their run differential, and 119 00:07:09,520 --> 00:07:12,080 Speaker 1: not only has you know the luck gone away, but 120 00:07:12,840 --> 00:07:16,400 Speaker 1: like it is, really this is a well earned zero 121 00:07:16,440 --> 00:07:19,280 Speaker 1: and eight start I think by bethagoa and record that's 122 00:07:19,280 --> 00:07:22,640 Speaker 1: about a Their run differential suggests about a two to 123 00:07:22,760 --> 00:07:28,280 Speaker 1: six record, so it's maybe a little bit unlucky, but 124 00:07:28,480 --> 00:07:31,960 Speaker 1: it has been terrible against as I mentioned, below average 125 00:07:31,960 --> 00:07:36,360 Speaker 1: competition anyway you slice it. To this point in the season, 126 00:07:37,880 --> 00:07:40,840 Speaker 1: there are just so many flaws to this team that 127 00:07:40,920 --> 00:07:43,000 Speaker 1: you look at, and a lot of it is centered 128 00:07:43,000 --> 00:07:46,200 Speaker 1: on pitching and defense, which we're going to be crucial 129 00:07:46,320 --> 00:07:48,920 Speaker 1: to the Marlins. Coming into this year, you knew that 130 00:07:48,960 --> 00:07:52,320 Speaker 1: the offense had somewhat limited ceiling. They were hoping that 131 00:07:52,720 --> 00:07:56,320 Speaker 1: it's sufficient pitching depth to be as good as they 132 00:07:56,320 --> 00:07:58,560 Speaker 1: were last year, and I don't know what they were 133 00:07:58,600 --> 00:08:03,560 Speaker 1: looking for defensively. Start with the pitching, and it's especially 134 00:08:03,640 --> 00:08:06,520 Speaker 1: the bullpen, right because last year, one reason why they 135 00:08:06,520 --> 00:08:10,120 Speaker 1: were winning all those close games was because you had 136 00:08:10,120 --> 00:08:13,640 Speaker 1: a bullpen that in those high leverage situations saved their 137 00:08:13,680 --> 00:08:17,400 Speaker 1: best for those moments. They got out of more jams 138 00:08:17,400 --> 00:08:19,640 Speaker 1: than you ever thought they would, even if the overall 139 00:08:19,680 --> 00:08:23,040 Speaker 1: bullpen numbers at times looked pretty good, but even the 140 00:08:23,080 --> 00:08:27,440 Speaker 1: performance kind of outdid what those surface stats said or 141 00:08:27,440 --> 00:08:29,560 Speaker 1: even what the advance that said. They were just an 142 00:08:29,720 --> 00:08:32,840 Speaker 1: extremely clutched team and you had to tip your hat 143 00:08:32,880 --> 00:08:36,319 Speaker 1: to Skip Schumacher and his staff for putting relievers in 144 00:08:36,400 --> 00:08:40,000 Speaker 1: these matchups that the vast majority of the time were 145 00:08:40,200 --> 00:08:43,760 Speaker 1: working out in the marlins favor. The most of the 146 00:08:43,800 --> 00:08:46,280 Speaker 1: coaching staff is still there. Obviously, Skip is still there. 147 00:08:46,920 --> 00:08:49,679 Speaker 1: I don't think he's necessarily pressing the wrong buttons. More 148 00:08:49,720 --> 00:08:51,920 Speaker 1: so that these relievers just are not as good as 149 00:08:51,920 --> 00:08:53,920 Speaker 1: they were a year ago. A lot of it starts 150 00:08:53,920 --> 00:08:56,960 Speaker 1: with Tanner Scott. Unfortunately, even in a really small sample, 151 00:08:57,240 --> 00:08:59,440 Speaker 1: he's already had a game where he walked the bases 152 00:08:59,520 --> 00:09:02,840 Speaker 1: loaded and that set up a go ahead run to score. 153 00:09:04,200 --> 00:09:07,120 Speaker 1: He's not a clean outing yet. There's been so few 154 00:09:07,360 --> 00:09:11,680 Speaker 1: clean outings by anybody in this bullpen. Isaacazut one of 155 00:09:11,679 --> 00:09:14,000 Speaker 1: my fished on first staffers. He was pointing it out 156 00:09:14,400 --> 00:09:16,400 Speaker 1: that I think many many people love notice as well, 157 00:09:16,520 --> 00:09:20,000 Speaker 1: is just the quality of the stuff of these Marlins 158 00:09:20,000 --> 00:09:23,160 Speaker 1: pictures are down compared to what they were last year, 159 00:09:23,400 --> 00:09:26,120 Speaker 1: compared to what they were in spring training. You see 160 00:09:26,160 --> 00:09:29,439 Speaker 1: it with Andrew Nardi, for example. Nardi was the most 161 00:09:29,679 --> 00:09:35,400 Speaker 1: recent goat for the Marlins on Thursday, came with a 162 00:09:35,440 --> 00:09:38,840 Speaker 1: couple inherited runners and a lead. Is the exact situation 163 00:09:39,000 --> 00:09:42,080 Speaker 1: that he was so prosperous in twenty twenty three. He 164 00:09:42,120 --> 00:09:44,560 Speaker 1: blew it. He was also hurt by the defense behind him, 165 00:09:44,559 --> 00:09:47,600 Speaker 1: where he gets that in just the moment he's not 166 00:09:47,640 --> 00:09:50,200 Speaker 1: throwing as hard as he was last year, Tanner Scott 167 00:09:50,240 --> 00:09:53,600 Speaker 1: not throwing quite as hard. Anthony Bender, who's been one 168 00:09:53,600 --> 00:09:55,440 Speaker 1: of the few bright spots of this bullpen so far, 169 00:09:55,600 --> 00:09:57,560 Speaker 1: he's not throwing as hard as he did prior to 170 00:09:57,559 --> 00:10:02,480 Speaker 1: Tommy John surgery and fastball velocity is so crucial for relievers. 171 00:10:03,880 --> 00:10:08,920 Speaker 1: Whatever reason, whatever strength and conditioning Marlins were doing, it 172 00:10:08,960 --> 00:10:11,679 Speaker 1: seems to have negatively impacted a lot of these guys. 173 00:10:11,679 --> 00:10:15,160 Speaker 1: At the same time, George Soriano, who recently had a 174 00:10:15,280 --> 00:10:19,959 Speaker 1: very ugly outing during the home stand. His fastball be 175 00:10:20,040 --> 00:10:22,120 Speaker 1: low is down, but what we saw when he was 176 00:10:22,200 --> 00:10:26,080 Speaker 1: up in the majors last year. So so many of 177 00:10:26,080 --> 00:10:28,960 Speaker 1: these guys, it's their stuff is down and their results 178 00:10:29,200 --> 00:10:33,840 Speaker 1: and everything is down. Like some of the only bright 179 00:10:33,880 --> 00:10:36,760 Speaker 1: spots in this pen have been Declan Cronin, who for 180 00:10:37,520 --> 00:10:39,760 Speaker 1: reasons that are still beyond me, they felt that he 181 00:10:39,920 --> 00:10:42,400 Speaker 1: was the one worth optioning and they can't even recall 182 00:10:42,480 --> 00:10:44,280 Speaker 1: him for another week and a half due to that. 183 00:10:44,640 --> 00:10:46,800 Speaker 1: Brian Hoing has been good in mop up duty and 184 00:10:46,920 --> 00:10:51,400 Speaker 1: low leverage situations, and Anthony Bender has been good so far, 185 00:10:51,559 --> 00:10:54,240 Speaker 1: even though he doesn't look quite as sharp as he 186 00:10:54,400 --> 00:10:57,080 Speaker 1: had been prior to his injury, and now we at 187 00:10:57,120 --> 00:10:59,160 Speaker 1: again to the defense before we get into the break, 188 00:10:59,200 --> 00:11:01,640 Speaker 1: talking about why it is that this started so concerning. 189 00:11:03,080 --> 00:11:06,440 Speaker 1: I'm not a big told you so guy, but I was, 190 00:11:06,600 --> 00:11:08,560 Speaker 1: I think more than anybody else. I was harping on 191 00:11:09,040 --> 00:11:13,000 Speaker 1: how troubling this defensive alignment looked heading into the season, 192 00:11:13,480 --> 00:11:18,920 Speaker 1: how it look in spring training. So few guys you 193 00:11:18,920 --> 00:11:22,240 Speaker 1: could point to that were actually good at fielding their position, 194 00:11:22,800 --> 00:11:25,120 Speaker 1: one of them being jazzism Junior, who is still so 195 00:11:25,240 --> 00:11:28,120 Speaker 1: new to center field. I'd say that he has unequivocally 196 00:11:28,160 --> 00:11:30,640 Speaker 1: been fined defensively, whether you want to say he's a 197 00:11:30,720 --> 00:11:33,960 Speaker 1: plus defender at this point or just average issu at 198 00:11:34,000 --> 00:11:39,400 Speaker 1: center field, He's been fine so far, and who else, 199 00:11:39,600 --> 00:11:44,240 Speaker 1: who else on this entire team have been fined? The 200 00:11:44,440 --> 00:11:50,520 Speaker 1: issues have been jarring. Just going by what the most 201 00:11:50,520 --> 00:11:54,120 Speaker 1: recent events he has. Luisa Rise really stood out for 202 00:11:54,200 --> 00:11:57,400 Speaker 1: his performance on Thursday, making a couple of errors, making 203 00:11:57,480 --> 00:12:01,040 Speaker 1: I think a third misplay up the that wasn't even 204 00:12:01,120 --> 00:12:05,760 Speaker 1: charge in error. Tim Anderson, the inconsistency of his throws, 205 00:12:06,280 --> 00:12:08,240 Speaker 1: the quality of his throws that stood out, as well 206 00:12:08,280 --> 00:12:11,319 Speaker 1: as his range still looking really limited as it was 207 00:12:12,080 --> 00:12:14,280 Speaker 1: last year. I mean, yeah, I didn't want to single 208 00:12:14,320 --> 00:12:16,640 Speaker 1: too many guys out, because it really has been just 209 00:12:16,920 --> 00:12:23,640 Speaker 1: about everybody. Everybody defensively mostly with the exception of Jazz, 210 00:12:24,280 --> 00:12:28,480 Speaker 1: that have been terrible and it's not always shown up 211 00:12:28,520 --> 00:12:31,080 Speaker 1: in terms of errors. There's been a lot of earned 212 00:12:31,200 --> 00:12:34,559 Speaker 1: runs that have been entirely on the defense that put 213 00:12:34,600 --> 00:12:37,640 Speaker 1: them in really bad situations. It puts immense pressure on 214 00:12:37,760 --> 00:12:41,000 Speaker 1: this pitching staff to miss bats, and yeah, they have 215 00:12:41,160 --> 00:12:44,040 Speaker 1: not really done it at a high enough level to 216 00:12:44,200 --> 00:12:46,520 Speaker 1: get around the bad defense behind them. I should have 217 00:12:46,559 --> 00:12:50,280 Speaker 1: mentioned also the starting pitching on Thursday, all eight of 218 00:12:50,320 --> 00:12:54,400 Speaker 1: these games, the starting pitchers have not completed six endings. 219 00:12:54,880 --> 00:12:57,000 Speaker 1: Lewis Addie O. White's another one of my staffers, has 220 00:12:57,120 --> 00:13:00,760 Speaker 1: really fixated on this. Nobody is going deep into these games. 221 00:13:01,800 --> 00:13:05,520 Speaker 1: And yet you keep hearing from Skip that he has 222 00:13:05,640 --> 00:13:08,319 Speaker 1: relievers that are down, that he needs more length, and 223 00:13:08,440 --> 00:13:10,760 Speaker 1: yet he's not pushing these guys to go deep into games, 224 00:13:10,800 --> 00:13:13,280 Speaker 1: and frankly they're not just they're not looking competent in 225 00:13:13,360 --> 00:13:15,760 Speaker 1: the middle endings in order to get that long enough 226 00:13:15,880 --> 00:13:18,880 Speaker 1: leash to pitch deep into the games and save the bullpen. 227 00:13:19,880 --> 00:13:23,760 Speaker 1: Eight straight games, no starts even reaching six endings that 228 00:13:23,960 --> 00:13:26,320 Speaker 1: matches the longest streak of its kind from the entire 229 00:13:26,520 --> 00:13:29,360 Speaker 1: twenty twenty three season. So he may think, well, we're 230 00:13:29,400 --> 00:13:31,199 Speaker 1: in this era where you don't get long starts in 231 00:13:31,240 --> 00:13:35,319 Speaker 1: the first place, especially in a Sandy Alcontra less world. 232 00:13:37,840 --> 00:13:41,079 Speaker 1: Even last year this was this only this match is 233 00:13:41,160 --> 00:13:45,760 Speaker 1: already the longest draft of its kind last year, highly unusual, 234 00:13:45,960 --> 00:13:49,800 Speaker 1: and they just has that domino effect where forces you 235 00:13:49,840 --> 00:13:52,120 Speaker 1: to use a lot more relievers. It has forced them 236 00:13:52,160 --> 00:13:55,000 Speaker 1: to send down some relievers for fresh arms, bring up 237 00:13:55,040 --> 00:13:58,800 Speaker 1: fresh arms that are non competitive without even having a 238 00:13:58,880 --> 00:14:00,679 Speaker 1: single guys out you know who talking about some of 239 00:14:00,720 --> 00:14:03,280 Speaker 1: these fresh arms they've brought up that are not conducive 240 00:14:03,360 --> 00:14:06,959 Speaker 1: to winning whatsoever, that are there out of necessity. So yeah, 241 00:14:07,040 --> 00:14:09,760 Speaker 1: going back to the defense, they were entering this final 242 00:14:09,840 --> 00:14:13,280 Speaker 1: game of this well I shouldn't say final game. Yeah, 243 00:14:13,520 --> 00:14:15,679 Speaker 1: as we'll get to the big question is how long 244 00:14:15,679 --> 00:14:18,480 Speaker 1: will this losing streak go on? Entering Game eight, the 245 00:14:18,600 --> 00:14:22,400 Speaker 1: Marlins were ranked second to last in baseball in defensive 246 00:14:22,520 --> 00:14:26,120 Speaker 1: runs saved, only better than the Oakland A's. That completely 247 00:14:26,240 --> 00:14:29,800 Speaker 1: matches the eye test here, just because across this team 248 00:14:29,840 --> 00:14:32,360 Speaker 1: it's a lack of range, just a lack of hands 249 00:14:32,680 --> 00:14:35,440 Speaker 1: on a lot of cases as well. I would say 250 00:14:35,440 --> 00:14:38,680 Speaker 1: the instincts have been okay for the most part, but 251 00:14:38,800 --> 00:14:41,360 Speaker 1: you just the execution is not there. These guys just 252 00:14:41,440 --> 00:14:45,120 Speaker 1: are not good defensive players, and yet they are having 253 00:14:45,160 --> 00:14:48,960 Speaker 1: to play defense. And when you have all these guys 254 00:14:49,080 --> 00:14:53,360 Speaker 1: next to each other, the issues compound. It is harder 255 00:14:53,440 --> 00:14:57,400 Speaker 1: to quote unquote hide a bad defender when the vast 256 00:14:57,440 --> 00:15:01,280 Speaker 1: majority of your guys are bad at fielding your position. Yeah, 257 00:15:01,280 --> 00:15:02,640 Speaker 1: all you have to do is watch these games to 258 00:15:02,680 --> 00:15:05,400 Speaker 1: know exactly what I'm talking about. All the missed opportunities 259 00:15:05,440 --> 00:15:10,600 Speaker 1: to turn double plays, the quality of the throws across 260 00:15:10,760 --> 00:15:13,080 Speaker 1: the board have for the most part been really bad. 261 00:15:14,440 --> 00:15:17,280 Speaker 1: I'll just the bright spots are proven jazz and honestly, 262 00:15:17,400 --> 00:15:20,280 Speaker 1: Avi Garcia I would say, has been fine in his 263 00:15:20,880 --> 00:15:24,240 Speaker 1: few total chances defensively as well in the corner spots. 264 00:15:25,040 --> 00:15:28,360 Speaker 1: And outside of that, even the catching position I felt, 265 00:15:28,440 --> 00:15:32,560 Speaker 1: I feel has just been met at best. I think 266 00:15:32,640 --> 00:15:35,960 Speaker 1: average would even be too kind. So that is just 267 00:15:36,080 --> 00:15:38,120 Speaker 1: making it all the more difficult for the Marlins to 268 00:15:38,480 --> 00:15:42,840 Speaker 1: prevent runs at this point. Just a yeah, totally messy situation. 269 00:15:43,360 --> 00:15:45,320 Speaker 1: They've looked at every bit as bad as an to 270 00:15:45,440 --> 00:15:49,920 Speaker 1: eight team, and that is why they're at least in 271 00:15:50,080 --> 00:15:54,200 Speaker 1: consideration for this distinction of worst losing streaking Marlins history. 272 00:15:54,560 --> 00:15:56,760 Speaker 1: Is not the longest one, so we're going to get 273 00:15:56,760 --> 00:16:00,760 Speaker 1: into there have been some longer ones. But the perception 274 00:16:01,120 --> 00:16:05,320 Speaker 1: of this Marlins team has changed dramatically over the course 275 00:16:05,360 --> 00:16:08,520 Speaker 1: of these eight games. I think myself and my staff 276 00:16:08,560 --> 00:16:11,400 Speaker 1: we were pretty blunt about how this team is worse 277 00:16:11,560 --> 00:16:14,480 Speaker 1: than last year, that they were in all likelihood not 278 00:16:14,560 --> 00:16:16,560 Speaker 1: going to win as many games, but the chances of 279 00:16:16,560 --> 00:16:18,920 Speaker 1: making the playoffs were slim to begin with, but we 280 00:16:19,080 --> 00:16:22,840 Speaker 1: still thought they would be somewhat competent. The idea of 281 00:16:23,000 --> 00:16:26,240 Speaker 1: being potentially one of the worst teams in baseball, of 282 00:16:26,480 --> 00:16:31,840 Speaker 1: having to already be thinking about selling pieces off of 283 00:16:31,920 --> 00:16:35,240 Speaker 1: your and stripping things down that did not seem like 284 00:16:35,320 --> 00:16:38,440 Speaker 1: a reasonable thing that would come to your mind. Five 285 00:16:38,560 --> 00:16:43,400 Speaker 1: percent is the regular season, but these are so serious 286 00:16:43,480 --> 00:16:45,400 Speaker 1: issues in terms of just the talent on the team, 287 00:16:45,800 --> 00:16:48,840 Speaker 1: the way the pieces fit together. And then this big 288 00:16:48,920 --> 00:16:54,280 Speaker 1: blow off the field with Uri, where a critical reinforcement 289 00:16:54,360 --> 00:16:58,240 Speaker 1: that you were not expecting to get but cautiously optimistic 290 00:16:58,280 --> 00:17:01,000 Speaker 1: could work his way back into your rope. He is 291 00:17:01,080 --> 00:17:03,560 Speaker 1: now totally out of the mix for the rest of 292 00:17:03,600 --> 00:17:08,399 Speaker 1: the season. It has to change the entire way that 293 00:17:08,520 --> 00:17:10,520 Speaker 1: you view this team, and there just are not very 294 00:17:10,600 --> 00:17:13,520 Speaker 1: many consecutive losing streaks in Marlon's history that I feel 295 00:17:13,960 --> 00:17:20,200 Speaker 1: have had this kind of deep, profound change on the 296 00:17:20,240 --> 00:17:25,200 Speaker 1: way that you perceive an entire season in order for 297 00:17:25,400 --> 00:17:28,440 Speaker 1: this like to reach his point, this has really been remarkable, 298 00:17:28,440 --> 00:17:30,000 Speaker 1: And I'm going to get into some of the cops 299 00:17:30,040 --> 00:17:34,720 Speaker 1: now in just a moment. Right before that, you should 300 00:17:34,800 --> 00:17:38,320 Speaker 1: know by now that our podcast is presented by MPT 301 00:17:38,520 --> 00:17:41,879 Speaker 1: College Consulting. 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Trying to put this in some historical context, 310 00:18:16,080 --> 00:18:17,760 Speaker 1: when I say this is one of the worst losing 311 00:18:17,760 --> 00:18:22,000 Speaker 1: streaks in Marlin's history. Here's your reminder for those watching 312 00:18:22,080 --> 00:18:25,000 Speaker 1: on YouTube. I'll be sure to embed this table in 313 00:18:25,119 --> 00:18:26,840 Speaker 1: our article page as well and send it out on 314 00:18:26,920 --> 00:18:30,240 Speaker 1: social media. Longest losing streaks in Marlin's history This one 315 00:18:30,359 --> 00:18:34,640 Speaker 1: now tied for eighth. Eight consecutive games tied for eighth. 316 00:18:34,680 --> 00:18:37,440 Speaker 1: There have been seven losing streaks in Marlin's history even 317 00:18:37,600 --> 00:18:41,600 Speaker 1: longer than this one. Just so that people watching can 318 00:18:41,680 --> 00:18:46,480 Speaker 1: see the full thing there it is. I feel as 319 00:18:46,600 --> 00:18:52,320 Speaker 1: the playoff odds chart show the Marlins were, you know, 320 00:18:52,520 --> 00:18:55,920 Speaker 1: kind of underdogs just on the periphery of the playoff 321 00:18:56,040 --> 00:18:59,320 Speaker 1: race entering this season, and now to go where it 322 00:19:00,080 --> 00:19:02,800 Speaker 1: would be borderline miracle to turn it around from to 323 00:19:02,880 --> 00:19:06,879 Speaker 1: go to seven percent playoff odds to getting in to October. 324 00:19:07,240 --> 00:19:09,920 Speaker 1: Would the fact that that perception has changed so much 325 00:19:10,720 --> 00:19:12,800 Speaker 1: and that it has been rooted every bit in the 326 00:19:12,880 --> 00:19:16,800 Speaker 1: way they've performed. This is highly unusual for things to 327 00:19:16,960 --> 00:19:19,000 Speaker 1: shift this much in such a short amount of time. 328 00:19:19,560 --> 00:19:22,720 Speaker 1: By process of elimination, there are three streaks on this 329 00:19:22,880 --> 00:19:24,840 Speaker 1: list that were longer than the current one, and they 330 00:19:24,840 --> 00:19:28,160 Speaker 1: were all within the same season in nineteen ninety eight. 331 00:19:28,760 --> 00:19:32,160 Speaker 1: That year should send shivers down your spine if you're 332 00:19:32,240 --> 00:19:35,480 Speaker 1: old enough to have lived through it. That was the 333 00:19:35,960 --> 00:19:39,720 Speaker 1: post after the very first fire sale in Marlin's history 334 00:19:39,720 --> 00:19:43,800 Speaker 1: immediately following that nineteen ninety seven championship, stripped everything down 335 00:19:45,080 --> 00:19:47,680 Speaker 1: or to save some money and reset things. They ended 336 00:19:47,760 --> 00:19:50,800 Speaker 1: up losing one hundred and eight games, including separate losing 337 00:19:50,840 --> 00:19:55,840 Speaker 1: streaks of eleven, eleven, and nine. So, for example, like, 338 00:19:55,960 --> 00:19:58,960 Speaker 1: those are ones that I felt were not as bad 339 00:19:59,000 --> 00:20:01,160 Speaker 1: a losing streak as with the Marlins are going through 340 00:20:01,480 --> 00:20:05,639 Speaker 1: right now, because those were a year where they just 341 00:20:05,680 --> 00:20:09,640 Speaker 1: didn't have those expectations whatsoever. So you're not gonna change 342 00:20:09,640 --> 00:20:12,879 Speaker 1: the way you feel about rebuilding team just because they 343 00:20:13,080 --> 00:20:16,320 Speaker 1: lose a few more games and go longer between wins 344 00:20:16,400 --> 00:20:18,920 Speaker 1: than you might have expected. And there are several others 345 00:20:19,040 --> 00:20:22,679 Speaker 1: like in here that match that description or somewhat similar. 346 00:20:23,000 --> 00:20:25,040 Speaker 1: There's there are some recent ones that we'll get into, 347 00:20:25,600 --> 00:20:28,119 Speaker 1: Like in twenty twenty one, in twenty twenty two, there 348 00:20:28,160 --> 00:20:32,200 Speaker 1: were post trade deadline losing streaks. Both of those years 349 00:20:33,040 --> 00:20:36,520 Speaker 1: the final two years of Don Mattingly's tenure as manager, 350 00:20:36,840 --> 00:20:39,000 Speaker 1: both times where the Marlins already had made the decision 351 00:20:39,000 --> 00:20:42,040 Speaker 1: to be sellers at the deadline, So especially the in 352 00:20:42,119 --> 00:20:44,800 Speaker 1: twenty twenty two. That was the one where I remember 353 00:20:44,840 --> 00:20:49,000 Speaker 1: their offense went into a total hibernation during that streak. 354 00:20:49,040 --> 00:20:51,880 Speaker 1: They lost nine in a row in late August early September. 355 00:20:52,240 --> 00:20:55,440 Speaker 1: Than in twenty twenty one, there was a streak in August. 356 00:20:56,119 --> 00:21:02,520 Speaker 1: I remember that as well, where those were agonizing to observe, 357 00:21:03,040 --> 00:21:05,760 Speaker 1: but it didn't really change much because that team was 358 00:21:05,840 --> 00:21:09,119 Speaker 1: not going not in the playoff mix anyway. They already 359 00:21:09,880 --> 00:21:13,000 Speaker 1: knew that they were like looking farther into the future 360 00:21:13,119 --> 00:21:16,919 Speaker 1: for their objectives right there in twenty twenty one. There 361 00:21:17,000 --> 00:21:19,600 Speaker 1: was another streak earlier in the year, late May to 362 00:21:20,080 --> 00:21:21,760 Speaker 1: early June. I looked back at that one and I 363 00:21:21,840 --> 00:21:24,600 Speaker 1: was refreshed that early in that twenty twenty one season, 364 00:21:25,440 --> 00:21:28,520 Speaker 1: that was the year where the Marlins were really underperforming 365 00:21:28,560 --> 00:21:30,840 Speaker 1: their run differential and that even though they were well 366 00:21:31,040 --> 00:21:33,280 Speaker 1: below five hundred, they were outscoring their opponents by a 367 00:21:33,359 --> 00:21:36,760 Speaker 1: comfortable margin. And that was kind of the turning point 368 00:21:36,800 --> 00:21:40,439 Speaker 1: there where it went from does this team have another 369 00:21:40,520 --> 00:21:42,960 Speaker 1: gear that they're going to get to to that's when 370 00:21:42,960 --> 00:21:45,919 Speaker 1: it turned too, well, this team actually has some fundamental 371 00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:47,920 Speaker 1: issues that they're not going to be able to overcome. 372 00:21:48,040 --> 00:21:49,600 Speaker 1: And the hole just got a little bit too deep, 373 00:21:49,720 --> 00:21:54,000 Speaker 1: right there. A lot of other ones on here. The 374 00:21:54,119 --> 00:21:57,920 Speaker 1: longest streak I already mentioned ninety eight had two eleven 375 00:21:57,960 --> 00:22:00,560 Speaker 1: game losing streaks. The other eleven game lose streak was 376 00:22:00,600 --> 00:22:03,840 Speaker 1: in twenty eleven, and so that is a kind of 377 00:22:04,359 --> 00:22:08,320 Speaker 1: a complicated parallel here because there were two separate losing 378 00:22:08,320 --> 00:22:11,240 Speaker 1: streaks in June to twenty eleven. They started off that 379 00:22:11,359 --> 00:22:13,720 Speaker 1: month by losing eight in a row, then they won 380 00:22:13,800 --> 00:22:16,680 Speaker 1: a game, and then they lost eleven more in a 381 00:22:16,800 --> 00:22:20,920 Speaker 1: row from June eleventh to June twentieth. That losing streak, 382 00:22:22,200 --> 00:22:27,399 Speaker 1: those combinations of adjacent losing streaks, directly costed Edwin Rodriguez 383 00:22:27,480 --> 00:22:30,560 Speaker 1: his managerial job right there. That was the final year 384 00:22:30,640 --> 00:22:34,639 Speaker 1: before moving into Marlins Park. The team was in very 385 00:22:34,680 --> 00:22:38,040 Speaker 1: good position entering June. Through the first third of the season, 386 00:22:38,600 --> 00:22:41,680 Speaker 1: they were, yeah, they were comfortably in the wild card mix. 387 00:22:42,320 --> 00:22:44,240 Speaker 1: And then by the time you got to a few 388 00:22:44,280 --> 00:22:47,520 Speaker 1: weeks later, by virtue of those two combined losing streaks, 389 00:22:47,640 --> 00:22:50,399 Speaker 1: it was just the opposite where they were. It was 390 00:22:50,440 --> 00:22:52,840 Speaker 1: pretty clear that they were not going to get things back. 391 00:22:53,080 --> 00:22:56,160 Speaker 1: They had a couple injuries pop up, including Josh Johnson, 392 00:22:56,320 --> 00:23:01,880 Speaker 1: Josh Johnson was when healthy at that time, a true 393 00:23:02,040 --> 00:23:05,200 Speaker 1: ace and a cy young contender, and he got hurt 394 00:23:05,359 --> 00:23:08,080 Speaker 1: in late May of that year and would miss the 395 00:23:08,200 --> 00:23:11,159 Speaker 1: rest of the year. So that was one that is 396 00:23:11,280 --> 00:23:13,080 Speaker 1: like kind of an honorable mention. But you have to 397 00:23:13,320 --> 00:23:17,240 Speaker 1: combine those losing streaks a little bit. So when you 398 00:23:17,359 --> 00:23:21,639 Speaker 1: combine those two losing nineteen out of twenty and totally 399 00:23:21,680 --> 00:23:24,480 Speaker 1: flip where you are in the standings of rounds, I 400 00:23:24,600 --> 00:23:27,320 Speaker 1: think that is if you want to consider that like 401 00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:30,000 Speaker 1: one long, massive streak, then that is kind of in 402 00:23:30,119 --> 00:23:33,480 Speaker 1: this similar conversation. But that team was not one that 403 00:23:34,600 --> 00:23:36,720 Speaker 1: I guess you could say they had comparable expectations coming 404 00:23:36,760 --> 00:23:39,440 Speaker 1: into the year and they were in a good spot, 405 00:23:39,520 --> 00:23:40,840 Speaker 1: and you know, by the end of that streak, it 406 00:23:40,960 --> 00:23:43,720 Speaker 1: was clear that a lot was going to change entering 407 00:23:43,800 --> 00:23:46,840 Speaker 1: twenty twelve. As you know, they did change a ton 408 00:23:47,560 --> 00:23:50,600 Speaker 1: from not just the coaching staff of course, the roster 409 00:23:50,840 --> 00:23:53,640 Speaker 1: and the rare investments that they made into the team 410 00:23:54,280 --> 00:23:57,760 Speaker 1: entering that Miami Barlin's era. So that's kind of like 411 00:23:58,359 --> 00:24:03,520 Speaker 1: something that worth that was pretty seismic. But I think 412 00:24:03,520 --> 00:24:06,760 Speaker 1: the most fascinating parallels between this year and just going 413 00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:09,320 Speaker 1: back one year to that losing streak of the same 414 00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:12,160 Speaker 1: length eight games. Coming out of the twenty twenty three 415 00:24:12,359 --> 00:24:16,840 Speaker 1: All Star Break, the Marlins were one of the feel 416 00:24:16,920 --> 00:24:19,640 Speaker 1: good stories of all of baseball by the All Star 417 00:24:19,760 --> 00:24:22,840 Speaker 1: Break of last year, I think fifteen games over five 418 00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:26,040 Speaker 1: hundred or so. They had that one run magic. They 419 00:24:26,119 --> 00:24:30,680 Speaker 1: had those star players, with Louisa Rise in particular kind 420 00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:34,360 Speaker 1: of dominating all the headlines with his chase for four 421 00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:38,800 Speaker 1: hundred and by playoff odds alone, that dip that they 422 00:24:38,920 --> 00:24:41,359 Speaker 1: had during that eight game losing streak was actually a 423 00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:45,520 Speaker 1: bigger dip than what they're going through right now. It 424 00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:48,680 Speaker 1: were right round seventy four percents coming out of the 425 00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:53,240 Speaker 1: All Star Break by Fangrafts playoff odds in twenty twenty three, 426 00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:56,280 Speaker 1: and by the time the streak ended they were hovering 427 00:24:56,520 --> 00:24:59,639 Speaker 1: around fifty. So that drop off this year from opening 428 00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:02,119 Speaker 1: Day to t now has been about twenty two percent, 429 00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:06,400 Speaker 1: but last year it was about twenty five twenty six 430 00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:09,960 Speaker 1: to go from three quarters chance of making the playoffs 431 00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:13,520 Speaker 1: to being a coin flip at that point. Now, I 432 00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:17,479 Speaker 1: do think still that what they're going through right now, 433 00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:22,120 Speaker 1: even though by total percentage drop off it's not as severe. 434 00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:26,639 Speaker 1: I think this current thing that they're going through is 435 00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:31,920 Speaker 1: more distressing because at least last year you had a 436 00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:36,480 Speaker 1: pretty extensive period of performance to fall back on. You 437 00:25:36,600 --> 00:25:39,000 Speaker 1: had the majority of your season was already in the books, 438 00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:42,240 Speaker 1: and this team had already shown that they did certain 439 00:25:42,280 --> 00:25:45,040 Speaker 1: things well. And I think some of the regression was 440 00:25:45,040 --> 00:25:48,600 Speaker 1: also expected at that time. Right nobody was under the 441 00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:50,439 Speaker 1: delusion that they were going to win every single one 442 00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:53,359 Speaker 1: run game the entire year. I think people were aware 443 00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:57,679 Speaker 1: the limitations that the offense had, and Sandy al Contra 444 00:25:57,880 --> 00:26:00,520 Speaker 1: was still not fully himself and that been an issue 445 00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:03,040 Speaker 1: all year, had other concerns about their rotation depth. It 446 00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:05,920 Speaker 1: was around that time that Yuri Paraz got sent down 447 00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:10,119 Speaker 1: to the miners to take a breather to manage his endings, 448 00:26:10,119 --> 00:26:12,680 Speaker 1: and that Johnny Quato was about to be brought back 449 00:26:12,840 --> 00:26:17,240 Speaker 1: onto the pitching staff. I remember that whole exchange very vividly, 450 00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:21,360 Speaker 1: that transition to welcoming Cuato back, even though he looked 451 00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:24,080 Speaker 1: like a shell of his former self, like that team 452 00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:28,800 Speaker 1: had deficiencies. And yet the timing was also convenient for 453 00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:31,840 Speaker 1: the Marlins because it was still before the trade deadline. 454 00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:35,760 Speaker 1: Just by enough it had went from July fourteenth to 455 00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:38,159 Speaker 1: July twenty second, The deadline was about a week and 456 00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:41,480 Speaker 1: a half after it ended, and they performed just well 457 00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:44,760 Speaker 1: enough after that streak in order to still be buyers 458 00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:47,440 Speaker 1: in order to swing those trades for Josh Bell and 459 00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:52,760 Speaker 1: Jake Berger and David Robertson. So they were still buyers 460 00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:55,560 Speaker 1: despite that, because they'd built enough of a cushion for themselves. 461 00:26:55,960 --> 00:26:58,480 Speaker 1: It felt confident enough in the culture that they had set, 462 00:26:59,040 --> 00:27:00,639 Speaker 1: and the timing of it was so that they can 463 00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:05,000 Speaker 1: make tangible improvements to the team to try to address 464 00:27:05,040 --> 00:27:07,520 Speaker 1: some of those problems that were causing those issues during 465 00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:11,120 Speaker 1: the streak. Now, having this losing shore at the start 466 00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:13,879 Speaker 1: of the year, you have all your options in front 467 00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:16,239 Speaker 1: of you, plenty of time in order to potentially make 468 00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:20,280 Speaker 1: improvements right here. But I mean, the conditions are entirely different, 469 00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:23,479 Speaker 1: starting with the front office, where you have Peter Bendix 470 00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:25,800 Speaker 1: instead of Kim Ang. You have an executive in the 471 00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:28,040 Speaker 1: first year of a deal instead of the one in 472 00:27:28,160 --> 00:27:31,480 Speaker 1: the last guaranteed year of her deal, so the motivations 473 00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:33,320 Speaker 1: are different. This is something that I feel like we've 474 00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:37,680 Speaker 1: touched on sufficiently leading into the season that Bendix is 475 00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:42,960 Speaker 1: not being evaluated as directly on wins and losses this 476 00:27:43,119 --> 00:27:45,480 Speaker 1: year as Kim Ang was last year. It's not the 477 00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:49,359 Speaker 1: same incentives for him to put all his ships and 478 00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:51,920 Speaker 1: making this team win as many games as possible. It 479 00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:55,040 Speaker 1: needs to be looking out for the long term, acting 480 00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:59,520 Speaker 1: in the best long term interest of the organization. And 481 00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:02,320 Speaker 1: because of that, like some of those same deals that 482 00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:07,280 Speaker 1: Kim had made at last years trade deadline, those win 483 00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:09,400 Speaker 1: now moves, those are not going to happen this year, 484 00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:12,480 Speaker 1: just because she used up a lot of the assets 485 00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:15,640 Speaker 1: they had at that time, A lot of the prospect 486 00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:17,879 Speaker 1: capital that they had have already been gone, and so 487 00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:20,800 Speaker 1: there's very little for Bendix to use even if he 488 00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:23,760 Speaker 1: wanted to, even if he had like very clear idea 489 00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:26,080 Speaker 1: of what this team needed in order to turn things around. 490 00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:29,800 Speaker 1: The other dropback of being at the start of the 491 00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:32,119 Speaker 1: year is that there's just no evidence whatsoever that these 492 00:28:32,119 --> 00:28:36,760 Speaker 1: pieces fit together. And now there have been some setbacks 493 00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:40,800 Speaker 1: injury wise, there have been just so few cases individually 494 00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:44,320 Speaker 1: where you see players and you see like tangible improvements, 495 00:28:44,360 --> 00:28:46,240 Speaker 1: like how many of these guys are actually better than 496 00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:49,120 Speaker 1: the versions of themselves that we saw in twenty twenty 497 00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:51,240 Speaker 1: three there's just very little evidence that these guys have 498 00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:55,880 Speaker 1: improved their skills, that they're more that they like, whether 499 00:28:55,960 --> 00:29:01,400 Speaker 1: it's physically or whether it's strategically or tactically, Like, there's 500 00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:04,480 Speaker 1: just they need to really prove so much in order 501 00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:08,720 Speaker 1: for you to even think about investing more in the 502 00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:12,200 Speaker 1: present version of this team, and we haven't even seen 503 00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:15,680 Speaker 1: that yet. So and I think again, just to pull 504 00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:18,120 Speaker 1: these charts one more time for the people watching on 505 00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:21,400 Speaker 1: YouTube or on our site, get that drop off from 506 00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:26,040 Speaker 1: twenty nine percent of seven is a lot more damaging 507 00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:32,120 Speaker 1: than seventy four to fifty, where, yeah, it's really bleak 508 00:29:32,360 --> 00:29:36,600 Speaker 1: right now. It will take a pretty stunning turnarounds in 509 00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:39,800 Speaker 1: order to take this team is currently constructed and get 510 00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:41,600 Speaker 1: them in And you just don't see where that turnaround 511 00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:44,520 Speaker 1: is going to come from, given how thin this organization 512 00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:48,560 Speaker 1: is at the upper levels of the Miners in terms 513 00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:51,720 Speaker 1: of guys that you actually think are could be upgrades 514 00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:54,480 Speaker 1: over who they currently have, I don't think, all due respect, 515 00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:57,040 Speaker 1: I don't think Will Banfield is going to save their season. 516 00:29:57,160 --> 00:29:59,480 Speaker 1: I don't think Tristan Gray is going to save their 517 00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:04,480 Speaker 1: season when they get Braxton Garrett and Edward Cabrera back 518 00:30:04,520 --> 00:30:08,240 Speaker 1: from injury, which could happen in the coming weeks. Those 519 00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:10,360 Speaker 1: guys kind of have some of the same issues are 520 00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:13,160 Speaker 1: still going to be prevalent in terms of can starters 521 00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:16,200 Speaker 1: go deep enough into their games, can these relievers that 522 00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:19,760 Speaker 1: have diminished stuff somehow get their stuff back? And how 523 00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:22,920 Speaker 1: in the world are you going to turn deficient defenders 524 00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:28,040 Speaker 1: all over the Diamonds into better defenders, Like there's only 525 00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:31,360 Speaker 1: so much you can teach veteran players, and if it 526 00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:36,440 Speaker 1: hasn't really been taught entering the year, like, it's hard 527 00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:40,560 Speaker 1: to totally flip a switch and turn things around. Just 528 00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:43,480 Speaker 1: looking back again at these other longest losing streaks for 529 00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:47,080 Speaker 1: the Marlins, there was one early in twenty fourteen in 530 00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:50,680 Speaker 1: April that year. In May of twenty fifteen, that was 531 00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:53,240 Speaker 1: the one that cost Mike Redmond his job and led 532 00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:57,000 Speaker 1: to the Dan Jennings experiments. Back then, there was one 533 00:30:57,200 --> 00:30:59,040 Speaker 1: in the second half of two thousand and seven when 534 00:30:59,080 --> 00:31:00,440 Speaker 1: they were ready out of the race. There were a 535 00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:04,120 Speaker 1: bunch in the early two thousands where those teams were 536 00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:08,360 Speaker 1: not quite it wasn't really reasonable to see them as 537 00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:11,120 Speaker 1: postseason teams, partly because that was also the era where 538 00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:16,960 Speaker 1: there was only one wild card, So in conclusion, I 539 00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:20,480 Speaker 1: think that this is right. I think this might be 540 00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:24,640 Speaker 1: the longest consecutive losing streak of games that the Marlins 541 00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:28,640 Speaker 1: have ever had when you take everything in combination with 542 00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:30,760 Speaker 1: each other, because of the timing of it at the 543 00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:34,240 Speaker 1: very start of the year, because of all the different 544 00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:38,120 Speaker 1: fires that have popped out, and how overwhelming it seems 545 00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:40,239 Speaker 1: that you could actually put out all these fires at 546 00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:43,960 Speaker 1: the same time potentially, and even though you're in this 547 00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:46,440 Speaker 1: era where there's three wild cards, I think that's kind 548 00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:49,240 Speaker 1: of the only reason why they enter this season even 549 00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:52,440 Speaker 1: feeling they have a shot, and why Bruce Sherman to 550 00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:54,520 Speaker 1: even say with a straight face that they felt like 551 00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:58,400 Speaker 1: this was a good product or a competitive product that 552 00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:01,320 Speaker 1: we're worth showing up for this year, is because the 553 00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:05,320 Speaker 1: bar to make the postseason is lower than its historically 554 00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:07,440 Speaker 1: has been. It's been in the mid eighties. If you 555 00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:10,120 Speaker 1: get mid eighties wins, so you could get in, and 556 00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:13,440 Speaker 1: over the course of a single season, maybe they do 557 00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:16,160 Speaker 1: get fortunate again. Maybe some of the reasons why they 558 00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:18,719 Speaker 1: were able to prevail in high level situations last year 559 00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:22,360 Speaker 1: could carry over, like it wasn't totally outlandish even though 560 00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:25,040 Speaker 1: I disagreed with it, it was not an outlandish opinion 561 00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:27,320 Speaker 1: to think that this team could be competitive all season 562 00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:30,880 Speaker 1: long when you just did an honest analysis that seems 563 00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:33,320 Speaker 1: to be within the range of outcomes, and now all 564 00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:35,680 Speaker 1: of a sudden, just within the span of barely a week, 565 00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:39,040 Speaker 1: that it doesn't really seem like that's within the range 566 00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:42,160 Speaker 1: of outcomes for them anymore, with all the events that 567 00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:45,720 Speaker 1: have happened to this point. It starts with ownership, with 568 00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:49,320 Speaker 1: the fact that Bruce did not spends more money on 569 00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:51,920 Speaker 1: this team than he did last year. They just moved 570 00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:56,600 Speaker 1: around the money in this case to address different areas. 571 00:32:57,040 --> 00:32:58,840 Speaker 1: But it went all the way up to opening Day 572 00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:00,760 Speaker 1: where it'll like, take, hey, maybe the investment is up 573 00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:02,920 Speaker 1: a little bit, and then nope, trading John Birdie to 574 00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:06,280 Speaker 1: save three million bucks. It gets them back where they 575 00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:11,880 Speaker 1: are this financially. Financial restraints really prevented Marlins from putting 576 00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:15,320 Speaker 1: together a good team this year. So it seems, even 577 00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:18,840 Speaker 1: if they won't directly say so, this really falls on 578 00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:23,800 Speaker 1: almost everybody though. This is a humiliation, humiliating start of 579 00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:28,560 Speaker 1: the season that almost everybody is culpable for it because 580 00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:30,840 Speaker 1: some of the decisions that have made even the marginal 581 00:33:31,120 --> 00:33:34,480 Speaker 1: roster moves that have perplexed me a little bit from 582 00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:38,880 Speaker 1: Peter Bendix and also the player performances. These players are 583 00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:42,160 Speaker 1: not performing well. They've been not performing as well as 584 00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:45,600 Speaker 1: they should be. Defensively, I feel like there's potential to 585 00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:47,920 Speaker 1: be not quite the worst defensive team in the league. 586 00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:51,560 Speaker 1: Offensively as well. You know, we haven't really gotten into it, 587 00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:56,720 Speaker 1: but like, entering play on Thursday, just about everybody was 588 00:33:56,840 --> 00:34:01,360 Speaker 1: below average in terms of ops. Everybody on the entire 589 00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:03,760 Speaker 1: roster was a below average hitter at the same time, 590 00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:07,080 Speaker 1: and there's more talent there than that. From Yeah, I 591 00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:09,440 Speaker 1: don't even need to call people out individually, Like it 592 00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:12,880 Speaker 1: is just clear that the quality of at bats that 593 00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:16,480 Speaker 1: they've had, the preponderance of double plays, just as we 594 00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:19,440 Speaker 1: saw last year. Yeah, I could go on and on, 595 00:34:19,680 --> 00:34:23,759 Speaker 1: but this team is just a total shit show. I 596 00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:27,400 Speaker 1: started this pod with a curse word and got to 597 00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:32,560 Speaker 1: end it with one, because Yeah, this is bitterly disappointing 598 00:34:32,640 --> 00:34:35,960 Speaker 1: for anybody that is falling along. And we'll see how 599 00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:39,080 Speaker 1: the players respond their very first off day of the season, 600 00:34:39,640 --> 00:34:43,040 Speaker 1: and they have a whole lot to figure out. And 601 00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:46,680 Speaker 1: it just said, I feel like the way that this 602 00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:49,560 Speaker 1: has been put together, there's just not a whole lot 603 00:34:49,640 --> 00:34:53,240 Speaker 1: they can do at this point in order to fully 604 00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:55,960 Speaker 1: turn things around. That this team was not put in 605 00:34:56,040 --> 00:35:00,040 Speaker 1: a great position, and then just the perfect storm of 606 00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:06,799 Speaker 1: disappoint of like frustration and a little bit of bad luck, 607 00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:10,920 Speaker 1: but just a lot of underperformance right here. It's it's 608 00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:14,160 Speaker 1: gonna be very difficult to dig out of this hole. 609 00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:18,880 Speaker 1: And I think this one losing streak this early in 610 00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:21,480 Speaker 1: the year, I cannot blame people for saying that they 611 00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:23,839 Speaker 1: might be out on this team, that they might want 612 00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:26,800 Speaker 1: to check out, that give up on this particular season. 613 00:35:27,239 --> 00:35:30,840 Speaker 1: And even beyond that, the idea that this losing streak, 614 00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:34,560 Speaker 1: this one sequence of eight days could be the impetus 615 00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:40,520 Speaker 1: for an actual complete rebuild and the selling of several 616 00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:44,480 Speaker 1: core pieces right now in order to, you know, actually 617 00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:47,640 Speaker 1: totally reset this in a way that could affect the 618 00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:50,680 Speaker 1: team beyond even twenty twenty five or twenty twenty six. 619 00:35:51,120 --> 00:35:54,840 Speaker 1: And I can see it, and it's yeah, it's not 620 00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:58,879 Speaker 1: totally shocking. Big picture, I think the question was people 621 00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:02,880 Speaker 1: were wondering whether the marvel and would actually just detonate 622 00:36:03,080 --> 00:36:05,799 Speaker 1: things this offseason and not even wait for the first 623 00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:09,240 Speaker 1: season in order to really blow it up and build 624 00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:13,479 Speaker 1: it up again in Peter Bendix's image, and instead maybe 625 00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:15,800 Speaker 1: we'll just they just to wait a few extra months 626 00:36:16,080 --> 00:36:18,440 Speaker 1: for the team to fail on the field before doing that. 627 00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:23,280 Speaker 1: But yeah, it's it's really depressing that this could happen 628 00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:28,160 Speaker 1: just because of fans. I thought I had really reasonable 629 00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:32,520 Speaker 1: expectations that this team would just be competent this year 630 00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:34,720 Speaker 1: that would put forth, you know, some kind of effort 631 00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:37,799 Speaker 1: in order to keep the momentum going from twenty twenty three, 632 00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:41,200 Speaker 1: that they showed up in bigger numbers and support this 633 00:36:41,239 --> 00:36:43,840 Speaker 1: team in bigger numbers and they had historically, and that 634 00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:50,080 Speaker 1: ownership would would actually value that, and it ultimately starts 635 00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:52,960 Speaker 1: at that highest level with ownership right here, putting them 636 00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:55,480 Speaker 1: even in the position where it was possible to have 637 00:36:55,560 --> 00:36:57,759 Speaker 1: a losing streak like this straight out of the gate, 638 00:36:57,840 --> 00:37:03,439 Speaker 1: to be so just clumsily put together with this team 639 00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:06,000 Speaker 1: that there was even any sot of sequence of events 640 00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:09,480 Speaker 1: that could lead to this deep hole that they've dug 641 00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:13,520 Speaker 1: themselves into as the last remaining winless team in Major 642 00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:19,360 Speaker 1: League Baseball. 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