1 00:00:06,400 --> 00:00:10,520 Speaker 1: Welcome to Creature Future production of iHeartRadio. I'm your host 2 00:00:10,560 --> 00:00:15,240 Speaker 1: of Mini Parasites, Katie Golden. I studied psychology and evolutionary biology, 3 00:00:15,280 --> 00:00:18,480 Speaker 1: and today on the show, don't skip leg Day because 4 00:00:18,480 --> 00:00:22,079 Speaker 1: we are talking about animals with the chunkiest, buffust and 5 00:00:22,200 --> 00:00:28,040 Speaker 1: most impressive legs in the world. These animals are powered 6 00:00:28,240 --> 00:00:34,680 Speaker 1: by two potent legs that will take them on interesting paths, 7 00:00:34,720 --> 00:00:39,040 Speaker 1: to say the least. Joining me today is comedian TV writer, 8 00:00:39,240 --> 00:00:42,879 Speaker 1: creator of Comedy Central digital series Gone Native, and a 9 00:00:42,920 --> 00:00:48,479 Speaker 1: writer for Spirit Rangers on Netflix. Garfield appreciator Joey Clift. Welcome. 10 00:00:50,000 --> 00:00:52,159 Speaker 2: Yeah, hey everybody, thanks so much for having me Katie, 11 00:00:52,400 --> 00:00:55,720 Speaker 2: and I gotta say I'm very excited to talk about 12 00:00:56,000 --> 00:01:00,160 Speaker 2: today's episode. This isn't something I posted a to on 13 00:01:00,200 --> 00:01:03,040 Speaker 2: social media, but I started working out with a personal 14 00:01:03,080 --> 00:01:06,679 Speaker 2: trainer at the beginning of the year, and because of that, 15 00:01:06,880 --> 00:01:09,399 Speaker 2: I've basically been in this losing battle over the past 16 00:01:09,520 --> 00:01:14,560 Speaker 2: year of trying not to make working out my entire personality. 17 00:01:14,680 --> 00:01:16,679 Speaker 2: So I feel like leg Day is something that I'm 18 00:01:16,720 --> 00:01:19,760 Speaker 2: well versed in. I'm really excited to talk about this. 19 00:01:19,880 --> 00:01:21,920 Speaker 2: I hope we get some talks about you know who's 20 00:01:21,920 --> 00:01:25,240 Speaker 2: got the best pendulum squat, you know, like you know 21 00:01:25,240 --> 00:01:28,080 Speaker 2: who's got the best lifting techniques. You know who's RDL 22 00:01:28,959 --> 00:01:31,280 Speaker 2: is the most spectacular. You know, if you want to 23 00:01:31,319 --> 00:01:33,440 Speaker 2: talk about protein shakes, I can definitely get into that. 24 00:01:33,880 --> 00:01:36,600 Speaker 2: So yeah, like I said, losing battle to make this 25 00:01:36,680 --> 00:01:38,559 Speaker 2: my entire personality, Well, I. 26 00:01:38,560 --> 00:01:42,399 Speaker 1: Too have a personal trainer. Her name is Cookie, and 27 00:01:42,720 --> 00:01:47,440 Speaker 1: she strongly encourages me to go on walks every day 28 00:01:49,560 --> 00:01:53,600 Speaker 1: and to also rub her belly. That's a particular exercise 29 00:01:53,680 --> 00:01:56,240 Speaker 1: that she says is really good for like my wrist 30 00:01:56,360 --> 00:02:02,240 Speaker 1: control or something. Anyways, Yeah, so I am very very 31 00:02:02,320 --> 00:02:05,279 Speaker 1: much super swoll in every sense. 32 00:02:06,360 --> 00:02:08,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, since this is an audio medium, it's good to 33 00:02:08,840 --> 00:02:11,560 Speaker 2: note that both of us are just totally jacked right now. Yeah, 34 00:02:11,600 --> 00:02:13,040 Speaker 2: it's very very buff yoke. 35 00:02:13,240 --> 00:02:17,000 Speaker 1: It's hard to podcast because our biceps keep bonking into 36 00:02:17,040 --> 00:02:17,799 Speaker 1: the microphone. 37 00:02:19,000 --> 00:02:21,240 Speaker 2: Yeah you know, I mean I am definitely like just 38 00:02:21,280 --> 00:02:23,919 Speaker 2: I'm definitely lifting just metal weights right now while we're 39 00:02:23,919 --> 00:02:25,639 Speaker 2: talking about it, And it's like, so you're gonna have 40 00:02:25,639 --> 00:02:26,840 Speaker 2: to edit all those clangs out. 41 00:02:27,080 --> 00:02:34,440 Speaker 1: Absolutely, my glutes are so like iron, just like rock solid. 42 00:02:34,480 --> 00:02:38,760 Speaker 1: I keep rolling off the chair. But yeah, today we 43 00:02:38,760 --> 00:02:42,239 Speaker 1: aren't going to talk about how amazing both of our 44 00:02:43,000 --> 00:02:47,120 Speaker 1: glutes and hamstrings and various other leg things are, which, 45 00:02:47,160 --> 00:02:50,360 Speaker 1: believe me, they are. It's grotesque how muscular we are. 46 00:02:50,400 --> 00:02:51,560 Speaker 1: It's actually disgusting. 47 00:02:52,320 --> 00:02:55,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's no longer attractive or visually a pleaser. It's 48 00:02:55,360 --> 00:02:57,560 Speaker 2: like you'll look you'll look at us and run in horror. 49 00:02:57,720 --> 00:03:00,880 Speaker 1: It looks it looks like an akira situation is sort 50 00:03:00,919 --> 00:03:05,600 Speaker 1: of meat a meat tornado. It's not good. Uh, and 51 00:03:05,680 --> 00:03:09,360 Speaker 1: it hurts really bad. So uh, yes, but we are 52 00:03:09,400 --> 00:03:13,919 Speaker 1: talking about animals that have incredible legs and uh maybe 53 00:03:13,960 --> 00:03:17,360 Speaker 1: not necessarily in proportion with the rest of them. So, 54 00:03:17,560 --> 00:03:22,760 Speaker 1: for instance, our first little contestant in this leg contest 55 00:03:23,040 --> 00:03:29,200 Speaker 1: is the frog legged leaf beetle or Sagra buchetti. Yeah, 56 00:03:29,240 --> 00:03:32,440 Speaker 1: frog legged leaf beetle, which kind of sounds like an 57 00:03:32,440 --> 00:03:35,560 Speaker 1: insult to be honest, Like it's got that cadence of 58 00:03:35,640 --> 00:03:39,040 Speaker 1: like you're a frog legged leaf beetle. It sounds not nice. 59 00:03:39,120 --> 00:03:41,240 Speaker 1: It sounds like bullying. Yeah. 60 00:03:41,240 --> 00:03:43,080 Speaker 2: I feel like if somebody called me a frog leg 61 00:03:43,280 --> 00:03:46,960 Speaker 2: like leaf beetle, I would immediately be like, wait are 62 00:03:47,000 --> 00:03:49,120 Speaker 2: you talking? Is that because my legs are big or 63 00:03:49,120 --> 00:03:52,320 Speaker 2: because my legs are weird? Because one of those compliments 64 00:03:52,400 --> 00:03:53,560 Speaker 2: is not a compliment. 65 00:03:55,400 --> 00:03:58,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, it sounds like an obscure insult, but it is 66 00:03:58,800 --> 00:04:02,920 Speaker 1: in fact a bee with some of the hammiest, chunkiest legs. 67 00:04:03,080 --> 00:04:07,120 Speaker 1: He's on a real pair of tree stumps. The especially 68 00:04:07,160 --> 00:04:11,960 Speaker 1: the males, they have these big honk and hind legs. So, Joey, 69 00:04:12,080 --> 00:04:14,400 Speaker 1: I did share with you a photo of these. These 70 00:04:14,440 --> 00:04:18,240 Speaker 1: are the ones that look like a rainbow threw up 71 00:04:18,360 --> 00:04:22,720 Speaker 1: on a beetle and then gave it incredible, incredible legs. 72 00:04:23,800 --> 00:04:26,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like that beetle. It needs to be said. 73 00:04:27,120 --> 00:04:29,120 Speaker 2: It looks like I, he or she is wearing just 74 00:04:29,279 --> 00:04:33,680 Speaker 2: fantastic leggings. They really accentuate the you know, the glutes 75 00:04:33,760 --> 00:04:38,480 Speaker 2: and the other leg muscles. Glutes is the only one 76 00:04:38,480 --> 00:04:39,120 Speaker 2: that I could think. 77 00:04:39,000 --> 00:04:43,760 Speaker 1: Of out Yes, glutes and thighs. And you know, I 78 00:04:43,800 --> 00:04:47,359 Speaker 1: don't think the insects really have these kinds of things, 79 00:04:47,560 --> 00:04:53,520 Speaker 1: Like I believe the muscles of the human leg do 80 00:04:53,600 --> 00:04:56,320 Speaker 1: not exactly match up to the muscles of the beetle 81 00:04:56,400 --> 00:05:00,719 Speaker 1: leg But yes, they do have really chunky legs, and 82 00:05:00,800 --> 00:05:05,520 Speaker 1: they are iridescent. They are these beautiful shimmering colors of 83 00:05:05,680 --> 00:05:09,640 Speaker 1: like greens and magentas and blues and reds and yellows. 84 00:05:09,680 --> 00:05:12,680 Speaker 1: It's it's iridescent, so as they as they shift, like 85 00:05:12,720 --> 00:05:16,120 Speaker 1: as the light hits them, they will sort of have 86 00:05:16,200 --> 00:05:21,120 Speaker 1: this different color. So it's very very pretty. So the 87 00:05:21,160 --> 00:05:24,320 Speaker 1: males grow to be almost two inches long, so they're 88 00:05:24,320 --> 00:05:27,239 Speaker 1: not they're not tiny either, They're they're they're pretty chunky. 89 00:05:29,560 --> 00:05:32,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean these beetles they just like look fantastic, 90 00:05:33,240 --> 00:05:35,440 Speaker 2: Like you mentioned, like the coloring on them is so cool. 91 00:05:36,160 --> 00:05:39,120 Speaker 2: They really look like I could see them at home 92 00:05:39,160 --> 00:05:41,919 Speaker 2: in like an eighties workout video. Like it feels like 93 00:05:41,960 --> 00:05:44,680 Speaker 2: it's like that type of like leotard and like legging 94 00:05:44,760 --> 00:05:48,039 Speaker 2: set up. So I gotta say that Beadle looks like 95 00:05:48,080 --> 00:05:50,279 Speaker 2: they're just like living their truth. And I'm so happy 96 00:05:50,320 --> 00:05:50,719 Speaker 2: for them. 97 00:05:50,880 --> 00:05:56,039 Speaker 1: It's giving Jane Fonda, it's giving Richard Simmons, uh for sure, 98 00:05:56,440 --> 00:06:01,200 Speaker 1: just iridescent eighties body suit. And yeah, you would think 99 00:06:01,240 --> 00:06:03,800 Speaker 1: that they would use these legs for a bunch of 100 00:06:03,880 --> 00:06:08,880 Speaker 1: like cool acrobatic jumps and stuff, but they're actually not 101 00:06:09,080 --> 00:06:12,800 Speaker 1: used for jumping. They seem to be used for gripping 102 00:06:12,839 --> 00:06:16,760 Speaker 1: onto vines as they climb trees in their native Jungles 103 00:06:16,800 --> 00:06:23,000 Speaker 1: of southeast Asia, but it seems like overkill. And so 104 00:06:23,040 --> 00:06:26,560 Speaker 1: there's this mystery of why are their legs so big 105 00:06:26,640 --> 00:06:33,440 Speaker 1: and beefy, And one clue is sexual dimorphism. So sexual 106 00:06:33,480 --> 00:06:38,200 Speaker 1: dimorphism is a difference between the male and the female 107 00:06:38,240 --> 00:06:41,760 Speaker 1: of a species. Not all species like, are all that 108 00:06:41,880 --> 00:06:45,479 Speaker 1: sexually dimorphic, like, they can be very similar, but for 109 00:06:45,600 --> 00:06:48,640 Speaker 1: these like, the females are smaller and their hind legs 110 00:06:48,680 --> 00:06:52,080 Speaker 1: are much less exaggerated and how big they are versus 111 00:06:52,120 --> 00:06:57,560 Speaker 1: the males who have these huge, huge hammy legs. Biologists 112 00:06:57,600 --> 00:07:03,640 Speaker 1: speculate that these massive thighs are used in male male 113 00:07:03,760 --> 00:07:08,840 Speaker 1: competition for females, some kind of sexual selection going. 114 00:07:08,640 --> 00:07:12,440 Speaker 2: On here, so they basically just like leg wrestle with 115 00:07:12,480 --> 00:07:13,320 Speaker 2: other males. 116 00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:17,679 Speaker 1: I mean, that is the theory. What's interesting is that 117 00:07:18,120 --> 00:07:21,640 Speaker 1: none of these wrestling matches have actually ever been observed 118 00:07:22,080 --> 00:07:27,080 Speaker 1: directly by modern researchers. So there is quite possibly this 119 00:07:27,320 --> 00:07:32,640 Speaker 1: rainbow iridescent fight club that's really secret of beetles with 120 00:07:32,760 --> 00:07:37,280 Speaker 1: like the juiciest thighs ever, just going completely ham on 121 00:07:37,360 --> 00:07:37,800 Speaker 1: each other. 122 00:07:39,520 --> 00:07:41,920 Speaker 2: Why is that not like a UFC style pay per 123 00:07:42,000 --> 00:07:42,640 Speaker 2: view situation? 124 00:07:43,400 --> 00:07:46,840 Speaker 1: I would, I mean, it's just so sad to me 125 00:07:46,960 --> 00:07:50,800 Speaker 1: that this has not been caught on camera. I feel 126 00:07:50,840 --> 00:07:54,440 Speaker 1: like we need to fund this research until we do 127 00:07:54,720 --> 00:08:00,440 Speaker 1: have a video of these iridescent beetles doing. I wish 128 00:08:00,520 --> 00:08:03,720 Speaker 1: I knew wrestling terms. I'm going to say a screwdriver 129 00:08:03,920 --> 00:08:10,680 Speaker 1: is one of them, A half nelson, a rotating windmill. 130 00:08:12,360 --> 00:08:15,120 Speaker 1: Gary Busey, I don't know, man, I don't know what 131 00:08:15,200 --> 00:08:15,840 Speaker 1: wrestling is. 132 00:08:16,800 --> 00:08:21,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, actually, okay, So the reason that I got a 133 00:08:21,040 --> 00:08:22,440 Speaker 2: personal trainer at the beginning of the year is that 134 00:08:22,480 --> 00:08:24,920 Speaker 2: I actually wrestled in my first and only pro wrestling 135 00:08:24,960 --> 00:08:29,240 Speaker 2: match in March. Really yeah, yeah, And now that I 136 00:08:29,320 --> 00:08:33,240 Speaker 2: think about it, I feel like this beatles shell looks 137 00:08:33,320 --> 00:08:37,480 Speaker 2: a lot like my wrestling team. That was honestly the 138 00:08:37,520 --> 00:08:40,360 Speaker 2: part I like, you know, we worked with actual wrestlers 139 00:08:40,360 --> 00:08:41,679 Speaker 2: and train had to wrestler with me and a couple 140 00:08:41,720 --> 00:08:43,520 Speaker 2: of my friends. We wrestled like a tag team match. 141 00:08:44,160 --> 00:08:46,920 Speaker 2: But like what we probably spent the most time on 142 00:08:47,240 --> 00:08:49,400 Speaker 2: is like getting our gear made. Like we went to 143 00:08:49,440 --> 00:08:53,160 Speaker 2: the to the fabric district in downtown Los Angeles like 144 00:08:53,200 --> 00:08:55,400 Speaker 2: as a group and like picked out a wrestling type 145 00:08:55,400 --> 00:08:57,440 Speaker 2: fabric and then we sent it to like one of 146 00:08:57,480 --> 00:08:59,559 Speaker 2: my friend's moms, Like sew them for us, and we 147 00:08:59,600 --> 00:09:01,640 Speaker 2: sent picks so that we could be like, we want 148 00:09:01,679 --> 00:09:06,120 Speaker 2: to look like this wrestler truly the most fun. That 149 00:09:06,200 --> 00:09:09,080 Speaker 2: is fantastic the day now that you mention it. These 150 00:09:09,080 --> 00:09:12,360 Speaker 2: definitely are giving Like nineteen eighties pro wrestler. I could 151 00:09:12,400 --> 00:09:14,920 Speaker 2: see both of these beetles, you know, cutting a really 152 00:09:14,920 --> 00:09:17,120 Speaker 2: sick promo about how they're going to beat their opponent 153 00:09:18,040 --> 00:09:20,160 Speaker 2: and then getting in the ring with you know, sick 154 00:09:20,360 --> 00:09:23,280 Speaker 2: entrance music and then having just like just the best 155 00:09:23,360 --> 00:09:25,360 Speaker 2: leg wrestling match you've ever seen in your life, you know, 156 00:09:25,440 --> 00:09:30,520 Speaker 2: throwing some sharpshooters, throwing some scorpion deathlocks, it's all, Look, 157 00:09:30,600 --> 00:09:33,200 Speaker 2: this is all stuff I love. So I'm excited about. 158 00:09:33,000 --> 00:09:39,520 Speaker 1: Those so hus As a professional wrestler, how much is 159 00:09:39,640 --> 00:09:42,880 Speaker 1: legs involved in wrestling? Like, how much of it is legs? 160 00:09:42,920 --> 00:09:44,040 Speaker 1: How much of it is arms? 161 00:09:45,800 --> 00:09:49,720 Speaker 2: I would say it's all. It's all, it's all legs 162 00:09:49,720 --> 00:09:52,680 Speaker 2: every move. I mean, actually, honestly, that's not inaccurate because 163 00:09:52,679 --> 00:09:56,200 Speaker 2: it's like every move you're basically like acting as kind 164 00:09:56,240 --> 00:09:59,120 Speaker 2: of like the base for your opponent, like wrestling is, 165 00:09:59,200 --> 00:10:02,000 Speaker 2: you know, like professional wrestling is you know, predetermined. These 166 00:10:02,000 --> 00:10:04,480 Speaker 2: wrestlings actually trying to kill each other. I know, no, 167 00:10:05,080 --> 00:10:08,240 Speaker 2: I spoiled it. These wrestlers aren't actually trying to kill 168 00:10:08,280 --> 00:10:11,240 Speaker 2: each other. So because of that, it's like oftentimes they 169 00:10:11,240 --> 00:10:14,200 Speaker 2: work together to do the moves. So it's like to 170 00:10:14,320 --> 00:10:17,160 Speaker 2: do a you know, like a body slam. It's like 171 00:10:17,200 --> 00:10:18,800 Speaker 2: part of it is the person who's lifting the other 172 00:10:18,840 --> 00:10:20,280 Speaker 2: person out, but part of it is the person being 173 00:10:20,320 --> 00:10:23,240 Speaker 2: lifted acting is like a base. So they'll like use 174 00:10:23,280 --> 00:10:25,040 Speaker 2: their hand to like prop themselves up to us so 175 00:10:25,080 --> 00:10:28,160 Speaker 2: they can like basically be lifted in the air in 176 00:10:28,200 --> 00:10:29,839 Speaker 2: such a ways to not throw off the balance of 177 00:10:29,880 --> 00:10:32,600 Speaker 2: the person lifting them. So yeah, I would say that, like, 178 00:10:32,679 --> 00:10:34,840 Speaker 2: legs are a pretty important part of wrestling now that 179 00:10:34,880 --> 00:10:35,640 Speaker 2: I think about it. 180 00:10:35,880 --> 00:10:40,600 Speaker 1: So those these Beetles have it figured all out. Yeah, yeah, 181 00:10:40,720 --> 00:10:43,640 Speaker 1: any any chance you could change your team name to 182 00:10:43,679 --> 00:10:45,079 Speaker 1: the frog leg Leaf Beetles. 183 00:10:45,240 --> 00:10:47,640 Speaker 2: I mean, look, we're still so far we have not 184 00:10:47,760 --> 00:10:49,880 Speaker 2: won a single match, so I don't think people would 185 00:10:49,920 --> 00:10:51,319 Speaker 2: be sad if we changed our team. 186 00:10:52,160 --> 00:10:53,560 Speaker 1: What is your team name right now? 187 00:10:54,559 --> 00:10:58,079 Speaker 2: Okay, so our team name is the Hat Boys, and 188 00:10:58,200 --> 00:11:03,440 Speaker 2: we're basically three guys who entirely have hat based offense. 189 00:11:03,679 --> 00:11:05,880 Speaker 2: So we'll like put on a sleeping cap and then 190 00:11:05,880 --> 00:11:07,840 Speaker 2: put it on our opponent and the'll fall asleep. Or 191 00:11:07,880 --> 00:11:09,959 Speaker 2: we'll like jump on the top rope with a propeller 192 00:11:10,000 --> 00:11:11,679 Speaker 2: hat on and then spin the propeller and then time 193 00:11:11,760 --> 00:11:14,360 Speaker 2: off the top rope. Yeah. Yeah, so it's uh, let's 194 00:11:14,400 --> 00:11:18,200 Speaker 2: just say we don't win a lot for ever. So 195 00:11:18,760 --> 00:11:20,560 Speaker 2: hat based offense not very offencive. 196 00:11:20,640 --> 00:11:23,160 Speaker 1: Hey, guys, heels or protagonists. 197 00:11:23,760 --> 00:11:27,360 Speaker 2: Okay, So honestly we were supposed to be heels like 198 00:11:27,440 --> 00:11:31,000 Speaker 2: bad guys in our in our match, but we did 199 00:11:31,040 --> 00:11:34,080 Speaker 2: this gimmick where we bought like I bought, like, you know, 200 00:11:34,200 --> 00:11:37,840 Speaker 2: several hundred, like you know, cheap baseball caps on Amazon. 201 00:11:38,280 --> 00:11:40,280 Speaker 2: So every audience member as they walked in, they got 202 00:11:40,280 --> 00:11:42,880 Speaker 2: a free hat from the hat boys. So like, once 203 00:11:42,920 --> 00:11:44,559 Speaker 2: our entrance music hit and we came out, we got 204 00:11:44,600 --> 00:11:46,720 Speaker 2: just the biggest baby face, good guy pop that you've 205 00:11:46,720 --> 00:11:47,720 Speaker 2: ever heard in your life. 206 00:11:47,840 --> 00:11:48,120 Speaker 1: Wow. 207 00:11:48,160 --> 00:11:49,720 Speaker 2: So we were like, oh, I guess we're good guys. 208 00:11:49,920 --> 00:11:52,240 Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean bribery works when you. 209 00:11:52,200 --> 00:11:55,760 Speaker 2: Have hat I did. Yah. Yeah, people people like hats. 210 00:11:55,840 --> 00:11:57,320 Speaker 2: That's that was my big takeaway. 211 00:11:58,160 --> 00:12:02,000 Speaker 1: So you might be wondering if we've never observed these 212 00:12:02,840 --> 00:12:08,400 Speaker 1: beetles actually leg wrestling, Like, why do researchers think that 213 00:12:08,480 --> 00:12:11,760 Speaker 1: it's may be the case. Well, we have actually observed 214 00:12:11,760 --> 00:12:16,520 Speaker 1: this in other species of beetles. So there are other 215 00:12:16,559 --> 00:12:20,640 Speaker 1: species of beetles that have oversized back legs, and they 216 00:12:20,760 --> 00:12:24,199 Speaker 1: do use these in leg battles, and they have been 217 00:12:24,240 --> 00:12:28,120 Speaker 1: observed to do this. So the leaf footed bugs are 218 00:12:28,160 --> 00:12:31,840 Speaker 1: a family of beetles where species will often have these 219 00:12:31,920 --> 00:12:36,520 Speaker 1: disproportionately large hind legs, which is like this very strange 220 00:12:36,520 --> 00:12:40,960 Speaker 1: feature on otherwise pretty average looking beetle. It's usually sort 221 00:12:40,960 --> 00:12:43,680 Speaker 1: of full brown or black, you know, just kind of 222 00:12:43,679 --> 00:12:46,400 Speaker 1: a normal looking beetle, but then it has these really 223 00:12:46,559 --> 00:12:50,360 Speaker 1: long and pretty like beefy and kind of thorny legs. 224 00:12:50,160 --> 00:12:54,200 Speaker 1: It's very like, very much the legs go all the 225 00:12:54,200 --> 00:12:58,839 Speaker 1: way up on these beetles. So I have sent you 226 00:12:59,040 --> 00:13:02,600 Speaker 1: a some an alarming photo of one of these beetles. 227 00:13:03,800 --> 00:13:06,440 Speaker 2: Okay, so I'm really quick on the frog like leaf beetle. 228 00:13:06,840 --> 00:13:08,960 Speaker 2: I think it would be Is it ever happened in 229 00:13:09,040 --> 00:13:13,200 Speaker 2: science where scientists have not observed something but they've just 230 00:13:13,320 --> 00:13:16,160 Speaker 2: like written it down as a scientific discovery because they're 231 00:13:16,200 --> 00:13:17,839 Speaker 2: like it would be cool if they did that. 232 00:13:18,960 --> 00:13:22,760 Speaker 1: I mean, they're not supposed to. They're not really supposed 233 00:13:22,800 --> 00:13:25,080 Speaker 1: to do that. Have they done it? I can't say, 234 00:13:25,120 --> 00:13:28,760 Speaker 1: but they're not. I mean certainly old timey scientists did 235 00:13:28,880 --> 00:13:32,240 Speaker 1: do stuff like that, for sure, but modern I think 236 00:13:32,280 --> 00:13:34,960 Speaker 1: that there's there's more of a system to call you 237 00:13:35,040 --> 00:13:37,920 Speaker 1: on your bs if you just say, yeah, I think 238 00:13:37,960 --> 00:13:38,559 Speaker 1: it did this. 239 00:13:39,960 --> 00:13:43,480 Speaker 2: Yeah. So the leaf footed beetle, Yeah, I gotta say 240 00:13:43,480 --> 00:13:45,840 Speaker 2: this thing. If I ran into this thing in an alley, 241 00:13:45,840 --> 00:13:49,319 Speaker 2: I'd be pretty terrified. It's got like just very very big, 242 00:13:49,400 --> 00:13:51,959 Speaker 2: long hind legs that are like significantly beefier than it's 243 00:13:51,960 --> 00:13:54,280 Speaker 2: other legs. Yeah, it's got this kind of fun orange 244 00:13:54,320 --> 00:13:55,520 Speaker 2: and black Halloween motif. 245 00:13:55,720 --> 00:14:00,320 Speaker 1: Yeah. So the species Leptoglosses estrallas also know and as 246 00:14:00,360 --> 00:14:05,280 Speaker 1: passion find bugs, have been observed engaging in leg wrestling. 247 00:14:05,520 --> 00:14:09,800 Speaker 1: So males will drag each other with their legs or 248 00:14:09,880 --> 00:14:14,360 Speaker 1: beat each other with their legs when competing for females, 249 00:14:14,760 --> 00:14:20,160 Speaker 1: sometimes escalating into what scientific American journalist Becky Crue calls 250 00:14:20,240 --> 00:14:24,640 Speaker 1: a quote thumb wars situation with the male's hind legs 251 00:14:24,640 --> 00:14:27,320 Speaker 1: and abdomen where they're just sort of trying to wrap 252 00:14:27,400 --> 00:14:30,840 Speaker 1: their legs around each other and you know, you know 253 00:14:30,920 --> 00:14:32,840 Speaker 1: you've done a thumb wars where you're trying to sort 254 00:14:32,880 --> 00:14:35,760 Speaker 1: of like jockey position with your thumb over the other thumb, 255 00:14:35,800 --> 00:14:38,160 Speaker 1: but in this case it's beetle legs. 256 00:14:39,520 --> 00:14:41,880 Speaker 2: Okay, So my question is when they do that, do 257 00:14:41,960 --> 00:14:43,800 Speaker 2: they do it to the death or do they just 258 00:14:43,840 --> 00:14:45,760 Speaker 2: do it until one of them gets bored and it's 259 00:14:45,840 --> 00:14:48,240 Speaker 2: like you win? Or is there a little beetle referee 260 00:14:48,280 --> 00:14:49,880 Speaker 2: with a little shirt. 261 00:14:50,880 --> 00:14:55,160 Speaker 1: So they will do it to the knocking one of 262 00:14:55,200 --> 00:15:00,200 Speaker 1: the beetles off of that area, discouraging, scaring of off 263 00:15:00,280 --> 00:15:02,560 Speaker 1: one of the beatles. Sometimes they will do it to 264 00:15:02,720 --> 00:15:07,720 Speaker 1: the injury of oops, I rip your leg off. So yeah, 265 00:15:07,720 --> 00:15:12,960 Speaker 1: it can get quite serious. There's another species that is 266 00:15:13,080 --> 00:15:17,400 Speaker 1: particularly agro when it comes to these leg wrestling, the 267 00:15:17,680 --> 00:15:22,640 Speaker 1: giant leaf food footed bugs also use their hefty legs 268 00:15:22,680 --> 00:15:26,440 Speaker 1: to fight each other, including females who will sort of 269 00:15:26,520 --> 00:15:30,240 Speaker 1: wave each other's legs. They'll wave their legs at other 270 00:15:30,360 --> 00:15:34,160 Speaker 1: females as a warning if they are competing for food. 271 00:15:34,480 --> 00:15:37,560 Speaker 1: If the other female is not dissuaded, they start fighting 272 00:15:37,600 --> 00:15:40,880 Speaker 1: butt to butt with their legs, kind of like a 273 00:15:40,880 --> 00:15:44,080 Speaker 1: butt to butt leg slap fight. Males of this species 274 00:15:44,160 --> 00:15:49,160 Speaker 1: also engage in leg battles to compete for mating opportunities, 275 00:15:49,480 --> 00:15:52,560 Speaker 1: with the goal being wrapping their legs around their opponents 276 00:15:52,600 --> 00:15:55,480 Speaker 1: and squeezing. Is there a wrestling move? What's that called 277 00:15:55,520 --> 00:15:56,080 Speaker 1: in wrestling? 278 00:15:57,160 --> 00:16:00,160 Speaker 2: So it's probably like a figure four leg lock. But 279 00:16:00,160 --> 00:16:03,760 Speaker 2: what I love about the giant leaf footed bug is that, 280 00:16:03,840 --> 00:16:06,280 Speaker 2: like you mentioned, the previous two bugs, pretty much like 281 00:16:06,280 --> 00:16:08,880 Speaker 2: their legs are primarily used for you know, like mating 282 00:16:08,880 --> 00:16:11,400 Speaker 2: and defending and mating, Whereas it feels like the giant 283 00:16:11,480 --> 00:16:13,840 Speaker 2: leaf footed bug like on some level it just likes 284 00:16:13,880 --> 00:16:15,400 Speaker 2: to fight pretty much. 285 00:16:15,440 --> 00:16:18,680 Speaker 1: It seems they're very pugnacious. I mean it has something 286 00:16:18,720 --> 00:16:20,720 Speaker 1: to do with mating, right, because the males do fight 287 00:16:20,760 --> 00:16:22,960 Speaker 1: each other, but the females also use them to fight 288 00:16:23,000 --> 00:16:26,600 Speaker 1: each other. So it's just they like, they like a 289 00:16:26,640 --> 00:16:29,480 Speaker 1: good a good wrestle, They like a good tussle. 290 00:16:30,480 --> 00:16:32,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's good. Maybe they should they should have 291 00:16:32,600 --> 00:16:35,000 Speaker 2: less creatine powder. I think that's I'm angry. 292 00:16:36,040 --> 00:16:38,880 Speaker 1: I mean, they are so they are so agro that 293 00:16:39,160 --> 00:16:43,040 Speaker 1: sometimes the battles, particularly with the male to male, like 294 00:16:43,080 --> 00:16:47,160 Speaker 1: they become so fierce they forget their primary goal of 295 00:16:47,240 --> 00:16:50,600 Speaker 1: mating with females and they just keep fighting at the 296 00:16:50,600 --> 00:16:54,760 Speaker 1: cost of mini mating opportunities. Uh, and like ripping each 297 00:16:54,760 --> 00:16:57,600 Speaker 1: other's legs off, and then they actually don't end up mating. 298 00:16:57,640 --> 00:17:00,640 Speaker 1: It's just that they rode down too hard. 299 00:17:01,840 --> 00:17:03,320 Speaker 2: Well, I mean now that, now that I'm looking a 300 00:17:03,360 --> 00:17:05,560 Speaker 2: little bit closer, it does look like they're wearing tiny 301 00:17:05,640 --> 00:17:09,120 Speaker 2: and hardy T shirts and tap out pants. Yeah so yeah, 302 00:17:09,160 --> 00:17:11,479 Speaker 2: so yeah, it doesn't make sense. This all tracks. 303 00:17:11,720 --> 00:17:15,520 Speaker 1: You see this beetle take its flannel off, and you know, uh, 304 00:17:16,160 --> 00:17:17,440 Speaker 1: nothing good is going to happen. 305 00:17:18,400 --> 00:17:20,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, he was listening to some Joe Rogan before this 306 00:17:21,080 --> 00:17:22,159 Speaker 2: just real fired up. 307 00:17:24,200 --> 00:17:26,600 Speaker 1: Well, we're going to take a quick break and when 308 00:17:26,680 --> 00:17:30,200 Speaker 1: we get back, we're going to talk about another set 309 00:17:30,400 --> 00:17:37,040 Speaker 1: of gargantuan gambs in the animal kingdom. All right, so 310 00:17:37,119 --> 00:17:41,080 Speaker 1: we are back. And when you think of a bird 311 00:17:41,119 --> 00:17:44,400 Speaker 1: who can walk the runway, uh, do you have anything 312 00:17:44,400 --> 00:17:45,280 Speaker 1: that comes to mind? 313 00:17:47,160 --> 00:17:49,399 Speaker 2: A bird that can rock they can walk the runway. 314 00:17:49,600 --> 00:17:54,919 Speaker 2: I'm gonna say I'm thinking peacocks. Peacocks definitely, like you know, 315 00:17:55,000 --> 00:17:59,679 Speaker 2: have really great feathers and look very fashionable. I'm gonna say, uh, 316 00:18:00,080 --> 00:18:03,720 Speaker 2: let's see, like flamingos. I feel like flamingos have legs 317 00:18:03,720 --> 00:18:06,800 Speaker 2: for days. You know, I think that there are a 318 00:18:06,800 --> 00:18:08,720 Speaker 2: lot of like long legged birds that I could think 319 00:18:08,760 --> 00:18:11,439 Speaker 2: of that. You know, if I saw them on the runway, 320 00:18:11,520 --> 00:18:13,920 Speaker 2: my immediate thought would be, yeah, this work. 321 00:18:15,720 --> 00:18:19,600 Speaker 1: Well. Have you ever seen a secretary bird? 322 00:18:21,680 --> 00:18:23,760 Speaker 2: I don't think I ever have seen a secretary bird. 323 00:18:24,240 --> 00:18:29,320 Speaker 1: They are incredible birds that look like they are just 324 00:18:29,520 --> 00:18:34,080 Speaker 1: built for fashion week. They have the most runway ready legs, 325 00:18:35,240 --> 00:18:40,920 Speaker 1: They have these long eyelashes, they have orange eyeshadow. They're 326 00:18:40,920 --> 00:18:46,040 Speaker 1: this lovely white gray and black color, and they have long, 327 00:18:46,280 --> 00:18:51,360 Speaker 1: long legs, legs for days, and their black feathers kind 328 00:18:51,359 --> 00:18:53,560 Speaker 1: of like they go down their thighs a little bit, 329 00:18:53,600 --> 00:18:57,199 Speaker 1: so they look like they're wearing short yoga pants, and 330 00:18:57,920 --> 00:19:03,560 Speaker 1: they absolutely do quite literally as well, because these are 331 00:19:03,680 --> 00:19:08,720 Speaker 1: actually raptors. These are birds of prey and they are 332 00:19:08,760 --> 00:19:12,160 Speaker 1: related to other raptors such as hawks and eagles. 333 00:19:13,359 --> 00:19:15,639 Speaker 2: So I'm looking at a picture of the secretary bird. 334 00:19:16,480 --> 00:19:20,520 Speaker 2: I really love the the the orange eyeshadow situation. It 335 00:19:20,600 --> 00:19:22,240 Speaker 2: kind of looks like the birds are wearing just like 336 00:19:22,280 --> 00:19:24,960 Speaker 2: a tiny little mask, so that like it's trying to 337 00:19:25,000 --> 00:19:27,400 Speaker 2: be incognito. It doesn't want anybody to know. It's true. 338 00:19:27,880 --> 00:19:28,640 Speaker 1: Masquerade. 339 00:19:29,600 --> 00:19:34,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, masquerade. The yoga pants, very good luck. The feathers, 340 00:19:34,400 --> 00:19:37,280 Speaker 2: all of us, you know, all of this is is 341 00:19:37,359 --> 00:19:38,119 Speaker 2: just marvelous. 342 00:19:38,280 --> 00:19:42,000 Speaker 1: It's also got a fancy crest of feathers that can 343 00:19:42,040 --> 00:19:46,199 Speaker 1: pop up. It is probably both in terms of mating 344 00:19:46,280 --> 00:19:49,440 Speaker 1: to make them attractive, but also to help shield their eyes. 345 00:19:49,800 --> 00:19:51,520 Speaker 1: It's like a very sexy visor. 346 00:19:52,920 --> 00:19:58,840 Speaker 2: Yeah. Those those eyelashes are nuts. Like they like fake eyelashes. 347 00:19:59,040 --> 00:20:03,040 Speaker 1: They totally win the eyelash game. I could never not, like, 348 00:20:03,240 --> 00:20:05,320 Speaker 1: I would need I don't know, some kind of like 349 00:20:05,400 --> 00:20:09,920 Speaker 1: eyelash surgery to get to the level of eyelash that 350 00:20:10,080 --> 00:20:15,439 Speaker 1: these magnificent birds have. Yeah, so they are. They are 351 00:20:15,560 --> 00:20:19,000 Speaker 1: quite I mean they are called secretary bird. Its kind 352 00:20:19,000 --> 00:20:21,239 Speaker 1: of a sexist name in a way because it's just like, 353 00:20:21,480 --> 00:20:25,479 Speaker 1: oh yeah, they're like they're like, you're hot, secretary. They 354 00:20:25,520 --> 00:20:26,760 Speaker 1: have the long eyelashes. 355 00:20:27,000 --> 00:20:29,639 Speaker 2: I feel like that's that's something that's so I guess 356 00:20:29,680 --> 00:20:32,760 Speaker 2: like funny and sad about the world. Is like you 357 00:20:32,800 --> 00:20:35,600 Speaker 2: look at something and you think, like you know, like 358 00:20:35,640 --> 00:20:37,720 Speaker 2: the name of an animal or something like that, and 359 00:20:37,720 --> 00:20:39,600 Speaker 2: you think, oh, it's kind of cute, and then you're like, oh, 360 00:20:39,600 --> 00:20:41,640 Speaker 2: that's deeply rooted in misogyny, got it. 361 00:20:42,000 --> 00:20:48,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, so they have these really long legs. Specifically, they 362 00:20:48,280 --> 00:20:52,840 Speaker 1: have a long tarsus. So the tarsus like on this 363 00:20:52,920 --> 00:20:57,280 Speaker 1: bird is similar to our shin bones in function, but 364 00:20:57,480 --> 00:21:01,600 Speaker 1: it's actually a different part of the leg entirely. The 365 00:21:01,680 --> 00:21:04,840 Speaker 1: birds like it looks like they have backwards knees, but 366 00:21:04,880 --> 00:21:08,880 Speaker 1: that's actually the bird's ankles and their real knees are 367 00:21:09,000 --> 00:21:15,800 Speaker 1: further up. And so like that long section that tarsus actually, 368 00:21:15,800 --> 00:21:17,919 Speaker 1: like if it was on a human, it would be 369 00:21:17,960 --> 00:21:21,040 Speaker 1: a really long ankle bone, but for the bird, it 370 00:21:21,040 --> 00:21:23,480 Speaker 1: has the same function as like our shin bone. 371 00:21:24,160 --> 00:21:27,399 Speaker 2: Okay, so well that's really interesting. So tell me about 372 00:21:27,440 --> 00:21:29,000 Speaker 2: in this picture that you shared me with me of 373 00:21:29,000 --> 00:21:32,359 Speaker 2: the secretary bird. It's just absolutely wrecking a snake. Yeah, 374 00:21:32,400 --> 00:21:35,880 Speaker 2: so so please tell me more about its combat capabilities. 375 00:21:36,000 --> 00:21:39,879 Speaker 1: Yes, so it is. These long legs are not just 376 00:21:40,119 --> 00:21:47,040 Speaker 1: to impress. These are battle legs. So in the grasslands 377 00:21:47,119 --> 00:21:51,960 Speaker 1: of sub Saharan Africa, where these birds live, they will 378 00:21:52,680 --> 00:21:58,280 Speaker 1: walk the planes and go hunting. And they are actually 379 00:21:58,520 --> 00:22:02,920 Speaker 1: the tallest wrapped in the world. They are over four 380 00:22:02,960 --> 00:22:07,320 Speaker 1: feet tall, which is well over Yeah. No, they're they're 381 00:22:07,480 --> 00:22:11,399 Speaker 1: they're quite tall. They're impressive. They actually have to bend 382 00:22:11,440 --> 00:22:14,400 Speaker 1: their legs and stoop to drink water like it's it's 383 00:22:14,440 --> 00:22:18,359 Speaker 1: a it's a. They have a lot of tall privilege. 384 00:22:19,080 --> 00:22:21,360 Speaker 1: They can fly, but they do spend most of their 385 00:22:21,400 --> 00:22:26,520 Speaker 1: time walking the grasslands stalking their prey on these gorgeous legs. 386 00:22:26,560 --> 00:22:33,160 Speaker 1: So once they have cornered something, uh, they will stomp 387 00:22:33,440 --> 00:22:37,879 Speaker 1: the dickens out of it. They can kick it so hard, 388 00:22:38,240 --> 00:22:40,160 Speaker 1: they can kick it with a force that is five 389 00:22:40,320 --> 00:22:44,520 Speaker 1: times their body weight, with this like surgical strike, just 390 00:22:44,560 --> 00:22:48,960 Speaker 1: a bunch of power aimed at this poor little animal. 391 00:22:49,280 --> 00:22:54,440 Speaker 1: They will go after lizards, snakes, small mammals. Uh. They 392 00:22:54,560 --> 00:22:58,960 Speaker 1: will even sometimes kill the young offspring of gazelle's or 393 00:22:59,200 --> 00:23:05,480 Speaker 1: cheetah cubs. So usually though, they go after small mammals, lizards, 394 00:23:05,480 --> 00:23:06,080 Speaker 1: and snakes. 395 00:23:07,720 --> 00:23:11,119 Speaker 2: So question, do you think that the reason that it 396 00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:14,800 Speaker 2: doesn't fly everywhere is partly because like it, it knows 397 00:23:14,840 --> 00:23:17,480 Speaker 2: how good its legs are. So it's just showing off. 398 00:23:19,600 --> 00:23:21,880 Speaker 1: I mean, if you got it, flawn it, I mean 399 00:23:21,960 --> 00:23:26,400 Speaker 1: really really it is because of this hunting strategy, because 400 00:23:27,080 --> 00:23:30,719 Speaker 1: they are walking and stalking and then they see something 401 00:23:30,800 --> 00:23:33,720 Speaker 1: move and then they just stomp on it until they've 402 00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:36,240 Speaker 1: got themselves like a lizard pancake to eat. 403 00:23:37,080 --> 00:23:39,000 Speaker 2: I feel like it's it's the sort of thing where 404 00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:41,320 Speaker 2: it's like, if you have big biceps, why would you 405 00:23:41,359 --> 00:23:44,800 Speaker 2: wear sleeves? Like I think it's worth those situations. 406 00:23:44,680 --> 00:23:47,800 Speaker 1: Right, Like if you've got big butt, why would you 407 00:23:47,800 --> 00:23:48,440 Speaker 1: wear pants? 408 00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:51,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, totally. Yeah. 409 00:23:51,800 --> 00:23:54,200 Speaker 1: I've tried to argue this in front of a judge 410 00:23:54,200 --> 00:23:54,919 Speaker 1: many times. 411 00:23:55,800 --> 00:23:59,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, and the judge, you know, the judge almost bends. 412 00:24:02,280 --> 00:24:07,520 Speaker 1: Yeah. But yeah, So for these birds, these thick thighs 413 00:24:07,640 --> 00:24:11,920 Speaker 1: do end lives. They're interesting because you know, earlier we 414 00:24:11,920 --> 00:24:17,000 Speaker 1: were talking about sexual dimorphism with the frog legged leaf beetle. 415 00:24:17,440 --> 00:24:21,080 Speaker 1: With these ones, they actually are quite similar to each other, 416 00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:25,720 Speaker 1: and they both try to impress one another during mating rituals, 417 00:24:25,720 --> 00:24:28,320 Speaker 1: so they'll fly around and they do like mating displays 418 00:24:28,359 --> 00:24:30,320 Speaker 1: on the ground where they kind of chase each other. 419 00:24:31,560 --> 00:24:34,520 Speaker 1: So it's and then like once they are a couple, 420 00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:37,760 Speaker 1: they're monogamous, so they will roost together, and even though 421 00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:40,480 Speaker 1: they don't hunt like really close to one another, they 422 00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:44,000 Speaker 1: tend to hunt sort of like within eyesight of each other. 423 00:24:44,080 --> 00:24:48,480 Speaker 1: So they're a real power couple just stomping around killing 424 00:24:48,600 --> 00:24:50,119 Speaker 1: things with their awesome legs. 425 00:24:51,119 --> 00:24:56,120 Speaker 2: Ah relationship goals, so. 426 00:24:57,800 --> 00:25:02,200 Speaker 1: Kind of in a scary twist. There's some speculation that 427 00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:07,880 Speaker 1: terror birds, which is an extinct family of huge birds 428 00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:11,399 Speaker 1: that had some species that grew to be over three 429 00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:16,680 Speaker 1: meters tall that's about ten feet tall, may have used 430 00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:21,120 Speaker 1: a similar hunting strategy. Now, to be clear, these terror 431 00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:27,640 Speaker 1: birds are not related to modern day secretary birds. They 432 00:25:27,640 --> 00:25:31,639 Speaker 1: were found in South and North America. They went extinct 433 00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:35,920 Speaker 1: around one point eight million years ago. But based on 434 00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:41,359 Speaker 1: their anatomy of their large legs, these long tarsus, they're 435 00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:45,560 Speaker 1: very similar anatomically to the secretary bird in terms of 436 00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:48,719 Speaker 1: their leg size in proportions, and so it may be 437 00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:52,320 Speaker 1: a clue as to how terror birds hunted. And the 438 00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:55,840 Speaker 1: speculation is that they stomped their prey to death. So 439 00:25:55,880 --> 00:25:59,879 Speaker 1: if you can imagine this ten foot tall bird that 440 00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:04,800 Speaker 1: just you know, thunders down around the planes and then 441 00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:07,080 Speaker 1: if it catches up to you, it just kicks you 442 00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:10,200 Speaker 1: until you are a smoothie. 443 00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:13,960 Speaker 2: So I just love the insinuation that the reason that 444 00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:16,879 Speaker 2: they're called terror birds is that an archaeologist, when they 445 00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:19,400 Speaker 2: were dusting up the bird's bones, they saw how big 446 00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:20,520 Speaker 2: it is and went. 447 00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:28,200 Speaker 1: I mean, that's pretty much it. They're like they're scary glasses, 448 00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:32,119 Speaker 1: got all fogged fogged up. Yeah yeah, Ty like spun 449 00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:33,080 Speaker 1: around and shock. 450 00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:36,119 Speaker 2: Yeah, he like ran and hid behind a desk or 451 00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:36,920 Speaker 2: something like that. 452 00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:39,840 Speaker 1: Oh, we're so mean to paleontologists. 453 00:26:42,840 --> 00:26:45,960 Speaker 2: Hey, if they if they wanted, if they look, if 454 00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:47,359 Speaker 2: they didn't want us to make fun of them. They 455 00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:49,600 Speaker 2: shouldn't have been scared by a bird skeleton. That's all 456 00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:50,159 Speaker 2: I'm saying. 457 00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:54,040 Speaker 1: Were you scared by a bird? A tim foot tall bird. 458 00:26:54,560 --> 00:26:55,959 Speaker 2: Not even a living bird? 459 00:26:56,320 --> 00:27:02,200 Speaker 1: Yeah? All right, we're going to take a quick break 460 00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:04,320 Speaker 1: and then when we come back, we're going to talk 461 00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:10,280 Speaker 1: about the Jesus lizard. All right, Joey, We're going to 462 00:27:10,359 --> 00:27:14,280 Speaker 1: talk about something called the Jesus lizard. Can you guess 463 00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:16,520 Speaker 1: why it's called a Jesus lizard? 464 00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:21,199 Speaker 2: It can turn water into wine and led to the 465 00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:25,040 Speaker 2: creation of let's just say a kind of problematic. 466 00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:32,119 Speaker 1: Yeah, man, I wish. So the Jesus lizard is called 467 00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:36,240 Speaker 1: this because they can walk on water. Really, they can 468 00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:40,320 Speaker 1: sprint on water. So if you imagine Jesus calmly walking 469 00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:47,199 Speaker 1: on water, it's more of a desperate sprint situation. The 470 00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:51,240 Speaker 1: key is speed here, So this is also known as 471 00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:56,919 Speaker 1: the water walking basilisk. It's found in Central and South America, 472 00:27:57,119 --> 00:27:59,840 Speaker 1: and it's pretty cool looking. There's a few species of it. 473 00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:03,520 Speaker 1: They've got all in common. They have sort of like 474 00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:07,000 Speaker 1: a sail that runs dorsally along its body in a crest. 475 00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:12,240 Speaker 1: They're either green or brown. They either have spots or 476 00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:15,439 Speaker 1: a light racing stripe down their sides, so they are 477 00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:18,160 Speaker 1: quite interesting looking just visually. 478 00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:21,640 Speaker 2: So what I love about Jesus lizards if you watch 479 00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:24,960 Speaker 2: a video of them running across water, they oftentimes have 480 00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:27,520 Speaker 2: this open mouth look on their face where it's like 481 00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:30,159 Speaker 2: you know that they know what they're doing is an 482 00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:34,040 Speaker 2: affront to God, and they're just like, oh no, oh, no, no, 483 00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:35,320 Speaker 2: I don't know how I'm doing this either. 484 00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:39,400 Speaker 1: They're running away from evangelists. 485 00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:44,160 Speaker 2: So I really want to see, Like, look, if anybody 486 00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:46,560 Speaker 2: wants to, like put some fan art together of Jesus 487 00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:49,040 Speaker 2: running on the water with the same level of just 488 00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:51,959 Speaker 2: like I would say, confusion and terror of Jesus lizard, 489 00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:53,360 Speaker 2: that would be very funny. 490 00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:57,040 Speaker 1: The same sort of stride with like big sandals that 491 00:28:57,160 --> 00:29:02,640 Speaker 1: slap on the water, had a bicycle like to and fro. Yeah, 492 00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:05,040 Speaker 1: very I would like to see this as well. 493 00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:08,280 Speaker 2: It's not a calm walk. This is a very panicked walk. 494 00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:13,720 Speaker 1: It is very much so. They they're not tiny. They 495 00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:16,000 Speaker 1: can reach up to be around two and a half 496 00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:22,080 Speaker 1: feet long, that's about seventy centimeters. So when they are running, 497 00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:25,160 Speaker 1: they run bi pedally and this sort of side to 498 00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:28,600 Speaker 1: side wobble that kind of looks like they're riding an 499 00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:32,120 Speaker 1: invisible bike, which I think is probably another miracle that 500 00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:36,680 Speaker 1: Jesus did riding an invisible bike. He's got your nose. 501 00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:43,840 Speaker 1: He can do it all, just various party tricks. So 502 00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:49,760 Speaker 1: they can run on water, and they can accomplish this 503 00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:55,400 Speaker 1: due to their large, fringed, long toed feet. So this 504 00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:59,000 Speaker 1: increase in surface area allows them to slap the water 505 00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:04,280 Speaker 1: and distri their weight with each stride, and that slapping 506 00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:06,840 Speaker 1: of the foot on the water creates a pocket of 507 00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:10,400 Speaker 1: air which actually keeps the lizard buoyant and keeps it 508 00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:14,920 Speaker 1: from sinking. And they kind of do this like back 509 00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:19,240 Speaker 1: and forth or aside to side movement which helps them 510 00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:23,120 Speaker 1: propel them forward, keeps their balance and as they push 511 00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:25,760 Speaker 1: their foot down it does actually break the surface tension 512 00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:28,200 Speaker 1: of the water and goes through the water. But because 513 00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:32,080 Speaker 1: they've got this air pocket. It pushes them forward and 514 00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:35,239 Speaker 1: then their foot re emerges, like if you're doing a 515 00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:37,880 Speaker 1: sort of stroke with your arms. It's their foot that 516 00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:40,080 Speaker 1: re emerges and then slaps the water again. 517 00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:43,960 Speaker 2: Oh, just like how Jesus did it. 518 00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:48,000 Speaker 1: Just like how Jesus did it, his legs kind of bicycled. 519 00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:50,600 Speaker 2: What I think is really interesting about that is that, 520 00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:53,640 Speaker 2: like I imagine, if that's how they walk on water, 521 00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:55,560 Speaker 2: they probably can't stand on water. 522 00:30:55,760 --> 00:30:56,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, they can't. 523 00:30:56,840 --> 00:30:58,440 Speaker 2: They need motion to do it. 524 00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:02,480 Speaker 1: Yeah. In fact, they can only run around sixty feet 525 00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:06,320 Speaker 1: or twenty meters before they get tired and they start 526 00:31:06,360 --> 00:31:07,600 Speaker 1: sinking into the water. 527 00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:10,880 Speaker 2: I mean, I feel like I feel like pre working 528 00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:12,800 Speaker 2: with a personal trainer, that was about how far I 529 00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:14,680 Speaker 2: could run just normally. 530 00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:18,000 Speaker 1: Just normally, just on ground. Again, and they can run 531 00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:21,040 Speaker 1: pretty fast. They can run around fifteen miles an hour 532 00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:24,000 Speaker 1: or twenty four kilometers per hour, which may not sound 533 00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:28,080 Speaker 1: super impressive, but for something that's only around two and 534 00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:31,720 Speaker 1: a half feet long, like that's quite fast. 535 00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:33,960 Speaker 2: The average human can run like twenty five to thirty 536 00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:36,280 Speaker 2: miles an hour, so it's like that's like, not, that's 537 00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:38,360 Speaker 2: not that much slower than people yeah. 538 00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:42,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's on water, so you know, it's like, yeah, totally, 539 00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:45,120 Speaker 1: let's not be too smug here. Yes we can run faster, 540 00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:49,440 Speaker 1: but we can't do it on water. But yeah, so 541 00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:51,920 Speaker 1: it has these very powerful leg muscles that allow it 542 00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:57,640 Speaker 1: to run sort of sprint really fast. That gives it 543 00:31:57,720 --> 00:32:01,680 Speaker 1: that slapping motion on the water, keeps it buoyant, and 544 00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:05,680 Speaker 1: it mostly uses the skill to evade predators because the 545 00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:09,040 Speaker 1: problem with swimming is swimming is slower. You're also more 546 00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:12,240 Speaker 1: at risk of getting chewed on by something in the water. 547 00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:16,200 Speaker 1: But if it's just running across the water, it's gained 548 00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:19,680 Speaker 1: so much distance from a predator who cannot swim that fast, 549 00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:22,640 Speaker 1: and it's a great escape strategy. 550 00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:26,080 Speaker 2: Also, if you swim, you get your clothes wet. You've 551 00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:27,960 Speaker 2: got to either throw them in the dryer or leaveing 552 00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:30,400 Speaker 2: the hang dry. So like, I feel like the Jesus 553 00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:34,280 Speaker 2: lizard really really has practicality in mind when they're running 554 00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:35,040 Speaker 2: across the water. 555 00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:37,239 Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, if you're a jaguar and you just 556 00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:41,000 Speaker 1: like got your hair done, like that's that's super annoying. 557 00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:41,960 Speaker 2: Yeah. 558 00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:48,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, so yeah, this is you know, their legs, their 559 00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:55,000 Speaker 1: thighs performed miracles of running across the water and somehow 560 00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:58,760 Speaker 1: we don't have a cult around this lizard that makes 561 00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:02,680 Speaker 1: people get mad at other people for being gay. It's weird. 562 00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:07,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like the Jesus lizard cult is probably 563 00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:10,200 Speaker 2: very tolerant and very accepting of people how they are. 564 00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:16,440 Speaker 1: Like we have. Uh, there are entire species of lizards 565 00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:20,720 Speaker 1: where they're all females, and so, you know, like I 566 00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:24,120 Speaker 1: think that there has to be some tolerance among lizards 567 00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:30,240 Speaker 1: of you know, breaking gender, heteronormative Uh, you know tradition. 568 00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:32,080 Speaker 2: That I say. 569 00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:39,360 Speaker 1: Hell yeah, Well before we go, Uh, we're gonna play 570 00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:41,400 Speaker 1: a little game. Do you'll play a little game? 571 00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:43,880 Speaker 2: Yeah? I'm excited about this. 572 00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:48,000 Speaker 1: This is the Mystery Animal Sound game. Yess who's squawking? 573 00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:52,520 Speaker 1: Every week I play mister Animal Sound, and you the listener, 574 00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:55,200 Speaker 1: and you the guest, try to guess who is making 575 00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:58,920 Speaker 1: that sound. It can be any animal in the world 576 00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:02,360 Speaker 1: or out of the world, probably still in the world. 577 00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:06,560 Speaker 1: But I'm not gonna make any promises. So, uh, last 578 00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:10,680 Speaker 1: week's Mystery Animals sound hint was this, You'd better not 579 00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:26,120 Speaker 1: step over the line with this grounded animal. All right, 580 00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:27,240 Speaker 1: you got any guesses? 581 00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:32,400 Speaker 2: Okay, So I'm going to I'm gonna this is this 582 00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:35,080 Speaker 2: is kind of a shot in the dark. Guess I'm 583 00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:37,600 Speaker 2: gonna say that that's some kind of a finch like. 584 00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:40,520 Speaker 2: I can't necessarily say what kind of finch, but it 585 00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:43,040 Speaker 2: seems like it's very chirpy. It's clearly like a very 586 00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:45,239 Speaker 2: small bird. So yeah, I'm gonna say it's some kind 587 00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:46,680 Speaker 2: it's like a goldfinch or something. 588 00:34:47,160 --> 00:34:51,200 Speaker 1: It does sound very finch like. Unfortunately, no, it is 589 00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:55,840 Speaker 1: not a finch. Congratulations to Anna A, who gives correctly 590 00:34:56,000 --> 00:35:01,640 Speaker 1: that this is the thirteen lined ground squirrel. Yeah, squirrel. 591 00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:06,200 Speaker 1: It is a ground squirrel. So yeah, it sounds so birdlike, 592 00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:09,880 Speaker 1: but it is a little rodent. It's commonly mistaken for 593 00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:13,920 Speaker 1: a chipmunk. Actually, they look sort of chipmunk like, and 594 00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:17,160 Speaker 1: they are related, but they're also related to prairie dogs. 595 00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:20,200 Speaker 2: So I think that after hearing this, and after hearing 596 00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:23,319 Speaker 2: how the squirrel sounds, I think that instead of a 597 00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:25,400 Speaker 2: three striped ground squirrel, I think we should call it 598 00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:27,160 Speaker 2: what it really is, which is a. 599 00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:36,280 Speaker 1: Liar, a lying squirrel. Yeah, so they really do sound birdlike. 600 00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:41,800 Speaker 1: So they are small. They weigh under three hundred grounds, 601 00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:45,319 Speaker 1: which is about nine and a half ounces, and they 602 00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:50,319 Speaker 1: are found in central North America. They hibernate throughout fall 603 00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:53,959 Speaker 1: and winter, and they eat seeds, grass, insects, and even 604 00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:57,399 Speaker 1: small mammals to put on weight before hibernation. So as 605 00:35:57,440 --> 00:36:00,120 Speaker 1: cute as they are, they're definitely. 606 00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:02,560 Speaker 2: Murdered just to make it so that every word of 607 00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:04,799 Speaker 2: its name is a lie. I think it would be 608 00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:07,560 Speaker 2: really funny if instead if it's called a ground squirrel, 609 00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:12,360 Speaker 2: but it can fly. 610 00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:16,360 Speaker 1: Sadly, No, the sound you just heard, this trill is 611 00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:20,080 Speaker 1: actually used by female ground squirrels to warn its family 612 00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:23,840 Speaker 1: to hide in case of danger. So other than small 613 00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:27,560 Speaker 1: family units, they are not very social, so their introverts, 614 00:36:27,680 --> 00:36:33,280 Speaker 1: their liars just kind of misanthropic or missquirrel thropic. 615 00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:36,440 Speaker 2: How dare they. 616 00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:41,880 Speaker 1: Onto this week's mystery Animals sound? The hint is this. 617 00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:44,920 Speaker 1: This is a very common bird. But you might not 618 00:36:45,080 --> 00:37:00,160 Speaker 1: recognize this sound unless you're close friends with one. 619 00:36:54,160 --> 00:37:14,360 Speaker 3: All right, can you guess he was making that sound? 620 00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:17,160 Speaker 2: You said that that was a bird. 621 00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:18,560 Speaker 1: It is a bird, yes. 622 00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:23,600 Speaker 2: So, and you said that it only reveals how it 623 00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:26,360 Speaker 2: sounds to its friends. So I'm gonna have two guesses. 624 00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:30,120 Speaker 2: One is it sounds like it's a bird being devoured 625 00:37:30,160 --> 00:37:34,920 Speaker 2: by a cat. And two I'm gonna say that it's 626 00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:39,120 Speaker 2: a secret bird. That's its name, Okay to keep how 627 00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:39,640 Speaker 2: it sounds a. 628 00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:44,560 Speaker 1: Secret a secret bird or a seed crit bird bird 629 00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:48,520 Speaker 1: who likes seeds to be secret. Well, you will find 630 00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:52,879 Speaker 1: out the answer on next Creature Feature where we will 631 00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:55,800 Speaker 1: reveal it. If you think you know who is making 632 00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:57,800 Speaker 1: that sound, you can write to me at Creature Feature 633 00:37:57,840 --> 00:38:00,239 Speaker 1: Pod at gmail dot com. You can also write to 634 00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:04,560 Speaker 1: me any questions. 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