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Speaker 1: Oh So Live on a Tuesday edition Cleveland Brown's Daily.

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Speaker 1: I am merely bo.

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Speaker 2: He is the great Z And we got some news

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Speaker 2: here on a day off Tuesday edition of the program.

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Speaker 2: The Cleveland Browns and the Cincinnati Bengals have agreed to

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Speaker 2: the following trade. A twenty twenty six fifth round pick

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Speaker 2: comes our way, and straight down seventy one South goes

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Speaker 2: Joe Flacco and a twenty twenty six to sixth round pick.

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Speaker 2: Joe started, of course, the first four games of the

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Speaker 2: season for US, a couple of touchdowns eight hundred and

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Speaker 2: fifteen yards. I ask you, sir, your reaction to this

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Speaker 2: and perhaps the reason why this happened in the timing

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Speaker 2: of it, Well.

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Speaker 1: Certainly I was shocked. I think, like a great many people,

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Speaker 1: I was stunned when I heard the news, because this

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Speaker 1: is not something that happens often. First of all, that

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Speaker 1: a quarterback is traded in division. You illuminated to me

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Speaker 1: that it's only happened three times. This is being the

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Speaker 1: third in recent history. Drew Bledsoe from the Patriots of

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Speaker 1: the Bills, Donovan McNabb from the Eagles to the then Redskins,

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Speaker 1: and now this one. Now there was another one that

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Speaker 1: almost was would have been the fourth and almost was

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Speaker 1: the first time the Browns and the Bengals that ever trade,

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Speaker 1: when A. J. Mccern almost made his way up here

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Speaker 1: to the Cleveland Browns, but a fax machine derailed that.

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Speaker 1: According to the.

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Speaker 2: Lore, Yes, and apparently that story was retold just recently

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Speaker 2: with Johnny Manziel, who apparently he's making it his life's

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Speaker 2: passion to document everything that's ever happened in the organization

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Speaker 2: in his own way. It seems like, but we digress.

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Speaker 1: We digress, we do. I'm stunned by it. It just

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Speaker 1: I get from like Joe Flacco's perspective. He probably wants

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Speaker 1: to play from the Brown perspective. Sorry, we're gonna see

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Speaker 1: the young guys, you know, which is as they said,

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Speaker 1: it was important. So now you know, Dylan Gabriel is

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Speaker 1: your starter and had a very nice first start. Dylan Gabriel,

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Speaker 1: who's played a couple of series and one game, leads

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Speaker 1: the team in passing touchdowns. He's thrown three with no interceptions.

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Speaker 1: So you know, let's let the young guy play. He's

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Speaker 1: look pretty good. And then Joe back probably want an opportunity.

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Speaker 1: We had said on the show, A few weeks made

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Speaker 1: a lot of sense for him or Jamis to now

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Speaker 1: former Browns quarterbacks to be the quarterback for Cincinnati, and

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Speaker 1: they couldn't keep going with Jake Browning, so they did.

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Speaker 1: You get a fifth round pick back, which is just

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Speaker 1: an asset that maybe can be used to move up,

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Speaker 1: you know, in a draft and get somebody that you

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Speaker 1: like in an earlier round. But still quite surprising to me,

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Speaker 1: to be honest with you, The Browns now Dylan Gabriel,

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Speaker 1: Shore Sanders and Bailey Zappy. You know, I'm sure we'll

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Speaker 1: find out tomorrow if Bailey Zappi gets that roster spot

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Speaker 1: and the Browns carry three and then you know, does

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Speaker 1: that well who's backing up? That'll be a brew haha

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Speaker 1: for another day. But no, it's about I think seeing

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Speaker 1: Dylan Gabriel play, he's the starter, and then giving Joe

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Speaker 1: Flacco doing right by him, an opportunity, you know, to

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Speaker 1: play somewhere. And if you're Joe Flacco, you say, oh,

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Speaker 1: so I get to go throw the ball to Jamar

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Speaker 1: Chas and t Higgins. Yeah, that works for me.

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Speaker 2: Now their line is maybe it's something ours tough. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: they have no threat to run either. Zero they do

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Speaker 2: not have quin Sewn Jenkins, they can't.

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Speaker 1: Run at all. Chase Brown is struggling. Well there, listen,

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Speaker 1: they were able to run before because of Joe Burrow,

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Speaker 1: and so you hope maybe with Flacco and his ability

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Speaker 1: to throw the football, we'll see. But it just is

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Speaker 1: wild that here we are in what was really just

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Speaker 1: a three person quarterback competition, if we're being honest about it,

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Speaker 1: over the entirety of the off season.

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Speaker 2: It really was two. Honestly, it was really really one

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Speaker 2: in Kenny. Honestly, it was Kenny. It was Kenny.

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Speaker 1: It was Kenny until the injury. It was Kenny. It

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Speaker 1: really wasn't And that's what makes this whole thing. So

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Speaker 1: when you just look at it from like the way

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Speaker 1: way way back machine, it just seems wild that he's

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Speaker 1: not here, you know, and it feels like he's probably

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Speaker 1: going into our sixth game. Well, he wasn't even our

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Speaker 1: any reason to help the Bengals, but we all know,

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Speaker 1: chips are all in, We're going with with Dylan Gabriel

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think from there's a lot of layers to this.

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Speaker 2: So from the to your point, I couldn't agree with

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Speaker 2: you more on the Joe part where I'm sure he

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Speaker 2: said if there's an opportunity for me to play, and

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Speaker 2: they have a good enough relationship that if there's an

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Speaker 2: you now, we're just guessing here. We have no idea.

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Speaker 2: Everybody's off like, yeah, there's I have no idea. I'm

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Speaker 2: what sticks. But could I envision a scenario where Joe

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Speaker 2: Flacco said, hey, if there's an opportunity for me to

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Speaker 2: they're going to go with Dylan Gabriel. Could I see

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Speaker 2: a scenario where Joe says, Hey, if there's an opportunity

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Speaker 2: to at least entertain it. Could I see that happening.

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Speaker 2: I don't think, Yeah, I could. Maybe it did. I

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Speaker 1: I think he I don't even think he went that way,

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Speaker 1: but I think it was probably just one of those

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Speaker 1: things that's felt pretty obvious. If he's not going to

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Speaker 1: play here and he can become an asset for the

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Speaker 1: organization in the form of draft capital, you know, well,

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Speaker 1: didn't you.

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Speaker 2: So that goes to the other part because you mentioned

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Speaker 2: Dylan and now Dylan all forward. When you have a

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Speaker 2: rookie quarterback and maybe that this is a thirty thousand

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Speaker 2: foot view I acknowledge when I have if I have

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Speaker 2: a rookie quarterback, I don't mind having a vet in

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Speaker 2: the room. It's kind of a sounding board. It's different

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Speaker 2: if it's a vet versus a coach. And I understand

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Speaker 2: we are obviously well versed in the coaching aspect because

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Speaker 2: Kevin does a lot of offense, and Bill's here and obviously

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Speaker 2: people around here, yes, but it is different when one's

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Speaker 1: Yes.

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Speaker 2: And I think that's the thing that to me, from

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Speaker 2: a support for him, Like you come off the field,

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Speaker 2: hey man, here's what this looked like. Here's what now.

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Speaker 2: I have no idea what all of that was like

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Speaker 2: since the change. We have no idea.

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Speaker 1: I guarantee Joe.

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Speaker 2: I would think that Joe would probably be a total

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Speaker 2: pro on that. It would be very very helpful on

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Speaker 2: that front. So from the Dylan perspective, I don't love

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Speaker 2: this because I don't think there was a scenario where

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Speaker 2: my read on it was there wasn't a scenario where

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Speaker 2: Dylan was going to be replaced by Joe for anything

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Speaker 2: other than injury. And if he was replaced because of

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Speaker 2: quality of play, then that's something else entirely, and.

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Speaker 1: That would be way down the ride.

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Speaker 2: My view of this is that Dylan Gabriel and Kevin

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Speaker 2: hasn't you know, given us a hint one way or another.

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Speaker 1: How I assumes how he feels that is a.

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Speaker 2: Very long runway for Dylan Gabriel that he is the

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Speaker 2: starting quarterback of the Cleveland Browns, and I would think so, right,

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Speaker 2: I mean, like that that's what he is. Barring injury

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Speaker 2: or massive struggle bus those would be the two things.

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Speaker 2: Again me not coach, just from the outside looking in.

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Speaker 2: So with that being the case, I just liked havin

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Speaker 2: Joe here. Of course, It's.

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Speaker 1: Just nice, always nice to have somebody there, and this

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Speaker 1: is an offense right now that is really struggling, and

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Speaker 1: so you know, to have somebody I think with that

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Speaker 1: valuable thing for him. So I do think it is unfortunate,

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Speaker 1: you know, for Dylan in that perspective. And then when

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Speaker 1: really not a big win in it for Dylan either

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Speaker 1: because if it is Shadoor, there are gonna be a

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Speaker 1: if it is not Shador, there are gonna be If

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Speaker 1: it's Bailey's Appy, there's gonna be a lot of people

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Speaker 1: that are upset about that. And again, the focus right

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Speaker 1: now should be or hopefully should be on Dylan, who

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Speaker 1: has started played well, are there things he needs to

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Speaker 1: and talk about this offense and you know, not necessarily

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Speaker 1: maybe to dwell on what it hasn't been, but what

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Speaker 2: And the thing that I think is is that's tricky

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Speaker 2: about trades like this is when you ask yourself, did

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Speaker 2: this make your team better?

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Speaker 1: Now?

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Speaker 2: Well, we're five games in, so did this make our

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Speaker 2: you're only five games into this thing, like the draft

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Speaker 2: isn'tuntil next May, no, and that forever.

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Speaker 1: What's really tough about it is that this does feel

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Speaker 1: like a move that is an eye to the present

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Speaker 1: with Dylan, but also to the future. And so when

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Speaker 1: you think about the Brown's capital going into next year,

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Speaker 1: and now they've got this collection of fifth round picks

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Speaker 1: those are picks and I mentioned, I think briefly earlier

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Speaker 1: but those are picks that can be attached to move

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Speaker 1: the draft in which they drafted Grant Delpit, the compensation

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Speaker 1: be able to use one of these fives to go

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Speaker 1: up and get them, you know, in the top sixty

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Speaker 1: or top seventy scenario, that's a great thing. The other

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Speaker 1: side of it is that is kind of the going

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Speaker 1: price right now for like quality veterans. So you have

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Speaker 1: now some fifth round picks that you can going this again,

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Speaker 1: and this is all for next year, is my guess

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Speaker 1: is you have some fifth rounders that you could maybe

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Speaker 1: move or perhaps in season, you know, get somebody who's

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Speaker 3: So.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, I think that a I think for Dylan

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Speaker 2: No, No, nothing's been too big. But now it's his

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Speaker 2: It's it's a little bit of a I think it's

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Speaker 2: Like if he gets nine, it's like get up and

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Speaker 2: point you know what I mean, Like he had that

437
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Speaker 2: one in the first half where they threw that little

438
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Speaker 2: slip and he picked like nine. Yeah, and he got

439
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Speaker 2: up like chesty was fired out like it was like

440
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Speaker 2: a thirty eight yard Yeah.

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Speaker 1: They really don't throw the ball down the field now,

442
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Speaker 1: uh huh no, no, no, no they don't.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, it's yeah, little some This has been a

444
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Speaker 2: very crazy month of the season, and obviously what what

445
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Speaker 2: happened here today certainly adds to it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it was it was twenty twenty two, right, twenty

447
00:22:01,760 --> 00:22:09,919
Speaker 1: twenty two. Yeah, it's and mahomes. You know, their d

448
00:22:10,119 --> 00:22:12,280
Speaker 1: is not as good as it used to be. No,

449
00:22:14,080 --> 00:22:16,639
Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence should run more. I think that became very

450
00:22:16,760 --> 00:22:18,520
Speaker 1: parent in that game. He's actually pretty good at it. Yeah,

451
00:22:18,520 --> 00:22:22,760
Speaker 1: he's good at pretty pretty swift. It was fun seeing

452
00:22:22,800 --> 00:22:24,600
Speaker 1: Kareem get Kareem got in there. I really thought when

453
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Speaker 1: they scored the second one and they went up twenty

454
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Speaker 1: eight twenty four, that was it. They were going to

455
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Speaker 1: get the easy It was great. You gets the morning

456
00:22:31,920 --> 00:22:36,280
Speaker 1: boys and then you get the flag. Yeah, it's a

457
00:22:36,280 --> 00:22:38,560
Speaker 1: good win for the Jacks, very good win for the Jacks.

458
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Speaker 1: By the way, those should be their uniforms period, the Jags,

459
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Speaker 1: that was the old school with the prowling, the prowling yep,

460
00:22:50,160 --> 00:22:53,920
Speaker 1: Jack prowling Jaguar yep. Yeah, that's those are great. Yeah,

461
00:22:53,960 --> 00:22:54,959
Speaker 1: those should be their uniforms.

462
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's it. There's a lot of that that's happening,

463
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Speaker 2: Like there's a lot of Seahawks. Bucks was c x

464
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Speaker 2: Bucks was unbelievable.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

466
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Speaker 2: I had several requests in the house for a Mecca

467
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Speaker 2: Buca white Bucks, and I'm like, yeah, I don't blame you.

468
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Speaker 1: That's pretty crispy bretty. So they like the white over

469
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Speaker 1: the full crity.

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Speaker 2: I think they might be right too. I think it

471
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Speaker 2: might be even superior and white.

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Speaker 1: Well, it's funny as I liked the old Broncos that

473
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Speaker 1: the white white one, the blue number.

474
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Speaker 2: Looks so good. Yeah, yeah, it very much does. All right,

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Speaker 2: we'll get some more perspective on all of this before

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Speaker 2: mid bite on your erewon kale salad. How did how

496
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Speaker 2: did this one land? How did it land for you?

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Speaker 1: Buddy?

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Speaker 5: Uh?

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Speaker 3: Well, pull back the curtain. We all have the text chain.

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Speaker 1: I think you know how I said, Well that can

501
00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:32,639
Speaker 1: be the show, that should be the show.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I was, I was stunned. I mean, like I'm surprised.

503
00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:40,440
Speaker 3: We all get surprised sometimes, like the Micah Parsons trade,

504
00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:43,760
Speaker 3: which admittedly this is not okay, I'm not comparing it,

505
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Speaker 3: but like that one, you're sitting there going whoa, And

506
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Speaker 3: I kind of had the same reaction. I was. I

507
00:24:51,240 --> 00:24:54,760
Speaker 3: was taping an interview with Puka Nakua for the little

508
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Speaker 3: Yahoo pod that I do, and the trade came down

509
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Speaker 3: and we're setting the zoom up and everything, and I'm like, hey, Pooka,

510
00:25:02,359 --> 00:25:05,480
Speaker 3: because it had happened like two minutes before we logged in,

511
00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:08,240
Speaker 3: Hey Pooka, you see this trade. He's like, what trade?

512
00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:10,720
Speaker 3: And I told him and he kind of had the

513
00:25:10,760 --> 00:25:17,960
Speaker 3: same reaction, like what, And yeah, it's it's kind of

514
00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:21,720
Speaker 3: Ponker's true story. And so I called up NFL research

515
00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:25,359
Speaker 3: on my boy Dante over there, and I think I

516
00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:28,479
Speaker 3: tweeted this. I know I tweeted this. Actually, Jack Kemp,

517
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Speaker 3: who later went on to a life in Congress back

518
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Speaker 3: in nineteen sixty two, beat the Titans, not the Oilers,

519
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Speaker 3: but the old Jets. Know, the Titans became the Jets

520
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Speaker 3: with the Chargers in week two and then with the

521
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Speaker 3: Bills in week fourteen. So if Joe Flacco were to

522
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Speaker 3: start and beat the Packers this week. Let's do the

523
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Speaker 3: bat thirty eight fifty eight. He'd be the first quarterback

524
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Speaker 3: in sixty three years to be the same team twice

525
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Speaker 3: with a different team in the same season.

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Speaker 1: Well, say, there, that's nice, Like now we're a part

527
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Speaker 1: of history. There you go, there you go.

528
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Speaker 3: And and because you know he gets the Ravens twice

529
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Speaker 3: potentially because they haven't played the Ravens yet, he'd be

530
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Speaker 3: the first quarterback to face a team three times in

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Speaker 3: a season.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that's very much in play too, buddy, as

533
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Speaker 2: you know, because that's like late November early December. They

534
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Speaker 2: play each other twice in three weeks.

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Speaker 3: Play on Thanksgiving in Baltimore. Yeah, so since Carrie Collins

536
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Speaker 3: in ninety eight.

537
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Speaker 1: There you go.

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Speaker 3: Wow, just bonkers. Yeah, a lot of stuff there. But

539
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Speaker 3: I'm with you with what you guys said about the

540
00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:45,840
Speaker 3: veteran in the room. And I think it's also part

541
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Speaker 3: of the reason why Bailey's appy was there. So that

542
00:26:47,800 --> 00:26:50,040
Speaker 3: Bailey's app I'm sorry, So Joe Flacco could have a

543
00:26:50,160 --> 00:26:54,399
Speaker 3: veteran in the room with him to bounce stuff off of.

544
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Speaker 3: Not that Dylan Gabriel and should or Sanders can't, you know,

545
00:26:57,400 --> 00:27:02,119
Speaker 3: watch film and offer insight. They can, But Bailey was

546
00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:06,200
Speaker 3: that kind of veteran to have conversations with and eat

547
00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:11,520
Speaker 3: lunch with, to to pick brains with. And now Bailey's

548
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Speaker 3: the veteran in the room.

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Speaker 1: When you think about you interviewed Miles. Yeah, and you

550
00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:22,920
Speaker 1: asked him, you know, they told you the planet quarterback

551
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Speaker 1: and he gave that what is now kind of a

552
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Speaker 1: famous smirk to you. Do you think this was it?

553
00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:36,720
Speaker 3: No, this wasn't it. And the context, the context back then, guys,

554
00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:39,800
Speaker 3: remember Miles had just done his presser, he had just

555
00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:42,600
Speaker 3: come off the podium, and then he came upstairs and

556
00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:45,960
Speaker 3: he did the zoom. But that was like Russell Wilson

557
00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:48,480
Speaker 3: had been in either that day or the previous day,

558
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Speaker 3: and we talked about Russell in that interview as well.

559
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Speaker 3: That clip didn't go viral. I don't know if if

560
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Speaker 3: part of miles smirk that disclosure. He and I have

561
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Speaker 3: discussed it since then. I don't know if if part

562
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Speaker 3: of his smirk had to do with maybe Russell or

563
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Speaker 3: maybe at the time honestly had to do with trading

564
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Speaker 3: up to number one, because there was still a lot

565
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Speaker 3: of speculation at the time that maybe the Titans would

566
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Speaker 3: move out, maybe they would listen, and maybe the Browns

567
00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:20,119
Speaker 3: would try to get up to number one. Maybe that

568
00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:22,080
Speaker 3: was part of it. That's what I think it could

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Speaker 3: have been. Yeap, who knows. At this point. You know,

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Speaker 3: it was good TV for the moment.

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Speaker 1: For sure, it was. It's just I think it's wild

572
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Speaker 1: that you look at you move on from Pickett, who

573
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Speaker 1: I thought I think we all thought made the most

574
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Speaker 1: sense and who I know, I'm not saying I think

575
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Speaker 1: I know was kind of the plan to start week one,

576
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Speaker 1: and then you go with Flacco and he's benched before

577
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Speaker 1: the fifth game, and now he's on a starting for

578
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Speaker 1: a division rival by the sixth game. And then we

579
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Speaker 1: said it, listen, they like Dylan Gabriel. There was no

580
00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:55,560
Speaker 1: question about that. We knew that from day one. But

581
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Speaker 1: the idea that you know, when you draf somebody in

582
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Speaker 1: the third round, now, Russell Wilson, things like that do happen,

583
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Speaker 1: but it was probably unlikely that he was going to

584
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Speaker 1: be in at this point, and so here we are.

585
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Speaker 1: So it just kind of almost feels like, now, listen,

586
00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:12,680
Speaker 1: Dylan's played well, and now we were going to really

587
00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:14,840
Speaker 1: get a good opportunity to see can hey, can he

588
00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:18,640
Speaker 1: be the answer? But it's an offense that needs a

589
00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:21,080
Speaker 1: massive jump start. I mean, we're ten games in a

590
00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:23,320
Speaker 1: row at seventeen points or few, which is not where

591
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Speaker 1: you want to be. It just seems it's almost kind

592
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Speaker 1: of hard to believe that this is where we are

593
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Speaker 1: going into Week six at Pittsburgh.

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Speaker 3: Well, listen, I go back to what you said about,

595
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Speaker 3: you know, the turning point of the season with the

596
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Speaker 3: Vikings game, and I'm fully with you. You and I

597
00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:40,640
Speaker 3: discussed this both on the bus and on the plane.

598
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Speaker 3: I think everyone feels the same way. Like if you

599
00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:46,880
Speaker 3: had beaten the Vikings, you go to Pittsburgh with a

600
00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:49,800
Speaker 3: little win behind your sales and a little here if you,

601
00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:53,680
Speaker 3: momentum carries when we the next But regardless, considering the

602
00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:56,640
Speaker 3: state of the division, the Bengals, the Ravens, it feels

603
00:29:56,640 --> 00:29:58,400
Speaker 3: a little bit different. We agree on it. I kind

604
00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:00,720
Speaker 3: of compared to what we saw last year and maybe

605
00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:03,400
Speaker 3: this is a stretch, but we beat the Ravens. If

606
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Speaker 3: you beat the Chargers the next week, you then head

607
00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:07,880
Speaker 3: into the buy and a lot of people didn't believe

608
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Speaker 3: in the Chargers, myself, notably that week you head into

609
00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:13,880
Speaker 3: the buy and then you head to New Orleans with

610
00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:15,760
Speaker 3: Dennis Allen was about to get fired. It felt a

611
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Speaker 3: little bit different. Now this is far earlier in the season,

612
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Speaker 3: and then I view these situations very definitely. But let

613
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Speaker 3: me offer you this. If they had beaten the Vikings.

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Speaker 1: Yes, there's a huge one.

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Speaker 3: Wait wait, wait, but does the trade feel any different

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Speaker 3: to me? It doesn't. Like Joe Flacco. There was no scenario.

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Speaker 3: Hold on, There was no scenario in which starting Joe

618
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Speaker 3: Flacco again this season would have felt right. Do we

619
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Speaker 3: agree with that?

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Speaker 1: No?

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Speaker 2: I don't agree on that. If they beat Minnesota, no,

622
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Speaker 2: because then you're two and three and you're going to

623
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Speaker 2: Pittsburgh with a chance to get to three on three

624
00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:53,080
Speaker 2: picks all of a sudden, if you get to three

625
00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:55,239
Speaker 2: and three and they are three and two, and now

626
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Speaker 2: all of a sudden, you're saying yourself, Okay, we've won

627
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Speaker 2: a couple of games, and if Dylan were to get

628
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Speaker 2: hurt or nicked when we're in the middle of things,

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Speaker 2: I'd want Flacco. So that's okay, you're saying, is there

630
00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:07,040
Speaker 2: any scenario that's my scenario?

631
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Speaker 1: Yes?

632
00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:12,959
Speaker 3: Okay, So scenario would be okay if they had beaten Minnesota.

633
00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:17,480
Speaker 3: They keep winning games, and Gabriel later in the season

634
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Speaker 3: and he's a part of them winning games would then

635
00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:23,080
Speaker 3: get hurt. Then starting Flacco would feel right, Okay, I

636
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Speaker 3: agree with you. I hadn't thought of that scenario. I

637
00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:29,320
Speaker 3: was just saying, it's Gabriel's game now, and if for

638
00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:32,160
Speaker 3: some reason it's not Gabriel's game, then I think we

639
00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:35,440
Speaker 3: all agree. And Jimmy has some said it back in

640
00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:38,440
Speaker 3: training camp. You have to see the kids eventually, right,

641
00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:40,720
Speaker 3: so that it would be shad shot. I hear what

642
00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:41,200
Speaker 3: you're saying.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I do, And I think the other thing that

644
00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:47,080
Speaker 2: you have to be that I think I think Dylan's

645
00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:48,480
Speaker 2: been in some really tough spots.

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Speaker 1: That's the other part of it. Yes, I think he's

647
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Speaker 1: been with.

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Speaker 2: Some really tough spots because I mean, the the other

649
00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:57,960
Speaker 2: reality of this is that while you know you want

650
00:31:58,000 --> 00:31:59,959
Speaker 2: to treat Shadoor like you would treat any other thing

651
00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:02,200
Speaker 2: round pick, we're not idiots.

652
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Speaker 1: He's not.

653
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Speaker 2: He's a massive celebrity and he was a massive face

654
00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:07,560
Speaker 2: of college football the last couple of years. So as

655
00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:11,000
Speaker 2: soon as you draft him, the situation for Dylan is very,

656
00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:14,960
Speaker 2: very different than what it was before and now now

657
00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:16,480
Speaker 2: we're gonna be I mean, you know how this is

658
00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:18,840
Speaker 2: going to go tomorrow? Should it is either going to

659
00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:22,320
Speaker 2: be the backup or it'll be Bailey or Kevin will

660
00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:23,880
Speaker 2: say we're gonna work that out.

661
00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:26,480
Speaker 1: Well, but that's the pr one. There's a real one

662
00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:27,320
Speaker 1: on you know, you know.

663
00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:31,840
Speaker 3: No, no, I understand that, but whatever I know, I

664
00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:32,200
Speaker 3: ge't that.

665
00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:34,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, So I mean, but you can't because he's not

666
00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:36,640
Speaker 2: active yet. So that's the only depth chart you could

667
00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:38,440
Speaker 2: put out. But they're gonna do it tomorrow. Or Kevin

668
00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:41,160
Speaker 2: will say, he could say we're still working figure those

669
00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:42,720
Speaker 2: things out, I'll have it for you later in the

670
00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:43,760
Speaker 2: week or something like that.

671
00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:46,240
Speaker 1: So those are your three options. Me too.

672
00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:49,840
Speaker 2: But here's what I'm saying now, that becomes the story

673
00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:53,480
Speaker 2: tomorrow as opposed to Dylan's game. So that's stuff that

674
00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:55,040
Speaker 2: then you have to deal with over and over again.

675
00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:57,840
Speaker 2: So I just think Dylan has got a lot on

676
00:32:57,920 --> 00:33:01,160
Speaker 2: his plate, and I do think, and we don't know.

677
00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:03,120
Speaker 2: We'll hear from Kevin tomorrow what he thinks about all

678
00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:04,800
Speaker 2: of this. Maybe we're making a molehill and turn it

679
00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:07,360
Speaker 2: into a mountain. But to me, I think you were

680
00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:09,680
Speaker 2: better off having a veteran in that room, at least

681
00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:10,800
Speaker 2: for a little while longer.

682
00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:15,600
Speaker 3: I agree. I think that's a fair and valid point.

683
00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:19,520
Speaker 3: I also know that the algorithm, and I'm going to blame,

684
00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:24,080
Speaker 3: you know, the amorphous algorithm, just hanging out there controlling

685
00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:28,479
Speaker 3: everyone's lives. It's it's ridiculous sometimes because to me and

686
00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:31,800
Speaker 3: you and I we are all texting this. My reaction

687
00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:35,640
Speaker 3: to the story is you were trading a starter potentially

688
00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:37,320
Speaker 3: if the Bengals choose a roll with him this week

689
00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:40,760
Speaker 3: or next whenever within the division, right to a team

690
00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:43,360
Speaker 3: that you're only separated by one game with well two

691
00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:46,840
Speaker 3: games one and a half lost to in week one.

692
00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:51,120
Speaker 3: To me, that's the story my algorithm in every social

693
00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:55,240
Speaker 3: media app I'm in within thirty seconds that it was

694
00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:58,560
Speaker 3: just shoudor number two. That's what the algorithm gives you.

695
00:33:59,040 --> 00:34:02,560
Speaker 3: And go back, go back to Dylan Gabriel on the

696
00:34:02,560 --> 00:34:06,040
Speaker 3: podium in London talking about his parents not being able

697
00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:09,400
Speaker 3: to come and his dad at the passport and became

698
00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:14,240
Speaker 3: it became you know, those tweets went viral and anything

699
00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:18,839
Speaker 3: he says goes viral. Just with the Shadoor fans and

700
00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:24,080
Speaker 3: the comments and the engagement through no fault of anyone's

701
00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:27,120
Speaker 3: through not Shador's fault. Dylan deserved it. And we said

702
00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:29,480
Speaker 3: this in the Pro game in the pregame show. Dylan

703
00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:34,880
Speaker 3: deserves attention, respect, and praise for the way he played,

704
00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:37,879
Speaker 3: for who he is. He's his own man, he met

705
00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:39,960
Speaker 3: the moment. He's one of the most impressive twenty four

706
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:42,880
Speaker 3: to twenty five year olds I've ever met in covering football.

707
00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:45,960
Speaker 3: And I truly do mean that he is that impressive

708
00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:48,360
Speaker 3: in terms of his maturity, the way he carries himself,

709
00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:50,640
Speaker 3: the way he leads. When Miles says he goes out

710
00:34:50,640 --> 00:34:53,040
Speaker 3: there and leads with his chest out, He's not just

711
00:34:53,160 --> 00:34:56,600
Speaker 3: making that up. Like he speaks confidently. He acts like

712
00:34:56,600 --> 00:35:01,080
Speaker 3: he's been there and it's his offense. He deserves our

713
00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:04,799
Speaker 3: attention and respect, period, and.

714
00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:08,799
Speaker 1: He's got it. Yeah, I mean, here we go.

715
00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:12,040
Speaker 2: I would also say that your algorithm is very different

716
00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:12,600
Speaker 2: than mine.

717
00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:14,759
Speaker 3: Really, what's your algorithm right now?

718
00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:15,919
Speaker 1: I can't talk about it on the radio.

719
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:20,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, at least let's go because I know Nathan, Hey,

720
00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:22,279
Speaker 3: how do we all? Right?

721
00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:24,600
Speaker 2: So this is what it is right now, This is

722
00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:26,200
Speaker 2: what it is like, this is where we are going

723
00:35:26,239 --> 00:35:28,279
Speaker 2: forward and so this is what it is. What do

724
00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:31,120
Speaker 2: you want to see this week in Pittsburgh from this

725
00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:33,440
Speaker 2: offense that you did not see Sunday in London?

726
00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:34,280
Speaker 1: Twenty points?

727
00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:36,960
Speaker 3: Well, obviously that's twenty points to be great, you know,

728
00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:39,520
Speaker 3: famous class for like things. I want to take back

729
00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:41,600
Speaker 3: from the broadcast. They got to seventeen in what the

730
00:35:41,640 --> 00:35:45,160
Speaker 3: third quarter? And I said, you know, maybe they get

731
00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:47,120
Speaker 3: to twenty, maybe they get to thirty today.

732
00:35:47,560 --> 00:35:50,680
Speaker 1: That's weird because you also have been quite adamant on

733
00:35:50,719 --> 00:35:53,399
Speaker 1: social media recently that the announcer drinks is not real

734
00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:55,720
Speaker 1: and there are at least there are at least two

735
00:35:55,800 --> 00:36:00,680
Speaker 1: examples in this season alone in our booths that that

736
00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:05,040
Speaker 1: they're there. It's maybe not causality, but there's correlation. There's correlation.

737
00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:07,520
Speaker 3: You had one in Detroit as well, didn't.

738
00:36:07,239 --> 00:36:09,439
Speaker 1: You What was I don't know what did I happen

739
00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:10,160
Speaker 1: to give?

740
00:36:10,280 --> 00:36:11,680
Speaker 3: Didn't he have one in Detroit?

741
00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:13,359
Speaker 1: Gibby's not here?

742
00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:15,760
Speaker 4: He did? I wanted to kick him like five minutes

743
00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:17,920
Speaker 4: into the game. I can't remember what it was.

744
00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:23,239
Speaker 1: You said, I was going fast. That's usually what you

745
00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:23,799
Speaker 1: guys get better.

746
00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:25,839
Speaker 3: Well, you do that every week. You're like, oh my god,

747
00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:28,359
Speaker 3: this is going on quarter.

748
00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:29,440
Speaker 1: That's quick one, quick one.

749
00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:32,960
Speaker 4: Remember you did do something and I was like, I

750
00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:34,600
Speaker 4: looked at Mac and I was.

751
00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:37,080
Speaker 1: It must have been a real big one. We can

752
00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:39,200
Speaker 1: name both of these ones, and I must have been

753
00:36:39,239 --> 00:36:42,000
Speaker 1: so huge that we're in it's like a morphous conspiracy. Well,

754
00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:43,839
Speaker 1: he must have done it. We don't know what it was,

755
00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:47,000
Speaker 1: but he did it. Oh my gosh, wooie.

756
00:36:47,040 --> 00:36:48,880
Speaker 3: There's what was the want?

757
00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:53,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, I want to know. I wanted to Detroit. Yeah,

758
00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:55,799
Speaker 1: let's be honest for a second. It's not like I

759
00:36:55,880 --> 00:36:58,960
Speaker 1: was going into that game, you know, full of optimism.

760
00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:01,040
Speaker 1: I can't imagine. There's something happened the first five minutes

761
00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:03,759
Speaker 1: of that game got me to be like, hey, now

762
00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:05,960
Speaker 1: we're gonna go throw some big confident talk. We scored

763
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:09,160
Speaker 1: on the opening drive. Maybe I said we hadn't done

764
00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:09,680
Speaker 1: that in a while.

765
00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:12,799
Speaker 3: Maybe. And you know what, I'll take the blame as

766
00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:15,680
Speaker 3: well for for lolden as well. I said as well

767
00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:17,800
Speaker 3: twice there because I think I said to the open like,

768
00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:19,200
Speaker 3: let's get out of here and let's get a win.

769
00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:19,400
Speaker 4: Now.

770
00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:20,680
Speaker 3: That wasn't guaranteeing a winner.

771
00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:22,839
Speaker 1: No, that's not the same way.

772
00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:26,359
Speaker 3: Like we felt really good, yes, going into that game.

773
00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:28,080
Speaker 1: That's why that one was frustrating.

774
00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:30,359
Speaker 3: Right as you guys said yesterday, if you had told

775
00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:32,200
Speaker 3: me that all you got to do to get a

776
00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:34,080
Speaker 3: win and get out of here was get a one

777
00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:37,279
Speaker 3: armed Carson Wentz off the field with three or four

778
00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:42,520
Speaker 3: backup offensive linemen in eighty yards to go do, I

779
00:37:42,600 --> 00:37:46,600
Speaker 3: like gambling. I would have bet anything that that would

780
00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:47,120
Speaker 3: have happened.

781
00:37:49,040 --> 00:37:51,279
Speaker 1: That's why that one hurt a great deal. And now

782
00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:54,680
Speaker 1: we're we've traded Joe Flacco a few days later. I did.

783
00:37:54,880 --> 00:37:57,440
Speaker 1: I really do believe that that game on some level

784
00:37:57,920 --> 00:38:00,520
Speaker 1: was a bit of a pivot point because you, as

785
00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:02,200
Speaker 1: we talked about and we laid out, you win it

786
00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:06,680
Speaker 1: not saying we're listen, it would be foolish to say

787
00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:08,440
Speaker 1: we're just going to go into Pittsburgh and we're going

788
00:38:08,520 --> 00:38:10,479
Speaker 1: to beat them. The things are so in their favor.

789
00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:12,160
Speaker 1: We just flew back from London, they're coming off of

790
00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:14,640
Speaker 1: a bye week. We have not won there in the

791
00:38:14,680 --> 00:38:17,720
Speaker 1: regular season in my tenure here, which began in twenty fourteen,

792
00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:21,640
Speaker 1: and I know it predates that they have been out

793
00:38:21,640 --> 00:38:23,759
Speaker 1: gained in every game this year. Their point differential is

794
00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:26,200
Speaker 1: not great. They are beatable. I mean, it's taken some

795
00:38:26,239 --> 00:38:28,120
Speaker 1: crazy things for them to win a couple of games, Like,

796
00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:32,480
Speaker 1: I definitely think we can beat this team, but this

797
00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:33,560
Speaker 1: a whole difference.

798
00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:36,200
Speaker 3: Trait does not make them any more or less beatable.

799
00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:41,719
Speaker 1: Correct. I think that. I think what we're saying is

800
00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:46,440
Speaker 1: that it on some level is more an acknowledgement. On

801
00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:49,759
Speaker 1: some level, it is an acknowledgment of maybe we're a

802
00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:53,040
Speaker 1: little farther away than we would have liked to have

803
00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:54,200
Speaker 1: been at this moment.

804
00:38:55,120 --> 00:38:57,720
Speaker 3: I maybe I can see your logic there. It wasn't

805
00:38:57,760 --> 00:38:59,279
Speaker 3: my first reaction, but I.

806
00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:02,360
Speaker 2: Understand the simple exercise of if you're tanneling it for

807
00:39:02,440 --> 00:39:05,399
Speaker 2: right now, are you better off as a team, Are

808
00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:07,799
Speaker 2: you a better team for doing this today.

809
00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:08,919
Speaker 1: Than you were four hours ago?

810
00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:09,080
Speaker 3: No?

811
00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:11,120
Speaker 2: It feels the reality is that if you're in this

812
00:39:11,239 --> 00:39:14,319
Speaker 2: game Sunday against Pittsburgh and Dylan were to get banged up,

813
00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:16,319
Speaker 2: you'd feel Okay, Joe's played a lot of ball, let's

814
00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:20,480
Speaker 2: go the other two. Shador has has been obviously well

815
00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:23,920
Speaker 2: deep down on the depth chart, and Bailey has been here,

816
00:39:23,960 --> 00:39:24,920
Speaker 2: so there's familiarity.

817
00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:25,840
Speaker 1: But he's not Joe Flacco.

818
00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:28,960
Speaker 2: So that's the That's the thing that I think is

819
00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:31,680
Speaker 2: it's a tough one, but it's Look, it's Dylan's team now,

820
00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:36,000
Speaker 2: and he's got the longest runway for this organization and

821
00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:38,600
Speaker 2: everybody to see what he's capable of. And that wasn't

822
00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:40,440
Speaker 2: gonna change if Joe was here or not. Though that's

823
00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:42,560
Speaker 2: the other part that's a little strange. I think that

824
00:39:42,600 --> 00:39:43,600
Speaker 2: was the case regards to me.

825
00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:46,200
Speaker 1: If like these fives and and you know, this is

826
00:39:46,239 --> 00:39:51,520
Speaker 1: me trying to get you know, very optimistic Nathan going

827
00:39:51,560 --> 00:39:53,799
Speaker 1: again or optimistic Nate, as you guys would probably call

828
00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:56,840
Speaker 1: it on the program, that these fives are going to

829
00:39:56,960 --> 00:40:00,080
Speaker 1: be used not to draft fifth round players, but to

830
00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:02,680
Speaker 1: either make a move in season to get let's say,

831
00:40:02,680 --> 00:40:04,960
Speaker 1: an offensive lineman that's under contract, and you couldn't just

832
00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:08,840
Speaker 1: as simply trade Joe Flacco to get said linemen, so

833
00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:10,200
Speaker 1: you had to do this to get an extra five,

834
00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:12,319
Speaker 1: or these are fives that will be used next year

835
00:40:12,680 --> 00:40:14,960
Speaker 1: to move up in the draft and get somebody you

836
00:40:15,120 --> 00:40:18,200
Speaker 1: really cove it in the second round or now, because

837
00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:21,000
Speaker 1: Jacksonville all of a sudden is the greatest team in football,

838
00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:23,720
Speaker 1: that you will have to use a five or something

839
00:40:23,760 --> 00:40:25,200
Speaker 1: like that to help you move up and get that

840
00:40:25,239 --> 00:40:27,000
Speaker 1: first round pick where you want it in addition to

841
00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:29,120
Speaker 1: something else. So I just think you've gotten some sweeteners.

842
00:40:29,160 --> 00:40:32,640
Speaker 1: But it again feels forward looking. But I think when

843
00:40:32,680 --> 00:40:34,399
Speaker 1: you make a move and go to Dylan Gabriel, yes

844
00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:36,120
Speaker 1: you're doing that for the present and you believe in him.

845
00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:38,280
Speaker 1: And as I said, he's throwing three touchdowns without an interception,

846
00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:40,080
Speaker 1: so that all part of it is all good, but

847
00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:42,920
Speaker 1: it is now it feels like the tenor of the

848
00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:46,759
Speaker 1: season is very different. And I thought you sent an

849
00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:50,239
Speaker 1: interesting message to begin with starting Joe Flacco and not

850
00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:54,440
Speaker 1: keeping Kenny Pickett, and you've already gone off of that

851
00:40:54,560 --> 00:40:55,640
Speaker 1: path rather quickly.

852
00:40:56,600 --> 00:40:58,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, now I understand all of that truly. And I

853
00:40:58,760 --> 00:41:01,359
Speaker 3: would also point out, as I did last year in

854
00:41:01,360 --> 00:41:05,280
Speaker 3: Pittsburgh where we went and heard the overrated song Renegade Man,

855
00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:08,080
Speaker 3: that the Browns did win there in twenty twenty.

856
00:41:08,640 --> 00:41:10,880
Speaker 1: I was there. Most man's were not the.

857
00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:16,560
Speaker 3: Most meaningful, the most meaningful of their games in Pittsburgh.

858
00:41:16,719 --> 00:41:19,040
Speaker 2: Z was one of the hundred, one of the two hundred,

859
00:41:19,120 --> 00:41:20,480
Speaker 2: one of the two hundred people that were there.

860
00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:22,759
Speaker 1: You were there, I mean, of course it counts. It

861
00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:25,600
Speaker 1: was awesome. It was an unbelievable, more than all.

862
00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:31,600
Speaker 3: The other ones combined. Yeah, absolutely, are you kidding me?

863
00:41:33,080 --> 00:41:36,640
Speaker 1: That year is a bizarre. It's a bizarre in the playoffs.

864
00:41:36,719 --> 00:41:38,880
Speaker 1: I think if you got to watch if it was if.

865
00:41:38,719 --> 00:41:40,560
Speaker 2: It was a if you got to see it with

866
00:41:40,600 --> 00:41:43,919
Speaker 2: a renegade and a full fan like I've never seen

867
00:41:44,080 --> 00:41:46,120
Speaker 2: a win there in front of Let me ask you

868
00:41:46,160 --> 00:41:49,120
Speaker 2: this in Los Angeles? How do they consider that Lakers title.

869
00:41:50,560 --> 00:41:51,280
Speaker 3: In the bubble?

870
00:41:51,600 --> 00:41:55,080
Speaker 1: Yeah? I mean here you go, talk about it.

871
00:41:55,280 --> 00:41:57,759
Speaker 3: There you go, you know what? Put it this way.

872
00:41:57,840 --> 00:41:59,040
Speaker 1: It's a different world title.

873
00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:01,080
Speaker 3: No, No, it's a title.

874
00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:01,800
Speaker 1: Yeah.

875
00:42:01,880 --> 00:42:06,840
Speaker 3: The fans who hate Lebron will use it as a Jordan.

876
00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:11,200
Speaker 3: So if you are a Lebron hater, then it's a

877
00:42:11,239 --> 00:42:13,800
Speaker 3: negative if you're a Laker fan in the title, Yeah,

878
00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:16,160
Speaker 3: it doesn't matter. Like it's the Steelers. You beating the

879
00:42:16,160 --> 00:42:19,040
Speaker 3: Steelers in a playoff game in their building, Like I mean,

880
00:42:19,160 --> 00:42:23,799
Speaker 3: Ben crying on the bench that was in hands. Are

881
00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:25,960
Speaker 3: you kidding me? Put that on a T shirt?

882
00:42:26,200 --> 00:42:28,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was great. It feels like sixty years ago.

883
00:42:28,600 --> 00:42:29,600
Speaker 1: Yeah in some ways.

884
00:42:30,840 --> 00:42:33,799
Speaker 2: Well, look, we'll see how the kid does this set

885
00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:36,680
Speaker 2: this Sunday over there, And I thought when we talked

886
00:42:36,680 --> 00:42:38,720
Speaker 2: about it a lot yesterday. I thought he appointed himself

887
00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:41,239
Speaker 2: very well. The stage was not too big. Never at

888
00:42:41,239 --> 00:42:43,480
Speaker 2: any point did he seem surprised or shocked by what

889
00:42:43,520 --> 00:42:45,719
Speaker 2: he saw. Seemed like he was completely prepared. And so

890
00:42:46,120 --> 00:42:47,839
Speaker 2: I look forward to seeing more and seeing what he's

891
00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:49,279
Speaker 2: capable of this week. And I look forward to you

892
00:42:49,320 --> 00:42:50,960
Speaker 2: guys on the call, Buddy good talking to you.

893
00:42:51,600 --> 00:42:53,920
Speaker 3: Yeah. Absolutely, I have some gear for you guys allegedly

894
00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:56,399
Speaker 3: coming on Friday as well. I'll bring that.

895
00:42:56,520 --> 00:43:01,719
Speaker 1: Ooh oh, now you peaked. I like i'd also I

896
00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:05,000
Speaker 1: would also like by then, i'd like a documentation of

897
00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:09,160
Speaker 1: my jigs. Yeah, we need to documentation. Nobody can recall.

898
00:43:09,239 --> 00:43:11,600
Speaker 3: I mean that that's up to give it. I mean

899
00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:13,239
Speaker 3: you gotta go back and believe me.

900
00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:16,440
Speaker 1: Let's be honest for a second. This guy loves to

901
00:43:16,560 --> 00:43:20,239
Speaker 1: give me garbage on it and he can't name it

902
00:43:20,280 --> 00:43:24,680
Speaker 1: means fake news happened. I can't say it did.

903
00:43:24,760 --> 00:43:27,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, we've gone forty eight minutes without complaining about one

904
00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:28,839
Speaker 4: to three verses three.

905
00:43:28,920 --> 00:43:31,520
Speaker 1: No, we did what I did already already, miss you,

906
00:43:31,600 --> 00:43:36,960
Speaker 1: miss wake up, wake up, lock in the time.

907
00:43:37,719 --> 00:43:40,640
Speaker 3: Well, we told the story about the fan and pre

908
00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:41,080
Speaker 3: game in.

909
00:43:41,120 --> 00:43:44,479
Speaker 1: Detroit the fan pre game.

910
00:43:45,520 --> 00:43:47,719
Speaker 4: I'm just trying to figure out if he complains more

911
00:43:47,719 --> 00:43:50,440
Speaker 4: about time change or Siciliana went to Syracuse.

912
00:43:52,360 --> 00:43:54,040
Speaker 1: Give he's choosing violence.

913
00:43:55,320 --> 00:43:59,120
Speaker 3: To go there. It will be me next story. We're

914
00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:02,160
Speaker 3: yelling at Nathan in Detroit. Proh.

915
00:44:02,360 --> 00:44:04,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, I don't know if we should because my

916
00:44:04,440 --> 00:44:06,600
Speaker 1: reaction to that, I don't think we should. All right,

917
00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:08,520
Speaker 1: we'll keep it. It's good for us. That's a good one.

918
00:44:08,560 --> 00:44:10,080
Speaker 1: That's a one for us. That's the one for all

919
00:44:10,120 --> 00:44:11,080
Speaker 1: of us. Yeah, that's for us.

920
00:44:11,120 --> 00:44:16,160
Speaker 2: We'll see it Friday, buddy, enjoy yourself. Good night now

921
00:44:17,239 --> 00:44:18,160
Speaker 2: the middle of the day.

922
00:44:18,239 --> 00:44:18,680
Speaker 1: Good night.

923
00:44:18,760 --> 00:44:21,359
Speaker 2: Now, all right, we'll get you the Microsoft Minute coming

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Speaker 1: This week in the minute, we're just going to talk

933
00:44:45,600 --> 00:44:47,960
Speaker 1: about really what I think is the most positive thing

934
00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:49,799
Speaker 1: going right now on the Cleveland Browns, and that's quin

935
00:44:49,800 --> 00:44:53,600
Speaker 1: Shawn Judkins. Quin Shawn Judkins back to back games over

936
00:44:53,600 --> 00:44:55,960
Speaker 1: one hundred total yards is rushing totals are increasing every

937
00:44:56,000 --> 00:44:57,800
Speaker 1: single week. He's showing you what he can do is

938
00:44:57,840 --> 00:44:59,839
Speaker 1: not just a runner but a pass catcher. He's got

939
00:44:59,880 --> 00:45:02,279
Speaker 1: more more plays of thirty yards than the rest of

940
00:45:02,320 --> 00:45:06,200
Speaker 1: the Cleveland Browns football team combined. He has been nothing

941
00:45:06,719 --> 00:45:10,279
Speaker 1: short of spectacular and he's doing it quite frankly right

942
00:45:10,320 --> 00:45:14,000
Speaker 1: now against some heavy boxes. He is doing it by

943
00:45:14,520 --> 00:45:18,600
Speaker 1: in a situation where teams are not necessarily afraid of

944
00:45:18,640 --> 00:45:22,040
Speaker 1: what it is that we're doing throwing the football. And

945
00:45:22,120 --> 00:45:26,640
Speaker 1: so to me, that makes him incredibly impressive. And it

946
00:45:26,760 --> 00:45:30,279
Speaker 1: really feels like the Browns have found, you know, a

947
00:45:30,320 --> 00:45:34,080
Speaker 1: star here in this young man. And when you look

948
00:45:34,120 --> 00:45:35,759
Speaker 1: at what he's able to do of the of the

949
00:45:35,840 --> 00:45:40,839
Speaker 1: leading rushers in the NFL, and mind you, he has

950
00:45:41,040 --> 00:45:45,239
Speaker 1: played one fewer game than just about everybody else league.

951
00:45:45,239 --> 00:45:47,360
Speaker 1: Now you've got some guys on buys, but you're talking

952
00:45:47,360 --> 00:45:51,320
Speaker 1: about you know, Jonathan Taylor, by the way, Javonte Williams

953
00:45:51,360 --> 00:45:53,640
Speaker 1: having a heck of a season right there. You're talking

954
00:45:53,640 --> 00:45:57,200
Speaker 1: about Ashton genty, You're talking about James Cook. All of

955
00:45:57,239 --> 00:45:58,719
Speaker 1: these guys, the guys that are over it right now.

956
00:45:58,719 --> 00:46:01,600
Speaker 1: It's Taylor's four to seventy eight, James Cook's four point fifty,

957
00:46:02,080 --> 00:46:05,160
Speaker 1: Javonte four forty seven, etn four forty three. But he's

958
00:46:05,200 --> 00:46:09,880
Speaker 1: already got you know, that extra game there. When you

959
00:46:09,920 --> 00:46:14,799
Speaker 1: look at yards after contact in the NFL, number one

960
00:46:14,840 --> 00:46:17,480
Speaker 1: is Jonathan Taylor three forty six. Number two is Javonte

961
00:46:17,520 --> 00:46:20,600
Speaker 1: Williams three twenty six. Number three is Ashton gent three

962
00:46:20,640 --> 00:46:22,680
Speaker 1: hundred and thirteen of his three hundred and forty nine

963
00:46:22,760 --> 00:46:27,640
Speaker 1: yards have come after contact. Number four is Quinn Sean

964
00:46:27,840 --> 00:46:30,799
Speaker 1: Judkins two hundred and ninety nine yards of his three

965
00:46:30,880 --> 00:46:33,680
Speaker 1: forty seven or after contact. Now what has becomes even

966
00:46:33,719 --> 00:46:35,759
Speaker 1: more impressive is if you are to look at the

967
00:46:35,840 --> 00:46:38,279
Speaker 1: running backs in the league, and I'm gonna limit to

968
00:46:38,320 --> 00:46:41,040
Speaker 1: guys that are, you know, over three hundred yards rushing

969
00:46:41,080 --> 00:46:44,480
Speaker 1: on the season. Number one in the league in yards

970
00:46:44,480 --> 00:46:47,239
Speaker 1: after contact per carry is Quinn Shawn Judkins four point

971
00:46:47,320 --> 00:46:50,919
Speaker 1: one five. Number two is Javonte Williams four point one three.

972
00:46:50,920 --> 00:46:52,600
Speaker 1: Then he get down to Ashton genty three point eight,

973
00:46:52,680 --> 00:46:55,279
Speaker 1: David Montgomery three point eight, a Marion Hampton three point eight,

974
00:46:55,280 --> 00:46:59,799
Speaker 1: Taylor three point seven. So he is doing this at

975
00:46:59,840 --> 00:47:04,120
Speaker 1: an incredibly, incredibly high level. He's already got eight runs

976
00:47:04,120 --> 00:47:06,360
Speaker 1: of more than ten yards, He's already got three runs

977
00:47:06,640 --> 00:47:10,000
Speaker 1: of more than thirty yards on the season. He has

978
00:47:10,280 --> 00:47:14,200
Speaker 1: his breakaway percentage, He's been very good on his breakaway running.

979
00:47:14,560 --> 00:47:19,080
Speaker 1: He's done just a fantastic job in every possible respect.

980
00:47:19,120 --> 00:47:23,080
Speaker 1: He's improved as a pass blocker as well. I think

981
00:47:23,120 --> 00:47:26,759
Speaker 1: the Browns have found a gem. They have been very

982
00:47:26,760 --> 00:47:30,200
Speaker 1: hard to envision being able to replace, you know, seamlessly

983
00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:33,040
Speaker 1: the guy who are left right here, Nickolas Jamal Chubb.

984
00:47:33,640 --> 00:47:35,359
Speaker 1: But he's got that. And I think what you saw

985
00:47:35,440 --> 00:47:38,400
Speaker 1: is not only his ability to you know, be elusive,

986
00:47:38,920 --> 00:47:43,880
Speaker 1: his ability to make big plays, but his ability to

987
00:47:44,239 --> 00:47:47,439
Speaker 1: make plays where there's nothing there. His ability as well

988
00:47:47,520 --> 00:47:50,320
Speaker 1: to kind of be patient in the hole and run,

989
00:47:50,520 --> 00:47:52,400
Speaker 1: you know, whether he kind of gets that Le'Veon Bellery

990
00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:54,760
Speaker 1: kind of comes in upright, hopstops and then is like boom,

991
00:47:54,800 --> 00:47:58,360
Speaker 1: He's gone. Quinn John Jenkins is the real deal, and

992
00:47:58,360 --> 00:48:00,319
Speaker 1: if you're the Cleveland Browns, you've got to be old

993
00:48:00,600 --> 00:48:03,440
Speaker 1: with what you've got so far in quin Shawn Jenkins, he's.

994
00:48:03,320 --> 00:48:06,120
Speaker 2: Fifth in the league in yards per game missed a

995
00:48:06,200 --> 00:48:08,080
Speaker 2: game and he's still fifth in the league in that.

996
00:48:08,120 --> 00:48:10,400
Speaker 2: He's fifth in yards per game in the league behind

997
00:48:10,400 --> 00:48:13,400
Speaker 2: just Ettyn Williams Coocaine. He's the best contact his contact

998
00:48:13,440 --> 00:48:16,480
Speaker 2: runner in the league, as you so as you illustrated there,

999
00:48:17,120 --> 00:48:20,160
Speaker 2: I love that you did that yesterday because when I

1000
00:48:20,239 --> 00:48:22,080
Speaker 2: was way back in the process, when I was trying

1001
00:48:22,120 --> 00:48:24,080
Speaker 2: to think of the comparison for him, I was thinking

1002
00:48:24,200 --> 00:48:28,120
Speaker 2: young Kareem Hunt, because they both ran kind of upright

1003
00:48:28,200 --> 00:48:33,560
Speaker 2: and violently would cut. But the Le'Veon bell is a

1004
00:48:33,800 --> 00:48:36,279
Speaker 2: is a really good one. It really is, because what

1005
00:48:36,520 --> 00:48:38,319
Speaker 2: his ability. He did this at Ohio State, he did

1006
00:48:38,360 --> 00:48:40,759
Speaker 2: it at Old Miss before that. But his ability to

1007
00:48:40,880 --> 00:48:43,719
Speaker 2: get to the line of scrimmage and just kind of

1008
00:48:43,760 --> 00:48:48,919
Speaker 2: find his way and then his start stop is so elite. Yeah,

1009
00:48:48,920 --> 00:48:52,520
Speaker 2: I mean, he's he is a Tesla modolesque plaid baby

1010
00:48:52,680 --> 00:48:55,359
Speaker 2: zero to sixty like it's quick, and then he's got

1011
00:48:55,360 --> 00:48:58,279
Speaker 2: the breakaway where you don't you're not catching him and

1012
00:48:58,680 --> 00:49:02,320
Speaker 2: It stinks for him because he really could I had, yeah,

1013
00:49:02,360 --> 00:49:04,320
Speaker 2: you know in the game. He should have on Sunday,

1014
00:49:05,160 --> 00:49:08,120
Speaker 2: you know, probably should have. So yeah, that is an

1015
00:49:08,360 --> 00:49:12,240
Speaker 2: He is an engine of this offense and it hasn't

1016
00:49:12,280 --> 00:49:15,960
Speaker 2: been easy for us offensively anyway. No, he Without him,

1017
00:49:16,360 --> 00:49:18,320
Speaker 2: it's hard to know how you'd go about your business.

1018
00:49:18,360 --> 00:49:21,480
Speaker 2: So he has been an absolute star and everything that

1019
00:49:21,520 --> 00:49:24,000
Speaker 2: you drafted him to be. In terms of where are

1020
00:49:24,040 --> 00:49:27,280
Speaker 2: there answers on this offense? Jake Burns of the Browns

1021
00:49:27,360 --> 00:49:29,560
Speaker 2: Film Breakdown will join us with his thoughts on that.

1022
00:49:29,640 --> 00:49:31,800
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Speaker 2: Keep it Twisted, Cleveland. He is Jake Burns, our buddy

1031
00:49:52,040 --> 00:49:57,360
Speaker 2: from Brown's film breakdown and he joins us. Now, Dylan Gabriel,

1032
00:49:57,480 --> 00:50:00,400
Speaker 2: first start, What did you like? What didn't you like?

1033
00:50:01,200 --> 00:50:05,080
Speaker 5: Yeah, I thought there were some good moments for him

1034
00:50:05,280 --> 00:50:08,960
Speaker 5: inside of structure, when he felt comfortable. I think we

1035
00:50:09,040 --> 00:50:11,560
Speaker 5: can all agree that they're still trying to solve a

1036
00:50:11,560 --> 00:50:13,400
Speaker 5: little bit of what's going on at left tackle. And

1037
00:50:13,440 --> 00:50:15,479
Speaker 5: I think some of the errant throws that you saw

1038
00:50:16,239 --> 00:50:18,799
Speaker 5: pushed high, either out of the back of the end zone,

1039
00:50:18,800 --> 00:50:21,640
Speaker 5: a couple of the sidelines were his way of trying

1040
00:50:21,640 --> 00:50:25,000
Speaker 5: to alleviate some pressure that he knew was imminent and

1041
00:50:25,040 --> 00:50:26,920
Speaker 5: they were going to have some issues, you know, in

1042
00:50:26,960 --> 00:50:29,359
Speaker 5: the one on one he could kind of see through

1043
00:50:29,360 --> 00:50:31,800
Speaker 5: his progressions that he needed to get rid of the football,

1044
00:50:31,800 --> 00:50:33,680
Speaker 5: tried to stay on schedule. That's the stuff I thought

1045
00:50:33,719 --> 00:50:37,320
Speaker 5: was really good, really clean, keeping the football protected, staying

1046
00:50:37,320 --> 00:50:40,239
Speaker 5: on schedule, not taking losses, but also when needing to

1047
00:50:40,920 --> 00:50:44,720
Speaker 5: when calling him into those moments, I thought he stepped

1048
00:50:44,760 --> 00:50:47,480
Speaker 5: up fairly well. The ball up the right sideline right

1049
00:50:47,520 --> 00:50:50,400
Speaker 5: before halftime to David on the high point on that

1050
00:50:50,760 --> 00:50:53,440
Speaker 5: little smash concept, which is a speed out in the corner,

1051
00:50:53,840 --> 00:50:55,680
Speaker 5: put it up where only David could get it. That

1052
00:50:55,760 --> 00:50:58,600
Speaker 5: was a great throw. Had that third and thirteen there

1053
00:50:58,640 --> 00:51:00,680
Speaker 5: in the first half that he put right in the

1054
00:51:00,719 --> 00:51:02,440
Speaker 5: hole of the zone, And that was a really high

1055
00:51:02,560 --> 00:51:05,799
Speaker 5: level throw where you've got seven vikings at the line

1056
00:51:05,800 --> 00:51:07,880
Speaker 5: of scrimmage, you know, kind of feigning whether they were

1057
00:51:07,880 --> 00:51:10,919
Speaker 5: gonna blitz or not. They're punching out, dropping out into

1058
00:51:11,000 --> 00:51:14,600
Speaker 5: like a hybrid zone look out of a three man hybrid.

1059
00:51:14,719 --> 00:51:17,040
Speaker 5: It's really tricky. You almost have to see it to

1060
00:51:17,120 --> 00:51:19,719
Speaker 5: understand it. But it's tough because you're trying to delineate

1061
00:51:20,000 --> 00:51:22,239
Speaker 5: Hey as a zone or man. He puts it to

1062
00:51:22,400 --> 00:51:24,200
Speaker 5: very judy, sits him down kind of right in the

1063
00:51:24,239 --> 00:51:26,359
Speaker 5: hole of coverage there on a third and thirteen which

1064
00:51:26,400 --> 00:51:29,080
Speaker 5: could have been should have been caught and a first

1065
00:51:29,120 --> 00:51:31,120
Speaker 5: down was going to be had there. And then obviously

1066
00:51:31,200 --> 00:51:33,200
Speaker 5: the touchdown ball was a great job of coming off

1067
00:51:33,239 --> 00:51:36,000
Speaker 5: the front side, working to the middle route to David

1068
00:51:36,400 --> 00:51:40,280
Speaker 5: finding his answer, his solution, and then kind of throwing

1069
00:51:40,320 --> 00:51:43,920
Speaker 5: that football around interior pressure, which is something he has

1070
00:51:43,960 --> 00:51:47,200
Speaker 5: to keep proving he can do handle interior line chaos right,

1071
00:51:47,280 --> 00:51:50,160
Speaker 5: find those passing windows. So some really good stuff there.

1072
00:51:50,480 --> 00:51:52,640
Speaker 5: I do think a couple reads he missed, some things

1073
00:51:52,680 --> 00:51:55,440
Speaker 5: he came off early. The obvious messaging to him was

1074
00:51:55,480 --> 00:51:57,920
Speaker 5: to keep the offense on schedule, keep going through things

1075
00:51:58,239 --> 00:52:01,560
Speaker 5: in a quick fashion, understanding what's going on up front

1076
00:52:02,200 --> 00:52:04,839
Speaker 5: and in some of the weaknesses they've had. So if

1077
00:52:04,840 --> 00:52:07,200
Speaker 5: he gets to feeling more comfortable, I'm confident there can

1078
00:52:07,239 --> 00:52:10,279
Speaker 5: be more downfield opportunity. But it was clear the game plan.

1079
00:52:10,440 --> 00:52:12,160
Speaker 5: I'm sure they'll probably try to activate some of the

1080
00:52:12,200 --> 00:52:15,840
Speaker 5: similar thoughts with Pittsburgh this weekend, But I mean the environment,

1081
00:52:16,560 --> 00:52:19,600
Speaker 5: the defense you're facing, nothing but optimism should be hot

1082
00:52:19,600 --> 00:52:21,200
Speaker 5: about how Dylan played Jake.

1083
00:52:21,239 --> 00:52:24,200
Speaker 1: When you look at this Brown's offense and what it

1084
00:52:24,239 --> 00:52:28,760
Speaker 1: has been at its best under Kevin Stefanski, what's happening

1085
00:52:28,840 --> 00:52:31,759
Speaker 1: with the play action game? Has the league caught up

1086
00:52:31,760 --> 00:52:34,920
Speaker 1: to kind of those keepers with the levels concepts? Has

1087
00:52:35,680 --> 00:52:39,040
Speaker 1: We're just not as a team right now getting and

1088
00:52:39,080 --> 00:52:40,719
Speaker 1: we can run the ball effectively. And I know that,

1089
00:52:40,760 --> 00:52:43,319
Speaker 1: you'd say, and everybody does know that on some level

1090
00:52:43,320 --> 00:52:45,600
Speaker 1: it's not necessarily linked to running it effectively, although it

1091
00:52:45,640 --> 00:52:49,319
Speaker 1: certainly can't hurt it. Why are we not able to

1092
00:52:49,520 --> 00:52:53,360
Speaker 1: generate the downfield chunk plays or even intermediate where you

1093
00:52:53,360 --> 00:52:56,120
Speaker 1: get a lot of yak chunk plays off of play

1094
00:52:56,120 --> 00:52:59,160
Speaker 1: action like we had been able to at times in

1095
00:52:59,239 --> 00:52:59,720
Speaker 1: the past.

1096
00:53:00,160 --> 00:53:03,080
Speaker 5: I think that it's obviously the biggest question. It's a

1097
00:53:03,080 --> 00:53:06,040
Speaker 5: great question in terms of how they're you know, when

1098
00:53:06,080 --> 00:53:08,719
Speaker 5: Kevin arrived, I think there was a really big emphasis,

1099
00:53:08,760 --> 00:53:12,439
Speaker 5: if you recall press conferences early portions of his coaching here,

1100
00:53:13,040 --> 00:53:15,040
Speaker 5: that we want to really marry how we run the

1101
00:53:15,040 --> 00:53:17,080
Speaker 5: football to how we throw it. We want to make

1102
00:53:17,160 --> 00:53:20,920
Speaker 5: those two things synonymous and make defenses confused in that way.

1103
00:53:21,520 --> 00:53:25,880
Speaker 5: And I would give it a couple different ways of

1104
00:53:25,960 --> 00:53:29,520
Speaker 5: answering this to your first point, defenses have evolved. I

1105
00:53:29,560 --> 00:53:33,200
Speaker 5: think when Kevin arrived, it was not the way of

1106
00:53:33,239 --> 00:53:36,280
Speaker 5: going about wide zone and play action from under center

1107
00:53:37,000 --> 00:53:39,680
Speaker 5: hadn't quite hit the level of frequency that we have

1108
00:53:39,800 --> 00:53:42,839
Speaker 5: seen in the NFL the last five years. Defenses are

1109
00:53:42,840 --> 00:53:47,480
Speaker 5: getting very comfortable, and really what's impressive is linebackers are

1110
00:53:47,520 --> 00:53:52,000
Speaker 5: getting so much better at reading run, initially feeling out

1111
00:53:52,080 --> 00:53:54,520
Speaker 5: what indicators they need to feel out that it's a pass,

1112
00:53:54,600 --> 00:53:57,760
Speaker 5: and punching out and dropping under zones because you can't

1113
00:53:57,800 --> 00:54:01,160
Speaker 5: get to those intermediate chunk throws, the dee overs, the

1114
00:54:01,239 --> 00:54:04,920
Speaker 5: double moves if linebackers are dropping into those windows and

1115
00:54:04,960 --> 00:54:09,160
Speaker 5: I think defenses are getting really far more advanced at

1116
00:54:09,160 --> 00:54:12,040
Speaker 5: defending those concepts than they used to be. So you

1117
00:54:12,160 --> 00:54:16,800
Speaker 5: see teams dressing up things in a different way. For example,

1118
00:54:17,320 --> 00:54:20,520
Speaker 5: go watch how San Francisco uses Kyle Yustchek their hybrid

1119
00:54:20,560 --> 00:54:23,279
Speaker 5: fullback that they love to put in blocking and then

1120
00:54:23,320 --> 00:54:27,479
Speaker 5: melt into concepts and routes that create some advantages for them.

1121
00:54:27,920 --> 00:54:30,600
Speaker 5: Then also simultaneously, if you can go watch how the

1122
00:54:30,680 --> 00:54:33,880
Speaker 5: Rams do wide receiver inserts. They'll take their wide receivers,

1123
00:54:34,320 --> 00:54:36,560
Speaker 5: use them as a part of their blocking operation. Out

1124
00:54:36,560 --> 00:54:39,200
Speaker 5: of eleven personnel, three wide receivers and a running back,

1125
00:54:39,640 --> 00:54:42,200
Speaker 5: have them be blockers at times, be really tough at

1126
00:54:42,200 --> 00:54:43,920
Speaker 5: that point of it, but then also sneak through the

1127
00:54:43,920 --> 00:54:47,200
Speaker 5: line of scrimmage and get out on routes to open

1128
00:54:47,280 --> 00:54:50,520
Speaker 5: up some different looks the defenses aren't quite accustomed to seeing.

1129
00:54:50,600 --> 00:54:53,359
Speaker 5: So really, what you're trying to do, and I think

1130
00:54:53,400 --> 00:54:56,560
Speaker 5: what the best offenses are doing right now is giving

1131
00:54:56,640 --> 00:55:00,719
Speaker 5: defenses confusion in different ways, right not the tradition bootleg

1132
00:55:00,800 --> 00:55:04,239
Speaker 5: to a levels concept, not the traditional straight drop into

1133
00:55:04,239 --> 00:55:07,080
Speaker 5: a two man match protect route. They've seen that that's

1134
00:55:07,120 --> 00:55:11,000
Speaker 5: been in front of them because of the over. You know,

1135
00:55:11,239 --> 00:55:13,920
Speaker 5: I think it's just it's just becomes so saturated in

1136
00:55:13,960 --> 00:55:16,560
Speaker 5: the NFL. And this is a credit to what you know,

1137
00:55:16,760 --> 00:55:20,200
Speaker 5: you know Shanahan has done and what ultimately McVeigh has done,

1138
00:55:20,239 --> 00:55:22,839
Speaker 5: and all of their disciples does spread across the league

1139
00:55:22,880 --> 00:55:25,120
Speaker 5: and even the Kubiaks, right, and that's where Kevin comes from.

1140
00:55:25,200 --> 00:55:26,839
Speaker 5: The Kubiak tree. You track it all the way back

1141
00:55:26,880 --> 00:55:29,600
Speaker 5: to Denver when Shanahan and Kubiak were together those Super

1142
00:55:29,640 --> 00:55:34,480
Speaker 5: Bowl teams. It just has turned into this offensive structure

1143
00:55:34,520 --> 00:55:38,480
Speaker 5: that is very saturated, and a byproduct of that is

1144
00:55:38,520 --> 00:55:41,040
Speaker 5: the defenses are better at defending it than they've ever

1145
00:55:41,120 --> 00:55:43,840
Speaker 5: been because they've been exposed to it so much more often.

1146
00:55:43,920 --> 00:55:46,600
Speaker 5: Most of the time, most of these places have core

1147
00:55:46,640 --> 00:55:48,560
Speaker 5: elements of it that their own team is running. So

1148
00:55:48,640 --> 00:55:51,080
Speaker 5: not only are they preparing for you in game week,

1149
00:55:51,440 --> 00:55:53,920
Speaker 5: they're seeing their own offense run it in opas and

1150
00:55:54,000 --> 00:55:56,520
Speaker 5: mini camp and training camp, and it just has become

1151
00:55:57,160 --> 00:55:59,319
Speaker 5: second nature. So you are trying to see teams do

1152
00:55:59,440 --> 00:56:02,200
Speaker 5: different things. Hey, when we're under center, instead of it

1153
00:56:02,239 --> 00:56:04,440
Speaker 5: only being a runner play action, we're gonna five step

1154
00:56:04,480 --> 00:56:06,399
Speaker 5: drop out of it and make it confusing for them.

1155
00:56:06,680 --> 00:56:09,120
Speaker 5: Let's do that let's get them out of the mode

1156
00:56:09,200 --> 00:56:11,480
Speaker 5: of like when we're under center, it's either run or

1157
00:56:11,480 --> 00:56:13,719
Speaker 5: play action. Now let's straight drop off of it, try

1158
00:56:13,760 --> 00:56:16,560
Speaker 5: to create some downfield opportunities. I think teams are trying

1159
00:56:17,080 --> 00:56:20,040
Speaker 5: different things. I would say that the Browns are not

1160
00:56:20,200 --> 00:56:22,239
Speaker 5: at the forefront of that right now. I think there's

1161
00:56:22,280 --> 00:56:24,839
Speaker 5: some stuff there that they could be doing. I can't

1162
00:56:24,880 --> 00:56:26,799
Speaker 5: speak to what their guys can handle and what their

1163
00:56:26,840 --> 00:56:30,160
Speaker 5: belief is about getting that accomplished, but there's some things

1164
00:56:30,160 --> 00:56:33,839
Speaker 5: that I think are missing for them to capitalize on

1165
00:56:33,920 --> 00:56:37,400
Speaker 5: what Quinn Shawn Judkins is doing because he's creating rushing

1166
00:56:37,520 --> 00:56:40,359
Speaker 5: yards for them in a very unique way. So what

1167
00:56:40,400 --> 00:56:43,160
Speaker 5: they got to get better at is marrying some of

1168
00:56:43,200 --> 00:56:46,560
Speaker 5: the looks of the things he's doing well with some

1169
00:56:46,760 --> 00:56:49,880
Speaker 5: opportunities to find chunk plays off of those same looks.

1170
00:56:49,960 --> 00:56:52,080
Speaker 5: That's something that's just not happening right now.

1171
00:56:52,719 --> 00:56:56,080
Speaker 1: And to that, I mean, I don't feel like, you know,

1172
00:56:56,080 --> 00:56:57,560
Speaker 1: you talked about some of the other teams that do

1173
00:56:57,600 --> 00:57:00,000
Speaker 1: this so well and the Rams, and obviously you mentioned

1174
00:57:00,040 --> 00:57:02,919
Speaker 1: some things they do differently, but with Stafford or with

1175
00:57:03,120 --> 00:57:05,880
Speaker 1: you know, the Niners, whether it be Purty or mac Jones,

1176
00:57:06,080 --> 00:57:08,080
Speaker 1: they do such a better job of attacking the middle

1177
00:57:08,080 --> 00:57:10,839
Speaker 1: of the field, and it feels like we only are

1178
00:57:10,840 --> 00:57:12,080
Speaker 1: in the middle of the field. If it's like a

1179
00:57:12,120 --> 00:57:14,200
Speaker 1: stick route, if it's just a quick kind of short

1180
00:57:14,280 --> 00:57:16,200
Speaker 1: hitter over the middle, or if it's one where you're

1181
00:57:16,240 --> 00:57:17,840
Speaker 1: checking it down and you let the zones kind of

1182
00:57:17,880 --> 00:57:20,200
Speaker 1: drop and then you throw it underneath them. How do

1183
00:57:20,280 --> 00:57:22,680
Speaker 1: we get kind of that middle of the field back,

1184
00:57:22,720 --> 00:57:25,240
Speaker 1: because that is when you watch a lot of the offenses.

1185
00:57:25,960 --> 00:57:27,920
Speaker 1: Sure there are big plays down the field to the outside,

1186
00:57:27,920 --> 00:57:29,520
Speaker 1: we're not really throwing the ball more than twenty yards

1187
00:57:29,520 --> 00:57:31,360
Speaker 1: in the air very often. Certainly Dylan Gabriel did not

1188
00:57:31,360 --> 00:57:33,120
Speaker 1: do until the last drive of that game. And you're

1189
00:57:33,120 --> 00:57:35,000
Speaker 1: playing a team that plays more too high than anybody,

1190
00:57:35,000 --> 00:57:37,000
Speaker 1: So I understand that on some level. But if it

1191
00:57:37,040 --> 00:57:39,400
Speaker 1: teams the others playing more too high than anybody, one

1192
00:57:39,400 --> 00:57:42,080
Speaker 1: of the vulnerabilities is the middle of the field, and

1193
00:57:42,200 --> 00:57:44,400
Speaker 1: we just it feels like we're not living there. Are

1194
00:57:44,400 --> 00:57:47,560
Speaker 1: you seeing something schematically or is it just is it

1195
00:57:47,640 --> 00:57:49,760
Speaker 1: timing issues? Is it because our tight ends and the

1196
00:57:49,760 --> 00:57:51,840
Speaker 1: guys that would work a lot of those teams are

1197
00:57:51,880 --> 00:57:54,000
Speaker 1: forced to chip so often that they can't get into

1198
00:57:54,040 --> 00:57:56,240
Speaker 1: those routes. Why are we not able to really work

1199
00:57:56,280 --> 00:57:57,960
Speaker 1: that middle of the field.

1200
00:57:58,000 --> 00:58:00,160
Speaker 5: Great stuff there, I mean that some of the those

1201
00:58:00,200 --> 00:58:04,400
Speaker 5: things are the problem, right, Like they're forced two right now.

1202
00:58:04,440 --> 00:58:07,520
Speaker 5: Maybe this rectifies if some things improve as Jack gets

1203
00:58:07,560 --> 00:58:09,640
Speaker 5: healthier and they maybe give Cam Robinson a little bit

1204
00:58:09,680 --> 00:58:12,640
Speaker 5: up or KT gets more experience, gets a little better

1205
00:58:12,680 --> 00:58:16,160
Speaker 5: at this as he goes. But like they're not protecting well,

1206
00:58:16,280 --> 00:58:19,280
Speaker 5: and they know they're not protecting well, and from that

1207
00:58:19,480 --> 00:58:22,240
Speaker 5: issue that is in house, they know it. They have

1208
00:58:22,360 --> 00:58:25,200
Speaker 5: to chip either a running back a tight end or

1209
00:58:25,240 --> 00:58:28,840
Speaker 5: two tight ends. And like you said, when you do that,

1210
00:58:28,840 --> 00:58:31,160
Speaker 5: that's like a second to a second and a half.

1211
00:58:31,200 --> 00:58:34,280
Speaker 5: They're not out on any route. Think about how long

1212
00:58:34,400 --> 00:58:37,120
Speaker 5: dropbacks are in time to throw, usually like two and

1213
00:58:37,160 --> 00:58:39,560
Speaker 5: a quarter to three seconds. And if you've got a

1214
00:58:39,560 --> 00:58:41,960
Speaker 5: guy who's got to slow down and opposing edge rusher

1215
00:58:41,960 --> 00:58:45,280
Speaker 5: from getting up field, that eliminates two of those routes

1216
00:58:45,320 --> 00:58:49,200
Speaker 5: from having significant implications on the defense. Period. Now you

1217
00:58:49,200 --> 00:58:51,600
Speaker 5: could get to a checkdown. Sometimes they don't cover it,

1218
00:58:51,640 --> 00:58:54,200
Speaker 5: sometimes they do. Sometimes zone stresses it. But like the

1219
00:58:54,280 --> 00:58:58,000
Speaker 5: consistency of finding things off that you just can't do

1220
00:58:58,120 --> 00:59:01,400
Speaker 5: it down to down. So it's that also again tracking

1221
00:59:01,400 --> 00:59:04,000
Speaker 5: this back to some protection stuff they've struggled with. They're

1222
00:59:04,040 --> 00:59:07,320
Speaker 5: seeing more man coverage than anybody else. They have seventy

1223
00:59:07,320 --> 00:59:12,439
Speaker 5: eight dropbacks against man coverage right now than the team

1224
00:59:12,480 --> 00:59:15,680
Speaker 5: below them is second place, has sixty eight, ten more

1225
00:59:15,720 --> 00:59:19,040
Speaker 5: steps in this look. Because teams are saying, I'm just

1226
00:59:19,080 --> 00:59:21,560
Speaker 5: telling you what teams are saying. We don't think you

1227
00:59:21,600 --> 00:59:24,400
Speaker 5: can separate. We don't think you have a schematic advantage

1228
00:59:24,440 --> 00:59:26,480
Speaker 5: over us to make it hard for us, whether that's

1229
00:59:26,920 --> 00:59:31,960
Speaker 5: tight bunch alignments with differentiating releases that make some responsibilities tricky.

1230
00:59:32,200 --> 00:59:34,960
Speaker 5: You don't have rub route concepts that are effective. The

1231
00:59:35,080 --> 00:59:37,480
Speaker 5: motion doesn't threaten us in a way that scares us,

1232
00:59:37,760 --> 00:59:41,160
Speaker 5: And we don't think just in general, you can protect

1233
00:59:41,280 --> 00:59:45,360
Speaker 5: long enough to let downfield man beating routes to develop.

1234
00:59:45,680 --> 00:59:48,320
Speaker 5: That's the issue. There's no other issue to me than that.

1235
00:59:48,320 --> 00:59:52,320
Speaker 5: That's the single biggest thing. Routes against man take longer

1236
00:59:52,360 --> 00:59:55,680
Speaker 5: to develop because it usually involves either some sort of

1237
00:59:56,000 --> 00:59:58,880
Speaker 5: two cut route or a route that needs a longer

1238
00:59:58,920 --> 01:00:01,440
Speaker 5: period of time to either work across the field or

1239
01:00:01,560 --> 01:00:04,400
Speaker 5: rub against some other route. And that is that Browns

1240
01:00:04,440 --> 01:00:06,720
Speaker 5: don't have time to get to it. They just can't

1241
01:00:06,760 --> 01:00:10,960
Speaker 5: find him because there's not enough time consistently. So that's

1242
01:00:11,000 --> 01:00:13,520
Speaker 5: why defenses are saying and pretty much I have to

1243
01:00:13,600 --> 01:00:15,000
Speaker 5: I kind of got to go back and double check this.

1244
01:00:15,080 --> 01:00:17,640
Speaker 5: But through the first four weeks, every defensive plays have

1245
01:00:17,720 --> 01:00:22,280
Speaker 5: played more man coverage than they typically like because they

1246
01:00:22,320 --> 01:00:25,360
Speaker 5: know they're gonna get home and the routes aren't gonna

1247
01:00:25,360 --> 01:00:27,200
Speaker 5: get open in time more often than not. And they're

1248
01:00:27,240 --> 01:00:30,720
Speaker 5: not worried about leaving guys on an island because of that.

1249
01:00:31,240 --> 01:00:36,240
Speaker 5: So they've got to solve that schematically. Different looks, different motions,

1250
01:00:36,240 --> 01:00:39,360
Speaker 5: and I'm talking purposeful motions. Motions aren't just moving the

1251
01:00:39,360 --> 01:00:41,360
Speaker 5: guy to tell you whether it's man or zone. I

1252
01:00:41,440 --> 01:00:43,600
Speaker 5: need you to move a guy to get him into

1253
01:00:43,600 --> 01:00:47,440
Speaker 5: a position to upset somebody else's trail coverage defender, or

1254
01:00:47,640 --> 01:00:51,160
Speaker 5: set a natural rub, or set a confusing setup where

1255
01:00:51,680 --> 01:00:54,640
Speaker 5: him going from number three outside to number one inside

1256
01:00:55,000 --> 01:00:58,240
Speaker 5: makes him makes the pass off of coverage confuse who's

1257
01:00:58,280 --> 01:01:01,200
Speaker 5: responsible for who? We got to like? That's where I

1258
01:01:01,240 --> 01:01:04,040
Speaker 5: think this offense figures some of this out. They've got

1259
01:01:04,080 --> 01:01:08,040
Speaker 5: to get unique, diverse, and different against man coverage looks

1260
01:01:08,080 --> 01:01:10,200
Speaker 5: that are not going to slow down anytime soon because

1261
01:01:10,200 --> 01:01:13,640
Speaker 5: if they don't and they can't rectify the issues and

1262
01:01:13,720 --> 01:01:16,600
Speaker 5: finding guys open, you're gonna see quarterbacks taking sets and

1263
01:01:16,600 --> 01:01:19,440
Speaker 5: you're going to see throwaways because they can't separate. If

1264
01:01:19,440 --> 01:01:22,800
Speaker 5: it's predictable and the defense is comfortable playing on their

1265
01:01:22,840 --> 01:01:25,880
Speaker 5: toes and not their heels and playing that forward press

1266
01:01:25,920 --> 01:01:28,800
Speaker 5: man coverage stuff, that's where the field feels like. Man,

1267
01:01:28,840 --> 01:01:30,640
Speaker 5: it feels like the Browns are playing inside of like

1268
01:01:30,640 --> 01:01:32,000
Speaker 5: a thirty by thirty box and.

1269
01:01:32,080 --> 01:01:33,040
Speaker 4: It can't get out tough.

1270
01:01:33,160 --> 01:01:34,680
Speaker 1: It's compressed. And I think one of the things you

1271
01:01:34,680 --> 01:01:38,360
Speaker 1: talked about with the motion and motion that really matters

1272
01:01:38,440 --> 01:01:40,000
Speaker 1: is some of the teams. You know, we talk about

1273
01:01:40,040 --> 01:01:44,080
Speaker 1: the Rams, We've mentioned them. Chicago's doing it with Ben Johnson,

1274
01:01:44,120 --> 01:01:47,800
Speaker 1: the Chiefs are doing it quite a bit, obviously, you

1275
01:01:47,880 --> 01:01:49,640
Speaker 1: got in Denver. I'm just looking at some of the teams.

1276
01:01:49,680 --> 01:01:51,640
Speaker 1: These are the teams that have faced the highest percentage

1277
01:01:51,640 --> 01:01:55,200
Speaker 1: of busted coverages. And part of that because that motion

1278
01:01:55,440 --> 01:01:57,520
Speaker 1: can put stress on the rules and all of a

1279
01:01:57,520 --> 01:01:59,120
Speaker 1: sudden you have guys who have to communicate or make

1280
01:01:59,160 --> 01:02:01,720
Speaker 1: split second decision and it leads the bus. The Browns

1281
01:02:01,720 --> 01:02:04,320
Speaker 1: have faced the fewest busted coverages in the NFL, and

1282
01:02:04,400 --> 01:02:06,680
Speaker 1: I don't know if that's anecdotal. I don't know if

1283
01:02:06,680 --> 01:02:09,200
Speaker 1: it's tied into what we're talking about here or not,

1284
01:02:09,400 --> 01:02:12,080
Speaker 1: but it's one other kind of a data point there.

1285
01:02:12,080 --> 01:02:15,280
Speaker 1: And sometimes, you know, you need those chunks and you

1286
01:02:15,360 --> 01:02:17,880
Speaker 1: need those busts to make things easy. That's how you

1287
01:02:17,960 --> 01:02:19,920
Speaker 1: get there. Because as we know, we haven't gotten been

1288
01:02:19,960 --> 01:02:22,480
Speaker 1: able to get you know, to twenty points so far

1289
01:02:22,840 --> 01:02:25,720
Speaker 1: this season. It's been ten straight games in doing so.

1290
01:02:25,800 --> 01:02:27,440
Speaker 1: There's still a lot of good and a lot of

1291
01:02:27,480 --> 01:02:30,720
Speaker 1: things to like, but I really don't know how we

1292
01:02:30,800 --> 01:02:34,120
Speaker 1: can get there kind of mid season, and maybe hopefully

1293
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Speaker 1: we can well.

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Speaker 5: I think a great example of this, I tried to

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Speaker 5: post yesterday on our Twitter feed Brownstone beating and it

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Speaker 5: was a route and there was no motion tied to this.

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Speaker 5: Because I want to be clear, motion doesn't solve all

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Speaker 5: your problems. I know you guys don't think this. I'm

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Speaker 5: just reminding the audience like, it doesn't solve all the problems,

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01:02:49,880 --> 01:02:52,600
Speaker 5: but it certainly creates more problems for the defense than

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01:02:52,640 --> 01:02:55,480
Speaker 5: they want. So giving them more of that, making them

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01:02:55,480 --> 01:02:59,160
Speaker 5: prepare for more of that does lead to confusion, and

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01:02:59,200 --> 01:03:02,120
Speaker 5: it takes three he plays a confusion to have twenty

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01:03:02,160 --> 01:03:03,760
Speaker 5: one points on the board at the end of the game,

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01:03:03,840 --> 01:03:06,520
Speaker 5: which is a place the Browns can't find consistently enough.

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01:03:06,520 --> 01:03:09,400
Speaker 5: But like a great example of why they're not getting

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01:03:09,400 --> 01:03:12,960
Speaker 5: to these throws. There's a three by one concept in

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01:03:13,000 --> 01:03:15,720
Speaker 5: the second quarter where Isaiah bar is to the left,

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01:03:15,800 --> 01:03:18,000
Speaker 5: young receiver trying to learn the game, trying to fit in,

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01:03:18,240 --> 01:03:21,080
Speaker 5: playing above his feet a little bit ye and there's

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Speaker 5: no motion on this play. It's just a three y

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Speaker 5: one and David's running up the seam as the number

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Speaker 5: one inside receiver closest to the to the tackle box.

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Speaker 5: Right coming off the snap, Dylan's looking left side. Bond

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01:03:33,760 --> 01:03:36,200
Speaker 5: doesn't really run around. He gets collisioned at five. It's

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Speaker 5: kind of a nothing thing from him. I don't know

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Speaker 5: if he didn't know what was going on call wise

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Speaker 5: in the two minute whatever, But like Dylan's looking left,

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01:03:44,600 --> 01:03:47,320
Speaker 5: he wants to first check if he can find Isaiah

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Speaker 5: for a quick throw to the sideline. He doesn't really

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Speaker 5: run around, but as he's looking left, his left tackle

1322
01:03:52,960 --> 01:03:55,920
Speaker 5: is beat so cleanly he feels the need to just

1323
01:03:55,960 --> 01:03:57,680
Speaker 5: throw it over his head, where if he could just

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01:03:57,760 --> 01:04:01,240
Speaker 5: slide up a bit and look back, David's running with

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01:04:01,320 --> 01:04:05,040
Speaker 5: nobody around him, and it's just it's a microcosm of

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01:04:05,120 --> 01:04:08,040
Speaker 5: their biggest issue. One play, it's a receiver not running

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Speaker 5: the right route or finishing to catch. Another play, it's

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01:04:10,440 --> 01:04:12,640
Speaker 5: a quarterback maybe not getting to who he's supposed to

1329
01:04:12,720 --> 01:04:15,479
Speaker 5: get to because his internal clock is sped up. Another play,

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Speaker 5: it's an offensive tackle or a guard kind of just

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01:04:18,040 --> 01:04:21,880
Speaker 5: losing somebody and creating that momentary pressure that distracts the quarterback.

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Speaker 5: And then sometimes it's like they're just not dressing it

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Speaker 5: up well enough to make defenses confused. It's an everybody issue,

1334
01:04:28,080 --> 01:04:32,520
Speaker 5: to be clear, but it's like, you gotta figure this out.

1335
01:04:32,720 --> 01:04:35,120
Speaker 5: It's week six and you got to figure it out soon,

1336
01:04:35,200 --> 01:04:38,920
Speaker 5: or you're looking at more unfortunate results. It's just it's

1337
01:04:38,960 --> 01:04:40,400
Speaker 5: a crisis they've got to solve.

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Speaker 1: All right, let's just slip it to the defense really quickly,

1339
01:04:42,560 --> 01:04:44,480
Speaker 1: because the defense is still playing well. Obviously, they give

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Speaker 1: up that long drive at the end, which was unfortunate,

1341
01:04:46,520 --> 01:04:49,800
Speaker 1: but you know, three sacks. They did get the two turnovers,

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Speaker 1: but didn't generate pressure. I think the way that many

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01:04:52,840 --> 01:04:55,640
Speaker 1: of us expected going into this game, particularly with the

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01:04:55,680 --> 01:04:58,400
Speaker 1: issues on the line, of the Vikings, particularly with the

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01:04:58,440 --> 01:05:00,520
Speaker 1: fact they were sacked six times the week before, they'd

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01:05:00,520 --> 01:05:02,920
Speaker 1: given up the most sacks in the league. What did

1347
01:05:02,960 --> 01:05:04,760
Speaker 1: you see when you put the tape on in this one?

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01:05:04,920 --> 01:05:07,240
Speaker 1: Up front? Because there was a lot of good, but

1349
01:05:07,320 --> 01:05:10,040
Speaker 1: it certainly was not the jail break to the quarterback

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01:05:10,080 --> 01:05:12,760
Speaker 1: that I think many people envisioned. And certainly, you know,

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Speaker 1: I know it's not that easy. There's still professionals on

1352
01:05:14,720 --> 01:05:16,400
Speaker 1: the other side. But I felt like we were gonna

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01:05:16,440 --> 01:05:19,200
Speaker 1: be harassing Carson Wentz a lot more than maybe we

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01:05:19,240 --> 01:05:20,040
Speaker 1: did in that game.

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Speaker 5: Kevin O'Connor was good at this man, and I think

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01:05:22,280 --> 01:05:26,680
Speaker 5: he really his plan with Carson was as much as

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01:05:26,720 --> 01:05:29,520
Speaker 5: we can keep the Browns out of blitz situations and

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01:05:29,560 --> 01:05:31,480
Speaker 5: as much as we can get rid of the football

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01:05:32,120 --> 01:05:35,000
Speaker 5: as fast as possible. It's just gonna keep us in

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01:05:35,040 --> 01:05:38,560
Speaker 5: a more harmonious place. So yeah, I mean, listen, the

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01:05:38,600 --> 01:05:41,200
Speaker 5: Browns need a ball winner at wide receiver. What I

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01:05:41,240 --> 01:05:43,040
Speaker 5: mean by a ball winner's a guy who like, hey,

1363
01:05:43,040 --> 01:05:45,120
Speaker 5: nothing's open, I'm gonna throw it up to that guy.

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01:05:45,280 --> 01:05:48,480
Speaker 5: Justin Jefferson's He's a unicorn right now, right, So like

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01:05:48,560 --> 01:05:50,920
Speaker 5: that helped. Yeah, we're gonna throw a fade on Denzel.

1366
01:05:51,000 --> 01:05:54,520
Speaker 5: Denzel's in like textbook coverage, but he's still gonna come

1367
01:05:54,560 --> 01:05:56,880
Speaker 5: down with it or some other like that's gonna happen.

1368
01:05:57,240 --> 01:06:00,240
Speaker 5: But the point that I was concerned about was like

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01:06:01,120 --> 01:06:04,520
Speaker 5: taking that away no matter what, Like, we want to

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01:06:04,560 --> 01:06:07,400
Speaker 5: make Carson come off of the first read, and I

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01:06:07,440 --> 01:06:10,600
Speaker 5: didn't feel like there was enough coming off the first

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01:06:10,680 --> 01:06:13,160
Speaker 5: read and making him hold on to the ball in

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01:06:13,200 --> 01:06:15,760
Speaker 5: a really meaningful way that allows you to get home.

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01:06:15,800 --> 01:06:19,360
Speaker 5: Because obviously, like you can have a great pass rush

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01:06:19,400 --> 01:06:21,400
Speaker 5: with four and drop seven, but if they're able to

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01:06:21,480 --> 01:06:24,040
Speaker 5: find ways to throw it quick, either high percentage or

1377
01:06:24,120 --> 01:06:27,720
Speaker 5: load percentage, you still have to be able to have

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01:06:27,920 --> 01:06:30,600
Speaker 5: enough time to mess with that. And I thought, yeah,

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01:06:30,640 --> 01:06:33,120
Speaker 5: the vikings on some of the longer holds did hold

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01:06:33,200 --> 01:06:35,840
Speaker 5: up well enough. Carson was able to kind of sneak

1381
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Speaker 5: out of a few of those. But to me, for

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01:06:38,360 --> 01:06:41,000
Speaker 5: the most part, like this one came down to a

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01:06:41,000 --> 01:06:43,840
Speaker 5: pretty clean game plan of almost isolating aside, we're gonna

1384
01:06:43,880 --> 01:06:46,520
Speaker 5: go half field reads, let's get the football out quick,

1385
01:06:46,520 --> 01:06:49,000
Speaker 5: and then we're gonna run some very calculated play action

1386
01:06:49,160 --> 01:06:52,920
Speaker 5: concepts that again isolate a player on a single player

1387
01:06:52,920 --> 01:06:54,919
Speaker 5: that we think we can take advantage of the goal

1388
01:06:55,040 --> 01:06:58,240
Speaker 5: was to keep Carson fluidly getting rid of the football

1389
01:06:58,600 --> 01:07:01,040
Speaker 5: as quick as they possibly can hand, and they did

1390
01:07:01,080 --> 01:07:03,720
Speaker 5: a pretty good job of that. So you know, again,

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Speaker 5: to their credit, I thought they did what they needed

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Speaker 5: to do. And I think this is a breaking not

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01:07:07,600 --> 01:07:09,560
Speaker 5: a breaking point, but this is something the Browns need

1394
01:07:09,600 --> 01:07:12,160
Speaker 5: to get prepared for. I'm pretty sure I have to

1395
01:07:12,200 --> 01:07:14,320
Speaker 5: double check the data, but Pittsburgh gets the ball out

1396
01:07:14,360 --> 01:07:17,400
Speaker 5: faster than anybody in the NFL. Right now, Aaron Rodgers

1397
01:07:17,440 --> 01:07:20,080
Speaker 5: wants to get the thing out of his hands. Bubble screens,

1398
01:07:20,160 --> 01:07:23,480
Speaker 5: quick screens, like very quick concepts meant to get it

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01:07:23,480 --> 01:07:25,440
Speaker 5: out so that he doesn't have to a at his

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01:07:25,560 --> 01:07:28,160
Speaker 5: age get hit very often. But b they know the

1401
01:07:28,680 --> 01:07:31,880
Speaker 5: hindrance of some of their passing protection stuff, so they're

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01:07:31,920 --> 01:07:34,840
Speaker 5: gonna do that again. They've only thrown the football six

1403
01:07:34,960 --> 01:07:38,320
Speaker 5: times twenty eight yards or more, so there's your sign

1404
01:07:38,800 --> 01:07:40,440
Speaker 5: they want to get rid of it quick. How are

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01:07:40,440 --> 01:07:43,320
Speaker 5: the Browns going to combat that to make them uncomfortable?

1406
01:07:43,360 --> 01:07:45,360
Speaker 5: You can't play man one hundred percent of the time,

1407
01:07:45,800 --> 01:07:47,640
Speaker 5: So what zone looks are you going to give them?

1408
01:07:47,960 --> 01:07:50,040
Speaker 5: Browns are liking to play more cover two and more

1409
01:07:50,080 --> 01:07:53,000
Speaker 5: Cover six. They're open to doing that. They've tried it obviously.

1410
01:07:53,040 --> 01:07:55,439
Speaker 5: The final snap of Cover two burnt them. But they're

1411
01:07:55,480 --> 01:07:59,400
Speaker 5: trying to get mixed pre snapped, a post snap that's

1412
01:07:59,440 --> 01:08:01,680
Speaker 5: been very urging this year, making it look like man

1413
01:08:01,720 --> 01:08:05,240
Speaker 5: but dropping into zone, having more offman instead of press man,

1414
01:08:05,280 --> 01:08:07,240
Speaker 5: so it looks a little bit like zone pre snap

1415
01:08:07,280 --> 01:08:10,600
Speaker 5: before it comes ultimately into a man coverage. I like

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01:08:10,640 --> 01:08:13,480
Speaker 5: what they're doing, but the teams that throw it quick

1417
01:08:14,240 --> 01:08:17,040
Speaker 5: have given them some trouble because then your pass rush

1418
01:08:17,080 --> 01:08:20,240
Speaker 5: doesn't get into that you know, eat them alive mode

1419
01:08:20,240 --> 01:08:22,920
Speaker 5: that makes them really special. You start to think all

1420
01:08:22,960 --> 01:08:24,880
Speaker 5: the ball is gonna be out before I even get home.

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01:08:24,960 --> 01:08:26,920
Speaker 5: You start to get worn down. It's just it's a

1422
01:08:27,000 --> 01:08:29,559
Speaker 5: it's a domino effect. So I think it's if you're

1423
01:08:29,560 --> 01:08:33,200
Speaker 5: gonna beat Aaron and Pittsburgh, and Pittsburgh, it's making Aaron

1424
01:08:33,320 --> 01:08:36,320
Speaker 5: uncomfortable prestaff to post snap and he's got to hold

1425
01:08:36,360 --> 01:08:38,320
Speaker 5: on to it a little bit longer. They're doing everything

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01:08:38,360 --> 01:08:42,080
Speaker 5: they can in Pittsburgh to stop doing that. We'll see

1427
01:08:42,120 --> 01:08:45,480
Speaker 5: if the Browns can combat it while also understanding Pittsburgh.

1428
01:08:45,479 --> 01:08:47,720
Speaker 5: In a bye week self scouting, they know the same

1429
01:08:47,800 --> 01:08:50,320
Speaker 5: data we do. I am curious if they're gonna try

1430
01:08:50,360 --> 01:08:52,880
Speaker 5: to chase some bigger throws in this game simultaneously. That's

1431
01:08:52,880 --> 01:08:55,040
Speaker 5: a little bit of the danger of playing a team

1432
01:08:55,080 --> 01:08:56,200
Speaker 5: coming off their own bye week.

1433
01:08:56,479 --> 01:08:58,280
Speaker 2: Jake, you're the best man. Thank you so much for

1434
01:08:58,360 --> 01:09:01,240
Speaker 2: your perspective as always, and greatly appreciate your time.

1435
01:09:01,160 --> 01:09:03,360
Speaker 1: To check out his stuff. I mean you guys for people.

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01:09:03,360 --> 01:09:06,960
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Browns Film Breakdown at Brown's Film BDN on Twitter.

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01:09:07,080 --> 01:09:08,760
Speaker 1: Check it out. It was funny. While I was like this,

1438
01:09:08,800 --> 01:09:11,160
Speaker 1: Zash was texting me the picture of the play, the

1439
01:09:11,240 --> 01:09:13,280
Speaker 1: video of the play where they about with na Joke

1440
01:09:13,280 --> 01:09:15,160
Speaker 1: Coud running down the middle of the field. Was just

1441
01:09:15,200 --> 01:09:16,799
Speaker 1: turn on the radio right now. The guy he's breaking

1442
01:09:16,840 --> 01:09:18,840
Speaker 1: it down, breaking it down, He's breaking it down. Thanks Jake,

1443
01:09:18,920 --> 01:09:19,479
Speaker 1: appreciate you.

1444
01:09:20,160 --> 01:09:22,240
Speaker 5: Thank thanks guys, thanks for having me anytime.

1445
01:09:22,320 --> 01:09:24,360
Speaker 2: Love the show all right there he goes Jake Burns

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Speaker 1: By the way, I have one thought real quickly. We

1459
01:10:01,760 --> 01:10:04,080
Speaker 1: were just going through talking jump shots. Yeah, who was

1460
01:10:04,120 --> 01:10:05,519
Speaker 1: your like? What was your jump shot?

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01:10:05,600 --> 01:10:05,720
Speaker 5: Like?

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01:10:05,960 --> 01:10:06,360
Speaker 3: Model?

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01:10:06,640 --> 01:10:09,559
Speaker 1: Who did you? Rex? Liked?

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Speaker 2: We grew up in a very different world because when

1465
01:10:13,080 --> 01:10:15,280
Speaker 2: we're all men were forty. When we were kids, people

1466
01:10:15,280 --> 01:10:18,920
Speaker 2: didn't change your shot. They took your shot and then

1467
01:10:19,000 --> 01:10:21,160
Speaker 2: ex situated what made it positive.

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01:10:21,360 --> 01:10:22,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's how like.

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01:10:22,720 --> 01:10:25,080
Speaker 2: When when I tell like my kids all the Larry

1470
01:10:25,080 --> 01:10:27,439
Speaker 2: Bird now that Larry Bird's the best shooter I've ever seen,

1471
01:10:27,479 --> 01:10:30,200
Speaker 2: They're like, daddy shot over his head. What are you

1472
01:10:30,240 --> 01:10:32,640
Speaker 2: talking about? And I'm like, well, that's the way we

1473
01:10:32,760 --> 01:10:34,880
Speaker 2: used to teach it. They didn't teach it. So now

1474
01:10:35,400 --> 01:10:39,920
Speaker 2: every kid is taught to shoot like Steph. So that's

1475
01:10:39,920 --> 01:10:42,800
Speaker 2: what they all. It's all straight up. It's just here,

1476
01:10:42,960 --> 01:10:45,800
Speaker 2: it's just that that's how they're all taught. So yeah,

1477
01:10:45,840 --> 01:10:49,400
Speaker 2: I was a higher release point too, and so it

1478
01:10:49,479 --> 01:10:52,280
Speaker 2: was I don't know that I modeled it. I can't

1479
01:10:52,320 --> 01:10:55,720
Speaker 2: remember modeling it after anybody. It was just effective and

1480
01:10:55,760 --> 01:10:57,439
Speaker 2: so that's what I used. But I also never had

1481
01:10:57,439 --> 01:10:58,240
Speaker 2: anybody change it.

1482
01:10:58,320 --> 01:11:00,160
Speaker 1: I was trying to be like Rex, get little Lake

1483
01:11:00,240 --> 01:11:02,920
Speaker 1: kickouts coming around the screen. I feel like, give Bay

1484
01:11:02,960 --> 01:11:05,439
Speaker 1: shot in my mind would be like Bill Cartwright's be

1485
01:11:05,479 --> 01:11:07,559
Speaker 1: amazing if it was. Who would ever block it? If

1486
01:11:07,600 --> 01:11:07,920
Speaker 1: you shot?

1487
01:11:08,080 --> 01:11:10,040
Speaker 2: There's another great example though he made all of those.

1488
01:11:10,360 --> 01:11:12,160
Speaker 2: Nobody's changed him when he was a kid, and.

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01:11:12,280 --> 01:11:15,840
Speaker 4: I actually did change mine. I had a horrible for him.

1490
01:11:16,000 --> 01:11:19,040
Speaker 4: I had a knuckleball when did you change it? Prime?

1491
01:11:19,800 --> 01:11:21,400
Speaker 4: Late middle school, early high.

1492
01:11:21,280 --> 01:11:24,200
Speaker 1: School that's usually the time, and I had I had a.

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01:11:24,120 --> 01:11:26,679
Speaker 4: Couple of really good high school coaches, one of which

1494
01:11:26,720 --> 01:11:29,639
Speaker 4: actually was on the stat crew for the game in London.

1495
01:11:30,000 --> 01:11:32,160
Speaker 4: Really shout out to Bob, how about that? Well, Buddy,

1496
01:11:32,200 --> 01:11:36,839
Speaker 4: I think he's in Switzerland though this week. But literally

1497
01:11:36,840 --> 01:11:39,679
Speaker 4: it was like, okay, you got you're doing this wrong. Yeah,

1498
01:11:40,040 --> 01:11:43,920
Speaker 4: and then I became the model. Like what we would do,

1499
01:11:44,040 --> 01:11:46,519
Speaker 4: like on Saturday mornings as part of our as part

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Speaker 4: of our varsity basketball if you were on the varsity

1501
01:11:48,640 --> 01:11:52,479
Speaker 4: basketball team or even on the JV Saturday mornings, you

1502
01:11:52,560 --> 01:11:55,040
Speaker 4: had two clinics that you had to do with youth.

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Speaker 1: Oh that's pretty cool.

1504
01:11:56,360 --> 01:11:59,679
Speaker 4: So we did. We did stuff with kids from first

1505
01:11:59,760 --> 01:12:03,439
Speaker 4: grade through fifth and then like or no, first through

1506
01:12:03,439 --> 01:12:06,639
Speaker 4: fourth and then fifth, sixth, and seventh. We had two

1507
01:12:06,680 --> 01:12:10,200
Speaker 4: clinics in the morning after on every Saturday morning that

1508
01:12:10,240 --> 01:12:12,240
Speaker 4: we had to run and they would bring me out

1509
01:12:12,240 --> 01:12:13,840
Speaker 4: and they would be like, show them how you used

1510
01:12:13,840 --> 01:12:18,599
Speaker 4: to shoot? Yeah, now shoot yeah, and it's I mean again,

1511
01:12:18,720 --> 01:12:22,400
Speaker 4: I wasn't scoring forty a night or anything, sure I was.

1512
01:12:22,880 --> 01:12:24,800
Speaker 2: That's really smart though, that they did it at that age.

1513
01:12:24,800 --> 01:12:26,120
Speaker 2: That's a good time to do it because that's right

1514
01:12:26,160 --> 01:12:30,240
Speaker 2: when you're changing physically, you're becoming stronger. Yeah, NBC, I

1515
01:12:30,240 --> 01:12:30,639
Speaker 2: did that.

1516
01:12:30,760 --> 01:12:32,599
Speaker 4: The phone out of the phone booth.

1517
01:12:32,680 --> 01:12:37,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, he changed his I think in fifth Beamsy's

1518
01:12:37,200 --> 01:12:39,360
Speaker 2: altered his a little bit. And Bootsy we're doing some

1519
01:12:39,360 --> 01:12:43,000
Speaker 2: stuff with Bootsy right now. But like that's yeah, that's it.

1520
01:12:43,000 --> 01:12:45,040
Speaker 2: It's it's such a beautiful thing when it all clicks.

1521
01:12:45,040 --> 01:12:46,880
Speaker 2: But it is hard when you when you do something

1522
01:12:46,960 --> 01:12:49,800
Speaker 2: naturally and you're like, oh, I got to change this, Yeah.

1523
01:12:49,479 --> 01:12:51,439
Speaker 1: You gotta, you gotta switch it up with this one.

1524
01:12:51,479 --> 01:12:52,439
Speaker 1: Build cart right for.

1525
01:12:54,000 --> 01:12:57,000
Speaker 3: That would be good Bill cart right solid, all.

1526
01:12:56,920 --> 01:12:59,400
Speaker 2: Those everybody should look out like magic Johnson shot though,

1527
01:12:59,439 --> 01:13:03,160
Speaker 2: like nobody, everybody, even Jordan, And like Jordan's shot is

1528
01:13:03,240 --> 01:13:07,840
Speaker 2: very much like Kobe's, but he basically mined it, mimicked it,

1529
01:13:08,400 --> 01:13:11,320
Speaker 2: so basically all of his mannerisms, all of it. But like, yeah,

1530
01:13:11,320 --> 01:13:13,360
Speaker 2: everybody just had dipp now, like most of the kids

1531
01:13:13,400 --> 01:13:15,559
Speaker 2: try to shoot like Steph, which is pretty good idea

1532
01:13:15,600 --> 01:13:17,000
Speaker 2: if you're gonna shoot, like anybody, the.

1533
01:13:17,000 --> 01:13:17,720
Speaker 3: Best way to do it.

1534
01:13:18,200 --> 01:13:21,400
Speaker 2: Very sweet he did. But it's that Steph. It's that

1535
01:13:21,400 --> 01:13:23,599
Speaker 2: that And it gets out quick that way too. That's

1536
01:13:23,600 --> 01:13:25,200
Speaker 2: the other thing, Like it really gets out quick and

1537
01:13:25,240 --> 01:13:26,200
Speaker 2: you can generate.

1538
01:13:25,920 --> 01:13:28,439
Speaker 1: A lot of power because it starts low. It starts low.

1539
01:13:28,560 --> 01:13:29,679
Speaker 1: It's a low much lower.

1540
01:13:29,800 --> 01:13:34,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, just a heads up, more trades coming today, not

1541
01:13:34,160 --> 01:13:38,160
Speaker 4: with us, but the Ravens who the Ravens acquire earlier

1542
01:13:38,200 --> 01:13:40,200
Speaker 4: today at corner CJ.

1543
01:13:40,320 --> 01:13:42,759
Speaker 1: Gardner Johnson didn't they just sign him to his practice squad.

1544
01:13:43,040 --> 01:13:48,559
Speaker 4: Yes. Uh, they have traded edge adafe O Way.

1545
01:13:48,479 --> 01:13:49,919
Speaker 1: A former first round pick.

1546
01:13:49,800 --> 01:13:53,200
Speaker 4: And the Rams seventh and twenty twenty seven to the

1547
01:13:53,360 --> 01:13:57,840
Speaker 4: Chargers for safety Alohi Gilman and a twenty twenty six

1548
01:13:57,960 --> 01:13:58,800
Speaker 4: fifth round pick.

1549
01:14:01,520 --> 01:14:04,479
Speaker 3: Wow. What why?

1550
01:14:05,479 --> 01:14:07,160
Speaker 4: I'm not sure, but what.

1551
01:14:07,160 --> 01:14:10,720
Speaker 1: An odd thing? I don't know.

1552
01:14:10,960 --> 01:14:13,840
Speaker 2: Both those teams are mass units. I mean, the Chargers

1553
01:14:13,840 --> 01:14:16,880
Speaker 2: are playing without everybody. Baltimore, everybody of consequence was out.

1554
01:14:17,600 --> 01:14:22,200
Speaker 4: Huh So some things going on around the league today.

1555
01:14:22,680 --> 01:14:26,879
Speaker 4: Baltimore is trying to shore up whatever they can. The

1556
01:14:26,920 --> 01:14:28,439
Speaker 4: Bengals clearly doing the same.

1557
01:14:29,520 --> 01:14:30,559
Speaker 1: So wow, that's wild.

1558
01:14:30,640 --> 01:14:33,920
Speaker 4: With that in mind, time for one thought quickly around

1559
01:14:34,000 --> 01:14:37,920
Speaker 4: the league. From week number five in the National Football League,

1560
01:14:38,920 --> 01:14:41,559
Speaker 4: I'll probably just rotate each one of you on the

1561
01:14:41,760 --> 01:14:44,400
Speaker 4: on the year the Boss give a Monday Night football,

1562
01:14:45,080 --> 01:14:47,080
Speaker 4: I will take a thought from both of you on

1563
01:14:47,080 --> 01:14:50,640
Speaker 4: this one. Jacksonville thirty one Kansas City twenty eight, My

1564
01:14:50,720 --> 01:14:55,280
Speaker 4: first round pick continues to get worse. Not pleased, Bo Bishop.

1565
01:14:55,080 --> 01:14:57,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I'll just take the Jacksonville side. That

1566
01:14:57,920 --> 01:14:59,720
Speaker 2: feels to me like one of those wins that when

1567
01:14:59,800 --> 01:15:02,000
Speaker 2: you win that way, as improbable as that was, with

1568
01:15:02,080 --> 01:15:04,400
Speaker 2: him stumbling and falling and all of those things and

1569
01:15:04,439 --> 01:15:07,439
Speaker 2: eventually stumbling into the end zone. It feels like one

1570
01:15:07,479 --> 01:15:10,559
Speaker 2: of those wins that can springboard and operation. And now

1571
01:15:10,560 --> 01:15:12,040
Speaker 2: all of a sudden you're looking at two teams in

1572
01:15:12,080 --> 01:15:15,800
Speaker 2: that division at four and one. Indy is legit good.

1573
01:15:15,800 --> 01:15:18,479
Speaker 2: They lead the league in point differential, and maybe Jackson

1574
01:15:18,640 --> 01:15:19,200
Speaker 2: is okay too.

1575
01:15:20,880 --> 01:15:25,000
Speaker 1: They believe in Liam Cohen. I mean I think that

1576
01:15:25,080 --> 01:15:27,280
Speaker 1: they have talked about him. Yeah, I think you seem

1577
01:15:27,360 --> 01:15:29,240
Speaker 1: like in the in the end game interviews and stuff.

1578
01:15:29,240 --> 01:15:30,320
Speaker 1: He's an impressive dude.

1579
01:15:30,439 --> 01:15:32,240
Speaker 2: He got kind of a bad rat because the du bo,

1580
01:15:32,680 --> 01:15:35,719
Speaker 2: but like, no, he's got a little Yeah, there's something

1581
01:15:35,760 --> 01:15:38,640
Speaker 2: to him. Yeah, he's got He was chirping Sala. Like

1582
01:15:39,320 --> 01:15:41,240
Speaker 2: whether that's a smart decision or not, I would say

1583
01:15:41,280 --> 01:15:43,679
Speaker 2: probably not. But I think that if you're on his team,

1584
01:15:44,400 --> 01:15:45,200
Speaker 2: like you like it.

1585
01:15:45,200 --> 01:15:50,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, Salo is threatening, violent, Like nothing's happened about that

1586
01:15:51,760 --> 01:15:54,920
Speaker 1: when you say things. Yeah, it was like that significant.

1587
01:15:55,000 --> 01:15:57,400
Speaker 4: I mean, Jerry Jones just got fined, I think and

1588
01:15:57,400 --> 01:15:59,519
Speaker 4: fifty k for flipping off the fans.

1589
01:15:59,640 --> 01:16:04,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, I pointed at him, right, I'm surprised, Like, here's

1590
01:16:04,280 --> 01:16:10,200
Speaker 1: the thing though, like Baker's video was awesome with the

1591
01:16:10,240 --> 01:16:13,280
Speaker 1: fan in Seattle, but there were things that were, including

1592
01:16:13,320 --> 01:16:15,479
Speaker 1: that video that might not be The league might not

1593
01:16:15,560 --> 01:16:19,120
Speaker 1: be with Bake. Yeah, well, no, I guess they would

1594
01:16:19,160 --> 01:16:19,639
Speaker 1: be pleased.

1595
01:16:19,640 --> 01:16:22,200
Speaker 4: I'm sure there is an envelope waiting for him come

1596
01:16:22,320 --> 01:16:23,040
Speaker 4: Saturday with.

1597
01:16:23,160 --> 01:16:27,120
Speaker 1: But didn't the league tweeted out probably. Yeah, I thought, Well,

1598
01:16:27,160 --> 01:16:27,800
Speaker 1: maybe I'm wrong.

1599
01:16:27,880 --> 01:16:28,200
Speaker 4: I don't know.

1600
01:16:28,200 --> 01:16:30,160
Speaker 2: There's so much that comes my way. I don't get

1601
01:16:30,160 --> 01:16:31,400
Speaker 2: start to know what is what isn't.

1602
01:16:31,439 --> 01:16:33,879
Speaker 4: But yeah, score, you got a thought on this Jacksonville

1603
01:16:33,960 --> 01:16:34,479
Speaker 4: Casey game.

1604
01:16:35,240 --> 01:16:36,880
Speaker 1: Well give you if you're paying attention, I said, he

1605
01:16:36,920 --> 01:16:38,559
Speaker 1: did give you what I gave you a thought. It

1606
01:16:38,640 --> 01:16:42,600
Speaker 1: was about their head coach, Liam Cohen. It's just unbelievable.

1607
01:16:42,600 --> 01:16:46,160
Speaker 4: Fair enough, I'm not gonna lie.

1608
01:16:46,640 --> 01:16:49,280
Speaker 1: The jet today is a lot worse.

1609
01:16:49,080 --> 01:16:50,040
Speaker 4: Than it was yesterday.

1610
01:16:50,320 --> 01:16:56,160
Speaker 1: Jet cascading down the fairway. What he got left? One

1611
01:16:56,240 --> 01:17:01,360
Speaker 1: ten in easy, easy got Johnny all right, forty nine ers,

1612
01:17:01,400 --> 01:17:04,720
Speaker 1: twenty six rams, twenty three in overtime one six years ago.

1613
01:17:04,800 --> 01:17:07,720
Speaker 1: Where did you watch this? Where did you guys watch it?

1614
01:17:07,720 --> 01:17:09,840
Speaker 1: It kicked off at one thirty in the morning. Oh

1615
01:17:09,880 --> 01:17:10,639
Speaker 1: my god, that's right.

1616
01:17:11,240 --> 01:17:13,320
Speaker 4: I watched it while I ate breakfast in the morning

1617
01:17:13,320 --> 01:17:15,520
Speaker 4: when they were doing the postgame show.

1618
01:17:15,760 --> 01:17:17,639
Speaker 1: I saw that Ton just touchdown and went to bed.

1619
01:17:19,439 --> 01:17:24,040
Speaker 1: Incredible win by the forty nine ers. Stafford is playing

1620
01:17:24,160 --> 01:17:26,200
Speaker 1: great football. I'm sorry to believe they lost the game

1621
01:17:26,200 --> 01:17:29,080
Speaker 1: where through for three eighty nine to three without a turnover.

1622
01:17:30,040 --> 01:17:33,519
Speaker 1: Phukinakua's the best receiver and are most consistently productive receiver

1623
01:17:33,560 --> 01:17:35,519
Speaker 1: in football. DeVante Adams has been there. It's been a

1624
01:17:35,560 --> 01:17:38,880
Speaker 1: lot of fun. But this, to me, the story here

1625
01:17:38,960 --> 01:17:42,720
Speaker 1: is a couple of things. It's Mac Jones, bless you.

1626
01:17:43,360 --> 01:17:47,639
Speaker 1: It's Mac Jones, and it's Kyle Shanahan. Kyle Kyle Shanahan.

1627
01:17:47,760 --> 01:17:49,800
Speaker 1: Had Mac Jones go thirty three or forty nine for three,

1628
01:17:49,880 --> 01:17:53,080
Speaker 1: forty two and two touchdowns. They had none of their receivers,

1629
01:17:54,439 --> 01:17:56,320
Speaker 1: they didn't have their top three receivers, and they did

1630
01:17:56,400 --> 01:17:59,120
Speaker 1: not have their top tight end. And then Kendrick Bourne

1631
01:17:59,160 --> 01:18:01,320
Speaker 1: goes ten for one, four two. Ton just goes seven

1632
01:18:01,320 --> 01:18:05,519
Speaker 1: to forty one in a touchdown. Christian McCaffrey's having one

1633
01:18:05,520 --> 01:18:09,200
Speaker 1: of the great receiving seasons YEA in the league right now,

1634
01:18:09,240 --> 01:18:11,240
Speaker 1: and he's a running back, but he's right now He's

1635
01:18:11,280 --> 01:18:15,480
Speaker 1: got thirty nine for three eighty seven and three touchdowns receiving,

1636
01:18:16,479 --> 01:18:20,439
Speaker 1: which is wild. It's just that's an incredible win there.

1637
01:18:20,439 --> 01:18:23,559
Speaker 1: Their defense was opportunistic. He got two fumbles, one from Stafford,

1638
01:18:23,560 --> 01:18:25,800
Speaker 1: one from Conon Williams. The Conen Williams went going into

1639
01:18:25,800 --> 01:18:28,280
Speaker 1: the end zone. An incredible win for the forty nine ers.

1640
01:18:28,280 --> 01:18:32,000
Speaker 1: And this is a team now four to one. They're

1641
01:18:32,000 --> 01:18:35,519
Speaker 1: gonna get Ayuk back in a week. That's crazy what

1642
01:18:35,560 --> 01:18:38,160
Speaker 1: he's done. Yeah, they're gonna get obviously healthy, Pierce all

1643
01:18:38,160 --> 01:18:41,080
Speaker 1: On and Juwan James can state get healthy. This feels

1644
01:18:41,120 --> 01:18:43,559
Speaker 1: like a team that, you know, if there are teams

1645
01:18:43,600 --> 01:18:51,000
Speaker 1: if the Browns, if the Browns are a team that

1646
01:18:51,040 --> 01:18:54,200
Speaker 1: has this season goes along that you know, if things

1647
01:18:54,200 --> 01:18:56,439
Speaker 1: do not go the way we want. We certainly want

1648
01:18:56,720 --> 01:18:58,760
Speaker 1: to see the season go a lot of wins, but

1649
01:19:00,200 --> 01:19:02,599
Speaker 1: might be a team that has some familiarity with scheme

1650
01:19:02,600 --> 01:19:04,439
Speaker 1: wise that some people they might be interested in.

1651
01:19:04,520 --> 01:19:09,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, all right, early games from Sunday. Thank you for

1652
01:19:09,280 --> 01:19:12,560
Speaker 4: the double bonus. I appreciate it.

1653
01:19:12,680 --> 01:19:15,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, we can't. We can't war on each other. What

1654
01:19:15,400 --> 01:19:16,280
Speaker 1: did I do wrong then?

1655
01:19:16,320 --> 01:19:16,439
Speaker 3: No?

1656
01:19:16,439 --> 01:19:18,439
Speaker 4: No, I just said thank you for the double bonus

1657
01:19:18,439 --> 01:19:22,439
Speaker 4: because I screwed up. Oh okay, okay, I appreciated Ze

1658
01:19:22,520 --> 01:19:25,840
Speaker 4: coming back with a little more information gave thank you. Yeah, okay,

1659
01:19:25,880 --> 01:19:28,000
Speaker 4: very good, very good. Trust me, I'm getting through it.

1660
01:19:28,000 --> 01:19:29,840
Speaker 4: It's going to be a struggle bus for the final

1661
01:19:29,880 --> 01:19:31,759
Speaker 4: twenty minutes early games.

1662
01:19:31,760 --> 01:19:32,599
Speaker 1: We're almost there.

1663
01:19:32,880 --> 01:19:36,840
Speaker 4: Sunday bo Bishop one thought Texans forty four Ravens.

1664
01:19:36,479 --> 01:19:39,920
Speaker 2: Ten Baltimore's injury list was the is the most star

1665
01:19:39,920 --> 01:19:42,559
Speaker 2: studed injury list I've ever seen an NFL team put

1666
01:19:42,600 --> 01:19:46,040
Speaker 2: out in Week five. Never see anything like it. Basically

1667
01:19:46,040 --> 01:19:48,719
Speaker 2: every good player and you were dead on. I was off.

1668
01:19:48,800 --> 01:19:51,320
Speaker 2: I thought there were somehow they'd cobble something together. There's

1669
01:19:51,320 --> 01:19:54,200
Speaker 2: nothing to cobble together. They're a mess. They're gonna get

1670
01:19:54,200 --> 01:19:56,320
Speaker 2: to one in five and then they're gonna try and

1671
01:19:56,360 --> 01:19:57,960
Speaker 2: lick wounds and make a heck of a run. But

1672
01:19:58,000 --> 01:19:59,840
Speaker 2: you said it on Monday there this year's Bengals. I

1673
01:19:59,840 --> 01:20:02,439
Speaker 2: think that's a good way to put it. How deep

1674
01:20:02,520 --> 01:20:03,960
Speaker 2: is this hole that they're trying to dig out of?

1675
01:20:04,000 --> 01:20:06,519
Speaker 1: It's pretty substantial. I mean, if you need any more

1676
01:20:07,200 --> 01:20:12,600
Speaker 1: example that Lamar Jackson and Joe Burrow are real MVPs.

1677
01:20:12,640 --> 01:20:15,040
Speaker 1: You're talking about teams that go from being, Oh, we

1678
01:20:15,040 --> 01:20:17,360
Speaker 1: think these teams could win the Super Bowl to these

1679
01:20:17,400 --> 01:20:20,640
Speaker 1: are the two worst teams in the league. Yeah, and

1680
01:20:20,720 --> 01:20:22,800
Speaker 1: I hope from the Texan standpoint, I really hope that

1681
01:20:22,840 --> 01:20:27,760
Speaker 1: this is a get right game for CJ. Stroud. I

1682
01:20:27,760 --> 01:20:30,360
Speaker 1: hope that this gets him going twenty three to twenty seven,

1683
01:20:30,400 --> 01:20:33,160
Speaker 1: two forty four, four touchdowns, no picks. I hope that

1684
01:20:33,200 --> 01:20:35,320
Speaker 1: this gets him him going a little bit.

1685
01:20:35,560 --> 01:20:39,240
Speaker 4: All right, Well, rotate guys here. Nathan One thought Panthers

1686
01:20:39,240 --> 01:20:41,120
Speaker 4: twenty seven, Dolphins twenty four.

1687
01:20:41,400 --> 01:20:43,200
Speaker 1: Had it, I mean, had it a new Carolina was

1688
01:20:43,240 --> 01:20:45,880
Speaker 1: going to win this game. They're the ultimate roller coaster.

1689
01:20:46,560 --> 01:20:48,439
Speaker 1: This is a game where they were down I want

1690
01:20:48,479 --> 01:20:52,600
Speaker 1: to say, seventeen nothing, something like, Yeah, they were down

1691
01:20:53,520 --> 01:20:56,160
Speaker 1: early in the second quarter. Incredible that they were able

1692
01:20:56,200 --> 01:20:59,599
Speaker 1: to come back. Mike McDaniel was as dejected as I've

1693
01:20:59,640 --> 01:21:05,440
Speaker 1: ever seen him, and then his press conference was somewhat incoherent.

1694
01:21:05,760 --> 01:21:08,680
Speaker 1: Just yeah, he's broken. Yeah, it's they're gonna end up

1695
01:21:08,680 --> 01:21:12,599
Speaker 1: making a change. Darren Waller is one of the craziest

1696
01:21:12,600 --> 01:21:16,360
Speaker 1: stories I've seen in a long time. Darren Waller last,

1697
01:21:16,880 --> 01:21:20,280
Speaker 1: let's look at his career. Last played in eleven twelve

1698
01:21:20,280 --> 01:21:22,960
Speaker 1: games in twenty twenty three, doesn't play at all last year,

1699
01:21:23,280 --> 01:21:25,400
Speaker 1: miss Is the first four weeks of the season, comes

1700
01:21:25,400 --> 01:21:26,800
Speaker 1: back and in two games as eight cats for one

1701
01:21:26,840 --> 01:21:29,200
Speaker 1: hundred and five yards and three touchdowns, everaging thirteen yards catch.

1702
01:21:29,280 --> 01:21:33,840
Speaker 4: It's crazy bo bishap for you Colts forty Raiders six.

1703
01:21:34,040 --> 01:21:35,400
Speaker 1: By the way, he's thirty three years old. It's not

1704
01:21:35,439 --> 01:21:35,960
Speaker 1: like he's a no.

1705
01:21:36,040 --> 01:21:36,200
Speaker 3: I know.

1706
01:21:36,439 --> 01:21:38,360
Speaker 1: Spring Chicken cults are legit good.

1707
01:21:38,360 --> 01:21:41,479
Speaker 2: They lead the NFL in a point differential and really

1708
01:21:41,479 --> 01:21:42,400
Speaker 2: should be five and zero.

1709
01:21:43,520 --> 01:21:48,240
Speaker 4: Zigura Saints twenty six Gmon fourteen.

1710
01:21:48,400 --> 01:21:51,519
Speaker 1: We had this one too. Vegas told you this when

1711
01:21:51,520 --> 01:21:53,240
Speaker 1: they made the Saints the favorites. Vega said he had

1712
01:21:53,240 --> 01:21:57,080
Speaker 1: Saints are gonna win this game. Weird. I didn't hear

1713
01:21:57,120 --> 01:21:59,120
Speaker 1: a whole lot from my dad about Jackson Dart this week.

1714
01:21:59,160 --> 01:22:02,639
Speaker 1: Oh less this week, a lot significantly last this week,

1715
01:22:02,760 --> 01:22:05,720
Speaker 1: which is interesting a game. He turned it over three

1716
01:22:05,760 --> 01:22:08,320
Speaker 1: times in this game. But nice win. You gotta feel

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01:22:08,600 --> 01:22:12,519
Speaker 1: I'm happy for the happy for the Saints. Chris A

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01:22:12,600 --> 01:22:17,120
Speaker 1: Lave and I obviously this comes from my fantasy. Chris A.

1719
01:22:17,200 --> 01:22:19,960
Speaker 1: Lave is in danger of doing something that I would

1720
01:22:20,000 --> 01:22:23,719
Speaker 1: have to guess has never happened before. So Chris LaVey

1721
01:22:23,760 --> 01:22:25,600
Speaker 1: right now is thirty three catches for two hundred and

1722
01:22:25,640 --> 01:22:28,240
Speaker 1: forty four yards seven point four yards of catch. He's

1723
01:22:28,240 --> 01:22:32,160
Speaker 1: a wide receiver. Here's his yards per catch by game

1724
01:22:32,240 --> 01:22:34,960
Speaker 1: so far this season seven point seven nine point zero.

1725
01:22:35,000 --> 01:22:36,080
Speaker 1: He had a ga where he had ten catch for

1726
01:22:36,120 --> 01:22:38,280
Speaker 1: fifty seven yards. That's like a running back five point seven,

1727
01:22:38,360 --> 01:22:40,920
Speaker 1: six point seven, eight point four. He has not had

1728
01:22:40,960 --> 01:22:44,920
Speaker 1: a game in which he has had average ten yards

1729
01:22:44,920 --> 01:22:46,439
Speaker 1: a catch yet. This is a wide is a first

1730
01:22:46,479 --> 01:22:52,080
Speaker 1: round pick wide receiver. Yeah, everything's underneath. There's just nothing. Yeah,

1731
01:22:52,400 --> 01:22:53,200
Speaker 1: bo for you.

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01:22:53,520 --> 01:22:56,400
Speaker 4: Dallas thirty seven the New York Football Jets, the lone

1733
01:22:56,400 --> 01:22:58,719
Speaker 4: team without a win in the league twenty two.

1734
01:22:59,080 --> 01:23:02,599
Speaker 2: If Dak Prescot can somehow keep this team above float,

1735
01:23:03,040 --> 01:23:06,320
Speaker 2: he deserves and he does. Anyway, he really deserves serious

1736
01:23:06,439 --> 01:23:10,960
Speaker 2: MVP conversation because it's they are so decimated no CD LAMB,

1737
01:23:11,080 --> 01:23:13,559
Speaker 2: and they win. They scored thirty five every game, Like,

1738
01:23:13,600 --> 01:23:15,839
Speaker 2: it's pretty remarkable how he's playing.

1739
01:23:15,680 --> 01:23:17,559
Speaker 1: Right now that a should be in the MVP conversation.

1740
01:23:17,640 --> 01:23:19,760
Speaker 1: So I just said, yeah, I agree.

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01:23:19,439 --> 01:23:20,080
Speaker 4: Welcome back.

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01:23:20,360 --> 01:23:21,360
Speaker 1: Now we'lcome back to Zura.

1743
01:23:21,439 --> 01:23:26,080
Speaker 4: Three Broncos twenty one Eagles seventeen. Eagles fall from the

1744
01:23:26,160 --> 01:23:27,320
Speaker 4: ranks of the unbeaten.

1745
01:23:28,720 --> 01:23:32,439
Speaker 1: Denver is not firing on all cylinders, and yet they're

1746
01:23:32,520 --> 01:23:36,760
Speaker 1: still frisky and this was a big win for them.

1747
01:23:37,080 --> 01:23:40,600
Speaker 1: There are a lot right now. Saquon Barkley is not

1748
01:23:40,760 --> 01:23:44,080
Speaker 1: playing like Saquon Barkley running the football. Obviously, we know

1749
01:23:44,120 --> 01:23:47,160
Speaker 1: the aj Brown thing. All is not well at this

1750
01:23:47,320 --> 01:23:49,320
Speaker 1: point right in here for the Eagles. But you know,

1751
01:23:49,439 --> 01:23:52,240
Speaker 1: this time a year ago they were three and two.

1752
01:23:53,320 --> 01:23:54,840
Speaker 1: People are calling for their head. So they're ahead of

1753
01:23:54,840 --> 01:23:56,280
Speaker 1: where they were a year ago to get things going.

1754
01:23:56,320 --> 01:23:57,840
Speaker 1: There's too much talent on that side of Well, it's

1755
01:23:57,840 --> 01:24:01,479
Speaker 1: a new offensive coordinator. He's clearly struggling. I think they'll

1756
01:24:01,479 --> 01:24:02,200
Speaker 1: get it figured out.

1757
01:24:02,320 --> 01:24:06,679
Speaker 4: Me too, Bo Bishop, late window Titans twenty two, Cardinals

1758
01:24:06,720 --> 01:24:07,200
Speaker 4: twenty one.

1759
01:24:07,400 --> 01:24:09,120
Speaker 1: I didn't see any of the z told me how

1760
01:24:09,160 --> 01:24:10,880
Speaker 1: this thing finished, like all the crazy one of the

1761
01:24:10,880 --> 01:24:11,719
Speaker 1: craziest games.

1762
01:24:11,960 --> 01:24:15,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm actually surprised you haven't seen or heard more

1763
01:24:15,160 --> 01:24:17,479
Speaker 2: about what Gannon was doing on the side. Yeah, say

1764
01:24:17,560 --> 01:24:19,679
Speaker 2: that that was a pretty alarming that video.

1765
01:24:21,200 --> 01:24:24,880
Speaker 4: Next, the best uniform matchup of the day, Buccaneers thirty

1766
01:24:24,920 --> 01:24:27,320
Speaker 4: eight Seahawks thirty five.

1767
01:24:28,560 --> 01:24:33,960
Speaker 1: Sigurl, this is the game of the game. Tampa continues

1768
01:24:33,960 --> 01:24:36,160
Speaker 1: to win games that if you get into people who

1769
01:24:36,200 --> 01:24:37,559
Speaker 1: like this kind of stuff, if you get into the

1770
01:24:37,560 --> 01:24:40,560
Speaker 1: EPA and all of this, like the Seahawks should have

1771
01:24:40,560 --> 01:24:44,920
Speaker 1: won this game, but Tampa keeps finding a way to

1772
01:24:45,120 --> 01:24:49,919
Speaker 1: win these games. And Baker Mayfield, Well, here's what's interesting,

1773
01:24:50,080 --> 01:24:52,080
Speaker 1: and this is if you want to talk about a

1774
01:24:52,200 --> 01:24:58,400
Speaker 1: certainly an MVP candidate, you talk about a change. One

1775
01:24:58,439 --> 01:25:00,439
Speaker 1: of the things that you and I always talk about,

1776
01:25:00,720 --> 01:25:02,840
Speaker 1: you know, with Baker, and it really has been kind

1777
01:25:02,880 --> 01:25:06,240
Speaker 1: of the mo for his career, which is he has

1778
01:25:06,320 --> 01:25:09,920
Speaker 1: not been great in those late game type of situations.

1779
01:25:09,920 --> 01:25:13,719
Speaker 1: He truly has not. In fact, in his eight year

1780
01:25:13,920 --> 01:25:20,400
Speaker 1: NFL career, he has fourteen game winning fourth quarter comebacks

1781
01:25:20,400 --> 01:25:23,760
Speaker 1: and sixteen game winning drives, so he averages about to

1782
01:25:23,800 --> 01:25:26,320
Speaker 1: a season. Yeah, he's had some seasons where he's had

1783
01:25:26,320 --> 01:25:30,600
Speaker 1: none of those. He's all four of their wins have

1784
01:25:30,640 --> 01:25:33,280
Speaker 1: been fourth quarter comebacks and game winning drives. He has

1785
01:25:33,360 --> 01:25:37,400
Speaker 1: been clutch ye in those moments and they have been

1786
01:25:38,600 --> 01:25:41,519
Speaker 1: very very good. Things are not as good as they

1787
01:25:41,600 --> 01:25:44,000
Speaker 1: seem with them, but he is at the moments that

1788
01:25:44,040 --> 01:25:45,640
Speaker 1: matter and that's why the sixty minute games, and you

1789
01:25:45,680 --> 01:25:47,760
Speaker 1: need to be ahead when it gets to sixty. They've

1790
01:25:47,760 --> 01:25:49,759
Speaker 1: done a great job. I'm curious see how they evolve.

1791
01:25:49,800 --> 01:25:52,200
Speaker 1: But there's no denying that he is right now one

1792
01:25:52,200 --> 01:25:54,360
Speaker 1: of the most fun quarterbacks to watch because he's throwing

1793
01:25:54,360 --> 01:25:55,519
Speaker 1: a lot of balls that look like they're going to

1794
01:25:55,600 --> 01:25:57,720
Speaker 1: pick by three people and they end up being eighty

1795
01:25:57,760 --> 01:26:01,080
Speaker 1: yard touchdowns. But he is making play, he looks great.

1796
01:26:01,400 --> 01:26:05,080
Speaker 1: Happy for him killing it and that clutchness though, that

1797
01:26:05,320 --> 01:26:08,200
Speaker 1: breeds a confidence in a team that it doesn't matter

1798
01:26:08,240 --> 01:26:09,960
Speaker 1: what's going on, we can win. So it'll be interesting

1799
01:26:10,080 --> 01:26:11,320
Speaker 1: where they go. They're gonna win their division.

1800
01:26:11,320 --> 01:26:13,639
Speaker 2: All right, Lessons for both of these got these teams too.

1801
01:26:13,720 --> 01:26:16,160
Speaker 2: I mean both Baker and Sam were on Carolina and

1802
01:26:16,200 --> 01:26:18,320
Speaker 2: they both were sick and they get no either way.

1803
01:26:18,520 --> 01:26:20,880
Speaker 2: And by the way, the two O High State receivers,

1804
01:26:21,320 --> 01:26:23,880
Speaker 2: so they can play Jacks Smith seven one sixty three

1805
01:26:23,920 --> 01:26:27,120
Speaker 2: for mech and eight for one thirty two for JSN.

1806
01:26:27,439 --> 01:26:29,519
Speaker 4: All right, Unfortunately, we've got to go to break here.

1807
01:26:29,720 --> 01:26:32,719
Speaker 4: Lions thirty seven, Bengals twenty four Comedies beat the Chargers

1808
01:26:32,720 --> 01:26:35,360
Speaker 4: twenty seven to ten, And Sunday Night Football Patriots Beat

1809
01:26:35,400 --> 01:26:37,160
Speaker 4: the Bills twenty three to twenty. But we did talk

1810
01:26:37,160 --> 01:26:38,120
Speaker 4: about that one yesterday.

1811
01:26:38,120 --> 01:26:38,479
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Speaker 2: Did you watch any of the Manning cast last night?

1826
01:27:19,680 --> 01:27:22,840
Speaker 1: I did not me either. Craig been so good right

1827
01:27:22,840 --> 01:27:24,680
Speaker 1: now They're so good and did not I know? I

1828
01:27:24,720 --> 01:27:26,679
Speaker 1: did see the clip of when Heidi Gardner was reacting

1829
01:27:26,720 --> 01:27:28,759
Speaker 1: real time to the pick six, which was kind of funny.

1830
01:27:28,760 --> 01:27:31,360
Speaker 2: But yeah, it's funny like it used to be something

1831
01:27:31,400 --> 01:27:33,639
Speaker 2: I'd always go to first and get it, and I've

1832
01:27:33,720 --> 01:27:34,680
Speaker 2: ran out of taste for it.

1833
01:27:34,680 --> 01:27:36,479
Speaker 1: It's strange. Well, we know why.

1834
01:27:36,479 --> 01:27:38,320
Speaker 2: We've talked about a lot, but it's it just like

1835
01:27:38,360 --> 01:27:39,240
Speaker 2: if you're into the game.

1836
01:27:39,280 --> 01:27:41,240
Speaker 1: It's if it was just them, I'd certainly do it.

1837
01:27:41,479 --> 01:27:49,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, on to uh Pittsburgh tomorrow. Kids, gonna

1838
01:27:49,160 --> 01:27:50,599
Speaker 2: be when is coach talk tomorrow?

1839
01:27:51,160 --> 01:27:52,120
Speaker 1: Do you have that schedule?

1840
01:27:52,400 --> 01:27:55,720
Speaker 4: I want to say everything's moved up or move back.

1841
01:27:55,760 --> 01:27:58,280
Speaker 4: I'm sorry, it's like late in the twelve o'clock hour.

1842
01:27:58,400 --> 01:28:01,320
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, yeah, that'll be. That'll be a fascinating press conference.

1843
01:28:01,360 --> 01:28:03,360
Speaker 2: Obviously a big news y day on what is normally

1844
01:28:03,400 --> 01:28:06,719
Speaker 2: an off day for the football for the team anyway,

1845
01:28:06,720 --> 01:28:08,680
Speaker 2: the team is here, but the front office is here

1846
01:28:08,720 --> 01:28:10,519
Speaker 2: for team is not so busy day today. We'll let

1847
01:28:10,560 --> 01:28:12,599
Speaker 2: me see what Kevin has to say about that tomorrow.

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