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Speaker 1: Previously on Queen of the con. Once they get your

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Speaker 2: They keep calling you non stop until you know you

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Speaker 1: Several nationwide telemarketing scams that Genshaw greedily participates in are

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Speaker 3: And those companies got shut down for their marketing practices.

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Speaker 3: If jen had stopped there, this case probably wouldn't come up.

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Speaker 1: But instead of stopping, Jenshaw pivots creating all new telemarketing scams, bigger, faster, stronger,

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Speaker 1: bilking thousands of elderly victims out of millions of dollars.

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Speaker 4: We probably will never be able to be retired. We'll

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Speaker 1: But this scam is Jenshaw's most abominable because it seems

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Speaker 4: I personally thought I had done my research because obviously

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Speaker 1: Yep, there are lots of scams out there, but I

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Speaker 3: I think what Jenshaw was leaning into is this is

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Speaker 3: but that's not wirefraud. You don't go to prison for that.

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Speaker 1: I'm Jonathan Walton and this is Queen of the Cohn

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Speaker 1: The Unreal Household, Episode four. Everything just seemed legit.

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Speaker 4: The whole work from home aspect is something you know,

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Speaker 1: So Molly starts hunting for a new job pretty much

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Speaker 3: People keep chasing it down because it's like, if I

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Speaker 1: You have so much invested, you just need a little

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Speaker 4: So I'm just running into hitting the wall and getting

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Speaker 1: This is like the third or fourth person in these

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Speaker 4: And you know, I was overwhelmed. I can't pay anything.

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Speaker 1: So you might think Mollie's con is over. Now she's

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Speaker 4: Maybe three four months down the road, I get a

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Speaker 1: All State Insurance. I'm sure that was one hundred percent

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Speaker 1: How much money did they want from you to get

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Speaker 1: So they're saying for five thousand, we can get your

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Speaker 1: So Mollie pays them five thousand dollars and eventually all

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Speaker 4: I didn't realize all State was part of that scam.

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Speaker 2: And that's what's scary because it could happen to anybody child,

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Speaker 1: That's Ricky Patel, a special agent with Homeland Security whose

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Speaker 1: team investigated the many telemarketing scams of Jenshaw. We are not.

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Speaker 2: Talking about individuals who just wake up and have a

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Speaker 1: How did jen Shaw present to you? How did you

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Speaker 2: So this investigation actually was in our New York office

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Speaker 2: We have something called the Eldorado Task Force, which is

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Speaker 1: So it wasn't like we were honed in on them.

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Speaker 2: They just ended up being targets of the investigation as

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Speaker 2: Let me look at Genshaw. That's not what this investigation unraveled.

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Speaker 2: This investigation unraveled a conspiracy, a massive fraud organization that

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Speaker 1: What exactly is the criminal case against Genshaw. A lot

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Speaker 2: Right, there's the persona that we all see on television,

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Speaker 2: This is how she earned her money. It was taking

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Speaker 2: They were just taking the money, promising them things, making

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Speaker 1: And by the time Jenshaw is arrested by special agents

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Speaker 1: Real Housewives of Salt Lake City. We're looking for ten saw.

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Speaker 5: She's just like, wow, have like swap team and stuff.

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Speaker 1: What the heck? The federal government has a miles long

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Speaker 3: It's fascinating.

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Speaker 1: Former Prosecutor Emily D.

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Speaker 3: Baker When I was at the District Attorney's office and

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Speaker 1: Would you want to do that?

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Speaker 3: I'm like, it's fascinating, and yes, it takes more work

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Speaker 3: And paper doesn't get up on the stand and be

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Speaker 3: it's time for trial. The bank records are the bank records,

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Speaker 3: and I'm nosy people's bank records when they're running this

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Speaker 1: It took federal investigators years to untangle the web of

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Speaker 1: Jen managed to keep everything hidden and far removed from

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Speaker 3: Federal prosecutions generally have a tip off of something, and

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Speaker 3: a completely different way than state level prosecutors, and we'll

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Speaker 3: take that information, and if that information leads to successful prosecutions,

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Speaker 3: that person might find their charges dropped, they might get

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Speaker 3: a very limited sentence or probation, they might get reduced charges.

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Speaker 3: There's a big incentive to trade information with federal prosecutors,

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Speaker 3: and people do this all the time, so I'm not

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Speaker 3: surprised that there was someone else getting picked up saying, oh,

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Speaker 3: but I know about this, this is who's involved, and

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Speaker 3: then eventually it works its way up the chain. A

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Speaker 3: few months before Jen's indictment, we saw two of her

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Speaker 3: co defendants plea.

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Speaker 1: I wonder what.

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Speaker 3: Those co defendants had to say about Genshaw and what

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Speaker 3: digital evidence they turned over to benefit themselves. When they

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Speaker 3: say there's no honor among thieves, that's especially true in

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Speaker 3: large conspiracy type crimes. Someone is always going to talk.

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Speaker 3: The game is to be the first one.

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Speaker 1: So by the time Jenshaw is charged and arrested, the

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Speaker 1: twenty two page federal indictment and all the prosecutors' motions

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Speaker 1: and filings read like a three dimensional roadmap outlining every

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Speaker 1: crime and every cover up.

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Speaker 3: The government anticipates that the evidence would show that between

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Speaker 3: approximately twenty twelve and twenty sixteen, the defendant primarily acted

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Speaker 3: as a lead broker responsible for selling victim information to

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Speaker 3: other sales floors. The government would further show that between

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Speaker 3: twenty seventeen and twenty twenty one, in addition to acting

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Speaker 3: as a lead broker, the defendant owned and operated a

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Speaker 3: Manhattan based sales floor called Mastery Pro Group. So Jenshaw

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Speaker 3: owned the Mastery Pro Group sales floor, not just giving

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Speaker 3: leads to a sales floor, but engaging more deeply in

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Speaker 3: owning her own sales floors.

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Speaker 1: She got her start in telemarketing, rose up the ranks,

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Speaker 1: and figured out a way to create, for lack of

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Speaker 1: a better word, a fake business to offer to train

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Speaker 1: elderly people, retired people to quote work from home. So

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Speaker 1: when they're online and they click a link work from

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Speaker 1: home make five thousand dollars, ten thousand dollars, twenty thousand dollars,

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Speaker 1: they get called by one of these telemarketing floors that

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Speaker 1: either gen owns and is operating or has sold their

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Speaker 1: information to someone else's telemarketing floor, and the scam is

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Speaker 1: they trick these people who've never worked from home, that

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Speaker 1: you can make twenty thousand dollars if you start a website.

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Speaker 1: In the end, none of it was true. Never for

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Speaker 1: a second did any of these people ever work from

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Speaker 1: home and make twenty grand a month like they were promised.

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Speaker 1: And that's the con tricking vulnerable people who want to

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Speaker 1: believe something into believing it. When they maxed out their

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Speaker 1: credit cards, they would like apply for other credit in

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Speaker 1: their names, like show them how to get credit to

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Speaker 1: keep paying.

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Speaker 3: Teaching them how to float multiple credit cards, and having

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Speaker 3: people deeper and deeper into debt, and then they charged

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Speaker 3: them for debt consolidation services.

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Speaker 1: YUP. Court record show when a lot of victims had

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Speaker 1: reached the limit of their credit cards, another scam telemarketer

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Speaker 1: would call, seemingly out of the blue an offer to

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Speaker 1: consolidate all their debt with another loan. And that's not all.

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Speaker 3: And then they said, oh, well, you've got all this

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Speaker 3: debt now, we just let us help you with your

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Speaker 3: taxes too, so we can take care of your taxes.

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Speaker 3: And when I saw the tax part, a part of

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Speaker 3: me was like, oh, because they want to keep them

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Speaker 3: in the net, because if they went to a different

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Speaker 3: tax prepairer. A different tax prepairer might raise the red

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Speaker 3: flag and say, what are you doing? This isn't a

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Speaker 3: real business, because that's exactly what a tax prepaer or

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Speaker 3: CPA should do, is what are these business expenses?

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Speaker 1: Out of the gate, Jenshaw proclaims her innocence to anyone

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Speaker 1: who will listen, like Adam mull on his podcast Up

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Speaker 1: and Adam Live.

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Speaker 4: I'm innocent. I'm not the only one that's gone through this.

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Speaker 4: There are nearly ten thousand people a year that are

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Speaker 4: accused and convicted of a crime they did not commit.

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Speaker 1: But the Feds managed to get their hands on some

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Speaker 1: pretty damning text messages Jen sends after she hears authorities

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Speaker 1: are onto her.

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Speaker 4: Holy fucking shit, delete the sales scripts from the Google drive.

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Speaker 1: Grab your popcorn, boys and girls. Things are about to

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Speaker 1: get really, really crazy next time on Queen of the

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Speaker 1: Con It.

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Speaker 2: Actually it tied into another investigation that we had, which

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Speaker 2: is even spawning on to additional investigations.

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Speaker 1: But even with all these investigations going on, Jen Shaw

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Speaker 1: engages in a masterful spin offensive onn steroids that completely

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Speaker 1: explains away her entire crime.

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Speaker 5: Mishaw originally started to work in telemarketing on the legitimate

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Speaker 5: and legal side of the business and was slowly drawn

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Speaker 5: into working with a group of men who were committing fraud,

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Speaker 5: and they took advantage of her skills to further their

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Speaker 5: own criminal ends.

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