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Speaker 1: thirty five Matt Rodgers at thirty five. Like I will

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Speaker 1: always say this, The name Matt Rogers so nice. You

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Speaker 1: number thirty five. It's like, it's good. You know what.

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Speaker 1: Why? And why I love bow and yang. No, a

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Speaker 2: we're in matching looks. Not just because I wanted us

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Speaker 2: For that also created Dead to Me's a new podcast

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Speaker 2: with a friend of the show, Justice Claim. We're going

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Speaker 2: welcome to yours my friend.

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Speaker 1: Let's oh my.

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Speaker 4: God, thrilled to be here.

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Speaker 1: Well, it's what are your birthday wishes for our friend? Man?

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Speaker 1: Kelly Green. Kelly Green, Kelly Green.

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Speaker 2: things I loved about working with you is how decisive

440
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Speaker 2: you are when you've got what you wanted, and how

441
00:19:00,440 --> 00:19:04,440
Speaker 2: you move on like confidently and everyone else can feel

442
00:19:04,440 --> 00:19:07,720
Speaker 2: confident around you when you know when a leader is

443
00:19:07,800 --> 00:19:10,679
Speaker 2: just like we got it and we're joyfully moving on,

444
00:19:11,200 --> 00:19:12,879
Speaker 2: and and then no one has to go home and

445
00:19:12,920 --> 00:19:15,680
Speaker 2: feel strange or odd or anything like that, because it's

446
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Speaker 2: like we did it, and Liz always included a fun run.

447
00:19:19,400 --> 00:19:22,520
Speaker 3: I mean not when you have Matt Rogers, you're gonna.

448
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Speaker 1: Let him do his thing.

449
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Speaker 2: No, I just mean, like for everyone at home, it's

450
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Speaker 2: just it's like that take at the end when it's on,

451
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Speaker 2: you kind of got it, and it's one for fun

452
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Speaker 2: and it's that chance to like improvise and if you're lucky,

453
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Speaker 2: to really connect with the character and have ideas for it,

454
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Speaker 2: and like it's a collaborative set. Like I found that

455
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Speaker 2: a lot of the stuff that was in the show

456
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Speaker 2: ended up being.

457
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Speaker 3: I would say you wrote probably half your line, if

458
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Speaker 3: not more, you know.

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Speaker 1: I don't know that. I don't know if you knew,

460
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Speaker 1: but just being in that type of.

461
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Speaker 2: Environment where it's just like constantly obviously the cast is

462
00:19:54,359 --> 00:19:56,600
Speaker 2: the cast, and if you haven't watched No Good Dude yet,

463
00:19:56,640 --> 00:19:57,760
Speaker 2: you should should.

464
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Speaker 3: Mean you get to see Matt Rogers with Ray Romano.

465
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Speaker 3: I mean, it's it's pretty amazing.

466
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Speaker 2: Did you ever this is a weird question because you've

467
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Speaker 2: you've worked in the business for so long, but like, do.

468
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Speaker 1: You get star do you get starstruck? You get nervous

469
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Speaker 1: around get starstruck? Yes, definitely, maybe you do you still well,

470
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Speaker 1: I do, I've had recent moments of star striking. Yeah,

471
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Speaker 1: especially at fifteen.

472
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Speaker 4: Well, that was every single famous person in the entire universe.

473
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Speaker 4: He was there.

474
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Speaker 1: This is not a brag, but there was just a

475
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Speaker 1: remarkable number of them who were like, I love the

476
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Speaker 1: podcast and we're like to both matt watch. It was

477
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Speaker 1: every two minutes. It was like crazy as Clari Dance.

478
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Speaker 2: So basically like whenever I see anyone like going over

479
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Speaker 2: to Bowen and being like Bowen, I'm like, yes, because Bowen,

480
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Speaker 2: I agree with you. Is the star of SNL, is

481
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Speaker 2: the truth in the light.

482
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Speaker 1: I like it.

483
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Speaker 2: It's Bowen and it's the fiftieth Everyone's excited to talk

484
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Speaker 2: to Bowen. Claire Dance turning to me and like just

485
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Speaker 2: calling me by my first name. I was like, I

486
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Speaker 2: believe it.

487
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Speaker 1: The best actress ever, the greatest, like and then we

488
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Speaker 1: just like had a moment with her Lar Danes and

489
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Speaker 1: then five minutes two minutes later, Sarah's a Parker Matthew

490
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Speaker 1: Broder coming down the stairs as JP clocking is bowing

491
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Speaker 1: to us.

492
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Speaker 4: Wow, that's she puts the pop and pop culture.

493
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Speaker 1: I mean, she is the New York woman.

494
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Speaker 4: She is the New York woman.

495
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Speaker 1: Do you know what I mean?

496
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Speaker 4: Absolutely?

497
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Speaker 1: Like yes, anyway, so like sorry to answer your question,

498
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Speaker 1: and it's just termed to do a whole name drop fast,

499
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Speaker 1: but like.

500
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Speaker 3: I'm going to ask you, I'm like asking for.

501
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Speaker 1: You, but you would mind.

502
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Speaker 3: I mean, listen, I it's almost like it's not even

503
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Speaker 3: that I get sometimes I get starstruck.

504
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Speaker 4: Most of the time, I know I'm going to see

505
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Speaker 4: the person if.

506
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Speaker 3: It's a surprise, if it's like I'm running into them

507
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Speaker 3: at a party and they're like, I listen to your podcast,

508
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Speaker 3: Like that's that's different. That's like, you know, like sending

509
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Speaker 3: a like a sweet shive down my spine, you know.

510
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Speaker 3: But like with Lisa Kudro, I had been watching Friends

511
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Speaker 3: every night and her name came up in casting and

512
00:22:02,359 --> 00:22:03,280
Speaker 3: I was like, but I want her.

513
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Speaker 4: I watched her on my TV.

514
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Speaker 3: I was very excited to meet her. But then I

515
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Speaker 3: know that I have to present myself as a leader.

516
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Speaker 3: And thank you so much for what you said. That's

517
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Speaker 3: very very kind to say, But I know I have to,

518
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Speaker 3: like you know, I have to be confident when I

519
00:22:16,600 --> 00:22:19,600
Speaker 3: meet her and not treat her like she's this thing

520
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Speaker 3: that is unattainable.

521
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Speaker 4: To me, because then why would she want to work

522
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Speaker 4: with me?

523
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Speaker 1: Yeah, because she's very much quite there attainable.

524
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Speaker 3: Yes, you know, very much, right interest, I'll tell you.

525
00:22:27,040 --> 00:22:29,439
Speaker 3: So this is a true story. This morning, I'm getting

526
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Speaker 3: ready because I one of the great parts about my job,

527
00:22:31,680 --> 00:22:34,000
Speaker 3: especially when I'm in development on like a new thing,

528
00:22:34,119 --> 00:22:35,760
Speaker 3: is that I get to sit and meet actors and

529
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Speaker 3: they just like, you know, like they just go, do

530
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Speaker 3: you want to meet so and so?

531
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Speaker 4: And I go, yeah.

532
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Speaker 3: It's like going on like a lunch date with the

533
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Speaker 3: most random, wonderful people. So this morning, I'm getting ready

534
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Speaker 3: to have breakfast with Pamela Anderson.

535
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Speaker 1: We were just talking about her in the car obsessed.

536
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Speaker 3: She's and I don't use this word often, a queen,

537
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Speaker 3: she's a question. And I'm looking at myself in the

538
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Speaker 3: mirror and I don't have makeup on, and I'm like,

539
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Speaker 3: you know what, She's not gonna wear a makeup. I

540
00:23:01,680 --> 00:23:03,960
Speaker 3: know that that's her thing. So I'm like, you know,

541
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Speaker 3: do I show up at breakfast with Pamela Anderson with

542
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Speaker 3: no makeup on? And I take one look at myself

543
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Speaker 3: in the mirror and I go, you know what, I'm

544
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Speaker 3: not working from the same baseline as Pamela, and I was.

545
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Speaker 4: Like this paga.

546
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Speaker 1: Queen. She doesn't give a fuck about it.

547
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Speaker 3: She doesn't, but I like, I wanted to feel like,

548
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Speaker 3: you know, I was presentable, so I did put some

549
00:23:26,680 --> 00:23:31,560
Speaker 3: makeup on and I was still like a fourteenth as gorgeous.

550
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Speaker 1: As she is.

551
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Speaker 3: I want to be no right because again I'm like

552
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Speaker 3: trying to be like, let's collaborate on something, maybe you know,

553
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Speaker 3: but like I do sit in awe is what I'll say.

554
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Speaker 3: Like I'm not maybe struck, but I sit in like

555
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Speaker 3: complete respect and awe of people who especially like her,

556
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Speaker 3: people who have been through the fucking ringer because of

557
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Speaker 3: pop culture, because of our thirst for her fame and

558
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Speaker 3: her gorgeousness, and you know the way in which society

559
00:23:58,800 --> 00:24:01,720
Speaker 3: has you know, defied her over and over again and

560
00:24:02,320 --> 00:24:04,160
Speaker 3: truly like turned her into an object.

561
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Speaker 5: You know.

562
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Speaker 3: And let me tell you, she's fucking brilliant. She's so smart.

563
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Speaker 3: She's way better read than I am. Like she's making

564
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Speaker 3: references and I'm nodding like I know what she's talking about,

565
00:24:14,119 --> 00:24:15,520
Speaker 3: no idea what she's talking about.

566
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Speaker 4: I mean, I wasn't so impressed.

567
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Speaker 1: So impressive, she's she has a Criterion Closet episode where

568
00:24:20,440 --> 00:24:22,120
Speaker 1: she's really good knows everything.

569
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Speaker 4: She was naming movies. She was talking about Genner Roland's movies.

570
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Speaker 3: I mean, like she's she's just such an impressive human

571
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Speaker 3: being and given everything that she's gone through, like, you know,

572
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Speaker 3: to have your story be to be do you have

573
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Speaker 3: your story be stolen? Is I think kind of almost

574
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Speaker 3: among the worst things that can happen to a person,

575
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Speaker 3: you know, like that's her story to tell, and you know,

576
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Speaker 3: I get that it seems like it's part of the

577
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Speaker 3: universe and it's you know, upper grabs, but that's really rough.

578
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Speaker 1: Right, I will say, going back to what Matt was

579
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Speaker 1: saying about you your leadership, this is such a backtrack,

580
00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:06,800
Speaker 1: but he was coming off of that set every day

581
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Speaker 1: being like, I mean, Liz Feldman, what a fucking queen.

582
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Speaker 1: Like truly, we're so so so happy and grateful and

583
00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:18,960
Speaker 1: learning so much from that experience, and it all shows

584
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Speaker 1: that show is so great.

585
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Speaker 4: Thank you so much.

586
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Speaker 1: It's fantastic.

587
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Speaker 2: And also you have to know how nervous I was, like,

588
00:25:24,800 --> 00:25:27,920
Speaker 2: because it will be one thing to book a show

589
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Speaker 2: with Lisa Kudrou, you know what I mean, Like, because

590
00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:32,760
Speaker 2: that's another thing is. It's like BTS for the readers

591
00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:35,720
Speaker 2: and everybody at home. It's like you open your email.

592
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Speaker 2: You're lucky enough one day to get any audition because

593
00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:41,480
Speaker 2: they're very rare now, you know what I mean, And

594
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Speaker 2: you open it up and it's like it's the new

595
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Speaker 2: Liz Feldman show, which is already so exciting in and

596
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Speaker 2: of itself.

597
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Speaker 1: Everyone loves.

598
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Speaker 2: It's such an exciting name to see yours when you're

599
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Speaker 2: an actor too, because you know it's going to be

600
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Speaker 2: like I would imagine that every actor is taking out

601
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Speaker 2: all the meetings with you because they love dead to

602
00:25:57,040 --> 00:25:58,600
Speaker 2: me and they see no good deed and they see

603
00:25:58,680 --> 00:26:01,800
Speaker 2: this there's just so much potential for them to.

604
00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:04,240
Speaker 1: Do things, you know what I mean. And like every

605
00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:08,640
Speaker 1: character is interesting, which is rare, but it's like you

606
00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:11,800
Speaker 1: see and Lisa Kujo is attached. That would be enough

607
00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:13,919
Speaker 1: to give you a panic attack, even on an audition

608
00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:16,160
Speaker 1: where you're not actually gonna interact, and then it's like

609
00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:19,399
Speaker 1: rare mono. The name that really took me out was

610
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Speaker 1: Linda Carnali.

611
00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:26,880
Speaker 2: Out like true acting hero of mine, and it just

612
00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:29,240
Speaker 2: it just didn't stop from there. I was a huge

613
00:26:29,320 --> 00:26:32,720
Speaker 2: fan of every single person and then he goes it's

614
00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:34,760
Speaker 2: like the super smash Brothers of television.

615
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Speaker 4: Yeah, brilliant. Absolutely, I used you, but it's true. But

616
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Speaker 4: but here's in here, Here's where I'm gonna go to.

617
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Speaker 3: I was about to say, here's where I go down

618
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Speaker 3: on you.

619
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Speaker 4: Here's where are we? Sixty nine is you showed up?

620
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Speaker 4: And I swear to god, he stole every scene.

621
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Speaker 3: She's still every city was in Matt Rogers and Ray

622
00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:03,640
Speaker 3: Romano turned into this like comedy team.

623
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Speaker 4: I mean, you look out Bowen. I mean it could

624
00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:08,680
Speaker 4: be racing there in that magic.

625
00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:11,120
Speaker 3: Yes, but for some reason, I mean, like you would

626
00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:14,240
Speaker 3: never think like Ray Romano like salted the earth from

627
00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:16,320
Speaker 3: you know, although you're not from too far apart.

628
00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:16,560
Speaker 1: From each.

629
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Speaker 2: Island, so there was enough there, you know what I mean. Like,

630
00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:22,440
Speaker 2: but again, like and I watched them since I was

631
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Speaker 2: a kid, I'm.

632
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Speaker 4: The same I get and what a great fucking guy

633
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Speaker 4: he is?

634
00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:27,560
Speaker 1: Too great.

635
00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:29,520
Speaker 4: It was like a set of mensas.

636
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Speaker 3: And to be honest, that was like the whole goal

637
00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:35,359
Speaker 3: that I had is now that I get to be

638
00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:39,240
Speaker 3: a person who you know, picks actors and hires crew

639
00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:41,280
Speaker 3: and stuff, I'm like, I want to go to work

640
00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:45,360
Speaker 3: and be surrounded by people I really enjoy being around, nice, kind, talented,

641
00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:48,479
Speaker 3: but people who inspire me, people who are like, you know,

642
00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:50,560
Speaker 3: if I'm going to go leave my two year old

643
00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:53,760
Speaker 3: daughter at home and my wonderful wife who I actually really.

644
00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:56,040
Speaker 4: Like, you know, I want to show up to people

645
00:27:56,080 --> 00:27:56,440
Speaker 4: who I.

646
00:27:56,359 --> 00:27:58,720
Speaker 3: Feel like are my family, and and it is, it is.

647
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Speaker 3: It was so nice because we really to create that

648
00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:01,920
Speaker 3: on no good deed.

649
00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:04,240
Speaker 1: This is friendship nerding. This is this is being a

650
00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:06,720
Speaker 1: friendship nerds. Where you're saying you and and Jesse, you

651
00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:09,399
Speaker 1: are friendship nerds. Yes, this is nerding out about like

652
00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:11,920
Speaker 1: the right chemistry's people the way.

653
00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:13,399
Speaker 2: And in the writing in the writer's room too, I

654
00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:16,520
Speaker 2: would imagine, because what I loved most about the set

655
00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:18,959
Speaker 2: and I'm experiencing now on another show I'm working on,

656
00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:20,760
Speaker 2: is I go over to Video Village and it's like

657
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Speaker 2: a bunch of people like you have such a great

658
00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:24,119
Speaker 2: group of ladies that you work with.

659
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Speaker 3: Kelly Kennedy Hutchinson is one of my best friends of

660
00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:28,760
Speaker 3: thirty years.

661
00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:30,840
Speaker 4: We were we were college roommates.

662
00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:32,160
Speaker 1: Where to go to college.

663
00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:35,560
Speaker 3: We went to Boston University. We lived on Commonwealth Avenue

664
00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:38,360
Speaker 3: and we were roommates. She was an acting student. I

665
00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:41,240
Speaker 3: was a TV student, and we used to smoke cigarettes

666
00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:42,640
Speaker 3: in our apartment with the windows closed.

667
00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:46,120
Speaker 1: Yes, because that's what you did because dark in her life.

668
00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:50,000
Speaker 3: Yes, we did life, and we just got like, you know,

669
00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:53,640
Speaker 3: really stoned on really bad weed and dump carrible wine

670
00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:56,680
Speaker 3: and have the greatest time. But she she was an

671
00:28:56,720 --> 00:28:59,080
Speaker 3: actress on Broadway for many, many, many years, and was like,

672
00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:00,240
Speaker 3: you know what, I think I want to try hand

673
00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:03,880
Speaker 3: at writing, sent me her script and said to me

674
00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:06,440
Speaker 3: was her first show and we've been working together ever since. Yeah,

675
00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:09,040
Speaker 3: And I mean she's truly one of my best friends

676
00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:12,040
Speaker 3: in I mean thirty years of friendship. So I have

677
00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:15,800
Speaker 3: her and then Silvertree, who's my producing adoration directors, an

678
00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:19,200
Speaker 3: incredible director. But like, we're good friends, and so I'm

679
00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:21,200
Speaker 3: just in it for that, Like I'm in this whole

680
00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:24,040
Speaker 3: business for friends. Yeah, That's all it is for me

681
00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:27,240
Speaker 3: is connections. It's human connection with people. You know. I

682
00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:29,360
Speaker 3: want to create that with people at home that I

683
00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:31,560
Speaker 3: maybe never get to meet, but I also want to

684
00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:33,120
Speaker 3: create it with the people that I get to see

685
00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:33,520
Speaker 3: every day.

686
00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:36,280
Speaker 2: So I was because of the fiftieth and everything I

687
00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:38,520
Speaker 2: was talking to Kristin Wig and you guys were in

688
00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:41,400
Speaker 2: an improv group together years ago.

689
00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:43,680
Speaker 4: Were those Crystal Wig is what I like to call it.

690
00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:47,680
Speaker 3: So Chrystal and I were We were in the Sunday

691
00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:50,160
Speaker 3: Company and the Groundlingsgel but even before that, we were

692
00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:52,400
Speaker 3: in an all female improv group which was obviously called

693
00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:55,520
Speaker 3: the Last Women on Earth. And yeah, I mean like

694
00:29:55,560 --> 00:29:57,760
Speaker 3: we go way back. I was a bridesmaid in her wedding.

695
00:29:57,960 --> 00:29:58,200
Speaker 1: Wow.

696
00:29:58,320 --> 00:30:05,680
Speaker 2: Well uh yeah, general, so this obviously predates snl oh.

697
00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:06,040
Speaker 4: Gosh, yeah.

698
00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:06,680
Speaker 1: Yeah.

699
00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:08,800
Speaker 4: We were children. I mean I think I met her.

700
00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:09,920
Speaker 3: I was twenty two years old.

701
00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:12,160
Speaker 1: Wow. Yeah in La.

702
00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:13,240
Speaker 4: We met at the Groundlings.

703
00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:15,960
Speaker 3: We met on like a like a wow improv class

704
00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:17,920
Speaker 3: at the Groundings, which is just like a drop in class,

705
00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:19,840
Speaker 3: And I think we saw each other and we were like, oh,

706
00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:23,160
Speaker 3: that's we. Oh you're funny connected. We were connected definitely

707
00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:23,880
Speaker 3: very much us.

708
00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:27,320
Speaker 1: That's very much us because and I'm getting all mournful

709
00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:30,040
Speaker 1: now because I'm like, I think it's still happening. I

710
00:30:30,040 --> 00:30:32,400
Speaker 1: think it's coming back from the pandemic. But like something

711
00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:35,440
Speaker 1: about like improv culture being kind of wiped away is

712
00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:37,840
Speaker 1: really sad because that was the way that you and

713
00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:39,520
Speaker 1: I made friends with people at college.

714
00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:43,680
Speaker 3: It's how I've made so many of my dearest friends, truly.

715
00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:46,280
Speaker 3: That's how it's why I went to Be You. I

716
00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:49,080
Speaker 3: was visiting a friend, my friend Dan Fogler not to

717
00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:52,200
Speaker 3: name drop, but a wonderful actor, and he was at BU.

718
00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:54,320
Speaker 3: He was my best friend from high school. I was

719
00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:57,200
Speaker 3: coming off a TV show called All That, which was

720
00:30:57,240 --> 00:30:58,120
Speaker 3: my first show.

721
00:30:58,280 --> 00:31:02,040
Speaker 4: Well, yes, you know, I've been doing this a long.

722
00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:03,880
Speaker 3: Long time, and I was like, fuck, I just want

723
00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:06,160
Speaker 3: to go hang out with my friend in college. He's like, well,

724
00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:08,400
Speaker 3: I'm auditioning for the improv group. You should just come

725
00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:10,280
Speaker 3: with me. I'm like, I'll go to school here. I

726
00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:12,680
Speaker 3: went anyway, got in and they were like, well, if

727
00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:15,040
Speaker 3: you went to school here, you could be in this group.

728
00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:17,840
Speaker 3: And I was like, well, okay, so I didn't drust.

729
00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:19,920
Speaker 3: I wasn't even going to school. I went into the

730
00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:24,719
Speaker 3: admissions office, filled out an application, did an interview, and

731
00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:26,720
Speaker 3: I got in, and I that's why I went to

732
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Speaker 3: Be You.

733
00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:32,080
Speaker 1: Crazy. That's even more because I would tell people one

734
00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:34,240
Speaker 1: of the big reasons they went to NYU was because

735
00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:37,800
Speaker 1: I did all my research in Danger Box was like

736
00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:39,719
Speaker 1: the group that I was like focused on and then

737
00:31:39,760 --> 00:31:42,280
Speaker 1: I went. But that's a whole other level, Like you

738
00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:45,239
Speaker 1: were literally led and motivated by that.

739
00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:47,800
Speaker 3: I was quite literally I didn't even know like what

740
00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:49,240
Speaker 3: I was going to study. I didn't even care about

741
00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:50,360
Speaker 3: any of it. I just wanted to be in the

742
00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:51,000
Speaker 3: improv group.

743
00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:51,440
Speaker 1: Wow.

744
00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:53,720
Speaker 3: And I made like one of my best friends for

745
00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:56,360
Speaker 3: life in that group. I'm still friends with so many

746
00:31:56,400 --> 00:31:58,360
Speaker 3: of the people from the group, you know. And then

747
00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:01,800
Speaker 3: out here in LM, all my original friends were from

748
00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:04,520
Speaker 3: the groundings. I did that for five and a half years.

749
00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:07,600
Speaker 2: Isn't it wild how that works out? Like we tell

750
00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:11,160
Speaker 2: this story sometimes, but you know, so many of our

751
00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:13,280
Speaker 2: friends from those comedy groups. I was a hammer cat,

752
00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:15,560
Speaker 2: so I did sketch comedy in Bona's Danger Box. He

753
00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:17,560
Speaker 2: did improv. But that we were kind of all.

754
00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:21,600
Speaker 1: One big community, and so many of those people are

755
00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:26,480
Speaker 1: like still working, super successful, still are friends, you know

756
00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:29,720
Speaker 1: what I mean. It's just I remember when Rachel Bloom

757
00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:30,760
Speaker 1: won the Golden Globe.

758
00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:35,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, we were at Bowen's department in downtown Brooklyn, and

759
00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:38,360
Speaker 2: I was like, you know, what's wild, Like I think

760
00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:40,680
Speaker 2: we might have been right, Like the people that we

761
00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:46,520
Speaker 2: thought were special like actually are Yeah, and then that obviously,

762
00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:48,760
Speaker 2: like in so many ways, has proven to be true,

763
00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:51,120
Speaker 2: but it is sort of like you have to check

764
00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:52,000
Speaker 2: yourself at that point.

765
00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:54,400
Speaker 1: You're like, wait, am I? Am I? Okay? Like am

766
00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:56,960
Speaker 1: I living in like a like a simulation where it's

767
00:32:57,040 --> 00:32:59,760
Speaker 1: just like how could this be? How could this actually

768
00:32:59,840 --> 00:33:02,000
Speaker 1: have been the destiny of us?

769
00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:02,280
Speaker 5: All?

770
00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:05,000
Speaker 1: Like whatever that means, you know what I mean?

771
00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:08,240
Speaker 2: Whatever, But it's like you talk about like the friends

772
00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:09,800
Speaker 2: that you made all the way back then, and like

773
00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:13,560
Speaker 2: it's really possible to have those communities endure.

774
00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:15,400
Speaker 3: It is it is, And I mean like when I

775
00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:18,160
Speaker 3: was in the Sunday Company at the Groundlings, Caitlyn Olsen,

776
00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:20,680
Speaker 3: Dax Shepherd, Wow, you know, and by the way, all

777
00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:21,600
Speaker 3: three of us were cut.

778
00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:25,200
Speaker 1: What you Kitlyn Olsen and Dax Shephard were cut from

779
00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:26,040
Speaker 1: Sunday Company. Yeah.

780
00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:27,719
Speaker 3: Sorry, I have to fix my brush strap because it's

781
00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:34,000
Speaker 3: I guess I'm getting skinny.

782
00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:36,520
Speaker 1: Wait, who the fuck cut you guys?

783
00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:38,680
Speaker 3: I mean, listen, it happens, but it was, actually, in

784
00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:40,440
Speaker 3: a weird way, the best thing that ever happened to me.

785
00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:42,120
Speaker 1: So it's like the people that doesn't know who get

786
00:33:42,120 --> 00:33:43,600
Speaker 1: cut in there and like it's like your Jenny's states

787
00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:44,400
Speaker 1: like to go on and become I.

788
00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:47,840
Speaker 3: Mean, Jenny's brilliant, brilliant I have, I'm friends with several

789
00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:48,680
Speaker 3: other girls.

790
00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:50,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, And one thing about Asking with fifty is so

791
00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:53,200
Speaker 1: many of them showed up so many one day and

792
00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:55,320
Speaker 1: people came. They were all so happy and they're all

793
00:33:55,320 --> 00:33:58,080
Speaker 1: doing so well. Well, yeah, that's just it was. This

794
00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:00,480
Speaker 1: was my thing. There was just no bitterness thing and

795
00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:04,080
Speaker 1: I was expecting even bitterness from me, where I'm like, oh, God, like,

796
00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:06,719
Speaker 1: aren't we all so tired and aren't we also stressed

797
00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:08,400
Speaker 1: out about this big show and it's all led up

798
00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:10,000
Speaker 1: to this for like so many years, and it was

799
00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:11,480
Speaker 1: all love and warmth thing.

800
00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:12,480
Speaker 4: It was, and I have to.

801
00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:15,560
Speaker 3: Say, as a person watching it at home, all six

802
00:34:15,600 --> 00:34:17,239
Speaker 3: and a half hours a better, however long, it was

803
00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:19,560
Speaker 3: very long, but I was I could have kept watching.

804
00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:22,359
Speaker 3: My wife and I were so excited to watch it.

805
00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:26,000
Speaker 3: And you know, like I mean, that's SNL is sort

806
00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:30,040
Speaker 3: of like a family reunion for the audience too, you know,

807
00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:32,359
Speaker 3: because so many of us like grew up watching it.

808
00:34:32,640 --> 00:34:34,759
Speaker 3: My brother used to show my brother's seven years old

809
00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:36,279
Speaker 3: of them. He used to show me episodes that I

810
00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:38,960
Speaker 3: in no way should have been watching at like five

811
00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:39,920
Speaker 3: years old, you know.

812
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:42,960
Speaker 4: So these are all people that we've all grown up with.

813
00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:45,759
Speaker 1: Right, But it goes back to this like improv thing

814
00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:48,319
Speaker 1: where I don't know, it's just it's just harder and

815
00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:52,880
Speaker 1: harder for people to like connect in this like scaled

816
00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:54,640
Speaker 1: up way where it's like you were just meeting so

817
00:34:54,680 --> 00:34:56,840
Speaker 1: many people whenever you were doing shows or whenever you

818
00:34:56,880 --> 00:35:00,200
Speaker 1: would like do like rehearsals or practices or whatever ever.

819
00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:03,160
Speaker 2: You know, and developing together to is such an important

820
00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:07,200
Speaker 2: thing I think in terms of grounding friendship, you know

821
00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:09,560
Speaker 2: what I mean? How many times did we go to

822
00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:12,960
Speaker 2: each other's shows where there was like fourteen fifteen people?

823
00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:15,720
Speaker 1: You know? One time Bowen and I did a show

824
00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:18,839
Speaker 1: for one person and we were like it was at

825
00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:20,400
Speaker 1: the pit underground.

826
00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:22,880
Speaker 4: Sure, and I remember the pit, Oh yeah, I've been there.

827
00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:27,719
Speaker 2: We were performing as our filthy slutty lip sync duo

828
00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:32,160
Speaker 2: Sluck Perfect. His name was slut and my name was fucked. Together,

829
00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:34,719
Speaker 2: we were Sluck and we would essentially for a half hour,

830
00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:38,160
Speaker 2: guys come up with it was that was actually our peak.

831
00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:40,919
Speaker 2: There was a time there was do you remember when

832
00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:41,840
Speaker 2: I would.

833
00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:43,799
Speaker 1: Look at my Google? I bet I still can so many.

834
00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:47,399
Speaker 1: Fluck was all over like everyone wanted to book Sluck.

835
00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:51,400
Speaker 1: Sluck opened for Joel Kimbooster's first special table. Right, yeah,

836
00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:55,439
Speaker 1: my god, that's everywhere. Sluck has performed everywhere.

837
00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:57,000
Speaker 4: I embarrassed. I hadn't heard of it.

838
00:35:57,160 --> 00:36:01,240
Speaker 1: No one knows about Stuck anymore, but Sluck return Fluck

839
00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:04,160
Speaker 1: will be at the first Trump Kennedy Center on Yeah, yeah,

840
00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:04,880
Speaker 1: I love that.

841
00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:06,520
Speaker 3: You know what we should do. I'm going to say

842
00:36:06,520 --> 00:36:09,000
Speaker 3: it right here on air to put the pressure on you.

843
00:36:09,080 --> 00:36:13,360
Speaker 3: We should get a super group of queer improvisers together

844
00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:18,960
Speaker 3: and do a and do a charity show for Transise Amazing.

845
00:36:19,040 --> 00:36:22,800
Speaker 1: Yes, okay, let's do it. Let's pressure even that's.

846
00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:26,799
Speaker 3: Yes, I should because there's some really brilliant improvisers here

847
00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:29,440
Speaker 3: in l A too, And I've had the great pleasure

848
00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:32,680
Speaker 3: of like Drew Droghi and Legends yep, I mean the

849
00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:35,359
Speaker 3: greatest Sam Pancake some of the.

850
00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:38,239
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean these.

851
00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:41,600
Speaker 3: Are there's some we should do that we should.

852
00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:43,759
Speaker 1: Yes, Yeah, Brandon got Jones from Ghosts.

853
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:46,919
Speaker 4: Yeah, he was like I think I did a show

854
00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:47,239
Speaker 4: with him.

855
00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:49,759
Speaker 1: Yes, in fact, like he's one of the ones that

856
00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:52,560
Speaker 1: like from the very big it's just so wild house,

857
00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:54,879
Speaker 1: so so much really paid off.

858
00:36:54,920 --> 00:36:56,560
Speaker 2: I was talking actually in my group chat the other

859
00:36:56,640 --> 00:36:59,799
Speaker 2: day about how u c B really did create something

860
00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:03,000
Speaker 2: incredible actors because of that face in Chelsea it was

861
00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:06,520
Speaker 2: like that thrust stage and because it was so small,

862
00:37:06,719 --> 00:37:09,360
Speaker 2: and because the audience was so engaged, because there was

863
00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:11,640
Speaker 2: an era I'm sure in LA as well, where it

864
00:37:11,719 --> 00:37:16,640
Speaker 2: just felt like everyone was so excited about improv and sketch.

865
00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:19,400
Speaker 2: I think it was around you know, it's definitely a

866
00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:22,600
Speaker 2: two thousand and six twenty twelve ish around there when

867
00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:25,480
Speaker 2: SNL was like really hitting in that era because of

868
00:37:25,520 --> 00:37:28,040
Speaker 2: like I think, like the way it was, you know,

869
00:37:28,040 --> 00:37:30,600
Speaker 2: corresponding with politics, et cetera. It was just it was

870
00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:33,200
Speaker 2: in the air that like, to succeed in comedy you

871
00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:35,480
Speaker 2: had to be at uc B and be around it.

872
00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:36,520
Speaker 2: It felt like in New York.

873
00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:38,600
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, we flew to New York from LA with

874
00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:40,000
Speaker 4: our show just to perform at.

875
00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:41,480
Speaker 1: You see Wow, Dell Close.

876
00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:45,439
Speaker 4: I did do Dell Close. Yes, the twenty four hour.

877
00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:49,440
Speaker 3: Yes, we went on at some hilarious hour, like four o'clock.

878
00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:52,800
Speaker 1: In the morning, Mistress, four in the morning in the morning.

879
00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:55,400
Speaker 4: That was an incredible experience that was awesome.

880
00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:58,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, four or fifteen in the morning, I went on

881
00:37:58,520 --> 00:38:00,359
Speaker 2: and did like a thing where it was like a one.

882
00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:02,320
Speaker 2: It was all gay guys and we were all pretending

883
00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:06,080
Speaker 2: to be Boston straight guys. And I came out and

884
00:38:06,080 --> 00:38:08,880
Speaker 2: I remember I ate a carrot off the ground and

885
00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:11,240
Speaker 2: I was and I literally did this whole stupid bit where.

886
00:38:11,080 --> 00:38:15,120
Speaker 1: I was like carrot and everyone was like no, No.

887
00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:18,040
Speaker 2: I was told afterwards that it had been in someone's

888
00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:21,600
Speaker 2: ass the bit before you had eaten, someone had put

889
00:38:21,640 --> 00:38:23,759
Speaker 2: the carrot in their ass man and left it on

890
00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:26,000
Speaker 2: the stage, And when I came out, I didn't know that,

891
00:38:26,040 --> 00:38:26,799
Speaker 2: and so I took the cart.

892
00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:28,440
Speaker 1: I was like, I was like, I'm gonna eat this carrot.

893
00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:31,759
Speaker 4: They were like, no, that was the first time.

894
00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:37,000
Speaker 1: That's my kink, my kin carrots. But no.

895
00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:39,320
Speaker 2: What I was saying was like the style of the

896
00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:41,880
Speaker 2: stage being thrust And because the audience was so engaged

897
00:38:41,880 --> 00:38:45,120
Speaker 2: and it was so small, it created such good actors

898
00:38:45,160 --> 00:38:48,840
Speaker 2: because they could do such small choices like I remember

899
00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:53,480
Speaker 2: Middle Ditch, Aubrey Plaza, Elie Kemper, Darcy Carden, Brandon's Got Jones,

900
00:38:53,520 --> 00:38:56,799
Speaker 2: like all these people that ended up having success in television.

901
00:38:57,560 --> 00:39:01,279
Speaker 2: They came from an arrow where you could develop as

902
00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:05,120
Speaker 2: a live performer, but it's still it fed the on

903
00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:08,880
Speaker 2: camera work because it was black Bocks Thrust thrust space.

904
00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:11,600
Speaker 1: Yes, so you could like I missed that space kind

905
00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:14,200
Speaker 1: of like play to your angles. I don't know, I'm

906
00:39:14,239 --> 00:39:16,120
Speaker 1: not making total sense, but like it was a way

907
00:39:16,160 --> 00:39:18,840
Speaker 1: that to like play to like an angle slash camera

908
00:39:19,080 --> 00:39:21,040
Speaker 1: or just play to an audience that was in front

909
00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:22,320
Speaker 1: of you in the thrust setting.

910
00:39:22,520 --> 00:39:24,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, you know, that's it's interesting that you

911
00:39:24,120 --> 00:39:26,799
Speaker 3: say that because the Groundings is a proscenium. It's very

912
00:39:26,840 --> 00:39:31,360
Speaker 3: It's a much more sort of presentation, and the characters

913
00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:32,120
Speaker 3: tend to be bigger.

914
00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:34,799
Speaker 2: Yes, I remember hearing that and being like should I

915
00:39:34,840 --> 00:39:36,360
Speaker 2: move there? Because I always got to note I was

916
00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:36,799
Speaker 2: too big.

917
00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:40,239
Speaker 1: Speaking of Kudro, was season two that comeback where she

918
00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:43,520
Speaker 1: does like Groundings classes jim Jimmy Yeah.

919
00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:45,359
Speaker 4: By the way, Jimmy Foley should also be.

920
00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:48,440
Speaker 1: In our Favorite People.

921
00:39:48,600 --> 00:39:51,640
Speaker 3: I love him. He's wonderful and you know, I have

922
00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:53,040
Speaker 3: known him since he was.

923
00:39:53,600 --> 00:39:55,080
Speaker 4: You know, a WE improviser.

924
00:39:55,640 --> 00:39:58,000
Speaker 3: I love him and I'm so proud of everything he's

925
00:39:58,080 --> 00:40:00,560
Speaker 3: becoming and so much more to come.

926
00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:02,080
Speaker 4: Wait, what were we just talking about before?

927
00:40:02,120 --> 00:40:07,279
Speaker 1: That was a.

928
00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:09,960
Speaker 4: Groundling, Yes, and then a teacher, and.

929
00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:12,759
Speaker 3: Then a teacher, and she said recently we were talking

930
00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:14,240
Speaker 3: she said she was a terrible teacher.

931
00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:16,520
Speaker 1: Does I can't do it? I can never.

932
00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:17,399
Speaker 4: I couldn't either.

933
00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:25,560
Speaker 3: No, no, I'm not like I can only like lead

934
00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:26,760
Speaker 3: under great duress.

935
00:40:27,360 --> 00:40:29,719
Speaker 2: You were you under direct because you didn't show that

936
00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:31,880
Speaker 2: on No Good? Did you find yourself under diress?

937
00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:32,160
Speaker 1: No?

938
00:40:32,160 --> 00:40:33,920
Speaker 3: No, I think I just mean pressure, like, you know,

939
00:40:34,040 --> 00:40:40,200
Speaker 3: external pressure, like here's a multimillion dollar budget on your shoulders, like,

940
00:40:40,239 --> 00:40:40,960
Speaker 3: don't suck it up?

941
00:40:41,120 --> 00:40:42,640
Speaker 1: You know? Do you like show running?

942
00:40:42,680 --> 00:40:43,520
Speaker 4: I like I do.

943
00:40:43,640 --> 00:40:45,960
Speaker 3: I do. It's like a sickness, but I do like it.

944
00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:50,760
Speaker 3: It's very hard, it's very hard, but it is eleven

945
00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:53,399
Speaker 3: jobs and one I like. I like eight of them,

946
00:40:54,120 --> 00:41:01,000
Speaker 3: you know what I mean? Therapist, I mean I actually

947
00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:04,040
Speaker 3: don't mind that part. I don't mind the managerial stuff,

948
00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:07,320
Speaker 3: and I don't mind the interpersonal stuff. I don't love

949
00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:11,120
Speaker 3: the tech stuff. I don't I don't love that, and

950
00:41:11,160 --> 00:41:16,200
Speaker 3: I don't love like props meetings, you know, like just

951
00:41:16,200 --> 00:41:18,160
Speaker 3: going over like here's the proper I mean, like I'm

952
00:41:18,160 --> 00:41:20,400
Speaker 3: not a detailed person, which I'm much more of a

953
00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:24,719
Speaker 3: macro gal and my wife is micro. I'm macro, and

954
00:41:24,760 --> 00:41:25,319
Speaker 3: so we make.

955
00:41:25,239 --> 00:41:26,200
Speaker 4: A good pair, you know.

956
00:41:26,640 --> 00:41:29,319
Speaker 3: And but I do really like it because I love

957
00:41:29,560 --> 00:41:32,480
Speaker 3: coming up with something from nothing. Is like this part

958
00:41:32,680 --> 00:41:33,960
Speaker 3: that I'm in right now, where I get to just

959
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:36,360
Speaker 3: sort of dream up a new world is so fun.

960
00:41:36,719 --> 00:41:39,160
Speaker 3: I get to people my world. I get to create

961
00:41:39,239 --> 00:41:41,239
Speaker 3: a writer's room of people I want to spend time with,

962
00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:43,720
Speaker 3: and then think of actors I want to work with.

963
00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:47,040
Speaker 1: And she gestured lucky us.

964
00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:48,719
Speaker 4: It was more of a no.

965
00:41:50,760 --> 00:41:53,000
Speaker 3: I would I would work with you again in a heartbeat,

966
00:41:53,040 --> 00:41:55,120
Speaker 3: and I would work with the first time.

967
00:41:55,719 --> 00:42:00,719
Speaker 4: I would be lucky to no, she.

968
00:42:00,719 --> 00:42:03,840
Speaker 1: Offered you a part right here. No, I'm like, I

969
00:42:03,880 --> 00:42:06,200
Speaker 1: sound right for that. We don't really compete for.

970
00:42:06,239 --> 00:42:08,520
Speaker 2: No, because you don't audition anymore because I don't think

971
00:42:08,520 --> 00:42:11,600
Speaker 2: I'm good at it, Bowen, I'm a bad auditioner.

972
00:42:11,640 --> 00:42:12,760
Speaker 1: No, I can, I can, I can.

973
00:42:12,680 --> 00:42:15,360
Speaker 2: Copy always booked, Like I remember, I remember back in

974
00:42:15,400 --> 00:42:17,480
Speaker 2: the day when we when we both were out for SNL.

975
00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:19,880
Speaker 2: I remember I was like when you booked that, I

976
00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:21,759
Speaker 2: was like, wow, he books because he would book all

977
00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:23,799
Speaker 2: the time, and I felt like I had to book

978
00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:27,319
Speaker 2: SNL in order to make a career happen interesting. I

979
00:42:27,360 --> 00:42:28,960
Speaker 2: was like, I was like, this is the only thing

980
00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:30,719
Speaker 2: I'll be right for because I always got the note

981
00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:32,040
Speaker 2: too big, too big, too big.

982
00:42:32,239 --> 00:42:33,560
Speaker 1: I just thought, I'm never going to work on.

983
00:42:34,200 --> 00:42:34,560
Speaker 4: Big for me.

984
00:42:34,600 --> 00:42:37,480
Speaker 1: Baby. This now like I watch him on NOUGADID and

985
00:42:37,480 --> 00:42:39,880
Speaker 1: I'm like, there's no one more compelling to watch on

986
00:42:39,920 --> 00:42:40,360
Speaker 1: the screen.

987
00:42:41,640 --> 00:42:44,319
Speaker 3: Almost every reviewer thing that was written that I read

988
00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:47,560
Speaker 3: because I never read them all but liked they highlighted

989
00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:50,040
Speaker 3: Matt Rogers, who, by the way, isn't a is in

990
00:42:50,120 --> 00:42:53,239
Speaker 3: a cast of very very very large cast of characters.

991
00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:55,919
Speaker 3: I mean there's nine series regulars, and people are talking

992
00:42:55,920 --> 00:42:58,960
Speaker 3: about Matt Rogers, you know, very kinds in many episodes.

993
00:42:59,000 --> 00:43:01,080
Speaker 1: But but you know, like I can watch them in

994
00:43:01,160 --> 00:43:03,799
Speaker 1: anything and any kind of thing, and yeah, you guys

995
00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:04,560
Speaker 1: are being too much.

996
00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:05,759
Speaker 4: I saw you and I love that for you, And

997
00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:06,799
Speaker 4: I'm like, who is this guy?

998
00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:09,000
Speaker 1: I love that show too, and that show has gone

999
00:43:09,040 --> 00:43:09,439
Speaker 1: too soon?

1000
00:43:09,520 --> 00:43:09,719
Speaker 3: Man?

1001
00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:11,080
Speaker 4: I agree, I agree.

1002
00:43:11,120 --> 00:43:13,759
Speaker 1: I can't believe no one wanted that, like when because

1003
00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:15,279
Speaker 1: they went out they went out to pitch it again

1004
00:43:15,320 --> 00:43:16,759
Speaker 1: and I was just like, this is like, you have

1005
00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:18,160
Speaker 1: so much proof of concepts here.

1006
00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:21,000
Speaker 2: The second season was fully written. I feel like I

1007
00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:22,880
Speaker 2: can say all this now because it's like it's been

1008
00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:25,239
Speaker 2: a long time. But I was just like that just

1009
00:43:25,239 --> 00:43:28,000
Speaker 2: goes to show the industry is in such a rough

1010
00:43:28,200 --> 00:43:29,840
Speaker 2: spot that that show was good.

1011
00:43:30,040 --> 00:43:31,280
Speaker 4: Yeah it had fans.

1012
00:43:31,480 --> 00:43:34,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, it had like you can put it on a

1013
00:43:34,120 --> 00:43:37,680
Speaker 1: Netflix homepage with like Molly Shannon in the fucking literally

1014
00:43:37,719 --> 00:43:39,600
Speaker 1: no reason for people to say no, no reason for

1015
00:43:39,640 --> 00:43:40,840
Speaker 1: a network to say no.

1016
00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:45,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, and yet yeah, well it was an unfortunate timing thing.

1017
00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:48,799
Speaker 3: We're a victim of a regime change, you know, which

1018
00:43:48,840 --> 00:43:50,720
Speaker 3: is like changing.

1019
00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:51,440
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1020
00:43:51,520 --> 00:43:56,120
Speaker 2: Yes, anyways, all this is lovely, but there's a question

1021
00:43:56,200 --> 00:43:59,359
Speaker 2: we have to ask you. Okay, So, Liz Feldman, this

1022
00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:01,160
Speaker 2: is the question how we ask all of our guests.

1023
00:44:01,640 --> 00:44:04,399
Speaker 2: You'll be no different. What was the culture that made

1024
00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:05,560
Speaker 2: you say culture was for you?

1025
00:44:06,040 --> 00:44:09,080
Speaker 3: Hmm. I'm going to say the culture that made me

1026
00:44:09,080 --> 00:44:12,080
Speaker 3: say culture was for me was the original l word.

1027
00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:12,800
Speaker 1: Wow.

1028
00:44:14,239 --> 00:44:19,200
Speaker 2: You know this is really good, been huge, I mean yeah,

1029
00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:21,880
Speaker 2: because I yeah, Well.

1030
00:44:22,120 --> 00:44:24,520
Speaker 3: Here's the true story, which is that, you know, there

1031
00:44:24,600 --> 00:44:28,640
Speaker 3: was nothing for lesbian culture in terms of you know,

1032
00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:31,680
Speaker 3: really being in the mainstream other than when Ellen came out,

1033
00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:33,840
Speaker 3: you know, but that was a she really died on

1034
00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:36,880
Speaker 3: the cross for us on that one, truly. But it

1035
00:44:36,920 --> 00:44:41,080
Speaker 3: wasn't necessarily about you know, affecting sort of pop culture.

1036
00:44:41,120 --> 00:44:44,040
Speaker 3: That was about society to me, you know, her coming

1037
00:44:44,040 --> 00:44:48,400
Speaker 3: out was about changing the temperature of how we feel

1038
00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:49,759
Speaker 3: society about.

1039
00:44:51,640 --> 00:44:52,600
Speaker 1: A respects.

1040
00:44:52,840 --> 00:44:57,440
Speaker 3: But the L word was different because it was a fantasy.

1041
00:44:58,120 --> 00:44:59,880
Speaker 3: But it was a fantasy that was set in a

1042
00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:02,680
Speaker 3: reality that did sort of exist.

1043
00:45:02,680 --> 00:45:03,800
Speaker 4: It just didn't exist for me.

1044
00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:06,279
Speaker 1: Sure you know what I mean. And you're saying the

1045
00:45:06,360 --> 00:45:08,920
Speaker 1: L word is cultural instead of societal, Yes.

1046
00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:11,560
Speaker 3: I do think the L word is cultural. I mean societal.

1047
00:45:11,880 --> 00:45:15,560
Speaker 3: I think that as a result, but cultural in that

1048
00:45:15,680 --> 00:45:17,359
Speaker 3: And and listen, I'm going to say a few things

1049
00:45:17,360 --> 00:45:20,319
Speaker 3: that may be offensive to other queer women out there,

1050
00:45:20,360 --> 00:45:22,359
Speaker 3: but like you know, I'm I'm a gay woman who

1051
00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:24,319
Speaker 3: grew up in the in the eighties and nineties. You know,

1052
00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:28,040
Speaker 3: we had no role models, no direct role models. You know,

1053
00:45:28,080 --> 00:45:30,560
Speaker 3: we were grasping at straws. We were grasping at an

1054
00:45:30,600 --> 00:45:35,920
Speaker 3: empty you know, grasping at like the girl from Just

1055
00:45:35,960 --> 00:45:38,880
Speaker 3: One of the Guys, which was in eighties movies literally

1056
00:45:38,960 --> 00:45:41,240
Speaker 3: before you were born. But you know, there was nothing

1057
00:45:41,239 --> 00:45:44,520
Speaker 3: for us that we were grasping at. Mary stept Masterson

1058
00:45:44,560 --> 00:45:46,600
Speaker 3: and some kind of wonderful who was a straight person

1059
00:45:47,120 --> 00:45:48,400
Speaker 3: it seems sort of gay.

1060
00:45:48,719 --> 00:45:49,960
Speaker 1: There was icono the.

1061
00:45:52,760 --> 00:45:55,600
Speaker 3: Like thank you Katie Lang, we appreciate your work. But

1062
00:45:55,680 --> 00:45:58,160
Speaker 3: when the L word came out, I remember watching it

1063
00:45:58,200 --> 00:45:59,799
Speaker 3: with my one lesbian friend that I had in Last

1064
00:45:59,800 --> 00:46:03,400
Speaker 3: agt at the time and just thinking, Oh my god,

1065
00:46:03,880 --> 00:46:08,400
Speaker 3: it's possible, it's possible. Where are these women. They must exist,

1066
00:46:09,040 --> 00:46:13,759
Speaker 3: they must exist. And we were so enamored of this

1067
00:46:14,080 --> 00:46:16,440
Speaker 3: culture and this sort of group of friends that were

1068
00:46:16,440 --> 00:46:19,759
Speaker 3: created on the show that I kind of think we

1069
00:46:19,880 --> 00:46:22,520
Speaker 3: manifested it because we eventually met them.

1070
00:46:22,719 --> 00:46:25,080
Speaker 1: Yes, And I was a stand.

1071
00:46:24,880 --> 00:46:27,160
Speaker 3: Up at the time, and I was writing and stuff,

1072
00:46:27,160 --> 00:46:30,280
Speaker 3: and I was doing stand up at Dinah Shore Weekend,

1073
00:46:30,440 --> 00:46:34,040
Speaker 3: which for the Deer readers that is the lesbian sort

1074
00:46:34,040 --> 00:46:37,719
Speaker 3: of like Coachella, if you will. And I was doing

1075
00:46:37,760 --> 00:46:40,640
Speaker 3: stand up and the Ellward gals were doing a like,

1076
00:46:40,719 --> 00:46:43,719
Speaker 3: you know, meet and greet kind of while the show

1077
00:46:43,800 --> 00:46:46,680
Speaker 3: is still long, and somebody took them to come and

1078
00:46:46,719 --> 00:46:49,960
Speaker 3: see my stand up and I had been doing the

1079
00:46:50,080 --> 00:46:51,680
Speaker 3: silliest vlogs.

1080
00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:53,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, I said, flog that's right.

1081
00:46:55,239 --> 00:46:57,680
Speaker 3: I had been doing these very silly vlogs with some

1082
00:46:57,840 --> 00:47:01,879
Speaker 3: other lesbians where we essentially like recapped the L word.

1083
00:47:01,880 --> 00:47:03,640
Speaker 3: We made fun of the L word and recapped it,

1084
00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:06,880
Speaker 3: and they had been watching it. Unbeknown all the cast

1085
00:47:06,960 --> 00:47:10,319
Speaker 3: had been watching these vlogs. Kate Mana came up to

1086
00:47:10,360 --> 00:47:13,800
Speaker 3: me and said, I'm a huge fan, and I almost fainted.

1087
00:47:13,920 --> 00:47:14,600
Speaker 1: This is like.

1088
00:47:16,239 --> 00:47:18,719
Speaker 4: Parker, and I.

1089
00:47:18,640 --> 00:47:22,440
Speaker 3: Was like, well, of them on yours and we have

1090
00:47:22,560 --> 00:47:26,080
Speaker 3: been friends ever sincere friends. She's one of my dearest friends.

1091
00:47:26,120 --> 00:47:27,840
Speaker 1: She's great and no good, d wonderful.

1092
00:47:27,840 --> 00:47:30,000
Speaker 3: I wrote the part for her. I mean it's like

1093
00:47:30,640 --> 00:47:32,520
Speaker 3: it's it's who else could be that.

1094
00:47:32,719 --> 00:47:35,279
Speaker 2: You don't even like obviously you do know, but like

1095
00:47:35,360 --> 00:47:38,760
Speaker 2: when it hit on Netflix and everyone freaking the fuck

1096
00:47:38,840 --> 00:47:41,840
Speaker 2: out when they saw Carl in bed with Kate, Like

1097
00:47:42,040 --> 00:47:44,520
Speaker 2: it was like, how much of that was you?

1098
00:47:44,600 --> 00:47:47,839
Speaker 1: Being like he lesbian? I'm feeding the lesbians right now?

1099
00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:49,360
Speaker 4: You had to do You have to think about your

1100
00:47:49,360 --> 00:47:50,400
Speaker 4: audience a little bit.

1101
00:47:50,800 --> 00:47:52,600
Speaker 1: Because then you'll think back and you're like, you're an

1102
00:47:52,640 --> 00:47:54,040
Speaker 1: audience that wanted that at one.

1103
00:47:53,960 --> 00:47:56,920
Speaker 4: Point, exactly, forget about that. I think that's the.

1104
00:47:56,840 --> 00:47:59,160
Speaker 3: Most important thing to do when you are in the

1105
00:47:59,440 --> 00:48:02,040
Speaker 3: very lucky position to create shows is create something you

1106
00:48:02,080 --> 00:48:04,480
Speaker 3: want to watch because the odds are other people want

1107
00:48:04,480 --> 00:48:05,040
Speaker 3: to watch it too.

1108
00:48:14,760 --> 00:48:17,239
Speaker 1: That's so incredible that you would go from making that

1109
00:48:17,440 --> 00:48:20,919
Speaker 1: very a stute observation about Ellen or about that time

1110
00:48:20,960 --> 00:48:24,040
Speaker 1: period having no role models to I mean, my nose

1111
00:48:24,080 --> 00:48:25,680
Speaker 1: is so far up your ass, but you you are

1112
00:48:25,719 --> 00:48:27,759
Speaker 1: that role model, now, you know what I mean? And

1113
00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:30,280
Speaker 1: it's like, thank you for reminding us of this, because

1114
00:48:30,320 --> 00:48:32,719
Speaker 1: it's kind of the same with gay male culture. We've

1115
00:48:32,719 --> 00:48:35,920
Speaker 1: been spoiled our you know, whole cultural lives. There's always

1116
00:48:35,960 --> 00:48:38,880
Speaker 1: been queer men at the four in some ways, but

1117
00:48:38,920 --> 00:48:41,360
Speaker 1: I feel like there was this waste land of a

1118
00:48:41,400 --> 00:48:44,080
Speaker 1: period in the odds and especially in the nineties. But

1119
00:48:44,080 --> 00:48:46,399
Speaker 1: like I remember just being on IMDb message boards being

1120
00:48:46,440 --> 00:48:48,680
Speaker 1: like is this actor again? Like that was our only

1121
00:48:48,840 --> 00:48:50,800
Speaker 1: way of figuring it out right, you know.

1122
00:48:51,080 --> 00:48:54,440
Speaker 2: And now how many like not open secrets, but like,

1123
00:48:54,600 --> 00:48:58,280
Speaker 2: how many people just like are gay and are huge stars,

1124
00:48:58,800 --> 00:49:01,560
Speaker 2: like and they're either out or it's not that they're

1125
00:49:01,640 --> 00:49:04,400
Speaker 2: not out, it's just not a thing, not a thing exactly.

1126
00:49:04,480 --> 00:49:08,560
Speaker 2: No one really talks about it. And I guess it's better, right,

1127
00:49:09,560 --> 00:49:10,040
Speaker 2: But it's.

1128
00:49:09,920 --> 00:49:11,680
Speaker 1: Like you have like a Coleman Domingo who's like a

1129
00:49:11,719 --> 00:49:14,680
Speaker 1: Best Actor nominee twice over now, and you're like, Oh,

1130
00:49:14,880 --> 00:49:17,759
Speaker 1: it's not hampered you in any way, No, because it's

1131
00:49:17,800 --> 00:49:18,520
Speaker 1: really not a thing.

1132
00:49:18,600 --> 00:49:20,560
Speaker 3: It's not a thing in so far as you guys,

1133
00:49:20,560 --> 00:49:23,520
Speaker 3: Being brunette shouldn't be a thing for sure, and being

1134
00:49:23,880 --> 00:49:26,400
Speaker 3: Asian shouldn't be a thing. Being like you're a talented

1135
00:49:26,520 --> 00:49:29,680
Speaker 3: artist with something to say that should be the thing.

1136
00:49:29,600 --> 00:49:32,480
Speaker 1: Exactly, which gives me hope for like the way that

1137
00:49:32,600 --> 00:49:37,880
Speaker 1: like trans people still keep getting vilified and keep like

1138
00:49:37,960 --> 00:49:39,799
Speaker 1: getting put through the ringer in terms of like oh,

1139
00:49:39,840 --> 00:49:41,040
Speaker 1: we like them now or we hate them now, we

1140
00:49:41,040 --> 00:49:42,440
Speaker 1: like the man. It's like it's like it seems like

1141
00:49:42,640 --> 00:49:46,120
Speaker 1: society has not figured out how to feel about trans people,

1142
00:49:46,640 --> 00:49:49,239
Speaker 1: especially now. But it's like, oh, but you literally have

1143
00:49:49,280 --> 00:49:52,120
Speaker 1: a trans Best Actress nominee just by all the things

1144
00:49:52,120 --> 00:49:54,839
Speaker 1: that she's done, Yeah, she's still a compelling actress. She's

1145
00:49:54,840 --> 00:49:58,040
Speaker 1: still delivered an amazing performance. It just gives me just

1146
00:49:58,080 --> 00:50:00,680
Speaker 1: it's like, oh, like if we could extrap a hopefully

1147
00:50:00,800 --> 00:50:04,120
Speaker 1: that means something in the near future, that's like pretty incredible.

1148
00:50:04,120 --> 00:50:05,279
Speaker 3: I don't know, but that is one of the things

1149
00:50:05,280 --> 00:50:08,239
Speaker 3: that I love about the entertainment business and about being

1150
00:50:08,719 --> 00:50:13,560
Speaker 3: storytellers is that we do sort of help society tip,

1151
00:50:14,239 --> 00:50:15,880
Speaker 3: you know, and I think we were so close to

1152
00:50:15,880 --> 00:50:18,759
Speaker 3: a tipping point with the trans community and with the

1153
00:50:18,800 --> 00:50:25,080
Speaker 3: perception of trans people, and unfortunately the forces of the

1154
00:50:25,239 --> 00:50:29,560
Speaker 3: escape them. They escapegoaded them, and they pulled them, you know,

1155
00:50:29,640 --> 00:50:31,719
Speaker 3: in this tug of war to the other side, and

1156
00:50:31,800 --> 00:50:34,360
Speaker 3: turned people against them, just totally based out of fear

1157
00:50:34,840 --> 00:50:35,960
Speaker 3: and bad statistics.

1158
00:50:36,480 --> 00:50:41,200
Speaker 2: It's also wild because that show, The L Word gets

1159
00:50:41,239 --> 00:50:44,319
Speaker 2: rediscovered all the time. In fact, when I was at

1160
00:50:44,400 --> 00:50:49,160
Speaker 2: Coachella last year, Rene Rap performed and she had the

1161
00:50:49,200 --> 00:50:52,480
Speaker 2: cast of The L Word introduce her because it's her

1162
00:50:52,480 --> 00:50:55,640
Speaker 2: favorite show, of course, and just like watching.

1163
00:50:57,560 --> 00:51:00,319
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, the L Word came back and

1164
00:51:00,320 --> 00:51:02,600
Speaker 3: I think it was the next gen gen Z. You know,

1165
00:51:02,680 --> 00:51:05,759
Speaker 3: that was less for me because I you know, it

1166
00:51:05,840 --> 00:51:08,040
Speaker 3: was more of an OG fan, right, But it was

1167
00:51:08,080 --> 00:51:11,759
Speaker 3: also just I mean just even fashion wise, and you know,

1168
00:51:11,880 --> 00:51:14,279
Speaker 3: just the way in which that we present ourselves. Like

1169
00:51:14,600 --> 00:51:16,600
Speaker 3: you know, when I was growing up in the nineties,

1170
00:51:16,800 --> 00:51:18,080
Speaker 3: you know, it was very like.

1171
00:51:18,360 --> 00:51:21,680
Speaker 4: Flannel shirt, unfortunate haircut.

1172
00:51:21,160 --> 00:51:23,480
Speaker 1: Times, you know, was the haircut.

1173
00:51:23,600 --> 00:51:25,440
Speaker 4: I mean I had a mullet. I did have a mallet.

1174
00:51:26,280 --> 00:51:28,799
Speaker 3: We have a late eighties mullet, more of a late eightiesmulllet,

1175
00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:30,920
Speaker 3: like more of a junior high kind of vibe, got it,

1176
00:51:31,640 --> 00:51:34,560
Speaker 3: or like even middle school. I My style icon at

1177
00:51:34,600 --> 00:51:37,560
Speaker 3: the time was Alex P. Keaton from Family Time, By the.

1178
00:51:37,480 --> 00:51:39,600
Speaker 1: Way I did. I didn't realize this that he was

1179
00:51:39,600 --> 00:51:45,080
Speaker 1: like a conservative icon well, because not icon, but he was.

1180
00:51:45,400 --> 00:51:47,840
Speaker 2: The bit of him was that he had liberal parents

1181
00:51:48,320 --> 00:51:52,480
Speaker 2: and he was an nineteen eighties like young conservative man

1182
00:51:52,560 --> 00:51:53,759
Speaker 2: being like, this is the way we're going to do.

1183
00:51:54,440 --> 00:51:55,880
Speaker 4: He was the outlier of his family.

1184
00:51:55,920 --> 00:51:58,880
Speaker 3: And I love that show unknowingly because I was the

1185
00:51:58,920 --> 00:52:02,000
Speaker 3: outlier of my even though he was playing this like

1186
00:52:02,040 --> 00:52:05,080
Speaker 3: conservative Republican kid. I related to that character because it

1187
00:52:05,120 --> 00:52:06,600
Speaker 3: was almost as if he was the gay.

1188
00:52:06,520 --> 00:52:08,560
Speaker 1: Kid at a Yes, yes, I love it.

1189
00:52:09,120 --> 00:52:11,719
Speaker 3: But then the l word, like the fashion was like

1190
00:52:12,080 --> 00:52:15,480
Speaker 3: on point. They were hot, they had cool haircuts, you know,

1191
00:52:15,560 --> 00:52:19,440
Speaker 3: they did cool things, They went out, They forged this

1192
00:52:19,640 --> 00:52:23,520
Speaker 3: whole community and life. You know that I just wanted

1193
00:52:23,560 --> 00:52:26,719
Speaker 3: so badly. And the irony is that just a few

1194
00:52:26,760 --> 00:52:29,800
Speaker 3: years later I got to have it with those act people,

1195
00:52:30,560 --> 00:52:33,000
Speaker 3: those parts and like I just you know, manifestation is

1196
00:52:33,080 --> 00:52:34,160
Speaker 3: real baby, Oh.

1197
00:52:34,040 --> 00:52:37,440
Speaker 1: I know it. That's actually so so true, so true.

1198
00:52:37,719 --> 00:52:40,400
Speaker 1: It's also so important to hear you say and to

1199
00:52:40,520 --> 00:52:44,240
Speaker 1: remember write something that you would want to watch, because

1200
00:52:44,239 --> 00:52:48,239
Speaker 1: that actually makes creating so much easier. Yeah, it's one

1201
00:52:48,239 --> 00:52:49,440
Speaker 1: of those sentences.

1202
00:52:50,400 --> 00:52:52,799
Speaker 2: And I'm almost connecting it to an improv thing, which

1203
00:52:52,840 --> 00:52:55,040
Speaker 2: is this always makes it easier for me too, which

1204
00:52:55,120 --> 00:52:56,919
Speaker 2: is if this is true, what else is true?

1205
00:52:56,920 --> 00:52:58,239
Speaker 1: It's just an easy generator.

1206
00:52:58,560 --> 00:53:00,440
Speaker 2: But like, write something that you would want to watch,

1207
00:53:00,640 --> 00:53:03,440
Speaker 2: is like, of course I would do that, you know

1208
00:53:03,480 --> 00:53:05,840
Speaker 2: what I mean? And like and also if you're thinking

1209
00:53:05,840 --> 00:53:08,839
Speaker 2: about it that way, you're not the only one, you know, like,

1210
00:53:08,880 --> 00:53:12,480
Speaker 2: so it's really easy fun in Yeah.

1211
00:53:12,640 --> 00:53:16,000
Speaker 3: Also it's gonna make it a better rite told you

1212
00:53:16,160 --> 00:53:17,879
Speaker 3: of course if you want to you know, if that's

1213
00:53:17,920 --> 00:53:19,400
Speaker 3: the kind of thing you were going to be interested

1214
00:53:19,440 --> 00:53:21,839
Speaker 3: in watching, you'll be more interested in writing it too,

1215
00:53:22,080 --> 00:53:24,040
Speaker 3: And it won't make it as painful of a process

1216
00:53:24,040 --> 00:53:25,040
Speaker 3: that it was always painful.

1217
00:53:26,000 --> 00:53:29,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, when was when were you out? So? Like, how

1218
00:53:29,080 --> 00:53:31,800
Speaker 1: far along in your queer journey were you when Elward

1219
00:53:31,840 --> 00:53:33,400
Speaker 1: fell upon your lap? Oh?

1220
00:53:33,440 --> 00:53:34,399
Speaker 4: I was I was pretty far.

1221
00:53:34,520 --> 00:53:36,520
Speaker 3: I mean I was like twenty six or twenty seven,

1222
00:53:36,560 --> 00:53:38,680
Speaker 3: So I mean that's how long of a darth I

1223
00:53:38,840 --> 00:53:39,759
Speaker 3: was operating.

1224
00:53:40,400 --> 00:53:41,880
Speaker 4: And I mean I was.

1225
00:53:41,960 --> 00:53:46,000
Speaker 3: I kissed my first girl at sixteen, totally seduced by

1226
00:53:46,000 --> 00:53:50,160
Speaker 3: a girl who had gone to boarding school new things

1227
00:53:50,160 --> 00:53:53,319
Speaker 3: I didn't and thank you so much and love. I

1228
00:53:53,360 --> 00:53:56,360
Speaker 3: didn't really know exactly what I was because I had

1229
00:53:56,400 --> 00:53:59,200
Speaker 3: actually weirdly been boy crazy before I had kissed a

1230
00:53:59,200 --> 00:53:59,680
Speaker 3: girl then.

1231
00:53:59,600 --> 00:54:03,759
Speaker 4: Became crazy, and so you know, this was long before.

1232
00:54:03,480 --> 00:54:07,480
Speaker 3: Fluidity or even bisexuality was like a really accepted thing,

1233
00:54:08,080 --> 00:54:10,000
Speaker 3: and so I wasn't really I was like still sort

1234
00:54:10,000 --> 00:54:13,719
Speaker 3: of trying to figure myself out. And my mother, at

1235
00:54:13,760 --> 00:54:15,960
Speaker 3: seventeen years old, so I'm a senior in high school,

1236
00:54:16,320 --> 00:54:18,719
Speaker 3: gave me a letter and she said, you're going to

1237
00:54:18,800 --> 00:54:21,480
Speaker 3: read this in the car and I'm going to drive

1238
00:54:21,520 --> 00:54:23,120
Speaker 3: and you're gonna read it in front of me. And

1239
00:54:23,160 --> 00:54:25,680
Speaker 3: she was driving me to my SAT tutor at the time.

1240
00:54:26,080 --> 00:54:27,920
Speaker 3: And I opened it up and it was two poems.

1241
00:54:28,000 --> 00:54:31,239
Speaker 3: One poem was a daughter talking to the mother. It

1242
00:54:31,320 --> 00:54:33,960
Speaker 3: rhymed and it was something like, I don't know what

1243
00:54:34,120 --> 00:54:36,719
Speaker 3: to say when a girl walks by my way. I

1244
00:54:36,760 --> 00:54:39,600
Speaker 3: think I might be gay and I'm reading this and

1245
00:54:39,640 --> 00:54:43,040
Speaker 3: I'm in no way, shape or form ready to come out.

1246
00:54:43,719 --> 00:54:46,600
Speaker 3: Then the second letter is actually a poem from the

1247
00:54:46,719 --> 00:54:51,120
Speaker 3: mother to the daughter, also rhyming, and it says something like,

1248
00:54:51,160 --> 00:54:53,400
Speaker 3: you know, have no doubt we'll figure it out, like

1249
00:54:53,440 --> 00:54:55,560
Speaker 3: that kind of thing. And I was stunned. So my

1250
00:54:55,600 --> 00:54:59,839
Speaker 3: mother outed me at seventeen. I'm gonna guess a full

1251
00:55:00,040 --> 00:55:03,280
Speaker 3: five years before I would have probably done so myself.

1252
00:55:03,920 --> 00:55:06,240
Speaker 4: And so that really started my journey.

1253
00:55:06,360 --> 00:55:08,000
Speaker 1: Did that feel like an active kindness or we an

1254
00:55:08,040 --> 00:55:11,160
Speaker 1: active like shock, like like oh I would please, yeah,

1255
00:55:11,160 --> 00:55:12,400
Speaker 1: what or did it feel like an imposition?

1256
00:55:12,920 --> 00:55:13,720
Speaker 4: It was a shock.

1257
00:55:13,800 --> 00:55:16,040
Speaker 3: I would call it a shock because I wasn't ready,

1258
00:55:16,080 --> 00:55:20,120
Speaker 3: of course, and I appreciate that she saw me, but

1259
00:55:20,239 --> 00:55:22,400
Speaker 3: she almost like saw me too well. It's like, you know,

1260
00:55:22,600 --> 00:55:25,080
Speaker 3: she saw the X ray version of me, where you know,

1261
00:55:25,239 --> 00:55:28,040
Speaker 3: like it was bones and everything, and I wasn't really

1262
00:55:28,080 --> 00:55:30,360
Speaker 3: ready for that, and I was mostly not ready to

1263
00:55:30,400 --> 00:55:33,359
Speaker 3: tell my father, who at the time was quite homophobic,

1264
00:55:33,760 --> 00:55:35,359
Speaker 3: and so I was like, it was please don't tell dad.

1265
00:55:35,360 --> 00:55:38,160
Speaker 3: I mean it's nineteenninety four, nineteen eighty four, so please

1266
00:55:38,200 --> 00:55:40,840
Speaker 3: don't tell dad. And then of course that night my

1267
00:55:40,920 --> 00:55:44,080
Speaker 3: father who's like very Brooklyn comes home and he's like,

1268
00:55:44,120 --> 00:55:47,399
Speaker 3: your mother said, you might have something that you might

1269
00:55:47,480 --> 00:55:50,239
Speaker 3: want to talk about. You have some questions, and I'm like,

1270
00:55:50,320 --> 00:55:52,040
Speaker 3: let me tell you who. I don't want to ask

1271
00:55:52,080 --> 00:55:55,600
Speaker 3: these questions too, yea. So I said, I just I

1272
00:55:55,880 --> 00:55:58,320
Speaker 3: have to say I really admire myself at that age

1273
00:55:58,320 --> 00:56:01,960
Speaker 3: because I was very sell I don't know, I was

1274
00:56:02,000 --> 00:56:04,200
Speaker 3: self possessed. And I said, yeah, you know, I have

1275
00:56:04,239 --> 00:56:08,480
Speaker 3: been having questions but it's okay, you know, and you know,

1276
00:56:08,520 --> 00:56:10,800
Speaker 3: I think I like girls, but I also like boys

1277
00:56:10,800 --> 00:56:13,760
Speaker 3: and blah blah blah. And he kind of started to cry,

1278
00:56:13,880 --> 00:56:16,600
Speaker 3: which was very shocking because he's a really tough guy.

1279
00:56:16,840 --> 00:56:18,200
Speaker 3: And then he said he wanted me to go get

1280
00:56:18,200 --> 00:56:20,680
Speaker 3: my head checked by a psychiatrist.

1281
00:56:21,480 --> 00:56:23,279
Speaker 4: And I said, I'll only go if you come with me.

1282
00:56:24,640 --> 00:56:27,160
Speaker 3: And I was like it was just such a weird time.

1283
00:56:27,800 --> 00:56:30,759
Speaker 3: So we went, and I was seventeen. All I really

1284
00:56:30,800 --> 00:56:33,359
Speaker 3: cared about was driving, Like I wasn't ready to like

1285
00:56:33,520 --> 00:56:36,000
Speaker 3: profess anything about who I would be or end up

1286
00:56:36,000 --> 00:56:39,040
Speaker 3: being with or anything like that. So we go all together.

1287
00:56:39,440 --> 00:56:43,040
Speaker 3: She gives me a psychological evaluation, we all meet separately

1288
00:56:43,080 --> 00:56:44,880
Speaker 3: with her, then we all meet together as a family

1289
00:56:44,920 --> 00:56:47,400
Speaker 3: with her. She said I was the most mentally stable

1290
00:56:47,440 --> 00:56:49,960
Speaker 3: teenager she had ever had in her office, and that

1291
00:56:50,040 --> 00:56:52,200
Speaker 3: I didn't need therapy, but she recommended that my parents

1292
00:56:52,239 --> 00:56:55,960
Speaker 3: stay on. Oh wow, I swear to God. We walk

1293
00:56:55,960 --> 00:56:58,359
Speaker 3: out of her office. My father gave me the case

1294
00:56:58,400 --> 00:56:59,799
Speaker 3: of the cars the first time they let me drive

1295
00:56:59,840 --> 00:57:00,399
Speaker 3: the car our home.

1296
00:57:01,920 --> 00:57:04,640
Speaker 1: You have you written about this? This is incredible.

1297
00:57:04,719 --> 00:57:05,960
Speaker 4: I've written a version of it.

1298
00:57:06,000 --> 00:57:08,120
Speaker 3: I did a short film with my sister, Rebecca Feldman,

1299
00:57:08,160 --> 00:57:10,560
Speaker 3: who's a very talented writerom director in her own right.

1300
00:57:10,920 --> 00:57:13,480
Speaker 3: We did a short film called My First Time Driving.

1301
00:57:14,360 --> 00:57:17,080
Speaker 3: But I should say it's worth a revisit. It's worth

1302
00:57:17,080 --> 00:57:17,560
Speaker 3: a revisit.

1303
00:57:17,800 --> 00:57:19,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's stunning.

1304
00:57:20,240 --> 00:57:24,080
Speaker 2: Just like that image of them allowing you to drive

1305
00:57:24,200 --> 00:57:28,080
Speaker 2: them while they've been told that as full grown adults

1306
00:57:28,120 --> 00:57:31,040
Speaker 2: they may have like more to figure out. I mean,

1307
00:57:31,760 --> 00:57:33,800
Speaker 2: it's wild. I mean, I mean when I was a

1308
00:57:33,800 --> 00:57:36,080
Speaker 2: little kid, might I'll never forget. One of the things

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00:57:36,080 --> 00:57:39,680
Speaker 2: that my dad told me and I internalized was my

1310
00:57:39,760 --> 00:57:42,840
Speaker 2: dad's also a very long island guy, and I remember

1311
00:57:42,880 --> 00:57:45,360
Speaker 2: he said to me, he was like, I know everything,

1312
00:57:45,800 --> 00:57:47,720
Speaker 2: and if you ever have a question, you come to

1313
00:57:47,760 --> 00:57:49,560
Speaker 2: me and I will give you the answer because I

1314
00:57:49,640 --> 00:57:54,200
Speaker 2: know everything okay, cool, and so I think that he

1315
00:57:54,280 --> 00:57:56,520
Speaker 2: was just trying to make sure I didn't, you know,

1316
00:57:56,760 --> 00:57:58,960
Speaker 2: act out and go try and I think it was

1317
00:57:59,000 --> 00:58:01,800
Speaker 2: well intentioned. Every thing my father ever did as well intentioned.

1318
00:58:02,520 --> 00:58:07,320
Speaker 2: But internalizing that and then realizing that he, like any

1319
00:58:07,560 --> 00:58:10,960
Speaker 2: man in the nineties and aughts, you know, like that's

1320
00:58:11,000 --> 00:58:13,520
Speaker 2: like my dad's a varsity football baseball coach, you know,

1321
00:58:13,600 --> 00:58:17,120
Speaker 2: and then the culture around us, you know, like very

1322
00:58:17,320 --> 00:58:22,480
Speaker 2: like patriarchal, male dominated culture. And I do mean in

1323
00:58:22,520 --> 00:58:25,560
Speaker 2: all ways as we all know. But to start to

1324
00:58:25,680 --> 00:58:29,440
Speaker 2: feel like my identity was at odds with what that

1325
00:58:29,600 --> 00:58:32,080
Speaker 2: society was saying was tough.

1326
00:58:32,120 --> 00:58:33,080
Speaker 1: And it wasn't like.

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00:58:33,080 --> 00:58:34,959
Speaker 2: I could go to my dad with that question because

1328
00:58:35,000 --> 00:58:37,520
Speaker 2: I don't know that in two thousand and four he

1329
00:58:37,560 --> 00:58:39,760
Speaker 2: would have had the right thing to say. Ultimately, he

1330
00:58:39,840 --> 00:58:42,840
Speaker 2: did and was lovely and is lovely and such a

1331
00:58:42,880 --> 00:58:47,800
Speaker 2: supporter and like such a wonderful, lovely man. But it's

1332
00:58:47,880 --> 00:58:51,720
Speaker 2: hard when your parents are supposed to be this thing, yeah,

1333
00:58:51,760 --> 00:58:54,920
Speaker 2: and then you realize they're human. And so it sounds

1334
00:58:54,920 --> 00:58:57,840
Speaker 2: like in that story is what happened was not only

1335
00:58:57,880 --> 00:59:01,000
Speaker 2: did you confront and realize parents' humanity.

1336
00:59:01,000 --> 00:59:02,360
Speaker 1: But it was confirmed for you.

1337
00:59:02,560 --> 00:59:08,040
Speaker 3: It was, it really was, and my parents had marital problems, and.

1338
00:59:08,040 --> 00:59:08,960
Speaker 4: I realized too.

1339
00:59:09,000 --> 00:59:10,720
Speaker 3: It was my mother who had sort of whispered in

1340
00:59:10,760 --> 00:59:12,960
Speaker 3: my ear, saying, tell your father that you won't go

1341
00:59:13,720 --> 00:59:17,040
Speaker 3: to therapy without him, And.

1342
00:59:17,000 --> 00:59:20,400
Speaker 4: It was because she really wanted to go to therapy

1343
00:59:20,440 --> 00:59:20,760
Speaker 4: with him.

1344
00:59:20,840 --> 00:59:21,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, and.

1345
00:59:21,960 --> 00:59:25,680
Speaker 3: She was sort of trying to save her relationship. And

1346
00:59:26,920 --> 00:59:30,240
Speaker 3: you know, spoiler alert, they're divorced. And but you know,

1347
00:59:30,360 --> 00:59:33,240
Speaker 3: that was the beginning, certainly of seeing them as fallible,

1348
00:59:33,720 --> 00:59:35,520
Speaker 3: you know, vulnerable people for sure.

1349
00:59:35,360 --> 00:59:37,960
Speaker 1: And all that catalyzed by your mom making you read

1350
00:59:38,000 --> 00:59:38,720
Speaker 1: this poem in the car.

1351
00:59:38,840 --> 00:59:39,440
Speaker 4: Yeah exactly.

1352
00:59:39,560 --> 00:59:42,080
Speaker 1: It's like something was kind of foisted on you in

1353
00:59:42,120 --> 00:59:42,560
Speaker 1: that way.

1354
00:59:42,720 --> 00:59:45,120
Speaker 3: Yes, And I think it's because my mom ultimately is

1355
00:59:45,160 --> 00:59:48,280
Speaker 3: a very liberal and very accepting person. I think she

1356
00:59:48,360 --> 00:59:51,400
Speaker 3: knew who I was for long before I did, and

1357
00:59:51,480 --> 00:59:54,480
Speaker 3: I think she knew that I had a father that

1358
00:59:55,080 --> 00:59:58,040
Speaker 3: would be oppositional to that, and I think she was

1359
00:59:58,080 --> 01:00:00,960
Speaker 3: also trying to sort of, you know, bolden me and

1360
01:00:01,040 --> 01:00:05,160
Speaker 3: protect me and also literally change him. And it took

1361
01:00:05,200 --> 01:00:09,120
Speaker 3: a minute, but he is a totally evolved person in

1362
01:00:09,160 --> 01:00:12,760
Speaker 3: that way. He's eighty eight years old. He was like, yeah,

1363
01:00:13,960 --> 01:00:16,800
Speaker 3: God willing, I hope so. But like, you know, he

1364
01:00:16,960 --> 01:00:19,440
Speaker 3: like gave a beautiful toast at my wedding, and you know,

1365
01:00:19,480 --> 01:00:21,000
Speaker 3: I mean like he has really come around.

1366
01:00:21,840 --> 01:00:28,280
Speaker 2: It's lovely to see not people change, sure, but men change,

1367
01:00:28,680 --> 01:00:30,840
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, Like just to watch a

1368
01:00:30,920 --> 01:00:34,320
Speaker 2: straight man like that's a very you have to be.

1369
01:00:34,640 --> 01:00:37,080
Speaker 2: And I don't give a lot of credit, but I

1370
01:00:37,120 --> 01:00:41,080
Speaker 2: will say that, you know, I really respect when my

1371
01:00:41,160 --> 01:00:43,520
Speaker 2: dad stands up to his friends who like Trump, you

1372
01:00:43,560 --> 01:00:45,120
Speaker 2: know what I mean. My dad will give it to

1373
01:00:45,200 --> 01:00:46,840
Speaker 2: these guys that like Trump.

1374
01:00:47,000 --> 01:00:48,760
Speaker 1: Like, and you know, my dad wasn't a My dad

1375
01:00:48,800 --> 01:00:52,320
Speaker 1: was a phyz ed teacher, like varsity sports coach for

1376
01:00:52,360 --> 01:00:56,400
Speaker 1: a very long time, surrounded by attitudes that suck, yea,

1377
01:00:56,680 --> 01:00:58,280
Speaker 1: attitudes that fucking suck.

1378
01:00:58,440 --> 01:01:01,919
Speaker 2: Yeah, And it's really hard to be the person being like, hey,

1379
01:01:02,400 --> 01:01:06,920
Speaker 2: knock it off, like care for women, care for minorities,

1380
01:01:06,960 --> 01:01:10,160
Speaker 2: care for queer people, care for trans people. But there's

1381
01:01:10,160 --> 01:01:12,840
Speaker 2: a lot of people out there doing it, and I

1382
01:01:12,840 --> 01:01:15,320
Speaker 2: think it's important, and I also I just want to

1383
01:01:15,360 --> 01:01:18,480
Speaker 2: acknowledge that change is very.

1384
01:01:18,280 --> 01:01:21,000
Speaker 1: Difficult for some people, and you do have to be brave. Yes,

1385
01:01:21,120 --> 01:01:22,840
Speaker 1: you have to be very brave to do that.

1386
01:01:22,960 --> 01:01:24,360
Speaker 4: You really do, you really do.

1387
01:01:24,520 --> 01:01:26,600
Speaker 3: And I have to credit the fact that my father

1388
01:01:26,640 --> 01:01:30,640
Speaker 3: married a woman thirty years younger than him after my

1389
01:01:30,680 --> 01:01:33,880
Speaker 3: parents got divorced, and so you know, she has really

1390
01:01:34,000 --> 01:01:35,640
Speaker 3: helped him modernize.

1391
01:01:35,920 --> 01:01:37,440
Speaker 4: Wait, but can I can I just.

1392
01:01:37,440 --> 01:01:40,440
Speaker 3: Say that question you asked earlier of when you were

1393
01:01:40,480 --> 01:01:43,680
Speaker 3: asking what's the age that you wish that you could be?

1394
01:01:44,560 --> 01:01:46,000
Speaker 3: My answer is thirty five?

1395
01:01:46,320 --> 01:01:48,440
Speaker 1: Really, yes, wow, because.

1396
01:01:48,240 --> 01:01:51,080
Speaker 3: I got married at thirty five and that was such

1397
01:01:51,120 --> 01:01:53,800
Speaker 3: a lifelong goal of mine that I thought would never.

1398
01:01:53,680 --> 01:02:02,600
Speaker 1: Be married married to make it, yeah, my lifelong dream

1399
01:02:02,680 --> 01:02:05,560
Speaker 1: and that's that, so being clear, and that's if I

1400
01:02:05,600 --> 01:02:06,240
Speaker 1: make it to third I.

1401
01:02:06,240 --> 01:02:09,640
Speaker 2: Remember saying it out about it, yeah, please the moment

1402
01:02:09,840 --> 01:02:12,200
Speaker 2: the moment I realized I was gay, the moment I

1403
01:02:12,240 --> 01:02:14,800
Speaker 2: remember I was eleven years old, and I remember the moment.

1404
01:02:15,360 --> 01:02:19,320
Speaker 2: I remember thinking the emotion was abject terror because I

1405
01:02:19,360 --> 01:02:24,000
Speaker 2: was like I'll die, yeah for sure, or like the

1406
01:02:24,040 --> 01:02:26,160
Speaker 2: world would have totally changed from what it is right

1407
01:02:26,160 --> 01:02:28,600
Speaker 2: now for me to like ever be okay with this

1408
01:02:28,760 --> 01:02:29,760
Speaker 2: or tell people about this.

1409
01:02:30,080 --> 01:02:32,320
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, so yeah, honestly, like you say, I like

1410
01:02:32,320 --> 01:02:34,200
Speaker 1: to make it to thirty five, But I couldn't see

1411
01:02:34,280 --> 01:02:36,640
Speaker 1: thirty five for myself because, as you were saying earlier,

1412
01:02:37,440 --> 01:02:38,720
Speaker 1: where were the examples of it?

1413
01:02:38,800 --> 01:02:39,200
Speaker 4: Exactly?

1414
01:02:39,320 --> 01:02:41,320
Speaker 1: Where were the examples in media of us?

1415
01:02:41,400 --> 01:02:45,080
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, yeah, it's true. I mean, like so yeah,

1416
01:02:45,080 --> 01:02:47,640
Speaker 3: this sort of poignant to have said that. But I

1417
01:02:48,520 --> 01:02:50,040
Speaker 3: you know, when I was growing up, for most of

1418
01:02:50,040 --> 01:02:53,680
Speaker 3: my adulthood, gay marriage was not legal, and it was

1419
01:02:53,760 --> 01:02:56,120
Speaker 3: I took it so personally because why is that a

1420
01:02:56,200 --> 01:02:58,680
Speaker 3: dream I'm not allowed to have right now? And so

1421
01:02:58,920 --> 01:03:01,600
Speaker 3: when I finally met my wife, I was thirty one,

1422
01:03:01,880 --> 01:03:03,640
Speaker 3: and we didn't get married till we were thirty till

1423
01:03:03,640 --> 01:03:07,040
Speaker 3: I was thirty five because it literally was illegal because

1424
01:03:07,040 --> 01:03:07,400
Speaker 3: of Prop.

1425
01:03:07,440 --> 01:03:07,600
Speaker 1: Eight.

1426
01:03:08,160 --> 01:03:10,640
Speaker 3: And at a certain point I got so mad that

1427
01:03:10,680 --> 01:03:12,680
Speaker 3: I was waiting for like a lot of change to

1428
01:03:12,720 --> 01:03:16,040
Speaker 3: do a thing that I felt very inherently, you know,

1429
01:03:16,280 --> 01:03:16,880
Speaker 3: was it my right?

1430
01:03:17,440 --> 01:03:17,960
Speaker 4: Was?

1431
01:03:17,960 --> 01:03:21,120
Speaker 3: Was my God given human right to be able to

1432
01:03:21,200 --> 01:03:23,040
Speaker 3: express my love for another person in front of my

1433
01:03:23,080 --> 01:03:25,800
Speaker 3: family and friends? And so we actually went to New

1434
01:03:25,880 --> 01:03:29,520
Speaker 3: York where it had become legal. We got married legally

1435
01:03:29,520 --> 01:03:32,200
Speaker 3: in New York, then came back had our like wedding

1436
01:03:32,200 --> 01:03:36,080
Speaker 3: wedding in LA and six weeks later Prop eight overturned. Wow,

1437
01:03:37,040 --> 01:03:41,480
Speaker 3: so long we didn't wait for the man. Yeah, we

1438
01:03:41,520 --> 01:03:43,200
Speaker 3: did what We did it the way we wanted to

1439
01:03:43,240 --> 01:03:43,520
Speaker 3: know it.

1440
01:03:43,920 --> 01:03:44,480
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1441
01:03:44,560 --> 01:03:46,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I was a wonderful time in my life

1442
01:03:46,520 --> 01:03:49,560
Speaker 3: thirty five and just you know, being able to fulfill

1443
01:03:49,640 --> 01:03:52,400
Speaker 3: this dream with this wonderful person, my wife Rachel, and

1444
01:03:52,960 --> 01:03:54,520
Speaker 3: so I would say, thirty five.

1445
01:03:54,600 --> 01:03:59,800
Speaker 1: Okay, I think it's a very for some reason, as

1446
01:04:00,080 --> 01:04:03,760
Speaker 1: good age, the age you're going to be next, right,

1447
01:04:04,000 --> 01:04:07,600
Speaker 1: I can't wait November? Maybe November. Okay's my Scorpio child?

1448
01:04:07,640 --> 01:04:09,080
Speaker 1: Oh okay, child.

1449
01:04:10,360 --> 01:04:13,360
Speaker 3: Of course you do you know that Pisces are like

1450
01:04:13,600 --> 01:04:16,320
Speaker 3: my people, what are you a cancer?

1451
01:04:16,440 --> 01:04:17,600
Speaker 4: No, I'm a Gemini.

1452
01:04:19,480 --> 01:04:22,520
Speaker 1: We all get along. We get along very well, like Scorpio,

1453
01:04:22,640 --> 01:04:25,360
Speaker 1: like we have our like we get we get a

1454
01:04:25,400 --> 01:04:27,840
Speaker 1: bad rat. I think Scorpio and Gemini is really because

1455
01:04:27,840 --> 01:04:30,160
Speaker 1: everyone clutches their pearls when we tell them they are

1456
01:04:30,280 --> 01:04:33,280
Speaker 1: and we're like, it's not. You guys are the ones

1457
01:04:33,320 --> 01:04:35,520
Speaker 1: that got the big reaction. And I always get all.

1458
01:04:36,520 --> 01:04:39,760
Speaker 3: Well, Pisces, I for some reason, like I gravitate especially

1459
01:04:39,840 --> 01:04:43,280
Speaker 3: professionally towards Pisces, silver tree Pisces.

1460
01:04:43,840 --> 01:04:46,120
Speaker 1: I think Hutchinson a.

1461
01:04:46,120 --> 01:04:50,160
Speaker 3: Pisces yes, I mean Carrot Apollo, another wonderful writer on

1462
01:04:50,200 --> 01:04:55,080
Speaker 3: the show. Pisces. Yeah, Maddie Dollywall another writer on the store.

1463
01:04:55,840 --> 01:04:59,160
Speaker 1: You know, your shows are very Pisces. How interesting I

1464
01:04:59,240 --> 01:05:01,760
Speaker 1: believe that they are are because it's like we're dead

1465
01:05:01,800 --> 01:05:04,760
Speaker 1: to me, it's like, which, by the way, we I

1466
01:05:04,840 --> 01:05:07,440
Speaker 1: actually have to say while you're here, that was That's

1467
01:05:07,600 --> 01:05:09,080
Speaker 1: that's going to be looked back on as one of

1468
01:05:09,080 --> 01:05:10,760
Speaker 1: the great shows. That's one of the great shows. It's

1469
01:05:10,800 --> 01:05:11,200
Speaker 1: one of the.

1470
01:05:11,160 --> 01:05:16,840
Speaker 2: Great shows with two of the great performances. Are performances,

1471
01:05:17,080 --> 01:05:20,480
Speaker 2: I just I mean, they're so brilliant. But the fact

1472
01:05:20,560 --> 01:05:24,280
Speaker 2: that it's a relationship that on paper at the on

1473
01:05:24,320 --> 01:05:26,480
Speaker 2: the beginning of the show like should not work at

1474
01:05:26,480 --> 01:05:30,360
Speaker 2: all for X Y Z and beyond reasons. But it's

1475
01:05:30,960 --> 01:05:34,120
Speaker 2: just the the connection and the empathy that they have

1476
01:05:34,200 --> 01:05:36,120
Speaker 2: for each other, because that's really what it's based.

1477
01:05:35,840 --> 01:05:39,040
Speaker 1: In, is empathy. Yeah, that's very Pisces. It is.

1478
01:05:39,600 --> 01:05:43,000
Speaker 3: I feel like you guys have a very.

1479
01:05:42,120 --> 01:05:44,080
Speaker 1: Similar scorpio Pisces is.

1480
01:05:44,400 --> 01:05:46,440
Speaker 4: Everything have a lot of empathy for each other.

1481
01:05:46,520 --> 01:05:48,360
Speaker 3: And I think that's what I when I'm talking about

1482
01:05:48,360 --> 01:05:50,200
Speaker 3: when I see like there's that warmth between you.

1483
01:05:50,360 --> 01:05:55,440
Speaker 1: It's an irrigated system. It's it's water kind of like

1484
01:05:56,760 --> 01:05:59,240
Speaker 1: the pipes. The pipes are working. We're water cycle. Yes,

1485
01:05:59,400 --> 01:06:04,320
Speaker 1: we condemn, we precipitate. Okay, yeah, we're mixing metaphors, but I.

1486
01:06:04,200 --> 01:06:06,640
Speaker 4: Get them still, they're mixing that. I'm liking.

1487
01:06:06,960 --> 01:06:07,280
Speaker 1: You know what?

1488
01:06:07,280 --> 01:06:08,880
Speaker 2: How you know how? You know why that happens. It's

1489
01:06:08,880 --> 01:06:13,080
Speaker 2: because I often don't understand the metaphor no, and don't

1490
01:06:13,440 --> 01:06:15,480
Speaker 2: quite stick the landing on the metaphor.

1491
01:06:15,600 --> 01:06:16,200
Speaker 1: I don't know my.

1492
01:06:16,160 --> 01:06:18,200
Speaker 2: Words, but I do know my heart. That is one

1493
01:06:18,240 --> 01:06:20,800
Speaker 2: of the most piscy sayings, and it's my saying. It

1494
01:06:20,880 --> 01:06:22,360
Speaker 2: used to be on a throat pillow that we would

1495
01:06:22,400 --> 01:06:23,960
Speaker 2: sell on a merch website.

1496
01:06:23,960 --> 01:06:24,880
Speaker 4: Oh my god, I'd buy that.

1497
01:06:25,680 --> 01:06:27,760
Speaker 1: We will we will do, We'll do it, we'll do,

1498
01:06:27,800 --> 01:06:30,240
Speaker 1: we'll do more merch, the will you more merch? And

1499
01:06:30,320 --> 01:06:31,560
Speaker 1: year nine of Lost Coach.

1500
01:06:40,720 --> 01:06:42,880
Speaker 2: Speaking of Lost Coach, it's a podcast that has a

1501
01:06:42,920 --> 01:06:47,480
Speaker 2: segment and uh, it's coming up right now. So this

1502
01:06:47,880 --> 01:06:50,280
Speaker 2: is I don't think so honey and I don't think

1503
01:06:50,280 --> 01:06:52,560
Speaker 2: so honey. To sort of break it down, is a

1504
01:06:52,600 --> 01:06:55,960
Speaker 2: sixty second segment where each person on the podcast its

1505
01:06:55,960 --> 01:06:58,040
Speaker 2: hosts and it's guests or guests.

1506
01:06:58,560 --> 01:07:00,720
Speaker 1: Goes off for sixty seconds. Thing in pop culture that

1507
01:07:00,720 --> 01:07:04,760
Speaker 1: absolutely needs a dragging. And I said in the car

1508
01:07:04,840 --> 01:07:07,040
Speaker 1: we were just driving back from our shoot. Yeah, and

1509
01:07:07,280 --> 01:07:09,760
Speaker 1: I said, I had something and I'm gonna do it. Okay,

1510
01:07:09,760 --> 01:07:13,680
Speaker 1: this is something that is in the culture and it's remained.

1511
01:07:13,760 --> 01:07:15,440
Speaker 1: It's not having it's not as big as it used

1512
01:07:15,480 --> 01:07:18,040
Speaker 1: to be, but I still it's more personal. Anyway, here

1513
01:07:18,040 --> 01:07:20,160
Speaker 1: we go. Okay, this is Matt Rogers. I don't think

1514
01:07:20,160 --> 01:07:22,000
Speaker 1: so honey as time starts now, I don't think so

1515
01:07:22,120 --> 01:07:27,160
Speaker 1: honey cameo. I can't because and here's the thing. It's

1516
01:07:27,280 --> 01:07:28,800
Speaker 1: not that I don't like it as a service.

1517
01:07:28,960 --> 01:07:31,960
Speaker 2: I do think so honey, like everyone like getting getting

1518
01:07:32,000 --> 01:07:34,920
Speaker 2: money from cameo, doing it, participating in it. Whenever I

1519
01:07:35,200 --> 01:07:39,080
Speaker 2: get a cameo gift, I cannot watch it. I'm too

1520
01:07:39,160 --> 01:07:42,360
Speaker 2: embarrassed that the person is talking to me. Like if

1521
01:07:42,400 --> 01:07:44,439
Speaker 2: I ever opened a cameo, like years ago, you got

1522
01:07:44,440 --> 01:07:46,840
Speaker 2: me one for my birthday from Sandra Diaz Twine Survivor

1523
01:07:47,160 --> 01:07:50,240
Speaker 2: Icon and I literally had to watch it in pieces,

1524
01:07:50,280 --> 01:07:53,400
Speaker 2: like throughout a couple of days because I couldn't believe

1525
01:07:53,440 --> 01:07:56,200
Speaker 2: she was talking to me. It's so intimate, cameo, I

1526
01:07:56,200 --> 01:07:57,600
Speaker 2: don't think so, honey, you're looking at.

1527
01:07:57,520 --> 01:08:00,120
Speaker 1: Me in my eyes through the phone.

1528
01:08:00,480 --> 01:08:02,920
Speaker 2: My friend Nico got one from Tom Sandalvall the other

1529
01:08:03,000 --> 01:08:05,000
Speaker 2: day and I have never watched it.

1530
01:08:05,080 --> 01:08:10,280
Speaker 1: Beau, come, I'm too embarrassed. Like it's like it's just

1531
01:08:10,320 --> 01:08:11,480
Speaker 1: it's something I don't know what it is.

1532
01:08:11,480 --> 01:08:13,640
Speaker 2: It's like when the Culture Awards happened and people said

1533
01:08:13,640 --> 01:08:16,439
Speaker 2: in their videos, there's one I have never watched five seconds.

1534
01:08:16,479 --> 01:08:19,240
Speaker 1: I just can't. I don't think so, honey. Celebrities live

1535
01:08:19,280 --> 01:08:20,400
Speaker 1: your life, don't think about me.

1536
01:08:20,439 --> 01:08:21,120
Speaker 5: I don't talk to me.

1537
01:08:21,280 --> 01:08:26,120
Speaker 1: And that's for twenty five dollars for Tom to talk

1538
01:08:26,120 --> 01:08:26,880
Speaker 1: to you. No.

1539
01:08:27,280 --> 01:08:29,639
Speaker 2: It was Nico's birthday a couple of weeks ago and

1540
01:08:29,840 --> 01:08:32,599
Speaker 2: he was sent one from Tom Sandoval and I was

1541
01:08:32,640 --> 01:08:34,920
Speaker 2: just like I saw all my friends talking about it

1542
01:08:35,040 --> 01:08:37,080
Speaker 2: and I was like, I can't watch it. There's something

1543
01:08:37,120 --> 01:08:41,000
Speaker 2: about because I've gotten them from like Housewives before, because

1544
01:08:41,000 --> 01:08:42,439
Speaker 2: those are fun ones because you know they're all on

1545
01:08:42,560 --> 01:08:46,000
Speaker 2: camera and you get it and you're just like like,

1546
01:08:46,080 --> 01:08:48,080
Speaker 2: I don't know, like like what what they're told to

1547
01:08:48,120 --> 01:08:51,240
Speaker 2: say to you? When the way that it's not personal,

1548
01:08:51,280 --> 01:08:54,320
Speaker 2: it's literally filtered and so maybe it's that I think

1549
01:08:54,439 --> 01:08:55,599
Speaker 2: I'm wasting their time.

1550
01:08:56,160 --> 01:08:58,599
Speaker 1: But then again, it's like they're getting and they're getting paid.

1551
01:08:59,080 --> 01:09:04,240
Speaker 3: Like the cross section between vulnerability and inauthenticity. Yes, because

1552
01:09:04,280 --> 01:09:07,120
Speaker 3: like it is vulnerable because you're like they need thirty

1553
01:09:07,160 --> 01:09:09,759
Speaker 3: five arms to you know what I mean.

1554
01:09:09,800 --> 01:09:12,840
Speaker 1: Like getting fucked with a bag on your head exactly.

1555
01:09:14,080 --> 01:09:15,360
Speaker 4: I don't really get that.

1556
01:09:15,400 --> 01:09:21,040
Speaker 1: But yes, again it's intimate, but it's like they don't

1557
01:09:21,080 --> 01:09:23,160
Speaker 1: know who you are and.

1558
01:09:23,120 --> 01:09:25,320
Speaker 3: They're like saying things about you, and it feels a

1559
01:09:25,320 --> 01:09:29,400
Speaker 3: little patronizing. Yes, And also but like because you're an

1560
01:09:29,400 --> 01:09:33,080
Speaker 3: empathic person, you feel a little bit like embarrassed for them.

1561
01:09:33,320 --> 01:09:35,720
Speaker 1: By the way, I used to do cameos all the time,

1562
01:09:35,760 --> 01:09:39,200
Speaker 1: I say, he's been on. I used to make money

1563
01:09:39,240 --> 01:09:41,400
Speaker 1: doing cameos, especially during the pandemic, because you could just

1564
01:09:41,439 --> 01:09:43,519
Speaker 1: hit there on your phone. You're made nothing but time

1565
01:09:43,800 --> 01:09:47,599
Speaker 1: and just cameo, cameo, cameo, cameo, cameo. Like that's not it.

1566
01:09:47,360 --> 01:09:51,920
Speaker 1: It's it's specifically the act of receiving one. Now that

1567
01:09:51,960 --> 01:09:53,920
Speaker 1: I've done this on the podcast, I'm gonna get tons

1568
01:09:53,920 --> 01:09:57,040
Speaker 1: from my friends who like throw fifty bucks. By the way,

1569
01:09:57,040 --> 01:09:58,679
Speaker 1: it is my birthday. So that's true.

1570
01:09:59,560 --> 01:10:02,160
Speaker 4: Now, it's if you had to get a cameo from somebody,

1571
01:10:02,160 --> 01:10:02,719
Speaker 4: who would.

1572
01:10:02,640 --> 01:10:06,200
Speaker 1: Yes, it would be a housewife. If I had to

1573
01:10:06,200 --> 01:10:08,240
Speaker 1: get a cameo from someone, well, you know, I got

1574
01:10:08,240 --> 01:10:11,640
Speaker 1: a cameo from poverty a really long time ago, from Survivor, And.

1575
01:10:14,040 --> 01:10:16,759
Speaker 2: So I guess because who's the housewife? I can't really

1576
01:10:17,520 --> 01:10:20,800
Speaker 2: go because I'm too scared. You were quite brave with

1577
01:10:20,960 --> 01:10:21,680
Speaker 2: the housewives.

1578
01:10:21,880 --> 01:10:23,639
Speaker 1: You're braver than I am. Well, I've been on watching

1579
01:10:23,640 --> 01:10:25,720
Speaker 1: That Happens Life with a bunch of them, but I

1580
01:10:25,720 --> 01:10:28,439
Speaker 1: don't know. It's like maybe maybe one like a Lisa Barlow.

1581
01:10:29,200 --> 01:10:32,759
Speaker 1: Lisa Barlow, I've met Lisa Rena. Get me a cameo

1582
01:10:32,760 --> 01:10:35,080
Speaker 1: from Lisa Rena. I'm happy by the way she and

1583
01:10:35,120 --> 01:10:38,240
Speaker 1: Harry Hamlin have a new podcast and they get into it. Yes,

1584
01:10:38,720 --> 01:10:40,920
Speaker 1: about the husband, let's not talk about the husband. I

1585
01:10:40,960 --> 01:10:43,880
Speaker 1: love that. Okay, So that's mine. Okay, do you have

1586
01:10:43,920 --> 01:10:45,120
Speaker 1: an I don't think so, honey, on today.

1587
01:10:45,200 --> 01:10:47,040
Speaker 4: I think it's going to have to follow the two

1588
01:10:47,080 --> 01:10:47,360
Speaker 4: of you.

1589
01:10:47,479 --> 01:10:51,880
Speaker 1: Oh, don't worry, please, we don't worry about Okay. This

1590
01:10:52,040 --> 01:10:54,120
Speaker 1: might still be a topic of conversation by the time

1591
01:10:54,160 --> 01:10:56,439
Speaker 1: this episode comes out. I think if if you're talking

1592
01:10:56,479 --> 01:10:58,760
Speaker 1: about it, and we're talking about it, this is Bow

1593
01:10:58,800 --> 01:11:00,559
Speaker 1: and yangs I don't think so, honey, And as time

1594
01:11:00,600 --> 01:11:02,760
Speaker 1: starts now, I don't think so many. All the White

1595
01:11:02,840 --> 01:11:06,960
Speaker 1: Lotus theme song sucks now. It's not customer service. Let

1596
01:11:07,040 --> 01:11:10,840
Speaker 1: Mike White make his creative decisions. He is at the

1597
01:11:10,840 --> 01:11:15,080
Speaker 1: helm of this hit series that you are privileged to

1598
01:11:15,120 --> 01:11:18,800
Speaker 1: be watching, your privilege. You are sitting among you're you're

1599
01:11:18,800 --> 01:11:21,080
Speaker 1: listening to three people who know the ins and outs

1600
01:11:21,080 --> 01:11:24,400
Speaker 1: of show. But it's very well and I'm sure none

1601
01:11:24,439 --> 01:11:26,840
Speaker 1: of us here have complaints about the White Lotus theme.

1602
01:11:27,040 --> 01:11:29,559
Speaker 1: It's a new take on it. It's it's gonna be different,

1603
01:11:29,560 --> 01:11:32,240
Speaker 1: and it's a new location, as the Taslitis poster says,

1604
01:11:32,600 --> 01:11:38,040
Speaker 1: same luxury, new reservations. Something has to be new. I'm

1605
01:11:38,120 --> 01:11:42,360
Speaker 1: just happy to see Lisa acting down. I'm happy. I'm

1606
01:11:42,400 --> 01:11:48,120
Speaker 1: happy to see Parker, to see Parker. I'm happy to

1607
01:11:48,160 --> 01:11:52,719
Speaker 1: see Michelle and Listen and Carrie and all of the

1608
01:11:52,760 --> 01:11:57,000
Speaker 1: stars of The White Lotus season two. I'm so happy

1609
01:11:57,160 --> 01:12:02,400
Speaker 1: that everyone's moaning and bitching and and grow because the

1610
01:12:02,439 --> 01:12:05,000
Speaker 1: second one was such a bop. Of course, but they

1611
01:12:05,040 --> 01:12:06,679
Speaker 1: didn't even it wasn't. Here's the thing.

1612
01:12:06,960 --> 01:12:09,080
Speaker 2: It's like, had they tried to make a bop this

1613
01:12:09,120 --> 01:12:11,400
Speaker 2: time and it like kind of flopped, that will be

1614
01:12:11,400 --> 01:12:11,680
Speaker 2: one thing.

1615
01:12:11,680 --> 01:12:13,280
Speaker 1: People would have been even more passed. But this is

1616
01:12:13,320 --> 01:12:15,200
Speaker 1: just this is like a score. This is like a

1617
01:12:15,240 --> 01:12:19,280
Speaker 1: different vibe. It has a tie sort of like inflection

1618
01:12:19,439 --> 01:12:20,439
Speaker 1: on it. Yeah, it's okay.

1619
01:12:20,600 --> 01:12:23,280
Speaker 3: The fact that people are even talking about the theme song,

1620
01:12:23,320 --> 01:12:26,439
Speaker 3: it all shows you how powerful the show is, because

1621
01:12:26,800 --> 01:12:30,360
Speaker 3: when do you ever talk about theme songs? I share

1622
01:12:30,400 --> 01:12:32,679
Speaker 3: you to even hum another one, like there's there there,

1623
01:12:32,720 --> 01:12:41,160
Speaker 3: It's very hard to make one that that's a twenty

1624
01:12:41,240 --> 01:12:44,440
Speaker 3: year old themes.

1625
01:12:45,760 --> 01:12:47,200
Speaker 1: I'm loving White Lotus this season.

1626
01:12:48,439 --> 01:12:49,360
Speaker 4: Only one Deep.

1627
01:12:52,360 --> 01:12:55,240
Speaker 2: Deep, but I watched the first episode twice. I have

1628
01:12:55,320 --> 01:12:58,400
Speaker 2: to say my favorite moment of the whole episode was

1629
01:12:58,439 --> 01:13:01,880
Speaker 2: when Carrie Coon goes upstairs and she's been.

1630
01:13:01,800 --> 01:13:03,640
Speaker 1: Being sort of left down by the friends and she

1631
01:13:03,720 --> 01:13:05,840
Speaker 1: has that one he.

1632
01:13:07,400 --> 01:13:11,000
Speaker 2: I was like, oh my god, that was and I

1633
01:13:11,080 --> 01:13:12,920
Speaker 2: was waiting for carry Coon to carry Coon.

1634
01:13:14,560 --> 01:13:19,280
Speaker 1: You know she's gonna coon out. Yeah, she's gonna carry

1635
01:13:19,280 --> 01:13:21,000
Speaker 1: it out. One of her favorite actors, I would say,

1636
01:13:21,080 --> 01:13:21,800
Speaker 1: she's a.

1637
01:13:21,880 --> 01:13:24,799
Speaker 3: Very versatile and very effective actress.

1638
01:13:24,880 --> 01:13:30,360
Speaker 2: I was brilliant and she pierces and I love that

1639
01:13:30,400 --> 01:13:30,880
Speaker 2: whole cat.

1640
01:13:30,920 --> 01:13:32,760
Speaker 1: I mean, I think it's great. You know who else

1641
01:13:32,760 --> 01:13:38,040
Speaker 1: I'm obsessed with as Amy lou Wood, who's the British girlfriend.

1642
01:13:38,560 --> 01:13:43,800
Speaker 1: She's great. Man, I have a Goggins had I love, yeah,

1643
01:13:44,760 --> 01:13:46,800
Speaker 1: love him and everything I see he's going off.

1644
01:13:46,880 --> 01:13:48,960
Speaker 2: And also to say nothing of Parker Posy. And let

1645
01:13:49,000 --> 01:13:52,120
Speaker 2: me tell you something, a lot of idiots on Twitter

1646
01:13:52,240 --> 01:13:57,280
Speaker 2: dragging the accent you RelA, you come on, you let

1647
01:13:57,320 --> 01:13:58,920
Speaker 2: Parker Posy do her thing.

1648
01:13:58,960 --> 01:14:02,040
Speaker 3: Okay, Posy is gonna putz And let me tell you what,

1649
01:14:02,320 --> 01:14:05,080
Speaker 3: like what a delight? She just opens her mouth and

1650
01:14:05,120 --> 01:14:08,360
Speaker 3: I'm like, I just I'm like smiling immediately. I just

1651
01:14:08,479 --> 01:14:11,559
Speaker 3: there's something that she can just fucking eat. The scenery.

1652
01:14:11,800 --> 01:14:12,360
Speaker 4: I love it.

1653
01:14:12,760 --> 01:14:15,559
Speaker 1: She wasn't the queen of indie movies for not, like

1654
01:14:15,640 --> 01:14:18,160
Speaker 1: she knows what she's doing. Everybody calm down.

1655
01:14:18,080 --> 01:14:20,120
Speaker 2: Like you don't know how to make a choice better

1656
01:14:20,160 --> 01:14:23,040
Speaker 2: than her, And I would suggest you shut up.

1657
01:14:24,040 --> 01:14:28,559
Speaker 4: Or rewatch waiting for Guffman. You got when she.

1658
01:14:28,600 --> 01:14:30,960
Speaker 1: Wish In this last episode she goes scratch my arm.

1659
01:14:33,360 --> 01:14:35,559
Speaker 1: I'm like, yes, I wonder if that was a fun run.

1660
01:14:35,600 --> 01:14:36,800
Speaker 4: But I bowed down to Mike White.

1661
01:14:36,800 --> 01:14:38,479
Speaker 3: He's so good at what he does, and evidently he

1662
01:14:38,520 --> 01:14:41,400
Speaker 3: does it all minds by himself, which is so impressive,

1663
01:14:41,479 --> 01:14:44,040
Speaker 3: because I need a room full of writers to lift

1664
01:14:44,120 --> 01:14:47,559
Speaker 3: me up and and to help me see everything through.

1665
01:14:47,640 --> 01:14:48,479
Speaker 1: So brilliant.

1666
01:14:48,560 --> 01:14:50,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know who's going to be on the show

1667
01:14:50,080 --> 01:14:53,599
Speaker 2: in a few weeks, the speaking of amazing actress created

1668
01:14:53,640 --> 01:14:59,559
Speaker 2: by UCB Natasha Rothwell, we are so excited.

1669
01:15:00,120 --> 01:15:03,400
Speaker 3: A legend huge fan of hers. Ye, great, Yes, I

1670
01:15:03,439 --> 01:15:07,799
Speaker 3: love her all right? Oh okay, so I feel okay,

1671
01:15:07,840 --> 01:15:08,240
Speaker 3: I hope that.

1672
01:15:08,280 --> 01:15:10,920
Speaker 1: Okay, yes, okay, So this is a big moment.

1673
01:15:11,000 --> 01:15:11,679
Speaker 4: It's a big moment.

1674
01:15:11,800 --> 01:15:13,679
Speaker 1: This is Liz Films. I don't think twenty Are you ready?

1675
01:15:14,360 --> 01:15:15,360
Speaker 4: I don't know if I'm ready.

1676
01:15:15,840 --> 01:15:17,479
Speaker 1: Okay, this is Liz Films. I don't think so, honey.

1677
01:15:17,520 --> 01:15:18,439
Speaker 1: Her time starts now.

1678
01:15:19,120 --> 01:15:20,240
Speaker 4: I don't think so, honey.

1679
01:15:20,520 --> 01:15:24,080
Speaker 3: The Pete's Coffee Shop moving in across the street from

1680
01:15:24,120 --> 01:15:27,000
Speaker 3: the fancy Starbucks, which is next to the Blue Bottle,

1681
01:15:27,200 --> 01:15:30,719
Speaker 3: which is literally also across the street from a coffee

1682
01:15:30,720 --> 01:15:32,480
Speaker 3: bean in my neighborhood.

1683
01:15:32,560 --> 01:15:34,880
Speaker 4: Yes, there is an empty.

1684
01:15:34,600 --> 01:15:39,719
Speaker 3: Beautiful piece of retail real estate that could be literally anything,

1685
01:15:39,800 --> 01:15:40,519
Speaker 3: but it's going to.

1686
01:15:40,560 --> 01:15:42,280
Speaker 4: Be a piece coffee. Look, I have.

1687
01:15:42,280 --> 01:15:46,120
Speaker 3: Nothing against Pete's, and I will probably even go there

1688
01:15:46,280 --> 01:15:50,759
Speaker 3: first as like, just as an experiences, but then probably

1689
01:15:50,920 --> 01:15:52,880
Speaker 3: also just every day because it's on my side of

1690
01:15:52,920 --> 01:15:56,920
Speaker 3: the street. But Jesus fucking Christ, how many coffee shops

1691
01:15:56,960 --> 01:15:59,519
Speaker 3: can one square block hold before a fucking sinkhole forms

1692
01:15:59,560 --> 01:16:01,639
Speaker 3: and we all get sucked into the abyss of corporate

1693
01:16:01,680 --> 01:16:07,200
Speaker 3: caffeine driven capitalism? Honey, no one needs that many options

1694
01:16:07,240 --> 01:16:10,160
Speaker 3: for where to get a peppermint, gingerbread, caramel chuck alte.

1695
01:16:11,160 --> 01:16:13,280
Speaker 4: Okay, it could be literally anything seconds.

1696
01:16:13,280 --> 01:16:14,640
Speaker 3: It could be it could be a planned parent and

1697
01:16:14,680 --> 01:16:16,400
Speaker 3: it could be a trans housecare clinic.

1698
01:16:16,120 --> 01:16:20,480
Speaker 4: Or is next door because of r fk oh.

1699
01:16:21,840 --> 01:16:24,240
Speaker 1: And it's a fourth coffee shop.

1700
01:16:25,200 --> 01:16:28,880
Speaker 3: I wish I was exaggerating. A fourth coffee shop in

1701
01:16:28,960 --> 01:16:29,880
Speaker 3: one square block?

1702
01:16:30,479 --> 01:16:36,559
Speaker 1: Can I ask, yes, favor's favor? And why is it here?

1703
01:16:36,560 --> 01:16:39,920
Speaker 3: I'm gonna be honest, I walk past all four. However,

1704
01:16:40,280 --> 01:16:41,599
Speaker 3: like go to a local coffee shop?

1705
01:16:41,600 --> 01:16:44,240
Speaker 1: You're so right, Yeah, and I usually do. I was

1706
01:16:44,240 --> 01:16:46,519
Speaker 1: gonna say blue bottle, I like, I like a blue bottle,

1707
01:16:46,520 --> 01:16:49,240
Speaker 1: but it's Starbucks, but it's Pete eventually, but it' Starbucks

1708
01:16:49,280 --> 01:16:52,160
Speaker 1: blue bottle. What's the fourth coffee bean? Coffee bean a

1709
01:16:52,200 --> 01:16:54,400
Speaker 1: coffee There is a coffee bean.

1710
01:16:54,280 --> 01:16:56,439
Speaker 3: In a parking lot. It's in a parking lot right

1711
01:16:56,840 --> 01:16:57,920
Speaker 3: of an Alberson's.

1712
01:16:58,120 --> 01:17:04,200
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, you guys have a big Alberton's. That one's girl.

1713
01:17:04,640 --> 01:17:06,640
Speaker 5: Oh we used to have Albertons in Colorado. They're all

1714
01:17:06,640 --> 01:17:08,439
Speaker 5: gone now. I think the only ones that are left

1715
01:17:08,439 --> 01:17:10,880
Speaker 5: are in California. That's sad.

1716
01:17:12,120 --> 01:17:16,879
Speaker 1: Me mourning a chain a chain after Liz just artfully

1717
01:17:16,920 --> 01:17:20,080
Speaker 1: took down our corporate driven.

1718
01:17:19,880 --> 01:17:23,360
Speaker 3: We have nothing wrong with corporate nties, and I shop

1719
01:17:23,360 --> 01:17:24,200
Speaker 3: at places that are.

1720
01:17:24,880 --> 01:17:26,559
Speaker 1: Heart podcasts, So shape up.

1721
01:17:26,640 --> 01:17:27,479
Speaker 4: Yeah no, no, I.

1722
01:17:27,439 --> 01:17:30,479
Speaker 3: Love you, I heart I heart, but I heart I

1723
01:17:30,520 --> 01:17:32,599
Speaker 3: heart but but I mean but truly, Like if you're

1724
01:17:32,680 --> 01:17:35,360
Speaker 3: if you're gonna peel back your efforts to like help

1725
01:17:35,360 --> 01:17:39,360
Speaker 3: people and employ people and protect people, then I'm gonna

1726
01:17:39,360 --> 01:17:40,640
Speaker 3: peel back my dollars.

1727
01:17:41,320 --> 01:17:44,360
Speaker 1: You count it is agreed just to have four on

1728
01:17:44,360 --> 01:17:44,800
Speaker 1: one block.

1729
01:17:44,840 --> 01:17:48,000
Speaker 3: That's crazy, silly, like like when when that space opened

1730
01:17:48,280 --> 01:17:51,960
Speaker 3: it could we were so excited by the infinite possibilities

1731
01:17:51,960 --> 01:17:52,960
Speaker 3: A bagel store.

1732
01:17:52,720 --> 01:17:53,040
Speaker 1: May have.

1733
01:17:56,080 --> 01:17:59,760
Speaker 2: May have you know what's funny you wrote may have

1734
01:18:00,040 --> 01:18:02,240
Speaker 2: into one of my characters lines, and I had never

1735
01:18:02,400 --> 01:18:04,200
Speaker 2: heard anyone say the word may happen.

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Speaker 1: Mayhaps. We're connected, we are, did is mayhaps in the

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Speaker 1: show that I do? I say it may happen?

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Speaker 4: I'm pretty sure. I'm pretty sure you do.

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01:18:11,320 --> 01:18:11,519
Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Was it per snaps?

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01:18:17,280 --> 01:18:17,759
Speaker 4: Is Kelly?

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01:18:17,960 --> 01:18:21,240
Speaker 3: Kelly took mayhaps and fucking and put it on its

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01:18:21,240 --> 01:18:22,799
Speaker 3: little side for per snaps.

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01:18:22,880 --> 01:18:27,040
Speaker 1: But yeah, for snaps, mayhaps is like cool queer similar. Yeah,

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01:18:27,160 --> 01:18:31,360
Speaker 1: definitely you you queer words. And I appreciate that as

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Speaker 1: someone who also does this.

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01:18:32,560 --> 01:18:34,600
Speaker 3: Yes, we I feel like we are very sympatical. I

1748
01:18:34,680 --> 01:18:37,880
Speaker 3: like I love wordplay. Sorry I said it, but I do.

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01:18:37,960 --> 01:18:40,240
Speaker 3: I loved it. I'm a ladia letters and I like

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01:18:40,320 --> 01:18:42,760
Speaker 3: to I like to mix them around and make them

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01:18:42,800 --> 01:18:43,280
Speaker 3: sound fun.

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01:18:43,520 --> 01:18:46,479
Speaker 2: There was one I did that there was like a

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01:18:46,520 --> 01:18:48,600
Speaker 2: tiny little meeting about whether it was too much of

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01:18:48,600 --> 01:18:53,040
Speaker 2: a swing and you know what I'm talking about. We

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01:18:53,120 --> 01:18:57,320
Speaker 2: had we had a we had a slight snag Orny Weaver, No,

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01:18:58,640 --> 01:19:00,640
Speaker 2: you have. They were like, he has to do it

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01:19:00,720 --> 01:19:03,000
Speaker 2: the real way because we don't know, but like, we

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01:19:03,040 --> 01:19:03,479
Speaker 2: do like.

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01:19:03,479 --> 01:19:04,519
Speaker 1: It, and I was thank you.

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Speaker 3: So let me tell you what made it into the show,

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01:19:06,160 --> 01:19:07,679
Speaker 3: And let me tell you what made me laugh every

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01:19:07,680 --> 01:19:11,080
Speaker 3: single fucking time, And editing we hit a little snoo corny.

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Speaker 1: We that's an ad lib.

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01:19:16,240 --> 01:19:18,559
Speaker 3: When he's he's with Ray and they're well, I don't

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01:19:18,560 --> 01:19:19,880
Speaker 3: want to give anything away for people, but he's with

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01:19:20,000 --> 01:19:23,320
Speaker 3: Ray and there's maybe a room that like maybe has

1767
01:19:23,320 --> 01:19:26,280
Speaker 3: a little bit of a stench, and Ray's trying to say, oh,

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01:19:26,280 --> 01:19:28,800
Speaker 3: it's rat piss, and He's like, that's human pish.

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01:19:28,960 --> 01:19:31,000
Speaker 4: I know what human piss smells like. I was single ones.

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01:19:31,520 --> 01:19:36,840
Speaker 1: I loved that on him. It tells you so much

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01:19:36,840 --> 01:19:42,000
Speaker 1: about this has been so much fun.

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01:19:42,479 --> 01:19:43,479
Speaker 4: I agree, what an honor.

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01:19:43,520 --> 01:19:45,920
Speaker 3: I feel honestly like when when I was asked to

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01:19:45,960 --> 01:19:47,960
Speaker 3: come on, I really thought I was like dreaming or something.

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01:19:47,960 --> 01:19:51,160
Speaker 3: This is like, truly truly a dream, super honored. I'm

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01:19:51,160 --> 01:19:52,800
Speaker 3: a big fan of you both. I think you're both

1777
01:19:52,840 --> 01:19:55,360
Speaker 3: incredible humans and also just hilarious and a gift.

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01:19:55,560 --> 01:19:58,599
Speaker 1: Liz, You're a true culture maker and you literally I'm

1779
01:19:58,640 --> 01:20:01,240
Speaker 1: so glad we got to talk about the arc of

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01:20:01,280 --> 01:20:04,759
Speaker 1: the l words now for you, which is truly speaking

1781
01:20:04,760 --> 01:20:08,160
Speaker 1: to your impact and the way you put really important

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01:20:08,160 --> 01:20:11,519
Speaker 1: things into the world. And I feel like I this

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01:20:11,520 --> 01:20:13,280
Speaker 1: this is going to kill me for saying this. But

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01:20:13,360 --> 01:20:15,960
Speaker 1: I go on your Instagram and I'm like, oh, thank god,

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01:20:16,000 --> 01:20:18,000
Speaker 1: we've got like you're still on it. You're still like

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01:20:18,600 --> 01:20:21,679
Speaker 1: out there like saying the thing. We do, be saying

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01:20:21,680 --> 01:20:24,440
Speaker 1: the stuff, and it's important stuff.

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01:20:24,600 --> 01:20:26,120
Speaker 4: You say the stuff, and I love that you need to.

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01:20:26,080 --> 01:20:29,719
Speaker 1: Say the stuff more. Both of you are are motivating

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01:20:29,720 --> 01:20:30,680
Speaker 1: me to say the stuff more.

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01:20:30,800 --> 01:20:32,920
Speaker 3: I think right now the stuff needs to be said.

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01:20:32,960 --> 01:20:34,679
Speaker 3: And if we're not going to say it, who will?

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01:20:35,960 --> 01:20:36,240
Speaker 1: Yeah?

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01:20:37,000 --> 01:20:40,280
Speaker 2: I mean, And with that, here to make friends. March fourteenth,

1795
01:20:40,600 --> 01:20:46,439
Speaker 2: which is a Friday, which is the best day out

1796
01:20:46,479 --> 01:20:51,960
Speaker 2: of It's been a lovely day. And you can stream

1797
01:20:52,000 --> 01:20:54,719
Speaker 2: these Netflix series Dead to Me and No Good Deed

1798
01:20:55,280 --> 01:20:56,280
Speaker 2: because this is the best.

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01:20:56,400 --> 01:20:58,040
Speaker 1: And we end every episode with a song.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Is that a key change? I never thought about that before.

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01:21:10,280 --> 01:21:11,080
Speaker 1: That's a key change.

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01:21:11,600 --> 01:21:14,080
Speaker 2: The Sex and the City theme has a key change.

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01:21:14,160 --> 01:21:16,439
Speaker 2: That's actually Rural culture number four, The.

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Speaker 1: Sex and the City theme has a key change. Bye

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01:21:20,760 --> 01:21:22,880
Speaker 1: Love Culture Retis is the production by Will Ferrell's Big

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01:21:22,880 --> 01:21:24,120
Speaker 1: Money Players in My Heart radio.

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01:21:23,960 --> 01:21:27,479
Speaker 2: Podcasts, created and hosted by Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang,

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01:21:27,640 --> 01:21:29,600
Speaker 2: Executive produced by Anna Hasnier

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01:21:29,800 --> 01:21:33,200
Speaker 1: Produced by Beck Ramos, edited mixed by Doug Bammnica board

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Speaker 1: and our music is by Henry Kmerski.