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Speaker 1: Doctor Roddy Rabon is a Beverly Hills plastic surgeon and

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Speaker 1: host of Plastic Surgery Uncensored, which, by the way, I've

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Speaker 1: been listening to a lot and I'm assessed with so

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Speaker 1: we'll have to talk about that. But he is changing

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Speaker 1: the conversation and opening up some with transparently talking about

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Speaker 1: plastic surgery. He has a huge emphasis on emotional and

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Speaker 1: psychological roots of beauty and confidence. Rather than glamorizing surgery.

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Speaker 1: He peels back the layers of what motivates real change,

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Speaker 1: whether it's aging gracefully or building authentic self worth. Hi,

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Speaker 1: I'm so happy you're here.

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Speaker 2: I appreciate you having me on. I really do well.

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Speaker 1: We just were talking and I told you I wished

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Speaker 1: I was recording because you said so many good nuggets

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Speaker 1: about the world of plastic surgery right now, and whether

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Speaker 1: we like it or not, as you said, it's just

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Speaker 1: not going away. I mean, I'm sure you love that

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Speaker 1: business wise, but as you said before, the conversation has

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Speaker 1: really changed, and it's being so openly discussed on social

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Speaker 1: media almost in a way that it's just completely normalized.

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Speaker 1: Do you think that this normalization is a good thing

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Speaker 1: or a bad thing.

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Speaker 2: I think the reality is like everything. Let's take AI

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Speaker 2: for example, everything has an upside and a downside, and

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Speaker 2: the reality of it as a person, as an individual

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Speaker 2: listening is how do I navigate this in the best

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Speaker 2: form for myself? As individuals that are at the forefront

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Speaker 2: of it, like myself, we have a responsibility to tell

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Speaker 2: that story, maybe authentically and ethically, but as the individual,

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Speaker 2: you have to figure out how do I want to

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Speaker 2: navigate the landscape of plastic surgery AI. There's so many

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Speaker 2: different areas and so like everything, plastic surgery has some

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Speaker 2: incredibly positive and beneficial aspects, hence why I truly love

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Speaker 2: what I do, and then it has some catastrophic and

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Speaker 2: awful things about it, and so there is no shortage

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Speaker 2: of the positivity being told. Right, That's all the marketing,

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Speaker 2: I mean, that's all you hear. All you hear is

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Speaker 2: how great it is, how amazing it is, how beautiful

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Speaker 2: you look, how And the reality is that there's not

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Speaker 2: enough being discussed about the pitfalls, the dangers, the cautionary tales.

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Speaker 2: And that's essentially been my soapbox and sort of my

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Speaker 2: stance from the day I started, not because I want

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Speaker 2: to be negative, but more because I am now more

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Speaker 2: than ever before. As you would imagine seeing more and

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Speaker 2: more bad outcomes is as you turn up the dial.

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Speaker 2: Let's just take hypothetically, ten percent of all plastic surgery

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Speaker 2: patients are unhappy. That means ninety percent are over the moon. Okay,

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Speaker 2: and I'm making up these numbers. They don't mean anything.

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Speaker 2: And ten percent are unhappy, okay, don't You're like, okay,

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Speaker 2: but if you do a thousand of them, it's really

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Speaker 2: only like pay one hundred, right, But if you do

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Speaker 2: one million of them, that's one hundred thousand and one

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Speaker 2: half people. So I think what's happened is as plastic

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Speaker 2: surgery is being pushed and pushed and becoming more commonplace.

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Speaker 2: I mean literally we used to say, oh, only celebrities

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Speaker 2: do it. Now I mean I have people, and I

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Speaker 2: am by no means exaggerating that are nannies and housekeepers

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Speaker 2: that come to me, which I love and I'm honored,

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Speaker 2: and to them it's accessible. And so I think the

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Speaker 2: conversation that I've been trying to have, which I hope

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Speaker 2: we have more of today, is okay, great, how do

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Speaker 2: I end up on the ninety side? You know what?

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Speaker 2: I mean like, Okay, I'm all for it, but buy

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Speaker 2: in large. Plastic surgery is awesome. I love it in

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Speaker 2: every which way.

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Speaker 1: Well, I love that you mentioned that it's a wide

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Speaker 1: range of clientele because that's what I think we're seeing

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Speaker 1: on social media right. It's like the new conversation is

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Speaker 1: to get a facelift, and I mean, I find myself

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Speaker 1: just everywhere and you're seeing, like you said, so many

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Speaker 1: positive results. However, because it's being discussed so much, it's

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Speaker 1: almost like we're talking about it like I'll just go

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Speaker 1: in and get a facelift, as if it's the same

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Speaker 1: as getting your hair done essentially, you know, and this

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Speaker 1: is a surgery. So are we even are we missing

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Speaker 1: that this is actually a serious surgery some of these

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Speaker 1: things that we're signing up for because it's so normal

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Speaker 1: to talk about these things now, Yeah.

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Speaker 2: One hundred percent. I think it's basically made it seem

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Speaker 2: like a METSPA procedure. And I think when you start

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Speaker 2: to strip things of its authenticity it's reality, you become desensitized.

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Speaker 2: So if I described a lion as a cat, you'd

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Speaker 2: us que kitty cat. And then reality is that's not

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Speaker 2: a cat, my friend, that's a lion. And so surgery

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Speaker 2: is surgery and it always will be. And there's no

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Speaker 2: matter how much marketing you do, you still have to

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Speaker 2: undergo anesthesia. You still have to have incisions. There's still

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Speaker 2: if you don't do your due diligence and homework, which

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Speaker 2: we I'm sure we'll get into in this dialogue, you

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Speaker 2: will maybe you will have an issue. And as always,

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Speaker 2: the discussion online tends to tends to slant incredibly towards

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Speaker 2: the positive, right, you know, it's always about look how

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Speaker 2: amazing I look, Look how amazing Lindsay Lohan looks, look

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Speaker 2: at Chris Jenner like and and that that feeds the algorithm.

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Speaker 2: But the truth is there's you know, as a person

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Speaker 2: So I know the realities of war more than say

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Speaker 2: you do when you're just flipped scrolling through Instagram, So

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Speaker 2: one hundred percent I think people are are they don't

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Speaker 2: turn on their spidy senses. They're just like, oh yeah, okay,

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Speaker 2: In the same conversations, exactly true, but okay, you're right right, lobotomy.

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Speaker 2: I mean it's like even in the same dialogue.

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Speaker 1: Yes, and I mentioned I've been listening to your podcast

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Speaker 1: and that's one of the main things I really like

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Speaker 1: is you give this real life stick perspective that we're

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Speaker 1: just not hearing anywhere else and if there or I'm

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Speaker 1: not at least on social media. And one of the

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Speaker 1: big things that I've noticed, which you also addressed in

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Speaker 1: and this, And there's a lot of doctors that actually

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Speaker 1: And one of the things that I've noticed because we're

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Speaker 1: but like going into your doctor is it better to

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Speaker 1: be curious with your doctor or to present what you want,

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Speaker 2: So I think you hit a lot of key points

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Speaker 2: Number one. At the end of the day, the sole

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Speaker 2: ridiculous things, although that is a problem, that isn't the issue.

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Speaker 2: The issues that people are executing that request. So remember

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Speaker 2: there's a gatekeeper and that Gaypegar is the doctor and

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Speaker 2: that's the parent. So the fact that a twenty two

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Speaker 2: a facelift, that in and of itself is an issue,

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Speaker 2: but that isn't the bigger issue. Bigger issue is that

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Speaker 2: somebody did it right. And so issue number one is Unfortunately,

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Speaker 2: unlike cardiologist and rheumatologists, there's more of an incentive for

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Speaker 2: plastic surgeons to do things that perhaps they know deep

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Speaker 2: down inside they shouldn't be doing. It's competitive. It's kind

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Speaker 2: of like feast or famine. You know, you'll see throughout

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Speaker 2: plastic surgeons fall into that feast or famine concept and

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Speaker 2: they tend to maybe compromise some of their thought processes

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Speaker 2: why I put all the onus on the patient because

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Speaker 2: historically it kind of didn't matter what you said to

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Speaker 2: mind what the you come in? You say headache? Yeah, youay,

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Speaker 2: then they would tell you and you would listen carefully,

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Speaker 2: and you would not have been marketed on social media.

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Speaker 2: How to address men angioma. So this is completely a

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Speaker 2: backass world part of medicine where we're marketing to patients.

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Speaker 2: They're coming in requesting things, and then then the surgeon

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Speaker 2: want to make broad sweeping comments that there were not

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Speaker 2: all of them are not. Let's again use the ninety

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Speaker 2: ten rule. Ninety percent of them are unbelievable, but ten

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Speaker 2: one is the patient needs to be educated because if

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Speaker 2: a parent would, you may end up having something done

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Speaker 2: that you should never have had done. Hence the whole

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Speaker 2: premise behind my podcast Classic Surgery Uncensored means you ultimately

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Speaker 2: carry that responsibility, so if you ask for something, you

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Speaker 2: is called collaborative medicine. Historically it was paternalistic. You came in,

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Speaker 2: You're like, hi, doctor Raban, Hi, how's it going. I

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Speaker 2: don't like the way I look? And a surgeon may

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Speaker 2: have said, great, you need to nose job but baye

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Speaker 2: blah blah blah and breastlift and whatever, and that was

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Speaker 2: it had downsides because what we're doing now is not

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Speaker 2: removing a gallbladder or a meningioma, which is finite. We're

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Speaker 2: doing something aesthetic, which is subjective. Whole new conversation. My

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Speaker 2: There's no discussion. It's not a maybe, not a sort

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Speaker 2: of not a cute gallbladder, It's out. So there's no

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Speaker 2: dialogue with plastic surgeries. What type of nose job? How cute?

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Speaker 2: How rotated, how scooped? Why narrow? Oh my god, look

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Speaker 2: how great my nose job is that I made for you.

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Speaker 2: This is the worst no job I've ever seen. What Hello,

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Speaker 2: So paternalistic medicine historically failed, right because it was my preferences.

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Speaker 2: do that mostly because it's non frick and again feast

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Speaker 2: you money, it takes a really big person to be like,

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Speaker 2: this is such a good idea. The ideal practice of

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Speaker 2: plastic surgery is collaborative. Patients come in and say, I

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Speaker 2: don't love my nose, I'm not crazy about my saggy breast. Hey,

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Speaker 2: They share with you their concerns. They share with you inevitably,

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Speaker 2: whether you like it or not, their WebMD, their chat,

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Speaker 2: GPT thought process. You can undo it. Here's an image

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Speaker 2: that chat made. And then you, as the professional, engage

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Speaker 2: mental disorder, but that's on her sort of idea that

426
00:24:12,080 --> 00:24:14,280
Speaker 2: we keep comparing. The key to this is where am

427
00:24:14,320 --> 00:24:17,040
Speaker 2: I going to feel happy? And these are all tools.

428
00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:21,199
Speaker 2: You use them, you don't use them. So of course,

429
00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:24,480
Speaker 2: on a marketing side, what's being presented to you is

430
00:24:24,480 --> 00:24:26,720
Speaker 2: going to seem overwhelming because you never had this much

431
00:24:26,760 --> 00:24:30,320
Speaker 2: marketing before. Right, I saw a billboard, you watched her TV.

432
00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:34,520
Speaker 2: It was in a magazine. Sure, now it's and the

433
00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:37,919
Speaker 2: feed is brilliant one like, and all of a sudden,

434
00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:41,560
Speaker 2: everyone's getting a faceliop because there's seventy thousand of these. Yeah,

435
00:24:41,600 --> 00:24:44,560
Speaker 2: and you know it's a self fulfilling prophecy. So you

436
00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:47,720
Speaker 2: have to really do some homework internally. Now, to me,

437
00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:51,200
Speaker 2: these are tools, and it's like saying, you know, oh,

438
00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:53,080
Speaker 2: the new diabetic medication is so much better than the

439
00:24:53,119 --> 00:24:56,439
Speaker 2: last diabetic medication. Well, then take advantage of it, like,

440
00:24:56,760 --> 00:24:59,320
Speaker 2: use it, use the tool. Just know where your end

441
00:24:59,320 --> 00:25:03,080
Speaker 2: point is. And that's what's getting great. That is why

442
00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:07,800
Speaker 2: I don't represent myself in an illegal matters. I have

443
00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:12,360
Speaker 2: a lawyer. I am very bright. I am not going

444
00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:15,920
Speaker 2: to court without a lawyer. I don't do my own taxes.

445
00:25:16,840 --> 00:25:20,240
Speaker 2: So when it comes to this journey of yours, identify

446
00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:23,800
Speaker 2: which we will get to someone you trust, just like

447
00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:27,520
Speaker 2: your pool man, and then that person, along with you,

448
00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:32,679
Speaker 2: should help elucidate what is that that you dislike, what

449
00:25:32,760 --> 00:25:35,320
Speaker 2: are the options for that thing you dislike, and what

450
00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:41,360
Speaker 2: is your appetite for it? So there are small tools botox,

451
00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:46,720
Speaker 2: laser filler. There are big tools facelift, browlift, eyelid. You

452
00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:51,880
Speaker 2: use a screw driver for a screw, you don't use

453
00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:54,560
Speaker 2: a hammer for a screw. And so what's all fucked

454
00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:57,320
Speaker 2: up is that, you know, Oh, I'm starting to have

455
00:25:57,359 --> 00:26:02,680
Speaker 2: a few little wrinkles. Facelift? How about no? Right? Right?

456
00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:05,440
Speaker 2: Oh I'm fifty six and I got this excess neck skin.

457
00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:10,600
Speaker 2: Let's try a laser how about no. So it's not

458
00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:13,919
Speaker 2: rocket science. The reason it's out of whack is because

459
00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:16,960
Speaker 2: there's a lot of a lot of on the left

460
00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:19,359
Speaker 2: and a lot on the right, just like our politics. Yeah,

461
00:26:19,560 --> 00:26:22,240
Speaker 2: I distripped everything of politics. I never mentioned a word

462
00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:26,520
Speaker 2: to you, and I just said basic concepts. Homeless people

463
00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:29,880
Speaker 2: shouldn't lay on the street and urinate in their own Oh, yes,

464
00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:32,560
Speaker 2: I agree with that. Oh people should feel safe in

465
00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:34,919
Speaker 2: their home and you know, not have to carry guns

466
00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:37,200
Speaker 2: to protect themselves. Like I don't think anyone in their

467
00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:40,200
Speaker 2: normal mindset agree with these things. The minute I add

468
00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:41,679
Speaker 2: a blue or red to it. Oh my god, this

469
00:26:41,760 --> 00:26:44,560
Speaker 2: is crazy. Whatever exactly, plastic surgery is no different. And

470
00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:47,560
Speaker 2: so the reason why we're all starting to look the

471
00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:51,000
Speaker 2: same is because when you take a feature, take a feature,

472
00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:55,399
Speaker 2: and you keep turning that feature and turning the feature

473
00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:57,359
Speaker 2: and turning it, they all end at the same place.

474
00:26:57,640 --> 00:27:01,479
Speaker 2: So when we raise your eyebrows, because saggy eyebrows are

475
00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:05,560
Speaker 2: not ideal, right it is putting over my eyebrow is

476
00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:09,160
Speaker 2: not attractive, right, turn it up and lift it. Lift

477
00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:11,880
Speaker 2: it lifted. Oh that looks good. Lift it lifted. Oh

478
00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:13,720
Speaker 2: that looks a little weird. Lift it, lift it. Now

479
00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:17,400
Speaker 2: you look like some bizarre woman. So every feature can

480
00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:19,760
Speaker 2: be turned up to aloud. When you take the sum

481
00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:24,000
Speaker 2: total of all features little Barbie nose, super cat eyes,

482
00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:29,200
Speaker 2: high eyebrows, big big lips, really pointy chin, well then

483
00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:32,520
Speaker 2: you have the same morphed person. We're all morphing to

484
00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:36,560
Speaker 2: the same because we're just blowing out features. There are

485
00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:40,320
Speaker 2: no nuances left. That is the fault of the provider.

486
00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:47,280
Speaker 2: The provider feeds into you this whole filler craze which

487
00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:49,639
Speaker 2: is now it's poison. Filler's poisoned. By the way, Oh

488
00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:51,879
Speaker 2: my god, I can't believe you said filler. How dare

489
00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:57,080
Speaker 2: you Wait? Aren't you here last year? I'm looking at

490
00:27:57,080 --> 00:28:01,480
Speaker 2: your chart here and you've had seventeen thousand dollars. It's

491
00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:04,240
Speaker 2: not the filler. That's like saying, oh my god, I

492
00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:08,600
Speaker 2: had this cake. Man, it was so salty. Ugh, why

493
00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:12,760
Speaker 2: do we even use salt? You're blaming the salt. Why

494
00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:15,000
Speaker 2: don't you blame the guy that puts salt in the cake?

495
00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:19,800
Speaker 2: So we're blaming filler, which is a phenomenal tool, like

496
00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:23,640
Speaker 2: wow for the person who used it to blow out

497
00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:25,640
Speaker 2: your face when you need a facelift. So we're gonna

498
00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:28,159
Speaker 2: get you the question at hand because it pertains to

499
00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:31,240
Speaker 2: you and perhaps some of your listeners. Wait, I don't

500
00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:33,399
Speaker 2: understand talk to him about this whole facelift thing. What

501
00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:35,560
Speaker 2: the hell are we doing something we weren't doing? Why

502
00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:37,320
Speaker 2: did these people look so good? Where the hell was

503
00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:41,920
Speaker 2: this procedure? How come this is the dialogue? Right? So,

504
00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:46,000
Speaker 2: unlike most things in plastic surgery that come on to

505
00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:51,560
Speaker 2: social media, I would earnestly think most of them are nonsense. Okay,

506
00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:54,280
Speaker 2: I don't think we've really developed that much new in

507
00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:57,920
Speaker 2: plastic surgery in seventy five years. It isn't. Yes, no,

508
00:28:58,040 --> 00:29:02,680
Speaker 2: maybe on the MEDSPA side, urgical techniques have been tried

509
00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:04,640
Speaker 2: and true for since the seventies.

510
00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:07,000
Speaker 1: Wow, okay, some.

511
00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:09,120
Speaker 2: People have nuanced it a little bit, but we haven't.

512
00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:13,320
Speaker 2: AI is new. We never had AI. I don't even

513
00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:17,840
Speaker 2: know weird. This is been around and most of the

514
00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:20,600
Speaker 2: stuff is surgeons trying to figure out a way to

515
00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:26,200
Speaker 2: remarket repackage the same goddamn thing. Like, Okay, I know

516
00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:29,680
Speaker 2: everybody everyone, I know, everybody knows what a pencil is.

517
00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:31,680
Speaker 2: What don't we put it in a shiny box this

518
00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:34,400
Speaker 2: time and then instead of calling it a pencil, we'll

519
00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:37,160
Speaker 2: call it a pencil light, and then maybe we put

520
00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:40,840
Speaker 2: a little light at the end of it. It's a pencil, dude.

521
00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:46,160
Speaker 2: So ninety percent of what you're seeing is repackaging. Because

522
00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:49,640
Speaker 2: I doctor Rabond won you and there's eighty of me

523
00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:52,800
Speaker 2: in Beverly Hills, actually five hundred of me, but that

524
00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:56,080
Speaker 2: goes without saying. In from my office, if I open

525
00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:58,120
Speaker 2: the window and I can see like eight plastic surgeons off,

526
00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:02,080
Speaker 2: so it's it's like Seattle and Starbucks. It's like every

527
00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:05,440
Speaker 2: guy game. Yeah, So if I am feast or famine,

528
00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:08,000
Speaker 2: keep that in mind every time you think. And I'm

529
00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:10,960
Speaker 2: trying to get an edge, and that edge isn't based

530
00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:13,480
Speaker 2: on who I am, what I do, how good I am.

531
00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:16,240
Speaker 2: I'm gonna market the shit out of you, and I'm

532
00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:18,480
Speaker 2: gonna market you by telling you that I invented something

533
00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:21,840
Speaker 2: that nobody else has. I created this procedure, nobody has it.

534
00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:25,880
Speaker 2: It's a Ribond facelift Laski lift. So ninety percent of

535
00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:29,560
Speaker 2: it is garbage. The facelifts you are currently seeing today

536
00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:34,160
Speaker 2: have always been here. No one, not doctor Lavine, No

537
00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:39,040
Speaker 2: one invented anything. We are all standing on the shoulders

538
00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:42,480
Speaker 2: of giants. Every one of these techniques were figured out

539
00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:45,520
Speaker 2: before us. Sure, I do it a little bit different,

540
00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:47,920
Speaker 2: Doctor so and so does it a little different. I

541
00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:50,560
Speaker 2: put my stitch here, he puts his stitch there. But

542
00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:52,880
Speaker 2: we didn't invent it. And if anyone says that, they're

543
00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:55,400
Speaker 2: full of shit. And that's what makes me angry. And

544
00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:58,520
Speaker 2: that's why I have a podcast, because you know, it's

545
00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:02,000
Speaker 2: one thing to say that my look at my results. Yes, yes,

546
00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:05,800
Speaker 2: you should fall and lean on your results, right, just

547
00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:09,920
Speaker 2: like you should lean on how beautiful your makeup is. Right,

548
00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:11,680
Speaker 2: But don't tell me you came up with some makeup

549
00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:14,480
Speaker 2: because you didn't. Okay, don't give me that bullshit. You

550
00:31:14,520 --> 00:31:17,520
Speaker 2: didn't come up with highlighting, right, right, But what has

551
00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:30,440
Speaker 2: changed is the following. Pay close attention. Up until literally

552
00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:36,280
Speaker 2: five years ago, we would do facelifts on people fifty

553
00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:40,200
Speaker 2: five and older. Okay, right, so what does that mean?

554
00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:44,600
Speaker 2: Your mom, my, mom? People of that nature? Right, they

555
00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:49,360
Speaker 2: would have three main qualities. They'd have a jowl, right,

556
00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:52,160
Speaker 2: they'd have a marionette, which is a line that goes

557
00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:54,560
Speaker 2: from your mouth to your jaw, and then have some

558
00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:57,800
Speaker 2: laxity or looseness in their skin. Those are the criteria

559
00:31:57,880 --> 00:31:59,640
Speaker 2: for a facelift, even though they're in the neck will

560
00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:02,120
Speaker 2: elap right on that. Another day, they would come in

561
00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:04,640
Speaker 2: and it would be obvious as they like, literally, they

562
00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:06,880
Speaker 2: have a major jowl, a major neck band, and some

563
00:32:07,040 --> 00:32:10,480
Speaker 2: major marionette, and we do the same procedure we're doing

564
00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:14,320
Speaker 2: today on them and they would look better. But many

565
00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:17,720
Speaker 2: of them would look a little dramatic. They would seem

566
00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:21,000
Speaker 2: a little tighter because they have shittier skin because they're

567
00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:26,000
Speaker 2: sixty eight and the transformation would be from minus two

568
00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:31,080
Speaker 2: to plus twelve. That's dramatic. And then all of a sudden,

569
00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:35,640
Speaker 2: celebrities who always pushed the envelope good or bad, started

570
00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:40,920
Speaker 2: getting these exact same procedure, same procedure. At forty seven,

571
00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:48,560
Speaker 2: they had a little marionetting, a little jowling, a little

572
00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:53,000
Speaker 2: neck skin. They were imperfect. They started showing signs of aging,

573
00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:56,720
Speaker 2: and instead of waiting till they were fifty nine and

574
00:32:56,800 --> 00:33:00,600
Speaker 2: a train wreck in their mind, they apply, why the

575
00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:05,320
Speaker 2: same procedure earlier, and what you got was the current phenomenon,

576
00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:08,200
Speaker 2: which is what the fuck? Holy shit, look at Lindsay Lean.

577
00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:12,440
Speaker 2: Why because it was the right thing to do this one,

578
00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:17,840
Speaker 2: I'm all for. What was happening is from forty four

579
00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:22,640
Speaker 2: three to oh man, this is a catastrophe. Sixty five,

580
00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:26,120
Speaker 2: seventy whatever it was was a desert. So what do

581
00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:29,480
Speaker 2: you do, Kelly, I don't know. Just put some filler

582
00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:32,640
Speaker 2: in it. I don't know, laser it, put some cables.

583
00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:36,480
Speaker 2: I got to kill the time because I'm not ready

584
00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:42,680
Speaker 2: for a facelift. But why because I'm too young according

585
00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:46,959
Speaker 2: to whom? According to general And all of a sudden

586
00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:49,760
Speaker 2: we realize, oh shit, we should have been done thing

587
00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:54,880
Speaker 2: doing this earlier. Why much better skin, much better tissue.

588
00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:57,280
Speaker 2: You have to pull a lot less because I'm going

589
00:33:57,280 --> 00:34:01,920
Speaker 2: from minus two to minus one and people look spectacular.

590
00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:07,920
Speaker 2: Why because you're using a screwdriver on a screw And

591
00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:11,040
Speaker 2: so it's not a new phenomenon, it's not a new surgery,

592
00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:15,000
Speaker 2: it's nothing. It's just applying the same principles in a

593
00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:19,479
Speaker 2: much better candidate. And so when you are forty six,

594
00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:23,799
Speaker 2: forty eight, forty nine, forty whatever, and you're starting to

595
00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:27,400
Speaker 2: develop these things, you now have the freedom. Whereas before

596
00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:30,560
Speaker 2: it was like you did what you got a facelift?

597
00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:34,759
Speaker 2: Are you? Are you crazy? Like? But now it's like, oh,

598
00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:38,040
Speaker 2: good on you. It's like, wait a second. Five years

599
00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:40,600
Speaker 2: ago you would have thought so all we've done, all

600
00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:44,279
Speaker 2: we've done is applied it earlier. I have four nieces.

601
00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:48,799
Speaker 2: I did their nose jobs between sixteen and twenty two.

602
00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:52,160
Speaker 2: No one blanked an eyelash. Nobody said anything weird, like,

603
00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:55,040
Speaker 2: oh that's cool. They're lucky to have their uncle's appliative.

604
00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:59,480
Speaker 2: I operated on a sixteen year old. I rearranged your face,

605
00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:04,120
Speaker 2: but we had societally accepted that's okay.

606
00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:05,080
Speaker 1: Right.

607
00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:07,520
Speaker 2: When a forty seven year old who's starting to jow

608
00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:09,440
Speaker 2: and doesn't like it and starting to look a little

609
00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:13,000
Speaker 2: tired gets a facelift. Call it a mini because it

610
00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:16,000
Speaker 2: makes you feel better. Fine, call it a mini. We

611
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:18,880
Speaker 2: were like, what, Oh my god, you're crazy. You're a junkie.

612
00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:23,480
Speaker 2: So this whole facelift phenomenon is one of the few

613
00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:27,680
Speaker 2: things that have come good out of all this celebrityism.

614
00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:29,879
Speaker 2: It doesn't take away all the other things you talked

615
00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:32,400
Speaker 2: about finding the right surgeon, not getting paralysis. I mean,

616
00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:36,120
Speaker 2: there's one hundred pitfalls. But starting it earlier is the

617
00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:40,000
Speaker 2: right answer. And the right answer is when you start

618
00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:44,520
Speaker 2: to notice that this area is starting to sack enough

619
00:35:44,560 --> 00:35:48,479
Speaker 2: that it bothers you. Yeah, no, criteria is not wait

620
00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:52,200
Speaker 2: forty seven, I have another six months before it's whenever

621
00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:55,320
Speaker 2: you start noticing it's bothering you, then you're a candidate

622
00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:59,600
Speaker 2: to reverse it. Obviously it's milder than when you're sixty five.

623
00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:01,040
Speaker 2: But who the hell wants to wait till they have

624
00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:06,400
Speaker 2: a complete flat tire? Right, So it's a new tool

625
00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:09,120
Speaker 2: that you didn't have because you never it wasn't available

626
00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:12,640
Speaker 2: to you. The reason why we got into this filler mess.

627
00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:16,560
Speaker 2: This is full circle, is that when you were forty

628
00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:19,560
Speaker 2: six and you started having jowls and a marionette and

629
00:36:19,560 --> 00:36:22,400
Speaker 2: a neck, and you had no goddamn tool. There was

630
00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:26,800
Speaker 2: no screwdriver. You grabbed the hammer and you started filling

631
00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:31,840
Speaker 2: your face, filling and filling and filling. And initially it

632
00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:35,359
Speaker 2: was like, oh, that's better because it did a little volumizing,

633
00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:38,480
Speaker 2: because theoretically we all lose a little volume. Right as

634
00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:40,759
Speaker 2: you weren't allowed to grab the screwdriver. You just kept

635
00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:43,760
Speaker 2: hammering this goddamn screwing and at some point it looked

636
00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:47,120
Speaker 2: like a pillow face. And in the last ten years,

637
00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:49,640
Speaker 2: because we had a new tool and nobody knew how

638
00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:53,080
Speaker 2: to use it correctly, everyone was adding salt to their recipe.

639
00:36:53,239 --> 00:36:58,320
Speaker 2: And now everybody hates salt. You see. That's yeah.

640
00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:00,520
Speaker 1: Well, I have one question about well, this is like

641
00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:02,759
Speaker 1: a technical thing about the facelift. But because we're doing

642
00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:04,920
Speaker 1: them earlier, which makes so much sense to me, and

643
00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:08,800
Speaker 1: that is what I've seen happening, the results don't seem

644
00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:10,600
Speaker 1: as drastic because I think what I used to be

645
00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:13,520
Speaker 1: scared of with facelifts was like that super tight. You know,

646
00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:17,240
Speaker 1: your lips look really wide and it just looks overdone.

647
00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:23,239
Speaker 3: But that's because you're now pulling exactly now pulling on

648
00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:31,440
Speaker 3: steel on jello. Yes, Secondly, you're pulling one millimeter instead

649
00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:35,799
Speaker 3: of ten millimeters, right, So when you pull harder on

650
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:39,759
Speaker 3: shittier tissue, you get a more weird look, and you

651
00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:40,279
Speaker 3: pull a.

652
00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:43,760
Speaker 2: Little because that's what you need. On much better tissue,

653
00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:46,640
Speaker 2: you get a more natural result. So if I did

654
00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:48,239
Speaker 2: a face of f on a ninety six year old,

655
00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:53,640
Speaker 2: it will look garbage because she has terrible anatomy. Right,

656
00:37:54,239 --> 00:37:57,520
Speaker 2: So it's you know, there's deep plane. There's a lot

657
00:37:57,560 --> 00:37:59,560
Speaker 2: of technical things that we're not going to bother with

658
00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:02,719
Speaker 2: because that's issue here. There are one hundred different ways

659
00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:05,399
Speaker 2: to slice this, or a thousand wasts to skin the cat,

660
00:38:05,719 --> 00:38:08,480
Speaker 2: deep playing when we do things under the muscle. But again,

661
00:38:08,719 --> 00:38:11,440
Speaker 2: none of it is novel and it's not your main here.

662
00:38:11,440 --> 00:38:14,120
Speaker 2: But what you need to know is the reason ninety

663
00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:16,160
Speaker 2: nine percent of the things that come out are nonsense.

664
00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:18,160
Speaker 2: This one is good because all we did was move

665
00:38:18,239 --> 00:38:19,439
Speaker 2: to dial earlier too.

666
00:38:19,560 --> 00:38:23,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's so interesting. Okay, let's talk about We've mentioned

667
00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:25,600
Speaker 1: a couple times about doctors, and I think this is

668
00:38:25,640 --> 00:38:29,040
Speaker 1: probably one of the most important things to this conversation

669
00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:31,879
Speaker 1: is how do we pick the right doctor for us?

670
00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:34,080
Speaker 1: So what are your thoughts on that and what do

671
00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:36,960
Speaker 1: you suggest to people who are just starting their journey

672
00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:38,680
Speaker 1: into possibly getting plastic surgery.

673
00:38:39,239 --> 00:38:42,439
Speaker 2: Okay, there are so many key components. Okay, number one,

674
00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:47,640
Speaker 2: you need to understand the alphabet soup of plastic surgeons.

675
00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:49,799
Speaker 2: When you have a brain tumor, who do you go

676
00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:54,400
Speaker 2: see a neurologist, A neurologists who removes that brain tumor

677
00:38:54,440 --> 00:38:55,080
Speaker 2: out of your brain?

678
00:38:55,920 --> 00:39:01,600
Speaker 1: A neurologist, surgeon, a neurosurgeon. Okay, would you go to

679
00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:03,239
Speaker 1: your obed or remove that tumbor out of your head?

680
00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:03,960
Speaker 1: Absolutely not.

681
00:39:04,239 --> 00:39:09,920
Speaker 2: Now, when when you have a broken femur, who do

682
00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:10,600
Speaker 2: you go see?

683
00:39:11,719 --> 00:39:12,920
Speaker 1: An orthopedic surgeant?

684
00:39:13,120 --> 00:39:14,640
Speaker 2: Perfect? You see how this? Do you see how this

685
00:39:14,719 --> 00:39:15,120
Speaker 2: game work?

686
00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:15,600
Speaker 1: Yeah?

687
00:39:16,239 --> 00:39:20,920
Speaker 2: When you have uh saggy browse or a flatter chest

688
00:39:21,120 --> 00:39:23,320
Speaker 2: or excess skin on your abamin, who do you go see?

689
00:39:23,560 --> 00:39:28,759
Speaker 1: Plastic sergeant? Okay?

690
00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:32,920
Speaker 2: This is one of the main reasons people get screwed. Okay,

691
00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:38,560
Speaker 2: in the past, that was a correct answer because just

692
00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:40,279
Speaker 2: like the other examples I gave you, that was the

693
00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:44,280
Speaker 2: person who did it. But over the last twenty years,

694
00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:47,759
Speaker 2: a lot of these other specialties orthopedics, e N t

695
00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:51,919
Speaker 2: obd y N e ER, interventional radiology, pediatrics, all these

696
00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:56,880
Speaker 2: other medical professionals because as a country, we chose to

697
00:39:57,080 --> 00:39:59,680
Speaker 2: reduce their reimbursement because they're greedy doctors and they get

698
00:39:59,680 --> 00:40:03,799
Speaker 2: too more much money. Yet insurance companies keep making more money.

699
00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:06,120
Speaker 2: We just squeezed the doctors who are doing the work

700
00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:10,239
Speaker 2: not relevant right now. They said, fuck this, I don't

701
00:40:10,239 --> 00:40:12,880
Speaker 2: want to see your snotty little kid and give them

702
00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:14,719
Speaker 2: a bunch of vaccines and you give me twenty three

703
00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:17,480
Speaker 2: dollars copay. My plumber makes three hundred and fifty dollars

704
00:40:17,520 --> 00:40:20,000
Speaker 2: an hour. So they said, wait, I'm really smart. I

705
00:40:20,080 --> 00:40:24,279
Speaker 2: went to med school and I can relearn anything because

706
00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:26,680
Speaker 2: I'm one of the tops and brightest. And they decided

707
00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:30,319
Speaker 2: that we're all that's all the people I just said

708
00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:32,600
Speaker 2: to you, ORTHOPEDOSNT blah blah blah, We're all going to

709
00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:37,960
Speaker 2: start doing cosmetic surgery. I'm done with this bullshit, snotty

710
00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:40,560
Speaker 2: ear ear whack, none of that shit I'm doing anymore.

711
00:40:41,680 --> 00:40:44,840
Speaker 2: And what they all decided to do is cosmetic surgery.

712
00:40:45,239 --> 00:40:47,760
Speaker 2: Notice I didn't say plastic surgery, I said, cosmetic surgery.

713
00:40:48,760 --> 00:40:53,080
Speaker 2: And they created the deep web of plastic surgery, an

714
00:40:53,120 --> 00:40:57,560
Speaker 2: alternative universe to the real version. And they have their

715
00:40:57,600 --> 00:41:00,040
Speaker 2: societies and they have their meetings, and they have the

716
00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:02,680
Speaker 2: or whatever and their weekend courses. Now, mind you, all

717
00:41:02,719 --> 00:41:06,560
Speaker 2: these people are trained in other shit, right, and then

718
00:41:06,600 --> 00:41:10,000
Speaker 2: they give each other seals of approval. Yeah, you have

719
00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:14,319
Speaker 2: a certification in the American Academy of Lipodermatage. Like just

720
00:41:14,360 --> 00:41:18,080
Speaker 2: a bunch of garbage that you wouldn't doctors don't know.

721
00:41:18,160 --> 00:41:20,400
Speaker 2: I mean, I've had patients who are doctors there. I

722
00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:22,040
Speaker 2: took care of them, and when I asked them who

723
00:41:22,040 --> 00:41:23,800
Speaker 2: else they've seen, they give me a name. We google it,

724
00:41:23,840 --> 00:41:25,520
Speaker 2: and I'm like, are you kidding me? Bro, this guy's

725
00:41:25,560 --> 00:41:28,359
Speaker 2: a dentist. They don't even get it. So you think

726
00:41:28,360 --> 00:41:30,600
Speaker 2: a patient, and average patient from Oklahoma is going to

727
00:41:30,680 --> 00:41:34,040
Speaker 2: know what the hell I'm talking about? Right, So they

728
00:41:34,080 --> 00:41:38,880
Speaker 2: go as board certified cosmetic surgeons. So they're board certified

729
00:41:39,160 --> 00:41:42,719
Speaker 2: in obgyn and they're doing cosmetic surgery. Who the hell

730
00:41:42,760 --> 00:41:46,120
Speaker 2: would let them do that? Private surgery centers. So when

731
00:41:46,160 --> 00:41:48,120
Speaker 2: I want to take a tumor out of your head,

732
00:41:48,280 --> 00:41:51,600
Speaker 2: I have to do it where in a hospital? Right?

733
00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:54,560
Speaker 2: The tumor out in my office? Right?

734
00:41:54,840 --> 00:41:55,560
Speaker 1: Yeah?

735
00:41:55,719 --> 00:41:57,879
Speaker 2: So I go to a hospital, my local hospital here

736
00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:01,440
Speaker 2: Cedars sign On Medical Center, and the hospital has to

737
00:42:01,600 --> 00:42:06,840
Speaker 2: allow me privileges to take that tumor out. Okay, okay,

738
00:42:07,200 --> 00:42:09,359
Speaker 2: And if I'm not a neurosurgeon, they're going to say,

739
00:42:10,360 --> 00:42:14,360
Speaker 2: get out of our hospital. You're not trained. Where do

740
00:42:14,400 --> 00:42:17,239
Speaker 2: I do my breast dog Where do I do my facelift?

741
00:42:17,239 --> 00:42:19,120
Speaker 2: Where do I do my blephoplasi? Where do I do

742
00:42:19,160 --> 00:42:21,480
Speaker 2: my eye lid surgery, my tummy tech? Where in my

743
00:42:21,880 --> 00:42:29,279
Speaker 2: private surgery center? In my office? Who's the medical director? Me? Ah?

744
00:42:29,520 --> 00:42:31,680
Speaker 2: Who decides what I can or can't do?

745
00:42:32,239 --> 00:42:32,319
Speaker 3: Me?

746
00:42:33,480 --> 00:42:36,000
Speaker 2: So, if I want to take out a tumor in

747
00:42:36,080 --> 00:42:38,840
Speaker 2: an office, which is impossible because of the ICU and

748
00:42:38,840 --> 00:42:42,920
Speaker 2: all that I can, I give myself privileges. Wait the

749
00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:45,640
Speaker 2: American board, there are no one watching over this. You're

750
00:42:45,680 --> 00:42:49,160
Speaker 2: a doctor, You do what the hell you want. So

751
00:42:49,520 --> 00:42:55,040
Speaker 2: we have a massive influx of untrained, poorly trained, undertrained

752
00:42:55,400 --> 00:42:59,440
Speaker 2: individuals flooding the market. I'm not saying they're terrible, and

753
00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:02,400
Speaker 2: plastics walk on water. There are shit ton of shitty

754
00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:06,000
Speaker 2: plastic surgeons. But in the hierarchy of things. There's no

755
00:43:06,040 --> 00:43:10,279
Speaker 2: reason for them to exist, but because of the financial elements,

756
00:43:10,719 --> 00:43:13,480
Speaker 2: this whole new world exists. So the first thing you

757
00:43:13,520 --> 00:43:15,600
Speaker 2: need to know if you're listening is when you google

758
00:43:15,640 --> 00:43:18,239
Speaker 2: a doctor. I don't care what their face looks. Their

759
00:43:18,280 --> 00:43:20,600
Speaker 2: front looks like, oh my got thousand reviews, the guy

760
00:43:20,640 --> 00:43:22,879
Speaker 2: walks on water, he works for the Academy of blah blah.

761
00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:27,840
Speaker 2: They need to be a board certified plastic surgeon, not

762
00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:33,600
Speaker 2: facial plastic, not dermato plastic surgeon. They went to a

763
00:43:33,800 --> 00:43:39,840
Speaker 2: plastic surgery residency. Okay, if you can't start there, you're doomed.

764
00:43:40,200 --> 00:43:46,080
Speaker 2: It's so tricky. Then you want to do basic things.

765
00:43:46,080 --> 00:43:48,600
Speaker 2: You want to make sure that they're in good standings

766
00:43:48,680 --> 00:43:52,560
Speaker 2: with the board of that state California Medical Board, Massachusetts

767
00:43:52,600 --> 00:43:55,280
Speaker 2: Medical Board. Then you want to make sure he's easy googles,

768
00:43:55,280 --> 00:43:57,760
Speaker 2: that they don't have massive lawsuits, they're not in tons

769
00:43:57,760 --> 00:44:01,360
Speaker 2: of litigation. They want to make sure they're license hasn't

770
00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:06,920
Speaker 2: been revoked or suspended or modified. Then the number one

771
00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:09,759
Speaker 2: most important thing is you want to see their results.

772
00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:11,920
Speaker 2: You're not there to be their friend. You don't give

773
00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:15,520
Speaker 2: a shit how many followers they have. You want to

774
00:44:15,600 --> 00:44:23,040
Speaker 2: see six hundred breast dogs and eighty percent of them

775
00:44:23,080 --> 00:44:27,439
Speaker 2: should walk on water. The second problem, Oh, how many

776
00:44:27,600 --> 00:44:29,520
Speaker 2: have you seen doctor Shu No, I actually haven't looked

777
00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:31,680
Speaker 2: at it. You haven't looked at his work. You bought

778
00:44:31,880 --> 00:44:34,560
Speaker 2: a three point five million dollar car, you never drove it.

779
00:44:35,800 --> 00:44:38,400
Speaker 2: So you go online, get yourself a cup of coffee,

780
00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:41,040
Speaker 2: and you'd be as critical as you can, because remember

781
00:44:41,560 --> 00:44:44,640
Speaker 2: this shit online is the best of the best of

782
00:44:44,680 --> 00:44:48,600
Speaker 2: the best of their work. That means ninety eight point

783
00:44:48,640 --> 00:44:52,520
Speaker 2: five percent of their work didn't make it. So if

784
00:44:52,560 --> 00:44:55,239
Speaker 2: you kind of hem and haw at their point five

785
00:44:55,360 --> 00:45:00,640
Speaker 2: best work, move on. You just you got it and

786
00:45:00,680 --> 00:45:04,000
Speaker 2: you can't have six results. Okay, so here are the

787
00:45:04,040 --> 00:45:06,920
Speaker 2: six tummy tucks, Like, what what do you mean this?

788
00:45:07,080 --> 00:45:11,279
Speaker 2: You're like two hundred? Okay, so work trumps everything. Then

789
00:45:11,320 --> 00:45:13,680
Speaker 2: you want to read what patients are saying, and you

790
00:45:13,719 --> 00:45:16,200
Speaker 2: want to do it with a grain of salt. You

791
00:45:16,239 --> 00:45:18,359
Speaker 2: can make up this shit. You just got your entire

792
00:45:18,400 --> 00:45:21,640
Speaker 2: staff right that you walk on water. My grandmother wrote

793
00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:25,040
Speaker 2: that I walk on water. Right, Yeah, but you can

794
00:45:25,280 --> 00:45:40,120
Speaker 2: fabricate hundreds of complex, very extravagant reviews. You go right

795
00:45:40,120 --> 00:45:43,800
Speaker 2: now on my reviews and you'll see three pagers. Susie,

796
00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:45,520
Speaker 2: I flew in from Michigan and then when I met

797
00:45:45,520 --> 00:45:50,120
Speaker 2: the guy at the airport, like really well written reviews,

798
00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:53,680
Speaker 2: So those start to get a degree of authenticity. Remember

799
00:45:53,760 --> 00:45:56,920
Speaker 2: everything is a grain of sault. Then you got to

800
00:45:56,960 --> 00:46:01,160
Speaker 2: meet the guy or gal. You have to use your

801
00:46:01,200 --> 00:46:03,560
Speaker 2: spidery senses. Yeah, he was a little bit of an

802
00:46:03,640 --> 00:46:07,359
Speaker 2: arrogant ass. He wasn't really listening. She was just kind

803
00:46:07,360 --> 00:46:11,319
Speaker 2: of selling me on bigger implants. You would never go

804
00:46:11,360 --> 00:46:13,480
Speaker 2: out with a guy or a girl on a second

805
00:46:13,560 --> 00:46:15,520
Speaker 2: date if you had bad experience, why would you have

806
00:46:15,520 --> 00:46:18,839
Speaker 2: selected them as your surgeon. We have four hundred and

807
00:46:18,840 --> 00:46:22,239
Speaker 2: fifty thousand plastic surgeons, and if you need to go elsewhere,

808
00:46:22,440 --> 00:46:25,080
Speaker 2: go elsewhere. A third of my practice is from out

809
00:46:25,120 --> 00:46:29,120
Speaker 2: of a state. If you can find someone locally, by

810
00:46:29,160 --> 00:46:32,919
Speaker 2: far the best. So it's easy. It's an expensive grade.

811
00:46:33,160 --> 00:46:36,080
Speaker 2: But if you're like, wow, all these doctors in Idaho blow,

812
00:46:36,640 --> 00:46:37,640
Speaker 2: then leave Idaho.

813
00:46:38,080 --> 00:46:39,200
Speaker 1: Yeah.

814
00:46:39,400 --> 00:46:42,680
Speaker 2: So now you put all of these together, and if

815
00:46:42,680 --> 00:46:48,640
Speaker 2: they don't all connect, there's a problem. If there's a disconnect, disconnect,

816
00:46:49,040 --> 00:46:53,240
Speaker 2: something doesn't add up. So the guy is Harvard trained,

817
00:46:53,920 --> 00:46:55,640
Speaker 2: the guy that you went on a day with he's

818
00:46:55,640 --> 00:46:59,040
Speaker 2: from Harvard, his parents are amazing, they're still married. Da

819
00:46:59,120 --> 00:47:01,560
Speaker 2: da da da da da da. But then like he

820
00:47:01,680 --> 00:47:08,840
Speaker 2: eats with his hands. Yeah, thing's not adding. I don't know.

821
00:47:08,960 --> 00:47:12,680
Speaker 2: Something's fishy about this situation. It should connect.

822
00:47:13,160 --> 00:47:13,680
Speaker 1: Yeah.

823
00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:18,960
Speaker 2: Notice, notice I didn't say a goddamn thing about social media.

824
00:47:19,360 --> 00:47:21,520
Speaker 2: And the problem is that is where people go. So

825
00:47:21,600 --> 00:47:23,920
Speaker 2: let me tell you all of the reasons why that's patched.

826
00:47:24,120 --> 00:47:29,800
Speaker 2: Graphic number one. All the all the followers are bought.

827
00:47:30,320 --> 00:47:32,799
Speaker 2: You just buy it. You just go, Hey, I want

828
00:47:32,920 --> 00:47:35,560
Speaker 2: one hundred and fifty thousand followers, click, you buy them.

829
00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:40,319
Speaker 2: All your likes are bought. I want this post. I

830
00:47:40,320 --> 00:47:44,640
Speaker 2: won five and forty four likes. All your comments are

831
00:47:44,680 --> 00:47:48,600
Speaker 2: bots or they're paid for. In other words, there's many

832
00:47:48,640 --> 00:47:53,400
Speaker 2: agencies where you pay them and their network of write

833
00:47:53,400 --> 00:47:58,160
Speaker 2: comments for you. Their photos can be doctored, it can

834
00:47:58,200 --> 00:48:02,359
Speaker 2: be a AI changed, they can be photomorph You're living

835
00:48:02,400 --> 00:48:06,040
Speaker 2: in an alternative universe. Collabs are useless because people get

836
00:48:06,040 --> 00:48:08,480
Speaker 2: paid to do them. Oh my god, did you know

837
00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:12,240
Speaker 2: that Kelly Anderson went there? Yeah? But did Kelly get paid?

838
00:48:14,400 --> 00:48:16,640
Speaker 2: Is Kelly get that for free? Is that part of

839
00:48:16,640 --> 00:48:20,920
Speaker 2: her deal that she has to post for the most

840
00:48:21,000 --> 00:48:23,920
Speaker 2: as nine place to get your information is some social media.

841
00:48:24,360 --> 00:48:29,520
Speaker 2: It should correlate. I did all my homework. This guy

842
00:48:29,560 --> 00:48:33,960
Speaker 2: seems really legit. Wow, social media presence is weird. The

843
00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:38,120
Speaker 2: guy's dancing and singing and holding up shit and grabbing boobs. Wow,

844
00:48:38,160 --> 00:48:41,279
Speaker 2: this guy's a weirdo. Did my homework seems like this

845
00:48:41,360 --> 00:48:47,160
Speaker 2: guy's legit. Social media presence educational, high level, classy. Why

846
00:48:47,200 --> 00:48:50,359
Speaker 2: would you go to a doctor who's entertaining, right, it's

847
00:48:50,480 --> 00:48:57,239
Speaker 2: along with you something I cringe. I had to unfollow

848
00:48:57,320 --> 00:49:00,759
Speaker 2: like a hundred of my colleagues. It's like they made

849
00:49:00,800 --> 00:49:02,480
Speaker 2: me follow them because they're like, you should know what's

850
00:49:02,520 --> 00:49:04,200
Speaker 2: going on and what everyone's doing, and it made me

851
00:49:04,239 --> 00:49:07,920
Speaker 2: so uncomfortable. I had to unfollow them because they're like

852
00:49:08,000 --> 00:49:11,960
Speaker 2: doing things and I'm just like, oh my god, you're

853
00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:17,600
Speaker 2: a doctor, for God's sakes. So anyways, no one thing

854
00:49:17,719 --> 00:49:21,719
Speaker 2: is the answer. It's the sum total of all things

855
00:49:21,760 --> 00:49:26,400
Speaker 2: should point north. If one thing points south, move on,

856
00:49:28,360 --> 00:49:34,960
Speaker 2: move on. There are so many well trained, educated, amazing

857
00:49:35,200 --> 00:49:39,600
Speaker 2: talented surgeons. There are enough ten percent of surgeons are amazing.

858
00:49:39,920 --> 00:49:44,520
Speaker 2: That's like two thousand doctors. If there is something that's

859
00:49:44,600 --> 00:49:48,560
Speaker 2: just not adding up, then move on. Don't sell yourself,

860
00:49:48,600 --> 00:49:51,920
Speaker 2: don't convince yourself. But Mary went there and Mary had

861
00:49:51,960 --> 00:49:54,120
Speaker 2: a good result. What does Mary have to do with anything.

862
00:49:54,440 --> 00:49:57,759
Speaker 2: Everybody hits the target once in a blue moon, and

863
00:49:57,800 --> 00:50:00,000
Speaker 2: when you have a bad result, you're to blame because

864
00:50:00,200 --> 00:50:03,280
Speaker 2: you're the one who's choosing this doctor. And I'm sorry,

865
00:50:03,320 --> 00:50:08,440
Speaker 2: but that's the sad reality. Yeah, hence the very existence

866
00:50:08,520 --> 00:50:12,239
Speaker 2: of my entire podcast, three hundred and some odd episode,

867
00:50:12,400 --> 00:50:15,279
Speaker 2: seven years of labor of love to do this so

868
00:50:15,360 --> 00:50:19,120
Speaker 2: that you can be wiser about when you select the surgeon,

869
00:50:19,280 --> 00:50:22,839
Speaker 2: because unfortunately it's a wild, wild West. We have regressed

870
00:50:22,960 --> 00:50:24,879
Speaker 2: in this specialty.

871
00:50:25,440 --> 00:50:28,280
Speaker 1: I mean, all of that information is so so so important,

872
00:50:28,320 --> 00:50:31,400
Speaker 1: and it's not the things that you would find on Instagram.

873
00:50:31,440 --> 00:50:33,840
Speaker 1: As you said, we don't know if they're buying followers.

874
00:50:33,880 --> 00:50:36,160
Speaker 1: I always actually kind of looked at it almost as

875
00:50:36,200 --> 00:50:39,760
Speaker 1: somewhat of a red flag when someone's the popular person

876
00:50:39,840 --> 00:50:43,560
Speaker 1: on social media, but like, do you know anything about

877
00:50:43,560 --> 00:50:47,920
Speaker 1: their practice, their results other than that, because someone can

878
00:50:47,960 --> 00:50:50,360
Speaker 1: be good at social media and not the best doctor.

879
00:50:50,840 --> 00:50:53,720
Speaker 2: There are guys that graduate I've been out twenty one years.

880
00:50:53,760 --> 00:50:56,040
Speaker 2: There are guys that graduate within the first two years.

881
00:50:56,040 --> 00:50:59,440
Speaker 2: They have five hundred thousand followers. Right, they're out two years.

882
00:51:00,360 --> 00:51:02,080
Speaker 2: Guys that are in my neighborhood that have been out

883
00:51:02,120 --> 00:51:04,560
Speaker 2: thirty five years, that crush it. And let me tell

884
00:51:04,560 --> 00:51:08,840
Speaker 2: you something. Of all the things that matter, years matter most,

885
00:51:09,800 --> 00:51:13,160
Speaker 2: everything matters, nothing comes close to how many years you've

886
00:51:13,160 --> 00:51:16,880
Speaker 2: been in practice. Because this is a apprenticeship, this is

887
00:51:17,000 --> 00:51:19,200
Speaker 2: every day. I did three thousand of these, and I

888
00:51:19,280 --> 00:51:21,840
Speaker 2: figured out that this little nuance is I've done twelve.

889
00:51:22,880 --> 00:51:25,400
Speaker 2: It just it doesn't mean that that's the only marker.

890
00:51:25,600 --> 00:51:28,040
Speaker 2: Doesn't mean but it is by far the biggest marker.

891
00:51:28,320 --> 00:51:31,600
Speaker 2: So older guys don't engage in this shit. So a

892
00:51:31,600 --> 00:51:33,960
Speaker 2: young guy graduated two years out, he's crushing it on

893
00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:38,040
Speaker 2: social media. He's the number one TikTok guy. What does

894
00:51:38,080 --> 00:51:41,320
Speaker 2: it even mean? Right, it's got a great social media presence,

895
00:51:41,320 --> 00:51:43,920
Speaker 2: his manager's killing it. What does that have to do

896
00:51:43,960 --> 00:51:46,040
Speaker 2: with your facelift? What does that have to do with

897
00:51:46,080 --> 00:51:51,640
Speaker 2: your nose job? Right? Nothing? So it is it's treacherous.

898
00:51:52,160 --> 00:51:55,400
Speaker 2: You need to take take a moment of pause and

899
00:51:55,440 --> 00:51:58,839
Speaker 2: take your time. It's funny people take so much time

900
00:51:58,880 --> 00:52:01,960
Speaker 2: to buy a car. Oh my god, I test drove

901
00:52:02,000 --> 00:52:03,640
Speaker 2: eight of them, and then I went to the dealership

902
00:52:03,640 --> 00:52:05,399
Speaker 2: and then you're like, how did you pick this guy?

903
00:52:05,440 --> 00:52:06,759
Speaker 2: I don't know. My friend went there and I really

904
00:52:06,800 --> 00:52:08,840
Speaker 2: liked his social media. That was how you picked your plastics.

905
00:52:09,480 --> 00:52:10,840
Speaker 1: But that is what's happening.

906
00:52:11,600 --> 00:52:14,120
Speaker 2: But that's because people don't want to carry the burden.

907
00:52:14,160 --> 00:52:16,279
Speaker 2: They don't want to do the home and they will

908
00:52:16,320 --> 00:52:21,920
Speaker 2: suffer the consequences. If they're lucky and it works out, bravo.

909
00:52:22,320 --> 00:52:25,440
Speaker 2: But if they're unlucky. The unlucky side of plastic surgery,

910
00:52:25,440 --> 00:52:28,279
Speaker 2: because it's half of my practice now is revisional is

911
00:52:28,400 --> 00:52:34,640
Speaker 2: very ugly. It's very ugly, money time, energy scars. You

912
00:52:34,680 --> 00:52:38,120
Speaker 2: went from being certain level of confidence doing a procedure

913
00:52:38,160 --> 00:52:41,200
Speaker 2: that's supposed to elevate you, and now you're more insecure

914
00:52:41,200 --> 00:52:43,920
Speaker 2: than you've ever been before. You're financially strapped. It's now

915
00:52:43,960 --> 00:52:48,400
Speaker 2: occupied so much of your bandwidth. So, as I said,

916
00:52:48,480 --> 00:52:51,480
Speaker 2: like everything, guns are amazing when they defend you, and

917
00:52:51,520 --> 00:52:54,600
Speaker 2: they're horrible when they kill someone. It's just a double

918
00:52:54,719 --> 00:52:58,920
Speaker 2: ed sword and there's just no escaping it. You just

919
00:52:59,000 --> 00:53:00,000
Speaker 2: have to do your homework.

920
00:53:00,560 --> 00:53:02,799
Speaker 1: I could actually talk to you all day, and because

921
00:53:02,840 --> 00:53:05,160
Speaker 1: there's so many questions about this because I think that

922
00:53:05,280 --> 00:53:08,640
Speaker 1: you're one of the only people that I've experienced speaking

923
00:53:08,680 --> 00:53:12,120
Speaker 1: openly and honestly, and that's what we would want in

924
00:53:12,160 --> 00:53:15,600
Speaker 1: this conversation because it is a big decision. So if

925
00:53:15,600 --> 00:53:18,000
Speaker 1: you guys are listening and you're like loving all these tips,

926
00:53:18,239 --> 00:53:21,480
Speaker 1: go listen to the podcast. It's called Plastic Surgery Uncensored.

927
00:53:22,000 --> 00:53:25,359
Speaker 1: I listened to one. It was about twenty twenty six

928
00:53:25,480 --> 00:53:28,239
Speaker 1: trends Today that I thought was super helpful. But it

929
00:53:28,280 --> 00:53:30,560
Speaker 1: covers a wide range of topics. So can you tell

930
00:53:30,560 --> 00:53:32,440
Speaker 1: the listeners a little more about the podcast?

931
00:53:32,640 --> 00:53:34,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, of course, So you know, you know, I have

932
00:53:34,680 --> 00:53:37,719
Speaker 2: a vast amount of experience. I really love educating. I

933
00:53:37,760 --> 00:53:40,840
Speaker 2: love the art of explaining and demystifying things. It's just

934
00:53:40,880 --> 00:53:43,600
Speaker 2: something I enjoy. So many years ago and now seven

935
00:53:43,640 --> 00:53:46,680
Speaker 2: years ago actually before the real boom of podcasts, we

936
00:53:46,719 --> 00:53:48,640
Speaker 2: put together the show, and the goal was for me

937
00:53:48,719 --> 00:53:52,080
Speaker 2: to get a larger megaphone and to start sharing information

938
00:53:52,120 --> 00:53:54,400
Speaker 2: that I think would be valuable. Obviously I do it daily,

939
00:53:54,440 --> 00:53:56,920
Speaker 2: but you can only read so many people, and the

940
00:53:56,960 --> 00:53:59,680
Speaker 2: goal of the show is just to educate be transparent.

941
00:54:00,200 --> 00:54:03,480
Speaker 2: Guests there are amazing I have had the honor of

942
00:54:03,520 --> 00:54:06,120
Speaker 2: taking care of thousands of patients, and many of them

943
00:54:06,160 --> 00:54:08,839
Speaker 2: have blessed me by coming on the show, sharing their

944
00:54:08,840 --> 00:54:12,520
Speaker 2: most vulnerable stories, crying on the show, talking about why

945
00:54:12,560 --> 00:54:15,440
Speaker 2: they did what they did, how their husbands and wives reacted.

946
00:54:15,760 --> 00:54:18,279
Speaker 2: We've had catastrophes on the show where patients have had

947
00:54:18,320 --> 00:54:22,800
Speaker 2: to redo things and revisions, and so we have patient journeys,

948
00:54:22,880 --> 00:54:25,840
Speaker 2: we have experts. I bring in people that I vetted

949
00:54:25,920 --> 00:54:29,759
Speaker 2: and I trust, right my anesthesiologists. So many people are

950
00:54:29,760 --> 00:54:33,680
Speaker 2: afraid of anesthesia. We have many episodes on anesthesia, and

951
00:54:33,719 --> 00:54:36,879
Speaker 2: then we try to tackle whatever is relevant. It could

952
00:54:36,880 --> 00:54:40,080
Speaker 2: be celebrityism, it could be fads, it can be small things,

953
00:54:40,200 --> 00:54:43,600
Speaker 2: large things. We want to cover as you do everything

954
00:54:43,640 --> 00:54:46,880
Speaker 2: in the plastic surgery space from A to Z, and

955
00:54:47,520 --> 00:54:49,480
Speaker 2: do it in a way that's going to be informative,

956
00:54:49,800 --> 00:54:54,279
Speaker 2: perhaps entertaining, but mostly educational. And yeah, I mean it's

957
00:54:54,320 --> 00:54:56,320
Speaker 2: been very effective. I find that a lot of people

958
00:54:56,320 --> 00:54:58,840
Speaker 2: reach out to me, and while they don't come to me,

959
00:54:58,920 --> 00:55:01,000
Speaker 2: which is the main purpose. This is not oh my god,

960
00:55:01,000 --> 00:55:04,359
Speaker 2: I'm the best doctor. Rabond walks on water. No no, no, no,

961
00:55:04,400 --> 00:55:07,160
Speaker 2: that's not what the purpose of this is. The purpose

962
00:55:07,160 --> 00:55:08,759
Speaker 2: of this is for you to get the information that

963
00:55:08,840 --> 00:55:11,560
Speaker 2: allows you to decide. Wow, I found this amazing surgeon

964
00:55:11,560 --> 00:55:14,839
Speaker 2: in Seattle. Yeah, and I've had hundreds of people reach

965
00:55:14,880 --> 00:55:16,680
Speaker 2: out to me after the fact and say, God bless you,

966
00:55:16,719 --> 00:55:18,880
Speaker 2: doctor Rman. I was going to go and do surgery

967
00:55:18,920 --> 00:55:20,959
Speaker 2: with this guy in Arizona, and then I realized after

968
00:55:21,000 --> 00:55:23,280
Speaker 2: talking listening to a few of your episodes on breastog

969
00:55:23,360 --> 00:55:25,880
Speaker 2: or tummy tuck or not rhinoplastic, I mean, and I

970
00:55:27,280 --> 00:55:30,759
Speaker 2: am unusual and I do everything. Yeah, well, you know

971
00:55:30,800 --> 00:55:34,759
Speaker 2: what's your specialty, plastic surgery. You know, Okay, you're an

972
00:55:34,800 --> 00:55:38,160
Speaker 2: amazing chef, so you only make pasta? Yeah, I only

973
00:55:38,200 --> 00:55:41,239
Speaker 2: make pasta. So obviously I do everything because I love it.

974
00:55:41,640 --> 00:55:43,920
Speaker 2: And so we have a vast we cover a lot

975
00:55:43,960 --> 00:55:46,440
Speaker 2: of vast topics, and I've had patients tell me that

976
00:55:46,680 --> 00:55:49,840
Speaker 2: because of our podcast, they were able to navigate better

977
00:55:49,880 --> 00:55:52,360
Speaker 2: and they selected an amazing surgeon, which makes me happy.

978
00:55:53,080 --> 00:55:55,399
Speaker 2: It's been a you know, a passion project, and I've

979
00:55:55,440 --> 00:55:57,440
Speaker 2: done it and I've really enjoyed it, and I'm I'm

980
00:55:57,560 --> 00:55:59,640
Speaker 2: grateful because a lot of times we've reached out to

981
00:55:59,680 --> 00:56:01,920
Speaker 2: people like yourself to be on their show and they

982
00:56:01,920 --> 00:56:07,120
Speaker 2: shoot us down. Is shot down because they immediately assume

983
00:56:07,200 --> 00:56:10,120
Speaker 2: it's going to be about tits an ass and salacious,

984
00:56:10,200 --> 00:56:12,839
Speaker 2: and they don't want to get behind plastic surgery, right,

985
00:56:12,880 --> 00:56:15,440
Speaker 2: They don't want to get canceled. They don't want to

986
00:56:15,440 --> 00:56:17,440
Speaker 2: bring up the subject matter because they're afraid that if

987
00:56:17,440 --> 00:56:19,800
Speaker 2: they bring it on, it's taboo. And they don't realize

988
00:56:19,840 --> 00:56:22,120
Speaker 2: that this is going to be an exact one eighty dialogue.

989
00:56:23,400 --> 00:56:26,360
Speaker 2: They just don't anticipate that this is going to be Wow,

990
00:56:26,680 --> 00:56:28,640
Speaker 2: this was helpful. They think we're going to get on

991
00:56:28,680 --> 00:56:31,800
Speaker 2: and talk about, you know, stuff that we both cringe

992
00:56:31,840 --> 00:56:34,759
Speaker 2: a you know what I mean, And so I appreciate it,

993
00:56:34,800 --> 00:56:37,280
Speaker 2: and I applaud you because I do think the information

994
00:56:37,400 --> 00:56:39,680
Speaker 2: we share today is valuable. And I do think that

995
00:56:39,800 --> 00:56:42,759
Speaker 2: whoever's on your listening to your show, I promise you,

996
00:56:43,360 --> 00:56:47,440
Speaker 2: I promise you, they have had or will have some

997
00:56:47,520 --> 00:56:48,400
Speaker 2: plastic surgery.

998
00:56:48,600 --> 00:56:49,719
Speaker 1: I believe it just a.

999
00:56:49,760 --> 00:56:56,920
Speaker 2: Reality and maybe not everyone, but some. And I'm I'm

1000
00:56:56,920 --> 00:56:58,840
Speaker 2: a believer that this information is valuable.

1001
00:56:59,640 --> 00:57:03,080
Speaker 1: Totally agree. And also because there's so much information, I

1002
00:57:03,080 --> 00:57:05,840
Speaker 1: think it's so important for the truly informed to be

1003
00:57:05,880 --> 00:57:08,319
Speaker 1: speaking out like you are. So thank you for doing that.

1004
00:57:08,880 --> 00:57:10,920
Speaker 1: Thank you for being here with us. I'm going to

1005
00:57:10,960 --> 00:57:14,040
Speaker 1: put a link for the podcast in the description of

1006
00:57:14,080 --> 00:57:16,720
Speaker 1: this podcast for you guys and go check it out.

1007
00:57:16,800 --> 00:57:18,400
Speaker 1: I think there's so much to learn, so we really

1008
00:57:18,440 --> 00:57:20,560
Speaker 1: appreciate you being here. I know you have to get

1009
00:57:20,600 --> 00:57:22,480
Speaker 1: to surgery, so I don't want to keep you any longer, so.

1010
00:57:22,520 --> 00:57:27,680
Speaker 2: I'll just sitting there. She's in good hands.

1011
00:57:28,960 --> 00:57:31,440
Speaker 1: It was so nice to me. Thank you so much.