WEBVTT - Oops All Chatter! Part 2 0:00:10.090 --> 0:00:11.090 Welcome to Pod Meets World. 0:00:11.150 --> 0:00:13.720 I'm Danielle Fischel. I'm Ryder Strong. And I'm Will Friedle. 0:00:15.020 --> 0:00:19.230 We are here for our ever-rotating list of episodes that 0:00:19.250 --> 0:00:19.670 we do. 0:00:20.110 --> 0:00:22.530 We are here for our all-show chatter episode. 0:00:22.790 --> 0:00:24.470 Oops, all berries, baby. 0:00:24.610 --> 0:00:25.930 Yeah. 0:00:26.450 --> 0:00:30.010 It's the episode where we get to really showcase our 0:00:30.030 --> 0:00:33.480 30-year friendship's ability to just enjoy each other's company and 0:00:34.060 --> 0:00:36.040 endlessly talk about utter nonsense. 0:00:36.640 --> 0:00:38.260 Utter nonsense, yes. 0:00:39.080 --> 0:00:40.720 Welcome to Pod Meets World. I'm Danielle Fishel. 0:00:40.760 --> 0:00:41.360 I'm Ryder Strom. 0:00:41.380 --> 0:00:42.100 And I'm Will Friedle. 0:00:43.580 --> 0:00:44.560 I have a, I've. 0:00:44.520 --> 0:00:48.320 Entered a new era of parenting that Ryder will be 0:00:48.360 --> 0:00:50.280 able to help me with. 0:00:51.560 --> 0:00:54.320 Adler, for the first time ever. 0:00:54.980 --> 0:00:55.640 Started smoking. 0:00:57.140 --> 0:00:58.660 He is seven. He's seven. 0:00:58.880 --> 0:01:00.160 But only a year. 0:01:00.220 --> 0:01:02.840 He's getting close. 0:01:04.280 --> 0:01:09.170 No, he said the F word. Absolutely. 0:01:09.209 --> 0:01:09.830 He's seven? 0:01:10.410 --> 0:01:15.120 He's seven. He said it as if he's been saying it. 0:01:15.100 --> 0:01:16.660 His whole life. 0:01:16.680 --> 0:01:18.600 I think that's when Indy started saying it. Yeah, I 0:01:18.600 --> 0:01:19.280 think seven was about it. 0:01:19.360 --> 0:01:20.560 How did you respond? 0:01:21.459 --> 0:01:24.660 Well, first of all, it was a little embarrassing because 0:01:24.860 --> 0:01:28.720 it wasn't just with us. We were with other people, 0:01:28.920 --> 0:01:30.850 including another young. 0:01:30.690 --> 0:01:32.170 Person, a child. 0:01:32.410 --> 0:01:34.030 Was it by itself? Like, oh. 0:01:34.610 --> 0:01:36.470 Oh, F, when he made a mistake. 0:01:36.490 --> 0:01:36.569 Yeah. 0:01:37.430 --> 0:01:42.210 And we don't even say it. 0:01:42.350 --> 0:01:44.100 He's never heard us say it. 0:01:44.250 --> 0:01:46.340 I will say it in moments where I think it's 0:01:46.360 --> 0:01:48.960 going to get a good laugh or if I'm really 0:01:49.040 --> 0:01:52.780 upset about something. But in front of our kids, we 0:01:52.820 --> 0:01:55.500 do not do it. We've never said it. He's never 0:01:55.540 --> 0:01:56.100 heard us say it. 0:01:56.100 --> 0:01:56.620 I swear so much. 0:01:56.900 --> 0:01:57.700 Yeah, you're like a sailor. 0:01:57.800 --> 0:01:57.980 Yeah. 0:01:58.380 --> 0:02:00.890 And so it was like Indy just took it up 0:02:01.170 --> 0:02:01.890 like a pro. 0:02:02.350 --> 0:02:03.540 I love it. I love it. 0:02:03.550 --> 0:02:05.770 He's so good at it. He's so good at swearing. 0:02:05.790 --> 0:02:06.950 It's great. 0:02:07.030 --> 0:02:08.930 No, I mean, like, yeah, I don't know how you 0:02:08.950 --> 0:02:10.490 dealt with it. But, like, our whole thing is, like, 0:02:12.120 --> 0:02:14.460 when we started reacting, when people started reacting, it only 0:02:14.480 --> 0:02:17.560 got worse. Right. So then it was just like, yeah, 0:02:17.600 --> 0:02:19.020 you can do this as much as you want around 0:02:19.120 --> 0:02:21.220 us because we don't care. We're not going to police 0:02:21.240 --> 0:02:24.260 your language. But, you know, you can't do it in 0:02:24.300 --> 0:02:25.780 front of other adults. You can't do it in front 0:02:25.810 --> 0:02:26.290 of other kids. 0:02:26.310 --> 0:02:29.049 We were raised way differently. We got soap in the mouth. 0:02:29.490 --> 0:02:32.610 We got a bar of soap. That's ridiculous. 0:02:32.630 --> 0:02:33.610 How many bars of soap did you get? 0:02:33.650 --> 0:02:34.470 I was never a swearer. 0:02:34.530 --> 0:02:37.390 My brother, Greg, would have ivory soap in his mouth 0:02:37.490 --> 0:02:39.809 once a week at least. Oh, yeah, yeah. 0:02:39.870 --> 0:02:40.890 No, swearing was not tolerable. 0:02:40.910 --> 0:02:42.290 But did you ever get soap in the mouth? Not 0:02:42.400 --> 0:02:44.160 necessarily even for swearing. Did you get soap in the mouth? 0:02:44.180 --> 0:02:45.400 Because I had it once. I don't recall. 0:02:45.460 --> 0:02:46.320 Maybe once. 0:02:46.440 --> 0:02:47.799 But yeah, we were never like. 0:02:49.560 --> 0:02:50.900 Actively discouraged from swearing. 0:02:50.919 --> 0:02:53.440 Why not just electric shock? Why not just, like, zap 0:02:53.460 --> 0:02:54.020 your child? 0:02:54.040 --> 0:02:56.620 There's slightly a difference between electric shocking and giving someone 0:02:56.639 --> 0:02:57.260 soap in the mouth. 0:02:57.370 --> 0:02:59.950 It doesn't work, is what I'm saying. Like, does it work? 0:03:00.550 --> 0:03:01.690 I didn't swear around. 0:03:01.510 --> 0:03:03.290 My parents anymore, I can tell you that. 0:03:03.550 --> 0:03:04.830 But Greg swore every week. 0:03:05.610 --> 0:03:07.910 Right, but Greg also did it because Greg was a 0:03:07.930 --> 0:03:10.460 little asshole. And he's the first one to tell you that. 0:03:10.480 --> 0:03:12.899 Get me the bar of soap, I need some ivory. 0:03:12.919 --> 0:03:14.160 Can we get some soap for Will's mouth? 0:03:14.180 --> 0:03:14.579 I need some ivory. 0:03:14.600 --> 0:03:17.560 Sponsored by ivory. Um, yeah, no, it was that. So that's, 0:03:17.660 --> 0:03:19.660 we had the soap in the mouth. Yeah, absolutely. Hell yes. 0:03:19.740 --> 0:03:21.420 How did you now, how you didn't say, how did 0:03:21.440 --> 0:03:21.960 you respond? 0:03:22.000 --> 0:03:26.230 So Jensen and I were both there and we, Adler 0:03:26.250 --> 0:03:28.389 was to my right. Jensen was to my left and 0:03:28.430 --> 0:03:32.810 he went, Oh F. And we went, Oh, and Jensen 0:03:32.830 --> 0:03:35.250 and I looked at each other. And then I looked 0:03:35.270 --> 0:03:38.050 at the other people I was with. And I said, 0:03:38.610 --> 0:03:43.470 he's never said that. And they were like, and I 0:03:43.470 --> 0:03:48.630 was like, yeah. And then you could tell Adler was like, 0:03:49.450 --> 0:03:52.110 he had that nervous energy around him. Like this is 0:03:52.150 --> 0:03:54.830 the first time I've ever, I've ever done that. 0:03:55.390 --> 0:03:58.530 And, and he could tell. And I just said, Oh wow. 0:03:58.910 --> 0:04:01.620 I've never heard you say that before. And he was like, 0:04:01.840 --> 0:04:02.200 Oh yeah. 0:04:02.240 --> 0:04:04.000 He's like, mom, look, I had, cause we were doing 0:04:04.020 --> 0:04:05.540 something with shaving cream. We had shaving cream all over 0:04:05.560 --> 0:04:05.740 his hands. 0:04:05.760 --> 0:04:07.080 I was like, why don't you go rinse that off? 0:04:07.100 --> 0:04:07.780 And he was like, okay. 0:04:08.160 --> 0:04:10.200 He went into the kitchen, kitchen, rinsed off his hands 0:04:10.260 --> 0:04:12.860 and then came back, but didn't go back to participating 0:04:12.900 --> 0:04:13.160 with us. 0:04:13.200 --> 0:04:14.700 Just kind of like, Am I in trouble? 0:04:14.800 --> 0:04:15.360 Am I in trouble? 0:04:30.830 --> 0:04:32.919 Was already like, oh man, I really just screwed up. 0:04:33.260 --> 0:04:36.419 So I immediately knew he was beating himself up and 0:04:36.480 --> 0:04:39.000 I didn't need to go hard on him. And so 0:04:39.020 --> 0:04:42.310 then when we left and he got immediately very close 0:04:42.350 --> 0:04:43.890 to me and he put his head into my stomach and. 0:04:43.850 --> 0:04:45.270 He was like, are you mad at me? 0:04:45.910 --> 0:04:47.350 And I said, I'm not mad at you, but I'm 0:04:47.390 --> 0:04:50.590 just I'm I'm a little confused. I'm a little confused 0:04:50.610 --> 0:04:52.890 because I don't know. I don't know where you heard that. 0:04:53.500 --> 0:04:56.160 So I'm just like, where, you know, where did you 0:04:56.180 --> 0:04:58.180 hear it? And he was like, I don't want to 0:04:58.220 --> 0:04:59.859 talk about it. And I said, OK, I say we 0:04:59.880 --> 0:05:01.280 don't have to talk about it right now. I said, 0:05:01.320 --> 0:05:03.020 but at some point I do want to just kind 0:05:03.060 --> 0:05:05.620 of have a general idea of because your dad and 0:05:05.640 --> 0:05:05.980 I don't. 0:05:05.900 --> 0:05:06.479 Talk like that. 0:05:06.980 --> 0:05:10.420 And so I'm just kind of curious, like we also 0:05:10.460 --> 0:05:12.880 don't really let him watch things where they talk like 0:05:12.930 --> 0:05:13.460 that from Indy. 0:05:15.890 --> 0:05:17.690 And he showed up at the school one day and went, hey, 0:05:17.710 --> 0:05:19.700 what the fuck is up, bro? And that was it. 0:05:19.870 --> 0:05:23.360 And so then Adler, when we got home, he ended 0:05:23.440 --> 0:05:25.039 up saying, okay, I'm ready to talk about it now. 0:05:25.100 --> 0:05:26.960 And he said, yeah. He said, I learned it at school. 0:05:27.040 --> 0:05:30.240 He plays soccer every lunch with the fifth graders. 0:05:30.980 --> 0:05:34.360 And, you know, they're running around and kicking balls. And yeah, 0:05:34.420 --> 0:05:37.039 fifth graders are really kicking each other. Well, my kids 0:05:37.060 --> 0:05:40.450 do that. My kids are doing that in the house. 0:05:40.930 --> 0:05:43.370 But the fifth graders, I'm sure, are running around and saying. 0:05:43.550 --> 0:05:46.589 Oh, we're always swearing at that. I mean, by that age, seven, 0:05:46.750 --> 0:05:48.810 eight years old. I mean, we were swearing and running 0:05:48.830 --> 0:05:50.550 around and saying stuff we shouldn't have said and learning 0:05:50.570 --> 0:05:51.270 about sex. 0:05:51.350 --> 0:05:53.349 And, you know, you're talking about your with your friends 0:05:53.390 --> 0:05:53.770 for all that. 0:05:53.790 --> 0:05:55.980 You shouldn't have. I'd say like that. 0:05:56.000 --> 0:05:58.440 Like if you police it too much, that just becomes 0:05:58.560 --> 0:05:59.680 it becomes more powerful. 0:05:59.740 --> 0:06:00.339 You know, like. 0:06:00.560 --> 0:06:02.539 Yeah. I guess it's also a generational thing. When we 0:06:02.560 --> 0:06:04.520 were kids, we were just, you were told not to swear. 0:06:04.540 --> 0:06:05.440 I mean, it was, you. 0:06:05.420 --> 0:06:08.520 Didn't have the idea of like, you didn't go to 0:06:08.540 --> 0:06:11.000 a house and like, I don't think I'd had one 0:06:11.080 --> 0:06:13.230 single one of my friends in the late seventies, early 0:06:13.270 --> 0:06:14.650 eighties that were like, yeah, my parents let me swear 0:06:14.670 --> 0:06:16.890 at home. Like it was just, it was bad language. 0:06:17.029 --> 0:06:18.150 You just didn't, you didn't swear. 0:06:18.210 --> 0:06:20.470 You also didn't have any parents who you didn't call 0:06:20.550 --> 0:06:23.350 any of your parents by their first name and your 0:06:23.390 --> 0:06:23.930 friend's parents. 0:06:24.170 --> 0:06:26.180 Like I, I, that's an East coast, West coast thing. 0:06:26.800 --> 0:06:29.060 Yeah. I also grew up in an era where I 0:06:29.080 --> 0:06:31.420 had friends who would call their parents by their first name. 0:06:31.620 --> 0:06:32.380 Oh, hell no. 0:06:32.440 --> 0:06:34.589 That became like a moment where people would be like, 0:06:34.610 --> 0:06:36.430 you know, Chris, I did it. 0:06:36.510 --> 0:06:39.670 Yeah. No, that's your mom. Yeah. No, it was always Mr. Mrs. 0:06:39.730 --> 0:06:42.600 or doctor or attorney or whatever. That's how we were. Yeah. 0:06:42.880 --> 0:06:43.060 It was. 0:06:43.380 --> 0:06:46.150 And that was everybody. That wasn't like a thing with 0:06:46.190 --> 0:06:48.260 my parents. That was everybody. It was like you called 0:06:48.300 --> 0:06:50.020 it Mr. and Mrs. You were very polite. 0:06:50.500 --> 0:06:52.300 Because again, one of the things you talk about with 0:06:52.339 --> 0:06:54.700 this generation that they'll never have to do, if you 0:06:54.740 --> 0:06:56.860 call one of your friends now, your friend answers the phone. 0:06:57.100 --> 0:06:58.660 I know. They'll never have to say. 0:06:58.680 --> 0:07:00.100 You first have to talk to the parents. 0:07:00.140 --> 0:07:04.860 Hi, is Mike there? That friction is so important. Because 0:07:04.900 --> 0:07:07.760 it's like how you bond together as a group. Families 0:07:07.839 --> 0:07:10.600 know who your friends are. You're a friend's family. I 0:07:11.080 --> 0:07:11.900 miss that. 0:07:11.980 --> 0:07:13.640 Susan and I have been talking a lot lately about 0:07:13.680 --> 0:07:17.000 getting a house phony. Like we miss like a house phone. 0:07:17.200 --> 0:07:20.670 I know, I actually, yes, I love that idea. They make, 0:07:20.810 --> 0:07:22.390 you know, for kids, like tin can phones. 0:07:22.410 --> 0:07:23.370 Yeah, we have one for kids. 0:07:23.470 --> 0:07:25.210 Do you? Yeah, he can call his grandparents, he can 0:07:25.230 --> 0:07:25.710 call his friends. 0:07:25.730 --> 0:07:27.210 That's awesome. 0:07:27.230 --> 0:07:29.510 He doesn't use it that much. Like, I mean, it's 0:07:29.570 --> 0:07:30.490 not going to be the same. 0:07:30.630 --> 0:07:31.370 Does he have a cell? 0:07:31.970 --> 0:07:32.110 No. 0:07:32.310 --> 0:07:32.950 Not great. 0:07:33.030 --> 0:07:35.670 No, like, I mean, we're at the age now, so 0:07:35.710 --> 0:07:39.810 he's 11. Everybody has Apple Watches. They all got Apple 0:07:39.870 --> 0:07:47.130 Watches as the gateway drug to the phone. And now 0:07:47.150 --> 0:07:50.270 at 11, everybody's starting, not everybody, but his friends are 0:07:50.300 --> 0:07:50.880 starting to get phones. 0:07:50.890 --> 0:07:52.220 Because they're in middle school. 0:07:52.800 --> 0:07:56.060 And we are, I'm holding to the line. I'm holding 0:07:56.400 --> 0:07:56.700 to 16. 0:07:56.700 --> 0:07:57.880 That's what I said too. 0:07:58.240 --> 0:08:00.980 I know I'm gonna cave, but I'm fighting as much 0:08:01.020 --> 0:08:01.540 as I can. 0:08:01.960 --> 0:08:04.309 I mean, I think if you cave, cave at 15. 0:08:04.310 --> 0:08:04.630 Whatever. 0:08:04.770 --> 0:08:06.750 I'm holding a slot. You know, I'm going to cave 0:08:06.770 --> 0:08:09.360 until like my wife threatens to leave me basically. Like 0:08:09.500 --> 0:08:12.700 I'm sort of like, you know, basically until he's driving, 0:08:12.720 --> 0:08:13.000 I don't. 0:08:12.900 --> 0:08:13.660 Want him to have a phone. 0:08:13.800 --> 0:08:15.010 That's exactly what I told him. 0:08:15.020 --> 0:08:16.750 Literally on his own somewhere. 0:08:16.770 --> 0:08:18.430 You know, I think he'll want to drive. 0:08:19.050 --> 0:08:21.600 I hear this whole generation is like 18, 19 goes by, 0:08:21.640 --> 0:08:23.180 and then they're like, because they have Uber, they have 0:08:23.220 --> 0:08:23.720 everything else. 0:08:23.800 --> 0:08:25.700 Is it coming back now where they're driving again? 0:08:25.920 --> 0:08:27.140 I think people want to drive again. 0:08:27.280 --> 0:08:27.600 I don't know. 0:08:27.640 --> 0:08:30.240 That's been my experience. Most of my friends with kids 0:08:30.260 --> 0:08:31.460 in high school, they're like, can't wait to drive. 0:08:31.520 --> 0:08:32.780 It was such a rite of passage. 0:08:33.260 --> 0:08:33.850 I mean, yeah. 0:08:33.950 --> 0:08:36.830 The day of my 16th birthday, I got my license. 0:08:37.030 --> 0:08:39.670 I think, I mean, Adler's been talking about when he 0:08:39.710 --> 0:08:42.430 gets to drive and what he wants to drive since 0:08:42.490 --> 0:08:43.110 he was little. 0:08:43.250 --> 0:08:43.990 Like, he can't wait. 0:08:44.010 --> 0:08:44.810 He seems like a muscle car. 0:08:45.420 --> 0:08:47.020 He actually, we went to San. 0:08:46.880 --> 0:08:50.180 Francisco to go visit my cousin and they let us 0:08:50.260 --> 0:08:52.350 borrow their Toyota 4Runner. 0:08:52.370 --> 0:08:56.350 And you know, your girl had a Toyota 4Runner. 0:08:56.830 --> 0:08:59.309 And Adler was like, you did? You had one of these? 0:08:59.370 --> 0:09:01.240 And I was like, yes. And it was so cool. 0:09:01.260 --> 0:09:02.680 Did you tell him you crashed it? 0:09:02.860 --> 0:09:02.980 Yeah. 0:09:03.840 --> 0:09:05.700 I was like, he's like, I want one of these. 0:09:05.740 --> 0:09:06.699 And I was like, yeah, you do. 0:09:06.760 --> 0:09:07.440 I still have one. 0:09:07.520 --> 0:09:08.420 I know. 0:09:08.440 --> 0:09:08.959 They're great. 0:09:08.980 --> 0:09:09.580 I love it so much. 0:09:09.600 --> 0:09:11.220 Yeah, they're great. Okay. 0:09:11.300 --> 0:09:11.760 Yeah. 0:09:11.780 --> 0:09:11.959 Good. 0:09:12.000 --> 0:09:14.979 I'm glad that kids are driving again. Like, drive. It 0:09:15.020 --> 0:09:15.580 was so. 0:09:15.900 --> 0:09:18.220 I mean, just in time for, you know, automated driving. 0:09:18.580 --> 0:09:18.920 Yeah, right. 0:09:19.000 --> 0:09:20.020 You actually have to. 0:09:20.040 --> 0:09:20.990 That scares the hell out of me. 0:09:21.100 --> 0:09:21.940 It's so much safer. 0:09:22.000 --> 0:09:23.120 I know. Like, that's the thing. 0:09:23.240 --> 0:09:24.140 It's like, I don't mind. 0:09:24.200 --> 0:09:27.260 The idea of him driving versus him using... Like, if 0:09:27.300 --> 0:09:28.870 he can get a car that will drive for him, 0:09:28.970 --> 0:09:29.550 I'd rather he do. 0:09:30.020 --> 0:09:30.500 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 0:09:30.520 --> 0:09:31.100 I'm like, fine. 0:09:31.400 --> 0:09:31.839 I know. 0:09:31.940 --> 0:09:32.380 It is so weird. 0:09:32.400 --> 0:09:34.120 Gotta learn how to shift. 0:09:34.330 --> 0:09:35.000 Gotta learn how to shift. 0:09:35.400 --> 0:09:36.210 Gotta learn how to shift. 0:09:36.250 --> 0:09:36.850 I don't know how to shift. 0:09:36.870 --> 0:09:37.890 You don't know how to shift? 0:09:37.950 --> 0:09:39.650 No, I don't know how to drive a manual. 0:09:39.790 --> 0:09:40.110 Really? 0:09:40.190 --> 0:09:40.410 No. 0:09:41.429 --> 0:09:43.609 But I always was like, no, Indy's gonna learn how 0:09:43.630 --> 0:09:45.569 to drive. But they actually literally don't make. 0:09:45.470 --> 0:09:46.010 Those cars anymore. 0:09:46.030 --> 0:09:47.790 You have to specifically ask for one. 0:09:47.929 --> 0:09:48.230 I know. 0:09:48.250 --> 0:09:50.490 But like, but I mean, I just like the idea 0:09:50.530 --> 0:09:52.490 that you can drive anything, right? Like the idea that 0:09:52.530 --> 0:09:54.829 you could, if you need to, in an emergency or 0:09:54.870 --> 0:09:57.610 in some situation, drive whatever. But I guess, you know, 0:09:57.630 --> 0:09:59.230 if it's never come up for you, maybe it's not 0:09:59.270 --> 0:09:59.590 a thing. 0:09:59.670 --> 0:10:01.400 Well, you mean when ai takes over the world and 0:10:01.470 --> 0:10:03.970 all the self-driving cars tried to kill you that's when 0:10:03.990 --> 0:10:06.290 you jump into a manual again thank you very much 0:10:06.510 --> 0:10:07.450 yeah yeah. 0:10:07.470 --> 0:10:09.830 Yeah you've got you're sitting in your Oh, no, you 0:10:09.850 --> 0:10:12.030 got rid of your, is the Celica you still have? 0:10:12.050 --> 0:10:14.170 Oh, I still have my Celica. It's a stick shift, 0:10:14.190 --> 0:10:14.510 heck yeah. 0:10:14.650 --> 0:10:17.460 I just noticed I have a neighbor on the street 0:10:17.500 --> 0:10:20.819 behind me has a bunch of cars. 0:10:20.860 --> 0:10:23.880 It's one of the houses with a bunch of rotting cars. 0:10:23.940 --> 0:10:26.980 I think there are two Celicas. I'll check. But I 0:10:27.020 --> 0:10:29.020 was like walking by, you know, I was like listening. 0:10:29.040 --> 0:10:29.760 So I didn't really like. 0:10:30.200 --> 0:10:31.500 Can you ask? I want to buy one. 0:10:31.520 --> 0:10:32.630 Would you really? 0:10:32.690 --> 0:10:33.150 I really would. 0:10:33.170 --> 0:10:34.929 They're like two. And I was like, I think this 0:10:34.970 --> 0:10:37.270 is the same. They're both red. I think they're the same. 0:10:37.130 --> 0:10:37.810 Color as yours. 0:10:37.890 --> 0:10:39.349 Is one of them a convertible? 0:10:39.510 --> 0:10:39.990 I don't know. 0:10:40.210 --> 0:10:41.870 I was just like, I think those are Celicas. 0:10:41.990 --> 0:10:43.189 I should check. I should definitely check. 0:10:43.610 --> 0:10:47.239 The engine's been rebuilt twice. There's like 3,500 miles on 0:10:47.260 --> 0:10:47.760 the new engine. 0:10:47.840 --> 0:10:49.240 Is it at your parents' house? 0:10:49.340 --> 0:10:51.199 It's back in Connecticut. It's stored back in Connecticut. I 0:10:51.200 --> 0:10:53.579 just have no place to put it here. I literally 0:10:53.600 --> 0:10:54.859 have no place to keep it. 0:10:54.860 --> 0:10:55.840 If I had a place to keep it, I would 0:10:55.880 --> 0:10:57.660 have three other cars if I had a place to 0:10:57.679 --> 0:10:58.160 keep it out here. 0:10:58.179 --> 0:10:59.560 I just don't have a place to keep anything. 0:10:59.800 --> 0:11:01.199 Well, I'd like to buy it from you. 0:11:01.220 --> 0:11:01.860 No. 0:11:02.000 --> 0:11:02.810 Okay, turn it. 0:11:02.830 --> 0:11:03.900 It's my first. Never. 0:11:04.150 --> 0:11:06.050 Never? Even though it's just with me? 0:11:06.110 --> 0:11:06.630 It's gorgeous. 0:11:06.790 --> 0:11:07.069 I know. 0:11:07.770 --> 0:11:11.150 So your response to Adler is going to be, you 0:11:11.190 --> 0:11:12.090 just can't say this. 0:11:12.290 --> 0:11:12.650 No, no. 0:11:12.730 --> 0:11:14.330 It wasn't that I said, you just can't say this. 0:11:14.550 --> 0:11:18.809 I did tell him that, you know, it is, we, 0:11:19.429 --> 0:11:22.090 we were, we had just mentioned that somebody else, something 0:11:22.110 --> 0:11:22.890 that we thought that they. 0:11:22.809 --> 0:11:24.810 Had done, that it was tacky. And he was like, 0:11:24.830 --> 0:11:25.530 what's tacky? 0:11:26.210 --> 0:11:27.920 And so I had just explained to him what my 0:11:27.960 --> 0:11:31.440 definition of the word tacky was. And I said, there 0:11:31.540 --> 0:11:36.330 are some people who will be bothered by you saying 0:11:36.370 --> 0:11:36.870 that word. 0:11:36.890 --> 0:11:37.210 Right. 0:11:37.710 --> 0:11:41.530 And so it is, Tacky to think that just because 0:11:41.570 --> 0:11:45.329 whatever you think, whatever you feel and whatever you want 0:11:45.350 --> 0:11:47.650 to do at any point in time is totally fine, 0:11:47.790 --> 0:11:48.410 no matter. 0:11:48.230 --> 0:11:49.530 What the circumstances are. 0:11:49.850 --> 0:11:54.000 That is tacky to not think about other people in situations. 0:11:54.559 --> 0:11:55.660 I find it tacky. 0:11:56.050 --> 0:11:59.689 To play or have a speakerphone conversation on a plane. 0:12:00.270 --> 0:12:02.809 And we were on a plane where someone in front 0:12:02.850 --> 0:12:05.270 of us was yelling at someone they work with going 0:12:05.309 --> 0:12:09.250 through a contract. 15 minutes of us on the runway 0:12:09.330 --> 0:12:11.120 of them yelling at someone on the phone. And I 0:12:11.150 --> 0:12:14.840 wanted to be, I was like, this is tacky. And 0:12:14.920 --> 0:12:17.620 so that was kind of the perfect situation where I 0:12:17.660 --> 0:12:21.120 was like, We, it is not that the word is 0:12:21.260 --> 0:12:23.579 so bad or that you are bad for saying it 0:12:23.679 --> 0:12:25.980 or any of that, but there are, there is a 0:12:26.040 --> 0:12:27.819 time and a place for everything. 0:12:27.840 --> 0:12:27.980 Right. 0:12:28.400 --> 0:12:30.890 And you were in a situation with people you had 0:12:31.050 --> 0:12:33.910 just met and one of them was another kid and 0:12:33.950 --> 0:12:35.790 you had no reason to think that it was an 0:12:36.010 --> 0:12:38.370 acceptable place to blurt that word. 0:12:38.390 --> 0:12:39.230 Right. 0:12:39.610 --> 0:12:42.880 And so that, that was the conversation for me is that, 0:12:43.800 --> 0:12:44.120 you know. 0:12:44.140 --> 0:12:44.220 Yeah. 0:12:44.640 --> 0:12:48.180 Recognizing other people have different thoughts and feelings and you 0:12:48.200 --> 0:12:50.079 have to take those into consideration as part of being 0:12:50.120 --> 0:12:51.000 a good member of society. 0:12:51.040 --> 0:12:53.120 And I think that like kids are really adept at 0:12:53.720 --> 0:12:54.300 code switching. 0:12:54.620 --> 0:12:54.900 Yeah. 0:12:55.000 --> 0:12:57.510 Pretty quickly. You know, like I would say by like nine. 0:12:57.929 --> 0:12:58.150 Right. 0:12:58.330 --> 0:12:59.929 Like they kind of figure it out. 0:12:59.950 --> 0:13:02.070 They know because they know they don't talk to their 0:13:02.090 --> 0:13:04.050 grandparents the same way they talk to their parents. 0:13:04.290 --> 0:13:05.270 They don't talk to the teachers. 0:13:05.470 --> 0:13:05.610 Yeah. 0:13:05.890 --> 0:13:07.170 But like seven is like when. 0:13:07.070 --> 0:13:10.359 Those barriers first start. be informed and understood and, like, 0:13:10.620 --> 0:13:11.200 how to switch. 0:13:11.580 --> 0:13:13.240 So I feel like Indy went through a phase where 0:13:13.260 --> 0:13:15.140 he was, like, really interested in swearing. 0:13:15.220 --> 0:13:15.360 Yeah. 0:13:15.380 --> 0:13:17.140 And we just kind of, like, let it peter out. 0:13:17.179 --> 0:13:19.500 Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like juggling. Yeah. Comes and goes. 0:13:20.830 --> 0:13:22.190 It's true. 0:13:22.630 --> 0:13:23.910 Everybody goes through a juggling phase. 0:13:23.970 --> 0:13:24.290 Come on. 0:13:24.309 --> 0:13:26.850 You wake up one morning, you got those sticks next 0:13:26.870 --> 0:13:27.010 to you. 0:13:27.030 --> 0:13:28.750 Shiloh got really good at juggling because he was always 0:13:28.809 --> 0:13:29.190 on set. 0:13:29.800 --> 0:13:33.120 See, on his set, because he was kind of the 0:13:33.260 --> 0:13:35.620 only teenager on his set, because he was on The 0:13:35.660 --> 0:13:37.589 Mommies while we were doing Boy Meets World. So he 0:13:37.610 --> 0:13:40.290 did two seasons of that show on NBC, and he 0:13:40.330 --> 0:13:43.390 was 16, I want to say, and all. 0:13:43.290 --> 0:13:45.210 The other kids were like 10 or under. So he 0:13:45.230 --> 0:13:47.729 was by himself. He was out of school already, so... Yeah, 0:13:47.770 --> 0:13:48.950 that's when he learned. 0:13:48.809 --> 0:13:49.230 How to juggle. 0:13:49.390 --> 0:13:52.069 Talk about a gateway jug. That's what I mean. It 0:13:52.110 --> 0:13:54.150 leads to the unicycling. Next thing you know, you're walking 0:13:54.190 --> 0:13:54.870 against the wind. 0:13:54.970 --> 0:13:56.569 And you're a full theater kid. Yeah, exactly. 0:13:56.590 --> 0:13:57.690 You're a full theater kid. 0:13:57.750 --> 0:13:59.819 And you're doing mime. You're whiting up in the morning. 0:13:59.880 --> 0:14:02.860 Maybe you're becoming a magician like Adam. That's what I said. 0:14:03.000 --> 0:14:05.140 It's magic. God, it's crazy. 0:14:06.120 --> 0:14:07.980 Ryder, what are these things in front of you? 0:14:08.000 --> 0:14:09.020 Okay, I will tell you. 0:14:09.040 --> 0:14:14.240 I went into a bookstore the other day, and they 0:14:14.300 --> 0:14:19.450 had an entire wall of zines. which completely reignited my 0:14:19.490 --> 0:14:23.880 passion for zines, which I have, like every six months 0:14:23.930 --> 0:14:26.340 or so, I like stopping because there's one in my neighborhood, 0:14:26.380 --> 0:14:27.240 a bookstore in my neighborhood. 0:14:27.300 --> 0:14:29.180 Is this just a hip way of saying magazine and 0:14:29.200 --> 0:14:29.960 you're cutting out the first part? 0:14:29.980 --> 0:14:31.820 I cannot believe it because I brought this up over 0:14:31.900 --> 0:14:34.040 email and you guys, neither of you know what a 0:14:34.080 --> 0:14:34.359 zine is. 0:14:34.360 --> 0:14:35.860 I have no idea what a zine is. 0:14:36.020 --> 0:14:39.000 I also thought it's hip for magazine. 0:14:39.240 --> 0:14:41.479 Which basically it is. That's kind of what it is. 0:14:41.480 --> 0:14:42.080 I call them mags. 0:14:42.100 --> 0:14:44.820 But I, for some reason, I thought this was a 0:14:44.860 --> 0:14:46.680 total 90s thing. Turns out it goes. 0:14:47.190 --> 0:14:50.950 way back, like, 20s, 30s, but really, like, exploded in 0:14:50.990 --> 0:14:51.870 the 60s and 70s. 0:14:52.050 --> 0:14:53.500 Are they like a pulp comic? 0:14:53.740 --> 0:14:57.560 So, they can be. Basically, they're just a self-published magazine. 0:14:57.620 --> 0:15:01.660 The idea is that you just put together your own magazine. 0:15:02.020 --> 0:15:06.760 Mostly with, like, photocopying and, like, photos, sometimes color, sometimes 0:15:06.820 --> 0:15:08.859 black and white, but they have this like sort of 0:15:09.020 --> 0:15:12.340 underground cult status because the idea is that, you know, 0:15:12.360 --> 0:15:15.230 it's just self publishing. You can write whatever you want. Um, 0:15:15.590 --> 0:15:18.510 and maybe only make like a hundred copies, maybe like, 0:15:18.930 --> 0:15:20.270 thousand copies if you're really ambitious. 0:15:20.290 --> 0:15:22.490 So is Common Sense by Thomas Paine considered a zine 0:15:22.550 --> 0:15:23.430 from back in the day? 0:15:23.450 --> 0:15:24.150 Totally, exactly. 0:15:24.290 --> 0:15:25.090 There you go. 0:15:25.350 --> 0:15:25.729 There you go. 0:15:25.730 --> 0:15:27.270 Or Nature, Emerson's first. Yeah, okay. 0:15:27.580 --> 0:15:30.200 So yeah, basically, like the idea is that you just, 0:15:30.540 --> 0:15:32.290 so like what I wanted to do in the 90s, 0:15:32.280 --> 0:15:34.340 like I remember I went through an intense zine phase 0:15:34.360 --> 0:15:37.180 where I was going to start my own zine. And 0:15:37.320 --> 0:15:40.150 I wanted kind of... I forget what it was called. 0:15:40.170 --> 0:15:41.070 Of course you were. 0:15:41.350 --> 0:15:42.600 I forget what I was going to call it. 0:15:43.090 --> 0:15:44.790 I could never find. 0:15:44.650 --> 0:15:46.550 Anybody else to do it. If I had found somebody 0:15:46.610 --> 0:15:48.230 else who was into this with me, but I think 0:15:48.270 --> 0:15:50.050 the idea was that I was going to leave it 0:15:50.410 --> 0:15:54.280 on buses and like in public transportation. My idea was 0:15:54.300 --> 0:15:58.480 to self-distribute by just leaving, yeah, to leaving like poetry 0:15:58.960 --> 0:16:00.400 on like, but I didn't want it to just be 0:16:00.440 --> 0:16:03.440 my own writing, which kind of made it more like 0:16:03.540 --> 0:16:05.620 I wanted to like compile other people's stuff. 0:16:05.660 --> 0:16:06.110 I don't know. 0:16:06.680 --> 0:16:09.070 Most zines are just like one person or like one 0:16:09.150 --> 0:16:11.490 person and an artist if there's artwork. 0:16:12.350 --> 0:16:13.390 So I brought a selection. 0:16:13.810 --> 0:16:14.630 There are so many. 0:16:14.790 --> 0:16:14.990 Yeah. 0:16:15.010 --> 0:16:15.710 So take a look. 0:16:16.510 --> 0:16:17.900 Pick a card. Pick a zine. 0:16:17.960 --> 0:16:18.440 Any zine. 0:16:18.460 --> 0:16:19.620 Take a look. Sometimes. 0:16:19.720 --> 0:16:21.020 He's making you pick which one he wants. 0:16:21.060 --> 0:16:21.540 Where can I sing? 0:16:21.560 --> 0:16:23.000 Well, I want to talk about like a lot of 0:16:23.040 --> 0:16:25.600 times there's like they can be very political. So there's 0:16:25.620 --> 0:16:27.880 like manifesto ones. Like there's one in there that's all like. 0:16:28.300 --> 0:16:31.630 an ai screed and it's just i must die yeah 0:16:31.690 --> 0:16:33.210 i haven't read that one but i wanted to grab 0:16:33.290 --> 0:16:36.310 one that was like you yeah so that one will 0:16:36.330 --> 0:16:39.390 be like probably like there's a manifesto style right it's 0:16:39.410 --> 0:16:41.390 like an essay style which is more like you know 0:16:41.430 --> 0:16:43.750 common sense then there's stuff like this which i love 0:16:43.790 --> 0:16:46.700 like simple and cheap recipes for puppet making oh and 0:16:46.740 --> 0:16:50.900 it'll be like hand-drawn handwritten like how to do paper 0:16:50.920 --> 0:16:54.080 mache and how to do puppeteering and it's like some 0:16:54.140 --> 0:16:56.880 really good Like actual good advice. 0:16:56.950 --> 0:16:57.590 Yeah. 0:16:57.850 --> 0:17:00.250 Then there's ones like this. I read this one last night. 0:17:00.310 --> 0:17:00.990 It's beautiful. 0:17:01.470 --> 0:17:02.510 Memories of Fat Camp. 0:17:02.820 --> 0:17:03.260 Ooh. 0:17:03.400 --> 0:17:05.220 So it's like a memoir. So like, this is a 0:17:05.260 --> 0:17:09.780 writer and she, uh, Molly Rosen Mariner. And she, um, she's, 0:17:10.119 --> 0:17:12.310 it's just her memoir about how her parents sent her 0:17:12.440 --> 0:17:14.870 to a weight loss camp when she was a teenager 0:17:14.880 --> 0:17:17.290 in the nineties. And so she's, but then she also 0:17:17.330 --> 0:17:19.410 like interviews her parents about it, interviews. 0:17:19.109 --> 0:17:20.040 Her sister about it. 0:17:20.450 --> 0:17:22.450 And it's like, I guess what's so cool about a 0:17:22.470 --> 0:17:24.850 zine is that there's absolute freedom. Uh, well, there's a 0:17:24.850 --> 0:17:26.250 couple of things that are cool about it. First of all, 0:17:27.450 --> 0:17:29.570 buying something like this, when you, you know, you get 0:17:29.609 --> 0:17:32.900 it for like at a bookstore, it, it almost feels 0:17:32.980 --> 0:17:36.369 like getting a letter used to feel or like ordering 0:17:36.390 --> 0:17:38.090 something in the mail and get, cause it's, it's like, 0:17:38.350 --> 0:17:41.070 it's a missive from a person directly to you. It's 0:17:41.090 --> 0:17:44.229 like they printed this out, obviously didn't spend a ton 0:17:44.280 --> 0:17:47.480 of money, but put some effort into the creativity. And 0:17:47.520 --> 0:17:49.580 so when you get it, it feels like handmade. It 0:17:49.619 --> 0:17:51.080 feels like hand delivered. 0:17:50.680 --> 0:17:51.080 In a way. 0:17:51.100 --> 0:17:54.180 Um, and so like something like this, where it's like 0:17:54.240 --> 0:17:58.880 this very personal story, like I, like, I feel very 0:17:58.920 --> 0:18:01.229 connected to this person. I feel like they sent this 0:18:01.250 --> 0:18:02.929 out of the world without knowing where it was going 0:18:02.950 --> 0:18:04.490 to land. That's another part of it that I like 0:18:04.590 --> 0:18:06.629 is like, you're sort of just like, Hey, I'm going 0:18:06.890 --> 0:18:09.070 to put this out. Um, if it's a, you know, 0:18:09.090 --> 0:18:10.450 a lot, there are a lot of comics. Like the 0:18:10.510 --> 0:18:13.390 one you're holding is a beautiful comic that I haven't read. Um, 0:18:14.240 --> 0:18:16.500 but you know, it's like this idea that there's no 0:18:16.660 --> 0:18:20.860 sort of barrier to entry. There's no gatekeeping. It's just like, Hey, 0:18:21.000 --> 0:18:22.699 I want to say this thing into the world. The 0:18:22.740 --> 0:18:24.760 comic that you have right in front of you, um, 0:18:25.080 --> 0:18:28.140 is called where can I sing? Um, It is so 0:18:28.220 --> 0:18:31.260 interesting because it's like, it's not really a story. It's 0:18:31.680 --> 0:18:34.639 really just about this person who wanted to sing and 0:18:34.780 --> 0:18:38.620 all their experience dealing with roommates and not being able 0:18:38.640 --> 0:18:40.879 to find a place to sing. So there's this whimsical 0:18:40.940 --> 0:18:42.949 quality to it where it's like, it doesn't have to 0:18:43.010 --> 0:18:46.610 be a perfect story. Like, if a published comic, you 0:18:46.630 --> 0:18:49.610 probably have editors telling you it should have a beginning, 0:18:49.630 --> 0:18:52.590 a middle, and an end. Whereas zines are just kind 0:18:52.630 --> 0:18:53.750 of like, what do you want to put out into 0:18:53.770 --> 0:18:56.590 the world? So I kind of love the random nature 0:18:56.650 --> 0:18:59.250 of it. Sometimes I don't get them. Like there's a 0:18:59.250 --> 0:19:00.770 lot of visual ones that I don't get. Cause I'm 0:19:00.810 --> 0:19:02.330 not a visual person. So there's a lot of like, 0:19:02.780 --> 0:19:05.780 collagey or photography ones that are just like people in 0:19:05.820 --> 0:19:08.139 my neighborhood and the way they dress. And I'm a 0:19:08.160 --> 0:19:10.959 little like, I don't get it. Other times there's just 0:19:10.980 --> 0:19:13.490 like a vibe, you know, like I picked up one. 0:19:13.550 --> 0:19:14.930 I actually didn't bring it, but it was just like 0:19:15.570 --> 0:19:17.889 Halloween costumes like that they had worn. 0:19:17.750 --> 0:19:18.949 As a kid, you know? 0:19:18.970 --> 0:19:20.590 And it was like, just a cool to like go 0:19:20.630 --> 0:19:23.170 through their like eighties photos and nineties photos of them 0:19:23.230 --> 0:19:24.930 as a kid, like in Halloween costumes. 0:19:24.950 --> 0:19:26.680 I can tell you the one I have is the, 0:19:26.700 --> 0:19:29.179 it should be called the not Danielle official zine. 0:19:29.780 --> 0:19:30.040 Why? 0:19:30.180 --> 0:19:31.040 Cause it says welcome. 0:19:31.680 --> 0:19:33.340 This zine is a collection of ideas we like to 0:19:33.400 --> 0:19:36.639 talk about when we talk about experimental design and interactive 0:19:36.680 --> 0:19:37.979 theater and fun parties. 0:19:38.140 --> 0:19:38.540 Yes. 0:19:40.200 --> 0:19:41.889 Oh, that is so, then there was a, there's a 0:19:41.890 --> 0:19:45.229 little thing back here where it's, it says, um, it's, 0:19:45.369 --> 0:19:47.550 it's perfect. It says, give a man a fish. He'll 0:19:47.609 --> 0:19:50.100 eat for a day. Teach a man to fish. He'll 0:19:50.160 --> 0:19:54.580 eat for a lifetime. Pretend you're both fish. That showbiz baby. 0:19:56.040 --> 0:19:56.959 So there you go. 0:19:57.000 --> 0:19:58.760 This is the not Danielle fit. 0:19:58.800 --> 0:20:01.540 It's like they talk about having a hat party where 0:20:01.560 --> 0:20:03.470 you just, everybody brings multiple hats. 0:20:03.630 --> 0:20:07.210 And yet they named it infinite right answers, which immediately 0:20:07.250 --> 0:20:09.970 drew me because I was like, I also have infinite. 0:20:10.170 --> 0:20:10.770 I have them. 0:20:10.930 --> 0:20:13.430 I have, I could write a zine about infinite right answers. 0:20:13.490 --> 0:20:15.120 What I love is that they, they get to set 0:20:15.150 --> 0:20:18.040 their own terms. So you pick these things up and 0:20:18.080 --> 0:20:20.460 like when you, when you're at a bookstore that carries 0:20:20.500 --> 0:20:22.740 them and if you have a local bookstore that carries them, 0:20:22.800 --> 0:20:24.160 like go, go, go. 0:20:24.200 --> 0:20:24.740 It's so fun. 0:20:25.260 --> 0:20:28.050 Um, it's just the random name. It's like why, you know, 0:20:28.170 --> 0:20:30.490 like you can awesome often read them in one sitting. 0:20:30.590 --> 0:20:32.490 I like to buy them just to support, you know, 0:20:32.510 --> 0:20:34.950 because a lot of times the bookstores carry them on commission. 0:20:35.130 --> 0:20:37.210 Like in other words, they're not like, buying them you 0:20:37.230 --> 0:20:39.570 know they're like getting the money directly back to the 0:20:39.590 --> 0:20:43.280 person for every copy that they sell um i've seen 0:20:43.340 --> 0:20:45.419 ones that are just like movies that i like from 0:20:45.440 --> 0:20:47.280 the video store and it'll be like a list you 0:20:47.320 --> 0:20:48.979 know i don't know they just get to set their 0:20:49.020 --> 0:20:50.939 own terms so you kind of have no idea what 0:20:50.980 --> 0:20:53.580 you're getting so i like to like pick one up 0:20:53.920 --> 0:20:55.710 kind of check it out and then just buy it 0:20:55.830 --> 0:20:57.070 and then take it home and. 0:20:56.990 --> 0:20:59.970 Then flip through it is this the real price of 0:21:00.030 --> 0:21:00.649 a zine. 0:21:00.670 --> 0:21:04.070 Yeah how much is it like nine bucks ten bucks well. 0:21:04.109 --> 0:21:06.949 When i tell you that it's going to make hearing 0:21:07.010 --> 0:21:11.670 his complaint about that's how they get you a quarter popcorn. I, this. 0:21:11.530 --> 0:21:16.040 Is $ 11. This is $ 13. Yeah. For art. 0:21:16.660 --> 0:21:18.280 It's going directly to the person. 0:21:18.640 --> 0:21:19.760 Oh my gosh. 0:21:19.780 --> 0:21:21.200 A book costs 20, 30 bucks. 0:21:21.240 --> 0:21:24.270 But unlike these, like you said, you like that there's 0:21:24.310 --> 0:21:26.790 no beginning, middle of an end. And that's, beginning, middle, 0:21:26.810 --> 0:21:26.980 and end. 0:21:26.990 --> 0:21:29.320 There's also, like you said, they barely spent any money 0:21:29.380 --> 0:21:31.540 to put this together. A book is $ 20, and it's 0:21:31.580 --> 0:21:32.200 got a. 0:21:32.220 --> 0:21:34.980 Yeah, so it's just paying for the content. 0:21:35.200 --> 0:21:36.380 Are there cliff notes for these? 0:21:37.940 --> 0:21:43.250 Yeah, I was thinking, just we're having an honest conversation here. 0:21:43.470 --> 0:21:45.110 I was thinking this would maybe. 0:21:44.910 --> 0:21:48.050 Be $ 3 or $ 4, and that I would go in, 0:21:48.230 --> 0:21:52.050 and I could see picking... three or four or five, 0:21:52.570 --> 0:21:57.310 three or $ 4 zines to support and then leaving. 0:21:57.970 --> 0:21:59.770 You've got like $ 60 worth of stuff here. 0:21:59.910 --> 0:22:00.310 Totally. 0:22:00.330 --> 0:22:01.669 Wow. 0:22:02.070 --> 0:22:02.629 Okay. 0:22:04.130 --> 0:22:05.650 That is worth paying for. 0:22:05.670 --> 0:22:06.470 Oh my God. 0:22:06.970 --> 0:22:08.790 We have very different ideas. 0:22:09.070 --> 0:22:10.570 Yes, we do. Definitely. 0:22:10.590 --> 0:22:10.930 We do. 0:22:10.990 --> 0:22:14.230 We have very different ideas. It's not money going towards publicity. 0:22:14.270 --> 0:22:16.490 It's not money going towards marketing. It's not money going 0:22:16.530 --> 0:22:17.250 towards printing. 0:22:17.310 --> 0:22:17.810 It's not money. 0:22:17.850 --> 0:22:19.169 It's going directly to the. 0:22:19.890 --> 0:22:22.110 author or you know what else that to. 0:22:22.070 --> 0:22:25.230 Me is always worth it why don't you just. 0:22:24.609 --> 0:22:27.469 Stop people on the street and give them money all 0:22:27.510 --> 0:22:28.050 the time. 0:22:27.930 --> 0:22:30.230 Like just they're not doing anything oh this is they're 0:22:30.270 --> 0:22:33.270 doing something okay you're you're. 0:22:33.130 --> 0:22:35.450 Dismissive of art you're dismissive of writing. 0:22:35.170 --> 0:22:37.989 I am yes you'd rather buy a diamond or a 0:22:38.030 --> 0:22:39.810 pair of shoes that is made. 0:22:39.670 --> 0:22:44.280 By a corporation i like some gatekeeping I agree. 0:22:44.300 --> 0:22:44.800 Yeah. 0:22:45.500 --> 0:22:45.820 I agree. 0:22:46.100 --> 0:22:47.720 I don't think it should all be, but I think, 0:22:47.880 --> 0:22:49.800 but that's the problem with the internet, right? There is 0:22:49.920 --> 0:22:51.030 literally no, yeah, I agree. 0:22:51.050 --> 0:22:51.510 Yeah. 0:22:51.570 --> 0:22:54.750 Like, whereas this is like, this takes care and effort 0:22:54.770 --> 0:22:57.149 to like, actually want to like print this out. And 0:22:57.670 --> 0:23:00.670 you're obviously reaching a targeted audience. If you're aiming for 0:23:00.710 --> 0:23:03.650 your local bookstore or you're distributing it on your own, 0:23:04.010 --> 0:23:06.040 you know, it's like, you're not just like the internet 0:23:06.080 --> 0:23:08.740 is just, I'm going to publish whatever I want, which, 0:23:09.040 --> 0:23:11.480 and we've seen what culturally that kind of just becomes, uh, 0:23:12.150 --> 0:23:12.490 a mess. 0:23:12.530 --> 0:23:13.390 It's like, it's so hard. 0:23:13.430 --> 0:23:16.540 So I, I appreciate a lot of gatekeeping actually, but 0:23:16.560 --> 0:23:18.520 I think that this is kind of its own gatekeeping 0:23:18.560 --> 0:23:21.440 just by virtue of like making your own thing, putting 0:23:21.480 --> 0:23:23.340 it out there. How do you get this to, you know, 0:23:23.400 --> 0:23:25.379 the people that are interested, obviously the only people that 0:23:25.400 --> 0:23:27.939 are interested are people like me, not you guys. 0:23:28.000 --> 0:23:30.780 So I'm wondering, cause you know, talking about like a 0:23:30.820 --> 0:23:33.399 Tumblr account, somebody could have a Tumblr, like a Tumblr 0:23:33.440 --> 0:23:35.310 account or a blog spot. 0:23:35.670 --> 0:23:36.490 And have a collection of. 0:23:39.390 --> 0:23:42.850 Zines on the internet, and it can be anything they 0:23:42.890 --> 0:23:44.710 want to write about at any point in time. 0:23:44.730 --> 0:23:45.580 Those are called snorps. 0:23:45.600 --> 0:23:49.100 Substack is the most recent. 0:23:49.119 --> 0:23:49.800 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. 0:23:49.820 --> 0:23:50.139 You like that. 0:23:50.180 --> 0:23:50.780 Yes, there you go. 0:23:51.980 --> 0:23:58.380 I subscribe to several people's substacks, yours included. Thank you. 0:23:58.770 --> 0:24:03.570 So this is worth more to you, $ 13 a zine, 0:24:04.850 --> 0:24:08.090 because they had to spend the time printing it out. 0:24:09.040 --> 0:24:12.100 This one's 16. 0:24:13.960 --> 0:24:16.480 I think there's something to physical media, right? Like I 0:24:16.520 --> 0:24:21.480 think the idea is the level of connectivity, the level 0:24:21.500 --> 0:24:25.160 of like, yeah, I think that extra effort, right? Because 0:24:25.619 --> 0:24:29.160 even your examples of like Tumblr or whatever, I think 0:24:29.200 --> 0:24:30.780 those used to be. 0:24:32.119 --> 0:24:33.359 These kinds of sites, you know? 0:24:33.400 --> 0:24:36.080 But nowadays the internet is so, it's like it's all 0:24:36.160 --> 0:24:39.010 so easy to, But it is, you know, it is 0:24:39.109 --> 0:24:42.760 harder to find content that you connect with. I think 0:24:42.780 --> 0:24:44.889 it's all just kind of a mess because everybody with 0:24:44.930 --> 0:24:47.800 a Facebook page, everybody with a Twitter handle, whatever, can 0:24:47.840 --> 0:24:53.219 publish whatever they want. So, yeah, I think it's gotten oversaturated, right? Like, 0:24:53.240 --> 0:24:55.320 you want to just cut through the noise. Like, the 0:24:55.359 --> 0:24:56.859 point is to cut through the noise, however you can 0:24:56.900 --> 0:24:58.859 cut through the noise. So if that's, like, subscribing to 0:24:58.880 --> 0:25:02.219 somebody on Substack or letting the algorithm pick it for you, 0:25:02.260 --> 0:25:05.020 which is what Instagram does and what Twitter does, like, 0:25:05.060 --> 0:25:07.750 the algorithm is, like, telling you what you'll like based 0:25:07.790 --> 0:25:09.389 on what you've already liked or clicked on. 0:25:09.390 --> 0:25:10.149 That's weird to me. 0:25:10.190 --> 0:25:13.879 Whereas something like this is like a physical algorithm. I 0:25:13.890 --> 0:25:17.080 have to physically walk into a store, seek something out 0:25:17.119 --> 0:25:20.959 that is like, you know, for me, like probably like 0:25:21.020 --> 0:25:22.919 a memoir is going to be more my style. 0:25:22.940 --> 0:25:25.739 Something that's more text-based. I'm not going to really, I'm 0:25:25.770 --> 0:25:27.330 not a big comic person. I'm probably not going to 0:25:27.369 --> 0:25:28.169 pick up those zines. 0:25:28.190 --> 0:25:31.630 Weird question. Are there famous zine writers? 0:25:31.750 --> 0:25:34.270 Like people where it's like, I've gotten 10 of their zines. 0:25:35.030 --> 0:25:36.550 The same kind of people's zine. 0:25:36.850 --> 0:25:37.490 I'm sure, yeah. 0:25:37.730 --> 0:25:39.690 But I think, I mean, it was really famous in, like, 0:25:39.790 --> 0:25:42.320 the 60s and 70s, and, like, I think there's, like, 0:25:42.400 --> 0:25:47.940 a whole, like, punk underground music, like, zine scene. There's 0:25:47.960 --> 0:25:50.420 a whole comic zine scene. Like, I don't know that 0:25:50.480 --> 0:25:53.220 much about the subcultures. I just know that I like 0:25:53.260 --> 0:25:56.520 the experience of walking in, looking at them, picking up 0:25:56.540 --> 0:25:59.440 the ones that I kind of like. The one I didn't, 0:25:59.760 --> 0:26:02.010 I couldn't find because I gave it to my wife 0:26:02.070 --> 0:26:05.590 was a... a zine and I'm sorry, I don't know 0:26:05.609 --> 0:26:07.550 the author's name because I couldn't find her copy this 0:26:07.609 --> 0:26:10.310 morning before we came. Uh, it was like, I became 0:26:10.350 --> 0:26:12.800 a feminist because of watching horror films and it was 0:26:12.840 --> 0:26:15.820 all about the final girl theories about, um, horror films 0:26:15.880 --> 0:26:18.590 and like, that's something like my wife has written about 0:26:18.609 --> 0:26:19.010 a bunch. 0:26:19.030 --> 0:26:20.250 So I was like, Oh my God, you're going to 0:26:20.270 --> 0:26:21.350 love this. So I found a zine. 0:26:21.390 --> 0:26:23.450 It's basically like an essay, you know, but it has 0:26:23.490 --> 0:26:26.270 like pictures from movies and has like all, and it's 0:26:26.290 --> 0:26:27.150 like a personal essay. 0:26:27.230 --> 0:26:28.629 That's like totally my jam. 0:26:28.710 --> 0:26:29.330 Yeah. 0:26:29.450 --> 0:26:31.949 And yeah, that could just be an essay online, but 0:26:31.990 --> 0:26:35.520 the chances of me fine, like I've noticed that the algorithm, 0:26:35.840 --> 0:26:40.760 the algorithmic feeding online can get so, I don't know. 0:26:40.820 --> 0:26:41.980 It just, it's specific. 0:26:42.520 --> 0:26:44.080 That's one thing I've noticed where it's all of a 0:26:44.080 --> 0:26:47.459 sudden it's like, I looked at one thing of sunglasses 0:26:47.520 --> 0:26:50.480 and now everything is a specific color. I'm like, there's 0:26:50.480 --> 0:26:51.180 50 of these. 0:26:51.400 --> 0:26:53.250 Are you kidding me? But it's also a feedback loop 0:26:53.270 --> 0:26:56.690 where you find yourself only reading the things that you're... You're. 0:26:56.390 --> 0:26:57.130 Not exposed to anything. 0:26:57.150 --> 0:26:59.709 You're not exposed to different things. That's what I like 0:26:59.750 --> 0:27:02.689 about this too. I'm into the idea that somebody out 0:27:02.730 --> 0:27:06.669 there is an individual who wants to cut and paste 0:27:06.730 --> 0:27:09.630 and fold something together and try and publish their own thing. 0:27:09.670 --> 0:27:10.280 Whatever that is. 0:27:11.350 --> 0:27:14.290 I just like that in concept. But I also don't 0:27:14.350 --> 0:27:16.050 know what that's going to be. I'm probably going to 0:27:16.090 --> 0:27:19.060 disagree with 50% of the zines out there if they're 0:27:19.080 --> 0:27:21.680 political or I'm going to disagree or just not like 0:27:21.800 --> 0:27:23.820 what they're writing about or care. But I just like 0:27:23.840 --> 0:27:27.100 the idea that that is a limiting factor and that connection. 0:27:27.720 --> 0:27:29.379 And I guess one of the things that separates it 0:27:29.420 --> 0:27:32.790 from a sub stack is that the idea that you 0:27:32.869 --> 0:27:36.409 are going to follow an author and now you're going to– 0:27:36.750 --> 0:27:39.070 somehow buy into the idea that maybe you liked one 0:27:39.130 --> 0:27:41.770 thing they wrote but that doesn't necessarily mean you're gonna 0:27:42.070 --> 0:27:45.050 love everything about the author whereas with a zine you 0:27:45.070 --> 0:27:47.560 could pick one thing and like this zine about their 0:27:47.619 --> 0:27:50.840 puppet making but the next but also like this mem 0:27:50.880 --> 0:27:52.300 like you don't have to like the next thing they 0:27:52.320 --> 0:27:54.840 write they could write about a totally different subject and 0:27:54.880 --> 0:27:56.920 you may not pick up that zine so yeah it 0:27:56.980 --> 0:27:59.000 is a little more individualized well this is very interesting 0:27:59.020 --> 0:28:02.310 would you uh would you have any interest in doing 0:28:02.390 --> 0:28:03.070 a zine. 0:28:02.850 --> 0:28:05.390 I totally yeah no i should do one Why don't. 0:28:05.310 --> 0:28:06.810 You do a Pod Meets World zine? 0:28:10.310 --> 0:28:10.830 What would it be? 0:28:11.109 --> 0:28:11.550 I don't know. 0:28:12.690 --> 0:28:15.070 Top 10 episodes of Boy Meets World. 0:28:15.190 --> 0:28:16.110 I don't know. 0:28:17.290 --> 0:28:18.390 No, I don't know what I would do. 0:28:19.190 --> 0:28:21.320 You should do one that's just called Pre-Show Chatter. And 0:28:21.340 --> 0:28:22.280 it's just random thoughts. 0:28:22.300 --> 0:28:23.580 All the things you like to talk. 0:28:23.619 --> 0:28:26.560 Just random, bizarre thoughts of different stuff. That's how they 0:28:26.600 --> 0:28:28.179 get you. And then charge $ 37 for it. 0:28:28.340 --> 0:28:30.280 You could make a zine of That's How They Get You. 0:28:30.560 --> 0:28:31.060 And it's just. 0:28:31.080 --> 0:28:32.100 Actually not a bad idea. 0:28:32.119 --> 0:28:32.199 Yeah. 0:28:32.880 --> 0:28:35.300 A zine of that? I don't know. It seems so negative. 0:28:35.800 --> 0:28:36.659 It seems so dark. 0:28:36.780 --> 0:28:38.770 Is it or are you warning people that that's how 0:28:38.810 --> 0:28:39.810 they in fact get you? 0:28:40.130 --> 0:28:40.310 Yeah. 0:28:40.960 --> 0:28:43.030 Seriously. 0:28:43.190 --> 0:28:45.130 I'm super paranoid. 0:28:45.330 --> 0:28:47.170 The pamphlet of how to avoid being attacked by the 0:28:47.210 --> 0:28:49.870 bear isn't dark. It's teaching you how not to be 0:28:49.890 --> 0:28:50.750 attacked by a bear. 0:28:51.030 --> 0:28:51.650 I'll think about it. 0:28:51.690 --> 0:28:52.050 I don't know. 0:28:52.330 --> 0:28:53.100 How many should I do? 0:28:53.150 --> 0:28:55.540 I don't know how many, like 100 copies of the zine? 0:28:55.580 --> 0:28:56.540 I would do 100 copies. 0:28:57.180 --> 0:28:59.940 And if people follow your Instagram, follow along for the zine, 0:29:00.280 --> 0:29:02.090 maybe we could give out 100 copies to. 0:29:04.890 --> 0:29:05.990 So, dear listeners. 0:29:06.070 --> 0:29:08.290 I would do that, and then I'd do exactly what 0:29:08.310 --> 0:29:10.250 you wanted to do, and I'd leave them places, and 0:29:10.290 --> 0:29:12.470 then have people tag you if they're found. Like, I 0:29:12.710 --> 0:29:15.730 found your book on a random bus in Los Angeles. 0:29:15.750 --> 0:29:16.330 If you find this. 0:29:16.370 --> 0:29:17.490 Like, that would be the fun thing. 0:29:17.670 --> 0:29:18.660 That's cute. So, I'll do like 100. 0:29:18.630 --> 0:29:18.690 50. 0:29:18.660 --> 0:29:19.920 Give away 100 and leave 50. And then if you 0:29:19.940 --> 0:29:21.120 find the zine, tag. 0:29:20.920 --> 0:29:22.580 You where it was found. Yeah, all right. 0:29:22.640 --> 0:29:23.420 That's a cool idea. 0:29:28.480 --> 0:29:29.600 Yeah, I got to think about what I want to 0:29:29.640 --> 0:29:32.060 actually do. I don't think that's how they get you. 0:29:32.090 --> 0:29:33.550 I'll say that's how they get you is for here. 0:29:33.610 --> 0:29:34.270 For here, okay. 0:29:35.490 --> 0:29:36.410 It could be something. 0:29:36.620 --> 0:29:39.420 Well, again, like the one I'm looking at, Infinite Right Answers, 0:29:39.820 --> 0:29:41.620 it seems like somebody just took a whole bunch of 0:29:41.660 --> 0:29:43.940 mescaline and wrote a book. So you could do that 0:29:43.980 --> 0:29:46.520 where it's just everything is different. Like every page is 0:29:46.560 --> 0:29:48.920 essentially a different thing. So you don't, I mean, I 0:29:48.920 --> 0:29:51.370 don't think you need to go in with like what 0:29:51.400 --> 0:29:53.330 should I do? I think you could do one page 0:29:53.370 --> 0:29:55.590 could be poetry. The next thing is it's one of 0:29:55.750 --> 0:29:58.310 Alex's amazing recipes for some kind of soup. The next 0:29:58.330 --> 0:30:00.790 thing is Indy's thoughts on whatever. I mean, it could 0:30:00.810 --> 0:30:03.490 just be a totally random kind of thing. you know 0:30:03.570 --> 0:30:05.770 the thing the best best way to build a a 0:30:05.810 --> 0:30:09.219 hammock in a redwood right like just all random stuff i. 0:30:09.190 --> 0:30:11.020 Definitely wanted to i just want to be inspired you 0:30:11.060 --> 0:30:12.920 know so it has to be something that i'm actually 0:30:13.000 --> 0:30:17.060 like into um because i that's that's what i connect 0:30:17.080 --> 0:30:19.280 with this when somebody is like you know i'm compelled 0:30:19.360 --> 0:30:21.680 to write about this thing or say this thing like 0:30:21.720 --> 0:30:24.070 it's not just for the sake of doing it i got. 0:30:23.950 --> 0:30:25.790 A zine you can do for your second one that 0:30:25.810 --> 0:30:29.170 you do you do part of the diary of the 0:30:29.210 --> 0:30:32.560 girl that was killed in red weather And you leave 0:30:32.600 --> 0:30:32.900 it places. 0:30:32.920 --> 0:30:35.900 So people can actually read part of the diary. 0:30:36.220 --> 0:30:39.260 It's like it's a collaborative, or yeah, it's like a 0:30:39.330 --> 0:30:40.270 side quest for. 0:30:40.400 --> 0:30:41.230 Absolutely. 0:30:41.290 --> 0:30:43.590 So it's literally like you can start. 0:30:43.250 --> 0:30:44.330 Flipping through the diary. 0:30:44.350 --> 0:30:48.310 It's got like her favorite music list. 0:30:48.050 --> 0:30:49.130 And all that kind of stuff. 0:30:49.150 --> 0:30:50.730 That's a great idea. 0:30:50.750 --> 0:30:51.710 That would be neat. 0:30:51.830 --> 0:30:52.470 That's a cool idea. 0:30:52.510 --> 0:30:52.989 That'd be neat. 0:30:53.030 --> 0:30:53.680 Yeah, something like that. 0:30:53.690 --> 0:30:56.040 I am interested in reading this one, this AI Must Die. 0:30:56.060 --> 0:30:57.240 I know, me too. 0:30:57.440 --> 0:30:59.570 I started flipping through it. When you're done with it, 0:30:59.580 --> 0:31:00.280 I'd like to borrow it. 0:31:00.360 --> 0:31:00.920 Yeah, I wrote that. 0:31:01.060 --> 0:31:04.920 I heard you guys went to Nordstrom this week to 0:31:04.960 --> 0:31:06.910 pick out clothes and you absolutely hated it. 0:31:06.920 --> 0:31:08.430 I don't shop. 0:31:08.590 --> 0:31:08.890 I hate it. 0:31:08.890 --> 0:31:09.530 I hate it. 0:31:09.710 --> 0:31:11.290 I hate shopping. It's the worst thing ever. 0:31:11.310 --> 0:31:13.810 First of all, I hate malls. All malls. 0:31:14.090 --> 0:31:15.550 I don't disagree with that sentiment. 0:31:15.570 --> 0:31:16.130 I hate shopping. 0:31:16.550 --> 0:31:16.770 Yeah. 0:31:16.810 --> 0:31:18.020 It's just not for me. 0:31:18.170 --> 0:31:20.440 But we went to the Topanga Mall. 0:31:21.760 --> 0:31:23.140 Topanga Mall. 0:31:26.700 --> 0:31:29.720 Which I guess I must have been to at some point. 0:31:29.740 --> 0:31:30.040 Yeah. 0:31:30.060 --> 0:31:30.960 It looked vaguely familiar. 0:31:30.980 --> 0:31:33.250 Well, it's because it looked like every other mall. 0:31:34.270 --> 0:31:34.870 Well, no. 0:31:35.170 --> 0:31:37.190 All the malls in LA are now outdoor malls. 0:31:37.450 --> 0:31:37.710 Yeah. 0:31:37.810 --> 0:31:39.650 Oh, like the Grove and stuff like that? 0:31:39.670 --> 0:31:40.380 Yeah, faux cities. 0:31:41.260 --> 0:31:41.900 Is that what they're called? 0:31:42.380 --> 0:31:43.610 That's what I call them. Oh, okay. 0:31:43.750 --> 0:31:45.010 Like fake town squares. 0:31:45.030 --> 0:31:46.030 That's what I call them. 0:31:46.050 --> 0:31:47.950 You said that like I was supposed to know the answer. 0:31:48.070 --> 0:31:50.810 Obviously, it's a faux city. It's like, look, it looks 0:31:50.870 --> 0:31:53.310 almost like a real city with a real train car, 0:31:53.330 --> 0:31:55.630 with a real people-gathering spot. 0:31:55.730 --> 0:31:56.230 You love trains? 0:31:56.260 --> 0:31:56.740 I love trains. 0:31:56.920 --> 0:32:00.020 Jensen loves trains. He loves the sound of a train. 0:32:00.280 --> 0:32:01.760 I love the sound. Have you ever been on a 0:32:01.780 --> 0:32:03.840 sleeper train? The rocking at night just puts you right 0:32:03.860 --> 0:32:04.180 to bed. 0:32:04.200 --> 0:32:04.840 You took a train trip. 0:32:05.080 --> 0:32:06.460 I did, from L.A. all the way to Connecticut. 0:32:06.480 --> 0:32:07.300 But you said it wasn't great. 0:32:07.320 --> 0:32:08.880 Oh, it was awful. 0:32:09.160 --> 0:32:09.480 Oh, no. 0:32:09.530 --> 0:32:10.950 And I loved it. Yeah. 0:32:11.030 --> 0:32:11.550 Oh, it was. 0:32:12.370 --> 0:32:13.910 I remember you were a smoker at the time. I 0:32:13.930 --> 0:32:15.670 remember you said you had to like stop at every 0:32:15.690 --> 0:32:16.170 stop and like. 0:32:16.270 --> 0:32:17.990 Well, yeah, yeah, because they wouldn't. 0:32:18.010 --> 0:32:19.710 And they'd stop at like four o'clock in the morning 0:32:19.750 --> 0:32:21.270 and you'd hear the whistle and you'd be like, I 0:32:21.270 --> 0:32:23.190 got to get up because I can't smoke again until, 0:32:23.690 --> 0:32:26.010 you know, 10 o'clock the next morning. So there'd be four, 0:32:26.110 --> 0:32:28.410 you know, 14 smokers outside of 4 a.m. 0:32:28.430 --> 0:32:30.470 Like in their pajamas. Like, hey, how you doing? Yeah. 0:32:30.490 --> 0:32:31.970 Just try to get some nicotine. 0:32:32.090 --> 0:32:33.250 Oh, my gosh. 0:32:33.270 --> 0:32:33.970 That's yeah. 0:32:34.010 --> 0:32:35.709 You're like, I don't even enjoy this. 0:32:35.830 --> 0:32:37.550 Oh, I enjoy it. I have to do it. 0:32:37.650 --> 0:32:38.810 I'm tired. 0:32:39.050 --> 0:32:40.190 Oh, magical. I loved it. 0:32:40.690 --> 0:32:43.840 Um, but yeah, no, it, it was not, you have 0:32:43.860 --> 0:32:48.380 this idea of these kind of Rome, uh, romantic, you know, 0:32:48.800 --> 0:32:52.040 European train cars where you're, you're sitting there and meeting 0:32:52.080 --> 0:32:54.700 wonderful people and there's white linen tablecloths and you're going 0:32:55.060 --> 0:32:57.260 as the, the, the mid, you know, the majesty of 0:32:57.330 --> 0:32:59.530 the country is going by. And it just wasn't that 0:32:59.570 --> 0:33:01.090 at all. The first night I was there, I went 0:33:01.130 --> 0:33:03.640 down to the bar car and, And some drunk, big, 0:33:03.700 --> 0:33:05.700 huge guy just pulled off his shirt and then threw 0:33:05.740 --> 0:33:07.100 a beer all over the truck. 0:33:07.300 --> 0:33:08.120 And I was like, and I'm out. 0:33:08.200 --> 0:33:09.500 And I stayed in my room for the rest of 0:33:09.520 --> 0:33:13.180 the time. And the toilet is also the shower. So 0:33:13.200 --> 0:33:15.300 you got to like sit on the crapper to like shower. 0:33:15.460 --> 0:33:16.290 What? 0:33:16.370 --> 0:33:17.380 And so you got like the thing. 0:33:17.650 --> 0:33:19.710 It was not what I expected it was going to be. 0:33:20.070 --> 0:33:22.450 But I still there's several train rides, overnight train rides 0:33:22.470 --> 0:33:25.030 I want to take in Europe. But that's different than here. 0:33:25.290 --> 0:33:25.730 Okay. 0:33:25.790 --> 0:33:26.410 Okay. 0:33:27.790 --> 0:33:29.370 We could have also just gone back to the car. 0:33:29.390 --> 0:33:31.290 You just got scared because a guy took a curb off? 0:33:31.310 --> 0:33:31.510 Not scared. 0:33:31.530 --> 0:33:33.870 It was just like, ugh. It was just, yeah, it 0:33:33.910 --> 0:33:34.930 was just a lot of grossness. 0:33:34.950 --> 0:33:36.570 I don't want to deal with other human beings. 0:33:36.610 --> 0:33:37.570 Why are you taking a train ride? 0:33:37.590 --> 0:33:38.310 I don't understand. 0:33:38.330 --> 0:33:41.640 You're pulling off your shirt and throwing beers on everybody. 0:33:41.660 --> 0:33:42.880 It was like, I don't need to go back there 0:33:42.920 --> 0:33:43.360 ever again. 0:33:43.440 --> 0:33:43.720 I'm good. 0:33:43.840 --> 0:33:44.380 Thank you very much. 0:33:44.400 --> 0:33:45.280 To the bar cart. 0:33:45.320 --> 0:33:47.300 I did it. 0:33:47.300 --> 0:33:47.500 Check. 0:33:47.520 --> 0:33:50.040 I think the best overnight train ride I took was 0:33:50.120 --> 0:33:55.270 in Vietnam. And I was with a bunch of Vietnam vets. Actually, 0:33:55.290 --> 0:33:57.130 it was a whole trip I'll talk about sometime. But 0:33:57.170 --> 0:34:01.560 we were late at night. It was really an intense, 0:34:01.980 --> 0:34:06.600 rattly train car. And we were playing poker until some 0:34:06.660 --> 0:34:08.219 cops came by and stopped us. 0:34:08.340 --> 0:34:09.820 But yeah, playing poker. 0:34:09.840 --> 0:34:10.939 Are you not allowed to play poker? 0:34:10.980 --> 0:34:11.560 I guess not. 0:34:11.600 --> 0:34:12.160 We were gambling. 0:34:12.180 --> 0:34:14.719 We were actually gambling. 0:34:15.200 --> 0:34:17.330 That sounds fun. But it was an experience. Super fun. 0:34:18.330 --> 0:34:18.590 Yeah. 0:34:18.630 --> 0:34:21.509 From where were we going? We were from Hanoi down 0:34:21.530 --> 0:34:24.650 to Hue, I think, on a train ride. It was incredible. 0:34:24.710 --> 0:34:25.390 Yeah, that's cool. 0:34:26.570 --> 0:34:28.630 So can we go back to you guys trying on clothes? 0:34:28.670 --> 0:34:32.820 What do you hate about the shopping experience? 0:34:32.880 --> 0:34:33.180 Everything. 0:34:33.300 --> 0:34:34.880 Everything. It's awful. 0:34:34.900 --> 0:34:35.620 I hate shopping. 0:34:35.700 --> 0:34:38.560 But you guys even had a stylist pull things in 0:34:38.600 --> 0:34:39.600 your sizes, right? 0:34:40.200 --> 0:34:41.960 Yes, which makes it even worse. 0:34:42.260 --> 0:34:42.480 No. 0:34:42.680 --> 0:34:45.719 I mean, that is amazing. What a privilege, right? 0:34:45.880 --> 0:34:46.040 Yes. 0:34:46.560 --> 0:34:51.040 But you know, when online shopping became a reality, that 0:34:51.160 --> 0:34:52.460 is the only thing I will do. 0:34:52.800 --> 0:34:52.960 Right. 0:34:53.000 --> 0:34:54.860 Because the idea. 0:34:54.480 --> 0:34:57.150 Of like, somebody at a store talking to me and 0:34:57.210 --> 0:34:59.130 trying to help me figure out how to, like, I 0:34:59.170 --> 0:35:00.680 don't like any sort of pampering. 0:35:00.860 --> 0:35:01.529 Right, right, right. 0:35:01.640 --> 0:35:02.180 I'm the same way. 0:35:02.420 --> 0:35:03.460 But you like massages. 0:35:03.520 --> 0:35:04.240 I love massages. 0:35:04.280 --> 0:35:07.980 I don't like anybody, like, dealing with, like, my body 0:35:08.040 --> 0:35:10.080 or my taste. It's like, no, I can take care 0:35:10.120 --> 0:35:12.260 of myself. Like, I don't want that kind of attention. 0:35:12.980 --> 0:35:14.759 It makes me very nervous and. 0:35:14.960 --> 0:35:15.520 I don't know. 0:35:15.660 --> 0:35:17.469 I just don't like trying on and off clothes. I 0:35:17.489 --> 0:35:20.830 don't care how I look, but I do, I don't know. So, like, 0:35:20.910 --> 0:35:23.549 this is a perfect example. I found the shirt that 0:35:23.570 --> 0:35:25.600 I like and I said, Get it in every color. 0:35:26.700 --> 0:35:28.700 And I was done. Yeah. Because I just don't like, 0:35:28.900 --> 0:35:29.370 I don't like it. 0:35:30.239 --> 0:35:33.340 But like you, one of the things you have liked 0:35:33.420 --> 0:35:36.190 about having a stylist when we have had a stylist 0:35:36.210 --> 0:35:40.260 for events that we have done is that. someone can say, 0:35:40.800 --> 0:35:43.900 you would look good in this. I picked this for you. 0:35:43.940 --> 0:35:46.090 And then you put it on and you go, ah, yes, 0:35:46.160 --> 0:35:49.169 I do like that. And sometimes those things are not 0:35:49.210 --> 0:35:51.530 things you would have normally selected for yourself. 0:35:51.750 --> 0:35:53.630 And so you're saying that when you go into a store, 0:35:53.890 --> 0:35:56.069 often a person that works at the store can be 0:35:56.130 --> 0:35:59.390 that person for you? Correct. I always feel like they're 0:35:59.430 --> 0:36:02.870 out to get me. Oh, that's how they get you. 0:36:03.110 --> 0:36:04.390 You should do a zine about that. 0:36:04.570 --> 0:36:07.569 If it's a stylist, like in our situations where we're 0:36:07.650 --> 0:36:10.680 fortunate enough to have like, Someone hired by a show 0:36:10.739 --> 0:36:13.799 or a wardrobe person. That I can totally hang with. 0:36:13.920 --> 0:36:15.600 But when it's somebody that works at the store, I'm like, 0:36:15.620 --> 0:36:16.380 I don't know. 0:36:16.540 --> 0:36:21.710 For you, it's like the salesperson and a stylist together. 0:36:22.330 --> 0:36:24.490 They're always like, have you tried the $ 1, 400 coat? 0:36:24.570 --> 0:36:26.710 I'm like, of course. 0:36:27.230 --> 0:36:27.930 Of course. 0:36:28.770 --> 0:36:32.440 In fact, my wife got some sort of friends and 0:36:32.500 --> 0:36:36.020 family discount at a store. And I was like, she's like, 0:36:36.300 --> 0:36:39.380 it's 30% off. You like this brand. And I was like, 0:36:39.400 --> 0:36:43.279 I actually do. I have worn these clothes. I do 0:36:43.300 --> 0:36:45.700 like this brand. She's like, let's go. Let's make a 0:36:46.200 --> 0:36:49.239 trip to the store, which I hadn't done in a 0:36:49.390 --> 0:36:52.810 long time. I was like, okay, yes. And then we 0:36:52.910 --> 0:36:56.529 get there. And of course, it's like the salesperson is like, oh, 0:36:56.590 --> 0:36:58.430 you're here for the friends and family. And they get 0:36:58.469 --> 0:37:01.609 her name. And then they're like, what can we? 0:37:01.710 --> 0:37:02.550 And I'm like, okay. 0:37:02.570 --> 0:37:03.750 And then they start throwing things. 0:37:04.920 --> 0:37:07.160 Such expensive stuff at me and i'm like i can't. 0:37:07.280 --> 0:37:08.670 This is do we get to pick what store it 0:37:08.690 --> 0:37:10.330 is do we get to guess no come on let 0:37:10.350 --> 0:37:13.390 me guess let me guess okay go is it made 0:37:13.430 --> 0:37:14.290 well nope. 0:37:14.650 --> 0:37:17.210 Okay oh so expensive at made well i don't know 0:37:17.330 --> 0:37:18.149 i bet it's. 0:37:18.090 --> 0:37:20.879 Cost i finally pick out i finally pick out like 0:37:21.060 --> 0:37:22.560 one thing that i'm like you know what this will 0:37:22.580 --> 0:37:24.900 do this is a thing i would buy this and 0:37:25.020 --> 0:37:28.380 alex keeps because there's another thing that's like really expensive 0:37:28.420 --> 0:37:29.540 and alex is like but it's 30 off i was 0:37:29.560 --> 0:37:31.040 like it That's how they get you. 0:37:31.060 --> 0:37:31.420 Exactly. 0:37:31.460 --> 0:37:34.970 No, I'm not going to just pay $ 800 for a thing, 0:37:35.310 --> 0:37:37.150 but I wouldn't get otherwise. 0:37:37.150 --> 0:37:40.670 30% off is actually just math. It's not girl math. 0:37:40.750 --> 0:37:41.770 Because then you. 0:37:41.910 --> 0:37:44.890 Return it and get something more expensive. How does that work? 0:37:44.910 --> 0:37:47.520 No, what happens is what girl math would be is 0:37:47.560 --> 0:37:49.180 that I bought this at 30% off. 0:37:49.260 --> 0:37:53.060 So I made whatever that 30% off was. So I 0:37:53.160 --> 0:37:54.940 made that much money. Now I can go spend that 0:37:54.980 --> 0:37:55.500 on something else. 0:37:55.580 --> 0:37:56.339 See, that's not a thing. 0:37:58.210 --> 0:38:01.989 But then we go like we're gonna buy this great, okay, 0:38:02.050 --> 0:38:04.370 and then they're like well you can't leave here today 0:38:04.390 --> 0:38:07.790 It's tomorrow you can come pick it up and we 0:38:07.830 --> 0:38:09.310 have to check because only. 0:38:09.210 --> 0:38:12.190 Certain items are the 30% Oh my god, we made 0:38:12.230 --> 0:38:14.750 this whole trip We walked out with nothing. 0:38:17.810 --> 0:38:20.160 And was the thing on sale? 0:38:20.200 --> 0:38:20.470 I don't know. 0:38:20.489 --> 0:38:22.840 I haven't heard because it was under my wife's account 0:38:22.880 --> 0:38:23.320 or whatever. 0:38:23.420 --> 0:38:25.680 But I was like, this is how. 0:38:25.600 --> 0:38:27.100 They get it. And that's why I hate shopping. I 0:38:27.260 --> 0:38:28.080 hate it all. 0:38:28.480 --> 0:38:31.140 Online, I can be like, that looks good. And then 0:38:31.180 --> 0:38:32.870 if I don't like it, I can send it back. 0:38:32.890 --> 0:38:34.390 I get all my clothes at Target and Costco. 0:38:34.410 --> 0:38:38.030 I get all my clothes at Target and Costco, and I'm. 0:38:37.930 --> 0:38:40.210 Totally fine with that. I'm absolutely fine with that. 0:38:40.620 --> 0:38:43.220 My parents would get all their clothes at Costco until 0:38:43.260 --> 0:38:44.879 they like boarded the plane one time and they saw 0:38:45.000 --> 0:38:47.069 everybody was wearing the same. Fine with me. 0:38:47.210 --> 0:38:50.469 I want silver jumpsuits and boots for everybody. I want 0:38:50.510 --> 0:38:53.390 us all to be wearing a universal thing. Nobody has 0:38:53.410 --> 0:38:55.819 to think about it. You put on a uniform and 0:38:55.900 --> 0:38:58.220 that's your, I would be so happy with that. 0:38:58.380 --> 0:38:59.399 No, make a zine. 0:39:02.620 --> 0:39:05.400 There's images of me in clothes I wish I could wear, 0:39:05.460 --> 0:39:07.440 but I'm stuck in this Will Friedle uniform. 0:39:07.460 --> 0:39:09.080 Thank you. Oh, my God. Everybody's going to be so 0:39:09.120 --> 0:39:12.049 happy in my universe. You have no idea. Free cigarettes 0:39:12.070 --> 0:39:12.589 for everybody. 0:39:12.620 --> 0:39:15.670 It's funny, because Indy's not going to a middle school 0:39:15.690 --> 0:39:17.870 with uniforms, but a lot of his friends are, and 0:39:17.910 --> 0:39:18.910 I love it. Me too. 0:39:18.950 --> 0:39:19.830 I'm totally into it. 0:39:19.830 --> 0:39:20.690 I'm like, you know what? 0:39:20.950 --> 0:39:23.090 That makes perfect sense. You don't have to think about it. 0:39:23.170 --> 0:39:26.470 Just make it easy. Don't remove this from childhood, because 0:39:26.530 --> 0:39:27.950 it's like, this is not the place. 0:39:28.310 --> 0:39:28.950 I do agree. 0:39:29.090 --> 0:39:29.860 Whereas when I was a kid. 0:39:30.310 --> 0:39:31.830 Like think about me on Boy Meets World. 0:39:32.450 --> 0:39:35.010 I would have been like uniforms of the death of independence. 0:39:35.030 --> 0:39:37.680 Independence and originality and self, even though I wasn't a 0:39:37.739 --> 0:39:40.880 fashion person, I would have railed against that as a kid. 0:39:41.040 --> 0:39:43.000 But now, that's a great idea. 0:39:43.020 --> 0:39:44.500 I think we should all be in uniforms. 0:39:44.600 --> 0:39:46.920 I do think for kids to take it out of 0:39:46.980 --> 0:39:49.979 the equation when you are trying to, there's already so 0:39:50.040 --> 0:39:51.960 many things you are battling. 0:39:51.980 --> 0:39:53.700 It's also what you can afford, the kids who can't 0:39:53.739 --> 0:39:56.549 afford other things. Put them all in the same thing. 0:39:56.610 --> 0:39:58.650 Put them all in the same thing until you get 0:39:58.690 --> 0:40:01.509 old enough and then you get this wonderful experience that we. 0:40:01.450 --> 0:40:04.870 Had figuring out what the hell do I like? How 0:40:04.910 --> 0:40:05.850 do I style myself? 0:40:05.870 --> 0:40:07.780 And your kids would just put on their uniforms every morning, 0:40:07.820 --> 0:40:12.700 look at themselves in the mirror and go. 0:40:15.170 --> 0:40:17.469 Thank you all for joining us for this episode of 0:40:17.510 --> 0:40:18.450 Pod Meets World. 0:40:18.469 --> 0:40:19.489 We will catch you next time.