WEBVTT - Denied By SCOTUS, Ghislaine  Maxwell Has One Final Option, Will Trump Save Her? 

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<v Speaker 1>Hey there, folks. It is Monday, October sixth, and for

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<v Speaker 1>all intents and purposes, that is it for Gallaine Maxwell.

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<v Speaker 1>But she has maybe one shot left at freedom. Will

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<v Speaker 1>Trump give it to her? Welcome to this episode of

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<v Speaker 1>Amy and TJ. Look, no legal expert, A lot of

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<v Speaker 1>stuff can happen. But now after a Supreme Court says nope,

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<v Speaker 1>we're not going to know this to UK's either, Gallaine Maxwell,

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<v Speaker 1>she essentially has one shot left.

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<v Speaker 2>Her only shot is from President Trump, who has been

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<v Speaker 2>desperately trying to distance himself from Gallainne Maxwell from Jeffrey

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<v Speaker 2>Epstein for months now. So the idea that he would

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<v Speaker 2>then give her some sort of a pardon or clemency

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<v Speaker 2>or some sort of get out of jail free card.

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<v Speaker 2>What that would do to not just him, but any

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<v Speaker 2>MAGA politician who aligned himself or herself with Trump following

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<v Speaker 2>up the decision? I mean it would be political suicide,

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<v Speaker 2>is what I'm trying to get. And I know he

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<v Speaker 2>technically doesn't have an opportunity to run for reelection. He

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<v Speaker 2>certainly doesn't want his base turning on him the way

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<v Speaker 2>they have, or they did at least initially with the

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<v Speaker 2>Epstein file. Should they won't, they will they be released saga.

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<v Speaker 1>But don't you think nothing. It seems okay, this is

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<v Speaker 1>us from the outside, just speaking on what we see,

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<v Speaker 1>and what we see upsets him. It seems like nothing

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<v Speaker 1>irks him more than constantly being affiliated with Jeffrey Epstein.

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<v Speaker 2>That's right, And I think, yes, that might come from

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<v Speaker 2>a personal place. But also he's very well aware that

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<v Speaker 2>this is a serious issue with the people who are

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<v Speaker 2>closest to the people who follow him, who vote for him,

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<v Speaker 2>who are at his rallies. These are the very group

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<v Speaker 2>of people who want total transparency, they want justice, and

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<v Speaker 2>they certainly don't want President Trump doing anything to help

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<v Speaker 2>Gallaine Maxwell at this point.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, So, and the Supreme Court doesn't want to

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<v Speaker 1>help either, because that's the news today, folks. Gallainne Maxwell, who,

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<v Speaker 1>of course, the convicted sex offender. She has been convicted

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<v Speaker 1>of several crimes associated with Jeffrey Epstein, also the convicted

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<v Speaker 1>sex offender now dead by Elaine Maxwell, was trying has

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<v Speaker 1>been trying for years to get her convictions thrown out,

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<v Speaker 1>her argument being that she was a part of an

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<v Speaker 1>immunity agreement that Jeffrey Epstein had well, she appealed that

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<v Speaker 1>appellate court listened and said, nope, let the conviction stand.

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<v Speaker 1>She then appealed that appellate decision up to the Supreme Court.

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<v Speaker 1>And today Robes, they said the same thing they did.

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<v Speaker 2>And she was hoping that because Jeffrey Epstein got this

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<v Speaker 2>sweetheart dealer, or at least that's how it's been referred

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<v Speaker 2>to in two thousand and seven.

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<v Speaker 1>Exactly, of course that's what it is.

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<v Speaker 2>But it is, you know, basically saying anyone of his

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<v Speaker 2>cohorts or anyone who helped him also would be immune

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<v Speaker 2>from any sort of future convictions. However, that was in

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<v Speaker 2>the state of Florida. There was nothing that precluded the

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<v Speaker 2>State of New York from pursuing the charges that it did.

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<v Speaker 2>And of course, yes, to remind everyone, she is serving

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<v Speaker 2>twenty years for conspiring with Jeffrey Epstein to sexually abuse minors.

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<v Speaker 2>It is a serious crime, it is a violent crime,

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<v Speaker 2>and it is one that she was found guilty of

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<v Speaker 2>by a jury of her peers.

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<v Speaker 1>Again, this one is and you correct me if this

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<v Speaker 1>sounds wrong, Rose, but she the argument she's been making

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<v Speaker 1>in court is not one about her innocence.

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<v Speaker 2>No, it's not.

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<v Speaker 1>She's making an argument, a technical argument about this immunity deal.

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<v Speaker 1>The language is down there. I put it in there somewhere,

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<v Speaker 1>the language of the immunity deal. Yes, the United States

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<v Speaker 1>will also agree that it will not institute any criminal

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<v Speaker 1>charges against any potential co conspirators of Epstein. That was

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<v Speaker 1>in his non prosecution agreement. Like you said, Robes in Florida. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>that's great, but it's we ain't got to listen to that.

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<v Speaker 1>We're not bound by that in New York and nowhere

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<v Speaker 1>else in the world is bound by that. And that's

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<v Speaker 1>the argument she's been trying to make. Capella judges said, no,

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<v Speaker 1>this cotis Supreme Court. They we only want to hear it.

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<v Speaker 1>They did not have to rule on anything. They just said, nah,

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<v Speaker 1>this is not one we're going to take up.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I mean the fact that they even considered her appeal,

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<v Speaker 2>because this wasn't typically when they would do something like

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<v Speaker 2>this was newsworthy in and of itself, but certainly this

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<v Speaker 2>was done before they typically start their new court term

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<v Speaker 2>where they discussed which court cases to take on. So

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<v Speaker 2>them doing this out of session, so to speak, or

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<v Speaker 2>when they traditionally do it was unusual, But now it's

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<v Speaker 2>been put to bed. She has no other option, She

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<v Speaker 2>has no other road to go down to try and

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<v Speaker 2>up end the conviction she was handed in twenty twenty one.

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<v Speaker 1>You're right, that made headlines at the time because they woo,

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<v Speaker 1>something must be cooking here if they're taking this up,

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<v Speaker 1>and it was out of the ordinary, it was. It

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<v Speaker 1>was a big headline, so we thought something might be

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<v Speaker 1>coming they did.

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<v Speaker 2>Nah, Certainly, we saw several things happen when we saw

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<v Speaker 2>a Deputy Attorney General Blanche meet with her, have those

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<v Speaker 2>hours long conversations with her, to which we listened to

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<v Speaker 2>hours of that conversation, or at least certainly the transcripts

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<v Speaker 2>we read them. And you know, you said she wasn't

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<v Speaker 2>denying it, or at least that wasn't the basis for

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<v Speaker 2>this appeal to the Supreme Court. But she does vehemently

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<v Speaker 2>deny all of her conviction. She says she it was

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<v Speaker 2>mischaracterized and she didn't know what was going on, YadA YadA, YadA,

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<v Speaker 2>YadA YadA. But the concern was that because she was

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<v Speaker 2>talking with the Trump administration, because she then seemingly got

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<v Speaker 2>some favors handed down to her, which we can get into,

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<v Speaker 2>there was concern that perhaps there was some sort of

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<v Speaker 2>backhanded thing going on where the Supreme Court might suddenly

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<v Speaker 2>take up her argument that she shouldn't have been convicted

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<v Speaker 2>in the first place.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what the conspiracy theorist right there. However, there were

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<v Speaker 1>some facts that were lining up to make a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of people go, wait a second, what is going on?

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<v Speaker 1>What did you call the prison she's at now it's

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<v Speaker 1>called something, Oh gosh, club fed, club fed, club fed,

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<v Speaker 1>club fed. So already folks think about the interview she

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<v Speaker 1>did with ag Blanche. We got those transcripts, we heard

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<v Speaker 1>the audio tapes and whatnot, so it's out there. But

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<v Speaker 1>one of the biggest headlines of the thing that came

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<v Speaker 1>across is she was adamant never saw Trump do anything wrong,

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<v Speaker 1>never saw him do anything inappropriate, like she repeated it,

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<v Speaker 1>and she was gushing in her praise of him. I

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<v Speaker 1>understand she's trying to get a pardon, but that coupled

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<v Speaker 1>with the president. Now, if she had a chance of

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<v Speaker 1>getting a pardon, I don't think, given where he is

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<v Speaker 1>and where I don't, I don't think. I think her

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<v Speaker 1>chances went way way way down.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, given the court of public opinion. I mean, certainly

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<v Speaker 2>most politicians will read the tea leaves, they will check

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<v Speaker 2>where the wind's coming from, and they will adjust their

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<v Speaker 2>sales accordingly. He has permanently affixed his sales as far

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<v Speaker 2>away from anything to do with Jeffrey Epstein Gallainne Maxwell.

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<v Speaker 2>And even despite all of his ever to try and

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<v Speaker 2>change the conversation or change the news headlines, it k

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<v Speaker 2>kept coming back to this. So I just can't imagine

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<v Speaker 2>there would be a scenario in which he would want

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<v Speaker 2>to in any way be a part of Glene Maxwell

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<v Speaker 2>getting any sort of deal. However, I was shocked. We

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<v Speaker 2>were all shocked. In the middle of all of the criticism,

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<v Speaker 2>we did see her move to a much different facility.

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<v Speaker 1>And nobody could explain why.

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<v Speaker 2>Nobody has explained why still, and this has been months.

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<v Speaker 1>Nobody knows why this was outside of normal procedure. Why

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<v Speaker 1>is she there? Nobody to understand. And again, this is

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<v Speaker 1>a place for non violent folks. She is a violent

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<v Speaker 1>sex offender. That is how she's classified, and that type

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<v Speaker 1>of prisoner or whatever, that classification is not one that

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<v Speaker 1>would be just walking around roaming freely for the most

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<v Speaker 1>part at this club fed I can't remember what town

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<v Speaker 1>it's in. Down there, but it's a.

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<v Speaker 2>It's in Texas.

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<v Speaker 1>It's kind of not a certainly not maximum security, but

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<v Speaker 1>it kind of roam free. Was there a degree, Well,

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<v Speaker 1>it is the I apologize that's not what I'm meant,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's one of these kind of open it's kind

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<v Speaker 1>of not just fenced in.

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<v Speaker 2>One hundred percent.

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<v Speaker 1>That is the case.

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<v Speaker 2>And so this is it's called a federal prison camp

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<v Speaker 2>and it's in Brian, Texas, and so yes, there is

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<v Speaker 2>much lacks er security. I believe they said this is

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<v Speaker 2>the lowest security of all of the federal prison systems,

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<v Speaker 2>and this is for non violent offenders. So the fact

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<v Speaker 2>that she's in there with her violent convictions is something

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<v Speaker 2>that a lot of this is all reportedly coming from

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<v Speaker 2>other fellow prisoners. They were not happy about being housed

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<v Speaker 2>now with somebody who is in a very different category

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<v Speaker 2>than they are, So that didn't seem fair to any

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<v Speaker 2>of the other folks who were there. Elizabeth, Elizabeth Holmes

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<v Speaker 2>is there. How did I forget her last name? That's funny,

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<v Speaker 2>but that's the type of criminal. It's a high profile crime, certainly,

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<v Speaker 2>but this was one. This was a white collar crime,

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<v Speaker 2>as they say it. So that's typically what you see

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<v Speaker 2>in this prison, so it is highly unusual and it

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<v Speaker 2>has raised a lot of brows that she is at

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<v Speaker 2>this prison camp.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, do I have it right? Wasn't it the exact

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<v Speaker 1>same weekend, the very weekend after the interviews with ag Blanche?

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<v Speaker 2>It would be hard to give a reason, and that's

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<v Speaker 2>probably why they didn't give a reason as to why

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<v Speaker 2>or even speaking to the timing of this move was made.

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<v Speaker 2>And they just I think they did say there were

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<v Speaker 2>sources who came out and said, hey, this was a

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<v Speaker 2>matter of security. She has threats against her life. This

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<v Speaker 2>was what was best for everyone, and the Bureau of

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<v Speaker 2>Prisons made the decision to move this prisoner where they

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<v Speaker 2>deemed it to be safest and best. And that was

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<v Speaker 2>kind of the end of it. But of course we

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<v Speaker 2>have lots of journalists asking questions about the next steps

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<v Speaker 2>for Galaine and what may happen.

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<v Speaker 1>I forgot, We've never got the answer to that. I'll

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<v Speaker 1>speculate for a second, Say he pardons her, what's that

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<v Speaker 1>backlash going to be. What's how explosive of a revolt

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<v Speaker 1>would it be?

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<v Speaker 2>Look, I think right now he's still dealing with statues

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<v Speaker 2>being put up on the National Mall with him holding

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<v Speaker 2>hands and frolicking with Jeffrey Epstein people constantly. I love

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<v Speaker 2>that verd when it comes to the statue because that

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<v Speaker 2>is exactly what it depicts, frolicking. When he went to

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<v Speaker 2>the UK, he has, you know, pictures of him and

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<v Speaker 2>Jeffrey Epstein and even Malania up there with Epstein greeting him.

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<v Speaker 2>Actually cast onto a huge castle for all to see.

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<v Speaker 2>Windsor castle. I mean, everywhere he goes in the world,

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<v Speaker 2>he is being hounded and shadowed by these images of him.

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<v Speaker 2>Whether people have to put up a screen show on

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<v Speaker 2>a castle or a big ten foot statue on the

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<v Speaker 2>National Mall, this is something he cannot shake. So I

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<v Speaker 2>can't imagine he would want to invite more criticism and

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<v Speaker 2>almost confirm the suspicions that are out there.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think, look, I was thrown off a little bit,

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<v Speaker 1>but I couldn't really believe the backlash. We talk about

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<v Speaker 1>his base and I think he said was the line

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<v Speaker 1>he said, I could choose somebody in the middle of

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<v Speaker 1>the highway of the Fifth Avenue.

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<v Speaker 2>I believe he said.

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<v Speaker 1>And my folks was still vote for me, whatever it was.

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<v Speaker 1>But this is one of those things. We always think

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<v Speaker 1>he's just no matter what he does, they're gonna stick

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<v Speaker 1>with their guy. I was surprised at how many people

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<v Speaker 1>just by them saying we're not gonna release any more files,

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<v Speaker 1>there is no list, and oh, by the way, confirmed

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<v Speaker 1>he killed himself. Just stating those three things was enough

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<v Speaker 1>that folks lost it. To then pardon this lady.

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<v Speaker 2>That would just be I can't imagine anyone could. I

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<v Speaker 2>know he thinks, and he has certainly been able to

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<v Speaker 2>keep a loyal following despite a lot of stuff that's

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<v Speaker 2>come out. This might be the nail in his coffin

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<v Speaker 2>if he went this way. Now here's the interesting thing.

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<v Speaker 2>You have these reporters asking questions of the White House.

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<v Speaker 2>They have never flat out said no, President Trump is

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<v Speaker 2>not going to pardon Gallainne Maxwell. They have never even

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<v Speaker 2>indicated that. And in fact, when ask again today there

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<v Speaker 2>was a vague response.

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<v Speaker 1>Well how vague.

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<v Speaker 2>It was pretty vague. This is what and this is

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<v Speaker 2>similar to what we've heard before. When White House Press

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<v Speaker 2>Secretary Carolyn Levitt told reporters today October six that she

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<v Speaker 2>was unaware if Trump had been asked to pardon Maxwell,

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<v Speaker 2>saying it's not something I've heard discussed.

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<v Speaker 1>So this saying it hasn't even come up, so it's not.

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<v Speaker 2>No, she's saying she hasn't heard of it being discussed.

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<v Speaker 2>Doesn't mean it didn't happen, or it hasn't been discussed

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<v Speaker 2>or isn't being discussed.

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<v Speaker 1>She's doing that plausible deniability thing. They left her out

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<v Speaker 1>of it on purpose, maybe suggesting vague. I mean, what

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<v Speaker 1>is I cannot remember the answers they've given.

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<v Speaker 2>Something similar to that. Trump has said, no one's asked me.

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<v Speaker 2>I haven't heard anything. So that's kind of and so

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<v Speaker 2>I think that is interesting because of course it doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>shut the door completely on it. And then Carolyn Levitt

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<v Speaker 2>did follow up with this, we don't comment on clemency

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<v Speaker 2>requests that may or may not have been made.

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<v Speaker 1>But when they were asked about Diddy, he started talking

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<v Speaker 1>and said, you know what, they haven't asked me yet.

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<v Speaker 1>It might be I like some of use it Dada.

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<v Speaker 1>So we shall see now as we're discussing this here

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<v Speaker 1>what it seems to everybody. Yes, the Supreme Court told

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<v Speaker 1>her No, she is out at least of legal options

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<v Speaker 1>when it comes to this appeal. However, we will tell

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<v Speaker 1>you after this what her attorney says they want to

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<v Speaker 1>do now moving forward, They at least think they've got

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<v Speaker 1>some maybe vague options too.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome okay, I.

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<v Speaker 1>I had done so well.

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't say welcome aback for at least three weeks.

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<v Speaker 2>But there I go again.

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<v Speaker 1>Shu kept up with me.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome back to I hope you're not taken aback, but

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<v Speaker 2>welcome back to Amy and DJ. We are talking about

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<v Speaker 2>the Supreme Courts. Fairly interesting and big decision today to

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<v Speaker 2>not consider Glainne Maxwell's appealed to her twenty twenty one conviction.

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<v Speaker 2>She felt like the immunity deal that Jeffrey Epstein struck

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<v Speaker 2>back in two thousand and seven should basically nullify the

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<v Speaker 2>conviction she had by the State of New York. But hey,

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<v Speaker 2>that was the state of Florida where that deal was struck,

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<v Speaker 2>not the State of New York. Supreme Court didn't rule

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<v Speaker 2>on its validity or not. They just said, we're not

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<v Speaker 2>even going to consider it at this point.

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<v Speaker 1>Rejection. I mean, that's got to say something about the case.

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<v Speaker 2>We don't even want to hear what you have to say.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the ultimate. Yeah, no, thanks, We're just not interested.

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<v Speaker 1>You may have seem so personal with that, because we've

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<v Speaker 1>all been victim of that in some way form of fashion.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe it was a mother, maybe it was somebody you

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<v Speaker 1>were dating, don't even.

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<v Speaker 2>Want to hear Yes, oh yeah, I did hear that

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<v Speaker 2>from my mom quite a bit. So yes, that makes

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of sense. Now everyone is pointing to her

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<v Speaker 2>only option being a Trump pardon, and we've just gone

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<v Speaker 2>over why that seems extremely highly like beyond any realm

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<v Speaker 2>of possibility that Trump would ever consider that. If he

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<v Speaker 2>understands what the political temperature is about this and this subject,

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<v Speaker 2>he wants to get it far away from this as possible.

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<v Speaker 1>But they think they have some options. Now we don't

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<v Speaker 1>know what they could be. These would have to be

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<v Speaker 1>hail Mary's of some kind. But whatever option she has now,

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<v Speaker 1>it would be almost flucish, if you will. It would

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<v Speaker 1>have to be some deal somewhere that she struck.

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<v Speaker 2>Now.

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<v Speaker 1>Her attorney made an interesting comment after this, talking about

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<v Speaker 1>the disappointment, but said, quote, the fight isn't over. Serious

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<v Speaker 1>legal and factual issues remain, and we will continue to

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<v Speaker 1>pursue every happnue available to ensure that justice is done.

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<v Speaker 1>Not exactly sure what that means, Not exactly sure what

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<v Speaker 1>those options could be, but they say they're not just

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<v Speaker 1>gonna sit around and wait for this sentence to be over.

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<v Speaker 1>She's still trying to get out of prison.

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<v Speaker 2>So the problem is she's perjured herself before, and so

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<v Speaker 2>anything that she says, it's just incredibly difficult to believe

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<v Speaker 2>at this point. And do most of us believe she knows?

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<v Speaker 2>And do the victims say she knows? They absolutely concur

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<v Speaker 2>that she does. But all of them have I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>those who are speaking out have all said everything that

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<v Speaker 2>comes out of her mouth is a lie.

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<v Speaker 1>And I mean, now she has an incentive to say

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<v Speaker 1>exactly what she needs to say that benefits her. That's

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<v Speaker 1>one thing people are pointing to that look members of Congress,

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<v Speaker 1>they they have to answer to their constituents. They have

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<v Speaker 1>to get themselves on news, they have to look like

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<v Speaker 1>they're tough on crime. If they want to bring her

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<v Speaker 1>to Capitol Hill have her testify, what kind of deal

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<v Speaker 1>can be struck? I actually don't know, but that's an

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<v Speaker 1>option at least that was on the table. The possibility

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<v Speaker 1>were so desperate to get information from this lady that

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<v Speaker 1>they were willing to cut a deal.

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<v Speaker 2>The only I was just going over in my head.

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<v Speaker 2>What would be any sort of motivation for President Trump

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<v Speaker 2>to pardon her or give her a get out of

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<v Speaker 2>jail free card, even at the end of his presidency,

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<v Speaker 2>as so many presidents do. They'll just drop huge, huge

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<v Speaker 2>pardon bombs on their way out. But what would be

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<v Speaker 2>his incentive other than the fact that she had something

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<v Speaker 2>on him that she could have given up, that she

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<v Speaker 2>could have said, that she could have thrown at him

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<v Speaker 2>and so so. Yes, But then if he did do that,

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<v Speaker 2>then everyone would put those two things together, and his legacy,

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<v Speaker 2>which you know he cares significantly about, would be blown up.

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<v Speaker 2>So it just unless there is actually something real that

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<v Speaker 2>she could be holding over his head there, I cannot

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<v Speaker 2>think of any reason why he would pardon her or

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<v Speaker 2>give her any sort of clemency.

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<v Speaker 1>She would have played that card by now, wouldn't She

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<v Speaker 1>would had something on him that if he was afraid

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<v Speaker 1>of her, exactly, I should have played that card a

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<v Speaker 1>while ago.

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<v Speaker 2>And for all the folks, you know, a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>people it's interesting, have all talked about what she knows,

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<v Speaker 2>and certainly she knows more than anyone alive could possibly know.

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<v Speaker 2>But you know, she and her lawyers say she's had

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<v Speaker 2>threats in her life. Her lawyers say she's scared for

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<v Speaker 2>her safety, so it is interesting that she was moved

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<v Speaker 2>to a lower security prison. There are so many questions

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<v Speaker 2>I have about someone who they claim is at risk

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<v Speaker 2>based on the information she may or may not have,

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<v Speaker 2>or based on the fact that people in prison don't

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<v Speaker 2>like people who mess around with young children. But there

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<v Speaker 2>are still I guess a few avenues. I don't the

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<v Speaker 2>lawyers didn't get specific, but we will be looking for

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<v Speaker 2>any sort of new headline as to whether or not

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<v Speaker 2>this she has a case going forward, if she is

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<v Speaker 2>planning on still giving any sort of information to Congress,

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<v Speaker 2>And certainly I think a lot of folks from the

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<v Speaker 2>top on down would like this to be a chapter

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<v Speaker 2>that goes away.

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<v Speaker 1>At this point, I would too, I mean, point, do

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<v Speaker 1>you ever close? This has ever done? Is there ever

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<v Speaker 1>enough information out there that satisfies the American public? Is

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<v Speaker 1>there ever enough punishment that's done? Is there ever anything

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<v Speaker 1>that's gonna make those victims feel better? I do not know,

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<v Speaker 1>but this just keeps dragging, and what they say every time,

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<v Speaker 1>it's like you're not even opening up a new of

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<v Speaker 1>the same wound. Like new wounds they keep revictimized. That's

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<v Speaker 1>what they are saying, victimized all over again by this stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>My goodness.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, maybe this is one of the final, if not

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<v Speaker 2>the final chapters in the Gallaine maxwells Sock. We shall see,

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<v Speaker 2>but thank you for listening to us, every one. I

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<v Speaker 2>made me roboch alongside TJ. Holmes. We will talk to

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<v Speaker 2>you soon.