1 00:00:02,520 --> 00:00:06,360 Speaker 1: Hey there, folks. It is Monday, October sixth, and for 2 00:00:06,519 --> 00:00:11,280 Speaker 1: all intents and purposes, that is it for Gallaine Maxwell. 3 00:00:11,840 --> 00:00:16,759 Speaker 1: But she has maybe one shot left at freedom. Will 4 00:00:16,880 --> 00:00:19,799 Speaker 1: Trump give it to her? Welcome to this episode of 5 00:00:19,880 --> 00:00:22,640 Speaker 1: Amy and TJ. Look, no legal expert, A lot of 6 00:00:22,640 --> 00:00:25,840 Speaker 1: stuff can happen. But now after a Supreme Court says nope, 7 00:00:25,920 --> 00:00:28,120 Speaker 1: we're not going to know this to UK's either, Gallaine Maxwell, 8 00:00:28,600 --> 00:00:30,040 Speaker 1: she essentially has one shot left. 9 00:00:30,280 --> 00:00:34,200 Speaker 2: Her only shot is from President Trump, who has been 10 00:00:34,520 --> 00:00:39,199 Speaker 2: desperately trying to distance himself from Gallainne Maxwell from Jeffrey 11 00:00:39,200 --> 00:00:42,920 Speaker 2: Epstein for months now. So the idea that he would 12 00:00:42,920 --> 00:00:46,160 Speaker 2: then give her some sort of a pardon or clemency 13 00:00:46,280 --> 00:00:48,080 Speaker 2: or some sort of get out of jail free card. 14 00:00:48,360 --> 00:00:52,200 Speaker 2: What that would do to not just him, but any 15 00:00:52,360 --> 00:00:57,320 Speaker 2: MAGA politician who aligned himself or herself with Trump following 16 00:00:57,400 --> 00:00:59,200 Speaker 2: up the decision? I mean it would be political suicide, 17 00:00:59,280 --> 00:01:01,880 Speaker 2: is what I'm trying to get. And I know he 18 00:01:01,920 --> 00:01:05,479 Speaker 2: technically doesn't have an opportunity to run for reelection. He 19 00:01:05,520 --> 00:01:07,680 Speaker 2: certainly doesn't want his base turning on him the way 20 00:01:07,760 --> 00:01:10,800 Speaker 2: they have, or they did at least initially with the 21 00:01:10,800 --> 00:01:14,279 Speaker 2: Epstein file. Should they won't, they will they be released saga. 22 00:01:14,360 --> 00:01:16,480 Speaker 1: But don't you think nothing. It seems okay, this is 23 00:01:16,560 --> 00:01:19,920 Speaker 1: us from the outside, just speaking on what we see, 24 00:01:19,920 --> 00:01:22,320 Speaker 1: and what we see upsets him. It seems like nothing 25 00:01:22,480 --> 00:01:26,760 Speaker 1: irks him more than constantly being affiliated with Jeffrey Epstein. 26 00:01:26,800 --> 00:01:29,479 Speaker 2: That's right, And I think, yes, that might come from 27 00:01:29,520 --> 00:01:33,160 Speaker 2: a personal place. But also he's very well aware that 28 00:01:33,480 --> 00:01:36,080 Speaker 2: this is a serious issue with the people who are 29 00:01:36,120 --> 00:01:39,559 Speaker 2: closest to the people who follow him, who vote for him, 30 00:01:39,680 --> 00:01:42,840 Speaker 2: who are at his rallies. These are the very group 31 00:01:42,880 --> 00:01:47,840 Speaker 2: of people who want total transparency, they want justice, and 32 00:01:47,880 --> 00:01:52,920 Speaker 2: they certainly don't want President Trump doing anything to help 33 00:01:53,480 --> 00:01:54,800 Speaker 2: Gallaine Maxwell at this point. 34 00:01:54,800 --> 00:01:57,120 Speaker 1: All right, So, and the Supreme Court doesn't want to 35 00:01:57,160 --> 00:02:00,400 Speaker 1: help either, because that's the news today, folks. Gallainne Maxwell, who, 36 00:02:00,440 --> 00:02:05,000 Speaker 1: of course, the convicted sex offender. She has been convicted 37 00:02:05,040 --> 00:02:08,519 Speaker 1: of several crimes associated with Jeffrey Epstein, also the convicted 38 00:02:08,600 --> 00:02:12,720 Speaker 1: sex offender now dead by Elaine Maxwell, was trying has 39 00:02:12,760 --> 00:02:16,520 Speaker 1: been trying for years to get her convictions thrown out, 40 00:02:16,600 --> 00:02:18,640 Speaker 1: her argument being that she was a part of an 41 00:02:18,639 --> 00:02:22,720 Speaker 1: immunity agreement that Jeffrey Epstein had well, she appealed that 42 00:02:22,760 --> 00:02:26,480 Speaker 1: appellate court listened and said, nope, let the conviction stand. 43 00:02:26,560 --> 00:02:29,680 Speaker 1: She then appealed that appellate decision up to the Supreme Court. 44 00:02:29,720 --> 00:02:33,200 Speaker 1: And today Robes, they said the same thing they did. 45 00:02:33,360 --> 00:02:36,920 Speaker 2: And she was hoping that because Jeffrey Epstein got this 46 00:02:37,120 --> 00:02:39,680 Speaker 2: sweetheart dealer, or at least that's how it's been referred 47 00:02:39,680 --> 00:02:41,040 Speaker 2: to in two thousand and seven. 48 00:02:40,880 --> 00:02:42,480 Speaker 1: Exactly, of course that's what it is. 49 00:02:42,560 --> 00:02:46,760 Speaker 2: But it is, you know, basically saying anyone of his 50 00:02:46,800 --> 00:02:49,679 Speaker 2: cohorts or anyone who helped him also would be immune 51 00:02:49,720 --> 00:02:53,080 Speaker 2: from any sort of future convictions. However, that was in 52 00:02:53,120 --> 00:02:56,720 Speaker 2: the state of Florida. There was nothing that precluded the 53 00:02:56,760 --> 00:02:59,400 Speaker 2: State of New York from pursuing the charges that it did. 54 00:02:59,480 --> 00:03:01,680 Speaker 2: And of course, yes, to remind everyone, she is serving 55 00:03:01,720 --> 00:03:06,400 Speaker 2: twenty years for conspiring with Jeffrey Epstein to sexually abuse minors. 56 00:03:06,440 --> 00:03:08,920 Speaker 2: It is a serious crime, it is a violent crime, 57 00:03:09,560 --> 00:03:12,560 Speaker 2: and it is one that she was found guilty of 58 00:03:13,280 --> 00:03:15,000 Speaker 2: by a jury of her peers. 59 00:03:15,120 --> 00:03:17,519 Speaker 1: Again, this one is and you correct me if this 60 00:03:17,639 --> 00:03:21,560 Speaker 1: sounds wrong, Rose, but she the argument she's been making 61 00:03:21,680 --> 00:03:24,160 Speaker 1: in court is not one about her innocence. 62 00:03:24,480 --> 00:03:25,240 Speaker 2: No, it's not. 63 00:03:25,320 --> 00:03:29,679 Speaker 1: She's making an argument, a technical argument about this immunity deal. 64 00:03:29,720 --> 00:03:32,960 Speaker 1: The language is down there. I put it in there somewhere, 65 00:03:32,960 --> 00:03:35,800 Speaker 1: the language of the immunity deal. Yes, the United States 66 00:03:35,840 --> 00:03:38,880 Speaker 1: will also agree that it will not institute any criminal 67 00:03:38,960 --> 00:03:43,800 Speaker 1: charges against any potential co conspirators of Epstein. That was 68 00:03:43,920 --> 00:03:48,480 Speaker 1: in his non prosecution agreement. Like you said, Robes in Florida. Now, 69 00:03:48,520 --> 00:03:51,840 Speaker 1: that's great, but it's we ain't got to listen to that. 70 00:03:52,160 --> 00:03:54,880 Speaker 1: We're not bound by that in New York and nowhere 71 00:03:54,920 --> 00:03:57,000 Speaker 1: else in the world is bound by that. And that's 72 00:03:57,040 --> 00:03:59,760 Speaker 1: the argument she's been trying to make. Capella judges said, no, 73 00:03:59,800 --> 00:04:02,680 Speaker 1: this cotis Supreme Court. They we only want to hear it. 74 00:04:03,840 --> 00:04:08,080 Speaker 1: They did not have to rule on anything. They just said, nah, 75 00:04:08,240 --> 00:04:09,600 Speaker 1: this is not one we're going to take up. 76 00:04:09,720 --> 00:04:12,400 Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean the fact that they even considered her appeal, 77 00:04:13,320 --> 00:04:16,000 Speaker 2: because this wasn't typically when they would do something like 78 00:04:16,040 --> 00:04:20,560 Speaker 2: this was newsworthy in and of itself, but certainly this 79 00:04:20,720 --> 00:04:23,280 Speaker 2: was done before they typically start their new court term 80 00:04:23,320 --> 00:04:25,880 Speaker 2: where they discussed which court cases to take on. So 81 00:04:26,000 --> 00:04:28,640 Speaker 2: them doing this out of session, so to speak, or 82 00:04:28,720 --> 00:04:31,960 Speaker 2: when they traditionally do it was unusual, But now it's 83 00:04:32,000 --> 00:04:35,120 Speaker 2: been put to bed. She has no other option, She 84 00:04:35,160 --> 00:04:37,640 Speaker 2: has no other road to go down to try and 85 00:04:37,960 --> 00:04:41,720 Speaker 2: up end the conviction she was handed in twenty twenty one. 86 00:04:41,760 --> 00:04:44,920 Speaker 1: You're right, that made headlines at the time because they woo, 87 00:04:45,480 --> 00:04:48,000 Speaker 1: something must be cooking here if they're taking this up, 88 00:04:48,000 --> 00:04:49,520 Speaker 1: and it was out of the ordinary, it was. It 89 00:04:49,560 --> 00:04:52,159 Speaker 1: was a big headline, so we thought something might be 90 00:04:52,200 --> 00:04:53,440 Speaker 1: coming they did. 91 00:04:53,600 --> 00:04:57,359 Speaker 2: Nah, Certainly, we saw several things happen when we saw 92 00:04:57,440 --> 00:05:00,520 Speaker 2: a Deputy Attorney General Blanche meet with her, have those 93 00:05:00,640 --> 00:05:03,280 Speaker 2: hours long conversations with her, to which we listened to 94 00:05:04,080 --> 00:05:07,560 Speaker 2: hours of that conversation, or at least certainly the transcripts 95 00:05:07,640 --> 00:05:10,839 Speaker 2: we read them. And you know, you said she wasn't 96 00:05:11,080 --> 00:05:13,480 Speaker 2: denying it, or at least that wasn't the basis for 97 00:05:13,560 --> 00:05:16,560 Speaker 2: this appeal to the Supreme Court. But she does vehemently 98 00:05:16,800 --> 00:05:20,640 Speaker 2: deny all of her conviction. She says she it was 99 00:05:20,720 --> 00:05:24,560 Speaker 2: mischaracterized and she didn't know what was going on, YadA YadA, YadA, 100 00:05:24,600 --> 00:05:27,600 Speaker 2: YadA YadA. But the concern was that because she was 101 00:05:27,600 --> 00:05:32,520 Speaker 2: talking with the Trump administration, because she then seemingly got 102 00:05:32,680 --> 00:05:35,919 Speaker 2: some favors handed down to her, which we can get into, 103 00:05:36,279 --> 00:05:38,720 Speaker 2: there was concern that perhaps there was some sort of 104 00:05:39,600 --> 00:05:42,640 Speaker 2: backhanded thing going on where the Supreme Court might suddenly 105 00:05:42,680 --> 00:05:45,479 Speaker 2: take up her argument that she shouldn't have been convicted 106 00:05:45,480 --> 00:05:46,240 Speaker 2: in the first place. 107 00:05:46,600 --> 00:05:50,040 Speaker 1: That's what the conspiracy theorist right there. However, there were 108 00:05:50,120 --> 00:05:52,240 Speaker 1: some facts that were lining up to make a lot 109 00:05:52,279 --> 00:05:54,480 Speaker 1: of people go, wait a second, what is going on? 110 00:05:55,160 --> 00:05:57,000 Speaker 1: What did you call the prison she's at now it's 111 00:05:57,000 --> 00:06:02,000 Speaker 1: called something, Oh gosh, club fed, club fed, club fed, 112 00:06:02,120 --> 00:06:06,280 Speaker 1: club fed. So already folks think about the interview she 113 00:06:06,320 --> 00:06:09,039 Speaker 1: did with ag Blanche. We got those transcripts, we heard 114 00:06:09,080 --> 00:06:11,560 Speaker 1: the audio tapes and whatnot, so it's out there. But 115 00:06:11,800 --> 00:06:13,680 Speaker 1: one of the biggest headlines of the thing that came 116 00:06:13,720 --> 00:06:18,040 Speaker 1: across is she was adamant never saw Trump do anything wrong, 117 00:06:18,440 --> 00:06:21,960 Speaker 1: never saw him do anything inappropriate, like she repeated it, 118 00:06:22,000 --> 00:06:24,680 Speaker 1: and she was gushing in her praise of him. I 119 00:06:24,800 --> 00:06:28,840 Speaker 1: understand she's trying to get a pardon, but that coupled 120 00:06:28,880 --> 00:06:32,400 Speaker 1: with the president. Now, if she had a chance of 121 00:06:32,440 --> 00:06:36,359 Speaker 1: getting a pardon, I don't think, given where he is 122 00:06:36,400 --> 00:06:38,120 Speaker 1: and where I don't, I don't think. I think her 123 00:06:38,160 --> 00:06:39,480 Speaker 1: chances went way way way down. 124 00:06:39,600 --> 00:06:42,400 Speaker 2: Oh, given the court of public opinion. I mean, certainly 125 00:06:42,839 --> 00:06:47,440 Speaker 2: most politicians will read the tea leaves, they will check 126 00:06:47,560 --> 00:06:49,840 Speaker 2: where the wind's coming from, and they will adjust their 127 00:06:49,880 --> 00:06:53,960 Speaker 2: sales accordingly. He has permanently affixed his sales as far 128 00:06:54,000 --> 00:06:58,359 Speaker 2: away from anything to do with Jeffrey Epstein Gallainne Maxwell. 129 00:06:58,360 --> 00:07:00,599 Speaker 2: And even despite all of his ever to try and 130 00:07:00,680 --> 00:07:03,320 Speaker 2: change the conversation or change the news headlines, it k 131 00:07:03,600 --> 00:07:05,680 Speaker 2: kept coming back to this. So I just can't imagine 132 00:07:05,680 --> 00:07:07,839 Speaker 2: there would be a scenario in which he would want 133 00:07:07,880 --> 00:07:10,800 Speaker 2: to in any way be a part of Glene Maxwell 134 00:07:10,800 --> 00:07:15,200 Speaker 2: getting any sort of deal. However, I was shocked. We 135 00:07:15,200 --> 00:07:18,440 Speaker 2: were all shocked. In the middle of all of the criticism, 136 00:07:18,880 --> 00:07:24,760 Speaker 2: we did see her move to a much different facility. 137 00:07:24,880 --> 00:07:26,520 Speaker 1: And nobody could explain why. 138 00:07:26,880 --> 00:07:29,440 Speaker 2: Nobody has explained why still, and this has been months. 139 00:07:29,480 --> 00:07:33,720 Speaker 1: Nobody knows why this was outside of normal procedure. Why 140 00:07:33,760 --> 00:07:35,440 Speaker 1: is she there? Nobody to understand. And again, this is 141 00:07:35,480 --> 00:07:38,160 Speaker 1: a place for non violent folks. She is a violent 142 00:07:38,320 --> 00:07:41,239 Speaker 1: sex offender. That is how she's classified, and that type 143 00:07:41,240 --> 00:07:43,400 Speaker 1: of prisoner or whatever, that classification is not one that 144 00:07:43,400 --> 00:07:46,680 Speaker 1: would be just walking around roaming freely for the most 145 00:07:46,720 --> 00:07:49,240 Speaker 1: part at this club fed I can't remember what town 146 00:07:49,280 --> 00:07:50,400 Speaker 1: it's in. Down there, but it's a. 147 00:07:50,560 --> 00:07:51,440 Speaker 2: It's in Texas. 148 00:07:51,520 --> 00:07:54,040 Speaker 1: It's kind of not a certainly not maximum security, but 149 00:07:54,960 --> 00:07:58,000 Speaker 1: it kind of roam free. Was there a degree, Well, 150 00:07:57,360 --> 00:08:02,760 Speaker 1: it is the I apologize that's not what I'm meant, 151 00:08:02,800 --> 00:08:04,840 Speaker 1: but it's one of these kind of open it's kind 152 00:08:04,840 --> 00:08:06,120 Speaker 1: of not just fenced in. 153 00:08:06,360 --> 00:08:07,240 Speaker 2: One hundred percent. 154 00:08:07,320 --> 00:08:08,040 Speaker 1: That is the case. 155 00:08:08,120 --> 00:08:10,720 Speaker 2: And so this is it's called a federal prison camp 156 00:08:11,040 --> 00:08:15,360 Speaker 2: and it's in Brian, Texas, and so yes, there is 157 00:08:15,840 --> 00:08:18,080 Speaker 2: much lacks er security. I believe they said this is 158 00:08:18,120 --> 00:08:22,280 Speaker 2: the lowest security of all of the federal prison systems, 159 00:08:22,360 --> 00:08:24,920 Speaker 2: and this is for non violent offenders. So the fact 160 00:08:24,920 --> 00:08:28,520 Speaker 2: that she's in there with her violent convictions is something 161 00:08:28,520 --> 00:08:30,840 Speaker 2: that a lot of this is all reportedly coming from 162 00:08:30,880 --> 00:08:33,560 Speaker 2: other fellow prisoners. They were not happy about being housed 163 00:08:33,559 --> 00:08:36,559 Speaker 2: now with somebody who is in a very different category 164 00:08:36,600 --> 00:08:38,600 Speaker 2: than they are, So that didn't seem fair to any 165 00:08:38,600 --> 00:08:43,920 Speaker 2: of the other folks who were there. Elizabeth, Elizabeth Holmes 166 00:08:43,960 --> 00:08:46,840 Speaker 2: is there. How did I forget her last name? That's funny, 167 00:08:47,040 --> 00:08:51,320 Speaker 2: but that's the type of criminal. It's a high profile crime, certainly, 168 00:08:51,360 --> 00:08:53,920 Speaker 2: but this was one. This was a white collar crime, 169 00:08:53,960 --> 00:08:56,000 Speaker 2: as they say it. So that's typically what you see 170 00:08:56,000 --> 00:08:58,960 Speaker 2: in this prison, so it is highly unusual and it 171 00:08:59,000 --> 00:09:01,760 Speaker 2: has raised a lot of brows that she is at 172 00:09:01,800 --> 00:09:03,079 Speaker 2: this prison camp. 173 00:09:03,400 --> 00:09:05,760 Speaker 1: Okay, do I have it right? Wasn't it the exact 174 00:09:05,760 --> 00:09:09,079 Speaker 1: same weekend, the very weekend after the interviews with ag Blanche? 175 00:09:09,120 --> 00:09:11,600 Speaker 2: It would be hard to give a reason, and that's 176 00:09:11,640 --> 00:09:14,680 Speaker 2: probably why they didn't give a reason as to why 177 00:09:15,679 --> 00:09:18,559 Speaker 2: or even speaking to the timing of this move was made. 178 00:09:18,679 --> 00:09:20,720 Speaker 2: And they just I think they did say there were 179 00:09:21,240 --> 00:09:22,880 Speaker 2: sources who came out and said, hey, this was a 180 00:09:22,880 --> 00:09:25,760 Speaker 2: matter of security. She has threats against her life. This 181 00:09:25,840 --> 00:09:29,240 Speaker 2: was what was best for everyone, and the Bureau of 182 00:09:29,240 --> 00:09:31,959 Speaker 2: Prisons made the decision to move this prisoner where they 183 00:09:32,040 --> 00:09:34,719 Speaker 2: deemed it to be safest and best. And that was 184 00:09:34,840 --> 00:09:37,440 Speaker 2: kind of the end of it. But of course we 185 00:09:37,559 --> 00:09:42,320 Speaker 2: have lots of journalists asking questions about the next steps 186 00:09:42,320 --> 00:09:43,800 Speaker 2: for Galaine and what may happen. 187 00:09:43,880 --> 00:09:46,000 Speaker 1: I forgot, We've never got the answer to that. I'll 188 00:09:46,240 --> 00:09:51,679 Speaker 1: speculate for a second, Say he pardons her, what's that 189 00:09:53,040 --> 00:09:57,760 Speaker 1: backlash going to be. What's how explosive of a revolt 190 00:09:57,880 --> 00:09:58,400 Speaker 1: would it be? 191 00:09:59,360 --> 00:10:03,199 Speaker 2: Look, I think right now he's still dealing with statues 192 00:10:03,200 --> 00:10:05,720 Speaker 2: being put up on the National Mall with him holding 193 00:10:05,760 --> 00:10:10,120 Speaker 2: hands and frolicking with Jeffrey Epstein people constantly. I love 194 00:10:10,160 --> 00:10:11,880 Speaker 2: that verd when it comes to the statue because that 195 00:10:11,960 --> 00:10:15,079 Speaker 2: is exactly what it depicts, frolicking. When he went to 196 00:10:15,120 --> 00:10:18,880 Speaker 2: the UK, he has, you know, pictures of him and 197 00:10:18,960 --> 00:10:22,560 Speaker 2: Jeffrey Epstein and even Malania up there with Epstein greeting him. 198 00:10:23,280 --> 00:10:27,520 Speaker 2: Actually cast onto a huge castle for all to see. 199 00:10:27,520 --> 00:10:30,800 Speaker 2: Windsor castle. I mean, everywhere he goes in the world, 200 00:10:30,960 --> 00:10:35,400 Speaker 2: he is being hounded and shadowed by these images of him. 201 00:10:35,440 --> 00:10:38,720 Speaker 2: Whether people have to put up a screen show on 202 00:10:38,800 --> 00:10:41,679 Speaker 2: a castle or a big ten foot statue on the 203 00:10:41,720 --> 00:10:45,000 Speaker 2: National Mall, this is something he cannot shake. So I 204 00:10:45,040 --> 00:10:48,079 Speaker 2: can't imagine he would want to invite more criticism and 205 00:10:48,200 --> 00:10:50,400 Speaker 2: almost confirm the suspicions that are out there. 206 00:10:50,679 --> 00:10:53,959 Speaker 1: And I think, look, I was thrown off a little bit, 207 00:10:54,040 --> 00:10:57,800 Speaker 1: but I couldn't really believe the backlash. We talk about 208 00:10:57,800 --> 00:11:00,600 Speaker 1: his base and I think he said was the line 209 00:11:00,640 --> 00:11:01,880 Speaker 1: he said, I could choose somebody in the middle of 210 00:11:01,880 --> 00:11:03,400 Speaker 1: the highway of the Fifth Avenue. 211 00:11:03,400 --> 00:11:04,160 Speaker 2: I believe he said. 212 00:11:04,200 --> 00:11:06,720 Speaker 1: And my folks was still vote for me, whatever it was. 213 00:11:07,040 --> 00:11:08,640 Speaker 1: But this is one of those things. We always think 214 00:11:08,640 --> 00:11:11,080 Speaker 1: he's just no matter what he does, they're gonna stick 215 00:11:11,120 --> 00:11:14,160 Speaker 1: with their guy. I was surprised at how many people 216 00:11:14,240 --> 00:11:16,719 Speaker 1: just by them saying we're not gonna release any more files, 217 00:11:16,920 --> 00:11:20,000 Speaker 1: there is no list, and oh, by the way, confirmed 218 00:11:20,320 --> 00:11:24,360 Speaker 1: he killed himself. Just stating those three things was enough 219 00:11:24,480 --> 00:11:28,640 Speaker 1: that folks lost it. To then pardon this lady. 220 00:11:29,120 --> 00:11:33,440 Speaker 2: That would just be I can't imagine anyone could. I 221 00:11:33,480 --> 00:11:36,280 Speaker 2: know he thinks, and he has certainly been able to 222 00:11:36,480 --> 00:11:39,720 Speaker 2: keep a loyal following despite a lot of stuff that's 223 00:11:39,720 --> 00:11:43,400 Speaker 2: come out. This might be the nail in his coffin 224 00:11:43,440 --> 00:11:45,920 Speaker 2: if he went this way. Now here's the interesting thing. 225 00:11:46,720 --> 00:11:50,200 Speaker 2: You have these reporters asking questions of the White House. 226 00:11:50,240 --> 00:11:55,320 Speaker 2: They have never flat out said no, President Trump is 227 00:11:55,360 --> 00:11:58,720 Speaker 2: not going to pardon Gallainne Maxwell. They have never even 228 00:11:58,800 --> 00:12:02,000 Speaker 2: indicated that. And in fact, when ask again today there 229 00:12:02,160 --> 00:12:03,640 Speaker 2: was a vague response. 230 00:12:03,760 --> 00:12:04,559 Speaker 1: Well how vague. 231 00:12:05,280 --> 00:12:07,800 Speaker 2: It was pretty vague. This is what and this is 232 00:12:07,840 --> 00:12:10,080 Speaker 2: similar to what we've heard before. When White House Press 233 00:12:10,080 --> 00:12:14,040 Speaker 2: Secretary Carolyn Levitt told reporters today October six that she 234 00:12:14,240 --> 00:12:18,840 Speaker 2: was unaware if Trump had been asked to pardon Maxwell, 235 00:12:19,440 --> 00:12:22,559 Speaker 2: saying it's not something I've heard discussed. 236 00:12:22,800 --> 00:12:25,840 Speaker 1: So this saying it hasn't even come up, so it's not. 237 00:12:25,880 --> 00:12:29,559 Speaker 2: No, she's saying she hasn't heard of it being discussed. 238 00:12:29,760 --> 00:12:32,880 Speaker 2: Doesn't mean it didn't happen, or it hasn't been discussed 239 00:12:32,960 --> 00:12:33,880 Speaker 2: or isn't being discussed. 240 00:12:33,880 --> 00:12:36,160 Speaker 1: She's doing that plausible deniability thing. They left her out 241 00:12:36,200 --> 00:12:40,840 Speaker 1: of it on purpose, maybe suggesting vague. I mean, what 242 00:12:40,920 --> 00:12:43,839 Speaker 1: is I cannot remember the answers they've given. 243 00:12:44,160 --> 00:12:46,960 Speaker 2: Something similar to that. Trump has said, no one's asked me. 244 00:12:47,120 --> 00:12:49,560 Speaker 2: I haven't heard anything. So that's kind of and so 245 00:12:49,640 --> 00:12:52,160 Speaker 2: I think that is interesting because of course it doesn't 246 00:12:52,240 --> 00:12:55,000 Speaker 2: shut the door completely on it. And then Carolyn Levitt 247 00:12:55,000 --> 00:12:57,880 Speaker 2: did follow up with this, we don't comment on clemency 248 00:12:57,960 --> 00:13:02,240 Speaker 2: requests that may or may not have been made. 249 00:13:02,559 --> 00:13:05,520 Speaker 1: But when they were asked about Diddy, he started talking 250 00:13:06,040 --> 00:13:07,960 Speaker 1: and said, you know what, they haven't asked me yet. 251 00:13:08,240 --> 00:13:10,000 Speaker 1: It might be I like some of use it Dada. 252 00:13:10,559 --> 00:13:13,720 Speaker 1: So we shall see now as we're discussing this here 253 00:13:13,800 --> 00:13:16,440 Speaker 1: what it seems to everybody. Yes, the Supreme Court told 254 00:13:16,480 --> 00:13:20,440 Speaker 1: her No, she is out at least of legal options 255 00:13:20,480 --> 00:13:23,320 Speaker 1: when it comes to this appeal. However, we will tell 256 00:13:23,360 --> 00:13:28,560 Speaker 1: you after this what her attorney says they want to 257 00:13:28,640 --> 00:13:31,840 Speaker 1: do now moving forward, They at least think they've got 258 00:13:31,880 --> 00:13:33,920 Speaker 1: some maybe vague options too. 259 00:13:43,600 --> 00:13:45,200 Speaker 2: Welcome okay, I. 260 00:13:47,040 --> 00:13:48,160 Speaker 1: I had done so well. 261 00:13:48,240 --> 00:13:51,680 Speaker 2: I didn't say welcome aback for at least three weeks. 262 00:13:52,240 --> 00:13:53,200 Speaker 2: But there I go again. 263 00:13:53,240 --> 00:13:54,120 Speaker 1: Shu kept up with me. 264 00:13:54,320 --> 00:13:58,080 Speaker 2: Welcome back to I hope you're not taken aback, but 265 00:13:58,200 --> 00:14:01,080 Speaker 2: welcome back to Amy and DJ. We are talking about 266 00:14:01,080 --> 00:14:04,720 Speaker 2: the Supreme Courts. Fairly interesting and big decision today to 267 00:14:04,920 --> 00:14:10,160 Speaker 2: not consider Glainne Maxwell's appealed to her twenty twenty one conviction. 268 00:14:10,360 --> 00:14:14,080 Speaker 2: She felt like the immunity deal that Jeffrey Epstein struck 269 00:14:14,120 --> 00:14:18,040 Speaker 2: back in two thousand and seven should basically nullify the 270 00:14:18,080 --> 00:14:20,760 Speaker 2: conviction she had by the State of New York. But hey, 271 00:14:20,880 --> 00:14:23,160 Speaker 2: that was the state of Florida where that deal was struck, 272 00:14:23,280 --> 00:14:25,720 Speaker 2: not the State of New York. Supreme Court didn't rule 273 00:14:25,800 --> 00:14:27,960 Speaker 2: on its validity or not. They just said, we're not 274 00:14:28,040 --> 00:14:30,200 Speaker 2: even going to consider it at this point. 275 00:14:30,440 --> 00:14:32,680 Speaker 1: Rejection. I mean, that's got to say something about the case. 276 00:14:32,680 --> 00:14:34,640 Speaker 2: We don't even want to hear what you have to say. 277 00:14:35,840 --> 00:14:39,040 Speaker 2: That's the ultimate. Yeah, no, thanks, We're just not interested. 278 00:14:39,200 --> 00:14:41,120 Speaker 1: You may have seem so personal with that, because we've 279 00:14:41,160 --> 00:14:43,920 Speaker 1: all been victim of that in some way form of fashion. 280 00:14:43,920 --> 00:14:46,280 Speaker 1: Maybe it was a mother, maybe it was somebody you 281 00:14:46,320 --> 00:14:48,000 Speaker 1: were dating, don't even. 282 00:14:47,840 --> 00:14:50,000 Speaker 2: Want to hear Yes, oh yeah, I did hear that 283 00:14:50,000 --> 00:14:52,520 Speaker 2: from my mom quite a bit. So yes, that makes 284 00:14:52,520 --> 00:14:55,360 Speaker 2: a lot of sense. Now everyone is pointing to her 285 00:14:55,440 --> 00:14:58,760 Speaker 2: only option being a Trump pardon, and we've just gone 286 00:14:58,800 --> 00:15:06,400 Speaker 2: over why that seems extremely highly like beyond any realm 287 00:15:06,440 --> 00:15:10,120 Speaker 2: of possibility that Trump would ever consider that. If he 288 00:15:10,320 --> 00:15:13,520 Speaker 2: understands what the political temperature is about this and this subject, 289 00:15:14,080 --> 00:15:16,160 Speaker 2: he wants to get it far away from this as possible. 290 00:15:17,160 --> 00:15:20,440 Speaker 1: But they think they have some options. Now we don't 291 00:15:20,480 --> 00:15:22,480 Speaker 1: know what they could be. These would have to be 292 00:15:22,600 --> 00:15:26,320 Speaker 1: hail Mary's of some kind. But whatever option she has now, 293 00:15:26,360 --> 00:15:30,480 Speaker 1: it would be almost flucish, if you will. It would 294 00:15:30,520 --> 00:15:32,640 Speaker 1: have to be some deal somewhere that she struck. 295 00:15:32,840 --> 00:15:33,000 Speaker 2: Now. 296 00:15:33,000 --> 00:15:36,040 Speaker 1: Her attorney made an interesting comment after this, talking about 297 00:15:36,040 --> 00:15:41,080 Speaker 1: the disappointment, but said, quote, the fight isn't over. Serious 298 00:15:41,320 --> 00:15:45,240 Speaker 1: legal and factual issues remain, and we will continue to 299 00:15:45,240 --> 00:15:49,200 Speaker 1: pursue every happnue available to ensure that justice is done. 300 00:15:50,000 --> 00:15:52,400 Speaker 1: Not exactly sure what that means, Not exactly sure what 301 00:15:52,440 --> 00:15:54,840 Speaker 1: those options could be, but they say they're not just 302 00:15:54,880 --> 00:15:57,960 Speaker 1: gonna sit around and wait for this sentence to be over. 303 00:15:58,320 --> 00:15:59,680 Speaker 1: She's still trying to get out of prison. 304 00:16:00,000 --> 00:16:03,360 Speaker 2: So the problem is she's perjured herself before, and so 305 00:16:03,720 --> 00:16:08,280 Speaker 2: anything that she says, it's just incredibly difficult to believe 306 00:16:08,360 --> 00:16:12,320 Speaker 2: at this point. And do most of us believe she knows? 307 00:16:12,400 --> 00:16:16,760 Speaker 2: And do the victims say she knows? They absolutely concur 308 00:16:16,840 --> 00:16:19,520 Speaker 2: that she does. But all of them have I mean, 309 00:16:19,720 --> 00:16:22,640 Speaker 2: those who are speaking out have all said everything that 310 00:16:22,680 --> 00:16:24,880 Speaker 2: comes out of her mouth is a lie. 311 00:16:26,240 --> 00:16:28,480 Speaker 1: And I mean, now she has an incentive to say 312 00:16:28,560 --> 00:16:32,480 Speaker 1: exactly what she needs to say that benefits her. That's 313 00:16:32,520 --> 00:16:36,320 Speaker 1: one thing people are pointing to that look members of Congress, 314 00:16:36,560 --> 00:16:40,320 Speaker 1: they they have to answer to their constituents. They have 315 00:16:40,400 --> 00:16:42,280 Speaker 1: to get themselves on news, they have to look like 316 00:16:42,320 --> 00:16:44,160 Speaker 1: they're tough on crime. If they want to bring her 317 00:16:44,520 --> 00:16:48,320 Speaker 1: to Capitol Hill have her testify, what kind of deal 318 00:16:48,560 --> 00:16:50,920 Speaker 1: can be struck? I actually don't know, but that's an 319 00:16:50,960 --> 00:16:53,840 Speaker 1: option at least that was on the table. The possibility 320 00:16:53,840 --> 00:16:56,560 Speaker 1: were so desperate to get information from this lady that 321 00:16:56,600 --> 00:16:57,920 Speaker 1: they were willing to cut a deal. 322 00:16:58,080 --> 00:17:01,360 Speaker 2: The only I was just going over in my head. 323 00:17:01,480 --> 00:17:04,960 Speaker 2: What would be any sort of motivation for President Trump 324 00:17:05,040 --> 00:17:09,800 Speaker 2: to pardon her or give her a get out of 325 00:17:09,880 --> 00:17:12,199 Speaker 2: jail free card, even at the end of his presidency, 326 00:17:12,240 --> 00:17:15,320 Speaker 2: as so many presidents do. They'll just drop huge, huge 327 00:17:15,359 --> 00:17:18,159 Speaker 2: pardon bombs on their way out. But what would be 328 00:17:18,160 --> 00:17:20,760 Speaker 2: his incentive other than the fact that she had something 329 00:17:20,800 --> 00:17:23,040 Speaker 2: on him that she could have given up, that she 330 00:17:23,119 --> 00:17:26,280 Speaker 2: could have said, that she could have thrown at him 331 00:17:26,280 --> 00:17:29,439 Speaker 2: and so so. Yes, But then if he did do that, 332 00:17:29,480 --> 00:17:33,200 Speaker 2: then everyone would put those two things together, and his legacy, 333 00:17:33,240 --> 00:17:36,800 Speaker 2: which you know he cares significantly about, would be blown up. 334 00:17:36,880 --> 00:17:41,119 Speaker 2: So it just unless there is actually something real that 335 00:17:41,160 --> 00:17:43,600 Speaker 2: she could be holding over his head there, I cannot 336 00:17:43,680 --> 00:17:47,680 Speaker 2: think of any reason why he would pardon her or 337 00:17:47,760 --> 00:17:49,679 Speaker 2: give her any sort of clemency. 338 00:17:49,760 --> 00:17:51,720 Speaker 1: She would have played that card by now, wouldn't She 339 00:17:52,359 --> 00:17:55,400 Speaker 1: would had something on him that if he was afraid 340 00:17:55,440 --> 00:17:59,560 Speaker 1: of her, exactly, I should have played that card a 341 00:17:59,560 --> 00:17:59,879 Speaker 1: while ago. 342 00:18:00,040 --> 00:18:01,280 Speaker 2: And for all the folks, you know, a lot of 343 00:18:01,320 --> 00:18:03,960 Speaker 2: people it's interesting, have all talked about what she knows, 344 00:18:04,000 --> 00:18:08,399 Speaker 2: and certainly she knows more than anyone alive could possibly know. 345 00:18:09,680 --> 00:18:12,239 Speaker 2: But you know, she and her lawyers say she's had 346 00:18:12,280 --> 00:18:14,840 Speaker 2: threats in her life. Her lawyers say she's scared for 347 00:18:14,880 --> 00:18:17,160 Speaker 2: her safety, so it is interesting that she was moved 348 00:18:17,160 --> 00:18:20,520 Speaker 2: to a lower security prison. There are so many questions 349 00:18:20,560 --> 00:18:23,480 Speaker 2: I have about someone who they claim is at risk 350 00:18:24,840 --> 00:18:27,360 Speaker 2: based on the information she may or may not have, 351 00:18:27,600 --> 00:18:30,040 Speaker 2: or based on the fact that people in prison don't 352 00:18:30,119 --> 00:18:34,760 Speaker 2: like people who mess around with young children. But there 353 00:18:34,800 --> 00:18:37,520 Speaker 2: are still I guess a few avenues. I don't the 354 00:18:37,600 --> 00:18:40,480 Speaker 2: lawyers didn't get specific, but we will be looking for 355 00:18:40,600 --> 00:18:42,760 Speaker 2: any sort of new headline as to whether or not 356 00:18:42,840 --> 00:18:45,399 Speaker 2: this she has a case going forward, if she is 357 00:18:45,920 --> 00:18:48,800 Speaker 2: planning on still giving any sort of information to Congress, 358 00:18:48,920 --> 00:18:52,840 Speaker 2: And certainly I think a lot of folks from the 359 00:18:52,840 --> 00:18:55,320 Speaker 2: top on down would like this to be a chapter 360 00:18:55,800 --> 00:18:56,560 Speaker 2: that goes away. 361 00:18:57,040 --> 00:19:00,359 Speaker 1: At this point, I would too, I mean, point, do 362 00:19:00,359 --> 00:19:02,320 Speaker 1: you ever close? This has ever done? Is there ever 363 00:19:02,400 --> 00:19:05,960 Speaker 1: enough information out there that satisfies the American public? Is 364 00:19:05,960 --> 00:19:08,600 Speaker 1: there ever enough punishment that's done? Is there ever anything 365 00:19:08,600 --> 00:19:11,159 Speaker 1: that's gonna make those victims feel better? I do not know, 366 00:19:11,560 --> 00:19:14,200 Speaker 1: but this just keeps dragging, and what they say every time, 367 00:19:14,560 --> 00:19:16,960 Speaker 1: it's like you're not even opening up a new of 368 00:19:17,240 --> 00:19:20,199 Speaker 1: the same wound. Like new wounds they keep revictimized. That's 369 00:19:20,200 --> 00:19:23,639 Speaker 1: what they are saying, victimized all over again by this stuff. 370 00:19:23,680 --> 00:19:24,560 Speaker 1: My goodness. 371 00:19:24,920 --> 00:19:28,119 Speaker 2: Well, maybe this is one of the final, if not 372 00:19:28,200 --> 00:19:32,280 Speaker 2: the final chapters in the Gallaine maxwells Sock. We shall see, 373 00:19:32,320 --> 00:19:33,840 Speaker 2: but thank you for listening to us, every one. I 374 00:19:33,920 --> 00:19:36,920 Speaker 2: made me roboch alongside TJ. Holmes. We will talk to 375 00:19:36,960 --> 00:19:37,320 Speaker 2: you soon.