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Speaker 1: welcome to Talking Cowboys inside the SWBC Mortgage Studio. Tay
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Speaker 1: Joined as always by Mickey Spagnola. Brian brought us Kick
Speaker 1: Garrison producing next door inside the Garrison. Another Blue Monday
Speaker 1: guys here at the Star. Aaron Rodgers did it to
Speaker 1: him again? Yeah? Did it again? Thirty five thirty one
Speaker 1: Cowboys fall to the Packers, second time in nine months,
Speaker 1: in the second time in nine months that they fall
Speaker 1: in really just heartbreaking fashion, stunning fashion, final seconds fashion,
Speaker 1: last possession fashion. Yep, bad fashion. Enter the bye week
Speaker 1: in bad form two and three, with a couple of
Speaker 1: weeks to think about it and think about what number
Speaker 1: twelve did on that last drive. And you better hope
Speaker 1: that an emotional loss like this doesn't linger, and that's
Speaker 1: obviously going to linger for two weeks with the bye
Speaker 1: coming up, you almost wish the bye wasn't here and
Speaker 1: you can prepare for another game and you didn't have
Speaker 1: to sit around and think about this. A lot of
Speaker 1: times you have a loss in the season and it'll it'll,
Speaker 1: it'll kill the season. And I'm not trying to compare
Speaker 1: this to that ninety seven season when the Cowboys were
Speaker 1: six and five and went up to Green Bay and
Speaker 1: was very important game for them to win and they
Speaker 1: got their clocks kicked and they didn't win another game
Speaker 1: the rest of the year. Now, I'm not comparing that
Speaker 1: to this, but those things can happen if you lose
Speaker 1: your emotion. Now, those guys to the locker room would say,
Speaker 1: we will not let this happen. We will continue on.
Speaker 1: But they got a lot to overcome when they look
Speaker 1: at what they nearly accomplished, what they should have accomplished,
Speaker 1: and then for the second week in a row, get
Speaker 1: beat like that something that hadn't happened since the end
Speaker 1: of the twenty fifteen season. Losing two games in a row.
Speaker 1: A lot of faces of disbelief in that locker room
Speaker 1: after the game, Brian, I mean again, the second time
Speaker 1: it's happened against this opponent where you play a really
Speaker 1: good game, not necessarily complete game, but a good enough
Speaker 1: game to win, and he snatches it right from you.
Speaker 1: Oh no, you know, in all week long, we had
Speaker 1: talked about, you know, what Aaron Rodgers could do, and
Speaker 1: you know the problems that he presented, and you know
Speaker 1: the fact that I used the words and you got
Speaker 1: to play with discipline when you play against Aaron Rodgers,
Speaker 1: and you know it's his ability to manufacture things at
Speaker 1: the darkest of times for the you know, the Packers,
Speaker 1: I mean they were you know, you look at the
Speaker 1: final drive of that football game, and you know the
Speaker 1: whole fourth quarter that they didn't have the football. They
Speaker 1: had the ball for two minutes in sixteen seconds in
Speaker 1: the fourth quarter. That was it. That's incredible. And all
Speaker 1: he needed was a minute in minute thirteen to win
Speaker 1: that football game. You know, you limited the number of
Speaker 1: possessions they had. Uh you know, unfortunately you had the
Speaker 1: pick six that went against you. You had some untimely penalties,
Speaker 1: two big ones. Yeah, that helped them get touched out.
Speaker 1: The face mask penalty on Hitchens was a was a
Speaker 1: terrible situation because that would have likely kept them out
Speaker 1: of a field goal range. And then you had the
Speaker 1: roughing the passer, the un sportsmanlike conduct penalty, you know
Speaker 1: on Benson Maywell, when you have a sack, you know,
Speaker 1: Terry McCauley's trying to blow the play dead, and you
Speaker 1: still take a run at the quarterback. So you know,
Speaker 1: when you're playing, it gets the team and a guy
Speaker 1: like Aaron Rodgers, you just can't give them any extra uh,
Speaker 1: any extra plays, any extra incentive to continue on. I
Speaker 1: felt like defensively, there was some really good things in
Speaker 1: this game. You know that, I felt like the some
Speaker 1: of the pressure that they were able to get some
Speaker 1: of the hits. What I wasn't ready for was Green
Speaker 1: Bay running the football. You know that that I think
Speaker 1: that right there we talk about Rogers, but what Jones
Speaker 1: was able to do in this football game gave the
Speaker 1: Packers balance and it didn't let the Cowboys just completely
Speaker 1: try and tee off on Aaron Rodgers because it looked
Speaker 1: like they were getting some pressure, they were going to
Speaker 1: get some you know, David Irvine and Lawrence and those guys.
Speaker 1: It looked like they were going to create some problems.
Speaker 1: You know, maybe Rogers just continues to throw and throw
Speaker 1: but they did get some hits on him. It's just
Speaker 1: like I say, it's that guy almost forces you to
Speaker 1: play a perfect game. He really does, and and the
Speaker 1: NFL it's it's hard to play a perfect game. Well,
Speaker 1: you guys want to work backward. Yeah, let me say
Speaker 1: this first, go ahead, McK are weak to the point
Speaker 1: that any old Jones can run for one hundred yards
Speaker 1: against the Cowboys. I bet there's fans that had to
Speaker 1: look up who he was. You know, Aaron Jones, you
Speaker 1: tip if you listen to the draft show, did he
Speaker 1: get drafted? Yes? And by the way, you guys will
Speaker 1: have a draft show, but nobody needs to tune into
Speaker 1: that he was a I want to say he was
Speaker 1: a fourth round pick, okay, fifth round, fifth round out
Speaker 1: of you tip? Yeah, And he's not their first option.
Speaker 1: Jamaal Williams was their fourth round pick the running back,
Speaker 1: and then yeah, and then Aaron Jones was a fifth
Speaker 1: round pick. Time Montgomery was intactive back because of the ribs.
Speaker 1: So they roll with Jones and they've been happy with him.
Speaker 1: But it's not like he's Dorsey Levins. He hasn't been
Speaker 1: a big factor in their offense. Obviously, even in the
Speaker 1: first month of the season, and once again you don't
Speaker 1: have Sean Lee, and the problems in the running games
Speaker 1: show up for really third time this season. Out of
Speaker 1: third time a team, a team is rushed for at
Speaker 1: least one hundred and sixty yards against him, one sixty
Speaker 1: eight and one seventy eight. Bad recipe right there. So
Speaker 1: we can sit here and talk about pressure and defensive
Speaker 1: ends and all this stuff if you don't stop the run.
Speaker 1: And what was the key thing in the winning drive?
Speaker 1: There were two runs, right, he had a fourteen yard
Speaker 1: run and Rogers had an eighteen yard run. That's thirty
Speaker 1: two yards. Yeah, you can't have that. And as long
Speaker 1: as they're not going to stop the run, they're gonna
Speaker 1: have problems winning ball games because their secondary is not
Speaker 1: good enough to stand up to whatever happened. And the
Speaker 1: shame of the matter is is that they defense actually
Speaker 1: as bad as you may think they played. They held
Speaker 1: the Packers to twenty eight points and then you said, hey, Aaron,
Speaker 1: here's seven, go ahead, take it and get to thirty five,
Speaker 1: and you lose a game. Give up thirty five points
Speaker 1: two weeks in a row. Yeah, Dak Prescott played a
Speaker 1: terrific ball game twenty five or thirty six, two hundred
Speaker 1: and fifty one yards, four overall touchdowns, three passing. That
Speaker 1: interception is really not on him. I mean, well but
Speaker 1: you you wrote, you know, he put the ball a
Speaker 1: little wide. But it's a catchable football for Terrence will Yeah,
Speaker 1: Terrence Williams is and we understand what Terrence Williams is
Speaker 1: as a receiver. You know, he's a guy that if
Speaker 1: he has the opportunity to get the ball against his body,
Speaker 1: you know, nine times that attend he's going to make
Speaker 1: a catch. That time though, he just couldn't couldn't bring
Speaker 1: it in. You know, the give the Packers some credit
Speaker 1: with the way that they were playing their defense. They're
Speaker 1: playing his zone coverage and you know and once the ball,
Speaker 1: once the ball went, you know it was tipped. You know, uh,
Speaker 1: Randall was right de Marius Randall was right there to
Speaker 1: make the play. And you know, I mean there's there's
Speaker 1: there's all kinds of things that you could say it
Speaker 1: happened in this football game, but that right there was
Speaker 1: was just it was a devastating, devastating play for the
Speaker 1: for the Cowboys, just to give them that easy those
Speaker 1: easy points after they had been moving the ball pretty
Speaker 1: well throughout the game. That gave the Packers of twenty
Speaker 1: eight twenty four lead in the fourth quarter. The interception
Speaker 1: returned for a touchdown, and then I've talked about working backwards.
Speaker 1: Then we go to the Cowboys final scoring drive in
Speaker 1: the fourth quarter, and everybody wants to talk about that
Speaker 1: because as well as the offense played, and really they
Speaker 1: got going in terms of balance in the fourth quarter.
Speaker 1: I think Zeke had eighty five rushing yards in the
Speaker 1: fourth quarter. Right, got some things going, They get a
Speaker 1: big fourth down conversion, they score touchdown. But the question
Speaker 1: coming out of it is, when you're facing Aaron Rodgers,
Speaker 1: did you leave too much time on the clock. I
Speaker 1: don't know if there's ever not enough time on the
Speaker 1: clock against Aaron Rodgers, but there was a minute thirteen
Speaker 1: and obviously he did what he did nine place, seventy
Speaker 1: five yards touchdown. What do you think about that last
Speaker 1: drive and the way it was executed late by Dallas
Speaker 1: to take the lead eight they burned eight minutes and
Speaker 1: forty three seconds off the clock. I mean, were they
Speaker 1: supposed to take off ten minutes in a drive? Eight
Speaker 1: forty three and seventeen plays? They didn't get in a hurry.
Speaker 1: They actually stayed with the run. Yeah. Can I ask
Speaker 1: you a question, Nope, Because you seem to be very
Speaker 1: critical of the defense, and rightfully so, knowing what you
Speaker 1: knew about how the defense was playing though, and you
Speaker 1: even said it about the secondary not being able to
Speaker 1: cover anybody and then not being able to stop the run.
Speaker 1: Do you have to play that last bit of the
Speaker 1: game a little bit unconventionally? I would have played one
Speaker 1: play differently. Yeah. And my understanding was on the second
Speaker 1: and two second two at the eleven, right, it was
Speaker 1: a run pass option. Maybe you don't give them that, Okay,
Speaker 1: it was incomplete. Say you'd run it, yes, doesn't mean
Speaker 1: you're gonna pick it up. Yeah, But you could have
Speaker 1: run it. They would have had to call time out, right,
Speaker 1: But they only had one time out left, even after
Speaker 1: not having a time out there, right, the Packers, the packers,
Speaker 1: the Packers had one time at one time out, right,
Speaker 1: So if you had run it, you're making them burn
Speaker 1: their last sire. They're calling time out, they're calling their
Speaker 1: time out and then but they didn't need that time
Speaker 1: out the entire drive. They called it with twenty nine
Speaker 1: seconds to go, They used it on third and seven,
Speaker 1: I believe, or third and eight before it. Yeah, they
Speaker 1: used they used it all, but they ran. See, they
Speaker 1: didn't need to run that play to drive for two yards.
Speaker 1: That's when they burned the time out right after that,
Speaker 1: Right they had driven the length of the field, they
Speaker 1: were already down there. So to me, you would have
Speaker 1: taken the time out away from them. But are you
Speaker 1: guaranteeing me you're going to score the touchdown? I think
Speaker 1: with the seventeen play drive, I would have felt good
Speaker 1: about either a if you give me four fresh excuse me,
Speaker 1: if you give me four gosh, I can't talk. You're
Speaker 1: good four fresh downs. If you give me four fresh downs,
Speaker 1: and I know they don't have a time out left,
Speaker 1: and I'm thinking, okay, yeah, sure, I could throw the
Speaker 1: back shoulder to DEAs. I could throw the fade if
Speaker 1: they want to throw to deaths like they did. Or
Speaker 1: you could run the read option like they did. They
Speaker 1: scored on an eleven yard run on that. I think
Speaker 1: you had options. I don't think the Packers would have
Speaker 1: stopped you, and if all likely, the Packers might have
Speaker 1: given you the touchdown. Now, coaches don't like to be
Speaker 1: criticized for that anytime that that probably was the smart
Speaker 1: thing to do. You know, if you're if you're in fact,
Speaker 1: you've given up seventeen plays and you're thinking the only
Speaker 1: way we're gonna win this football game is get the
Speaker 1: ball back to Aaron Rodgers. You know. Now, coaches don't
Speaker 1: like that criticism, right, They really really don't. They don't
Speaker 1: want to take that, you know. And and it was
Speaker 1: you know in Scott Linahan looks like he says, it's
Speaker 1: my job to score Rod Marinelli, it's your job now
Speaker 1: to stop them. You know, that's kind of you know
Speaker 1: a little bit of the mindset, right, kind of what
Speaker 1: Mickey just said. Yeah, seventeen play drive that eats up
Speaker 1: almost nine minutes. See, that's what I'm saying. I just
Speaker 1: don't feel like that Green Bay. And it could have happened,
Speaker 1: you could have had a mistake, but the way that
Speaker 1: they were smartly moving the ball. I thought Scott Linehan
Speaker 1: handled the last portion of that game very well. Until
Speaker 1: you talk about it, if it's an if it's a
Speaker 1: RPO run pass option, and Dak felt like that that
Speaker 1: was the best play. Now, if you watched the play,
Speaker 1: and I know you will Mickey already did. Did you
Speaker 1: see them come off the ball? See they To me,
Speaker 1: it was like they were pass blocking more than they
Speaker 1: were run blocking. And if if in fact it was
Speaker 1: a run block, even if they were, even if they
Speaker 1: showed the way it was. You watch the end zone. Okay,
Speaker 1: they hand the ball to Elliott, he's gonna burrow between
Speaker 1: Martin and Frederick, and he's gonna at least get two
Speaker 1: yards at least, I mean the way it thinks, because
Speaker 1: they didn't have enough in the box to play the run.
Speaker 1: They didn't have enough from what I saw. So if
Speaker 1: they do hand the ball, it's a two yard game.
Speaker 1: Now you get the fresh set of downs. Now you
Speaker 1: make them use your timeouts. Now you start to work
Speaker 1: on work on the clock a little bit. Keep running
Speaker 1: the ball. Are they gonna stop you four straight times?
Speaker 1: Probably not? And you're you're talking second and two from
Speaker 1: the green bay eleven right they went. They went to
Speaker 1: Deaz instead in the end zone right right, so to me,
Speaker 1: And then you score on the next play. Now again,
Speaker 1: you could have got the first down a green bay
Speaker 1: and said, okay, we're not gonna put but but coaches
Speaker 1: don't generally want to get criticized. They would say, well,
Speaker 1: the best thing to do is let him score. Well,
Speaker 1: coaches don't want to get criticized for doing that. Nope,
Speaker 1: nobody does. So all I can think of is the
Speaker 1: previous set of downs. If it's not for video replay,
Speaker 1: you don't get a first down and you had fourth
Speaker 1: and one, Well, you're lucky that you didn't. If you
Speaker 1: look at the play on that fourth and one call,
Speaker 1: you're lucky that they didn't call James Hannah for illegal Okay,
Speaker 1: so whatever. So it's for you became very close. You're
Speaker 1: assuming you were going to score a touchdown running when
Speaker 1: you had fourth in one and you barely picked it up,
Speaker 1: I would read the grace of God, I would the
Speaker 1: kid made a heck of a play. No, he did,
Speaker 1: but it wasn't gonna get called that way until it
Speaker 1: gotten challenged. Oh that's why they have the replay. I understand.
Speaker 1: But it was that close to not picking it up
Speaker 1: and the game would have been over. I would have
Speaker 1: rather lost that football game trying to keep the ball
Speaker 1: away from Aaron Rodgers then the way they just did.
Speaker 1: I would not. I would have bet at all on
Speaker 1: one play if it came down I would have if
Speaker 1: you talk about one of you this one of the
Speaker 1: best offensive lines in the national football is not the Cowboys.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying though, but if I gave you that
Speaker 1: that quote, if you if I would bet on them,
Speaker 1: I would bet on Zach Martin, I will bet on
Speaker 1: Travis Frederick. I'll bet on those guys because because if
Speaker 1: you remember, though he had the ball fourth down, Garrett
Speaker 1: did and didn't bet on him and the other the
Speaker 1: Packers went forward on fourth down, you know, but the
Speaker 1: whole game he showed aggressive tendencies going forward on fourth down.
Speaker 1: So obviously Mickey, he felt like that fourth and one
Speaker 1: they get down there, that they're going to score the
Speaker 1: way that Garrett managed that game, because we've known Garrett
Speaker 1: in the pass to punt the football, well, he had
Speaker 1: no choice but to go for it on fourth and
Speaker 1: one if it was a field goal. It's a difference.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying though, even when they were even when
Speaker 1: they were tied in that game, he went for it
Speaker 1: off because he knew he had to score points. Okay,
Speaker 1: that's what I'm saying. He's he's he's he's worked his
Speaker 1: clock down to almost nine minutes, you know. To me,
Speaker 1: I would again, I would rather lose the game trying
Speaker 1: than I would playing defense. And I'm only going off
Speaker 1: what you're saying. I'm only going off what you're saying
Speaker 1: is they don't play run defense well and they don't cover.
Speaker 1: So what you're telling me is you were willing to
Speaker 1: put them back out there even though you knew that
Speaker 1: I had to score a touchdown. You did gart you did,
Speaker 1: But you're guarantee me you were going to score this,
Speaker 1: and you're guaranteeing me they were gonna stop him. No,
Speaker 1: I wasn't guaranteeing anything, but at least I had I
Speaker 1: had what how many players takes to stop him. I am.
Speaker 1: I am not leaving them. They had not stopped me
Speaker 1: for sixteen plays. I don't think they're gonna stop me
Speaker 1: going in well that a matter of fact, I think
Speaker 1: they might even let you score, which coaches don't like
Speaker 1: to do. That. It would been the smart thing for
Speaker 1: them to do, and it might be their only chance
Speaker 1: to win that They hadn't stopped you for thirteen plays,
Speaker 1: but on the fourteenth play, on fourth and a half
Speaker 1: a yard, they nearly stopped you. But they didn't, but
Speaker 1: they did until they got replayed. So you don't think
Speaker 1: that was in the back of their minds saying we
Speaker 1: can't just assume we're gonna run right over him the
Speaker 1: rest of the way. I would have taken my chances
Speaker 1: that they hadn't stopped. Well, it's a good second guess, Brian,
Speaker 1: it's a great I got to score the touchdown. I
Speaker 1: agree with you have to score the touchdown. But the
Speaker 1: fact of the matter is, Mickey, though you you who
Speaker 1: just told me you don't an easy second guess because
Speaker 1: it's not a second guest. Yes, it is, because now
Speaker 1: you know how it turned out. No, Mickey, at the time,
Speaker 1: I mean how it turned I'm thinking, I'm no. I
Speaker 1: know when he threw the ball that was a mistake.
Speaker 1: I knew that was a mistake. You okay, So what
Speaker 1: do you do after the points? The points and the
Speaker 1: do after the mistake? Now it's third and two. You
Speaker 1: run the football and they get down and they and
Speaker 1: they did. Now though he should have slid at the
Speaker 1: one yard line, I didn't say the slide. Well, then
Speaker 1: what should he have done? You gotta manage he's talking
Speaker 1: what you have to man what he's talking about. Second down,
Speaker 1: I'm talking about too. I am with you on that,
Speaker 1: but they could have called time out. They called time out.
Speaker 1: You run another player first down, now you take another
Speaker 1: You don't have a first down, but you got a
Speaker 1: first down after you ran the football. How do you know? Okay,
Speaker 1: we're not gonna go anywhere. Let me let's play a
Speaker 1: couple of cuts from the Cowboys perspective on that. The problem.
Speaker 1: The problem is the assuming number one. If you're right,
Speaker 1: you got the first okay, and you're assuming that you're
Speaker 1: gonna get a stop on defense. I gotta I gotta
Speaker 1: to stop on defense is secondary. I gotta store a touchdown.
Speaker 1: You didn't get a stop all day. He had. He
Speaker 1: had seven possessions, four touchdowns, a field goal. Here's here's
Speaker 1: here's the issue too, is this told me this happened.
Speaker 1: It is stopping this happened out there, This happened nine
Speaker 1: months ago. With thirty five seconds left, he got him
Speaker 1: into field goal position. Yeah, and it took thirty seconds
Speaker 1: last night to get twenty eight yards and get into
Speaker 1: field goal position. It was like that that's what he
Speaker 1: can do to you, and that that's why it's it's
Speaker 1: at least a discussion now, I say it wasn't a discussion.
Speaker 1: I agreed with him on the passa second down. Okay,
Speaker 1: but my but the assumption after give me that, give
Speaker 1: me four fresh downs. How do you know you were
Speaker 1: gonna get it. If you get to get you run
Speaker 1: the football. They haven't start assuming they stopped him on
Speaker 1: fourth and one, and you're assuming and you're running reaching out, okay,
Speaker 1: and they score and now you're assuming. No, I'm not assuming,
Speaker 1: but I got a score before I can assume anything,
Speaker 1: right to me? To me, I would rather lose the game.
Speaker 1: I trying to run out the clock, lead and take
Speaker 1: my chances than to sit there and go, you're gonna
Speaker 1: let me play the clock and I don't score a
Speaker 1: touchdown and then I lose. Well, you lost by giving
Speaker 1: him a minute thirteen or a minute eighteen. That's what
Speaker 1: happened by by scoring early. Answered my question after well,
Speaker 1: third and two. Well, we can't assume is that we're late.
Speaker 1: We're late right now? Yeah, but we can Okay, No,
Speaker 1: let's look and finish. Let's let's take a break in
Speaker 1: and carry it over. Take a break in and carried over.
Speaker 1: There was never it never got the third and two,
Speaker 1: but it the never lation was it was third and
Speaker 1: two after the incompletion, right, okay, it got the third two.
Speaker 1: But what would you have done? You read I would
Speaker 1: have I would have ran ever run the football. But
Speaker 1: they did. They did run the football, but they scored,
Speaker 1: So I don't call it. Don't call a touchdown, is
Speaker 1: what you're saying. I'll tell you what. People talk about
Speaker 1: him sliding. That would have been a football, intelligent play,
Speaker 1: that would have been a football. Tell now you're assuming
Speaker 1: that wherever he slid, you were still good. You would
Speaker 1: have been on the one or two yard line if
Speaker 1: he would have slid, because a quarterback is immediately given
Speaker 1: up when they go down. I'm just have I seen now.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that's the way to go. I'm just saying, though,
Speaker 1: if if I would not have thrown the football, I
Speaker 1: would have just kept running. And then once again, you're
Speaker 1: assuming you would to score, and then you're assuming you
Speaker 1: would have stopped him. Und No, I'm taking my chances
Speaker 1: if I don't score, I don't can't assume. Yeah, you're right,
Speaker 1: we've used assumed so much. I can't assume. We're won't
Speaker 1: assume we know we're three minutes late. Let's take a break.
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Speaker 1: back inside the SWBC Morgan studio breaking down Packers thirty five,
Speaker 1: Cowboys thirty one. I'm so sorry to interrupt y'all, but
Speaker 1: y'all were kind of going in circles and we needed
Speaker 1: to take a break. Let's get back to it. Let
Speaker 1: me start off with a couple of cuts. Kent. Was
Speaker 1: that like sending us to our corner at the well, Yeah,
Speaker 1: a little bit. Yeah, it was a great discussion. I
Speaker 1: loved it. I loved it. We'll get back into it.
Speaker 1: A couple of cuts from Dak and Garrett about that
Speaker 1: last offensive drive and time management decisions that way. I
Speaker 1: thought we did a good job being around him. Obviously,
Speaker 1: the stuff that where he's most dangerous when he gets
Speaker 1: out of the pocket. So you know, he's so effective
Speaker 1: thrown in the pocket that he gets the ball out
Speaker 1: of his hands, but when he extends the plays, that's
Speaker 1: when a lot of their big plays happen. So every
Speaker 1: time the ball is snapped, that has to be on
Speaker 1: the forefront of your mind. And it's one thing to say,
Speaker 1: it's another thing to be able to do it. For
Speaker 1: sixty seventy snaps in a game. He's awfully good doing that.
Speaker 1: And he got out a couple of times and made
Speaker 1: some big plays. But you know, our guys stayed after
Speaker 1: him and stayed after him and stayed after him. But
Speaker 1: he's certainly a challenge. He's a great football player, all right.
Speaker 1: That was the comment on trying to like you said,
Speaker 1: you're you're key to the game, Brian containing Aaron Rodgers,
Speaker 1: and that's what something that's they struggle with on that
Speaker 1: last drive, especially when he got the eighteen yard Can
Speaker 1: you get the ones ready about the time management in
Speaker 1: the last offensive drive for Dallas Das cut Yeah about yep,
Speaker 1: I got it? Okay, can we go roll that one?
Speaker 1: Mean you're playing with fire with doing that. I mean
Speaker 1: those guys get paid on defense too, So I mean
Speaker 1: if you're you're running out and you're trying to get
Speaker 1: it to to third down and you're wasting the time,
Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's a slippery slope. So I mean
Speaker 1: for us, it's important just to get get in the
Speaker 1: end zone, put the pressure on them and trusting our defense.
Speaker 1: And he said trust in our defense, thanks Kin. So yeah,
Speaker 1: and I think either Dak or Garret Are both were
Speaker 1: asked specifically about do you slide? Do you just slide
Speaker 1: in that situation without tim kelish or asked if it
Speaker 1: was and he said it was an option. Okay, again,
Speaker 1: that's just you know, I'm not asking to the slide.
Speaker 1: I'm just asking you to not throw a pass on
Speaker 1: second down. I think that's I think that's where it
Speaker 1: kind of messed you up a little bit. You know,
Speaker 1: another one of Garrett here talking about it too. Okay.
Speaker 1: I just think you have to be careful about trying
Speaker 1: to trying to be perfect. It's hard to score points
Speaker 1: in this league. It's hard to score touchdowns. You know,
Speaker 1: it's a four point game at that time. There's no
Speaker 1: guarantee you're gonna score touchdown there. So I think in
Speaker 1: that particular case, he did the right thing. So there
Speaker 1: you have it. Do you say no guarantee, no guarantee
Speaker 1: you score? Is that like assuming you're gonna score? Did
Speaker 1: you hear Traygman come back and talk about holding last
Speaker 1: week after you were so adamant about that on that
Speaker 1: tras the only one that said it in you Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I'll be adamant about the call on the two
Speaker 1: yard line. Too, because if you go back and look
Speaker 1: at it and stop it, mcaulay is blowing his whistle.
Speaker 1: Sure no, I'm with you, and Benson Mayo is already
Speaker 1: on top. I'm with you. He invented that call, I'm
Speaker 1: with you, I have not was a huge call. It's
Speaker 1: gonna be third and twenty at the two, no doubt.
Speaker 1: They went thirteen more plays and ended up scoring a touchdown,
Speaker 1: no doubt. Ye, how does he do that? That's that's
Speaker 1: you know that they're always going to call that too.
Speaker 1: And he didn't hit him. He went over the top
Speaker 1: and you duck your head into it, but he was
Speaker 1: already and they were trying to tackle him. Well, that's that's,
Speaker 1: That's just they made huge mistakes in this game. He's
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers. He may get the benefit of the doubt.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's like the one on Dez in the
Speaker 1: end zone that wasn't Yeah, that was a hid Yeah,
Speaker 1: I just barely grazed him. To me though, this the
Speaker 1: whole thing. It could go either way, and they're right
Speaker 1: about the slippery slope. I just feel like though that
Speaker 1: you're playing against you know, the whole the whole game.
Speaker 1: I felt like he managed it different. He did go
Speaker 1: for it on fourth down, some timely stuff I thought
Speaker 1: was I thought, that's excellent. You have to stay aggressive.
Speaker 1: I thought they managed the last nine minutes of that
Speaker 1: game beautifully until that passed. And now I'm trying to
Speaker 1: think about, Okay, We've got to a point where how
Speaker 1: can I kill this football game. Mickey's right, there's no guarantee,
Speaker 1: but I would I would rather lose not giving him
Speaker 1: a chance. And I haven't seen I hadn't seen Green
Speaker 1: Bay stop me. And I know you say on the
Speaker 1: fourth in one play, but I had not seen them.
Speaker 1: I mean, you could run the read You have options
Speaker 1: down there. You could run the read option. They they
Speaker 1: ran it. They ran it a couple different times, and
Speaker 1: it was big play. You can you could do the
Speaker 1: fade if you want. There's things that you can do.
Speaker 1: And I just I just don't want. If that's if
Speaker 1: that's a if that's say that's Eli Manning, I don't
Speaker 1: care go ahead and score because he's not gonna beat you.
Speaker 1: I don't think he's gonna beat you. Ninety percent of
Speaker 1: the quarterbacks in the league, there's three quarterbacks. There's three
Speaker 1: quarterbacks in the league. I would not have given the
Speaker 1: ball back to I wouldn't have given the ball back
Speaker 1: to Brady. I wouldn't have given the ball back to Rogers,
Speaker 1: and I wouldn't have given the ball back to Drew Brees.
Speaker 1: So everybody, basically, what you're doing is criticizing Dak for scoring. No,
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, though, I would you are if they
Speaker 1: agreed they gave it, they would have called timeout, I'll
Speaker 1: give you run the ball, okay, then you run it
Speaker 1: one more time now, And they did and they scored.
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying, though, to me, they it's it's
Speaker 1: it's it's a So you would have, Dilly Daly, I
Speaker 1: would have tried. I would have tried. I would have
Speaker 1: handed the ball absolutely, I would have tried to. I
Speaker 1: would have tried to manipulate it where I kept running clock,
Speaker 1: I had timeouts. Myself, I would have made them try
Speaker 1: and say, okay, go ahead and score. And what happens
Speaker 1: if they didn't? How if they don't play? How do
Speaker 1: you think anybody would have said if they didn't score
Speaker 1: inside the ten yard line and the clock ran out
Speaker 1: and you lost, anybody would have said, you know what,
Speaker 1: Jason Garrett, you did the exact right thing. You should
Speaker 1: have bet the game on keeping the ball and scoring
Speaker 1: and lose. He bet on his defense and lost. They
Speaker 1: would have said he wasn't aggressive enough. Yeah he didn't
Speaker 1: take if he hadn't tried, Yeah you had. He bet
Speaker 1: on his defense and he lost. That's what. Yeah, he
Speaker 1: can't come out and say that. But and and Dak
Speaker 1: Prescott could have come out and said that too. Hey,
Speaker 1: we have to trust our defense. You have to trust
Speaker 1: your defense. But the fact that you really hadn't slowed
Speaker 1: them down all day, that that, to me was that
Speaker 1: was a bad You wouldn't have said that if they lost.
Speaker 1: If that, if Green Bay would have lost. No, if
Speaker 1: the Cowboys lost, you wouldn't know. I wouldn't have said
Speaker 1: they did the right thing to try to eat clock
Speaker 1: or a time. You know what, as much as I
Speaker 1: know about Aaron Rodgers playing this in the way he plays,
Speaker 1: I'm not leaving him any time. And you know what,
Speaker 1: I'll be honest, I would have said it, because I
Speaker 1: just admitted that. I would have said I would rather
Speaker 1: have lost that game the way of me trying to
Speaker 1: keep him off the field. I would have That's me.
Speaker 1: But I and And that's the God's honest truth. I
Speaker 1: I when easy to say now, no, no, when he
Speaker 1: it is when it's our jobs. He said it when
Speaker 1: he said when when he scored last night, were in
Speaker 1: the studio with less smiles and Nate Newton and all
Speaker 1: that all Everybody's sitting there and we all looked at
Speaker 1: each other, said we just lost this football game. We
Speaker 1: just lost this football game. A minute thirteen with Aaron
Speaker 1: Rodgers is an eternity question about it. And I understand that.
Speaker 1: But you still were behind. I know you got to
Speaker 1: score points. I get it. It does come down to
Speaker 1: the wait do you do on second day? Four down
Speaker 1: on your on their end of the field. That's a
Speaker 1: huge play, got a ten yard run. You know they
Speaker 1: made some place, but you you know, you're you're you're
Speaker 1: fourth down. You don't stop them on their side of
Speaker 1: the on their side of the field. All right, Let
Speaker 1: me let me let me switch gears here. Let me
Speaker 1: ask you guys about the final drive. Aaron Rodgers, where
Speaker 1: do you go? Nine play? Seventy five yards? Minute too?
Speaker 1: How did you feel about the way the Cowboys defended
Speaker 1: that drive? Could they've done anything differently to try to
Speaker 1: keep him out of the end zone scheme wise, whatever,
Speaker 1: how do you think they went. They went three man line,
Speaker 1: but they kept bringing blitz. Every time they rushed they
Speaker 1: rus they brought either a linebacker one the first past
Speaker 1: they brought a corner and then a safety to try
Speaker 1: and create pressure. They went, They went fourteen yards. They
Speaker 1: went fourteen yards. On the second play, the play to,
Speaker 1: they tackle poorly on the play to Bennett had a
Speaker 1: chance to keep him in bounce and you have a
Speaker 1: mistackle by Hitchens and a mistackle by Xavier Woods. Xavier
Speaker 1: Woods on the field, my young guys, but he missed
Speaker 1: two tackles in that game, or two tackles on that drive.
Speaker 1: They heard you on the long run that they had,
Speaker 1: and then you let Jones run fourteen yards. Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: what they saw. Three man line. They said, okay, and
Speaker 1: if you're gonna blitz up the middle, we're throwing them.
Speaker 1: And then they caught him in that day and then
Speaker 1: and then on the and then on the on the
Speaker 1: Rogers scramble, you had two linebackers that went with Jones
Speaker 1: instead of staying where. You know, we talked about discipline,
Speaker 1: and you know, I don't know who's at mistake, but
Speaker 1: you had Durant and Hitchens both went with Jones when
Speaker 1: he went inside, which allowed you get Ben Samoa up
Speaker 1: the field. There's your lane going down the sidelines, and
Speaker 1: Irving's late trying to get over that. Irving. So if
Speaker 1: I remember Durant was on that side, Durant was playing
Speaker 1: Mike and then and and Hitchens was. Hitchens carried him
Speaker 1: to Durant and they both went with Jones across right,
Speaker 1: and that allowed him to run. Once he got out,
Speaker 1: he broke Mayo as tackle right, which Mayo should have
Speaker 1: had him, Yeah, or at least keep him in the pocket.
Speaker 1: And so that eighteen yard run was as big as
Speaker 1: any pass he through. Yeah, the passes were easy. They
Speaker 1: had him there, felt like though two on the when
Speaker 1: the first fade that they tried to throw the fate
Speaker 1: the back shoulder fake Adams and and you can watch
Speaker 1: it if if you know, Jordan Lewis gets his one
Speaker 1: hand on it, if he could get his left hand
Speaker 1: around a little sooner he had it intersected the ball,
Speaker 1: I think you would have. I still think they should
Speaker 1: protest the concussion protocol. Why that he actually passed it? Oh,
Speaker 1: when I saw touched out pass he was he was. Yeah.
Speaker 1: But see, that's what I'm saying. That's what you're dealing
Speaker 1: with with the Packers when you don't, when you don't
Speaker 1: you know, you have guys playing in the game, and
Speaker 1: you've got veteran receivers. You got Jordy Nelson. Heck, he
Speaker 1: wasn't even on the field at the end Hamstring. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but you got Jordy, You got you know, Adams out
Speaker 1: there playing, you got you know, Cobb wasn't really a
Speaker 1: factor in this game at all. You've credit to Scandrick
Speaker 1: for that. Give him the gig. How to give him
Speaker 1: some credit for that? You know, Marty b with a
Speaker 1: couple of big plays. I mean that's that just shows
Speaker 1: you though, that that he's got, he's got worse personnel
Speaker 1: and he's finding ways to move the football. He's got
Speaker 1: a back. Again. I talk about Jones running for one
Speaker 1: hundred and twenty something yards. He you know, you talk
Speaker 1: about Rogers being m VP, Jones should be just as
Speaker 1: much the MVP. Well, that just showed the run on
Speaker 1: NFL network as I'm I'm a distractable player right now.
Speaker 1: It caught him. It caught him by surprise. You know,
Speaker 1: you're you're running out of time and to be able
Speaker 1: to run the ball and keep that balance. And there's
Speaker 1: the scramble by Rogers. Just two linebackers go with the
Speaker 1: guy underneath Jones, and now you have a lane to
Speaker 1: the outside. And now it went from raw thinking about okay,
Speaker 1: if I get tackled to kicking the game tying field gold,
Speaker 1: which they had missed two extra points. You know you're
Speaker 1: gonna take your chances, David Irvin in the game, maybe
Speaker 1: you get you know, hand up, get a block. But
Speaker 1: now after that eighteen yard run, Rogers is thinking touchdown?
Speaker 1: What it? What it on the touchdown? What did Heath
Speaker 1: have to cover that he didn't widen out a little
Speaker 1: bit more because Rogers said, when once he didn't get
Speaker 1: any with yeah, I knew where I was good. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so Heath got caught inside. It's it's hey, it's it's difficult.
Speaker 1: But again, it's a difficult team to play, especially with
Speaker 1: the quarterback. I said, there's three guys in the league
Speaker 1: that can do that. They held him to twenty all
Speaker 1: that stuff we said, they held him to twenty eight points,
Speaker 1: you know, And Jordan Lewis is the guy that gives
Speaker 1: up the touchdown catch and he told us, after you've
Speaker 1: just mentioned on the play before that was incomplete, could
Speaker 1: have been a pick if he got in his head
Speaker 1: around quicker. He said he didn't get his head turned
Speaker 1: around quickly enough on the touchdown as well. But I
Speaker 1: mean he knew it was he played a terrific game.
Speaker 1: He didn't. He was I think three pass breakups, some
Speaker 1: key stops. He is. He is playing better than Anthony Brown,
Speaker 1: and I didn't think that would initially happen. And I'll
Speaker 1: tell you what, poor O Woozier. The two plays or
Speaker 1: the three plays that he was in on defense, he
Speaker 1: was actually pretty much a factor playing safety, playing safety,
Speaker 1: and then he gets hurt. I didn't know when he
Speaker 1: got hurt. Did you get on special teams? I didn't.
Speaker 1: I wrote it down when he went out because he
Speaker 1: makes a range play playing left, hash ball goes all
Speaker 1: the way out to the right sideline and he runs
Speaker 1: across the field, beats everybody to the ball for basically
Speaker 1: a three yard game. The ball bounces to the outside,
Speaker 1: and so you know, now here's another young guy. But
Speaker 1: you know, the hamstring injury once again forcing him to
Speaker 1: the sideline, you know, and that's that's that's the unfortunate
Speaker 1: thing about this, about what's going on right now with
Speaker 1: this team. But I'll say it again. They held him
Speaker 1: to twenty eight points. They did. Hey, what you want
Speaker 1: about the defense. They held him to twenty eight points.
Speaker 1: They with the final drive they did. But you you
Speaker 1: pointed out the run game issues. Define I understand it's
Speaker 1: too much balance for Aaron Rodgers. And I say last week,
Speaker 1: first one, the thirty five was gonna win. I don't know,
Speaker 1: did you say that, Yes, okay, fine, fine, I'm just saying,
Speaker 1: so you win rank them. If you don't have an
Speaker 1: interception return for a touchdown, we're not having any of this. Well,
Speaker 1: and Brian mentioned the two penalties, one on Mayoa and
Speaker 1: then Hitchens had the face mask. I believe in the
Speaker 1: first half that's fourteen points right there. That probably would
Speaker 1: have stopped that drive as well. Yeah, they would have
Speaker 1: stopped him. I think it was second and seventeen at
Speaker 1: that point. They let him. They let them out of
Speaker 1: jail a couple of different times. The sack, the sack
Speaker 1: that that Lawrence had on the two yard line would
Speaker 1: have been huge. I was just wondering why the guy
Speaker 1: never blew his whistle when Rogers is there with one leg, struggling, struggling, struggling.
Speaker 1: He's waving his hands. He was. He was coming in
Speaker 1: and you could see him from the side wave and
Speaker 1: his hands are going up like he's going to stop
Speaker 1: the play. He did stop the play, but they called
Speaker 1: it for the unsportsome light conduct. I believe they hit
Speaker 1: after he'd blown the whistle. Yeah, Unfortunately, when he was
Speaker 1: blown the whistle, Mayo was already on top of it.
Speaker 1: I got a picture of it. I'll send it to you. Okay,
Speaker 1: looking forward to that. All right, let's take our final
Speaker 1: break when we come back. Let's keep diving into this.
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Speaker 1: One segment left breaking down this loss. Cowboys fall to
Speaker 1: two and three. They're now two games back of the
Speaker 1: four and one Philadelphia Eagles heading into the bye week
Speaker 1: third in the NFC East. Giants are and five and
Speaker 1: have no receivers healthy now apparently some unfortunate injuries there.
Speaker 1: Cowboys have four games left into the Vision after the buy,
Speaker 1: so there's plenty of time to still get things rolling.
Speaker 1: But you'll lose two straight games at home. That's obviously disheartening. Guys.
Speaker 1: I guess we've got a lot of time to discuss
Speaker 1: this team for the next couple of weeks. But just
Speaker 1: give me your overall thoughts of what you think's going right,
Speaker 1: what things need help right now when they come out
Speaker 1: of this buy and go to San Francisco. You know
Speaker 1: what I think you can. I think you have confidence
Speaker 1: in your quarterback. I really really do. And maybe it's not.
Speaker 1: Maybe we're seeing a different side of Dak Prescott because
Speaker 1: last year, you know, the running game was something that
Speaker 1: he could definitely lean on, staying ahead of the chains.
Speaker 1: Now we're seeing a guy that's having to make plays
Speaker 1: in the pocket. Outside the pocket. You know, he's doing
Speaker 1: everything he can to will this team to win. You know,
Speaker 1: the interception to pick six that was unfortunate. You know,
Speaker 1: just that that that happens in games, and you know,
Speaker 1: I think he'll learn it. Hey, maybe I need to
Speaker 1: go to throw the ball to Witten in the flat,
Speaker 1: don't throw it inside to Terence and But I think
Speaker 1: the positive thing for me is through all the you
Speaker 1: know the games that the Denver game was a hard
Speaker 1: game for him. Had to throw the ball fifty times.
Speaker 1: But what I'm learning about him is though when you
Speaker 1: push those chips into the middle of the table, though,
Speaker 1: he's gonna come up for you. He's gonna he's gonna
Speaker 1: give you an opportunity to win. And I can't say
Speaker 1: that about all his teammates. I think there's some things
Speaker 1: on the defensive side of the ball. If you want
Speaker 1: to flip it over there. You know, yeah, you've getten
Speaker 1: a pass rush from DeMarcus Lawrence. You know, you haven't
Speaker 1: gotten very much for Malik Collins inside. I think he's
Speaker 1: helped him a little bit. But you know that you'd
Speaker 1: like to thought he would have been more of a
Speaker 1: dominant player inside. Jalen Smith to me, looks a little
Speaker 1: overmatched with his mobility. He doesn't look his you know,
Speaker 1: whether he's war down or it's just we're starting to
Speaker 1: see the war that he plays, the harder it is
Speaker 1: for him to go make plays. And then the young secondary.
Speaker 1: You know, we talked about that Anthony Brown hasn't I
Speaker 1: don't think it's played as well as we've seen Anthony
Speaker 1: Brown the past year. Hey, good things from you know,
Speaker 1: good things from Jordan Lewis in some tough situations. So
Speaker 1: you know, there's some things good things sprinkled in, but
Speaker 1: there's a little bit more of some bad things that
Speaker 1: we didn't see last year. Defensively, that's and and also
Speaker 1: too with the offensive line. You know, it's it's been
Speaker 1: a problem there at the I don't think the problem
Speaker 1: is totally on the right tackle. I think you're having
Speaker 1: some problems at the at the left guard, and you've
Speaker 1: had some missues at center. You've had some missus at
Speaker 1: left tackle, You've had some missus at at right guard.
Speaker 1: It's been a little bit inconsistent with that group as well.
Speaker 1: Why do you think they do you think Chaz Green
Speaker 1: was healthy enough to play or they wanted to seek
Speaker 1: Cooper again? I for a full week of practice. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And I don't know if you Mickey, you're just your
Speaker 1: sources are just as good as mine getting stories. And
Speaker 1: I'm curious to see what the trust factor is with
Speaker 1: Chaz Green and staying staying healthy. Yeah, okay, here we are.
Speaker 1: We get somebody ready all week to play, and then
Speaker 1: all of a sudden he spits the bit, you know,
Speaker 1: and and the hip the sortists, and you know, maybe
Speaker 1: it's a little bit of a coaches you know, coach
Speaker 1: he practices all week. Then also, wait a minute, we're
Speaker 1: getting ready to go a game and you have a
Speaker 1: little hip hip sore nous. Well, what's that all about?
Speaker 1: You know, that's it's something you can't you know, you
Speaker 1: can only go on the player's word. I'm not saying
Speaker 1: he begged out of this football game last week against
Speaker 1: Darren Donald in that group. But you know, if you're
Speaker 1: a coach, you're like, gosh, we're repping you all week
Speaker 1: to play, Now go play? Can you fight? Yeah? Fight
Speaker 1: through it. I mean there's guys that are banged up,
Speaker 1: Tyron Smith playing with a bad back, you know, with
Speaker 1: the with the disc you know, and there comes a
Speaker 1: point in time and they're like, well, just go with
Speaker 1: the guy that you know. But I don't not that
Speaker 1: Cooper was terrible yesterday, But they've got some issues. You
Speaker 1: put Bell there just because of an experience I think
Speaker 1: that I think to me've seen much from him. No,
Speaker 1: but you know what though Rob said it before at
Speaker 1: Tennessee places he's played guard. You know, if you don't
Speaker 1: if you don't like what you see from Chad's Green,
Speaker 1: or don't trust Chads Green and Jonathan Cooper has not
Speaker 1: been able to get those second level blocks, and and
Speaker 1: you know there was times yesterday in that game where
Speaker 1: you know where Daniels was able to swim right by
Speaker 1: Cooper and but there was Travis Frederick with left eye
Speaker 1: getting over and then now Dak Prescott completing the pass
Speaker 1: to Jason Witton in the middle of the field for
Speaker 1: nine yards. So yeah, it's it's everybody's taken a turn
Speaker 1: at the batrack, you know, having issues, But these are
Speaker 1: issues that we didn't see last year. And despite that,
Speaker 1: in consecutive games they've scored thirty points. Yeah, but it's
Speaker 1: it's it feels like it's been a road to get there. Well,
Speaker 1: it's not easy to score thirty, I know. They just
Speaker 1: they said they have scored forty just more efficiently the offense,
Speaker 1: and the offense has had to almost play perfect because
Speaker 1: they're not getting any help, right, No short are no
Speaker 1: short uh well yardage. Let me get to that. That
Speaker 1: last drive is perfect the way they played it. As
Speaker 1: far as the control passing game, nothing went down the field. No,
Speaker 1: I mean the slants and stuff to dead. They tried
Speaker 1: to take a couple of shots, but you know, Dak
Speaker 1: throwing it underneath was not a bad way of moving
Speaker 1: the football. I was almost like running the ball. It
Speaker 1: was almost like running that stuff to Witton. Absolutely, they
Speaker 1: were okay with five yards five yards. It hasn't been
Speaker 1: easy and then but they were able to you know,
Speaker 1: it was tough on that fourth and one. Mickey, you're
Speaker 1: absolutely right. You know, Elliott football intelligence put the ball forward,
Speaker 1: you know, and then they make make mccaulley in that
Speaker 1: group look at it, and luckily they got it right.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm gonna go back and double checked myself.
Speaker 1: But when I looked at it yesterday, I didn't find
Speaker 1: another instance in this Cowboy history that they scored thirty
Speaker 1: points in consecutive games and lost. Oh it's I'll help
Speaker 1: you look at that. I got. I gotta write a
Speaker 1: stats call in this way, I think, and I might
Speaker 1: be wrong. Somebody can look this up at another time. Maybe, yes,
Speaker 1: But I think Dallas has lost ten games at home
Speaker 1: where they have scored thirty points in their history. No,
Speaker 1: I think I can't remember the date, but it goes
Speaker 1: back and they hadn't lost one since twenty teams. But
Speaker 1: if my Packers beat them thirty seven thirty six, it's
Speaker 1: not shocking though that these last two opponents top thirty points.
Speaker 1: That's what they do well. So and so when you
Speaker 1: mentioned they were two games behind Philadelphia, Yes, and by
Speaker 1: the way, they've got five division games after the buy
Speaker 1: not four. And who have the Eagles played but Arizona
Speaker 1: last Okays, they haven't beat anybody with a winning record.
Speaker 1: They beat Washington. They two and two now, Yes, Redskins
Speaker 1: are two and two. They're off this week. Okay, they
Speaker 1: lost the Kansas City. They beat the Giants, who haven't
Speaker 1: won a game. They beat the Chargers. I don't know
Speaker 1: what they were are they won in Chargers won yesterday
Speaker 1: winning four one and four. And then they beat the
Speaker 1: Ardinals who are two and three. They're two and three now.
Speaker 1: They haven't played Denver. I'm not saying, but they're four
Speaker 1: and one. Just means going to even out right, you
Speaker 1: hope you think on paper maybe, but well maybe they're
Speaker 1: a good football team. Don't they have to play Denver?
Speaker 1: They do? Sure, Like you said, the schedule is pretty
Speaker 1: much the same, right, yeah, yeah, other than the fact
Speaker 1: now you have now you have to play Atlanta as
Speaker 1: your next and see if you go down this schedule.
Speaker 1: You know the Rams are three and two. They're not
Speaker 1: a bad team, but you think you can win that
Speaker 1: one at home? For sure? Green Bay to me is
Speaker 1: that's a toss up game. Now you gotta go steal one.
Speaker 1: You gotta go, like go steal one in Atlanta. Rams.
Speaker 1: That's that's true. That's the one that hurt. And you'd like,
Speaker 1: like you said, you'd like to score thirty one points
Speaker 1: and beat the Packers at home as well. That didn't
Speaker 1: work out last year either, They lost thirty four to
Speaker 1: thirty one in January. So another thing you guys pointed out.
Speaker 1: You got to the short fields being an issue. And
Speaker 1: this team miss Shawn Lee, there's no question about it.
Speaker 1: You hope this bye week can get him healthy and
Speaker 1: he's ready to go at sort out there. Yeah, that's good.
Speaker 1: They're tied for twenty fifth and turnover margin, they're minus three.
Speaker 1: They've got four takeaways. That's tied for the third fewest
Speaker 1: in the NFL. Right now, I got a cheapie at
Speaker 1: the end. I was gonna say they shouldn't have an asterispect.
Speaker 1: They got a cheap at the end around at the end. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the bands on the field play, Yeah, it was worked.
Speaker 1: The band on the field play. You know what if
Speaker 1: I love that, by the way, by the way, band
Speaker 1: on the field play. Yeah, if Dak Prescott he had
Speaker 1: he had Cole Beasley to his right and they had
Speaker 1: a blocker onto that side. Dude, it look for a second,
Speaker 1: if he could have got the ball to Beasley. Now
Speaker 1: Beasley would have had to motorate. But man, there was
Speaker 1: a chance down that right silent. But the band on
Speaker 1: the field play. They gave him a fumble. The league
Speaker 1: gave him. Okay, actually enough, Yeah, but how about the
Speaker 1: play before, Yeah, Beasley breaks open down the middle like that.
Speaker 1: I guess I'm speaking more to to takeaways. No, and
Speaker 1: they and they got four. I think they got four
Speaker 1: takeaways at lambeau Field last year, right won the game
Speaker 1: thirty to sixteen. And I mean, they've got to be
Speaker 1: able to generate some extra possessions, especially when we're talking about, oh, well,
Speaker 1: you gotta match Aaron Rodgers, right, and they're not doing
Speaker 1: that right now for a defense that once forty takeaways
Speaker 1: in a season. On it's the last time they had
Speaker 1: a takeaway. It's been a couple of games, right, it
Speaker 1: hadn't been the last two Denver's Malik Collins fumble recovery.
Speaker 1: Maybe it sounds right, Kent at Arizona Denver in Denver.
Speaker 1: I know they had a couple of intercepts at two
Speaker 1: interceptions in Denver, right at two Brown and then Lewis
Speaker 1: Lewis Scott one right, Yeah, how these games all of
Speaker 1: a sudden go kind of juggling in my head. But
Speaker 1: see and and at times you see good things out
Speaker 1: of the defense. It's just not consistent. And Brian's right,
Speaker 1: you know you got Lewis playing well. You know, Irving's back.
Speaker 1: What do you think of his game last That was
Speaker 1: a lot better than I was figuring after not playing
Speaker 1: for six weeks? Did he rush exclusively inside? Was he
Speaker 1: was the nose tackle? Was not on the nickel anon base?
Speaker 1: I think I want to think that was one snap
Speaker 1: that he played as a defensive end. In the three
Speaker 1: man line just to kind of get he can get him,
Speaker 1: give him a different look. Yeah, but they you know
Speaker 1: he played well, they're just not getting anything out of
Speaker 1: that other defensive end spot. Well, they put Kyle Wilbur
Speaker 1: on the field in the base for Wilson. Yeah, And
Speaker 1: there was a couple of different times where he got trapped.
Speaker 1: It's now he made a heck of a play on
Speaker 1: the sack, on the Crawford sack because he reads the
Speaker 1: screen and he gets over to cover Jones, but Crawford
Speaker 1: is right on top of Rogers before his chance to
Speaker 1: get rid of the ball. But there were a couple
Speaker 1: other times where Wilburg got trapped inside and the ball
Speaker 1: goes to the edge and you know, instead of being
Speaker 1: on the edge and filling with like you're supposed to,
Speaker 1: he gets caught inside and now the balls on the outside.
Speaker 1: And so you know they've had guys, it's we've talked
Speaker 1: about this. You know, guys have come in and trying
Speaker 1: to replace guys that make mistakes. Well, when the guy
Speaker 1: comes in, it's playing for a guy who's making mistakes,
Speaker 1: and he makes mistakes. It's it's just a double whammy
Speaker 1: right there. I mean other than you know, Okay, Irving
Speaker 1: comes in, has a nice game, right, Collins I think
Speaker 1: had two tackles. We know what Lawrence did. The other
Speaker 1: guys Mayowa tackled Charlton and Brian Price zeroed out. They
Speaker 1: had nothing for however many plays they played. Moore had
Speaker 1: one tackle. Crawford had a sack and one tackle. Did
Speaker 1: you see him running left? They were running to the
Speaker 1: Cowboys right, tacking the edges for sure. Yeah, and they
Speaker 1: got to get something on their side or teams are
Speaker 1: gonna do what they're doing to Lawrence. Now, Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: what they've had the problem that they've had over there
Speaker 1: is that when they do run to the Cowboys, right,
Speaker 1: that's supposedly a player that you can you know that
Speaker 1: you can count on to play the run. Crawford, you
Speaker 1: guy with some power over there. You know, Mickey's right
Speaker 1: about putting Benson Mayowa over there. You know he gets
Speaker 1: sometimes he gets washed. You put taco in there, he
Speaker 1: gets washed. You know. That's that's difficult, very difficult. How
Speaker 1: many snaps when Sean Lee gets healthy, would you play
Speaker 1: Jalen Smith? I think Jalen Smith needs to play twenty
Speaker 1: maybe maybe fifteen to twenty snaps a game. I mean,
Speaker 1: he played seventy against the Rams, and he was on
Speaker 1: the field quite a bit again yesterday, and and you
Speaker 1: know what, he had a couple of misses in the hole,
Speaker 1: you know, and and if Jalen Smith is missing in
Speaker 1: the hole, right, that's a problem. And then you look
Speaker 1: on the on the flip play, you know it's they
Speaker 1: they run the flip play. They they they got they
Speaker 1: got ten yards on fourth and one. Jalen is the
Speaker 1: outside guy, and he's got a break to the ball.
Speaker 1: He's got a break to the outside because they got
Speaker 1: down down and they got to get him to the
Speaker 1: edge to try and make the ball either come back
Speaker 1: inside or him make the play. It just not quick
Speaker 1: enough laterally to make that play. The ball got to
Speaker 1: the corner and next thing you know, he's he's just
Speaker 1: a half step slow. But where maybe you know, if
Speaker 1: it's Sean Lee or if it's Hitchens or somebody play
Speaker 1: in that spot. They run through and make the play.
Speaker 1: And then now you're got the ball on their forty
Speaker 1: seven yard line and chance to close the game out.
Speaker 1: I just I give him, don't know, how how do
Speaker 1: they how do they solve this though? Well, you get
Speaker 1: everybody at so I give him so much credit for
Speaker 1: what he's been able to do out there. But great story.
Speaker 1: But but you ideally at point was ideally you've got
Speaker 1: a package of plays for him, and you've got the
Speaker 1: veteran guys taken most of the snaps in his first
Speaker 1: year on the field, right it, Maybe it would be
Speaker 1: good for him to sit and watch for a little
Speaker 1: bit and just say, Okay, okay, this is how they're
Speaker 1: doing it. You know, here's some adjustments instead. Now it's
Speaker 1: you know, because he's he's he plays like this. He's
Speaker 1: a he's a bouncer and it's oh and it's a forward,
Speaker 1: it's back and and he's never really going anywhere, and
Speaker 1: you're and you're thinking, just you want him just to react.
Speaker 1: You want him just to step up. Saw that near
Speaker 1: the goal line up specific running play well and and
Speaker 1: they were able to joked him in. You know, he
Speaker 1: went low another time he missed to tackle, and you know,
Speaker 1: God bless him. I mean, he's doing it. I'm not
Speaker 1: having having to play because your linebackers aren't healthy enough
Speaker 1: to play. Admirable what he's been able to do. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but he's forced into this situation, the situation. So my
Speaker 1: point was how do you how do you get out
Speaker 1: of it? Because you've created this this image of whoa
Speaker 1: this is a great story Kitchens and Lee. If you're
Speaker 1: if you've got a play right, faithful to your team,
Speaker 1: if you're faithful to what the Garrett talks about putting
Speaker 1: the best players out there. Fifty nine and fifty are
Speaker 1: your two best players at linebacker to play in that situation,
Speaker 1: you know, and the problem is you don't know what's
Speaker 1: going on at the sam. You don't know what's going
Speaker 1: on with fifty seven. You know, he's an athlete that
Speaker 1: makes mistakes, and then fifty one is an athlete makes
Speaker 1: an occasionally good play, but then has two bad plays
Speaker 1: where now you're going, okay, that that kills us right there.
Speaker 1: So they have they're putting guys in positions to make plays,
Speaker 1: guys aren't making plays. Another really good example, they call
Speaker 1: a blitz and they throw They bring Scandrick on the
Speaker 1: corner blitz and he has both. Basically he just can't
Speaker 1: get his hands up quick enough, you know, to secure
Speaker 1: secure the ball, so he gets knocked up in the air.
Speaker 1: It's incomplete where if if somehow he catches that ball
Speaker 1: on the blitz, he sees it, he goes up, he
Speaker 1: catches that ball. You've got the ball on the packer
Speaker 1: eighteen yard line with a chance to go up thirty
Speaker 1: one twenty two. You know, just a chance. I mean,
Speaker 1: you know you're gonna get the ball right there. Or
Speaker 1: if he could just tip it up and then find
Speaker 1: it and then make the play. That's just the things.
Speaker 1: Those are the things against Aaron Rodgers. To beat him,
Speaker 1: you've got to have breaks like that. They just didn't
Speaker 1: get enough of those breaks where but they did. They
Speaker 1: sacked him, they get a roughing penalty. They they they
Speaker 1: get a tip ball on slot blitz, they don't intercept it.
Speaker 1: You know, that's that's They have the ball in the
Speaker 1: end zone and it's one hand one and couldn't get
Speaker 1: around for two. They hit him. They sacked him four times.
Speaker 1: They hit him six more. It might have been more
Speaker 1: than that, because it wasn't. It was still the first
Speaker 1: quarter and Joe Buck said they've hit him five times.
Speaker 1: So they did those things, but an't stopped the run.
Speaker 1: And and if teams are gonna run like that on you,
Speaker 1: you're gonna be in trouble. Yeah, One more for you
Speaker 1: got about a minute left? Is it good? One? Yeah?
Speaker 1: How do you guys solve the third quarter issues? Like?
Speaker 1: What is there any type of pattern to why they're
Speaker 1: scoreless in the third quarter? Again, I gotta go back
Speaker 1: and see what it's been, but that seems to be
Speaker 1: offensively the quarter where they've struggled, and I I don't
Speaker 1: know why. Well, one of the reasons why is they
Speaker 1: only had one possession. Well that's part of it. But
Speaker 1: they had three punts last week in the third quarter
Speaker 1: they had such a great half, they had one this time. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and they actually, Yeah, it's so funny because type of
Speaker 1: possession the third year, right, Rob three thirty two to
Speaker 1: eleven twenty eight. You know what I mean that? That
Speaker 1: I mean that was that fourteen play drive that eighty
Speaker 1: eight yards Packers. There they went, they went, they got,
Speaker 1: they drove and had to punt and on the first
Speaker 1: possession and the Cowboys punted. Okay, fair enough, like they
Speaker 1: had a punt that kind of stalled their momentum after
Speaker 1: a great half. That was the same story last week,
Speaker 1: is all I'm saying. I don't you're looking for answers
Speaker 1: to how to start the third quarter? Ye see what
Speaker 1: my biggest you want to know what the biggest problem,
Speaker 1: one of the biggest problems I have the missed opportunity
Speaker 1: right before half to get points. Yeah, two timeouts, and
Speaker 1: you're moving the ball smartly, and you get a you
Speaker 1: get the sack, you get the well and he's got
Speaker 1: Dez Bryant open in the middle, so he's trying to
Speaker 1: load it up to get the Dez. But here's Perry
Speaker 1: coming around, knocks the ball out of your hand. You know,
Speaker 1: if they complete that pass, the ball is going to
Speaker 1: be basically on the on the green bay thirty seven.
Speaker 1: You got two timeouts, you hit one time out there.
Speaker 1: Now you're thinking about, okay, maybe we take another shot
Speaker 1: down the field, but instead you get the ball knocked out.
Speaker 1: And then Jason says, ah, this is not he didn't like.
Speaker 1: This is not this is not worth it. If you
Speaker 1: start thinking of Washington a couple of but yeah, but
Speaker 1: but you're moving the ball smartly. You are, you're moving
Speaker 1: it and you got two timeouts. If and I'm thinking,
Speaker 1: just get a field goal here, because the Packers get
Speaker 1: the ball to start the second half, they deferred. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's my that was my fear. All of a sudden
Speaker 1: the Packers score, and then you don't do anything. And
Speaker 1: then now they get the ball back and they score again.
Speaker 1: Now that lead you had gets even more compressed. And
Speaker 1: slip I said they stopped him. They stopped him for
Speaker 1: a field goal. Yeah, field goals. Okay. So the Cowboys
Speaker 1: come back. They get the ball to their own forty two,
Speaker 1: got a first down. First play, they try to go
Speaker 1: deep to Dez. It's incomplete handoff to second play. What
Speaker 1: happens minus two. Now you're third and twelve. That's how
Speaker 1: you kill. And that was the only time they touched
Speaker 1: the ball in the quarter. And there were minus plays
Speaker 1: against the Rams as well. So many things to discuss,
Speaker 1: so many questions coming out of the game. I hope
Speaker 1: we answered a few of them. We'll be back. Did
Speaker 1: we take any calls. We did not take any calls.
Speaker 1: I apologize. It's a lot to dig through when you
Speaker 1: play the Packers. We have tomorrow. We have tomorrow as well.
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