WEBVTT - Talkin' Cowboys: Second Guessing The Final Drives 0:00:02.560 --> 0:00:08.160 This he is Talking Cowboys, screaming live on Dallas Cowboys 0:00:08.200 --> 0:00:16.880 dot Com and the officials Dallas Cowboys. Accepted by no 0:00:17.400 --> 0:00:22.360 your hosts Mickey Spagnola. Brian brought us Taylor Stern and 0:00:22.960 --> 0:00:26.360 Rob Phillips. Good morning from the Star in Frisco and 0:00:26.440 --> 0:00:31.280 welcome to Talking Cowboys inside the SWBC Mortgage Studio. Tay 0:00:31.400 --> 0:00:34.040 Stern is out today, look forward to getting her back 0:00:34.600 --> 0:00:39.120 very soon, Rob taking her place hosting for the day, 0:00:39.440 --> 0:00:42.480 Joined as always by Mickey Spagnola. Brian brought us Kick 0:00:42.520 --> 0:00:47.159 Garrison producing next door inside the Garrison. Another Blue Monday 0:00:47.200 --> 0:00:51.839 guys here at the Star. Aaron Rodgers did it to 0:00:51.920 --> 0:00:54.840 him again? Yeah? Did it again? Thirty five thirty one 0:00:56.080 --> 0:00:59.600 Cowboys fall to the Packers, second time in nine months, 0:00:59.640 --> 0:01:01.760 in the second time in nine months that they fall 0:01:01.880 --> 0:01:08.160 in really just heartbreaking fashion, stunning fashion, final seconds fashion, 0:01:09.240 --> 0:01:14.800 last possession fashion. Yep, bad fashion. Enter the bye week 0:01:15.400 --> 0:01:20.080 in bad form two and three, with a couple of 0:01:20.120 --> 0:01:22.440 weeks to think about it and think about what number 0:01:22.440 --> 0:01:24.720 twelve did on that last drive. And you better hope 0:01:25.680 --> 0:01:30.560 that an emotional loss like this doesn't linger, and that's 0:01:30.600 --> 0:01:33.800 obviously going to linger for two weeks with the bye 0:01:33.880 --> 0:01:37.000 coming up, you almost wish the bye wasn't here and 0:01:37.040 --> 0:01:39.760 you can prepare for another game and you didn't have 0:01:39.800 --> 0:01:43.160 to sit around and think about this. A lot of 0:01:43.160 --> 0:01:49.680 times you have a loss in the season and it'll it'll, 0:01:49.960 --> 0:01:53.520 it'll kill the season. And I'm not trying to compare 0:01:53.600 --> 0:01:57.520 this to that ninety seven season when the Cowboys were 0:01:57.520 --> 0:01:59.560 six and five and went up to Green Bay and 0:01:59.720 --> 0:02:02.080 was very important game for them to win and they 0:02:02.160 --> 0:02:07.160 got their clocks kicked and they didn't win another game 0:02:07.240 --> 0:02:09.639 the rest of the year. Now, I'm not comparing that 0:02:09.680 --> 0:02:12.840 to this, but those things can happen if you lose 0:02:12.880 --> 0:02:15.680 your emotion. Now, those guys to the locker room would say, 0:02:15.840 --> 0:02:18.639 we will not let this happen. We will continue on. 0:02:19.120 --> 0:02:21.359 But they got a lot to overcome when they look 0:02:21.400 --> 0:02:25.560 at what they nearly accomplished, what they should have accomplished, 0:02:25.760 --> 0:02:28.240 and then for the second week in a row, get 0:02:28.280 --> 0:02:30.920 beat like that something that hadn't happened since the end 0:02:30.919 --> 0:02:33.519 of the twenty fifteen season. Losing two games in a row. 0:02:33.639 --> 0:02:36.200 A lot of faces of disbelief in that locker room 0:02:36.240 --> 0:02:39.320 after the game, Brian, I mean again, the second time 0:02:39.360 --> 0:02:41.600 it's happened against this opponent where you play a really 0:02:41.840 --> 0:02:44.640 good game, not necessarily complete game, but a good enough 0:02:44.680 --> 0:02:47.200 game to win, and he snatches it right from you. 0:02:47.440 --> 0:02:49.840 Oh no, you know, in all week long, we had 0:02:49.840 --> 0:02:54.160 talked about, you know, what Aaron Rodgers could do, and 0:02:54.280 --> 0:02:57.560 you know the problems that he presented, and you know 0:02:57.600 --> 0:03:00.440 the fact that I used the words and you got 0:03:00.440 --> 0:03:02.800 to play with discipline when you play against Aaron Rodgers, 0:03:02.840 --> 0:03:08.320 and you know it's his ability to manufacture things at 0:03:08.320 --> 0:03:11.240 the darkest of times for the you know, the Packers, 0:03:11.240 --> 0:03:13.400 I mean they were you know, you look at the 0:03:13.720 --> 0:03:16.359 final drive of that football game, and you know the 0:03:16.600 --> 0:03:18.840 whole fourth quarter that they didn't have the football. They 0:03:18.840 --> 0:03:21.720 had the ball for two minutes in sixteen seconds in 0:03:21.760 --> 0:03:24.320 the fourth quarter. That was it. That's incredible. And all 0:03:24.360 --> 0:03:27.600 he needed was a minute in minute thirteen to win 0:03:27.639 --> 0:03:30.280 that football game. You know, you limited the number of 0:03:30.320 --> 0:03:33.520 possessions they had. Uh you know, unfortunately you had the 0:03:33.520 --> 0:03:37.880 pick six that went against you. You had some untimely penalties, 0:03:38.120 --> 0:03:40.520 two big ones. Yeah, that helped them get touched out. 0:03:40.600 --> 0:03:43.800 The face mask penalty on Hitchens was a was a 0:03:43.880 --> 0:03:47.440 terrible situation because that would have likely kept them out 0:03:47.480 --> 0:03:50.960 of a field goal range. And then you had the 0:03:51.800 --> 0:03:55.160 roughing the passer, the un sportsmanlike conduct penalty, you know 0:03:55.280 --> 0:03:57.760 on Benson Maywell, when you have a sack, you know, 0:03:57.880 --> 0:04:00.360 Terry McCauley's trying to blow the play dead, and you 0:04:00.440 --> 0:04:02.840 still take a run at the quarterback. So you know, 0:04:02.840 --> 0:04:04.839 when you're playing, it gets the team and a guy 0:04:04.880 --> 0:04:08.840 like Aaron Rodgers, you just can't give them any extra uh, 0:04:09.120 --> 0:04:15.000 any extra plays, any extra incentive to continue on. I 0:04:15.080 --> 0:04:17.520 felt like defensively, there was some really good things in 0:04:17.520 --> 0:04:19.520 this game. You know that, I felt like the some 0:04:19.600 --> 0:04:22.320 of the pressure that they were able to get some 0:04:22.400 --> 0:04:25.720 of the hits. What I wasn't ready for was Green 0:04:25.760 --> 0:04:28.839 Bay running the football. You know that that I think 0:04:28.920 --> 0:04:31.960 that right there we talk about Rogers, but what Jones 0:04:32.040 --> 0:04:34.240 was able to do in this football game gave the 0:04:34.279 --> 0:04:37.920 Packers balance and it didn't let the Cowboys just completely 0:04:37.960 --> 0:04:40.960 try and tee off on Aaron Rodgers because it looked 0:04:41.000 --> 0:04:43.000 like they were getting some pressure, they were going to 0:04:43.080 --> 0:04:46.679 get some you know, David Irvine and Lawrence and those guys. 0:04:46.680 --> 0:04:48.520 It looked like they were going to create some problems. 0:04:48.880 --> 0:04:51.240 You know, maybe Rogers just continues to throw and throw 0:04:51.279 --> 0:04:53.960 but they did get some hits on him. It's just 0:04:54.279 --> 0:04:56.919 like I say, it's that guy almost forces you to 0:04:56.960 --> 0:04:59.000 play a perfect game. He really does, and and the 0:04:59.080 --> 0:05:01.520 NFL it's it's hard to play a perfect game. Well, 0:05:01.560 --> 0:05:04.160 you guys want to work backward. Yeah, let me say 0:05:04.240 --> 0:05:06.839 this first, go ahead, McK are weak to the point 0:05:06.880 --> 0:05:09.680 that any old Jones can run for one hundred yards 0:05:09.720 --> 0:05:12.240 against the Cowboys. I bet there's fans that had to 0:05:12.279 --> 0:05:15.880 look up who he was. You know, Aaron Jones, you 0:05:16.320 --> 0:05:20.200 tip if you listen to the draft show, did he 0:05:20.279 --> 0:05:23.080 get drafted? Yes? And by the way, you guys will 0:05:23.120 --> 0:05:25.360 have a draft show, but nobody needs to tune into 0:05:25.400 --> 0:05:27.080 that he was a I want to say he was 0:05:27.080 --> 0:05:29.960 a fourth round pick, okay, fifth round, fifth round out 0:05:29.960 --> 0:05:32.839 of you tip? Yeah, And he's not their first option. 0:05:32.920 --> 0:05:35.640 Jamaal Williams was their fourth round pick the running back, 0:05:35.920 --> 0:05:37.640 and then yeah, and then Aaron Jones was a fifth 0:05:37.720 --> 0:05:41.120 round pick. Time Montgomery was intactive back because of the ribs. 0:05:41.600 --> 0:05:44.040 So they roll with Jones and they've been happy with him. 0:05:44.040 --> 0:05:46.440 But it's not like he's Dorsey Levins. He hasn't been 0:05:46.480 --> 0:05:48.680 a big factor in their offense. Obviously, even in the 0:05:48.680 --> 0:05:52.320 first month of the season, and once again you don't 0:05:52.360 --> 0:05:55.840 have Sean Lee, and the problems in the running games 0:05:55.839 --> 0:05:59.080 show up for really third time this season. Out of 0:05:59.120 --> 0:06:01.240 third time a team, a team is rushed for at 0:06:01.320 --> 0:06:04.600 least one hundred and sixty yards against him, one sixty 0:06:04.680 --> 0:06:07.400 eight and one seventy eight. Bad recipe right there. So 0:06:08.040 --> 0:06:11.200 we can sit here and talk about pressure and defensive 0:06:11.360 --> 0:06:14.160 ends and all this stuff if you don't stop the run. 0:06:14.600 --> 0:06:17.000 And what was the key thing in the winning drive? 0:06:17.200 --> 0:06:20.240 There were two runs, right, he had a fourteen yard 0:06:20.360 --> 0:06:23.400 run and Rogers had an eighteen yard run. That's thirty 0:06:23.400 --> 0:06:27.560 two yards. Yeah, you can't have that. And as long 0:06:27.600 --> 0:06:29.640 as they're not going to stop the run, they're gonna 0:06:29.680 --> 0:06:33.839 have problems winning ball games because their secondary is not 0:06:34.000 --> 0:06:37.760 good enough to stand up to whatever happened. And the 0:06:37.800 --> 0:06:41.799 shame of the matter is is that they defense actually 0:06:41.839 --> 0:06:44.559 as bad as you may think they played. They held 0:06:44.560 --> 0:06:48.520 the Packers to twenty eight points and then you said, hey, Aaron, 0:06:49.040 --> 0:06:52.320 here's seven, go ahead, take it and get to thirty five, 0:06:52.360 --> 0:06:55.600 and you lose a game. Give up thirty five points 0:06:55.640 --> 0:06:59.240 two weeks in a row. Yeah, Dak Prescott played a 0:06:59.360 --> 0:07:02.159 terrific ball game twenty five or thirty six, two hundred 0:07:02.200 --> 0:07:06.520 and fifty one yards, four overall touchdowns, three passing. That 0:07:06.600 --> 0:07:09.720 interception is really not on him. I mean, well but 0:07:09.920 --> 0:07:11.400 you you wrote, you know, he put the ball a 0:07:11.400 --> 0:07:14.520 little wide. But it's a catchable football for Terrence will Yeah, 0:07:14.560 --> 0:07:17.360 Terrence Williams is and we understand what Terrence Williams is 0:07:17.400 --> 0:07:19.960 as a receiver. You know, he's a guy that if 0:07:19.960 --> 0:07:23.080 he has the opportunity to get the ball against his body, 0:07:23.280 --> 0:07:25.000 you know, nine times that attend he's going to make 0:07:25.000 --> 0:07:27.960 a catch. That time though, he just couldn't couldn't bring 0:07:28.000 --> 0:07:30.520 it in. You know, the give the Packers some credit 0:07:30.560 --> 0:07:33.280 with the way that they were playing their defense. They're 0:07:33.320 --> 0:07:36.160 playing his zone coverage and you know and once the ball, 0:07:36.960 --> 0:07:40.360 once the ball went, you know it was tipped. You know, uh, 0:07:40.480 --> 0:07:43.400 Randall was right de Marius Randall was right there to 0:07:43.600 --> 0:07:46.520 make the play. And you know, I mean there's there's 0:07:46.560 --> 0:07:48.440 there's all kinds of things that you could say it 0:07:48.760 --> 0:07:52.320 happened in this football game, but that right there was 0:07:52.320 --> 0:07:56.240 was just it was a devastating, devastating play for the 0:07:56.440 --> 0:07:59.880 for the Cowboys, just to give them that easy those 0:08:00.080 --> 0:08:02.680 easy points after they had been moving the ball pretty 0:08:02.680 --> 0:08:05.840 well throughout the game. That gave the Packers of twenty 0:08:05.880 --> 0:08:10.000 eight twenty four lead in the fourth quarter. The interception 0:08:10.120 --> 0:08:13.040 returned for a touchdown, and then I've talked about working backwards. 0:08:13.040 --> 0:08:16.920 Then we go to the Cowboys final scoring drive in 0:08:17.000 --> 0:08:19.080 the fourth quarter, and everybody wants to talk about that 0:08:19.160 --> 0:08:22.960 because as well as the offense played, and really they 0:08:23.000 --> 0:08:26.480 got going in terms of balance in the fourth quarter. 0:08:26.560 --> 0:08:28.560 I think Zeke had eighty five rushing yards in the 0:08:28.600 --> 0:08:31.320 fourth quarter. Right, got some things going, They get a 0:08:31.360 --> 0:08:34.640 big fourth down conversion, they score touchdown. But the question 0:08:34.679 --> 0:08:36.720 coming out of it is, when you're facing Aaron Rodgers, 0:08:37.120 --> 0:08:38.839 did you leave too much time on the clock. I 0:08:38.880 --> 0:08:41.720 don't know if there's ever not enough time on the 0:08:41.760 --> 0:08:44.200 clock against Aaron Rodgers, but there was a minute thirteen 0:08:44.920 --> 0:08:47.959 and obviously he did what he did nine place, seventy 0:08:47.960 --> 0:08:51.640 five yards touchdown. What do you think about that last 0:08:51.720 --> 0:08:54.800 drive and the way it was executed late by Dallas 0:08:54.840 --> 0:09:00.480 to take the lead eight they burned eight minutes and 0:09:00.600 --> 0:09:04.040 forty three seconds off the clock. I mean, were they 0:09:04.080 --> 0:09:08.199 supposed to take off ten minutes in a drive? Eight 0:09:08.400 --> 0:09:11.600 forty three and seventeen plays? They didn't get in a hurry. 0:09:12.520 --> 0:09:15.240 They actually stayed with the run. Yeah. Can I ask 0:09:15.280 --> 0:09:17.600 you a question, Nope, Because you seem to be very 0:09:17.600 --> 0:09:21.360 critical of the defense, and rightfully so, knowing what you 0:09:21.440 --> 0:09:23.800 knew about how the defense was playing though, and you 0:09:23.880 --> 0:09:25.920 even said it about the secondary not being able to 0:09:25.960 --> 0:09:28.840 cover anybody and then not being able to stop the run. 0:09:29.320 --> 0:09:31.600 Do you have to play that last bit of the 0:09:31.640 --> 0:09:35.440 game a little bit unconventionally? I would have played one 0:09:35.520 --> 0:09:41.120 play differently. Yeah. And my understanding was on the second 0:09:41.400 --> 0:09:44.959 and two second two at the eleven, right, it was 0:09:45.000 --> 0:09:49.360 a run pass option. Maybe you don't give them that, Okay, 0:09:49.400 --> 0:09:53.120 it was incomplete. Say you'd run it, yes, doesn't mean 0:09:53.120 --> 0:09:55.320 you're gonna pick it up. Yeah, But you could have 0:09:55.440 --> 0:09:58.000 run it. They would have had to call time out, right, 0:09:58.120 --> 0:10:01.280 But they only had one time out left, even after 0:10:01.679 --> 0:10:05.400 not having a time out there, right, the Packers, the packers, 0:10:05.480 --> 0:10:07.400 the Packers had one time at one time out, right, 0:10:07.480 --> 0:10:09.560 So if you had run it, you're making them burn 0:10:09.600 --> 0:10:11.839 their last sire. They're calling time out, they're calling their 0:10:11.840 --> 0:10:14.400 time out and then but they didn't need that time 0:10:14.440 --> 0:10:17.600 out the entire drive. They called it with twenty nine 0:10:17.640 --> 0:10:19.600 seconds to go, They used it on third and seven, 0:10:19.640 --> 0:10:22.080 I believe, or third and eight before it. Yeah, they 0:10:22.600 --> 0:10:24.640 used they used it all, but they ran. See, they 0:10:24.640 --> 0:10:27.200 didn't need to run that play to drive for two yards. 0:10:27.600 --> 0:10:29.719 That's when they burned the time out right after that, 0:10:29.840 --> 0:10:31.920 Right they had driven the length of the field, they 0:10:31.920 --> 0:10:34.600 were already down there. So to me, you would have 0:10:34.640 --> 0:10:37.880 taken the time out away from them. But are you 0:10:38.040 --> 0:10:40.880 guaranteeing me you're going to score the touchdown? I think 0:10:40.920 --> 0:10:44.720 with the seventeen play drive, I would have felt good 0:10:44.760 --> 0:10:49.079 about either a if you give me four fresh excuse me, 0:10:49.120 --> 0:10:51.079 if you give me four gosh, I can't talk. You're 0:10:51.120 --> 0:10:54.400 good four fresh downs. If you give me four fresh downs, 0:10:55.280 --> 0:10:57.360 and I know they don't have a time out left, 0:10:58.280 --> 0:11:00.760 and I'm thinking, okay, yeah, sure, I could throw the 0:11:01.080 --> 0:11:03.160 back shoulder to DEAs. I could throw the fade if 0:11:03.160 --> 0:11:06.000 they want to throw to deaths like they did. Or 0:11:06.040 --> 0:11:08.040 you could run the read option like they did. They 0:11:08.040 --> 0:11:10.800 scored on an eleven yard run on that. I think 0:11:11.000 --> 0:11:14.080 you had options. I don't think the Packers would have 0:11:14.120 --> 0:11:17.400 stopped you, and if all likely, the Packers might have 0:11:17.440 --> 0:11:20.240 given you the touchdown. Now, coaches don't like to be 0:11:20.280 --> 0:11:23.880 criticized for that anytime that that probably was the smart 0:11:23.960 --> 0:11:26.199 thing to do. You know, if you're if you're in fact, 0:11:26.240 --> 0:11:29.440 you've given up seventeen plays and you're thinking the only 0:11:29.440 --> 0:11:31.520 way we're gonna win this football game is get the 0:11:31.520 --> 0:11:34.920 ball back to Aaron Rodgers. You know. Now, coaches don't 0:11:34.920 --> 0:11:38.000 like that criticism, right, They really really don't. They don't 0:11:38.040 --> 0:11:40.800 want to take that, you know. And and it was 0:11:41.160 --> 0:11:44.160 you know in Scott Linahan looks like he says, it's 0:11:44.200 --> 0:11:46.640 my job to score Rod Marinelli, it's your job now 0:11:46.679 --> 0:11:49.160 to stop them. You know, that's kind of you know 0:11:49.280 --> 0:11:50.959 a little bit of the mindset, right, kind of what 0:11:51.040 --> 0:11:53.760 Mickey just said. Yeah, seventeen play drive that eats up 0:11:53.760 --> 0:11:55.880 almost nine minutes. See, that's what I'm saying. I just 0:11:55.920 --> 0:11:58.760 don't feel like that Green Bay. And it could have happened, 0:11:58.760 --> 0:12:00.840 you could have had a mistake, but the way that 0:12:00.920 --> 0:12:03.680 they were smartly moving the ball. I thought Scott Linehan 0:12:03.840 --> 0:12:07.280 handled the last portion of that game very well. Until 0:12:07.400 --> 0:12:09.320 you talk about it, if it's an if it's a 0:12:10.440 --> 0:12:14.360 RPO run pass option, and Dak felt like that that 0:12:14.520 --> 0:12:16.640 was the best play. Now, if you watched the play, 0:12:16.760 --> 0:12:19.640 and I know you will Mickey already did. Did you 0:12:19.679 --> 0:12:22.000 see them come off the ball? See they To me, 0:12:22.200 --> 0:12:25.200 it was like they were pass blocking more than they 0:12:25.200 --> 0:12:27.640 were run blocking. And if if in fact it was 0:12:27.679 --> 0:12:29.920 a run block, even if they were, even if they 0:12:29.920 --> 0:12:32.360 showed the way it was. You watch the end zone. Okay, 0:12:32.360 --> 0:12:35.520 they hand the ball to Elliott, he's gonna burrow between 0:12:35.960 --> 0:12:38.880 Martin and Frederick, and he's gonna at least get two 0:12:38.920 --> 0:12:41.360 yards at least, I mean the way it thinks, because 0:12:41.360 --> 0:12:43.920 they didn't have enough in the box to play the run. 0:12:44.400 --> 0:12:47.040 They didn't have enough from what I saw. So if 0:12:47.040 --> 0:12:49.040 they do hand the ball, it's a two yard game. 0:12:50.000 --> 0:12:51.760 Now you get the fresh set of downs. Now you 0:12:51.800 --> 0:12:54.800 make them use your timeouts. Now you start to work 0:12:54.840 --> 0:12:57.400 on work on the clock a little bit. Keep running 0:12:57.440 --> 0:13:00.360 the ball. Are they gonna stop you four straight times? 0:13:00.360 --> 0:13:02.840 Probably not? And you're you're talking second and two from 0:13:02.880 --> 0:13:05.320 the green bay eleven right they went. They went to 0:13:05.400 --> 0:13:08.520 Deaz instead in the end zone right right, so to me, 0:13:08.559 --> 0:13:10.800 And then you score on the next play. Now again, 0:13:11.280 --> 0:13:13.080 you could have got the first down a green bay 0:13:13.120 --> 0:13:16.040 and said, okay, we're not gonna put but but coaches 0:13:16.120 --> 0:13:18.760 don't generally want to get criticized. They would say, well, 0:13:18.760 --> 0:13:20.760 the best thing to do is let him score. Well, 0:13:20.760 --> 0:13:23.319 coaches don't want to get criticized for doing that. Nope, 0:13:23.440 --> 0:13:28.920 nobody does. So all I can think of is the 0:13:29.160 --> 0:13:33.080 previous set of downs. If it's not for video replay, 0:13:33.320 --> 0:13:35.600 you don't get a first down and you had fourth 0:13:35.640 --> 0:13:37.760 and one, Well, you're lucky that you didn't. If you 0:13:37.800 --> 0:13:41.000 look at the play on that fourth and one call, 0:13:41.160 --> 0:13:44.319 you're lucky that they didn't call James Hannah for illegal Okay, 0:13:44.520 --> 0:13:48.000 so whatever. So it's for you became very close. You're 0:13:48.000 --> 0:13:50.920 assuming you were going to score a touchdown running when 0:13:50.960 --> 0:13:54.200 you had fourth in one and you barely picked it up, 0:13:54.240 --> 0:13:57.000 I would read the grace of God, I would the 0:13:57.080 --> 0:13:58.840 kid made a heck of a play. No, he did, 0:13:58.960 --> 0:14:01.160 but it wasn't gonna get called that way until it 0:14:01.240 --> 0:14:04.200 gotten challenged. Oh that's why they have the replay. I understand. 0:14:04.240 --> 0:14:07.160 But it was that close to not picking it up 0:14:07.480 --> 0:14:09.400 and the game would have been over. I would have 0:14:09.520 --> 0:14:13.640 rather lost that football game trying to keep the ball 0:14:13.679 --> 0:14:16.080 away from Aaron Rodgers then the way they just did. 0:14:16.960 --> 0:14:19.120 I would not. I would have bet at all on 0:14:19.120 --> 0:14:21.520 one play if it came down I would have if 0:14:22.040 --> 0:14:24.640 you talk about one of you this one of the 0:14:24.640 --> 0:14:27.720 best offensive lines in the national football is not the Cowboys. 0:14:28.000 --> 0:14:30.760 I'm just saying though, but if I gave you that 0:14:30.760 --> 0:14:34.600 that quote, if you if I would bet on them, 0:14:34.720 --> 0:14:36.680 I would bet on Zach Martin, I will bet on 0:14:36.760 --> 0:14:40.600 Travis Frederick. I'll bet on those guys because because if 0:14:40.600 --> 0:14:44.560 you remember, though he had the ball fourth down, Garrett 0:14:44.600 --> 0:14:47.000 did and didn't bet on him and the other the 0:14:47.280 --> 0:14:50.600 Packers went forward on fourth down, you know, but the 0:14:50.640 --> 0:14:55.120 whole game he showed aggressive tendencies going forward on fourth down. 0:14:55.360 --> 0:14:58.280 So obviously Mickey, he felt like that fourth and one 0:14:58.320 --> 0:15:01.080 they get down there, that they're going to score the 0:15:01.440 --> 0:15:04.680 way that Garrett managed that game, because we've known Garrett 0:15:04.680 --> 0:15:06.840 in the pass to punt the football, well, he had 0:15:06.880 --> 0:15:08.600 no choice but to go for it on fourth and 0:15:08.680 --> 0:15:11.000 one if it was a field goal. It's a difference. 0:15:11.160 --> 0:15:13.680 I'm just saying though, even when they were even when 0:15:13.680 --> 0:15:15.360 they were tied in that game, he went for it 0:15:15.400 --> 0:15:18.520 off because he knew he had to score points. Okay, 0:15:18.600 --> 0:15:21.640 that's what I'm saying. He's he's he's he's worked his 0:15:21.760 --> 0:15:25.560 clock down to almost nine minutes, you know. To me, 0:15:25.800 --> 0:15:29.200 I would again, I would rather lose the game trying 0:15:29.520 --> 0:15:32.280 than I would playing defense. And I'm only going off 0:15:32.320 --> 0:15:34.800 what you're saying. I'm only going off what you're saying 0:15:34.920 --> 0:15:38.640 is they don't play run defense well and they don't cover. 0:15:39.120 --> 0:15:41.080 So what you're telling me is you were willing to 0:15:41.120 --> 0:15:43.400 put them back out there even though you knew that 0:15:43.720 --> 0:15:47.000 I had to score a touchdown. You did gart you did, 0:15:47.160 --> 0:15:49.320 But you're guarantee me you were going to score this, 0:15:49.400 --> 0:15:51.560 and you're guaranteeing me they were gonna stop him. No, 0:15:51.680 --> 0:15:54.800 I wasn't guaranteeing anything, but at least I had I 0:15:54.840 --> 0:15:57.880 had what how many players takes to stop him. I am. 0:15:57.920 --> 0:16:01.120 I am not leaving them. They had not stopped me 0:16:01.160 --> 0:16:04.240 for sixteen plays. I don't think they're gonna stop me 0:16:04.600 --> 0:16:06.520 going in well that a matter of fact, I think 0:16:06.560 --> 0:16:08.520 they might even let you score, which coaches don't like 0:16:08.640 --> 0:16:10.800 to do. That. It would been the smart thing for 0:16:10.840 --> 0:16:13.160 them to do, and it might be their only chance 0:16:13.200 --> 0:16:15.560 to win that They hadn't stopped you for thirteen plays, 0:16:15.560 --> 0:16:18.000 but on the fourteenth play, on fourth and a half 0:16:18.000 --> 0:16:20.800 a yard, they nearly stopped you. But they didn't, but 0:16:20.880 --> 0:16:23.800 they did until they got replayed. So you don't think 0:16:23.840 --> 0:16:26.160 that was in the back of their minds saying we 0:16:26.240 --> 0:16:28.440 can't just assume we're gonna run right over him the 0:16:28.440 --> 0:16:31.240 rest of the way. I would have taken my chances 0:16:31.280 --> 0:16:33.800 that they hadn't stopped. Well, it's a good second guess, Brian, 0:16:34.080 --> 0:16:36.680 it's a great I got to score the touchdown. I 0:16:36.720 --> 0:16:38.920 agree with you have to score the touchdown. But the 0:16:38.960 --> 0:16:42.160 fact of the matter is, Mickey, though you you who 0:16:42.280 --> 0:16:45.080 just told me you don't an easy second guess because 0:16:45.120 --> 0:16:47.320 it's not a second guest. Yes, it is, because now 0:16:47.360 --> 0:16:49.560 you know how it turned out. No, Mickey, at the time, 0:16:49.720 --> 0:16:52.480 I mean how it turned I'm thinking, I'm no. I 0:16:52.600 --> 0:16:54.680 know when he threw the ball that was a mistake. 0:16:55.160 --> 0:16:59.760 I knew that was a mistake. You okay, So what 0:16:59.800 --> 0:17:02.040 do you do after the points? The points and the 0:17:02.640 --> 0:17:06.040 do after the mistake? Now it's third and two. You 0:17:06.119 --> 0:17:10.399 run the football and they get down and they and 0:17:10.440 --> 0:17:12.399 they did. Now though he should have slid at the 0:17:12.440 --> 0:17:14.440 one yard line, I didn't say the slide. Well, then 0:17:14.440 --> 0:17:17.120 what should he have done? You gotta manage he's talking 0:17:17.359 --> 0:17:19.480 what you have to man what he's talking about. Second down, 0:17:19.520 --> 0:17:22.080 I'm talking about too. I am with you on that, 0:17:22.320 --> 0:17:25.400 but they could have called time out. They called time out. 0:17:25.440 --> 0:17:27.879 You run another player first down, now you take another 0:17:27.960 --> 0:17:29.840 You don't have a first down, but you got a 0:17:29.920 --> 0:17:33.119 first down after you ran the football. How do you know? Okay, 0:17:33.320 --> 0:17:35.200 we're not gonna go anywhere. Let me let's play a 0:17:35.200 --> 0:17:38.840 couple of cuts from the Cowboys perspective on that. The problem. 0:17:38.680 --> 0:17:41.840 The problem is the assuming number one. If you're right, 0:17:42.040 --> 0:17:44.080 you got the first okay, and you're assuming that you're 0:17:44.080 --> 0:17:46.520 gonna get a stop on defense. I gotta I gotta 0:17:46.720 --> 0:17:50.440 to stop on defense is secondary. I gotta store a touchdown. 0:17:50.600 --> 0:17:53.280 You didn't get a stop all day. He had. He 0:17:53.320 --> 0:17:56.840 had seven possessions, four touchdowns, a field goal. Here's here's 0:17:56.880 --> 0:17:59.680 here's the issue too, is this told me this happened. 0:17:59.680 --> 0:18:02.920 It is stopping this happened out there, This happened nine 0:18:02.920 --> 0:18:06.479 months ago. With thirty five seconds left, he got him 0:18:06.480 --> 0:18:09.680 into field goal position. Yeah, and it took thirty seconds 0:18:10.200 --> 0:18:13.560 last night to get twenty eight yards and get into 0:18:13.560 --> 0:18:16.560 field goal position. It was like that that's what he 0:18:16.560 --> 0:18:18.680 can do to you, and that that's why it's it's 0:18:18.720 --> 0:18:22.399 at least a discussion now, I say it wasn't a discussion. 0:18:22.960 --> 0:18:26.560 I agreed with him on the passa second down. Okay, 0:18:26.960 --> 0:18:30.160 but my but the assumption after give me that, give 0:18:30.200 --> 0:18:32.239 me four fresh downs. How do you know you were 0:18:32.240 --> 0:18:34.600 gonna get it. If you get to get you run 0:18:34.640 --> 0:18:37.639 the football. They haven't start assuming they stopped him on 0:18:37.720 --> 0:18:41.639 fourth and one, and you're assuming and you're running reaching out, okay, 0:18:41.640 --> 0:18:45.000 and they score and now you're assuming. No, I'm not assuming, 0:18:45.280 --> 0:18:47.920 but I got a score before I can assume anything, 0:18:49.400 --> 0:18:52.920 right to me? To me, I would rather lose the game. 0:18:53.080 --> 0:18:55.560 I trying to run out the clock, lead and take 0:18:55.600 --> 0:18:58.280 my chances than to sit there and go, you're gonna 0:18:58.400 --> 0:19:00.919 let me play the clock and I don't score a 0:19:00.960 --> 0:19:04.120 touchdown and then I lose. Well, you lost by giving 0:19:04.200 --> 0:19:06.480 him a minute thirteen or a minute eighteen. That's what 0:19:06.560 --> 0:19:10.160 happened by by scoring early. Answered my question after well, 0:19:10.440 --> 0:19:12.680 third and two. Well, we can't assume is that we're late. 0:19:12.920 --> 0:19:15.119 We're late right now? Yeah, but we can Okay, No, 0:19:15.400 --> 0:19:17.520 let's look and finish. Let's let's take a break in 0:19:17.520 --> 0:19:19.560 and carry it over. Take a break in and carried over. 0:19:19.600 --> 0:19:21.240 There was never it never got the third and two, 0:19:21.359 --> 0:19:24.119 but it the never lation was it was third and 0:19:24.119 --> 0:19:27.000 two after the incompletion, right, okay, it got the third two. 0:19:27.040 --> 0:19:29.240 But what would you have done? You read I would 0:19:29.280 --> 0:19:31.439 have I would have ran ever run the football. But 0:19:31.520 --> 0:19:34.080 they did. They did run the football, but they scored, 0:19:34.200 --> 0:19:36.359 So I don't call it. Don't call a touchdown, is 0:19:36.400 --> 0:19:38.400 what you're saying. I'll tell you what. People talk about 0:19:38.480 --> 0:19:41.000 him sliding. That would have been a football, intelligent play, 0:19:41.040 --> 0:19:43.240 that would have been a football. Tell now you're assuming 0:19:43.280 --> 0:19:45.400 that wherever he slid, you were still good. You would 0:19:45.400 --> 0:19:46.760 have been on the one or two yard line if 0:19:46.800 --> 0:19:49.359 he would have slid, because a quarterback is immediately given 0:19:49.480 --> 0:19:52.159 up when they go down. I'm just have I seen now. 0:19:52.160 --> 0:19:54.480 I'm not saying that's the way to go. I'm just saying, though, 0:19:54.560 --> 0:19:56.920 if if I would not have thrown the football, I 0:19:56.960 --> 0:19:58.920 would have just kept running. And then once again, you're 0:19:58.960 --> 0:20:01.320 assuming you would to score, and then you're assuming you 0:20:01.359 --> 0:20:03.840 would have stopped him. Und No, I'm taking my chances 0:20:04.040 --> 0:20:07.280 if I don't score, I don't can't assume. Yeah, you're right, 0:20:07.920 --> 0:20:10.920 we've used assumed so much. I can't assume. We're won't 0:20:10.920 --> 0:20:13.160 assume we know we're three minutes late. Let's take a break. 0:20:13.160 --> 0:20:16.680 Carry this over gets a reaction to from the Cowboys 0:20:16.680 --> 0:20:19.359 about that last drive offensively. When we come back on 0:20:19.440 --> 0:20:22.120