1 00:00:00,800 --> 00:00:06,200 Speaker 1: And now move the sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks. 2 00:00:06,920 --> 00:00:09,639 Speaker 1: What's up, everybody? Welcome to move the sticks DJ and 3 00:00:09,720 --> 00:00:13,640 Speaker 1: Bucky here on our home camps here. We've got, uh, 4 00:00:13,880 --> 00:00:16,720 Speaker 1: we've got challenges, Buck, but we're overcoming these challenges to 5 00:00:16,800 --> 00:00:19,160 Speaker 1: keep the pot alive. How you doing, Bud, Yeah, it's 6 00:00:19,200 --> 00:00:22,040 Speaker 1: it's it's a lot different, uh, doing it at home 7 00:00:22,079 --> 00:00:24,160 Speaker 1: as opposed to doing it in the confounds of the 8 00:00:24,200 --> 00:00:26,160 Speaker 1: podcast studio. I got a lot of distractions here. I 9 00:00:26,200 --> 00:00:31,760 Speaker 1: got the dog running around upstairs is different for sure. 10 00:00:32,159 --> 00:00:35,600 Speaker 1: Managing managing a lot of personnel. Managing a lot of personnel, Yeah, 11 00:00:35,640 --> 00:00:37,720 Speaker 1: you gotta you gotta get everybody in line over there. Man, 12 00:00:37,760 --> 00:00:41,080 Speaker 1: It's it's uh, it's like you're you're the general of 13 00:00:41,080 --> 00:00:43,400 Speaker 1: an army over there. You gotta keep everybody lined up 14 00:00:43,440 --> 00:00:45,839 Speaker 1: and ready to go. And and a minute's notice here, 15 00:00:46,320 --> 00:00:49,440 Speaker 1: let's let's talk about we're gonna talk about today because 16 00:00:49,479 --> 00:00:51,800 Speaker 1: we are going to go through the teams with multiple 17 00:00:51,840 --> 00:00:55,280 Speaker 1: first round picks that acquired a couple of teams that 18 00:00:55,360 --> 00:00:57,720 Speaker 1: acquired picks, I should say, because we have, uh, we 19 00:00:57,800 --> 00:00:59,959 Speaker 1: have San Francisco picked up a first round or minut 20 00:01:00,040 --> 00:01:02,240 Speaker 1: Soda picked up a first rounder, Houston picked up a 21 00:01:02,320 --> 00:01:04,760 Speaker 1: second rounder. So we're gonna focus on those three teams 22 00:01:05,240 --> 00:01:08,440 Speaker 1: what they might possibly do with those picks. UM, And 23 00:01:08,480 --> 00:01:11,319 Speaker 1: then we've got some some other interesting topics today, Buck, 24 00:01:11,360 --> 00:01:14,360 Speaker 1: including a conversation that you had with one of the 25 00:01:14,360 --> 00:01:17,840 Speaker 1: general managers in the NFL this past weekend. Yeah, just 26 00:01:17,920 --> 00:01:20,080 Speaker 1: so much stuff going on that over the weekend. You 27 00:01:20,120 --> 00:01:22,320 Speaker 1: have an opportunity to salck to some people. But you've 28 00:01:22,319 --> 00:01:24,399 Speaker 1: talked about a DJ. We're there at the point with 29 00:01:24,800 --> 00:01:27,080 Speaker 1: the month a little more than a month away, I 30 00:01:27,080 --> 00:01:28,920 Speaker 1: mean to draft in a little more than a month away, 31 00:01:29,280 --> 00:01:31,120 Speaker 1: we can begin to start talking about some of the 32 00:01:31,160 --> 00:01:33,960 Speaker 1: strategies that some of these teams may take based on 33 00:01:34,240 --> 00:01:36,560 Speaker 1: what they're doing with free agents, the trades they've got, 34 00:01:36,680 --> 00:01:39,080 Speaker 1: and the number of picks that they have based on 35 00:01:39,120 --> 00:01:41,400 Speaker 1: the amount of knees that they also have. Yeah, so 36 00:01:41,400 --> 00:01:44,400 Speaker 1: it's gonna be fun going through that. UM. Talk about 37 00:01:45,200 --> 00:01:47,280 Speaker 1: some landing spots for the quarterbacks. Have an article up 38 00:01:47,319 --> 00:01:49,720 Speaker 1: on NFL dot com the seven top quarterbacks in the 39 00:01:49,800 --> 00:01:52,720 Speaker 1: draft after free agency. What does that look like the 40 00:01:52,760 --> 00:01:55,400 Speaker 1: most likely landing spots for those seven quarterbacks? So we'll 41 00:01:55,440 --> 00:01:58,680 Speaker 1: hit that UM as well as a good cluster conversation 42 00:01:58,760 --> 00:02:01,200 Speaker 1: of some some tie as I'm trying to sort out 43 00:02:01,280 --> 00:02:04,240 Speaker 1: on on my draft board as we go along here. Um, 44 00:02:04,280 --> 00:02:07,560 Speaker 1: but buck first up here, let's jump into these teams 45 00:02:07,560 --> 00:02:11,400 Speaker 1: that have acquired picks here during this free agency period. 46 00:02:11,560 --> 00:02:14,040 Speaker 1: I said, let's start with the San Francisco forty Niners, 47 00:02:14,080 --> 00:02:16,960 Speaker 1: a team that picked up the thirteenth overall pick, and 48 00:02:17,000 --> 00:02:20,360 Speaker 1: it was costly because they ended up trading to Forrest Buckner, 49 00:02:20,400 --> 00:02:24,079 Speaker 1: one of the best defensive players in the National Football League. 50 00:02:24,080 --> 00:02:26,200 Speaker 1: But they get picked thirteen. They also have their own 51 00:02:26,200 --> 00:02:29,560 Speaker 1: pick at thirty one. Um, they don't have picks in 52 00:02:29,720 --> 00:02:32,240 Speaker 1: rounds two and three, I believe even in the four, 53 00:02:32,440 --> 00:02:35,040 Speaker 1: so they need uh to take one of these picks, 54 00:02:35,040 --> 00:02:37,239 Speaker 1: I would imagine and trade back. It's more capital just 55 00:02:37,320 --> 00:02:40,120 Speaker 1: kind of depends on how they play it. Um, you know, 56 00:02:40,240 --> 00:02:42,799 Speaker 1: I I know we'll look and say that they don't 57 00:02:42,840 --> 00:02:44,959 Speaker 1: have a number of picks, particularly in the second, third, 58 00:02:45,000 --> 00:02:47,919 Speaker 1: and fourth rounds. Um, which is just kind of wonder 59 00:02:47,960 --> 00:02:49,799 Speaker 1: what player is going to be available when they pick 60 00:02:49,840 --> 00:02:51,960 Speaker 1: at the end of the first round, and if that 61 00:02:52,040 --> 00:02:56,000 Speaker 1: player is worth them trading to maybe get two picks, 62 00:02:56,000 --> 00:02:58,040 Speaker 1: whether it's a second and a third, a second, and 63 00:02:58,080 --> 00:03:01,280 Speaker 1: a fourth, um, just to get our bodies more capable, 64 00:03:01,720 --> 00:03:04,800 Speaker 1: uh people on that roster. I think what's interesting though, 65 00:03:04,960 --> 00:03:06,639 Speaker 1: is to put themselves in a position to get in 66 00:03:06,680 --> 00:03:08,919 Speaker 1: the middle of the first round where they really can 67 00:03:08,960 --> 00:03:13,360 Speaker 1: attack whatever area they want to work on. UM. I 68 00:03:13,400 --> 00:03:17,480 Speaker 1: felt like, uh selfishly, like defensive line wise, they were 69 00:03:17,560 --> 00:03:21,160 Speaker 1: stocked and loaded, and so they had the luxury of 70 00:03:21,240 --> 00:03:24,720 Speaker 1: being able to dispatch of a first round pick and 71 00:03:24,720 --> 00:03:27,800 Speaker 1: the Forest Buckner get another first round pick back. And 72 00:03:27,840 --> 00:03:31,120 Speaker 1: then when you look at their line, losing him is 73 00:03:31,520 --> 00:03:33,200 Speaker 1: like it's still a big loss because he's a big 74 00:03:33,200 --> 00:03:35,880 Speaker 1: time player. But man, you have Eric Armstead, you have 75 00:03:35,960 --> 00:03:38,880 Speaker 1: Nick Boles, you have d Ford, um, you have a 76 00:03:38,880 --> 00:03:43,560 Speaker 1: bunch of other players that are jumping into rotation thriving. UM. 77 00:03:43,720 --> 00:03:46,240 Speaker 1: I think this is the case where what they've done 78 00:03:46,280 --> 00:03:49,240 Speaker 1: is they've done a really good job of kinda uh 79 00:03:49,360 --> 00:03:52,320 Speaker 1: fortifying the strength of their roster, and now they're at 80 00:03:52,320 --> 00:03:55,200 Speaker 1: a point where they could auction off um a talented 81 00:03:55,240 --> 00:03:58,400 Speaker 1: player to get back what they needed on draft deck. Yeah, 82 00:03:58,400 --> 00:04:00,120 Speaker 1: and I look at a couple of different areas. I 83 00:04:00,120 --> 00:04:02,560 Speaker 1: know they still have tremendous depth on that defensive line, 84 00:04:02,560 --> 00:04:05,200 Speaker 1: but at thirteen. I think there's at least a chance 85 00:04:05,600 --> 00:04:07,520 Speaker 1: a guy like Javon ken Law were to get there. 86 00:04:07,520 --> 00:04:09,120 Speaker 1: If he does get there, to me, you turn in 87 00:04:09,160 --> 00:04:11,440 Speaker 1: the card, Uh, you make the pick. If they want 88 00:04:11,480 --> 00:04:14,360 Speaker 1: to add more firepower with that pick and maybe choose 89 00:04:14,400 --> 00:04:17,520 Speaker 1: pick thirty one to trade back and get some extra capital. Um, 90 00:04:17,600 --> 00:04:19,799 Speaker 1: you could be looking at somebody like in Henry Ruggs 91 00:04:20,120 --> 00:04:23,159 Speaker 1: to put into that offense there with Kyle Shanahan. And 92 00:04:23,200 --> 00:04:25,680 Speaker 1: how fun would that be to see Henry Ruggs with 93 00:04:25,760 --> 00:04:28,920 Speaker 1: Deebo Samuel and that young core kind of grow together. Uh, 94 00:04:28,960 --> 00:04:30,840 Speaker 1: that would be some options for him there at thirteen. 95 00:04:30,839 --> 00:04:32,600 Speaker 1: I would also say, if they wanted to trade back 96 00:04:32,640 --> 00:04:35,600 Speaker 1: at the pick, you could go back a little bit 97 00:04:35,640 --> 00:04:38,960 Speaker 1: and still get a Ross Blacklock, a defensive tackle who's 98 00:04:39,080 --> 00:04:41,760 Speaker 1: very explosive, would fit in great with that group. Uh. 99 00:04:41,800 --> 00:04:43,800 Speaker 1: That could be one of those trade back scenarios. And 100 00:04:43,839 --> 00:04:46,640 Speaker 1: then if they decided to stick and pick at thirty one, 101 00:04:47,320 --> 00:04:50,080 Speaker 1: I look at the corner position, um, getting younger, getting 102 00:04:50,080 --> 00:04:53,280 Speaker 1: more athletic, getting faster. There Uh, a guy like a 103 00:04:53,400 --> 00:04:56,000 Speaker 1: j Terrell from Clemson who has that length that they 104 00:04:56,080 --> 00:04:59,240 Speaker 1: love and that Robert Solis scheme that they run that 105 00:04:59,279 --> 00:05:01,480 Speaker 1: to me, would be a good option for them there 106 00:05:01,480 --> 00:05:03,320 Speaker 1: if they wanted to go corner and there at thirty one. 107 00:05:04,040 --> 00:05:06,359 Speaker 1: Uh DJ is interesting you talk about a J. Terrell, 108 00:05:06,400 --> 00:05:08,880 Speaker 1: and we'll talk more about him and some other guys, 109 00:05:09,120 --> 00:05:12,039 Speaker 1: because it really comes down to doing an evaluation of 110 00:05:12,080 --> 00:05:15,520 Speaker 1: the cluster busters, meaning the clusters that will be available 111 00:05:15,560 --> 00:05:18,640 Speaker 1: at thirteen and the clusters that will be available at 112 00:05:18,680 --> 00:05:21,880 Speaker 1: thirty one. As you look at what could be available 113 00:05:21,960 --> 00:05:24,640 Speaker 1: at thirteen, you're just kind of way the pros and 114 00:05:24,720 --> 00:05:27,400 Speaker 1: cons of will we rather have one of these players 115 00:05:27,440 --> 00:05:31,200 Speaker 1: that's in here, UM, Are we more likely to get 116 00:05:31,240 --> 00:05:34,240 Speaker 1: one of these players to maybe drop back to eighteen 117 00:05:34,400 --> 00:05:36,760 Speaker 1: nineteen twenty, where we can fall back and still get 118 00:05:37,400 --> 00:05:39,159 Speaker 1: one or two of the guys that we like they'll 119 00:05:39,200 --> 00:05:42,359 Speaker 1: be available. Or should we think about, all right, the 120 00:05:42,400 --> 00:05:45,040 Speaker 1: cluster that is here at thirty one, how many of 121 00:05:45,040 --> 00:05:47,880 Speaker 1: these guys potentially could fall into the second round and 122 00:05:47,920 --> 00:05:50,720 Speaker 1: still be available. Is it better for us to trade 123 00:05:50,760 --> 00:05:53,560 Speaker 1: out of this UM, get into the second round and 124 00:05:53,600 --> 00:05:56,720 Speaker 1: we still will get a comparable player. UM. A lot 125 00:05:56,800 --> 00:05:59,440 Speaker 1: of what we talk about are weighing the pros and 126 00:05:59,520 --> 00:06:04,000 Speaker 1: cons the value of certain positions at certain stages of 127 00:06:04,040 --> 00:06:06,680 Speaker 1: the draft. I think this is a conversation that they 128 00:06:06,680 --> 00:06:10,400 Speaker 1: have to have, UH in the war room in San Francisco. 129 00:06:10,800 --> 00:06:13,520 Speaker 1: A where's the value, where's the depth, Where do we 130 00:06:13,560 --> 00:06:16,839 Speaker 1: break down to tears, which tears will be available, when 131 00:06:16,880 --> 00:06:20,800 Speaker 1: we may particularly think about moving back into the second round, etcetera. 132 00:06:21,160 --> 00:06:24,800 Speaker 1: All of those conversations will ultimately determine, UH, what they 133 00:06:24,839 --> 00:06:27,360 Speaker 1: do on draft day, no doubt. Well, let's let's move 134 00:06:27,360 --> 00:06:29,760 Speaker 1: on to the Minnesota Vikings, a team that trade us 135 00:06:29,760 --> 00:06:31,839 Speaker 1: to Fon Diggs. I thought they got a nice return, 136 00:06:31,960 --> 00:06:34,480 Speaker 1: especially when you look at the DeAndre Hopkins return that 137 00:06:34,560 --> 00:06:38,040 Speaker 1: Houston was able to get tremendous job there by Rick 138 00:06:38,120 --> 00:06:40,400 Speaker 1: Spielman what he was able to fetch first de Fuon Diggs. 139 00:06:40,440 --> 00:06:43,000 Speaker 1: They now hold picks twenty two and twenty five, so 140 00:06:43,120 --> 00:06:46,159 Speaker 1: very close to one another, and with a wide receiver 141 00:06:46,240 --> 00:06:47,880 Speaker 1: need that is out there now, I think you'll see 142 00:06:47,880 --> 00:06:50,040 Speaker 1: one of these picks go to the wide receiver position. 143 00:06:50,440 --> 00:06:52,800 Speaker 1: Still like to add a corner if you could, and 144 00:06:52,839 --> 00:06:56,200 Speaker 1: then I would say interior offensive line three areas. I 145 00:06:56,200 --> 00:06:58,520 Speaker 1: could see them focus and buck, let me give you 146 00:06:58,560 --> 00:07:01,120 Speaker 1: the home run pick for the minnesot The Vikings to me, 147 00:07:01,240 --> 00:07:05,360 Speaker 1: in my opinion, Justin Jefferson from l s U. You're 148 00:07:05,320 --> 00:07:09,119 Speaker 1: replacing a phenomenal route runner with another outstanding route runner, 149 00:07:09,160 --> 00:07:11,520 Speaker 1: somebody who catches everything, who's gonna be able to get 150 00:07:11,520 --> 00:07:14,360 Speaker 1: on the same page with Kirk Cousins very early. I 151 00:07:14,360 --> 00:07:16,960 Speaker 1: think he is the perfect fit. And I think you know, 152 00:07:17,000 --> 00:07:19,520 Speaker 1: when you look at where their position UH at pick 153 00:07:19,600 --> 00:07:23,240 Speaker 1: twenty two and twenty five, maybe you have to look 154 00:07:23,280 --> 00:07:26,320 Speaker 1: at the board and say, Philadelphia a wide receiver team 155 00:07:26,360 --> 00:07:29,720 Speaker 1: picking twenty one. UM, maybe you try and leap frog 156 00:07:29,760 --> 00:07:32,680 Speaker 1: there and get to twenty with Jacksonville, who has been 157 00:07:32,680 --> 00:07:35,200 Speaker 1: collecting a lot of picks that could be in play there, 158 00:07:35,240 --> 00:07:37,120 Speaker 1: just to move up a little bit, uh, to make 159 00:07:37,160 --> 00:07:39,600 Speaker 1: sure you get a guy like Justin Jefferson. You know, 160 00:07:39,720 --> 00:07:43,440 Speaker 1: I love the Jeffery Jefferson UH pick. And here's why. 161 00:07:43,560 --> 00:07:44,920 Speaker 1: Like one of the guys that I trust in the 162 00:07:45,000 --> 00:07:47,560 Speaker 1: business a lot, Jerry Sullivan one of the best wide 163 00:07:47,560 --> 00:07:50,720 Speaker 1: receiver coaches that I've ever seen at work, one of 164 00:07:50,760 --> 00:07:52,960 Speaker 1: the best ones to coach in the league. He swears 165 00:07:52,960 --> 00:07:55,240 Speaker 1: by Justin Jefferson. He spent some time at L s 166 00:07:55,320 --> 00:07:58,360 Speaker 1: U a couple of seasons ago, worked with him, taught him, 167 00:07:58,400 --> 00:08:01,120 Speaker 1: and he said, even with your more chase in that 168 00:08:01,240 --> 00:08:04,680 Speaker 1: room that Justin Jefferson is the guy Justin Jefferson was 169 00:08:04,720 --> 00:08:08,920 Speaker 1: to alpha. Justin Jefferson has diversatility to play in the slot, 170 00:08:09,000 --> 00:08:11,800 Speaker 1: he can play outside, He can learn every position that 171 00:08:11,840 --> 00:08:14,080 Speaker 1: you want him to learn. But he also has the 172 00:08:14,200 --> 00:08:17,480 Speaker 1: skills to thrive in each of those different positions. He 173 00:08:17,520 --> 00:08:20,760 Speaker 1: said without question, he believes that Justin Jefferson would be 174 00:08:20,800 --> 00:08:23,600 Speaker 1: a fantastic player in the league. And when I think 175 00:08:23,640 --> 00:08:26,320 Speaker 1: about the Minnesota Vikings and what they want to do 176 00:08:26,360 --> 00:08:29,720 Speaker 1: with this offense, uh Adam Cineland is a route runner. 177 00:08:29,960 --> 00:08:32,480 Speaker 1: Justin Jefferson is also a route runner. And so having 178 00:08:32,520 --> 00:08:36,480 Speaker 1: the opportunity to replace Stefan Diggs with another guy that 179 00:08:36,640 --> 00:08:39,720 Speaker 1: is mature, who is very, very technically sound, and who 180 00:08:39,800 --> 00:08:42,560 Speaker 1: was also a polished playmaker, I think there would be 181 00:08:42,600 --> 00:08:45,080 Speaker 1: a no brand of move if he's available. Uh near 182 00:08:45,120 --> 00:08:47,839 Speaker 1: where the Minnesota Vikings pick, and we look at that 183 00:08:48,120 --> 00:08:50,400 Speaker 1: pick twenty five. If they were to go receiver at 184 00:08:50,400 --> 00:08:52,760 Speaker 1: twenty two. At twenty five, I don't really see an 185 00:08:52,760 --> 00:08:55,680 Speaker 1: interior offensive lineman there. That could be another opportunity for 186 00:08:55,720 --> 00:08:58,080 Speaker 1: a team like this to trade back from twenty five 187 00:08:58,160 --> 00:09:01,200 Speaker 1: get some more picks. Maybe yourself in that second round 188 00:09:01,280 --> 00:09:03,400 Speaker 1: range for a guy like a Caesar Ruise or or 189 00:09:03,520 --> 00:09:06,520 Speaker 1: Lord Lloyd Cushionberry from l s U. One of those 190 00:09:06,520 --> 00:09:08,720 Speaker 1: types of players which would be plug and play in 191 00:09:08,760 --> 00:09:11,800 Speaker 1: this offensive line. But I mentioned corner and let me 192 00:09:11,800 --> 00:09:13,719 Speaker 1: give you some names here around where they're picking in 193 00:09:13,760 --> 00:09:16,160 Speaker 1: two and twenty five. You're gonna be looking I think C. J. 194 00:09:16,240 --> 00:09:20,360 Speaker 1: Henderson's gone from from Florida. Obviously JEFFE. Coud is gonna 195 00:09:20,360 --> 00:09:23,119 Speaker 1: be long gone. But you're looking at the Jalen Johnson's, 196 00:09:23,160 --> 00:09:26,559 Speaker 1: the A J. Terrell's, uh, maybe a Christian Fulton that 197 00:09:26,720 --> 00:09:28,720 Speaker 1: that those are the guys that are kind of in 198 00:09:28,720 --> 00:09:31,800 Speaker 1: the mix there at Yeah, and so then I think 199 00:09:31,840 --> 00:09:34,479 Speaker 1: what you have to do is you gotta determine, uh, 200 00:09:34,559 --> 00:09:37,120 Speaker 1: what's the style of play? How do we want to play? Remember, 201 00:09:37,120 --> 00:09:39,920 Speaker 1: and I think this is important fact, Jerry Gray is 202 00:09:40,000 --> 00:09:43,760 Speaker 1: no longer UH coaching in the secondary for the Minnesota Vikings. 203 00:09:43,800 --> 00:09:47,280 Speaker 1: He was a great teacher and developer. UM did a 204 00:09:47,320 --> 00:09:50,440 Speaker 1: really good job of kind of supporting in, uh supplementing 205 00:09:50,440 --> 00:09:54,120 Speaker 1: what Mike Zimmer did. Mike Zamber's running the entire show. Now, 206 00:09:54,480 --> 00:09:58,040 Speaker 1: UH you have Adam Zimmer and Andre Patterson splitting the 207 00:09:58,080 --> 00:10:01,160 Speaker 1: defensive coordinator duties. So I do wonder if they're going 208 00:10:01,200 --> 00:10:05,080 Speaker 1: to be some stylistic changes in the way that they play, 209 00:10:05,160 --> 00:10:08,000 Speaker 1: and so if that changes, that may also change the 210 00:10:08,080 --> 00:10:10,960 Speaker 1: type of corner that they look for. Because this is 211 00:10:10,960 --> 00:10:14,560 Speaker 1: a unique opportunity for the Minnesota Vikings. UH. They don't 212 00:10:14,559 --> 00:10:17,439 Speaker 1: have Xavier Rose. Trey waynsays, I think I think he's 213 00:10:17,440 --> 00:10:19,920 Speaker 1: signed with the Cincinnati Bengals, So you're talking about a 214 00:10:19,960 --> 00:10:23,840 Speaker 1: brand new UH secondary At the corner position. They have 215 00:10:23,960 --> 00:10:27,080 Speaker 1: Mike us who returns um from an injury, coming back 216 00:10:27,120 --> 00:10:29,800 Speaker 1: from UCF, but they need to find another guy that 217 00:10:29,840 --> 00:10:32,800 Speaker 1: can plug and play. And so of those three that 218 00:10:32,880 --> 00:10:37,920 Speaker 1: you mentioned, Jalen Johnson and j Terrell, Christian Fulton, it 219 00:10:38,080 --> 00:10:41,280 Speaker 1: just to me it's tough because it comes down to 220 00:10:41,280 --> 00:10:44,880 Speaker 1: toughness because I just don't know Christian Fulton. I wonder 221 00:10:45,400 --> 00:10:49,080 Speaker 1: if he can hold up under the barrage of throws 222 00:10:49,200 --> 00:10:52,640 Speaker 1: that happened in that division, not only the talented white receivers, 223 00:10:52,640 --> 00:10:56,439 Speaker 1: but just how quarterbacks relentlessly go after you on the outside. 224 00:10:56,640 --> 00:10:59,240 Speaker 1: Jalen Johnson has a level of toughness that I like, 225 00:10:59,720 --> 00:11:02,640 Speaker 1: um mentally, um he was playing with a torn laboram 226 00:11:02,720 --> 00:11:04,559 Speaker 1: so some of the tackling stuff you would like to 227 00:11:04,600 --> 00:11:07,319 Speaker 1: think would improve. And then a J. Terrell, to me, 228 00:11:07,800 --> 00:11:10,520 Speaker 1: I think what hurts him is the lasting image of 229 00:11:10,520 --> 00:11:13,040 Speaker 1: the National Championship game when we saw L s U 230 00:11:13,160 --> 00:11:16,079 Speaker 1: go at him relentlessly. But I will say this, when 231 00:11:16,080 --> 00:11:18,480 Speaker 1: you go back and watch his tape, he's a pretty 232 00:11:18,480 --> 00:11:21,240 Speaker 1: clean prospect. I mean he can hit, he can run, 233 00:11:21,280 --> 00:11:23,080 Speaker 1: he can cover, he can press, he can play off, 234 00:11:23,280 --> 00:11:24,960 Speaker 1: he jumps in the slot, he does a lot of 235 00:11:25,040 --> 00:11:28,200 Speaker 1: interesting things. I would say that he may be the 236 00:11:28,240 --> 00:11:31,040 Speaker 1: most underrated of those guys. I think in a normal year, 237 00:11:31,080 --> 00:11:33,640 Speaker 1: we really would talk about him a lot higher in 238 00:11:33,720 --> 00:11:35,559 Speaker 1: terms of how you should be valued. Man, no doubt, 239 00:11:35,679 --> 00:11:37,880 Speaker 1: I wouldn't rule out a guy like a J. Terrell. 240 00:11:38,480 --> 00:11:41,400 Speaker 1: Uh with a team like the Raiders, they're picking at nineteen, 241 00:11:41,400 --> 00:11:43,079 Speaker 1: would be an interesting spot for them. So we'll see 242 00:11:43,120 --> 00:11:46,079 Speaker 1: if he even gets to the Minnesota Vikings. All right, Houston, 243 00:11:46,160 --> 00:11:48,079 Speaker 1: now we're outside the first round. Buck, they don't have 244 00:11:48,080 --> 00:11:50,319 Speaker 1: a first round pick. Uh. That was one of the 245 00:11:51,520 --> 00:11:54,600 Speaker 1: means they used to acquire Laramie Tunseil, who they still 246 00:11:54,640 --> 00:11:56,320 Speaker 1: have to work out a contract with. By the way, 247 00:11:56,360 --> 00:11:58,679 Speaker 1: that was not handled properly. But when you look at 248 00:11:58,720 --> 00:12:01,200 Speaker 1: Houston right now, they trade Andrey Hopkins. They have now 249 00:12:01,240 --> 00:12:04,520 Speaker 1: picks forty and fifty seven, So two picks here in 250 00:12:04,520 --> 00:12:06,120 Speaker 1: the second round, they're gonna get a chance to get 251 00:12:06,120 --> 00:12:08,640 Speaker 1: two really good football players. And in a really deep draft, 252 00:12:09,200 --> 00:12:11,839 Speaker 1: wide receiver need comes to the forefront. Obviously you just 253 00:12:11,880 --> 00:12:14,320 Speaker 1: traded Hopkins. I would still say trying to find some 254 00:12:14,320 --> 00:12:17,280 Speaker 1: more edge rush as well would be high priorities. And 255 00:12:17,320 --> 00:12:20,280 Speaker 1: when you look at you know, second round wide receivers, 256 00:12:20,440 --> 00:12:23,400 Speaker 1: ed rush edge rushers, Um, you're to me, you're looking 257 00:12:23,440 --> 00:12:27,280 Speaker 1: at maybe it's a Brandon Ayuk uh t Higgins. I 258 00:12:27,320 --> 00:12:29,439 Speaker 1: think is a chance to be there at at pick 259 00:12:29,559 --> 00:12:32,840 Speaker 1: number forty. That'll be a close call. Uh Leavisca Chennault, 260 00:12:32,920 --> 00:12:36,640 Speaker 1: who's really taken on some water unfortunately in the off season. Um, 261 00:12:36,679 --> 00:12:38,400 Speaker 1: you know it was not healthy, the combine did not 262 00:12:38,480 --> 00:12:40,720 Speaker 1: run well, had that core muscle surgery. But I think 263 00:12:40,760 --> 00:12:43,520 Speaker 1: his stock has really fallen. Uh, he'll be there in 264 00:12:43,559 --> 00:12:47,400 Speaker 1: this second round range. Denzel Mims from Baylor, I mean 265 00:12:47,440 --> 00:12:50,760 Speaker 1: we've got uh uh, you also have Michael Pittman from 266 00:12:50,840 --> 00:12:54,160 Speaker 1: USC You've got Jalen Reagor from TCU. I mean I 267 00:12:54,440 --> 00:12:56,240 Speaker 1: I do think there are a lot of good second 268 00:12:56,320 --> 00:12:59,000 Speaker 1: round receiver options UM to look at, and then from 269 00:12:59,080 --> 00:13:03,240 Speaker 1: the edge rusher sitsition not not quite as encouraging there. Uh, 270 00:13:03,320 --> 00:13:04,960 Speaker 1: I look at a guy, you know, I'm a big 271 00:13:04,960 --> 00:13:07,160 Speaker 1: fan of Marlon Davidson. To me, that would be the one. 272 00:13:07,200 --> 00:13:09,520 Speaker 1: Maybe a pick forty. Uh, if you were to get there. 273 00:13:09,520 --> 00:13:12,600 Speaker 1: Somebody who has that versatility outside inside would be an 274 00:13:12,600 --> 00:13:15,120 Speaker 1: interesting name there. Yeah. I think it is interesting because 275 00:13:15,160 --> 00:13:18,920 Speaker 1: they're also a team in transition. Um Uh. Anthony Weaver 276 00:13:19,000 --> 00:13:21,720 Speaker 1: takes over as their defensive coordinator. Romeo Cornell is no 277 00:13:21,760 --> 00:13:26,319 Speaker 1: longer calling the defense, so silistically they should also change. 278 00:13:26,480 --> 00:13:28,600 Speaker 1: But you talked about it. This is a team that 279 00:13:28,640 --> 00:13:31,160 Speaker 1: has suddenly gotten old on the defensive side of the ball, 280 00:13:31,200 --> 00:13:34,400 Speaker 1: particularly on the defensive line at edges. J. J. Watt 281 00:13:34,800 --> 00:13:38,640 Speaker 1: is older. Uh. Winny Merciless is also an older player. 282 00:13:38,679 --> 00:13:41,680 Speaker 1: They need to find some young energy off the edge. 283 00:13:41,960 --> 00:13:44,839 Speaker 1: I think when you really look at this draft, UM, 284 00:13:44,920 --> 00:13:46,560 Speaker 1: if we could do it in a perfect world, I 285 00:13:46,559 --> 00:13:48,559 Speaker 1: think what you have to do is go get your 286 00:13:48,559 --> 00:13:52,520 Speaker 1: pass rusher at forty, find your wide receiver at fifty seven. 287 00:13:52,840 --> 00:13:55,960 Speaker 1: The best pass rushers that are available at forty I 288 00:13:55,960 --> 00:13:58,400 Speaker 1: would really try and make a move to make sure 289 00:13:58,440 --> 00:14:01,679 Speaker 1: that I secure that because I think there's a significant 290 00:14:01,760 --> 00:14:05,880 Speaker 1: drop off once you get past the first handful of dudes, 291 00:14:05,920 --> 00:14:07,800 Speaker 1: and so if i'm them, I want to make sure 292 00:14:07,840 --> 00:14:10,079 Speaker 1: that I get a sack artist, someone that can come 293 00:14:10,120 --> 00:14:13,360 Speaker 1: down and make plays. I know they're a team that 294 00:14:13,440 --> 00:14:16,280 Speaker 1: is a three or four team. I think, look, forty 295 00:14:16,320 --> 00:14:19,280 Speaker 1: is rich, but I think Bradley and I could be 296 00:14:19,440 --> 00:14:22,840 Speaker 1: in that conversation either at forty or fifty seven because 297 00:14:23,000 --> 00:14:25,480 Speaker 1: when I watch him play, he fits how they want 298 00:14:25,480 --> 00:14:28,800 Speaker 1: to play off the edge. His toughness, his athleticism, his 299 00:14:28,840 --> 00:14:31,600 Speaker 1: ability to get to the quarterback was certainly helped him. 300 00:14:31,720 --> 00:14:33,920 Speaker 1: Um because I really think that's a week spot four them. 301 00:14:35,120 --> 00:14:36,680 Speaker 1: One more name I'll throw into the mix here as 302 00:14:36,680 --> 00:14:40,320 Speaker 1: we finished this discussion up. But Darrell Taylor uh from Tennessee, 303 00:14:40,400 --> 00:14:42,520 Speaker 1: who was hurt unfortunately you get to see him at 304 00:14:42,560 --> 00:14:45,240 Speaker 1: the Senior Bowl, was not healthy at all this year. 305 00:14:45,280 --> 00:14:47,960 Speaker 1: But you go back to ten tape, you see a 306 00:14:48,000 --> 00:14:51,480 Speaker 1: different player. So when we have a really a lack 307 00:14:51,600 --> 00:14:54,400 Speaker 1: of talented edge dressers in this draft class, he's got juice. 308 00:14:54,480 --> 00:14:56,920 Speaker 1: He's got big time talent. Is not clean, not a 309 00:14:56,920 --> 00:15:00,000 Speaker 1: clean prospect based off the last year Buck, but somebody, 310 00:15:00,120 --> 00:15:02,080 Speaker 1: I think you're gonna see kind of rise up the 311 00:15:02,080 --> 00:15:04,840 Speaker 1: process here as people are striking to try and develop 312 00:15:04,880 --> 00:15:07,440 Speaker 1: and find some of these names. Uh, he's gonna get 313 00:15:07,440 --> 00:15:09,720 Speaker 1: pushed up the board. Yeah, he is going to get 314 00:15:09,760 --> 00:15:11,600 Speaker 1: pushed up to board because this is tough man, because 315 00:15:11,600 --> 00:15:15,480 Speaker 1: you're you're speculating, um, who's available, and there's certain guys 316 00:15:15,560 --> 00:15:18,880 Speaker 1: who have reduction, but you don't necessarily like how they 317 00:15:18,920 --> 00:15:22,600 Speaker 1: look physically. Um. I think Curtis Weaver Um from Boise 318 00:15:22,680 --> 00:15:25,479 Speaker 1: State falls into that category. You don't like the packaging, 319 00:15:25,920 --> 00:15:28,480 Speaker 1: but you like the production, and so you just kind 320 00:15:28,480 --> 00:15:31,400 Speaker 1: of wonder where does he fit? Easy a guy second 321 00:15:31,440 --> 00:15:34,080 Speaker 1: third round? Can can they find him in those stages? 322 00:15:34,120 --> 00:15:36,200 Speaker 1: So it's one of those things where you gonna have 323 00:15:36,200 --> 00:15:38,440 Speaker 1: to swing. You gonna take some big swings to try 324 00:15:38,480 --> 00:15:41,040 Speaker 1: and find some pass because outside after the first couple 325 00:15:41,040 --> 00:15:43,880 Speaker 1: of guys go significant drop off in terms of the 326 00:15:44,000 --> 00:15:46,440 Speaker 1: value in the town. Well, I want to have a 327 00:15:46,480 --> 00:15:49,080 Speaker 1: discussion now about some of these uh little clusters and 328 00:15:49,120 --> 00:15:51,400 Speaker 1: really this is just two players, and I've done this 329 00:15:51,520 --> 00:15:53,040 Speaker 1: during this time of year. I kind of print out 330 00:15:53,080 --> 00:15:55,880 Speaker 1: my top fifty list and I end up trying to 331 00:15:55,920 --> 00:15:58,560 Speaker 1: Now I'm gonna stack my positions going beyond the top 332 00:15:58,600 --> 00:16:00,680 Speaker 1: fifty and eventually lead to put together, you know, a 333 00:16:00,680 --> 00:16:03,640 Speaker 1: top one hundred list. I'll have my top two hundred 334 00:16:03,680 --> 00:16:05,760 Speaker 1: players kind of ranked personally even I'll post the top 335 00:16:05,800 --> 00:16:09,080 Speaker 1: one hundred UM. But the different things to sort out. 336 00:16:09,120 --> 00:16:11,320 Speaker 1: I talked about it a couple of weeks ago. I 337 00:16:11,360 --> 00:16:14,800 Speaker 1: had went on a Justin Herbert Jordan's Love Quest UM 338 00:16:14,880 --> 00:16:16,840 Speaker 1: to kind of sort those two players out. That was 339 00:16:16,960 --> 00:16:20,000 Speaker 1: one cluster, UM. I feel good about that. I had 340 00:16:20,000 --> 00:16:24,960 Speaker 1: a Jonathan Taylor JK. Dobbins UM cluster went through that. 341 00:16:25,040 --> 00:16:29,000 Speaker 1: I ended up with Jonathan Taylor over Dobbins very close, UM, 342 00:16:29,120 --> 00:16:32,240 Speaker 1: but I ended up pushing him above. Then you get 343 00:16:32,280 --> 00:16:35,520 Speaker 1: some of these other positions buck um receiver. I feel 344 00:16:35,560 --> 00:16:37,680 Speaker 1: pretty comfortable where I am with that top tier group 345 00:16:37,960 --> 00:16:42,520 Speaker 1: tight ends, I feel comfortable offensive tackles my top four UM, 346 00:16:42,720 --> 00:16:45,320 Speaker 1: probably not gonna change. Feel really good about that order 347 00:16:45,680 --> 00:16:49,360 Speaker 1: for personally with Beck and wills Worth's Thomas. But the 348 00:16:49,400 --> 00:16:51,240 Speaker 1: next cluster for me that I'm trying to sort out 349 00:16:51,280 --> 00:16:55,200 Speaker 1: Austin Jackson versus Josh Jones. Austin Jackson from s C 350 00:16:55,400 --> 00:16:57,680 Speaker 1: Josh Jones from Houston. So that's what I'm trying to 351 00:16:57,720 --> 00:17:03,280 Speaker 1: sort out. UH is a really good one and UM 352 00:17:03,320 --> 00:17:07,360 Speaker 1: prior to the common had josh Jones over Austin Jackson. 353 00:17:07,840 --> 00:17:10,760 Speaker 1: UH party that came from Look, man, Joshua Jones was 354 00:17:10,880 --> 00:17:13,879 Speaker 1: so solid UH the last part of the week at 355 00:17:13,880 --> 00:17:15,720 Speaker 1: the Senior ball. I was very very impressed with how 356 00:17:16,040 --> 00:17:20,000 Speaker 1: he went about his business. And then I looked at 357 00:17:20,240 --> 00:17:23,199 Speaker 1: Austin Jackson again, I'm looking at the tape and then 358 00:17:23,200 --> 00:17:25,560 Speaker 1: I had a conversation with him about the bone marrow 359 00:17:25,680 --> 00:17:28,119 Speaker 1: surgery and how he had this surgery in July and 360 00:17:28,160 --> 00:17:32,720 Speaker 1: how he said he never quite felt like himself. And 361 00:17:32,800 --> 00:17:37,280 Speaker 1: so I'm looking at what the tape shows and then 362 00:17:37,280 --> 00:17:40,840 Speaker 1: I'm thinking, Man, if he is like just coming out 363 00:17:40,880 --> 00:17:43,280 Speaker 1: of that and that's what he looks like when he's 364 00:17:43,320 --> 00:17:46,879 Speaker 1: not fully returned to form, what will he be at 365 00:17:46,920 --> 00:17:49,000 Speaker 1: the next level when he gets an opportunity to be 366 00:17:49,359 --> 00:17:52,119 Speaker 1: fully back and fully right. And so I'm kind of 367 00:17:52,160 --> 00:17:54,600 Speaker 1: grating him a little bit on a curve, But the 368 00:17:54,640 --> 00:17:57,879 Speaker 1: talent is there, and I think he is a very 369 00:17:58,160 --> 00:18:01,640 Speaker 1: natural left tackle who also has the ability to really 370 00:18:01,640 --> 00:18:03,720 Speaker 1: get it done in the run game. When I look 371 00:18:03,760 --> 00:18:07,600 Speaker 1: at Houston and Joshua Jones. They didn't really like mash 372 00:18:07,840 --> 00:18:10,720 Speaker 1: and smash there, you know, a lot of a lot 373 00:18:10,720 --> 00:18:14,879 Speaker 1: of pass pro opportunities. But because I feel like Austin 374 00:18:14,960 --> 00:18:17,399 Speaker 1: Jackson is a little more balanced when it comes to 375 00:18:17,440 --> 00:18:19,760 Speaker 1: being able to be a solid run blocker, I put 376 00:18:19,840 --> 00:18:21,680 Speaker 1: him over top of Joshua Jones the last time I 377 00:18:21,720 --> 00:18:24,000 Speaker 1: did my top five. Yeah, it's it's a good discussion. 378 00:18:24,000 --> 00:18:25,119 Speaker 1: I think it's one that's going on in a lot 379 00:18:25,160 --> 00:18:27,439 Speaker 1: of draft rooms around the league. To UM trying to 380 00:18:27,520 --> 00:18:30,359 Speaker 1: see what you value and with Austin Jackson did not 381 00:18:30,400 --> 00:18:33,159 Speaker 1: play well against Iowa. UM, you know, I had a 382 00:18:33,200 --> 00:18:36,879 Speaker 1: couple of plays against against Utah, UM even early in 383 00:18:36,880 --> 00:18:39,520 Speaker 1: the year against Fresno State had some issues. But I 384 00:18:39,600 --> 00:18:42,680 Speaker 1: see the athleticism jumps out. He's more athletic than josh Jones. 385 00:18:42,720 --> 00:18:45,640 Speaker 1: That showed up in the testing. UM. There's he's twenty 386 00:18:45,720 --> 00:18:47,520 Speaker 1: years old, so you know there's room for growth. You 387 00:18:47,640 --> 00:18:51,439 Speaker 1: factor in the bone marrow procedure there to help his sister. 388 00:18:51,960 --> 00:18:55,240 Speaker 1: So to me, it's a it's you can see where 389 00:18:55,720 --> 00:18:58,479 Speaker 1: the trend line is. You can see Austin Jackson, you know, 390 00:18:58,560 --> 00:19:01,160 Speaker 1: going past him, and I have him currently over Josh Jones. 391 00:19:01,240 --> 00:19:03,560 Speaker 1: Josh Jones. Though, if you're just gonna say, let's great 392 00:19:03,640 --> 00:19:06,359 Speaker 1: how they played on the tape this year, Josh Jones 393 00:19:06,440 --> 00:19:09,640 Speaker 1: was a steadier, steadier player, So it's a little bit 394 00:19:09,680 --> 00:19:12,359 Speaker 1: takes a little bit of faith, um, to put Austin 395 00:19:12,440 --> 00:19:14,520 Speaker 1: Jackson above him. But that's the debate. That's the debate 396 00:19:14,560 --> 00:19:17,199 Speaker 1: has taking place. Yeah, that is the debate. And what 397 00:19:17,280 --> 00:19:19,159 Speaker 1: you're trying to do. And we've talked about this a 398 00:19:19,160 --> 00:19:23,080 Speaker 1: little bit, but when you're evaluating players, you're not just 399 00:19:23,160 --> 00:19:26,520 Speaker 1: evaluating the final season. Uh, You're really trying to take 400 00:19:26,560 --> 00:19:29,719 Speaker 1: everything into consideration, the entire body of work, how they 401 00:19:29,760 --> 00:19:35,280 Speaker 1: developed from freshman, sophomore to junior season. UM, what issues 402 00:19:35,520 --> 00:19:38,080 Speaker 1: that are known issues when it comes to the medical 403 00:19:38,160 --> 00:19:42,399 Speaker 1: history and how that impacted how they performed, and some 404 00:19:42,520 --> 00:19:45,359 Speaker 1: of it is really a leap of faith in terms 405 00:19:45,400 --> 00:19:47,960 Speaker 1: of how you think this player is going to project 406 00:19:48,359 --> 00:19:52,160 Speaker 1: for whatever reason. I just believe that that surgery took 407 00:19:52,200 --> 00:19:55,080 Speaker 1: a lot out of Jackson early in the year and 408 00:19:55,200 --> 00:19:57,320 Speaker 1: it took him a while to get back to form. 409 00:19:57,359 --> 00:20:00,480 Speaker 1: And I felt like, UM, by the of the season, 410 00:20:00,520 --> 00:20:02,840 Speaker 1: we were beginning to see that even though a j 411 00:20:02,960 --> 00:20:06,000 Speaker 1: Epenessa worked him a little bit in the Bowl game. 412 00:20:06,560 --> 00:20:09,040 Speaker 1: A j Epeness is a first round pick, so it happens, 413 00:20:09,240 --> 00:20:12,840 Speaker 1: no doubt. I'm gonna give you my three defensive battles 414 00:20:12,840 --> 00:20:14,640 Speaker 1: that I'm trying to sort out here over the next 415 00:20:14,640 --> 00:20:17,320 Speaker 1: coming weeks, and I want you to tell me which 416 00:20:17,320 --> 00:20:20,040 Speaker 1: one you think is the most difficult to sort. So 417 00:20:20,040 --> 00:20:22,040 Speaker 1: I'm gonna give you the three. You tell me which 418 00:20:22,040 --> 00:20:23,760 Speaker 1: one is the most difficult to sort and why? So 419 00:20:23,800 --> 00:20:27,440 Speaker 1: I have uh trying to sort Caleb and Chason versus 420 00:20:27,440 --> 00:20:30,679 Speaker 1: your tour gross matos at the edge dresser position. I 421 00:20:30,760 --> 00:20:33,720 Speaker 1: have Patrick Queen versus Kenneth Murray, two guys I really 422 00:20:33,800 --> 00:20:36,720 Speaker 1: really like. And Kenneth Murray is making a strong push 423 00:20:36,840 --> 00:20:39,080 Speaker 1: right now everything that I've continued to study on him. 424 00:20:39,119 --> 00:20:41,960 Speaker 1: So those two and then guys we've talked about today, 425 00:20:42,040 --> 00:20:45,760 Speaker 1: Jalen Johnson versus A. J. Terrell. So of those three 426 00:20:45,880 --> 00:20:48,960 Speaker 1: battles there, Buck, which one is the most difficult to 427 00:20:48,960 --> 00:20:51,439 Speaker 1: figure out? And why? Oh? I think the edge rusher 428 00:20:51,520 --> 00:20:54,960 Speaker 1: battle Calem and Jason and you're two a gross mottoes. 429 00:20:55,320 --> 00:21:00,440 Speaker 1: That's a difficult one. It's a difficult one because man 430 00:21:00,720 --> 00:21:04,359 Speaker 1: Calaman chasing is super athletic. Um when I look at 431 00:21:04,400 --> 00:21:06,880 Speaker 1: my notes and my report on him. The first thing 432 00:21:06,920 --> 00:21:12,720 Speaker 1: that I talked about is speed, speed, speed, urgent athlete, explosive, dynamic, 433 00:21:13,240 --> 00:21:16,639 Speaker 1: all of those things. And you see the flashes where 434 00:21:17,040 --> 00:21:21,720 Speaker 1: he flashes the potential athletically to completely take over the game. However, 435 00:21:22,119 --> 00:21:27,199 Speaker 1: I don't have significant production to kind of validate that opinion. UM, 436 00:21:27,280 --> 00:21:29,400 Speaker 1: I'm able to say, like, hey, if he gets with coaching, 437 00:21:29,480 --> 00:21:32,080 Speaker 1: if he does this, if he does that, or whatever, 438 00:21:32,320 --> 00:21:36,840 Speaker 1: the flashes stand out your two Gross Mottos to me, 439 00:21:37,359 --> 00:21:41,719 Speaker 1: isn't as flashy, but he's a steady and consistent producer 440 00:21:41,920 --> 00:21:44,879 Speaker 1: off the line. Um. When I looked at him, he 441 00:21:44,960 --> 00:21:47,920 Speaker 1: reminded me a lot of Jason Pierre Paul coming out 442 00:21:47,920 --> 00:21:52,000 Speaker 1: of South Florida. Um, he's long, Uh, he has some athleticism. 443 00:21:52,040 --> 00:21:54,639 Speaker 1: We see him use his hands. Uh, he has the 444 00:21:54,640 --> 00:21:56,480 Speaker 1: ability to kind of come inside on some of the 445 00:21:56,520 --> 00:21:59,200 Speaker 1: loops and games. I just think he's a very very 446 00:21:59,280 --> 00:22:03,680 Speaker 1: solid player who's been consistently productive. And so I would 447 00:22:03,720 --> 00:22:05,800 Speaker 1: say it's kind of like the debate that you have 448 00:22:05,960 --> 00:22:10,399 Speaker 1: with Justin Herbert and Jordan's love. Uh, Chason has the 449 00:22:10,560 --> 00:22:14,840 Speaker 1: higher ceiling. Uh. Gross Mottos probably has the higher floor. 450 00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:17,159 Speaker 1: Which one do you want to roll the dice on 451 00:22:17,280 --> 00:22:19,680 Speaker 1: to bring to your team. Well, that's a great point. 452 00:22:19,840 --> 00:22:24,000 Speaker 1: And you know, the interesting thing is with the quarterback position, Man, I, I, 453 00:22:24,200 --> 00:22:27,040 Speaker 1: and and everybody's different. Every value there's different. Quarterback maybe 454 00:22:27,200 --> 00:22:30,720 Speaker 1: I tend to lean a little more conservative, whereas pass 455 00:22:30,840 --> 00:22:34,720 Speaker 1: rushers maybe factoring in traits a little bit more and saying, Okay, 456 00:22:34,760 --> 00:22:37,080 Speaker 1: this guy has the stuff you can really develop and 457 00:22:37,119 --> 00:22:40,040 Speaker 1: grow with maybe being a little more adventuresome there at 458 00:22:40,080 --> 00:22:43,880 Speaker 1: the edge rusher position as opposed to the quarterback spot. Yeah, 459 00:22:43,960 --> 00:22:47,560 Speaker 1: you know, it's tough because like it's six on one hand, 460 00:22:47,600 --> 00:22:49,720 Speaker 1: half a dozen on the other when it comes to 461 00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:53,560 Speaker 1: projecting those athletic guys, like a couple of years ago, 462 00:22:53,640 --> 00:22:55,679 Speaker 1: we had similar conversations what we had to deal with 463 00:22:55,720 --> 00:22:58,600 Speaker 1: Litter Floyd. You know, you saw the athleticism, you saw 464 00:22:58,640 --> 00:23:03,120 Speaker 1: the trace or whatever, but Chicago and never necessarily consistently popped. 465 00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:05,920 Speaker 1: Uh doesn't mean that it won't pop for him, But 466 00:23:05,920 --> 00:23:09,040 Speaker 1: but you wonder with Yeah, with Caleb and Chasing, I 467 00:23:09,080 --> 00:23:12,199 Speaker 1: see the trace, I see the athleticism. Had a conversation 468 00:23:12,200 --> 00:23:14,480 Speaker 1: with him about kind of learned it as it goes, 469 00:23:14,560 --> 00:23:17,359 Speaker 1: and you like the kid is just will he be 470 00:23:17,440 --> 00:23:21,160 Speaker 1: able to add enough tools to the toolbox that when 471 00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:24,359 Speaker 1: they start hitting the fastball that he has something else 472 00:23:24,359 --> 00:23:26,000 Speaker 1: that he can win with. Does he have a change up? 473 00:23:26,040 --> 00:23:28,239 Speaker 1: Does he have a curveball? H what does he have? 474 00:23:28,320 --> 00:23:30,119 Speaker 1: So a lot of that is on the kid and 475 00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:32,880 Speaker 1: also on the coach, and so that's why we talk 476 00:23:32,960 --> 00:23:36,199 Speaker 1: about it. You have to scout your room. You have 477 00:23:36,320 --> 00:23:39,480 Speaker 1: to know who you have. Is that Dlon edge rusher coach? 478 00:23:39,760 --> 00:23:42,040 Speaker 1: And what is his track record for getting guys to 479 00:23:42,080 --> 00:23:45,040 Speaker 1: play above what they displayed in college. Yeah, I think 480 00:23:45,040 --> 00:23:47,080 Speaker 1: the Neil Hunter is kind of the example of a 481 00:23:47,080 --> 00:23:49,320 Speaker 1: guy who didn't have that production who you bet on 482 00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:51,960 Speaker 1: with the traits and then it hit. But then, as 483 00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:54,520 Speaker 1: you mentioned Buck, there's a long list of guys who 484 00:23:54,520 --> 00:23:56,520 Speaker 1: did not have production and you're hoping that's going to 485 00:23:56,600 --> 00:23:58,760 Speaker 1: come at the next level and it just never happened. 486 00:23:58,800 --> 00:24:01,359 Speaker 1: So um, I think again comes down to getting to 487 00:24:01,359 --> 00:24:03,080 Speaker 1: know the kid as best as you can, as well 488 00:24:03,119 --> 00:24:04,840 Speaker 1: as knowing what you have in your in your in 489 00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:06,960 Speaker 1: your coaching room. There uh to be able to pull 490 00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:08,560 Speaker 1: it out of these guys and get them better and 491 00:24:08,600 --> 00:24:11,359 Speaker 1: develop them. I want to get to this conversation that 492 00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:14,720 Speaker 1: you had with Thomas Dimitrof over the weekend in regards 493 00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:16,440 Speaker 1: to the Atlanta Falcons. But because I thought it was 494 00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:20,120 Speaker 1: quite fascinating. I mean, it's it's fascinating, uh, But let 495 00:24:20,119 --> 00:24:21,960 Speaker 1: me preface it first. So when I was with the 496 00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:25,280 Speaker 1: Green Bay Packers, had a conversation, uh with Round with 497 00:24:25,400 --> 00:24:28,120 Speaker 1: a long time ago Round Wolf will tell you Hall 498 00:24:28,160 --> 00:24:30,520 Speaker 1: of Fame executive Ron Wolf will tell you that he 499 00:24:30,560 --> 00:24:32,600 Speaker 1: credits a lot of what he learned from a team 500 00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:36,359 Speaker 1: building and evaluation standpoint to the late Al Davis. So 501 00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:38,440 Speaker 1: I have an opportunity to play in Oakland. I saw 502 00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:43,200 Speaker 1: firsthand how Al Davis treated former first round picks. And 503 00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:47,040 Speaker 1: there's a theory that says, if you are a team, 504 00:24:47,080 --> 00:24:51,320 Speaker 1: it is always smart to whenever first round pick is released, 505 00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:54,080 Speaker 1: to at least bring him through the building and kick 506 00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:56,720 Speaker 1: the tires on him. And the reason why you want 507 00:24:56,760 --> 00:24:59,600 Speaker 1: to do that is typically the guys that earned first 508 00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:05,159 Speaker 1: round rates are typically consistent, consensus first round talents, meaning 509 00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:09,040 Speaker 1: that we as a scouting community saw those guys as 510 00:25:09,359 --> 00:25:12,600 Speaker 1: kind of the best of the best from a talent perspective. Now, 511 00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:16,040 Speaker 1: however they performed, sometimes that could be on them, but 512 00:25:16,119 --> 00:25:18,399 Speaker 1: sometimes it could be on the environment, could be on 513 00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:22,520 Speaker 1: the coaching staff and the like. So Ron always said, 514 00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:24,600 Speaker 1: bring those guys in and see if a change of 515 00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:27,520 Speaker 1: scenery will bring that talent to the surface. When I 516 00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:30,000 Speaker 1: look at the Atlanta Falcons and the fact that the 517 00:25:30,040 --> 00:25:35,000 Speaker 1: Atlanta Falcons potentially could have an offense with eleven first 518 00:25:35,080 --> 00:25:40,359 Speaker 1: rounders in the starting rotation, I just think that is fantastic. 519 00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:43,560 Speaker 1: I'm looking at it now. At wide receiver Julio Jones, 520 00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:48,560 Speaker 1: Calvin Ridley, tied In Hayden Hurst, center Alex mac left tackle, 521 00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:53,440 Speaker 1: Jake Matthews, left guard, Chris Carpenter, right guard Chris Lindstrom, 522 00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:57,840 Speaker 1: Caleb mcgeary at right tackle, quarterback Matt Ryan tied Gurley. 523 00:25:57,880 --> 00:26:02,640 Speaker 1: They just signed. Look one Trip will who also could 524 00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:06,359 Speaker 1: get into that mix. And so some of us believe 525 00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:09,720 Speaker 1: that this is a a talent deal, meaning it is 526 00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:12,920 Speaker 1: a thing where, uh, you have to have the most 527 00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:16,560 Speaker 1: talent to win games. There's no denying that Atlanta Falcons 528 00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:20,200 Speaker 1: have a tremendous amount of town, no doubt, and um, 529 00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:22,959 Speaker 1: you know, it's interesting. I think about it, even from 530 00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:25,159 Speaker 1: a standpoint of the draft and you get to the 531 00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:27,679 Speaker 1: later portions of the draft, I think there's a lot 532 00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:29,399 Speaker 1: of teams pay attention to who were these kids that 533 00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:31,359 Speaker 1: were five star kids coming out of high school that 534 00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:33,960 Speaker 1: had some pedigree and for whatever reason, their college career 535 00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:36,760 Speaker 1: never got untracked. Um, you know, I know, obviously he 536 00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:39,119 Speaker 1: didn't fall that far in the draft, but Stefon Stefon 537 00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:40,960 Speaker 1: Diggs is a is a great example in the past 538 00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:44,800 Speaker 1: if somebody big time high recruit coming out of high 539 00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:46,960 Speaker 1: school and injuries kind of derailed him there at Maryland. 540 00:26:47,080 --> 00:26:49,680 Speaker 1: But you mentioned Willie Willie Gray Jr. There, big time 541 00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:51,760 Speaker 1: five star athlete in Mississippi State. I was just talking 542 00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:54,040 Speaker 1: to a team the other day about him because the 543 00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:56,639 Speaker 1: guy doesn't start a game this year, had some suspensions, 544 00:26:56,680 --> 00:26:58,920 Speaker 1: it was academic related. Teams have cleaned him up a 545 00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:02,560 Speaker 1: little bit from a character standpoint, but man, buck the flashes. 546 00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:05,600 Speaker 1: I mean, he's got his first round ability and it's 547 00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:07,520 Speaker 1: just a matter of where you take him in the draft. 548 00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:09,600 Speaker 1: But that's part of that pedigree you had coming into 549 00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:12,520 Speaker 1: college as well. So it's funny, DJ, you and I 550 00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:15,720 Speaker 1: had similar conversations because I had a team, uh talk 551 00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:17,359 Speaker 1: to me, and I had a coach who interviewed him 552 00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:19,919 Speaker 1: at the combine. It was like, Hey, dude, um, he 553 00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:23,280 Speaker 1: five star player, and when you watch him play, he's athletic, 554 00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:27,000 Speaker 1: he's fast, he moves around and makes plays. He said, 555 00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:29,360 Speaker 1: I don't know if he can get people lined up, 556 00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:32,440 Speaker 1: but man, he certainly can play. And if you got 557 00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:34,879 Speaker 1: the right support system around him where you can just 558 00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:38,320 Speaker 1: free him up to run around and play off his instincts, 559 00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:41,000 Speaker 1: he certainly can make plays. And they got told me, 560 00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:43,639 Speaker 1: man day two, when you're looking for guys that can 561 00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:45,959 Speaker 1: not only play, but they can do some special team stuff, 562 00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:48,560 Speaker 1: he is going to be in that conversation. And that 563 00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:50,640 Speaker 1: was something that I don't know many of us if 564 00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:53,520 Speaker 1: we talked about that coming into the combine. Yeah, No, 565 00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:55,719 Speaker 1: it was somebody I had watched and I saw, Man, 566 00:27:55,760 --> 00:27:58,200 Speaker 1: I saw these flashes. I saw pick six against Kentucky. 567 00:27:58,240 --> 00:28:00,520 Speaker 1: I was like, this guy is explosive. But then you 568 00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:03,000 Speaker 1: read through the background stuff without knowing anything about the kid, 569 00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:04,920 Speaker 1: and you see all these suspensions, the fact he hasn't 570 00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:06,439 Speaker 1: started a game, and I'm like, man, I don't know 571 00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:07,560 Speaker 1: if I want to. I don't know if that's the 572 00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:09,440 Speaker 1: roller coaster I want to hop on, and I don't 573 00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:11,320 Speaker 1: know all the information. And then as you're starting to 574 00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:14,120 Speaker 1: learn more the information. You're going, Okay, well it's these 575 00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:17,639 Speaker 1: sins are forgivable. Uh. And this is a tremendous athlete, Yeah, 576 00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:22,360 Speaker 1: I mean explosive, dynamic athlete. And in some of these 577 00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:26,800 Speaker 1: situations you are looking at your coaching staff and trying 578 00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:30,200 Speaker 1: to figure out which guys are developmental guys, which guys 579 00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:32,840 Speaker 1: will have an opportunity to get better. If I'm going 580 00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:35,320 Speaker 1: to take a chance of someone getting better, I would 581 00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:38,160 Speaker 1: rather have a ball of clay that has a lot 582 00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:41,000 Speaker 1: of talent in it as opposed to trying to build 583 00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:43,720 Speaker 1: one up from scratch. Ye know, I'm with you on that, 584 00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:46,920 Speaker 1: all right, Buck, We've had a bunch of listener questions 585 00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:51,000 Speaker 1: on Apple Podcasts. Again, if you have questions for us, um, 586 00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:53,360 Speaker 1: just go to Apple Podcasts. Hold no, hold, no no, 587 00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:55,520 Speaker 1: because this is gonna go ahead, Buck, where we got 588 00:28:55,880 --> 00:28:58,080 Speaker 1: oh no, no, no big because this this has been 589 00:28:58,120 --> 00:29:00,680 Speaker 1: on the rundown for like the lad that's five shows. 590 00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:04,120 Speaker 1: So let's let's talk about this quickly about Oregon and 591 00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:07,480 Speaker 1: the pro Day and Justin Herbert and that stuff. Let's 592 00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:10,160 Speaker 1: just talk about like whatever it is that we saw, 593 00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:12,120 Speaker 1: like how you view I know we talked about the 594 00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:15,600 Speaker 1: cluster Buster I feel like it was so long ago. Buck, 595 00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:20,200 Speaker 1: So it was, but I'm sitting here, I'm looking at it, like, uh, 596 00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:22,080 Speaker 1: at least talk about it, so I can. I can, 597 00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:24,200 Speaker 1: I can move past it and get it off my screen. 598 00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:26,360 Speaker 1: I think no Bill, I think no Bill has hell 599 00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:28,760 Speaker 1: bent that he cannot. We cannot move on with the 600 00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:32,680 Speaker 1: podcast unless we discuss what happened at Oregon's pro day 601 00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:35,560 Speaker 1: nine months ago. So let's get let's make let's make 602 00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:38,800 Speaker 1: him happy, and let's and let's knock it out. You know, 603 00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:41,320 Speaker 1: it's funny because like he had the chance day at 604 00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:43,840 Speaker 1: the stage all to himself because we didn't see many 605 00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:46,400 Speaker 1: pro days. I think the thing with Justin Herbert, like 606 00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:49,480 Speaker 1: where we are now is I feel like he's great 607 00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:53,320 Speaker 1: is almost in concrete right like we've seen him. Uh, 608 00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:56,239 Speaker 1: he's a four year player. Uh, he played in the 609 00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:59,080 Speaker 1: Senior Bowl. He did his thing at the Senior Bowl 610 00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:00,760 Speaker 1: where he was m v P through the bar really 611 00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:03,200 Speaker 1: well at the combine. Uh. The one thing that I'm 612 00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:05,080 Speaker 1: gonna say about him, and this kind of goes to 613 00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:07,880 Speaker 1: some old school scouts who kind of lean on the 614 00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:12,520 Speaker 1: Bill Parcels rule of quarterbacks. He falls in line with 615 00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:15,680 Speaker 1: their rule and so their rule simply states that you 616 00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:19,240 Speaker 1: need to be a three year starter, a college graduate. Uh. 617 00:30:19,280 --> 00:30:20,960 Speaker 1: He would like to see you have a two to 618 00:30:21,040 --> 00:30:24,920 Speaker 1: one touchdown to interception ratio. Herbert does that. Um, he 619 00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:27,520 Speaker 1: would like to see twenty three wins during the time. 620 00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:30,360 Speaker 1: He has more than that. Um. We saw him play 621 00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:33,560 Speaker 1: in a big time Bowl game. Uh. He he has 622 00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:36,120 Speaker 1: all of the trades that you look for. And so 623 00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:38,560 Speaker 1: they're only two guys that kind of fit the criteria 624 00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:43,240 Speaker 1: is justin Herbert and Jalen Hurts. What's interesting about the 625 00:30:43,280 --> 00:30:46,239 Speaker 1: Herbert conversation. I feel like he is where he is. 626 00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:49,360 Speaker 1: I feel like in talking to people, Jalen Hurts is 627 00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:52,080 Speaker 1: the one that is kind of climbing, and he's climbing 628 00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:55,040 Speaker 1: because I think more people are getting comfortable with the kid, 629 00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:58,640 Speaker 1: and then they look back and they say, hey, he's 630 00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:01,920 Speaker 1: won a lot of games. He was a driving force 631 00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:05,480 Speaker 1: for Alabama as a freshman where he broke off a 632 00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:08,440 Speaker 1: fifty yard run or thirty five yard run that would 633 00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:10,719 Speaker 1: have been the game winner if not for the magic 634 00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:14,400 Speaker 1: that Deshaun Watson displayed. That would have changed the narrative 635 00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:18,200 Speaker 1: surrounding Jalen Hurts. He also sucked it up when to 636 00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:21,640 Speaker 1: a tongue of Valoa won the job. He stayed. He 637 00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:24,160 Speaker 1: had an opportunity in the SEC championship game to get 638 00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:26,960 Speaker 1: in and make plays. He made plays. He goes to 639 00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:31,280 Speaker 1: Oklahoma kind of remade his game, played at a different level. 640 00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:35,800 Speaker 1: Was a thrower more so than a runner. And simultaneously 641 00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:40,640 Speaker 1: the National Football League was shifting. And so Jalen Hurts 642 00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:45,320 Speaker 1: is a very very interesting prospect for very creative UH 643 00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:49,360 Speaker 1: coaching staffs and scouting departments. Yeah, and I've mentioned him 644 00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:52,080 Speaker 1: in an article I have up now on on NFL 645 00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:54,320 Speaker 1: dot com. We're gonna do a video about this, you know, 646 00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:57,280 Speaker 1: the likely landing spots for the seven top quarterbacks in 647 00:31:57,320 --> 00:32:00,320 Speaker 1: the draft. And he is buck. Look I've I've told 648 00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:02,000 Speaker 1: you He's kept me up at night because I just 649 00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:05,240 Speaker 1: have this sensation that I'm too low on Jalen Hurts 650 00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:07,800 Speaker 1: and he's going to find his way more than likely 651 00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:09,760 Speaker 1: into my top fifty. Because I just want to have 652 00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:12,240 Speaker 1: a good night's sleep. I want to stop worrying about 653 00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:15,400 Speaker 1: having these nightmares of Jalen Hurts, you know, tearing up 654 00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:17,800 Speaker 1: the league. In here, I'm a bozo and didn't have 655 00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:21,640 Speaker 1: him my top fifty. So um, he is the competitiveness, 656 00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:25,400 Speaker 1: the toughness, the playmaking ability, all that stuff is real. Uh, 657 00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:29,280 Speaker 1: the arm strength to make every throw. Um, the intelligence, 658 00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:31,680 Speaker 1: the work ethic, it's all there. It's just a matter 659 00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:34,200 Speaker 1: of can you throw with anticipation in timing. Some things 660 00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:37,000 Speaker 1: that he needs to continue to work on and develop. Um, 661 00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:38,800 Speaker 1: But I'm with you. I think he is somebody that's 662 00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:41,760 Speaker 1: gonna really gain steam as we come through this last 663 00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:44,160 Speaker 1: round of draft meetings. All right, can we do? Can 664 00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:46,320 Speaker 1: we do listener questions? Now? Can we open? And yes 665 00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:49,320 Speaker 1: we can? We can do the questions. Alright, alright, let's 666 00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:51,000 Speaker 1: go here. I'll start you off here. We'll go every 667 00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:54,120 Speaker 1: other one again. Go to Apple Podcasts, leave us a 668 00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:56,240 Speaker 1: rating review, drop a question there, will answer it on 669 00:32:56,280 --> 00:32:59,800 Speaker 1: the podcast. What's your opinion on treating away known commodities 670 00:32:59,840 --> 00:33:02,520 Speaker 1: who were already performing well in the league for unknown 671 00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:05,040 Speaker 1: commodities in the draft? And I already know Bucky Brooks 672 00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:07,480 Speaker 1: answer to this question. Oh man, you know I'm always 673 00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:10,080 Speaker 1: gonna go players over picks. I kind of like to 674 00:33:10,120 --> 00:33:11,920 Speaker 1: know what I'm doing, and some of that comes from 675 00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:14,200 Speaker 1: Warren Buffett. I know right now it's not a great 676 00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:16,840 Speaker 1: time to talk about the stock market. But Warren Buffett 677 00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:20,240 Speaker 1: always talks about cast your lot on brand names. Well, 678 00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:22,280 Speaker 1: the brand names in the league are the ones that 679 00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:24,400 Speaker 1: play and play at a high level. So I'm a 680 00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:26,960 Speaker 1: little more apt to kind of lean on players that 681 00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:29,320 Speaker 1: I've seen play and play at a high level in 682 00:33:29,320 --> 00:33:31,920 Speaker 1: the National Football League more so than kind of the 683 00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:35,760 Speaker 1: unknown players that are coming into the league. However, I'll 684 00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:39,600 Speaker 1: put a little asterisk boite in this. I will lean 685 00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:43,840 Speaker 1: on those players provided that the price tag isn't exorbitant, 686 00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:47,320 Speaker 1: meaning that it's not going to wreck the salary cap 687 00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:51,000 Speaker 1: structure of the team building process. If it can be 688 00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:54,800 Speaker 1: worked within how we're building the team, cool, I'm all 689 00:33:54,840 --> 00:33:57,280 Speaker 1: about doing it. But if it can then I'm gonna 690 00:33:57,280 --> 00:33:59,680 Speaker 1: have to go and kind of tap into the unknown 691 00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:03,920 Speaker 1: common of these because hopefully I'm on a team a 692 00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:07,160 Speaker 1: scouting staff that does a great job of evaluating players, 693 00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:10,680 Speaker 1: and we'll find a replacement. It may not be uh 694 00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:13,040 Speaker 1: like value, but we'll get someone that can play and 695 00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:15,120 Speaker 1: play really well. But I'm still gonna lean towards players 696 00:34:15,160 --> 00:34:18,959 Speaker 1: over picks. There's a line in baseball where I've heard 697 00:34:19,080 --> 00:34:23,040 Speaker 1: over this last couple off seasons. Prospects are nice parades 698 00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:26,440 Speaker 1: are nicer. That was a pretty good way of saying it. 699 00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:30,080 Speaker 1: You know, it's like to have the picks, but you know, players, 700 00:34:30,080 --> 00:34:32,600 Speaker 1: players help get your parades. All right, what you got 701 00:34:32,640 --> 00:34:35,319 Speaker 1: one for me? Give you the next question here? Could 702 00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:38,040 Speaker 1: you got Can we discuss the ways that Jets general 703 00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:41,399 Speaker 1: manager Joe Douglas could get creative this offseason to help 704 00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:44,240 Speaker 1: out Sam darn Well, you've seen it. They've signed five 705 00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:48,000 Speaker 1: offensive linemen and free agency, and that was the number 706 00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:50,279 Speaker 1: one issue for this team was getting better upfront. Now, 707 00:34:51,200 --> 00:34:53,239 Speaker 1: they didn't have a ton of money to spend after 708 00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:56,360 Speaker 1: the money that was spent last year's off season, so uh, 709 00:34:56,400 --> 00:34:58,160 Speaker 1: they had to kind of spread their money out and 710 00:34:58,200 --> 00:35:00,359 Speaker 1: they had a lot of needs on this roster. So 711 00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:03,200 Speaker 1: you're not gonna see the big name, big ticket item 712 00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:06,239 Speaker 1: in free agency, but you get guys um on the 713 00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:08,880 Speaker 1: interior and on the edges, a guy like fant tackle 714 00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:11,239 Speaker 1: who's very athletic. They're gonna want to do a lot 715 00:35:11,239 --> 00:35:13,200 Speaker 1: of zone stuff. He fits in with what they want 716 00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:16,799 Speaker 1: to do there. Um, they've they've uh, they brought in 717 00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:20,839 Speaker 1: what is it McGovern from from Denver who's a really 718 00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:24,440 Speaker 1: really good solid center. Um, so they've they've done a 719 00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:27,080 Speaker 1: nice job of getting place holders in place where they 720 00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:29,239 Speaker 1: can line up and play the game. Now, they're still 721 00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:32,560 Speaker 1: gonna address the offensive line in the draft. Um Alex 722 00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:34,719 Speaker 1: Lewis was another one they brought in. They brought back 723 00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:36,759 Speaker 1: who started and played pretty well for them last year. 724 00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:39,400 Speaker 1: But right now, it's just getting bodies in there, you know, 725 00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:41,760 Speaker 1: getting bodies, guys that have started games in the NFL, 726 00:35:42,040 --> 00:35:44,480 Speaker 1: Guys that can be functional, and then continue to try 727 00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:47,960 Speaker 1: and upgrade that there's there's a needed receiver with with 728 00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:51,080 Speaker 1: Robby Anderson situation not resolved right now, Buck, But in 729 00:35:51,120 --> 00:35:53,960 Speaker 1: this draft, to me, I'm almost an advocate of saying, 730 00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:55,719 Speaker 1: let's just wait until you get it to the third, 731 00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:58,000 Speaker 1: fourth round. You'll be able to find upgrades over the 732 00:35:58,080 --> 00:36:02,840 Speaker 1: Jets receivers in those rounds in this draft. Oh absolutely. Um. 733 00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:05,319 Speaker 1: If I had to look at the Jets receiver corps 734 00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:07,040 Speaker 1: right now, it's only one guy that I would say, 735 00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:10,400 Speaker 1: I would um kind of pen as a guy that 736 00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:12,560 Speaker 1: I have to have, and that would be Champison Crowder 737 00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:15,000 Speaker 1: because I think Jamison Crowder is an established slide receiver 738 00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:17,480 Speaker 1: who can really move the chain, So I think outside 739 00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:20,840 Speaker 1: of that it's wide open. Um. I would be in 740 00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:25,200 Speaker 1: the draft looking for UH players and playmakers that could 741 00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:27,800 Speaker 1: come in and make plays on the second or third round. 742 00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:31,360 Speaker 1: I think there are a ton of available wide receivers 743 00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:34,200 Speaker 1: that will kind of be there um in that range. 744 00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:37,759 Speaker 1: And I also think, um, if I'm Joe D, I 745 00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:39,880 Speaker 1: think and I'm Joe D. I haven't had any contact 746 00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:42,960 Speaker 1: with Robbie Anderson. I think in a couple of days, 747 00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:46,040 Speaker 1: I think I may uh send a little text to 748 00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:49,560 Speaker 1: see if his price tag has come down significantly from 749 00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:51,680 Speaker 1: what he thought it was going to be. I mean, 750 00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:53,799 Speaker 1: you know, like maybe I just kind of circle back 751 00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:55,960 Speaker 1: and be like, hey man, how you doing? You know, 752 00:36:56,400 --> 00:37:00,480 Speaker 1: because I don't think Robbie Anderson found UH for agency 753 00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:02,480 Speaker 1: to be what he thought it was going to be. 754 00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:04,360 Speaker 1: I agree with you. I think the whole wide receiver 755 00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:07,720 Speaker 1: market was a shock. After Marie Cooper got his money, 756 00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:11,319 Speaker 1: wasn't much left around. Everybody else said we're just gonna 757 00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:13,240 Speaker 1: wait and and we're gonna go all in on the draft. 758 00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:15,439 Speaker 1: That's why you see so many of these players really 759 00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:17,200 Speaker 1: kind of stuck to take one year deals, like a 760 00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:20,000 Speaker 1: guy like Nelson Aghilard did with the price tech really 761 00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:22,640 Speaker 1: coming down. Um, alright, But let's just do a couple 762 00:37:22,680 --> 00:37:26,400 Speaker 1: more questions there. I'm gonna skip down. Um, Jerry Judy 763 00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:29,799 Speaker 1: a similar player to a Marie Cooper. If so, why 764 00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:34,759 Speaker 1: would John Gruden want him? Good question. Uh, there's a 765 00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:37,320 Speaker 1: very good question, and I think they are very, very similar. 766 00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:38,960 Speaker 1: And I think it goes all the way back to 767 00:37:39,080 --> 00:37:41,400 Speaker 1: Jerry Judy will tell you that he looked up to 768 00:37:41,480 --> 00:37:44,399 Speaker 1: a Mariy Cooper. Uh, coming from South Florida, being able 769 00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:46,640 Speaker 1: to watch him in high school. Uh, kind of followed 770 00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:51,200 Speaker 1: him to Alabama. Both guys are uh outstanding route runners 771 00:37:51,239 --> 00:37:54,719 Speaker 1: and playmakers. UM. I think the thing that is a 772 00:37:54,760 --> 00:37:58,760 Speaker 1: little different because Judy is quiet, but I think Judy 773 00:37:59,120 --> 00:38:02,279 Speaker 1: may have a little more of that competitive spirit when 774 00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:04,440 Speaker 1: it comes to the one on one challenges at the 775 00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:07,920 Speaker 1: line of scrimmage. UM. I think a Marie Cooper um 776 00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:12,520 Speaker 1: can kind of disappear with guys who are relentless in 777 00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:15,080 Speaker 1: terms of their mindset to play him at the line 778 00:38:15,120 --> 00:38:19,040 Speaker 1: of scrimmage. He has struggled as a number one when 779 00:38:19,120 --> 00:38:21,560 Speaker 1: number one corners have got up in his face and 780 00:38:21,640 --> 00:38:24,520 Speaker 1: really made it very, very difficult for him. That's why 781 00:38:24,520 --> 00:38:27,080 Speaker 1: to be interested to see what Darius Slay does the Cooper. 782 00:38:27,520 --> 00:38:30,600 Speaker 1: Uh Darius Slay being in Philly going against Mary Cooper. 783 00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:33,600 Speaker 1: I think Jerry Judah has a little more umph to 784 00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:36,200 Speaker 1: him than that, but I think they're similar. I think 785 00:38:36,239 --> 00:38:40,839 Speaker 1: the reason why John Gruden would appreciated Jerry Judy man 786 00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:44,080 Speaker 1: he's a polished player. There's not a lot of finish 787 00:38:44,120 --> 00:38:46,480 Speaker 1: that you have to put on him. He kind of 788 00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:50,880 Speaker 1: comes as a plug and play player with positional flexibility 789 00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:53,560 Speaker 1: and versatility. Maning he can play outside, he can play 790 00:38:53,600 --> 00:38:56,319 Speaker 1: in the slot. He's a high i Q player, and 791 00:38:56,360 --> 00:38:59,520 Speaker 1: as they're continuing to build their team and change the culture, 792 00:38:59,800 --> 00:39:02,319 Speaker 1: he fits into what they want to do. Yeah. No, 793 00:39:02,440 --> 00:39:05,399 Speaker 1: I think you explained that quite well. Buck Um. Let's 794 00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:07,799 Speaker 1: do one more question here before we wrap this thing up. 795 00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:09,400 Speaker 1: What do you got? All right? I don't want to 796 00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:11,560 Speaker 1: answer to Packers question because I feel like this came 797 00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:13,719 Speaker 1: from the bill. So I'm gonna go down to and 798 00:39:13,800 --> 00:39:17,280 Speaker 1: I'm just saying, how did you get into the scouting world? 799 00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:21,359 Speaker 1: How would you recommend someone to start? This? Guy says, 800 00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:24,360 Speaker 1: I'm super interested in learning how to scout players, but 801 00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:26,480 Speaker 1: don't know where to start, So just give a little advice. DJ. 802 00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:29,279 Speaker 1: Sure Um. First of all, we all there's a lot 803 00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:31,160 Speaker 1: of different ways and stories of how you got into 804 00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:34,200 Speaker 1: the NFL, uh into the scouting world. A lot of 805 00:39:34,239 --> 00:39:36,600 Speaker 1: times it's really by kind of who you've met and 806 00:39:36,680 --> 00:39:38,520 Speaker 1: who you get to know. And that's why, you know 807 00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:41,839 Speaker 1: my situation, I was working in for ESPN right out 808 00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:43,960 Speaker 1: of college, working on Sunday Night football, and at a 809 00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:47,439 Speaker 1: Sunday night football game against the Ravens. It was the Ravens, 810 00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:49,920 Speaker 1: don't even who they're playing, but I ran into somebody 811 00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:52,040 Speaker 1: in the personnel department I named t J mccraate for 812 00:39:52,040 --> 00:39:56,080 Speaker 1: the for the Baltimore Ravens, who was my brother's college roommate. Uh, 813 00:39:56,120 --> 00:39:58,919 Speaker 1: they played football together at Liberty University. So I got 814 00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:00,640 Speaker 1: to talking with him in they were gonna have an 815 00:40:00,680 --> 00:40:02,560 Speaker 1: opening and so he asked if I'd be interested. So 816 00:40:02,719 --> 00:40:05,000 Speaker 1: it was really just kind of a random happenstance thing. 817 00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:09,200 Speaker 1: But I always advise guys, you know, the college program 818 00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:12,040 Speaker 1: is is really kind of the feeder program for NFL scouts. 819 00:40:12,080 --> 00:40:13,799 Speaker 1: So if you can get a job in recruiting, and 820 00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:16,879 Speaker 1: that's like the bill our producers doing at usc UM, 821 00:40:16,920 --> 00:40:19,240 Speaker 1: getting a job where you're evaluating the high school players, 822 00:40:19,280 --> 00:40:22,680 Speaker 1: helping out the recruiting operation at these colleges, and then 823 00:40:23,239 --> 00:40:25,080 Speaker 1: you start to get to know some of the NFL 824 00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:29,319 Speaker 1: scouts as they're coming through um, getting to develop those relationships. 825 00:40:29,360 --> 00:40:32,480 Speaker 1: And I always encourage people to do two things. Number 826 00:40:32,520 --> 00:40:35,400 Speaker 1: one is sent get the email address, which will take 827 00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:37,080 Speaker 1: a little bit of effort, but you can find them 828 00:40:37,080 --> 00:40:40,239 Speaker 1: the email addresses for the Director of College Scouting for 829 00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:43,720 Speaker 1: all thirty two teams. Send them emails with your resume 830 00:40:44,080 --> 00:40:46,600 Speaker 1: as well as your Make sure you point out your 831 00:40:46,600 --> 00:40:50,440 Speaker 1: willingness to volunteer at training camp, at the combine, at 832 00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:53,480 Speaker 1: wherever you will get yourself there, you will lodge yourself 833 00:40:53,520 --> 00:40:55,960 Speaker 1: and you will give them something for free and show 834 00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:58,719 Speaker 1: them that you are interested and passionate about this profession. 835 00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:02,120 Speaker 1: The number, the number thing I tell people is you've 836 00:41:02,120 --> 00:41:05,880 Speaker 1: got to get practice watching and writing players. And we 837 00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:08,440 Speaker 1: talked about this the other day on Twitter. Buck Uh 838 00:41:08,560 --> 00:41:11,520 Speaker 1: NFL game passes free right now, so you can go 839 00:41:11,560 --> 00:41:14,600 Speaker 1: on NFL dot com find NFL game pass. You can 840 00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:18,040 Speaker 1: watch the all twenty two footage of the NFL game 841 00:41:18,239 --> 00:41:20,080 Speaker 1: and print out just print out the stats. Print out 842 00:41:20,080 --> 00:41:21,880 Speaker 1: who are the top ten guys in sacks, Who are 843 00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:24,960 Speaker 1: the top ten guys and receptions, top ten guys, UM 844 00:41:25,120 --> 00:41:28,120 Speaker 1: and touchdowns at tight ends whatever and sort them that way. 845 00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:32,080 Speaker 1: Watch those ten players. Write your report very simple. What 846 00:41:32,160 --> 00:41:33,880 Speaker 1: does he do well strengths, what does he need to 847 00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:37,439 Speaker 1: improve on weaknesses? And then your overall summary. And that's 848 00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:40,680 Speaker 1: a great way to practice watching players evaluating players. And 849 00:41:40,680 --> 00:41:43,480 Speaker 1: I would encourage people to go to UH to our 850 00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:47,200 Speaker 1: our series that we did on evaluating, which was the 851 00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:50,319 Speaker 1: the UH what do we call the Prototype series. It's 852 00:41:50,360 --> 00:41:55,000 Speaker 1: like NFL dot com slash mts Prototype and you can 853 00:41:55,040 --> 00:41:58,640 Speaker 1: find we've had conversations with people, UM that really are 854 00:41:58,719 --> 00:42:01,880 Speaker 1: our masters at each position, and we discuss how you 855 00:42:01,920 --> 00:42:05,040 Speaker 1: evaluate and how you scout each in every position. Yeah, 856 00:42:05,360 --> 00:42:07,800 Speaker 1: I think it's really important. I love your story, UM 857 00:42:07,840 --> 00:42:10,560 Speaker 1: about how you and TJ hooked up. Uh, we got 858 00:42:10,560 --> 00:42:14,080 Speaker 1: together and that led to your opportunity. My opportunity was similar, 859 00:42:14,560 --> 00:42:17,800 Speaker 1: UM in terms of I was kind of bouncing around. 860 00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:20,200 Speaker 1: I was playing with the Green Bay Packers and the 861 00:42:20,239 --> 00:42:22,839 Speaker 1: guy who picked me up from the airport it was 862 00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:26,759 Speaker 1: uh John Snyder, who was now the general manager for 863 00:42:26,880 --> 00:42:30,640 Speaker 1: the Seattle Seahawks. Well, Snyder and I had a solid 864 00:42:30,640 --> 00:42:33,239 Speaker 1: relationship then to the point where when he was the 865 00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:35,480 Speaker 1: pro director in Kansas City as a player. He brought 866 00:42:35,560 --> 00:42:37,680 Speaker 1: me in there and I played well. At the end 867 00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:41,960 Speaker 1: of my career, I was actually um, Mike McCartney, who 868 00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:44,640 Speaker 1: is now a prominent agent. Uh that I shout out 869 00:42:44,680 --> 00:42:47,440 Speaker 1: all the time. Mike McCartney was a pro director in Philadelphia. 870 00:42:47,520 --> 00:42:51,480 Speaker 1: I called him about a scouting opportunity. He was like, hey, UM, 871 00:42:51,520 --> 00:42:53,680 Speaker 1: he and Tom Modrac they were going to bring me 872 00:42:53,719 --> 00:42:57,120 Speaker 1: in for an interview. I called John Snyder to get 873 00:42:57,120 --> 00:43:00,400 Speaker 1: background on how to prepare for an interview, and he 874 00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:03,239 Speaker 1: had told me, hold up, I may have an opportunity 875 00:43:03,239 --> 00:43:06,479 Speaker 1: in Seattle. If I get the gig in Seattle, I'll 876 00:43:06,480 --> 00:43:09,239 Speaker 1: bring you into interview. He gets the gig, I go 877 00:43:09,320 --> 00:43:12,440 Speaker 1: and I interview. Um. He offers me the job and 878 00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:16,840 Speaker 1: I am there working uh in Seattle, UH for Ted Thompson, 879 00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:21,000 Speaker 1: John Snyder, Scott mccluen is in the room. Um now. 880 00:43:21,160 --> 00:43:23,800 Speaker 1: And and so that's how it started. And I think 881 00:43:24,160 --> 00:43:28,759 Speaker 1: my interests in personnel UM just kind of arose from 882 00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:32,960 Speaker 1: always being fascinated with how teams are built, how championship 883 00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:35,920 Speaker 1: teams are built, and looking at talented players and how 884 00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:38,640 Speaker 1: do you put the pieces of the puzzle together, and 885 00:43:38,680 --> 00:43:40,960 Speaker 1: so I just always had an interest. And then when 886 00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:44,319 Speaker 1: it comes to really learning how to scout, I think 887 00:43:44,360 --> 00:43:48,120 Speaker 1: it's finding mentors. Um. I never had the opportunity to 888 00:43:48,120 --> 00:43:53,240 Speaker 1: work in Baltimore like you did. However, Art Perkins, uh 889 00:43:53,400 --> 00:43:59,400 Speaker 1: Shack Harris uh, Ozzy Newsome, they were always really really 890 00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:02,960 Speaker 1: open with their time in terms of giving me advice 891 00:44:03,040 --> 00:44:05,560 Speaker 1: and how things matched up. And so one of the 892 00:44:05,640 --> 00:44:08,320 Speaker 1: joys of going to the Common for me was sitting 893 00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:11,360 Speaker 1: high up um and we called it the barbershop. It 894 00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:14,359 Speaker 1: was those guys and Charles Bailey and a bunch of 895 00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:18,200 Speaker 1: old Scouts and they're just talking and I'm just listening 896 00:44:18,200 --> 00:44:21,640 Speaker 1: and soaking it up. And so if you can find 897 00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:24,200 Speaker 1: a handful of guys that are willing to kind of share, 898 00:44:24,239 --> 00:44:26,400 Speaker 1: because I think this is a business where you do share. 899 00:44:26,480 --> 00:44:28,719 Speaker 1: You share what you learn, you share what you know. 900 00:44:28,840 --> 00:44:32,600 Speaker 1: We share stories on the podcast, but those stories really 901 00:44:32,680 --> 00:44:35,279 Speaker 1: resonate and they have a tendency to help you when 902 00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:39,120 Speaker 1: you're making these hard decisions. And so I would courage 903 00:44:39,160 --> 00:44:43,640 Speaker 1: anybody get an internship, do whatever it takes, no doubt. Um. 904 00:44:43,680 --> 00:44:46,719 Speaker 1: You know Buck, as we as we wrap up today, Um, 905 00:44:46,800 --> 00:44:50,440 Speaker 1: you've talked about finding mentors and uh, really kind of 906 00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:55,040 Speaker 1: a sad story today. But you know, uh, coach Ron Marsenac, 907 00:44:55,160 --> 00:44:58,000 Speaker 1: we called him coach Ron with the Baltimore Ravens was 908 00:44:58,040 --> 00:45:00,880 Speaker 1: the old veteran scout, had been in the NFL for gosh, 909 00:45:00,920 --> 00:45:04,680 Speaker 1: probably forty years, was with Gil Brandt with the Dallas Cowboys, 910 00:45:05,360 --> 00:45:07,320 Speaker 1: was instrumental and kind of building a lot of those 911 00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:10,239 Speaker 1: championship teams, and then was with the Baltimore Ravens for 912 00:45:10,360 --> 00:45:13,080 Speaker 1: a long time. And if you've heard if you listen 913 00:45:13,120 --> 00:45:14,640 Speaker 1: to the podcast for a long time, you'll hear me 914 00:45:14,680 --> 00:45:16,719 Speaker 1: talk about, well, an old scout told me this, or 915 00:45:16,760 --> 00:45:20,280 Speaker 1: an old scout told me that these little little lessons, Um, 916 00:45:20,320 --> 00:45:22,560 Speaker 1: you know, little things like it's in a draft room. 917 00:45:22,560 --> 00:45:24,320 Speaker 1: You're almost better to be strong and wrong than to 918 00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:26,719 Speaker 1: be weak and right. You know, you gotta have conviction 919 00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:29,480 Speaker 1: in your opinions and be strong about it. I've told 920 00:45:29,520 --> 00:45:32,760 Speaker 1: stories about coach Ron where, uh, you know, when Philip 921 00:45:32,840 --> 00:45:34,799 Speaker 1: Rivers was coming out and I didn't have to value, 922 00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:36,520 Speaker 1: but we had a bunch of low grades in the room. 923 00:45:36,760 --> 00:45:38,719 Speaker 1: Coach Ron said, this guy reminds me a lot of 924 00:45:38,719 --> 00:45:42,400 Speaker 1: of Johnny Unitas. Um. You know, coach Ron, there's an 925 00:45:42,440 --> 00:45:45,680 Speaker 1: article you can find where Gil Brandt talks about how 926 00:45:45,719 --> 00:45:47,920 Speaker 1: they had a scout literally stand on the table for 927 00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:51,200 Speaker 1: Jerry Rice when he came out. That was coach Ron Marsenac. Well, 928 00:45:51,560 --> 00:45:54,080 Speaker 1: UM just found out this morning that coach Ron has 929 00:45:54,080 --> 00:45:57,560 Speaker 1: passed away. And I've got um a bunch of texts. Men, 930 00:45:57,560 --> 00:46:00,920 Speaker 1: it's just why we're recording this podcast. I've got um, 931 00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:04,400 Speaker 1: you know, Phil Savage, Eric to Costa, you know, t 932 00:46:04,520 --> 00:46:09,600 Speaker 1: J McCreight, who I've mentioned, Um, Joe Ortiz, Um, Jeremiah Washburn. 933 00:46:09,680 --> 00:46:11,879 Speaker 1: All these guys who are around the league have done 934 00:46:11,920 --> 00:46:15,160 Speaker 1: some really cool things and um, coach Ron was kind 935 00:46:15,160 --> 00:46:17,880 Speaker 1: of a mentor to all of us. So anyways that 936 00:46:18,200 --> 00:46:21,920 Speaker 1: he had a full life, Um, and he he accomplished 937 00:46:21,920 --> 00:46:24,799 Speaker 1: some amazing things on the on the scouting front, but 938 00:46:24,840 --> 00:46:28,520 Speaker 1: also was an unbelievable husband and and father and somebody that, 939 00:46:28,760 --> 00:46:32,279 Speaker 1: uh that I just really really had a fond fondness for. 940 00:46:32,560 --> 00:46:34,560 Speaker 1: So uh, there's a lot of people around the NFL. 941 00:46:34,600 --> 00:46:35,920 Speaker 1: There's a lot going on in the world right now, 942 00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:38,200 Speaker 1: but a lot of us are missing coach On right now, 943 00:46:38,280 --> 00:46:42,000 Speaker 1: that's for sure. Yeah. Well that's um, you know, sorry 944 00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:44,800 Speaker 1: for the loss, Sorry for losing a guy. Who is 945 00:46:44,840 --> 00:46:49,880 Speaker 1: really a legend in scouting circles. I've expressed you my 946 00:46:49,920 --> 00:46:52,040 Speaker 1: affinity for what you guys were able to do in 947 00:46:52,080 --> 00:46:55,840 Speaker 1: Baltimore at the consistency, uh, that I saw come from that, 948 00:46:56,000 --> 00:46:57,719 Speaker 1: and so I know Ron was a big part of that. 949 00:46:57,840 --> 00:47:01,000 Speaker 1: I've heard you share those stories, and so I think 950 00:47:01,040 --> 00:47:05,520 Speaker 1: it is um Uh, It's sad that we lose somebody, 951 00:47:05,560 --> 00:47:09,040 Speaker 1: But the good thing is I know that his legacy 952 00:47:09,080 --> 00:47:12,320 Speaker 1: will live on through you and through the your peers 953 00:47:12,600 --> 00:47:14,880 Speaker 1: that were with the Ravens at the time, because we 954 00:47:14,920 --> 00:47:17,359 Speaker 1: always will be able to reflect and share those little 955 00:47:17,440 --> 00:47:19,680 Speaker 1: nuggets that he was able to share with you. We'll 956 00:47:19,680 --> 00:47:21,719 Speaker 1: be able to share those on this show, and they 957 00:47:21,719 --> 00:47:24,240 Speaker 1: will be able to share those and scouting circles going forward. 958 00:47:24,960 --> 00:47:26,800 Speaker 1: Me and my wife were talking about him just a 959 00:47:26,840 --> 00:47:30,080 Speaker 1: little while ago, and Uh, I said, do you remember 960 00:47:30,080 --> 00:47:32,919 Speaker 1: coach Ron? Remember Ron Marsenac with Racio? Oh? Yeah, I said, 961 00:47:32,920 --> 00:47:35,000 Speaker 1: he used to. Oh, we we go to scouting dinners 962 00:47:35,320 --> 00:47:37,839 Speaker 1: and my wife, I don't drink. He could not figure out, 963 00:47:37,960 --> 00:47:39,960 Speaker 1: I don't, I don't, Why don't you drink? What are 964 00:47:39,960 --> 00:47:41,680 Speaker 1: you kidding? You don't drink? Like he could not He 965 00:47:41,680 --> 00:47:43,680 Speaker 1: couldn't get over the fact that that we did we 966 00:47:43,800 --> 00:47:46,719 Speaker 1: did not drink uh so we alway had. We had 967 00:47:46,719 --> 00:47:49,080 Speaker 1: a good laugh about that. But anyways, coach Ron was 968 00:47:49,200 --> 00:47:52,000 Speaker 1: a special guy. We're gonna miss him. Um. But anyways, 969 00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:54,560 Speaker 1: I hope you guys have enjoyed the show today. We 970 00:47:54,640 --> 00:47:57,480 Speaker 1: covered a lot of ground again. If you have any questions, 971 00:47:57,560 --> 00:48:00,360 Speaker 1: hit us up Apple Podcast, drop us a question in 972 00:48:00,400 --> 00:48:03,120 Speaker 1: the review section. There. Uh find Move the Sticks on 973 00:48:03,160 --> 00:48:06,840 Speaker 1: there all of our video content YouTube dot dot com 974 00:48:06,840 --> 00:48:10,640 Speaker 1: slash NFL podcast. You can also find us um on 975 00:48:11,239 --> 00:48:15,000 Speaker 1: NFL dot com slash MTS video as well. That's gonna 976 00:48:15,040 --> 00:48:16,560 Speaker 1: do it for us today. Thank you guys so much 977 00:48:16,560 --> 00:48:18,759 Speaker 1: for listening. Be safe out there. We'll catch you next time. 978 00:48:18,840 --> 00:48:19,920 Speaker 1: Right here, I'll move the sticks