1 00:00:04,240 --> 00:00:07,040 Speaker 1: Buzz Night, the host of the Taking a Walk podcast, 2 00:00:07,320 --> 00:00:10,760 Speaker 1: And welcome to another edition of This Week in Music 3 00:00:10,880 --> 00:00:14,240 Speaker 1: History for the week of January twentieth, and we'll go 4 00:00:14,280 --> 00:00:19,160 Speaker 1: to the Music History Desk to Harry Jacobs, my pal 5 00:00:19,320 --> 00:00:22,560 Speaker 1: a long time from my radio days. He's a former 6 00:00:22,680 --> 00:00:26,000 Speaker 1: radio programmer, radio host, and musicologist. 7 00:00:26,040 --> 00:00:29,280 Speaker 2: Hello, Harry at the Music History Desk us. 8 00:00:29,320 --> 00:00:30,760 Speaker 3: I just want to let you know that I'm using 9 00:00:30,800 --> 00:00:34,560 Speaker 3: this entire experience to get my certification as a musicologist. 10 00:00:35,080 --> 00:00:37,000 Speaker 4: How does it feel to be used in that way? 11 00:00:37,159 --> 00:00:38,120 Speaker 4: This is my thesis. 12 00:00:38,520 --> 00:00:42,040 Speaker 2: I like that. I like it, doctor Jacobs. Yeah, there 13 00:00:42,080 --> 00:00:42,400 Speaker 2: you go. 14 00:00:42,760 --> 00:00:45,360 Speaker 1: All right, So let's take a look at the week. 15 00:00:45,479 --> 00:00:48,280 Speaker 1: It sounds like it might be a fairly interesting week. 16 00:00:48,360 --> 00:00:50,879 Speaker 1: They all are, but this one in particular. 17 00:00:50,840 --> 00:00:51,520 Speaker 4: This is a good one. 18 00:00:51,520 --> 00:00:54,000 Speaker 3: This is you know, we started at the end of 19 00:00:54,000 --> 00:00:56,360 Speaker 3: the year, which is typically kind of slow. Now we're 20 00:00:56,400 --> 00:00:59,120 Speaker 3: starting to get into where things happened in history. This 21 00:00:59,160 --> 00:01:02,640 Speaker 3: is one of my favorites stories in rock. January twentieth, 22 00:01:02,760 --> 00:01:06,320 Speaker 3: nineteen eighty two. That was the day that Ozzy Osbourne 23 00:01:06,959 --> 00:01:08,480 Speaker 3: bit the head off the bat. 24 00:01:09,840 --> 00:01:12,440 Speaker 4: Live bat in concert. And you remember where that was? 25 00:01:13,440 --> 00:01:15,280 Speaker 2: I did not remember where it was. 26 00:01:15,720 --> 00:01:16,800 Speaker 4: Des Moines, Iowa. 27 00:01:16,959 --> 00:01:21,440 Speaker 1: Of all places, I'm sure Des Moines was never the 28 00:01:21,480 --> 00:01:22,399 Speaker 1: same after that. 29 00:01:22,880 --> 00:01:26,160 Speaker 3: After the incident had to go, you know, undergo a 30 00:01:26,160 --> 00:01:28,959 Speaker 3: whole bunch of ravy shots and all that this. You know, 31 00:01:28,959 --> 00:01:31,920 Speaker 3: it's funny. I remember where I was when I you know, 32 00:01:31,920 --> 00:01:33,640 Speaker 3: when I heard this story. I you know, I grew 33 00:01:33,720 --> 00:01:37,120 Speaker 3: up in Worcester. We got information in nineteen eighty two 34 00:01:37,160 --> 00:01:38,240 Speaker 3: from from you. 35 00:01:38,200 --> 00:01:39,160 Speaker 4: Know, a couple of places. 36 00:01:39,200 --> 00:01:42,080 Speaker 3: We got them from, you know, the Worcester Telegram, We 37 00:01:42,120 --> 00:01:44,160 Speaker 3: got them from waaf Or, We got them. 38 00:01:44,000 --> 00:01:45,920 Speaker 4: From our pals on a landline. Right. 39 00:01:46,000 --> 00:01:47,840 Speaker 3: This is you know, think about if that were to 40 00:01:47,920 --> 00:01:50,320 Speaker 3: happen now, the viral video that would be out there 41 00:01:50,320 --> 00:01:52,440 Speaker 3: of Ozzie biting the head off a bat. 42 00:01:53,320 --> 00:01:54,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, I would agree. 43 00:01:54,720 --> 00:01:58,480 Speaker 1: I think there was a period of time I was 44 00:01:58,560 --> 00:02:03,360 Speaker 1: going regularly to a thing that Lee Abrams and company 45 00:02:03,440 --> 00:02:08,440 Speaker 1: put on, which was called the Superstars Convention, and we 46 00:02:08,440 --> 00:02:13,000 Speaker 1: were consulted by Lee and his consultants John Sinton who 47 00:02:13,080 --> 00:02:17,960 Speaker 1: you know, and Dwight Douglas and others were part of that. 48 00:02:18,080 --> 00:02:21,840 Speaker 1: Dave Logan was ultimately part of that whole group as well. 49 00:02:22,520 --> 00:02:26,280 Speaker 2: And I seem to remember Ozzy had. 50 00:02:26,120 --> 00:02:34,400 Speaker 1: Come that year to the Superstars event, and then afterwards 51 00:02:34,440 --> 00:02:37,760 Speaker 1: I think this story broke. So it was particularly interesting 52 00:02:37,760 --> 00:02:42,520 Speaker 1: because we had encountered the OZ at the event and 53 00:02:42,560 --> 00:02:46,480 Speaker 1: then suddenly this story happens. Plus there was a pretty 54 00:02:46,520 --> 00:02:51,800 Speaker 1: notorious record label head who we dealt with, who you 55 00:02:51,880 --> 00:02:55,760 Speaker 1: might remember, a gentleman by the name of Harvey Leeds 56 00:02:56,200 --> 00:03:00,640 Speaker 1: who represented Ozzie's label. So I think we got extra 57 00:03:00,760 --> 00:03:03,000 Speaker 1: color on the story from Harvey as well. 58 00:03:03,760 --> 00:03:07,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, this cemented Ozzie's reputation as a wild figure. 59 00:03:07,680 --> 00:03:07,880 Speaker 4: Ed. 60 00:03:08,160 --> 00:03:11,400 Speaker 3: Harvey's had already been cemented at that point, and it 61 00:03:11,520 --> 00:03:12,120 Speaker 3: still is. 62 00:03:12,440 --> 00:03:14,240 Speaker 2: It still is true of Harvey. 63 00:03:14,280 --> 00:03:19,920 Speaker 3: Right, nineteen seventy two, January twenty fourth, This is big day. 64 00:03:20,120 --> 00:03:23,160 Speaker 3: This is when Pink Floyd started recording Dark Side of 65 00:03:23,160 --> 00:03:23,520 Speaker 3: the Moon. 66 00:03:24,320 --> 00:03:26,040 Speaker 4: This is top I. 67 00:03:25,960 --> 00:03:29,120 Speaker 3: Mean, certainly on my list, maybe number one or number 68 00:03:29,120 --> 00:03:30,440 Speaker 3: two of all time. 69 00:03:31,520 --> 00:03:35,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, just thinking about, like, can you imagine if you know, 70 00:03:36,080 --> 00:03:38,920 Speaker 1: we had a behind the scenes that would have taken us, 71 00:03:39,400 --> 00:03:43,120 Speaker 1: you know, deeper inside that sort of creative process, the 72 00:03:43,160 --> 00:03:47,640 Speaker 1: whole Alan Parson's aspect of things as the engineer, right, 73 00:03:47,720 --> 00:03:48,560 Speaker 1: Alan Parsons. 74 00:03:48,720 --> 00:03:51,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, I'm gonna mention I got an Alan Parsons 75 00:03:51,960 --> 00:03:56,280 Speaker 3: connection to this as well. But you mentioned the you know, 76 00:03:56,320 --> 00:03:58,760 Speaker 3: the behind the scenes. There's some footage out there I 77 00:03:58,800 --> 00:04:01,080 Speaker 3: have seen and now I'm going to go down the 78 00:04:01,160 --> 00:04:03,640 Speaker 3: rabbit hole to find the making stuff. But there is 79 00:04:04,080 --> 00:04:06,760 Speaker 3: some stuff that's out there on the making of it 80 00:04:06,920 --> 00:04:10,240 Speaker 3: and one of the other things they're doing, and all 81 00:04:10,520 --> 00:04:13,280 Speaker 3: across all boards with music or they're putting out these 82 00:04:13,360 --> 00:04:16,080 Speaker 3: videos series on how certain things were made. So they're 83 00:04:16,120 --> 00:04:18,560 Speaker 3: going back into the studio so you actually can get 84 00:04:18,560 --> 00:04:20,760 Speaker 3: a sense of how they made it. But I've seen 85 00:04:20,839 --> 00:04:22,640 Speaker 3: some stuff on Dark Side of the Moon and that's 86 00:04:22,760 --> 00:04:25,719 Speaker 3: fascinating to me to watch that whole process. 87 00:04:25,760 --> 00:04:28,080 Speaker 4: Those guys were just just brilliant. 88 00:04:28,920 --> 00:04:31,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, and you think about where it is now, you know, 89 00:04:31,920 --> 00:04:34,720 Speaker 1: the relationship aspect of things where it's never going to 90 00:04:34,800 --> 00:04:38,320 Speaker 1: be the together at all, and you just think about 91 00:04:38,680 --> 00:04:42,120 Speaker 1: then and the magic that they were ultimately able to create. 92 00:04:42,200 --> 00:04:44,200 Speaker 2: It's pretty spectacular thinking about that. 93 00:04:44,920 --> 00:04:46,400 Speaker 4: There is this. 94 00:04:47,720 --> 00:04:53,240 Speaker 3: Kind of you know, wives tale or folklore about Dark 95 00:04:53,240 --> 00:04:54,799 Speaker 3: Side of the Moon and Wizard of Oz. 96 00:04:54,920 --> 00:04:58,320 Speaker 4: Did you ever ever do that, you ever watch it 97 00:04:58,320 --> 00:04:59,680 Speaker 4: see it together? Yeah? 98 00:04:59,720 --> 00:05:03,680 Speaker 1: Well we were part of this, uh where you remember 99 00:05:03,720 --> 00:05:06,640 Speaker 1: George Taylor Morris, who. 100 00:05:08,120 --> 00:05:11,480 Speaker 3: Would be a great guest for for what we're doing here. 101 00:05:11,520 --> 00:05:15,040 Speaker 2: If he were still with us, you're partner in this, Yeah, 102 00:05:15,080 --> 00:05:15,960 Speaker 2: you got that right. 103 00:05:16,240 --> 00:05:18,760 Speaker 1: Our dear late friend, George Taylor Morris, when he was 104 00:05:19,320 --> 00:05:24,039 Speaker 1: on w z l X, he somehow encountered this story. 105 00:05:24,160 --> 00:05:28,120 Speaker 1: I don't know who told him about it, but some 106 00:05:28,200 --> 00:05:31,120 Speaker 1: would say he was the guy that really fueled that thing, 107 00:05:31,640 --> 00:05:36,360 Speaker 1: you know, from a publicity aspect of things, uh, nationally, 108 00:05:36,440 --> 00:05:42,240 Speaker 1: because then ultimately after after George leaned into it, and 109 00:05:42,279 --> 00:05:46,320 Speaker 1: then ultimately ZLX leaned into it. You saw it start 110 00:05:46,320 --> 00:05:49,920 Speaker 1: popping up in New York at my old station, w 111 00:05:50,160 --> 00:05:53,559 Speaker 1: n w f M. I think Dave Herman latched onto 112 00:05:53,600 --> 00:05:56,960 Speaker 1: the story, and then it sort of sprouted its own, 113 00:05:57,320 --> 00:06:01,559 Speaker 1: uh you know, wings across the country. You know, of course, 114 00:06:01,640 --> 00:06:05,000 Speaker 1: because radio people like to steal a good bit if 115 00:06:05,040 --> 00:06:07,719 Speaker 1: they can, so they can turn it into their own thing. 116 00:06:08,600 --> 00:06:11,200 Speaker 3: This was again of the days really before the Internet 117 00:06:11,240 --> 00:06:14,400 Speaker 3: where you know, you weren't if George Taylor Morris were 118 00:06:14,400 --> 00:06:17,680 Speaker 3: doing it in Boston and someone else where, you know, 119 00:06:18,120 --> 00:06:20,760 Speaker 3: Bob Rivers was doing it at you know, kis W 120 00:06:21,000 --> 00:06:21,600 Speaker 3: in Seattle. 121 00:06:22,279 --> 00:06:25,919 Speaker 4: The world didn't know that, that's right. General public didn't 122 00:06:25,960 --> 00:06:26,640 Speaker 4: know that. 123 00:06:27,480 --> 00:06:31,320 Speaker 2: What it has been refuted by the way. I'd like this. 124 00:06:31,600 --> 00:06:35,960 Speaker 1: I think I just recently saw that David Gilmour spoke 125 00:06:36,000 --> 00:06:38,839 Speaker 1: about it and said that there was no association that 126 00:06:38,880 --> 00:06:42,400 Speaker 1: he believed with the two you know products. 127 00:06:42,880 --> 00:06:45,240 Speaker 3: I asked Alan Parsons about it, and I'll tell you 128 00:06:45,279 --> 00:06:49,640 Speaker 3: when this was. This was either on July fourth, nineteen 129 00:06:49,720 --> 00:06:52,479 Speaker 3: ninety seven or July fourth, nineteen ninety eight, because I 130 00:06:52,480 --> 00:06:55,359 Speaker 3: had a July fourth interview with Alan Parsons and I 131 00:06:55,400 --> 00:06:58,080 Speaker 3: was filling in on the afternoon show on WCMF in 132 00:06:58,160 --> 00:07:03,039 Speaker 3: Rochester and I asked him about it, and he had 133 00:07:03,200 --> 00:07:05,880 Speaker 3: no idea about it. Of course, he was, you know, 134 00:07:05,920 --> 00:07:08,120 Speaker 3: in the United Kingdom. He was in, you know, somewhere 135 00:07:08,160 --> 00:07:10,679 Speaker 3: maybe outside of London. When we talked. There was again 136 00:07:10,720 --> 00:07:14,080 Speaker 3: no YouTube at that point, but he played dumb on 137 00:07:14,080 --> 00:07:14,400 Speaker 3: it too. 138 00:07:14,440 --> 00:07:16,200 Speaker 4: But you look now you look at. 139 00:07:15,960 --> 00:07:18,600 Speaker 3: YouTube, some of the stuff where it sinks up, it 140 00:07:18,640 --> 00:07:20,160 Speaker 3: looks like it's the soundtrack. 141 00:07:20,440 --> 00:07:24,000 Speaker 4: I mean, it really is the score. So crazy thing. 142 00:07:24,080 --> 00:07:28,920 Speaker 3: But nineteen seventy two January twenty fourth, Floyd started recording 143 00:07:28,960 --> 00:07:33,200 Speaker 3: that and that album was on the charts for seven 144 00:07:33,320 --> 00:07:38,440 Speaker 3: hundred and forty one weeks, which is unheard. 145 00:07:38,080 --> 00:07:41,960 Speaker 1: Of, amazing I tell you, and I loved when I 146 00:07:41,960 --> 00:07:44,760 Speaker 1: think we talked about this when Pink Floyd showed up 147 00:07:44,800 --> 00:07:48,960 Speaker 1: and played in Columbus at Ohio Stadium for one of 148 00:07:49,000 --> 00:07:53,280 Speaker 1: the first big, big stadium shows. You know that they 149 00:07:53,320 --> 00:07:57,760 Speaker 1: would ultimately have there, you know, with acts like Pink Floyd. 150 00:07:58,480 --> 00:08:05,239 Speaker 1: And one of my favorite marketing ploys that we did 151 00:08:05,440 --> 00:08:08,200 Speaker 1: at QFM ninety six, the radio station that I was 152 00:08:08,320 --> 00:08:13,040 Speaker 1: working at in programming, we had a billboard and the 153 00:08:13,080 --> 00:08:16,640 Speaker 1: billboard said QFM ninety six welcomes, and then we had 154 00:08:16,720 --> 00:08:19,440 Speaker 1: the graphics say pink and then we had a picture 155 00:08:19,480 --> 00:08:23,400 Speaker 1: of Floyd the barber from the Andy Griffith Shows. 156 00:08:23,520 --> 00:08:25,200 Speaker 4: Very funny, very funny. 157 00:08:25,400 --> 00:08:29,080 Speaker 1: That was in the days when radio advertised on billboards 158 00:08:29,200 --> 00:08:31,200 Speaker 1: or radio advertised just in general. 159 00:08:31,680 --> 00:08:36,160 Speaker 3: Radio spent money. There we go, But I digress. This 160 00:08:36,240 --> 00:08:37,800 Speaker 3: is the day. By the way, we talked about this 161 00:08:38,720 --> 00:08:42,040 Speaker 3: last week. Paul McCartney had been arrested in Tokyo. January 162 00:08:42,120 --> 00:08:44,160 Speaker 3: twenty fifth, nineteen eighty was the day that he got 163 00:08:44,200 --> 00:08:50,000 Speaker 3: out of jail. He spent nine days behind bars for weed, 164 00:08:50,720 --> 00:08:52,800 Speaker 3: and when he got out of jail and he was 165 00:08:52,880 --> 00:08:56,880 Speaker 3: asked about it, he said he brought the weed with 166 00:08:57,000 --> 00:09:02,640 Speaker 3: him because it was too good to leave bhy It's funny. 167 00:09:02,840 --> 00:09:04,240 Speaker 4: Nine days in jail McCartney. 168 00:09:05,200 --> 00:09:07,800 Speaker 2: I think back at my old station I ninety five too. 169 00:09:07,880 --> 00:09:10,439 Speaker 1: I think we did some kind of little sign a 170 00:09:10,480 --> 00:09:15,000 Speaker 1: petitions for us to give to the embassy in Japan 171 00:09:15,040 --> 00:09:16,359 Speaker 1: to release Paul McCartney. 172 00:09:16,360 --> 00:09:19,600 Speaker 2: We did some kind of little fan audience thing. 173 00:09:20,160 --> 00:09:20,800 Speaker 4: That's funny. 174 00:09:21,559 --> 00:09:25,920 Speaker 3: January twenty sixth, nineteen seventy seventh, Fleetwood Mac released Rumors. 175 00:09:26,760 --> 00:09:28,480 Speaker 4: This was a band, you think about it, kind. 176 00:09:28,320 --> 00:09:30,920 Speaker 3: Of the you know, now we can say hot rock, 177 00:09:31,000 --> 00:09:34,800 Speaker 3: but you know, soft rock, you know kind of band. 178 00:09:35,080 --> 00:09:38,440 Speaker 3: But they were caught up in drug use and drama 179 00:09:38,600 --> 00:09:43,760 Speaker 3: and breakups, infidelity. I mean for a group of calm, 180 00:09:43,920 --> 00:09:47,440 Speaker 3: adult contemporary kind of artists, there was a lot of drama. 181 00:09:47,160 --> 00:09:47,760 Speaker 4: In that band. 182 00:09:48,240 --> 00:09:49,960 Speaker 2: Oh it was a wreck at what it was. 183 00:09:50,559 --> 00:09:53,160 Speaker 1: But what's so amazing is that they would put out that, 184 00:09:53,360 --> 00:09:56,679 Speaker 1: you know, monumental release in the midst of being a wreck. 185 00:09:57,600 --> 00:09:59,200 Speaker 4: Do you think think about the cover? 186 00:10:00,040 --> 00:10:03,640 Speaker 3: How funny was that for those that are listening, think 187 00:10:03,640 --> 00:10:06,400 Speaker 3: about this, or jump on the Google and look at 188 00:10:06,400 --> 00:10:09,719 Speaker 3: the cover of Rumors where Mitt Fleetwood's leg is up 189 00:10:09,760 --> 00:10:14,600 Speaker 3: and he's wearing a shirt that has two black, you know, 190 00:10:15,240 --> 00:10:17,680 Speaker 3: orbs hanging between his legs. 191 00:10:17,840 --> 00:10:20,480 Speaker 4: Was that like a little you know, this is how 192 00:10:20,520 --> 00:10:21,319 Speaker 4: far we could push it? 193 00:10:21,679 --> 00:10:24,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think so. And we were amused by it 194 00:10:24,559 --> 00:10:24,960 Speaker 2: for sure. 195 00:10:25,559 --> 00:10:28,560 Speaker 4: Cornerstone of rock and roll history as well. 196 00:10:28,800 --> 00:10:30,559 Speaker 2: You know, it's right, no doubt. 197 00:10:30,920 --> 00:10:33,960 Speaker 3: Nineteen eighty four. This always amused me, and the album 198 00:10:34,080 --> 00:10:38,160 Speaker 3: got rock play. Thriller ended up in the in the 199 00:10:38,200 --> 00:10:44,280 Speaker 3: top spot Billboard two hundred best selling album of all time. 200 00:10:45,120 --> 00:10:48,360 Speaker 3: Was originally released in nineteen eighty two. Two years later 201 00:10:49,000 --> 00:10:51,000 Speaker 3: they got to the to the top of the charts again. 202 00:10:51,040 --> 00:10:53,120 Speaker 3: You play you mentioned you you played beat it. 203 00:10:53,720 --> 00:10:58,880 Speaker 2: That's right deal for rock proudly. We played it proudly. 204 00:10:59,240 --> 00:11:02,600 Speaker 1: Now, actually I think we were not proud, and we 205 00:11:02,640 --> 00:11:05,760 Speaker 1: may at times have played it and not backselled it 206 00:11:06,480 --> 00:11:08,120 Speaker 1: like DJs would. 207 00:11:08,440 --> 00:11:11,560 Speaker 2: So we were not. We were trying to skate under 208 00:11:11,559 --> 00:11:13,880 Speaker 2: the radar in our own weird way about it, which 209 00:11:14,200 --> 00:11:15,720 Speaker 2: in retrospect was kind of dumb. 210 00:11:16,320 --> 00:11:17,960 Speaker 3: You know, you had to in a sense, you had 211 00:11:18,000 --> 00:11:20,760 Speaker 3: to play it. It had that great you know, guitar solo 212 00:11:20,840 --> 00:11:24,920 Speaker 3: it was. It was Eddie van Halen on that. I mean, 213 00:11:25,200 --> 00:11:27,640 Speaker 3: Steve Lucather and Eddie van Halen both played on that 214 00:11:28,600 --> 00:11:30,920 Speaker 3: on that album, and I think and I think on 215 00:11:30,960 --> 00:11:31,679 Speaker 3: that track. 216 00:11:31,440 --> 00:11:35,800 Speaker 2: So oh definitely, No, it's the whole album actually is great. 217 00:11:35,800 --> 00:11:38,160 Speaker 1: We couldn't play anything other than that, but it was 218 00:11:38,240 --> 00:11:41,880 Speaker 1: pretty interesting for rock radio to co opt a little 219 00:11:41,880 --> 00:11:42,880 Speaker 1: bit of MJ. 220 00:11:44,720 --> 00:11:47,920 Speaker 3: And speaking of Eddie van Halen January twenty sixth, nineteen 221 00:11:48,040 --> 00:11:51,920 Speaker 3: fifty five, Eddie's birthday rest in Pete. 222 00:11:51,960 --> 00:11:54,320 Speaker 2: May he rest in peace, the great Eddie. 223 00:11:54,880 --> 00:11:55,120 Speaker 4: Yeah. 224 00:11:55,240 --> 00:12:01,360 Speaker 3: Crazy, And I'll close with this a little history. January 225 00:12:01,400 --> 00:12:05,600 Speaker 3: twenty fifth, nineteen forty seven, Al Capone died in Palm Island, Florida. 226 00:12:05,920 --> 00:12:09,040 Speaker 3: He died from complications related to syphilis. 227 00:12:10,120 --> 00:12:11,200 Speaker 2: That's the heck of a way to go. 228 00:12:11,720 --> 00:12:16,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, ouch, And there's this week in history of rock 229 00:12:16,320 --> 00:12:17,800 Speaker 3: and gangster deaths. 230 00:12:18,600 --> 00:12:21,000 Speaker 2: Harry, thanks for giving it to us. It was quite 231 00:12:21,000 --> 00:12:24,360 Speaker 2: a wild week. And that's another one for this week 232 00:12:24,360 --> 00:12:25,240 Speaker 2: in music history. 233 00:12:25,559 --> 00:12:28,480 Speaker 1: I'm taking a walk podcast to check us out on 234 00:12:29,320 --> 00:12:34,600 Speaker 1: Apple Podcasts, Spotify, iHeart, or wherever you get your podcasts.