1 00:00:07,680 --> 00:00:08,160 Speaker 1: Oh As. 2 00:00:16,560 --> 00:00:18,959 Speaker 2: I was so frantic that morning and scared death, not 3 00:00:19,079 --> 00:00:24,439 Speaker 2: knowing what had happened. And when I made then I'm 4 00:00:24,480 --> 00:00:27,320 Speaker 2: a one call, I couldn't even get out the words. 5 00:00:28,880 --> 00:00:31,240 Speaker 2: And from then on I don't remember a thing. It 6 00:00:31,320 --> 00:00:36,080 Speaker 2: was like my brain wiped that whole memory. That was 7 00:00:36,120 --> 00:00:38,879 Speaker 2: the worst day of my life, and I know it 8 00:00:38,920 --> 00:00:39,519 Speaker 2: always will be. 9 00:00:42,520 --> 00:00:46,080 Speaker 1: The murders of four college students in Moscow, Idaho, shocked 10 00:00:46,080 --> 00:00:49,000 Speaker 1: the community and set off a desperate man hunt for 11 00:00:49,040 --> 00:00:53,800 Speaker 1: the killer. It was a brutal crime, and investigators found 12 00:00:53,840 --> 00:00:58,520 Speaker 1: surprisingly little evidence at the scene. Authorities didn't know who 13 00:00:58,520 --> 00:01:01,240 Speaker 1: they were searching for or why the lives of the 14 00:01:01,240 --> 00:01:04,920 Speaker 1: two surviving roommates had been spared. But there was one 15 00:01:05,040 --> 00:01:08,560 Speaker 1: big clue left behind. Police found a key piece of 16 00:01:08,560 --> 00:01:12,240 Speaker 1: evidence with the killers DNA, but it wasn't leading them 17 00:01:12,280 --> 00:01:16,000 Speaker 1: to a suspect. Meanwhile, it seems like whoever did this 18 00:01:16,200 --> 00:01:30,160 Speaker 1: was trying to stay one step ahead of investigators. This 19 00:01:30,200 --> 00:01:35,039 Speaker 1: is America's crime Lab. I'm Alan Lance Lesser. This is 20 00:01:35,080 --> 00:01:38,200 Speaker 1: Part two of the Idaho student murder case. If you 21 00:01:38,200 --> 00:01:48,600 Speaker 1: missed part one, please go back and listen. I'm here 22 00:01:48,640 --> 00:01:52,320 Speaker 1: with producer Catherine Fanalosa and listening to the words of Bethany, 23 00:01:52,560 --> 00:01:55,560 Speaker 1: one of those surviving roommates, just now you can feel 24 00:01:55,600 --> 00:01:56,920 Speaker 1: the pain, Yeah. 25 00:01:56,920 --> 00:02:01,840 Speaker 3: You really can. And police recently really bodycam footage of 26 00:02:01,920 --> 00:02:06,000 Speaker 3: the first responding officer. I watched it a few days ago, 27 00:02:06,080 --> 00:02:09,280 Speaker 3: and Allen, I'm not even sure how to describe it. 28 00:02:09,280 --> 00:02:13,480 Speaker 3: It's just absolutely heartbreaking, and honestly, it's painful to watch. 29 00:02:14,320 --> 00:02:17,640 Speaker 3: But I think it also helped me understand the complete 30 00:02:17,720 --> 00:02:20,840 Speaker 3: confusion of that day. I mean, it's easy for someone 31 00:02:20,960 --> 00:02:24,000 Speaker 3: to hear about the murders on the news or read 32 00:02:24,040 --> 00:02:28,600 Speaker 3: about them and walk away with completely wrong assumptions. 33 00:02:29,440 --> 00:02:32,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, I can imagine that day. You just feel like, 34 00:02:32,520 --> 00:02:35,760 Speaker 1: is this even real? And they're just college kids. They 35 00:02:35,760 --> 00:02:36,600 Speaker 1: don't know what's going on. 36 00:02:37,560 --> 00:02:41,080 Speaker 3: When the surviving roommates Bethany and Dylan and their friends 37 00:02:41,160 --> 00:02:43,799 Speaker 3: call nine one one, I mean they're calling to say 38 00:02:43,800 --> 00:02:47,440 Speaker 3: that one of their roommates is unresponsive and they're talking 39 00:02:47,520 --> 00:02:54,040 Speaker 3: about Xana, right, And so when the officer is responding 40 00:02:54,080 --> 00:02:57,080 Speaker 3: to this call, that's really what he thinks he's going for. 41 00:02:58,160 --> 00:03:01,280 Speaker 3: You know, maybe like college sudents have partied too much. 42 00:03:01,520 --> 00:03:03,440 Speaker 3: I don't know, maybe someone needs to be taken to 43 00:03:03,480 --> 00:03:05,800 Speaker 3: the hospital to like get their stomach pumped, you know 44 00:03:05,800 --> 00:03:10,440 Speaker 3: what I mean. Yeah, So he's driving there and he's 45 00:03:10,480 --> 00:03:14,920 Speaker 3: listening to country music. He pulls up to the house 46 00:03:16,000 --> 00:03:19,280 Speaker 3: by himself, and he sees the circle of friends standing 47 00:03:19,280 --> 00:03:26,200 Speaker 3: outside in the cold. It's November thirteenth, twenty twenty two. 48 00:03:26,800 --> 00:03:29,200 Speaker 3: There are little patches of snow around. 49 00:03:30,040 --> 00:03:30,400 Speaker 4: Dylan. 50 00:03:30,720 --> 00:03:34,680 Speaker 3: The roommate is standing barefoot. She's got it looks like 51 00:03:34,760 --> 00:03:37,520 Speaker 3: either pajama pants or sweatpants on and a T shirt. 52 00:03:38,400 --> 00:03:42,880 Speaker 3: Some of the friends standing there are in shorts. The 53 00:03:42,880 --> 00:03:45,320 Speaker 3: officer pulls up and he, you know, is like, what's 54 00:03:45,360 --> 00:03:49,160 Speaker 3: going on? Where's the unresponsive person? They say, inside, So 55 00:03:49,200 --> 00:03:54,680 Speaker 3: he goes inside and he climbs to the second floor, 56 00:03:54,720 --> 00:03:57,960 Speaker 3: where the kitchen and living room are and two bedrooms. 57 00:03:58,160 --> 00:04:00,440 Speaker 3: And as he gets to the top of the stars, 58 00:04:01,800 --> 00:04:08,640 Speaker 3: he sees Xanna lying on the floor of her bedroom. 59 00:04:08,680 --> 00:04:13,240 Speaker 3: Ethan's in the bed and it's clear by the amount 60 00:04:13,320 --> 00:04:16,720 Speaker 3: of blood that's around both of them that there's been 61 00:04:16,720 --> 00:04:30,359 Speaker 3: a horrible crime. You can hear the officer, like his 62 00:04:30,480 --> 00:04:38,560 Speaker 3: breathing starts to become kind of choppy. You can almost 63 00:04:38,600 --> 00:04:50,120 Speaker 3: like feel his heartbeat like just thumping. Another officer arrives 64 00:04:50,160 --> 00:04:52,880 Speaker 3: and he's climbing the stairs to the second floor and 65 00:04:54,360 --> 00:04:58,000 Speaker 3: they're speaking to each other almost didn't half sentences, you know. 66 00:04:58,080 --> 00:05:05,760 Speaker 3: The first officers basically like, dude, slow down, we've got something. 67 00:05:06,560 --> 00:05:17,400 Speaker 3: I think two fatalities. Now officers start coming in and 68 00:05:18,560 --> 00:05:22,719 Speaker 3: it's pretty quiet. They go through the home with their 69 00:05:22,720 --> 00:05:27,039 Speaker 3: weapons drawn and they're essentially trying to make sure no 70 00:05:27,080 --> 00:05:31,080 Speaker 3: one else is there. They climb the stairs to the 71 00:05:31,120 --> 00:05:35,080 Speaker 3: third floor, where Maddie and Kayley's rooms are, and the 72 00:05:35,120 --> 00:05:38,719 Speaker 3: first officer who arrived at the scene, as he gets 73 00:05:38,760 --> 00:05:42,800 Speaker 3: to the top of the stairs, he's speechless. I mean, 74 00:05:42,839 --> 00:05:46,320 Speaker 3: it's like you can feel the horror of what he's seeing. 75 00:05:47,480 --> 00:05:51,839 Speaker 3: The first officer goes back outside to interview Dylan, the roommate, 76 00:05:52,040 --> 00:05:55,880 Speaker 3: and she's trying to recount what happened last night. You'll 77 00:05:55,960 --> 00:05:59,640 Speaker 3: remember that Dylan and Bethany are nineteen. They're the youngest 78 00:05:59,760 --> 00:06:03,760 Speaker 3: of this group, and they're self proclaimed scaredy cats, like 79 00:06:03,760 --> 00:06:07,760 Speaker 3: they're known to get freaked out over small things, but 80 00:06:08,000 --> 00:06:13,200 Speaker 3: this time it's real and they're just completely disoriented. And 81 00:06:13,279 --> 00:06:15,960 Speaker 3: Dylan says, you know, I'm not really sure what's real 82 00:06:16,160 --> 00:06:18,200 Speaker 3: and maybe what was a dream. 83 00:06:18,760 --> 00:06:22,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, I can see how she's just terrified, in total shock. 84 00:06:27,400 --> 00:06:30,400 Speaker 3: But this is where we get some key new information 85 00:06:30,480 --> 00:06:33,719 Speaker 3: about what actually happened that night, and it's really some 86 00:06:33,839 --> 00:06:37,280 Speaker 3: of our first clues as to who murdered these four students. 87 00:06:38,120 --> 00:06:40,680 Speaker 3: So Dylan tells the officer she and Bethany were up 88 00:06:40,720 --> 00:06:44,440 Speaker 3: watching Vampire Diaries when Mattie and Kaylee came home from 89 00:06:44,520 --> 00:06:46,760 Speaker 3: the bar. You know, they were at the Corner Club 90 00:06:47,360 --> 00:06:49,640 Speaker 3: and they all hang out. They eat some mac and cheese, 91 00:06:49,760 --> 00:06:53,960 Speaker 3: take some selfies, and then Mattie and Bethany take Kaylee's 92 00:06:53,960 --> 00:06:58,360 Speaker 3: dog Murphy out back to pee before bed. Bethany comes 93 00:06:58,400 --> 00:07:00,800 Speaker 3: back in and she goes down to her room. Her 94 00:07:00,800 --> 00:07:04,400 Speaker 3: bedroom's on the first floor, and then at some point 95 00:07:04,600 --> 00:07:08,479 Speaker 3: Maddie asked Bethany if she brought Murphy in because she 96 00:07:08,560 --> 00:07:14,600 Speaker 3: can't find the dog. Bethany's like, no, I don't have him, 97 00:07:14,880 --> 00:07:18,600 Speaker 3: and she goes to bed. Dylan also goes to bed. 98 00:07:18,720 --> 00:07:22,400 Speaker 3: Her bedroom's on the second floor, and at some point 99 00:07:22,680 --> 00:07:27,560 Speaker 3: both Dylan and Bethany hear a loud noise. But Ashley Jennings, 100 00:07:27,640 --> 00:07:31,240 Speaker 3: who's a senior deputy in the Leyta County Prosecutor's Office, 101 00:07:31,600 --> 00:07:33,360 Speaker 3: says this also wasn't unusual. 102 00:07:33,960 --> 00:07:37,520 Speaker 5: This is a house. The walls are pretty thin. There's 103 00:07:37,600 --> 00:07:42,440 Speaker 5: a lot of noise. There's you know, five six people 104 00:07:42,440 --> 00:07:46,240 Speaker 5: in the house, if not more at any time, arriving 105 00:07:46,600 --> 00:07:49,720 Speaker 5: at different hours. Always a lot of noise, and it's 106 00:07:49,800 --> 00:07:51,800 Speaker 5: a pretty noisy area of town. 107 00:07:52,640 --> 00:07:57,320 Speaker 3: Now, it kind of sounds like maybe Kayleie and Matty 108 00:07:57,320 --> 00:07:59,080 Speaker 3: have gone up to their bedrooms on the third floor 109 00:07:59,080 --> 00:08:02,600 Speaker 3: and they're dancing or they're playing with their dog. Dylan 110 00:08:02,920 --> 00:08:04,280 Speaker 3: falls back asleep. 111 00:08:04,320 --> 00:08:06,760 Speaker 5: But she was woken by something. I don't know that 112 00:08:06,800 --> 00:08:12,640 Speaker 5: she's able to fully articulate what the noise was. She 113 00:08:12,840 --> 00:08:16,600 Speaker 5: hears a voice, but she believes she hears someone say 114 00:08:16,640 --> 00:08:17,320 Speaker 5: someone's here. 115 00:08:17,880 --> 00:08:19,320 Speaker 1: Oh my god. 116 00:08:19,600 --> 00:08:23,200 Speaker 5: She calls out, asking, you know, Kaylee, Mattie, something. 117 00:08:23,320 --> 00:08:25,840 Speaker 3: Doesn't hear anything, and she looks out in the hallway 118 00:08:25,920 --> 00:08:27,120 Speaker 3: and she doesn't see anyone. 119 00:08:27,560 --> 00:08:31,960 Speaker 5: So she immediately goes back behind her bedroom door locks 120 00:08:32,000 --> 00:08:36,280 Speaker 5: it continues to kind of stand there and listen, and 121 00:08:36,360 --> 00:08:39,200 Speaker 5: at some point hears a noise like someone coming down 122 00:08:39,200 --> 00:08:42,000 Speaker 5: the stairway which is right outside her bedroom. 123 00:08:42,679 --> 00:08:47,320 Speaker 3: Now, the roommates they all wear Doc Martins. You know, 124 00:08:47,320 --> 00:08:52,640 Speaker 3: there's like heavy soled shoes. Yeah, and so she's not 125 00:08:52,679 --> 00:08:54,480 Speaker 3: sure who it is, but she thinks it's one of 126 00:08:54,480 --> 00:08:58,160 Speaker 3: her roommates running down the stairs in Doc Martin's. Then 127 00:08:58,240 --> 00:09:01,920 Speaker 3: she hears Murphy Kaylee's dog barking, which is a little 128 00:09:01,920 --> 00:09:04,080 Speaker 3: weird because he's not typically a barker. 129 00:09:04,600 --> 00:09:07,079 Speaker 5: So Dylan, of course thinks this is just like all 130 00:09:07,080 --> 00:09:09,880 Speaker 5: the other times that you know, she's heard something and 131 00:09:10,000 --> 00:09:13,400 Speaker 5: kind of, you know, freaks herself out, and so she's 132 00:09:13,559 --> 00:09:17,280 Speaker 5: just standing there and listening, tries to figure out what's 133 00:09:17,320 --> 00:09:22,240 Speaker 5: going on. At some point, she hears some movement on 134 00:09:22,280 --> 00:09:27,120 Speaker 5: the stairway right outside her door, loud movement. She hears 135 00:09:27,400 --> 00:09:28,880 Speaker 5: some more voices. 136 00:09:29,640 --> 00:09:35,000 Speaker 3: She hears someone crying, and then she hears a man's 137 00:09:35,080 --> 00:09:42,040 Speaker 3: voice that she doesn't recognize say you're going to be okay. 138 00:09:42,679 --> 00:09:49,160 Speaker 3: I'm going to help you. And she thinks maybe the 139 00:09:49,200 --> 00:09:52,680 Speaker 3: crying is coming from the bathroom in the hallway, but 140 00:09:52,760 --> 00:09:56,960 Speaker 3: she's not quite sure. Dylan says the guy's voice, he 141 00:09:57,000 --> 00:09:59,800 Speaker 3: didn't say that in like a nice way, it's more 142 00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:05,120 Speaker 3: and she says a weird tone, spooky. So now she's 143 00:10:05,200 --> 00:10:09,760 Speaker 3: really kind of freaked out. Yeah, and she starts calling 144 00:10:10,000 --> 00:10:14,400 Speaker 3: all of her roommates. She's calling Kayley, she's calling Mattie, Xanna, 145 00:10:15,480 --> 00:10:21,800 Speaker 3: No one's answering. She opens her door again. She sees 146 00:10:22,040 --> 00:10:25,360 Speaker 3: a man dressed in all black with a black ski 147 00:10:25,480 --> 00:10:27,240 Speaker 3: mask covering his face. 148 00:10:28,400 --> 00:10:31,040 Speaker 5: All she can see is just the eyes and nose 149 00:10:31,160 --> 00:10:35,360 Speaker 5: area with what she describes as kind of bushy eyebrows. 150 00:10:35,520 --> 00:10:41,440 Speaker 3: And he walks right past her and she freezes and 151 00:10:41,520 --> 00:10:46,640 Speaker 3: he looks at her. She thinks he's maybe like five 152 00:10:46,840 --> 00:10:50,680 Speaker 3: ten six feet tall, and she describes him built like 153 00:10:50,720 --> 00:10:53,840 Speaker 3: a basketball player, like he's athletic but skinny. 154 00:10:54,440 --> 00:10:56,800 Speaker 1: What a terrifying moment. I mean, this is out of 155 00:10:57,240 --> 00:11:02,959 Speaker 1: an actual horror movie. Would wonder if I was having 156 00:11:02,960 --> 00:11:03,959 Speaker 1: a dream or something. 157 00:11:04,480 --> 00:11:06,560 Speaker 3: And the other thing I should say that's running through 158 00:11:06,600 --> 00:11:10,400 Speaker 3: her mind is that maybe this is a prank. 159 00:11:11,400 --> 00:11:13,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, if you're living near the frats, that 160 00:11:13,640 --> 00:11:15,319 Speaker 1: would probably make a lot more sense. 161 00:11:16,280 --> 00:11:20,040 Speaker 5: And the person walks past her bedroom and exits out 162 00:11:20,080 --> 00:11:24,320 Speaker 5: that backslider kitchen area which is right outside her bedroom. 163 00:11:25,200 --> 00:11:29,240 Speaker 3: She ducks back in her room, locks the door. She 164 00:11:29,400 --> 00:11:33,400 Speaker 3: calls Bethany, her roommate, who answers the phone. 165 00:11:33,760 --> 00:11:36,320 Speaker 5: They're kind of discussing, like did you hear that? What 166 00:11:36,360 --> 00:11:39,360 Speaker 5: do you think's going on? We live in Moscow, We 167 00:11:39,400 --> 00:11:42,640 Speaker 5: live in a same community. Their mind does not go 168 00:11:42,880 --> 00:11:45,880 Speaker 5: to something as tragic as what occurred. 169 00:11:48,880 --> 00:11:52,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, also because I feel like the media has picked 170 00:11:52,880 --> 00:11:55,800 Speaker 1: up on this idea that quite often it's someone you 171 00:11:55,880 --> 00:11:58,600 Speaker 1: know or it's someone close to you. If you see 172 00:11:58,640 --> 00:12:03,360 Speaker 1: someone walking through this guy in a ski mask, I 173 00:12:03,360 --> 00:12:08,480 Speaker 1: mean definitely I would be scared, But also I wouldn't 174 00:12:08,520 --> 00:12:12,880 Speaker 1: necessarily jump to he's murdered a bunch of people in 175 00:12:12,880 --> 00:12:14,200 Speaker 1: my house and he's leaving. 176 00:12:14,800 --> 00:12:17,200 Speaker 5: But as had occurred in the past, you know, they 177 00:12:17,280 --> 00:12:19,840 Speaker 5: kind of talk to each other, they calm each other down, 178 00:12:19,920 --> 00:12:22,640 Speaker 5: and then they go, Okay, well let's be together. 179 00:12:23,440 --> 00:12:28,440 Speaker 3: Bethany says, well, look, come down to my room. You know, 180 00:12:28,520 --> 00:12:32,720 Speaker 3: it's better than being being up there alone. So Dylan 181 00:12:33,920 --> 00:12:38,120 Speaker 3: runs out of her room and as she leaves her room, 182 00:12:38,240 --> 00:12:43,240 Speaker 3: she can see Xana lying on the floor. Now, you know, 183 00:12:43,320 --> 00:12:47,800 Speaker 3: they had all been partying that night. She's thinking, maybe 184 00:12:47,880 --> 00:12:50,679 Speaker 3: Xana just like passed out on the floor. She's sort 185 00:12:50,720 --> 00:12:52,079 Speaker 3: of like sleeping off the night. 186 00:12:52,280 --> 00:13:00,800 Speaker 5: Yeah, your mind, thankfully wouldn't go there to the worst scenario, 187 00:13:02,080 --> 00:13:03,600 Speaker 5: so their mine didn't. 188 00:13:08,040 --> 00:13:08,400 Speaker 1: Ailen. 189 00:13:08,640 --> 00:13:11,240 Speaker 3: I'm gonna play you a statement from Bethany at the 190 00:13:11,360 --> 00:13:15,160 Speaker 3: killer sentencing hearing. She was too emotional to read it, 191 00:13:15,240 --> 00:13:18,440 Speaker 3: so one of her friends did. She explains what she 192 00:13:18,559 --> 00:13:20,760 Speaker 3: was thinking the morning after the murders. 193 00:13:21,559 --> 00:13:23,360 Speaker 2: I thought that we were going to wake up and 194 00:13:23,400 --> 00:13:26,600 Speaker 2: go upstairs see them and tell them how they had 195 00:13:26,640 --> 00:13:30,400 Speaker 2: scared us, and that they were going to tease us 196 00:13:30,440 --> 00:13:36,480 Speaker 2: about how we're constantly scaredy cats. I make jokes about it, 197 00:13:36,520 --> 00:13:39,320 Speaker 2: as we would go to Taco Bill like always. 198 00:13:41,200 --> 00:13:44,600 Speaker 3: But that's not what happened. The next morning, Bethany and 199 00:13:44,679 --> 00:13:49,440 Speaker 3: Dylan realized maybe it wasn't a prank. Maybe something is very, 200 00:13:49,720 --> 00:13:50,320 Speaker 3: very wrong. 201 00:13:51,520 --> 00:13:53,880 Speaker 2: I was so frantic that morning and scared death, not 202 00:13:54,040 --> 00:13:58,600 Speaker 2: knowing what had happened. And when I made then I'm 203 00:13:58,640 --> 00:14:01,480 Speaker 2: a one call, I couldn't even get out the words, 204 00:14:03,040 --> 00:14:05,400 Speaker 2: and from then on I don't remember a thing. It 205 00:14:05,480 --> 00:14:10,240 Speaker 2: was like my brain wiped that whole memory. That was 206 00:14:10,280 --> 00:14:13,040 Speaker 2: the worst day of my life, and I know it 207 00:14:13,080 --> 00:14:13,760 Speaker 2: always will be. 208 00:14:32,320 --> 00:14:34,640 Speaker 1: Where are we on evidence? I mean, I know the 209 00:14:34,640 --> 00:14:37,840 Speaker 1: crucial piece of evidence is the leather knife sheath, which 210 00:14:37,880 --> 00:14:40,360 Speaker 1: was found in the bed next to Maddie and Kaylee. 211 00:14:41,000 --> 00:14:43,720 Speaker 3: So we know that the Idaho State Crime Lab is 212 00:14:43,760 --> 00:14:47,600 Speaker 3: able to pull DNA off of that knife sheath and 213 00:14:47,920 --> 00:14:50,560 Speaker 3: very quickly develop a DNA profile and it's done in 214 00:14:50,640 --> 00:14:53,680 Speaker 3: just a matter of days. But when they upload the 215 00:14:53,800 --> 00:14:57,840 Speaker 3: DNA profile to codis, there are no hits. But it 216 00:14:57,880 --> 00:15:01,760 Speaker 3: did reveal some important clue, so they know that the 217 00:15:01,840 --> 00:15:06,040 Speaker 3: DNA belongs to just one person, and it's a man 218 00:15:06,960 --> 00:15:10,160 Speaker 3: and aileen. I can't express how chaotic and fast moving 219 00:15:10,200 --> 00:15:14,480 Speaker 3: this case was. Right from the start, Moscow police immediately 220 00:15:14,480 --> 00:15:18,440 Speaker 3: start getting flooded with tips, The FBI is brought into help, 221 00:15:18,760 --> 00:15:21,240 Speaker 3: and they actually set up a command post in the 222 00:15:21,280 --> 00:15:25,400 Speaker 3: police parking lot. David Middelman from authorm says this is 223 00:15:25,480 --> 00:15:29,000 Speaker 3: all unfolding in the days leading up to Thanksgiving in 224 00:15:29,160 --> 00:15:30,080 Speaker 3: twenty twenty. 225 00:15:29,840 --> 00:15:33,960 Speaker 6: Two, and there's just this tremendous pressure from the urgency 226 00:15:34,040 --> 00:15:37,760 Speaker 6: that a bunch of kids were going home and potentially 227 00:15:37,840 --> 00:15:41,560 Speaker 6: coming back to an unsafe environment. They were struggling to 228 00:15:41,760 --> 00:15:45,880 Speaker 6: identify a direction, a person of interest, the very scary situation. 229 00:15:46,600 --> 00:15:49,600 Speaker 3: There's also the problem that since the campus is emptying 230 00:15:49,640 --> 00:15:53,200 Speaker 3: out as student's head home for the holiday, this includes 231 00:15:53,280 --> 00:15:57,320 Speaker 3: people who might have key knowledge of the murders, and 232 00:15:57,360 --> 00:16:00,480 Speaker 3: it might also include the actual killer. I mean, with 233 00:16:00,560 --> 00:16:03,240 Speaker 3: the excuse of leaving town to go somewhere else across 234 00:16:03,280 --> 00:16:04,520 Speaker 3: the country for Thanksgiving. 235 00:16:05,920 --> 00:16:08,800 Speaker 1: Do they have any other evidence at this point they do. 236 00:16:09,080 --> 00:16:13,160 Speaker 3: Prosecutor Bill Thompson says, police canvas the neighborhood and they 237 00:16:13,240 --> 00:16:17,120 Speaker 3: find surveillance video from surrounding houses and apartment buildings. 238 00:16:17,640 --> 00:16:22,360 Speaker 7: That footage showed a white sedan coming and going several 239 00:16:22,400 --> 00:16:27,280 Speaker 7: times earlier that early morning. Camera also showed that sedan 240 00:16:27,400 --> 00:16:30,760 Speaker 7: that was identified as a Hyundai Elantra, leaving the area 241 00:16:30,880 --> 00:16:34,400 Speaker 7: at a high rate of speed around four twenty or 242 00:16:34,480 --> 00:16:38,880 Speaker 7: so that morning. On November thirteenth of twenty twenty two. 243 00:16:39,200 --> 00:16:42,280 Speaker 3: In Moscow, police Captain Roger Lanier says they start to 244 00:16:42,320 --> 00:16:46,000 Speaker 3: focus in on that white Hyundai Lantra and he makes 245 00:16:46,000 --> 00:16:47,520 Speaker 3: a plea to the public for help. 246 00:16:48,000 --> 00:16:51,640 Speaker 8: We are confident that the occupant or occupants of that 247 00:16:51,760 --> 00:16:56,640 Speaker 8: vehicle have information that's critical to this investigation. Hey, maybe 248 00:16:56,640 --> 00:16:58,320 Speaker 8: your neighbor has one of the garage that they don't 249 00:16:58,400 --> 00:17:01,920 Speaker 8: drive very often. Let us So far, we have a 250 00:17:02,120 --> 00:17:07,280 Speaker 8: list of approximately twenty two thousand registered white Hondai laundriss 251 00:17:07,320 --> 00:17:11,240 Speaker 8: that fit into our criteria that we're sorting through. That's 252 00:17:11,280 --> 00:17:15,080 Speaker 8: an awful lot of information, So the public can help 253 00:17:15,119 --> 00:17:15,520 Speaker 8: us with that. 254 00:17:16,480 --> 00:17:19,040 Speaker 1: Okay, this is a college neighborhood. So how do we 255 00:17:19,040 --> 00:17:21,240 Speaker 1: know it doesn't belong to a neighbor or even like 256 00:17:21,280 --> 00:17:22,320 Speaker 1: a car share driver. 257 00:17:23,480 --> 00:17:26,160 Speaker 3: Well, it's driving up and down King Road starting around 258 00:17:26,200 --> 00:17:29,600 Speaker 3: three point thirty that morning, and it's odd. I mean, 259 00:17:29,640 --> 00:17:33,200 Speaker 3: it never stops to pick anyone up or drop someone off. 260 00:17:33,400 --> 00:17:36,720 Speaker 3: At one point, it drives past the apartment building next door, 261 00:17:37,320 --> 00:17:40,399 Speaker 3: turns around and goes back by the King Road house. 262 00:17:41,080 --> 00:17:44,159 Speaker 3: Then it almost looks like it's looking for parking, but 263 00:17:44,240 --> 00:17:47,600 Speaker 3: then it turns around again, drives back by the house, 264 00:17:47,760 --> 00:17:51,000 Speaker 3: It makes a three point turn. It's just its movements 265 00:17:51,040 --> 00:17:54,440 Speaker 3: are really strange. And then it passes by the house 266 00:17:54,520 --> 00:17:57,760 Speaker 3: for a fourth time at four four in the morning. 267 00:17:58,840 --> 00:18:01,360 Speaker 1: That's sketchy. 268 00:18:02,320 --> 00:18:05,440 Speaker 3: While police are trying to hunt down that Hyundai Elantra, 269 00:18:06,119 --> 00:18:10,119 Speaker 3: prosecutor Ashley Jennings says they also learned that before Xana 270 00:18:10,280 --> 00:18:13,040 Speaker 3: was attacked, she had ordered food from Jack in the 271 00:18:13,119 --> 00:18:15,720 Speaker 3: Box and it was delivered around four am. 272 00:18:16,359 --> 00:18:22,639 Speaker 5: Investigators have a theory that she was up during the 273 00:18:22,720 --> 00:18:26,919 Speaker 5: same time, and it's possible while he was in the 274 00:18:26,960 --> 00:18:32,560 Speaker 5: residence they made contact at some point, which is what 275 00:18:32,720 --> 00:18:37,720 Speaker 5: ultimately led to help pursuing Sanna into her bedroom. 276 00:18:39,200 --> 00:18:41,879 Speaker 1: You mentioned that Xana had defensive wounds on her hands, 277 00:18:41,920 --> 00:18:45,480 Speaker 1: so it would make sense if maybe she heard something 278 00:18:45,600 --> 00:18:48,679 Speaker 1: on the third floor and went to investigate it or something. 279 00:18:49,000 --> 00:18:51,439 Speaker 3: Yeah, and the killer could have chased her down to 280 00:18:51,480 --> 00:18:55,199 Speaker 3: her bedroom where he attacks her and her boyfriend Ethan, 281 00:18:55,359 --> 00:18:59,960 Speaker 3: who was sleeping. Police also find that at four seventeen, 282 00:19:00,400 --> 00:19:04,040 Speaker 3: a security camera on a neighbor's house records some voices 283 00:19:04,800 --> 00:19:08,000 Speaker 3: and a loud thud and then the sound of a 284 00:19:08,040 --> 00:19:15,520 Speaker 3: dog barking. The surveillance footage shows that that white Hyundai Elantra, 285 00:19:15,880 --> 00:19:18,679 Speaker 3: which had been going up and down the street now 286 00:19:18,800 --> 00:19:21,920 Speaker 3: is speeding away from the King Road house for the 287 00:19:22,000 --> 00:19:23,359 Speaker 3: last time at four twenty. 288 00:19:24,240 --> 00:19:27,840 Speaker 1: Oh wow. So assuming that these murders happened somewhere in 289 00:19:27,880 --> 00:19:30,959 Speaker 1: that window. Again, we don't know for sure if the 290 00:19:31,000 --> 00:19:34,359 Speaker 1: car is related to what happened, but Xana had just eaten, 291 00:19:34,520 --> 00:19:36,439 Speaker 1: so she was probably awake. 292 00:19:37,119 --> 00:19:40,840 Speaker 3: They think it's anywhere between four h four and four twenty. 293 00:19:41,320 --> 00:19:42,879 Speaker 1: That's just sixteen minutes. 294 00:19:46,040 --> 00:19:49,880 Speaker 3: There's another piece of video that police find. So remember 295 00:19:50,000 --> 00:19:52,479 Speaker 3: Kaylee and Maddy had gone to a local bar that 296 00:19:52,600 --> 00:19:56,240 Speaker 3: night called the Corner Club, and after they leave the bar, 297 00:19:56,440 --> 00:19:58,920 Speaker 3: they're hungry, so they go find food, and pretty much 298 00:19:58,960 --> 00:20:02,359 Speaker 3: the only place that's open is a food truck called 299 00:20:02,359 --> 00:20:07,000 Speaker 3: the grub Truck. Now, the food truck has a live stream, 300 00:20:07,359 --> 00:20:09,560 Speaker 3: you know, video of people standing in line waiting to 301 00:20:09,680 --> 00:20:13,240 Speaker 3: order pick up their food. And on this video you 302 00:20:13,320 --> 00:20:17,119 Speaker 3: can see Kaylee and Maddie just hours before they were killed. 303 00:20:18,640 --> 00:20:21,560 Speaker 3: You can also see a guy in a white hoodie 304 00:20:21,640 --> 00:20:23,800 Speaker 3: and he's standing a few feet behind the girls sort 305 00:20:23,840 --> 00:20:26,560 Speaker 3: of looking at them, and as they get their food 306 00:20:26,600 --> 00:20:30,119 Speaker 3: and leave, he trails off out of the view of 307 00:20:30,160 --> 00:20:35,000 Speaker 3: the video camera. Now, I mean, you can see how 308 00:20:35,160 --> 00:20:39,200 Speaker 3: this could seem suspicious given what happens a few hours later, 309 00:20:39,960 --> 00:20:43,359 Speaker 3: and pretty quickly random strangers are convinced that he is 310 00:20:43,440 --> 00:20:49,040 Speaker 3: the killer. They publish his name and address online. But 311 00:20:49,240 --> 00:20:52,760 Speaker 3: it turns out this guy had absolutely nothing to do 312 00:20:52,840 --> 00:20:55,480 Speaker 3: with it. I mean, he's just some random college student 313 00:20:55,600 --> 00:20:57,840 Speaker 3: who's also looking for a late night snack. 314 00:20:58,880 --> 00:21:01,320 Speaker 1: You can see how an inn in person get swept 315 00:21:01,400 --> 00:21:05,240 Speaker 1: up in misinformation that is so dangerous. 316 00:21:05,040 --> 00:21:08,920 Speaker 3: And literally like people are trying to investigate this case 317 00:21:08,920 --> 00:21:14,080 Speaker 3: on their own. So there's YouTubers pretending to be students 318 00:21:14,600 --> 00:21:18,119 Speaker 3: to get on campus. Oh, people are driving by the 319 00:21:18,280 --> 00:21:24,200 Speaker 3: King Road House and like videoing and speculating on the 320 00:21:24,280 --> 00:21:28,080 Speaker 3: spot where they think the killer entered the home. Oh, 321 00:21:28,359 --> 00:21:32,760 Speaker 3: they're fake Instagram accounts that pop up, Oh my gosh, 322 00:21:32,800 --> 00:21:38,360 Speaker 3: and they start targeting other students on campus saying watch out, 323 00:21:38,560 --> 00:21:39,400 Speaker 3: like you're next. 324 00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:48,320 Speaker 1: Oh my god, that's scary. And I feel like, because 325 00:21:48,359 --> 00:21:52,240 Speaker 1: we're so connected with cameras and social media and everything, 326 00:21:53,119 --> 00:21:55,199 Speaker 1: it's like it's both a gift and a curse. We 327 00:21:55,240 --> 00:21:57,639 Speaker 1: get all this good information, we can fill out what 328 00:21:57,800 --> 00:22:00,880 Speaker 1: happened that night and information about the crime. But then 329 00:22:01,080 --> 00:22:04,959 Speaker 1: also people's lives could be ruined if their names are 330 00:22:05,040 --> 00:22:07,679 Speaker 1: dragged through the mud and they have nothing to do 331 00:22:07,760 --> 00:22:10,760 Speaker 1: with it. It's like, at least, can we respect some 332 00:22:10,880 --> 00:22:14,480 Speaker 1: privacy of the victims. God that pisses me off. 333 00:22:15,200 --> 00:22:17,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, And also think about all of those people like 334 00:22:17,840 --> 00:22:20,800 Speaker 3: you know, the guy the grub truck, ex boyfriends, I mean, 335 00:22:20,880 --> 00:22:24,640 Speaker 3: everyone who's put under the microscope and sort of considered 336 00:22:24,680 --> 00:22:29,199 Speaker 3: possible suspects, right or wrong. But that's also what's so 337 00:22:29,320 --> 00:22:32,600 Speaker 3: interesting about this new DNA technology. I mean, if it 338 00:22:32,640 --> 00:22:37,600 Speaker 3: can locate whoever actually did this faster, you're potentially saving 339 00:22:37,800 --> 00:22:41,560 Speaker 3: so many people from being put under the microscope unfairly. 340 00:22:42,359 --> 00:22:46,160 Speaker 1: So now police have some clues. We know they're looking 341 00:22:46,160 --> 00:22:50,080 Speaker 1: for a man, someone around six feet tall, skinny, with 342 00:22:50,240 --> 00:22:53,840 Speaker 1: bushy eyebrows, the guy in the ski mask, and we 343 00:22:54,040 --> 00:22:57,480 Speaker 1: know that there was this white Hyundai Lantra that was 344 00:22:57,560 --> 00:23:00,000 Speaker 1: driving in the area right around the time of the murders. 345 00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:03,280 Speaker 3: And police are pretty confident that the leather knife sheath 346 00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:07,480 Speaker 3: belongs to the killer, but so far that DNA evidence 347 00:23:07,600 --> 00:23:10,920 Speaker 3: is a total dead end. But they also know that 348 00:23:11,080 --> 00:23:14,000 Speaker 3: DNA is their best chance to find out who did this, 349 00:23:14,240 --> 00:23:16,160 Speaker 3: So it's incredibly frustrating. 350 00:23:16,640 --> 00:23:19,000 Speaker 1: It's like the truth is there, but they have to 351 00:23:19,160 --> 00:23:20,720 Speaker 1: essentially crack the code. 352 00:23:21,320 --> 00:23:24,800 Speaker 3: And then just days before the Thanksgiving holiday, the Idaho 353 00:23:24,960 --> 00:23:30,400 Speaker 3: State Police Forensic Services suggest that they try forensic genetic genealogy. 354 00:23:31,080 --> 00:23:34,760 Speaker 3: Maybe that would identify the male suspect from his DNA 355 00:23:34,840 --> 00:23:35,679 Speaker 3: on the knife sheath. 356 00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:39,800 Speaker 9: We weren't having any luck up to that point. On 357 00:23:39,840 --> 00:23:46,639 Speaker 9: that Sunday night is when we first got the thought 358 00:23:46,680 --> 00:23:51,080 Speaker 9: process of send the DNA sequencing out and see if 359 00:23:51,119 --> 00:23:55,719 Speaker 9: we can't find some distant relative match that we can 360 00:23:55,800 --> 00:24:00,280 Speaker 9: then start tracing down that family tree and see if 361 00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:04,360 Speaker 9: we can't find somebody attached more closely to that DNA 362 00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:05,240 Speaker 9: at that point. 363 00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:09,280 Speaker 3: In time, Moscow Police Captain Dustin Blaker was familiar with 364 00:24:09,359 --> 00:24:13,280 Speaker 3: the basic idea of genetic genealogy. He and his wife 365 00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:16,840 Speaker 3: had recently done their own family tree, and he knew 366 00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:20,200 Speaker 3: that the State Crime Lab worked with AUTHRAM using forensic 367 00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:23,200 Speaker 3: genetic genealogy to help solve cold cases. 368 00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:27,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, but on an active homicide investigation, that seems like 369 00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:28,960 Speaker 1: a whole different thing. 370 00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:32,679 Speaker 9: For myself some of the other investigators, that was all 371 00:24:32,760 --> 00:24:35,240 Speaker 9: kind of new to us. I think we were kind 372 00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:38,320 Speaker 9: of like, Okay, legally, how is this supposed to work? 373 00:24:38,359 --> 00:24:39,920 Speaker 9: And how is all this going to play out? 374 00:24:39,920 --> 00:24:40,280 Speaker 5: In core. 375 00:24:41,280 --> 00:24:44,600 Speaker 3: Meanwhile, Kristin Middleman of AUTHRAM says she and her husband David, 376 00:24:44,600 --> 00:24:46,040 Speaker 3: are at home watching the news. 377 00:24:47,040 --> 00:24:50,800 Speaker 10: The case was discussed on the news, and David and 378 00:24:50,840 --> 00:24:54,600 Speaker 10: I got a phone call and they asked if we 379 00:24:54,600 --> 00:25:00,000 Speaker 10: were willing to work a high profile case in real time. 380 00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:06,480 Speaker 11: David said, let me think about it and let me. 381 00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:09,640 Speaker 10: Call you back, and so he got off the phone 382 00:25:09,680 --> 00:25:12,000 Speaker 10: and I said, why wouldn't we work this case? 383 00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:17,000 Speaker 3: David is nervous. I mean, these murders are being splashed 384 00:25:17,080 --> 00:25:21,119 Speaker 3: all over the news. Author has been working on cold cases, 385 00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:24,480 Speaker 3: but this would be one of the highest profile cases. 386 00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:26,800 Speaker 11: Yet, and I said, doesn't really matter. 387 00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:28,800 Speaker 10: Right, there are four kids that are dead and a 388 00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:31,879 Speaker 10: perpetrator out there, and this is what we do. So 389 00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:35,040 Speaker 10: why would we ever turn this case away if the 390 00:25:35,119 --> 00:25:39,679 Speaker 10: evidence is suitable? And our daughter was a sophomore. She 391 00:25:39,800 --> 00:25:43,000 Speaker 10: just started her sophomore year in college when this happened, 392 00:25:43,040 --> 00:25:46,360 Speaker 10: and so she was literally the age of those children. 393 00:25:47,119 --> 00:25:50,960 Speaker 10: We knew immediately how terrifying this must have been. And 394 00:25:51,040 --> 00:25:52,400 Speaker 10: I think that's when. 395 00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:55,400 Speaker 11: We really knew that we had to identify this guy. 396 00:25:56,320 --> 00:26:00,040 Speaker 3: Now, the Moscow police have never done this before, and 397 00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:03,680 Speaker 3: Blaker is also nervous. I mean, he knows how important 398 00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:07,000 Speaker 3: this case is to his community. So his colleague at 399 00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:09,920 Speaker 3: the state Police says, look, why don't you go visit 400 00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:12,720 Speaker 3: Authorm's lab for yourself and then decide if you want 401 00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:13,760 Speaker 3: to give them the evidence. 402 00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:17,800 Speaker 9: He strongly suggested that we should take the sample ourself 403 00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:22,000 Speaker 9: to Houston to the lab and make sure that we 404 00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:24,880 Speaker 9: are comfortable with the way the lab was set up. 405 00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:28,080 Speaker 9: We felt that it needed to meet as far as 406 00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:30,760 Speaker 9: normal standard testing and law enforcement. So the chain of 407 00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:33,880 Speaker 9: custody is all there, It's going to be protected, it's 408 00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:36,359 Speaker 9: going to be locked up they're going to document the 409 00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:41,480 Speaker 9: genome sequencing and everything like that. So my agency, along 410 00:26:41,480 --> 00:26:44,600 Speaker 9: with the prosecutors, we talked about it. We decided that yes, this. 411 00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:49,320 Speaker 3: Was worth it, and before Captain Blaker knew it, he 412 00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:51,720 Speaker 3: was on a plane from Idaho to Texas. 413 00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:57,480 Speaker 9: I left Boise around six o'clock that morning, flew straight 414 00:26:57,520 --> 00:27:02,520 Speaker 9: to Houston with the DNA sample with me. Then I 415 00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:04,520 Speaker 9: was extremely nervous that I was going to screw the 416 00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:05,120 Speaker 9: whole thing up. 417 00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:25,960 Speaker 3: Just before Thanksgiving, Captain Blaker with the Moscow Police Department 418 00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:28,919 Speaker 3: is on his way to Athram with the key piece 419 00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:30,120 Speaker 3: of DNA evidence. 420 00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:33,320 Speaker 9: I just carried it in just a very basic backpack 421 00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:35,119 Speaker 9: with me so I could keep track of where it 422 00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:38,240 Speaker 9: was at all times. I'm nervous in the process of 423 00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:40,680 Speaker 9: don't lose this, don't let this out of my sight, 424 00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:44,720 Speaker 9: and then trying to make sure that I keep it intact. 425 00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:48,240 Speaker 9: So I want to make sure it's very protected. I mean, 426 00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:51,560 Speaker 9: we were kind of banking on this. We knew that 427 00:27:51,560 --> 00:27:54,879 Speaker 9: that Sheath was very vital to this case, and anything 428 00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:57,920 Speaker 9: that we got off of it we all felt had 429 00:27:57,920 --> 00:27:58,879 Speaker 9: to be our suspect. 430 00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:02,160 Speaker 1: I've always been I'm curious how a really high profile 431 00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:05,200 Speaker 1: case like this unfolds. I mean, everything is riding on 432 00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:08,720 Speaker 1: the DNA evidence he's carrying, and they can't do anything 433 00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:11,040 Speaker 1: to tip off the killer because what if he's still 434 00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:11,800 Speaker 1: in the community. 435 00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:15,840 Speaker 3: The whole thing is wrapped in secrecy. David and Kristen 436 00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:18,680 Speaker 3: can't tell anyone they're involved. I mean they can't even 437 00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:23,440 Speaker 3: tell the lab technicians what case this is. And they're 438 00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:25,240 Speaker 3: even in the dark. On the timing. 439 00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:29,560 Speaker 10: We didn't know when they would be arriving at the lab, 440 00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:33,119 Speaker 10: so we were taking our holiday card photos. We had 441 00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:35,840 Speaker 10: all five kids with us. We were all color coordinated. 442 00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:38,080 Speaker 10: So when we got the call that they had landed 443 00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:41,080 Speaker 10: in Houston and we're about to arrive at the lab, I. 444 00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:42,640 Speaker 11: Told a photographer we have to go. 445 00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:47,560 Speaker 3: Meanwhile, Ethan Chapin, the young man killed in the King roadhouse, 446 00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:50,840 Speaker 3: his family is trying to figure out how to get 447 00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:55,000 Speaker 3: through the holiday. Ethan was a triplet and his siblings 448 00:28:55,040 --> 00:29:00,640 Speaker 3: Mazie and Hunter left campus immediately after the murders. Stacy 449 00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:03,920 Speaker 3: and his dad, Jim are obviously still in shock. 450 00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:06,760 Speaker 4: Because it is tough, you know, Oh boy, you sit 451 00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:10,840 Speaker 4: down and at a place that you spend a lot 452 00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:14,400 Speaker 4: of time with as a family and you sit at 453 00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:17,240 Speaker 4: that table and you have an empty chair. 454 00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:21,840 Speaker 12: You know, we were eating tacos and not giving thanks 455 00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:23,320 Speaker 12: because it didn't feel right. 456 00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:28,400 Speaker 4: Those are some tough times to get through. Or a 457 00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:31,800 Speaker 4: four person family now, but it's tough. 458 00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:42,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, Well, Ethan's family is struggling. AUTHORM gets the green 459 00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:45,440 Speaker 3: light to work the case and they call pretty much 460 00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:46,600 Speaker 3: everyone into the lab. 461 00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:50,560 Speaker 10: It was Thanksgiving day and the profile was still running, 462 00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:55,360 Speaker 10: and many of us had to cancel our plans and 463 00:29:55,920 --> 00:29:59,680 Speaker 10: be here so that we could immediately start working on 464 00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:05,120 Speaker 10: this day, immediately start the next step. And so I remember, 465 00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:09,400 Speaker 10: we couldn't talk about the case obviously that includes our families, 466 00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:13,960 Speaker 10: and we had to say, sorry, we can't host Thanksgiving. 467 00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:16,120 Speaker 11: We have to move it to the weekend. 468 00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:20,520 Speaker 3: But here's where the case really starts to move, because 469 00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:24,120 Speaker 3: DNA from the knife sheath starts to reveal some clues. 470 00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:28,520 Speaker 13: Even before we start the forensic genetic genealogy process. We 471 00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:31,280 Speaker 13: can learn a lot by just looking at the DNA markers. 472 00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:36,280 Speaker 13: This could be essentially the geographical localization of where their 473 00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:39,920 Speaker 13: family is from or the origins to their family in Europe, 474 00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:44,280 Speaker 13: in Asia, in Africa, and what are they learning We 475 00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:48,480 Speaker 13: learned the person we're looking for has a largely European 476 00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:53,760 Speaker 13: background and also has this unique bio geographical ancestry tide 477 00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:58,800 Speaker 13: to Italy, and this eventually leads us to a multi 478 00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:04,400 Speaker 13: generational American family in Pennsylvania. 479 00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:07,080 Speaker 1: That's a big break. I mean to go from a 480 00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:10,680 Speaker 1: totally unknown perpetrator to knowing this is someone with family 481 00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:13,840 Speaker 1: in Pennsylvania and with Italian ancestry. 482 00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:17,520 Speaker 3: And police and Idaho are working to track down the 483 00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:22,320 Speaker 3: white Houndai Lantra and Allen. They notice something interesting from 484 00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:26,040 Speaker 3: the surveillance footage. They can see that the car doesn't 485 00:31:26,040 --> 00:31:30,120 Speaker 3: have a front license plate. Okay, and it turns out 486 00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:34,320 Speaker 3: that Pennsylvania doesn't require a front license plate. 487 00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:35,680 Speaker 1: Interesting. 488 00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:40,280 Speaker 3: Now detectives are chasing down all of these clues. They've 489 00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:43,440 Speaker 3: gone to the local stores that sell k bar knives 490 00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:46,280 Speaker 3: and they get a list of who's bought one recently, 491 00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:51,400 Speaker 3: but that leads nowhere. They're also trying to contain just 492 00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:56,160 Speaker 3: an absolute tornado of conspiracy theories and rumors, so police 493 00:31:56,200 --> 00:32:00,600 Speaker 3: start holding a number of briefings. This is Moscow Captain 494 00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:01,479 Speaker 3: Roger Lanier. 495 00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:07,320 Speaker 8: I want to address several areas of speculation, conjecture, and misinformation. 496 00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:14,120 Speaker 8: That has circulated on social media platforms and otherwise. We 497 00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:18,160 Speaker 8: do not believe the following individuals are involved in this crime. 498 00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:24,280 Speaker 8: The two surviving roommates, a male scene at the Grub 499 00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:30,360 Speaker 8: Truck food vendor downtown, specifically wearing a white hoodie, a 500 00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:36,640 Speaker 8: private party who provided rides home to Kayley and Madison 501 00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:39,120 Speaker 8: in the early morning hour of November thirteenth. 502 00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:43,080 Speaker 1: People think the surviving roommates are involved. 503 00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:48,600 Speaker 3: I mean, it's horrible. The roommates come under just incredible scrutiny. 504 00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:52,440 Speaker 3: People attack them for not doing anything, like how could 505 00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:54,479 Speaker 3: you not know there was a murderer in the house, 506 00:32:55,360 --> 00:33:00,760 Speaker 3: and some people suggest they're somehow complicit. This is what 507 00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:04,200 Speaker 3: Bethany shared at the sentencing, and it's read by one 508 00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:05,240 Speaker 3: of her friends. 509 00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:09,680 Speaker 2: I was grieving, numb, and unsure what had happened was 510 00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:13,120 Speaker 2: even real, and at the same time, I was getting 511 00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:17,440 Speaker 2: flooded with death threats and hateful messages from people who 512 00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:19,320 Speaker 2: did not know me at all or know the dynamic 513 00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:22,840 Speaker 2: of our friendship. Social media made it so much worse. 514 00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:25,560 Speaker 2: The media harassed not just me but also my family. 515 00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:28,920 Speaker 2: People showed up at our house. They called my phone, 516 00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:31,280 Speaker 2: my parents' phones, and we were chased. 517 00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:37,120 Speaker 1: I honestly don't even know what to say. It's like 518 00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:39,880 Speaker 1: people forget that Bethany and Dylan are real people. 519 00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:44,160 Speaker 3: And it doesn't stop with the conspiracy theories. I mean, 520 00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:48,600 Speaker 3: the media wants the autopsies of the four students. Ethan 521 00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:53,000 Speaker 3: Chapin's mom, Stacy says, it feels like nothing is off limits. 522 00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:55,720 Speaker 12: We just got a call from the university that they're 523 00:33:55,760 --> 00:33:59,720 Speaker 12: going after the transcripts of the kids and any infractions 524 00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:02,760 Speaker 12: that they had at the university. And where like you can, 525 00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:06,480 Speaker 12: as a parent of a college kid, called the university 526 00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:11,160 Speaker 12: and get your child's transcripts. We don't have Ethan's transcripts. 527 00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:14,960 Speaker 12: Why does the media get to go after his transcripts? 528 00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:18,839 Speaker 12: I mean, yeah, you failed math? Oh well, what they 529 00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:21,960 Speaker 12: think should be their right to the information? 530 00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:24,480 Speaker 11: It is shocking. 531 00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:25,880 Speaker 6: Why do you need it? 532 00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:26,680 Speaker 1: Yeah? 533 00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:29,080 Speaker 11: Why does anybody need to know it? Now? 534 00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:35,319 Speaker 1: I don't think anyone who hasn't lost a loved one 535 00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:38,200 Speaker 1: in a horrific crime like this or in such a 536 00:34:38,200 --> 00:34:42,799 Speaker 1: public way can really understand what they're going through. I 537 00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:45,960 Speaker 1: know we've talked about this privately, but I don't want 538 00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:48,480 Speaker 1: to be part of the problem either. And it makes 539 00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:50,000 Speaker 1: you wonder where the line is. 540 00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:52,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean there's the hope that by talking about 541 00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:56,920 Speaker 3: what happened and how it affects people, and you know, 542 00:34:57,000 --> 00:35:00,000 Speaker 3: obviously how this case is solved, it'll prevent it from 543 00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:03,959 Speaker 3: happening again. But also we don't want to re traumatize 544 00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:04,759 Speaker 3: these families. 545 00:35:05,239 --> 00:35:08,120 Speaker 12: I will tell you that every day since November thirteenth, 546 00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:11,440 Speaker 12: twenty twenty two, every single day, there has been something 547 00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:15,000 Speaker 12: I don't want to call it a battle, just something 548 00:35:15,239 --> 00:35:22,400 Speaker 12: that you are fighting, something you know, call from the FBI. 549 00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:26,200 Speaker 12: I had to photograph what was in his wallet. I mean, 550 00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:30,120 Speaker 12: I don't feel like it's anybody's business, but that feels 551 00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:31,880 Speaker 12: like what's coming next. 552 00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:41,720 Speaker 3: And Authorom's really working around the clock. I mean David, 553 00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:45,080 Speaker 3: he basically moves into the lab to make sure that 554 00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:50,320 Speaker 3: this is going as fast and efficiently as possible. They're 555 00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:53,640 Speaker 3: running their forensic genetic genealogy, and as soon as they're 556 00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:56,279 Speaker 3: getting information, they're relaying it back to detectives. 557 00:35:57,640 --> 00:36:01,920 Speaker 10: We were able to tell the detectives that we believe 558 00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:05,799 Speaker 10: that the family came from Pennsylvania. They were able to 559 00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:13,280 Speaker 10: narrow their search of white Hondai lantras with Pennsylvania plates 560 00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:17,839 Speaker 10: and believe it or not, there were only a couple 561 00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:23,040 Speaker 10: cars that had Pennsylvania plates that actually matched a description 562 00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:26,960 Speaker 10: of the car scene At the crime scene. 563 00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:27,600 Speaker 1: That's pretty narrowed down. 564 00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:33,279 Speaker 3: But a few days after the murders, the killer does 565 00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:36,000 Speaker 3: something to try and throw police off his tail. 566 00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:47,360 Speaker 1: Next time on America's. 567 00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:49,839 Speaker 7: Crime Lab, they wanted to point the finger at other 568 00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:54,080 Speaker 7: people as being responsible for this, to try to point 569 00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:56,320 Speaker 7: the finger at innocent third parties. 570 00:36:57,120 --> 00:36:59,640 Speaker 9: Is this real or are they really telling us the truth? 571 00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:01,919 Speaker 9: Finally have a name and someone to look at. 572 00:37:02,520 --> 00:37:08,520 Speaker 5: I will call you what you are, sociopath, psychopath, murderer. 573 00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:13,040 Speaker 14: And when those prison doors slams shout behind you, I 574 00:37:13,080 --> 00:37:15,120 Speaker 14: hope that sound echoes in your heart for the rest 575 00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:25,160 Speaker 14: of your meaningless days. 576 00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:37,040 Speaker 1: America's Crime Lab is produced by Rococo Punch for Kaleidoscope. 577 00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:40,759 Speaker 1: Erica Lance is our story editor and sound design is 578 00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:45,680 Speaker 1: by David Woji. 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