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Speaker 1: Here we go. Tom Brady stops by in one hour.

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Speaker 1: It is a Tuesday. We are live in Los Angeles.

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Speaker 1: It's the Herd. Wherever you may be, however you may

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Speaker 1: be watching or listening. Thanks for making us part of

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Speaker 1: your day. I understand that a lot of you have

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Speaker 1: financial envy your animosity, but I saw this story this morning.

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Speaker 1: Robert Krab not voted into the Hall of Fame last

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Speaker 1: in twenty twenty six. So let me ask you, where's

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Speaker 1: the outrage? I mean, Bill Belichick, I had to spend

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Speaker 1: three days on it. Where's the outrage? Well, Colin, come on,

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Speaker 1: owners don't matter? Oh really? Titans, Jets, Browns perpetually has

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Speaker 1: Matt spills nutty coincidence, Dan Snyder took over a Washington

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Speaker 1: football team that had a thirty year season ticket waiting list.

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Speaker 1: Twenty four years Washington was a train wreck. The NFL

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Speaker 1: kicks him out. The next year they're in the NFC Championship.

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Speaker 1: I bet that's just the nutty coincidence too. New England

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Speaker 1: was awful before Robert Kraft got there, five straight years

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Speaker 1: of losing seasons. In fact, in that half decade they

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Speaker 1: had the worst record in the league. Robert Kraft buys them.

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Speaker 1: The next year, they're ten and six.

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Speaker 3: What are the.

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Speaker 1: Chances Belichick with Belichick post Belichick super Bowls. I've worked

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Speaker 1: for over thirty five years in radio and TV. I

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Speaker 1: have had seven corporate owners. There is an inarguable, undeniable,

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Speaker 1: I'll die on this hill, direct correlation between the quality

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Speaker 1: of the owner and the quality of the management and

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Speaker 1: decisions that are made with people. Robert Kraft eleven Super

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Speaker 1: Bowls since he bought the team. That's more than the

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Speaker 1: rest of the AFC East, the AFC North, and the

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Speaker 1: AFC South combined. Joe Burrow last several years has been

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Speaker 1: the best quarterback in the league statistically. He can't make

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Speaker 1: the playoffs. You know why, and I know why. It's

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Speaker 1: not the right tackle or their lack of depth at

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Speaker 1: inside Mike Linebacker. It's the cheap ownership. I mean, go

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Speaker 1: look at baseball. The Yankees have as much annual revenue

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Speaker 1: as the Dodgers. Dodgers have better owner. Dodgers have better owners.

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Speaker 1: Excellence in every company ive al was worked at every corporation.

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Speaker 1: Starts at the top and it is continually reinforced every day.

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Speaker 1: Top down them start at the bottom. I mean, look

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Speaker 1: at New York. George Steinbrenner own the Yankees for thirty

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Speaker 1: seven years, won seven World Series titles. It wasn't managers.

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Speaker 1: He had twenty three different managers if you count hiring

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Speaker 1: Billy Martin multiple times. He had multiple gms, he had

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Speaker 1: multiple players on the rosters. The only common through line

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Speaker 1: was George Steinbrenner. Thirty seven years, seven World Series titles,

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Speaker 1: multiple managers, multiple stars, multiple infielders, multiple pitchers, multiple relievers,

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Speaker 1: multiple GMS, multiple scouts, one common denominator, George. Since he's

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Speaker 1: passed away fifteen years, kids took it over baygall No

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Speaker 1: World Series title because they don't have his vision, they

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Speaker 1: don't have his courage, and they don't have his passion.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I'll die on this hill. People don't like

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Speaker 1: owners if they had a rich guys, give me a break.

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Speaker 1: Every year. I talk about this, to be a dynasty.

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Speaker 1: You could occasionally get lucky and win a Super Bowl.

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Speaker 1: You know, you know, it all works out, you have

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Speaker 1: a good roster. But generally, to be a dynasty, great owner,

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Speaker 1: great GM, great coach, great quarterback, at least an a

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Speaker 1: minus at all of them, it is to do a dynasty.

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Speaker 1: So remember when Mike Vrabel got fired by Tennessee, considered

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Speaker 1: one of the weirdest, most political ownership groups in the NFL.

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Speaker 1: Tennessee said he didn't smile enough around the building. And

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Speaker 1: Vrabel comes back to New England gets hired. Remember what

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Speaker 1: he said, And.

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Speaker 4: Also want you not to take this organization for granted.

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Speaker 4: I've been a lot of places. This is a special

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Speaker 4: place with great leadership, great fans, great direction, great coaching.

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Speaker 4: It's not like this everywhere, Thank you very much.

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Speaker 1: It's not like this anywhere. It's the best owner in

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Speaker 1: a sun I've never met them. This isn't a favor.

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Speaker 1: It's a guy that's been on the air for thirty

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Speaker 1: five years and had seven different corporate owners direct correlation.

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Speaker 1: I say this all the time that all of us

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Speaker 1: make about twelve decisions a day, and I'm not talking

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Speaker 1: somebody else or ourselves, and the better owners make the

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Speaker 1: right decision ten to eleven out of twelve times. I mean,

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Speaker 1: William Clayford owned the Detroit Lions forever and they were

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Speaker 1: I don't buy it. I don't buy that it's a coincidence.

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Speaker 1: So you tell me when Belichick doesn't make it, people

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Speaker 1: dismiss the fact that I'm like you, guys do realize

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Speaker 1: he will make it eventually, and he shouldn't make it

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Speaker 1: in but he's won forty four and a half percent

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Speaker 1: of his games without Brady, and you dismiss that. Well,

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Speaker 1: I mean, I mean Robert Craft won pre Belichick, during Belichick,

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Speaker 1: post Belichick. And if you asked me today the next

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Speaker 1: May Mike Rabel, Robert Kraft, Josh McDaniels. You think this

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Speaker 1: was a terrible organization before Kraft, they were the New

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Speaker 1: Orleans eighths, the Saints. They were terrible, they were cheap.

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Speaker 1: Nobody wanted to play for him, nobody wanted to scout

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Speaker 1: for the next year, they win ten games. I don't

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Speaker 1: think that's luck. I don't buy in coincidence. So if

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Speaker 1: Jones is in and Robert Kraft isn't. That doesn't bother

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Speaker 1: you at all, A little does me. So Sam Darnold,

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Speaker 1: he's the odds on favorite to win MVP, and he

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Speaker 1: had a bite this week. A lot of people have

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Speaker 1: a right to be bitter. I don't think you ever

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Speaker 1: should be. But you get bad parents, you get bad bosses,

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Speaker 1: you get bad breaks, you didn't get good genetics, you're

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Speaker 1: sick a lot. Like there's a lot of reasons to

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Speaker 1: be negative, right, like to think that you haven't gotten

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Speaker 1: the breaks. Now in pro sports, let's just say Sam

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Speaker 1: Donald did not get the best opening boss. Todd Bowles

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Speaker 1: was his first boss, and he was on the hot

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Speaker 1: what it's like to enter the NFL with a coach

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Speaker 1: that's on the hot seat. It unraveled. Then he gets

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Speaker 1: Adam Gase. Disaster does not happen three years of pro bowler.

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Speaker 1: Adam Gase was so bad he has yet since he

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Speaker 1: Sam Darnald was never bitter. And then he goes to

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Speaker 1: Carolina with Matt Ruhle. That was a complete circus. He

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Speaker 1: didn't for us rock perty did in your life. If

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Speaker 1: the victim and be passive aggressive Bean Baker Mayfield last

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Speaker 1: week he's still taking shots at people. Aaron Rodgers' personality

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Speaker 1: while he was winning was passive aggressive. Sam Darnold got

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Speaker 1: a disaster with the Jets, a mess in Carolina, And

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Speaker 1: when he was asked about it, did he point fingers?

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Speaker 1: Was he upset? What he's bitter about stuff? No, this

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Speaker 5: I was really blessed to be able to get drafted

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Speaker 5: to the Jets. Obviously, things didn't work out the way

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Speaker 5: you know, the Carolina Panthers, where I made a lot

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Speaker 5: You know, was able to be a backup there and

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Speaker 5: for a great player in Brock perty learn under you know,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, when you stumble in life, your personality and how

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Speaker 1: you receive. And Darnold is totally respected throughout this league,

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Speaker 1: human being. He had every reason to be better. I mean,

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Speaker 1: Adam Gase has not had a full time job since

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Speaker 1: the Jets zero pro bowlers, went into the league in

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Speaker 1: a hot seat, chaotic ownership. Then he goes to Carolina.

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Speaker 1: He could have just said, man, I got my first

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Speaker 1: to go start a band in Oceanside, California. Head down, humble, grateful.

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Speaker 1: That's why the league is rooting for him. When you

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Speaker 1: didn't get extra multiple opportunities to reinvent themselves. That's on them,

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Speaker 1: not the rest of the league. Darnold just kept getting

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Speaker 1: I would build my team around him. And then Minnesota

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Speaker 1: Seven times super Bowl champ. So you were known for preparation.

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Speaker 1: I think a lot of things you were known for,

429
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Speaker 1: but more than anything, almost a healthy obsession, right, most

430
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Speaker 1: successful being locked a little bit obsession. One of those two.

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Speaker 1: I'll be I'll be diplomatic, but I would say this

432
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Speaker 1: Sean McVeigh admitted after losing to the Belichick, he said,

433
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Speaker 1: I over prepared. The game got into my head. Is

434
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Speaker 1: there a danger for like a Drake may or a

435
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Speaker 1: Sam Darnold figure. I mean, I'm going to be locked

436
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Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, it's paralysis by analysis. You

437
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Speaker 1: went to so many that you could judge them based

438
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Speaker 1: on that, your first one, your second one. Is there

439
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Speaker 1: a danger in that?

440
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Speaker 6: First of all, I'm gonna apologize for the drill that's

441
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Speaker 6: going on above my head right now. I'm in an apartment.

442
00:26:58,359 --> 00:27:01,640
Speaker 6: They're literally doing redoing the kitchen or something. I'm trying

443
00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:05,200
Speaker 6: to figure this out. And you know, I think being

444
00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:08,440
Speaker 6: over prepared, and at least in my opinion, I wasn't

445
00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:10,320
Speaker 6: the type of player that could ever feel like I

446
00:27:10,359 --> 00:27:13,960
Speaker 6: was over prepared. The more information I got, the better

447
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Speaker 6: I loved having two weeks to prepare for this Super

448
00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:21,240
Speaker 6: Bowl game. Over a period of time, it just got

449
00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:25,960
Speaker 6: more important for me to double down on all the

450
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Speaker 6: processes that I thought could prepare me for the game.

451
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Speaker 6: And the more you were to give me, the more

452
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Speaker 6: I could handle. I love that part of the preparation. Now,

453
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Speaker 6: I will say some players don't.

454
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Speaker 3: Do great with that, That's right. So some players are option.

455
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Speaker 6: Some players they just want to know what they need

456
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Speaker 6: to know and then they want to go out there

457
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Speaker 6: and play free. I totally understand that. I think a

458
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Speaker 6: guy like ray lewis a guy like Ed Reid, they

459
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Speaker 6: wanted as much information as they could get. That would

460
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Speaker 6: be their way of preparing and feeling like I have

461
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Speaker 6: all the answers to the test. Now I get to

462
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Speaker 6: go out there and play very free. So could there

463
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Speaker 6: be a danger and over preparing? Maybe overthinking, but not

464
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Speaker 6: over preparing. I mean, you got two weeks to prepare

465
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Speaker 6: this game. You're going to remember for the rest of

466
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Speaker 6: your life. That's the best part about this game, win

467
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Speaker 6: or lose, you will be remembered.

468
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Speaker 3: For this game for the rest of your life.

469
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Speaker 6: So you want to make sure to the best of

470
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Speaker 6: your ability going into the game, you feel like you

471
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Speaker 6: give your team the best chance of succeeding, which means

472
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Speaker 6: you have to prepare as if this is the only

473
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Speaker 6: thing that's going on in your life, which to the

474
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Speaker 6: reality is that's all that should be going on in

475
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Speaker 6: your life.

476
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Speaker 1: So this is a different way of asking this question.

477
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Speaker 1: Is that you know you look at a lot of

478
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Speaker 1: film and there you have a pretty good understanding all

479
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Speaker 1: your years in the league. Man, we don't match up

480
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Speaker 1: in this spot. I'm going to get some. I'm going

481
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Speaker 1: to get some. Our pass pro is going to be

482
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Speaker 1: pushed to the limit against Justin Tuck and Strahan, And

483
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Speaker 1: you know, you kind of know going into games. Did

484
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Speaker 1: you ever go into a Super Bowl and think we

485
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Speaker 1: have better personnel? And if you did, did it affect

486
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Speaker 1: the way you played? Did you think, Okay, just Tom,

487
00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:11,320
Speaker 1: let's just don't don't throw, don't throw that seam route?

488
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Speaker 1: Could you did you ever battle that psychology of we

489
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Speaker 1: are going to wear this team down? We got better players.

490
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Speaker 6: I have a feeling you're referring to the two thousand

491
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Speaker 6: and seven undefeated Patriot team that lost to the Giants.

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Speaker 3: Am I wrong?

493
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Speaker 6: Or what the hell is going on here? Bringing up

494
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Speaker 6: my worst my worst football memory. I mean, there were

495
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Speaker 6: days where I felt like, going in we were you know,

496
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Speaker 6: on paper, you know, however it would match up. Okay,

497
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Speaker 6: We've got a great chance. And honestly, when I do

498
00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:44,720
Speaker 6: my games for Fox, a lot of times people on

499
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Speaker 6: our crew will say, well, who do you think is

500
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Speaker 6: going to win? And I always kind of say, well,

501
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Speaker 6: if they were to play ten times, I think this

502
00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:54,840
Speaker 6: team would win seven and this team would win three.

503
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Speaker 6: And that's you know, because on any given day, if

504
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Speaker 6: a quarterback goes over, goes out and turn it over

505
00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:02,720
Speaker 6: three times, guess what, you're not winning, right.

506
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Speaker 3: So the reality is is the.

507
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Speaker 6: Best team in a one game series doesn't always win.

508
00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:12,200
Speaker 6: That's why I always think basketball baseball, a seven game

509
00:30:12,280 --> 00:30:15,400
Speaker 6: series does identify the best team because you know, you

510
00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:18,240
Speaker 6: got seven chances to get it right, and football you

511
00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:19,600
Speaker 6: got one chance to get it right.

512
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Speaker 3: That's really the challenge.

513
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Speaker 6: You could have an off day or we're up there

514
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Speaker 6: in Seattle doing the last game of our year in

515
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Speaker 6: Championship weekend with me and Kevin Burkhart, and we watch

516
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Speaker 6: the pun returner from the rams muff to punt, Seattle

517
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Speaker 6: jumps on the ball, gives them all the momentum, Seattle

518
00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:38,760
Speaker 6: goes on, takes advantage, and then that ends up being

519
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Speaker 6: one of the big turning points in the game.

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Speaker 3: So that's how finnicky the game is.

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Speaker 6: It's a real challenge to win this game and to

522
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Speaker 6: do everything right over the course of the season to

523
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Speaker 6: get to this game, and then to win this game

524
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Speaker 6: requires a lot of good things happening and things still

525
00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:57,520
Speaker 6: bouncing your way. So that's that's really the challenge and

526
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Speaker 6: the hard part about winning this game.

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Speaker 1: So you at a lot about Donald, and I can

528
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Speaker 1: tell whenever a broadcaster has a really good line. I

529
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Speaker 1: can tell because I remembered a week or two later,

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Speaker 1: and you said this during the Seahawk game, and I

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Speaker 1: followed Donald since late high school, and I'd never heard

532
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Speaker 1: it been put this way. You said, you know, Sam's

533
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Speaker 1: more explosive than surgical, and I thought, oh, yeah, that's

534
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Speaker 1: exactly right. But what's interesting is with the Jets in

535
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Speaker 1: Carolina and maybe Minnesota, sometimes he had to be dynamic

536
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Speaker 1: and not surgical. When I watched them against the Rams,

537
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Speaker 1: I thought, oh, no, he's being surgical because outside of JSN,

538
00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:38,120
Speaker 1: it's a run team and a defensive led team. And

539
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Speaker 1: I'm wondering. When I watched Sam, I thought, that's exactly

540
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Speaker 1: what he is. And then the Rams game, I'm like,

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Speaker 1: oh no, this is actually surgical. I'm wondering if he

542
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Speaker 1: recognizes what he's surrounded by and Tom Sam realizes, really

543
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Speaker 1: this is about it's surgery. I don't want to be

544
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Speaker 1: as explosive. Do you think that's part of it.

545
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Speaker 3: Sure, I do.

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Speaker 6: I think there's different ways to win every single week,

547
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Speaker 6: and you always have to find kind of the formula

548
00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:13,560
Speaker 6: for success in a given week depending on who's in

549
00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:16,600
Speaker 6: for you, because you could have some injuries and who's

550
00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:18,720
Speaker 6: out for the other team, or where you want to

551
00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:22,280
Speaker 6: try to attack the coverages of the other team. Some

552
00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:26,280
Speaker 6: teams call and there's probably more in vogue than in

553
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Speaker 6: the last five six years since really the Rams with

554
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Speaker 6: Brandon Staley played more of a shell type defense, a

555
00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:36,200
Speaker 6: lot of variations and too high defenses which are built

556
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Speaker 6: to protect a deep part of the field right and

557
00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:42,400
Speaker 6: forces the quarterback to make surgical decisions on the underneath

558
00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:45,200
Speaker 6: parts of the field. So when you decide to play

559
00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:48,400
Speaker 6: this top down approach, well, you better find a surgical

560
00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:51,000
Speaker 6: passer that can throw, the tight ends, that can throw

561
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Speaker 6: the running backs that can find and be okay with

562
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Speaker 6: six or seven yard games to advance the ball.

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Speaker 3: Okay.

564
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Speaker 6: Now, differently, there's some teams that come up and want

565
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Speaker 6: to press you at the line of scrimmage and try

566
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Speaker 6: to defend the short parts of the field and make

567
00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:12,720
Speaker 6: you earn higher, more challenging completions down the field, which

568
00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:15,720
Speaker 6: are a less percentage of happening. But they will say,

569
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Speaker 6: all right, we're going to get up here and try

570
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Speaker 6: to take away the short stuff, and we're going to

571
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Speaker 6: force you to hit the hard ones. That's another style

572
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Speaker 6: of defense. So you have to go in and out

573
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Speaker 6: of different modes at different times. Sometimes you could be explosive,

574
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Speaker 6: sometimes you can be surgible. Sometimes when they're all inside,

575
00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:34,280
Speaker 6: you got to throw the ball outside. Sometimes when they're deep,

576
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Speaker 6: you got to throw it short. When they decide to

577
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Speaker 6: cover short, you got to throw it deep when they're

578
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Speaker 6: all inside. It's just that's how you have to develop

579
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Speaker 6: a style of play over a period of time. That's

580
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Speaker 6: why I think it's really important for quarterbacks to They

581
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Speaker 6: have to go to the line of scrimmage with a plan,

582
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Speaker 6: and what's my plan on this play? What did the

583
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Speaker 6: coach call? What did he call that play for? This

584
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Speaker 6: is all part of processing information. As I walk to

585
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Speaker 6: the line. Now I get to look at the defense,

586
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Speaker 6: all right, now, what.

587
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Speaker 3: Are they in?

588
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Speaker 6: Is the coach the play call the coach? Is the

589
00:34:08,200 --> 00:34:10,520
Speaker 6: play that the coach called? Is it going to work

590
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Speaker 6: against the defense that I'm seeing? That's the judgment the

591
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Speaker 6: quarterback has to make. When you have a very highly

592
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Speaker 6: intellectual quarterback. Let's look at Matt Stafford, who's going to

593
00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:24,160
Speaker 6: probably win MVP. That's how he walks to the line

594
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Speaker 6: of scrimmage. Now he's got seventeen years of wisdom, he

595
00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:32,800
Speaker 6: can now say, great, there's a very high percentage chance

596
00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:35,000
Speaker 6: that this play is actually going to work. Let's run it.

597
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Speaker 6: That's how you continue to take growth as a quarterback

598
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:44,240
Speaker 6: and level up every single year because the processing amount

599
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Speaker 6: of the processing information, the speed of processing information.

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Speaker 3: Can get better as you get older.

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Speaker 6: And that's why I think you see a lot of

602
00:34:52,080 --> 00:34:55,320
Speaker 6: success from quarterbacks in their mid to late thirties.

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Speaker 1: So when you went into these Super Bowls, a majority

604
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Speaker 1: of them Josh McDaniels, did he pace it, did he

605
00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:10,279
Speaker 1: add stuff late? Was the install clean? And he kind

606
00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:12,560
Speaker 1: of knew going in first two days. Here's what it is.

607
00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:15,840
Speaker 1: You're smiling as I say this. What was it like?

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Speaker 6: I mean, there was some of the coolest things I

609
00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:21,959
Speaker 6: ever remember working with Josh in those moments and having

610
00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:24,719
Speaker 6: those two weeks to prepare, knowing the magnitude of what

611
00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:27,880
Speaker 6: we were playing for. You have sixty to seventy plays

612
00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:31,560
Speaker 6: left in the entire season, that's all you got. So

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Speaker 6: why have three hundred calls on the call sheet. You're

614
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Speaker 6: not going to call them all anyway. Why don't you

615
00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:40,680
Speaker 6: try to just thin it out to the plays that

616
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Speaker 6: you feel give you the best chance to win and

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Speaker 6: that your team can execute well.

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Speaker 3: So a cool story.

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Speaker 6: Twenty fourteen, We're playing the Seahawks in the Super Bowl

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Speaker 6: and we have four days of practice in Foxborough. We're

621
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Speaker 6: playing against the Legion of boom Man. That was a

622
00:35:56,280 --> 00:36:01,200
Speaker 6: legit defense, unbelievable. We have three days of practice down

623
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Speaker 6: in Arizona where the game's being played. It's Friday night,

624
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Speaker 6: after we've had seven practices, and we go out to

625
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Speaker 6: dinner with my family. Come back from dinner, it's about

626
00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:18,239
Speaker 6: nine point thirty. I'm walking from the parking lot up

627
00:36:18,239 --> 00:36:21,560
Speaker 6: to my hotel room on Friday night and I said,

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Speaker 6: I called Josh. I said, I'm not feeling great about

629
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Speaker 6: the red area. I just there's a lot of moving

630
00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:28,960
Speaker 6: parts and I feel like if I look to the right,

631
00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:30,440
Speaker 6: the defense is going to move the right, and that's

632
00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:32,160
Speaker 6: going to take away the guys that I'm thinking about.

633
00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:33,680
Speaker 6: If I look to the left, throw going to move

634
00:36:33,680 --> 00:36:35,719
Speaker 6: and they're just gonna move with my eyes and cover

635
00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:38,680
Speaker 6: our receivers, and I don't think we can gain any leverage.

636
00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:41,320
Speaker 6: Can we just go through the plan one more time?

637
00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:44,120
Speaker 6: He and I at ten o'clock on Friday night, after

638
00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:46,640
Speaker 6: seven players are going to are watching red area film

639
00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:49,600
Speaker 6: of the Seahawks defense. Okay, all the Hayes in the barn.

640
00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:52,640
Speaker 6: Practice is over. We got no more shots of practice.

641
00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:56,160
Speaker 6: Josh and I come up with about three or four

642
00:36:56,239 --> 00:36:58,800
Speaker 6: plays on that Friday night between a ten and eleven

643
00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:02,000
Speaker 6: o'clock at night, we walked through the plays. That's one

644
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Speaker 6: particular play you just showed on the screen. It was

645
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Speaker 6: one of the plays that we installed on the Saturday morning,

646
00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:10,960
Speaker 6: the Sunday before the game that we put in. We

647
00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:15,080
Speaker 6: walked through them and we threw touchdown passes on of

648
00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:17,960
Speaker 6: the two of the plays that we installed on that

649
00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:21,560
Speaker 6: Saturday morning. So talk about feeling like you could be

650
00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:26,120
Speaker 6: over prepared, No, could you could be prepared. And then

651
00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:28,640
Speaker 6: you can go to the next level, which is cross

652
00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:32,359
Speaker 6: every t dot every eye because in that game, that

653
00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:33,480
Speaker 6: game came down.

654
00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:36,759
Speaker 3: To mark the smallest margins and what does it take.

655
00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:39,360
Speaker 6: Sometimes that's what it takes, and that's the trust and

656
00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:41,280
Speaker 6: confidence that he and I built on one another.

657
00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:45,479
Speaker 1: Did you tell teammates of the changes. Were there things

658
00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:47,440
Speaker 1: that were singular with you and Josh or did you

659
00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:49,879
Speaker 1: have to tell everybody, guys, this is what we're doing.

660
00:37:50,680 --> 00:37:52,359
Speaker 6: Yeah, guys, this are the plays. We're going to add

661
00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:53,800
Speaker 6: three or four plays. We're not going to get a

662
00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:55,520
Speaker 6: chance to practice them. They they may or not come up,

663
00:37:55,520 --> 00:37:56,880
Speaker 6: but we're going to walk through them to make sure

664
00:37:56,920 --> 00:37:58,600
Speaker 6: we're ready to go. We walked through them two or

665
00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:01,080
Speaker 6: three times and then you cut it loose. But there's

666
00:38:01,080 --> 00:38:03,799
Speaker 6: no full speed reps. There's no ability to get out

667
00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:05,680
Speaker 6: there on the practice field and run. It's just, hey,

668
00:38:06,080 --> 00:38:08,799
Speaker 6: been all these weeks together. But I think this play

669
00:38:08,840 --> 00:38:10,640
Speaker 6: can give us a good, easy chance. And what I

670
00:38:10,680 --> 00:38:13,440
Speaker 6: wanted to do is I wanted a really good hard

671
00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:16,400
Speaker 6: sell play action so I could get Bobby Wagner to

672
00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:18,000
Speaker 6: kind of step up in the line of score so

673
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:20,040
Speaker 6: I didn't have to worry about him because I couldn't

674
00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:22,680
Speaker 6: look off Earl Thomas and Bobby Wagner. A lot of

675
00:38:22,680 --> 00:38:25,560
Speaker 6: times they would line slightly opposite. So if I looked

676
00:38:25,560 --> 00:38:28,279
Speaker 6: off Bobby Wagner, well, it brought Earl Thomas more into

677
00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:30,200
Speaker 6: the play. And if I looked off Earl Thomas. It

678
00:38:30,239 --> 00:38:32,240
Speaker 6: brought Bob Wagner more into the play. So I wanted

679
00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:34,719
Speaker 6: a hard sell play action where I could kind of

680
00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:37,440
Speaker 6: take the linebacker out of the play and now I

681
00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:40,520
Speaker 6: could just work off one defender. It's a very challenging

682
00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:44,760
Speaker 6: style of play that they played, but it took us

683
00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:46,840
Speaker 6: and you know, a lot of years of working together

684
00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:49,600
Speaker 6: to come up with a few kind of breather plays

685
00:38:49,640 --> 00:38:51,600
Speaker 6: down there in a low red zone that gave me

686
00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:54,200
Speaker 6: a clean, decisive throw where I could just focus on

687
00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:57,000
Speaker 6: making one clean read and making a great throw to score.

688
00:38:58,680 --> 00:39:02,480
Speaker 1: Coaches will deny it publicly, but how much do you

689
00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:08,839
Speaker 1: think Mike Vrabel is leaning into we're underdogs, Darnold's gonna

690
00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:12,600
Speaker 1: be MVP, We're lucky to be here. How much is

691
00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:13,560
Speaker 1: he leaning into that?

692
00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:16,280
Speaker 3: No one, Vrabel.

693
00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:20,360
Speaker 6: He's probably got every bit of underdog material up everywhere.

694
00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:22,839
Speaker 6: We were fourteen point underdogs in two thousand and one

695
00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:25,080
Speaker 6: Braves as part of that team. Believe me, Colin, if

696
00:39:25,080 --> 00:39:27,000
Speaker 6: you picked the Seahawks, I'm sure he's going to be

697
00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:30,160
Speaker 6: telling the entire team that Colin Coward picked the Seahawks.

698
00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:34,440
Speaker 6: We're underdogs. That's just the mentality and you know that's okay.

699
00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:37,719
Speaker 6: I mean, someone's got to be that Patriots have had

700
00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:41,200
Speaker 6: an incredible season. I think what they've done is surprised everybody.

701
00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:44,360
Speaker 6: It's so many guys that have come together, coaches, players

702
00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:48,000
Speaker 6: that are new, great communication, great toughness. They played in

703
00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:51,080
Speaker 6: a lot of tough environments, and you know, they certainly

704
00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:54,200
Speaker 6: deserve to be representing the AFC. You know, in this

705
00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:56,359
Speaker 6: Super Bowl, it's it's going to be a great game.

706
00:39:56,400 --> 00:39:59,600
Speaker 6: These teams are have played so well all season long,

707
00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:02,720
Speaker 6: been clutched. They played good defense, they played good offense.

708
00:40:02,719 --> 00:40:05,359
Speaker 6: They've been explosive plays, surgical plays. They run the ball,

709
00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:08,480
Speaker 6: they've been explosive runs. They've really found a lot of

710
00:40:08,520 --> 00:40:11,040
Speaker 6: different ways to win. And that's why that's why they're

711
00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:11,880
Speaker 6: playing in this game.

712
00:40:12,360 --> 00:40:14,520
Speaker 1: So you you know, you always get asked about, you know,

713
00:40:14,600 --> 00:40:18,160
Speaker 1: the last week, about Belichick. But I defended Robert Kraft

714
00:40:18,239 --> 00:40:21,520
Speaker 1: this morning and I said, the Patriots have the worst

715
00:40:21,560 --> 00:40:24,120
Speaker 1: record in the league for five years before Robert Kraft

716
00:40:24,120 --> 00:40:27,560
Speaker 1: owned them, from the day Heat bought them until today

717
00:40:27,600 --> 00:40:31,920
Speaker 1: they have the winningest record. And I said, wow, And

718
00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:35,400
Speaker 1: I said, go to the Yankees with George Steinbrenner thirty

719
00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:39,759
Speaker 1: seven years, won seven titles, had twenty three different managers,

720
00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:42,920
Speaker 1: sometimes Billy Martin for a third fourth time, different gms

721
00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:47,560
Speaker 1: and players. I said, we don't like to admit because

722
00:40:47,600 --> 00:40:50,839
Speaker 1: owners are billionaires and they've got their own plane, and

723
00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:55,000
Speaker 1: we the quarterback, the coach, the coordinator. I said, but

724
00:40:55,120 --> 00:40:59,479
Speaker 1: most business people I know I work at Fox. Most

725
00:40:59,480 --> 00:41:02,200
Speaker 1: of us make seven to ten decisions a day, and

726
00:41:02,239 --> 00:41:05,120
Speaker 1: the smarter people make the right one ninety percent of

727
00:41:05,120 --> 00:41:07,239
Speaker 1: the time. And so I said, if you're gonna be

728
00:41:07,239 --> 00:41:10,120
Speaker 1: outraged by Bill, and Bill will get in, then you

729
00:41:10,160 --> 00:41:14,120
Speaker 1: should be equally outraged that Robert Kraft, who has more

730
00:41:14,160 --> 00:41:16,480
Speaker 1: Super Bowls than the rest of the AFC East, the

731
00:41:16,520 --> 00:41:21,160
Speaker 1: AFC South, and the AFC North combined. You don't understand,

732
00:41:21,719 --> 00:41:26,480
Speaker 1: I mean, Washington changed owners Tom twenty four years embarrassing.

733
00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:29,040
Speaker 1: The next year they're in the NFC Championship. I do

734
00:41:29,160 --> 00:41:32,440
Speaker 1: not believe in coincidence. So I want to just address

735
00:41:32,719 --> 00:41:36,279
Speaker 1: the craft part of this, and that he was not

736
00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:41,240
Speaker 1: necessarily a meddler. But I don't believe it's a zany

737
00:41:41,680 --> 00:41:51,799
Speaker 1: happenstance that you guys literally coaching hires, draft development trades

738
00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:54,520
Speaker 1: in season. Could you give me a sense I know

739
00:41:54,560 --> 00:41:57,680
Speaker 1: you were close are close to Robert Kraft. I don't

740
00:41:57,719 --> 00:42:00,520
Speaker 1: think I think fans just think it's all players and coaches.

741
00:42:00,520 --> 00:42:03,799
Speaker 1: I'm like, no, it's the same crappy teams drafting at

742
00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:07,239
Speaker 1: the top every year. It's the owners, the coaches. Now,

743
00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:08,319
Speaker 1: just your thoughts on you.

744
00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:12,240
Speaker 6: Just a great point that you make, and it always

745
00:42:12,280 --> 00:42:15,120
Speaker 6: starts at the top and the leadership. The figurehead of

746
00:42:15,040 --> 00:42:20,920
Speaker 6: the organization is for the Patriots RKK, and it's you know,

747
00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:24,640
Speaker 6: being there for twenty years with him and watching the

748
00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:29,400
Speaker 6: nuances of that ownership role was something for me to

749
00:42:29,520 --> 00:42:34,040
Speaker 6: learn a lot from how he managed different personalities, how

750
00:42:34,080 --> 00:42:36,520
Speaker 6: he can fill in the gaps when he saw them

751
00:42:36,520 --> 00:42:37,680
Speaker 6: and where he saw them.

752
00:42:38,880 --> 00:42:41,320
Speaker 3: He just did the most unbelievable job.

753
00:42:41,800 --> 00:42:43,640
Speaker 6: And it's seeing at firsthand of being a part of it,

754
00:42:44,160 --> 00:42:48,080
Speaker 6: recognizing the importance of that role in a football organization.

755
00:42:48,520 --> 00:42:51,200
Speaker 6: I believe that the owner is the chief accountability officer,

756
00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:54,799
Speaker 6: and you know, you hold everyone to a standard and

757
00:42:55,640 --> 00:42:57,760
Speaker 6: you expect everyone to live up to that and believing

758
00:42:57,840 --> 00:43:00,040
Speaker 6: when the owner's sitting in their team meeting room.

759
00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:02,160
Speaker 3: The players are sitting up a lot straighter.

760
00:43:02,640 --> 00:43:07,319
Speaker 6: The head coaches message is directed a lot more intently,

761
00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:11,839
Speaker 6: and RKK his office was at the stadium. He would

762
00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:14,040
Speaker 6: sit in there, in team meetiums, he would be out

763
00:43:14,040 --> 00:43:15,240
Speaker 6: there on the practice field.

764
00:43:15,560 --> 00:43:16,520
Speaker 3: He would be there at.

765
00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:19,799
Speaker 6: Every road game, shaking people's hands as they walked off

766
00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:25,560
Speaker 6: the field. There's an importance of football that in Patriot

767
00:43:25,600 --> 00:43:29,879
Speaker 6: Football that RKK does not take lightly. And not only that,

768
00:43:30,080 --> 00:43:32,880
Speaker 6: look at the contributions that he's made to the league,

769
00:43:33,400 --> 00:43:38,000
Speaker 6: to the NFL in general, to negotiate media rights deals.

770
00:43:38,160 --> 00:43:41,839
Speaker 6: This is the most popular sport in America. It's you know,

771
00:43:41,920 --> 00:43:45,719
Speaker 6: the thousands of hours that he's spent bringing this game

772
00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:49,120
Speaker 6: to life for the fans. That doesn't go unnoticed. Certainly,

773
00:43:49,120 --> 00:43:51,799
Speaker 6: now that I'm in TV, I understand the amount of

774
00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:53,319
Speaker 6: work it takes for Fox to.

775
00:43:53,239 --> 00:43:54,600
Speaker 3: Actually broadcast the game.

776
00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:58,799
Speaker 6: The partnership that Fox and its partners have with the

777
00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:03,640
Speaker 6: NFL extremely important. That working relationship is so critical to

778
00:44:03,719 --> 00:44:06,680
Speaker 6: this game being you know, spread throughout.

779
00:44:06,400 --> 00:44:08,239
Speaker 3: Our entire country and bringing a lot of joy to

780
00:44:08,280 --> 00:44:08,839
Speaker 3: people's lies.

781
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Speaker 6: So to me, it's not a matter just like Bill

782
00:44:12,200 --> 00:44:14,520
Speaker 6: of if they're going to get in, it's just when

783
00:44:14,560 --> 00:44:17,120
Speaker 6: they're going to get in, right. They're tremendous at what

784
00:44:17,200 --> 00:44:20,560
Speaker 6: they've done in the league and maybe it's not trending

785
00:44:20,600 --> 00:44:21,760
Speaker 6: so well for ex patriots.

786
00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:24,120
Speaker 3: Maybe I should be a little concerns here, but.

787
00:44:24,280 --> 00:44:26,719
Speaker 6: Uh, you know, I think at some point this thing

788
00:44:26,840 --> 00:44:29,479
Speaker 6: is is going to go in everybody's direction the right way.

789
00:44:29,719 --> 00:44:29,880
Speaker 3: You know.

790
00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:32,400
Speaker 1: It's It's what's interesting I want to cap it with

791
00:44:32,440 --> 00:44:35,680
Speaker 1: this is is that you know, Bill could come off

792
00:44:35,680 --> 00:44:39,520
Speaker 1: as very hardened because Bill is that that is his personality.

793
00:44:40,200 --> 00:44:43,399
Speaker 1: And do you think it hurt him for that twenty

794
00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:45,120
Speaker 1: four to forty eight hours when he didn't get in

795
00:44:45,280 --> 00:44:47,760
Speaker 1: just what you know of Bill.

796
00:44:47,840 --> 00:44:52,080
Speaker 6: I actually think in some ways it rallied a lot

797
00:44:52,080 --> 00:44:55,239
Speaker 6: of people who played for Bill and made sure they

798
00:44:55,360 --> 00:44:59,719
Speaker 6: reached out to him to express, you know, how much

799
00:44:59,719 --> 00:45:02,799
Speaker 6: they've appreciated him, which I'm sure felt good for Bill.

800
00:45:03,560 --> 00:45:05,200
Speaker 3: And I said before, it doesn't.

801
00:45:05,400 --> 00:45:07,319
Speaker 6: Look we all want everything in life to happen on

802
00:45:07,360 --> 00:45:09,560
Speaker 6: our time frame and our time schedule. We want everything

803
00:45:09,600 --> 00:45:11,440
Speaker 6: to go when we wanted to go. But the reality

804
00:45:11,560 --> 00:45:15,400
Speaker 6: is that's not life. I actually think it's going to

805
00:45:15,440 --> 00:45:18,919
Speaker 6: work in his favor when he does get in, because

806
00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:21,120
Speaker 6: there's going to be a lot of people that realize

807
00:45:21,160 --> 00:45:24,000
Speaker 6: the impact that he made on their life as a coach,

808
00:45:24,040 --> 00:45:26,200
Speaker 6: as a player, and they're going to be there to

809
00:45:26,239 --> 00:45:29,719
Speaker 6: celebrate him. And this was another opportunity for everybody to

810
00:45:29,760 --> 00:45:32,680
Speaker 6: reach out to him and tell him how much they

811
00:45:32,719 --> 00:45:35,719
Speaker 6: appreciate him, even though he didn't get exactly what he

812
00:45:35,800 --> 00:45:37,560
Speaker 6: probably deserved here the first time around.

813
00:45:38,120 --> 00:45:41,920
Speaker 1: All right, okay, well I didn't hear the construction. According

814
00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:44,560
Speaker 1: to you, it's it's quite a job video. I can't

815
00:45:44,560 --> 00:45:44,880
Speaker 1: hear it.

816
00:45:45,120 --> 00:45:46,960
Speaker 3: Geez all right, good?

817
00:45:47,600 --> 00:45:48,960
Speaker 1: Yeah?

818
00:45:49,360 --> 00:45:49,600
Speaker 3: Great?

819
00:45:49,600 --> 00:45:52,200
Speaker 1: Seniors though, is Tom see my brother?

820
00:45:52,520 --> 00:45:57,560
Speaker 3: Take care, I'll see you, okay, bye, guys, bye bye. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I think it's uh. I said this about Craft, is

822
00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:05,279
Speaker 1: that the Roger Goodell picks an owner. My understanding, he

823
00:46:05,360 --> 00:46:11,200
Speaker 1: picks an owner, a singular owner to negotiate with the

824
00:46:11,280 --> 00:46:15,240
Speaker 1: networks Fox and you know, NBC and all these networks.

825
00:46:15,600 --> 00:46:20,399
Speaker 1: My understanding it was Robert Craft. If the commissioner has

826
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Speaker 1: thirty two billionaires that he can pick and he picks Craft,

827
00:46:24,480 --> 00:46:27,360
Speaker 1: pretty good indication that he trusts him. That's a big

828
00:46:27,480 --> 00:46:30,439
Speaker 1: responsibility in LA. It's their