Speaker 1: I dropped Indy off at school this morning, and uh,
Speaker 1: on the way home, I was like, I am so
Speaker 1: happy right now, Like I'm so excited for the day
Speaker 1: and I'm feeling all fulfilled, and I'm like, what is it?
Speaker 2: Why?
Speaker 3: Why am I feeling so good? And then I realized
Speaker 3: it's because it's raining. I love it. And have you
Speaker 3: guys heard of seasonal effective disorder?
Speaker 4: Sure, the opposite, I have the opposite, right, Okay, you
Speaker 4: have happy?
Speaker 3: Right? I get so happy too, and I have to Okay,
Speaker 3: you're the same way.
Speaker 5: I'm the same way.
Speaker 2: So here's the question.
Speaker 1: And this is I feel like we have so we
Speaker 1: might just have a lot of mental health professional listeners,
Speaker 1: people who do this for a living and can weigh
Speaker 1: in on this. And I'm curious how you guys feel
Speaker 1: about it. Is that like just intrinsic to me that
Speaker 1: I just like cold weather and rain? Or is it
Speaker 1: purely contextual? And if I lived in Seattle, Yeah, and
Speaker 1: I was there for like a month, I'd be miserable.
Speaker 3: You think it's purely I did?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 6: Whatever, you whatever, you constantly have all the time you want,
Speaker 6: anytime it changes, it's good, right, So I feel the
Speaker 6: same way where I hear it ray like there's nothing
Speaker 6: like you wake up in the morning here you hear
Speaker 6: the rain on your rat You're still curled up in bed.
Speaker 2: It's like, oh, this is going to be a magical day.
Speaker 7: But it's also like if you know you're having a
Speaker 7: storm that weekend, and then for just that weekend, you
Speaker 7: change your plans. We're not going to go out, We're
Speaker 7: going to stay in fires hot cocoa. Let's order in
Speaker 7: some food every if every day for months on end,
Speaker 7: you have to go out in the rain, work in
Speaker 7: the rain, see your friends in the rain. Like your
Speaker 7: clothes are always wet, You've got to take a hat
Speaker 7: and your gloves.
Speaker 5: It's like you would just be over it, Okay.
Speaker 1: But then if that's the case, which I pretty much agree,
Speaker 1: then shouldn't the goal for all of us humans be
Speaker 1: to find its variety and seasons?
Speaker 4: Right?
Speaker 1: Like shouldn't we want to live places where they're not
Speaker 1: too extreme?
Speaker 3: But that's just.
Speaker 1: And it never lasts more than like two months in
Speaker 1: one road, right because what ends up happening?
Speaker 3: Right, Like everyone in the East.
Speaker 1: Coast wants to live in Florida or Phoenix or La
Speaker 1: right because they're like especially as they get older.
Speaker 3: It's like that's where everyone retires.
Speaker 1: And I think that's the wrong impulse because then you're
Speaker 1: just going somewhere where it's just always hot, always sunny.
Speaker 6: So I was just in Connecticut last week, and Sue
Speaker 6: was back in Massachusetts, and we always talk about, like
Speaker 6: when we're back there for a very short amount of time,
Speaker 6: we're like, man, you know, living here, I could definitely
Speaker 6: leave LA and just come. And then we go for
Speaker 6: this same week sometimes in August, and the bugs are
Speaker 6: insane and the humidity is awful, and they're like, okay,
Speaker 6: so I wouldn't want to do the summers. And then
Speaker 6: we go in the winter and we're like, oh my god,
Speaker 6: it's cold and awesome. And by day four, where all
Speaker 6: the snow is gray and it's on everything and you're
Speaker 6: stamping stuff out, you're like, well, I don't want to
Speaker 6: be here in the winter either, So then you kind
Speaker 6: of go that doesn't think it.
Speaker 5: Just like spring and spring and spring like spring.
Speaker 2: But the question we literally did this.
Speaker 6: We went on and we were like trying to find
Speaker 6: the place of the happy medium, and what we kind
Speaker 6: of found is certain parts.
Speaker 2: Believe it or not, of Colorado that are.
Speaker 6: Not you're not in the mountains and you're not in
Speaker 6: the lower parts of Colorado, but kind of in the
Speaker 6: middle right there. You know, two towns of Colorado perfect
Speaker 6: perfect weather all the time.
Speaker 2: Okay, So that's where we're just gonna have to congregate.
Speaker 6: Is We're gonna have to find the one town in
Speaker 6: Colorado that is the perfect weather.
Speaker 2: And go there.
Speaker 7: Is it wrong for me to want to cut this
Speaker 7: from the podcast that I just I don't want everyone.
Speaker 5: In Colorado.
Speaker 2: We could commune.
Speaker 1: Let's go, I mean the pod meets commune, invite our listeners,
Speaker 1: we commune, you know, get it gone.
Speaker 3: Danielle can be our cult leader.
Speaker 5: I'm not proposed. I'm not opposed to it.
Speaker 2: Is there gonna be weird sex stuff. We've talked about
Speaker 2: this sect.
Speaker 3: There gonna be a division.
Speaker 5: I don't want to stop anyone, you know, so like
Speaker 5: I would, I was.
Speaker 3: A great leader.
Speaker 1: She she will allow us to form our own little sex.
Speaker 6: Of course it would be the Yes, the Colorado Daniettes
Speaker 6: will be on the news, will definitely make the news
Speaker 6: as the Colorado is like this is a weird hippie commune.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because it always ends well with cults. We'll have
Speaker 2: a documentary that'll.
Speaker 1: Get twenty years from now, there'll be a retrospective that'll
Speaker 1: be like what went wrong exactly? Danielle got power hungry,
Speaker 1: she did all the pangas.
Speaker 3: She made us all court ballroom dancers. For some reason,
Speaker 3: it's like, this is the best workout. This is what
Speaker 3: you need to do. Everyone.
Speaker 4: Everyone your flexibility?
Speaker 5: How is your flexibility?
Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us on Jive Night.
Speaker 3: Let's do it all right? Colorado like, yeah, Boulder.
Speaker 2: Area, we'll find the area. We'll start the colt.
Speaker 7: What about Montana? I like Montana. Montana have some of that.
Speaker 6: I think some of that. Yeah, we're also more off
Speaker 6: the beaten path in Montana. I think we can get
Speaker 6: away with more weird cult stuff. And yeah, although I've never.
Speaker 2: Been Wow really no, it's one of like the three
Speaker 2: states I've never been to. Never been Idaho either.
Speaker 7: So you know, I'm proud of it.
Speaker 3: All right, So we'll start looking at land.
Speaker 1: We're gonna need like probably like five hundred acres if
Speaker 1: we're inviting all of our a lot of land, and
Speaker 1: Montana than Colorado.
Speaker 6: A lot of Oh that's right, daniel is going to
Speaker 6: need a bougie Colt we're gonna be We're gonna be
Speaker 6: flowing all our money.
Speaker 5: If you think this.
Speaker 2: Col there's prices for weird sex stuff.
Speaker 7: Whatever you guys decide to gift me is is up
Speaker 7: to you. I'm not going to ask for anything, but
Speaker 7: as your leader, you may feel like you want to
Speaker 7: gift me things.
Speaker 5: But like there's no there's no like judgment about it.
Speaker 3: Income would be nice to have.
Speaker 7: I mean, tithing is what we do here, and I
Speaker 7: will share it with you, you know, I will. I
Speaker 7: will like when I buy the private jet, we would
Speaker 7: all be able to go on it.
Speaker 6: It all starts like that, and then it's just you
Speaker 6: taking the private jets somewhere, riders bearing bodies.
Speaker 2: In the woods. I mean, it's going to get fat
Speaker 2: because that's going to be your job.
Speaker 5: Oh, I see that. I've just Daniel.
Speaker 2: Is gonna be pointing and it's going to be us
Speaker 2: doing her. And they'd be like you said there was
Speaker 2: a private jet. She's like, there is. It's just not
Speaker 2: for you.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's for me to get out of here when
Speaker 5: the bodies are found.
Speaker 2: Exactly excited.
Speaker 3: God we got there from seasonal effective disorder.
Speaker 1: Well, I'm happy, guys. Time to start a cult free
Speaker 1: show chatter all right in the gutter.
Speaker 5: Welcome to pod meets World. I'm Danielle Fischal, I'm right.
Speaker 2: Or strong, I'm Wilfredell.
Speaker 7: Hey, it's Danielle Fischle, podcaster, TV director, recent Dancing with
Speaker 7: the Stars contestant, and mother of two. But to ninety
Speaker 7: percent of the pop culture stratosphere, I am forever to
Speaker 7: Panga Lawrence, a character I played from the ages twelve
Speaker 7: to nineteen on the nineties family sitcom Boy Meets World.
Speaker 7: I spent my entire teenage years on TV, inside millions
Speaker 7: of homes and in front of a live studio audience.
Speaker 7: From my first kiss to my first haircut, absolutely everything
Speaker 7: was caught on camera. So now, thirty years later, it's
Speaker 7: time to turn the tables. For my new podcast, teen
Speaker 7: Beat with Danielle Fischel, I'll be sitting down with other
Speaker 7: celebrities to unearth the details of their untelevised upbringings. Since
Speaker 7: their first pimple wasn't broadcast as part of the TGIF
Speaker 7: block of shame, the least they can do is share
Speaker 7: it with me. Now, I'm asking guests to open their
Speaker 7: childhood diaries and reveal embarrassing fashion choices, school crushes, dramatic
Speaker 7: friend fallouts, using our nostalgic and awkward pasts as a
Speaker 7: roadmap to understand who we are today, and you, as listeners,
Speaker 7: will also get to share your stories with us. I
Speaker 7: promise we won't laugh too much. So it's time to
Speaker 7: make things fair. I gave you my childhood, It's time
Speaker 7: I hear yours. Listen to teen Beat with Daniel Fishle
Speaker 7: starting on January seventh on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts,
Speaker 7: or wherever you get your podcasts.
Speaker 8: I'm Kristin Davis, host of the podcast Are You a Charlotte?
Speaker 8: The most anticipated guest from season three is here the
Speaker 8: Tray to My Charlotte. Kyle McGlaughlin joins me to relive
Speaker 8: all of the magical Tray in Charlotte moments. He reveals
Speaker 8: what he thinks of Trey giving Charlotte a cardboard baby.
Speaker 9: Why would I bring her a cardboard baby? I was
Speaker 9: literally I was like, this doesn't track for me at all.
Speaker 8: When he found out Trey's shortcomings, I'm.
Speaker 9: Kind of excited to talk about. You know, I think
Speaker 9: he's a guy spends time in Central Park. You know,
Speaker 9: he's probably don't need to be some surgery stuff, you know,
Speaker 9: And I was like, all this kind of stuff going on,
Speaker 9: and they were like yeah, yeah, yeah, fine, and they said,
Speaker 9: but he's impotent, and I was like, he's.
Speaker 8: Impotent, and why he chose not to return to it?
Speaker 9: Just like that, they came and presented an idea and
Speaker 9: I was like, I get I see it.
Speaker 2: It's so kind of a one joke idea.
Speaker 4: You don't want to miss this.
Speaker 8: Listen to Are you a Charlotte on the iHeartRadio app,
Speaker 8: Apple podcast, Yes, or wherever you get your podcasts.
Speaker 7: It is a rare occurrence that we get offered a
Speaker 7: podcast guest who perfectly captures what it felt like to
Speaker 7: be a young actor in the wild and wonderful world
Speaker 7: of the nineties and early two thousands. Whether it's the auditions,
Speaker 7: the heartbreak, the friendships, the rapid fire fame.
Speaker 5: Or the supposed big breaks that.
Speaker 7: Were canceled during season one, they are all topics we
Speaker 7: hope to address with honesty and humor on the podcast,
Speaker 7: but very little of us have done it as well
Speaker 7: or effortlessly as this week's guest. Before she became the
Speaker 7: multi hyphen a force she is now, she was also
Speaker 7: one of those kids hustling between sets, memorizing lines in
Speaker 7: the car, and navigating an industry that didn't exactly hand
Speaker 7: out survival guides from Freaks and Geeks to Dawson's Creek.
Speaker 7: As a young adult, she was part of shows that
Speaker 7: helped define a generation. She's one of those rare people
Speaker 7: who can make you laugh, make you think, and make
Speaker 7: you feel slightly better about the absolute chaos of your
Speaker 7: own youth. Because she has been extremely open about hers,
Speaker 7: we love a guest who's lived it, learned from it,
Speaker 7: and isn't afraid to give you the whole story. So
Speaker 7: please welcome to Pod meets World. Busy Phillips.
Speaker 4: Hi, guys, Hi, Hi, thank you so much for being here.
Speaker 4: I rilled.
Speaker 7: I have to ask this question. How many people do
Speaker 7: you tell to go watch the movie The Gift? Because
Speaker 7: it is a criminally underrated masterpiece. I tell everyone about it.
Speaker 4: I'm in it. I know, I'm not even kidding. I
Speaker 4: don't think I've ever seen it. What Yeah? And in fact,
Speaker 4: my god like my godson, my best friend's son, who's
Speaker 4: uh nineteen, Now, I guess woa. He texted me not
Speaker 4: long ago and he's like, WHOA, I'm watching the craziest
Speaker 4: movie and.
Speaker 5: It's so good in your yes, it's so.
Speaker 4: Joel Edgerton right here wrote it and directed it.
Speaker 7: It is an incredible movie. And I literally talk to
Speaker 7: everybody about it.
Speaker 5: At some point.
Speaker 7: It comes up like underrated movies that people need to see.
Speaker 5: You've got to see The Gift. Writer will walk us
Speaker 5: through this, okay.
Speaker 7: It's a really great movie about a guy who was
Speaker 7: bullied or not treated very well as a kid who
Speaker 7: comes back into this kind of family's life.
Speaker 4: And Hall and Jason Bateman right correct, and it's kind
Speaker 4: of a dream team. It's a thriller, but that's also
Speaker 4: got some comedy in it.
Speaker 5: But it is. It's just good.
Speaker 7: It's riveting, and it's criminally underrated and nobody knows about it.
Speaker 5: And I'm always like, you have to see The Gift.
Speaker 5: So anyway it I know, it feels like a real shame.
Speaker 4: It is, but I think it was like one of
Speaker 4: those times in my life where I had very small children.
Speaker 4: I mean, I know it was okay, I had like
Speaker 4: like Cricket was still like a baby basically, and and
Speaker 4: I was filming Cougartown I think at the same.
Speaker 5: Time, and things going on.
Speaker 4: I did and like, and so I couldn't go to
Speaker 4: the premiere of it. And then, you know, I don't
Speaker 4: know about you guys as performers as actors, but I
Speaker 4: do find it a little strange sometimes to like just
Speaker 4: I'm gonna sit down and watch myself. So I never
Speaker 4: really saw the movie. Ye, but honestly, you're selling it
Speaker 4: to me.
Speaker 7: I want to see I want everyone to watch it
Speaker 7: this weekend. It's a rainy weekend in Los Angeles. Just
Speaker 7: please put on put on the gift.
Speaker 6: It's a twenty fifteen psychological thriller or a couple encounters
Speaker 6: a figure from the husband's past who begins to torment
Speaker 6: them with unsettling gifts.
Speaker 2: Yefts.
Speaker 4: And they had a really I do remember this because
Speaker 4: a few people had reached out to me. They had
Speaker 4: a really funny marketing campaign where they would they were
Speaker 4: finding out I mean, these are twenty fifteen, it's like
Speaker 4: sort of the early days of influencing, influencer marketing. But
Speaker 4: they like found out weird things about actors and influencers
Speaker 4: and sent them get creepy presents, yes, like based on
Speaker 4: like things they couldn't have known. I actually remember I
Speaker 4: remember the marketing campaign more because I feel like people
Speaker 4: were reaching out to me like, what is this That is.
Speaker 5: This thing that you guys are doing.
Speaker 6: You should also not confuse it with the Gift from
Speaker 6: two thousand with Kate Blanchette and Holmes.
Speaker 4: Is in it? Kate Holmes, isn't that gift? Okay?
Speaker 5: Right?
Speaker 3: Gotcha?
Speaker 2: And Hillary Swank?
Speaker 5: Wow Holmes and Swank.
Speaker 7: Yeah, all right, Well, I want to start now that
Speaker 7: I've gotten that movie out of the way, I want
Speaker 7: to start with your acting origin story. You were raised
Speaker 7: in Arizona, right, You were a Scottsdale Chaparral grad.
Speaker 4: Yes, that's correct, correct? Was he? You got it nailed?
Speaker 7: It was Hollywood always in your sights growing up.
Speaker 4: Were you a theater kid? Yeah, I it at all.
Speaker 4: And I like, from the time when I was in
Speaker 4: elementary school wanted to I was watching you guys, and
Speaker 4: I was like, why am I not there yet? And
Speaker 4: my mom was like, because busy, I'm not giving up
Speaker 4: my life for you, and I was like, okay, fair, fair,
Speaker 4: Now that I have she was a real estate agent,
Speaker 4: my dad's an engineer. I mean, they're retired now, but
Speaker 4: I really relate to this deeply now because my own
Speaker 4: seventeen year old daughter has done some acting, and there's
Speaker 4: just nothing worse than being a parent on set.
Speaker 7: I know, I know Rider is also starting to experience
Speaker 7: this a little bit.
Speaker 4: Yeah, writer, how old is.
Speaker 3: Your He's only ten, he's turning eleven. So far, he's
Speaker 3: only done voiceover. That's like all we're allowing him to do.
Speaker 4: Uh huh.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean it's mostly I mean since his voiceover,
Speaker 1: it's not that bad, but it's pretty boring, and it's
Speaker 1: just so hard to keep your mouth shut and you
Speaker 1: just have to like go and be like the person
Speaker 1: that nobody cares about, nobody wants on the set, and
Speaker 1: you just have to sort of be like, yep, here
Speaker 1: I am. I guess I'll just read my book and
Speaker 1: hope my kid is well directed because I know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and then like there have been times when somebody's not
Speaker 1: great at giving him notes and I just want to
Speaker 1: jump in and be liked me.
Speaker 4: Just wait, I fully did that this summer. I like
Speaker 4: actually was like told the director what to say to
Speaker 4: her to like so funny, Well.
Speaker 7: You know her better than they do. You know, what's
Speaker 7: going to get something out of her more than they will.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And I just felt like I could just see it.
Speaker 4: I just saw her the wheels turning in her brain,
Speaker 4: and I was like, I know exactly what you need
Speaker 4: to say to her to get her to do what
Speaker 4: you need her to do. Yeah, but it is wild.
Speaker 4: So anyway, that was so my mom was like, no, rightfully,
Speaker 4: So your parents were all saints, I imagine, and uh
Speaker 4: or I don't know, I don't I actually no idea,
Speaker 4: but they were also I mean, I read Jeanett McCarty's book, you.
Speaker 7: Know what I mean. We didn't have any of that
Speaker 7: experience on this.
Speaker 4: This is fantastic. But uh, I was always planning to
Speaker 4: go to Los Angeles for college because I wanted to
Speaker 4: start working as soon as I could. And in my
Speaker 4: junior and senior year of high school in Arizona, I
Speaker 4: like got a local agent and I got a local
Speaker 4: commercial and I did this Mattel Toy fair job as
Speaker 4: a barbie, a live barbie, which was like an acting
Speaker 4: job in quotation marks and.
Speaker 5: What kind of barbie were you?
Speaker 4: I was the Clueless doll from the TV show, The
Speaker 4: Clueless TV show that was based on the movie.
Speaker 7: Okay, yeah, that starting show was on for a period
Speaker 7: of time.
Speaker 4: Correct, Correct, and I was in high school when I heard,
Speaker 4: like on you know, the radio, the morning news radio,
Speaker 4: that they were casting a clueless TV show, and I
Speaker 4: was like, oh, I have to be share. I mean
Speaker 4: obviously it was like already cast because I'm in Arizona
Speaker 4: listening to it on the news. And that was what
Speaker 4: like forced me or what I how I convinced my
Speaker 4: mom that I needed to get a local agent because
Speaker 4: I was like, I want to audition for the Clueless
Speaker 4: TV show, which obviously it was already cast. But then
Speaker 4: I got this job being the Clueless doll for Mattel
Speaker 4: the next year, and honestly the I met an actress
Speaker 4: from LA who was a Barbie girl as well. Her
Speaker 4: name is Lisa Guerrero, and she introduced me. When I
Speaker 4: moved to LA and I went to Loyal Marymunt University,
Speaker 4: she introduced me to the woman that became my first manager.
Speaker 4: Oh signed me and then like got my agents and
Speaker 4: then it just was like very quick after.
Speaker 2: That, did you slide? Did you slide down the LMU letters?
Speaker 6: No?
Speaker 4: Is that a thing?
Speaker 2: Of course?
Speaker 6: That's I got into LMU and was going to go
Speaker 6: and so I spent like a week there to figure
Speaker 6: out what I was going to do, and everyone's like,
Speaker 6: you gotta slide down the letters. So they brought everybody
Speaker 6: to the LMU letters and slid down the letters.
Speaker 5: Yeah wait what No, I didn't know about that.
Speaker 4: I wouldn't have done that.
Speaker 5: You can still do it, maybe, you know.
Speaker 7: I was too busy working, never too old to slide
Speaker 7: down the lula.
Speaker 1: Wait when you went to LMU, were you going for
Speaker 1: acting film or were you doing a backup option?
Speaker 4: No, I was going for like I was the theater
Speaker 4: major and an English minor. But I was really sort
Speaker 4: of like Laser, focused on getting an agent as soon
Speaker 4: as I could and trying to start working. And so
Speaker 4: the summer after my freshman year, I went and did
Speaker 4: a drama program in England and at the Oxford School
Speaker 4: of Drama, Like there's summer program. It was really fun
Speaker 4: and then, uh, you know who did it? Do you
Speaker 4: know the actor Zach knighton do you know Happy Endings?
Speaker 4: You know that show?
Speaker 5: Yeah, he was.
Speaker 4: On that show. Anyway, he and I were there together
Speaker 4: in England. And then I came back and Lorraine, you know,
Speaker 4: I went and auditioned for agents and I got, you know,
Speaker 4: a small agency picked picked me up, and then that's
Speaker 4: spring that pilot season. I got Freaks and Geeks.
Speaker 7: That's what I was going to ask you. How quickly then,
Speaker 7: did you read for Freaks and Geeks?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean it was right away, Yeah, it was
Speaker 4: right away.
Speaker 5: What was that audition process?
Speaker 4: Like it was really fast?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 7: Did you know anything about like did you know of
Speaker 7: jud Apatow or Paul Figue No, no, because they I
Speaker 7: mean Jud had done Larry Sanders, but I did.
Speaker 4: We didn't have HBO growing up, so I didn't. I
Speaker 4: didn't know really what it was. And I think Paul
Speaker 4: had just written the movie Heavyweights at the time, but
Speaker 4: like I didn't, I didn't know what that movie was.
Speaker 4: And I had gone in for a general meeting at
Speaker 4: NBC and Grace Wu, who's now I believe the head
Speaker 4: of casting for all of NBC UH was one of
Speaker 4: the associate casting people at NBC, and she really was
Speaker 4: lovely to me and liked me a lot. In my
Speaker 4: general meeting and she's like, you know, we have this pilot.
Speaker 4: I'll give you the script. You should read it, but
Speaker 4: you should definitely go in for it. Alison Jones is
Speaker 4: casting it. It's called Freaks and Geeks, and I remember,
Speaker 4: like literally remember her pulling the script out and handing
Speaker 4: it to me. And I had auditioned for Roswell. That
Speaker 4: was the same season as Roswell that my college boyfriend
Speaker 4: Colin Hanks got cast on Wow. So I had auditioned
Speaker 4: for Alison for Roswell, and so she brought me right
Speaker 4: in there was I didn't pre read. You know, guys,
Speaker 4: if you're listening to this, I'm sure you know, but
Speaker 4: a preread is where you read just for the casting director. Yeah,
Speaker 4: so I got to just go straight to the producers.
Speaker 4: And I was auditioning for Lindsay Weir for the main
Speaker 4: girl because kim Kelly wasn't a character yet in the pilot.
Speaker 4: And I did my read and then I think it
Speaker 4: was I think it was Paul that was like, hey, busy,
Speaker 4: we have this other part. Would you take a look
Speaker 4: at it and come back in and give it a shot.
Speaker 4: And so, you know, it was like one of those things.
Speaker 4: I went outside for ten minutes and then went back
Speaker 4: in and did my Kim Kelly audition, which is in
Speaker 4: the DVD extras if anybody has them, and uh, and
Speaker 4: from that I was cast on the show because they
Speaker 4: didn't test that part. I didn't have to screen test
Speaker 4: for that part because it was initially just a guest
Speaker 4: star for the for the pilot, which is also why
Speaker 4: I'm not in the opening credits. But they added me
Speaker 4: as a series regular after the show got picked up.
Speaker 1: Wait, so you can watch your audition from yea from
Speaker 1: back then. How do you feel about it now when
Speaker 1: you watch it back? Are you like, oh, that makes sense?
Speaker 1: Or are you like what were they thinking?
Speaker 4: Well, it's so funny because I did a podcast like
Speaker 4: a year and a half ago and they played it
Speaker 4: for me like I hadn't watched it, and so, I mean,
Speaker 4: I hadn't watched it in so long and they played
Speaker 4: it for me, and I mean, it's really cute. Don't
Speaker 4: you die when you look at when you watch yourselves?
Speaker 2: Hmm?
Speaker 7: Yeah, I don't like it. I don't love it. You
Speaker 7: don't want, you know, not really.
Speaker 2: For the most part, I love watching myself. I hate
Speaker 2: watching both of them.
Speaker 5: Difference.
Speaker 7: That sounds about right. So did you not have to
Speaker 7: chemistry test with everyone? Like as the cast was rounding
Speaker 7: out there was none of that. You basically just auditioned
Speaker 7: for the producers went out for ten minutes, came back
Speaker 7: read for Kim Kelly and then that was it.
Speaker 4: You had the job, and that was it. They to
Speaker 4: be the job. But what was crazy is that Linda
Speaker 4: Cardelini and Linda Cardlini and I have the same birthday,
Speaker 4: but she is four years older than me, and she was,
Speaker 4: I guess technically like on a break from LMU because
Speaker 4: she had been working so much. But so she was
Speaker 4: essentially like a senior when I was a freshman, but
Speaker 4: she wasn't go actively going to school, but she was around,
Speaker 4: like I knew because the theater department, like everybody knew her.
Speaker 4: She was kind of like the star of the theater department.
Speaker 4: And so I was already friends with her. And I
Speaker 4: ran into her at LAX when I was picking up
Speaker 4: my boyfriend Colin Hanks and she was picking up her roommate.
Speaker 4: And remember when you were young and you had to
Speaker 4: pick people up at the airport.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, well now you're married, I still have to.
Speaker 7: Still doesn't he doesn't do the uber situation. He just
Speaker 7: goes and picks people up.
Speaker 4: Well, you're maybe a good person.
Speaker 2: I like to think.
Speaker 6: So I love my wife too, She's pretty cool. So yeah,
Speaker 6: I'd rather go pick her up.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, that's rad. Well anyway, I ran into her
Speaker 4: and she had just gotten the part, and I had
Speaker 4: been offered the part of Kim Kelly, and my agents
Speaker 4: at the time were a little bit like, we don't
Speaker 4: know if you should do it because it's just a
Speaker 4: guest star and it's early in pilot season and we
Speaker 4: feel like you're going to get a Silens regular like
Speaker 4: a pilot you know, it's like one of those things
Speaker 4: where and I really didn't know what to do. But
Speaker 4: running into Linda, she was like, dude, I just got it,
Speaker 4: and jud told me that you're going to be Kim Kelly.
Speaker 4: They want you for Kim Kelly. You go, you gotta
Speaker 4: do it. And it just was like as soon as
Speaker 4: I saw her and found that out, I was like, oh,
Speaker 4: well that obviously this is what I'm doing. Because also
Speaker 4: I was so nervous to do my first actual real
Speaker 4: job and to have someone like Linda with next to
Speaker 4: me or you know, sort of showing me the ropes.
Speaker 4: I mean, she taught me everything from like what to
Speaker 4: order at craft services to like how to make your
Speaker 4: trailer really how to turn on the heat and your
Speaker 4: trailer yes, and then like all the on camera stuff
Speaker 4: Like she's like, I like to pick a place to
Speaker 4: look like, I didn't know, you don't know any of
Speaker 4: that stuff. Yeah right, I mean you guys were kids
Speaker 4: who taught you our directors.
Speaker 1: Yeah, on set we were so young, it was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: you had to just be told like open to camera,
Speaker 1: you know in multicam, like that whole idea of like
Speaker 1: pulling your shoulders and standing on your.
Speaker 2: Lap, do all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely, definitely, But wait, so you hadn't taken any
Speaker 1: like on camera acting classes.
Speaker 3: It was all theater stuff up until then.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they didn't even like I don't even think that
Speaker 4: they kind of I don't think they offered that at LMA,
Speaker 4: Like I don't think that was in anything. And I
Speaker 4: mean I didn't have a ton of I worked at
Speaker 4: California Pizza Kitchen. I didn't like have a ton of money.
Speaker 4: So I wasn't like paying to do those classes. You
Speaker 4: would see, you know, the film acting or you know
Speaker 4: acting for the camera classes. You would like see you
Speaker 4: know whatever advertised all over town. Right, So I don't.
Speaker 4: I just didn't. And I was a kid. I mean
Speaker 4: I was like nineteen, I got Yeah, I was nineteen.
Speaker 2: I'm curious which CPK you worked at?
Speaker 4: Marina del Ray, honey.
Speaker 6: That's so when my brother moved out to Los Angeles
Speaker 6: for a year back in nineteen eighty something, that's.
Speaker 2: Where he worked.
Speaker 6: We really the marina run the Marina Delway CPK, and
Speaker 6: he left with a bunch of recipes and we still
Speaker 6: make the bar. I have the barbecue chicken pizza two
Speaker 6: nights ago at our house.
Speaker 5: Who has the buttercake recipe? Do they do?
Speaker 4: They offer that?
Speaker 5: Oh?
Speaker 2: Good question, we have we can find it.
Speaker 4: Okay, what's the buttercake? What is that from? CPK?
Speaker 6: Oh?
Speaker 5: Yeah, so good.
Speaker 7: I get it every year on my birthday and Mother's Day. Wow,
Speaker 7: sometimes when it's.
Speaker 1: Just a Wednesday and you might get it later today.
Speaker 1: And now that we're talking about it, and I just.
Speaker 4: Tell you, I really love that. You guys like Alforni
Speaker 4: you Pizza Kitchen.
Speaker 5: It's one of my favorite restaurants.
Speaker 3: I could do without it. Me too. Chicken and pizza
Speaker 3: not right.
Speaker 6: Sure, don't eat that, don't don't get you tell your
Speaker 6: pizza so don't even start talking to me.
Speaker 7: Is incredible, the best, the best thing ever. When they
Speaker 7: took it away for a while used to make a
Speaker 7: b L T pizza which is really also came back pizzo,
Speaker 7: the Kung Pou spaghetti with shrimp.
Speaker 3: Good franking food, making great.
Speaker 2: Salads to salad.
Speaker 3: Good salads.
Speaker 7: Yeah, chicken salad with no tomatoes add avocado.
Speaker 4: Oh my god, I'm extra tomatoes.
Speaker 5: I could do without tomatoes. Take them away. I'll get you.
Speaker 2: There's good food. So writers not interested?
Speaker 1: Yeah, welcome back to PODK.
Speaker 4: I like, I hate that I live in New York
Speaker 4: now and there's no California pea to kitchen here. And
Speaker 4: I did an ad campaign for them last year, and
Speaker 4: I because they turned forty last year, which is crazy.
Speaker 2: Can you go belly it?
Speaker 4: Oh that's a good question.
Speaker 3: I mean in the freezer section.
Speaker 2: So true.
Speaker 4: But I was trying to convince them to do a
Speaker 4: pop up in New York and they were like, I
Speaker 4: mean we're I think we're okay. I was like, okay,
Speaker 4: we're good.
Speaker 7: We're good on that thing. So we're not going to
Speaker 7: go to the market where nobody knows who we are.
Speaker 7: That's not that's not a great idea. Did you know
Speaker 7: how good Freaks and Geeks was while you were making it?
Speaker 4: Yes, I think we did. I'm not in the pilot,
Speaker 4: not during the pilot, I don't know what, because I
Speaker 4: was also just like I have no idea what's happening,
Speaker 4: you know what I mean. But I think once we started,
Speaker 4: once I saw the pilot, I was like, oh, wow,
Speaker 4: this is a thing, Like this is real, and not
Speaker 4: only that, like really good, uh because I think tonally
Speaker 4: I sort of just didn't even on or stand what
Speaker 4: it was. I mean talk about it was ahead of
Speaker 4: its time, right, So so I think it was really
Speaker 4: hard even for me. But I was a huge my
Speaker 4: so called life fan, and so it like sort of
Speaker 4: reminded me of that, but funnier and anyway, Yeah, I
Speaker 4: think once we started filming the series, we all had
Speaker 4: this understanding that what we were doing was really great.
Speaker 4: And you know then also, like I said, my college
Speaker 4: boyfriend Colin Hanks was on Roswell and they were filming basically, well,
Speaker 4: they were filming at Paramount across the street from we
Speaker 4: were at Raleigh Studios in Hollywood, So it was kind
Speaker 4: of like perfect fun and yeah, you know, like all
Speaker 4: those kids and our cast would hang out and it
Speaker 4: was just really great.
Speaker 7: Well, it's definitely become one of the seminal shows of
Speaker 7: its generation. It's but it's an infamous first season cancelation,
Speaker 7: winning an EM once it was already off the air,
Speaker 7: but sparked the careers of not only You, seth Rogen,
Speaker 7: Jason Siegel, John Francis Day, Martin Starr. It's a stacked
Speaker 7: launching pad. But yeah, at the time that it then
Speaker 7: didn't take off, was that absolutely devastating?
Speaker 4: Yes? Yeah, it was crazy and I just felt like,
Speaker 4: now what right?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 5: You're like that was incredible? How did that not go?
Speaker 2: You can only go downhill from there? Is what you
Speaker 2: think when you leave, Like, what do I do now?
Speaker 4: But I think that's right. I mean I think that's right.
Speaker 4: Like we I really was. So my world was rocked.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, But within the industry it was beloved, right,
Speaker 1: I mean, like everyone knew that it was a good
Speaker 1: show with a stacked cast.
Speaker 3: You didn't feel that you didn't eventually.
Speaker 4: Feel that didn't Yes, but that didn't happen for years. Wow, right,
Speaker 4: Like this was nineteen ninety nine.
Speaker 6: It does have a special place in Hollywood where it's
Speaker 6: it's one of those shows like like Leslie Nielsen's Original
Speaker 6: Police Squad where it's it was so ahead of its
Speaker 6: time that you do six, eight, ten episodes and then
Speaker 6: people find it years later and they go, what the hell,
Speaker 6: how is this not the biggest thing on TV? And
Speaker 6: so yeah, there's there's what I'm trying to think, four
Speaker 6: or five shows in history of television.
Speaker 1: I feel like I knew about it back then, Like
Speaker 1: I feel like it was when it was happening. There
Speaker 1: was conversation when was Linda on our show in relation
Speaker 1: to After?
Speaker 3: It was after four?
Speaker 5: It was four.
Speaker 4: Because that was it was a big deal at LMU
Speaker 4: that she was on. I totally forgot about this, Like
Speaker 4: we all watched it. This was a huge deal. Okay,
Speaker 4: so she did after Wow.
Speaker 3: So that so you guys were doing ninety eight, ninety
Speaker 3: nine then were it was? It was.
Speaker 4: Ninety nine pilot season, and then it was ninety nine,
Speaker 4: two thousand, canceling two thousand. We did nineteen episodes.
Speaker 9: Wow.
Speaker 2: So she had already broken up Corey into Panga by
Speaker 2: that point.
Speaker 4: Yeah, she was already the villain.
Speaker 5: She was already a villain.
Speaker 7: It, by the way, won an Emmy for Outstanding Casting
Speaker 7: for a Comedy.
Speaker 3: S Oh yeah, Alison Y. Yeah, she's a legend, man.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean Alison Jones incredible.
Speaker 1: I mean she cast the original pilot for Boyby World too,
Speaker 1: so she did yeah, yeah, which means she only she
Speaker 1: cast me in this call and the only one. But yeah,
Speaker 1: because she she did the pilot and then I don't
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't even really remember meeting her, but
Speaker 1: that's who I auditioned for the first time. And then yeah,
Speaker 1: so she put the original pilot together of Boybe World
Speaker 1: and then recast and then you know, changed as we went.
Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, she's amazing. Yeah, look at you look
Speaker 1: at her work and you're like, oh, she like literally
Speaker 1: found so many people before they were anybody, and she
Speaker 1: always goes for the interesting choice and the good actor.
Speaker 3: It's yeh, she's amazing.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's very she's very cool. Yeah.
Speaker 6: Well that was the other thing about Freaks and Keys
Speaker 6: at the time is we're we're in the late nineties
Speaker 6: early aughts at this point, so you're still in beautiful
Speaker 6: teenage shows. It was all gorgeous people standing there and
Speaker 6: and geeks as you know, obviously Linda's beautiful, busy, beautiful,
Speaker 6: but they were they came off as real. It was
Speaker 6: like they were they were casting for real people as
Speaker 6: opposed to just it's soap opera actors but that can
Speaker 6: hit their marks for a sitcom, it was freaking and
Speaker 6: Geeks was like, can we can we cast some real
Speaker 6: people that can act and are funny and amazing and
Speaker 6: you want to watch? And that was that kind of
Speaker 6: started a whole new trend in television in the early odds.
Speaker 6: It got away from from being like, who's who's the
Speaker 6: best looking guy.
Speaker 2: And girl we can put on this show? It was like,
Speaker 2: who's who's the best?
Speaker 4: Part? Well, I think it's also was like that era
Speaker 4: of teen shows. It was like right when Dawson's Creek
Speaker 4: had come out, you know, it was like a year
Speaker 4: and a half a year or two after that, so
Speaker 4: it was like Felicity and Dawson's Creek and the WBU
Speaker 4: was really like having its moment right and they were
Speaker 4: casting the most beautiful people objectively and not for nothing.
Speaker 4: I actually I think that in that world, like I
Speaker 4: didn't I wasn't that. I did not I wasn't hot
Speaker 4: like that, you know what I mean? Like I wasn't
Speaker 4: a hot teen. I'm actually like a super hot forty
Speaker 4: woman in her forties. But like, but like I wasn't
Speaker 4: I really wasn't a hot. I wasn't hot as a teenager.
Speaker 4: I was like weird and a little I don't know
Speaker 4: like and I wasn't like that era was very specific
Speaker 4: of what the beauty was, do you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 4: and that I just did not I didn't really fit
Speaker 4: into it. I remember reading a review of Freaks and
Speaker 4: Geeks that was like, you won't find any beautiful people here,
Speaker 4: and I was a little bit like, well, I mean, okay,
Speaker 4: and that's.
Speaker 3: All right right.
Speaker 4: I was like, yeah, Hey.
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Speaker 7: Well, soon after Freaks and Geeks, you find yourself cast
Speaker 7: on another show every young actor wished they were on,
Speaker 7: including all of us on the Zoom And that's Dawson's Creek.
Speaker 7: Before you join the cast in season five, had you
Speaker 7: been watching it like everyone else?
Speaker 4: Now, I missed it. It wasn't me. It wasn't for me.
Speaker 4: Waits Actually, I still have never watched.
Speaker 5: Oh that's so funny. You've never seen anything you've been in.
Speaker 4: I know. I mean that's not necessarily true. I definitely
Speaker 4: have watched things I've been at, but like, yeah, I
Speaker 4: just wasn't. I wasn't. There were people in my college,
Speaker 4: like freshman year who definitely watched Dawson's every week one
Speaker 4: hundred percent. I did watch Felicity. I was a Felicity girl.
Speaker 4: I loved that show and then became friends with Scott
Speaker 4: Speedman years later, and it always cracks me up. It
Speaker 4: still cracks me up. He's like, I just love him,
Speaker 4: But yeah, like, I don't know what else did I watch?
Speaker 4: I don't know what I was watching.
Speaker 7: Well, sometimes joining a cast in season five can be
Speaker 7: a little daunting. Everybody's already super close and everyone has
Speaker 7: their own way of doing things. Did you feel welcome
Speaker 7: right off the bat in that cast, on that set.
Speaker 4: Yeah, No, I mean I think it's like very I
Speaker 4: think being a guest star on any long running show
Speaker 4: coming in for one episode is like the scariest thing.
Speaker 4: I was added to the cast. I had to test.
Speaker 4: I had to do like a full studio network test
Speaker 4: for it, and they were adding me, and they I
Speaker 4: think they tested Chad Michael Murray for he was sort
Speaker 4: of recurring that year. I don't know, it was. Yeah,
Speaker 4: it was like intimidating also because it wasn't being filmed
Speaker 4: in LA. It was in Wilmington, North Carolina, So I
Speaker 4: basically had to like relocate right to a place you're
Speaker 4: not familiar with at all, and I didn't know where
Speaker 4: to live, and like it was Yeah, it was hard.
Speaker 4: It was and I was twenty one, Like it was
Speaker 4: very It was tricky, and it was less that like
Speaker 4: they were all so close at that point. They were
Speaker 4: all just like this was the job, and they all
Speaker 4: had their own lives, you know, that were established, like
Speaker 4: really well established. But Michelle and I met the first
Speaker 4: person I met when I got to town. Everybody was
Speaker 4: put up in the same small, little boutique hotel in Wilmington.
Speaker 4: It was called literally the Woman Tonian. I know, I
Speaker 4: don't know if it still is, but that's what it was.
Speaker 4: And uh, James Vanderbeek was staying there because he like
Speaker 4: something had happened with his house or he was something.
Speaker 4: I don't know, I don't remember what happened, but like
Speaker 4: some construction or something, and he couldn't move in yet.
Speaker 4: And so I met him first, and he was so nice,
Speaker 4: and he was like, I've heard the best things about you.
Speaker 4: I heard your audition was incredible. Like, he was so nice.
Speaker 4: And then Michelle was across the street at this little
Speaker 4: like stop and go place, picking up like gatorade and
Speaker 4: fig Newton's and she walked across the street. Well, I
Speaker 4: love fig Newton's. We used, Michelle and I still joke that,
Speaker 4: like we thought that fig Newton's were health food, right,
Speaker 4: I know, the cookies they're cooking, they're absolutely a dessert.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I thought it was like like an energy bar.
Speaker 6: It is, yeah, and the more you eat, the healthier
Speaker 6: they get.
Speaker 5: Great.
Speaker 4: I think that that's.
Speaker 2: The thing that people don't know about Fig notes fig
Speaker 2: is in the title.
Speaker 3: That's right.
Speaker 5: I could eat a whole sleeve exactly.
Speaker 2: It's figs and.
Speaker 3: Pizza is amazing.
Speaker 1: And again, do you have cream cheese, cream cheese and figure
Speaker 1: in the pineapple guy?
Speaker 2: You don't get to throw shade at other people's pizza.
Speaker 4: That's like I definitely agree. But yeah, and so then
Speaker 4: she and I met and then like sort of instantly
Speaker 4: fell in love. And we had had mutual friends tell
Speaker 4: us that we would get along, so we were already
Speaker 4: sort of set up to be friends like each other.
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, Well you all recently reunited recently on Broadway
Speaker 7: to raise money for the f cancer charity in James
Speaker 7: Vanderbeek's name. Did anything surprise you about jumping back into
Speaker 7: your character almost twenty five years later?
Speaker 4: Well, I didn't play my character because I wasn't because
Speaker 4: we did we did a stage reading of the pilot,
Speaker 4: and so like Kur Smith and Meredith Monroe and myself,
Speaker 4: and I'm trying to think if there was anyone else
Speaker 4: we weren't in the pilot, and all had been added
Speaker 4: to the cast at various points after. So Michelle and I,
Speaker 4: you know, when James was diagnosed with cancer, it was
Speaker 4: really you know, it was horrible, and he's got this
Speaker 4: beautiful family, and you know, we all reached out to
Speaker 4: him and Michelle, Michelle and Katie and I like sent
Speaker 4: them some stuff like this, you know, I think it
Speaker 4: was it like a year ago or something. And then
Speaker 4: right after the New year, Michelle was just like, we
Speaker 4: should do something. We just should do something. And so
Speaker 4: she and I started to think about, like, well, what
Speaker 4: would a live show be and what could we even do?
Speaker 4: And you know, I do so many like live stage
Speaker 4: shows of things that like I used to do at
Speaker 4: Largo all the time in LA and the Bellhouse here
Speaker 4: in New York, and I took my podcast out. I'm like,
Speaker 4: we can do something on a stage. Her husband, Thomas Cale,
Speaker 4: Tommy Cale, is the director of Hamilton, so we knew
Speaker 4: that that theater would probably be open to helping us out.
Speaker 4: The Richard Rogers, they were so lovely and so we
Speaker 4: started to put this thing together. We called Katie and
Speaker 4: she came over and we like, we're like, what if
Speaker 4: we did the pilot. We should re read the pilot.
Speaker 4: We could do a stage tading where we could do
Speaker 4: like a night of song. Like we we're just trying
Speaker 4: to like figure out some yeah, but like getting everyone
Speaker 4: it was just so important that they that everyone be
Speaker 4: there and and getting everyone's schedules lined up was a
Speaker 4: little tricky sure, And then James got very sick and
Speaker 4: was in the hospital and couldn't make the trip to
Speaker 4: come be on stage and do it with us, and
Speaker 4: that was really really hard and sad. But his family came,
Speaker 4: all of his kids came, Kimberly, his wife came, and
Speaker 4: we got to spend a lot of time with them,
Speaker 4: and it was just sort of incredible for us all
Speaker 4: to be back in the same room together. We haven't
Speaker 4: done that since the show wrapped, so it's been whatever,
Speaker 4: twenty twenty years.
Speaker 5: Yeah, twenty five or five years almost?
Speaker 4: Oh wow, okay, great twenty five. I believe you.
Speaker 10: Hi.
Speaker 11: It's Jenny Garth, host of the I Choose Me podcast.
Speaker 11: This week, I'm so excited to welcome my friend Gabrielle
Speaker 11: carteris the Andrea Zuckerman from Beverly Hills nine o.
Speaker 5: Two on Oh to the pod.
Speaker 4: We're choosing to get real iplied to the networks about
Speaker 4: my age and contracts. They never would have hired me
Speaker 4: if they had known my age. We're choosing to be honest.
Speaker 4: She looked at me and she said, this business is
Speaker 4: about the mask, which you have neither of, and we're
Speaker 4: choosing to get nostalgic.
Speaker 12: Listen to I Choose Me on the iHeartRadio app, Apple
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Speaker 7: People always ask us about that final episode of Boy
Speaker 7: Meets World where we were crying in real life, and
Speaker 7: it's right there on the screen as our characters. And
Speaker 7: the final Dawson's Creek episode is also an emotional ride.
Speaker 7: What was it like that day on set saying goodbye
Speaker 7: to a show that basically raised almost an entire cast.
Speaker 4: Well, it's crazy because I wasn't in the two part No,
Speaker 4: I wasn't in the two part finale, even though I
Speaker 4: had been on the show for those two years leading
Speaker 4: up to it. Kevin Williamson came back to write the finale,
Speaker 4: and I mean, I got paid for her, guys, right,
Speaker 4: But what I heard at the time was Kevin was like,
Speaker 4: I don't know this character. I didn't create her, so
Speaker 4: she's not going to be in the finale. And I was.
Speaker 4: I I wrote about it in my book. I was
Speaker 4: like pretty devastated, Like I was pretty sad, and I left.
Speaker 4: I just left. I left Wilmington. I was like, well
Speaker 4: you guys bye, Yeah, and so I wasn't there. Uh,
Speaker 4: And then I did have to go back for the
Speaker 4: like big they had, like this big finale party and
Speaker 4: like photo shoot and this whole thing, and like they
Speaker 4: were like, you actually contracted, you gotta go back for it.
Speaker 4: And I was like, Okay, I guess. So I did
Speaker 4: go back for like the finale party, but yeah, like
Speaker 4: I just wasn't I wasn't around. And then the craziest
Speaker 4: thing happened. I haven't like I'm not gonna say I
Speaker 4: like held on to it, but it was a thing
Speaker 4: that sure really hurt my feelings and I felt like
Speaker 4: I had given two seasons of my life to this show.
Speaker 4: People really loved my character. I really, you know, gave
Speaker 4: up like a big part of my life to be
Speaker 4: in Wilmington. Not that like, you know, obviously I needed
Speaker 4: the job, but yeah, I just was sad for my
Speaker 4: character too. I'm like, she just gets relegated to like
Speaker 4: one weird one.
Speaker 5: I feel not valued and yeah.
Speaker 4: Right, And when we were doing this reading which I
Speaker 4: got to play this is so wild but also just
Speaker 4: speaks to the time. I don't know if you guys
Speaker 4: had any storylines in boy Meet's world where like now
Speaker 4: you're like, oh my god, that is not cool, Like
Speaker 4: like Pacey loses his virginity to his forty year old
Speaker 4: teacher on Dawson's Creed.
Speaker 5: It's a very common thing. We just talked about this.
Speaker 7: Yeah, it's very common for shows of that time that
Speaker 7: everyone was making looking up with people significantly.
Speaker 5: Older than them.
Speaker 2: Well Sean hitting on the teacher. That happened several times.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and hitting on Sean.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's so wild. Yeah. In the so in the
Speaker 4: play reading, I played that teacher. Yeah, wow, tomorrow anyway,
Speaker 4: it was sort of the part I was like born
Speaker 4: to play, being honest, Like I really, I really. It
Speaker 4: was really funny. But Kevin Williamson like, as soon as
Speaker 4: we had a day of rehearsal and then we had
Speaker 4: like a half day, and then we did the show
Speaker 4: that night, and as soon as I walked in and
Speaker 4: said hi to everybody, Kevin Williamson, who I've seen over
Speaker 4: the years, by the way, I mean it's been twenty
Speaker 4: five years, Kevin was like, busy, can I talk to
Speaker 4: you for a second, And he took me aside and
Speaker 4: was like I had to say something that I've really
Speaker 4: been thinking about. I've thought about it a lot for years.
Speaker 4: I never reached out to you. I won't to apologize
Speaker 4: putting you in the finale. I don't know if you know,
Speaker 4: Like he was just like I was just in a
Speaker 4: moment in my career, my life, when like I had
Speaker 4: so many things going on. They had like asked me
Speaker 4: at the very last minute to come back and write
Speaker 4: the finale. I had like a day and a half
Speaker 4: to do it, and I just made this kind of
Speaker 4: weird decision and I could have done better and I didn't,
Speaker 4: and I'm sorry.
Speaker 5: Wow, And I I started crying.
Speaker 4: I literally started crying, and I was like, Kevin, like
Speaker 4: that means so much to me, thank you for saying that.
Speaker 4: I really appreciate it, And yeah, great, great, let's do this.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 7: Wow, that might have been so rewarding to like, yeah,
Speaker 7: something that's just always been in the back of your mind.
Speaker 7: Like you said, you're not going to say you were
Speaker 7: like carrying it around. It wasn't like in the forefront
Speaker 7: you're carrying the shooting daggers every time you hear his
Speaker 7: name or whatever. But it's somewhere in the back of
Speaker 7: your mind that you're like, man, I that ended on
Speaker 7: a note that made me feel like two years of
Speaker 7: my life wasn't valued. And to actually get an apology like.
Speaker 4: That is so nice, I know, and rare and rare
Speaker 4: and I but also I think really speaks to you know, obviously,
Speaker 4: like he is a person who is self reflective and
Speaker 4: has you know, and had a moment where he was like,
Speaker 4: oh wait, that wasn't maybe the kindest thing. Maybe I
Speaker 4: should take ownership of that in a real way instead
Speaker 4: of just like being nice to me every time he
Speaker 4: sees me, you know, which is like, I think what
Speaker 4: most people do, right, they're like, don't want this?
Speaker 2: Actually a closure too? I mean that, Yeah, we had
Speaker 2: that on our show.
Speaker 6: I mean, Trina came on our podcast and somebody had
Speaker 6: told because Trina wasn't in our last episode, and somebody
Speaker 6: had told Trina that we as a cast went to
Speaker 6: our producer and said we didn't want her in the episode,
Speaker 6: which is completely untrue, and so she had been holding
Speaker 6: onto that for twenty five and rightfully so.
Speaker 2: And so when we talked about it, we were like wait, what.
Speaker 5: What Yeah, because we didn't even know that.
Speaker 6: We had no idea that this had that she had
Speaker 6: been told this and so yeah, I mean it was
Speaker 6: it had bothered her for decades and again rightfully, so
Speaker 6: it made me feel less.
Speaker 2: Then, and it was nice to us to sit down
Speaker 2: and be like, we had no.
Speaker 4: This is the first one hearing that you had heard.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so it was.
Speaker 4: Why would somebody tell them say that to her?
Speaker 5: I mean, I can reflect deflect for.
Speaker 1: That's the correct But imagine, I mean imagine if we
Speaker 1: did have that kind of power.
Speaker 3: At that time we were so like clueless actors, like whuk,
Speaker 3: what are we doing next week?
Speaker 1: But if we had banded together and been like, let's
Speaker 1: get rid of another cast member, no.
Speaker 6: Weird thing to band again, Like we wouldn't be together
Speaker 6: to get money. We banded together to get have one
Speaker 6: cast member, not in one episode.
Speaker 4: Like it's yeah, it doesn't even make sense logically, No,
Speaker 4: it doesn't.
Speaker 7: But at the time, of course, the thing we've talked
Speaker 7: about so much is at the time they are relying
Speaker 7: on the idea that we are not communicating with each
Speaker 7: other about things that it's going to feel, yeah, that
Speaker 7: the actors are not that she wasn't going to come
Speaker 7: to us and say, why would you guys do this
Speaker 7: to me, and she didn't because he and the person
Speaker 7: who told her that knew she would probably not do
Speaker 7: that right, and we because it played.
Speaker 1: Right into her actor insecurity, which we all have. And like,
Speaker 1: that's the problem with being an actor is that you
Speaker 1: feel disposable and you feel like, you know, you're being
Speaker 1: asked to be a human being on camera and to
Speaker 1: bring all this authenticity and emotion, but it feels like
Speaker 1: it's just do you fit into the schedule?
Speaker 3: Can we pay you enough?
Speaker 1: You know, and it's like it all diminishes your sense
Speaker 1: of self to you know, you're just like, I'm just
Speaker 1: a pawn and somebody in you know, Kevin Williamson's.
Speaker 3: Script, like I'm just like whatever.
Speaker 1: And of course what starts to happen is you start
Speaker 1: thinking that the people in charge never care about you,
Speaker 1: don't care about your feelings, even when you know they
Speaker 1: have their own stuff going on and they you know,
Speaker 1: who knows what the real situation is.
Speaker 3: But yeah, it's a it's a machine.
Speaker 4: And I think because I had come from this experience
Speaker 4: on Freaks and Geeks where we really did feel valued
Speaker 4: and like, uh, and that you know, I think that
Speaker 4: one of the reasons why almost everyone from that show
Speaker 4: has gone on to be multi hyphenates and do all
Speaker 4: kinds of different things, myself included. Is because jud and
Speaker 4: Paul and Jake Kasden, who was our like directing producer, producer, director.
Speaker 5: Yeah, there I go.
Speaker 4: Thank you really instilled in us, Like even though you
Speaker 4: guys are you know, I feel like Seth was sixteen,
Speaker 4: I think, or seventeen when we started the show. Martin
Speaker 4: Starr was like fourteen or fifteen. Even though you guys
Speaker 4: are like technically teenagers, your ideas are valuable. You're talented,
Speaker 4: and we want to know what you think about what
Speaker 4: we're bringing to you. They were always asking us, what
Speaker 4: do you think? Is this feel right? Is this like
Speaker 4: a thing that you would like a teenager would say? Anyway?
Speaker 4: I just, you know, feel like going from that experience
Speaker 4: and then feeling like, oh I really was not I
Speaker 4: don't really feel valued at all in this in this show,
Speaker 4: but it really gave me, you know, I don't know
Speaker 4: a roadmap for kind of how I would want to
Speaker 4: be treated on set, and then also what I am
Speaker 4: going to look for in collaborators and partners.
Speaker 6: Yeah, you have so many iconic shows on your resume.
Speaker 6: If you could go back and do one episode of
Speaker 6: any one of the shows again, which one would you pick?
Speaker 2: Well?
Speaker 4: Is this is really? It's Girls five EVA for sure,
Speaker 4: because I just love the show so much and I
Speaker 4: know it sort of just ended, but I really miss
Speaker 4: it and.
Speaker 5: That shows so funny.
Speaker 4: I just think it's that's going to be another one
Speaker 4: where people are going to find it. Yeah, and then
Speaker 4: in like two years are going to be as to
Speaker 4: why there's not more of them. I just loved that
Speaker 4: show so much and I love doing it. We had
Speaker 4: the best time.
Speaker 5: Are there any movies or TV shows that you got
Speaker 5: close on that still haunt you?
Speaker 4: Nothing haunts me?
Speaker 2: Okay, healthy Kevin Williamson.
Speaker 4: No, yeah, right, but not anymore. That's that we close
Speaker 4: the loop. That's loop has when closed. But what are
Speaker 4: some things that I tested for that I didn't get?
Speaker 4: There was a TV show that I tested for, but
Speaker 4: then I got Dawson's Creek. See this is why I'm like,
Speaker 4: nothing haunts me, like it always is fine, Like you
Speaker 4: know we've all been We've all been doing this long enough,
Speaker 4: you know what I mean? Like it really is true
Speaker 4: that your career is your career, and so not getting
Speaker 4: jobs while in the moment like that, rejection can be devastating,
Speaker 4: especially if you get really close on something. Ultimately, I
Speaker 4: have just found that it has always worked in my favor,
Speaker 4: even even the fact that like at the time I
Speaker 4: was doing the movie White Chicks and could audition for
Speaker 4: and White Chicks was pushing their production like we kept
Speaker 4: we pushed, so like we were going longer than we
Speaker 4: were supposed to be going. So I couldn't audition for
Speaker 4: Mean Girls the movie, and I was like devastated because
Speaker 4: I really wanted to be in that movie obviously, and guys,
Speaker 4: guess was in the Mean Girls movie. But you know
Speaker 4: what I mean, Like I couldn't have been the mom
Speaker 4: in the new Mean Girls movie, you know what I mean. Like,
Speaker 4: it's just like everything works out, everything works out, and
Speaker 4: White Chicks is like the most iconic movie that I've
Speaker 4: ever done.
Speaker 7: So I was going to ask you, with everything you've done,
Speaker 7: how many people come up to you and want to
Speaker 7: talk about White Chicks?
Speaker 4: I mean, it's everyone, no joke, at least at least
Speaker 4: five times a week. I'm not I'm not an exaggeration.
Speaker 4: Someone will say something to me about white Chicks five
Speaker 4: times a week, Like it's crazy and everywhere in the
Speaker 4: world that's like.
Speaker 5: That's so cool.
Speaker 4: It's quite it's actually just like okay, I mean wow,
Speaker 4: had no idea at the time, but I love it.
Speaker 4: It's really funny.
Speaker 7: You also currently host Busy This Week on QVC plus,
Speaker 7: a place I pop up with my own hair care product.
Speaker 7: I love QVC. I'm there many times a year. Tell
Speaker 7: our listeners a little bit about your show.
Speaker 4: Oh well, so you know, I had a late night
Speaker 4: talk show on E for a year in twenty eighteen
Speaker 4: to twenty nineteen, and when it got canceled, I was
Speaker 4: really bummed because we had a great time and I
Speaker 4: just loved doing a late night talk show. And I
Speaker 4: have long felt the inequality of not having women be
Speaker 4: the hosts of these shows or given you know, longer
Speaker 4: than whatever a year to find an audience. And so
Speaker 4: Casey saint Ande, my producing partner on that show, and
Speaker 4: I really were trying to figure out, like, how do
Speaker 4: we do another one? Where are we going to go?
Speaker 4: And we were kind of building to something, and then
Speaker 4: the pandemic happened, and so we pivoted and we did
Speaker 4: our podcast for over five years, and then at a
Speaker 4: certain point QVC had come to me to do a
Speaker 4: little like holiday special thing for them, and in that
Speaker 4: process Casey I asked Casey to come do it with me.
Speaker 4: And in that process we learned that they were going
Speaker 4: to launch their own streaming network and they were looking
Speaker 4: for they didn't really know what they were looking for,
Speaker 4: but they were thinking they were going to have more
Speaker 4: original content and not just twenty four hour shopping content,
Speaker 4: that it would be different. So we were like, well,
Speaker 4: why don't we just do my talk show there. Let's
Speaker 4: just do the talk show there. And they went for it,
Speaker 4: and this is We've done two seasons. We've had a
Speaker 4: great time. It's a talk show. You know, we have
Speaker 4: incredible guests. Rosie O'Donnell was amazing. You got to come
Speaker 4: beyond it.
Speaker 5: I would not to please.
Speaker 2: Okay, she was talking about you also on qv She
Speaker 2: was clearly speaking to me and you instantly.
Speaker 7: I will tell you, I don't think you guys speak
Speaker 7: to the QVC audience.
Speaker 4: I mean not know, not no, not no, sure, not no. Wow.
Speaker 2: First of all, I can speak to any audience, Thank
Speaker 2: you very much.
Speaker 4: I I think that's he's not right. I think that's right.
Speaker 4: I think that's right.
Speaker 5: He's not wrong.
Speaker 4: Feels right to me. I don't know if it is,
Speaker 4: but it.
Speaker 5: Feels real right, it feels good. That feels good.
Speaker 2: Writers just quiet. He's like, I'm not I would never
Speaker 2: be on any show.
Speaker 3: Uh and QVC audience don't understand, so I probably not.
Speaker 4: Probably why don't you like to be on talk shows?
Speaker 1: I'm really bad at on camera being myself, Like I'm
Speaker 1: just a horrible famous person, Like, I just don't.
Speaker 4: You're on camera right now being yourself.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but it's audio mostly second clips. Yeah, I'm in
Speaker 3: my house. It's fine. No, I just I'm not. I don't.
Speaker 3: I don't do well in those situations. I always look
Speaker 3: like I'm being held.
Speaker 6: I'll be like, I'll be like, ladies and gentlemen, you
Speaker 6: only got thirty minutes left to buy righters strong.
Speaker 2: I can't even believe he's.
Speaker 5: Not good whippy. He's not a quippy person.
Speaker 2: I agree.
Speaker 3: I don't work in sound bite its well correct, and even.
Speaker 5: The idea of like the pre show interview were like
Speaker 5: trying to what's what's the quick funny story you're going
Speaker 5: to tell? Like that pressure on it.
Speaker 7: It's like, oh god, no, he just right from the
Speaker 7: beginning there's a lot of anxiety, and he's just like,
Speaker 7: I don't need that.
Speaker 3: Nope, I kind.
Speaker 4: Of understand that.
Speaker 2: No, I want to see it. I want to see
Speaker 2: Rider on every talk show.
Speaker 4: Now.
Speaker 1: I get uncomfortable just watching talk shows, Like I can't
Speaker 1: handle it.
Speaker 3: I don't watch interviews and talk shows.
Speaker 1: That's why I know nothing about famous people, even people
Speaker 1: I really love their work. I don't know anything about
Speaker 1: the personal life because the second I'm watching an interview,
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, God, get me a way, like I
Speaker 1: just not my not my style.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well there's I think there's something to that, And
Speaker 4: I think it also speaks to when you watch men
Speaker 4: who are comedians interview people that is actually like there
Speaker 4: is a lot of pressure because what you see is
Speaker 4: them searching for their joke and they're not actually listening
Speaker 4: and a lot of the times but well, but I really,
Speaker 4: I really, in my experience, why I wanted to do
Speaker 4: a talk show was first of all, because I was
Speaker 4: sick of the fact that there were no women that
Speaker 4: had them, but also, and specifically late night, because there's
Speaker 4: this whole you know, like deeply rooted in the misogyny
Speaker 4: and the patriarchy that like women can only have daytime
Speaker 4: talk shows because that's when women are home doing the laundry,
Speaker 4: like you know from back in the day, and like
Speaker 4: men go to their jobs and then they need to
Speaker 4: relax with their scotch and watch how they don't want
Speaker 4: to help. Not a woman.
Speaker 5: I don't want to hear a woman talk at night.
Speaker 4: But it's so just it's literally what it was, what
Speaker 4: it was based, what it's been based in.
Speaker 2: And to fight.
Speaker 6: I mean, Joan Rivers was the top comedian of the
Speaker 6: day and she had she never got it and never
Speaker 6: got it. She was she could guess and that was it.
Speaker 5: The closest with Chelsea Lately.
Speaker 4: I mean, Chelsea had years and she had such an
Speaker 4: amazing run and then but then you look at it
Speaker 4: and you're like, that's one one woman.
Speaker 6: There's somebody else had one last, last one last year
Speaker 6: and they just cancel a comedian.
Speaker 2: She's so funny. I can't think of her name.
Speaker 4: Well, Amber Ruffin had like that late night talk show
Speaker 4: thing after you're thinking of Taylor, Mom, Taylor at midnight
Speaker 4: Taylor Tomlinson, but at midnight's a game show.
Speaker 5: Yeah, So it's also like she's the best.
Speaker 4: She's so funny. But it also is a game show,
Speaker 4: not actually a late night talk show, you know what
Speaker 4: I mean. Anyway, my point being writer, my favorite guest,
Speaker 4: part of the reason why I wanted to do it
Speaker 4: is because I fully feel you on that And like,
Speaker 4: my favorite guest from the E Talk Show was Dan
Speaker 4: Radcliffe because he showed up and he was literally like you,
Speaker 4: He was like, this isn't for me. I'm not like,
Speaker 4: I don't like this. Da da da da weird at
Speaker 4: the end of it, like he like didn't want to leave.
Speaker 4: It was it was like, actually amazing to see the
Speaker 4: transition because I just was like, I'll just talk to
Speaker 4: you about.
Speaker 5: Like what you like, what.
Speaker 2: Does he really have magic powers?
Speaker 4: He was really wonderful see magical magic and he's super talented.
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh yeah, very busy.
Speaker 7: My last question for you is if you could go
Speaker 7: back in time and tell young Busy Phillips on the
Speaker 7: Freaks and Geeks set, just one thing, what would you
Speaker 7: tell her?
Speaker 4: My god, this is the second time someone has like
Speaker 4: asked me this question this week, and I have no answer.
Speaker 4: And you would think, since I've already been asked it,
Speaker 4: that I would have come up with something, But the
Speaker 4: truth is I don't know if you guys feel this way.
Speaker 4: I just am sort of like, first of all, there
Speaker 4: was nothing that I could ever tell that girl, do
Speaker 4: you know what I mean, listened, not even a little bit.
Speaker 4: Would she have listened. She would have been like, Okay,
Speaker 4: old lady, fine, and I.
Speaker 3: Love that your voice.
Speaker 4: Yes, yes, that's.
Speaker 5: Like what my voice for my nineteen year old self
Speaker 5: is as well. Yeah.
Speaker 4: Well, and now I have this seventeen year old mini
Speaker 4: me that is it's a real vibe. Guy is watching
Speaker 4: her on camera because I'm like, it is a little
Speaker 4: bit of a mine. I mean, honestly, like just crazy,
Speaker 4: but yeah, I kind of feel I've thought a lot
Speaker 4: about it, and like I don't think there's anything that
Speaker 4: I could tell her that would change anything or change
Speaker 4: her way of thinking. I mean, maybe get diagnosed with
Speaker 4: ADHD sooner, Okay, I mean honestly, because I think I've
Speaker 4: spent a lot of time feeling really terrible about my
Speaker 4: brain and then in my late thirties was diagnosed with
Speaker 4: ADHD and I was like, oh, now it all makes sense,
Speaker 4: So maybe that what about that? Yeah, like your brain
Speaker 4: is fine, You're not stupid. Where just you have executive
Speaker 4: organizational functioning skills that you need to work on.
Speaker 5: Right, so smart.
Speaker 7: Honestly, that is probably one of the things that would
Speaker 7: help you change your life and right it's very practical.
Speaker 4: That's probably. That's probably anything else I think I would
Speaker 4: have been like, yeah, I know it's gonna work whatever.
Speaker 5: I know everything. You know nothing.
Speaker 7: I don't know if you know this, but I am eighteen.
Speaker 7: I know everything. Yeah, that's I totally get that.
Speaker 5: Busy. Thank you so much for being here.
Speaker 4: Thanks guys, I love the pod.
Speaker 3: Have a good one bye.
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