Speaker 1: Welcome to Pod meets Tworld, a podcast from two guys
Speaker 1: who had never seen an episode of Dancing with the
Speaker 1: Stars but took it on and walked away experts. So
Speaker 1: now we turned to Traders, another show I've never seen,
Speaker 1: while Will is convinced that he could win it. We
Speaker 1: are Wilfred Ellen Ryder Strong. Two best friends, one's a
Speaker 1: TV expert, one's a TV skeptic, both dance scholars join
Speaker 1: us as we step into a castle full of lies, alliances,
Speaker 1: and over the top wardrobe choices. This is Pod meets
Speaker 1: Tworld Trading Places. How you feeling.
Speaker 2: I feel like I don't understand why I wear the
Speaker 2: robe anymore. I'm be honest. I went to go grad
Speaker 2: it like I forgot my robe, and I'm like, no
Speaker 2: one is ever going to see this. What am I doing?
Speaker 1: I'm just hot. It's like your superhero underwear, though, doesn't
Speaker 1: it make you feel better?
Speaker 2: The superhero underwear is an actual medical thing, right that
Speaker 2: truly helps people and makes them Yeah, that's science. This
Speaker 2: is just this is just for all, This is just fun.
Speaker 2: This is you know, this is shenanigans. I'm taking it
Speaker 2: off now, Okay.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel like you gotta we got to up
Speaker 1: our costume game if we're going to do it, so
Speaker 1: like you got to bust it out halfway through our
Speaker 1: recording or masks traders masks.
Speaker 2: Well, I want to wear a gold mask just because
Speaker 2: I think it'd be cool. I mean, I think my
Speaker 2: mask game is not strong. I don't know about you yours.
Speaker 2: What do you mean do you have Do you have
Speaker 2: seven like meaning like at your home if you had
Speaker 2: to pick from them?
Speaker 1: Do you have several masks because of Indie like I
Speaker 1: don't otherwise I wouldn't own masks. No, but you've got
Speaker 1: a strong mask game. Oh my god. We have so
Speaker 1: many masks. And Andy likes the really over the top
Speaker 1: ones too, Like he has some really ugly ones and
Speaker 1: creepy ones. And then we've done like a Squid Games
Speaker 1: themed birthday party for him. So I got like one
Speaker 1: of those like golden guy masks to wear.
Speaker 2: It's good games could happen, It's good games could happen,
Speaker 2: could be real.
Speaker 1: I you know, I kind of just want a vacation
Speaker 1: in the Trader's Castle. That's what I've realized.
Speaker 2: Well, then go to Ashford Castle and go to Ashford
Speaker 2: Castle in County Mayo and that's the name.
Speaker 1: Of this actual castle. No, no, no, that's not this castle.
Speaker 2: That's just an awesome vacations like one of the best
Speaker 2: hotels in the world.
Speaker 1: So when I went there for a couple.
Speaker 2: Of days, that's where we were walking the Irish countryside falconing. Yeah,
Speaker 2: we literally had falcons on our arms and walking the
Speaker 2: Irish countryside. It was the Guinness family's summer like get away.
Speaker 2: Oh and it's the most insane food, the most insane hotel,
Speaker 2: the greatest spa.
Speaker 1: It's this time's one thousand. Yeah, watching the show. That's
Speaker 1: that's my overwhelming filming nowadays, Salmon and Cook that I
Speaker 1: just want to be in this castle. I just want
Speaker 1: to walk around the grounds. It's so beautiful.
Speaker 2: Oh I know, I know, and it's but there's also
Speaker 2: I want the pump and the circumstance.
Speaker 1: Of the of the game. I don't think I can
Speaker 1: handle it.
Speaker 3: Oh.
Speaker 1: I'm also just like as the group gets smaller and
Speaker 1: like I can, I can wrap my head around like
Speaker 1: who's who a lot easier now I'm very here on
Speaker 1: who everybody is. So when they're all like at breakfast
Speaker 1: now like about I'm like, stop, we get it, Like
Speaker 1: I just want everybody and that would drive me crazy,
Speaker 1: like all the light. You don't want to the top
Speaker 1: to be at breakfast every morning. I would just be
Speaker 1: like the second, like second Johnny shows up with a
Speaker 1: veil on in front of his head, I'd be like, dude,
Speaker 1: what are we doing? What are you doing here?
Speaker 4: Bro?
Speaker 1: We're here just for breakfast And then and then you
Speaker 1: know we're going to be running around in some mud,
Speaker 1: So why did you dress? I would just can't do this.
Speaker 1: You can't. How do you eat your yogurt through a veil?
Speaker 3: Dude?
Speaker 1: How's the smoke? Sam would make it? I know, like
Speaker 1: I feel like the pomp and circumstance gets more ridiculous
Speaker 1: when there's are they still doing this? When there's four
Speaker 1: of them at the end, I'm like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: the amount of like they're bags. Think about how big
Speaker 1: their bags would would have to be to fit all
Speaker 1: this clothing in Oh.
Speaker 2: I was like, what kind of bags you talk about it?
Speaker 2: I thought you meant under their eyes from the lack
Speaker 2: of sleep.
Speaker 1: Candae is wearing like a cow fur jacket, like you
Speaker 1: know how much that's like an entire bag unto itself,
Speaker 1: And she has one of those every episode. I think
Speaker 1: the whole show is shot over what a week? Ten days?
Speaker 1: Probably right?
Speaker 2: Yeah, so that I mean for ten days, she's got
Speaker 2: to have five suitcases.
Speaker 1: Oh my six suitcases. They have like a whole suv
Speaker 1: just for their suitcase. They have like a moving truck
Speaker 1: to get to the castle. I've perfected the art of
Speaker 1: like and you you you you have too, and we
Speaker 1: do conventions and stuff. We get our bags to that
Speaker 1: one carry on no matter what because oh my god,
Speaker 1: and about anything more. And that's that's back with like
Speaker 1: my computer and my books, and then the one carry
Speaker 1: on anything more than that for any vacation. Oh it's
Speaker 1: too much, I agree. Yeah, all right, Robin Candice a
Speaker 1: great episode. Yeah, you know, here's what. Yeah, I'm not
Speaker 1: into the showiness of it all, like you know, when
Speaker 1: they're just like hanging out, but I'm I'm definitely into
Speaker 1: the people now and seeing Robin Cantas go at it.
Speaker 1: It has been super like they're just great, isn't it,
Speaker 1: isn't it? And I feel like, yeah, I just I
Speaker 1: kind of like everybody now, like yeah, so and then
Speaker 1: well they're playing well better, you know, at least I
Speaker 1: feel like they're playing now, So yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1: This was a good episode. I feel like I know
Speaker 1: who everybody is like when it comes.
Speaker 2: To people so good at this game, Yeah, he's really good.
Speaker 2: Is so good at this game. Not only is he
Speaker 2: puppet mastering everything, but people are literally walking away going like,
Speaker 2: I can't believe anybody would put his name down. He's
Speaker 2: like that guy. You think it's that guy?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 1: God, so good, you know what I mean. It's magical.
Speaker 1: So opening up, they're meeting up in the turret and
Speaker 1: like immediately Canda says like, Rob's the dangerous type that
Speaker 1: will stab you in the back, and I was like,
Speaker 1: that's the game.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like literally, Actually what she said was even better.
Speaker 2: She said, we'll look you in the eye, yes, and
Speaker 2: stab you in the back right, And I'm like, no,
Speaker 2: but how do you stab you in the back when
Speaker 2: you're looking somebody in the eye.
Speaker 1: But he said to her, I'm voting for you for
Speaker 1: this reason. I mean, he's he's clearly stated all of
Speaker 1: his intentions up front. He's just playing better than her.
Speaker 1: The only thing he keeps to himself is that Colton
Speaker 1: threw her name out, which is super smart.
Speaker 2: Yes, he kept It's also he's playing with no emotion, right,
Speaker 2: he's not attack.
Speaker 1: He was bummed that Colton was gone.
Speaker 2: But she's like taking things personally and making bad decisions
Speaker 2: because of that. And he's like, I'm playing a game.
Speaker 2: It's a game of chess, and this is the next
Speaker 2: piece I have to move.
Speaker 1: Yes, it's it's to me. It's like, yes, this is
Speaker 1: this is the fun. That's how you actually win it.
Speaker 1: If you're a trader, you know, like being a faithful
Speaker 1: I think you can play emotionally because it is just
Speaker 1: about convincing people like no, I'm being honest, but like
Speaker 1: when you have to lie when that's part of your job, like, yeah,
Speaker 1: pull the emotion out of it. Just and then Alan
Speaker 1: Commins walks into the turret and gives the best line
Speaker 1: of the episode. I'm sensing awkwardness.
Speaker 3: Said, I do it.
Speaker 1: I feel like something I should say to my wife
Speaker 1: every once in a while. I got awkwardness in my turret. Sorry,
Speaker 1: it's not gonna I've got a little awkwardness my turret.
Speaker 1: When you wear that outfit, it gives me awkwardness in
Speaker 1: my turret. All right. Rob immediately was like, we should enlist,
Speaker 1: which I think is smart too. Like, why not because
Speaker 1: they're you know, but no, they decide to murder yep,
Speaker 1: which I just think was a bad idea.
Speaker 2: But yeah, again I think and giving giving her the
Speaker 2: power kind of like I'm going to give you just
Speaker 2: enough for up.
Speaker 1: To hang yourself.
Speaker 2: I was gonna go ahead, go ahead, what do you
Speaker 2: want to do, right man? It's like, oh, first you're
Speaker 2: going to kill Colton. Dumb idea. He was loud and
Speaker 2: brashing on everybody's list of as a possible trader, so
Speaker 2: keep him there.
Speaker 1: And it was just yes, she was. What she didn't
Speaker 1: know is that Colton had already thrown out her name.
Speaker 1: But it's like, yeah, I can't believe like Colton is
Speaker 1: going people will suspect him, people are over him. You
Speaker 1: don't worry about somebody like him exactly. So he's alreat
Speaker 1: even put in check. They have thrown out Stephen, Colton
Speaker 1: and Natalie, and I think Steven or Natalie would have
Speaker 1: been great decisions. Either one of those would have been
Speaker 1: better than Colton. Yeah, I agree. And then did you
Speaker 1: notice that Rob then immediately makes the chess comparison, just
Speaker 1: like you were saying, like you were so right, He's
Speaker 1: like he's generally just playing chess. So he moves ahead.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's like, I don't have her in check yet,
Speaker 2: but I just took her queen and it's like, oh.
Speaker 1: I was like, oh he's operating on this, Yes, it's
Speaker 1: so good.
Speaker 2: And then he's doing things like again, never judge a
Speaker 2: book by its cover. Then he's doing things like quoting
Speaker 2: Twain and doing it. It's like, oh, this guy's a
Speaker 2: freaking genius.
Speaker 1: This guy's amazing. I wonder if how how much they
Speaker 1: knew that, because it's like they chose two housewives him
Speaker 1: and then the secret trader is Donna, right, like, so
Speaker 1: how much of the producers like foresee this did they
Speaker 1: like meet with him and and be like, oh, this
Speaker 1: guy's got a lot more going on then maybe yeah,
Speaker 1: like what are your favorite things?
Speaker 2: So I like, yeah, you never know, but he is.
Speaker 1: He's super collated. Great, he's killing it all right Breakfast
Speaker 1: Derinda comes in saying that she was packing because she
Speaker 1: didn't think she was like whatever, but mostly she just
Speaker 1: never thought that it could be Lisa, which is like
Speaker 1: just goes to show how bad she is.
Speaker 2: This kid.
Speaker 1: It's like, yes, when somebody's your friend or a housewife,
Speaker 1: it doesn't mean that they're not you couldn't also be
Speaker 1: a trader. Like they all need to just stop thinking like, yeah,
Speaker 1: well he or she's my friend.
Speaker 2: It's like, no, you've met them six days ago to
Speaker 2: play a game where some of you are lying to
Speaker 2: each other.
Speaker 1: I know that's what it is. They're like saying I
Speaker 1: love you to each other when they go to bed
Speaker 1: at night, and I almost.
Speaker 2: An actor thing, you know that we're all like that.
Speaker 2: Of course we were all.
Speaker 1: It's so my brother when.
Speaker 2: My brother came out to watch Boy Meets Old one time,
Speaker 2: he came out to the show and we were we
Speaker 2: finished taping and we were all like god, I love
Speaker 2: you and hugging each other, and he's like, aren't you
Speaker 2: seeing each other tomorrow morning?
Speaker 1: We're like yeah, and he's like, what the hell are
Speaker 1: you doing? Like, well, like what's going on.
Speaker 2: It's that kind of thing where it's like, okay, I'm
Speaker 2: going to see you in twelve hours. It's no big deal,
Speaker 2: but yeah, that's it's such an entertainer thing. It's like
Speaker 2: a camera trying to hug me. Well, then push and run,
Speaker 2: push and run.
Speaker 1: I have no idea. I mean, yes, I definitely was
Speaker 1: like way much more of a hugger and much more
Speaker 1: free with like saying I love you and stuff like
Speaker 1: that when I was on Boy with World. But turns
Speaker 1: out to be mostly correct because I do still love
Speaker 1: everybody that we worked with. I still have relationships with
Speaker 1: so many of you. Yeah, so it's like, uh, but yes,
Speaker 1: I think in general, as I've gotten older, a much
Speaker 1: more uncomfortable with that sort of la Hollywood thing. And
Speaker 1: it's just La Hollywood.
Speaker 2: It's not New York. New York is not the same
Speaker 2: way it was. At least it wasn't when I was
Speaker 2: coming up New York in the eighties. Was not love you,
Speaker 2: hugging you see tomorrow. It's like, yeah, I hope you
Speaker 2: wake up. So yeah, it's uh, good night. Well maybe
Speaker 2: yeah it was great, so but it is. They're all
Speaker 2: just they're very flowery actory people.
Speaker 1: Yeah. See again the culture, I would not not really
Speaker 1: fit into it. I would be such an asshole on
Speaker 1: this show. Dude, you know it too. You know, by
Speaker 1: day three, I would just be that grumpy guy in
Speaker 1: the corner. Everybody's like, well, first of all, they would
Speaker 1: probably suspect me because I would be protesting way too much,
Speaker 1: and she'd be like, no, I'm a horrible liar. I
Speaker 1: can't lie. I'm sorry, And then they would be like,
Speaker 1: well I can't trust him.
Speaker 2: I voted for you rider no real reason. I just
Speaker 2: can't take it anymore. I don't think you're a trader.
Speaker 1: I just just I can't just want to don't want
Speaker 1: you in my castle.
Speaker 3: I just want you.
Speaker 1: Do you remember when we had that conversation about like,
Speaker 1: what what our impression is just by looking at us?
Speaker 1: Do you remember this with mccaulla our tour guide, our
Speaker 1: tour Oh? We were just like I was like, you know,
Speaker 1: will Danielle really get a pass in life? Because when
Speaker 1: you look at them, they're just they're just so friendly
Speaker 1: and beautiful. Everybody wants to And McCall is like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm like, so when you look at Will, what's his zero? Like,
Speaker 1: what's what? She's like, just friend, want to get to
Speaker 1: know him. He likes me, And I'm like, what about me?
Speaker 1: And she's like, you think you're smarter than me? Do
Speaker 1: you think you're better? You know you heard this guy.
Speaker 1: You know this is a truth. She's like, no, now
Speaker 1: I know you, but I'm just saying what you look like? Like,
Speaker 1: Oh my god, so yeah, that's my zero. So I'm
Speaker 1: sure in this world, in Trader's world, they would just
Speaker 1: be like that guy thinks he's so much better than all, Oh,
Speaker 1: get him out of here. Oh that's so funny. He
Speaker 1: also doesn't try very hard in the challenges. You could
Speaker 1: have run harder rider all right. At breakfast, uh Wara
Speaker 1: brings up Candace and talked about how the throwaway vote
Speaker 1: made her suspicious, which was brill actually accurate, and of
Speaker 1: course is the thing that comes back at the round table.
Speaker 1: Candace defends her throwaway vote, but I just don't buy it.
Speaker 1: It's just like, because it's if she was gonna throw
Speaker 1: away a vote, why didn't she vote for Natalie, Like
Speaker 1: if she really didn't want it to be It's like
Speaker 1: and it just goes to show that she made this
Speaker 1: move out of a petty impulse right towards Rob And
Speaker 1: so that totally backfires, like exactly what you're saying, you
Speaker 1: can't be emotional, Like, don't be because that like everybody
Speaker 1: could see that as a useless move and was like,
Speaker 1: why would she do that? Yep, yeah, and anything.
Speaker 2: I think it's one of those things that's like in
Speaker 2: the being in this house is like being child. Anything
Speaker 2: that makes you different is not good, right, So her
Speaker 2: just pointing something out that's so out of the norm
Speaker 2: that because everybody you're you're micro concentrating on everybody's little move,
Speaker 2: any little thing, can't drop this fork he did this.
Speaker 1: You're you're hyper vigilant to everything going on around you.
Speaker 2: So something like a big freaking move like I'm gonna
Speaker 2: vote for somebody has to throw away.
Speaker 1: Of course you're now and everybody's radar. Yep, that's a target. Yeah,
Speaker 1: all right, it's revealed that Colton was killed, which at
Speaker 1: first I was like, bad move, Yeah, but what I
Speaker 1: realized is it was a bad move for Candace, a
Speaker 1: brilliant move for Rob because he let her have her
Speaker 1: her way, Like you said, yeah, I mean at this point,
Speaker 1: like it seems pretty it seemed pretty obvious to me,
Speaker 1: which it did turn out to be the case that
Speaker 1: she's gone, like that's it man, because he had already
Speaker 1: told multiple people. He didn't just tell Rob, he had
Speaker 1: thrown out her, and they were right about Lisa, which
Speaker 1: Colton had been gunning for. So the second that Colton's killed,
Speaker 1: it's just this looks bad for the traders man and
Speaker 1: you're right.
Speaker 2: It's just you are one hundred percent right. The smartest
Speaker 2: thing that Rob did was not say Colton said your name, right.
Speaker 1: He the smartest thing that he did, And he says
Speaker 1: at the top of the episode, he's like, I have
Speaker 1: some information I'm going to keep to myself, which is
Speaker 1: amazing because I think I would have been like, oh,
Speaker 1: Colton said your name, don't pick him. But he just
Speaker 1: gave up. At this point, He's like, no, Candice is gone.
Speaker 1: I need to let her just make this decision her
Speaker 1: so she knows it's just on her.
Speaker 2: And at the end of the day, in one move
Speaker 2: he got rid of a very powerful, faithful and the
Speaker 2: last trader but him.
Speaker 1: Yeah, in one one incredible, brilliant, brilliant. So then Alan
Speaker 1: Commings walks in looking precisely like my grandmother's couch from
Speaker 1: nineteen ninety one. It's the nineteen ninety one couch. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's like the exact print. It almost looked like the
Speaker 1: Boy meets World couch. Yes, it's yes, my god, it
Speaker 1: looks like the Boy meets w relld couch. We got
Speaker 1: to pull up the Boy.
Speaker 3: I think it is.
Speaker 1: I think it is Boy meets World Living Room set.
Speaker 1: I gotta see this. I gotta it's the couch. Check
Speaker 1: it out. No, because it does. I'm looking at it
Speaker 1: doesn't have flowers? Flower? It does? It does? It's flower
Speaker 1: the same colors. Yes, he wore the Boy Meets World.
Speaker 2: Go.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, Alan Cummings is wearing the Boy Meets
Speaker 1: World couch. I like knew it looked so familiar. I
Speaker 1: was like, no, that was my grandmother's couch, but it
Speaker 1: was our set. It's the Boy meets World couch.
Speaker 2: I'm amazed it wasn't covered with plastic and didn't have
Speaker 2: one of rusty scripts in the lapel.
Speaker 1: That's amazing. Oh my god, I can't wait. All right,
Speaker 1: if you're listening to this, go look up the Boy
Speaker 1: Meets World couch and all you need is a little
Speaker 1: for ray and you are Alan coming. That is insane.
Speaker 1: I love it. He's got two different Morgans in different pockets.
Speaker 1: Oh my god. All right, the mission for the day,
Speaker 1: if you choose to understand it, if you choose. I actually,
Speaker 1: once they started playing this, I really loved this, and
Speaker 1: I was like, great game. This could be a great
Speaker 1: like home game to play, right Like It's sort of
Speaker 1: like a version of charades where you like split up
Speaker 1: into groups. I thought this was really clever. I was like,
Speaker 1: this could be its own game show.
Speaker 2: Actually, you know, the way you do it too, is
Speaker 2: that you can just do it with polaroids, Like you
Speaker 2: have to you have to mimic the polaroid that's in
Speaker 2: the other room, and then you have to come out
Speaker 2: and have a polaroid put next to the one.
Speaker 1: Like, ah, we did it. We got it. Exactly what
Speaker 1: they wanted. It has this cool telephone element to it,
Speaker 1: you know, like there's a game that we love to
Speaker 1: play called Telestrations, which is basically pictionary with telephone. So
Speaker 1: you sit, you know, you all have a drawing pad
Speaker 1: and you like, one person will be like Santa Claus, right,
Speaker 1: so they will write Santa Claus. Then they pass that.
Speaker 1: Then the next person gets that has to flip the page,
Speaker 1: draw Santa Claus and then pass that. The next person
Speaker 1: just gets that drawing, flips the page and guesses what
Speaker 1: they think that drawing is. Oh, it's by the end
Speaker 1: of the game, you know, you see like somebody drawing
Speaker 1: Santa Claus and it becomes like Super Mario Brothers whatever,
Speaker 1: exactly like by the end and the fun of the
Speaker 1: game is not getting it right. It's actually really boring. Whenever,
Speaker 1: the fun of the game is when you see how
Speaker 1: ridicl it got when somebody couldn't draw. Dude, it's such
Speaker 1: a fun game, especially with kids. You play it with
Speaker 1: kids because they just either you can't draw very well
Speaker 1: or just look at a drawing, and they're honest about it.
Speaker 1: So they're like fat man with a mustache and you're like, Okay,
Speaker 1: guess guess what I'm doing. It's fun. I got to
Speaker 1: play that. Yeah, sounds all right. So this mission is
Speaker 1: this cool art game thing where they have to recreate
Speaker 1: pieces of art based on a description and then the
Speaker 1: other team. But now, okay, so there were three people
Speaker 1: chosen to go to the gallery and be like the guessers,
Speaker 1: and those are also three people who could potentially get
Speaker 1: a shield. Correct. I didn't understand how they got selected.
Speaker 2: Well, the thing that Eric said that was really interesting was, look,
Speaker 2: every nobody knows how to do this, so why don't
Speaker 2: we nominate somebody else?
Speaker 1: Right, And so it's just the first three people who spoke.
Speaker 2: Well, no, they started saying each other's names, like all right,
Speaker 2: we'll do this, we'll do that, and then Rob, very
Speaker 2: smartly again was like I got a feeling I might
Speaker 2: be killed, and so, uh, Johnny was like, you take
Speaker 2: my spot, then don't worry about it because people had
Speaker 2: nominated Johnny. So then next thing, you know, the one
Speaker 2: trader who know you know, is there with the two faiths.
Speaker 2: It's just ah, God, he's playing so well, I know,
Speaker 2: and I can't believe that the other people who know
Speaker 2: that he has the dagger situation wouldn't be like Rob,
Speaker 2: You're okay.
Speaker 1: Don't go, you know, because you don't need the shield.
Speaker 1: You've got the double votes.
Speaker 2: None of them even said anything, right, but you could
Speaker 2: still be kicked out, I guess if and you know
Speaker 2: the but.
Speaker 1: You're looking at who has the potential to get an advantage, right,
Speaker 1: and if you know that Rob already has one advantage
Speaker 1: and you're part of that six person alliance, wouldn't you
Speaker 1: be like Robert, Rob, Rob, let me go like Natalie
Speaker 1: or something like that. Yeah, yeah, Natalie's playing horribly by
Speaker 1: the way most people are.
Speaker 2: At least episode was like I'm bad, I just games
Speaker 2: clearly well.
Speaker 1: They all have had that kind of moment. I mean,
Speaker 1: Kristen has that bullbent too. She's like, obviously my instincts
Speaker 1: are well off. I'm just gonna do the opposite. That's smart, man, Like,
Speaker 1: start recognizing your inability to guess.
Speaker 2: The number of conversations that happened this episode of people
Speaker 2: just going who do you think it is? I have
Speaker 2: no good idea, Like that must have happened four times
Speaker 2: this episode, just like I don't know, I don't know
Speaker 2: anymore who it is.
Speaker 1: So it's and that's why. But they get better at
Speaker 1: it when they admit that. So I think the better
Speaker 1: way to come into this game is just be like
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna listen, yeah, and be open and not
Speaker 1: charge at anybody, because it seems like whenever they take
Speaker 1: a stance, they're pretty much wrong. And if there's only
Speaker 1: one trader now, if it's just him left, the bull's.
Speaker 4: Eye is so small, it's like, oh god, it's great,
Speaker 4: all right, all right, this reenacted painting thing with this
Speaker 4: photo which is actually really fun.
Speaker 1: I don't know. They said his face looked more like
Speaker 1: a horse than like it was Johnny's face.
Speaker 2: He's dressed like a cow, and they have utters and
Speaker 2: she's they're like holding onto the thing and like car
Speaker 2: that's a car, Like wait.
Speaker 1: What pretty funny though how much the one team was
Speaker 1: pretty like got it every time and they're killing it.
Speaker 1: No clue, yeah, really bad kind of rightfully, So, like
Speaker 1: they have the traders quarreling and they they like do
Speaker 1: a fight scene and like, but it's traders. You know
Speaker 1: what traders look like? You could be like in hoods
Speaker 1: or like looking like you know, I don't know that
Speaker 1: a lot of a lot of not great choices.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is right up your alley though, this game,
Speaker 2: it's right in your wheelhouse.
Speaker 1: Loved it, loved it. Yeah, that's why I was like,
Speaker 1: I just want to play this game. Kristen finds the shield,
Speaker 1: which is good, Like, so does that shield last forever?
Speaker 1: Or is that only for this round tabe? I think
Speaker 1: it's one round table. I think that's it. She just
Speaker 1: like I can't sleep. But then does that mean that
Speaker 1: she couldn't be enlisted? Like could she get the ultimatum? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I think so, which she's who I would have gone
Speaker 1: for franklish. But if she can't be killed, then you
Speaker 1: can't give her the ultimatum. Well no, I don't think.
Speaker 1: I don't think it's that you can't be killed. I
Speaker 1: think it's oh no, it is you can't be or
Speaker 1: is it you can't be killed and you can't be
Speaker 1: banished or is it just killed? I think it's just killed.
Speaker 1: I thought the shield was just okay.
Speaker 2: You won't be murdered that night, So then maybe she
Speaker 2: couldn't get it. Yeah, or maybe maybe no, No, you're right, no,
Speaker 2: because I was gonna say, maybe it goes away after
Speaker 2: the roundtable, but no, the murder hadn't happened yet, So
Speaker 2: maybe you're right. Maybe she she couldn't be ultimatum.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because everyone then would have known. Yeah. Okay, interesting,
Speaker 1: what do they call it? Seduced? That's what they keep saying, seduced.
Speaker 1: After the mission back at the castle, Eric and Johnny
Speaker 1: are talking Candace and Steven gets thrown out there does
Speaker 1: the housewives thing.
Speaker 2: It's throwing me a little bit more because apparently there's
Speaker 2: all these rules to being a housewife. That what you
Speaker 2: didn't Well, like they said, how it started with jam
Speaker 2: Jam this week, who commented on our post by the way,
Speaker 2: which is pretty awesome.
Speaker 1: Did you not see that?
Speaker 2: No, he just said he commented on our post this week,
Speaker 2: just saying like it's been wild or something like that.
Speaker 2: So he commented on our Instagram. But Jam Jam said, like,
Speaker 2: housewives don't ever kiss anyone on the cheek, housewives don't
Speaker 2: blah blah blah. So there's we need an next. We
Speaker 2: need a Housewives expert, is what I'm saying, because I've
Speaker 2: never seen one. I know my wife watches it, but
Speaker 2: she's not gonna do the show. So we need to
Speaker 2: We need to talk to somebody because I don't know.
Speaker 2: I don't get it. I don't get it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean when you say rules, you mean just
Speaker 1: like cultural practices.
Speaker 2: I guess, yeah, like like housewives don't kiss anybody for
Speaker 2: some reason.
Speaker 1: I don't know. Housewives only drink two bottles of rose
Speaker 1: a day. Right, we're married, so how are they housewives? Like,
Speaker 1: I don't I don't get the rules.
Speaker 2: We need to talk to somebody, so I don't know,
Speaker 2: put it out into the ether because I don't get it.
Speaker 2: But she's still a housewife? Who Derinda or no? Well,
Speaker 2: Derinda and Candace Candace were both still housewives.
Speaker 1: Are they the only ones left? Yeah? I mean Candas
Speaker 1: is no longer there, but yes.
Speaker 2: There was also something mentioned earlier in this episode that
Speaker 2: I think we need to touch on a little bit,
Speaker 2: which is somebody said there's got to be a man
Speaker 2: in there.
Speaker 1: Yea, oh, this is right right here. I think it
Speaker 1: was just where Eric are talking about Candace, and that's
Speaker 1: why he's like, I feel a male energy and he
Speaker 1: turns out Stephen because unless they picked all women, they've
Speaker 1: got to vote a guy at some point, right, I
Speaker 1: mean you think unless unless they literally think in the house, Wow,
Speaker 1: can you imagine if all the traders are women, right,
Speaker 1: it seem like there'd have to be a guy, right,
Speaker 1: because at this point they know that they voted out
Speaker 1: Lisa and Donna, so it's only been two women, So
Speaker 1: it does make sense. I don't know why he says,
Speaker 1: like a male energy, but I do think that it
Speaker 1: just the odds are it's probably a guy because at
Speaker 1: this point they're like, oh, it's probably three, right, and
Speaker 1: so we've already voted out two women.
Speaker 2: Probably a guy, you think, Yeah.
Speaker 1: Anyway, Dirinda is gunning for Candace and Stephen in a
Speaker 1: conversation with Maura and Tara. Then Dirinda points out this
Speaker 1: interesting fact that Lisa shared all of her gold with
Speaker 1: Steven at the last mission, which isn't a good point,
Speaker 1: Like that's actually evidence, And I'm like, Yeah, that's a
Speaker 1: good call and something that like, I didn't notice that.
Speaker 1: I don't know if anybody noticed, but it does make
Speaker 1: sense because it's like you're looking at what the trader
Speaker 1: did from the last time. Stephen has been flying under
Speaker 1: the radar, so right, And then Stephen and Candace have
Speaker 1: this moment where Steven tells her that Colton had her name.
Speaker 1: Rob walks in and asks to talk alone with Candace,
Speaker 1: which is a ballsy move. Yeah, and interestingly, I don't
Speaker 1: think Steven picked up enough on that moment. Now, granted,
Speaker 1: he had just kind of done the same thing by
Speaker 1: saying he and Candace wanted to have a private moment,
Speaker 1: but when Rob walks in, it'says, leave us alone to talk.
Speaker 1: I was like, and he just walked away.
Speaker 2: He was like cool, yeah, sure, yeah, because nobody suspects Rob.
Speaker 1: It's crazy easy to me nobody suspects him.
Speaker 2: He could literally walk in and be like, hey, dude,
Speaker 2: can I talk to this person by myself?
Speaker 1: They're like, you got it, Rob, and that's it. It's great,
Speaker 1: all right, homie. You got so sweet.
Speaker 2: God, it's so nice to know you're a faithful Go
Speaker 2: get you some samming.
Speaker 1: So then Rob and Candice have their confrontation, and he
Speaker 1: lies very well to her. It's because she says, when
Speaker 1: did Colton say my name? And he goes this morning,
Speaker 1: or no, when did you find out he said this morning?
Speaker 1: This morning? Because he just lies right to her face.
Speaker 1: But and what's great is that he let her choose
Speaker 1: to kill Colton. So, I mean, this is where it
Speaker 1: just is revealed. And then she calls him a snake
Speaker 1: and he's like, it's a game, yeah, and he's like
Speaker 1: so right. He says, the game is literally called Traders,
Speaker 1: called Traders, and then yeah, but then he kind of
Speaker 1: criticizes her sportsmanship, right, She's like, that's not very sportsman like,
Speaker 1: which is another way of kind of calling her a snake.
Speaker 1: And I'm just like, both of you guys, just like,
Speaker 1: it's not you know, just play the game. Just recognize
Speaker 1: you're lying to each other's face for the sake of
Speaker 1: a fun game. It's not that big of a deal.
Speaker 2: I think one of the things I'm learning the more
Speaker 2: and more I watch this is to be truly successful
Speaker 2: at this game, you have to rig it so other
Speaker 2: people are doing all of the heavy lifting. Yes, you
Speaker 2: plant the seeds, you plant the seed, you walk away,
Speaker 2: and you walk away, and you keep your mouth shut,
Speaker 2: and then occasionally you throw in something to back up
Speaker 2: whoever is going against the person you want out.
Speaker 1: And that's what's so great.
Speaker 2: I'd also like to point out, does it not seem
Speaker 2: like it's been five years since Michael Rappaport was.
Speaker 1: On this show?
Speaker 3: Yes, decades.
Speaker 1: It was the early nineties when Michael Rappaport was.
Speaker 3: On this show.
Speaker 1: Well, it's crazy how much the culture of the Castle changes,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like, yeah, that's what I'm
Speaker 1: interested in. How it's going to be less housewifey now,
Speaker 1: you know, because if we're really down to just Derinda,
Speaker 1: it's like we, I mean, everybody we have left. They're
Speaker 1: more like gamers. They're more understated, which could make for
Speaker 1: more of a cutthroat, evidence based game, maybe less emotional,
Speaker 1: which I'm here for. It's great, it's great. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: but I think Steven is really Steven and Johnny are
Speaker 1: really setting themselves up to be targeted. Oh hell yeah.
Speaker 1: I also think in a weird way, so is Mark.
Speaker 1: But Mark is just completely flying under the radar life
Speaker 1: that's why.
Speaker 2: And they're all talking about we need to start looking
Speaker 2: at places we would never look. So people like Mark
Speaker 2: and people like Kristen, right, who are just quiet and steadfast,
Speaker 2: are I think the next people that are going to
Speaker 2: be targeted those three with Steven as well. It's like, yeah, okay,
Speaker 2: but here's my question that I started realizing. It's like,
Speaker 2: at a certain point, you've voted out all the traders potentially,
Speaker 2: and then what happens, Like does nobody get murdered?
Speaker 1: Like what if? Well, they just what that's what they do.
Speaker 2: They hit So if memory serves from the last one,
Speaker 2: they you get to a certain point and you all
Speaker 2: agree to stop playing.
Speaker 1: And that can happen with like six people or eight people?
Speaker 1: Does that only happen when they get down this.
Speaker 2: It's not going to be eight. I think there's been
Speaker 2: different numbers of people each year. I think sometimes there
Speaker 2: was three. I think once there was three. I think
Speaker 2: once there was four. So my guess is they'll get
Speaker 2: to four or five and they'll kind of look around
Speaker 2: and be like, I think we got them all. If
Speaker 2: we got them all, then we go to the last
Speaker 2: big ceremony, you drink the blood of there.
Speaker 1: But if you're a trader and you're the only one left,
Speaker 1: that's a great thing for you to insist on. Of
Speaker 1: course we got them all, but but wouldn't you know
Speaker 1: you got them all because there there would be no
Speaker 1: more murders.
Speaker 2: But that's the thing is I think they I think
Speaker 2: at that point, that's when you get to a small
Speaker 2: number of people, I think they have to they stop
Speaker 2: it in a certa.
Speaker 1: So okay, I see, this is my hard time with
Speaker 1: this whole game, because when you get to the point,
Speaker 1: like if you know that they're not going to stop
Speaker 1: the game, like let's say you vote out three traders
Speaker 1: in a row, which like they could do next week
Speaker 1: right like next week they could vote out you know
Speaker 1: that they're just going to keep enlisting. So like the
Speaker 1: idea of thinking about this static group of traders and
Speaker 1: faithful it's kind of ridiculous because it's always going to
Speaker 1: be there's going to be traders all the way up
Speaker 1: until there's four of you left potentially. Or is it
Speaker 1: really possible that you could vote out three traders and
Speaker 1: be done and then like ten of you are left
Speaker 1: if you were really playing well I get, I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: My guess is you they break it up in such
Speaker 2: a way to where you're always going to be recruiting
Speaker 2: because I don't think you're allowed to have one trader,
Speaker 2: so it's like you got to go get your next one.
Speaker 1: You gotta go it.
Speaker 2: Why there's only over ever two Sith rider. There could
Speaker 2: be plenty of Jedi, but only two Sith, a master
Speaker 2: and an apprentice.
Speaker 1: Okay, If all traders are banished on the Traders, the
Speaker 1: remaining faithful contestants win the entire accumulative prize pod and
Speaker 1: share equally. The game essentially concludes early as no traders
Speaker 1: remained to murder player. Right, So wouldn't you know that
Speaker 1: you've gotten rid of all the traders because you wake
Speaker 1: up the next morning and nobody got murdered.
Speaker 2: So wait, what you're saying is if they pick right
Speaker 2: in a row, three in a row or four in
Speaker 2: a row, games over, game's over. Like if they murdered
Speaker 2: Rob next week, I mean, I guess now he's enlisted Eric,
Speaker 2: so we know that. But like if he didn't enlist
Speaker 2: and they just murdered him or banished him like tonight,
Speaker 2: yeah think she said, I guess you'd have to find
Speaker 2: out because it's never happened.
Speaker 1: So I'm just saying the producers are gonna make sure
Speaker 1: that never happens. They're always going to keep him listening
Speaker 1: and they keep murdering. But actually, if you're a faithful
Speaker 1: I don't know. It's this game is just manipulation.
Speaker 2: I thought, I thought of the most brilliant thing in
Speaker 2: the world to do, and it's such a James Bond
Speaker 2: kind of thing and would be fully illegal and I
Speaker 2: love it. So you when you first get to the
Speaker 2: to the tower the day that they pick the traders, Okay,
Speaker 2: you come up with the lemon water concoction on your
Speaker 2: hand that nobody can see, the one that's that that
Speaker 2: can only be seen in certain lights, and you shake
Speaker 2: Alan Cummings hand.
Speaker 1: So when he touches.
Speaker 2: Everybody on the shoulder, you then put on your glasses
Speaker 2: to see the marks on each person's shoulder that he hit,
Speaker 2: and you'd know who the traders were.
Speaker 1: Wow, that's devious, right, yeah?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: What is this lemon thing that you're talking? There's like
Speaker 1: did you ever watch what was the one he did.
Speaker 2: In uh National Treasure where it's like this kind of
Speaker 2: soluble it's like liquid where there's some lemon juice and
Speaker 2: some stuff in that that you can't see it on anything,
Speaker 2: but under.
Speaker 1: A black light, it pops up.
Speaker 2: Wow, So you do you shake his hand and then
Speaker 2: the hand he touches everybody with that, he literally mark
Speaker 2: them wow with this invisible ink. And then you pop
Speaker 2: on your glasses, your specialty glasses, and wow.
Speaker 1: That's that's that's that's going to the next level. And
Speaker 1: I'm sure the producers would would would have a problem
Speaker 1: with that. Tell them our back. We're into the round table.
Speaker 1: Candace and Rob said they're going after another. They're just
Speaker 1: doing which is just dumb, like on her part, dumb
Speaker 1: on her part. Yes, and Rob says he's just gonna
Speaker 1: stay calm. Let Candace scream and yell and be emotion
Speaker 1: because the more you protest, the more guilty you look,
Speaker 1: which is exactly right. And what happened. Then Johnny jumps
Speaker 1: in starts off by saying Colton had mentioned Steven, which
Speaker 1: was like, yeah, well, Colton's mentioned so many people he mentioned.
Speaker 1: I feel like Steven's really screwed now, like, oh, you know,
Speaker 1: he's People are just not trusting Steven or Johnny like
Speaker 1: those two for whatever reason. I just feel like they're
Speaker 1: they're gone down. I think Johnny might be next. I
Speaker 1: think Johnny next, I think so too. Dernda brings up
Speaker 1: that Lisa gave her goal to Stephen, which is a
Speaker 1: great argument legit, and he his defense is I wouldn't
Speaker 1: have given like like I asked for it, Like I
Speaker 1: just went up to her and asked what she did
Speaker 1: what she did and was like, you know, He's like,
Speaker 1: I don't have an alliance with her. It wasn't like
Speaker 1: she just offered it to me like I, you know,
Speaker 1: which was a good defense, and it is true.
Speaker 2: It's also I was thinking about this as he was
Speaker 2: making his his his appeal, essentially that he was not
Speaker 2: a trader. The thing that I was thinking about was
Speaker 2: how easy it is to not have to lie. It's
Speaker 2: like you don't have to keep anything straight in your head,
Speaker 2: you don't have to do anything. Yes, you have to
Speaker 2: fight for your life, but at the same time, it's
Speaker 2: not like what did I say two tables ago. It's
Speaker 2: just like I just walked bucked up and I asked
Speaker 2: her for her gold.
Speaker 1: Like that's what happened. You're not making anything up. That
Speaker 1: seems to be the best policy as a faithful is
Speaker 1: to just just play it completely straight, never never lie
Speaker 1: about anything, and right.
Speaker 2: It's just it's because you don't have anything to keep
Speaker 2: straight in your head. You don't have to do anything.
Speaker 2: Just this is what happened. Yeah, I can see how
Speaker 2: that'd be weird. But I walked up and asked her,
Speaker 2: and so she gave me.
Speaker 1: Your gold, right right, all right? Well, then Eric brings
Speaker 1: up Candace, which is obviously accurate and great, and then
Speaker 1: Candace just goes for Rob, points out his nervousness with
Speaker 1: his like dropping his fork at breakfast, which you know
Speaker 1: isn't It is an okay attempt at at an argument,
Speaker 1: but he's just not He's pretty unflappable, so like and had.
Speaker 2: A great excuse, which is what exactly because I always
Speaker 2: think about what would I say? What would I say
Speaker 2: if that same thing happened, And before he even said it,
Speaker 2: I'd be like, no, I was just upset. I just
Speaker 2: lost like my best friend in the game, right exactly
Speaker 2: what he said?
Speaker 1: All right? Yeah, And I think it's just a really
Speaker 1: bad look for Candas to go after Rob so much,
Speaker 1: especially the night after you've made it a throwaway, I know.
Speaker 1: And now all of a sudden inconsistency in her argument. Yes,
Speaker 1: she should have pulled back from Rob. I mean she
Speaker 1: should have just decided to stay a trader, joining Rob
Speaker 1: like the idea. Like she should have the second Lisa
Speaker 1: was voted out and they had the beginning of this
Speaker 1: episode their turret meeting. She should have been like, cool man,
Speaker 1: you won. Now I'm I'm in order to stay in
Speaker 1: this game, I'm gonna listen to you and be a
Speaker 1: trader partner with you. Like why she gets so emotional
Speaker 1: and makes it about like Rob being a bad trader, Like, no,
Speaker 1: he did the smartest thing, and if she were smart,
Speaker 1: she would join him at the beginning of this episode
Speaker 1: and say what do you think we should do? And
Speaker 1: he probably would have said, let's enlist somebody, let's you know,
Speaker 1: expand this and then keep murdering. Yeah, And she's so
Speaker 1: it's just so dumb to go against him because she
Speaker 1: he holds all the cards, like.
Speaker 2: She just let all her mind. She he even holds
Speaker 2: cards she doesn't know about. She doesn't he has the
Speaker 2: dagger or any of that. She doesn't he didn't tell
Speaker 2: He didn't tell all the traders about that.
Speaker 1: No, remember he does.
Speaker 2: Nobody has been told that he has the dagger, the
Speaker 2: five people that he was with, but it was no
Speaker 2: other traders know that he has to dag so yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean I would have said to her she had
Speaker 2: like six votes the night before, she was dead weight.
Speaker 2: I'm telling you they were going to vote her out anyway.
Speaker 2: The smartest thing for us to do is back that
Speaker 2: vote so we don't look like traders. Now you look
Speaker 2: like a trader. I mean you just you put yourself
Speaker 2: on the radar. This is just bad playing yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then pointing to him, it's just it's so bad.
Speaker 1: Don't do it. So Moira and Eric vote for Candace.
Speaker 1: And that's when I was like, oh, it's it's happening,
Speaker 1: because there was a moment after the discussion I was like,
Speaker 1: did they rally enough votes for Candace? Like it didn't
Speaker 1: seem like it necessarily. But then when Johnny voted Candace,
Speaker 1: all right, Candas votes for Rob and Johnny says Candace,
Speaker 1: and I was like, oh, it's over, she's gone. That's
Speaker 1: the same thing. Now, it's just let the dominoes fall.
Speaker 1: And sure enough, Kristen votes for Candace to rin it
Speaker 1: does too. Natalie votes for Tara, which is like, there's
Speaker 1: still like this personal vendetta because she had thrown her
Speaker 1: out the night before or whatever. But this is where
Speaker 1: I'm like, Natalie, what are you doing? Like, she's just
Speaker 1: not playing very well. Man, No, and neither's Terror, but
Speaker 1: at least Tara knows she's not playing. Yeah. Rob obviously
Speaker 1: votes for Candace and Mark Tara, who like cries while
Speaker 1: she's doing it, vote votes for Candace, and then Steven two.
Speaker 1: Was this the most votes for one person? It seems
Speaker 1: like it. Yeah, I think so pretty pretty Yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean it's only Natalie and Candace didn't vote for her. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so and they were right, yep, say, second round table
Speaker 1: in a row. Like they're actually playing well, they should
Speaker 1: actually like and they're playing well because of Rob. They're
Speaker 1: playing well because of the trader. That's he's just he's
Speaker 1: manipulating everything. He's playing them.
Speaker 2: Like a fiddle. It's unbelievable to watch this. It is
Speaker 2: a virtuo.
Speaker 1: So for Hormans, it really is well. And then in
Speaker 1: the turred afterwards, Rob discussing who he's going to invite
Speaker 1: to be a trader. I think he's got to do it,
Speaker 1: he says, is Johnny, which is he's like, is a
Speaker 1: pure evil planned because he's like he would just get
Speaker 1: voted out because he's already suspensed, so which I was like, dude, Rob,
Speaker 1: that's brilliant. Like he could pick Johnny knowing that Johnny
Speaker 1: was would get banished the next night basically, and then
Speaker 1: he wouldn't have to murder I mean, like that's deVie is.
Speaker 1: But then he doesn't end up doing that. He ends
Speaker 1: up picking Eric and his I watched three times.
Speaker 2: Eric's just shows how good Rob is at this game
Speaker 2: because he pulls off his hood and it is the
Speaker 2: best reaction watching Eric see who the trader is, Like,
Speaker 2: you've got to be kidding me, it's you.
Speaker 1: Oh god, It's just it's delicious. I also just love
Speaker 1: when Eric gets invited to be you know, and he's
Speaker 1: just like, I know who it is. It's Johnny. You
Speaker 1: know it's not. But then also I just love it.
Speaker 1: He's like, this is what I get for being nice? Yeah,
Speaker 1: And I was like, that would be men would be
Speaker 1: I thought the same thing. That's writer's response, like I
Speaker 1: don't want to do this. I don't want to be murdered.
Speaker 1: I don't want to be a trader, Like I don't
Speaker 1: have to lie to people's faces now I would Yeah,
Speaker 1: that would be my worst nightmare. Is I would. I
Speaker 1: would start the game as a faithful just no okay,
Speaker 1: no pressure, just like you said, just be honest, don't
Speaker 1: have to lie, never lie, and then get enlisted and
Speaker 1: have to be a trader. Yeah, I'd be so bad,
Speaker 1: talk about like dropping forks. I would just be like
Speaker 1: running into walls, and I wonderumbling over my words. Anybody
Speaker 1: would say murder me, like, I don't want to do it.
Speaker 1: I can't do it. I can't be a trader. I
Speaker 1: don't want to do it. It's not probably for me. I
Speaker 1: probably will be dead. I probably would.
Speaker 2: But then I want to know what happens. Do they
Speaker 2: have to you have to go pick somebody else? I
Speaker 2: guess because an ultimatum you could choose to not be
Speaker 2: But I mean, for a trader, if there's a thing,
Speaker 2: you can't just have one, then that he has to
Speaker 2: go to somebody else.
Speaker 1: It probably has to keep going on the line. But
Speaker 1: you would just get murdered. So Eric would just get
Speaker 1: murdered and get off the and and no one would
Speaker 1: know that he got murdered with the option of being
Speaker 1: enlisted exactly, I mean, I I mean that's the real
Speaker 1: definition of a faithful. You go to the grave faithful. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean that's I don't think you care do that. No,
Speaker 1: you got to play the game. I mean I don't. Yeah,
Speaker 1: although if I was in the situation, I probably please
Speaker 1: get me out of here. I can't. I can't go
Speaker 1: buy my own smoke salmon. I don't need to deal
Speaker 1: with the hugs and the kisses and my own castle
Speaker 1: down the street.
Speaker 2: I'm just gonna I've got I'm gonna do it on
Speaker 2: my own, Thank you very much. Well.
Speaker 1: I was actually surprised that they ended with revealing that
Speaker 1: it was Eric that he had chosen to give the
Speaker 1: ultimatum to, because usually we end on more of a cliffhanger.
Speaker 1: What they chose so interesting. Interesting.
Speaker 2: I'm glad they did. I'm glad, I know, but it's
Speaker 2: still I agreed with you one hundred percent. I'm like,
Speaker 2: they're gonna I figured the last shot was going to
Speaker 2: be the envelope on the chair. It was the perfect
Speaker 2: ending shot exactly that was gonna be, or maybe a
Speaker 2: hand coming that that that would have been it, and
Speaker 2: then that was it. Of course, if it was a
Speaker 2: fur lined, gloved hand, you'd be like, oh yeah.
Speaker 1: So I think think Rub's thinking was Johnny would be
Speaker 1: the person you enlist who suspicious, right, Eric is somebody
Speaker 1: who because he's a gamer, because you know, like there,
Speaker 1: he would be kind of in between. And the other
Speaker 1: option he throws out is Mark, who nobody has suspected
Speaker 1: of anything. So it's interesting. I feel like he chose
Speaker 1: the sort of middle ground, do you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Because Eric could go either way, Like Eric could be
Speaker 1: just like the nice guy that nobody ever thinks, or
Speaker 1: they're going to go for him because he's been too
Speaker 1: like under the radar, whereas Mark truly has been getting
Speaker 1: a pass by everybody like.
Speaker 2: Rob Yeah, like I'm always I'm so so We've we've
Speaker 2: heard little snippets through the grapevine of how much is
Speaker 2: on the cutting room floor, and you wonder, I mean,
Speaker 2: you we both know this industry well enough. Could they
Speaker 2: have taken exactly the footage that they have from the
Speaker 2: beginning and recut the entire show where Mark just looks
Speaker 2: guilty the entire time m hm, or he's playing brilliantly
Speaker 2: or something like that, because it doesn't seem like they're
Speaker 2: focusing on him at all.
Speaker 1: No, he's mostly just been cut around. It's like, like
Speaker 1: you even get to see him like socializing or being in.
Speaker 2: You know, it just it also just shows you what
Speaker 2: they're doing. I read an interview the other day. I
Speaker 2: forget it might have been with Jam Jam. I forget
Speaker 2: who it was with or Kristen, but they talk about
Speaker 2: how that banquet was six hours long. Oh my god,
Speaker 2: they shot that for six hours. So I mean crazy,
Speaker 2: crazy what we're seeing.
Speaker 1: And what we're not. Yeah, no thanks. Yeah.
Speaker 2: As you know, I am not only a expert on dance,
Speaker 2: but I'm also expert on the famous traders throughout history
Speaker 2: m hm.
Speaker 1: In a segment that I call it.
Speaker 2: With History Trade Hate Wow, almost like a rock metal
Speaker 2: kind of but like Broadway vibe, does that work?
Speaker 1: I'm still working on it anyway.
Speaker 2: Today's installment is Pedro Perterno from eighteen fifty seven to
Speaker 2: nineteen eleven. Pedro Praturno is considered the most infamous trader
Speaker 2: in the history of the Philippines. He's a well regarded
Speaker 2: writer and lawyer who never missed an opportunity to gain
Speaker 2: opportunity unity. He negotiated an agreement with the Spanish Empire
Speaker 2: in eighteen ninety seven in which Filipino revolutionaries would end
Speaker 2: their fight with the Spanish and cooperate with them. He
Speaker 2: urged the Philippines to fight against the United States during
Speaker 2: the Spanish American War and to continue to resist American
Speaker 2: occupation after Spain lost the war. After he was captured
Speaker 2: by the Americans, though, he swore allegiance to the US
Speaker 2: and became president of the Consultive Assembly.
Speaker 1: Whoa so consultive consultant?
Speaker 3: Yes?
Speaker 1: Yeah, Spain then goes to the US. So wait, did
Speaker 1: he get away with it?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 1: Did he live a good life?
Speaker 3: That?
Speaker 1: I Am going to tell you later? How you have
Speaker 1: all this information? I do? It's a it's in my head.
Speaker 1: But I like to leave on a cliffhanger, just like
Speaker 1: you do. Writer. Okay, well, that will do it. For
Speaker 1: this episode of Podmead's World, alliances were tested, trust missed, placed,
Speaker 1: and once again we're left with somewhat of a cliffhanger.
Speaker 1: Join us next time as we continue our journey through
Speaker 1: season four of Traders, a show in which, as Shakespeare
Speaker 1: said in his Scottish play, is foul and foul is fair.
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