1 00:00:04,720 --> 00:00:09,200 Speaker 1: Welcome to NFL Daily, where we are in Oxnard, California 2 00:00:09,680 --> 00:00:13,440 Speaker 1: to watch some Dallas Cowboys training camp practice. I'm Greg 3 00:00:13,520 --> 00:00:18,440 Speaker 1: Rosenthal and I am here with my Joy Taylor, with 4 00:00:18,520 --> 00:00:24,040 Speaker 1: my Jason McIntyre. Chris Babona, our producer volunteered really insisted 5 00:00:24,120 --> 00:00:25,960 Speaker 1: on sitting in the chair next to me for the 6 00:00:26,000 --> 00:00:28,600 Speaker 1: top of this show, where we're just gonna rip through 7 00:00:28,600 --> 00:00:32,159 Speaker 1: some news. So our YouTube subscribers are in for a 8 00:00:32,200 --> 00:00:34,680 Speaker 1: treat today. That is how you sold yourself, and you 9 00:00:34,720 --> 00:00:37,360 Speaker 1: were very pushy about it that you could be my 10 00:00:37,560 --> 00:00:39,159 Speaker 1: Joy Taylor, and I'm Colin Ken. 11 00:00:39,240 --> 00:00:41,560 Speaker 2: I'm here to serve you some softballs, Greg, So I'll 12 00:00:41,560 --> 00:00:44,560 Speaker 2: just give some smiles to the camera, ask some good questions. Okay, 13 00:00:44,720 --> 00:00:45,680 Speaker 2: we'll get through the stopper. 14 00:00:45,800 --> 00:00:49,600 Speaker 1: I love it. We're gonna throw to a segment we 15 00:00:49,640 --> 00:00:52,920 Speaker 1: did earlier in the studio with my good friends Patrick 16 00:00:52,960 --> 00:00:56,600 Speaker 1: Claibhon and Jordan Rodrigue. I really love this segment. It's 17 00:00:56,640 --> 00:00:59,960 Speaker 1: called I Can Fix It, and we go through different 18 00:01:00,080 --> 00:01:03,240 Speaker 1: players around the NFL that we think coaches or teams 19 00:01:03,280 --> 00:01:06,560 Speaker 1: can fix kind of reclamation type projects. So stay tuned 20 00:01:06,600 --> 00:01:09,640 Speaker 1: for that. We're going to go through seven items of 21 00:01:09,760 --> 00:01:12,679 Speaker 1: news before that, and then we're going to get to 22 00:01:12,720 --> 00:01:15,840 Speaker 1: the segment and everything we learn at Cowboys practice. I 23 00:01:15,880 --> 00:01:17,760 Speaker 1: wanted to give a shout out to We're going to 24 00:01:17,760 --> 00:01:21,600 Speaker 1: be putting up as a YouTube exclusive some takeaways from 25 00:01:21,680 --> 00:01:25,960 Speaker 1: the practice and a couple of interviews with Cowboys players 26 00:01:26,000 --> 00:01:29,440 Speaker 1: Demarvion Overshown and Dante Fowler. It's going to be a 27 00:01:29,480 --> 00:01:32,560 Speaker 1: really good, in depth short view of the Cowboys to 28 00:01:32,680 --> 00:01:36,919 Speaker 1: check that out as a YouTube exclusive. Let's get into this, Chris, 29 00:01:37,400 --> 00:01:39,760 Speaker 1: I just like that this is making our actual producer, 30 00:01:39,880 --> 00:01:42,080 Speaker 1: Eric feel very uncomfortable. He didn't really like this. 31 00:01:42,160 --> 00:01:43,920 Speaker 2: I like, this is not a good idea, man. But 32 00:01:44,000 --> 00:01:45,679 Speaker 2: I don't know, I feel like a little like the 33 00:01:45,720 --> 00:01:48,960 Speaker 2: Wally Pip moment. You know, no, you know what we're 34 00:01:49,000 --> 00:01:51,440 Speaker 2: not looking for. We're not looking We have a lot 35 00:01:51,440 --> 00:01:54,480 Speaker 2: of co hosts. I love your energy, I love your 36 00:01:54,720 --> 00:01:57,600 Speaker 2: voice on the mic. But Eric is amazing running the 37 00:01:57,640 --> 00:02:00,560 Speaker 2: shows and making it sound great. Let's start with the 38 00:02:00,600 --> 00:02:02,920 Speaker 2: seven news items that you need to know. Number One, 39 00:02:03,320 --> 00:02:08,280 Speaker 2: Jordan Love went underwent surgery on his injured thumb. It 40 00:02:08,320 --> 00:02:10,280 Speaker 2: was on his left hand. He actually was able to 41 00:02:10,400 --> 00:02:14,040 Speaker 2: practice after suffering the injury in the preseason. They went 42 00:02:14,040 --> 00:02:16,320 Speaker 2: through one practice. They didn't like it. 43 00:02:16,400 --> 00:02:19,720 Speaker 1: They say he could be back to practice as early 44 00:02:19,840 --> 00:02:22,880 Speaker 1: as next week. He will not play in the preseason. 45 00:02:23,560 --> 00:02:26,480 Speaker 1: This is one of those preseason injuries that truly doesn't 46 00:02:27,080 --> 00:02:30,040 Speaker 1: mean anything. Have you noticed, Chris, now you're kind of 47 00:02:30,040 --> 00:02:33,480 Speaker 1: into this that every single injury in training camp, every 48 00:02:33,560 --> 00:02:36,840 Speaker 1: report is like, oh, it's fine, it's fine. Now, everything's 49 00:02:36,880 --> 00:02:38,720 Speaker 1: gonna be fine, everything's good for a week one. 50 00:02:38,960 --> 00:02:41,840 Speaker 2: Stafford, especially like that has been something you were very 51 00:02:41,880 --> 00:02:45,000 Speaker 2: early on as like, guys, shouldn't we be worried? And 52 00:02:45,320 --> 00:02:47,760 Speaker 2: I think now you were just like, you're right at 53 00:02:47,760 --> 00:02:48,639 Speaker 2: this point. 54 00:02:48,600 --> 00:02:50,160 Speaker 1: This is this is what he's here for. Just to 55 00:02:50,200 --> 00:02:53,280 Speaker 1: tell me I'm right over and over. Stafford. By the way, 56 00:02:53,600 --> 00:02:55,760 Speaker 1: still not back at practice, so that's a good shout out. 57 00:02:55,760 --> 00:02:58,040 Speaker 1: I'm not really worried about the Jordan Love thing, a 58 00:02:58,080 --> 00:03:00,840 Speaker 1: little more worried about the land and Dickerson injury. The 59 00:03:00,919 --> 00:03:03,520 Speaker 1: last time we updated the news, we said he was 60 00:03:03,760 --> 00:03:07,400 Speaker 1: undergoing further tests. It was a knee injury. There's a 61 00:03:07,520 --> 00:03:11,360 Speaker 1: chance that he will be ready for Week one. The 62 00:03:11,400 --> 00:03:15,240 Speaker 1: Eagles great guard Pro Bowl guard that they identified and 63 00:03:15,320 --> 00:03:18,639 Speaker 1: really developed. When he first went down with that injury, 64 00:03:18,680 --> 00:03:20,880 Speaker 1: you were worried he may have to, you know, miss 65 00:03:21,000 --> 00:03:22,720 Speaker 1: much of the season. So the fact that he has 66 00:03:22,720 --> 00:03:26,240 Speaker 1: a chance to play Week one is great news. Do 67 00:03:26,280 --> 00:03:30,200 Speaker 1: you know Chris the Week one opponent of the Philadelphia Eagles. 68 00:03:30,639 --> 00:03:34,520 Speaker 2: I do not know, but it must be the Dallas Cowboys. 69 00:03:34,600 --> 00:03:35,360 Speaker 1: He figured it out. 70 00:03:35,440 --> 00:03:37,520 Speaker 2: It just must be because we're here in Austar. 71 00:03:37,920 --> 00:03:40,840 Speaker 1: It is. That is the kickoff game. I feel like 72 00:03:40,920 --> 00:03:44,600 Speaker 1: if you want to have that sort of spot where 73 00:03:44,280 --> 00:03:46,960 Speaker 1: you're setting up the host, you need to know working 74 00:03:47,000 --> 00:03:50,000 Speaker 1: for the NFL, what is the NFL kickoff game. It's 75 00:03:50,000 --> 00:03:53,040 Speaker 1: like literally the biggest game of the entire year. So 76 00:03:53,120 --> 00:03:55,440 Speaker 1: that's a knock on you. But yeah, Dickerson got to 77 00:03:55,440 --> 00:03:57,520 Speaker 1: be back, and that's great news because I was a 78 00:03:57,520 --> 00:04:01,120 Speaker 1: little worried about their guard position. We got news on Wednesday. 79 00:04:01,960 --> 00:04:05,520 Speaker 1: James Cook not only back on the field, he got 80 00:04:05,560 --> 00:04:09,360 Speaker 1: a new contract from the Buffalo Bills, thirty million dollars 81 00:04:09,600 --> 00:04:14,760 Speaker 1: guaranteed on a four year deal. I think it's a 82 00:04:14,800 --> 00:04:17,360 Speaker 1: team friendly deal, four for forty eight, so they didn't 83 00:04:17,440 --> 00:04:19,880 Speaker 1: break the bank, but he's getting a lot of guaranteed 84 00:04:19,920 --> 00:04:23,280 Speaker 1: money over the next two years. Had a feeling this 85 00:04:23,360 --> 00:04:26,880 Speaker 1: was coming when he was back at practice on Tuesday, 86 00:04:27,160 --> 00:04:29,240 Speaker 1: and I really give the Bills a ton of credit 87 00:04:29,279 --> 00:04:31,880 Speaker 1: for doing things the right way. Here are the recent 88 00:04:31,960 --> 00:04:34,599 Speaker 1: draft picks, all from Cook's draft class that they've re 89 00:04:34,680 --> 00:04:39,040 Speaker 1: signed to long term deals. Khalil Shakir very good slot receiver, 90 00:04:39,240 --> 00:04:43,560 Speaker 1: Christian Benford, Greg Russo both plus starters at cornerback and 91 00:04:43,640 --> 00:04:48,160 Speaker 1: edge dresher very valuable positions, and now James Cook. This 92 00:04:48,200 --> 00:04:51,160 Speaker 1: is a lesson for the team that we're about to 93 00:04:51,200 --> 00:04:54,520 Speaker 1: go cover the Dallas Cowboys, like, take care of your guys, 94 00:04:55,360 --> 00:04:58,240 Speaker 1: get the deals done early. It's also a lesson in 95 00:04:58,279 --> 00:05:00,840 Speaker 1: how consistent they have been at drafting. I know there's 96 00:05:00,880 --> 00:05:04,159 Speaker 1: been ups, there's been downs, but Buffalo overall in the 97 00:05:04,200 --> 00:05:08,080 Speaker 1: Brandon Bean era has been very good. Compare that, for instance, 98 00:05:08,120 --> 00:05:12,200 Speaker 1: to the Quessea Dolpha Mensa era in Minnesota, where they 99 00:05:12,320 --> 00:05:15,839 Speaker 1: might not even have their entire twenty two draft class 100 00:05:15,960 --> 00:05:17,640 Speaker 1: by the end of this training game. The only man 101 00:05:17,720 --> 00:05:20,960 Speaker 1: left is ty Chandler on that draft class. Let's go 102 00:05:21,040 --> 00:05:25,120 Speaker 1: to the Browns. That is the number four item of 103 00:05:25,160 --> 00:05:29,040 Speaker 1: news you need to know. On this Wednesday. Shouldur Sanders 104 00:05:29,320 --> 00:05:32,800 Speaker 1: was announced that he would start this preseason game by 105 00:05:32,880 --> 00:05:36,640 Speaker 1: Kevin Stefanski. If Dylan Gabriel was unable to go. Dylan 106 00:05:36,680 --> 00:05:39,279 Speaker 1: Gabriel doing a little more work at practice these days, 107 00:05:39,320 --> 00:05:42,760 Speaker 1: doing some eleven on Eleven's the bad news though, Bobona 108 00:05:43,200 --> 00:05:47,800 Speaker 1: should He got hurt an oblique injury at Wednesday's practice, 109 00:05:47,880 --> 00:05:50,279 Speaker 1: was unable to finish the practice. As we're taping, we 110 00:05:50,320 --> 00:05:53,080 Speaker 1: don't know how serious this is. But I think my 111 00:05:53,160 --> 00:05:56,480 Speaker 1: big takeaway here is that all this is nice, we're 112 00:05:56,520 --> 00:05:58,799 Speaker 1: developing for the future, but Joe Flacco is their starter. 113 00:05:58,920 --> 00:06:02,400 Speaker 1: He's the one getting all the first team reps at practice. 114 00:06:02,000 --> 00:06:05,200 Speaker 2: Now, and I think that shoulder obviously his homecoming his 115 00:06:05,240 --> 00:06:08,000 Speaker 2: first game was incredible against the Panthers. But I still 116 00:06:08,040 --> 00:06:09,760 Speaker 2: I want to see Gabriel. I want to see him 117 00:06:09,760 --> 00:06:12,480 Speaker 2: in that environment, see what he could do could if 118 00:06:12,520 --> 00:06:13,880 Speaker 2: he could play. I would love to see it. And 119 00:06:13,880 --> 00:06:16,160 Speaker 2: I know Stefanski said he also does want to see 120 00:06:16,160 --> 00:06:19,560 Speaker 2: both backup quarterbacks in the preseason for sure, But I 121 00:06:19,600 --> 00:06:23,640 Speaker 2: do think, yeah, Flatco for Week One's that's the shot. 122 00:06:23,839 --> 00:06:26,599 Speaker 1: Roberts has a huge smile on his face because Brian 123 00:06:26,640 --> 00:06:29,800 Speaker 1: Schottenheimer is about to start a press conference right behind me. 124 00:06:29,880 --> 00:06:33,560 Speaker 1: It's all coming together. While but Bona's giving great analysis there. 125 00:06:33,640 --> 00:06:35,280 Speaker 1: We'll rip through it just a couple more injuries. So 126 00:06:35,320 --> 00:06:37,280 Speaker 1: the number five item you need to know Trevor Penning, 127 00:06:37,800 --> 00:06:40,160 Speaker 1: the guard for the Saints. He's going to be out 128 00:06:40,400 --> 00:06:43,560 Speaker 1: with turf tow according to Nick Underhill of New Orleans Football, 129 00:06:43,560 --> 00:06:45,839 Speaker 1: which is a multi week injury. That's bad news for 130 00:06:45,880 --> 00:06:48,800 Speaker 1: their offensive line. Makai Becton, Remember the Eagles didn't want 131 00:06:48,839 --> 00:06:51,640 Speaker 1: to pay him at guard. It's kind of been quiet 132 00:06:51,640 --> 00:06:54,680 Speaker 1: there at Chargers camp. A big guy who struggled with 133 00:06:54,720 --> 00:06:56,760 Speaker 1: injuries in his career. Where has he been. He's been 134 00:06:56,760 --> 00:06:58,880 Speaker 1: gone for a couple of weeks. So you can combine that, 135 00:06:59,040 --> 00:07:03,480 Speaker 1: obviously with the injury to their starting left tackle Rashwan 136 00:07:03,600 --> 00:07:08,440 Speaker 1: Slater and then naj Harris having a Snapchat photo where 137 00:07:08,480 --> 00:07:11,480 Speaker 1: his eye was pretty clearly closed. It's been a bad 138 00:07:11,560 --> 00:07:15,480 Speaker 1: camp for the Chargers. A former Charger, Tyrod Taylor, by 139 00:07:15,480 --> 00:07:17,360 Speaker 1: the way out for the rest of training camp. That 140 00:07:17,520 --> 00:07:20,640 Speaker 1: is the number seven item that you need to know 141 00:07:21,200 --> 00:07:22,120 Speaker 1: on this Weddes. 142 00:07:21,960 --> 00:07:22,920 Speaker 2: That rounds out the list. 143 00:07:23,600 --> 00:07:26,160 Speaker 1: This is what he's here for. This is why Babona 144 00:07:26,520 --> 00:07:30,480 Speaker 1: makes the big bucks. Let's get to our segment. I 145 00:07:30,560 --> 00:07:44,640 Speaker 1: can fix him with myself, Patrick and Jordan back on 146 00:07:44,760 --> 00:07:49,239 Speaker 1: NFL Daily was about one year ago when a segment 147 00:07:49,520 --> 00:07:53,920 Speaker 1: debuted on this show that changed the game. That segment 148 00:07:54,120 --> 00:07:56,880 Speaker 1: is called God, I can fix him. 149 00:07:57,240 --> 00:07:57,960 Speaker 3: I can fix him. 150 00:07:58,000 --> 00:08:01,000 Speaker 1: You came up with this segment. Jordan, we're welcoming Patrick, 151 00:08:01,040 --> 00:08:04,760 Speaker 1: Claybahnd guys into the studio. Patrick, We're in a studio. 152 00:08:05,480 --> 00:08:07,800 Speaker 1: That was fun when I was back at Cowboys camp. 153 00:08:08,240 --> 00:08:13,239 Speaker 1: Please explain to me, Jordan, the genesis and the idea 154 00:08:13,280 --> 00:08:14,360 Speaker 1: behind I can fix them. Yeah. 155 00:08:14,360 --> 00:08:17,080 Speaker 4: I mean we've all been there, right, We've all believed 156 00:08:17,120 --> 00:08:19,800 Speaker 4: we can fix that person. So when we care about 157 00:08:20,680 --> 00:08:23,080 Speaker 4: maybe it's someone we're dating, maybe it's someone in our 158 00:08:23,120 --> 00:08:27,800 Speaker 4: immediate family or extended family, maybe it's a friend, you know, 159 00:08:28,160 --> 00:08:29,440 Speaker 4: I can fix that person. 160 00:08:29,600 --> 00:08:31,280 Speaker 3: I can set them on the right course. 161 00:08:31,760 --> 00:08:34,439 Speaker 4: In the NFL's case, it is the most I can 162 00:08:34,480 --> 00:08:39,160 Speaker 4: fix them league of all time. When you see coaches 163 00:08:39,200 --> 00:08:43,760 Speaker 4: take on other coaches, you know, discarded players. When you 164 00:08:43,880 --> 00:08:47,840 Speaker 4: see new coaches come in and overhaul systems and overhaul 165 00:08:47,920 --> 00:08:53,280 Speaker 4: position groups, when you see quarterbacks kind of get their second, third, fourth, fifth, 166 00:08:53,320 --> 00:08:58,840 Speaker 4: maybe nineteenth win under them, it's all the epic ego 167 00:08:58,880 --> 00:09:01,120 Speaker 4: and hubris of the league thinking you can actually be 168 00:09:01,160 --> 00:09:03,480 Speaker 4: the one to finally fix that person, and girls, sometimes 169 00:09:03,480 --> 00:09:04,319 Speaker 4: you just can't. 170 00:09:04,240 --> 00:09:08,280 Speaker 5: And and and then a rare example. It's a far 171 00:09:08,360 --> 00:09:11,800 Speaker 5: better practice the way it's done in the NFL than 172 00:09:11,800 --> 00:09:15,800 Speaker 5: out in the real world, where people are are people, 173 00:09:15,840 --> 00:09:20,440 Speaker 5: their unique products, and sometimes going into a relationship seeping 174 00:09:20,480 --> 00:09:24,080 Speaker 5: seeking to repair a person is not the ideal premise. 175 00:09:24,679 --> 00:09:26,200 Speaker 5: So it's better in the NFL. 176 00:09:26,240 --> 00:09:32,760 Speaker 1: Getting older is accepting that you're not gonna change anyone. 177 00:09:32,960 --> 00:09:36,800 Speaker 1: You can impact them absolutely, like and that's that's change, 178 00:09:36,880 --> 00:09:39,800 Speaker 1: and you can help, you can grow together. But there 179 00:09:39,800 --> 00:09:43,719 Speaker 1: are core fundamentals to a human that I think as 180 00:09:43,760 --> 00:09:45,920 Speaker 1: you get older you just accept like you just if 181 00:09:46,160 --> 00:09:48,679 Speaker 1: love is just accepting. And so we're going to try 182 00:09:48,720 --> 00:09:52,720 Speaker 1: to find that love today. Patrick Beautiful. I want you 183 00:09:52,760 --> 00:09:55,599 Speaker 1: to I want you to start. You're the newcomer. I'm 184 00:09:55,600 --> 00:09:57,280 Speaker 1: going to start. I'm going to go right to you. 185 00:09:57,440 --> 00:10:01,119 Speaker 5: In my research of last year's I Can Fix Him, Wow, 186 00:10:03,000 --> 00:10:07,120 Speaker 5: I do see a similar situation where I jumped in 187 00:10:07,640 --> 00:10:10,160 Speaker 5: and except I was in that seat and Jordan listening 188 00:10:10,160 --> 00:10:10,600 Speaker 5: over here. 189 00:10:11,040 --> 00:10:14,120 Speaker 1: So this is you were on the show. Yeah, I 190 00:10:14,200 --> 00:10:16,880 Speaker 1: was on that show. I don't remember which I will take. No, 191 00:10:17,120 --> 00:10:19,360 Speaker 1: you can't fix me. You can't fix my memory. 192 00:10:19,480 --> 00:10:22,120 Speaker 5: I did not remember either, and you have taken part 193 00:10:22,160 --> 00:10:28,960 Speaker 5: in significantly or episodes. It definitely resonated with us. I 194 00:10:29,040 --> 00:10:33,840 Speaker 5: will start with a relatively new gentleman to the National 195 00:10:33,880 --> 00:10:37,760 Speaker 5: Football League, that is one Pete Carroll, who has not 196 00:10:37,960 --> 00:10:43,679 Speaker 5: just come back with Jamal Adams once again. But I 197 00:10:43,720 --> 00:10:46,840 Speaker 5: do want to throw honorable mentions to Devin White and 198 00:10:46,960 --> 00:10:49,680 Speaker 5: Jermaine Pratt because the the end of the run for 199 00:10:49,760 --> 00:10:52,560 Speaker 5: Devin White was a little weird, as was Jermaine Pratt. 200 00:10:52,679 --> 00:10:55,640 Speaker 5: Between those two guys, you've got almost ten thousand snaps 201 00:10:55,760 --> 00:10:58,679 Speaker 5: of football. But I want to discuss Jamal Adams here 202 00:10:58,760 --> 00:11:01,440 Speaker 5: because the idea of playing him at linebacker he was 203 00:11:01,480 --> 00:11:04,480 Speaker 5: probably abrasive to even though he's playing in the box. 204 00:11:04,559 --> 00:11:06,400 Speaker 5: I mean, essentially you can make the case it's not 205 00:11:06,520 --> 00:11:08,719 Speaker 5: that much of a move. But to come back from 206 00:11:08,760 --> 00:11:11,040 Speaker 5: a significant knee injury and then the quad injury in 207 00:11:11,040 --> 00:11:13,560 Speaker 5: twenty twenty two, where a lot of people slept on 208 00:11:13,600 --> 00:11:15,480 Speaker 5: it's like, oh, we hear quad strains all the time. 209 00:11:15,520 --> 00:11:18,640 Speaker 5: It was a complete tear. He told Tyler Dunn when 210 00:11:18,679 --> 00:11:21,360 Speaker 5: he initially came back. He has a six ince scar 211 00:11:22,520 --> 00:11:23,800 Speaker 5: where they had to go in and you know, the 212 00:11:23,880 --> 00:11:26,440 Speaker 5: quad recepts. You know, That's why I called quad. There's 213 00:11:26,480 --> 00:11:30,079 Speaker 5: four muscles in there. One was just a significant rupture, 214 00:11:30,240 --> 00:11:32,920 Speaker 5: so he was down to three essentially, and so it's 215 00:11:32,920 --> 00:11:35,440 Speaker 5: taken him out of time. He played very good in 216 00:11:35,480 --> 00:11:38,600 Speaker 5: the preseason game. Pete said he was pulling for him 217 00:11:38,600 --> 00:11:40,760 Speaker 5: to get back. It's a long haul with add difficult 218 00:11:40,800 --> 00:11:42,920 Speaker 5: injury and very Pete wise, he said, And shoot, I 219 00:11:42,960 --> 00:11:46,160 Speaker 5: thought he played well. And so I'm rooting for this 220 00:11:46,880 --> 00:11:49,800 Speaker 5: to work out. And I don't necessarily think it's a fix, 221 00:11:49,920 --> 00:11:53,240 Speaker 5: but it's finally like these two beings being reunited in 222 00:11:53,280 --> 00:11:55,840 Speaker 5: a new place, and good luck to the river. 223 00:11:55,800 --> 00:11:59,280 Speaker 1: Without the pressure of the trade compensation and even the 224 00:11:59,320 --> 00:12:01,120 Speaker 1: contract that he in Seattle. 225 00:12:01,160 --> 00:12:04,320 Speaker 4: And I can fix some league. Is Pete Carroll not 226 00:12:04,400 --> 00:12:05,880 Speaker 4: the most I can fix him coach? 227 00:12:05,920 --> 00:12:10,160 Speaker 1: Okay, so he is so much that Patrick and I 228 00:12:10,160 --> 00:12:12,600 Speaker 1: had the same idea here, and I think that's good. 229 00:12:13,120 --> 00:12:16,200 Speaker 1: I think that's great. I thought he's the ultimate I 230 00:12:16,280 --> 00:12:18,839 Speaker 1: can fix him coach. I mean you think about Gino. 231 00:12:19,720 --> 00:12:22,240 Speaker 3: I mean you always are thinking about Geno. 232 00:12:22,440 --> 00:12:27,120 Speaker 1: That's true. You think about him just making players believe 233 00:12:27,160 --> 00:12:29,480 Speaker 1: in themselves in a way that they hadn't before. And 234 00:12:29,520 --> 00:12:31,760 Speaker 1: the reason I can feel confident saying that because usually 235 00:12:32,240 --> 00:12:34,520 Speaker 1: I don't know what to make of that sort of analysis. 236 00:12:34,600 --> 00:12:37,240 Speaker 1: Is just hearing the players talk about it, that that 237 00:12:37,559 --> 00:12:39,760 Speaker 1: has changed their lives, changed their career. Gino is one 238 00:12:39,800 --> 00:12:41,880 Speaker 1: of them, but he's he's far from the only one. 239 00:12:42,280 --> 00:12:46,400 Speaker 1: So many different Seahawks, especially defensive players, so I can 240 00:12:46,400 --> 00:12:52,040 Speaker 1: fix him. Included Jamal Adams, It included Jermaine Pratt, Landon Roberts, 241 00:12:52,480 --> 00:12:55,880 Speaker 1: and Devin Why. Eric Stokes is a former first round 242 00:12:55,880 --> 00:12:58,880 Speaker 1: pick who's at cornerback starting for them. Tyree Wilson is 243 00:12:58,880 --> 00:13:02,839 Speaker 1: a guy who's already run through three head coaches now. Right, 244 00:13:03,160 --> 00:13:04,480 Speaker 1: as a top ten pick. 245 00:13:04,480 --> 00:13:06,520 Speaker 5: I thought Tyre Wilson was the steal of the draft 246 00:13:06,840 --> 00:13:07,760 Speaker 5: in the top ten. 247 00:13:07,800 --> 00:13:10,840 Speaker 1: And that was an awesome top ten. You do feel 248 00:13:10,880 --> 00:13:15,000 Speaker 1: bad sometimes for players that get drafted surrounded by like 249 00:13:15,240 --> 00:13:19,600 Speaker 1: all time greats. Right, he was just like, yeah, I'd 250 00:13:19,640 --> 00:13:21,440 Speaker 1: have to go through it to remember exactly, but it 251 00:13:21,480 --> 00:13:23,160 Speaker 1: was just like hit after hit and then it was 252 00:13:23,200 --> 00:13:26,200 Speaker 1: Tyre Wilson. And so that's Pete Carroll. And for me, 253 00:13:26,280 --> 00:13:31,880 Speaker 1: Pete Carroll, it's the entire defense. You know. It's because defense, 254 00:13:33,040 --> 00:13:40,440 Speaker 1: much more than offense, I believe, is about cohesion and effort, 255 00:13:40,559 --> 00:13:44,120 Speaker 1: and it's not all about scheme and belief. It doesn't 256 00:13:44,160 --> 00:13:47,080 Speaker 1: have to all be about talent. And that's good, Jordan, 257 00:13:47,200 --> 00:13:51,160 Speaker 1: because I think if you're just grading defensive talent one 258 00:13:51,200 --> 00:13:54,080 Speaker 1: to thirty two, the Raiders have to be in the 259 00:13:54,080 --> 00:13:57,480 Speaker 1: bottom handful of teams. It's not the very bottom. I 260 00:13:57,520 --> 00:14:00,280 Speaker 1: know they have Max Crosby, but other than that, we 261 00:14:00,360 --> 00:14:02,280 Speaker 1: need and I can fix some season out of Pete 262 00:14:02,320 --> 00:14:05,360 Speaker 1: Carroll to make this team just competitive and good enough 263 00:14:05,520 --> 00:14:06,120 Speaker 1: to compete. 264 00:14:06,240 --> 00:14:08,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, I have no doubt. And you've seen this too. 265 00:14:08,720 --> 00:14:11,560 Speaker 4: If you strip away again the talent level of the 266 00:14:11,679 --> 00:14:15,120 Speaker 4: roster in general, and you look more of what Patrick 267 00:14:15,120 --> 00:14:17,800 Speaker 4: Graham has done scheme wise, trying to scheme gout. 268 00:14:17,720 --> 00:14:18,640 Speaker 1: The defensive coordinator. 269 00:14:18,720 --> 00:14:21,200 Speaker 4: Defensive coordinator of the Raiders, trying to scheme like the 270 00:14:21,200 --> 00:14:25,200 Speaker 4: scheme is smart. He is a very well respected assistant coach, 271 00:14:25,320 --> 00:14:28,640 Speaker 4: and I think pairing him with Pete Carroll brings that 272 00:14:28,800 --> 00:14:32,400 Speaker 4: extra energy, that extra like he is gonna just if 273 00:14:32,400 --> 00:14:34,560 Speaker 4: all else fails, He's going to need guys playing hard 274 00:14:34,560 --> 00:14:37,720 Speaker 4: for him, and Pete Carroll has always been able to 275 00:14:38,080 --> 00:14:42,000 Speaker 4: manufacture belief in that way to get a defense communicating 276 00:14:42,080 --> 00:14:45,160 Speaker 4: to get a defense buying into a shared message. And 277 00:14:45,200 --> 00:14:47,960 Speaker 4: I think when you combine that with a genuinely very 278 00:14:48,000 --> 00:14:51,600 Speaker 4: smart scheme that just you need better players in every 279 00:14:51,880 --> 00:14:55,360 Speaker 4: phase of that defense except for one pass rusher spot. 280 00:14:55,640 --> 00:14:59,000 Speaker 4: Then I feel like this is an interesting combination. But 281 00:14:59,080 --> 00:15:00,720 Speaker 4: it is one where you you know they will have 282 00:15:00,760 --> 00:15:02,320 Speaker 4: that because Pete Carroll will get that. 283 00:15:02,560 --> 00:15:04,800 Speaker 5: And it's it's always been a testament to Max Crosby 284 00:15:04,840 --> 00:15:07,560 Speaker 5: that he plays that many snaps, but it's also been 285 00:15:07,640 --> 00:15:11,160 Speaker 5: because forty percent of Max Crosby was better than what 286 00:15:11,200 --> 00:15:13,360 Speaker 5: the Raiders put on the field, right, And so if 287 00:15:13,360 --> 00:15:15,800 Speaker 5: they can find some of that depth. And I know 288 00:15:16,200 --> 00:15:18,440 Speaker 5: it's of course like we love Pete and the vibes 289 00:15:18,480 --> 00:15:20,240 Speaker 5: are always going to be immaculate with Pete, but there 290 00:15:20,280 --> 00:15:23,480 Speaker 5: is a talent in seeing where the deficits elsewhere in 291 00:15:23,520 --> 00:15:26,440 Speaker 5: the league are and the ability to utilize talent, and 292 00:15:26,520 --> 00:15:28,240 Speaker 5: I think Pete is very very good at them. 293 00:15:29,000 --> 00:15:30,800 Speaker 1: Let's hear from Pete Carroll, just because you know we're 294 00:15:30,840 --> 00:15:35,880 Speaker 1: talking vibes the ultimate I can fix some coach, well. 295 00:15:35,760 --> 00:15:38,280 Speaker 6: Well, you get after him first off, like we did, 296 00:15:38,560 --> 00:15:40,800 Speaker 6: and then we have to make sure that we work together. 297 00:15:40,880 --> 00:15:43,600 Speaker 6: Like I said, a bunch of those were the young guys, 298 00:15:43,640 --> 00:15:45,200 Speaker 6: and we were still hard, counting and doing, you know, 299 00:15:45,200 --> 00:15:47,920 Speaker 6: all of the intricacies of our cadence. It's just we 300 00:15:47,960 --> 00:15:49,920 Speaker 6: didn't jive together, and we have to mix better and 301 00:15:49,960 --> 00:15:51,680 Speaker 6: make sure that we take care of those guys. Know 302 00:15:51,720 --> 00:15:54,640 Speaker 6: who you're working, you know, we worked ourselves instead of 303 00:15:54,640 --> 00:15:55,600 Speaker 6: working the defense today. 304 00:15:55,880 --> 00:15:57,960 Speaker 1: That that was I love that. That was like him 305 00:15:57,960 --> 00:15:59,480 Speaker 1: being hard on the team. But even when he's being 306 00:15:59,480 --> 00:16:00,200 Speaker 1: hard on the team. 307 00:16:00,560 --> 00:16:01,120 Speaker 3: I'm smiling. 308 00:16:01,160 --> 00:16:03,680 Speaker 1: It's just like a he makes you feel better about it. 309 00:16:04,440 --> 00:16:06,040 Speaker 1: I don't want to do a Peek Carroll impression. I 310 00:16:06,080 --> 00:16:07,400 Speaker 1: kind of do want to do a Peek Caroll. 311 00:16:07,560 --> 00:16:09,320 Speaker 3: I feel like you really want to do a people. 312 00:16:09,320 --> 00:16:10,960 Speaker 1: We'll do it later in the show. All right, give 313 00:16:11,000 --> 00:16:12,120 Speaker 1: me another I can fix him. 314 00:16:12,200 --> 00:16:15,720 Speaker 4: Okay, my first I can fix him is more of 315 00:16:16,240 --> 00:16:20,560 Speaker 4: a third person. Oh, Jalen Ramsey, I think can fix 316 00:16:20,720 --> 00:16:24,520 Speaker 4: elements of the Steelers, and I think that the Steelers 317 00:16:24,760 --> 00:16:27,000 Speaker 4: can fix elements of Jalen Ramsey. 318 00:16:27,200 --> 00:16:27,600 Speaker 1: Love that. 319 00:16:28,000 --> 00:16:32,000 Speaker 4: Okay, So every few years, Jalen Ramsey seems to like 320 00:16:32,080 --> 00:16:35,400 Speaker 4: want or need a change of scenery, whether it's because 321 00:16:35,440 --> 00:16:37,960 Speaker 4: of a contract situation as it was the last couple 322 00:16:38,040 --> 00:16:39,840 Speaker 4: of times, or it's just not working out with the 323 00:16:39,880 --> 00:16:43,480 Speaker 4: team that he was on. He went from Jacksonville to 324 00:16:43,520 --> 00:16:45,720 Speaker 4: Los Angeles where he won a Super Bowl, to Miami. 325 00:16:45,800 --> 00:16:46,680 Speaker 3: Now he's in Pittsburgh. 326 00:16:46,720 --> 00:16:49,080 Speaker 4: So I think that this is a mutual I can 327 00:16:49,120 --> 00:16:52,680 Speaker 4: fix some situation because it's a really good change of 328 00:16:52,680 --> 00:16:57,040 Speaker 4: scenery for Jalen, who in interviewing him a few years ago, 329 00:16:57,480 --> 00:17:00,760 Speaker 4: we talked a lot about he needs a challenge. He 330 00:17:00,840 --> 00:17:04,600 Speaker 4: needs to be challenged in order to continue to push himself. 331 00:17:04,640 --> 00:17:08,280 Speaker 4: His biggest competitor is inside his own head, and to 332 00:17:08,320 --> 00:17:11,200 Speaker 4: continue to find new jobs, new roles, new things that 333 00:17:11,240 --> 00:17:13,320 Speaker 4: he can do to sort of push the envelope and 334 00:17:13,359 --> 00:17:15,479 Speaker 4: be a tone setter. And so he will be that 335 00:17:15,560 --> 00:17:18,760 Speaker 4: tone setter in this defense as a hybrid safety corner 336 00:17:19,119 --> 00:17:20,880 Speaker 4: who they want to seem to keep on the field 337 00:17:20,960 --> 00:17:23,120 Speaker 4: not only to help them with rundowns and be really 338 00:17:23,119 --> 00:17:25,520 Speaker 4: physical in the box and in the slot and sort 339 00:17:25,520 --> 00:17:27,439 Speaker 4: of an unavoidable player in the middle of the field 340 00:17:27,720 --> 00:17:30,840 Speaker 4: against power slots, against tight ends, but then also drop 341 00:17:30,920 --> 00:17:33,320 Speaker 4: back into a safety role like we're seeing with a 342 00:17:33,359 --> 00:17:36,119 Speaker 4: lot of these emerging more hybrid players. Jalen Ramsey can 343 00:17:36,119 --> 00:17:38,480 Speaker 4: still very much do that. I also think it's good 344 00:17:38,480 --> 00:17:41,080 Speaker 4: for the Steelers. Yeah, a mutual I can fix him 345 00:17:41,160 --> 00:17:44,360 Speaker 4: because that defense does need to evolve a little bit 346 00:17:44,640 --> 00:17:47,919 Speaker 4: and this position specifically, moving this position forward not just 347 00:17:47,960 --> 00:17:50,480 Speaker 4: in run support but also in pass coverage is a 348 00:17:50,600 --> 00:17:53,840 Speaker 4: next step, a next iteration of what the league is 349 00:17:53,880 --> 00:17:57,000 Speaker 4: doing right now on offense, and the Steelers need to 350 00:17:57,000 --> 00:17:58,960 Speaker 4: do that on defense. And I think it's a it 351 00:17:59,040 --> 00:18:03,840 Speaker 4: is a very like tone setting physical position that he'll 352 00:18:03,880 --> 00:18:06,160 Speaker 4: be in, and that's really really good for this defense. 353 00:18:06,640 --> 00:18:12,200 Speaker 5: Yeah, there's obviously the costs in subtracting Minca to add 354 00:18:12,200 --> 00:18:16,240 Speaker 5: in Jalen Ramsey. Clearly most people would believe as I 355 00:18:16,280 --> 00:18:19,320 Speaker 5: think we do. The Steelers ultimate form would have been 356 00:18:19,359 --> 00:18:22,359 Speaker 5: to have them both there. They couldn't make that work 357 00:18:22,520 --> 00:18:24,760 Speaker 5: trade compensation wise, and so you end up with one 358 00:18:24,960 --> 00:18:27,400 Speaker 5: and the other. And I do think things had maybe 359 00:18:27,400 --> 00:18:30,639 Speaker 5: gotten a little stagnant in terms of the way they 360 00:18:30,680 --> 00:18:33,240 Speaker 5: approach things with having the personnel and Minca back there 361 00:18:33,560 --> 00:18:37,320 Speaker 5: that you can just do things differently with Jalen Ramsey 362 00:18:37,440 --> 00:18:40,919 Speaker 5: and they haven't necessarily had the results. So yeah, you 363 00:18:40,960 --> 00:18:46,000 Speaker 5: throw Jalen Ramsey out there, and considering the division and 364 00:18:46,119 --> 00:18:49,879 Speaker 5: the tasks, right, like having to make split decisions with 365 00:18:50,640 --> 00:18:57,080 Speaker 5: reads against the Ravens to Mike Gesicki and the Bengals. Yeah, 366 00:18:57,119 --> 00:18:59,879 Speaker 5: there's so many different places where a guy in that, 367 00:19:00,320 --> 00:19:03,840 Speaker 5: like say it like a star hybrid position can be in. Yeah, 368 00:19:03,960 --> 00:19:05,520 Speaker 5: you take one of the better players at that in 369 00:19:05,560 --> 00:19:07,200 Speaker 5: the NFL. It makes it work. 370 00:19:07,480 --> 00:19:09,760 Speaker 1: And I want to see a little more creativity from 371 00:19:09,800 --> 00:19:13,040 Speaker 1: Mike Tomlin, you know that. I think it's a fair 372 00:19:13,160 --> 00:19:17,600 Speaker 1: criticism that he's been doing what he does and they 373 00:19:17,600 --> 00:19:22,040 Speaker 1: don't necessarily always deviate from that. And maybe Jalen Ramsey 374 00:19:22,880 --> 00:19:25,680 Speaker 1: helps to reignite the creativity when you just get two 375 00:19:26,040 --> 00:19:30,399 Speaker 1: really smart ball knowers in the same building and then 376 00:19:30,440 --> 00:19:33,640 Speaker 1: you sprinkle on just like a healthy amount of crazy 377 00:19:33,680 --> 00:19:36,720 Speaker 1: with Darius Slay and Joey Porter Jr. Like that's a 378 00:19:37,480 --> 00:19:39,800 Speaker 1: that's a fun mix to Shawn Elliott's a little crazy 379 00:19:39,840 --> 00:19:40,960 Speaker 1: and it's like. 380 00:19:41,200 --> 00:19:43,440 Speaker 4: Okay, tink about who they're going against too, his number 381 00:19:43,440 --> 00:19:45,280 Speaker 4: one NFC West rival when he was playing in the 382 00:19:45,359 --> 00:19:47,960 Speaker 4: nfcc wes DK Metcalf, he'll be going to against him 383 00:19:47,960 --> 00:19:51,480 Speaker 4: in practice. And then also Aaron Rodgers is the one 384 00:19:51,480 --> 00:19:54,359 Speaker 4: throwing the ball, so like we're there's a lot going 385 00:19:54,359 --> 00:19:58,360 Speaker 4: on in Pittsburgh. But I think that somehow, and truly, 386 00:19:58,480 --> 00:20:01,960 Speaker 4: I mean this earnestly, Allen Ramsey is the absolute perfect 387 00:20:02,040 --> 00:20:04,680 Speaker 4: fit in what's going on there right now in Pittsburgh. 388 00:20:04,720 --> 00:20:09,359 Speaker 1: I love that. I just want this team, which is 389 00:20:09,359 --> 00:20:13,960 Speaker 1: not won a playoff game since when two and sixteen 390 00:20:14,080 --> 00:20:16,760 Speaker 1: or something crazy. I was at the game that started 391 00:20:16,800 --> 00:20:19,520 Speaker 1: the streak, the AFC Championship game against the Patriots. Like, 392 00:20:19,800 --> 00:20:21,959 Speaker 1: let's get Mike Tomlin winning playoff games again. I think 393 00:20:22,000 --> 00:20:24,520 Speaker 1: he could do it if that secondary comes through. I'm 394 00:20:24,560 --> 00:20:26,840 Speaker 1: going to go with their quarterback from a year ago, 395 00:20:26,960 --> 00:20:30,600 Speaker 1: Justin Fields now with the New York Jets. Let's just 396 00:20:31,440 --> 00:20:33,720 Speaker 1: bring him to a team that wants to focus on 397 00:20:33,760 --> 00:20:38,479 Speaker 1: what he does well. I think there's this idea with 398 00:20:38,720 --> 00:20:41,840 Speaker 1: quarterbacks that are great at running that you almost want 399 00:20:41,880 --> 00:20:47,000 Speaker 1: to diminish that skill set, not just as a coach 400 00:20:47,440 --> 00:20:49,639 Speaker 1: but as an analyst, like, oh, yeah, it's great, but 401 00:20:49,760 --> 00:20:52,320 Speaker 1: like you know, Justin Fields also throws a really pretty 402 00:20:52,359 --> 00:20:54,720 Speaker 1: pass down the field, Like yeah, we know, Like he's 403 00:20:54,840 --> 00:21:01,720 Speaker 1: very accurate. Is he as like instinctive in advance getting 404 00:21:01,720 --> 00:21:05,399 Speaker 1: through his reads and everything else that comes along with position, 405 00:21:05,920 --> 00:21:07,800 Speaker 1: Similar to a guy like Trevor Lawrence who I was 406 00:21:07,840 --> 00:21:11,159 Speaker 1: thinking about thrown in here. Maybe we'd have a minor conversation. 407 00:21:11,520 --> 00:21:14,240 Speaker 1: Maybe that's not his greatest strength at this point of 408 00:21:14,240 --> 00:21:17,680 Speaker 1: his career. So let's lean into what he does well 409 00:21:17,720 --> 00:21:20,760 Speaker 1: and build the whole thing out of Justin Fields's strength 410 00:21:21,000 --> 00:21:23,240 Speaker 1: and our team strength, which is the offensive line. Here's 411 00:21:23,320 --> 00:21:26,119 Speaker 1: Aaron Glenn after their preseason opener. 412 00:21:26,760 --> 00:21:28,800 Speaker 7: I thought Justin got the guys getting off the huddle. 413 00:21:29,280 --> 00:21:31,080 Speaker 7: I thought Tanner did a really good job getting a 414 00:21:31,080 --> 00:21:33,000 Speaker 7: play calls and so the guys could play with temple 415 00:21:33,000 --> 00:21:35,719 Speaker 7: and play fast. It was good to see Justin use 416 00:21:35,800 --> 00:21:38,760 Speaker 7: his legs also, all right, so we know he has 417 00:21:38,800 --> 00:21:40,840 Speaker 7: that in his bag. The thing that I think he 418 00:21:40,960 --> 00:21:43,480 Speaker 7: showed for the most part is, man, we can call 419 00:21:43,520 --> 00:21:45,160 Speaker 7: the play, we have a shot, and it's the shots 420 00:21:45,200 --> 00:21:47,359 Speaker 7: out there. He can get it, to get it, chuck 421 00:21:47,400 --> 00:21:49,160 Speaker 7: it down, all right, and he did a really good 422 00:21:49,240 --> 00:21:52,720 Speaker 7: job of that. So he was patient. He did everything 423 00:21:52,760 --> 00:21:55,320 Speaker 7: that we needed right to get this win and for 424 00:21:55,440 --> 00:21:57,040 Speaker 7: him to be the quarterback that we know that he 425 00:21:57,080 --> 00:21:57,359 Speaker 7: can be. 426 00:21:57,480 --> 00:21:59,920 Speaker 3: So I love how he's talking about him. 427 00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:02,119 Speaker 1: He's got a little Pete Carroll in him. Aaron Glenn, 428 00:22:02,119 --> 00:22:04,520 Speaker 1: I think they have similar strengths and I think they're 429 00:22:04,520 --> 00:22:05,400 Speaker 1: going to build him up. 430 00:22:05,640 --> 00:22:09,640 Speaker 4: Can you just imagine being justin Field and like someone's 431 00:22:09,720 --> 00:22:12,080 Speaker 4: talking about you at the lectern that way and not 432 00:22:12,200 --> 00:22:14,399 Speaker 4: asking you to be anything you're not, and in fact 433 00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:18,440 Speaker 4: accentuating what you're good at, recognizing things that you can 434 00:22:18,560 --> 00:22:20,359 Speaker 4: do that they are asking you to do, and to 435 00:22:20,480 --> 00:22:24,199 Speaker 4: play to some significant strengths that you do have with 436 00:22:24,280 --> 00:22:28,080 Speaker 4: the team that is dynamically built to help accentuate that. 437 00:22:28,160 --> 00:22:31,479 Speaker 4: And like you can hear in his voice him saying 438 00:22:31,520 --> 00:22:34,120 Speaker 4: this with belief and conviction in the quarterback like that's 439 00:22:34,160 --> 00:22:35,760 Speaker 4: and I can fix a moment right there. 440 00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:38,280 Speaker 1: Some of the best running quarterbacks of all time to me, 441 00:22:39,119 --> 00:22:41,880 Speaker 1: started their careers and maybe even when they were peaking, 442 00:22:42,800 --> 00:22:46,480 Speaker 1: a lot of it really was deep shots, the run game, 443 00:22:47,119 --> 00:22:49,840 Speaker 1: check down, having a good offensive line, having a good 444 00:22:49,880 --> 00:22:52,159 Speaker 1: running game that is built in large part around the 445 00:22:52,160 --> 00:22:56,439 Speaker 1: strengths of them running and not getting it, not trying 446 00:22:56,480 --> 00:22:58,000 Speaker 1: to do too much more. I think of the Steve 447 00:22:58,080 --> 00:23:01,159 Speaker 1: mcair Titans at their peak and like that that was 448 00:23:01,440 --> 00:23:04,520 Speaker 1: part of their equation. So as you know, one of 449 00:23:04,560 --> 00:23:08,680 Speaker 1: the last people that still believes that justin Fields can 450 00:23:08,760 --> 00:23:12,480 Speaker 1: be fixed, Patrick, you have to be thrilled with this, Yes, I. 451 00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:17,119 Speaker 5: Don't know necessarily that there's a a fix. That's like, 452 00:23:17,119 --> 00:23:20,199 Speaker 5: at a certain point, we've seen how explosive Justin Fields 453 00:23:20,240 --> 00:23:23,840 Speaker 5: can be and way he can contribute to wins, but 454 00:23:24,560 --> 00:23:27,200 Speaker 5: there's he hasn't been able to get that that level 455 00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:30,440 Speaker 5: of long term commitment right in a few different spots. 456 00:23:30,880 --> 00:23:33,399 Speaker 5: And you can go all the way back to the 457 00:23:33,680 --> 00:23:38,000 Speaker 5: first rookie wage scale where you saw how teams were 458 00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:41,560 Speaker 5: incentivized to kind of take that middle late career player 459 00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:44,240 Speaker 5: and kind of toss him to the side in favor 460 00:23:44,280 --> 00:23:46,840 Speaker 5: of cheaper rookies because that that's the way things are. 461 00:23:47,280 --> 00:23:49,800 Speaker 5: And so in a lot of these situations that we 462 00:23:49,800 --> 00:23:53,880 Speaker 5: were discussing, they're these players who were twenty six, twenty seven, 463 00:23:53,960 --> 00:23:57,520 Speaker 5: twenty eight years old, and perhaps there are opportunities kind 464 00:23:57,560 --> 00:24:00,320 Speaker 5: of get a little bit limited just because there's a 465 00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:04,920 Speaker 5: cheaper option that's out there. And so I think Justin 466 00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:10,400 Speaker 5: Fields will be fine right in terms of like how 467 00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:13,440 Speaker 5: he can play it. But to hear that, like, especially 468 00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:17,040 Speaker 5: when your career can be in this sort of limbo, 469 00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:19,920 Speaker 5: it's got to be good for him to hear and 470 00:24:20,440 --> 00:24:22,000 Speaker 5: hopefully hopefully things go well. 471 00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:24,480 Speaker 1: I believe, all right, we've gone around the room one time. 472 00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:27,120 Speaker 1: We're going to do it again at least one more. 473 00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:29,520 Speaker 1: But at this point in the show, I did want 474 00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:32,160 Speaker 1: to mention the people that we fixed last year because 475 00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:35,320 Speaker 1: I think, at least in terms of projecting who could 476 00:24:35,359 --> 00:24:38,080 Speaker 1: be quote unquote fixed, we did a pretty good job. 477 00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:41,439 Speaker 1: We had Dave Canalis fixing Bryce Young, I think that 478 00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:47,439 Speaker 1: was yours. We had Kellen Moore fixing the Eagles. I 479 00:24:47,440 --> 00:24:49,280 Speaker 1: didn't know they really needed to be fixed, but you 480 00:24:49,320 --> 00:24:52,520 Speaker 1: think about what was happening a year ago at this 481 00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:54,440 Speaker 1: time and the season that they were coming off. 482 00:24:55,040 --> 00:24:58,240 Speaker 3: Wow, that worked out pretty well, especially for Kellen Moore. 483 00:24:58,280 --> 00:25:00,560 Speaker 1: And we had a few others that were fine. Tony 484 00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:02,959 Speaker 1: Pollard was one of them. Yeah, he had a good season. 485 00:25:03,320 --> 00:25:03,800 Speaker 3: Was that yours? 486 00:25:03,800 --> 00:25:05,400 Speaker 1: A few others that were fine? I don't I don't 487 00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:08,000 Speaker 1: know who who was who? I don't know who was who. 488 00:25:08,080 --> 00:25:10,720 Speaker 1: Clint Kubiak was involved that one did not really. 489 00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:14,879 Speaker 3: Maybe this time I think you might. 490 00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:18,000 Speaker 1: Have gone Calvin Ridley, which wasn't wasn't bad or good. 491 00:25:18,040 --> 00:25:23,120 Speaker 1: But I also wanted to think about how this league runs, 492 00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:25,840 Speaker 1: that there are these guys that just like keep getting 493 00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:30,000 Speaker 1: passed around a little bit. As I can fix some candidates. 494 00:25:30,280 --> 00:25:32,440 Speaker 1: I would call them the I can fix them all stars. 495 00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:35,960 Speaker 1: So I'm just gonna name some of them now, Zach Wilson, 496 00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:41,080 Speaker 1: Kenny Pickett, Marcus Mariota. It's a little early for the 497 00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:43,920 Speaker 1: music made because these are Unfortunately they're still getting passed around. 498 00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:46,920 Speaker 1: Devin White maybe in there. Sam Darnold, I think he'd 499 00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:48,240 Speaker 1: be I can fix them all Star. 500 00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:49,760 Speaker 3: You've done that, man dirty all week. 501 00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:52,280 Speaker 1: Kyle Kyle Pitts is kind of becoming one of those guys. 502 00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:56,040 Speaker 1: Jeff Okuda has become one of those guys. And then 503 00:25:56,880 --> 00:25:59,000 Speaker 1: I would like to make an announcement on this show, 504 00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:05,240 Speaker 1: and with this music cranked up even louder, that Baker 505 00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:11,520 Speaker 1: Mayfield has officially graduated for I can fix him. He's fixed. 506 00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:13,720 Speaker 5: What what if now Baker is the one doing in 507 00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:14,159 Speaker 5: the fixing. 508 00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:16,200 Speaker 1: He's fixing coaching career. 509 00:26:16,280 --> 00:26:18,479 Speaker 5: Can we get Josh McDaniels down to Tampa Bay You'll 510 00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:19,439 Speaker 5: be the head coach somewhere. 511 00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:22,879 Speaker 1: I congratulations, Baker. 512 00:26:23,119 --> 00:26:23,879 Speaker 3: I'm so happy. 513 00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:25,240 Speaker 1: You cannot be Yeah, you can't. 514 00:26:25,359 --> 00:26:26,480 Speaker 5: You can't be fixed anymore. 515 00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:31,960 Speaker 1: He's fixed. It's happened. Isaiah Simmons maybe the maybe the 516 00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:34,760 Speaker 1: ultimate all start here. But uh, Baker. 517 00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:36,960 Speaker 5: Mayfield, I've never heard the second. 518 00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:43,120 Speaker 1: Dinner he did it, buddy. All right, let's go around 519 00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:44,560 Speaker 1: the room again. We'll start with Patrick. 520 00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:47,320 Speaker 5: Yeah, and I'll go right across the street. Because back 521 00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:51,960 Speaker 5: in April, the Chargers na not a lot of news fanfare. Hey, 522 00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:54,200 Speaker 5: they signed Trey Lance. Well, you know, why not, why 523 00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:57,440 Speaker 5: not sign Trey Lance, give him an opportunity, And we haven't. 524 00:26:57,480 --> 00:26:59,679 Speaker 5: We haven't seen a lot of Taylor Heineke. It has 525 00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:02,440 Speaker 5: been all Trey Lance in the preseason through two starts, 526 00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:05,680 Speaker 5: and Harball was crediting him, and the passing numbers were 527 00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:07,840 Speaker 5: a little bit down in the Chargers second game, but 528 00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:11,040 Speaker 5: they he used his legs. Well, Harball loved that, so 529 00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:13,840 Speaker 5: he thought he had a heck of a game. And yeah, 530 00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:18,120 Speaker 5: we are Greg Roman and Harball away from fixing Trey 531 00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:19,679 Speaker 5: Lance and giving him an opportunity. 532 00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:22,879 Speaker 1: Hey, I saw some Taylor Heineke live. It didn't last 533 00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:25,320 Speaker 1: that long, and it was on site and they were like, 534 00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:27,200 Speaker 1: give us some Trey Lance because we want to get 535 00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:30,000 Speaker 1: our guys some better looks. And the second Tray Lance 536 00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:32,800 Speaker 1: came in. I mean, the passing game didn't exactly explode, 537 00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:34,920 Speaker 1: but at least Trey Lance brought him right down the 538 00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:38,440 Speaker 1: field on a touchdown drive, using his legs, using his strengths, 539 00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:42,080 Speaker 1: and hitting a nice two point conversion two on a slant. 540 00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:44,840 Speaker 4: Last week when I was at Chargers camp there or 541 00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:48,240 Speaker 4: was it last week, It was sometime this summer, and 542 00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:52,520 Speaker 4: I saw Trey Lance and Justin Herbert and Jim Harbaugh 543 00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:54,879 Speaker 4: all standing together, and they were sort of just like 544 00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:56,760 Speaker 4: moving as one entity around the. 545 00:27:56,720 --> 00:27:58,360 Speaker 3: Practice field together. 546 00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:01,600 Speaker 4: So it's like, you know, Ray Lance was absorbing everything 547 00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:05,719 Speaker 4: that Justin Herbert was receiving from Jim Harbaugh by a 548 00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:08,959 Speaker 4: sort of spatial osmosis, I guess, And so it was 549 00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:12,399 Speaker 4: really interesting to see him kind of he wants to 550 00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:14,879 Speaker 4: clearly be a sponge and soak up the teaching that 551 00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:17,800 Speaker 4: the first quarter the number one quarterback is getting, or 552 00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:20,720 Speaker 4: the collaboration communication that they have with each other. Jim 553 00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:22,400 Speaker 4: Harbaugh another belief guy. 554 00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:25,679 Speaker 1: Right, There's a lot of similarities on the players and 555 00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:29,200 Speaker 1: the teams that were choosing. And you can just see 556 00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:31,920 Speaker 1: by his play on the field without knowing anything about 557 00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:36,040 Speaker 1: Trey Lance, that he's more comfortable and more confident. I 558 00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:38,080 Speaker 1: think in being a pro quarterback, I think he's going 559 00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:39,520 Speaker 1: to carve out a career. 560 00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:44,440 Speaker 4: Speaking of which, Okay, okay, this is my personal I 561 00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:45,160 Speaker 4: can fix you. 562 00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:47,040 Speaker 3: To a certain gris. 563 00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:48,760 Speaker 1: I can fix him. We don't have the rights to 564 00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:51,720 Speaker 1: fix you by coldplay. They've you know, a lot of 565 00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:53,120 Speaker 1: publicity lately, they've. 566 00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:56,200 Speaker 3: Taken off, They've really started to make something of it. 567 00:28:56,200 --> 00:28:58,600 Speaker 1: They've made it. We can't afford it, so I can 568 00:28:58,640 --> 00:28:59,480 Speaker 1: fix him. 569 00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:01,920 Speaker 4: Okay, I can fix but this is a group of people. 570 00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:05,160 Speaker 4: I can fix you, Bryce Young haters. 571 00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:07,920 Speaker 1: I really, Oh, can You're gonna do it? 572 00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:11,120 Speaker 4: I was clocking all the short jokes and actually filing 573 00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:13,000 Speaker 4: them away for use on Greg at a later date. 574 00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:17,000 Speaker 4: I was clocking all the pain and all of the 575 00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:21,719 Speaker 4: frustration that this was your starting quarterback, the guy that 576 00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:25,160 Speaker 4: the franchise is pouring all of these resources into. 577 00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:27,240 Speaker 3: Bryce Young haters, I can fix you. 578 00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:30,560 Speaker 4: Bask in the training camp reports of Bryce Young throwing 579 00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:34,440 Speaker 4: at the ball around well revel and the anticipatory throws, 580 00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:37,880 Speaker 4: the confidence and comfort whether throwing on time. We're working 581 00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:40,880 Speaker 4: a little out of structure to create plays, and this 582 00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:44,760 Speaker 4: I love the most. We have a clip of Bryce 583 00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:49,240 Speaker 4: Young with an anticipation throw, and it is lightning fast 584 00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:51,800 Speaker 4: and it's an anticipation throw and tet does a double 585 00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:55,040 Speaker 4: move off of the line of scrimmage into the end 586 00:29:55,120 --> 00:29:57,640 Speaker 4: zone and he can't get his head around quite fast 587 00:29:57,760 --> 00:30:00,200 Speaker 4: enough because it throws with such anticipation. He reckoni is 588 00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:02,600 Speaker 4: that he gives Bryce Young a thumbs up. But this throw, 589 00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:06,480 Speaker 4: the speed at which it comes out, it's tailor made 590 00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:08,960 Speaker 4: for building that chemistry between the two of them that 591 00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:12,600 Speaker 4: will continue as time passes as they both get their 592 00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:14,400 Speaker 4: feet under them together. 593 00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:16,400 Speaker 3: And I just love this type of throw. 594 00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:20,280 Speaker 4: This is the type of really quick option play and 595 00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:23,560 Speaker 4: really quick outlet play that really benefits receivers who can 596 00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:27,080 Speaker 4: get open fast and really can capitalize on a defense 597 00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:28,240 Speaker 4: and put them on the back foot. 598 00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:29,920 Speaker 3: And I just I really really like that. 599 00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:33,760 Speaker 4: So once this timing gets down between the two of them, 600 00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:36,720 Speaker 4: then this is going to be a deadly combination. 601 00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:37,800 Speaker 3: And I think you can see this. 602 00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:39,840 Speaker 4: You could see this all over Bryce's tape from that 603 00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:43,200 Speaker 4: preseason game, the little that he did play creating out 604 00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:47,120 Speaker 4: a structure, getting throwing guys open in certain areas. 605 00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:49,200 Speaker 3: This is exactly why they actually went after him. 606 00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:52,720 Speaker 1: I love that clip, and when you see it from 607 00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:55,719 Speaker 1: both angles, you realize the rookie linebacker for the Browns, 608 00:30:55,720 --> 00:30:59,120 Speaker 1: Carson Trussinger has a beat on it too, and so 609 00:30:59,560 --> 00:31:01,560 Speaker 1: Bryce has to throw it that quick, but he doesn't 610 00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:03,640 Speaker 1: rifle it in there too fast. It's like the perfect 611 00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:06,880 Speaker 1: balance of like it got there at the right time. 612 00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:10,960 Speaker 1: Teto McMillan recognizes that that was his bad. He needs 613 00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:13,480 Speaker 1: to be more on time. But I think that explains 614 00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:20,120 Speaker 1: what Bryce does well, which is a combination of intelligence 615 00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:23,040 Speaker 1: and hutsba. You know, I think he knows what he has, 616 00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:25,760 Speaker 1: what he doesn't have, and I think he sees the 617 00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:29,600 Speaker 1: game well. And once he got more confidence late last season, 618 00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:32,520 Speaker 1: he was really going for throws and so he's kind 619 00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:36,240 Speaker 1: of combining that intelligence with the little uh. Maybe the 620 00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:38,960 Speaker 1: Olds would say daring do you know a little daring do? 621 00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:41,520 Speaker 5: And I think because when you when you talk about 622 00:31:41,520 --> 00:31:46,600 Speaker 5: the daring do the ability right to squeeze balls into places, 623 00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:51,400 Speaker 5: there's there's only right. We generally get this idea of 624 00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:54,000 Speaker 5: like a farm right or a Rogers and it's like 625 00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:58,360 Speaker 5: like Anthony Richardson fall eight feet off the ground the 626 00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:01,680 Speaker 5: entire way with no dip. But with Bryce there's this 627 00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:04,040 Speaker 5: full range of arcs that are available. It's like the 628 00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:06,640 Speaker 5: back of a golf ball box where you. 629 00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:10,120 Speaker 4: See the full, the full multive it. 630 00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:12,640 Speaker 5: And so like when you when you generally put that 631 00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:14,240 Speaker 5: out there, it's like, oh, Bryce is a gun slinger. 632 00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:16,200 Speaker 5: He's out there wheeling and dealing and moving guys around. 633 00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:18,280 Speaker 5: Like people think, well, he doesn't have the size and 634 00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:21,840 Speaker 5: arm strength to do that. But it just looks different 635 00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:25,960 Speaker 5: and I think too, well, you know, as he immediately indicated, yeah, 636 00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:27,960 Speaker 5: it's not just get my head around quicker, but like 637 00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:30,000 Speaker 5: know that the ball is going to be in that 638 00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:32,720 Speaker 5: particular place because let's be honest, like through his career 639 00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:34,880 Speaker 5: at Arizona, they were throwing they were throwing them all 640 00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:37,920 Speaker 5: kinds of stuff. Yeah, they didn't necessarily of an opportunity, 641 00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:41,360 Speaker 5: uh to get to But I do disagree because Jordan, 642 00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:45,640 Speaker 5: I don't think you can fix these people no, because 643 00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:47,880 Speaker 5: they're they're they're just and we I talked about it 644 00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:51,680 Speaker 5: after you know, the divisional weekend. These people are just 645 00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:54,760 Speaker 5: going to find the next person to say can't do 646 00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:57,640 Speaker 5: some and they just go from person to person and 647 00:32:57,720 --> 00:32:59,360 Speaker 5: just say, oh yeah, this guy can't do it, this 648 00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:01,200 Speaker 5: guy and wants do it. They just say it about 649 00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:01,800 Speaker 5: somebody else. 650 00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:05,080 Speaker 1: This goes back to how we started this. I think 651 00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:08,120 Speaker 1: You're just going to have to accept their Those haters 652 00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:10,920 Speaker 1: are just going to keep hating, accept their flaws, and 653 00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:12,680 Speaker 1: stop trying to fix them. 654 00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:14,920 Speaker 5: No, but it's it's honorable that Jordan would like to 655 00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:17,920 Speaker 5: provide them with the information to allow them to fix themselves. 656 00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:20,120 Speaker 5: But it's it's fundamentally broken. 657 00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:22,880 Speaker 4: Or it's a very clever explain so much about my 658 00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:23,640 Speaker 4: dating life. 659 00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:27,360 Speaker 3: Guys, thank you. 660 00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:29,800 Speaker 1: You really got to change so much. It's like it's 661 00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:31,680 Speaker 1: like my memory loss that I started the show with. 662 00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:36,280 Speaker 1: At this point, Emica can't complain about me spacing or 663 00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:39,400 Speaker 1: forgetting something. She either just has to accept it or 664 00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:42,920 Speaker 1: been driven crazy or leave me. Those are like, wow, 665 00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:46,720 Speaker 1: the three options that she has. I did want to 666 00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:49,360 Speaker 1: get to a theory astic, I'm just saying those are 667 00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:53,720 Speaker 1: the options real quick. I mean, she really loves Japan. 668 00:33:55,840 --> 00:33:58,280 Speaker 1: At some point when the kids graduate high school, you know, 669 00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:04,800 Speaker 1: we'll see hold non for dear life. I have a theory, Jordan. 670 00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:10,000 Speaker 1: You brought this this little vehicle Bryce young Haters as 671 00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:12,080 Speaker 1: a way to sort of bring back how good your 672 00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:13,719 Speaker 1: take was a year ago on this show, which is 673 00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:15,400 Speaker 1: I think a good move as a takes woman. 674 00:34:15,600 --> 00:34:20,480 Speaker 4: I love that you thought that I truly could not 675 00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:23,560 Speaker 4: remember what I said on last year's show, but I'm. 676 00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:25,279 Speaker 1: Stoked, pretty sure it was you pretty sure it was. 677 00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:27,960 Speaker 3: I'm stoked it's all working out for Bryce Young as 678 00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:28,400 Speaker 3: it should. 679 00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:33,160 Speaker 1: I'm going to do a broad one, and I'm doing 680 00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:37,320 Speaker 1: this because I think it's like the most important fixes 681 00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:41,040 Speaker 1: that can happen in the NFL. Quarterbacks. That's big. But 682 00:34:41,640 --> 00:34:43,839 Speaker 1: when they say, and by day I mean a new 683 00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:46,800 Speaker 1: offensive coordinator and his assistant coaches that I can fix 684 00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:50,960 Speaker 1: them talking about their offensive line, it is truly the 685 00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:56,080 Speaker 1: quickest way to get from dreadful to maybe above average 686 00:34:56,120 --> 00:35:00,720 Speaker 1: in the NFL is to improve your offensive line from 687 00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:04,920 Speaker 1: embarrassing to average because suddenly it brings out the best 688 00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:07,520 Speaker 1: and all the other players on the offense that were 689 00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:11,319 Speaker 1: being held down, and it's just exponential. So if you 690 00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:14,000 Speaker 1: can get from like a bottom five type of offensive 691 00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:17,720 Speaker 1: line to just middle of the pack, the whole world 692 00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:19,239 Speaker 1: can open up for you. And so I just thought 693 00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:22,360 Speaker 1: about the cases this year where that's most notable. Certainly 694 00:35:22,719 --> 00:35:25,960 Speaker 1: the Texans with their new offensive coordinator Nick Kayley. Like 695 00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:28,720 Speaker 1: that that's him believing he can fix them. Nick Kyley. 696 00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:32,160 Speaker 1: Clint Kobiak, who didn't really get it done for us 697 00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:35,840 Speaker 1: or the Saints totally. That's at least the vision in Seattle, 698 00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:37,919 Speaker 1: taking a group that I think on paper it's actually 699 00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:40,719 Speaker 1: kind of talented and just making them average again when 700 00:35:40,719 --> 00:35:44,600 Speaker 1: they were so bad under you know, the Geno Smith regime. 701 00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:48,480 Speaker 1: Whoever was his offensive coordinator. You got Mike Josh McDaniels, 702 00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:50,839 Speaker 1: who I think's gotten slept on a little bit as 703 00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:54,120 Speaker 1: like the impact that he can have on this Patriots team. 704 00:35:54,120 --> 00:35:55,279 Speaker 1: I just feel like there's not a lot of Josh 705 00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:57,399 Speaker 1: McDaniel's conversation going on here. 706 00:35:57,760 --> 00:36:02,040 Speaker 5: I think that's because it's known we've been burned before. 707 00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:05,520 Speaker 5: It's like there's only so much conversation despite it being 708 00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:07,959 Speaker 5: fundamental to our existence about how much water you can drink, 709 00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:10,800 Speaker 5: Like there's like eight lasses a day. But I'm not 710 00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:15,880 Speaker 5: saying Josh mcdaniels's water well after hearing myself say. 711 00:36:15,719 --> 00:36:22,320 Speaker 1: It, I mean, last time around, at least Mac Jones 712 00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:25,600 Speaker 1: was playing pretty well. Ramandre's playing well. Yeah. I'm just saying, 713 00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:28,760 Speaker 1: can he bring them back to a respectable level along 714 00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:31,800 Speaker 1: with the personnel I think he can his coaching. Can 715 00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:34,600 Speaker 1: Brian Callahan maybe year two with his dad built Callahan 716 00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:38,680 Speaker 1: with the Titans, and then the Cowboys under Brian Schottenheimer, 717 00:36:38,680 --> 00:36:40,399 Speaker 1: who I think have enough twent so those are kind 718 00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:42,640 Speaker 1: of the I can fix them offensive lines. Out of 719 00:36:42,680 --> 00:36:46,320 Speaker 1: those five, I think at least two or three, oh pop, 720 00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:49,680 Speaker 1: and those teams will improve, you know, dramatically because of them. 721 00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:53,000 Speaker 3: Did you get a chance to watch Will Campbell's tape yet? 722 00:36:54,080 --> 00:36:56,480 Speaker 1: I watched the game. I didn't go back and watch 723 00:36:56,560 --> 00:36:59,040 Speaker 1: all twenty two of Will Campbell. I also listened to 724 00:36:59,080 --> 00:37:02,040 Speaker 1: some good analysis of it, and I think it probably 725 00:37:02,080 --> 00:37:04,799 Speaker 1: supported what they've been saying in camp which is that 726 00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:08,360 Speaker 1: he's a dog in run game, that he's going to 727 00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:11,200 Speaker 1: really help open up their running game and that and 728 00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:13,359 Speaker 1: pass protection's up and down and we'll see. 729 00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:14,399 Speaker 3: Just curious. 730 00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:16,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, I watched the game. I didn't go back and 731 00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:20,239 Speaker 1: study him specifically. But they're why did you did you know? 732 00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:23,680 Speaker 1: I mean you don't like him? Yeah, that's not true. No, 733 00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:24,799 Speaker 1: not true. 734 00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:27,000 Speaker 5: I didn't like I don't want to assign laborer, but 735 00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:30,320 Speaker 5: we could chop a Will Campbell greg real and it worked. 736 00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:33,799 Speaker 1: Real not be Well, he's the anti Drake May and 737 00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:36,440 Speaker 1: that I was pretty anti Will Campbell before the Patriots 738 00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:37,920 Speaker 1: took him. And then they took him, and I was 739 00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:40,719 Speaker 1: very pro Drake May before the Patriots took him, and 740 00:37:40,719 --> 00:37:42,360 Speaker 1: then they took him, so then it just it just 741 00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:43,319 Speaker 1: accentuates it. 742 00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:45,239 Speaker 3: I'm just trying to fix you a little bit, you know, 743 00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:45,640 Speaker 3: I can. 744 00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:49,239 Speaker 1: It's just that do it. It's just that dastardly Joe 745 00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:54,640 Speaker 1: Milton taking Travis Hunter away from me. Maybe Abdul Carter, 746 00:37:54,760 --> 00:37:57,960 Speaker 1: but uh probably Travis Hunter. With that Week eighteen win, 747 00:37:58,160 --> 00:38:01,520 Speaker 1: just then you get you get this Will Campbell, who's like, yeah, 748 00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:03,680 Speaker 1: in a different draft, he probably would have gone fifteenth though, 749 00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:06,560 Speaker 1: great glad they won four. Get get it to the 750 00:38:06,600 --> 00:38:08,600 Speaker 1: cut up. I have one question for you. This isn't 751 00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:10,160 Speaker 1: a full I can fix them, but you, to me, 752 00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:14,960 Speaker 1: are the Trevor Whisper of this NFL media group supporter 753 00:38:15,719 --> 00:38:18,439 Speaker 1: because he's he's an option here. What do you think about? 754 00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:20,960 Speaker 1: Is he struggled enough to even make sense as and 755 00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:21,560 Speaker 1: I can fix them? 756 00:38:21,640 --> 00:38:21,719 Speaker 4: No? 757 00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:24,480 Speaker 1: Is there something about him that's always been missing? Can 758 00:38:24,520 --> 00:38:25,799 Speaker 1: Liam Cohen bring him that? 759 00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:31,640 Speaker 5: I think right, it's just in terms of if the 760 00:38:31,719 --> 00:38:35,359 Speaker 5: Jags have that little bit of extra postseason success from 761 00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:37,200 Speaker 5: a few years ago when they when they're like, I 762 00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:40,759 Speaker 5: don't know that Trevor would be on anybody's mind in 763 00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:44,080 Speaker 5: like in terms of being discussed as fixable. He just 764 00:38:44,520 --> 00:38:47,719 Speaker 5: hasn't ascended to the levels that we've seen these other 765 00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:51,520 Speaker 5: quarterbacks in the AFC go to. And then we just 766 00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:55,360 Speaker 5: for some reason feel like there's that significant drop, like 767 00:38:55,360 --> 00:38:58,720 Speaker 5: in terms of the general perception of Justin Herbert versus 768 00:38:58,840 --> 00:39:02,319 Speaker 5: Trevor Lawrence in terms of success, right, I don't. 769 00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:04,160 Speaker 1: I think he's just better that I think you watch 770 00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:07,080 Speaker 1: him on a snap basis and and he's just better. 771 00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:08,680 Speaker 1: And so like even like a tow a tongue of 772 00:39:08,719 --> 00:39:10,759 Speaker 1: a low I would say, is just better. 773 00:39:10,719 --> 00:39:14,680 Speaker 5: Right in my mind, and like to not be to 774 00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:17,720 Speaker 5: that those guys level is not necessarily some like huge 775 00:39:17,719 --> 00:39:21,080 Speaker 5: detriment to like to say that Trevor needs to be fixed. 776 00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:24,600 Speaker 5: I think the Jacks need to be fixed. That will 777 00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:28,040 Speaker 5: definitely change the perception of Trevor Lawrence. But now I don't, 778 00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:30,279 Speaker 5: I don't know if he warrants fixing at this point. 779 00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:31,640 Speaker 5: I think he kind of just is. 780 00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:34,920 Speaker 4: I would just like to see him, as I said 781 00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:39,680 Speaker 4: sitting one seed over last year almost to a tee, 782 00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:42,360 Speaker 4: I would just really like to see him take the 783 00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:46,680 Speaker 4: next step forward in developing his tools, in just developing 784 00:39:46,719 --> 00:39:50,560 Speaker 4: as a player, in just playing. It's almost like it 785 00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:53,399 Speaker 4: you can't almost like quantify. I mean the fumble, sure, 786 00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:55,160 Speaker 4: but like you can't almost quantify some of that. You 787 00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:57,200 Speaker 4: just need to see more. You need to see more 788 00:39:57,239 --> 00:39:59,240 Speaker 4: from the offense. You need to see more from the passer. 789 00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:02,400 Speaker 4: You need to see more of him using his athletic gifts. 790 00:40:02,680 --> 00:40:05,160 Speaker 4: You just need to see more of this. And I 791 00:40:05,239 --> 00:40:07,640 Speaker 4: just think I hope that this is the group to 792 00:40:07,719 --> 00:40:10,560 Speaker 4: do it. They certainly think that this is the group 793 00:40:10,600 --> 00:40:13,879 Speaker 4: to do it because they hired him, so we'll see, yeah. 794 00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:18,040 Speaker 5: And I think because you go to seasons where it's 795 00:40:18,080 --> 00:40:19,799 Speaker 5: like you feel like Gabe Davis is going to be 796 00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:24,279 Speaker 5: a significant contributor in late season, Brian Thomas Junior has 797 00:40:24,600 --> 00:40:27,480 Speaker 5: I think done enough to convince me that they're at 798 00:40:27,520 --> 00:40:31,359 Speaker 5: least offensively. Will be a general shift in perception for. 799 00:40:31,320 --> 00:40:33,600 Speaker 3: The Jacksonville facial tutin running. 800 00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:38,480 Speaker 1: Hard and this little little modernization of the offensive coaching staff. 801 00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:40,880 Speaker 1: There's a lot, but Trevor Lawrence is kind of going 802 00:40:40,920 --> 00:40:43,359 Speaker 1: back to the theme of the show. He's kind of 803 00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:48,040 Speaker 1: like that that great catch you know that you're saying 804 00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:50,120 Speaker 1: you were talking about dating life or just and we're 805 00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:52,600 Speaker 1: talking about human nature like how much can you change? 806 00:40:52,600 --> 00:40:56,399 Speaker 1: And great catch checks every single box like a lot 807 00:40:56,400 --> 00:40:59,919 Speaker 1: of good on paper and there's nothing wrong either. Well, 808 00:41:00,239 --> 00:41:04,279 Speaker 1: it's just that you're just missing something. You're not sure 809 00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:05,680 Speaker 1: what it is. I'm not sure either. 810 00:41:05,719 --> 00:41:07,720 Speaker 5: Yeah, it's wins, it's perception. 811 00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:10,080 Speaker 1: Like now, I think it's more. 812 00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:13,120 Speaker 5: The career will continue, Sean McVay will trade a first 813 00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:15,400 Speaker 5: round pick, he'll come to the Rams and win a 814 00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:19,279 Speaker 5: Super Bowl, like I think, like, okay, the parallels may 815 00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:19,759 Speaker 5: make sense. 816 00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:22,680 Speaker 1: Actually that could be it. And he obviously is getting 817 00:41:22,680 --> 00:41:24,520 Speaker 1: burned a little bit from being a number one overall 818 00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:27,200 Speaker 1: draft pick. But I do think five years in the 819 00:41:27,239 --> 00:41:30,640 Speaker 1: fact that I think the average person, even even someone 820 00:41:30,640 --> 00:41:32,560 Speaker 1: that you're you're admitting maybe he's behind, you know, if 821 00:41:32,600 --> 00:41:36,120 Speaker 1: he's a little like less than average when you're lining 822 00:41:36,160 --> 00:41:37,759 Speaker 1: up the thirty two quarterbacks, that's not where you want 823 00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:40,640 Speaker 1: to be. Oh listen, average, I think when you line 824 00:41:40,719 --> 00:41:44,359 Speaker 1: him up, he's below sixteen at least. Right now, all right, 825 00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:47,760 Speaker 1: let's let's just acknowledge that we fixed everyone. 826 00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:48,399 Speaker 3: I got one. 827 00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:50,200 Speaker 1: I got to all right, one last I can fix. 828 00:41:50,320 --> 00:41:52,400 Speaker 4: You're talking about people who are just searching for that 829 00:41:52,640 --> 00:41:55,239 Speaker 4: special something, you know, to like wake them up in 830 00:41:55,280 --> 00:41:57,200 Speaker 4: the morning, to make them feel a little bit more 831 00:41:57,239 --> 00:42:00,479 Speaker 4: alive than they previously have felt, and maybe are a little 832 00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:03,720 Speaker 4: bit broken, and that person. Finding that person perhaps would 833 00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:06,720 Speaker 4: would fix them, would heal parts of themselves they thought 834 00:42:07,080 --> 00:42:10,959 Speaker 4: headlong since deteriorated into the ether. So I'm talking about 835 00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:15,200 Speaker 4: Jackson Dart potentially fixing Brian Dable. 836 00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:17,359 Speaker 1: Oh interesting, I. 837 00:42:17,520 --> 00:42:21,320 Speaker 4: Want to play the sound of Brian Dable talking about 838 00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:25,480 Speaker 4: Jackson Dart's performance in the Giant's first preseason game for 839 00:42:25,560 --> 00:42:27,320 Speaker 4: your consideration, It's. 840 00:42:27,160 --> 00:42:28,200 Speaker 1: About what I thought he would do. 841 00:42:28,920 --> 00:42:34,800 Speaker 8: Efficient, effective, aggressive, confident in the pocket. Some stuff we 842 00:42:34,840 --> 00:42:35,560 Speaker 8: can work on, but. 843 00:42:37,040 --> 00:42:37,640 Speaker 1: He's doing good. 844 00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:40,080 Speaker 8: Look, there's things he can be better at, but we 845 00:42:40,120 --> 00:42:42,359 Speaker 8: missed some opportunities on third down, some drops that would 846 00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:45,080 Speaker 8: even been better for him and for us. But he's 847 00:42:45,120 --> 00:42:47,400 Speaker 8: a confident young player and he's improved since he's been here. 848 00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:50,440 Speaker 8: Still got a long way to go, but I enjoy 849 00:42:50,520 --> 00:42:53,359 Speaker 8: working with him. I like his demeanor on the sideline, 850 00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:56,440 Speaker 8: sees the game well. Not that we're getting We've got 851 00:42:56,440 --> 00:43:00,480 Speaker 8: a couple of blisses and things like that, but I'm 852 00:43:00,520 --> 00:43:02,839 Speaker 8: glad he's sure so Wow. 853 00:43:03,160 --> 00:43:09,200 Speaker 4: Okay, you might not think that this man sounds healed 854 00:43:09,280 --> 00:43:11,520 Speaker 4: quite yet. In fact, he tried to talk himself out 855 00:43:11,520 --> 00:43:14,600 Speaker 4: of it a few times verbally and audibly in that 856 00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:17,480 Speaker 4: press conference, where he would say something nice and then 857 00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:18,439 Speaker 4: pull it back just a little. 858 00:43:18,440 --> 00:43:20,680 Speaker 3: Am I Am I committing too hard? Am I? 859 00:43:20,719 --> 00:43:23,520 Speaker 4: Two into this guy? And he I'll tell you what. 860 00:43:23,719 --> 00:43:26,439 Speaker 4: He used the word enjoy. I can count on one 861 00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:29,480 Speaker 4: hand the number of times I have heard Brian Dable 862 00:43:30,160 --> 00:43:35,359 Speaker 4: use the word enjoy while wearing Giant's logo. And he 863 00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:39,240 Speaker 4: also was saying he's glad he's here. He likes his demeanor. 864 00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:41,480 Speaker 4: And I swear he had a little twinkle in his 865 00:43:41,560 --> 00:43:42,320 Speaker 4: eye as he talked. 866 00:43:42,840 --> 00:43:44,920 Speaker 5: I can see it. I can see it. I also 867 00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:47,680 Speaker 5: saw and you know, for for coach day ball, for 868 00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:51,600 Speaker 5: everybody out there with short hair, you might need to 869 00:43:51,640 --> 00:43:55,439 Speaker 5: rock the sunscreen dog on the top or get a hat. 870 00:43:55,800 --> 00:43:58,719 Speaker 5: That's all some concerning levels at the top there. And 871 00:43:58,760 --> 00:44:01,000 Speaker 5: it's like we got at to make sure that the 872 00:44:01,040 --> 00:44:02,279 Speaker 5: top needs the sun. 873 00:44:02,320 --> 00:44:04,719 Speaker 1: So he woke up uncomfortable the next day. How can you? 874 00:44:04,840 --> 00:44:06,879 Speaker 1: Why is that a lesson he's still learning? That does 875 00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:11,920 Speaker 1: make you a little worried about his ability to fix 876 00:44:11,960 --> 00:44:14,680 Speaker 1: anyone if he hasn't fixed that situation. 877 00:44:14,840 --> 00:44:18,279 Speaker 3: If once he heals, the ali vera comes out. 878 00:44:19,640 --> 00:44:22,319 Speaker 5: But but you can you can here because there is 879 00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:24,960 Speaker 5: and I know a lot of people attributed it to 880 00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:29,520 Speaker 5: you know, certain media contingencies, uh in New Jersey because 881 00:44:29,719 --> 00:44:33,120 Speaker 5: it's like, oh, they're they're hard on everybody. But it's like, no, 882 00:44:33,320 --> 00:44:36,120 Speaker 5: like coach Table sometimes doesn't seem like he's enjoying the 883 00:44:36,120 --> 00:44:40,840 Speaker 5: conversations he has and talking about Jackson dark sounds. 884 00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:42,560 Speaker 1: You know what he saw, He saw a life raft, 885 00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:46,000 Speaker 1: He saw a potential future for his NFL career. On 886 00:44:46,040 --> 00:44:50,080 Speaker 1: the same day that he gave Josh Allen a big hug. 887 00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:52,160 Speaker 3: And possibly burned his face off. 888 00:44:52,520 --> 00:44:54,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, and possibly burned his face off, he thought, Okay, 889 00:44:54,760 --> 00:44:56,520 Speaker 1: maybe this guy isn't gonna be Josh Allen, but maybe 890 00:44:56,560 --> 00:45:00,160 Speaker 1: he's gonna he's gonna continue my head coaching career. And yeah, 891 00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:03,560 Speaker 1: I would not be surprised to see Jackson Dart starting 892 00:45:03,600 --> 00:45:06,120 Speaker 1: football games for the New York Giants sooner than later. 893 00:45:06,200 --> 00:45:09,320 Speaker 1: But that's for another show. This was a beauty as always, 894 00:45:09,320 --> 00:45:13,560 Speaker 1: we did it, we made it. I think we fixed them. 895 00:45:13,640 --> 00:45:17,160 Speaker 1: We didn't fix them, but we correctly identified the fixing 896 00:45:17,920 --> 00:45:21,080 Speaker 1: that will be going on. So what what are the 897 00:45:21,120 --> 00:45:23,040 Speaker 1: things that you got to work on? 898 00:45:23,640 --> 00:45:26,759 Speaker 5: Patrick? The things that I have to work on, Yeah, 899 00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:31,760 Speaker 5: finishing tasks that need to be done, and telling the people. 900 00:45:31,960 --> 00:45:33,840 Speaker 5: I like the people I'm sitting with here, the people 901 00:45:33,880 --> 00:45:37,480 Speaker 5: in there, the people listening that I appreciate. 902 00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:39,600 Speaker 1: Them, Wow them, you do that, I think. 903 00:45:39,600 --> 00:45:41,920 Speaker 5: Well I need I need to do it more because 904 00:45:41,960 --> 00:45:43,080 Speaker 5: because I love doing this with you. 905 00:45:43,080 --> 00:45:45,680 Speaker 1: Guys, appreciate that. But we got to end on that. 906 00:45:45,760 --> 00:45:52,960 Speaker 1: Let's play the music. That's beautiful. Fun day. Uh what 907 00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:53,920 Speaker 1: do you need to work on? 908 00:45:54,320 --> 00:45:54,360 Speaker 4: No? 909 00:45:54,800 --> 00:46:01,120 Speaker 1: Ye, we need more time for you. Later, we'll be back. Jordan. 910 00:46:01,120 --> 00:46:07,399 Speaker 1: You're gonna tell me about some joint practices in Minnesota, 911 00:46:08,160 --> 00:46:14,040 Speaker 1: like when we fixed everyone football is back. Mm hmm