1 00:00:01,240 --> 00:00:03,640 Speaker 1: Welcome to a special edition of Bloomberg Business of Sports. 2 00:00:03,680 --> 00:00:06,680 Speaker 1: I'm Jason Kelly, chief correspondent for Bloomberg Originals and the 3 00:00:06,720 --> 00:00:09,760 Speaker 1: executive producer and host of The Deal and Power Players 4 00:00:09,800 --> 00:00:12,200 Speaker 1: right here on Bloomberg. Recently, I got a chance to 5 00:00:12,240 --> 00:00:15,320 Speaker 1: co host the USC Next Level Sports Conference out in 6 00:00:15,480 --> 00:00:19,320 Speaker 1: la alongside the deans of USC's Annenberg and Marshall Schools. 7 00:00:19,680 --> 00:00:20,920 Speaker 2: We had tons of interesting. 8 00:00:20,600 --> 00:00:24,720 Speaker 1: Conversations around the intersection of business, sports, culture, technology and media, 9 00:00:25,200 --> 00:00:28,240 Speaker 1: and that included a live taping of Vibecheck. That's a 10 00:00:28,280 --> 00:00:31,360 Speaker 1: new ESPN show that's streaming on Disney Plus. It's a 11 00:00:31,360 --> 00:00:34,199 Speaker 1: different kind of sports talk and highlight show with a 12 00:00:34,240 --> 00:00:37,360 Speaker 1: heavy emphasis on women's sports. And that day I got 13 00:00:37,400 --> 00:00:39,680 Speaker 1: a chance to sit down after the conference was over 14 00:00:40,040 --> 00:00:43,760 Speaker 1: with host l Duncan, Cheney, Oguomikay, and Ri Chambers to 15 00:00:43,760 --> 00:00:46,680 Speaker 1: get well a vibe check on vibe Check as well 16 00:00:46,680 --> 00:00:48,199 Speaker 1: as their take on the stories of the day in 17 00:00:48,240 --> 00:00:51,400 Speaker 1: women's sports. We went especially deep on the state of 18 00:00:51,440 --> 00:00:54,840 Speaker 1: the WNBA, which all of them obviously have been watching closely. 19 00:00:55,240 --> 00:00:58,640 Speaker 1: Ogoomikay herself played in the league for seven seasons and 20 00:00:58,720 --> 00:01:00,440 Speaker 1: let me tell you, they did not hold back about 21 00:01:00,440 --> 00:01:02,720 Speaker 1: the drama in the W right now, especially is the 22 00:01:02,760 --> 00:01:05,840 Speaker 1: current collective bargaining agreement is set to expire. 23 00:01:05,480 --> 00:01:07,360 Speaker 2: On October thirty. First, take a. 24 00:01:07,319 --> 00:01:11,800 Speaker 1: Listen, so Ll, I'll start with you, like, tell us 25 00:01:11,800 --> 00:01:14,640 Speaker 1: about this show, like what is it? 26 00:01:14,720 --> 00:01:17,920 Speaker 2: Like, what what did you conceive of it? And how's 27 00:01:17,920 --> 00:01:18,240 Speaker 2: it going? 28 00:01:19,000 --> 00:01:21,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, So, I think that the conception of this show 29 00:01:21,560 --> 00:01:25,720 Speaker 3: was a space where like we could talk about women's sports, 30 00:01:26,440 --> 00:01:30,759 Speaker 3: but talk about them from our own perspective. And I think, 31 00:01:30,920 --> 00:01:33,840 Speaker 3: you know, the goal in putting Vibe Check together was 32 00:01:33,920 --> 00:01:37,880 Speaker 3: not that like we wanted to be super overly intentional 33 00:01:37,959 --> 00:01:38,440 Speaker 3: about like. 34 00:01:38,800 --> 00:01:40,280 Speaker 4: Let's get the female perspective. 35 00:01:40,600 --> 00:01:43,720 Speaker 3: We are women, and so our perspective on sports, whether 36 00:01:43,760 --> 00:01:46,520 Speaker 3: that be a women's sport or a male sport, will 37 00:01:46,560 --> 00:01:49,400 Speaker 3: skew women and female because that's what we are. So 38 00:01:49,560 --> 00:01:51,240 Speaker 3: for us, it was just more about being able to 39 00:01:51,320 --> 00:01:55,520 Speaker 3: unpack more stories. Bringing in amazing people like Ari, who 40 00:01:55,560 --> 00:01:59,160 Speaker 3: has such a temperature on the women's sports culture and 41 00:01:59,200 --> 00:02:00,680 Speaker 3: has for so many years, is like giving her a 42 00:02:00,720 --> 00:02:02,280 Speaker 3: place where she could cook and have all of this 43 00:02:02,440 --> 00:02:05,800 Speaker 3: information that she's got about whatever it is, from gymnastics 44 00:02:05,840 --> 00:02:08,360 Speaker 3: to women's basketball. And I think that's you know, the 45 00:02:08,400 --> 00:02:11,640 Speaker 3: ability to showcase all of this incredible women talent at 46 00:02:11,840 --> 00:02:14,960 Speaker 3: ESPN was really probably the force multiplier of wanting to 47 00:02:15,000 --> 00:02:18,880 Speaker 3: do this show because in their respective roles, we're all 48 00:02:18,919 --> 00:02:20,680 Speaker 3: sort of limited to the time that we have and 49 00:02:20,720 --> 00:02:22,160 Speaker 3: the role that we have. But this is the place 50 00:02:22,160 --> 00:02:25,040 Speaker 3: where everybody can come and unpack everything that they know 51 00:02:25,320 --> 00:02:26,959 Speaker 3: in an environment that's super warm. 52 00:02:27,720 --> 00:02:29,560 Speaker 4: And I think it's going pretty well, right. 53 00:02:30,560 --> 00:02:35,640 Speaker 5: I think the vibes are high, vibes are immaculate. Yeah, 54 00:02:35,680 --> 00:02:38,520 Speaker 5: you asked about the inception or conception of it. It 55 00:02:38,560 --> 00:02:42,120 Speaker 5: came from authenticity. So, girl, where were working in the tournament. 56 00:02:42,120 --> 00:02:45,560 Speaker 5: We're working in the NCAA tournament, and they give us 57 00:02:45,800 --> 00:02:48,760 Speaker 5: so much content and obviously working with Andrean's like, you're 58 00:02:48,760 --> 00:02:51,600 Speaker 5: going into this basketball matrix. So al needed an easy 59 00:02:51,680 --> 00:02:54,320 Speaker 5: way to get our thoughts because we're going to break. 60 00:02:54,320 --> 00:02:56,400 Speaker 5: We're cutting through so many different games, and so it's like, 61 00:02:56,480 --> 00:02:58,640 Speaker 5: let's just do something like a vibe check where I 62 00:02:58,919 --> 00:03:02,080 Speaker 5: give out two answers and you pick from them and 63 00:03:02,120 --> 00:03:04,240 Speaker 5: see if you two are on the same vibe. So 64 00:03:04,320 --> 00:03:06,440 Speaker 5: that was the start of vibe check because both of 65 00:03:06,520 --> 00:03:10,280 Speaker 5: us just can go to these basketball crazy dark corners. 66 00:03:11,200 --> 00:03:13,119 Speaker 6: But yeah, I remember the first. 67 00:03:12,880 --> 00:03:14,000 Speaker 4: One too, Do you remember what it was? 68 00:03:14,080 --> 00:03:14,160 Speaker 2: No? 69 00:03:14,600 --> 00:03:15,440 Speaker 6: Wasn't it was? 70 00:03:16,320 --> 00:03:20,600 Speaker 4: Yes, all I asked, what's going to be the second half? Storyline? 71 00:03:20,600 --> 00:03:21,400 Speaker 4: Three two one and the. 72 00:03:21,440 --> 00:03:24,399 Speaker 5: Most I mean, Dres said the roughs and I said 73 00:03:24,400 --> 00:03:25,840 Speaker 5: the referee. 74 00:03:26,639 --> 00:03:27,679 Speaker 6: I'm gonna work on my mind. 75 00:03:27,880 --> 00:03:28,079 Speaker 7: Yeah. 76 00:03:29,120 --> 00:03:31,480 Speaker 5: But that's where it started, just saying if we're on 77 00:03:31,480 --> 00:03:33,520 Speaker 5: the same page, And from there it was like the 78 00:03:33,560 --> 00:03:36,480 Speaker 5: most authentic thing. It created a greater space for more voices, 79 00:03:36,800 --> 00:03:39,840 Speaker 5: more sports, and just for us to be ourselves because 80 00:03:39,880 --> 00:03:43,000 Speaker 5: oftentime at ESPN, she's working sports and you're working one 81 00:03:43,040 --> 00:03:47,240 Speaker 5: hundred million different events. I'm working NBA. But this was 82 00:03:47,240 --> 00:03:49,600 Speaker 5: a space for us to be ourselves. 83 00:03:49,640 --> 00:03:52,480 Speaker 1: So all right, come in here to tell us about 84 00:03:52,520 --> 00:03:55,640 Speaker 1: that exact point, because you know, obviously women's sports. 85 00:03:55,400 --> 00:03:56,560 Speaker 2: We're gonna talk a lot about that. 86 00:03:56,680 --> 00:04:01,720 Speaker 1: Ye are rising in popularity in viewership, attention at ESPN 87 00:04:01,800 --> 00:04:04,560 Speaker 1: and elsewhere. What are you How is that manifesting in 88 00:04:04,960 --> 00:04:06,880 Speaker 1: your work and how do you see it showing up? 89 00:04:06,880 --> 00:04:12,040 Speaker 7: Well, because it's increasingly popular, I can change or transform 90 00:04:12,440 --> 00:04:15,640 Speaker 7: transfer my energy from advocacy to storytelling. All I ever 91 00:04:15,640 --> 00:04:18,760 Speaker 7: wanted to do is amplify in storytell around women's sports. 92 00:04:18,800 --> 00:04:22,640 Speaker 7: Women athletes and voccheck gives me the opportunity to do that. 93 00:04:22,680 --> 00:04:25,400 Speaker 7: We have this big comfy couch that LL typically sits 94 00:04:25,440 --> 00:04:28,520 Speaker 7: on their feet up, and we bring in guests and 95 00:04:29,000 --> 00:04:32,000 Speaker 7: get to just be the voice for them or help 96 00:04:32,560 --> 00:04:35,000 Speaker 7: relay whatever they want to relay, and then we can 97 00:04:35,040 --> 00:04:39,279 Speaker 7: share our perspectives and I can focus on with my 98 00:04:39,600 --> 00:04:45,560 Speaker 7: great teammates sharing instead of breaking down these doors. Yes, 99 00:04:45,600 --> 00:04:49,599 Speaker 7: it exists to be the standard be in an innovative space, 100 00:04:49,680 --> 00:04:53,120 Speaker 7: but it also exists as another megaphone for what we're 101 00:04:53,120 --> 00:04:54,080 Speaker 7: already doing right. 102 00:04:54,400 --> 00:04:56,679 Speaker 1: And it's interesting that you frame it like that, because 103 00:04:57,200 --> 00:05:00,240 Speaker 1: it does feel like they're in the best possible way. 104 00:05:00,640 --> 00:05:01,880 Speaker 2: When you turn on the show. 105 00:05:02,480 --> 00:05:05,279 Speaker 1: Everybody sort of in, you know, there's not sort of 106 00:05:05,279 --> 00:05:07,359 Speaker 1: a like Okay, we're gonna explain to you what's going on. 107 00:05:07,480 --> 00:05:10,160 Speaker 1: It's like welcome in. This is happening. So just like 108 00:05:10,360 --> 00:05:13,080 Speaker 1: and we've been felt that on stage. I mean that 109 00:05:13,160 --> 00:05:14,560 Speaker 1: feels very intentional today. 110 00:05:14,760 --> 00:05:18,080 Speaker 5: Yeah, it absolutely is, because one we understand that every 111 00:05:18,120 --> 00:05:20,200 Speaker 5: second is an opportunity for us to talk about what 112 00:05:20,240 --> 00:05:22,040 Speaker 5: we love. We don't take this for granted because it 113 00:05:22,040 --> 00:05:25,040 Speaker 5: doesn't happen often. We're always a mix of people because 114 00:05:25,080 --> 00:05:27,560 Speaker 5: we have so many amazing voices at ESPN and beyond 115 00:05:27,760 --> 00:05:29,159 Speaker 5: that can be a part of it. So the moment 116 00:05:29,200 --> 00:05:32,200 Speaker 5: we say shows on, we're in it, Elle always has 117 00:05:32,240 --> 00:05:33,760 Speaker 5: something cooked up, some jokes, some. 118 00:05:33,720 --> 00:05:35,159 Speaker 6: Scheme, some skit. 119 00:05:35,800 --> 00:05:39,360 Speaker 5: I am already prepping for how I'm gonna take down Drea. 120 00:05:39,400 --> 00:05:41,640 Speaker 5: In an argument, Aria is telling us what is the 121 00:05:41,640 --> 00:05:43,680 Speaker 5: most important thing that happens in women's sports this day 122 00:05:43,960 --> 00:05:46,400 Speaker 5: and communicating with Guess She's known her whole life, basically, 123 00:05:47,000 --> 00:05:50,400 Speaker 5: So I think we understand that the short show is 124 00:05:50,440 --> 00:05:52,640 Speaker 5: shorter than most and so we want to give it 125 00:05:52,680 --> 00:05:54,920 Speaker 5: the best punch ever. And that's why I think it's 126 00:05:54,960 --> 00:05:56,400 Speaker 5: always but even beyond. 127 00:05:56,120 --> 00:06:00,600 Speaker 7: That us getting to know us, it's a bigger are, 128 00:06:00,640 --> 00:06:02,880 Speaker 7: a better space for you to know us as people. 129 00:06:02,880 --> 00:06:04,680 Speaker 7: I see I look on the wall and I see 130 00:06:04,680 --> 00:06:07,520 Speaker 7: a Stanford flag, I see Tennessee flag. I see all 131 00:06:07,560 --> 00:06:13,600 Speaker 7: of L's atl trinkets oast. Literally there are bottleheads of 132 00:06:13,680 --> 00:06:16,279 Speaker 7: outcasts right there. I'm three thousand is right there. But 133 00:06:16,480 --> 00:06:18,120 Speaker 7: it helps you get to know us better, so that 134 00:06:19,720 --> 00:06:22,160 Speaker 7: they have great platforms that they're going to continue to build. 135 00:06:22,200 --> 00:06:25,680 Speaker 7: I'm still building mines, so it kind of uh as 136 00:06:25,680 --> 00:06:29,800 Speaker 7: to our credibility when we storytell around other ESPN entities. 137 00:06:29,839 --> 00:06:32,599 Speaker 1: And so how does it fit in your minds? You know, 138 00:06:32,640 --> 00:06:35,159 Speaker 1: you work across all of these different aspects of ESPN. 139 00:06:35,279 --> 00:06:38,880 Speaker 1: How does it fit into the ESPN ecosystem which is 140 00:06:39,320 --> 00:06:42,880 Speaker 1: feels like it's changing every day. The media landscape is 141 00:06:42,960 --> 00:06:44,719 Speaker 1: changing every day, like l how do you see it 142 00:06:44,760 --> 00:06:48,480 Speaker 1: sort of like fitting in or or maybe defining where 143 00:06:48,520 --> 00:06:48,920 Speaker 1: it's going. 144 00:06:49,040 --> 00:06:50,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's actually a bit of by nature, a bit 145 00:06:50,839 --> 00:06:53,279 Speaker 3: of a disruptor because it is one of the only 146 00:06:53,320 --> 00:06:56,159 Speaker 3: studio shows that we put on Disney Plus, along with 147 00:06:56,279 --> 00:06:59,839 Speaker 3: sc Plus, which premiered you know a little bit before 148 00:07:00,400 --> 00:07:00,760 Speaker 3: as well. 149 00:07:01,160 --> 00:07:01,960 Speaker 4: So I think that. 150 00:07:01,880 --> 00:07:04,760 Speaker 3: Gives you like an ability to sort of merge the 151 00:07:04,800 --> 00:07:06,920 Speaker 3: worlds of linear TV and digital. 152 00:07:07,160 --> 00:07:10,239 Speaker 4: You know, Ari is like a monster in the digital space. 153 00:07:10,920 --> 00:07:14,360 Speaker 3: I've done more linear, although I've also dabbled in digital, 154 00:07:14,760 --> 00:07:17,640 Speaker 3: You've done like she's fantastic on social media and those 155 00:07:17,640 --> 00:07:19,720 Speaker 3: things as well, but mostly her day job is social media. 156 00:07:19,760 --> 00:07:21,360 Speaker 3: It's been really cool to see the different groups sort 157 00:07:21,400 --> 00:07:23,760 Speaker 3: of come together and con see what this would look like, 158 00:07:24,240 --> 00:07:27,240 Speaker 3: knowing that it's on a streaming platform, but also like 159 00:07:27,360 --> 00:07:30,360 Speaker 3: understanding that it is still TV and we still want 160 00:07:30,360 --> 00:07:33,920 Speaker 3: to have the same goals, which is to educate, to entertain, 161 00:07:34,080 --> 00:07:35,120 Speaker 3: to be fast. 162 00:07:34,880 --> 00:07:38,240 Speaker 4: Paced, to get big interviews, to talk about what's happening. 163 00:07:38,320 --> 00:07:40,800 Speaker 3: So I would say in the space at ESPN's it's 164 00:07:40,840 --> 00:07:44,360 Speaker 3: looked at incredibly favorably. And also it's become a bit 165 00:07:44,400 --> 00:07:46,360 Speaker 3: of a destination for the women that work there, right 166 00:07:46,680 --> 00:07:49,120 Speaker 3: the ones that haven't been on the show are hosted 167 00:07:49,200 --> 00:07:51,120 Speaker 3: yet or like when do I get my boves check 168 00:07:52,480 --> 00:07:54,280 Speaker 3: and I'm like, bring some stories, Like tell them that you. 169 00:07:54,320 --> 00:07:55,680 Speaker 4: Are interested in that you want to bring it to 170 00:07:55,720 --> 00:07:56,080 Speaker 4: the table. 171 00:07:56,320 --> 00:07:56,560 Speaker 2: Yeah. 172 00:07:56,600 --> 00:07:59,960 Speaker 7: Also for the women talent, they sit down and watch 173 00:08:00,040 --> 00:08:02,040 Speaker 7: with their families. Just Mendoza was telling me she watches 174 00:08:02,080 --> 00:08:03,840 Speaker 7: it with her family and because they can't watch it 175 00:08:03,880 --> 00:08:05,840 Speaker 7: live often they can just turn it on Disney Plus 176 00:08:05,840 --> 00:08:07,560 Speaker 7: and stream it outa yeah. 177 00:08:07,440 --> 00:08:09,560 Speaker 1: Right, right, all right, So let's talk about the state 178 00:08:09,560 --> 00:08:13,560 Speaker 1: of women's sports if we can. Fascinating moment. You know, 179 00:08:13,600 --> 00:08:16,200 Speaker 1: today we heard a lot of what was going on. 180 00:08:16,520 --> 00:08:19,600 Speaker 1: You know, you guys had Ali Riley on, you know, 181 00:08:19,760 --> 00:08:24,480 Speaker 1: literally days after her retirement from the NWSL with a 182 00:08:24,720 --> 00:08:26,400 Speaker 1: local team, Angel City. 183 00:08:26,840 --> 00:08:28,800 Speaker 2: We had Jess Smith from the Valkyries. 184 00:08:30,800 --> 00:08:34,080 Speaker 1: It feels exciting but also like a little bit precarious 185 00:08:34,120 --> 00:08:38,360 Speaker 1: given everything that's going on with the W especially I 186 00:08:38,360 --> 00:08:42,280 Speaker 1: mean Toenay, maybe start with you the W. But what 187 00:08:42,320 --> 00:08:44,719 Speaker 1: should we be thinking right now? I mean, we're we're 188 00:08:44,760 --> 00:08:48,080 Speaker 1: talking a week before the CBA is up. 189 00:08:48,760 --> 00:08:49,160 Speaker 6: Wow. 190 00:08:49,360 --> 00:08:52,840 Speaker 5: Yes, you know, I have plenty of experience with the 191 00:08:52,920 --> 00:08:55,760 Speaker 5: WNBA with change, considering that I'm you know, I was 192 00:08:55,840 --> 00:08:58,760 Speaker 5: member of the WBPA. My older sister is currently the 193 00:08:58,760 --> 00:09:03,120 Speaker 5: president of the players Sociation. But with great change comes 194 00:09:03,120 --> 00:09:07,000 Speaker 5: great responsibility, but also it comes with disruption. 195 00:09:07,160 --> 00:09:08,320 Speaker 6: You use the perfect word. 196 00:09:08,400 --> 00:09:11,199 Speaker 5: Oh, I look at Angel City and that was the 197 00:09:11,240 --> 00:09:14,800 Speaker 5: blueprint for its time and considerably for the future with 198 00:09:14,960 --> 00:09:16,319 Speaker 5: what is possible. 199 00:09:16,920 --> 00:09:17,920 Speaker 6: I played in the WNBA. 200 00:09:18,000 --> 00:09:19,760 Speaker 5: When I went to my first Angel City game, I 201 00:09:19,800 --> 00:09:22,400 Speaker 5: was still playing and I was like, whoa. I'm literally 202 00:09:22,440 --> 00:09:25,199 Speaker 5: across the street and I'm like, what they have going 203 00:09:25,240 --> 00:09:29,320 Speaker 5: with the business infrastructure, the support, the influencers, the investors. 204 00:09:30,080 --> 00:09:32,000 Speaker 5: I brought some of my family to that game and 205 00:09:32,000 --> 00:09:34,079 Speaker 5: they're like, I didn't know this was possible in women's sports. 206 00:09:34,240 --> 00:09:37,160 Speaker 5: Then you take that blueprint literally shout out to Jessmuth 207 00:09:37,520 --> 00:09:40,040 Speaker 5: and take it over to the Golden State Valkyries and 208 00:09:40,120 --> 00:09:42,760 Speaker 5: build something that shocks a lot of people in its valuation. 209 00:09:43,320 --> 00:09:43,800 Speaker 2: So one. 210 00:09:43,920 --> 00:09:46,520 Speaker 5: The players have always been the best in its kind right, 211 00:09:47,240 --> 00:09:49,840 Speaker 5: always going to put out the best product. But now 212 00:09:49,880 --> 00:09:52,760 Speaker 5: seeing the investment, that's been the biggest disruptor in the 213 00:09:52,760 --> 00:09:55,040 Speaker 5: best way, because people are starting to see that you 214 00:09:55,080 --> 00:09:57,400 Speaker 5: can get in on something right now. 215 00:09:57,160 --> 00:09:59,000 Speaker 6: That is huge for years to come. 216 00:09:59,040 --> 00:10:02,480 Speaker 5: It's a generational asset and I do believe that's transforming 217 00:10:02,800 --> 00:10:06,679 Speaker 5: above all sports the future of the industry. NFL is 218 00:10:06,720 --> 00:10:08,680 Speaker 5: at its peak, NBA is at its peak, you know, 219 00:10:08,840 --> 00:10:12,160 Speaker 5: NHL at its peak. Women's sports is rising, and we're 220 00:10:12,200 --> 00:10:17,360 Speaker 5: seeing that generational change through disruption, positive disruption, good leadership. 221 00:10:17,760 --> 00:10:20,920 Speaker 5: I'm excited and it's wild because the headline's wild. 222 00:10:21,200 --> 00:10:21,520 Speaker 2: Yeah. 223 00:10:21,679 --> 00:10:24,400 Speaker 5: Women are owning their own narratives and statements. I often 224 00:10:24,440 --> 00:10:28,439 Speaker 5: say that like women's athletes, they tend to have multiple degrees. 225 00:10:29,040 --> 00:10:29,880 Speaker 6: They know what they're doing. 226 00:10:29,880 --> 00:10:32,320 Speaker 5: They understand that their power is in the collective. It's 227 00:10:32,400 --> 00:10:34,800 Speaker 5: unlike anything we've ever witnessed before. We're glad to be 228 00:10:34,840 --> 00:10:38,360 Speaker 5: storytellers of it. But I do think that we will continue. 229 00:10:38,360 --> 00:10:39,760 Speaker 5: And I say wee because I can never say, like 230 00:10:40,000 --> 00:10:40,760 Speaker 5: I'm on the other. 231 00:10:40,679 --> 00:10:43,120 Speaker 4: Side of you know, well, you are not right to 232 00:10:43,120 --> 00:10:43,720 Speaker 4: say wee girl. 233 00:10:44,000 --> 00:10:46,720 Speaker 5: Some people don't know how it is, but I am 234 00:10:46,720 --> 00:10:50,160 Speaker 5: excited for the future because the business is booming, the 235 00:10:50,240 --> 00:10:53,880 Speaker 5: players are becoming worldwide stars, and the sky is truly 236 00:10:53,920 --> 00:10:55,600 Speaker 5: the limit and we'll see where it goes. 237 00:10:55,880 --> 00:10:57,600 Speaker 2: You how worried are you about this? 238 00:10:57,679 --> 00:10:58,800 Speaker 6: I know you're gonna come back to me on. 239 00:10:58,920 --> 00:11:05,400 Speaker 5: Ed I'll say this. Every day things change, But one 240 00:11:05,400 --> 00:11:07,760 Speaker 5: thing I do know for sure is that everyone wants 241 00:11:07,760 --> 00:11:09,960 Speaker 5: to keep the product on the floor. We just and 242 00:11:10,040 --> 00:11:13,120 Speaker 5: I say we again. Languages have to be spoken that 243 00:11:13,160 --> 00:11:16,000 Speaker 5: are the same. I think that there was a huge 244 00:11:16,000 --> 00:11:19,040 Speaker 5: moment obviously with the FISA Collier putting out her statements. 245 00:11:20,280 --> 00:11:24,120 Speaker 5: While that was quite a bit to process, particularly from 246 00:11:24,160 --> 00:11:27,960 Speaker 5: the league standpoint, it did create an opportunity to reset 247 00:11:28,480 --> 00:11:31,840 Speaker 5: and right now it's crunch time and hopefully all parties, 248 00:11:31,840 --> 00:11:35,280 Speaker 5: which I believe they are, are working towards reconciliation and 249 00:11:35,320 --> 00:11:40,839 Speaker 5: moving forward because this is the momentum that women's sports 250 00:11:40,840 --> 00:11:43,360 Speaker 5: has been dreaming of. And it's not just basketball. This 251 00:11:43,400 --> 00:11:48,200 Speaker 5: is a moment that will define women's sports. By the CBA, 252 00:11:49,120 --> 00:11:54,560 Speaker 5: bigger paid maternity leave opportunities for veterans when they're done playing. 253 00:11:54,920 --> 00:11:58,080 Speaker 5: There's so many intricacies that touched the workplace overall, not 254 00:11:58,120 --> 00:12:01,520 Speaker 5: just sports. So the time is now every day is 255 00:12:01,559 --> 00:12:03,520 Speaker 5: like a coin flip. But I do think they have 256 00:12:03,559 --> 00:12:05,000 Speaker 5: the same goal. Now, it's time for them to speak 257 00:12:05,000 --> 00:12:05,679 Speaker 5: the same language. 258 00:12:06,040 --> 00:12:06,839 Speaker 2: All right, what do you think? 259 00:12:06,840 --> 00:12:08,920 Speaker 1: I mean, you understand sort of the landscape of women's 260 00:12:08,920 --> 00:12:10,320 Speaker 1: sports as well as anyone, and. 261 00:12:10,320 --> 00:12:11,480 Speaker 6: She can be way more real than me. 262 00:12:12,960 --> 00:12:13,520 Speaker 2: What do you think? 263 00:12:13,920 --> 00:12:17,880 Speaker 7: Well, how as far as revenue, I remember having conversations 264 00:12:17,880 --> 00:12:19,760 Speaker 7: with people in twenty eighteen saying the cost of an 265 00:12:19,760 --> 00:12:21,920 Speaker 7: action is greater than the risk, right, and you see 266 00:12:21,960 --> 00:12:24,720 Speaker 7: the return on investment, and people like Mark Davis who 267 00:12:24,720 --> 00:12:27,720 Speaker 7: bought what the basis for two million twenty twenty one, 268 00:12:27,800 --> 00:12:30,000 Speaker 7: it was like that for two million dollars two hundred 269 00:12:30,080 --> 00:12:34,200 Speaker 7: plus million. It's it's a ridiculously great investment to have. 270 00:12:34,880 --> 00:12:35,040 Speaker 6: Now. 271 00:12:35,080 --> 00:12:37,600 Speaker 7: As far as the CBA, I am not as close 272 00:12:38,000 --> 00:12:40,840 Speaker 7: as Cheney is in it. I will say historically they 273 00:12:40,880 --> 00:12:43,440 Speaker 7: have not met the deadline, but they have come into 274 00:12:43,440 --> 00:12:46,960 Speaker 7: a consensus before the season starts, knowing what they're up 275 00:12:46,960 --> 00:12:51,040 Speaker 7: against between expansion, draft, free agency, and the trajectory that 276 00:12:51,040 --> 00:12:53,760 Speaker 7: women's sports is right now, they want a common goal 277 00:12:53,840 --> 00:12:55,679 Speaker 7: to keep the product on the floor to reiterate. 278 00:12:55,720 --> 00:12:58,400 Speaker 6: But what's the vibes from the players. No, one's closer 279 00:12:58,440 --> 00:13:03,240 Speaker 6: to more players than you players. I'll quote Mekka. 280 00:13:03,679 --> 00:13:06,520 Speaker 7: Neka told me that for the first time, they have 281 00:13:06,559 --> 00:13:10,079 Speaker 7: a real strong foundation that they're unwilling to waiver in 282 00:13:10,280 --> 00:13:12,600 Speaker 7: their foundational requests. 283 00:13:12,840 --> 00:13:13,080 Speaker 1: Right. 284 00:13:13,320 --> 00:13:19,280 Speaker 6: But the players who can't be as not as a 285 00:13:19,280 --> 00:13:20,000 Speaker 6: president for a reason. 286 00:13:20,080 --> 00:13:21,920 Speaker 7: Right. So the players are feeling like, Okay, no, we're 287 00:13:21,920 --> 00:13:23,720 Speaker 7: worth this. We're gonna we're not gonna stop until we 288 00:13:23,800 --> 00:13:26,840 Speaker 7: get the demands, Like we're gonna demand this. But the 289 00:13:26,840 --> 00:13:30,679 Speaker 7: collective bargaining agreement is a bargain. It's going to have 290 00:13:30,760 --> 00:13:31,920 Speaker 7: to have a little give and take. 291 00:13:32,400 --> 00:13:33,680 Speaker 6: But the value is there. 292 00:13:34,240 --> 00:13:36,880 Speaker 7: Numbers talk, The numbers are talking, and the players are 293 00:13:36,920 --> 00:13:39,079 Speaker 7: able to be louder in a way that they haven't 294 00:13:39,160 --> 00:13:42,599 Speaker 7: before swim Cash when she renegotiated in twenty sixteen. So 295 00:13:42,760 --> 00:13:44,559 Speaker 7: we had to know when to walk away from things. 296 00:13:44,600 --> 00:13:46,480 Speaker 7: We had to know what to ask for so that 297 00:13:46,480 --> 00:13:48,200 Speaker 7: the league can sustain. And I think that there's an 298 00:13:48,200 --> 00:13:51,200 Speaker 7: apprehension on the league's side with sustainability if you fulfill 299 00:13:51,240 --> 00:13:53,560 Speaker 7: all the requests. Right now, with the trajectory and the 300 00:13:53,600 --> 00:13:54,199 Speaker 7: way it's. 301 00:13:54,040 --> 00:13:55,000 Speaker 6: Growing, but. 302 00:13:56,440 --> 00:13:59,520 Speaker 7: The reality is how long do you lean on skepticism 303 00:13:59,520 --> 00:14:04,960 Speaker 7: before you completely make your product that's so great feel 304 00:14:06,440 --> 00:14:07,040 Speaker 7: less than. 305 00:14:06,880 --> 00:14:07,520 Speaker 6: What they deserve. 306 00:14:07,880 --> 00:14:09,920 Speaker 4: Yeah, to echo what they're saying. 307 00:14:10,000 --> 00:14:12,400 Speaker 3: I did talk to Sue Bird recently on her podcast, 308 00:14:12,440 --> 00:14:14,120 Speaker 3: and I thought one of the things that she said 309 00:14:14,120 --> 00:14:16,520 Speaker 3: that stood out to her about this negotiation, and she 310 00:14:16,520 --> 00:14:18,560 Speaker 3: couldn't get much into it. She is part owner, right, 311 00:14:19,560 --> 00:14:22,640 Speaker 3: but she was just really inspired by the interest from 312 00:14:22,680 --> 00:14:23,240 Speaker 3: the players. 313 00:14:23,480 --> 00:14:25,640 Speaker 4: She's like, I remember past CBA's. 314 00:14:28,600 --> 00:14:31,520 Speaker 3: They wouldn't answer the phone, they wouldn't show up to meetings, 315 00:14:31,720 --> 00:14:33,080 Speaker 3: they didn't She's like, I don't even know if I 316 00:14:33,120 --> 00:14:35,000 Speaker 3: knew who my team rep was for the first part 317 00:14:35,040 --> 00:14:37,640 Speaker 3: of my career. She was like just because there was 318 00:14:37,720 --> 00:14:39,560 Speaker 3: just almost this hopelessness. 319 00:14:39,880 --> 00:14:41,240 Speaker 4: Of like, well, they're not going to give us anything. 320 00:14:41,400 --> 00:14:42,560 Speaker 6: We're at the mercy of. 321 00:14:42,760 --> 00:14:45,320 Speaker 3: Yes, Like we can't be audacious enough to ask for anything, 322 00:14:45,400 --> 00:14:47,960 Speaker 3: So what's the freaking point. And so for her to 323 00:14:48,000 --> 00:14:50,640 Speaker 3: see the engagement from the players and to see the 324 00:14:50,680 --> 00:14:52,480 Speaker 3: confidence that stand up there and say like, this is 325 00:14:52,520 --> 00:14:55,080 Speaker 3: what we deserve, these are the non negotiables, this is 326 00:14:55,120 --> 00:14:57,080 Speaker 3: what we want to see. The bold like you know, 327 00:14:57,200 --> 00:14:59,960 Speaker 3: movement of the T shirts and the speaking of she's 328 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:02,280 Speaker 3: sh she said that, and I think that's probably what's 329 00:15:02,320 --> 00:15:06,120 Speaker 3: been the biggest difference. Yeah, today, it is the engagement 330 00:15:06,160 --> 00:15:09,120 Speaker 3: from the players who are standing in purpose and saying like, 331 00:15:09,320 --> 00:15:12,840 Speaker 3: we know what our value is and we are gonna 332 00:15:12,840 --> 00:15:15,960 Speaker 3: speak for what's right. Because to her point, this has 333 00:15:15,960 --> 00:15:19,320 Speaker 3: the potential to really be a defining seminal moment in 334 00:15:19,320 --> 00:15:20,160 Speaker 3: women's sports. 335 00:15:20,040 --> 00:15:24,600 Speaker 7: And there's a the players are now having ownership positions, 336 00:15:24,600 --> 00:15:27,920 Speaker 7: whether that's within you know, being a retired player, having 337 00:15:27,960 --> 00:15:30,520 Speaker 7: a team of their own, or creating their own leagues 338 00:15:30,600 --> 00:15:31,720 Speaker 7: or owning their own businesses. 339 00:15:31,720 --> 00:15:33,320 Speaker 6: Like Jane said, they have multiple degrees. 340 00:15:34,760 --> 00:15:37,960 Speaker 7: They're challenging because the league is the mouthpiece for the owner, 341 00:15:38,040 --> 00:15:41,800 Speaker 7: so they're challenging the conventional thought of we cannot accommodate 342 00:15:41,840 --> 00:15:43,640 Speaker 7: this because this is not how the business model is 343 00:15:43,680 --> 00:15:46,200 Speaker 7: when you have them running businesses now. So it's just 344 00:15:46,200 --> 00:15:50,160 Speaker 7: the stronger business sense and grasp for what the reality 345 00:15:50,440 --> 00:15:53,640 Speaker 7: of the landscape is reflected when they're they're they're coming 346 00:15:53,680 --> 00:15:54,360 Speaker 7: to an agreement. 347 00:15:54,480 --> 00:15:57,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's such an interesting point because. 348 00:15:58,640 --> 00:16:02,000 Speaker 1: In sports really large, not just women's sports, you now 349 00:16:02,160 --> 00:16:08,240 Speaker 1: have athletes with economic interests and economics. 350 00:16:07,000 --> 00:16:10,200 Speaker 2: Power that literally they've never had before. 351 00:16:10,240 --> 00:16:13,600 Speaker 1: You know, whether you know today Chris Paul, Maria Sharapova, 352 00:16:14,000 --> 00:16:16,120 Speaker 1: you know, the three of you, you know, I mean, 353 00:16:16,640 --> 00:16:21,160 Speaker 1: it's an entirely different landscape when it comes to athletes 354 00:16:21,400 --> 00:16:22,640 Speaker 1: and the business of sports. 355 00:16:22,720 --> 00:16:26,560 Speaker 5: You have players that are multimillion dollar brands that understand 356 00:16:26,640 --> 00:16:29,320 Speaker 5: their worth. You have players that are launching their own 357 00:16:29,360 --> 00:16:32,480 Speaker 5: leagues and finding creative ways to be sustainable, but also 358 00:16:33,160 --> 00:16:36,600 Speaker 5: go beyond that create new partnerships. And then you have 359 00:16:36,640 --> 00:16:39,640 Speaker 5: players that still do the traditional mode of going and 360 00:16:39,640 --> 00:16:43,600 Speaker 5: playing overseas. The options are much different than where they 361 00:16:43,600 --> 00:16:46,360 Speaker 5: were in the past. And I do think that this 362 00:16:46,400 --> 00:16:49,320 Speaker 5: is a good sign. You know, when players can feel 363 00:16:49,320 --> 00:16:55,360 Speaker 5: like they stand with an individual or collective value, that's. 364 00:16:55,200 --> 00:16:56,760 Speaker 6: A good sign for business. 365 00:16:57,280 --> 00:16:59,800 Speaker 5: But what they want is to be able to share 366 00:16:59,800 --> 00:17:02,680 Speaker 5: in the growth of that. Not saying that it has 367 00:17:02,720 --> 00:17:04,840 Speaker 5: to be equal to what we compare to in other 368 00:17:04,880 --> 00:17:07,920 Speaker 5: sports leagues, but something that is proportional for what they 369 00:17:07,960 --> 00:17:10,840 Speaker 5: reflect and where the business is today. And and these 370 00:17:10,880 --> 00:17:13,600 Speaker 5: players they That's what I loved about what Ali said. 371 00:17:13,720 --> 00:17:14,640 Speaker 5: They talked to each other. 372 00:17:14,760 --> 00:17:15,720 Speaker 6: Yeah, I'll never forget. 373 00:17:15,760 --> 00:17:18,359 Speaker 5: In the last CBA SU was on, so you know 374 00:17:18,359 --> 00:17:19,879 Speaker 5: who else was listening in the background. 375 00:17:19,880 --> 00:17:20,680 Speaker 6: I don't know if that was fair. 376 00:17:20,720 --> 00:17:26,120 Speaker 5: I don't know if I was Megan was Repo and 377 00:17:26,440 --> 00:17:31,159 Speaker 5: they just accomplished. Going to Capitol Hill and fighting. 378 00:17:32,359 --> 00:17:32,960 Speaker 6: Was crazy. 379 00:17:33,040 --> 00:17:37,400 Speaker 5: I remember then they take that institutional knowledge and say, hey, Wnba, 380 00:17:37,600 --> 00:17:40,000 Speaker 5: what do you need to know? And they're like, Oh, 381 00:17:40,080 --> 00:17:42,080 Speaker 5: this is how we're gonna help our lee grow. We're 382 00:17:42,119 --> 00:17:44,639 Speaker 5: gonna take this and build our own leagues. You know, 383 00:17:44,720 --> 00:17:48,200 Speaker 5: so their problem solving on the fly. But you don't 384 00:17:48,200 --> 00:17:51,000 Speaker 5: want the problem to be with an institution that you 385 00:17:51,040 --> 00:17:53,960 Speaker 5: love and adore, you dreamt of since you're a kid. 386 00:17:54,359 --> 00:17:56,240 Speaker 6: You want to be partners in that. 387 00:17:56,680 --> 00:18:00,600 Speaker 7: And then, lastly, the valuation of teams and what the 388 00:18:00,640 --> 00:18:03,240 Speaker 7: owners are willing to pay now that there's a higher 389 00:18:03,280 --> 00:18:05,919 Speaker 7: demand for when you bring in a team, you have 390 00:18:06,000 --> 00:18:09,680 Speaker 7: to meet a certain standard of economic stability. That makes 391 00:18:09,680 --> 00:18:15,040 Speaker 7: a difference too, because there's a inequity of ownership willingness 392 00:18:15,359 --> 00:18:18,680 Speaker 7: to compensate the players. And I think that if all 393 00:18:18,800 --> 00:18:21,760 Speaker 7: ownership groups were able to come to a consensus of 394 00:18:21,800 --> 00:18:23,639 Speaker 7: what it looks like to be a successful team and 395 00:18:23,720 --> 00:18:27,680 Speaker 7: what the ownership groups are willing to put in the 396 00:18:28,200 --> 00:18:31,480 Speaker 7: into the players, it wouldn't be so back and forth again. 397 00:18:31,520 --> 00:18:34,440 Speaker 7: I think the league is the mouthpiece for the owners 398 00:18:34,480 --> 00:18:38,439 Speaker 7: to help bridge the gap between the seven wealthiest versus 399 00:18:38,440 --> 00:18:38,840 Speaker 7: the rest. 400 00:18:39,040 --> 00:18:40,920 Speaker 4: My sources tell me that's not a problem. 401 00:18:41,080 --> 00:18:45,119 Speaker 3: My sources that have negotiated the last few expansion teams 402 00:18:45,400 --> 00:18:48,880 Speaker 3: have told me that in terms of that valuation, that 403 00:18:48,960 --> 00:18:52,359 Speaker 3: they they had three teams that were willing to pay 404 00:18:52,440 --> 00:18:55,040 Speaker 3: that two hundred and fifty million dollar expansion fee, and 405 00:18:55,040 --> 00:18:57,720 Speaker 3: that if they wanted to, they could have had twelve, right, yeah, exactly, 406 00:18:57,960 --> 00:19:02,200 Speaker 3: the new one exist, well, yes, absolutely, yeah, And I 407 00:19:02,240 --> 00:19:04,719 Speaker 3: think they're going to have to force you to one. 408 00:19:04,760 --> 00:19:06,120 Speaker 4: You're going to have to and. 409 00:19:06,040 --> 00:19:07,159 Speaker 2: That is the ownerships. 410 00:19:07,400 --> 00:19:09,159 Speaker 1: We've seen this in soccer and now we're seeing it 411 00:19:09,160 --> 00:19:11,960 Speaker 1: in basketball just as much that you know this is 412 00:19:12,160 --> 00:19:15,000 Speaker 1: this is the evolution of a league, right in this 413 00:19:15,160 --> 00:19:18,480 Speaker 1: sense that like it's no longer you know, you guys 414 00:19:18,480 --> 00:19:20,320 Speaker 1: have heard this as much as I have. It's no 415 00:19:20,359 --> 00:19:23,080 Speaker 1: longer at charity. Not doing it out of your foundation 416 00:19:23,440 --> 00:19:24,040 Speaker 1: is a business. 417 00:19:24,160 --> 00:19:24,360 Speaker 2: Yeah. 418 00:19:24,880 --> 00:19:27,719 Speaker 1: When Will Obey and Bob Eiger bought Angel City at 419 00:19:27,720 --> 00:19:30,359 Speaker 1: a two hundred and fifty million dollars valuation, that was 420 00:19:30,400 --> 00:19:31,760 Speaker 1: the business franchise. 421 00:19:31,840 --> 00:19:33,679 Speaker 5: So now sitting in twenty twenty five about to be 422 00:19:33,680 --> 00:19:34,360 Speaker 5: twenty twenty six. 423 00:19:34,400 --> 00:19:37,440 Speaker 6: That looks like a steal. Yeah, absolutely where that's right. 424 00:19:37,520 --> 00:19:39,240 Speaker 3: But you know, I do also think like r to 425 00:19:39,359 --> 00:19:41,680 Speaker 3: your point, there is always going to be cheap owners. 426 00:19:41,760 --> 00:19:43,760 Speaker 4: Like it's exhaust it just is. 427 00:19:44,000 --> 00:19:45,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, there are I mean how many times do we 428 00:19:45,920 --> 00:19:49,080 Speaker 3: see the NFLPA warn their players don't. 429 00:19:48,840 --> 00:19:49,680 Speaker 4: Go play for them? 430 00:19:50,000 --> 00:19:51,160 Speaker 6: Like like this is. 431 00:19:51,160 --> 00:19:52,040 Speaker 4: Just a reality of it. 432 00:19:52,080 --> 00:19:54,440 Speaker 3: You're going to have huge investment from some owners, and 433 00:19:54,480 --> 00:19:56,280 Speaker 3: you're going to have some owners who are cheap and 434 00:19:56,400 --> 00:20:00,679 Speaker 3: like the But to her point, it's the few and 435 00:20:00,720 --> 00:20:03,000 Speaker 3: far between those cheap ones that don't want to spend 436 00:20:03,040 --> 00:20:05,240 Speaker 3: any money, don't want to upgrade facilities, don't want to 437 00:20:05,240 --> 00:20:07,520 Speaker 3: do any of those things that need to be you know, 438 00:20:07,600 --> 00:20:09,920 Speaker 3: continue to weed out by making sure that there is 439 00:20:09,960 --> 00:20:12,040 Speaker 3: a huge investment in these people. And I think my 440 00:20:12,119 --> 00:20:14,480 Speaker 3: sources are telling me that one of the biggest like 441 00:20:14,600 --> 00:20:16,800 Speaker 3: sort of tipping points and selling points to these perspective 442 00:20:16,840 --> 00:20:20,920 Speaker 3: new owners is like, just like any other business, as 443 00:20:20,920 --> 00:20:23,359 Speaker 3: an entrepreneur that you have started, you are going to 444 00:20:23,359 --> 00:20:24,200 Speaker 3: lose money upfront. 445 00:20:24,480 --> 00:20:25,680 Speaker 4: You need to be okay with that. 446 00:20:26,119 --> 00:20:28,480 Speaker 3: You're going to lose money, But if you keep investing 447 00:20:28,600 --> 00:20:30,440 Speaker 3: it will come back to you tenfold. And I think 448 00:20:30,440 --> 00:20:32,920 Speaker 3: to your point, like Mark Davis is a huge symbol 449 00:20:32,960 --> 00:20:35,240 Speaker 3: for that you buy, he lost money until he didn't 450 00:20:35,359 --> 00:20:37,800 Speaker 3: and now he's got the most important franchise in the 451 00:20:37,920 --> 00:20:38,800 Speaker 3: W So I think. 452 00:20:42,240 --> 00:20:44,520 Speaker 4: It's either the most important franchise. 453 00:20:46,960 --> 00:20:47,320 Speaker 2: All right. 454 00:20:47,359 --> 00:20:49,960 Speaker 1: So to wrap it up, it feels like it just 455 00:20:50,000 --> 00:20:57,560 Speaker 1: based on this discussion, vibes are good? Yeah, And so 456 00:20:57,600 --> 00:20:59,520 Speaker 1: what's next for a vibe check? Like, how do you 457 00:20:59,560 --> 00:21:02,480 Speaker 1: guys think about you know, the next year or two, 458 00:21:02,760 --> 00:21:05,560 Speaker 1: you know, looking out? Does the show grow, does it 459 00:21:05,600 --> 00:21:07,120 Speaker 1: spin off? Like what's what is. 460 00:21:07,119 --> 00:21:09,760 Speaker 2: The the grand vibe check plan? Oh? 461 00:21:10,160 --> 00:21:10,800 Speaker 6: Oh, man. 462 00:21:15,320 --> 00:21:16,600 Speaker 4: Gave me the Middle Sea? 463 00:21:17,160 --> 00:21:19,439 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I think you know, the goal is 464 00:21:19,480 --> 00:21:21,359 Speaker 3: always to at least from this side. 465 00:21:21,400 --> 00:21:24,080 Speaker 4: And like that question may be better answered by. 466 00:21:24,200 --> 00:21:27,160 Speaker 3: A marketing executive or you know, one of our executives. 467 00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:27,960 Speaker 2: What do you want it to be? 468 00:21:28,400 --> 00:21:28,720 Speaker 6: For me? 469 00:21:29,520 --> 00:21:33,440 Speaker 3: I care purely about making sure we do the absolute 470 00:21:33,520 --> 00:21:36,199 Speaker 3: best version of the thing that we have before we 471 00:21:36,200 --> 00:21:39,359 Speaker 3: talk about expanding and spinning, and I am completely driven 472 00:21:39,400 --> 00:21:42,639 Speaker 3: by content and I am also a bit of a 473 00:21:42,640 --> 00:21:46,439 Speaker 3: perfectionist in that, like until I feel like we have 474 00:21:46,760 --> 00:21:49,360 Speaker 3: executed and nailed this thing and we're still figuring it out. 475 00:21:49,440 --> 00:21:52,399 Speaker 3: I mean five check premiered in May, like it's just 476 00:21:52,440 --> 00:21:55,120 Speaker 3: been around for a few months. We are still getting 477 00:21:55,119 --> 00:21:57,679 Speaker 3: our sea legs under us. We're still figuring out combinations 478 00:21:57,720 --> 00:22:00,359 Speaker 3: because again we do have so many. We're still figuring 479 00:22:00,440 --> 00:22:03,199 Speaker 3: out audience metrics. I mean, you know, something can be 480 00:22:03,280 --> 00:22:05,560 Speaker 3: sold and that's amazing, like we want it to be sold, 481 00:22:05,600 --> 00:22:07,840 Speaker 3: but it takes some time to get research to figure 482 00:22:07,840 --> 00:22:11,760 Speaker 3: out what people are resonating with, like what topics they're 483 00:22:11,800 --> 00:22:14,199 Speaker 3: interested in, And so for me, I'm far less interested 484 00:22:14,200 --> 00:22:17,199 Speaker 3: in like what's next for vibe check in terms of scale, 485 00:22:17,320 --> 00:22:19,720 Speaker 3: and much more in like how we each own our 486 00:22:19,760 --> 00:22:21,800 Speaker 3: little space of vibe check and continue to try to 487 00:22:21,880 --> 00:22:24,840 Speaker 3: make it authentic and real and a place that's a 488 00:22:24,880 --> 00:22:28,680 Speaker 3: destination for families to come and learning over the last 489 00:22:28,720 --> 00:22:31,239 Speaker 3: few months, what our demos are, what our audience looks like. 490 00:22:31,640 --> 00:22:34,040 Speaker 4: That to me is information that we'll use moving forward. 491 00:22:35,119 --> 00:22:40,920 Speaker 2: Can you add to that? Well, I appreciate all three 492 00:22:40,960 --> 00:22:44,800 Speaker 2: of you. It's really fun to chop it up. Es 493 00:22:44,840 --> 00:22:45,120 Speaker 2: are great. 494 00:22:46,040 --> 00:22:47,320 Speaker 6: I feel like we should have done a vibe check. 495 00:22:47,440 --> 00:22:52,080 Speaker 3: We should I know, Okay, I got one, Okay, Georgia 496 00:22:52,200 --> 00:22:54,080 Speaker 3: or Georgia Tech, Georgia Tech. 497 00:22:55,920 --> 00:22:59,399 Speaker 4: Sorry you went to Georgia though. 498 00:22:59,280 --> 00:23:00,280 Speaker 2: I didn't get to Georgia. 499 00:23:00,520 --> 00:23:01,680 Speaker 6: You're just a Georgia fan. 500 00:23:02,119 --> 00:23:04,399 Speaker 1: I'm a fan of like I have a lot of 501 00:23:04,400 --> 00:23:07,120 Speaker 1: family from Georgia Tech, which is probably where I tend. 502 00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:08,280 Speaker 2: And then I have a lot of family. 503 00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:14,120 Speaker 3: From Georgia, Georgia Tech, Georgia State, or Georgia. 504 00:23:15,840 --> 00:23:16,679 Speaker 2: Georgia Southern. 505 00:23:19,080 --> 00:23:20,960 Speaker 1: Thanks so much for listening to this special edition of 506 00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:23,600 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Business of Sports. 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