1 00:00:00,880 --> 00:00:09,000 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, State versus Sean Combs, the 2 00:00:09,160 --> 00:00:17,160 Speaker 1: Diddy Trial, Scoreboard, Winners versus Losers, Stars, the Scars. I'm 3 00:00:17,239 --> 00:00:19,640 Speaker 1: Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. I want to thank 4 00:00:19,680 --> 00:00:20,759 Speaker 1: you for being with us. 5 00:00:21,079 --> 00:00:24,280 Speaker 2: It's somehow he pulls out a not guilty verdict. 6 00:00:24,280 --> 00:00:26,400 Speaker 3: He is going to be hell on wills. 7 00:00:26,480 --> 00:00:26,720 Speaker 4: Okay. 8 00:00:26,760 --> 00:00:29,280 Speaker 1: I don't like when you say if he's found not guilty, 9 00:00:29,320 --> 00:00:31,320 Speaker 1: he's going to be hell on wheels because I'm totally 10 00:00:31,320 --> 00:00:33,520 Speaker 1: getting my car car bomb like kid Cody. 11 00:00:33,840 --> 00:00:37,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, there's no coming back from the EDBD, Diddy and 12 00:00:37,760 --> 00:00:40,879 Speaker 3: the DDY one. I've gotten them all here. Yeah, it's 13 00:00:40,920 --> 00:00:44,680 Speaker 3: gonna come after me. Straight out to TISA. 14 00:00:44,360 --> 00:00:47,840 Speaker 1: Tails, joining us at the Monahan Federal Courthouse where Seawan 15 00:00:47,880 --> 00:00:51,400 Speaker 1: Combs is being tried on a multi count federal indictment. 16 00:00:52,040 --> 00:00:55,520 Speaker 1: TISA the star of TISA Tales on YouTube Tisa What 17 00:00:55,680 --> 00:00:55,959 Speaker 1: is the. 18 00:00:55,960 --> 00:00:58,680 Speaker 2: Latest, Nancy and one of the most shocking turn of 19 00:00:58,800 --> 00:01:03,400 Speaker 2: events canceled today? Why you might ask a third juror 20 00:01:03,560 --> 00:01:08,000 Speaker 2: mysteriously came down with vertigo and had to turn around again. 21 00:01:08,560 --> 00:01:11,120 Speaker 2: Nothing makes sense this to Sean Ditty's case, and the 22 00:01:11,200 --> 00:01:14,760 Speaker 2: government is this close to resting their case, Brendan Pohl 23 00:01:15,120 --> 00:01:18,280 Speaker 2: is this close to testifying and putting the final screws 24 00:01:18,360 --> 00:01:22,280 Speaker 2: in on Didty's whole wikle operation. And also people are 25 00:01:22,280 --> 00:01:24,920 Speaker 2: saying they're gonna He's gonna pull KK into the fray. 26 00:01:24,959 --> 00:01:25,199 Speaker 3: Two. 27 00:01:25,600 --> 00:01:30,560 Speaker 2: Yes, Ditty's Jeffrey Epstein will have the same Maxwell name 28 00:01:30,720 --> 00:01:31,640 Speaker 2: Christina Korum. 29 00:01:31,840 --> 00:01:33,080 Speaker 3: But why is this so odd? 30 00:01:33,319 --> 00:01:35,920 Speaker 2: Because first of all, yes, I thought the same thing 31 00:01:35,959 --> 00:01:37,800 Speaker 2: you did. Where was Didty when this happened? 32 00:01:37,959 --> 00:01:39,080 Speaker 5: That's right, he's locked up. 33 00:01:39,000 --> 00:01:42,479 Speaker 2: In the MDC. However, you couldn't write this. 34 00:01:42,840 --> 00:01:45,319 Speaker 3: Diddy's team, in an astonishing. 35 00:01:44,600 --> 00:01:47,840 Speaker 2: Move, the judge acts, does anybody have any objection to 36 00:01:47,920 --> 00:01:51,120 Speaker 2: the juror coming back on Friday? The prosecution, no objection, 37 00:01:51,240 --> 00:01:54,680 Speaker 2: your honor Diddy. Well, Yana, we need to talk to 38 00:01:54,720 --> 00:01:56,440 Speaker 2: our client. We all said, what do you need to 39 00:01:56,480 --> 00:01:59,600 Speaker 2: talk about? The juror has assured the judge that he 40 00:01:59,680 --> 00:02:03,280 Speaker 2: will be fine from his vertigal and be back Friday morning. 41 00:02:03,560 --> 00:02:03,920 Speaker 3: Okay. 42 00:02:04,320 --> 00:02:07,600 Speaker 2: Diddy's team then confirmed and said they wanted a sidebar 43 00:02:07,840 --> 00:02:11,720 Speaker 2: because they have further questions about medical. Now why is 44 00:02:11,720 --> 00:02:14,639 Speaker 2: this so important? Well, think about it. Diddy has been 45 00:02:14,680 --> 00:02:17,240 Speaker 2: trying his best to make a connection with jurors. He 46 00:02:17,320 --> 00:02:20,400 Speaker 2: wanted during number six to stay, he wants during number 47 00:02:20,440 --> 00:02:22,320 Speaker 2: seven out. I think it's fair to assume that he 48 00:02:22,360 --> 00:02:26,560 Speaker 2: does not have that special connection with During number seven. However, 49 00:02:26,639 --> 00:02:29,840 Speaker 2: if they can get this third juror out on medical grounds, 50 00:02:29,840 --> 00:02:32,120 Speaker 2: because it's almost a home strategy, they get sick again, 51 00:02:32,520 --> 00:02:36,400 Speaker 2: who knows then this alternate and whoever it is did 52 00:02:36,400 --> 00:02:38,960 Speaker 2: he must also think he has a special connection with 53 00:02:39,200 --> 00:02:41,800 Speaker 2: He can pull that alternate down and he thinks he 54 00:02:41,800 --> 00:02:46,440 Speaker 2: can increase his chances, if not for a not guilty verdict, 55 00:02:46,440 --> 00:02:48,840 Speaker 2: because let's be rolled, that's not happening, but pull it 56 00:02:48,880 --> 00:02:53,880 Speaker 2: in so that he can actually get this mistrial that 57 00:02:54,000 --> 00:02:56,480 Speaker 2: he has been begging and waiting, or at the very 58 00:02:56,560 --> 00:03:00,239 Speaker 2: least have better grounds for an appeal. You guys, Judge 59 00:03:00,280 --> 00:03:02,680 Speaker 2: didn't call it tell us much. So why is this 60 00:03:02,760 --> 00:03:06,040 Speaker 2: show shocking? Well, for one, Judge Aaron has yet to 61 00:03:06,080 --> 00:03:08,079 Speaker 2: tell us what's going on with during number seven. 62 00:03:08,320 --> 00:03:11,079 Speaker 3: Does he think just because we have a sick. 63 00:03:10,919 --> 00:03:13,280 Speaker 2: Day and again, I'll take a six day snow day 64 00:03:13,320 --> 00:03:16,760 Speaker 2: anyway I can get it that we do not have questions? Again, 65 00:03:16,800 --> 00:03:19,840 Speaker 2: Judge Aaron has been exceedingly fair. He's expected to rule 66 00:03:19,880 --> 00:03:24,639 Speaker 2: on during number seven on Friday. That's if this mysterious 67 00:03:24,680 --> 00:03:28,640 Speaker 2: sick juror actually comes in again. Diddy has made it 68 00:03:28,800 --> 00:03:31,600 Speaker 2: very clear who he thinks he has a special connection with, 69 00:03:31,960 --> 00:03:34,920 Speaker 2: and today he put the wills in motion to try 70 00:03:34,960 --> 00:03:38,720 Speaker 2: to find some medical ground to strike this juror out 71 00:03:39,120 --> 00:03:42,440 Speaker 2: and to pull this alternate that Diddy has his eyeset 72 00:03:42,480 --> 00:03:45,880 Speaker 2: on again. A lot of court intrigue, a lot going on. 73 00:03:46,120 --> 00:03:49,040 Speaker 2: We hope the dur is okay, but for right now 74 00:03:49,080 --> 00:03:51,480 Speaker 2: we are waiting and bait it breath for what the 75 00:03:51,560 --> 00:03:55,160 Speaker 2: judge decides on during number seven and if Diddy's team 76 00:03:55,200 --> 00:03:58,680 Speaker 2: was able to find a medical excuse to dismiss this 77 00:03:58,960 --> 00:04:03,000 Speaker 2: third juror and pull in that alternate that Diddy has 78 00:04:03,240 --> 00:04:04,560 Speaker 2: been making googly eyes at. 79 00:04:04,840 --> 00:04:09,680 Speaker 1: Joining us now outside the Monahan Federal Courthouse, Lauren Colin, 80 00:04:10,760 --> 00:04:14,280 Speaker 1: investigative reporter and start of Pop Crime TV on YouTube. 81 00:04:14,320 --> 00:04:16,040 Speaker 3: Lauren, thank you for being with us. 82 00:04:16,560 --> 00:04:22,720 Speaker 1: Witness after witness, excruciating detail after excruciating detail, multiple. 83 00:04:22,400 --> 00:04:27,200 Speaker 3: Motions for miss trial by the defense. What do you 84 00:04:27,240 --> 00:04:27,640 Speaker 3: make of it? 85 00:04:27,920 --> 00:04:30,720 Speaker 5: Yes? I think I speak for everyone here. 86 00:04:30,880 --> 00:04:34,679 Speaker 6: We are very relieved to be moving on and having 87 00:04:34,720 --> 00:04:36,400 Speaker 6: the defense start their case. 88 00:04:36,440 --> 00:04:36,960 Speaker 5: In chief. 89 00:04:37,279 --> 00:04:39,279 Speaker 6: I think a lot of people are anxious for the 90 00:04:39,360 --> 00:04:42,880 Speaker 6: witness list as well. We've already learned of a couple witnesses, 91 00:04:42,920 --> 00:04:46,040 Speaker 6: and I believe the first witness will be a bad 92 00:04:46,120 --> 00:04:49,480 Speaker 6: Boy employee who is in charge of HR. The government 93 00:04:49,560 --> 00:04:53,640 Speaker 6: has inferred numerous times that the bad Boy HR department 94 00:04:53,839 --> 00:04:57,719 Speaker 6: wasn't necessarily quote unquote real, that they just did more 95 00:04:57,800 --> 00:05:01,000 Speaker 6: of Sean Colmes's bidding. So I guess we'll wait and 96 00:05:01,040 --> 00:05:05,080 Speaker 6: see when this person takes the stand and Nancy. There 97 00:05:05,400 --> 00:05:08,440 Speaker 6: seems to be a lot going on behind the scenes 98 00:05:08,480 --> 00:05:12,719 Speaker 6: as well. The judge has been not super happy with 99 00:05:13,240 --> 00:05:16,839 Speaker 6: the defense and the government as information has seemed. 100 00:05:16,560 --> 00:05:18,800 Speaker 5: To be leaked to the press. I mean, it's been 101 00:05:19,200 --> 00:05:20,400 Speaker 5: never a dull moment here. 102 00:05:20,600 --> 00:05:22,240 Speaker 3: You know, trials are like that. 103 00:05:22,480 --> 00:05:26,240 Speaker 1: Joining me Philip Dubay, high profile lawyer out of LA's 104 00:05:26,279 --> 00:05:32,200 Speaker 1: tried a lot of cases. Dubay, every trial is like 105 00:05:32,400 --> 00:05:36,120 Speaker 1: a very unique animal. It reminds me of Harry Potter 106 00:05:36,520 --> 00:05:40,120 Speaker 1: toward the end, where each person was going to do 107 00:05:40,240 --> 00:05:43,719 Speaker 1: battle with a dragon, and you basically reach into a 108 00:05:43,760 --> 00:05:46,880 Speaker 1: bag and you pull out a miniature live dragon. You 109 00:05:46,880 --> 00:05:48,560 Speaker 1: don't know which one you're going to get, and they're 110 00:05:48,600 --> 00:05:50,359 Speaker 1: all lethal and deadly. 111 00:05:51,040 --> 00:05:54,359 Speaker 3: You never know which way a trial is going to go. 112 00:05:54,480 --> 00:05:57,320 Speaker 3: You really don't know what the witness is going to say. 113 00:05:57,560 --> 00:05:59,960 Speaker 1: Who could have predicted a leak, who could have predicted 114 00:06:00,080 --> 00:06:03,479 Speaker 1: all the motions from mistrial? Who could have predicted Sean 115 00:06:03,560 --> 00:06:06,240 Speaker 1: Combs getting reprimand and threatened to be thrown out of 116 00:06:06,240 --> 00:06:08,799 Speaker 1: the courtroom, yourrs getting thrown off. 117 00:06:09,320 --> 00:06:10,520 Speaker 3: Every case is like this. 118 00:06:10,600 --> 00:06:13,520 Speaker 1: There's no predictability when you go to trial. 119 00:06:13,360 --> 00:06:17,360 Speaker 7: Exactly, and frankly, the defense is not even predictable. I 120 00:06:17,400 --> 00:06:20,040 Speaker 7: cannot tell you, Nancy, how many times in my career 121 00:06:20,080 --> 00:06:23,960 Speaker 7: why I've had to develop a defense mid trial, because 122 00:06:24,000 --> 00:06:26,200 Speaker 7: a lot of times the strategy is based on how 123 00:06:26,200 --> 00:06:29,280 Speaker 7: the evidence is presented and how it unfolds against the client. 124 00:06:29,800 --> 00:06:32,080 Speaker 7: So you have door number one, door number two, and 125 00:06:32,160 --> 00:06:34,920 Speaker 7: door number three ready to go depending on how everything 126 00:06:35,000 --> 00:06:38,320 Speaker 7: is presented, and even then you can still lose, or 127 00:06:39,040 --> 00:06:41,800 Speaker 7: the jury may throw you a bone and find reasonable doubt. 128 00:06:42,000 --> 00:06:45,320 Speaker 1: I think what you meant to say, Philip Dubay is 129 00:06:45,360 --> 00:06:48,279 Speaker 1: that evidence starts pouring from the witness stand during the 130 00:06:48,279 --> 00:06:52,039 Speaker 1: state's case and you look at your client like that 131 00:06:52,240 --> 00:06:56,599 Speaker 1: is nothing like what you told me really happened, and 132 00:06:56,680 --> 00:07:00,440 Speaker 1: so you have to basically step back and do a 133 00:07:00,520 --> 00:07:01,120 Speaker 1: hail Mary. 134 00:07:01,360 --> 00:07:04,320 Speaker 3: You have to change your trial strategy. 135 00:07:04,400 --> 00:07:09,320 Speaker 1: And I've seen the defense changing their trial strategy during 136 00:07:09,360 --> 00:07:15,320 Speaker 1: this case. Remember when Brian Steele started cross examining one 137 00:07:15,320 --> 00:07:17,200 Speaker 1: of the alleged victims in. 138 00:07:17,200 --> 00:07:19,280 Speaker 3: A very genial manner. 139 00:07:19,320 --> 00:07:22,720 Speaker 1: I think it was Mia, and Sean Combs was twisting 140 00:07:22,760 --> 00:07:25,160 Speaker 1: and turning in his seat, gnashing his teeth and twisting 141 00:07:25,160 --> 00:07:29,880 Speaker 1: his tail. And suddenly, after a break, Brian Steele came 142 00:07:30,080 --> 00:07:34,960 Speaker 1: at the witness like a steamroller, just tearing her to shreds. 143 00:07:35,280 --> 00:07:38,000 Speaker 1: So the trial strategy had to change. 144 00:07:38,200 --> 00:07:39,640 Speaker 7: Yeah, but I got to tell you got to be 145 00:07:39,760 --> 00:07:42,360 Speaker 7: very careful because you don't want to turn every witness 146 00:07:42,480 --> 00:07:48,080 Speaker 7: into a tripwire. You turned that courtroom into an ultimate landmine, 147 00:07:48,120 --> 00:07:50,720 Speaker 7: and you don't want to upset the jury. The practical 148 00:07:50,800 --> 00:07:53,720 Speaker 7: reality of it is, Nancy, that defense council has all 149 00:07:53,760 --> 00:07:56,760 Speaker 7: discovery ahead of trial. They know exactly what all the 150 00:07:56,800 --> 00:08:00,600 Speaker 7: witness statements are, what they intend to say. What's really 151 00:08:00,600 --> 00:08:03,880 Speaker 7: no surprise. The real question is are the witnesses going 152 00:08:03,960 --> 00:08:07,600 Speaker 7: to stick to that discovery script? And oftentimes they say 153 00:08:07,640 --> 00:08:10,920 Speaker 7: stuff that was not memorialized in the narratives prepared by 154 00:08:10,960 --> 00:08:12,920 Speaker 7: the cops. So you have to kind of learn to 155 00:08:13,000 --> 00:08:16,680 Speaker 7: quickly pivot, and depending on what they say and how 156 00:08:16,760 --> 00:08:19,640 Speaker 7: quickly you pivot, you might have to change your strategy 157 00:08:19,720 --> 00:08:22,040 Speaker 7: or overall tactic and maybe even put the client on 158 00:08:22,080 --> 00:08:23,320 Speaker 7: the stand to rebut it all. 159 00:08:23,600 --> 00:08:25,880 Speaker 3: Lauren Colin joining us at the on hand Federal Courthouse. 160 00:08:25,960 --> 00:08:30,880 Speaker 1: Lauren Colin a rep from the h R Department of 161 00:08:31,040 --> 00:08:32,959 Speaker 1: Bad Boy Productions. 162 00:08:33,000 --> 00:08:35,360 Speaker 3: Correct, correct, Nancy, Okay. 163 00:08:35,640 --> 00:08:39,320 Speaker 1: I don't know that I would Philip Dubay start my 164 00:08:39,440 --> 00:08:42,120 Speaker 1: case off. You know, normally you try to start with 165 00:08:42,280 --> 00:08:45,360 Speaker 1: a bam right, and then at the end you want 166 00:08:45,360 --> 00:08:48,520 Speaker 1: to start hard and finish hard. 167 00:08:49,679 --> 00:08:53,920 Speaker 3: Everybody, Philip Dubay hates h R. 168 00:08:54,440 --> 00:08:57,000 Speaker 1: I mean, is there anybody on the panel that likes 169 00:08:57,280 --> 00:09:01,240 Speaker 1: HR human Resources? When you see the Resources lady coming 170 00:09:01,240 --> 00:09:02,720 Speaker 1: down the hall, everybody. 171 00:09:02,240 --> 00:09:04,480 Speaker 3: Goes, oh no, who did what wrong? 172 00:09:04,559 --> 00:09:04,800 Speaker 1: Now? 173 00:09:04,920 --> 00:09:06,480 Speaker 3: Somebody did so? 174 00:09:06,720 --> 00:09:07,079 Speaker 4: Do Bay? 175 00:09:08,120 --> 00:09:11,360 Speaker 3: I don't know. Calling HR as a star witness is 176 00:09:11,400 --> 00:09:14,040 Speaker 3: that wise? And plus an. 177 00:09:14,160 --> 00:09:19,520 Speaker 1: HR witness from Bad Boy Records who's been authorizing the 178 00:09:19,720 --> 00:09:23,160 Speaker 1: let's see extortion payment, Correct me if I'm wrong. Lauren 179 00:09:23,200 --> 00:09:27,040 Speaker 1: Conlin in City Summer the extortion payment to Cassie Ventura's 180 00:09:27,080 --> 00:09:31,640 Speaker 1: mother where they want a twenty grand and the quid 181 00:09:31,640 --> 00:09:36,760 Speaker 1: pro quo was not leaking orgy videos, freak off videos 182 00:09:36,760 --> 00:09:40,000 Speaker 1: of their daughter who was just starting in her music career. 183 00:09:40,559 --> 00:09:43,440 Speaker 1: That was through bad Boy records, all the casts that 184 00:09:43,480 --> 00:09:47,600 Speaker 1: flowed through them, that the sex workers were paid with 185 00:09:47,920 --> 00:09:52,920 Speaker 1: the buying the drugs, buy bad Boy employees. I mean, 186 00:09:53,920 --> 00:09:58,840 Speaker 1: you're putting up a bad boy HR person that cross 187 00:09:58,960 --> 00:10:03,280 Speaker 1: examination out. I mean, is that the way to kick 188 00:10:03,280 --> 00:10:06,880 Speaker 1: a case off debate as one of your star witnesses. 189 00:10:07,120 --> 00:10:10,280 Speaker 7: Of course, it is one of the best kept secrets 190 00:10:10,280 --> 00:10:13,880 Speaker 7: about HR in every corporation, in every business throughout America 191 00:10:14,000 --> 00:10:16,440 Speaker 7: is they're there to protect the company. They don't really 192 00:10:16,480 --> 00:10:19,719 Speaker 7: care about employee interests. As a practical matter, they do 193 00:10:20,240 --> 00:10:23,559 Speaker 7: damage control, risk management. They try to assess what if 194 00:10:23,600 --> 00:10:26,200 Speaker 7: anything that's getting reported to them or what if anything 195 00:10:26,240 --> 00:10:30,760 Speaker 7: they've observed could put the company at risk of liability. 196 00:10:31,080 --> 00:10:32,840 Speaker 7: So they're not going to say or do anything that 197 00:10:32,880 --> 00:10:35,440 Speaker 7: could harm the company because that's where their loyalty lives. 198 00:10:35,600 --> 00:10:37,960 Speaker 1: Okay, you're still pretending that this is a company instead 199 00:10:38,000 --> 00:10:41,800 Speaker 1: of Sean Combe's alter ego to doctor Bethany Marshall, joining 200 00:10:41,920 --> 00:10:44,120 Speaker 1: us renown psycho analysts out of the LA. 201 00:10:44,120 --> 00:10:46,319 Speaker 3: Jurisdiction author of deal Breakers. 202 00:10:46,520 --> 00:10:48,520 Speaker 1: You can see her on Peacock and find her at 203 00:10:48,559 --> 00:10:52,199 Speaker 1: doctor Bethany Marshall dot com. Why does everybody hate HR? 204 00:10:52,320 --> 00:10:54,480 Speaker 8: You know, Nancy, Most of my patients who come in 205 00:10:54,520 --> 00:10:59,400 Speaker 8: with major depressive disorder or sudden psychiatric symptoms, often they've 206 00:10:59,400 --> 00:11:03,319 Speaker 8: gotten into with their companies and HR has come in 207 00:11:03,360 --> 00:11:07,360 Speaker 8: and confronted them. And Philip Dubay is right. HR is 208 00:11:07,440 --> 00:11:10,080 Speaker 8: always on the side of the company. Although, as you 209 00:11:10,120 --> 00:11:13,280 Speaker 8: pointed out, what company right? So this is basically HR 210 00:11:13,400 --> 00:11:18,040 Speaker 8: doing pdd's bidding. But it's not a good idea. It's 211 00:11:18,080 --> 00:11:20,080 Speaker 8: not a good look when you see HR coming down 212 00:11:20,080 --> 00:11:23,559 Speaker 8: the hall, and also when you get in trouble with HR, 213 00:11:23,800 --> 00:11:27,960 Speaker 8: everybody else knows about And whenever I submit insurance claims, 214 00:11:28,120 --> 00:11:30,920 Speaker 8: my patient's first question is are they going to find 215 00:11:30,920 --> 00:11:33,520 Speaker 8: out about this in HR? They're terrified of HR? 216 00:11:33,720 --> 00:11:37,240 Speaker 1: And you know what's so interesting? I don't know interesting 217 00:11:37,320 --> 00:11:41,319 Speaker 1: is the right word. Let me say sham Lynn Shaw 218 00:11:41,480 --> 00:11:45,680 Speaker 1: joining me, founder executive director Lynn's Warriors, committed to ending 219 00:11:45,920 --> 00:11:49,040 Speaker 1: sex trafficking and sex abuse of girls and Women's really 220 00:11:49,720 --> 00:11:55,079 Speaker 1: the head of h R in a sex trafficking case? 221 00:11:55,280 --> 00:11:58,240 Speaker 1: Where was HR when all of this was happening. 222 00:11:58,440 --> 00:12:03,720 Speaker 9: Yeah, HR equals hell racket exactly, Nancy, where were they when, 223 00:12:03,880 --> 00:12:06,000 Speaker 9: in my opinion, this is nothing more of this bad 224 00:12:06,080 --> 00:12:11,240 Speaker 9: boy worldwide Entertainment production company with their names splattered all 225 00:12:11,280 --> 00:12:14,040 Speaker 9: over this skyscraper down the street from me here in 226 00:12:14,040 --> 00:12:18,520 Speaker 9: New York was doing all these things to these victims, 227 00:12:18,559 --> 00:12:21,880 Speaker 9: alleged victims and these women. Where were they to step 228 00:12:21,880 --> 00:12:24,520 Speaker 9: in and say, hey, you know, if this was even 229 00:12:24,559 --> 00:12:28,760 Speaker 9: a legitimate business, which I don't think it was at all, 230 00:12:28,800 --> 00:12:33,160 Speaker 9: you can't do this, dirty diddy, because this will affect business. 231 00:12:33,240 --> 00:12:36,320 Speaker 9: And I use that loosely business. You better stop with 232 00:12:36,360 --> 00:12:40,119 Speaker 9: these women, You better clean up your act. Nobody did anything. 233 00:12:40,559 --> 00:12:44,640 Speaker 9: This is such a criminal enterprise. I can clearly see it. 234 00:12:44,640 --> 00:12:49,480 Speaker 9: It is the playbook vulnerable people, powerful people over less 235 00:12:49,679 --> 00:12:53,480 Speaker 9: fortunate people. So this hell racket equals HR is a 236 00:12:53,520 --> 00:12:56,360 Speaker 9: big zero. I bet you there was no office, no HR, 237 00:12:56,559 --> 00:12:59,080 Speaker 9: no anything. He had one or two people that were 238 00:12:59,080 --> 00:13:03,360 Speaker 9: there to protect dirty ditty and the enterprise, the criminal enterprise, 239 00:13:03,400 --> 00:13:05,720 Speaker 9: in my opinion, So let's put the focus back on 240 00:13:05,840 --> 00:13:09,840 Speaker 9: victims and survivors of this dirty ditty and all victims 241 00:13:09,840 --> 00:13:13,720 Speaker 9: and survivors of sexual exploitation. Where's the HR companies for 242 00:13:13,880 --> 00:13:17,280 Speaker 9: all of them. They do not exist. Dirty ditty done 243 00:13:17,400 --> 00:13:21,000 Speaker 9: going down Hell. Racket No HR in that big building 244 00:13:21,040 --> 00:13:21,960 Speaker 9: down the street. 245 00:13:21,760 --> 00:13:25,960 Speaker 1: And they will be riding HR's tailpipe straight on the 246 00:13:26,000 --> 00:13:30,400 Speaker 1: way to Hell. To Lauren Colin joining me outside the courthouse. 247 00:13:30,520 --> 00:13:33,880 Speaker 1: One of the one of the final witnesses for the State, 248 00:13:33,960 --> 00:13:40,320 Speaker 1: Special Agent Dealisa Penland. All right, now. Penland was in 249 00:13:40,440 --> 00:13:45,319 Speaker 1: charge of a lot of documents and records, and Penland 250 00:13:45,400 --> 00:13:49,679 Speaker 1: was used to tie it all together explain the significance 251 00:13:49,920 --> 00:13:51,800 Speaker 1: of one of the state's last witnesses. 252 00:13:52,040 --> 00:13:55,439 Speaker 6: What we saw, Nancy from Special Agent Penland was charts 253 00:13:55,520 --> 00:14:00,400 Speaker 6: and graphs and records which were essentially proof of flight 254 00:14:01,640 --> 00:14:02,400 Speaker 6: for escorts. 255 00:14:02,520 --> 00:14:04,520 Speaker 5: We saw Jewles Theodore. 256 00:14:04,640 --> 00:14:07,840 Speaker 6: We saw a flight for him from la to New 257 00:14:07,920 --> 00:14:11,359 Speaker 6: York City, and then we saw a London hotel invoice 258 00:14:11,440 --> 00:14:17,680 Speaker 6: and then text messages corresponding Cassy Ventura corresponding with Jewels Theodore. 259 00:14:17,920 --> 00:14:22,480 Speaker 6: In addition, we also saw Clayton Howard, who was another escort, 260 00:14:22,880 --> 00:14:27,480 Speaker 6: his flight records, his hotel records, and other correspondences between 261 00:14:27,520 --> 00:14:31,720 Speaker 6: he and Cassie Ventura. And we also saw Sean Colmes's 262 00:14:31,760 --> 00:14:36,160 Speaker 6: bank records and AMEX bills which were paid with these 263 00:14:36,200 --> 00:14:40,360 Speaker 6: specific banks matching up to all of these charts and grafts, 264 00:14:40,360 --> 00:14:43,120 Speaker 6: and it was very, very detailed. And then I think 265 00:14:43,160 --> 00:14:46,160 Speaker 6: the biggest thing of the morning with this special Agent 266 00:14:46,240 --> 00:14:51,880 Speaker 6: testimony was the correspondences and communications from March fifth, twenty 267 00:14:51,920 --> 00:14:56,440 Speaker 6: sixteen to March seventh, twenty sixteen, which was the morning 268 00:14:56,560 --> 00:14:59,880 Speaker 6: of Cassie's beating, all the way up until he finally 269 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:02,200 Speaker 6: got the tape from the security guard. 270 00:15:02,520 --> 00:15:04,200 Speaker 5: So we saw all of. 271 00:15:04,080 --> 00:15:06,560 Speaker 6: The I want to say, upwards of one hundred miss 272 00:15:06,600 --> 00:15:09,640 Speaker 6: pauls that Sean Combs made to Cassie that day, which 273 00:15:09,680 --> 00:15:13,560 Speaker 6: then escalated to Christina Quorum calling Cassie and then Christina 274 00:15:13,960 --> 00:15:16,840 Speaker 6: Qorum corresponding with another assistant to try to get this 275 00:15:17,000 --> 00:15:20,400 Speaker 6: video all the way up until Eddie Garcia was corresponding 276 00:15:20,400 --> 00:15:23,920 Speaker 6: with Sean Colmbs, and then we saw the premiere the 277 00:15:23,920 --> 00:15:27,200 Speaker 6: Perfect Match premiere photo of Cassi Venturo, which happened the 278 00:15:27,320 --> 00:15:30,240 Speaker 6: very next day when she had the bruised eye and 279 00:15:30,280 --> 00:15:33,320 Speaker 6: the busted lift, So they put all of this together 280 00:15:33,360 --> 00:15:37,080 Speaker 6: for us. However, Tenny Geragos did point out a couple 281 00:15:37,120 --> 00:15:37,880 Speaker 6: of things. 282 00:15:37,600 --> 00:15:39,640 Speaker 5: That were wrong on the chart. 283 00:15:39,920 --> 00:15:43,320 Speaker 6: She pointed out a date where Cassie Ventura wasn't actually 284 00:15:43,680 --> 00:15:46,600 Speaker 6: in the country. She was in South Africa, and they 285 00:15:46,640 --> 00:15:48,320 Speaker 6: had passy kind of matching. 286 00:15:48,080 --> 00:15:49,080 Speaker 5: Up to this one hotel. 287 00:15:49,640 --> 00:15:53,960 Speaker 6: But overall it was a very important summary witness because 288 00:15:54,080 --> 00:15:57,720 Speaker 6: we saw all of the records that go directly with 289 00:15:57,800 --> 00:15:58,560 Speaker 6: the indictment. 290 00:15:59,200 --> 00:16:03,560 Speaker 10: Special Agent Lisa Penland's summary chart regarding meetings Cassie Ventura 291 00:16:03,680 --> 00:16:07,600 Speaker 10: attended has seventy one separate entries, and Penland testified the 292 00:16:07,680 --> 00:16:12,280 Speaker 10: chart only includes entries for meetings that have associated video footage. 293 00:16:12,360 --> 00:16:16,160 Speaker 10: Cassie previously testified it was impossible to determine exactly how 294 00:16:16,160 --> 00:16:20,040 Speaker 10: many freak coughs she endured, but estimated hundreds. Penland is 295 00:16:20,080 --> 00:16:23,120 Speaker 10: set to go over a similar chart regarding Colme's meetings 296 00:16:23,160 --> 00:16:24,680 Speaker 10: with Jane next. 297 00:16:24,920 --> 00:16:29,200 Speaker 2: Did he stakes exhibit triple X super disgusting? 298 00:16:29,560 --> 00:16:30,280 Speaker 3: The jury is. 299 00:16:30,280 --> 00:16:33,160 Speaker 1: Watching you button naked or maybe he had a burke 300 00:16:33,280 --> 00:16:36,480 Speaker 1: on the freak cough Hotel nine King Night. 301 00:16:36,680 --> 00:16:38,960 Speaker 3: Most of us call it sex trafficking caught on video. 302 00:16:39,120 --> 00:16:43,160 Speaker 1: So Lauren Colin the defense at the beginning, said their 303 00:16:43,200 --> 00:16:47,280 Speaker 1: case would last weeks a month, and now they just 304 00:16:47,400 --> 00:16:49,160 Speaker 1: drop a bomb in the courtroom, say. 305 00:16:49,240 --> 00:16:51,320 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, it's really only got to be three. 306 00:16:51,160 --> 00:16:55,920 Speaker 1: Or four days what do you anticipate the defense has 307 00:16:56,000 --> 00:16:57,480 Speaker 1: in store for the jury. 308 00:16:57,240 --> 00:17:00,720 Speaker 6: Nancy, I feel like what we're gonna see is people 309 00:17:00,920 --> 00:17:03,880 Speaker 6: from his different entities, different companies who are going to 310 00:17:03,960 --> 00:17:06,160 Speaker 6: get on the stand and really try. 311 00:17:05,960 --> 00:17:07,400 Speaker 5: To legitimize everything. 312 00:17:07,560 --> 00:17:10,480 Speaker 6: I also feel like you may have a handful of 313 00:17:10,960 --> 00:17:15,359 Speaker 6: character witnesses as well. Perhaps they'll be an expert to 314 00:17:15,520 --> 00:17:18,440 Speaker 6: combat doctor don Hughes and her testimony. 315 00:17:18,720 --> 00:17:20,000 Speaker 5: That's what I'm thinking so far. 316 00:17:20,240 --> 00:17:23,520 Speaker 1: The problem with character witnesses is Lauren Colin, and You're right, 317 00:17:23,640 --> 00:17:28,159 Speaker 1: he needs a character redo. Once the defense brings on 318 00:17:28,680 --> 00:17:33,720 Speaker 1: good character, the state can then bring on bad character, 319 00:17:34,240 --> 00:17:38,040 Speaker 1: which typically is not allowed in a criminal case because 320 00:17:38,119 --> 00:17:40,480 Speaker 1: the claim by the defense is the defendant will be 321 00:17:40,520 --> 00:17:44,080 Speaker 1: tried on their bad reputation, and therefore the state is 322 00:17:44,119 --> 00:17:47,359 Speaker 1: not allowed to bring that in on itself. 323 00:17:47,400 --> 00:17:49,480 Speaker 3: Think of a vampire, Lauren Conlin. 324 00:17:49,840 --> 00:17:52,560 Speaker 1: You have to invite it across the threshold before it 325 00:17:52,680 --> 00:17:56,960 Speaker 1: sucks your blood and you die. Same thing with bad 326 00:17:57,080 --> 00:18:00,520 Speaker 1: character evidence. You can't just bring it on because you 327 00:18:00,600 --> 00:18:03,560 Speaker 1: know the defend has been convicted before. You have to 328 00:18:03,640 --> 00:18:06,800 Speaker 1: either use it as a similar transaction to prove your 329 00:18:06,840 --> 00:18:10,879 Speaker 1: case in chief, or wait, lie and wait for the 330 00:18:10,880 --> 00:18:14,920 Speaker 1: defense to say one word about good character, and by 331 00:18:14,960 --> 00:18:19,360 Speaker 1: doing that they open the door and the state can 332 00:18:19,400 --> 00:18:25,240 Speaker 1: step over the threshold and bomb the defense with bad character. 333 00:18:25,440 --> 00:18:31,119 Speaker 1: I A convictions, So are they willing to risk that? 334 00:18:31,600 --> 00:18:35,199 Speaker 1: But you did say you think that we have in 335 00:18:35,280 --> 00:18:39,240 Speaker 1: store witnesses to legitimize, legitimize what. 336 00:18:39,560 --> 00:18:43,600 Speaker 6: His businesses, Colm's enterprise, bad Boy records, everything that we've 337 00:18:43,640 --> 00:18:46,679 Speaker 6: seen so far, I do feel like we're going to 338 00:18:46,760 --> 00:18:50,159 Speaker 6: see people that worked for him who had no idea 339 00:18:50,600 --> 00:18:53,320 Speaker 6: what was going on behind closed doors, what was going 340 00:18:53,320 --> 00:18:55,680 Speaker 6: on at night. And we actually got a taste of 341 00:18:55,680 --> 00:18:58,280 Speaker 6: this from the CFO that the government brought on. 342 00:18:58,600 --> 00:19:01,679 Speaker 5: This was a man that went to her extremely. 343 00:19:01,160 --> 00:19:03,680 Speaker 6: Polished, and they kind of used him to go through 344 00:19:04,000 --> 00:19:07,040 Speaker 6: some of the money that was transferred from Cassy's parent 345 00:19:07,640 --> 00:19:10,920 Speaker 6: to Bad Boy, and this CFO kind of said, yeah, 346 00:19:10,960 --> 00:19:12,680 Speaker 6: that's what it says, but I had. 347 00:19:12,560 --> 00:19:14,280 Speaker 5: No idea what was going on. 348 00:19:14,560 --> 00:19:16,720 Speaker 6: So I actually feel like there's going to be more 349 00:19:16,720 --> 00:19:20,960 Speaker 6: people like him, just not testifying about anything to farious, 350 00:19:21,040 --> 00:19:25,600 Speaker 6: just saying that yeah, everything was legitimate. This LLC, this person, 351 00:19:25,880 --> 00:19:28,040 Speaker 6: and this company. They had a huge share in this. 352 00:19:28,160 --> 00:19:31,080 Speaker 6: So mister Holmes didn't have all the control here. He 353 00:19:31,200 --> 00:19:35,800 Speaker 6: was actually just a fraction of having control over this company. 354 00:19:36,320 --> 00:19:38,680 Speaker 6: I mean, listen, this is this is. 355 00:19:38,600 --> 00:19:39,240 Speaker 3: What we wear. 356 00:19:40,320 --> 00:19:42,680 Speaker 1: Why don't you just hand over the irs returns for 357 00:19:42,720 --> 00:19:44,399 Speaker 1: the last ten years that be done with it. What 358 00:19:44,520 --> 00:19:48,440 Speaker 1: does that have to do with forced orgies and sex 359 00:19:48,480 --> 00:19:50,560 Speaker 1: trafficking business records? 360 00:19:50,600 --> 00:19:52,359 Speaker 3: My rear ran, what are you talking about? Woman? 361 00:19:52,520 --> 00:19:55,720 Speaker 6: I totally understand what you're saying, but this is this 362 00:19:55,840 --> 00:19:58,760 Speaker 6: is what I feel like is going to happen. Based 363 00:19:58,840 --> 00:20:03,199 Speaker 6: on the testimony of this one CFO, I felt like 364 00:20:03,280 --> 00:20:06,320 Speaker 6: that actually went well for the defense, and so they're 365 00:20:06,400 --> 00:20:08,800 Speaker 6: running from there saying, Okay, we need to get more 366 00:20:08,840 --> 00:20:11,760 Speaker 6: guys like this who will sit here and say Diddy 367 00:20:11,960 --> 00:20:14,840 Speaker 6: did not have one hundred percent control of all of 368 00:20:14,880 --> 00:20:18,080 Speaker 6: these different entities. He only had a fraction of control. 369 00:20:18,400 --> 00:20:21,600 Speaker 6: So how how could he be responsible of paying all 370 00:20:21,640 --> 00:20:24,680 Speaker 6: this money illegally, you know, through this company? 371 00:20:24,760 --> 00:20:28,120 Speaker 1: When the jury cares about who had control of all 372 00:20:28,119 --> 00:20:32,000 Speaker 1: the entities, I think they're concerned about who had control 373 00:20:32,359 --> 00:20:35,080 Speaker 1: of what's in his pants and what is in the 374 00:20:35,119 --> 00:20:37,960 Speaker 1: pants of the sex workers and what they were doing 375 00:20:38,800 --> 00:20:43,640 Speaker 1: against the will of the victims. 376 00:20:47,080 --> 00:20:48,760 Speaker 3: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. 377 00:20:52,040 --> 00:20:56,320 Speaker 1: Okay, hold on Lauren Common, how long do you believe now, 378 00:20:56,359 --> 00:21:00,760 Speaker 1: remember they're lying, how long you're gonna have to throw 379 00:21:00,800 --> 00:21:03,560 Speaker 1: out anything they said? How long do you believe the 380 00:21:03,600 --> 00:21:05,520 Speaker 1: defense case is going to go? How many days? 381 00:21:05,800 --> 00:21:07,880 Speaker 5: My best guess would be about a week and a half. 382 00:21:08,119 --> 00:21:11,560 Speaker 1: Oh, so you're giving them seven eight days of testimony? 383 00:21:11,680 --> 00:21:14,960 Speaker 1: I am only because of the person, but I guarantee 384 00:21:14,960 --> 00:21:15,760 Speaker 1: you it'll be less than that. 385 00:21:15,880 --> 00:21:18,400 Speaker 6: I only say this because things seem to come up 386 00:21:18,480 --> 00:21:22,080 Speaker 6: every day and then we get behind because these things 387 00:21:22,119 --> 00:21:26,639 Speaker 6: come up again, jurror issues issues with evidence, the defense 388 00:21:26,680 --> 00:21:28,840 Speaker 6: wanting a mistrial. I mean, things come up and we 389 00:21:28,920 --> 00:21:31,439 Speaker 6: get behind, and we end up losing hours in the 390 00:21:31,440 --> 00:21:33,919 Speaker 6: courtroom at times. So that's why I'm giving them a 391 00:21:33,960 --> 00:21:35,400 Speaker 6: little bit of a grace period here. 392 00:21:35,880 --> 00:21:39,880 Speaker 1: Okay, you know what, You're right, Lauren Comlin, You're absolutely right. Okay, 393 00:21:39,920 --> 00:21:42,640 Speaker 1: So you're saying seven to eight days due to delays 394 00:21:42,680 --> 00:21:45,399 Speaker 1: in the courtroom, not because they're putting up eight days 395 00:21:45,440 --> 00:21:50,240 Speaker 1: worth of testimony and evidence. Next big question will comes 396 00:21:50,520 --> 00:21:54,199 Speaker 1: override his lawyers because you know, he really does know 397 00:21:54,359 --> 00:21:58,679 Speaker 1: everything in his mind and take the stand? 398 00:21:59,040 --> 00:22:01,280 Speaker 3: Will come take the stand? 399 00:22:01,520 --> 00:22:06,200 Speaker 6: Lauren Comlin, No way, Nancy, And I say this because 400 00:22:06,400 --> 00:22:12,000 Speaker 6: specifically about the kid Putty incident, the alleged arson and 401 00:22:12,040 --> 00:22:17,160 Speaker 6: the alleged trespassing. I feel like generally and intellectually we 402 00:22:17,200 --> 00:22:20,560 Speaker 6: all know that he was responsible. However, on paper and 403 00:22:20,680 --> 00:22:23,720 Speaker 6: legally they can't exactly prove it, so there is some 404 00:22:23,880 --> 00:22:26,080 Speaker 6: doubt there. I feel like if he was to get 405 00:22:26,160 --> 00:22:29,159 Speaker 6: up up on the stand, they could directly ask him 406 00:22:29,200 --> 00:22:31,600 Speaker 6: about this and he can't perjure himself. 407 00:22:31,680 --> 00:22:34,240 Speaker 1: And that was a single best move that my old 408 00:22:34,280 --> 00:22:36,840 Speaker 1: co inch or god rest is soul Johnny Cochrane ever made, 409 00:22:37,160 --> 00:22:40,840 Speaker 1: was somehow beating down OJ Simpson. So he didn't take 410 00:22:40,840 --> 00:22:43,320 Speaker 1: the stand, but oh it was quite the production. When 411 00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:50,040 Speaker 1: the defense rested, Simpson was like, huh, I want to 412 00:22:50,040 --> 00:22:51,679 Speaker 1: take the stand, but they're not letting me. 413 00:22:52,119 --> 00:22:53,520 Speaker 3: Those a holes aren't letting me. 414 00:22:55,560 --> 00:22:57,680 Speaker 1: So I'm sure cons will put on a big show 415 00:22:57,800 --> 00:23:00,800 Speaker 1: in the courtroom and act like I really want to 416 00:23:01,480 --> 00:23:05,440 Speaker 1: do I do, but she won't let me. As opposed 417 00:23:05,520 --> 00:23:09,720 Speaker 1: to idiot Alex Murdogg, his lawyers told him not to 418 00:23:09,760 --> 00:23:12,639 Speaker 1: take the stand and he took it and got convicted. 419 00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:19,159 Speaker 1: So I am willing to bet that Brian Steel and 420 00:23:19,280 --> 00:23:23,239 Speaker 1: Tanna Gerrigos, both of them great lawyers, will sit on 421 00:23:23,359 --> 00:23:27,280 Speaker 1: Combs and keep him physically from taking the stand. 422 00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:30,400 Speaker 3: He did a voodoo ritual. 423 00:23:30,119 --> 00:23:33,119 Speaker 2: And he's probably doing blood ritual sacrifices on the rats 424 00:23:33,119 --> 00:23:34,520 Speaker 2: and brooches in his jail cell. 425 00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:36,560 Speaker 3: You started this, Destales, not me did. 426 00:23:36,560 --> 00:23:38,560 Speaker 4: He pulled the bird from the cage and threw it 427 00:23:38,600 --> 00:23:39,120 Speaker 4: into the air. 428 00:23:39,320 --> 00:23:39,880 Speaker 3: It was dead. 429 00:23:40,080 --> 00:23:43,000 Speaker 1: The poor bird sacrificed its life in exchange for not guilty. 430 00:23:43,119 --> 00:23:45,360 Speaker 1: It's going to take more than voodoo rituals to pull 431 00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:46,200 Speaker 1: this one out of his. 432 00:23:46,359 --> 00:23:46,920 Speaker 3: You know where. 433 00:23:47,240 --> 00:23:51,440 Speaker 1: It has literally been weeks in the Monahan Federal Courthouse 434 00:23:51,480 --> 00:23:54,800 Speaker 1: for the state to put up its case. What does 435 00:23:54,800 --> 00:23:58,080 Speaker 1: the defense hold? Well, for one thing, what about the witnesses? 436 00:23:58,119 --> 00:24:04,280 Speaker 1: The state didn't specifically Sean Combe's cheap of step. I 437 00:24:04,280 --> 00:24:07,680 Speaker 1: guess you stole that phrase from the White House. I'm 438 00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:11,320 Speaker 1: talking about Christina Korum. 439 00:24:12,119 --> 00:24:15,840 Speaker 11: Listen, Sean Diddy, Combs's chief of staph Christina Korum, has 440 00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:18,800 Speaker 11: been accused of numerous atrocities, from forcing employees to carry 441 00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:22,679 Speaker 11: drugs or recruit women for freak offs to standing witness 442 00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:25,840 Speaker 11: to a gang rape after trying to place an iud 443 00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:29,360 Speaker 11: in the victim. Quorum, whom Combs has referred to as 444 00:24:29,400 --> 00:24:33,040 Speaker 11: his sole sister and right hand worked for the mogul 445 00:24:33,080 --> 00:24:35,680 Speaker 11: for more than a decade after previous roles at Paramount 446 00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:39,520 Speaker 11: Pictures in Burberry. The two were previously close, with Comb's 447 00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:42,760 Speaker 11: posting a long birthday message for Quorum on Instagram. 448 00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:47,520 Speaker 1: Wow, Okay, that was a bombshell. Now let me just stay. 449 00:24:47,640 --> 00:24:54,600 Speaker 1: Christina Korum denies everything, But isn't it true? Sidney Sumner? 450 00:24:54,840 --> 00:25:01,120 Speaker 1: The state made a comment in open court where they 451 00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:06,280 Speaker 1: referred to Christada Korum as an unnamed co defendant. 452 00:25:06,520 --> 00:25:08,960 Speaker 3: Didn't that happen? Is that how they referred. 453 00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:12,639 Speaker 4: To her an unnamed co conspirator? Nancy? And that was 454 00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:15,439 Speaker 4: the comment that led everyone to believe that we would 455 00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:19,159 Speaker 4: see Korum testifying for the government, But it seems like 456 00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:23,520 Speaker 4: she won't take the stand to prove their case. Now 457 00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:28,320 Speaker 4: most interesting to me, Nancy. In Special Agent Penland's testimony, 458 00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:32,720 Speaker 4: going over all of these text messages records, it is 459 00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:38,360 Speaker 4: finally Ben Pruven that Christina Korum knew that escorts were 460 00:25:38,359 --> 00:25:42,639 Speaker 4: being invited to these hotel Knights. We've had previous assistants 461 00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:46,240 Speaker 4: testify that Koram just told them the hotel Knights were 462 00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:49,639 Speaker 4: Cone's private time with women. But we now know that 463 00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:53,359 Speaker 4: she was fully aware that there were escorts going to 464 00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:59,040 Speaker 4: those rooms, and Cone's assistants and bodyguards were providing cash 465 00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:01,000 Speaker 4: for him to pay for those escorts. 466 00:26:01,040 --> 00:26:06,240 Speaker 1: So those are the texts that Homeland Security Special Agent 467 00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:11,680 Speaker 1: Penland rounded up and corralled and presented to the jury 468 00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:18,120 Speaker 1: right near the end of the state's case. And that's 469 00:26:18,119 --> 00:26:23,119 Speaker 1: what I'm talking about. For instance, when you put a 470 00:26:23,119 --> 00:26:25,679 Speaker 1: case to the grand jury, right, hearsay is allowed in 471 00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:29,560 Speaker 1: the grand jury, and the most effective way to do 472 00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:33,160 Speaker 1: that and direct is to put on your lead investigator. 473 00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:37,600 Speaker 1: Since hearsay is allowed, the lead investigator can testify to 474 00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:39,919 Speaker 1: what this one said, what that one said, all of 475 00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:43,440 Speaker 1: the search warrants, all of the wire types, all the evidence, 476 00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:48,560 Speaker 1: and one fell swoop of a witness. Okay, that's what 477 00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:55,240 Speaker 1: Penland did. Penland brought it all together with texts, emails, 478 00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:59,439 Speaker 1: documents that Sidney Summer's talking about to show to the 479 00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:04,600 Speaker 1: jury what was really happening. That may be one of 480 00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:09,760 Speaker 1: the reasons, out to Philip Dubay, that they didn't bring. 481 00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:14,040 Speaker 3: On Korum, Christina Korum, the chief of staff, the soul sister, 482 00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:18,040 Speaker 3: because why allow her on. 483 00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:21,080 Speaker 1: The stand when the defense would then have her on 484 00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:25,720 Speaker 1: cross and that would be basically seawan Comb's testifying, and 485 00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:27,880 Speaker 1: every once in a while she'd go, yes, that's right, 486 00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:35,199 Speaker 1: that's right, that's right to agnifilo or steal or tenny garages. 487 00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:42,200 Speaker 1: So why risk that cross examination where korm can explain 488 00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:45,080 Speaker 1: everything away as best as she can, When you can 489 00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:50,520 Speaker 1: get the same damning evidence in through her texts and emails, 490 00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:52,280 Speaker 1: they can't be cross examined. 491 00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:56,520 Speaker 7: It it was brilliantly charged. When you look at the indictment, 492 00:27:56,600 --> 00:27:59,440 Speaker 7: you have all these people who are named as unindicted 493 00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:04,119 Speaker 7: co conspirators. So what that lands the prosecution without running 494 00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:07,080 Speaker 7: a foul of that Crawford hearsay rule. The US Supreme 495 00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:11,360 Speaker 7: Court case is that statements made by co conspirators can 496 00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:15,719 Speaker 7: come into evidence without violating due process and the federal 497 00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:20,280 Speaker 7: rules against hearsay. So yes, they can come in for 498 00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:23,639 Speaker 7: their truth. Frankly, not even as an exception. And if 499 00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:27,920 Speaker 7: the defense feels that clarification for further explanation is needed, 500 00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:28,800 Speaker 7: they can put her. 501 00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:29,840 Speaker 3: On Sidney Center. 502 00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:37,640 Speaker 1: The eye popping number, the painful number, forty six thousand, 503 00:28:38,120 --> 00:28:43,600 Speaker 1: seven hundred eighty six, forty six thousand, seven hundred eighty 504 00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:46,760 Speaker 1: six dollars for. 505 00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:51,959 Speaker 4: What damage to the Penthouse suite at the air Continental 506 00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:58,280 Speaker 4: Hotels on Times Square. That number is ridiculous, Nancy. That's 507 00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:01,880 Speaker 4: a down payment for a whole for some people, and 508 00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:07,160 Speaker 4: fifty k on damages to a penthouse for one stay. 509 00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:12,240 Speaker 4: And that's back in twenty twelve, So extremely concerning. What 510 00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:14,840 Speaker 4: could he have possibly done to this room? We know 511 00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:20,320 Speaker 4: baby oil was used, ube handle wax was usually everywhere, 512 00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:23,680 Speaker 4: but I just can't even stab them. How you possibly 513 00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:32,400 Speaker 4: create that much damage in a hotel room? 514 00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:39,600 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, Doctor Beveny Marshall, help me 515 00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:46,920 Speaker 1: quickly a fifty thousand dollars hotel damage bill to the 516 00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:52,200 Speaker 1: Penthouse suite in New York City. We heard within the 517 00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:55,800 Speaker 1: last seventy two hours that there was so much baby oil. 518 00:29:55,800 --> 00:30:01,920 Speaker 3: There were actually two slip and falls and one. 519 00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:03,959 Speaker 1: Day with the baby oil that when they saw combs 520 00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:07,880 Speaker 1: coming in they check in ladies, quick, quick, quick. 521 00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:10,160 Speaker 3: There's add on one thousand dollars up front for the 522 00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:11,920 Speaker 3: room damage. 523 00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:15,680 Speaker 1: They would have to put out air freshener's glade. 524 00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:22,120 Speaker 3: Is not going to fix that, okay, uh uh. 525 00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:25,120 Speaker 1: You can put out candles all over, and they did 526 00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:29,240 Speaker 1: put candles all over that penthouse, sweet, and it is 527 00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:32,000 Speaker 1: not going to get rid of the stink that's going 528 00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:34,880 Speaker 1: to go down during those free costs. So they would 529 00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:37,360 Speaker 1: see Combs is on too razia like quick, quick, quick, 530 00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:41,560 Speaker 1: add one thousand dollars up front, one thousand dollars. This 531 00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:45,760 Speaker 1: is nearly forty seven thousand dollars. That's not even the 532 00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:49,200 Speaker 1: rental for the room. That's the damages after free. 533 00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:49,640 Speaker 3: Calls and after. 534 00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:52,320 Speaker 8: It'd be interesting to see what their budget the hotel's 535 00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:56,640 Speaker 8: budget is for decorating per room. So let's say it's 536 00:30:56,680 --> 00:31:00,280 Speaker 8: fifty thousand dollars for the penthouse. They are re they're 537 00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:06,520 Speaker 8: really redoing, reconstructing, and redecorating that room. I would imagine 538 00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:09,760 Speaker 8: they're pulling up the carpet, they're repainting, they're buying new furniture. 539 00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:12,760 Speaker 8: You can't fix something like this, Nancy. And also it 540 00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:15,720 Speaker 8: makes me think about not just the lube, but the 541 00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:19,960 Speaker 8: instruments of violence that might have been in that room. 542 00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:28,920 Speaker 3: Whips, maybe knives maybe don't make me laugh now, some 543 00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:31,040 Speaker 3: things never go away. 544 00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:36,080 Speaker 1: They had to pay five hundred dollars for the curtains alone. 545 00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:41,120 Speaker 3: What was done to one curtain? Five? 546 00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:45,240 Speaker 8: Maybe someone was swinging from it. What about the fine art, 547 00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:48,200 Speaker 8: and what about and then what. 548 00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:49,920 Speaker 3: About the kitchens? And go away? 549 00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:54,040 Speaker 1: Or do you need one of these ultrasonic germ cleaners? 550 00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:57,320 Speaker 1: And then people will come into that Penthouse the next 551 00:31:57,400 --> 00:32:01,360 Speaker 1: day or whenever it got cleaned again and just sit 552 00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:04,720 Speaker 1: down on those questions having no idea. They were sitting 553 00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:06,000 Speaker 1: on top of freakoff terms. 554 00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:07,800 Speaker 8: Well, now, Nancy is going to be like selling a 555 00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:10,440 Speaker 8: house where somebody died. You just can't do it. You know, 556 00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:13,280 Speaker 8: if people know that somebody's been sick and died in 557 00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:15,960 Speaker 8: a house, they don't want to purchase it. Now everybody 558 00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:20,280 Speaker 8: knows about p Diddy's hotel nights and freakofs and where 559 00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:24,000 Speaker 8: they happened. Do you think those discerning clients are going 560 00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:26,760 Speaker 8: to want to book a room at the Penthouse at 561 00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:29,960 Speaker 8: this hotel at the Innerconto Continental in New York City? 562 00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:35,200 Speaker 3: Probably not Mary freak Off Christmas. They're viewing battery. It's 563 00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:36,720 Speaker 3: like eating a dirt sandwich. 564 00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:38,760 Speaker 8: What is being done to these women. 565 00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:39,560 Speaker 3: Tours coming to mind? 566 00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:43,280 Speaker 8: Freaky pers Are they being sodomized? Are they being chained 567 00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:45,360 Speaker 8: in compromising positions? 568 00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:46,680 Speaker 3: Are they so out of it. 569 00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:47,880 Speaker 8: They don't know what's happening them? 570 00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:49,000 Speaker 3: Are they being whipped? 571 00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:52,360 Speaker 1: I just want to wash my mouth out with the strine, 572 00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:58,360 Speaker 1: with lysol, with rubbing alcohol. To doctor Bethany Marshall joining us, renow, 573 00:32:58,360 --> 00:32:59,600 Speaker 1: it's like the analysts out of. 574 00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:00,640 Speaker 3: The LA jurisdiction. 575 00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:09,000 Speaker 1: Speaking of Christina Korum okay, I guarantee I know one 576 00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:12,160 Speaker 1: person that would hold her just as liable although she 577 00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:15,600 Speaker 1: declares her innocence as Seawn Combs. That's going to be 578 00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:20,920 Speaker 1: Lenn Shaw, and I want Lynn Shaw to hear this. 579 00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:25,640 Speaker 12: Mat will will discuss sexual topics with the victim and 580 00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:28,880 Speaker 12: undressed in front of the victim. 581 00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:31,680 Speaker 3: Will be pressent pro cess ask involving the minor. 582 00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:36,800 Speaker 12: Latives in Evertha Maxwell's the presence as a destilled woman 583 00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:42,440 Speaker 12: helpful the videos at ease. As Maxwell and Editing intended, 584 00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:48,600 Speaker 12: this moning process left the minor beata's susceptible to sexual abuse. 585 00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:54,560 Speaker 10: That is just included sexualized. 586 00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:59,480 Speaker 3: Messages during the minor dati, whether fully or partially anew 587 00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:01,720 Speaker 3: the social. 588 00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:05,960 Speaker 12: Wide nostalgists developed into sexual encounters for Mascal and some 589 00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:08,160 Speaker 12: distances were as. 590 00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:09,480 Speaker 3: In a participation. 591 00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:14,200 Speaker 1: That's Audrey Strauss, that is, the US attorney for the 592 00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:18,400 Speaker 1: Southern District of New York. And she is talking about 593 00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:23,759 Speaker 1: Elaine Maxwell, who was the madam, the pimp for a 594 00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:31,760 Speaker 1: now deceased Jeffrey Epstein. Now the comparison between Christina Korum 595 00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:37,040 Speaker 1: and Sean Combs has been made, comparing too Jelaine Maxwell 596 00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:38,520 Speaker 1: to Epstein. 597 00:34:39,160 --> 00:34:40,440 Speaker 3: And the girls. 598 00:34:40,719 --> 00:34:46,400 Speaker 1: The victims that Audrey Strauss was describing were girls literally 599 00:34:47,080 --> 00:34:48,840 Speaker 1: school girls. 600 00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:52,600 Speaker 3: What effect did that have on the victims? 601 00:34:54,320 --> 00:35:02,080 Speaker 1: Well, three of them have committed suicide, most recently Virginia Jeffery. 602 00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:11,080 Speaker 1: Three after living through Julane Maxwell and Jeffrey Epstein and 603 00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:15,640 Speaker 1: the sex abuse as young girls, they committed suicide. Three 604 00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:22,600 Speaker 1: three people committed suicide, and then Epstein reportedly killed himself. Now, 605 00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:28,400 Speaker 1: Christina Korm again, there you go. What are they smiling about? 606 00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:34,240 Speaker 3: Nothing good? That's just like the cripkeeper smiling at you. Yeah, 607 00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:38,680 Speaker 3: that can't mean anything good. You know, woman, button up 608 00:35:38,719 --> 00:35:41,160 Speaker 3: your shirt. She's behind bars right now. 609 00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:47,359 Speaker 1: Christina Korm did not take the stand, and you gotta 610 00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:52,840 Speaker 1: wonder why so. Lynn Shaw joining me, executive director and 611 00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:57,200 Speaker 1: founder of Lynn's Warriors, committed to ending sex abuse and 612 00:35:57,239 --> 00:36:01,719 Speaker 1: sex trafficking of women and girls. You know, even the 613 00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:06,760 Speaker 1: devil has an assistant that would be bills. Abub Corum 614 00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:10,920 Speaker 1: has not been indicted, and she declares her innocence. 615 00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:13,040 Speaker 3: What do you make of it? 616 00:36:13,120 --> 00:36:15,640 Speaker 1: Because based on what we heard right at the tail 617 00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:18,480 Speaker 1: and of the States case, she knew about all those 618 00:36:18,520 --> 00:36:19,080 Speaker 1: sex workers. 619 00:36:19,120 --> 00:36:20,600 Speaker 3: She knew exactly what was going on. 620 00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:22,319 Speaker 9: What do I make of it? We don't have enough 621 00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:24,399 Speaker 9: time for me to tell you what we make of it. 622 00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:27,360 Speaker 9: First of all, we find with our work at the Warriors, 623 00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:30,880 Speaker 9: there is always a woman involved as the right hand, 624 00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:34,400 Speaker 9: maybe sometimes not visible, she is always there. She's always 625 00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:38,400 Speaker 9: acting as that facilitator, as that big sister, especially with 626 00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:41,400 Speaker 9: these very vulnerable girls and women, or that mother figure 627 00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:45,400 Speaker 9: that they never had. And they know everything, And frankly, 628 00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:48,680 Speaker 9: we never had any closure in my opinion, with Jeffrey 629 00:36:48,680 --> 00:36:51,560 Speaker 9: Epstein and Gallaine Maxwell. They tell us she's in prison. 630 00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:53,759 Speaker 9: Who really knows where she is because I haven't seen 631 00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:57,239 Speaker 9: any videos of her walking around the prison, you know, backyard, 632 00:36:57,280 --> 00:36:59,240 Speaker 9: or playing basketball or any of that stuff. 633 00:36:59,360 --> 00:36:59,960 Speaker 3: One never knows. 634 00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:02,920 Speaker 9: We also know at the Warriors, and we have worked 635 00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:06,640 Speaker 9: with a lot of Epstein victims, they are in a 636 00:37:06,680 --> 00:37:10,360 Speaker 9: severe mental state. A lot of them now have reached 637 00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:12,920 Speaker 9: out to me hearing about this dirty Ditty case. They 638 00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:16,480 Speaker 9: are re traumatized, revictimized. They feel like is them, even 639 00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:19,080 Speaker 9: though they may have had nothing to do with Diddy. 640 00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:21,480 Speaker 9: So what I say about Christina Korum and I'm sitting 641 00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:23,560 Speaker 9: here listening to all of this, you know what, they 642 00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:26,759 Speaker 9: can't possibly let her get on the stand because she 643 00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:29,880 Speaker 9: will just She's already proven to us she knew about 644 00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:32,080 Speaker 9: all of this, so she'll have to answer questions. And 645 00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:34,719 Speaker 9: I'm no lawyer, but they can't let her anywhere near that. 646 00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:37,080 Speaker 9: But you know what, in some ways shape or form 647 00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:38,560 Speaker 9: this woman. I don't know how she puts her head 648 00:37:38,600 --> 00:37:40,640 Speaker 9: on the pillow at night. She put out a paragraph 649 00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:43,160 Speaker 9: about a month or so ago. She knew nothing. You 650 00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:45,920 Speaker 9: know what that is, BS, She knew nothing. We have 651 00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:48,799 Speaker 9: all these text messages. Women went to her for help. 652 00:37:49,120 --> 00:37:51,400 Speaker 9: She did not do anything to help them. That's the 653 00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:54,120 Speaker 9: Dirty Diddy way, the King Knights and all that. So 654 00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:56,000 Speaker 9: we have to do something with her afterwards. 655 00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:56,839 Speaker 3: I don't know what can be done. 656 00:37:56,840 --> 00:37:59,800 Speaker 9: Again, I'm not a lawyer. She knows everything, she knew everything, 657 00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:03,359 Speaker 9: and she did nothing. Shame on her not to help 658 00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:03,880 Speaker 9: these women. 659 00:38:04,040 --> 00:38:04,560 Speaker 3: Earlier. 660 00:38:05,239 --> 00:38:07,760 Speaker 1: Lauren Collin, who's joining us right now from the courthouse 661 00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:12,920 Speaker 1: mentioned the possibility of character witnesses being brought in to 662 00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:18,040 Speaker 1: help Sean Comes. Well, our friend Jimmy Kimmel has something 663 00:38:18,040 --> 00:38:18,680 Speaker 1: to say about that. 664 00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:21,160 Speaker 13: Kanye showed up to support his friend, did he, At 665 00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:23,799 Speaker 13: which point the prosecution said, we rest our. 666 00:38:23,719 --> 00:38:28,840 Speaker 3: Case back from our friends at Jimmy Kimmel. 667 00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:34,160 Speaker 1: Okay, bringing on character witnesses will absolutely missfire. While Christina 668 00:38:34,239 --> 00:38:40,600 Speaker 1: Korum didn't show up for court, Kanye did. I'm sure 669 00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:44,480 Speaker 1: the defense dodged a bullet and they knew it. 670 00:38:44,520 --> 00:38:46,279 Speaker 3: When Kanye was forced to go in. 671 00:38:46,239 --> 00:38:51,600 Speaker 1: The overflow room, Philip Debay, can you imagine Kanye with 672 00:38:51,719 --> 00:38:55,600 Speaker 1: that nine hundred thousand dollars mouthful of titanium teeth, drooling 673 00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:59,600 Speaker 1: and dragging along Beyoncusten sorry, his naked wife with him 674 00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:02,960 Speaker 1: into the court room and plopping down right behind Sean 675 00:39:03,080 --> 00:39:09,160 Speaker 1: Comes with character witnesses like that, Yeah, case close debate. 676 00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:12,000 Speaker 7: Well, he's not testifying. He just went there to lend 677 00:39:12,040 --> 00:39:14,239 Speaker 7: some support. And I got to tell you, out of 678 00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:16,799 Speaker 7: all the trials I've done, Nancy, it is really rare 679 00:39:17,120 --> 00:39:21,120 Speaker 7: for people to come to court and really stand in support. 680 00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:25,000 Speaker 7: They don't even want to be associated with the charges. 681 00:39:25,239 --> 00:39:27,560 Speaker 7: With the defendants who are on trial, and they just 682 00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:30,840 Speaker 7: kind of stay remote from all the proceeding. So I 683 00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:33,200 Speaker 7: actually give him a lot of credit for making an 684 00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:37,520 Speaker 7: appearance and at least sort of signaling to Diddy that 685 00:39:37,600 --> 00:39:40,719 Speaker 7: he's standing by his side. And hopefully they can be 686 00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:45,520 Speaker 7: friends if and when he has ever acquitted or maybe. 687 00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:46,880 Speaker 3: Even you even know what you're talking about. 688 00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:47,839 Speaker 2: At the jail. 689 00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:50,360 Speaker 3: Friends, what are they going to do? Braide each other's hair. 690 00:39:50,239 --> 00:39:53,160 Speaker 1: And skip down the skip down the lane holding hands. 691 00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:54,920 Speaker 5: Friends. 692 00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:56,600 Speaker 3: Okay, maybe they could be friends. 693 00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:02,400 Speaker 1: Okay, I got another thing throw at you, another curve ball, 694 00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:05,880 Speaker 1: and this is going at about a ninety eight mph baller. 695 00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:06,520 Speaker 3: Here we go. 696 00:40:07,160 --> 00:40:12,360 Speaker 1: While we did see Korum and thankfully for the defense, 697 00:40:12,680 --> 00:40:15,919 Speaker 1: Kanye didn't PLoP down in the actual courtroom in front 698 00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:20,880 Speaker 1: of the jurors behind Combs. There have been fixtures in 699 00:40:21,120 --> 00:40:22,120 Speaker 1: the courtroom. 700 00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:26,239 Speaker 3: Combs has paraded his children. 701 00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:33,239 Speaker 1: In the courtroom during State's exhibit Triple X through all 702 00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:38,400 Speaker 1: the discussion of male sex workers for sex beatings, you 703 00:40:38,520 --> 00:40:42,600 Speaker 1: name it, and again our legal expert Jimmy Kimmel is 704 00:40:42,680 --> 00:40:43,160 Speaker 1: weighing in. 705 00:40:43,480 --> 00:40:46,279 Speaker 13: His mother, sister, and three sons were in the court 706 00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:50,000 Speaker 13: room listening to his ex talk about these orgies not 707 00:40:50,120 --> 00:40:52,080 Speaker 13: the ideal take your family to workday. 708 00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:55,400 Speaker 1: That and before was from our friends at Jimmy Kimmel 709 00:40:55,600 --> 00:41:02,520 Speaker 1: on ABC. I think he's right what happened, Sidney Sumner. 710 00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:06,320 Speaker 1: His children were in the courtroom on and off throughout 711 00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:09,000 Speaker 1: some of the worst state's evidence. 712 00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:13,160 Speaker 4: That's exactly right. Colm's daughters have been in the courtroom 713 00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:16,799 Speaker 4: much less frequently than his sons, but at least two 714 00:41:16,840 --> 00:41:19,839 Speaker 4: of his sons, his mother and his sister, have been 715 00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:21,080 Speaker 4: in the courtroom for. 716 00:41:21,120 --> 00:41:26,280 Speaker 14: All of the heenus evidence, including when Jane testified about 717 00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:31,879 Speaker 14: the sick NBA role place fantasy that Combs put her 718 00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:35,920 Speaker 14: through where he was Magic Johnson. So they have been 719 00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:40,319 Speaker 14: in for a lot, and I'm frankly surprised that they 720 00:41:40,360 --> 00:41:42,440 Speaker 14: haven't excused themselves more often. 721 00:41:42,680 --> 00:41:47,760 Speaker 1: We are waiting as justice unfolds. And now we remember 722 00:41:48,080 --> 00:41:53,560 Speaker 1: an American hero, Officer Crystal rivera Chicago PD just forty six, 723 00:41:54,200 --> 00:41:57,960 Speaker 1: gunned down in the line of duty, survived by daughter 724 00:41:58,680 --> 00:42:06,680 Speaker 1: BELLA American hero Crystal GROVERA Nancy Grace signing off good 725 00:42:06,719 --> 00:42:08,520 Speaker 1: bye friend.