1 00:00:00,840 --> 00:00:06,519 Speaker 1: And now Move the Sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks. 2 00:00:07,920 --> 00:00:10,200 Speaker 2: What's up, everybody? Welcome to move the sticks? DJ Buck 3 00:00:10,240 --> 00:00:11,479 Speaker 2: with you, Buck? What is going on? 4 00:00:11,520 --> 00:00:11,600 Speaker 3: Man? 5 00:00:11,600 --> 00:00:13,560 Speaker 2: It looks like you're in the fl here. 6 00:00:14,320 --> 00:00:14,680 Speaker 3: I am. 7 00:00:14,840 --> 00:00:18,640 Speaker 1: I'm down in Florida, down in Jacksonville. We have some 8 00:00:18,720 --> 00:00:21,400 Speaker 1: preseason TV meetings that we're going over. I spent a 9 00:00:21,440 --> 00:00:23,919 Speaker 1: couple of days watching the team. They got three OTA 10 00:00:24,040 --> 00:00:26,200 Speaker 1: practices while I'm down here, so I check the team out. 11 00:00:26,520 --> 00:00:28,160 Speaker 1: Get a chance to give you an update on what 12 00:00:28,200 --> 00:00:30,600 Speaker 1: Travis Hunter is doing as a two way player, because 13 00:00:30,600 --> 00:00:34,080 Speaker 1: we've never really seen that happened, so really excited about it. 14 00:00:34,159 --> 00:00:36,960 Speaker 1: More pointanly, I'm looking forward to seeing what Trevor Lawrence 15 00:00:37,360 --> 00:00:39,680 Speaker 1: is able to do because the new money on his 16 00:00:39,760 --> 00:00:42,640 Speaker 1: deal is about the kick in and with more money 17 00:00:42,800 --> 00:00:46,560 Speaker 1: comes higher expectations, and so we're looking for Trevor Lawrence 18 00:00:46,560 --> 00:00:47,640 Speaker 1: to make a huge jump this year. 19 00:00:48,080 --> 00:00:49,800 Speaker 2: Oh that's going to get us right into this. It's 20 00:00:49,840 --> 00:00:51,960 Speaker 2: time for the lead block, presented by Team Mobile for Business. 21 00:00:51,960 --> 00:00:54,040 Speaker 2: Football needs a network willing to go the extra yards. 22 00:00:54,120 --> 00:00:57,720 Speaker 2: So do you go further? With t Mobile for Business, Buck, 23 00:00:58,320 --> 00:01:00,120 Speaker 2: We're going to get into a book that I've I've 24 00:01:00,160 --> 00:01:03,000 Speaker 2: read about a different sport and we're going to bring 25 00:01:03,040 --> 00:01:05,520 Speaker 2: it to football. But before we do that, I do 26 00:01:05,600 --> 00:01:07,319 Speaker 2: want to start off, and you just tease it there 27 00:01:07,319 --> 00:01:09,720 Speaker 2: with the fact that you're in Jacksonville. Let's start. First 28 00:01:09,720 --> 00:01:11,160 Speaker 2: of all, I think people listen to us want to 29 00:01:11,200 --> 00:01:13,959 Speaker 2: know is what is the early plan. What is the 30 00:01:14,000 --> 00:01:16,039 Speaker 2: early thoughts there on what you see from Travis Hunter. 31 00:01:16,920 --> 00:01:20,040 Speaker 3: So the early plan right now is he's an offensive. 32 00:01:19,600 --> 00:01:22,800 Speaker 1: Player who also has defensive obligation, so he's a two 33 00:01:22,840 --> 00:01:23,520 Speaker 1: way player. 34 00:01:23,760 --> 00:01:26,120 Speaker 3: But I would say, like if he was playing on 35 00:01:26,120 --> 00:01:27,319 Speaker 3: my high school team, we. 36 00:01:27,319 --> 00:01:30,400 Speaker 1: Would do Travis Hunter like a one and a half player, 37 00:01:30,680 --> 00:01:33,880 Speaker 1: meaning he's going to start on offense and then he's 38 00:01:33,920 --> 00:01:36,920 Speaker 1: going to be a situational player on defense, which makes 39 00:01:36,959 --> 00:01:38,800 Speaker 1: a lot of sense anyone who is coached high school, 40 00:01:38,800 --> 00:01:40,760 Speaker 1: who's played high school, that's typically how you go. You 41 00:01:40,760 --> 00:01:42,640 Speaker 1: don't want to wear your guy out all the way. 42 00:01:42,680 --> 00:01:44,800 Speaker 1: And I think there's a smart way to be able 43 00:01:44,840 --> 00:01:46,800 Speaker 1: to get it done. And they have everything planned out. 44 00:01:47,240 --> 00:01:50,640 Speaker 1: So from a practice schedule, standpoint three days of offense, 45 00:01:50,680 --> 00:01:53,680 Speaker 1: one day at defense. Cover those situations that you need 46 00:01:53,720 --> 00:01:56,000 Speaker 1: him on defense. Make sure he's ready for that, whether 47 00:01:56,000 --> 00:01:58,640 Speaker 1: that's third down, red zone, got to have his situations, 48 00:01:59,040 --> 00:01:59,600 Speaker 1: have him ready. 49 00:01:59,640 --> 00:02:00,960 Speaker 3: I think it's It's also a lot. 50 00:02:00,760 --> 00:02:04,560 Speaker 1: Easier to do it when you're more of a zone 51 00:02:04,600 --> 00:02:07,280 Speaker 1: based team than a man based team, because when you 52 00:02:07,320 --> 00:02:10,480 Speaker 1: think about zone, it's not the running around that is 53 00:02:10,520 --> 00:02:14,080 Speaker 1: required in man demand when it's zone coverage is see ball, 54 00:02:14,120 --> 00:02:17,040 Speaker 1: get ball, hang in your area, those things. And I 55 00:02:17,080 --> 00:02:19,359 Speaker 1: also think that plays to his strengths. One of the 56 00:02:19,440 --> 00:02:21,320 Speaker 1: things that I believed in Travis Hunter when he was 57 00:02:21,320 --> 00:02:24,440 Speaker 1: coming out. I didn't necessarily see him as a lockdown corner. 58 00:02:24,560 --> 00:02:26,960 Speaker 1: I saw him as a playmaking corner, someone that was 59 00:02:27,040 --> 00:02:29,760 Speaker 1: going to potentially pick off a lot of passes because 60 00:02:29,760 --> 00:02:32,960 Speaker 1: his ball skills are exceptional, His awareness and instincts, all 61 00:02:33,000 --> 00:02:35,239 Speaker 1: of those things stood out to me. I think it'd 62 00:02:35,240 --> 00:02:37,600 Speaker 1: be a good fit. I'm excited to see how they 63 00:02:37,680 --> 00:02:39,880 Speaker 1: do it. But really, man, the kid is the one 64 00:02:39,880 --> 00:02:42,840 Speaker 1: that makes it work. He is all ball, all the time, 65 00:02:43,160 --> 00:02:46,160 Speaker 1: and that has been a bit of a change in 66 00:02:46,240 --> 00:02:49,480 Speaker 1: terms of like the energy that he brings. It's infectious 67 00:02:49,520 --> 00:02:52,040 Speaker 1: and it changes the dynamic in the locker room. 68 00:02:52,480 --> 00:02:55,120 Speaker 2: What is you know, what does that offense look like? 69 00:02:55,160 --> 00:02:58,440 Speaker 2: Give give me an idea of they go out there 70 00:02:58,639 --> 00:03:00,440 Speaker 2: in the spring here in this time, I'm heading it 71 00:03:00,480 --> 00:03:02,920 Speaker 2: in the summer. Give me that skill position group. What's that? 72 00:03:03,040 --> 00:03:03,920 Speaker 2: What's that look like? 73 00:03:04,960 --> 00:03:05,240 Speaker 3: DJ? 74 00:03:05,240 --> 00:03:07,239 Speaker 1: I think it's gonna be very, very reminiscent to what 75 00:03:07,320 --> 00:03:10,720 Speaker 1: the Rams did early in Sean mcvay's tenure. So don't 76 00:03:10,760 --> 00:03:13,520 Speaker 1: think about the latest iteration of the Rams when it 77 00:03:13,600 --> 00:03:15,760 Speaker 1: was Pooka and Cooper Cup and those guys. I want 78 00:03:15,760 --> 00:03:17,600 Speaker 1: you to go back to when it was Robert Woods, 79 00:03:17,600 --> 00:03:21,400 Speaker 1: Brandon Cook's Cooper Cup and how they were fast and 80 00:03:21,560 --> 00:03:24,960 Speaker 1: dynamic and really trying to stretch the field but then 81 00:03:25,360 --> 00:03:27,000 Speaker 1: being able to dump it off. I think it's going 82 00:03:27,040 --> 00:03:31,640 Speaker 1: to be that version Toami Brown, Ryan Thomas Junior, Travis Hunter, 83 00:03:31,960 --> 00:03:34,639 Speaker 1: you're here, Breton Strange name come in there as to 84 00:03:34,720 --> 00:03:35,360 Speaker 1: tie end one. 85 00:03:35,680 --> 00:03:38,520 Speaker 3: Parker Washington will play a big role in this offense. 86 00:03:38,680 --> 00:03:40,440 Speaker 1: But this offense is going to be one where they 87 00:03:40,480 --> 00:03:45,760 Speaker 1: think they can create explosive plays vertically and horizontally. And 88 00:03:45,800 --> 00:03:50,240 Speaker 1: I would also say this, like Travis it's Yen. There's 89 00:03:50,280 --> 00:03:53,680 Speaker 1: some conversation about wave it's in. He could actually benefit 90 00:03:53,880 --> 00:03:56,480 Speaker 1: with the vertical stretch game because that may create more 91 00:03:56,520 --> 00:03:59,520 Speaker 1: space for him to operate underneath and but y'all too, 92 00:04:00,320 --> 00:04:01,600 Speaker 1: the rioky from Virginia Tech. 93 00:04:02,880 --> 00:04:05,120 Speaker 3: You can I know him, he might get some stuff. Now, look, 94 00:04:05,160 --> 00:04:07,640 Speaker 3: I led you wrong last year when I said years ago, 95 00:04:08,680 --> 00:04:11,600 Speaker 3: two years ago. So then so then I'm just. 96 00:04:11,520 --> 00:04:13,800 Speaker 2: Signed the penalty box. I put you in the penalty 97 00:04:13,800 --> 00:04:16,719 Speaker 2: box for a year in terms of my fantasy advice 98 00:04:16,960 --> 00:04:19,480 Speaker 2: for my little fancy football team. But you're out of 99 00:04:19,520 --> 00:04:23,039 Speaker 2: the penalty box now. I'm back taking all Bucket Books recommendations. 100 00:04:23,040 --> 00:04:26,240 Speaker 2: So Tooting, I'll definitely make a note on that one. 101 00:04:27,120 --> 00:04:30,200 Speaker 2: What's the early return, and how Trevor likes the new group, 102 00:04:30,240 --> 00:04:32,640 Speaker 2: the new setup he's got there in terms of coaching staff, 103 00:04:33,320 --> 00:04:33,560 Speaker 2: you know. 104 00:04:33,520 --> 00:04:35,479 Speaker 1: Listening to everything that Trevor said, like he's been really 105 00:04:35,520 --> 00:04:38,000 Speaker 1: positive in terms of all of that stuff. And also 106 00:04:38,240 --> 00:04:42,200 Speaker 1: I feel like the sense of belief in him from 107 00:04:42,240 --> 00:04:43,120 Speaker 1: the coaching staff. 108 00:04:43,480 --> 00:04:45,080 Speaker 3: I think that rubs off on the player. 109 00:04:45,520 --> 00:04:48,000 Speaker 1: Like when the player feels like the coaching staff fully 110 00:04:48,040 --> 00:04:50,719 Speaker 1: believes in his talent and what he can be. I 111 00:04:50,760 --> 00:04:52,600 Speaker 1: think there's a different kind of buy in that you 112 00:04:52,720 --> 00:04:55,120 Speaker 1: can get. He obviously knows that there is a lot 113 00:04:55,240 --> 00:04:58,280 Speaker 1: on him, there's a lot of responsibilities on him. Obviously, 114 00:04:58,320 --> 00:05:00,680 Speaker 1: give him the big contract. There's an ext spectation that 115 00:05:01,520 --> 00:05:04,080 Speaker 1: this team goes from good to the great under his watch, 116 00:05:05,160 --> 00:05:07,599 Speaker 1: So he has to figure that part out. 117 00:05:07,640 --> 00:05:09,159 Speaker 3: But here's what I do now. 118 00:05:09,800 --> 00:05:12,400 Speaker 1: When you bet on people as opposed to the player, 119 00:05:12,400 --> 00:05:14,799 Speaker 1: you're betting on the character of the kid. The character 120 00:05:14,920 --> 00:05:16,840 Speaker 1: is right with Trevor Lawrence and Trevors Hunter and some 121 00:05:16,920 --> 00:05:18,360 Speaker 1: of the other guys that. 122 00:05:18,360 --> 00:05:20,360 Speaker 3: Are on the team. So I'm a believer that the 123 00:05:20,400 --> 00:05:22,160 Speaker 3: team will be right because you got enough for those 124 00:05:22,200 --> 00:05:23,880 Speaker 3: pieces in the locker room that want to be right. 125 00:05:24,560 --> 00:05:26,359 Speaker 2: A lot of nice guys. Man, when you kind of 126 00:05:26,480 --> 00:05:28,960 Speaker 2: think about that, like a lot of good dudes, nice guys. 127 00:05:29,000 --> 00:05:30,400 Speaker 2: They've got nice yeah, you. 128 00:05:30,320 --> 00:05:32,280 Speaker 3: Know, and look, they've always had a team full of 129 00:05:32,360 --> 00:05:32,800 Speaker 3: nice guys. 130 00:05:32,800 --> 00:05:35,599 Speaker 1: I would say maybe the difference is is the thing 131 00:05:35,600 --> 00:05:37,719 Speaker 1: that kind of came up throughout the draft. We heard 132 00:05:37,760 --> 00:05:39,760 Speaker 1: a lot of reports and people putting that third callum 133 00:05:39,960 --> 00:05:41,919 Speaker 1: on the board about characters. 134 00:05:41,920 --> 00:05:44,120 Speaker 3: Do they love it? They really love it? 135 00:05:44,400 --> 00:05:46,880 Speaker 1: I think you might have more guys that love it 136 00:05:46,960 --> 00:05:48,800 Speaker 1: in the locker room than they had in the past. 137 00:05:49,320 --> 00:05:53,880 Speaker 1: That naturally changes the culture. So when you have want 138 00:05:53,880 --> 00:05:59,480 Speaker 1: to guys as opposed to have two, yeah, it changes everything. 139 00:05:59,720 --> 00:06:02,080 Speaker 1: And the great team that you and I have been 140 00:06:02,120 --> 00:06:05,240 Speaker 1: around a DJ there were player lead You could go out. 141 00:06:05,400 --> 00:06:07,080 Speaker 1: You might be looking on the practice field and you 142 00:06:07,120 --> 00:06:09,080 Speaker 1: see a handful of guys working out on their own, 143 00:06:09,160 --> 00:06:11,840 Speaker 1: not because someone made them, but just because that was 144 00:06:11,920 --> 00:06:14,600 Speaker 1: kind of the standard in expectation. I've heard you talk 145 00:06:14,640 --> 00:06:17,720 Speaker 1: about ed Read and Ray Lewis and how they kind 146 00:06:17,760 --> 00:06:21,400 Speaker 1: of hel guys to a different standard. I think that 147 00:06:21,560 --> 00:06:24,280 Speaker 1: is some of the stuff that you're hopeful that will happen. 148 00:06:24,080 --> 00:06:27,040 Speaker 2: In Jackson in no doubt. Well there you go. That's 149 00:06:27,040 --> 00:06:29,240 Speaker 2: a wrap for the lead block presented by Team Mobile 150 00:06:29,279 --> 00:06:31,600 Speaker 2: for Business. Football needs a network willing to go the 151 00:06:31,680 --> 00:06:34,880 Speaker 2: extra yard. So do you go further with T Mobile 152 00:06:35,000 --> 00:06:38,520 Speaker 2: for Business? Buck I teased it at the top. You know, 153 00:06:38,560 --> 00:06:40,559 Speaker 2: this is our time of year. We both love to read, 154 00:06:40,640 --> 00:06:42,359 Speaker 2: and this is the time of year where we actually 155 00:06:42,400 --> 00:06:44,799 Speaker 2: have a little more time to dig into some stuff 156 00:06:44,800 --> 00:06:49,080 Speaker 2: and whether that's you know, audiobooks, listening to listening to podcasts, 157 00:06:49,120 --> 00:06:51,280 Speaker 2: reading books, just different things trying to learn and grow. 158 00:06:51,440 --> 00:06:53,640 Speaker 2: And you know, I think we both share a passion 159 00:06:53,640 --> 00:06:56,840 Speaker 2: for trying to study other sports and how that can 160 00:06:56,839 --> 00:07:00,600 Speaker 2: help us in our football life. And man, I'm I'm 161 00:07:00,720 --> 00:07:02,760 Speaker 2: about halfway through this book right now, but I wanted 162 00:07:02,800 --> 00:07:06,080 Speaker 2: to jump into it because it's a book. Stevie Williams 163 00:07:06,120 --> 00:07:08,599 Speaker 2: is the caddy for Tiger Woods for a very long time, 164 00:07:08,600 --> 00:07:12,080 Speaker 2: really during his his key stretch of dominance on the 165 00:07:12,120 --> 00:07:15,800 Speaker 2: PGA tour. This book's called Together We Roared. And I've 166 00:07:16,040 --> 00:07:18,720 Speaker 2: never really read a ton on Tiger I've seen obviously, 167 00:07:18,920 --> 00:07:22,280 Speaker 2: you know, there's been a million different things on TV 168 00:07:22,400 --> 00:07:24,400 Speaker 2: over the years kind of tell his story, but this 169 00:07:24,640 --> 00:07:26,880 Speaker 2: is kind of going into that block that just the 170 00:07:26,920 --> 00:07:30,960 Speaker 2: most dominant, you know, piece of golf we've ever seen 171 00:07:31,040 --> 00:07:33,640 Speaker 2: from anybody. I mean, just I did not realize. I 172 00:07:33,640 --> 00:07:36,160 Speaker 2: mean I followed golf loosely during those early years in 173 00:07:36,160 --> 00:07:38,720 Speaker 2: the early two thousands, late nineties kind of going into 174 00:07:38,760 --> 00:07:41,680 Speaker 2: his epic run, but I wasn't like locked in and 175 00:07:41,720 --> 00:07:44,560 Speaker 2: didn't really rufuly understand a whole lot about golf. So 176 00:07:44,600 --> 00:07:47,240 Speaker 2: when you're going through this and you're you're reading this 177 00:07:47,360 --> 00:07:50,040 Speaker 2: and you're like, he was so much better than everybody else, 178 00:07:50,080 --> 00:07:53,040 Speaker 2: Like it was utter dominance. But when I was reading 179 00:07:53,400 --> 00:07:55,400 Speaker 2: reading to this thing, like there was a lot of 180 00:07:55,400 --> 00:07:57,360 Speaker 2: takeaways that stood out to me, and so I jotted 181 00:07:57,440 --> 00:07:59,720 Speaker 2: five down and I wanted to kind of get your thoughts. 182 00:07:59,720 --> 00:08:03,400 Speaker 2: And this relates to other sports, particularly in the football world. 183 00:08:04,040 --> 00:08:08,679 Speaker 2: But the first one, the first takeaway. He wasn't afraid 184 00:08:08,760 --> 00:08:11,880 Speaker 2: to tinker when he was at the top. So he 185 00:08:11,920 --> 00:08:14,920 Speaker 2: wins his first major in a dominating fashion at the Masters, 186 00:08:14,960 --> 00:08:17,000 Speaker 2: and you think, okay, well, what I'm doing is working. 187 00:08:17,480 --> 00:08:19,800 Speaker 2: But he was not happy with some of the variants 188 00:08:19,800 --> 00:08:22,560 Speaker 2: in his game and his swing and not getting the 189 00:08:22,680 --> 00:08:26,040 Speaker 2: consistent results that he wanted. So he actually made some 190 00:08:26,080 --> 00:08:28,320 Speaker 2: swing changes and kind of had to take almost a 191 00:08:28,320 --> 00:08:30,560 Speaker 2: little bit of a step back while he was adjusting 192 00:08:30,600 --> 00:08:33,600 Speaker 2: to these changes because he knew in order to be 193 00:08:33,640 --> 00:08:35,400 Speaker 2: as dominant as he wanted to be, even though he 194 00:08:35,440 --> 00:08:38,480 Speaker 2: was at the very top buck there was no satisfaction. 195 00:08:38,640 --> 00:08:40,320 Speaker 2: He was always looking to try and see what I 196 00:08:40,360 --> 00:08:42,480 Speaker 2: need to change to get better at or, as some 197 00:08:42,480 --> 00:08:44,360 Speaker 2: people would say, if it ain't broke, don't fix it. 198 00:08:44,400 --> 00:08:46,880 Speaker 2: I feel like the truly great ones, even when they 199 00:08:46,880 --> 00:08:48,840 Speaker 2: get to the top of the mountain, they're like, I 200 00:08:48,880 --> 00:08:50,440 Speaker 2: need in order to stay here, I got to do 201 00:08:50,520 --> 00:08:51,840 Speaker 2: something a little more, a little different. 202 00:08:54,040 --> 00:08:54,200 Speaker 3: You know. 203 00:08:54,480 --> 00:08:56,920 Speaker 1: It's funny to say that because Nick Saban also has 204 00:08:56,960 --> 00:09:00,480 Speaker 1: subscribed to that theory. That even when you at the top, 205 00:09:00,600 --> 00:09:02,560 Speaker 1: that doesn't mean that you stay with what you've done 206 00:09:02,559 --> 00:09:04,360 Speaker 1: to get you there. You always have to be one 207 00:09:04,360 --> 00:09:07,000 Speaker 1: step ahead of the posse when it comes to trying 208 00:09:07,040 --> 00:09:09,800 Speaker 1: to achieve the greatness that you believe as possible with 209 00:09:09,840 --> 00:09:10,640 Speaker 1: the group that you have. 210 00:09:11,080 --> 00:09:12,920 Speaker 3: And for Tiger was to do that, I do remember 211 00:09:12,960 --> 00:09:14,199 Speaker 3: he did a radical. 212 00:09:13,840 --> 00:09:17,880 Speaker 1: Swing change, like right after he started winning, changed coaches. 213 00:09:17,960 --> 00:09:22,080 Speaker 1: I think he had Butch Harmon or whatever. Change coaches. Yeah, 214 00:09:22,120 --> 00:09:25,520 Speaker 1: and just look lost a few, but when he came 215 00:09:25,559 --> 00:09:27,240 Speaker 1: back and he went on that run, it was a 216 00:09:27,480 --> 00:09:31,079 Speaker 1: different Tiger Woods that you're dealing with. And look, man, 217 00:09:31,120 --> 00:09:34,679 Speaker 1: that's courageous. You cannot be a shrinking Violet if you're 218 00:09:35,200 --> 00:09:37,280 Speaker 1: willing to make those changes at the top, and so 219 00:09:37,320 --> 00:09:40,120 Speaker 1: many of us would not do it. Like, think about 220 00:09:40,559 --> 00:09:43,439 Speaker 1: the great football teams that we've seen, and will use 221 00:09:43,480 --> 00:09:45,480 Speaker 1: the Patriots because they were the most dominant football team 222 00:09:45,520 --> 00:09:47,679 Speaker 1: that we've seen in that era, But think about how 223 00:09:47,720 --> 00:09:52,160 Speaker 1: they constantly change the way they approached the game, like they. 224 00:09:52,000 --> 00:09:53,000 Speaker 3: Wanted us different. 225 00:09:53,800 --> 00:09:56,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, Tom Brady was the central figure in that, but look, 226 00:09:56,960 --> 00:09:59,720 Speaker 1: they won with the defense leading the way they won 227 00:09:59,800 --> 00:10:02,440 Speaker 1: with Brady playing small ball with a cast of Unhara 228 00:10:02,880 --> 00:10:05,760 Speaker 1: pass catches on the outside. They won, didn't win the 229 00:10:05,800 --> 00:10:07,719 Speaker 1: Super Bowl, but they won with Randy Moss and then 230 00:10:07,760 --> 00:10:10,840 Speaker 1: playing big boy ball, pushing it down the field. The 231 00:10:10,920 --> 00:10:17,000 Speaker 1: adaptability of great coaches chasing that ultimate game, that ultimate season. 232 00:10:17,679 --> 00:10:19,240 Speaker 3: It's a testament to the courage that they had. 233 00:10:20,160 --> 00:10:23,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, again, that's what's so neat about setting these great players, 234 00:10:23,320 --> 00:10:26,720 Speaker 2: historically dominant players, you know, greatest of all time type players, 235 00:10:26,960 --> 00:10:28,800 Speaker 2: and you take it over to other sports and you 236 00:10:28,840 --> 00:10:30,720 Speaker 2: see a lot of the things that they share in common. 237 00:10:30,840 --> 00:10:33,120 Speaker 2: So that was the first one there a little tinker 238 00:10:33,160 --> 00:10:35,720 Speaker 2: at the top. The next one I wrote down was 239 00:10:35,760 --> 00:10:38,440 Speaker 2: practice with a Purpose. It talks a lot about how 240 00:10:38,559 --> 00:10:41,520 Speaker 2: guys would go to the range and hit, you know, 241 00:10:41,600 --> 00:10:43,800 Speaker 2: hundreds of balls and do different things. And it said 242 00:10:44,200 --> 00:10:47,840 Speaker 2: he never took a swing, that he wasn't focused on 243 00:10:47,840 --> 00:10:51,440 Speaker 2: one particular thing on every single swing. And he talks 244 00:10:51,480 --> 00:10:53,560 Speaker 2: to the caddies telling the story, and he talks about 245 00:10:53,559 --> 00:10:56,439 Speaker 2: how he basically had to be security like he when 246 00:10:56,440 --> 00:10:58,120 Speaker 2: he would go to the range to work and everybody 247 00:10:58,200 --> 00:11:00,400 Speaker 2: wanted to come up and get a piece of him. Fellows, 248 00:11:00,440 --> 00:11:02,439 Speaker 2: maybe there's a sponsor, Maybe it's a guy who's running 249 00:11:02,440 --> 00:11:04,320 Speaker 2: the tournament. They would all kind of try and walk 250 00:11:04,360 --> 00:11:06,719 Speaker 2: over to him, and he said, Tiger kind of had 251 00:11:06,760 --> 00:11:08,480 Speaker 2: like a signal he would give him like hey, I'm 252 00:11:08,800 --> 00:11:11,360 Speaker 2: I'm working, like I'll talk to you later, but not 253 00:11:11,559 --> 00:11:14,400 Speaker 2: now like it was. There was like a focus and 254 00:11:14,480 --> 00:11:17,360 Speaker 2: a purpose with every single swing that he took. I 255 00:11:17,360 --> 00:11:19,360 Speaker 2: thought that was pretty fascinating. 256 00:11:19,600 --> 00:11:21,559 Speaker 3: You know, I think it's very common with the great ones. 257 00:11:22,160 --> 00:11:25,880 Speaker 1: The great ones in sports always talk about deliberate practice 258 00:11:25,920 --> 00:11:30,000 Speaker 1: the lake. Kobe Bryant would talk about the intent that 259 00:11:30,080 --> 00:11:33,160 Speaker 1: you have behind every practice rip, the things that you're 260 00:11:33,160 --> 00:11:34,880 Speaker 1: going in to work on. You may go into the 261 00:11:34,960 --> 00:11:37,680 Speaker 1: gym and just work on one move over and over 262 00:11:37,720 --> 00:11:42,520 Speaker 1: and over again. Tiger Woods was notorious for just how 263 00:11:42,679 --> 00:11:45,760 Speaker 1: great he was with his short game. So even when 264 00:11:45,840 --> 00:11:48,360 Speaker 1: his stuff off the tee wasn't right short game, he 265 00:11:48,400 --> 00:11:50,480 Speaker 1: could always make it up because it's the scoring zone. 266 00:11:51,240 --> 00:11:53,079 Speaker 1: That's the area that a lot of people just kind 267 00:11:53,120 --> 00:11:55,559 Speaker 1: of by the pass they ignore because they want to 268 00:11:55,600 --> 00:11:57,400 Speaker 1: hit the driver off the tee and do all the 269 00:11:57,440 --> 00:11:57,920 Speaker 1: other stuff. 270 00:11:57,920 --> 00:12:00,600 Speaker 3: But the points the games won and loss. 271 00:12:00,600 --> 00:12:02,960 Speaker 1: When it comes to Putton, Chipping and Putton is what 272 00:12:03,000 --> 00:12:05,280 Speaker 1: he always would talk about and when you think about 273 00:12:05,320 --> 00:12:08,439 Speaker 1: the deliberate practice. I talk about Kobe, also talk about 274 00:12:08,440 --> 00:12:11,440 Speaker 1: Malcolm Gladwell and they talked about ten thousand hours and 275 00:12:11,480 --> 00:12:15,280 Speaker 1: how the masterpieces came for Dvinci and Michaelangelo when they 276 00:12:15,360 --> 00:12:19,000 Speaker 1: poured in ten thousand hours of deliberate practice on their crap. 277 00:12:19,960 --> 00:12:20,800 Speaker 3: That's what it takes. 278 00:12:20,960 --> 00:12:23,040 Speaker 1: And at a time when we talk about loving the 279 00:12:23,120 --> 00:12:26,160 Speaker 1: game and gotta have a group of guys that really 280 00:12:26,160 --> 00:12:28,520 Speaker 1: love it, is because the great ones know that you 281 00:12:28,679 --> 00:12:30,880 Speaker 1: have to pour in all this extra time. 282 00:12:31,240 --> 00:12:32,640 Speaker 3: Time that's not required. 283 00:12:32,960 --> 00:12:35,880 Speaker 1: Time does not standard, but the time that everyone knows 284 00:12:35,960 --> 00:12:37,160 Speaker 1: is necessary to be great. 285 00:12:37,600 --> 00:12:39,200 Speaker 2: There's a lot of great stories in there, one of 286 00:12:39,240 --> 00:12:41,120 Speaker 2: which was he was in the middle I think it 287 00:12:41,160 --> 00:12:44,240 Speaker 2: was in the middle of a major and was driving 288 00:12:44,760 --> 00:12:48,080 Speaker 2: with the caddy like back to the hotel or wherever 289 00:12:48,160 --> 00:12:50,240 Speaker 2: they were staying at that tournament, and he said, hey, 290 00:12:50,320 --> 00:12:53,280 Speaker 2: pull over, and they're like, well, he like pulls over 291 00:12:53,320 --> 00:12:55,480 Speaker 2: to the side of the road. He goes to the trunk, 292 00:12:55,559 --> 00:12:57,720 Speaker 2: He takes out his seven iron off to the side 293 00:12:57,760 --> 00:13:00,920 Speaker 2: of the road and takes like five swims, puts the 294 00:13:00,960 --> 00:13:03,000 Speaker 2: thing back in the in the bag, gets in the 295 00:13:03,000 --> 00:13:05,720 Speaker 2: car and goes We're good. I found it like like 296 00:13:05,800 --> 00:13:07,960 Speaker 2: he had thought of it was there was something with 297 00:13:08,080 --> 00:13:11,520 Speaker 2: that particular club that didn't feel right, and he must 298 00:13:11,520 --> 00:13:13,320 Speaker 2: have why he they were driving, he must have thought 299 00:13:13,360 --> 00:13:15,880 Speaker 2: there's some there's some tip or something that he thought 300 00:13:15,880 --> 00:13:18,360 Speaker 2: of of like a key, a feel, and he's like, 301 00:13:18,360 --> 00:13:20,600 Speaker 2: why before this leaves my mind, I got to get 302 00:13:20,600 --> 00:13:22,520 Speaker 2: that club in my hand so I can feel what 303 00:13:22,559 --> 00:13:24,679 Speaker 2: I'm thinking. And then he found it, and then it 304 00:13:24,760 --> 00:13:27,040 Speaker 2: said like he was locked in with that club the 305 00:13:27,040 --> 00:13:29,079 Speaker 2: whole rest of the time. Tell stories about when he 306 00:13:29,080 --> 00:13:33,520 Speaker 2: would go play, you know, overseas and he'd be playing 307 00:13:33,679 --> 00:13:36,480 Speaker 2: in uh in England or wherever they were going to play, 308 00:13:36,480 --> 00:13:38,959 Speaker 2: and he would go to Ireland ahead of time because 309 00:13:38,960 --> 00:13:40,920 Speaker 2: he wanted to get used to those types of courses. 310 00:13:40,920 --> 00:13:43,000 Speaker 2: But he could do it without people knowing he was 311 00:13:43,040 --> 00:13:45,400 Speaker 2: there and just go over there and practice and know 312 00:13:45,480 --> 00:13:47,439 Speaker 2: that he needed to keep hit lower shots, stay out 313 00:13:47,440 --> 00:13:50,600 Speaker 2: of the wind because of the conditions over there. And 314 00:13:50,679 --> 00:13:53,240 Speaker 2: so that was, you know, that was fascinating to me, 315 00:13:53,320 --> 00:13:55,920 Speaker 2: and that that gets to my next one because it 316 00:13:56,000 --> 00:13:58,720 Speaker 2: was it was this tournament at Saint Andrews, which was 317 00:13:58,760 --> 00:14:03,760 Speaker 2: the first open that he won, you know, overseas or 318 00:14:04,040 --> 00:14:07,240 Speaker 2: to get as he's working towards that Grand Slam, the 319 00:14:07,240 --> 00:14:09,880 Speaker 2: British Open, and he in this tournament. This is why 320 00:14:09,880 --> 00:14:13,920 Speaker 2: I wrote down those great elite players, their goals are 321 00:14:13,960 --> 00:14:17,319 Speaker 2: different than normal people, like a normal person would write down, 322 00:14:17,360 --> 00:14:20,840 Speaker 2: I want to win the British Open, right. His goal 323 00:14:21,160 --> 00:14:24,640 Speaker 2: when he got there was I'm not going to hit 324 00:14:24,720 --> 00:14:28,000 Speaker 2: a bunker, like they're notorious that course over there, it's 325 00:14:28,040 --> 00:14:30,920 Speaker 2: Andrew's like, it's just these these super tall, narrow bunkers. 326 00:14:30,920 --> 00:14:33,280 Speaker 2: You can't get out of them. They're a nightmare. And 327 00:14:33,360 --> 00:14:36,360 Speaker 2: he played that whole round did not hit one bunker, 328 00:14:36,440 --> 00:14:38,320 Speaker 2: So everybody else is like, how do I shoot low? 329 00:14:38,440 --> 00:14:40,120 Speaker 2: There's another one where he's talking about He just was like, 330 00:14:40,120 --> 00:14:41,800 Speaker 2: I'm not going to three putt, and he went on 331 00:14:41,880 --> 00:14:44,280 Speaker 2: like an epic string of like several tournaments in a 332 00:14:44,320 --> 00:14:46,920 Speaker 2: row without three putting, went through a whole tournament and 333 00:14:47,120 --> 00:14:49,560 Speaker 2: no bogies, like I'm not just like that is my focus. 334 00:14:49,640 --> 00:14:51,960 Speaker 2: They will not be a single boat bogie. He talked 335 00:14:51,960 --> 00:14:53,560 Speaker 2: about margin of vict like I'm going to win this 336 00:14:53,560 --> 00:14:56,240 Speaker 2: tournament by the greatest margin that we've ever seen, and 337 00:14:56,320 --> 00:14:58,520 Speaker 2: some of his margins the victory were ridiculous for the 338 00:14:58,520 --> 00:15:01,360 Speaker 2: people that are you know, more golf knowledgeable than I am, 339 00:15:01,440 --> 00:15:03,840 Speaker 2: Like I was shocked, Like when you're twelve under in 340 00:15:03,880 --> 00:15:06,480 Speaker 2: the second place, guy is three over and a major, 341 00:15:06,680 --> 00:15:09,680 Speaker 2: Like it was just a level of not just I 342 00:15:09,760 --> 00:15:12,760 Speaker 2: want to win, but it was very think about. I 343 00:15:12,800 --> 00:15:14,480 Speaker 2: think EMMITTT. Smith had talked about this a long long 344 00:15:14,480 --> 00:15:16,760 Speaker 2: time ago, like specific goals, like you have to set 345 00:15:16,840 --> 00:15:19,400 Speaker 2: specific goals. It's not a dream, it's not a hope 346 00:15:19,440 --> 00:15:22,800 Speaker 2: and a wish, but it's very specific. And he was, 347 00:15:23,160 --> 00:15:26,600 Speaker 2: I mean, he was doing incredible things beyond just winning, 348 00:15:26,640 --> 00:15:28,960 Speaker 2: like he talked about after the Caddy's telling the story 349 00:15:29,000 --> 00:15:32,400 Speaker 2: about after the you know, he he makes a like 350 00:15:32,480 --> 00:15:35,280 Speaker 2: kind of a long par putt on seventeen and a 351 00:15:35,320 --> 00:15:37,440 Speaker 2: major and then he really celebrated and he said everybody 352 00:15:37,480 --> 00:15:39,400 Speaker 2: thought he was celebrating because he kind of clinched the 353 00:15:40,040 --> 00:15:41,840 Speaker 2: the win, and he was like he was celebrity because 354 00:15:41,840 --> 00:15:44,120 Speaker 2: he kept his string alive with no bogies because he's 355 00:15:44,360 --> 00:15:47,200 Speaker 2: got That was his obsession was just no bogies in 356 00:15:47,240 --> 00:15:48,200 Speaker 2: this in this tournament. 357 00:15:48,680 --> 00:15:51,760 Speaker 1: A few different things Emma Smith has talked about, like 358 00:15:52,240 --> 00:15:55,920 Speaker 1: goals or dreams with the timeline, like he talks about that. 359 00:15:56,000 --> 00:15:59,160 Speaker 1: So when you talk about Tiger putting those specific things 360 00:15:59,200 --> 00:16:01,480 Speaker 1: and what he wanted to achieve and how lofty they are, 361 00:16:01,520 --> 00:16:04,800 Speaker 1: but putting the timeline on those accompliments for himself. 362 00:16:04,840 --> 00:16:07,480 Speaker 3: That falls in line with what M Smith all time 363 00:16:07,520 --> 00:16:11,280 Speaker 3: Russia talked about. The other thing that I hear is. 364 00:16:12,840 --> 00:16:15,800 Speaker 1: The standard, right, and I just think about like Nick 365 00:16:15,840 --> 00:16:19,360 Speaker 1: Saban and Belichicking, those guys talk about, we don't play 366 00:16:19,400 --> 00:16:20,000 Speaker 1: the scoreboard. 367 00:16:20,000 --> 00:16:21,160 Speaker 3: We played to the standard. 368 00:16:21,480 --> 00:16:23,360 Speaker 1: So it's not about whether we win or lose, but 369 00:16:23,400 --> 00:16:26,120 Speaker 1: it's more so how we play. If we played to 370 00:16:26,160 --> 00:16:28,920 Speaker 1: the standard and we lost, that's fine. If we played 371 00:16:28,960 --> 00:16:31,640 Speaker 1: to the in one, but we didn't play to the standard, 372 00:16:31,680 --> 00:16:34,480 Speaker 1: I'm more upset about the way that it should look 373 00:16:34,600 --> 00:16:38,800 Speaker 1: and feel when we're playing. It sounded like Tiger operated 374 00:16:39,320 --> 00:16:43,680 Speaker 1: on that process oriented but also very very high standard 375 00:16:43,760 --> 00:16:46,720 Speaker 1: driven when it comes to what he wanted to look like, 376 00:16:46,960 --> 00:16:49,720 Speaker 1: how he wanted it to feel, and he knew that 377 00:16:49,720 --> 00:16:52,160 Speaker 1: if he played to his standard, the winning is a 378 00:16:52,200 --> 00:16:55,880 Speaker 1: byproduct of him doing all of those things right. But 379 00:16:56,440 --> 00:16:59,960 Speaker 1: I'll say this DJ, like, sometimes when you're that champion 380 00:17:00,080 --> 00:17:03,440 Speaker 1: and ship caliber team, that team that operates at a 381 00:17:03,520 --> 00:17:06,639 Speaker 1: high level like that, when you play to that standard, 382 00:17:06,640 --> 00:17:10,679 Speaker 1: it's so intimidating that you actually start winning because people 383 00:17:11,160 --> 00:17:13,840 Speaker 1: go into the thing thinking that they have no shot 384 00:17:14,440 --> 00:17:15,000 Speaker 1: to beat you. 385 00:17:15,480 --> 00:17:17,520 Speaker 3: And I feel like so many times. 386 00:17:17,240 --> 00:17:21,320 Speaker 1: For Tiger on Sunday, when people saw him in red, 387 00:17:22,040 --> 00:17:23,920 Speaker 1: they knew if he's in the hunt, it's a wrap. 388 00:17:24,480 --> 00:17:26,280 Speaker 3: And you know, it's interesting. 389 00:17:26,480 --> 00:17:28,639 Speaker 1: I can't wait to hear the additional takeaways that you 390 00:17:28,720 --> 00:17:32,520 Speaker 1: have because never seen anyone who could change his game 391 00:17:33,080 --> 00:17:34,680 Speaker 1: to do what he needed to do. 392 00:17:34,880 --> 00:17:35,720 Speaker 3: Just to win. 393 00:17:35,760 --> 00:17:38,080 Speaker 1: If I need to be aggressive, I could dial it up. 394 00:17:38,080 --> 00:17:39,719 Speaker 1: If I need to scale it back, because I got this, 395 00:17:40,560 --> 00:17:41,480 Speaker 1: I can dial it back. 396 00:17:42,240 --> 00:17:45,360 Speaker 2: You know what my next point is, Buck, I don't 397 00:17:45,359 --> 00:17:47,280 Speaker 2: even know if you can see it here, but it's 398 00:17:47,320 --> 00:17:49,119 Speaker 2: exactly what you were just saying there. 399 00:17:50,080 --> 00:17:51,920 Speaker 3: Oh wow, yeah, selectively aggressive. 400 00:17:52,520 --> 00:17:55,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, it was literally that's my next point because it 401 00:17:55,119 --> 00:17:58,199 Speaker 2: talks about how, hey, there's tournaments where guys are going 402 00:17:58,280 --> 00:18:00,560 Speaker 2: to go low, so I'm gonna I know, I need 403 00:18:00,560 --> 00:18:02,840 Speaker 2: to be aggressive here and we're going to attack a 404 00:18:02,840 --> 00:18:05,160 Speaker 2: little bit more. But then there's other ones where it's like, hey, 405 00:18:05,240 --> 00:18:07,399 Speaker 2: I'm I'm playing the course. And they said he was 406 00:18:07,480 --> 00:18:10,080 Speaker 2: so good at Augusta of just knowing where to place 407 00:18:10,160 --> 00:18:12,680 Speaker 2: balls and be conservative, like everybody el's gonna fall off, 408 00:18:12,680 --> 00:18:15,280 Speaker 2: They're gonna all make mistakes, but he's gonna play know 409 00:18:15,320 --> 00:18:17,159 Speaker 2: exactly what areas of the course he needs to do, 410 00:18:17,200 --> 00:18:20,880 Speaker 2: and it's kind of like navigating on that individual course. 411 00:18:20,920 --> 00:18:23,720 Speaker 2: So in other words, it was select to be selectively 412 00:18:23,760 --> 00:18:27,320 Speaker 2: aggressive manage the course. The different courses, different tournaments are 413 00:18:27,320 --> 00:18:30,399 Speaker 2: going to demand different things. So it was like, you know, 414 00:18:30,480 --> 00:18:32,760 Speaker 2: I thought about it was like Tiger was a game manager. 415 00:18:32,960 --> 00:18:34,320 Speaker 3: Like he was. 416 00:18:34,640 --> 00:18:37,480 Speaker 2: He was like that elite, elite talent. But also it's like, hey, 417 00:18:37,520 --> 00:18:39,200 Speaker 2: I need to kind of let's just manage this. We'll 418 00:18:39,200 --> 00:18:41,800 Speaker 2: just manage this game here, you. 419 00:18:41,720 --> 00:18:44,680 Speaker 1: Know I would Okay, So I'm gonna say this and 420 00:18:44,680 --> 00:18:46,639 Speaker 1: I'm gonna give him his flowers even though they're coming 421 00:18:46,640 --> 00:18:48,760 Speaker 1: off a super all loss. To me, it's the Pat 422 00:18:48,840 --> 00:18:51,960 Speaker 1: Mahomes approach. Yeah, I think Pat Mahomes takes a Tiger 423 00:18:52,000 --> 00:18:54,720 Speaker 1: Woods approach to the game. Like I think Pat Mahomes 424 00:18:54,760 --> 00:18:57,720 Speaker 1: is unique in terms of he can do all the 425 00:18:57,760 --> 00:19:01,880 Speaker 1: magical stuff, the sorcery that we see him, the noo throws, 426 00:19:01,960 --> 00:19:05,840 Speaker 1: the scrambles, and the improvisation, but there is also a 427 00:19:05,840 --> 00:19:07,719 Speaker 1: part of his game where he'll manage the game and 428 00:19:07,760 --> 00:19:09,760 Speaker 1: just do what he needs to do to win, and 429 00:19:09,800 --> 00:19:12,840 Speaker 1: we've seen that happen for so long. And one of 430 00:19:12,880 --> 00:19:15,359 Speaker 1: the reasons why he operates with such a hot winning 431 00:19:15,400 --> 00:19:19,760 Speaker 1: percentage is because he has learned how to be selectively 432 00:19:19,800 --> 00:19:22,920 Speaker 1: aggressive as he's matured and gotten older in the league 433 00:19:23,480 --> 00:19:26,960 Speaker 1: and three Super Bowls five years, all. 434 00:19:26,800 --> 00:19:28,720 Speaker 3: Of that that comes with it. 435 00:19:28,800 --> 00:19:31,720 Speaker 1: So it's not about like even type, it's not about 436 00:19:31,760 --> 00:19:36,280 Speaker 1: winning every tournament, but that mentality and that approach gives 437 00:19:36,320 --> 00:19:38,240 Speaker 1: you a chance to always be in the hunt. 438 00:19:39,640 --> 00:19:44,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's to me, it was and you mentioned Mahomes. 439 00:19:44,320 --> 00:19:49,760 Speaker 2: It's that when you have the elite mental capacity and 440 00:19:49,960 --> 00:19:52,840 Speaker 2: it's a combination, right, you have the ability, you have 441 00:19:52,880 --> 00:19:56,480 Speaker 2: the mental capacity, and then the maturity to know which 442 00:19:56,480 --> 00:19:59,360 Speaker 2: of those you need to delve more into based off 443 00:19:59,400 --> 00:20:02,080 Speaker 2: of a particular their game or particular course, particular day 444 00:20:02,119 --> 00:20:04,080 Speaker 2: like today is going to be a mental day, Like 445 00:20:04,160 --> 00:20:06,399 Speaker 2: we're just going to be mature, we're going to be smart, 446 00:20:06,440 --> 00:20:09,000 Speaker 2: we're gonna play it safe. And then also some of 447 00:20:09,000 --> 00:20:10,639 Speaker 2: these days, like man, I got to put my cape 448 00:20:10,640 --> 00:20:13,199 Speaker 2: on today, like in order to do what needs to 449 00:20:13,200 --> 00:20:15,199 Speaker 2: be done, I got to be that guy that I 450 00:20:15,240 --> 00:20:19,119 Speaker 2: know I'm capable of. But to me, it's it's just 451 00:20:19,240 --> 00:20:22,800 Speaker 2: fascinating that you see these other guys, like think about 452 00:20:22,840 --> 00:20:24,760 Speaker 2: basketball players. Some games like I can just be a 453 00:20:24,760 --> 00:20:26,920 Speaker 2: distributor in this game, and then there's other games I 454 00:20:26,920 --> 00:20:29,000 Speaker 2: gotta kind of take the game over all. Right, before 455 00:20:29,000 --> 00:20:30,920 Speaker 2: we get back to the rest of this list, let's 456 00:20:31,000 --> 00:20:37,240 Speaker 2: take a quick break. To me, it was interesting that 457 00:20:37,920 --> 00:20:40,359 Speaker 2: if you think about these all time greats, and I 458 00:20:40,400 --> 00:20:44,639 Speaker 2: think in our lifetime in terms of athletes, tell me 459 00:20:44,680 --> 00:20:46,919 Speaker 2: if I'm missing anybody, but I would say it was 460 00:20:47,359 --> 00:20:51,119 Speaker 2: Michael Jordan, Tiger Woods, Serena Williams probably the three most 461 00:20:51,280 --> 00:20:55,399 Speaker 2: dominant athletes. Am I missing somebody? That feels to me 462 00:20:55,520 --> 00:20:57,480 Speaker 2: like that's the three? And I soccer I don't know 463 00:20:57,480 --> 00:20:59,159 Speaker 2: as well, so I guess it Messi or whoever you 464 00:20:59,200 --> 00:21:01,680 Speaker 2: wanted to say in soccer. But those to me feel 465 00:21:01,720 --> 00:21:04,640 Speaker 2: like the three of our era of the last quarter century. 466 00:21:04,680 --> 00:21:07,280 Speaker 2: Those are the three most dominant athletes. And to me, 467 00:21:07,320 --> 00:21:09,920 Speaker 2: it's ironic that like him and him and Mike play 468 00:21:09,960 --> 00:21:12,040 Speaker 2: golf together all the time and we're good buddies, like it. 469 00:21:12,240 --> 00:21:14,639 Speaker 2: Not a coincidence, not. 470 00:21:14,880 --> 00:21:18,800 Speaker 1: A coincidence because they're flocked together. So these when you 471 00:21:19,320 --> 00:21:24,119 Speaker 1: think about how your mentality is how you're wired. Those 472 00:21:24,160 --> 00:21:27,439 Speaker 1: guys who are aggressive like that, who are successful like that, 473 00:21:27,480 --> 00:21:28,439 Speaker 1: they all operate in. 474 00:21:28,440 --> 00:21:32,360 Speaker 3: The same spaces. Like they have the same obsessive nature. 475 00:21:32,080 --> 00:21:34,680 Speaker 1: When it comes to winning in the details, which is 476 00:21:34,720 --> 00:21:37,040 Speaker 1: why they can't make many friends, but they tend to 477 00:21:37,520 --> 00:21:41,680 Speaker 1: gravitate towards one another. Look Tiger Woods, like prior to 478 00:21:41,840 --> 00:21:45,960 Speaker 1: the injuries, and some of those injuries were done out 479 00:21:45,960 --> 00:21:48,240 Speaker 1: of a desire to try and push himself to the 480 00:21:48,280 --> 00:21:51,320 Speaker 1: next level away from the course. So he's trying to 481 00:21:51,359 --> 00:21:53,680 Speaker 1: do these things to make himself even more dominant. Like 482 00:21:53,720 --> 00:21:55,560 Speaker 1: I know he had a fascination with the Navy Seals 483 00:21:55,560 --> 00:21:59,720 Speaker 1: and all that other stuff, like those things trying to 484 00:21:59,760 --> 00:22:04,520 Speaker 1: be the elite of the elites. They have that obsessive 485 00:22:04,840 --> 00:22:08,560 Speaker 1: nature when it comes to competing and winning and being 486 00:22:08,600 --> 00:22:11,600 Speaker 1: the best, and they're hyper critical of their performances. But 487 00:22:11,640 --> 00:22:14,600 Speaker 1: they're hyper critical because they pour so much into the 488 00:22:14,640 --> 00:22:15,920 Speaker 1: preparation process. 489 00:22:16,200 --> 00:22:19,120 Speaker 2: Yeah no, And look, we could get into all the 490 00:22:19,160 --> 00:22:21,879 Speaker 2: Olympic athletes too. You can get into the Michael Phelps, 491 00:22:22,040 --> 00:22:26,720 Speaker 2: Michael Biles like all, Like there's another whole core group. 492 00:22:26,760 --> 00:22:28,760 Speaker 2: But I just think in terms of like the biggest 493 00:22:29,160 --> 00:22:33,440 Speaker 2: like stars brand name sports. Those were the three that 494 00:22:34,400 --> 00:22:36,240 Speaker 2: came to mind there. The last one I wrote down 495 00:22:36,280 --> 00:22:38,479 Speaker 2: to the five takeaways. Again, I'm only halfway through this thing, 496 00:22:38,520 --> 00:22:40,400 Speaker 2: so I'm anxious see what else I learned through here. 497 00:22:40,440 --> 00:22:43,720 Speaker 2: But I wrote down and hire the right people, to 498 00:22:44,040 --> 00:22:47,439 Speaker 2: hire the right people and empower them. And obviously this 499 00:22:47,480 --> 00:22:50,600 Speaker 2: book's written by the caddy, so I'm sure and those 500 00:22:50,600 --> 00:22:52,639 Speaker 2: that know golf might say a little more importance is 501 00:22:52,640 --> 00:22:55,800 Speaker 2: given to the caddy than maybe he deserved. Maybe it is. Obviously, 502 00:22:56,160 --> 00:22:59,000 Speaker 2: you know, Tiger is Tiger, but there's no mistake in 503 00:22:59,000 --> 00:23:01,239 Speaker 2: the fact that these guys had incredible run together and 504 00:23:01,280 --> 00:23:03,359 Speaker 2: he did have an impact. And it tells stories about 505 00:23:03,359 --> 00:23:07,360 Speaker 2: how going back to Michael Jordan, there was a Major 506 00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:09,560 Speaker 2: in Chicago, I think Madna is that the name of 507 00:23:09,600 --> 00:23:12,520 Speaker 2: the golf course anyway, so somewhere where Jordan was a member. 508 00:23:13,160 --> 00:23:15,119 Speaker 2: So they had gone out there like a week or 509 00:23:15,160 --> 00:23:18,520 Speaker 2: two ahead of the Major to play the course, but 510 00:23:18,640 --> 00:23:22,000 Speaker 2: also so the caddy could go get information. He got information. 511 00:23:22,160 --> 00:23:24,960 Speaker 2: Michael Jordan actually supplied them some information, gave him a 512 00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:28,199 Speaker 2: tip that like, hey, on on the back nine, like that, 513 00:23:28,320 --> 00:23:30,120 Speaker 2: it's going to look like there's more break than there 514 00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:32,960 Speaker 2: is like Michael played the course all the time, remember there, 515 00:23:33,160 --> 00:23:35,920 Speaker 2: And so then it talks about how the caddy would 516 00:23:35,920 --> 00:23:38,040 Speaker 2: then go around and talk to all the local pros 517 00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:40,240 Speaker 2: you know that played this course or remembers there to 518 00:23:40,280 --> 00:23:43,359 Speaker 2: get advice and information for them. And then there's a 519 00:23:43,400 --> 00:23:46,679 Speaker 2: big putt in this tournament late and Tiger says, I 520 00:23:46,760 --> 00:23:48,840 Speaker 2: see it kind of a cup out to the right, 521 00:23:49,560 --> 00:23:51,840 Speaker 2: and Stevie Williams goes, no, it looks like that, but 522 00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:54,639 Speaker 2: it's really inside right edge, Like just trust it inside 523 00:23:54,680 --> 00:23:55,800 Speaker 2: right edge. And he was like, look, it have been 524 00:23:55,800 --> 00:23:58,439 Speaker 2: easy for me to say, hey, I'll just go with 525 00:23:58,480 --> 00:24:00,640 Speaker 2: you whatever he says, because then if it does work out, 526 00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:03,399 Speaker 2: hey you're on the same page. But to kind of 527 00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:06,080 Speaker 2: contradict him and to give him a different read, a 528 00:24:06,080 --> 00:24:08,399 Speaker 2: different line, he put himself out there a little bit. 529 00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:11,040 Speaker 2: But Tiger trusted him, listened to him. He hits it 530 00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:13,240 Speaker 2: just inside right edge and it drops right in the 531 00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:15,320 Speaker 2: cup and he kind of wins the tournament. But the 532 00:24:15,359 --> 00:24:18,920 Speaker 2: point being, if you trust the caddy, you hire him, 533 00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:21,440 Speaker 2: he does all the work. You trust that he's going 534 00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:24,000 Speaker 2: to do the work and know the course and talk 535 00:24:24,040 --> 00:24:26,160 Speaker 2: to the people there and have a good feel for it. 536 00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:27,920 Speaker 2: And then when he gives you the read, you don't 537 00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:29,800 Speaker 2: you don't poo poo him, you don't say I know 538 00:24:29,880 --> 00:24:31,600 Speaker 2: better than you do. You say, Okay, that's what you 539 00:24:31,600 --> 00:24:33,960 Speaker 2: were hired to do, that was your job. I'm gonna 540 00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:35,760 Speaker 2: trust you and then we'll go get it done. And 541 00:24:35,800 --> 00:24:38,840 Speaker 2: I was thinking of in football, what no greater example 542 00:24:38,880 --> 00:24:41,119 Speaker 2: of that than when you you know you have a coordinator, 543 00:24:41,119 --> 00:24:43,400 Speaker 2: you hired the coordinator, like, let him call the game, 544 00:24:43,680 --> 00:24:45,760 Speaker 2: Like that's that's what his job is. If you trust 545 00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:46,919 Speaker 2: him to do that, let him do it. 546 00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:50,320 Speaker 1: And that is a big part of it, like hiring 547 00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:53,840 Speaker 1: good people, and the great coaches hire people that they 548 00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:56,760 Speaker 1: may even deem to be smarter than them because they 549 00:24:56,840 --> 00:25:00,120 Speaker 1: want the best people around it and they empower it. 550 00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:03,199 Speaker 1: If you have someone good, they say, give them more stuff. 551 00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:05,240 Speaker 1: Got to keep them engaging. They're going to do the 552 00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:09,040 Speaker 1: best with what they have, and they're gonna turn that 553 00:25:09,240 --> 00:25:12,120 Speaker 1: little opportunity into a better opportunity because they're gonna pour 554 00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:15,960 Speaker 1: everything into it. For Tiger Woods to trust his caddy 555 00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:18,480 Speaker 1: to me, that that's everything. Like there are few things 556 00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:23,000 Speaker 1: that we talked about in team sports that matter. Commitment, accountability, 557 00:25:23,119 --> 00:25:25,800 Speaker 1: and trust, and trust is really the big thing because 558 00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:27,360 Speaker 1: you got to be committed to do it. You got 559 00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:29,600 Speaker 1: to hold each other accountable. But if you committed an 560 00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:32,920 Speaker 1: accountable now you can be trustworth. And I think that 561 00:25:33,359 --> 00:25:36,919 Speaker 1: Tiger had to see that. Look, Steve was in it 562 00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:39,359 Speaker 1: just like he was, he could hold him accountable. And 563 00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:42,120 Speaker 1: because he was accountable in terms of how he held 564 00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:45,240 Speaker 1: himself and how he held Tiger accountable to some things, 565 00:25:45,760 --> 00:25:48,040 Speaker 1: that led to the trust that was needed to make 566 00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:50,440 Speaker 1: those decisions in key moments. 567 00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:54,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's uh, you know, to me, it's it's really 568 00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:56,480 Speaker 2: been a fun read and learning more about it, learning 569 00:25:56,480 --> 00:25:58,639 Speaker 2: more about that era. I mean, the guy was just 570 00:25:58,840 --> 00:26:01,600 Speaker 2: so dominant and it was something that we had never 571 00:26:01,640 --> 00:26:04,320 Speaker 2: seen and all the hype. Think about all the hype, 572 00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:07,320 Speaker 2: like who who exceeds the hype when they come into 573 00:26:07,359 --> 00:26:11,080 Speaker 2: the professional space, Like to think about Mike, Like going 574 00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:13,240 Speaker 2: back to Michael Jordan, like he wasn't the first overall 575 00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:15,240 Speaker 2: pick like this was. I mean he was everybody knew 576 00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:17,280 Speaker 2: he was good, but nobody knew he would be the 577 00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:20,040 Speaker 2: greatest of all time. Tom Brady was no expectations. He 578 00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:22,120 Speaker 2: was a six round pick. Like to me, the only 579 00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:25,960 Speaker 2: thing that's even somewhat comparable be Lebron, Like, Lebron came 580 00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:32,199 Speaker 2: into it with these unimaginable, unreachable expectations and somehow he 581 00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:34,920 Speaker 2: exceeded them. And I feel like Tiger Woods, you know, 582 00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:36,720 Speaker 2: is the great example of someone who did that. 583 00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:38,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, it's. 584 00:26:38,119 --> 00:26:41,800 Speaker 1: Funny because Lebron is like that. A thin thing where 585 00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:47,280 Speaker 1: they differ is the mentality. The outwart mentality appears to 586 00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:50,240 Speaker 1: be different, where Tiger Woods appears to be almost like 587 00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:53,840 Speaker 1: an assassin, pretty similar to the way Kobe approached Tiger. 588 00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:56,600 Speaker 1: I mean, Lebron doesn't appear to have that same demeanor. 589 00:26:56,720 --> 00:26:59,280 Speaker 1: Even though you could say that Tiger Woods and Lebron 590 00:26:59,359 --> 00:27:02,080 Speaker 1: James was because both of them were viewed as the 591 00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:05,119 Speaker 1: chosen ones and they didn't disappoint when they got to 592 00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:06,040 Speaker 1: the next level. 593 00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:09,359 Speaker 3: From day one, they didn't disappoint. It didn't It wasn't 594 00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:10,480 Speaker 3: a slow cook. 595 00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:13,399 Speaker 1: Like, oh, it's gonna take them away, Nope, I'm here. 596 00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:17,160 Speaker 1: That would be good right out the gate. That is uncommon, 597 00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:19,800 Speaker 1: but it speaks to the greatness of Title Woo. It's 598 00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:22,119 Speaker 1: his mentalities, approach, his preparation process. 599 00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:25,119 Speaker 2: Yeah, so for those that are interested, the book is together. 600 00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:27,639 Speaker 2: We roared again, I know we're a football show, but 601 00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:30,000 Speaker 2: I do think this stuff is transferable, and that's what 602 00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:31,879 Speaker 2: I wanted to do today. It was fun, Buck, It's uh, 603 00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:34,119 Speaker 2: it's fun to get your reaction to it. I'm excited 604 00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:35,480 Speaker 2: for you to get a chance to jump into this 605 00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:39,040 Speaker 2: thing whenever you can. But it's what it's doing, is 606 00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:41,200 Speaker 2: is making me want to read more about this guy, 607 00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:45,240 Speaker 2: to study more and and be thankful. Also, like, man, 608 00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:48,680 Speaker 2: what we might be the greatest sports fan generation. Maybe 609 00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:50,560 Speaker 2: I guess you know, to me, I guess if you 610 00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:53,480 Speaker 2: were eighties basketball fan, maybe that was kind of their 611 00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:56,879 Speaker 2: their sweet spot. But we can honestly say we were still. 612 00:27:57,000 --> 00:27:59,360 Speaker 2: We were still. I mean we saw the micro. 613 00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:01,320 Speaker 3: We see them all. I mean we've seen all. 614 00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:02,000 Speaker 2: The greatest stuff. 615 00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:04,240 Speaker 3: We saw all the different sports. 616 00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:07,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, we saw Joe Montana and football, we saw Jerry Rice. 617 00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:11,240 Speaker 1: We had a chance to basketball, from Magic and Bird 618 00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:12,360 Speaker 1: to Jordan's to. 619 00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:16,080 Speaker 3: The blonde Kobe thrown in there. I mean like we have. 620 00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:19,960 Speaker 1: I mean there's so much the Tiger era we talked 621 00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:22,760 Speaker 1: about in tennis, being able to see the great tennis players. 622 00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:25,360 Speaker 1: So you can talk about Venus and Serena, you talk 623 00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:28,840 Speaker 1: about on the women's side, like Steffi Graff also. 624 00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:31,560 Speaker 3: Being in that we can talk about like just so 625 00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:33,080 Speaker 3: many people. 626 00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:37,080 Speaker 1: I mean, like just Pe Sanfrist Federal, Like there's so 627 00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:39,400 Speaker 1: many greats that we've seen. And I know they always 628 00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:42,800 Speaker 1: talk about people being a prisoner of the moment, but 629 00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:46,360 Speaker 1: when you think about that track, right, of what we've seen. 630 00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:49,640 Speaker 3: And we were able to bring cools in different eras. 631 00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:52,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, if you're a sportsman, man, we have been privileged 632 00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:53,480 Speaker 1: to see a lot of great things. 633 00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:57,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I think I'm thinking of sports like, Okay, 634 00:28:57,080 --> 00:29:01,000 Speaker 2: we we missed on uh you know, I guess you say, 635 00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:03,880 Speaker 2: Jack Nicholas, Arnold Palmer. I was, we're probably a little 636 00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:04,560 Speaker 2: too young for that. 637 00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:08,000 Speaker 3: The end of the run when I was like when 638 00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:09,160 Speaker 3: it was coming, I think. 639 00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:12,040 Speaker 2: Nicholas won his last one like the mid eighties maybe, 640 00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:16,520 Speaker 2: so I think, yeah, yeah. 641 00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:20,080 Speaker 1: But it's yeah, I mean, you're right about it being 642 00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:23,160 Speaker 1: a very privileged run and exposure and what we've seen 643 00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:24,920 Speaker 1: and Tom Brady in his seven I. 644 00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:27,920 Speaker 3: Mean, just a lot of great a lot of a 645 00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:29,440 Speaker 3: lot of great ball you've seen. 646 00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:32,600 Speaker 2: No question, Well that was that was fun. Today. Again, 647 00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:34,840 Speaker 2: we'll have some more football stuff as we get into 648 00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:37,760 Speaker 2: the off season. You know, we'll see what what shakes. 649 00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:40,200 Speaker 2: I think we'll see some more contract extensions get done here. 650 00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:43,120 Speaker 2: Sounds like people are working on those, so we'll see 651 00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:45,960 Speaker 2: what happens. If we get some news there, we'll definitely 652 00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:48,760 Speaker 2: have our reaction to it. But that's going to do 653 00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:50,320 Speaker 2: it for us today. I hope you guys enjoyed a 654 00:29:50,360 --> 00:30:02,160 Speaker 2: fun off season episode here with the sticks