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Speaker 3: be the first to welcome you to Monday, March twenty fourth.
Speaker 3: How's it going, guys, how are we feeling?
Speaker 4: Welcome to the middle of the film. That's money, Piper,
Speaker 4: that's going good. I'm feeling like a giant nerd today
Speaker 4: as usual.
Speaker 2: Nice. I am just for some reason craving Ntella. I
Speaker 2: just wanted to tell her right now. I don't know, because.
Speaker 4: Yeah, probably that was to deal with palm oil. Palm
Speaker 4: oil bad, right. We don't like palm oil because it's
Speaker 4: I think, isn't it harvested historically by slave labor and South.
Speaker 3: Well, I mean if you hate orangutanks, then palm oil
Speaker 3: is awesome.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, look it's got palm oil in it.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: No, we we are not here to exclusively ruin wholesome
Speaker 3: good things. But maybe we pop the top on this
Speaker 3: would by giving everybody some news that some strange news
Speaker 3: that may make confirm some of our fellow listeners firsthand experiences.
Speaker 3: It may also be a nice uh whatever the opposite
Speaker 3: of a palate cleanser is to our earlier episod it
Speaker 3: on social media. What's the opposite of a palate cleanser?
Speaker 3: You guys.
Speaker 2: Eat a lot of flavor bomb flavor explosions.
Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, a palette blocker, a palette annihilator, yeah, a
Speaker 3: palette stem here all right, Uh, here's the news that broke.
Speaker 3: Financial Times covered it, Gizmoto covered it, Futurism covered it.
Speaker 3: Human intelligence does appear to be sharply declining depending upon
Speaker 3: how human intelligence is measured. What do we mean by this?
Speaker 3: Assessments from multiple institutions are showing that people across demographics
Speaker 3: and across age groups are having trouble concentrating a losing
Speaker 3: reasoning problem. Solving, critical thinking, and information processing skills. So
Speaker 3: the way that they are measuring intelligence in these studies
Speaker 3: does appear to confirm some of the things that we
Speaker 3: discussed in our episode on social media versus attention span.
Speaker 3: But I think Noel, you raised a really salient point
Speaker 3: that's been on everybody's mind earlier, which was perhaps cognitive
Speaker 3: processing ability. It's not necessarily part of it is attroby,
Speaker 3: but it's not necessarily disappearing.
Speaker 4: It's being shifted.
Speaker 3: It's being shifted or it's transforming to other priorities in
Speaker 3: the great mystery box called the human brain.
Speaker 4: Do you remember that story we covered either here on
Speaker 4: Ridiculous History about like the decline of intelligence during the
Speaker 4: Roman Empire likely attributed to Lead led. I don't think
Speaker 4: we can blame Lead for this necessarily. They go plastic
Speaker 4: in our balls, ruminated everything.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we can say that there are chemical substances that definitely,
Speaker 3: especially informative years for humans, They can affect cognition, they
Speaker 3: can affect later things like impulse control and critical thought.
Speaker 3: This goes to here, let's cite let's cite a few
Speaker 3: sources as we kick it off. We'll go to nor
Speaker 3: Al Sabai writing for Futurism, who points out the University
Speaker 3: of Michigan's Monitoring the Future study looked at what they
Speaker 3: call concentration difficulty of eighteen year old people in America
Speaker 3: and then.
Speaker 4: Forty year old people in America. I can relate. Concentration
Speaker 4: is hard, yeah, and getting harder. It seems, uh huh.
Speaker 3: And they said, you know, look at these other studies,
Speaker 3: like the Program for International Student Assessment or that's a
Speaker 3: standing institution. Their whole deal is to measure learning skills
Speaker 3: of adolescents around the world. And after years of research,
Speaker 3: really deep research, they found that people seem to universally
Speaker 3: be struggling with reduced attention spans and weakening critical thinking skills.
Speaker 3: Just in twenty twenty two, Oh, the pandemic was a
Speaker 3: game changer for US. In twenty twenty two, the National
Speaker 3: Endowment for the Arts found that just thirty seven point
Speaker 3: six percent of Americans US residents said they'd read a
Speaker 3: novel or a short story in twenty twenty one.
Speaker 4: Remember I told you Ben that on our trip to
Speaker 4: the Middle East, I was really hoping to read a
Speaker 4: whole book, And so I bought the twenty twenty four
Speaker 4: collection of the best American short Stories. I am proud
Speaker 4: to reveal that I did read the forward, the introduction,
Speaker 4: and one story in thirty Hours of Flying.
Speaker 3: The first story was good, very good.
Speaker 4: It was called The Magic Bangle, and I highly recommend it.
Speaker 4: And I'm really looking forward to digging in because I figured,
Speaker 4: you know, I mean, maybe this is good advice for
Speaker 4: anybody that's struggling with this. I just kind of figured, like,
Speaker 4: we read a lot of bite sized stuff. I really
Speaker 4: want to finish a book, so why not read a
Speaker 4: book full of bite sized stuff.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And some of the world's best novels are written
Speaker 3: in that way. For instance, you know, a great, a
Speaker 3: great debate covering The Things They Carried is whether that
Speaker 3: should be evaluated as a cohesive novel or whether it's
Speaker 3: a series of interrelated short stories. And what is life
Speaker 3: really except for a series of inter related short stories?
Speaker 3: With that. With that, folks, we do not abjure, but
Speaker 3: we do encourage you to spend some time in deep thought,
Speaker 3: you know, to take some time and for I don't,
Speaker 3: I'll be on a here as everybody's accountabil a buddy, h.
Speaker 3: I have to put my phone away now when I read,
Speaker 3: because we're just so it's so normalized. We're so acclimated
Speaker 3: to always having a thing that we check just in
Speaker 3: case something new has.
Speaker 4: Happens, that dopamine casino we carry around in our pockets.
Speaker 4: Like I actually recently invested in one of those mag
Speaker 4: charger things that sits by my bed, So when I
Speaker 4: charge my phone now, I put it on that thing
Speaker 4: and close the door on the other side of the house.
Speaker 4: And I've been trying to listen to records and be
Speaker 4: more intentional with the stuff I do and try not
Speaker 4: to think about that thing. And it's it's, you know,
Speaker 4: working to a degree, but it's still not easy. I
Speaker 4: do feel that drive to go check it in the
Speaker 4: other room.
Speaker 2: Can we pause for a moment. A vocabulary word of
Speaker 2: the day abjure. Please let us know abjure?
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Does that mean kind of like to poo poo, something
Speaker 4: like to speak negatively or to reject.
Speaker 3: It means to uh, it's it's like to renown. Here
Speaker 3: we go disavowed. So I I should have used admonish.
Speaker 4: No, no, no, no, no.
Speaker 2: We just some of us don't know words.
Speaker 3: So we don't so we're not The point is we're
Speaker 3: not yelling at you we're not yelling at ourselves, but
Speaker 3: we're we're all working towards this, and we'd love to
Speaker 3: hear from fellow conspiracy realists who are in charge of younglings.
Speaker 3: How how do you handle uh the screen time? How
Speaker 3: do you handle the creation of uh capacity for critical
Speaker 3: thinking and deep thought? While you're doing that, we're going
Speaker 3: to give you a cavalcade of somewhat related stories. We're
Speaker 3: going to talk about eggs, of course, We're going to
Speaker 3: follow up on Purdue Pharma. We're going to finally catch
Speaker 3: up with Satan's disciples. Uh, We'll we'll talk about disclosure.
Speaker 3: We got some shout outs to the ends of the
Speaker 3: Earth literally, a story we've all been following in Antarctica,
Speaker 3: story we've been following in space. But before we do
Speaker 3: any of that, before we even pause for a word
Speaker 3: from our sponsors, I'd like to posit to you guys,
Speaker 3: the following, would you live in a city that had
Speaker 3: less rule of law but more potential to use science
Speaker 3: to improve your life?
Speaker 4: I answer that question by citing an incredible take I
Speaker 4: just heard from Ezra Klein talking about all this idea
Speaker 4: of increasing government efficiency, and his critique was, I'm all
Speaker 4: about government efficiency, But the question is towards what end
Speaker 4: efficiency towards what? And he just feels like the current
Speaker 4: administration's vision of the future sucks because it does not
Speaker 4: involve the things that you're talking about, Ben, and it
Speaker 4: sort of absures science and technology and seems to have
Speaker 4: a bit of a retrograde attitude towards that. So I
Speaker 4: would I would hope, I would love to live in
Speaker 4: a place where all that stuff is more appreciate it.
Speaker 3: All right, well, we'll go to and add break and
Speaker 3: we will introduce you to the not quite new idea
Speaker 3: of freedom cities. And we have returned. Do you guys
Speaker 3: remember the old song? Was it sixteen tons? The company
Speaker 3: store song?
Speaker 4: Lord?
Speaker 3: What do you get that is entirely about the US practice,
Speaker 3: or you know, the worldwide practice in the past, of
Speaker 3: a community that is run by not a state, not
Speaker 3: a government, a government entity, but instead by a private entity,
Speaker 3: by a corporation. This encounters all kinds of weird stuff
Speaker 3: like pain and script or having debts that are purposely
Speaker 3: structured such that you can never never really get back
Speaker 3: into the black ink. We've all heard stories about that.
Speaker 3: I think we did a few episodes on ridiculous history
Speaker 3: that touch on the idea of company towns, didn't we.
Speaker 4: We had one on here, Absolutely we did on here.
Speaker 4: I mean just the idea of I don't know, just
Speaker 4: you know. It's funny too, with the discussion we recently
Speaker 4: had about scam factory, you know, that's almost an extension
Speaker 4: of that, but even more abusive. I would argue, just
Speaker 4: the idea of your captive you are beholden to these
Speaker 4: overlords of one type or another, and you are using
Speaker 4: currency that they determine the value of.
Speaker 3: Well, great news for any fans of terrible historical precedent.
Speaker 3: There is a lobbying group right now active in the
Speaker 3: United States called the Freedom Citi's Coalition. The Freedoms Cities
Speaker 3: Coalition is currently meeting with officials from the present US
Speaker 3: administration to push for the creation of what are called
Speaker 3: freedom cities. Now, first off, that's that's a great name.
Speaker 3: Uh there. The idea is that you could create tech
Speaker 3: hubs exempt from all those pesky taxes and red tape regulation, uh,
Speaker 3: to to get get away from all these federal laws
Speaker 3: that stop us from doing uh you know what current
Speaker 3: society would call highly unethical things like anti aging, clinical trials,
Speaker 3: nuclear reactors, startups, different kind of construction that's not bound
Speaker 3: by all these you know, busy minded bureaucrats. Right.
Speaker 4: Well, I feel like a dummy because when you tease
Speaker 4: this topic earlier and asked the question, I thought it
Speaker 4: was a good thing. I thought me maybe wanted to
Speaker 4: live in a place where more science and technology was
Speaker 4: you know, valued and pushed forward. But I guess you're
Speaker 4: talking about like unchecked, potentially problematic science and technology.
Speaker 3: And back in twenty twenty three, current president US President
Speaker 3: Donald Trump kind of pitched the idea of creating ten
Speaker 3: freedom cities. The hardcore proponents of this will call them
Speaker 3: start up nations, and their concept is, or they're pitches
Speaker 3: that if you didn't have the FDA or the Nuclear
Speaker 3: Regulatory Commission or the Environmental Protection Agency, you know, the
Speaker 3: bad guys from Ghostbusters won that you would be able
Speaker 3: to jumpstart, jumpstart all sorts of innovation and you could
Speaker 3: really put some gas in the tank there. They're hoping
Speaker 3: currently this lobbying group to have drafted and ready to
Speaker 3: sign by the end of twenty twenty five. If you'd
Speaker 3: like to read more about this, you can check out
Speaker 3: an excellent article over on Wired Big Thanks to Caroline
Speaker 3: Haskins and Victoria Elliott, who wrote this. On March seventh,
Speaker 3: twenty twenty five, Startup Nation Group say they're meeting Trump
Speaker 3: officials to push for deregulated freedom cities. I got to
Speaker 3: tell you, it smells a lot like company towns with
Speaker 3: a new skin put on them.
Speaker 4: You know, boy, what very strange mean? Just to say again,
Speaker 4: like the sales pitch of this sounds great, and I
Speaker 4: was certainly taken by it because just full disclosure, I
Speaker 4: was not familiar with the story and I'm kind of
Speaker 4: learning about it in real time with everybody. But the
Speaker 4: way it sounds on paper, I'm cool with. But then
Speaker 4: you start digging into this company store aspect in the
Speaker 4: deregulation situation, it starts to feel a little more sketchy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the thing too. We see precedent not just
Speaker 3: in the idea of a company town, but we also
Speaker 3: see precedent in what are called special economic zones. These
Speaker 3: are things in other countries that have their own sort
Speaker 3: of bubbled rule of law and regulation right now. For instance,
Speaker 3: you can go to places like the island of Rotan
Speaker 3: in Honduras, they have they are home to a place
Speaker 3: called Prospera, which sounds like, you know, a pharmaceutical product.
Speaker 3: We'll get to the sacklers later tonight. Prospera the place
Speaker 3: has been attracting a bunch of tech workers and startups
Speaker 3: by promising very low taxes, no regulations, a very business
Speaker 3: friendly government. And it's the philosophical difference. This is another
Speaker 3: old episode we did on Ridiculous History. The philosophical difference
Speaker 3: is treating the public as civilians or citizens versus consumers
Speaker 3: or customers. And that's an episode that is worth a listen.
Speaker 3: Regardless of whether you're very pro freedom cities or you're
Speaker 3: very anti freedom cities. We've given you what the champions
Speaker 3: of this think. The people who are critics of this
Speaker 3: argue that existing in a place like this will remove
Speaker 3: the right of consent and will remove all sorts of
Speaker 3: the typical democratic rights of the public. So I'm wondering
Speaker 3: where we stand on this. By the way, the Honduran
Speaker 3: Congress and the Honduran government is kind of internally at
Speaker 3: odds and the idea of prosperity. The citizens don't love it.
Speaker 3: They say it makes it increases wealth, disparity and poverty.
Speaker 3: The former President of Honduras, Juan Orlando Hernandez. He loved Prospera,
Speaker 3: you know, maybe arguably because he was already at the
Speaker 3: top of the socioeconomic hierarchy. But he gave them a
Speaker 3: permanent charter. And it wasn't until twenty twenty two that
Speaker 3: Congress came back and said, look, we can't have this
Speaker 3: be going on. This is bad for the people of Honduras,
Speaker 3: you know, the people who can't afford to move from
Speaker 3: the area that is now Prospera. I don't know. There's
Speaker 3: an ongoing lawsuit as we record, and it's Prosperous suing
Speaker 3: the Honduran government. We have to wonder is this a
Speaker 3: one off? Is this a precedent? Would we see We
Speaker 3: talked about this in an episode or in Strange News
Speaker 3: a while back. Do you think do you guys think
Speaker 3: the United States would ever have new company towns? Well?
Speaker 2: I think okay. So in the situation with Prospera, it
Speaker 2: came into form in twenty thirteen, right, and like four
Speaker 2: years before that there was a pretty big coup situation,
Speaker 2: and then a couple of years later, like a whole
Speaker 2: truth and reconciliation situation there in Honduras and that instability
Speaker 2: created the right political and economic climate for these folks
Speaker 2: to move in and create Prospera. Right, so it does
Speaker 2: feel well and now and what they are suing, right
Speaker 2: because the new government is basically saying this is a
Speaker 2: bad idea, guys, yeah, and Prospero says, oh yeah, we're
Speaker 2: going to sue you for ten billion dollars which would
Speaker 2: cripple your entire country.
Speaker 3: Everybody raise your pinkies.
Speaker 4: Wait a minute, bit, but like, aren't these things staffed
Speaker 4: by like highly educated and specialized individuals who like have
Speaker 4: a lot of other opportunities available to them, Like, they're not,
Speaker 4: you know, forcing people to work in these situations, right,
Speaker 4: I mean, I'm just trying.
Speaker 3: To understand, not yet. But it's kind of like sesame credit.
Speaker 3: It always starts as an opt in thing until the
Speaker 3: choice that you have is later removed.
Speaker 2: Yes, right, So what I'm seeing here, Ben, is the
Speaker 2: thing you've been warning about for I don't even know
Speaker 2: how many years, This concept that potentially there will be
Speaker 2: a new country of sorts formed in one of these places, right,
Speaker 2: a new economic zone that then, let's say, maybe successfully
Speaker 2: sues its parent country country and then that becomes the
Speaker 2: new thing that everybody. Everybody has to now vote between
Speaker 2: either the government or somebody who represents the government, or Hey,
Speaker 2: this new Prospera place or this new Freedom Corporation.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the new region of southwestern North Oklahoma brought to
Speaker 3: you by me and dies and excellent and alphabet.
Speaker 4: Well, it doesn't seem too far off from like the
Speaker 4: kind of technocracy that we're finding ourselves in with, like
Speaker 4: you know, the unelected billionaire Elon Musk kind of running
Speaker 4: so many key parts of the government seemingly to the
Speaker 4: interests of his own companies to a certain degree. And
Speaker 4: you got to wonder, as a company big enough at
Speaker 4: a certain point and installed enough in a government that
Speaker 4: they then you know, kind of flout the rules and
Speaker 4: basically take over. I don't know, does that Does that
Speaker 4: make sense?
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the that's the precedent that critics are prognosticating, predicting,
Speaker 3: and fearing. You know, if we if we go to
Speaker 3: folks like trade Joff go O f f uh, the
Speaker 3: chief of staff of Prospera, then we'll see we'll see
Speaker 3: that there. Everybody is agreed there is some sort of
Speaker 3: conspiracy afoot. It's just the champions of freedom cities feel
Speaker 3: like they're conspiring to make a better world, and the
Speaker 3: critics feel like these guys are conspiring to engineer a
Speaker 3: new form of neo feudalism, right a dark technocracy. If
Speaker 3: we go just a little bit further on this, please
Speaker 3: check out Freedomcitiescoalition dot com. That is the website of
Speaker 3: the lobbying group that we're mentioning, and our paltray from
Speaker 3: Prospera says, look, our group has already briefed officials at
Speaker 3: the White House on not just the concept of freedom cities,
Speaker 3: but three ways to create them. One is through what
Speaker 3: they would call interstate compacts. Two or more states set
Speaker 3: aside territories with the same kind of bubble tax and
Speaker 3: regulatory policy. And then under existing law, these interstate compacts
Speaker 3: are very tough to revoke. You can dissolve them, but
Speaker 3: it's like, you know, it's like how it's tough to
Speaker 3: rescind an amendment in Congress. Once you get an amendment in,
Speaker 3: you have to have a huge majority of people in
Speaker 3: legislation to take it out. It's a sneaky way to
Speaker 3: get it into federal law. The other options are creating
Speaker 3: federal enclaves with special economic zones, or and this might
Speaker 3: be the most plausible option, having the White House whomever
Speaker 3: controls it, issue executive orders to create a city one
Speaker 3: by one.
Speaker 2: Uh huh okay, Yeah, it's making me think about that
Speaker 2: giant swath of land that was purchased out in California
Speaker 2: we talked about, yeah.
Speaker 4: Or Elon Musk's compound outside of Austin, Texas.
Speaker 3: Yeah. And then it gets tricky because if we're talking
Speaker 3: about private industries assuming something very close to the role
Speaker 3: of government, we have to ask ourselves are those private
Speaker 3: industries going to be US based or are they going
Speaker 3: to be industries from a foreign country that maybe doesn't
Speaker 3: have the same structure between like private and public caraffs cities.
Speaker 4: Can I just say that if you go to Prospera
Speaker 4: dot co, the background image is like a video. It's
Speaker 4: the most sci fi looking kind of culty almost you know,
Speaker 4: idyllic future city kind of pitch that I've ever seen,
Speaker 4: and so much crypto content in it. And you got
Speaker 4: to imagine too, that a lot of these free cities
Speaker 4: or free freedom cities would be it would be proposed
Speaker 4: that they would use the new currency. You know what
Speaker 4: I mean, like, I just feel like that's sort.
Speaker 3: Of the script kind of.
Speaker 4: I mean, that's that's a big thing about like questions
Speaker 4: about how the government is going to start investing social
Speaker 4: security or whatever if they dismantle it. Is this idea
Speaker 4: that am I start making risky bets and like, you know,
Speaker 4: speculative cryptocurrencies.
Speaker 2: We need a white lotus season in Prospera.
Speaker 4: Let's do it.
Speaker 3: M yeah, and we'll have Prospera produce it. I'm sure
Speaker 3: this is the issue on the table for many of
Speaker 3: us in the crowd. You might already be thinking ahead,
Speaker 3: like there are nobody likes to mention this, but there
Speaker 3: are objectively scientific innovations that could occur much faster were
Speaker 3: humanity not practicing a code of ethics, were there not
Speaker 3: hard regulations about human experimentation and so on, there would
Speaker 3: be horrifically high rate of attrition for a lot of things,
Speaker 3: but overall, arguably you would arrive at some breakthroughs faster
Speaker 3: than you would under the current regimen of rules.
Speaker 4: I know, man, the more I'm watching this Prospero video loop,
Speaker 4: the more it seems pretty nice. You got healthcare, dental,
Speaker 4: A Commissary Green spaces a pickleball court, and what else.
Speaker 3: Do you want?
Speaker 4: I'm down here. You can do some human experiments on
Speaker 4: me if I get to play pickleball for free, herey
Speaker 4: you go.
Speaker 3: And if you have a problem in a freedom city
Speaker 3: that it's kind of like having a problem as an
Speaker 3: employee of a corporation. That's another fear. You won't have
Speaker 3: a day in court. You might go to an arbitration board.
Speaker 3: And if you don't step right, as we used to say,
Speaker 3: then you could have consequences with no avenue for things
Speaker 3: like appeal, no avenue for things like habeas corpus and
Speaker 3: so on, because the federal government would then have to
Speaker 3: whatever that overall government is, would have to figure out
Speaker 3: how they interact with this increasingly autonomous nation state. There's
Speaker 3: a great graphic novel called Lazarus for anybody who likes
Speaker 3: graphic novel levels. It explores the dystopian end spectrum of
Speaker 3: corporate run global government and that in that there are
Speaker 3: three demographics. For there are a few companies that rule
Speaker 3: the world right regions thereof in those places, there are
Speaker 3: three demographics. There's the family, the ruling class. There's what
Speaker 3: are called the serfs, which are the skilled workers, and
Speaker 3: then everybody else is called waste. And the waste can
Speaker 3: disappear at a moment's notice. Their rights are severely curtailed,
Speaker 3: their avenue or access to information is highly limited. And
Speaker 3: that while that is science fiction and it's a great
Speaker 3: graphic novel series, it does, I would argue, speak to
Speaker 3: some real world concerns, especially now you know in the
Speaker 3: US where what forty eight New Mexico residents have just disappeared,
Speaker 3: and ICE doesn't know where, the ICE's lawyers don't know
Speaker 3: where they are. Everybody's ignoring the fact that people are
Speaker 3: ghosting in the US without their consent.
Speaker 2: Dude, imagine a physical place on this planet where autonomous
Speaker 2: security drone slash robots will be in place for the
Speaker 2: first time. Can you imagine a country, or a state
Speaker 2: or a city where that will happen. I can't imagine
Speaker 2: one that has a government like literally, I cannot imagine
Speaker 2: a place on this earth that would do that except
Speaker 2: an entrepreneur based freedom city.
Speaker 4: I have a scuba shop. There's a scuba shop on
Speaker 4: the premises.
Speaker 3: Come on, I can imagine. I can imagine that easily
Speaker 3: happening with a overar constructure that calls itself the government,
Speaker 3: sort of like how your substitute teacher might show up
Speaker 3: in class. You know, yeah, yeah, yeah, we are going
Speaker 3: to move on or time. But with this we would
Speaker 3: also naturally see an erosion of privacy, which reminds us
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Speaker 4: To make Alexa stop spying on me.
Speaker 3: No, I got in trouble for doing that joker earlier.
Speaker 3: Who was it? It was a few years back.
Speaker 4: We go, oh, we did that. We did a bunch
Speaker 4: of them in a row. I just did one. Guys
Speaker 4: come on and alexas talking to me, and she says
Speaker 4: she can't do.
Speaker 3: That, Dave. She could at least learn your name. But
Speaker 3: everyone be careful. We want to hear your thoughts on
Speaker 3: all of this, especially, we want to hear from people
Speaker 3: who are very anti or very pro Freedom City. Do
Speaker 3: you think this would actually happen? Do you think this
Speaker 3: is a company town, or do you think there is
Speaker 3: a net positive to removing all those regulations? Conspiracydiheartradio dot com.
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Speaker 4: plan including up to seven billion dollars of cash from
Speaker 4: the Sacklers themselves and their personal wealth. And you know,
Speaker 4: as let's under the deal, the family members just jumping
Speaker 4: off with the AP's reporting, estimated in documents from twenty
Speaker 4: twenty and twenty twenty one to be worth eleven billion,
Speaker 4: would give up ownership of the company in addition to
Speaker 4: contributing money over fifteen years, with the biggest payment upfront, okay,
Speaker 4: eleven billion in net worth collectively. It's just kind of
Speaker 4: making me think about what's going on right now with
Speaker 4: the stock market and with the loss of value of
Speaker 4: certain very very very wealthy individuals. It's like, if you're
Speaker 4: worth fifteen billion dollars, is you know, coughing up three
Speaker 4: billion of your net worth like that big a deal.
Speaker 4: I can't even imagine what a billion dollars even looks
Speaker 4: like or feels like. It just seems after a certain
Speaker 4: point people are just like hoarding their gold, you know,
Speaker 4: in their castles.
Speaker 3: Well, I mean, gold is a tangible asset though, and
Speaker 3: this is when you get past a certain threshold of
Speaker 3: currency or the concept of currency. You're talking about ideas,
Speaker 3: you're talking about articles of faith. This is very non
Speaker 3: freedom City. Yeah, so it's not giving Freedom City. But
Speaker 3: but Noel, this does sound like at least some sort
Speaker 3: of accountability. When I was reading these statements, I was
Speaker 3: seeing a couple of astis up to seven billion dollars,
Speaker 3: which is not the same thing as seven billion dollars.
Speaker 4: No, it's true, it's true.
Speaker 3: And none of the sacklers are facing any criminal charges, Like,
Speaker 3: no one's going to jail yet.
Speaker 4: Noah, No, not that we've heard. And you know, to me,
Speaker 4: that would be a more appropriate punishment or some kind
Speaker 4: of actual And if not, that's my point. I guess
Speaker 4: it's like, if you're worth that many billions of dollars,
Speaker 4: and yeah, going from eleven billion to just four billion,
Speaker 4: if you are coughing up that full seven billion, sure
Speaker 4: is a big hit. But also you're still you still
Speaker 4: have four billion dollars, which is more money than even
Speaker 4: makes sense to me. So it just kind of feels like,
Speaker 4: to your point, bend these articles of faith, is it
Speaker 4: really a huge sacrifice that's being made by these folks
Speaker 4: that are directly responsible for loss of lives and livelihoods
Speaker 4: and ruining families.
Speaker 2: Well, where what money goes to preventing this from happening?
Speaker 4: Again, that is a question makes it does not seem
Speaker 4: to be being addressed.
Speaker 2: Like how could you? I don't know, just how do
Speaker 2: you prevent a corporation like that and damage is done
Speaker 2: family from generating something that causes so much harm?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 3: Yeah, Okay, so I understand you now, because there are
Speaker 3: there are two related or ven diagrammed but distinct avenues there.
Speaker 3: The first question is how do we prevent that specific
Speaker 3: company from doing a thing right or other companies? Is
Speaker 3: there a preventative precedent set? And then the second thing
Speaker 3: is where does the money from a settlement go? That's
Speaker 3: that latter question is a little bit easier to answer
Speaker 3: because we I believe we discussed previously when this settlement
Speaker 3: was first starting to you know coalesce the idea of
Speaker 3: similar to like tobacco companies in those big settlements, they
Speaker 3: had to fund public awareness campaigns, they had to fund
Speaker 3: you know, resources for addiction, the resources for medical information,
Speaker 3: things like that. They're not quite defanged, but they're very
Speaker 3: dull canines when it comes to the bike.
Speaker 4: Sure, I mean yeah, but it's also like one of
Speaker 4: these things that I think ties into what we were
Speaker 4: talking about with freedom cities and the idea of deregulation,
Speaker 4: which seems like more the order of the day rather
Speaker 4: than further regulation, because that would kind of be the
Speaker 4: thing that could prevent other companies from doing something like this.
Speaker 4: And you know, if there is this effort to scale
Speaker 4: back any kind of oversight and regulation that I don't
Speaker 4: think there's any way that this isn't going to happen again.
Speaker 4: And not to mention that, you know, the damage has
Speaker 4: been done. They began this epidemic, you know, in the
Speaker 4: nineties and it very much, you know, kind of started
Speaker 4: top the dominoes leading up to where we are now
Speaker 4: with defentanyl crisis because that you know drug and the
Speaker 4: proliferation of that drug, if you think about it, is
Speaker 4: just a continuation of the availability of hard opioids that
Speaker 4: then when they were harder to get because of regulation
Speaker 4: and issues with oxy content, a lot of people pivoted
Speaker 4: to heroin.
Speaker 3: Well it was more affordable too, one hundred Percentially, if
Speaker 3: you don't find you know, a pill mill in your
Speaker 3: area or your doctor, this happens in the military too,
Speaker 3: when people get prescribed painkillers after an injury in the field,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, And they come back and eventually, unfortunately,
Speaker 3: that's a tale that pre dates oxycotin. That's true emergence
Speaker 3: onto the market in nineteen ninety six. Right. The idea
Speaker 3: is that people would end up being through one circumstance
Speaker 3: or another, not always their fault, they would get hooked
Speaker 3: on some very serious substances and they would be physically
Speaker 3: dependent upon those. So you have to have something like that.
Speaker 3: What are you going to do when the official doors closed,
Speaker 3: You're going to find another window into the house.
Speaker 4: I thought a piece of television that did a really
Speaker 4: good job of telling the story of the human cost
Speaker 4: of this whole thing was Dope Sick, which I think
Speaker 4: was based on a memoir of some kind by one
Speaker 4: of the doctors that was portrayed in the in the
Speaker 4: series by Michael Keaton. I think that's right, But it
Speaker 4: really does show not only the like how the sales
Speaker 4: people worked and the information they were being given, and
Speaker 4: how they were able these pharmacy reps were able to
Speaker 4: go out to these you know, hospitals and pitch their
Speaker 4: drug as being non addictive, but also how that trickled
Speaker 4: down to, like, you know, regular folks who were prescribed
Speaker 4: it legally and then ultimately just became completely strung out.
Speaker 4: I think it's a really well done show, and I
Speaker 4: do recommend that if you want to be reminded of
Speaker 4: the damage that this family did. So I don't know, Matt,
Speaker 4: does that kind of ensure what you were talking about, like,
Speaker 4: how do we what can be done? Is it even possible?
Speaker 4: Like I just feel like with the climate they we're
Speaker 4: in now, it's feeling less and less possible. And this feels,
Speaker 4: at the end of the day like a slap on
Speaker 4: the wrist to me.
Speaker 2: Well, any of these corporations can develop a drug, right
Speaker 2: that they can then test themselves and then bring in
Speaker 2: the regulators and pay some of them off and then
Speaker 2: make their way through and create something that becomes just
Speaker 2: as bad as this. All of the money, I mean,
Speaker 2: there's a breakdown on the AP News article that you
Speaker 2: linked to know that it does show exactly where the
Speaker 2: money goes. And you know, two hundred and ten million
Speaker 2: to the lawyers of local governments who've been fighting this
Speaker 2: battle for how many years now? You know, money that
Speaker 2: is going to go to individuals, but it'll probably be
Speaker 2: between three thousand and forty eight thousand dollars.
Speaker 3: And health insurers.
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh yeah, a trust for Native American tribes that
Speaker 2: were affected. There's incredible stuff.
Speaker 4: I didn't see this infographic, Matt, what a really excellent
Speaker 4: breakdown this is on the AP. I didn't realize that.
Speaker 4: So that's cool. Well, at least they are paying, you know,
Speaker 4: some sort of reparations to affected communities that I imagine
Speaker 4: would go into various treatment programs and at the very least,
Speaker 4: you know, counseling and stuff like that, because that stuff
Speaker 4: isn't available.
Speaker 2: But ultimately, this is money, and it's stated within that
Speaker 2: article to fight the opioid crisis, that's right, So it's
Speaker 2: money to fight the giant problem that the corporation created
Speaker 2: in the first place.
Speaker 4: Then that's so it's very positive.
Speaker 2: It's positive, but ultimately it's it's trying to fix the
Speaker 2: thing that is the crap show that we're already in.
Speaker 2: So like, yeah, I just wish there was money that
Speaker 2: was going to somehow setting up a way to penalize
Speaker 2: an organization that looks to create something as addictive and
Speaker 2: damaging as that drug was right.
Speaker 4: I'm with you. I don't know what that looks like
Speaker 4: those Yeah, no, no, I'm with you, And I will
Speaker 4: say too, there's amount of this that I don't know.
Speaker 4: The dollar amounts do seem meaningful, Like if you're talking
Speaker 4: about one hundred and forty million dollars for trust for
Speaker 4: Native American tribes that were affected infants affected by neonatal
Speaker 4: abstinence syndrome one hundred and fourteen million, that does seem
Speaker 4: like meaningful dollar amounts that could make a difference. But
Speaker 4: to your point, it does start to feel a little
Speaker 4: performative because it's like, way, way after the fact. And
Speaker 4: is any amount of money enough to fix what Purdue
Speaker 4: Pharma hathrought?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Well, I mean what three thousand, seven hundred dollars as
Speaker 2: the minimum right for an individual victim? That's enough for
Speaker 2: maybe a funeral maybe.
Speaker 4: With the sheep casket.
Speaker 2: Yeah well, but you know, up to forty eight thousand
Speaker 2: is that worth the life of somebody that was lost
Speaker 2: due to this stuff? And if you break down seven
Speaker 2: hundred and seventy eight point eight million dollars to individual victims,
Speaker 2: that's what it equals, three thousand, seven hundred to forty
Speaker 2: eight thousand depending on who you are and how you're fe.
Speaker 4: Well, there's that update, and yeah, I think it was
Speaker 4: an opportunity to catch up on just how messed up
Speaker 4: the whole situation was. So I will just leave you
Speaker 4: with one more story. This one. It's pretty wild, y'all.
Speaker 4: It feels it reminds me immediately of that episode of
Speaker 4: the Twilight Zone terror at thirty thousand feet, I think,
Speaker 4: where it was like William Shatner is being terrorized on
Speaker 4: an airplane. He already has like horrible anxiety about flying,
Speaker 4: and then he sees this like gremlin on the wing
Speaker 4: and he just, you know, basically he's losing his mind.
Speaker 4: Throughout the course of this episode, something very very similar
Speaker 4: happened out of our state of Georgia and Savannah. A
Speaker 4: passenger absolutely went ballistic physically violent behavior, lashing out at
Speaker 4: crew members at fellow passengers due to what would appear,
Speaker 4: at least as described by this individual as some form
Speaker 4: of either demonic possession or belief that there were demonic
Speaker 4: forces present on this flight that had followed this individual.
Speaker 4: The individual in question is named Delanngea Augustine. He's thirty
Speaker 4: one years old and on a flight leaving American Airlines
Speaker 4: flight from Savannah, Georgia to Miami. He began to convulse
Speaker 4: and shake. Initially, a lot of the attendants on board
Speaker 4: thought that he was having some sort of medical emergency,
Speaker 4: like a seizure, but he, in fact, it was later determined,
Speaker 4: believe that a demonic spirit had entered the cabin of
Speaker 4: this aircraft. He you know, kicked and punched folks on
Speaker 4: the plane. One of them he kicked so hard in
Speaker 4: the chest that an attendant, a flight attendant, actually tumbled,
Speaker 4: you know, and flew across the aisle into a window
Speaker 4: on the other side of the plane. This is all
Speaker 4: according to an arrest report. Yeah, it's a quote from
Speaker 4: Savannah Solomon, who's a special agent with the FBI. In
Speaker 4: this New York Times piece about it. Augustine's choices appeared purposeful,
Speaker 4: though difficult to describe. After a certain point, he swallowed
Speaker 4: his rosary beats, you know, purposefully, claiming that later that
Speaker 4: it was a protective means to guard him against the
Speaker 4: demonic forces on board. I mean, everything about this just
Speaker 4: is like feels like something you'd see in a film,
Speaker 4: you know, and it's very scary. And it turns out
Speaker 4: his sister when they were detained, said that they had
Speaker 4: been fleeing Haiti due to spiritual oppression of some kind,
Speaker 4: oppressive forces that were following them, and that they were
Speaker 4: trying to escape from the words in particular, were to
Speaker 4: flee religious attacks of a spiritual nature. His sister was
Speaker 4: told by mister Augustin to close her eyes and pray
Speaker 4: because Satan's disciples had followed them onto the plane and
Speaker 4: the legion did not want the Augustines to make it
Speaker 4: back to Haiti. And that's when he swallowed the rosary
Speaker 4: beads and he referred to them as a weapon of
Speaker 4: strength and the spiritual warfare. Only about eight other passengers
Speaker 4: were on the plane. It must have been one of
Speaker 4: those short little hopper puddle jumper type planes, and no
Speaker 4: one was seriously injured, and you know, the crew apparently
Speaker 4: acted very efficiently and quickly. He is facing charges, most
Speaker 4: of which are misdemeanor's battery, obstruction of law enforcement, and
Speaker 4: one felon account of criminal property damage. There have not
Speaker 4: been any statements from a lawyer representing mister Augustin, So, yeah,
Speaker 4: what do you guys think about that? It's a real
Speaker 4: as real horror show.
Speaker 2: There that's an intense situation where it feels like the
Speaker 2: personal belief so the family affected a lot of other
Speaker 2: people and also some kind of situation. It's interesting. There's
Speaker 2: a quote in the USA Today article that you posted here, Noel,
Speaker 2: where the family of this man who's experiencing all this
Speaker 2: stuff says, I didn't what was it. The quote was
Speaker 2: she was surprised that he had hurt anyone because quote,
Speaker 2: he hurts evil, so like he is a spiritual warrior
Speaker 2: of some sort in the belief of the family.
Speaker 4: It just feels Jesus is also a mental health story,
Speaker 4: and we know there's a lot of intersection between hardcore
Speaker 4: spiritual beliefs and you know, mental illness that can kind
Speaker 4: of synergistically affect one another and create sort of like
Speaker 4: a whole new situation.
Speaker 3: You know, mental health struggles are very much real, and
Speaker 3: we do know that there's something about the contained environment
Speaker 3: of a plane that can I don't know, you we
Speaker 3: don't hear the stories about the plane flights that go
Speaker 3: well where everybody on the plane behaves. We hear, you know,
Speaker 3: people who maybe are having a mental break, maybe hallucinating.
Speaker 3: It is going to be a story to keep an
Speaker 3: eye on, and we wish the or I wish the
Speaker 3: person in their family the best.
Speaker 4: Oh same, no, no question, I mean it does. It
Speaker 4: breaks my heart in away. I mean, this is obviously
Speaker 4: someone who has a very strong spiritual belief and if
Speaker 4: you want to take what his sister's saying and face value,
Speaker 4: doesn't seem like someone who would typically lash out and
Speaker 4: try to injure people, you know. So yeah, my heart
Speaker 4: goes out to them as well, and definitely something to
Speaker 4: keep an eye on. But let's let's pause here, take
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Speaker 2: It's wonderful. Okay, let's talk about being stranded, you guys,
Speaker 2: having no way out, like if you're on that plane
Speaker 2: we just discussed, right, just having there's something occurring and
Speaker 2: you cannot escape physically.
Speaker 3: Sure, or like being in a freedom city that you're
Speaker 3: born in.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, and you just don't know anything else outside
Speaker 2: of it, and perhaps the perimeter is patrolled by robot
Speaker 2: dogs with giant weaz f flamethrowers.
Speaker 3: At least you could leave after paid a reasonable fee.
Speaker 3: It's like the Hotel California, you can check out any
Speaker 3: time you can't leave, or you know, being a bean
Speaker 3: in space or yeah, being in a place you can't
Speaker 3: walk away. It reminds me one thing, just a quick
Speaker 3: note here. Met One thing that I think shocks a
Speaker 3: lot of people and they're traveling internationally, is some countries
Speaker 3: charge you a fee when you arrive, but then some
Speaker 3: other countries charge you a fee to leave.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I did not know.
Speaker 2: That now, so hey, that's a really great point. There
Speaker 2: is definitely a fee to leave the International Space Station
Speaker 2: once you get up there, because we're and it's not
Speaker 2: just a little fee. Well you don't have to pay
Speaker 2: it necessarily, but somebody does, to the tune of millions
Speaker 2: of dollars. So back gosh, this was last year, just
Speaker 2: before the summer. Maybe it was late June, early July,
Speaker 2: when we talked about two astronauts that went up to
Speaker 2: the International Space Station on the very first, very exciting
Speaker 2: Boeing Starliner spacecraft. It was the first time that humans
Speaker 2: were going to be on there, actually traveling up to
Speaker 2: the ISS, and they did it. They made it there.
Speaker 3: Well.
Speaker 2: Once they got there, Boeing realized, oh, there's a lot
Speaker 2: of problems with our Starliner craft here, so we can't
Speaker 2: actually send you back the way we wanted to, you know,
Speaker 2: within a couple of days time there. So you're gonna
Speaker 2: need to hang tight and we'll figure out the problem
Speaker 2: and then you'll be good to go. That turned into
Speaker 2: a couple of months, and then a couple more months,
Speaker 2: and it turned into from early June twenty twenty four
Speaker 2: to this week. Oh, actually last week, as you're hearing this,
Speaker 2: when two NASA astronauts Butch Wilmore and Sonny Williams, finally
Speaker 2: made it back to Earth, but not via a Boeing craft,
Speaker 2: via a SpaceX craft. This is just an update, guys.
Speaker 2: There's a ton of ton of writing about this, and
Speaker 2: it's big in the news, like, oh my gosh, the
Speaker 2: astronauts are back. We did it, Hurrah. And then it's
Speaker 2: being politicized just because of the fact that SpaceX is
Speaker 2: the one the company. They got him down right, it's
Speaker 2: being stuff out there. The previous president did it wrong,
Speaker 2: the new president did it right, and all this other stuff.
Speaker 3: Ultimately the presidents who knows the president of Freedom Town,
Speaker 3: Red white and Blue Land and all that stuff.
Speaker 2: But it does none of that matters. What matters is
Speaker 2: the two human beings who are awesome astronauts made it
Speaker 2: back to Earth.
Speaker 4: Yes, it's cool.
Speaker 2: Two other astronauts came down with them, Nick and Alexander,
Speaker 2: which is which is cool, and they made it out.
Speaker 2: Everybody's safe, and a bunch of dolphins apparently a whole
Speaker 2: pot of it, yes, which is it's just nice. That's
Speaker 2: just nice to hear.
Speaker 4: Folks.
Speaker 3: Tell us where you think about this, because all right,
Speaker 3: here's my theory, Matt Noel. Are those dolphins going to
Speaker 3: come back and say that they saw UFO thanks for
Speaker 3: all the fish. I hope that they are currently conspiracy
Speaker 3: squeaking right now? You know this is real.
Speaker 4: We saw a sorry, yeah, it's good.
Speaker 2: Well, it was the biggest crash we've ever heard, right,
Speaker 2: and then we went and checked it out, and there's
Speaker 2: a bunch of creatures on it.
Speaker 3: And why won't Dolphin government tell the truth about what's
Speaker 3: going on there at the top of the water.
Speaker 2: Yeah, what were those appendages they had that had little
Speaker 2: tiny appendages on them? Ale weird. So anyway, that's a
Speaker 2: cool story, guys. We're going to jump to another form
Speaker 2: of being stranded that we've talked about on the show before,
Speaker 2: traveling out to the frozen wastes of Antarctica and existing
Speaker 2: on a research station and what it's like to know
Speaker 2: that you have to wait for a very specific ship
Speaker 2: to make a very dangerous trek out to where you are,
Speaker 2: and then you have to take a very dangerous trek
Speaker 2: out to where that ship is in order for any
Speaker 2: supplies to come in, in order for any people to
Speaker 2: arrive or to leave. Very let's just say I was
Speaker 2: going to use the word precarious. It's a it's a
Speaker 2: fragile existence, right.
Speaker 3: It's a battle episode because a bottle knows because there's
Speaker 3: such a small group.
Speaker 2: Yes, So, so imagine that you are one of nine
Speaker 2: people existing on a far flung research station in Antarctica. Uh,
Speaker 2: and the only way in or out is by ship,
Speaker 2: and the only way to get to that ship is
Speaker 2: to take basically a small uh they call them, they
Speaker 2: don't call them snowmobiles, they call them something else, but
Speaker 2: a small snowmobile out to a larger vehicle, and then
Speaker 2: take that slow, large vehicle down far, far away to
Speaker 2: where a ship could arrive. Imagine somebody one of the
Speaker 2: other nine people with you is getting real violent and
Speaker 2: making threats, like threatening lives, and you're stuck in You know,
Speaker 2: it's a fairly large station, the one we're going to
Speaker 2: talk about, but it's also very claustrophobic. There's not a
Speaker 2: lot of large open spaces there, and on the other
Speaker 2: side of the wall, every wall is just snow and
Speaker 2: negative thirty degrees celsius weather.
Speaker 3: And HP Lovecraft monsters, Mountains of Madness. Yeah, yes, we're
Speaker 3: talking about Sinai, right.
Speaker 2: Yes, the the Sinai for base that's in Antarctica. It
Speaker 2: is run by South Africa. It is officially their base.
Speaker 2: And there was an email sent to a journalist from
Speaker 2: one of the people who is currently staying on that
Speaker 2: base saying that another team member had physically assaulted a
Speaker 2: colleague and threatened to kill another colleague. This email also
Speaker 2: alleged some sexual assault that is a little weird because
Speaker 2: South African officials came through and said after investigation that
Speaker 2: specific instance of sexual assault was not correct. But we
Speaker 2: don't have all the details that is being kept by
Speaker 2: whatever investigation was made there. We do know that there
Speaker 2: was an individual on that base that did seem to
Speaker 2: become violent, both in words and in actions, and it
Speaker 2: just reminded me of some of the films that we've
Speaker 2: seen over the years, or reminded me of the psychological
Speaker 2: place you are in when you are in a far
Speaker 2: flung place like that, feeling like there's no way out,
Speaker 2: there's nothing you could even do. What am I going
Speaker 2: to do? Send an email, which is what this person did, right,
Speaker 2: Please help via email. It just doesn't seem like you're
Speaker 2: going to get any help anytime.
Speaker 3: Soon, especially the closest other physical basis like one hundred
Speaker 3: and ninety miles away, right.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, so you could, I guess escape if you
Speaker 2: wanted to an attempt to make it to the other place,
Speaker 2: but the chances that you make it there safely are not.
Speaker 4: Great, especially this time of year.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, oh yeah, it's not a great time of
Speaker 2: year because everybody on that base is going to have
Speaker 2: to stay there until I think December. Like that's like
Speaker 2: they're locked there basically until December.
Speaker 3: Because the hemispheres have opposing seasonal shifts. So yes, right
Speaker 3: now in the very lowest part of the hemisphere, not
Speaker 3: to be too normalizing the northern normalizing of the Northern hemisphere,
Speaker 3: but in Antarctica right now, the weather is turning increasingly
Speaker 3: hostile for travel.
Speaker 2: You're snowedd Yes, unless a corporation or country or group
Speaker 2: decided to spend a ton of money and send a
Speaker 2: ship out there to do some kind of a urgency
Speaker 2: evacuation or emergency intervention. Which again, just like on it's
Speaker 2: not quite as expensive as you know, the whole SpaceX
Speaker 2: saving them and all that stuff out in space, but
Speaker 2: it's pretty close when it comes to just the expenses
Speaker 2: that someone would have to incur to save.
Speaker 3: You, and the dangers also there are very MiG Even
Speaker 3: if you have a state level entity doing an exfiltration
Speaker 3: on this, they're still going to be rolling the dice
Speaker 3: a little bit.
Speaker 4: Ah exactly.
Speaker 2: So, guys, all of this is making me think about
Speaker 2: being somewhat stranded here on planet Earth because in both cases,
Speaker 2: the individuals on the Sinai Research Station, the people who
Speaker 2: are out on iss they made it or the concept
Speaker 2: right is you make it to safety, you make it
Speaker 2: to a place that is that feels maybe more like home,
Speaker 2: that feels like I'm no longer in danger. We're currently
Speaker 2: all of us. If you can hear this existing on
Speaker 2: planet Earth, right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's the first spaceship when you think about it.
Speaker 2: At least that we're aware of, right, And it's making
Speaker 2: me think about more of that stuff out there, right,
Speaker 2: connecting it back up to space. And there was this
Speaker 2: documentary that really caught my eye. I've not seen the
Speaker 2: film yet, I've only watched the trailer, but when I
Speaker 2: watched the trailer and then did a little digging, it
Speaker 2: reminded me of the first time we talked about the
Speaker 2: Disclosure Project, Stephen Greer's thing that he put together out
Speaker 2: in Washington in two thousand. This concept of bringing together
Speaker 2: as many individual human beings that have true access to
Speaker 2: government programs, especially those special programs that we've talked about
Speaker 2: on in this show before, where only a couple of
Speaker 2: members of Congress, sometimes only a couple senators sometimes even
Speaker 2: know that they exist. This documentary, it's called Age of Disclosure,
Speaker 2: brings together around thirty human beings that have real access
Speaker 2: to these programs like a TIP and programs like the
Speaker 2: ones that are that followed a TIP that are happening
Speaker 2: right now that are looking at unidentified anomaloust phenomena, which
Speaker 2: is what they call it now, and they are coming
Speaker 2: forward in this documentary and saying, yes, non human intelligence exists.
Speaker 2: It has been here for a long time. The technology
Speaker 2: has been here for a long time. We are currently
Speaker 2: in a cold war with every other country on the planet,
Speaker 2: especially the United States and China and Russia, and that
Speaker 2: cold war is all about taking this crashed technology or
Speaker 2: technology that has been encountered that is not of this
Speaker 2: world and somehow reverse engineering it. And they are saying
Speaker 2: that the first country or superpower that successfully reverse engineers
Speaker 2: it will be the next dominant hegemonic power on this planet.
Speaker 3: Ooh, and they're not saying, by the way, I love
Speaker 3: that you're playing this out, Matt, because it's something we
Speaker 3: point out. Obviously, no one has said definitely extra terrestrial.
Speaker 3: The confirmed phrase that is being used by a lot
Speaker 3: of people who are experts in their fields is non
Speaker 3: human in origin, and that's a hell of a umbrella phrase.
Speaker 2: Well, some of the folks in there. I think they
Speaker 2: use the aliens wordy.
Speaker 3: In the trailer at least. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well, from what I'm reading about the documentary, so people
Speaker 2: who were at south By Southwest this year were able
Speaker 2: to see it. That's where it premiered. And and the
Speaker 2: interesting thing to me, guys, is that there are there
Speaker 2: appears to be bipartisan support when it comes to the
Speaker 2: two party system in this country, for more money being
Speaker 2: thrown at this concept, for more transparency about this idea.
Speaker 2: You've got people like Marco Rubio, people little Micah, Yeah,
Speaker 2: the Secretary of State, Mark Rubio. You've got Kristen I
Speaker 2: don't know how to say her name, Gillibrand Gillibrand she's
Speaker 2: from New York, she's a senator. You've got uh, there's
Speaker 2: there's several other lawmakers from both sides of the aisle
Speaker 2: who are saying, hey, we need to do more with
Speaker 2: this thing. This is really important. And then you got
Speaker 2: people from the intelligence side, from the Pentagon, from people
Speaker 2: who are career Pentagon officials coming forward and saying, yeah,
Speaker 2: this is this is absolutely real. It's time for us
Speaker 2: to take this seriously and tell people because we've been
Speaker 2: keeping it secret for so long. It's always in a
Speaker 2: lot of these documentaries. It's talked about as in, it's
Speaker 2: the alien thing, right, it's the concept of aliens. Oh,
Speaker 2: there's all these possibilities with aliens. What this is focused on,
Speaker 2: at least to my understanding, is this arms race essentially
Speaker 2: that we're all locked into.
Speaker 3: Because it's a it's a defense threat at this point.
Speaker 2: To everybody, and and everybody wants the new thing because
Speaker 2: whoever gets it first, whoever drops that technology first, wins,
Speaker 2: at least according to the folks in this documentary. But
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