1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:04,680 Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 2 00:00:04,760 --> 00:00:09,080 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:09,160 --> 00:00:12,119 Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A 4 00:00:12,200 --> 00:00:17,560 Speaker 1: production of iHeartRadio. 5 00:00:25,120 --> 00:00:27,080 Speaker 2: Welcome back to the show. My name is Matt, my 6 00:00:27,160 --> 00:00:27,800 Speaker 2: name is Noah. 7 00:00:28,120 --> 00:00:31,000 Speaker 3: They call me Ben. We're joined as always with our 8 00:00:31,120 --> 00:00:35,479 Speaker 3: super producer, Dylan the Tennessee pal Fagot. Most importantly, you 9 00:00:35,640 --> 00:00:39,400 Speaker 3: are you. You are here. That makes this the stuff 10 00:00:39,479 --> 00:00:44,040 Speaker 3: they don't want you to know. Fellow conspiracy realist friends 11 00:00:44,040 --> 00:00:47,640 Speaker 3: and neighbors, if you are listening to our strange news 12 00:00:47,640 --> 00:00:50,879 Speaker 3: segment the week or the day it publishes, let us 13 00:00:50,920 --> 00:00:55,040 Speaker 3: be the first to welcome you to Monday, March twenty fourth. 14 00:00:55,280 --> 00:00:56,880 Speaker 3: How's it going, guys, how are we feeling? 15 00:00:57,080 --> 00:01:01,400 Speaker 4: Welcome to the middle of the film. That's money, Piper, 16 00:01:01,600 --> 00:01:04,160 Speaker 4: that's going good. I'm feeling like a giant nerd today 17 00:01:04,280 --> 00:01:04,800 Speaker 4: as usual. 18 00:01:05,640 --> 00:01:09,800 Speaker 2: Nice. I am just for some reason craving Ntella. I 19 00:01:09,920 --> 00:01:12,480 Speaker 2: just wanted to tell her right now. I don't know, because. 20 00:01:14,480 --> 00:01:17,880 Speaker 4: Yeah, probably that was to deal with palm oil. Palm 21 00:01:17,920 --> 00:01:21,080 Speaker 4: oil bad, right. We don't like palm oil because it's 22 00:01:21,280 --> 00:01:25,399 Speaker 4: I think, isn't it harvested historically by slave labor and South. 23 00:01:25,440 --> 00:01:28,840 Speaker 3: Well, I mean if you hate orangutanks, then palm oil 24 00:01:28,959 --> 00:01:29,520 Speaker 3: is awesome. 25 00:01:30,240 --> 00:01:31,960 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, look it's got palm oil in it. 26 00:01:32,319 --> 00:01:32,520 Speaker 1: Yeah. 27 00:01:33,880 --> 00:01:37,800 Speaker 3: No, we we are not here to exclusively ruin wholesome 28 00:01:37,880 --> 00:01:41,240 Speaker 3: good things. But maybe we pop the top on this 29 00:01:41,280 --> 00:01:46,200 Speaker 3: would by giving everybody some news that some strange news 30 00:01:46,240 --> 00:01:53,000 Speaker 3: that may make confirm some of our fellow listeners firsthand experiences. 31 00:01:53,040 --> 00:01:57,400 Speaker 3: It may also be a nice uh whatever the opposite 32 00:01:57,440 --> 00:02:00,320 Speaker 3: of a palate cleanser is to our earlier episod it 33 00:02:00,360 --> 00:02:03,440 Speaker 3: on social media. What's the opposite of a palate cleanser? 34 00:02:03,680 --> 00:02:04,360 Speaker 3: You guys. 35 00:02:05,640 --> 00:02:10,960 Speaker 2: Eat a lot of flavor bomb flavor explosions. 36 00:02:11,120 --> 00:02:18,080 Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, a palette blocker, a palette annihilator, yeah, a 37 00:02:18,160 --> 00:02:22,079 Speaker 3: palette stem here all right, Uh, here's the news that broke. 38 00:02:22,200 --> 00:02:26,960 Speaker 3: Financial Times covered it, Gizmoto covered it, Futurism covered it. 39 00:02:27,400 --> 00:02:32,919 Speaker 3: Human intelligence does appear to be sharply declining depending upon 40 00:02:33,240 --> 00:02:37,400 Speaker 3: how human intelligence is measured. What do we mean by this? 41 00:02:38,160 --> 00:02:44,240 Speaker 3: Assessments from multiple institutions are showing that people across demographics 42 00:02:44,240 --> 00:02:48,880 Speaker 3: and across age groups are having trouble concentrating a losing 43 00:02:49,240 --> 00:02:55,280 Speaker 3: reasoning problem. Solving, critical thinking, and information processing skills. So 44 00:02:55,480 --> 00:02:59,239 Speaker 3: the way that they are measuring intelligence in these studies 45 00:03:00,120 --> 00:03:04,120 Speaker 3: does appear to confirm some of the things that we 46 00:03:04,240 --> 00:03:09,640 Speaker 3: discussed in our episode on social media versus attention span. 47 00:03:10,040 --> 00:03:14,480 Speaker 3: But I think Noel, you raised a really salient point 48 00:03:14,560 --> 00:03:20,600 Speaker 3: that's been on everybody's mind earlier, which was perhaps cognitive 49 00:03:20,639 --> 00:03:25,880 Speaker 3: processing ability. It's not necessarily part of it is attroby, 50 00:03:26,120 --> 00:03:28,600 Speaker 3: but it's not necessarily disappearing. 51 00:03:28,680 --> 00:03:29,560 Speaker 4: It's being shifted. 52 00:03:30,040 --> 00:03:35,240 Speaker 3: It's being shifted or it's transforming to other priorities in 53 00:03:35,680 --> 00:03:38,520 Speaker 3: the great mystery box called the human brain. 54 00:03:39,120 --> 00:03:41,320 Speaker 4: Do you remember that story we covered either here on 55 00:03:41,400 --> 00:03:45,000 Speaker 4: Ridiculous History about like the decline of intelligence during the 56 00:03:45,080 --> 00:03:49,360 Speaker 4: Roman Empire likely attributed to Lead led. I don't think 57 00:03:49,360 --> 00:03:55,280 Speaker 4: we can blame Lead for this necessarily. They go plastic 58 00:03:55,320 --> 00:03:58,440 Speaker 4: in our balls, ruminated everything. 59 00:03:58,680 --> 00:04:04,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, we can say that there are chemical substances that definitely, 60 00:04:04,280 --> 00:04:09,920 Speaker 3: especially informative years for humans, They can affect cognition, they 61 00:04:09,920 --> 00:04:16,400 Speaker 3: can affect later things like impulse control and critical thought. 62 00:04:16,040 --> 00:04:19,719 Speaker 3: This goes to here, let's cite let's cite a few 63 00:04:19,760 --> 00:04:24,640 Speaker 3: sources as we kick it off. We'll go to nor 64 00:04:24,760 --> 00:04:31,200 Speaker 3: Al Sabai writing for Futurism, who points out the University 65 00:04:31,200 --> 00:04:35,760 Speaker 3: of Michigan's Monitoring the Future study looked at what they 66 00:04:35,800 --> 00:04:43,520 Speaker 3: call concentration difficulty of eighteen year old people in America 67 00:04:43,600 --> 00:04:44,080 Speaker 3: and then. 68 00:04:44,080 --> 00:04:47,720 Speaker 4: Forty year old people in America. I can relate. Concentration 69 00:04:47,920 --> 00:04:51,560 Speaker 4: is hard, yeah, and getting harder. It seems, uh huh. 70 00:04:51,600 --> 00:04:55,680 Speaker 3: And they said, you know, look at these other studies, 71 00:04:55,760 --> 00:04:59,479 Speaker 3: like the Program for International Student Assessment or that's a 72 00:04:59,560 --> 00:05:05,360 Speaker 3: standing institution. Their whole deal is to measure learning skills 73 00:05:05,400 --> 00:05:09,440 Speaker 3: of adolescents around the world. And after years of research, 74 00:05:09,839 --> 00:05:15,400 Speaker 3: really deep research, they found that people seem to universally 75 00:05:15,440 --> 00:05:22,520 Speaker 3: be struggling with reduced attention spans and weakening critical thinking skills. 76 00:05:23,120 --> 00:05:26,279 Speaker 3: Just in twenty twenty two, Oh, the pandemic was a 77 00:05:26,279 --> 00:05:29,599 Speaker 3: game changer for US. In twenty twenty two, the National 78 00:05:29,680 --> 00:05:32,640 Speaker 3: Endowment for the Arts found that just thirty seven point 79 00:05:32,800 --> 00:05:37,920 Speaker 3: six percent of Americans US residents said they'd read a 80 00:05:37,960 --> 00:05:41,479 Speaker 3: novel or a short story in twenty twenty one. 81 00:05:42,040 --> 00:05:44,320 Speaker 4: Remember I told you Ben that on our trip to 82 00:05:44,360 --> 00:05:46,760 Speaker 4: the Middle East, I was really hoping to read a 83 00:05:46,800 --> 00:05:48,960 Speaker 4: whole book, And so I bought the twenty twenty four 84 00:05:49,080 --> 00:05:53,080 Speaker 4: collection of the best American short Stories. I am proud 85 00:05:53,120 --> 00:05:56,400 Speaker 4: to reveal that I did read the forward, the introduction, 86 00:05:56,680 --> 00:05:59,359 Speaker 4: and one story in thirty Hours of Flying. 87 00:06:00,160 --> 00:06:01,880 Speaker 3: The first story was good, very good. 88 00:06:01,960 --> 00:06:04,520 Speaker 4: It was called The Magic Bangle, and I highly recommend it. 89 00:06:04,520 --> 00:06:06,640 Speaker 4: And I'm really looking forward to digging in because I figured, 90 00:06:06,720 --> 00:06:08,560 Speaker 4: you know, I mean, maybe this is good advice for 91 00:06:08,600 --> 00:06:11,280 Speaker 4: anybody that's struggling with this. I just kind of figured, like, 92 00:06:11,640 --> 00:06:13,919 Speaker 4: we read a lot of bite sized stuff. I really 93 00:06:13,920 --> 00:06:16,120 Speaker 4: want to finish a book, so why not read a 94 00:06:16,160 --> 00:06:17,680 Speaker 4: book full of bite sized stuff. 95 00:06:18,279 --> 00:06:21,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, And some of the world's best novels are written 96 00:06:21,800 --> 00:06:25,440 Speaker 3: in that way. For instance, you know, a great, a 97 00:06:25,480 --> 00:06:31,000 Speaker 3: great debate covering The Things They Carried is whether that 98 00:06:31,040 --> 00:06:35,440 Speaker 3: should be evaluated as a cohesive novel or whether it's 99 00:06:35,520 --> 00:06:39,480 Speaker 3: a series of interrelated short stories. And what is life 100 00:06:39,680 --> 00:06:43,480 Speaker 3: really except for a series of inter related short stories? 101 00:06:45,000 --> 00:06:49,920 Speaker 3: With that. With that, folks, we do not abjure, but 102 00:06:50,000 --> 00:06:55,239 Speaker 3: we do encourage you to spend some time in deep thought, 103 00:06:55,640 --> 00:06:58,880 Speaker 3: you know, to take some time and for I don't, 104 00:06:59,120 --> 00:07:02,960 Speaker 3: I'll be on a here as everybody's accountabil a buddy, h. 105 00:07:03,520 --> 00:07:06,160 Speaker 3: I have to put my phone away now when I read, 106 00:07:06,279 --> 00:07:10,680 Speaker 3: because we're just so it's so normalized. We're so acclimated 107 00:07:10,720 --> 00:07:14,240 Speaker 3: to always having a thing that we check just in 108 00:07:14,360 --> 00:07:16,080 Speaker 3: case something new has. 109 00:07:15,960 --> 00:07:19,120 Speaker 4: Happens, that dopamine casino we carry around in our pockets. 110 00:07:19,160 --> 00:07:22,119 Speaker 4: Like I actually recently invested in one of those mag 111 00:07:22,240 --> 00:07:24,840 Speaker 4: charger things that sits by my bed, So when I 112 00:07:24,960 --> 00:07:27,240 Speaker 4: charge my phone now, I put it on that thing 113 00:07:27,440 --> 00:07:29,720 Speaker 4: and close the door on the other side of the house. 114 00:07:29,760 --> 00:07:32,200 Speaker 4: And I've been trying to listen to records and be 115 00:07:32,280 --> 00:07:34,400 Speaker 4: more intentional with the stuff I do and try not 116 00:07:34,520 --> 00:07:36,760 Speaker 4: to think about that thing. And it's it's, you know, 117 00:07:36,800 --> 00:07:38,920 Speaker 4: working to a degree, but it's still not easy. I 118 00:07:38,960 --> 00:07:41,320 Speaker 4: do feel that drive to go check it in the 119 00:07:41,400 --> 00:07:41,840 Speaker 4: other room. 120 00:07:41,920 --> 00:07:44,760 Speaker 2: Can we pause for a moment. A vocabulary word of 121 00:07:44,760 --> 00:07:48,760 Speaker 2: the day abjure. Please let us know abjure? 122 00:07:49,440 --> 00:07:49,840 Speaker 3: Yeah. 123 00:07:49,880 --> 00:07:52,240 Speaker 4: Does that mean kind of like to poo poo, something 124 00:07:52,720 --> 00:07:55,840 Speaker 4: like to speak negatively or to reject. 125 00:07:56,720 --> 00:08:00,560 Speaker 3: It means to uh, it's it's like to renown. Here 126 00:08:00,560 --> 00:08:07,080 Speaker 3: we go disavowed. So I I should have used admonish. 127 00:08:11,040 --> 00:08:12,560 Speaker 4: No, no, no, no, no. 128 00:08:12,600 --> 00:08:18,960 Speaker 2: We just some of us don't know words. 129 00:08:17,000 --> 00:08:20,280 Speaker 3: So we don't so we're not The point is we're 130 00:08:20,320 --> 00:08:24,800 Speaker 3: not yelling at you we're not yelling at ourselves, but 131 00:08:24,960 --> 00:08:27,560 Speaker 3: we're we're all working towards this, and we'd love to 132 00:08:27,600 --> 00:08:32,400 Speaker 3: hear from fellow conspiracy realists who are in charge of younglings. 133 00:08:33,000 --> 00:08:36,240 Speaker 3: How how do you handle uh the screen time? How 134 00:08:36,280 --> 00:08:41,800 Speaker 3: do you handle the creation of uh capacity for critical 135 00:08:41,840 --> 00:08:44,679 Speaker 3: thinking and deep thought? While you're doing that, we're going 136 00:08:44,760 --> 00:08:49,560 Speaker 3: to give you a cavalcade of somewhat related stories. We're 137 00:08:49,559 --> 00:08:52,719 Speaker 3: going to talk about eggs, of course, We're going to 138 00:08:52,760 --> 00:08:56,840 Speaker 3: follow up on Purdue Pharma. We're going to finally catch 139 00:08:56,880 --> 00:09:00,679 Speaker 3: up with Satan's disciples. Uh, We'll we'll talk about disclosure. 140 00:09:01,120 --> 00:09:04,080 Speaker 3: We got some shout outs to the ends of the 141 00:09:04,120 --> 00:09:07,760 Speaker 3: Earth literally, a story we've all been following in Antarctica, 142 00:09:08,440 --> 00:09:12,640 Speaker 3: story we've been following in space. But before we do 143 00:09:12,720 --> 00:09:15,079 Speaker 3: any of that, before we even pause for a word 144 00:09:15,120 --> 00:09:18,360 Speaker 3: from our sponsors, I'd like to posit to you guys, 145 00:09:18,920 --> 00:09:24,040 Speaker 3: the following, would you live in a city that had 146 00:09:24,240 --> 00:09:29,600 Speaker 3: less rule of law but more potential to use science 147 00:09:29,679 --> 00:09:30,840 Speaker 3: to improve your life? 148 00:09:31,000 --> 00:09:34,360 Speaker 4: I answer that question by citing an incredible take I 149 00:09:34,440 --> 00:09:38,400 Speaker 4: just heard from Ezra Klein talking about all this idea 150 00:09:38,520 --> 00:09:42,560 Speaker 4: of increasing government efficiency, and his critique was, I'm all 151 00:09:42,600 --> 00:09:46,360 Speaker 4: about government efficiency, But the question is towards what end 152 00:09:46,480 --> 00:09:50,000 Speaker 4: efficiency towards what? And he just feels like the current 153 00:09:50,040 --> 00:09:53,880 Speaker 4: administration's vision of the future sucks because it does not 154 00:09:54,000 --> 00:09:56,880 Speaker 4: involve the things that you're talking about, Ben, and it 155 00:09:57,000 --> 00:10:00,960 Speaker 4: sort of absures science and technology and seems to have 156 00:10:01,000 --> 00:10:03,320 Speaker 4: a bit of a retrograde attitude towards that. So I 157 00:10:03,320 --> 00:10:05,840 Speaker 4: would I would hope, I would love to live in 158 00:10:05,840 --> 00:10:08,360 Speaker 4: a place where all that stuff is more appreciate it. 159 00:10:08,600 --> 00:10:11,800 Speaker 3: All right, well, we'll go to and add break and 160 00:10:12,080 --> 00:10:16,559 Speaker 3: we will introduce you to the not quite new idea 161 00:10:16,760 --> 00:10:26,000 Speaker 3: of freedom cities. And we have returned. Do you guys 162 00:10:26,080 --> 00:10:30,439 Speaker 3: remember the old song? Was it sixteen tons? The company 163 00:10:30,480 --> 00:10:31,040 Speaker 3: store song? 164 00:10:31,480 --> 00:10:32,560 Speaker 4: Lord? 165 00:10:33,520 --> 00:10:39,280 Speaker 3: What do you get that is entirely about the US practice, 166 00:10:39,520 --> 00:10:42,920 Speaker 3: or you know, the worldwide practice in the past, of 167 00:10:44,400 --> 00:10:48,400 Speaker 3: a community that is run by not a state, not 168 00:10:48,640 --> 00:10:53,880 Speaker 3: a government, a government entity, but instead by a private entity, 169 00:10:53,960 --> 00:10:57,880 Speaker 3: by a corporation. This encounters all kinds of weird stuff 170 00:10:57,960 --> 00:11:01,520 Speaker 3: like pain and script or having debts that are purposely 171 00:11:01,679 --> 00:11:07,120 Speaker 3: structured such that you can never never really get back 172 00:11:07,160 --> 00:11:10,640 Speaker 3: into the black ink. We've all heard stories about that. 173 00:11:10,679 --> 00:11:14,640 Speaker 3: I think we did a few episodes on ridiculous history 174 00:11:14,679 --> 00:11:19,760 Speaker 3: that touch on the idea of company towns, didn't we. 175 00:11:19,040 --> 00:11:21,640 Speaker 4: We had one on here, Absolutely we did on here. 176 00:11:21,720 --> 00:11:24,440 Speaker 4: I mean just the idea of I don't know, just 177 00:11:24,800 --> 00:11:27,120 Speaker 4: you know. It's funny too, with the discussion we recently 178 00:11:27,160 --> 00:11:31,440 Speaker 4: had about scam factory, you know, that's almost an extension 179 00:11:31,480 --> 00:11:33,840 Speaker 4: of that, but even more abusive. I would argue, just 180 00:11:33,880 --> 00:11:37,360 Speaker 4: the idea of your captive you are beholden to these 181 00:11:37,440 --> 00:11:40,840 Speaker 4: overlords of one type or another, and you are using 182 00:11:40,920 --> 00:11:43,200 Speaker 4: currency that they determine the value of. 183 00:11:45,800 --> 00:11:50,640 Speaker 3: Well, great news for any fans of terrible historical precedent. 184 00:11:51,000 --> 00:11:54,520 Speaker 3: There is a lobbying group right now active in the 185 00:11:54,640 --> 00:12:00,400 Speaker 3: United States called the Freedom Citi's Coalition. The Freedoms Cities 186 00:12:00,559 --> 00:12:06,760 Speaker 3: Coalition is currently meeting with officials from the present US 187 00:12:06,880 --> 00:12:11,680 Speaker 3: administration to push for the creation of what are called 188 00:12:12,160 --> 00:12:15,960 Speaker 3: freedom cities. Now, first off, that's that's a great name. 189 00:12:16,520 --> 00:12:20,680 Speaker 3: Uh there. The idea is that you could create tech 190 00:12:20,760 --> 00:12:26,480 Speaker 3: hubs exempt from all those pesky taxes and red tape regulation, uh, 191 00:12:26,760 --> 00:12:33,000 Speaker 3: to to get get away from all these federal laws 192 00:12:33,360 --> 00:12:37,040 Speaker 3: that stop us from doing uh you know what current 193 00:12:37,080 --> 00:12:41,920 Speaker 3: society would call highly unethical things like anti aging, clinical trials, 194 00:12:42,280 --> 00:12:47,400 Speaker 3: nuclear reactors, startups, different kind of construction that's not bound 195 00:12:47,600 --> 00:12:52,400 Speaker 3: by all these you know, busy minded bureaucrats. Right. 196 00:12:52,520 --> 00:12:54,520 Speaker 4: Well, I feel like a dummy because when you tease 197 00:12:54,600 --> 00:12:57,800 Speaker 4: this topic earlier and asked the question, I thought it 198 00:12:57,840 --> 00:13:00,640 Speaker 4: was a good thing. I thought me maybe wanted to 199 00:13:00,679 --> 00:13:04,840 Speaker 4: live in a place where more science and technology was 200 00:13:05,000 --> 00:13:07,640 Speaker 4: you know, valued and pushed forward. But I guess you're 201 00:13:07,679 --> 00:13:13,239 Speaker 4: talking about like unchecked, potentially problematic science and technology. 202 00:13:14,480 --> 00:13:18,360 Speaker 3: And back in twenty twenty three, current president US President 203 00:13:18,440 --> 00:13:22,120 Speaker 3: Donald Trump kind of pitched the idea of creating ten 204 00:13:22,520 --> 00:13:27,760 Speaker 3: freedom cities. The hardcore proponents of this will call them 205 00:13:27,880 --> 00:13:32,800 Speaker 3: start up nations, and their concept is, or they're pitches 206 00:13:33,160 --> 00:13:36,320 Speaker 3: that if you didn't have the FDA or the Nuclear 207 00:13:36,400 --> 00:13:41,560 Speaker 3: Regulatory Commission or the Environmental Protection Agency, you know, the 208 00:13:41,600 --> 00:13:45,920 Speaker 3: bad guys from Ghostbusters won that you would be able 209 00:13:46,000 --> 00:13:51,920 Speaker 3: to jumpstart, jumpstart all sorts of innovation and you could 210 00:13:51,960 --> 00:13:56,080 Speaker 3: really put some gas in the tank there. They're hoping 211 00:13:56,240 --> 00:14:01,960 Speaker 3: currently this lobbying group to have drafted and ready to 212 00:14:02,040 --> 00:14:06,520 Speaker 3: sign by the end of twenty twenty five. If you'd 213 00:14:06,559 --> 00:14:09,480 Speaker 3: like to read more about this, you can check out 214 00:14:09,520 --> 00:14:13,960 Speaker 3: an excellent article over on Wired Big Thanks to Caroline 215 00:14:14,000 --> 00:14:18,800 Speaker 3: Haskins and Victoria Elliott, who wrote this. On March seventh, 216 00:14:18,840 --> 00:14:22,680 Speaker 3: twenty twenty five, Startup Nation Group say they're meeting Trump 217 00:14:22,720 --> 00:14:27,960 Speaker 3: officials to push for deregulated freedom cities. I got to 218 00:14:28,000 --> 00:14:30,680 Speaker 3: tell you, it smells a lot like company towns with 219 00:14:30,880 --> 00:14:33,200 Speaker 3: a new skin put on them. 220 00:14:33,440 --> 00:14:38,400 Speaker 4: You know, boy, what very strange mean? Just to say again, 221 00:14:38,560 --> 00:14:41,280 Speaker 4: like the sales pitch of this sounds great, and I 222 00:14:41,320 --> 00:14:43,880 Speaker 4: was certainly taken by it because just full disclosure, I 223 00:14:43,960 --> 00:14:45,880 Speaker 4: was not familiar with the story and I'm kind of 224 00:14:45,920 --> 00:14:49,320 Speaker 4: learning about it in real time with everybody. But the 225 00:14:49,320 --> 00:14:52,520 Speaker 4: way it sounds on paper, I'm cool with. But then 226 00:14:52,520 --> 00:14:54,840 Speaker 4: you start digging into this company store aspect in the 227 00:14:54,920 --> 00:14:58,960 Speaker 4: deregulation situation, it starts to feel a little more sketchy. 228 00:14:59,520 --> 00:15:03,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the thing too. We see precedent not just 229 00:15:03,800 --> 00:15:07,280 Speaker 3: in the idea of a company town, but we also 230 00:15:07,360 --> 00:15:13,160 Speaker 3: see precedent in what are called special economic zones. These 231 00:15:13,240 --> 00:15:18,320 Speaker 3: are things in other countries that have their own sort 232 00:15:18,360 --> 00:15:23,520 Speaker 3: of bubbled rule of law and regulation right now. For instance, 233 00:15:23,640 --> 00:15:26,720 Speaker 3: you can go to places like the island of Rotan 234 00:15:27,120 --> 00:15:31,280 Speaker 3: in Honduras, they have they are home to a place 235 00:15:31,360 --> 00:15:35,440 Speaker 3: called Prospera, which sounds like, you know, a pharmaceutical product. 236 00:15:35,520 --> 00:15:40,040 Speaker 3: We'll get to the sacklers later tonight. Prospera the place 237 00:15:40,560 --> 00:15:44,400 Speaker 3: has been attracting a bunch of tech workers and startups 238 00:15:44,440 --> 00:15:49,840 Speaker 3: by promising very low taxes, no regulations, a very business 239 00:15:50,120 --> 00:15:56,080 Speaker 3: friendly government. And it's the philosophical difference. This is another 240 00:15:56,120 --> 00:15:59,680 Speaker 3: old episode we did on Ridiculous History. The philosophical difference 241 00:15:59,760 --> 00:16:05,640 Speaker 3: is treating the public as civilians or citizens versus consumers 242 00:16:05,840 --> 00:16:11,360 Speaker 3: or customers. And that's an episode that is worth a listen. 243 00:16:11,760 --> 00:16:15,960 Speaker 3: Regardless of whether you're very pro freedom cities or you're 244 00:16:16,080 --> 00:16:24,040 Speaker 3: very anti freedom cities. We've given you what the champions 245 00:16:24,080 --> 00:16:27,720 Speaker 3: of this think. The people who are critics of this 246 00:16:28,560 --> 00:16:32,960 Speaker 3: argue that existing in a place like this will remove 247 00:16:33,080 --> 00:16:36,920 Speaker 3: the right of consent and will remove all sorts of 248 00:16:36,960 --> 00:16:43,200 Speaker 3: the typical democratic rights of the public. So I'm wondering 249 00:16:43,400 --> 00:16:47,680 Speaker 3: where we stand on this. By the way, the Honduran 250 00:16:47,920 --> 00:16:53,520 Speaker 3: Congress and the Honduran government is kind of internally at 251 00:16:53,640 --> 00:16:58,280 Speaker 3: odds and the idea of prosperity. The citizens don't love it. 252 00:16:58,800 --> 00:17:03,280 Speaker 3: They say it makes it increases wealth, disparity and poverty. 253 00:17:04,080 --> 00:17:11,879 Speaker 3: The former President of Honduras, Juan Orlando Hernandez. He loved Prospera, 254 00:17:12,880 --> 00:17:15,480 Speaker 3: you know, maybe arguably because he was already at the 255 00:17:15,480 --> 00:17:19,080 Speaker 3: top of the socioeconomic hierarchy. But he gave them a 256 00:17:19,119 --> 00:17:23,160 Speaker 3: permanent charter. And it wasn't until twenty twenty two that 257 00:17:23,280 --> 00:17:27,720 Speaker 3: Congress came back and said, look, we can't have this 258 00:17:28,000 --> 00:17:31,680 Speaker 3: be going on. This is bad for the people of Honduras, 259 00:17:32,000 --> 00:17:35,440 Speaker 3: you know, the people who can't afford to move from 260 00:17:35,480 --> 00:17:39,440 Speaker 3: the area that is now Prospera. I don't know. There's 261 00:17:39,480 --> 00:17:45,359 Speaker 3: an ongoing lawsuit as we record, and it's Prosperous suing 262 00:17:45,400 --> 00:17:48,480 Speaker 3: the Honduran government. We have to wonder is this a 263 00:17:48,720 --> 00:17:51,560 Speaker 3: one off? Is this a precedent? Would we see We 264 00:17:51,640 --> 00:17:54,520 Speaker 3: talked about this in an episode or in Strange News 265 00:17:54,640 --> 00:17:59,000 Speaker 3: a while back. Do you think do you guys think 266 00:17:59,080 --> 00:18:03,480 Speaker 3: the United States would ever have new company towns? Well? 267 00:18:03,520 --> 00:18:07,920 Speaker 2: I think okay. So in the situation with Prospera, it 268 00:18:08,000 --> 00:18:12,400 Speaker 2: came into form in twenty thirteen, right, and like four 269 00:18:12,480 --> 00:18:15,639 Speaker 2: years before that there was a pretty big coup situation, 270 00:18:16,640 --> 00:18:18,160 Speaker 2: and then a couple of years later, like a whole 271 00:18:18,160 --> 00:18:23,959 Speaker 2: truth and reconciliation situation there in Honduras and that instability 272 00:18:24,520 --> 00:18:28,879 Speaker 2: created the right political and economic climate for these folks 273 00:18:28,880 --> 00:18:32,840 Speaker 2: to move in and create Prospera. Right, so it does 274 00:18:32,960 --> 00:18:36,320 Speaker 2: feel well and now and what they are suing, right 275 00:18:36,359 --> 00:18:39,040 Speaker 2: because the new government is basically saying this is a 276 00:18:39,040 --> 00:18:41,840 Speaker 2: bad idea, guys, yeah, and Prospero says, oh yeah, we're 277 00:18:41,880 --> 00:18:44,720 Speaker 2: going to sue you for ten billion dollars which would 278 00:18:44,720 --> 00:18:46,320 Speaker 2: cripple your entire country. 279 00:18:46,440 --> 00:18:47,760 Speaker 3: Everybody raise your pinkies. 280 00:18:48,040 --> 00:18:50,320 Speaker 4: Wait a minute, bit, but like, aren't these things staffed 281 00:18:50,359 --> 00:18:54,199 Speaker 4: by like highly educated and specialized individuals who like have 282 00:18:54,280 --> 00:18:57,960 Speaker 4: a lot of other opportunities available to them, Like, they're not, 283 00:18:58,600 --> 00:19:02,000 Speaker 4: you know, forcing people to work in these situations, right, 284 00:19:02,119 --> 00:19:03,040 Speaker 4: I mean, I'm just trying. 285 00:19:02,800 --> 00:19:07,439 Speaker 3: To understand, not yet. But it's kind of like sesame credit. 286 00:19:07,560 --> 00:19:10,640 Speaker 3: It always starts as an opt in thing until the 287 00:19:10,760 --> 00:19:13,360 Speaker 3: choice that you have is later removed. 288 00:19:13,720 --> 00:19:16,280 Speaker 2: Yes, right, So what I'm seeing here, Ben, is the 289 00:19:16,320 --> 00:19:18,800 Speaker 2: thing you've been warning about for I don't even know 290 00:19:18,840 --> 00:19:22,800 Speaker 2: how many years, This concept that potentially there will be 291 00:19:22,880 --> 00:19:26,800 Speaker 2: a new country of sorts formed in one of these places, right, 292 00:19:26,880 --> 00:19:32,359 Speaker 2: a new economic zone that then, let's say, maybe successfully 293 00:19:32,400 --> 00:19:38,399 Speaker 2: sues its parent country country and then that becomes the 294 00:19:38,480 --> 00:19:42,399 Speaker 2: new thing that everybody. Everybody has to now vote between 295 00:19:42,440 --> 00:19:47,120 Speaker 2: either the government or somebody who represents the government, or Hey, 296 00:19:47,200 --> 00:19:50,960 Speaker 2: this new Prospera place or this new Freedom Corporation. 297 00:19:52,240 --> 00:19:58,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, the new region of southwestern North Oklahoma brought to 298 00:19:58,320 --> 00:20:02,040 Speaker 3: you by me and dies and excellent and alphabet. 299 00:20:02,160 --> 00:20:04,320 Speaker 4: Well, it doesn't seem too far off from like the 300 00:20:04,440 --> 00:20:07,800 Speaker 4: kind of technocracy that we're finding ourselves in with, like 301 00:20:07,920 --> 00:20:12,479 Speaker 4: you know, the unelected billionaire Elon Musk kind of running 302 00:20:12,560 --> 00:20:15,120 Speaker 4: so many key parts of the government seemingly to the 303 00:20:15,160 --> 00:20:19,280 Speaker 4: interests of his own companies to a certain degree. And 304 00:20:19,320 --> 00:20:21,159 Speaker 4: you got to wonder, as a company big enough at 305 00:20:21,160 --> 00:20:24,600 Speaker 4: a certain point and installed enough in a government that 306 00:20:24,640 --> 00:20:27,439 Speaker 4: they then you know, kind of flout the rules and 307 00:20:27,600 --> 00:20:31,280 Speaker 4: basically take over. I don't know, does that Does that 308 00:20:31,320 --> 00:20:31,760 Speaker 4: make sense? 309 00:20:32,160 --> 00:20:37,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the that's the precedent that critics are prognosticating, predicting, 310 00:20:37,720 --> 00:20:40,320 Speaker 3: and fearing. You know, if we if we go to 311 00:20:41,520 --> 00:20:45,720 Speaker 3: folks like trade Joff go O f f uh, the 312 00:20:46,000 --> 00:20:50,800 Speaker 3: chief of staff of Prospera, then we'll see we'll see 313 00:20:50,800 --> 00:20:54,000 Speaker 3: that there. Everybody is agreed there is some sort of 314 00:20:54,119 --> 00:20:58,720 Speaker 3: conspiracy afoot. It's just the champions of freedom cities feel 315 00:20:58,760 --> 00:21:02,080 Speaker 3: like they're conspiring to make a better world, and the 316 00:21:02,160 --> 00:21:09,719 Speaker 3: critics feel like these guys are conspiring to engineer a 317 00:21:09,840 --> 00:21:14,239 Speaker 3: new form of neo feudalism, right a dark technocracy. If 318 00:21:14,280 --> 00:21:16,720 Speaker 3: we go just a little bit further on this, please 319 00:21:16,800 --> 00:21:21,159 Speaker 3: check out Freedomcitiescoalition dot com. That is the website of 320 00:21:21,240 --> 00:21:26,120 Speaker 3: the lobbying group that we're mentioning, and our paltray from 321 00:21:26,200 --> 00:21:31,879 Speaker 3: Prospera says, look, our group has already briefed officials at 322 00:21:31,920 --> 00:21:36,120 Speaker 3: the White House on not just the concept of freedom cities, 323 00:21:36,160 --> 00:21:39,399 Speaker 3: but three ways to create them. One is through what 324 00:21:39,440 --> 00:21:44,120 Speaker 3: they would call interstate compacts. Two or more states set 325 00:21:44,160 --> 00:21:48,959 Speaker 3: aside territories with the same kind of bubble tax and 326 00:21:49,000 --> 00:21:56,040 Speaker 3: regulatory policy. And then under existing law, these interstate compacts 327 00:21:56,359 --> 00:21:59,399 Speaker 3: are very tough to revoke. You can dissolve them, but 328 00:21:59,440 --> 00:22:01,399 Speaker 3: it's like, you know, it's like how it's tough to 329 00:22:01,440 --> 00:22:05,840 Speaker 3: rescind an amendment in Congress. Once you get an amendment in, 330 00:22:06,520 --> 00:22:09,600 Speaker 3: you have to have a huge majority of people in 331 00:22:09,760 --> 00:22:14,040 Speaker 3: legislation to take it out. It's a sneaky way to 332 00:22:14,080 --> 00:22:17,760 Speaker 3: get it into federal law. The other options are creating 333 00:22:17,880 --> 00:22:23,680 Speaker 3: federal enclaves with special economic zones, or and this might 334 00:22:23,720 --> 00:22:28,600 Speaker 3: be the most plausible option, having the White House whomever 335 00:22:28,680 --> 00:22:32,920 Speaker 3: controls it, issue executive orders to create a city one 336 00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:33,440 Speaker 3: by one. 337 00:22:34,040 --> 00:22:38,320 Speaker 2: Uh huh okay, Yeah, it's making me think about that 338 00:22:38,600 --> 00:22:42,520 Speaker 2: giant swath of land that was purchased out in California 339 00:22:43,320 --> 00:22:46,119 Speaker 2: we talked about, yeah. 340 00:22:45,359 --> 00:22:48,280 Speaker 4: Or Elon Musk's compound outside of Austin, Texas. 341 00:22:48,560 --> 00:22:53,720 Speaker 3: Yeah. And then it gets tricky because if we're talking 342 00:22:53,760 --> 00:22:57,920 Speaker 3: about private industries assuming something very close to the role 343 00:22:57,960 --> 00:23:01,159 Speaker 3: of government, we have to ask ourselves are those private 344 00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:05,240 Speaker 3: industries going to be US based or are they going 345 00:23:05,280 --> 00:23:10,240 Speaker 3: to be industries from a foreign country that maybe doesn't 346 00:23:10,280 --> 00:23:19,520 Speaker 3: have the same structure between like private and public caraffs cities. 347 00:23:20,040 --> 00:23:21,919 Speaker 4: Can I just say that if you go to Prospera 348 00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:25,840 Speaker 4: dot co, the background image is like a video. It's 349 00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:30,119 Speaker 4: the most sci fi looking kind of culty almost you know, 350 00:23:30,320 --> 00:23:34,119 Speaker 4: idyllic future city kind of pitch that I've ever seen, 351 00:23:34,520 --> 00:23:37,360 Speaker 4: and so much crypto content in it. And you got 352 00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:40,280 Speaker 4: to imagine too, that a lot of these free cities 353 00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:44,000 Speaker 4: or free freedom cities would be it would be proposed 354 00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:46,200 Speaker 4: that they would use the new currency. You know what 355 00:23:46,240 --> 00:23:49,040 Speaker 4: I mean, like, I just feel like that's sort. 356 00:23:48,920 --> 00:23:50,679 Speaker 3: Of the script kind of. 357 00:23:50,760 --> 00:23:54,040 Speaker 4: I mean, that's that's a big thing about like questions 358 00:23:54,080 --> 00:23:56,919 Speaker 4: about how the government is going to start investing social 359 00:23:56,920 --> 00:23:59,760 Speaker 4: security or whatever if they dismantle it. Is this idea 360 00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:02,199 Speaker 4: that am I start making risky bets and like, you know, 361 00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:04,000 Speaker 4: speculative cryptocurrencies. 362 00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:07,720 Speaker 2: We need a white lotus season in Prospera. 363 00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:08,639 Speaker 4: Let's do it. 364 00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:12,639 Speaker 3: M yeah, and we'll have Prospera produce it. I'm sure 365 00:24:14,320 --> 00:24:17,520 Speaker 3: this is the issue on the table for many of 366 00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:21,040 Speaker 3: us in the crowd. You might already be thinking ahead, 367 00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:26,359 Speaker 3: like there are nobody likes to mention this, but there 368 00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:34,400 Speaker 3: are objectively scientific innovations that could occur much faster were 369 00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:38,720 Speaker 3: humanity not practicing a code of ethics, were there not 370 00:24:39,080 --> 00:24:44,080 Speaker 3: hard regulations about human experimentation and so on, there would 371 00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:49,000 Speaker 3: be horrifically high rate of attrition for a lot of things, 372 00:24:49,040 --> 00:24:55,960 Speaker 3: but overall, arguably you would arrive at some breakthroughs faster 373 00:24:56,119 --> 00:24:58,720 Speaker 3: than you would under the current regimen of rules. 374 00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:02,439 Speaker 4: I know, man, the more I'm watching this Prospero video loop, 375 00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:06,520 Speaker 4: the more it seems pretty nice. You got healthcare, dental, 376 00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:11,399 Speaker 4: A Commissary Green spaces a pickleball court, and what else. 377 00:25:11,280 --> 00:25:11,720 Speaker 3: Do you want? 378 00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:14,119 Speaker 4: I'm down here. You can do some human experiments on 379 00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:17,200 Speaker 4: me if I get to play pickleball for free, herey 380 00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:17,359 Speaker 4: you go. 381 00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:20,760 Speaker 3: And if you have a problem in a freedom city 382 00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:23,080 Speaker 3: that it's kind of like having a problem as an 383 00:25:23,080 --> 00:25:26,640 Speaker 3: employee of a corporation. That's another fear. You won't have 384 00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:29,919 Speaker 3: a day in court. You might go to an arbitration board. 385 00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:35,160 Speaker 3: And if you don't step right, as we used to say, 386 00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:39,960 Speaker 3: then you could have consequences with no avenue for things 387 00:25:40,040 --> 00:25:43,439 Speaker 3: like appeal, no avenue for things like habeas corpus and 388 00:25:43,520 --> 00:25:47,000 Speaker 3: so on, because the federal government would then have to 389 00:25:47,119 --> 00:25:50,360 Speaker 3: whatever that overall government is, would have to figure out 390 00:25:50,359 --> 00:25:55,280 Speaker 3: how they interact with this increasingly autonomous nation state. There's 391 00:25:55,320 --> 00:25:59,440 Speaker 3: a great graphic novel called Lazarus for anybody who likes 392 00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:05,639 Speaker 3: graphic novel levels. It explores the dystopian end spectrum of 393 00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:10,600 Speaker 3: corporate run global government and that in that there are 394 00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:14,040 Speaker 3: three demographics. For there are a few companies that rule 395 00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:18,280 Speaker 3: the world right regions thereof in those places, there are 396 00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:23,000 Speaker 3: three demographics. There's the family, the ruling class. There's what 397 00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:26,280 Speaker 3: are called the serfs, which are the skilled workers, and 398 00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:29,800 Speaker 3: then everybody else is called waste. And the waste can 399 00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:35,560 Speaker 3: disappear at a moment's notice. Their rights are severely curtailed, 400 00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:41,240 Speaker 3: their avenue or access to information is highly limited. And 401 00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:44,480 Speaker 3: that while that is science fiction and it's a great 402 00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:48,720 Speaker 3: graphic novel series, it does, I would argue, speak to 403 00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:52,639 Speaker 3: some real world concerns, especially now you know in the 404 00:26:52,760 --> 00:26:57,640 Speaker 3: US where what forty eight New Mexico residents have just disappeared, 405 00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:02,080 Speaker 3: and ICE doesn't know where, the ICE's lawyers don't know 406 00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:05,880 Speaker 3: where they are. Everybody's ignoring the fact that people are 407 00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:08,800 Speaker 3: ghosting in the US without their consent. 408 00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:15,440 Speaker 2: Dude, imagine a physical place on this planet where autonomous 409 00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:19,240 Speaker 2: security drone slash robots will be in place for the 410 00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:22,359 Speaker 2: first time. Can you imagine a country, or a state 411 00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:26,160 Speaker 2: or a city where that will happen. I can't imagine 412 00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:29,680 Speaker 2: one that has a government like literally, I cannot imagine 413 00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:32,200 Speaker 2: a place on this earth that would do that except 414 00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:35,679 Speaker 2: an entrepreneur based freedom city. 415 00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:38,560 Speaker 4: I have a scuba shop. There's a scuba shop on 416 00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:39,320 Speaker 4: the premises. 417 00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:44,040 Speaker 3: Come on, I can imagine. I can imagine that easily 418 00:27:44,119 --> 00:27:48,880 Speaker 3: happening with a overar constructure that calls itself the government, 419 00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:52,400 Speaker 3: sort of like how your substitute teacher might show up 420 00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:58,680 Speaker 3: in class. You know, yeah, yeah, yeah, we are going 421 00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:01,920 Speaker 3: to move on or time. But with this we would 422 00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:06,480 Speaker 3: also naturally see an erosion of privacy, which reminds us 423 00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:09,800 Speaker 3: of one last golden apple to toss in the chat 424 00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:14,400 Speaker 3: before we moved to the sponsor Folks. One day, one evening, 425 00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:19,080 Speaker 3: one year, one decade. Soon we will hopefully be correct 426 00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:23,239 Speaker 3: about something good. Yet again we come to you to 427 00:28:23,320 --> 00:28:28,720 Speaker 3: say we correctly predicted something bad. Amazon has removed the 428 00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:32,960 Speaker 3: privacy option for all of its all of its neat 429 00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:38,080 Speaker 3: little recording devices, so all Alexa recordings will now immediately 430 00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:41,520 Speaker 3: go to the cloud. You have been decisioned tread away 431 00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:44,960 Speaker 3: yet again from a choice that you thought you were 432 00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:46,280 Speaker 3: always going to be able. 433 00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:48,240 Speaker 4: To make Alexa stop spying on me. 434 00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:52,560 Speaker 3: No, I got in trouble for doing that joker earlier. 435 00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:54,720 Speaker 3: Who was it? It was a few years back. 436 00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:56,960 Speaker 4: We go, oh, we did that. We did a bunch 437 00:28:57,000 --> 00:28:59,040 Speaker 4: of them in a row. I just did one. Guys 438 00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:02,680 Speaker 4: come on and alexas talking to me, and she says 439 00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:03,240 Speaker 4: she can't do. 440 00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:09,040 Speaker 3: That, Dave. She could at least learn your name. But 441 00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:12,120 Speaker 3: everyone be careful. We want to hear your thoughts on 442 00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:14,760 Speaker 3: all of this, especially, we want to hear from people 443 00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:20,000 Speaker 3: who are very anti or very pro Freedom City. Do 444 00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:22,640 Speaker 3: you think this would actually happen? Do you think this 445 00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:25,719 Speaker 3: is a company town, or do you think there is 446 00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:31,680 Speaker 3: a net positive to removing all those regulations? Conspiracydiheartradio dot com. 447 00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:33,960 Speaker 3: We're gonna pause for a word from our sponsors and 448 00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:37,560 Speaker 3: will return with more strange news. 449 00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:44,160 Speaker 4: And we're back. I'm gonna jump right in by way 450 00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:48,680 Speaker 4: of an update Produe Pharma, y'all. Remember those guys, the Sacklers. 451 00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:54,080 Speaker 4: Remember that giant heroin spoon that that Momus sculptor built 452 00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:58,200 Speaker 4: outside of their offices, out of their headquarters. Remember bad news, 453 00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:04,440 Speaker 4: that whole situation with OxyContin being put forth as non addictive, 454 00:30:04,520 --> 00:30:07,440 Speaker 4: of course, leading to the opioid epidemic. 455 00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:11,480 Speaker 3: Absolutely, demastology of the one to ten pain scale. 456 00:30:11,280 --> 00:30:14,120 Speaker 4: All of that, absolutely, all of that very very tricky 457 00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:18,320 Speaker 4: stuff of coming from the Sacklers and Purdue Pharma. But they, 458 00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:23,080 Speaker 4: you know, were forced the Sackler family to leave the 459 00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:28,280 Speaker 4: board of Purdue Pharma. Perdue Pharma did declare bankruptcy. The 460 00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:31,240 Speaker 4: Sacklers no longer are able to be enriched by any 461 00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:35,320 Speaker 4: activity from the company moving forward. And now a deal 462 00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:39,320 Speaker 4: has been made or perdue. Pharma has submitted a settlement 463 00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:44,200 Speaker 4: plan including up to seven billion dollars of cash from 464 00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:48,640 Speaker 4: the Sacklers themselves and their personal wealth. And you know, 465 00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:52,400 Speaker 4: as let's under the deal, the family members just jumping 466 00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:56,000 Speaker 4: off with the AP's reporting, estimated in documents from twenty 467 00:30:56,040 --> 00:30:59,080 Speaker 4: twenty and twenty twenty one to be worth eleven billion, 468 00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:01,480 Speaker 4: would give up ownership of the company in addition to 469 00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:08,040 Speaker 4: contributing money over fifteen years, with the biggest payment upfront, okay, 470 00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:12,000 Speaker 4: eleven billion in net worth collectively. It's just kind of 471 00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:14,400 Speaker 4: making me think about what's going on right now with 472 00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:17,880 Speaker 4: the stock market and with the loss of value of 473 00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:21,160 Speaker 4: certain very very very wealthy individuals. It's like, if you're 474 00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:26,680 Speaker 4: worth fifteen billion dollars, is you know, coughing up three 475 00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:28,840 Speaker 4: billion of your net worth like that big a deal. 476 00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:31,440 Speaker 4: I can't even imagine what a billion dollars even looks 477 00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:34,080 Speaker 4: like or feels like. It just seems after a certain 478 00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:36,880 Speaker 4: point people are just like hoarding their gold, you know, 479 00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:37,920 Speaker 4: in their castles. 480 00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:41,880 Speaker 3: Well, I mean, gold is a tangible asset though, and 481 00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:44,880 Speaker 3: this is when you get past a certain threshold of 482 00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:49,840 Speaker 3: currency or the concept of currency. You're talking about ideas, 483 00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:53,200 Speaker 3: you're talking about articles of faith. This is very non 484 00:31:53,320 --> 00:32:00,360 Speaker 3: freedom City. Yeah, so it's not giving Freedom City. But 485 00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:06,080 Speaker 3: but Noel, this does sound like at least some sort 486 00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:09,480 Speaker 3: of accountability. When I was reading these statements, I was 487 00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:14,800 Speaker 3: seeing a couple of astis up to seven billion dollars, 488 00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:17,640 Speaker 3: which is not the same thing as seven billion dollars. 489 00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:18,680 Speaker 4: No, it's true, it's true. 490 00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:23,160 Speaker 3: And none of the sacklers are facing any criminal charges, Like, 491 00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:24,760 Speaker 3: no one's going to jail yet. 492 00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:26,680 Speaker 4: Noah, No, not that we've heard. And you know, to me, 493 00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:31,880 Speaker 4: that would be a more appropriate punishment or some kind 494 00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:33,720 Speaker 4: of actual And if not, that's my point. I guess 495 00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:36,440 Speaker 4: it's like, if you're worth that many billions of dollars, 496 00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:39,520 Speaker 4: and yeah, going from eleven billion to just four billion, 497 00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:42,840 Speaker 4: if you are coughing up that full seven billion, sure 498 00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:45,280 Speaker 4: is a big hit. But also you're still you still 499 00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:48,680 Speaker 4: have four billion dollars, which is more money than even 500 00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:50,680 Speaker 4: makes sense to me. So it just kind of feels like, 501 00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:53,920 Speaker 4: to your point, bend these articles of faith, is it 502 00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:57,480 Speaker 4: really a huge sacrifice that's being made by these folks 503 00:32:57,560 --> 00:33:01,080 Speaker 4: that are directly responsible for loss of lives and livelihoods 504 00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:02,280 Speaker 4: and ruining families. 505 00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:06,800 Speaker 2: Well, where what money goes to preventing this from happening? 506 00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:09,280 Speaker 4: Again, that is a question makes it does not seem 507 00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:10,760 Speaker 4: to be being addressed. 508 00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:15,320 Speaker 2: Like how could you? I don't know, just how do 509 00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:19,280 Speaker 2: you prevent a corporation like that and damage is done 510 00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:24,520 Speaker 2: family from generating something that causes so much harm? 511 00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:25,400 Speaker 1: Right? 512 00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:28,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, Okay, so I understand you now, because there are 513 00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:34,400 Speaker 3: there are two related or ven diagrammed but distinct avenues there. 514 00:33:34,760 --> 00:33:40,280 Speaker 3: The first question is how do we prevent that specific 515 00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:44,520 Speaker 3: company from doing a thing right or other companies? Is 516 00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:48,240 Speaker 3: there a preventative precedent set? And then the second thing 517 00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:52,400 Speaker 3: is where does the money from a settlement go? That's 518 00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:55,400 Speaker 3: that latter question is a little bit easier to answer 519 00:33:55,480 --> 00:33:59,680 Speaker 3: because we I believe we discussed previously when this settlement 520 00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:04,880 Speaker 3: was first starting to you know coalesce the idea of 521 00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:08,920 Speaker 3: similar to like tobacco companies in those big settlements, they 522 00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:12,480 Speaker 3: had to fund public awareness campaigns, they had to fund 523 00:34:12,640 --> 00:34:18,800 Speaker 3: you know, resources for addiction, the resources for medical information, 524 00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:22,520 Speaker 3: things like that. They're not quite defanged, but they're very 525 00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:25,000 Speaker 3: dull canines when it comes to the bike. 526 00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:27,880 Speaker 4: Sure, I mean yeah, but it's also like one of 527 00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:30,279 Speaker 4: these things that I think ties into what we were 528 00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:34,400 Speaker 4: talking about with freedom cities and the idea of deregulation, 529 00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:36,640 Speaker 4: which seems like more the order of the day rather 530 00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:39,600 Speaker 4: than further regulation, because that would kind of be the 531 00:34:39,640 --> 00:34:42,200 Speaker 4: thing that could prevent other companies from doing something like this. 532 00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:45,080 Speaker 4: And you know, if there is this effort to scale 533 00:34:45,160 --> 00:34:47,480 Speaker 4: back any kind of oversight and regulation that I don't 534 00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:49,520 Speaker 4: think there's any way that this isn't going to happen again. 535 00:34:49,640 --> 00:34:51,960 Speaker 4: And not to mention that, you know, the damage has 536 00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:55,400 Speaker 4: been done. They began this epidemic, you know, in the 537 00:34:55,520 --> 00:34:59,560 Speaker 4: nineties and it very much, you know, kind of started 538 00:34:59,719 --> 00:35:02,200 Speaker 4: top the dominoes leading up to where we are now 539 00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:05,880 Speaker 4: with defentanyl crisis because that you know drug and the 540 00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:07,840 Speaker 4: proliferation of that drug, if you think about it, is 541 00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:12,759 Speaker 4: just a continuation of the availability of hard opioids that 542 00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:15,560 Speaker 4: then when they were harder to get because of regulation 543 00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:18,640 Speaker 4: and issues with oxy content, a lot of people pivoted 544 00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:19,240 Speaker 4: to heroin. 545 00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:22,920 Speaker 3: Well it was more affordable too, one hundred Percentially, if 546 00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:25,919 Speaker 3: you don't find you know, a pill mill in your 547 00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:29,879 Speaker 3: area or your doctor, this happens in the military too, 548 00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:34,600 Speaker 3: when people get prescribed painkillers after an injury in the field, 549 00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:38,520 Speaker 3: you know what I mean, And they come back and eventually, unfortunately, 550 00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:44,360 Speaker 3: that's a tale that pre dates oxycotin. That's true emergence 551 00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:48,160 Speaker 3: onto the market in nineteen ninety six. Right. The idea 552 00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:52,080 Speaker 3: is that people would end up being through one circumstance 553 00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:54,400 Speaker 3: or another, not always their fault, they would get hooked 554 00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:59,920 Speaker 3: on some very serious substances and they would be physically 555 00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:03,480 Speaker 3: dependent upon those. So you have to have something like that. 556 00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:06,480 Speaker 3: What are you going to do when the official doors closed, 557 00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:09,240 Speaker 3: You're going to find another window into the house. 558 00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:13,399 Speaker 4: I thought a piece of television that did a really 559 00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:16,680 Speaker 4: good job of telling the story of the human cost 560 00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:18,799 Speaker 4: of this whole thing was Dope Sick, which I think 561 00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:20,600 Speaker 4: was based on a memoir of some kind by one 562 00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:22,840 Speaker 4: of the doctors that was portrayed in the in the 563 00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:25,319 Speaker 4: series by Michael Keaton. I think that's right, But it 564 00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:28,759 Speaker 4: really does show not only the like how the sales 565 00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:31,440 Speaker 4: people worked and the information they were being given, and 566 00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:33,480 Speaker 4: how they were able these pharmacy reps were able to 567 00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:36,719 Speaker 4: go out to these you know, hospitals and pitch their 568 00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:39,920 Speaker 4: drug as being non addictive, but also how that trickled 569 00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:43,000 Speaker 4: down to, like, you know, regular folks who were prescribed 570 00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:46,279 Speaker 4: it legally and then ultimately just became completely strung out. 571 00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:48,799 Speaker 4: I think it's a really well done show, and I 572 00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:50,719 Speaker 4: do recommend that if you want to be reminded of 573 00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:54,720 Speaker 4: the damage that this family did. So I don't know, Matt, 574 00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:56,840 Speaker 4: does that kind of ensure what you were talking about, like, 575 00:36:56,920 --> 00:36:59,480 Speaker 4: how do we what can be done? Is it even possible? 576 00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:01,279 Speaker 4: Like I just feel like with the climate they we're 577 00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:03,319 Speaker 4: in now, it's feeling less and less possible. And this feels, 578 00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:04,440 Speaker 4: at the end of the day like a slap on 579 00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:04,960 Speaker 4: the wrist to me. 580 00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:10,759 Speaker 2: Well, any of these corporations can develop a drug, right 581 00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:14,400 Speaker 2: that they can then test themselves and then bring in 582 00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:16,919 Speaker 2: the regulators and pay some of them off and then 583 00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:20,640 Speaker 2: make their way through and create something that becomes just 584 00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:23,439 Speaker 2: as bad as this. All of the money, I mean, 585 00:37:23,719 --> 00:37:25,840 Speaker 2: there's a breakdown on the AP News article that you 586 00:37:26,239 --> 00:37:28,640 Speaker 2: linked to know that it does show exactly where the 587 00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:31,200 Speaker 2: money goes. And you know, two hundred and ten million 588 00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:33,960 Speaker 2: to the lawyers of local governments who've been fighting this 589 00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:38,279 Speaker 2: battle for how many years now? You know, money that 590 00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:42,120 Speaker 2: is going to go to individuals, but it'll probably be 591 00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:45,440 Speaker 2: between three thousand and forty eight thousand dollars. 592 00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:46,799 Speaker 3: And health insurers. 593 00:37:47,120 --> 00:37:50,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, oh yeah, a trust for Native American tribes that 594 00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:53,040 Speaker 2: were affected. There's incredible stuff. 595 00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:57,000 Speaker 4: I didn't see this infographic, Matt, what a really excellent 596 00:37:57,040 --> 00:37:59,200 Speaker 4: breakdown this is on the AP. I didn't realize that. 597 00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:02,319 Speaker 4: So that's cool. Well, at least they are paying, you know, 598 00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:06,240 Speaker 4: some sort of reparations to affected communities that I imagine 599 00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:10,799 Speaker 4: would go into various treatment programs and at the very least, 600 00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:13,080 Speaker 4: you know, counseling and stuff like that, because that stuff 601 00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:13,960 Speaker 4: isn't available. 602 00:38:14,640 --> 00:38:17,360 Speaker 2: But ultimately, this is money, and it's stated within that 603 00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:20,839 Speaker 2: article to fight the opioid crisis, that's right, So it's 604 00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:24,920 Speaker 2: money to fight the giant problem that the corporation created 605 00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:25,640 Speaker 2: in the first place. 606 00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:28,040 Speaker 4: Then that's so it's very positive. 607 00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:32,319 Speaker 2: It's positive, but ultimately it's it's trying to fix the 608 00:38:32,360 --> 00:38:34,960 Speaker 2: thing that is the crap show that we're already in. 609 00:38:36,080 --> 00:38:38,600 Speaker 2: So like, yeah, I just wish there was money that 610 00:38:38,680 --> 00:38:44,240 Speaker 2: was going to somehow setting up a way to penalize 611 00:38:44,719 --> 00:38:48,680 Speaker 2: an organization that looks to create something as addictive and 612 00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:51,959 Speaker 2: damaging as that drug was right. 613 00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:55,480 Speaker 4: I'm with you. I don't know what that looks like 614 00:38:55,600 --> 00:38:59,200 Speaker 4: those Yeah, no, no, I'm with you, And I will 615 00:38:59,239 --> 00:39:01,520 Speaker 4: say too, there's amount of this that I don't know. 616 00:39:01,600 --> 00:39:04,399 Speaker 4: The dollar amounts do seem meaningful, Like if you're talking 617 00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:08,040 Speaker 4: about one hundred and forty million dollars for trust for 618 00:39:08,120 --> 00:39:12,640 Speaker 4: Native American tribes that were affected infants affected by neonatal 619 00:39:12,680 --> 00:39:16,040 Speaker 4: abstinence syndrome one hundred and fourteen million, that does seem 620 00:39:16,080 --> 00:39:19,759 Speaker 4: like meaningful dollar amounts that could make a difference. But 621 00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:21,840 Speaker 4: to your point, it does start to feel a little 622 00:39:21,840 --> 00:39:25,480 Speaker 4: performative because it's like, way, way after the fact. And 623 00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:28,800 Speaker 4: is any amount of money enough to fix what Purdue 624 00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:30,239 Speaker 4: Pharma hathrought? 625 00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:31,160 Speaker 3: Yeah? 626 00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:35,440 Speaker 2: Well, I mean what three thousand, seven hundred dollars as 627 00:39:35,560 --> 00:39:38,400 Speaker 2: the minimum right for an individual victim? That's enough for 628 00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:41,080 Speaker 2: maybe a funeral maybe. 629 00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:42,080 Speaker 4: With the sheep casket. 630 00:39:42,239 --> 00:39:45,080 Speaker 2: Yeah well, but you know, up to forty eight thousand 631 00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:48,840 Speaker 2: is that worth the life of somebody that was lost 632 00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:51,200 Speaker 2: due to this stuff? And if you break down seven 633 00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:54,440 Speaker 2: hundred and seventy eight point eight million dollars to individual victims, 634 00:39:54,560 --> 00:39:57,719 Speaker 2: that's what it equals, three thousand, seven hundred to forty 635 00:39:57,719 --> 00:40:00,000 Speaker 2: eight thousand depending on who you are and how you're fe. 636 00:40:00,680 --> 00:40:04,120 Speaker 4: Well, there's that update, and yeah, I think it was 637 00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:06,960 Speaker 4: an opportunity to catch up on just how messed up 638 00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:09,560 Speaker 4: the whole situation was. So I will just leave you 639 00:40:09,600 --> 00:40:13,520 Speaker 4: with one more story. This one. It's pretty wild, y'all. 640 00:40:13,560 --> 00:40:16,759 Speaker 4: It feels it reminds me immediately of that episode of 641 00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:21,239 Speaker 4: the Twilight Zone terror at thirty thousand feet, I think, 642 00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:25,799 Speaker 4: where it was like William Shatner is being terrorized on 643 00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:29,320 Speaker 4: an airplane. He already has like horrible anxiety about flying, 644 00:40:29,320 --> 00:40:31,319 Speaker 4: and then he sees this like gremlin on the wing 645 00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:34,439 Speaker 4: and he just, you know, basically he's losing his mind. 646 00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:38,280 Speaker 4: Throughout the course of this episode, something very very similar 647 00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:42,200 Speaker 4: happened out of our state of Georgia and Savannah. A 648 00:40:42,280 --> 00:40:48,440 Speaker 4: passenger absolutely went ballistic physically violent behavior, lashing out at 649 00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:54,640 Speaker 4: crew members at fellow passengers due to what would appear, 650 00:40:55,400 --> 00:40:58,960 Speaker 4: at least as described by this individual as some form 651 00:40:59,040 --> 00:41:06,160 Speaker 4: of either demonic possession or belief that there were demonic 652 00:41:06,239 --> 00:41:09,799 Speaker 4: forces present on this flight that had followed this individual. 653 00:41:10,360 --> 00:41:15,839 Speaker 4: The individual in question is named Delanngea Augustine. He's thirty 654 00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:19,560 Speaker 4: one years old and on a flight leaving American Airlines 655 00:41:19,560 --> 00:41:24,200 Speaker 4: flight from Savannah, Georgia to Miami. He began to convulse 656 00:41:24,360 --> 00:41:28,440 Speaker 4: and shake. Initially, a lot of the attendants on board 657 00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:31,040 Speaker 4: thought that he was having some sort of medical emergency, 658 00:41:31,160 --> 00:41:35,600 Speaker 4: like a seizure, but he, in fact, it was later determined, 659 00:41:35,680 --> 00:41:39,520 Speaker 4: believe that a demonic spirit had entered the cabin of 660 00:41:39,560 --> 00:41:45,040 Speaker 4: this aircraft. He you know, kicked and punched folks on 661 00:41:45,040 --> 00:41:46,640 Speaker 4: the plane. One of them he kicked so hard in 662 00:41:46,680 --> 00:41:50,880 Speaker 4: the chest that an attendant, a flight attendant, actually tumbled, 663 00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:53,760 Speaker 4: you know, and flew across the aisle into a window 664 00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:55,359 Speaker 4: on the other side of the plane. This is all 665 00:41:55,400 --> 00:42:00,839 Speaker 4: according to an arrest report. Yeah, it's a quote from 666 00:42:01,440 --> 00:42:04,759 Speaker 4: Savannah Solomon, who's a special agent with the FBI. In 667 00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:09,120 Speaker 4: this New York Times piece about it. Augustine's choices appeared purposeful, 668 00:42:09,520 --> 00:42:16,640 Speaker 4: though difficult to describe. After a certain point, he swallowed 669 00:42:17,560 --> 00:42:23,759 Speaker 4: his rosary beats, you know, purposefully, claiming that later that 670 00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:27,279 Speaker 4: it was a protective means to guard him against the 671 00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:31,480 Speaker 4: demonic forces on board. I mean, everything about this just 672 00:42:31,640 --> 00:42:34,240 Speaker 4: is like feels like something you'd see in a film, 673 00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:36,640 Speaker 4: you know, and it's very scary. And it turns out 674 00:42:36,640 --> 00:42:39,520 Speaker 4: his sister when they were detained, said that they had 675 00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:47,439 Speaker 4: been fleeing Haiti due to spiritual oppression of some kind, 676 00:42:48,040 --> 00:42:52,000 Speaker 4: oppressive forces that were following them, and that they were 677 00:42:52,040 --> 00:42:55,440 Speaker 4: trying to escape from the words in particular, were to 678 00:42:55,920 --> 00:43:02,080 Speaker 4: flee religious attacks of a spiritual nature. His sister was 679 00:43:02,120 --> 00:43:05,160 Speaker 4: told by mister Augustin to close her eyes and pray 680 00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:08,759 Speaker 4: because Satan's disciples had followed them onto the plane and 681 00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:11,840 Speaker 4: the legion did not want the Augustines to make it 682 00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:15,040 Speaker 4: back to Haiti. And that's when he swallowed the rosary 683 00:43:15,080 --> 00:43:17,279 Speaker 4: beads and he referred to them as a weapon of 684 00:43:17,320 --> 00:43:22,919 Speaker 4: strength and the spiritual warfare. Only about eight other passengers 685 00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:25,080 Speaker 4: were on the plane. It must have been one of 686 00:43:25,120 --> 00:43:28,680 Speaker 4: those short little hopper puddle jumper type planes, and no 687 00:43:28,719 --> 00:43:32,600 Speaker 4: one was seriously injured, and you know, the crew apparently 688 00:43:32,640 --> 00:43:37,560 Speaker 4: acted very efficiently and quickly. He is facing charges, most 689 00:43:37,560 --> 00:43:41,960 Speaker 4: of which are misdemeanor's battery, obstruction of law enforcement, and 690 00:43:42,120 --> 00:43:46,120 Speaker 4: one felon account of criminal property damage. There have not 691 00:43:46,200 --> 00:43:50,680 Speaker 4: been any statements from a lawyer representing mister Augustin, So, yeah, 692 00:43:50,719 --> 00:43:53,279 Speaker 4: what do you guys think about that? It's a real 693 00:43:54,760 --> 00:43:55,839 Speaker 4: as real horror show. 694 00:43:55,840 --> 00:43:59,239 Speaker 2: There that's an intense situation where it feels like the 695 00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:03,359 Speaker 2: personal belief so the family affected a lot of other 696 00:44:03,400 --> 00:44:11,439 Speaker 2: people and also some kind of situation. It's interesting. There's 697 00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:15,960 Speaker 2: a quote in the USA Today article that you posted here, Noel, 698 00:44:16,360 --> 00:44:19,759 Speaker 2: where the family of this man who's experiencing all this 699 00:44:20,160 --> 00:44:22,840 Speaker 2: stuff says, I didn't what was it. The quote was 700 00:44:23,440 --> 00:44:25,960 Speaker 2: she was surprised that he had hurt anyone because quote, 701 00:44:25,960 --> 00:44:29,240 Speaker 2: he hurts evil, so like he is a spiritual warrior 702 00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:30,920 Speaker 2: of some sort in the belief of the family. 703 00:44:31,360 --> 00:44:34,080 Speaker 4: It just feels Jesus is also a mental health story, 704 00:44:34,080 --> 00:44:37,160 Speaker 4: and we know there's a lot of intersection between hardcore 705 00:44:37,200 --> 00:44:41,400 Speaker 4: spiritual beliefs and you know, mental illness that can kind 706 00:44:41,400 --> 00:44:44,920 Speaker 4: of synergistically affect one another and create sort of like 707 00:44:44,960 --> 00:44:46,719 Speaker 4: a whole new situation. 708 00:44:47,040 --> 00:44:50,879 Speaker 3: You know, mental health struggles are very much real, and 709 00:44:51,200 --> 00:44:55,120 Speaker 3: we do know that there's something about the contained environment 710 00:44:55,360 --> 00:45:00,040 Speaker 3: of a plane that can I don't know, you we 711 00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:03,239 Speaker 3: don't hear the stories about the plane flights that go 712 00:45:03,400 --> 00:45:07,840 Speaker 3: well where everybody on the plane behaves. We hear, you know, 713 00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:13,400 Speaker 3: people who maybe are having a mental break, maybe hallucinating. 714 00:45:13,840 --> 00:45:16,520 Speaker 3: It is going to be a story to keep an 715 00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:19,480 Speaker 3: eye on, and we wish the or I wish the 716 00:45:19,560 --> 00:45:21,000 Speaker 3: person in their family the best. 717 00:45:21,440 --> 00:45:24,400 Speaker 4: Oh same, no, no question, I mean it does. It 718 00:45:24,440 --> 00:45:26,160 Speaker 4: breaks my heart in away. I mean, this is obviously 719 00:45:26,160 --> 00:45:29,640 Speaker 4: someone who has a very strong spiritual belief and if 720 00:45:29,680 --> 00:45:32,360 Speaker 4: you want to take what his sister's saying and face value, 721 00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:35,560 Speaker 4: doesn't seem like someone who would typically lash out and 722 00:45:35,600 --> 00:45:39,960 Speaker 4: try to injure people, you know. So yeah, my heart 723 00:45:40,280 --> 00:45:42,319 Speaker 4: goes out to them as well, and definitely something to 724 00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:45,879 Speaker 4: keep an eye on. But let's let's pause here, take 725 00:45:45,880 --> 00:45:47,840 Speaker 4: a quick break here, a word from our sponsor, and 726 00:45:47,880 --> 00:45:50,200 Speaker 4: then we'll come back with one more piece of strange 727 00:45:50,239 --> 00:45:51,520 Speaker 4: news from mister Frederick. 728 00:45:57,080 --> 00:46:03,439 Speaker 2: And we've returned computer generate eighty foot tall version. I'm 729 00:46:03,480 --> 00:46:07,240 Speaker 2: just showing you. Have you guys seen that clif so, no, okay, 730 00:46:07,320 --> 00:46:09,360 Speaker 2: you should watch that. You should find that just search 731 00:46:09,719 --> 00:46:13,560 Speaker 2: computer generate eighty foot tall version of Daisy with a 732 00:46:13,560 --> 00:46:18,120 Speaker 2: full bladder, generate lawn chair and a pair of goggles. 733 00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:23,520 Speaker 3: Right, okay, I'm on it. 734 00:46:23,520 --> 00:46:27,360 Speaker 2: It's wonderful. Okay, let's talk about being stranded, you guys, 735 00:46:27,680 --> 00:46:30,240 Speaker 2: having no way out, like if you're on that plane 736 00:46:30,360 --> 00:46:34,120 Speaker 2: we just discussed, right, just having there's something occurring and 737 00:46:34,200 --> 00:46:36,320 Speaker 2: you cannot escape physically. 738 00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:38,319 Speaker 3: Sure, or like being in a freedom city that you're 739 00:46:38,320 --> 00:46:38,719 Speaker 3: born in. 740 00:46:39,320 --> 00:46:41,960 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, and you just don't know anything else outside 741 00:46:41,960 --> 00:46:45,640 Speaker 2: of it, and perhaps the perimeter is patrolled by robot 742 00:46:45,760 --> 00:46:49,680 Speaker 2: dogs with giant weaz f flamethrowers. 743 00:46:49,680 --> 00:46:53,000 Speaker 3: At least you could leave after paid a reasonable fee. 744 00:46:54,080 --> 00:46:56,640 Speaker 3: It's like the Hotel California, you can check out any 745 00:46:56,640 --> 00:47:00,319 Speaker 3: time you can't leave, or you know, being a bean 746 00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:03,960 Speaker 3: in space or yeah, being in a place you can't 747 00:47:03,960 --> 00:47:07,319 Speaker 3: walk away. It reminds me one thing, just a quick 748 00:47:07,400 --> 00:47:10,600 Speaker 3: note here. Met One thing that I think shocks a 749 00:47:10,640 --> 00:47:14,239 Speaker 3: lot of people and they're traveling internationally, is some countries 750 00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:18,200 Speaker 3: charge you a fee when you arrive, but then some 751 00:47:18,360 --> 00:47:20,719 Speaker 3: other countries charge you a fee to leave. 752 00:47:21,680 --> 00:47:24,480 Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I did not know. 753 00:47:24,480 --> 00:47:28,839 Speaker 2: That now, so hey, that's a really great point. There 754 00:47:28,920 --> 00:47:33,320 Speaker 2: is definitely a fee to leave the International Space Station 755 00:47:33,480 --> 00:47:36,400 Speaker 2: once you get up there, because we're and it's not 756 00:47:36,480 --> 00:47:38,560 Speaker 2: just a little fee. Well you don't have to pay 757 00:47:38,560 --> 00:47:42,440 Speaker 2: it necessarily, but somebody does, to the tune of millions 758 00:47:42,440 --> 00:47:47,040 Speaker 2: of dollars. So back gosh, this was last year, just 759 00:47:47,080 --> 00:47:50,520 Speaker 2: before the summer. Maybe it was late June, early July, 760 00:47:50,680 --> 00:47:53,719 Speaker 2: when we talked about two astronauts that went up to 761 00:47:53,760 --> 00:47:57,560 Speaker 2: the International Space Station on the very first, very exciting 762 00:47:57,960 --> 00:48:02,080 Speaker 2: Boeing Starliner spacecraft. It was the first time that humans 763 00:48:02,080 --> 00:48:05,120 Speaker 2: were going to be on there, actually traveling up to 764 00:48:05,160 --> 00:48:07,600 Speaker 2: the ISS, and they did it. They made it there. 765 00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:08,160 Speaker 3: Well. 766 00:48:08,160 --> 00:48:11,799 Speaker 2: Once they got there, Boeing realized, oh, there's a lot 767 00:48:11,800 --> 00:48:15,320 Speaker 2: of problems with our Starliner craft here, so we can't 768 00:48:15,440 --> 00:48:18,000 Speaker 2: actually send you back the way we wanted to, you know, 769 00:48:18,120 --> 00:48:21,920 Speaker 2: within a couple of days time there. So you're gonna 770 00:48:21,920 --> 00:48:24,839 Speaker 2: need to hang tight and we'll figure out the problem 771 00:48:24,920 --> 00:48:27,560 Speaker 2: and then you'll be good to go. That turned into 772 00:48:27,600 --> 00:48:30,320 Speaker 2: a couple of months, and then a couple more months, 773 00:48:31,080 --> 00:48:35,080 Speaker 2: and it turned into from early June twenty twenty four 774 00:48:35,360 --> 00:48:38,960 Speaker 2: to this week. Oh, actually last week, as you're hearing this, 775 00:48:39,880 --> 00:48:44,760 Speaker 2: when two NASA astronauts Butch Wilmore and Sonny Williams, finally 776 00:48:45,120 --> 00:48:48,360 Speaker 2: made it back to Earth, but not via a Boeing craft, 777 00:48:48,719 --> 00:48:54,120 Speaker 2: via a SpaceX craft. This is just an update, guys. 778 00:48:53,880 --> 00:48:57,120 Speaker 2: There's a ton of ton of writing about this, and 779 00:48:57,160 --> 00:48:58,880 Speaker 2: it's big in the news, like, oh my gosh, the 780 00:48:58,920 --> 00:49:02,279 Speaker 2: astronauts are back. We did it, Hurrah. And then it's 781 00:49:02,280 --> 00:49:06,320 Speaker 2: being politicized just because of the fact that SpaceX is 782 00:49:06,360 --> 00:49:10,640 Speaker 2: the one the company. They got him down right, it's 783 00:49:10,640 --> 00:49:13,160 Speaker 2: being stuff out there. The previous president did it wrong, 784 00:49:13,560 --> 00:49:15,840 Speaker 2: the new president did it right, and all this other stuff. 785 00:49:16,239 --> 00:49:21,800 Speaker 3: Ultimately the presidents who knows the president of Freedom Town, 786 00:49:22,040 --> 00:49:24,400 Speaker 3: Red white and Blue Land and all that stuff. 787 00:49:24,920 --> 00:49:27,440 Speaker 2: But it does none of that matters. What matters is 788 00:49:27,440 --> 00:49:30,520 Speaker 2: the two human beings who are awesome astronauts made it 789 00:49:30,600 --> 00:49:31,160 Speaker 2: back to Earth. 790 00:49:31,560 --> 00:49:32,920 Speaker 4: Yes, it's cool. 791 00:49:33,480 --> 00:49:37,000 Speaker 2: Two other astronauts came down with them, Nick and Alexander, 792 00:49:38,200 --> 00:49:40,120 Speaker 2: which is which is cool, and they made it out. 793 00:49:40,160 --> 00:49:43,160 Speaker 2: Everybody's safe, and a bunch of dolphins apparently a whole 794 00:49:43,160 --> 00:49:47,120 Speaker 2: pot of it, yes, which is it's just nice. That's 795 00:49:47,200 --> 00:49:48,080 Speaker 2: just nice to hear. 796 00:49:48,640 --> 00:49:48,960 Speaker 4: Folks. 797 00:49:49,000 --> 00:49:51,080 Speaker 3: Tell us where you think about this, because all right, 798 00:49:51,200 --> 00:49:55,400 Speaker 3: here's my theory, Matt Noel. Are those dolphins going to 799 00:49:55,480 --> 00:49:59,080 Speaker 3: come back and say that they saw UFO thanks for 800 00:49:59,160 --> 00:50:03,440 Speaker 3: all the fish. I hope that they are currently conspiracy 801 00:50:03,520 --> 00:50:06,560 Speaker 3: squeaking right now? You know this is real. 802 00:50:07,040 --> 00:50:11,319 Speaker 4: We saw a sorry, yeah, it's good. 803 00:50:11,400 --> 00:50:14,279 Speaker 2: Well, it was the biggest crash we've ever heard, right, 804 00:50:14,600 --> 00:50:16,239 Speaker 2: and then we went and checked it out, and there's 805 00:50:16,280 --> 00:50:17,759 Speaker 2: a bunch of creatures on it. 806 00:50:19,320 --> 00:50:22,959 Speaker 3: And why won't Dolphin government tell the truth about what's 807 00:50:23,000 --> 00:50:24,760 Speaker 3: going on there at the top of the water. 808 00:50:25,200 --> 00:50:27,959 Speaker 2: Yeah, what were those appendages they had that had little 809 00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:32,840 Speaker 2: tiny appendages on them? Ale weird. So anyway, that's a 810 00:50:32,880 --> 00:50:35,480 Speaker 2: cool story, guys. We're going to jump to another form 811 00:50:35,560 --> 00:50:38,440 Speaker 2: of being stranded that we've talked about on the show before, 812 00:50:39,719 --> 00:50:45,640 Speaker 2: traveling out to the frozen wastes of Antarctica and existing 813 00:50:45,719 --> 00:50:50,239 Speaker 2: on a research station and what it's like to know 814 00:50:50,800 --> 00:50:53,640 Speaker 2: that you have to wait for a very specific ship 815 00:50:53,719 --> 00:50:56,759 Speaker 2: to make a very dangerous trek out to where you are, 816 00:50:56,920 --> 00:50:59,520 Speaker 2: and then you have to take a very dangerous trek 817 00:50:59,719 --> 00:51:02,359 Speaker 2: out to where that ship is in order for any 818 00:51:02,480 --> 00:51:05,239 Speaker 2: supplies to come in, in order for any people to 819 00:51:05,400 --> 00:51:10,759 Speaker 2: arrive or to leave. Very let's just say I was 820 00:51:10,760 --> 00:51:13,600 Speaker 2: going to use the word precarious. It's a it's a 821 00:51:13,680 --> 00:51:16,200 Speaker 2: fragile existence, right. 822 00:51:16,400 --> 00:51:21,359 Speaker 3: It's a battle episode because a bottle knows because there's 823 00:51:21,400 --> 00:51:22,640 Speaker 3: such a small group. 824 00:51:23,440 --> 00:51:27,960 Speaker 2: Yes, So, so imagine that you are one of nine 825 00:51:28,080 --> 00:51:33,479 Speaker 2: people existing on a far flung research station in Antarctica. Uh, 826 00:51:33,520 --> 00:51:36,120 Speaker 2: and the only way in or out is by ship, 827 00:51:36,120 --> 00:51:37,560 Speaker 2: and the only way to get to that ship is 828 00:51:37,600 --> 00:51:42,680 Speaker 2: to take basically a small uh they call them, they 829 00:51:42,680 --> 00:51:44,920 Speaker 2: don't call them snowmobiles, they call them something else, but 830 00:51:45,400 --> 00:51:47,920 Speaker 2: a small snowmobile out to a larger vehicle, and then 831 00:51:47,960 --> 00:51:51,759 Speaker 2: take that slow, large vehicle down far, far away to 832 00:51:51,800 --> 00:51:55,520 Speaker 2: where a ship could arrive. Imagine somebody one of the 833 00:51:55,560 --> 00:51:59,840 Speaker 2: other nine people with you is getting real violent and 834 00:52:00,480 --> 00:52:05,640 Speaker 2: making threats, like threatening lives, and you're stuck in You know, 835 00:52:06,400 --> 00:52:09,440 Speaker 2: it's a fairly large station, the one we're going to 836 00:52:09,480 --> 00:52:13,600 Speaker 2: talk about, but it's also very claustrophobic. There's not a 837 00:52:13,640 --> 00:52:16,520 Speaker 2: lot of large open spaces there, and on the other 838 00:52:16,600 --> 00:52:20,480 Speaker 2: side of the wall, every wall is just snow and 839 00:52:20,960 --> 00:52:23,719 Speaker 2: negative thirty degrees celsius weather. 840 00:52:24,000 --> 00:52:28,279 Speaker 3: And HP Lovecraft monsters, Mountains of Madness. Yeah, yes, we're 841 00:52:28,320 --> 00:52:30,480 Speaker 3: talking about Sinai, right. 842 00:52:31,520 --> 00:52:37,040 Speaker 2: Yes, the the Sinai for base that's in Antarctica. It 843 00:52:37,120 --> 00:52:40,000 Speaker 2: is run by South Africa. It is officially their base. 844 00:52:40,600 --> 00:52:44,479 Speaker 2: And there was an email sent to a journalist from 845 00:52:44,520 --> 00:52:46,880 Speaker 2: one of the people who is currently staying on that 846 00:52:46,960 --> 00:52:51,000 Speaker 2: base saying that another team member had physically assaulted a 847 00:52:51,040 --> 00:52:55,840 Speaker 2: colleague and threatened to kill another colleague. This email also 848 00:52:56,120 --> 00:53:01,200 Speaker 2: alleged some sexual assault that is a little weird because 849 00:53:01,280 --> 00:53:05,440 Speaker 2: South African officials came through and said after investigation that 850 00:53:05,600 --> 00:53:09,239 Speaker 2: specific instance of sexual assault was not correct. But we 851 00:53:09,320 --> 00:53:11,560 Speaker 2: don't have all the details that is being kept by 852 00:53:11,560 --> 00:53:15,879 Speaker 2: whatever investigation was made there. We do know that there 853 00:53:16,040 --> 00:53:19,960 Speaker 2: was an individual on that base that did seem to 854 00:53:20,000 --> 00:53:24,360 Speaker 2: become violent, both in words and in actions, and it 855 00:53:24,520 --> 00:53:26,600 Speaker 2: just reminded me of some of the films that we've 856 00:53:26,600 --> 00:53:29,520 Speaker 2: seen over the years, or reminded me of the psychological 857 00:53:31,000 --> 00:53:33,960 Speaker 2: place you are in when you are in a far 858 00:53:34,040 --> 00:53:37,399 Speaker 2: flung place like that, feeling like there's no way out, 859 00:53:37,640 --> 00:53:39,640 Speaker 2: there's nothing you could even do. What am I going 860 00:53:39,719 --> 00:53:43,839 Speaker 2: to do? Send an email, which is what this person did, right, 861 00:53:43,880 --> 00:53:48,680 Speaker 2: Please help via email. It just doesn't seem like you're 862 00:53:48,680 --> 00:53:50,719 Speaker 2: going to get any help anytime. 863 00:53:50,280 --> 00:53:55,360 Speaker 3: Soon, especially the closest other physical basis like one hundred 864 00:53:55,360 --> 00:53:56,840 Speaker 3: and ninety miles away, right. 865 00:53:57,080 --> 00:54:02,040 Speaker 2: Yes, yes, so you could, I guess escape if you 866 00:54:02,080 --> 00:54:05,080 Speaker 2: wanted to an attempt to make it to the other place, 867 00:54:05,239 --> 00:54:09,680 Speaker 2: but the chances that you make it there safely are not. 868 00:54:09,800 --> 00:54:12,000 Speaker 4: Great, especially this time of year. 869 00:54:12,640 --> 00:54:15,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, oh yeah, it's not a great time of 870 00:54:15,520 --> 00:54:17,440 Speaker 2: year because everybody on that base is going to have 871 00:54:17,440 --> 00:54:21,120 Speaker 2: to stay there until I think December. Like that's like 872 00:54:21,160 --> 00:54:23,840 Speaker 2: they're locked there basically until December. 873 00:54:23,640 --> 00:54:28,439 Speaker 3: Because the hemispheres have opposing seasonal shifts. So yes, right 874 00:54:28,480 --> 00:54:34,520 Speaker 3: now in the very lowest part of the hemisphere, not 875 00:54:34,600 --> 00:54:39,440 Speaker 3: to be too normalizing the northern normalizing of the Northern hemisphere, 876 00:54:39,440 --> 00:54:45,759 Speaker 3: but in Antarctica right now, the weather is turning increasingly 877 00:54:45,920 --> 00:54:47,760 Speaker 3: hostile for travel. 878 00:54:48,200 --> 00:54:54,680 Speaker 2: You're snowedd Yes, unless a corporation or country or group 879 00:54:55,040 --> 00:54:58,279 Speaker 2: decided to spend a ton of money and send a 880 00:54:58,320 --> 00:55:00,560 Speaker 2: ship out there to do some kind of a urgency 881 00:55:00,600 --> 00:55:05,879 Speaker 2: evacuation or emergency intervention. Which again, just like on it's 882 00:55:05,920 --> 00:55:09,440 Speaker 2: not quite as expensive as you know, the whole SpaceX 883 00:55:09,800 --> 00:55:12,279 Speaker 2: saving them and all that stuff out in space, but 884 00:55:12,360 --> 00:55:15,360 Speaker 2: it's pretty close when it comes to just the expenses 885 00:55:15,360 --> 00:55:17,480 Speaker 2: that someone would have to incur to save. 886 00:55:17,239 --> 00:55:20,640 Speaker 3: You, and the dangers also there are very MiG Even 887 00:55:20,680 --> 00:55:25,879 Speaker 3: if you have a state level entity doing an exfiltration 888 00:55:26,040 --> 00:55:28,360 Speaker 3: on this, they're still going to be rolling the dice 889 00:55:28,440 --> 00:55:29,000 Speaker 3: a little bit. 890 00:55:29,680 --> 00:55:30,759 Speaker 4: Ah exactly. 891 00:55:31,880 --> 00:55:34,360 Speaker 2: So, guys, all of this is making me think about 892 00:55:34,640 --> 00:55:39,120 Speaker 2: being somewhat stranded here on planet Earth because in both cases, 893 00:55:39,200 --> 00:55:42,560 Speaker 2: the individuals on the Sinai Research Station, the people who 894 00:55:42,560 --> 00:55:46,520 Speaker 2: are out on iss they made it or the concept 895 00:55:46,600 --> 00:55:49,239 Speaker 2: right is you make it to safety, you make it 896 00:55:49,360 --> 00:55:52,520 Speaker 2: to a place that is that feels maybe more like home, 897 00:55:52,880 --> 00:55:56,600 Speaker 2: that feels like I'm no longer in danger. We're currently 898 00:55:56,640 --> 00:55:58,719 Speaker 2: all of us. If you can hear this existing on 899 00:55:58,800 --> 00:56:00,359 Speaker 2: planet Earth, right. 900 00:56:00,560 --> 00:56:02,879 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's the first spaceship when you think about it. 901 00:56:03,040 --> 00:56:07,440 Speaker 2: At least that we're aware of, right, And it's making 902 00:56:07,480 --> 00:56:10,120 Speaker 2: me think about more of that stuff out there, right, 903 00:56:10,160 --> 00:56:12,480 Speaker 2: connecting it back up to space. And there was this 904 00:56:12,600 --> 00:56:15,480 Speaker 2: documentary that really caught my eye. I've not seen the 905 00:56:15,520 --> 00:56:18,560 Speaker 2: film yet, I've only watched the trailer, but when I 906 00:56:18,640 --> 00:56:21,080 Speaker 2: watched the trailer and then did a little digging, it 907 00:56:21,480 --> 00:56:24,799 Speaker 2: reminded me of the first time we talked about the 908 00:56:24,800 --> 00:56:29,360 Speaker 2: Disclosure Project, Stephen Greer's thing that he put together out 909 00:56:29,400 --> 00:56:33,360 Speaker 2: in Washington in two thousand. This concept of bringing together 910 00:56:33,520 --> 00:56:38,400 Speaker 2: as many individual human beings that have true access to 911 00:56:38,480 --> 00:56:42,399 Speaker 2: government programs, especially those special programs that we've talked about 912 00:56:42,440 --> 00:56:46,120 Speaker 2: on in this show before, where only a couple of 913 00:56:46,160 --> 00:56:50,000 Speaker 2: members of Congress, sometimes only a couple senators sometimes even 914 00:56:50,120 --> 00:56:55,400 Speaker 2: know that they exist. This documentary, it's called Age of Disclosure, 915 00:56:55,760 --> 00:56:59,440 Speaker 2: brings together around thirty human beings that have real access 916 00:56:59,560 --> 00:57:04,000 Speaker 2: to these programs like a TIP and programs like the 917 00:57:04,040 --> 00:57:06,600 Speaker 2: ones that are that followed a TIP that are happening 918 00:57:06,680 --> 00:57:11,719 Speaker 2: right now that are looking at unidentified anomaloust phenomena, which 919 00:57:11,760 --> 00:57:15,400 Speaker 2: is what they call it now, and they are coming 920 00:57:15,400 --> 00:57:20,680 Speaker 2: forward in this documentary and saying, yes, non human intelligence exists. 921 00:57:20,920 --> 00:57:23,360 Speaker 2: It has been here for a long time. The technology 922 00:57:23,360 --> 00:57:25,760 Speaker 2: has been here for a long time. We are currently 923 00:57:25,880 --> 00:57:29,720 Speaker 2: in a cold war with every other country on the planet, 924 00:57:30,440 --> 00:57:33,800 Speaker 2: especially the United States and China and Russia, and that 925 00:57:33,880 --> 00:57:38,560 Speaker 2: cold war is all about taking this crashed technology or 926 00:57:38,600 --> 00:57:41,080 Speaker 2: technology that has been encountered that is not of this 927 00:57:41,160 --> 00:57:45,720 Speaker 2: world and somehow reverse engineering it. And they are saying 928 00:57:45,720 --> 00:57:49,760 Speaker 2: that the first country or superpower that successfully reverse engineers 929 00:57:49,800 --> 00:57:54,720 Speaker 2: it will be the next dominant hegemonic power on this planet. 930 00:57:55,040 --> 00:57:57,400 Speaker 3: Ooh, and they're not saying, by the way, I love 931 00:57:57,400 --> 00:57:59,320 Speaker 3: that you're playing this out, Matt, because it's something we 932 00:57:59,440 --> 00:58:05,800 Speaker 3: point out. Obviously, no one has said definitely extra terrestrial. 933 00:58:06,120 --> 00:58:09,520 Speaker 3: The confirmed phrase that is being used by a lot 934 00:58:09,520 --> 00:58:12,720 Speaker 3: of people who are experts in their fields is non 935 00:58:12,960 --> 00:58:17,520 Speaker 3: human in origin, and that's a hell of a umbrella phrase. 936 00:58:18,120 --> 00:58:20,440 Speaker 2: Well, some of the folks in there. I think they 937 00:58:20,560 --> 00:58:25,040 Speaker 2: use the aliens wordy. 938 00:58:25,280 --> 00:58:26,800 Speaker 3: In the trailer at least. Yeah. 939 00:58:26,960 --> 00:58:30,800 Speaker 2: Well, from what I'm reading about the documentary, so people 940 00:58:30,840 --> 00:58:33,480 Speaker 2: who were at south By Southwest this year were able 941 00:58:33,520 --> 00:58:37,960 Speaker 2: to see it. That's where it premiered. And and the 942 00:58:38,080 --> 00:58:41,720 Speaker 2: interesting thing to me, guys, is that there are there 943 00:58:41,760 --> 00:58:44,240 Speaker 2: appears to be bipartisan support when it comes to the 944 00:58:44,240 --> 00:58:48,320 Speaker 2: two party system in this country, for more money being 945 00:58:48,360 --> 00:58:52,840 Speaker 2: thrown at this concept, for more transparency about this idea. 946 00:58:53,960 --> 00:58:59,560 Speaker 2: You've got people like Marco Rubio, people little Micah, Yeah, 947 00:58:59,680 --> 00:59:04,760 Speaker 2: the Secretary of State, Mark Rubio. You've got Kristen I 948 00:59:04,800 --> 00:59:09,360 Speaker 2: don't know how to say her name, Gillibrand Gillibrand she's 949 00:59:09,360 --> 00:59:13,840 Speaker 2: from New York, she's a senator. You've got uh, there's 950 00:59:14,000 --> 00:59:17,840 Speaker 2: there's several other lawmakers from both sides of the aisle 951 00:59:17,880 --> 00:59:20,520 Speaker 2: who are saying, hey, we need to do more with 952 00:59:20,560 --> 00:59:22,720 Speaker 2: this thing. This is really important. And then you got 953 00:59:22,720 --> 00:59:26,320 Speaker 2: people from the intelligence side, from the Pentagon, from people 954 00:59:26,400 --> 00:59:30,880 Speaker 2: who are career Pentagon officials coming forward and saying, yeah, 955 00:59:30,880 --> 00:59:33,240 Speaker 2: this is this is absolutely real. It's time for us 956 00:59:33,280 --> 00:59:36,360 Speaker 2: to take this seriously and tell people because we've been 957 00:59:36,400 --> 00:59:40,320 Speaker 2: keeping it secret for so long. It's always in a 958 00:59:40,400 --> 00:59:43,560 Speaker 2: lot of these documentaries. It's talked about as in, it's 959 00:59:43,560 --> 00:59:45,800 Speaker 2: the alien thing, right, it's the concept of aliens. Oh, 960 00:59:45,800 --> 00:59:49,680 Speaker 2: there's all these possibilities with aliens. What this is focused on, 961 00:59:50,200 --> 00:59:54,160 Speaker 2: at least to my understanding, is this arms race essentially 962 00:59:54,160 --> 00:59:55,680 Speaker 2: that we're all locked into. 963 00:59:55,560 --> 00:59:58,960 Speaker 3: Because it's a it's a defense threat at this point. 964 00:59:58,560 --> 01:00:02,080 Speaker 2: To everybody, and and everybody wants the new thing because 965 01:00:02,080 --> 01:00:07,040 Speaker 2: whoever gets it first, whoever drops that technology first, wins, 966 01:00:08,280 --> 01:00:10,760 Speaker 2: at least according to the folks in this documentary. But 967 01:00:11,320 --> 01:00:12,800 Speaker 2: I just want to put that out there for anybody 968 01:00:12,840 --> 01:00:15,680 Speaker 2: who's listening. What do you think about all of that stuff? 969 01:00:16,600 --> 01:00:18,360 Speaker 2: What do you think about everything we've talked about on 970 01:00:18,400 --> 01:00:21,680 Speaker 2: this episode today? You should contact us. 971 01:00:22,480 --> 01:00:25,800 Speaker 3: Yes, there are many ways to do so. You can 972 01:00:25,920 --> 01:00:30,680 Speaker 3: take your local UAP over down our way, just drop by, 973 01:00:31,000 --> 01:00:33,640 Speaker 3: you know what I mean, Send us a blurry photograph 974 01:00:33,720 --> 01:00:37,200 Speaker 3: of yourself Bigfoot style. By the way, there's also a 975 01:00:37,280 --> 01:00:39,040 Speaker 3: move I don't know, I told you guys, there's a 976 01:00:39,120 --> 01:00:44,040 Speaker 3: move to make Bigfoot the state cryptid of California. So 977 01:00:44,080 --> 01:00:46,640 Speaker 3: gobout that. Yeah, yeah, we're on board with that. 978 01:00:46,720 --> 01:00:49,000 Speaker 4: I think it'd be Oregon, though, honestly. 979 01:00:49,200 --> 01:00:51,720 Speaker 3: You know, hopefully it's setting a precedent, fair enough, right, 980 01:00:52,800 --> 01:00:56,400 Speaker 3: matting a precedent there, It is so you could contact 981 01:00:56,520 --> 01:00:59,640 Speaker 3: us with your take on all of these stories. We 982 01:00:59,640 --> 01:01:03,080 Speaker 3: discuss us recommendations of other stories you fill your fellow 983 01:01:03,080 --> 01:01:06,640 Speaker 3: conspiracy realist will enjoy in an upcoming episode. How do 984 01:01:06,720 --> 01:01:09,600 Speaker 3: I do that? You're asking yourself? So glad you asked. 985 01:01:09,760 --> 01:01:11,840 Speaker 3: You can call us on a telephonic device, You can 986 01:01:11,880 --> 01:01:14,240 Speaker 3: send us an email. 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