1 00:00:00,520 --> 00:00:02,880 Speaker 1: It's a bye week this week, which means there isn't 2 00:00:02,880 --> 00:00:05,360 Speaker 1: a new episode of Dope Labs, but we are really 3 00:00:05,360 --> 00:00:09,560 Speaker 1: excited to reshare one of our very favorite episodes. 4 00:00:09,880 --> 00:00:14,440 Speaker 2: Yes, it's three years later, but not too much has changed. 5 00:00:14,840 --> 00:00:19,000 Speaker 2: Our Cuffing season schedule is the same, so we're right 6 00:00:19,079 --> 00:00:21,000 Speaker 2: in the draft of Cuffing season. 7 00:00:21,079 --> 00:00:21,720 Speaker 1: And if you're. 8 00:00:21,600 --> 00:00:24,720 Speaker 2: Wondering what we're talking about when we say cuffing season. 9 00:00:24,600 --> 00:00:26,000 Speaker 3: This lab is for you. 10 00:00:26,440 --> 00:00:28,080 Speaker 1: If you're on the market for a new boot, get 11 00:00:28,120 --> 00:00:29,080 Speaker 1: out your pen and paper. 12 00:00:29,640 --> 00:00:31,880 Speaker 3: I'm TT and I'm Zukiah. 13 00:00:31,400 --> 00:01:00,320 Speaker 1: And from Spotify Studios. This is Dope Labs. Can and 14 00:01:00,320 --> 00:01:02,400 Speaker 1: I met in grad school where we were both getting 15 00:01:02,440 --> 00:01:06,399 Speaker 1: our pahds. Mine is in engineering and hers symbology. It 16 00:01:06,640 --> 00:01:09,840 Speaker 1: was a tough time, to say the least, and in 17 00:01:09,880 --> 00:01:11,959 Speaker 1: our pursuit to get the hell out of there, we 18 00:01:12,080 --> 00:01:14,800 Speaker 1: became cousin. You know how black folks do. She my 19 00:01:14,880 --> 00:01:15,440 Speaker 1: play cousin. 20 00:01:15,880 --> 00:01:18,520 Speaker 2: TT and I would set up our experiments to run overnight. 21 00:01:18,840 --> 00:01:21,880 Speaker 2: Then we'd go to the bar calculing those people's faces 22 00:01:22,080 --> 00:01:24,880 Speaker 2: until about two am, go home, change our lipstick to 23 00:01:24,920 --> 00:01:27,640 Speaker 2: a daytime color, and head back to the lab. So 24 00:01:27,880 --> 00:01:30,320 Speaker 2: we've basically been doing this podcast since twenty eleven. 25 00:01:30,360 --> 00:01:31,600 Speaker 3: We're just now hitting record. 26 00:01:31,920 --> 00:01:34,920 Speaker 1: This podcast ain't for your mama, it ain't for your kids. 27 00:01:35,280 --> 00:01:40,360 Speaker 1: We're talking about things from TMZ, shade Room, Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, 28 00:01:40,440 --> 00:01:43,959 Speaker 1: the barbershop, the hair salon. We are the people's scientists, 29 00:01:43,959 --> 00:01:46,240 Speaker 1: so we're talking about things that you and your crew 30 00:01:46,280 --> 00:01:47,840 Speaker 1: are going to be talking about in your group chats 31 00:01:47,840 --> 00:01:48,480 Speaker 1: and at brunch. 32 00:01:48,680 --> 00:01:49,160 Speaker 3: That's right. 33 00:01:49,320 --> 00:01:51,600 Speaker 2: If grad school taught us anything is how to ask 34 00:01:51,640 --> 00:01:53,960 Speaker 2: a good question. So what we're gonna do is take 35 00:01:54,040 --> 00:01:56,280 Speaker 2: all the t and shade from the internet and use 36 00:01:56,320 --> 00:01:57,320 Speaker 2: the scientific approach. 37 00:01:57,520 --> 00:02:00,560 Speaker 1: Oh, like, how did Safari get that new airlines? 38 00:02:00,600 --> 00:02:00,760 Speaker 3: Yes? 39 00:02:01,040 --> 00:02:02,600 Speaker 1: Was that inpatient or outpatient? 40 00:02:02,720 --> 00:02:02,840 Speaker 4: Sir? 41 00:02:03,040 --> 00:02:03,720 Speaker 3: I don't know. 42 00:02:04,160 --> 00:02:06,920 Speaker 2: And then everybody talking about mercury being in retrograde? What 43 00:02:07,000 --> 00:02:09,040 Speaker 2: does that have to do with your bad attitude? How 44 00:02:09,120 --> 00:02:11,120 Speaker 2: you can't keep using that excuse? 45 00:02:11,280 --> 00:02:14,120 Speaker 1: And like, what is the sunken place? Is that a 46 00:02:14,160 --> 00:02:16,160 Speaker 1: real thing? Is that like a real disorder? 47 00:02:16,280 --> 00:02:17,760 Speaker 3: No, that's a real place. It has to be. 48 00:02:18,040 --> 00:02:20,200 Speaker 1: I think the guy that's at the front door at 49 00:02:20,200 --> 00:02:23,120 Speaker 1: my apartment building is in the sunken place. Every morning 50 00:02:23,120 --> 00:02:25,680 Speaker 1: when he sees me, he says, good morning, madam. 51 00:02:25,840 --> 00:02:27,239 Speaker 3: Nobody talks like that, he's. 52 00:02:27,080 --> 00:02:29,120 Speaker 1: A black man. No, nobody's talking like that. 53 00:02:29,320 --> 00:02:31,360 Speaker 2: When it comes down to it, we just want to 54 00:02:31,360 --> 00:02:33,960 Speaker 2: help you appreciate the science in your day to day. 55 00:02:34,280 --> 00:02:37,400 Speaker 3: Trust us, we're doctors. Welcome to the lab. 56 00:02:37,639 --> 00:02:39,920 Speaker 1: Go to TG go to key t. 57 00:02:43,919 --> 00:02:44,040 Speaker 5: Up. 58 00:02:49,280 --> 00:02:51,600 Speaker 2: Before we dive into our first subject, we really want 59 00:02:51,639 --> 00:02:53,680 Speaker 2: to just lay out how this podcast works. 60 00:02:54,200 --> 00:02:57,359 Speaker 1: Dope Labs is based on our actual experiences in the lab, because, 61 00:02:57,400 --> 00:02:59,919 Speaker 1: like we said earlier, we're actually scientists. 62 00:03:00,200 --> 00:03:03,200 Speaker 3: The first step in any lab is a recitation. 63 00:03:02,960 --> 00:03:05,200 Speaker 1: And a recitation is like a summary. 64 00:03:05,400 --> 00:03:07,920 Speaker 2: In the recitation, we bring everyone up to speed and 65 00:03:08,000 --> 00:03:09,519 Speaker 2: lay out the basics. 66 00:03:09,080 --> 00:03:10,880 Speaker 1: What do we already know and what do we need 67 00:03:10,960 --> 00:03:11,160 Speaker 1: to know. 68 00:03:11,480 --> 00:03:13,800 Speaker 2: Then it's time for the deep dive. We call that 69 00:03:13,880 --> 00:03:16,200 Speaker 2: part of the podcast the dissection. 70 00:03:16,000 --> 00:03:18,000 Speaker 1: And that's when we bring in the experts and ask 71 00:03:18,080 --> 00:03:21,920 Speaker 1: them all the questions. Finally, you draw your conclusion and 72 00:03:22,000 --> 00:03:23,760 Speaker 1: at that point you're basically a scientist. 73 00:03:23,880 --> 00:03:26,959 Speaker 3: So that's twenty years or so. But at Constant School. 74 00:03:26,760 --> 00:03:28,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, but I think we're in the position to really 75 00:03:28,639 --> 00:03:32,400 Speaker 2: grant people like PhD I dub the a doctor. 76 00:03:32,560 --> 00:03:34,240 Speaker 3: You sir, are a biologists. 77 00:03:34,440 --> 00:03:34,760 Speaker 1: Why not? 78 00:03:35,280 --> 00:03:36,680 Speaker 3: So let's get to the recitation. 79 00:03:37,120 --> 00:03:40,520 Speaker 1: Today, we're talking about cuffing season, and so let's figure 80 00:03:40,520 --> 00:03:43,280 Speaker 1: out what we already know about it and what we 81 00:03:43,520 --> 00:03:45,720 Speaker 1: want to know more about And who knows better than 82 00:03:45,800 --> 00:03:48,560 Speaker 1: y'all the people on the front lines of cuffing season. 83 00:03:48,880 --> 00:03:50,000 Speaker 1: Let's hear what you have to say. 84 00:03:51,040 --> 00:03:53,000 Speaker 3: Do either of you know what cuffing season is? I 85 00:03:53,000 --> 00:03:54,000 Speaker 3: don't no idea? 86 00:03:54,800 --> 00:03:57,480 Speaker 1: Is that? Where do you start cuffing your paths around 87 00:03:57,600 --> 00:03:58,200 Speaker 1: fall time? 88 00:03:58,800 --> 00:03:59,840 Speaker 6: What's cuffing season? 89 00:04:00,280 --> 00:04:00,480 Speaker 1: Yeah? 90 00:04:00,760 --> 00:04:01,200 Speaker 7: I don't know. 91 00:04:01,280 --> 00:04:03,280 Speaker 6: It's hard to explain. It's like when you got a 92 00:04:03,360 --> 00:04:06,440 Speaker 6: mutual thing with somebody and you're ready to stop seeing 93 00:04:06,480 --> 00:04:09,240 Speaker 6: other people, then you take that leap. 94 00:04:09,480 --> 00:04:13,160 Speaker 8: Well, you know, I think it's the phenomenon that the 95 00:04:13,560 --> 00:04:16,320 Speaker 8: colder months are coming. You don't want to endure those 96 00:04:16,360 --> 00:04:20,440 Speaker 8: by yourself. Something from my very distant past before I 97 00:04:20,480 --> 00:04:22,799 Speaker 8: met my current wife, winter hibernation. 98 00:04:22,880 --> 00:04:25,920 Speaker 3: You date people over the winter. Yes, that's exactly it. 99 00:04:26,440 --> 00:04:29,919 Speaker 3: So you guys are locked in, Yeah, and we have handcuffs? 100 00:04:30,240 --> 00:04:30,520 Speaker 5: Whoah? 101 00:04:32,520 --> 00:04:34,040 Speaker 1: Are you all ready for cuffing season? 102 00:04:34,680 --> 00:04:41,520 Speaker 4: Ah? I am not ready for cuffing season. I'm taking applications. 103 00:04:41,760 --> 00:04:42,760 Speaker 4: My dms are open. 104 00:04:42,920 --> 00:04:45,000 Speaker 1: Are you trying to be a kuffer or a cuffee, 105 00:04:45,040 --> 00:04:46,840 Speaker 1: you want somebody to come get you. You're trying to 106 00:04:46,880 --> 00:04:47,479 Speaker 1: be out here. 107 00:04:47,680 --> 00:04:50,240 Speaker 4: So like, I'm a strong, independent black woman. 108 00:04:50,440 --> 00:04:52,200 Speaker 3: All right, everybody, all. 109 00:04:52,080 --> 00:04:58,320 Speaker 4: These men, everybody around what happened, But like I would 110 00:04:58,400 --> 00:05:01,160 Speaker 4: want the cuffin to be mutual, Like we both come 111 00:05:01,200 --> 00:05:03,560 Speaker 4: to a place like damn, I really violece with you heavy, 112 00:05:03,640 --> 00:05:06,040 Speaker 4: Like Damn, I think I might love you now we're cuffed. 113 00:05:07,040 --> 00:05:09,200 Speaker 1: Okay, so that was my first time talking to strangers 114 00:05:09,480 --> 00:05:10,120 Speaker 1: not mine. 115 00:05:10,400 --> 00:05:13,320 Speaker 2: We know cuffing season has become pretty mainstream since it 116 00:05:13,360 --> 00:05:15,360 Speaker 2: started trending on Twitter about a decade ago. 117 00:05:15,640 --> 00:05:18,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, some mainstream. Now even white folks know about it. 118 00:05:18,279 --> 00:05:18,719 Speaker 3: That's right. 119 00:05:18,839 --> 00:05:21,240 Speaker 2: But for those of you who are still living under 120 00:05:21,279 --> 00:05:24,000 Speaker 2: a rock and you're still unclear about what we're talking about, 121 00:05:24,279 --> 00:05:27,080 Speaker 2: here's the breakdown. It's the time of year when single 122 00:05:27,080 --> 00:05:29,479 Speaker 2: people start to look for a partner to be their 123 00:05:29,520 --> 00:05:33,760 Speaker 2: boo until the weather gets warm, my boo hoo. That 124 00:05:33,880 --> 00:05:37,680 Speaker 2: falsetto This is definitely not a long term thing. It 125 00:05:37,760 --> 00:05:41,159 Speaker 2: is a short term situation for people who don't like 126 00:05:41,200 --> 00:05:43,400 Speaker 2: to go out and be social during the wintertime, and 127 00:05:43,440 --> 00:05:45,760 Speaker 2: when it warms up, you release that cuff back into 128 00:05:45,800 --> 00:05:49,599 Speaker 2: the wild. And people take this seriously. Google cuffing season 129 00:05:49,680 --> 00:05:53,200 Speaker 2: right now, you're gonna come across contracts calendars with all 130 00:05:53,200 --> 00:05:54,120 Speaker 2: these deadlines. 131 00:05:54,279 --> 00:05:56,320 Speaker 1: I'm looking at one of these calendars right now, and 132 00:05:56,400 --> 00:06:00,520 Speaker 1: it's like a day to day breakdown of what you're 133 00:06:00,560 --> 00:06:03,800 Speaker 1: supposed to be doing. It is crazy. Flirt Week starts 134 00:06:03,800 --> 00:06:07,000 Speaker 1: in September, the first week of September, and then you 135 00:06:07,080 --> 00:06:10,200 Speaker 1: have to start sending good morning texts at the end 136 00:06:10,240 --> 00:06:15,520 Speaker 1: of September. Then the good morning texts continue through October. 137 00:06:15,560 --> 00:06:18,000 Speaker 1: The first week of October, and then the last three 138 00:06:18,040 --> 00:06:20,120 Speaker 1: weeks of October, you're supposed to be sealing the deal. 139 00:06:20,640 --> 00:06:24,520 Speaker 1: So after that you're with that person throughout the winner 140 00:06:24,680 --> 00:06:29,800 Speaker 1: and you stay cuffed with that person until today Valentine's Day. 141 00:06:31,000 --> 00:06:34,559 Speaker 1: So there's a science to cuffing season, but there's also 142 00:06:34,760 --> 00:06:36,120 Speaker 1: actual science behind it. 143 00:06:36,279 --> 00:06:42,200 Speaker 2: Cuffing season draws elements of so many different sciences psychology, biology, chemistry. 144 00:06:41,800 --> 00:06:44,680 Speaker 1: Genetics, and if we can understand some of the science 145 00:06:44,680 --> 00:06:47,400 Speaker 1: behind cuffing season, maybe it'll help us strategize. 146 00:06:47,640 --> 00:06:51,640 Speaker 2: Write Zakiah, that's right, full disclaimer. Okay, I see where 147 00:06:51,680 --> 00:06:52,159 Speaker 2: you're going. 148 00:06:52,440 --> 00:06:55,360 Speaker 3: So this past cuff and season, I was all in. 149 00:06:55,440 --> 00:06:56,080 Speaker 3: I was gung ho. 150 00:06:56,200 --> 00:06:58,960 Speaker 2: I said, yes, I'm going to fully participate. I'm out here, 151 00:06:59,040 --> 00:07:01,000 Speaker 2: you know. I was like, all right, I'm I'm looking 152 00:07:01,000 --> 00:07:04,599 Speaker 2: for a cuff, but nothing too too serious. I know 153 00:07:04,640 --> 00:07:06,440 Speaker 2: you think I have a commitment problem, but I. 154 00:07:06,400 --> 00:07:07,839 Speaker 1: Mean she has a commitment problem. 155 00:07:07,839 --> 00:07:09,920 Speaker 2: I could go with a six month contract, you know, 156 00:07:10,000 --> 00:07:11,840 Speaker 2: and based on performance and option to renew. 157 00:07:12,080 --> 00:07:13,400 Speaker 1: That's like a cell phone plan. 158 00:07:13,720 --> 00:07:14,240 Speaker 3: That's right. 159 00:07:14,560 --> 00:07:18,680 Speaker 1: I have a lot of questions about what's actually going on, Like, 160 00:07:18,800 --> 00:07:21,400 Speaker 1: is this something that is innate within all of us? 161 00:07:21,400 --> 00:07:24,280 Speaker 1: Have we always been cuffing like we're Adam and Eve cuffing? 162 00:07:24,360 --> 00:07:27,200 Speaker 2: Hey, apples are a fall fruit? Do animals have a 163 00:07:27,240 --> 00:07:30,000 Speaker 2: cuffing season? Does it fit the same schedule or calendar 164 00:07:30,080 --> 00:07:30,760 Speaker 2: year like we have. 165 00:07:31,120 --> 00:07:33,480 Speaker 1: I don't know. So I think we should call in 166 00:07:33,560 --> 00:07:34,520 Speaker 1: some reinforcements. 167 00:07:34,640 --> 00:07:35,880 Speaker 3: It's time for the dissection. 168 00:07:36,160 --> 00:07:38,600 Speaker 1: We evenen listed our good friend, doctor Alex Tria t 169 00:07:38,600 --> 00:07:40,680 Speaker 1: helps Akia figure out what she's been doing wrong. 170 00:07:40,720 --> 00:07:42,160 Speaker 3: I haven't been doing anything wrong. 171 00:07:42,240 --> 00:07:46,080 Speaker 1: Okay, okay, that's that was unfair, But there's always room 172 00:07:46,520 --> 00:07:47,120 Speaker 1: for growth. 173 00:07:47,600 --> 00:07:48,280 Speaker 3: I'll take it. 174 00:07:48,440 --> 00:07:50,840 Speaker 7: Hi, my name is Alex Trio and I'm a behavioral 175 00:07:50,880 --> 00:07:51,400 Speaker 7: a cologist. 176 00:07:51,440 --> 00:07:54,080 Speaker 1: I'd get it for College, Alex studies a sexual selection 177 00:07:54,200 --> 00:07:56,640 Speaker 1: and mating behaviors of beetles and other species. 178 00:07:57,000 --> 00:07:59,400 Speaker 2: I'm thinking more along the lines of Prince Charming, not 179 00:07:59,480 --> 00:08:02,760 Speaker 2: beetled you. But I guess if you think about it, humans, 180 00:08:02,800 --> 00:08:06,000 Speaker 2: we're just animals, these bingernails, soft claws. 181 00:08:06,120 --> 00:08:10,080 Speaker 1: That being said, things have changed a lot since Kman days, right. 182 00:08:09,960 --> 00:08:12,200 Speaker 3: Girl, Things have changed since the sixties. 183 00:08:12,040 --> 00:08:14,560 Speaker 1: Really, if we're being honest, since the nineties. 184 00:08:14,200 --> 00:08:16,520 Speaker 3: Except turtlenecks. Turtlenecks are still in. 185 00:08:16,760 --> 00:08:19,679 Speaker 1: That is very true. Turtlenecks are evergreen. But the point 186 00:08:19,760 --> 00:08:22,880 Speaker 1: is we're not out here trying to cuff two half babies. 187 00:08:22,920 --> 00:08:23,400 Speaker 3: That's right. 188 00:08:23,600 --> 00:08:26,600 Speaker 1: But for animals, they only care about one thing when 189 00:08:26,600 --> 00:08:30,920 Speaker 1: it comes to mating, and that's offspring. Reproducing means surviving. 190 00:08:31,120 --> 00:08:33,199 Speaker 1: It's all about them babies. 191 00:08:32,880 --> 00:08:34,880 Speaker 2: And the partner and animal chooses to couple up and 192 00:08:34,920 --> 00:08:37,840 Speaker 2: have offspring with is crucial. So Alex is going to 193 00:08:37,840 --> 00:08:39,880 Speaker 2: talk to us about how animals make that choice. 194 00:08:39,880 --> 00:08:40,800 Speaker 3: What are they looking for? 195 00:08:41,040 --> 00:08:43,920 Speaker 1: She says, it starts with environmental cues. A change in 196 00:08:43,960 --> 00:08:46,640 Speaker 1: the temperature is usually the first signal to an animal 197 00:08:46,679 --> 00:08:48,200 Speaker 1: that is time to start looking for a partner. 198 00:08:48,480 --> 00:08:51,360 Speaker 7: Ai Monogami is going to be somewhat ceasonal right, because 199 00:08:51,360 --> 00:08:54,280 Speaker 7: they're going to be looking for the time. What they're 200 00:08:54,280 --> 00:08:57,520 Speaker 7: looking for is the time where gestation's over and then 201 00:08:57,960 --> 00:08:59,080 Speaker 7: the best season. 202 00:08:58,800 --> 00:09:00,920 Speaker 9: At which there are spring is going to be able 203 00:09:01,000 --> 00:09:01,560 Speaker 9: to survive. 204 00:09:01,840 --> 00:09:03,400 Speaker 3: Colder weather means less food. 205 00:09:03,760 --> 00:09:06,080 Speaker 2: So the idea there is mate in the winter and 206 00:09:06,120 --> 00:09:08,000 Speaker 2: then when you have your babies in the spring, there's 207 00:09:08,080 --> 00:09:09,000 Speaker 2: more resources. 208 00:09:09,120 --> 00:09:11,280 Speaker 1: How do they start looking for the right partner to 209 00:09:11,960 --> 00:09:13,920 Speaker 1: you know, copulate with. 210 00:09:14,480 --> 00:09:16,680 Speaker 7: It really depends on the species, and it depends on 211 00:09:16,720 --> 00:09:18,760 Speaker 7: the ecology of the species. What are the strategies that 212 00:09:18,760 --> 00:09:19,400 Speaker 7: they're gonna have. 213 00:09:19,760 --> 00:09:23,440 Speaker 2: Ecology that means the animal's environment, and more specifically is 214 00:09:23,440 --> 00:09:26,880 Speaker 2: the amount of resources like food that's available in that environment. 215 00:09:27,040 --> 00:09:29,880 Speaker 7: In general, animals are looking for food, right, So females 216 00:09:29,880 --> 00:09:33,280 Speaker 7: are looking for food. If those resources are clumped, there's 217 00:09:33,400 --> 00:09:35,679 Speaker 7: lots of food in one single place, in one single patch, 218 00:09:35,880 --> 00:09:37,240 Speaker 7: lots of females are gonna come to it. 219 00:09:37,320 --> 00:09:40,400 Speaker 1: And as Alex says, it also refers to where those 220 00:09:40,440 --> 00:09:41,280 Speaker 1: resources are. 221 00:09:41,559 --> 00:09:45,960 Speaker 7: Those resources can be uniformly distributed in a space or 222 00:09:45,960 --> 00:09:46,800 Speaker 7: they can be clumped. 223 00:09:47,080 --> 00:09:47,280 Speaker 1: Right. 224 00:09:47,559 --> 00:09:51,200 Speaker 7: If resources are clumped, then it's more probable for a 225 00:09:51,240 --> 00:09:53,720 Speaker 7: female or several females to be in one single place. 226 00:09:53,960 --> 00:09:56,600 Speaker 2: That means before it gets cold, an animal wants to 227 00:09:56,640 --> 00:09:59,040 Speaker 2: go somewhere with a lot of resources because that's where 228 00:09:59,040 --> 00:10:00,920 Speaker 2: they're going to find the white selection. 229 00:10:00,600 --> 00:10:01,720 Speaker 3: Of potential partners. 230 00:10:02,080 --> 00:10:02,320 Speaker 1: Right. 231 00:10:02,520 --> 00:10:05,400 Speaker 2: So basically this kind of translates to like the free 232 00:10:05,480 --> 00:10:07,400 Speaker 2: drinks or early drinks for women at the bar. 233 00:10:07,840 --> 00:10:10,559 Speaker 1: Right, And so then when there's free drinks at the bar, 234 00:10:10,640 --> 00:10:12,679 Speaker 1: then all women run to the bar to go get 235 00:10:12,720 --> 00:10:13,240 Speaker 1: those drinks. 236 00:10:13,240 --> 00:10:15,120 Speaker 2: Then the men pay so they can come and have 237 00:10:15,280 --> 00:10:16,360 Speaker 2: access to those women. 238 00:10:17,240 --> 00:10:20,640 Speaker 1: But the bar culture, like it can get really weird. 239 00:10:20,720 --> 00:10:22,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, you never know what you're gonna get. 240 00:10:22,480 --> 00:10:24,320 Speaker 1: Do you remember that time we went to a bar 241 00:10:24,600 --> 00:10:27,520 Speaker 1: and a guy sent me a drink and then never 242 00:10:27,640 --> 00:10:30,240 Speaker 1: came over to say hi, never said a word. I 243 00:10:30,320 --> 00:10:33,120 Speaker 1: was really confused, like thank you? 244 00:10:33,480 --> 00:10:37,560 Speaker 2: I guess hey, So you never a durable strategy for him, 245 00:10:37,559 --> 00:10:38,600 Speaker 2: but free drinks for us. 246 00:10:38,760 --> 00:10:38,960 Speaker 1: Right. 247 00:10:40,160 --> 00:10:42,319 Speaker 2: Let's get back to the animals for a second. Are 248 00:10:42,320 --> 00:10:44,800 Speaker 2: there any other species that replicate cuffing season? 249 00:10:44,920 --> 00:10:47,520 Speaker 1: Yeah? Like, are there animals out there that are keeping 250 00:10:47,559 --> 00:10:50,360 Speaker 1: a mate for the fall and winter season and then 251 00:10:50,520 --> 00:10:53,480 Speaker 1: just leaving them? That's cold hearted? Yeah. 252 00:10:53,640 --> 00:10:57,320 Speaker 7: So one really cool example is red foxes. So red 253 00:10:57,320 --> 00:11:03,200 Speaker 7: fox are, for example, a species that starts their pairing 254 00:11:03,760 --> 00:11:07,760 Speaker 7: during the fall, and once they pair up around the 255 00:11:07,880 --> 00:11:11,680 Speaker 7: end of the fall December, the beginning of winter, they 256 00:11:11,679 --> 00:11:13,680 Speaker 7: pair up with a male and then they stay with 257 00:11:13,840 --> 00:11:16,080 Speaker 7: that male through how the winter season. 258 00:11:16,360 --> 00:11:19,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, and in general, a female will date several males 259 00:11:19,440 --> 00:11:21,320 Speaker 1: until she finds her wintertime companion. 260 00:11:21,760 --> 00:11:24,200 Speaker 7: The female tends to go into a den and the 261 00:11:24,240 --> 00:11:27,080 Speaker 7: male stays outside of the den and feeds her. 262 00:11:27,520 --> 00:11:29,120 Speaker 1: That's pretty much how Jimmy cuffed me. 263 00:11:29,400 --> 00:11:30,760 Speaker 3: He still bring in us treats. 264 00:11:31,040 --> 00:11:33,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, he got me some slim gems this morning. 265 00:11:33,320 --> 00:11:35,480 Speaker 2: Then when the winter's over, the two foxes go their 266 00:11:35,520 --> 00:11:38,680 Speaker 2: separate ways and the female goes through the same process again. 267 00:11:38,800 --> 00:11:40,960 Speaker 2: So the male red fox next winter might be the 268 00:11:40,960 --> 00:11:41,520 Speaker 2: step dad. 269 00:11:41,880 --> 00:11:45,560 Speaker 1: That sounds like a Moury episode waiting to happen. You 270 00:11:45,720 --> 00:11:48,400 Speaker 1: are not the father, but you still need to feed 271 00:11:48,400 --> 00:11:49,000 Speaker 1: these babies. 272 00:11:50,400 --> 00:11:53,120 Speaker 2: The resources are clumped, all your potential partners are here. 273 00:11:53,280 --> 00:11:55,240 Speaker 2: Do the animals just pick one mate? 274 00:11:55,720 --> 00:11:58,520 Speaker 1: I think that's a good question. Some animals are monogamous 275 00:11:58,520 --> 00:12:01,040 Speaker 1: and they're just looking for lifelong partner. 276 00:12:01,440 --> 00:12:04,840 Speaker 7: There are lifelong monogamous species, right, so and those there's 277 00:12:04,880 --> 00:12:09,360 Speaker 7: a very cool examples. Right, So there's beavers and they yeah, 278 00:12:09,360 --> 00:12:11,040 Speaker 7: when they made they made for life. 279 00:12:11,440 --> 00:12:12,920 Speaker 9: Right, there is. 280 00:12:14,559 --> 00:12:18,840 Speaker 7: Eagles then tend to make for life. Swans tend to 281 00:12:18,880 --> 00:12:19,600 Speaker 7: make for life. 282 00:12:19,920 --> 00:12:23,199 Speaker 2: Different species have all kinds of reasons for being monogamous. 283 00:12:23,200 --> 00:12:25,160 Speaker 2: For birds is just because it makes it easier to 284 00:12:25,200 --> 00:12:27,360 Speaker 2: raise the babies and teach them to fly. For other 285 00:12:27,400 --> 00:12:28,640 Speaker 2: species is genetic. 286 00:12:29,040 --> 00:12:31,640 Speaker 9: So for example, in the case of prairie bowls, it was. 287 00:12:31,640 --> 00:12:35,960 Speaker 7: A prairie bowl like those field rodents, seventy five percent 288 00:12:36,000 --> 00:12:40,360 Speaker 7: of them are monogamous, and that really depends on their 289 00:12:40,440 --> 00:12:41,840 Speaker 7: basuppressing receptors. 290 00:12:41,880 --> 00:12:45,840 Speaker 1: Basically their vessel what vasa pressing. It's a hormone that 291 00:12:45,880 --> 00:12:49,320 Speaker 1: the brain releases and it promotes this like sensation. 292 00:12:49,120 --> 00:12:53,400 Speaker 2: Of a reward. Gotcha, Like an anniversary. Good yeah, y'all 293 00:12:53,400 --> 00:12:56,200 Speaker 2: still together, same partner, another year reward. 294 00:12:56,400 --> 00:13:00,120 Speaker 7: When they copulate with the same female several times, it's 295 00:13:00,160 --> 00:13:03,960 Speaker 7: a positive feedback and therefore they will continue to be monogamous. 296 00:13:04,160 --> 00:13:06,600 Speaker 1: But if a male is in an environment where all 297 00:13:06,640 --> 00:13:09,200 Speaker 1: the resources are clumped, like all those girls at the bar, 298 00:13:09,720 --> 00:13:11,040 Speaker 1: he might be polygamous. 299 00:13:11,080 --> 00:13:13,720 Speaker 2: And get this, there are two types of polygamy. One 300 00:13:13,720 --> 00:13:15,280 Speaker 2: for males and one for females. 301 00:13:15,480 --> 00:13:16,800 Speaker 9: Polygamy is the umbrella. 302 00:13:17,000 --> 00:13:20,320 Speaker 7: And within polygamy, you have one male with lots of 303 00:13:20,320 --> 00:13:23,720 Speaker 7: females that's a polygynous male, and then you have one 304 00:13:23,760 --> 00:13:26,840 Speaker 7: female with lots of males that's a polyandric female. 305 00:13:26,880 --> 00:13:29,200 Speaker 1: So polygyny is a man with a lot of women, 306 00:13:29,640 --> 00:13:32,520 Speaker 1: and polyandry is a woman with a lot of men. 307 00:13:32,800 --> 00:13:33,160 Speaker 3: That's you. 308 00:13:33,960 --> 00:13:36,960 Speaker 1: That's you, not me. I'm married girl. Hmmm. 309 00:13:37,400 --> 00:13:38,600 Speaker 3: Okay, that was you. 310 00:13:39,920 --> 00:13:40,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, that was me. 311 00:13:44,880 --> 00:13:48,840 Speaker 2: So you can be monogamous or polygynists or polyandrous. It 312 00:13:48,880 --> 00:13:52,480 Speaker 2: all depends on what increases your chances of reproductive success. 313 00:13:53,080 --> 00:13:55,719 Speaker 1: All right, Okay, I'm starting to see the connections. Now, 314 00:13:55,720 --> 00:13:58,480 Speaker 1: this is really interesting. When we get back, we're gonna 315 00:13:58,520 --> 00:14:01,559 Speaker 1: talk more about strategy. What can we learn from our 316 00:14:01,640 --> 00:14:04,679 Speaker 1: animal friends to help us the next time coming season 317 00:14:04,720 --> 00:14:05,479 Speaker 1: comes around. 318 00:14:22,440 --> 00:14:24,880 Speaker 3: And we're back and it's time to talk strategy. 319 00:14:25,000 --> 00:14:26,920 Speaker 1: We love talking to the people about some of their 320 00:14:27,000 --> 00:14:29,560 Speaker 1: cuffing seasons does and don'ts, So let's hear what they 321 00:14:29,560 --> 00:14:29,920 Speaker 1: have to say. 322 00:14:29,960 --> 00:14:33,240 Speaker 2: First, what's your advice for somebody that's trying to cuff 323 00:14:33,280 --> 00:14:35,120 Speaker 2: someone this cuffing season? 324 00:14:36,000 --> 00:14:38,840 Speaker 9: Get rid of social media. That's a distraction. 325 00:14:39,400 --> 00:14:41,720 Speaker 6: Just focus and just make sure yourself is right first 326 00:14:41,960 --> 00:14:44,560 Speaker 6: before you offer yourself to somebody else. 327 00:14:45,280 --> 00:14:47,800 Speaker 10: It's all about communication, you know what I'm saying. It's 328 00:14:47,840 --> 00:14:51,400 Speaker 10: all about communication. So if somebody feel in a certain 329 00:14:51,440 --> 00:14:53,600 Speaker 10: type of way, they need to say that, so it 330 00:14:53,640 --> 00:14:56,520 Speaker 10: can be either embraced or it can be shut down, 331 00:14:56,600 --> 00:14:57,840 Speaker 10: and then it's all good, you know. 332 00:14:59,120 --> 00:15:02,440 Speaker 3: Can we just make a cuff rule? Yeah, no ghosting, 333 00:15:02,880 --> 00:15:03,880 Speaker 3: no sting. 334 00:15:04,160 --> 00:15:07,640 Speaker 2: Let's leave ghosting in twenty seventeen, in twenty eighteen too. 335 00:15:07,720 --> 00:15:09,560 Speaker 3: It's totally gone. 336 00:15:09,800 --> 00:15:12,440 Speaker 2: Okay, Alex, give it to me straight. Once these animals 337 00:15:12,440 --> 00:15:14,040 Speaker 2: pick the one they want to cuff, how do they 338 00:15:14,040 --> 00:15:16,040 Speaker 2: seal the deal? What's their strategy? 339 00:15:16,240 --> 00:15:18,200 Speaker 7: So you can either fight for a female or you 340 00:15:18,200 --> 00:15:19,760 Speaker 7: can directly attract her. 341 00:15:20,280 --> 00:15:22,680 Speaker 2: To do both of those things, fight or a tract, 342 00:15:22,760 --> 00:15:26,000 Speaker 2: you need strong secondary sexual characters. So those are the 343 00:15:26,000 --> 00:15:28,600 Speaker 2: features that help attract a partner, but that you don't 344 00:15:28,640 --> 00:15:31,760 Speaker 2: actually need to reproduce, because, like we said before, a 345 00:15:31,800 --> 00:15:33,160 Speaker 2: lot of us are just looking for. 346 00:15:33,120 --> 00:15:34,480 Speaker 3: A friend, not a baby. 347 00:15:34,880 --> 00:15:38,440 Speaker 1: So are some examples of secondary characters like feathers on 348 00:15:38,480 --> 00:15:40,360 Speaker 1: a peacock or antlers on a. 349 00:15:40,360 --> 00:15:44,880 Speaker 2: Deer exactly, and secondary characters for humans could be something 350 00:15:45,040 --> 00:15:47,720 Speaker 2: like nice shoes or a nice car. 351 00:15:48,200 --> 00:15:51,560 Speaker 1: A fresh lineup, a deep voice. Ooh, that's like a 352 00:15:51,600 --> 00:15:52,200 Speaker 1: mating call. 353 00:15:52,720 --> 00:15:57,400 Speaker 7: Yeah, so I work with a species of frog that 354 00:15:57,840 --> 00:16:03,440 Speaker 7: has a very very clear, strong distinctive call to attract females. 355 00:16:03,480 --> 00:16:05,520 Speaker 1: Can we hear that? Can you play something for us? 356 00:16:08,760 --> 00:16:17,040 Speaker 2: It basically translates to what a party? Yet that's not 357 00:16:17,120 --> 00:16:19,080 Speaker 2: kinda sound like ring my bell to you? You know 358 00:16:19,160 --> 00:16:19,480 Speaker 2: that part? 359 00:16:19,520 --> 00:16:24,920 Speaker 1: They're like boom boom, and that's my hey, come on 360 00:16:25,760 --> 00:16:29,360 Speaker 1: sing a girl and full of possibility. 361 00:16:32,280 --> 00:16:34,520 Speaker 3: It's co fi season. 362 00:16:45,160 --> 00:16:48,880 Speaker 1: Secondary sexual characters, the feathers, the big fluffy tail, the 363 00:16:48,920 --> 00:16:52,880 Speaker 1: mating call are key to attracting your mate, but they 364 00:16:52,880 --> 00:16:54,240 Speaker 1: can also create a problem. 365 00:16:54,720 --> 00:16:55,760 Speaker 3: Oh, plot twist. 366 00:16:56,200 --> 00:16:58,640 Speaker 7: The problem is that attraction to females come up with 367 00:16:58,680 --> 00:17:03,000 Speaker 7: a cost. The cat also attracting predators and parasites. 368 00:17:03,520 --> 00:17:05,920 Speaker 1: So while you might be attracting the right potential mates, 369 00:17:06,000 --> 00:17:11,160 Speaker 1: you're also attracting a lot of trash, including the type 370 00:17:11,160 --> 00:17:12,800 Speaker 1: of trash you don't want to see. 371 00:17:13,080 --> 00:17:16,960 Speaker 2: Like ever again, this is something I feel like we 372 00:17:17,080 --> 00:17:20,560 Speaker 2: as humans can really relate to. Have you ever attracted 373 00:17:20,560 --> 00:17:21,720 Speaker 2: an unwanted parasite? 374 00:17:22,240 --> 00:17:25,320 Speaker 1: I want on a date with a man that ordered 375 00:17:25,359 --> 00:17:27,800 Speaker 1: dessert for himself. 376 00:17:28,200 --> 00:17:29,240 Speaker 3: Oh I remember this. 377 00:17:29,680 --> 00:17:33,000 Speaker 1: He ate it all then proceeded to lick the plate. 378 00:17:34,240 --> 00:17:42,920 Speaker 1: I almost screamed out loud. I was mortified, and I 379 00:17:42,960 --> 00:17:44,920 Speaker 1: was like, there is no way I can go on 380 00:17:44,960 --> 00:17:47,440 Speaker 1: another day with this man. And he was like, I 381 00:17:47,480 --> 00:17:48,960 Speaker 1: hope you had a good time. You know, I was 382 00:17:49,040 --> 00:17:50,600 Speaker 1: being nice. Yeah I did. He was like, ye'all, I'll 383 00:17:50,600 --> 00:17:52,719 Speaker 1: text you and we can go out again. And in 384 00:17:52,760 --> 00:17:57,000 Speaker 1: my mind I just keep seeing him licking this plate, 385 00:17:57,080 --> 00:18:00,440 Speaker 1: trying to get all of the caramel and chocolates off 386 00:18:00,480 --> 00:18:03,960 Speaker 1: of it, and I almost vomited. Do you remember when 387 00:18:03,960 --> 00:18:04,480 Speaker 1: I called you? 388 00:18:04,600 --> 00:18:08,239 Speaker 2: Yes, you were like, oh my gosh, I'm just I 389 00:18:08,280 --> 00:18:10,160 Speaker 2: was just trying to go home and he's eating this 390 00:18:10,240 --> 00:18:10,800 Speaker 2: whole day. 391 00:18:11,080 --> 00:18:14,520 Speaker 3: And then you said he was looking at you over his. 392 00:18:14,520 --> 00:18:16,920 Speaker 2: Eyes were over the little dessert plate and he looked 393 00:18:16,920 --> 00:18:18,399 Speaker 2: at you as he licked the plate. 394 00:18:18,520 --> 00:18:19,520 Speaker 3: That's a lot of confidence. 395 00:18:19,560 --> 00:18:21,520 Speaker 1: I can't you're looking the glaze off the plate. I 396 00:18:21,520 --> 00:18:23,480 Speaker 1: don't want anything to do with you. I was like, 397 00:18:23,680 --> 00:18:27,440 Speaker 1: get me out of here. Yeah, you really got to 398 00:18:27,480 --> 00:18:29,960 Speaker 1: weed out the plate liquors. But what if you change 399 00:18:29,960 --> 00:18:30,520 Speaker 1: your mind? 400 00:18:30,840 --> 00:18:33,119 Speaker 2: Like what if you do all that work only to 401 00:18:33,200 --> 00:18:35,680 Speaker 2: realize that you really chose the wrong one. 402 00:18:36,119 --> 00:18:38,880 Speaker 1: I guess that's the beauty of cuffing season right, you 403 00:18:38,920 --> 00:18:40,920 Speaker 1: hang in through the winter and release them back into 404 00:18:40,920 --> 00:18:44,480 Speaker 1: the wild. And from monogamous species where mating isn't really 405 00:18:44,480 --> 00:18:47,480 Speaker 1: seasonal it's for life, they have a way of working 406 00:18:47,520 --> 00:18:48,160 Speaker 1: around that too. 407 00:18:48,560 --> 00:18:50,560 Speaker 7: So here's the thing that is cool, though, is that 408 00:18:50,760 --> 00:18:55,240 Speaker 7: even in those species that mate for life, right, there's 409 00:18:55,280 --> 00:19:01,360 Speaker 7: still a possibility for EPCs. EPCs are extra pair copulations right, 410 00:19:01,440 --> 00:19:04,520 Speaker 7: situations where you are meeting with one individual or you 411 00:19:04,560 --> 00:19:07,080 Speaker 7: are monogamous because you're in a relationship or in a 412 00:19:07,160 --> 00:19:11,800 Speaker 7: bond with that other pair, but you can still sexually 413 00:19:11,920 --> 00:19:15,640 Speaker 7: or basically copulate with other individuals outside of your pair. 414 00:19:16,040 --> 00:19:19,160 Speaker 2: So like an animal can be monogamous but not really. 415 00:19:19,520 --> 00:19:21,800 Speaker 2: And is it mostly males that do this? Or can 416 00:19:21,880 --> 00:19:23,560 Speaker 2: females engage in EPCs too? 417 00:19:23,760 --> 00:19:26,840 Speaker 7: So there is a lot of thought about why this 418 00:19:27,119 --> 00:19:29,120 Speaker 7: happens on females like on males. 419 00:19:29,560 --> 00:19:30,960 Speaker 9: It kind of makes. 420 00:19:30,720 --> 00:19:35,800 Speaker 7: Sense supposedly because it has to do with the quantity 421 00:19:35,840 --> 00:19:38,760 Speaker 7: of offspring you can have. Right, So a male has 422 00:19:38,840 --> 00:19:41,600 Speaker 7: a lot of sperm, right, It produces a lot of sperm, 423 00:19:41,640 --> 00:19:45,960 Speaker 7: and therefore it has the ability to sire a large 424 00:19:46,080 --> 00:19:46,880 Speaker 7: number of offspring. 425 00:19:47,160 --> 00:19:47,320 Speaker 1: Right. 426 00:19:47,359 --> 00:19:52,160 Speaker 7: In general, that's what happens with most males. Females have eggs, right, 427 00:19:52,240 --> 00:19:56,400 Speaker 7: and those are costly. They're finite. There's only a number 428 00:19:56,560 --> 00:19:59,440 Speaker 7: of them that you can actually use, and so females 429 00:19:59,480 --> 00:20:02,680 Speaker 7: tend to be more careful with their eggs because they 430 00:20:02,680 --> 00:20:05,320 Speaker 7: can't just have tons of them every single one of 431 00:20:05,359 --> 00:20:05,960 Speaker 7: their offspring. 432 00:20:06,160 --> 00:20:08,840 Speaker 9: What they're thinking about is a quality of that offspring. 433 00:20:09,200 --> 00:20:11,480 Speaker 7: So for a long time there was a controversy like 434 00:20:11,520 --> 00:20:13,920 Speaker 7: why did that females do this? The thing about it 435 00:20:13,960 --> 00:20:18,560 Speaker 7: is that females might do this because by copulating with males, 436 00:20:18,760 --> 00:20:21,000 Speaker 7: they might be able to choose those males that are 437 00:20:21,080 --> 00:20:21,840 Speaker 7: higher quality. 438 00:20:22,200 --> 00:20:25,280 Speaker 2: It's funny that even animals have their own weeding out process, Like, 439 00:20:25,440 --> 00:20:28,160 Speaker 2: even if a mate has all of the secondary characters 440 00:20:28,200 --> 00:20:30,800 Speaker 2: out there, you still have to make some decision about 441 00:20:30,840 --> 00:20:33,560 Speaker 2: which of those secondary characters it's most important to you. 442 00:20:33,960 --> 00:20:35,280 Speaker 1: It reminds me of when we were out on the 443 00:20:35,280 --> 00:20:37,159 Speaker 1: street talking to those strangers and we ran into that 444 00:20:37,240 --> 00:20:37,880 Speaker 1: random group. 445 00:20:37,880 --> 00:20:39,760 Speaker 3: Do you remember, Yeah, they were a lot of fun. 446 00:20:40,040 --> 00:20:43,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, And we talked to them about cuffing season and 447 00:20:43,240 --> 00:20:46,520 Speaker 1: what was that One girl's instagram name Sophia Loren, right, 448 00:20:46,640 --> 00:20:49,480 Speaker 1: and she was telling us about her strategy. 449 00:20:50,400 --> 00:20:53,040 Speaker 2: What should I be looking for? Like this is a 450 00:20:53,119 --> 00:20:55,240 Speaker 2: sign of a good cuff. 451 00:20:55,359 --> 00:20:57,840 Speaker 5: So you need to have one that's definitely gonna always 452 00:20:57,840 --> 00:20:59,879 Speaker 5: come with the food, always offer meals, baby with you 453 00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:01,120 Speaker 5: and I'm trying to get something to eat. 454 00:21:01,160 --> 00:21:02,520 Speaker 1: Like, then you need an activity one. 455 00:21:02,520 --> 00:21:03,840 Speaker 5: So you need one who always know like, oh we 456 00:21:03,880 --> 00:21:06,600 Speaker 5: about to go ice skaning, be about to go to MGN, 457 00:21:06,680 --> 00:21:09,280 Speaker 5: we about to go gambling, like he just always got 458 00:21:09,280 --> 00:21:10,879 Speaker 5: something that he want to do. Then you need a 459 00:21:10,880 --> 00:21:13,600 Speaker 5: partner that's gonna hit you with the like can I 460 00:21:13,680 --> 00:21:15,680 Speaker 5: help you? You know? Can can I get the car clean? 461 00:21:15,840 --> 00:21:18,439 Speaker 5: Can put the gas in the car? Like he just 462 00:21:18,640 --> 00:21:22,320 Speaker 5: he just kind of right, you know, like something happened 463 00:21:22,320 --> 00:21:24,040 Speaker 5: to the door. You need to get the doorbell fixed, 464 00:21:24,119 --> 00:21:26,280 Speaker 5: like you just clean up whatever. Right. And then because 465 00:21:26,280 --> 00:21:28,680 Speaker 5: we are really coming into that time where that's where 466 00:21:28,680 --> 00:21:30,159 Speaker 5: the fourth one come in. You're coming into that time 467 00:21:30,200 --> 00:21:32,400 Speaker 5: where you gotta go to like holiday parties, you. 468 00:21:32,320 --> 00:21:33,720 Speaker 1: Need a presentable one. 469 00:21:34,400 --> 00:21:40,760 Speaker 2: He ady, but he just gotta drop properly if presentable, 470 00:21:41,119 --> 00:21:43,760 Speaker 2: so you can bring him along. So it's like three 471 00:21:43,920 --> 00:21:47,000 Speaker 2: of them are like providing resources like the bring your activity, 472 00:21:47,080 --> 00:21:49,960 Speaker 2: but the one you might be coming for you is 473 00:21:50,000 --> 00:21:52,080 Speaker 2: like the peacock is like he don't really gotta say 474 00:21:52,080 --> 00:21:54,560 Speaker 2: too much, but when he brings out those feathers, you're like, 475 00:21:54,680 --> 00:21:56,760 Speaker 2: is that your boot right? 476 00:21:56,800 --> 00:21:58,520 Speaker 1: And because keep anyone that you want. 477 00:21:58,600 --> 00:21:59,520 Speaker 3: Once to get down to. 478 00:21:59,520 --> 00:22:03,080 Speaker 2: The line, sophil Leren really had it figured out. She 479 00:22:03,160 --> 00:22:06,679 Speaker 2: and her friends called that the hotation approach, where they 480 00:22:06,720 --> 00:22:09,000 Speaker 2: have sort of a rotating roster until it's time to 481 00:22:09,040 --> 00:22:11,960 Speaker 2: cuff one down. So it's almost like having sister wives. 482 00:22:12,200 --> 00:22:14,640 Speaker 2: But I guess for them, what would the equivalent of that. 483 00:22:14,560 --> 00:22:16,440 Speaker 1: Be Brother Bays. 484 00:22:16,840 --> 00:22:22,399 Speaker 2: Yeah, brother Bayse who is on your lineup of brother Bays. 485 00:22:23,600 --> 00:22:26,199 Speaker 1: So I agree with her that I need somebody that 486 00:22:26,520 --> 00:22:28,919 Speaker 1: will bring me food that is very important to me. 487 00:22:30,119 --> 00:22:34,320 Speaker 1: I think I also need someone who knows stuff about cars, 488 00:22:34,520 --> 00:22:39,280 Speaker 1: specifically because my car is borderline a hoopde at this 489 00:22:39,359 --> 00:22:41,119 Speaker 1: point and I don't want to take it to the 490 00:22:41,119 --> 00:22:43,120 Speaker 1: shop anymore. I want you to tell me, oh, you 491 00:22:43,200 --> 00:22:45,879 Speaker 1: just need an oil change so I can save some money. 492 00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:49,879 Speaker 1: And then I think I would need one that's like 493 00:22:50,680 --> 00:22:52,760 Speaker 1: the finest one of the bunch, because he's the one 494 00:22:52,760 --> 00:22:58,119 Speaker 1: I'm gonna be cuddling with and spending my evenings. Oh nice, 495 00:23:01,720 --> 00:23:04,040 Speaker 1: what about you? Who are your brother base? 496 00:23:04,520 --> 00:23:07,040 Speaker 2: I think I would definitely want the food boo, but 497 00:23:07,119 --> 00:23:11,960 Speaker 2: I need like a. 498 00:23:09,880 --> 00:23:11,959 Speaker 3: A My food boo is gonna have to be different. 499 00:23:12,119 --> 00:23:14,560 Speaker 2: I'm looking for a food boo who wants to like, 500 00:23:14,920 --> 00:23:18,000 Speaker 2: let's hit all the Michelin star restaurants like I want. 501 00:23:18,560 --> 00:23:21,720 Speaker 2: We're not about to eat these chicken tenders, no I want. 502 00:23:22,119 --> 00:23:24,720 Speaker 1: Let's not sleep on chicken tenders. Chicken tenders are good, 503 00:23:24,800 --> 00:23:27,760 Speaker 1: but like Clutch Snack, Philly Wing Fro just opened it 504 00:23:27,800 --> 00:23:31,600 Speaker 1: Whole Foods on Fourteenth Street, let's go like I want 505 00:23:31,640 --> 00:23:35,960 Speaker 1: that kind of thing. I also need like, uh, let's 506 00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:39,359 Speaker 1: hang out just at the house and watch all the 507 00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:43,080 Speaker 1: horror movies and cackle it all the stuff on the internet. 508 00:23:43,320 --> 00:23:46,840 Speaker 1: And I'm gonna send you this article even though you're 509 00:23:46,880 --> 00:23:48,320 Speaker 1: right beside me, because I want you to read it 510 00:23:48,359 --> 00:23:49,879 Speaker 1: and see how trash it was. 511 00:23:50,359 --> 00:23:51,520 Speaker 3: So let's play a game. 512 00:23:51,880 --> 00:23:54,520 Speaker 2: We know what's important to us for our brother base, 513 00:23:54,520 --> 00:23:56,159 Speaker 2: but we want to hear from you guys. 514 00:23:56,600 --> 00:23:59,440 Speaker 3: Check us out on Instagram and we have a brother. 515 00:23:59,240 --> 00:24:01,840 Speaker 2: Bay light and on there is a form where you 516 00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:04,160 Speaker 2: can just screencap it and fill in your brother base. 517 00:24:04,280 --> 00:24:06,480 Speaker 1: So once you fill out your brother Bay roster form, 518 00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:09,320 Speaker 1: tag us at Dope Laps Podcasts and post it to 519 00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:13,880 Speaker 1: your Instagram and we'll share it on ours. 520 00:24:15,640 --> 00:24:16,440 Speaker 3: What a whirlwind. 521 00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:18,120 Speaker 1: That was so much fun. 522 00:24:18,280 --> 00:24:20,160 Speaker 2: So I feel like we learned a lot in the dissection. 523 00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:25,239 Speaker 2: Alex taught us that cuffing season is nothing new, is 524 00:24:25,320 --> 00:24:26,600 Speaker 2: not unique to humans. 525 00:24:27,080 --> 00:24:31,600 Speaker 1: Now every species is pretty much cuffing, just in different ways, 526 00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:34,920 Speaker 1: and so some is seasonal, some. 527 00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:38,639 Speaker 2: Is like resource driven. Sometimes it's for a lifetime. 528 00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:40,879 Speaker 1: Could you love somebody for a lifetime? 529 00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:45,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, with the right Red Foxes ringing me treats outside 530 00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:46,040 Speaker 2: the Cave. 531 00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:47,160 Speaker 3: Absolutely. 532 00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:48,640 Speaker 1: You know what I think of every time I hear 533 00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:52,399 Speaker 1: red Fox. It's not the name of the guy from Yep, 534 00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:54,080 Speaker 1: Sanford and Sanford and Son. 535 00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:58,520 Speaker 3: Yep, I'm coming Elizabeth. That's exactly what it is. 536 00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:02,679 Speaker 2: It feels like even with all of that variation, maybe 537 00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:07,000 Speaker 2: humans are in some way like a capsule of all 538 00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:10,119 Speaker 2: the differences in these like all the approaches we see, 539 00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:13,160 Speaker 2: I could liken each of those approaches to somebody. 540 00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:17,080 Speaker 1: I know, right, it's like out in the Wow that 541 00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:20,320 Speaker 1: it's way more simple for them to cuff than it 542 00:25:20,359 --> 00:25:24,000 Speaker 1: is for humans. Because we've got all these factors rolled 543 00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:28,040 Speaker 1: up into one. It's it's just a lot to consider 544 00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:31,359 Speaker 1: when when you're out there either trying to be cuffed 545 00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:32,640 Speaker 1: or trying to cuff someone else. 546 00:25:33,280 --> 00:25:35,280 Speaker 2: Well, you don't have to consider it anymore. You're married, 547 00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:37,679 Speaker 2: Well I don't have to consider it, but me. 548 00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:42,560 Speaker 1: You we a unit. I'm considering it for on your 549 00:25:42,600 --> 00:25:44,639 Speaker 1: behalf because. 550 00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:46,840 Speaker 3: I'm here on behalf of Zekiyah exactly. 551 00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:50,120 Speaker 1: And so we're in this cuffing season together. 552 00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:52,040 Speaker 2: As long as I don't show up to my cave 553 00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:54,240 Speaker 2: and someone is there saying T T sent. 554 00:25:54,160 --> 00:25:56,080 Speaker 1: Me, what would be wrong with that? I think I 555 00:25:56,080 --> 00:25:57,600 Speaker 1: would be able to set you up with a really 556 00:25:57,680 --> 00:26:03,240 Speaker 1: nice young gentleman. Excellent challenge you perfect, That's all I need. 557 00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:08,640 Speaker 1: I was just looking for that gateway. Everybody's sliding into 558 00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:12,439 Speaker 1: the key as dms include a picture not of your genitalia. 559 00:26:12,520 --> 00:26:16,439 Speaker 2: Please, No of your secondary care if your second primary. 560 00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:27,119 Speaker 1: Yes, So that's it. This is dope, laughs. This is 561 00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:29,879 Speaker 1: who we are, This is what we do. Did y'all 562 00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:30,199 Speaker 1: like it? 563 00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:32,720 Speaker 3: What do you think? Give us some feedback. We want 564 00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:33,280 Speaker 3: to hear from you. 565 00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:36,320 Speaker 1: We had so much fun making this pilot episode, and 566 00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:38,480 Speaker 1: we really hope that you guys come back to listen 567 00:26:38,520 --> 00:26:42,159 Speaker 1: to more of our shenanigans. So this season we're going 568 00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:44,480 Speaker 1: to get into a lot of things the kid what like, 569 00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:45,760 Speaker 1: tell them some of the stuff we're getting. 570 00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:47,159 Speaker 3: Oh, oh my god. 571 00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:49,119 Speaker 2: We're about to talk to you about these men out 572 00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:52,280 Speaker 2: here with these hair pieces edge of Snatch. We're digging 573 00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:54,960 Speaker 2: really deep into that. We're also going to talk to 574 00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:58,119 Speaker 2: you about makeup on fleek. Everybody's into fenty beauty, but 575 00:26:58,160 --> 00:27:00,680 Speaker 2: do you know about those nanoparticles? Listen that makeup? What's 576 00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:04,320 Speaker 2: giving you that glow. We're also gonna talk about bad blood. 577 00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:05,440 Speaker 2: What does it mean? 578 00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:06,280 Speaker 3: Big bone? 579 00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:06,760 Speaker 7: Really? 580 00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:08,920 Speaker 1: I have a friend that's big boned, and so we're 581 00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:09,840 Speaker 1: gonna talk about it. 582 00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:12,760 Speaker 2: Plot twist is me, So we're gonna really jump in 583 00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:15,240 Speaker 2: talk about all the science you really care about. 584 00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:17,760 Speaker 3: We're bringing it to you. Our producer is Jenny Raddlet. 585 00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:20,919 Speaker 2: Masked mixing and sound designed by Alicia but Etube and 586 00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:21,800 Speaker 2: Samantha Gatsik. 587 00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:25,960 Speaker 1: Original theme music is by Taka Yasuzawa and Alex sugi Ura, 588 00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:30,880 Speaker 1: with additional music by Elijah Alex Harvey. 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We'd still be at the bar, having whiskey 597 00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:55,920 Speaker 1: and talking to strangers. 598 00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:56,960 Speaker 3: And telling these same old jokes. 599 00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:02,280 Speaker 2: Be sure check out our website at Dope Labs podcast 600 00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:04,600 Speaker 2: dot com. On our website you can find a lot 601 00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:07,120 Speaker 2: of photos, merch and sign up for our newsletter. 602 00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:11,040 Speaker 1: Get you a Dope Labs Podcast t shirt, a toe bag, 603 00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:14,439 Speaker 1: get some buttons for your friends, for your aunties, for 604 00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:17,119 Speaker 1: your mama's. 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Dope Labs is a production of Spotify Studios 618 00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:55,160 Speaker 1: and Mego Own Media, and it's executive produced by us T. T. 619 00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:56,680 Speaker 3: Shidia and Zakiah Wattley. 620 00:28:57,240 --> 00:29:16,760 Speaker 2: Whoop poop, Oh my gosh, I think somebody is trying 621 00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:21,800 Speaker 2: to cuff me. I'm for real, somebody is trying to 622 00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:24,320 Speaker 2: cuff me. Good morning, dew Drop. 623 00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:27,760 Speaker 3: Has anybody called you a dow drop? What does it mean? 624 00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:29,520 Speaker 1: Is that like honeydew? 625 00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:31,240 Speaker 3: M I hope not. 626 00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:35,680 Speaker 1: What What did you just say? 627 00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:41,840 Speaker 3: You misspoke? Everybody knows how they do. Is a champion? 628 00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:45,680 Speaker 3: Fruit canalope out of here? Honeydew definitely in. 629 00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:47,480 Speaker 1: They're the same thing, essentially. 630 00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:50,000 Speaker 3: Oh that's not right.