1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,600 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening to the Best of the Herd podcast. 2 00:00:02,759 --> 00:00:05,120 Speaker 1: Be sure to catch us live every weekday on Fox 3 00:00:05,120 --> 00:00:08,319 Speaker 1: Sports Radio in noon to three Eastern nine am to 4 00:00:08,400 --> 00:00:11,440 Speaker 1: noon Pacific. 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So yesterday, before the show, there 15 00:00:54,080 --> 00:01:02,400 Speaker 1: was the massive scandal eleven states, thirty people, the gambling 16 00:01:02,520 --> 00:01:08,839 Speaker 1: scandal heard around the NBA. Now the poker scandal. There's 17 00:01:09,080 --> 00:01:12,959 Speaker 1: far more people involved, but the NBA's let's be honest 18 00:01:12,959 --> 00:01:17,600 Speaker 1: about the NBA. It's a big global target, right And 19 00:01:17,840 --> 00:01:21,039 Speaker 1: I read everything over the last twenty four hours. 20 00:01:21,040 --> 00:01:21,600 Speaker 3: You can read. 21 00:01:22,000 --> 00:01:23,520 Speaker 1: I got up at four in the morning and I 22 00:01:23,600 --> 00:01:26,520 Speaker 1: read for two and a half hours. The interesting part 23 00:01:26,600 --> 00:01:30,240 Speaker 1: everybody's talking. Chauncey Billups and Terry Rozier Damon Jones. 24 00:01:30,319 --> 00:01:31,160 Speaker 3: Part's fascinating. 25 00:01:31,720 --> 00:01:33,920 Speaker 1: He was an unpaid member of the Lakers staff under 26 00:01:33,959 --> 00:01:36,760 Speaker 1: Darvin Ham no longer is friends with Lebron James. I 27 00:01:36,760 --> 00:01:39,840 Speaker 1: don't believe Lebron knew anything. I'm sure of it, but 28 00:01:39,920 --> 00:01:44,280 Speaker 1: he was found to be texting accusations right that he 29 00:01:44,480 --> 00:01:48,320 Speaker 1: is saying, you know, bet Milwaukee beg tonight because Lebron 30 00:01:48,400 --> 00:01:50,400 Speaker 1: James had a bad Anklin was going to miss games. 31 00:01:50,440 --> 00:01:52,760 Speaker 1: And part of that text was and enough so d 32 00:01:53,040 --> 00:01:56,480 Speaker 1: Jones can eat too. Keep your eye on Damon Jones 33 00:01:56,520 --> 00:01:58,800 Speaker 1: and all of this. But I want to I want 34 00:01:58,840 --> 00:02:01,960 Speaker 1: to remind people of this, not to be a wet 35 00:02:02,040 --> 00:02:05,520 Speaker 1: blanket for all you fatalists. But if you go back 36 00:02:05,520 --> 00:02:10,640 Speaker 1: to the nineteen ninety three NBA Finals Phoenix Suns, Michael 37 00:02:10,720 --> 00:02:13,680 Speaker 1: Jordan and the Bulls, Bulls won and then Michael went 38 00:02:13,720 --> 00:02:17,720 Speaker 1: to baseball after the headline of that series wasn't mj 39 00:02:17,800 --> 00:02:22,079 Speaker 1: against Barkley. Headline of that series was Michael Jordan and 40 00:02:22,160 --> 00:02:26,400 Speaker 1: gambling talk. In fact, the series before when they faced 41 00:02:26,440 --> 00:02:30,880 Speaker 1: the Knicks, he admitted he was in Atlantic City the 42 00:02:30,960 --> 00:02:34,600 Speaker 1: night before one of the games, and Michael Jordan was 43 00:02:34,639 --> 00:02:38,880 Speaker 1: the face of the NBA. He was the most globally 44 00:02:39,040 --> 00:02:44,480 Speaker 1: recognized athlete in the world, and people said, oh, it 45 00:02:44,560 --> 00:02:47,920 Speaker 1: was just the tip of the iceberg. Yeah, And the 46 00:02:48,040 --> 00:02:51,480 Speaker 1: NBA survived, and it doesn't have nearly the money cashe 47 00:02:51,840 --> 00:02:55,800 Speaker 1: or power. They just signed an eleven billion dollar deal. 48 00:02:56,400 --> 00:02:59,600 Speaker 1: They were in the hundreds of millions. Right now it's billions, 49 00:03:01,000 --> 00:03:03,480 Speaker 1: and it was Michael Jordan and now it's Damon Jones, 50 00:03:03,919 --> 00:03:09,760 Speaker 1: Terry Rozier, Chauncey Billups. So I think the NBA will survive. 51 00:03:10,800 --> 00:03:12,560 Speaker 1: You know, people say it's the tip of the iceberg, 52 00:03:12,639 --> 00:03:15,400 Speaker 1: and sometimes the tip of the iceberg is an ice. 53 00:03:15,280 --> 00:03:17,800 Speaker 3: Cube and not much more than that. 54 00:03:19,040 --> 00:03:22,000 Speaker 1: Uncle Colin is going to impart some wisdom here briefly. 55 00:03:23,320 --> 00:03:27,240 Speaker 1: In eighteen seventy six, one of my favorite years, frankly, 56 00:03:28,200 --> 00:03:33,680 Speaker 1: the National League was formed in baseball. Eighteen seventy six, 57 00:03:34,600 --> 00:03:37,720 Speaker 1: the National League's formed. Do you know their first betting scandal. 58 00:03:39,000 --> 00:03:45,320 Speaker 1: Let's see one year later, eighteen seventy seven, Baseball's doing fine. 59 00:03:45,640 --> 00:03:48,119 Speaker 3: They just signed a billion dollar contract too. By the way, 60 00:03:48,160 --> 00:03:49,760 Speaker 3: the FBI wasn't even around there. 61 00:03:50,640 --> 00:03:54,080 Speaker 1: The guy who founded it, Jadgar Hoover, wasn't born yet. 62 00:03:54,440 --> 00:03:58,160 Speaker 1: One year into the National League in eighteen seventy six. 63 00:03:58,280 --> 00:04:01,240 Speaker 3: I don't think fan Duel was around. I'm just guessing. 64 00:04:01,840 --> 00:04:07,080 Speaker 1: And you had a betting scandal, the mob athletes, bad judgment. 65 00:04:08,520 --> 00:04:11,000 Speaker 1: I mean, the craziest thing on all this. I didn't 66 00:04:11,040 --> 00:04:15,200 Speaker 1: know Lakosa and Nostro was still a thing. I honestly 67 00:04:15,200 --> 00:04:17,320 Speaker 1: thought it was maybe a name of a restaurant in 68 00:04:17,839 --> 00:04:21,599 Speaker 1: you know, somewhere in New York, Columbus, Columbia Circle or something. 69 00:04:21,760 --> 00:04:25,240 Speaker 3: I'm like, LaCOSA Nostra. I watch Goodfellas, It's over. 70 00:04:26,120 --> 00:04:28,480 Speaker 1: I saw the final episode, the final scene they went 71 00:04:28,560 --> 00:04:30,320 Speaker 1: to black that Tony Soprano survive. 72 00:04:30,640 --> 00:04:34,520 Speaker 3: It's over right, all the wire tap, John Gottie. No, 73 00:04:34,640 --> 00:04:39,880 Speaker 3: apparently they were like eleven guys LaCOSA Nostra involved. So listen. 74 00:04:40,000 --> 00:04:45,920 Speaker 1: Sports leagues have rules, and sports leagues warn their athletes 75 00:04:46,000 --> 00:04:49,400 Speaker 1: and coaches and scouts and execs, and they warned them. 76 00:04:50,480 --> 00:04:52,520 Speaker 1: But the great thing about America is we have all 77 00:04:52,520 --> 00:04:56,440 Speaker 1: these freedoms and people have the right to ruin their life. 78 00:04:57,760 --> 00:05:04,240 Speaker 1: People make really bad choices. Chauncey Billups, Damon Jones, Terry Roseier. 79 00:05:06,040 --> 00:05:09,560 Speaker 3: Dummies, what are you doing? Give a one hundred million in earnings? 80 00:05:10,560 --> 00:05:15,520 Speaker 1: Again, keep your eye on Damon Jones, but go back 81 00:05:15,520 --> 00:05:18,680 Speaker 1: to eighteen seventy six in the National League a year 82 00:05:18,760 --> 00:05:22,200 Speaker 1: later gambling issue. Go back to Michael Jordan nineteen ninety three. 83 00:05:22,520 --> 00:05:28,880 Speaker 1: Face of basketball globally. It's not going anywhere. It's not 84 00:05:28,960 --> 00:05:33,480 Speaker 1: going anywhere. NBA is going to survive. Some say it's 85 00:05:33,480 --> 00:05:35,760 Speaker 1: the tip of the iceberg. Tim Donneghey told me his 86 00:05:35,920 --> 00:05:36,920 Speaker 1: was the tip of the iceberg. 87 00:05:37,960 --> 00:05:40,800 Speaker 3: It wasn't. I was told Michael Jordan was the tip 88 00:05:40,800 --> 00:05:42,640 Speaker 3: of the iceberg. Was it? 89 00:05:44,839 --> 00:05:49,159 Speaker 1: What Colin gambling wasn't legal? Well, I actually like legal 90 00:05:49,200 --> 00:05:53,520 Speaker 1: gambling because it goes from the unregulated markets to now 91 00:05:53,680 --> 00:05:59,239 Speaker 1: regulated markets with transparency and rules. It should be noted 92 00:05:59,240 --> 00:06:05,880 Speaker 1: that Terry rose Eer issue was spotted within six hours. 93 00:06:06,240 --> 00:06:09,880 Speaker 1: The NBA knew about it. The NBA thought it was 94 00:06:10,360 --> 00:06:17,560 Speaker 1: apparently not worth pursuing much. The FBI did. But I 95 00:06:17,720 --> 00:06:23,599 Speaker 1: like all the transparency. I like legalized gambling. Vegas doesn't 96 00:06:23,640 --> 00:06:27,800 Speaker 1: want cheats, the NBA doesn't, the sports books don't, the 97 00:06:27,880 --> 00:06:32,320 Speaker 1: FBI doesn't. The NBA will survive, whether it's the tip 98 00:06:32,320 --> 00:06:36,680 Speaker 1: of the iceberg or not. So I'm watching the Chargers 99 00:06:36,760 --> 00:06:42,600 Speaker 1: last night play the Vikings. In my takeaway, by about 100 00:06:42,600 --> 00:06:46,600 Speaker 1: the third quarter is. They're actually opposites. The Chargers and 101 00:06:46,640 --> 00:06:49,039 Speaker 1: the Vikings are opposites, and not just because they're in 102 00:06:49,040 --> 00:06:50,000 Speaker 1: different conferences. 103 00:06:50,320 --> 00:06:52,680 Speaker 3: The Chargers love their quarterback. 104 00:06:53,680 --> 00:06:56,160 Speaker 1: All they hope is that his teammates around him can 105 00:06:56,200 --> 00:07:00,760 Speaker 1: occasionally stay healthy. But they know he's the north star, 106 00:07:01,160 --> 00:07:04,279 Speaker 1: he's the franchise. He is the bedrock for fifteen years. 107 00:07:04,560 --> 00:07:08,360 Speaker 1: He is worshiped in the building. The Vikings love all 108 00:07:08,400 --> 00:07:12,679 Speaker 1: their players around the quarterback, but have no idea who's 109 00:07:12,680 --> 00:07:15,000 Speaker 1: going to lead him the next ten years. They flirted 110 00:07:15,000 --> 00:07:18,920 Speaker 1: with Aaron Rodgers, they settled for Carson Wentz. They had 111 00:07:19,200 --> 00:07:22,440 Speaker 1: Daniel Jones in the building. They wanted to keep Darnold 112 00:07:22,480 --> 00:07:26,600 Speaker 1: but wouldn't pay for him. So whatever's happening with JJ McCarthy. 113 00:07:26,640 --> 00:07:30,920 Speaker 1: The messaging is weird and he's never available. So quarterbacks 114 00:07:30,960 --> 00:07:34,960 Speaker 1: stabilize a franchise. So last night, the Chargers finally get 115 00:07:35,080 --> 00:07:36,160 Speaker 1: Joe alt back. 116 00:07:36,920 --> 00:07:38,080 Speaker 3: What a shocker. 117 00:07:38,120 --> 00:07:40,920 Speaker 1: They can run on the left side, What a shocker. 118 00:07:41,360 --> 00:07:46,080 Speaker 1: The Blitz packages but the Vikings didn't work. So the 119 00:07:46,160 --> 00:07:48,920 Speaker 1: Vikings love their coach and their defensive coordinator and their 120 00:07:49,000 --> 00:07:52,680 Speaker 1: left tackle and their weapons, and the Vikings love everything 121 00:07:52,680 --> 00:07:56,040 Speaker 1: around the quarterback. But the franchise has, it's not stabilized 122 00:07:56,720 --> 00:07:59,440 Speaker 1: because they don't know what's going on with JJ McCarthy. 123 00:08:00,080 --> 00:08:01,200 Speaker 3: Chargers are the opposite. 124 00:08:01,920 --> 00:08:05,240 Speaker 1: They've got the most important part of this league quarterback 125 00:08:05,320 --> 00:08:07,680 Speaker 1: won coach two and they're both going to be there 126 00:08:08,000 --> 00:08:11,640 Speaker 1: for as long as they want to foreseeable future decade 127 00:08:11,640 --> 00:08:14,480 Speaker 1: if they want. Harbaugh may retire eight to nine, and 128 00:08:14,560 --> 00:08:15,720 Speaker 1: Jim's got great energy. 129 00:08:16,080 --> 00:08:18,880 Speaker 3: They just can't keep anybody healthy for any extended period. 130 00:08:19,640 --> 00:08:21,720 Speaker 1: So as I watched last night, a thousand out of 131 00:08:21,760 --> 00:08:26,360 Speaker 1: a thousand times, I would take the Chargers situation. They're 132 00:08:26,360 --> 00:08:28,800 Speaker 1: making Justin Herbert throw more than any quarterback in the 133 00:08:28,880 --> 00:08:30,000 Speaker 1: league because that's what they. 134 00:08:29,880 --> 00:08:30,520 Speaker 3: Have right now. 135 00:08:30,560 --> 00:08:34,160 Speaker 1: And slowly but surely, Joe Alt came back and they 136 00:08:34,160 --> 00:08:37,920 Speaker 1: were good. But the Chargers know the truth in this 137 00:08:38,000 --> 00:08:40,120 Speaker 1: league is that Joe Burrow got to a super Bowl 138 00:08:40,480 --> 00:08:44,480 Speaker 1: with a battle line. Justin Herbert doesn't need both tackles. 139 00:08:44,679 --> 00:08:47,160 Speaker 1: He won't have Slater this year. Just give him Joe 140 00:08:47,200 --> 00:08:50,000 Speaker 1: Alt and they can blow out anybody at any time. 141 00:08:50,600 --> 00:08:52,280 Speaker 1: And here is Jim Harbaugh after the win. 142 00:08:53,480 --> 00:08:57,320 Speaker 4: Joe makes a huge difference. He's a great player, and 143 00:08:59,200 --> 00:09:02,839 Speaker 4: I would say in his leadership, getting eight healthy guys 144 00:09:02,840 --> 00:09:09,880 Speaker 4: out there is you don't been a challenge, but I 145 00:09:09,880 --> 00:09:11,719 Speaker 4: think we're gonna be better for it. I know that 146 00:09:11,760 --> 00:09:13,600 Speaker 4: because we're gonna have guys that are battle tested. 147 00:09:15,040 --> 00:09:17,440 Speaker 1: Just to give you a sense, I've always said, once 148 00:09:17,480 --> 00:09:20,720 Speaker 1: you get your head coach, quarterback's the most important person. 149 00:09:21,160 --> 00:09:24,720 Speaker 1: Left tackle is next than a pass rusher. Look at 150 00:09:24,760 --> 00:09:28,560 Speaker 1: this Joe Altz impact on the Chargers. When he's on 151 00:09:28,640 --> 00:09:31,760 Speaker 1: the field, they're four and oh if he starts and 152 00:09:31,800 --> 00:09:35,760 Speaker 1: finishes a game, and Herbert is a pro bowler. When 153 00:09:35,800 --> 00:09:41,520 Speaker 1: he's not, Herbert is okay and throwing fifty five times 154 00:09:41,520 --> 00:09:45,319 Speaker 1: a game with a passer rating in the eighties. So quarterback, 155 00:09:45,840 --> 00:09:49,800 Speaker 1: left tackle, somebody to rush the passer, and a weapon 156 00:09:49,880 --> 00:09:54,200 Speaker 1: or too. It's just that the Chargers have struggled outside 157 00:09:54,240 --> 00:09:57,800 Speaker 1: of the quarterback and the coach to have anybody available 158 00:09:58,600 --> 00:10:02,360 Speaker 1: on Thursdays or Sundays or Mondays. They did last night, 159 00:10:02,920 --> 00:10:07,960 Speaker 1: and look how easy it looks. J Rachel Nichols will 160 00:10:08,000 --> 00:10:11,480 Speaker 1: talk more. She's really really all dialed in on this 161 00:10:11,679 --> 00:10:15,240 Speaker 1: NBA stuff, which is I mean, I'm sure like you. 162 00:10:15,320 --> 00:10:18,480 Speaker 1: I listened to two podcasts this morning one last night. 163 00:10:18,559 --> 00:10:22,520 Speaker 1: Read everything I could. I've just I think one of 164 00:10:22,559 --> 00:10:25,240 Speaker 1: the things I've always loved is watching documentaries, and I've 165 00:10:25,240 --> 00:10:28,960 Speaker 1: watched over the years tennis scandals and NBA stuff, and 166 00:10:29,280 --> 00:10:32,080 Speaker 1: go back to the Black Sox scandal in baseball, is 167 00:10:32,120 --> 00:10:35,080 Speaker 1: that this is never going away. The mob gambling, poor 168 00:10:35,160 --> 00:10:37,760 Speaker 1: judgment athletes. I think it's part of the athlete spirit. 169 00:10:37,880 --> 00:10:40,720 Speaker 1: Some of them they just like juice, they like energy, 170 00:10:40,800 --> 00:10:43,200 Speaker 1: like being in the game, and poker games have been 171 00:10:43,240 --> 00:10:46,800 Speaker 1: going on forever. The Chauncey Billups accusations are he was 172 00:10:46,800 --> 00:10:49,280 Speaker 1: in on it, they were rigged, and he knew it. 173 00:10:50,120 --> 00:10:54,599 Speaker 1: If that is true, the sentence will be highly punitive. 174 00:10:55,040 --> 00:10:58,839 Speaker 1: But I do think we live in a time where 175 00:10:58,880 --> 00:11:01,319 Speaker 1: people on the internet are very fatalistic. 176 00:11:02,600 --> 00:11:03,600 Speaker 5: No, not at all. 177 00:11:04,040 --> 00:11:08,200 Speaker 1: Everything's the worst thing ever. And the only advantage to 178 00:11:08,320 --> 00:11:12,120 Speaker 1: being sixty is you've seen everything happen four times. And 179 00:11:12,200 --> 00:11:14,480 Speaker 1: I don't think a lot of our audience remembers the 180 00:11:14,600 --> 00:11:18,920 Speaker 1: ninety three finals Sons MJ. The talk I can remember 181 00:11:19,080 --> 00:11:23,440 Speaker 1: at one point in David Stern's career Bob cost Us interviewed. 182 00:11:23,600 --> 00:11:28,199 Speaker 1: It got incredibly testy because Bob the journalist was pressing 183 00:11:28,280 --> 00:11:31,720 Speaker 1: him on the gambling stuff, and Stern, who was a 184 00:11:31,960 --> 00:11:35,760 Speaker 1: combative fighter, the late great David Stern, And I don't 185 00:11:35,800 --> 00:11:37,720 Speaker 1: know if it was that finals or not, but Bob 186 00:11:37,800 --> 00:11:40,640 Speaker 1: felt it was necessary and he was right to press 187 00:11:40,720 --> 00:11:45,600 Speaker 1: him on the gambling stuff. And remember that predates large, 188 00:11:45,960 --> 00:11:49,040 Speaker 1: you know the Supreme Court ruling. So I can remember 189 00:11:49,080 --> 00:11:51,960 Speaker 1: the interview with Costas and Stern whenever it was, and 190 00:11:52,040 --> 00:11:56,240 Speaker 1: it was highly combative. So the reality is this stuff 191 00:11:56,240 --> 00:11:59,640 Speaker 1: and that just think about that. It's hard to explain. 192 00:11:59,679 --> 00:12:03,079 Speaker 1: We didn't have all this social media stuff. Michael was 193 00:12:03,200 --> 00:12:06,000 Speaker 1: very private, so when you were hearing things about Michael, 194 00:12:06,080 --> 00:12:09,880 Speaker 1: a lot of it was innuendu innuendo. Michael acknowledged he 195 00:12:09,920 --> 00:12:13,840 Speaker 1: was in Atlantic City during the Knick series before the 196 00:12:13,880 --> 00:12:15,040 Speaker 1: Sun's Bulls finals. 197 00:12:15,120 --> 00:12:16,520 Speaker 3: Imagine that today. 198 00:12:16,720 --> 00:12:18,960 Speaker 6: Yeah, well that's the problem. Like you said, satalistic. A 199 00:12:18,960 --> 00:12:20,800 Speaker 6: lot of these people on the internet today are like, 200 00:12:21,200 --> 00:12:25,840 Speaker 6: this is absolutely reprehensible. The integrity of the league is compromised. 201 00:12:25,920 --> 00:12:28,640 Speaker 6: That is so overblown it's not even funny, Like this 202 00:12:28,760 --> 00:12:29,840 Speaker 6: is not going to change anything. 203 00:12:29,960 --> 00:12:33,360 Speaker 5: Last night's games pretty incredible, Warriors, Nuggets go overtime, Like 204 00:12:33,800 --> 00:12:36,520 Speaker 5: this is an Is this an isolated incident, Colin. 205 00:12:36,480 --> 00:12:38,840 Speaker 1: Or do you think this is rampant throughout the I 206 00:12:38,840 --> 00:12:41,160 Speaker 1: think it's I think the poker games have been going 207 00:12:41,200 --> 00:12:44,000 Speaker 1: on in New York City, especially forever. By the way, 208 00:12:44,120 --> 00:12:47,000 Speaker 1: thank you staff. The costest interview was during the ninety 209 00:12:47,000 --> 00:12:51,000 Speaker 1: three finals, So yeah, I mean Bob was centerpiece on that, 210 00:12:51,120 --> 00:12:57,160 Speaker 1: and it was very appropriate. It was Big Jay journalism. 211 00:12:57,200 --> 00:12:59,920 Speaker 1: That's before we started handing out Big JA Journalism awards. 212 00:13:00,160 --> 00:13:06,560 Speaker 1: Would have certainly won. And it was a poignant, well crafted, 213 00:13:06,840 --> 00:13:11,760 Speaker 1: spirited debate and appropriate for the time. So I just 214 00:13:11,840 --> 00:13:15,319 Speaker 1: think I've just lived through all of this stuff. And again, 215 00:13:15,360 --> 00:13:20,000 Speaker 1: I covered UNLB basketball when one morning the Las Vegas 216 00:13:20,000 --> 00:13:23,000 Speaker 1: Review Journal had a picture of Richard the Fixer Perry 217 00:13:23,040 --> 00:13:26,800 Speaker 1: in a hot tub with David Butler, Moses Gurry, Anderson 218 00:13:26,880 --> 00:13:30,160 Speaker 1: Hunt for the record. Great guys, I mean, the easiest, 219 00:13:30,280 --> 00:13:33,440 Speaker 1: most fun group of young athletes to ever cover, especially 220 00:13:33,440 --> 00:13:34,640 Speaker 1: Scurry and Anderson Hunt. 221 00:13:35,200 --> 00:13:37,000 Speaker 3: And so I've been around this forever. 222 00:13:37,400 --> 00:13:40,680 Speaker 6: What about Calvin Ridley a year or two ago betting 223 00:13:40,679 --> 00:13:41,240 Speaker 6: in the NFL. 224 00:13:41,240 --> 00:13:43,800 Speaker 5: They have to suspend him like this happens everywhere. Let's 225 00:13:43,840 --> 00:13:44,960 Speaker 5: not freak out, Colin. 226 00:13:44,960 --> 00:13:47,679 Speaker 6: Would you agree that it feels like if you already 227 00:13:47,760 --> 00:13:51,000 Speaker 6: did not like the NBA, you're going all in bassably. 228 00:13:50,840 --> 00:13:53,560 Speaker 5: And if you like the NBA, you're like, Okay, Chauncey Billups. 229 00:13:53,800 --> 00:13:56,480 Speaker 6: If he's going and leaking information at poker games, yeah 230 00:13:56,520 --> 00:13:57,079 Speaker 6: he's an idiot. 231 00:13:57,120 --> 00:13:57,960 Speaker 5: He's going to be done. 232 00:13:58,120 --> 00:14:00,320 Speaker 6: But if he's just talking about it, not thinking that 233 00:14:00,360 --> 00:14:04,040 Speaker 6: these guys are actionable, he's probably gonna skate. I don't 234 00:14:04,080 --> 00:14:05,720 Speaker 6: know what's gonna happen, but I think you and I agree, 235 00:14:05,880 --> 00:14:07,360 Speaker 6: Chauncea Phillips. 236 00:14:06,840 --> 00:14:08,840 Speaker 5: Probably not gonna be coaching this year for Portland. 237 00:14:08,920 --> 00:14:09,120 Speaker 3: Yeah. 238 00:14:09,160 --> 00:14:12,560 Speaker 1: No, I think Chauncey, according to the accusations, is going 239 00:14:12,600 --> 00:14:14,240 Speaker 1: to be in a bit of trouble. I do think 240 00:14:14,320 --> 00:14:16,120 Speaker 1: Damon Jones is the one to keep your eye on. 241 00:14:16,280 --> 00:14:18,240 Speaker 5: He's not even in the league now, I don't think right. 242 00:14:18,840 --> 00:14:21,520 Speaker 1: He was a bounce around guy, very well liked. He 243 00:14:21,600 --> 00:14:24,000 Speaker 1: was friends with Lebron and again they're gonna be people. 244 00:14:24,120 --> 00:14:27,240 Speaker 1: I can assure you Lebron's not involved in this stuff. 245 00:14:27,280 --> 00:14:29,800 Speaker 1: Of course he's of course not, But I mean that 246 00:14:29,840 --> 00:14:31,360 Speaker 1: doesn't mean you can't have a friend. 247 00:14:31,880 --> 00:14:35,280 Speaker 6: Well, Damon Jones is texting gamblers, you know, get d 248 00:14:35,480 --> 00:14:36,480 Speaker 6: Jones paid or whatever? 249 00:14:36,480 --> 00:14:36,520 Speaker 3: This? 250 00:14:36,920 --> 00:14:39,320 Speaker 5: Right, Like, come on, it's amateur hour, dude, You're dumb. 251 00:14:39,680 --> 00:14:42,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, be sure to catch live editions of The Herd 252 00:14:42,160 --> 00:14:45,480 Speaker 2: weekdays and Noone Eastern non a em Pacific on Fox 253 00:14:45,520 --> 00:14:48,760 Speaker 2: Sports Radio FS one and the iHeartRadio app. 254 00:14:49,040 --> 00:14:51,000 Speaker 3: It's me Rob Parker. 255 00:14:51,680 --> 00:14:55,880 Speaker 7: Check out my weekly MLB podcast, Inside the Parker for 256 00:14:56,040 --> 00:14:59,680 Speaker 7: twenty two minutes of piping hot baseball talk featuring the 257 00:14:59,720 --> 00:15:02,560 Speaker 7: big his names, and newsmakers in the sport. 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Rachel Nichols in fifteen minutes. 269 00:15:46,760 --> 00:15:52,160 Speaker 1: What a what a wild, wacky world we live in. 270 00:15:52,840 --> 00:15:54,840 Speaker 1: I do think the NBA is going to be fine, 271 00:15:55,640 --> 00:16:00,240 Speaker 1: people will still watch it. I think incidents like the 272 00:16:00,320 --> 00:16:04,200 Speaker 1: Damon Jones, Chauncey billup stuff is there are rogued. Tim 273 00:16:04,280 --> 00:16:12,160 Speaker 1: Donneghee nineteen seventies, Boston College, Henry Hill, Richie the fixer Perry. 274 00:16:12,400 --> 00:16:15,920 Speaker 1: You can't, you can't. I mean this is not analogous, 275 00:16:15,960 --> 00:16:19,920 Speaker 1: but you know, it's like not everything is a large 276 00:16:19,960 --> 00:16:23,760 Speaker 1: group of people. Sometimes they always talk about this insecurity, 277 00:16:23,800 --> 00:16:28,320 Speaker 1: the lone gunman, the lone wolf who is disconnected. He's 278 00:16:28,360 --> 00:16:32,800 Speaker 1: a loaner. Nobody, FBI can't predict that stuff, CIA can't 279 00:16:32,800 --> 00:16:33,480 Speaker 1: predict that stuff. 280 00:16:33,520 --> 00:16:35,720 Speaker 3: That's what you always worry about security. 281 00:16:36,240 --> 00:16:38,840 Speaker 1: For government officials, CEOs. 282 00:16:39,280 --> 00:16:39,960 Speaker 3: It's a rando. 283 00:16:40,760 --> 00:16:44,120 Speaker 1: It's a lone wolf who's kind of a loaner and 284 00:16:44,160 --> 00:16:47,560 Speaker 1: not connected. So this idea that everything is this big honeycomb, 285 00:16:47,640 --> 00:16:50,120 Speaker 1: it's this big net all connected, I just don't believe 286 00:16:50,160 --> 00:16:52,560 Speaker 1: that to be true. I mean, I've been betting on 287 00:16:52,560 --> 00:16:56,560 Speaker 1: sports forever. I can bet ten dollars anytime and that's it. 288 00:16:57,000 --> 00:17:00,320 Speaker 1: But I can also have a glass of champagne celebrating 289 00:17:00,360 --> 00:17:03,160 Speaker 1: and that's it because it gives me a headache after one. 290 00:17:03,760 --> 00:17:07,600 Speaker 1: So I don't think this is a big net of 291 00:17:07,920 --> 00:17:17,640 Speaker 1: NBA players, mob gambling athletes. Bad judgment been around since 292 00:17:17,680 --> 00:17:21,840 Speaker 1: the Romans and the Chariot races, and it's going to continue. Well, 293 00:17:21,880 --> 00:17:23,440 Speaker 1: I've had a couple of good weeks. I've been on 294 00:17:23,480 --> 00:17:26,040 Speaker 1: a heater four and one last week, four and one 295 00:17:26,119 --> 00:17:30,520 Speaker 1: this week. I do not like taking favorites and I 296 00:17:30,600 --> 00:17:35,040 Speaker 1: do not like the lines this week at all. Here's 297 00:17:35,080 --> 00:17:35,880 Speaker 1: our Blazing five. 298 00:17:37,640 --> 00:17:41,119 Speaker 3: Let's blaze it up, fired Up. It's Collins Blazon five, 299 00:17:42,000 --> 00:17:43,200 Speaker 3: Fars and Ravens. 300 00:17:43,440 --> 00:17:49,720 Speaker 1: My favorite pick, Ravens. Lamar is backed minus six. Lamar returns. 301 00:17:50,520 --> 00:17:52,879 Speaker 1: Ravens average thirty three a game and six and a 302 00:17:52,920 --> 00:17:55,680 Speaker 1: half yards per play in the four games this year 303 00:17:55,720 --> 00:17:58,640 Speaker 1: with Lamar Jackson, and it's a must win game total 304 00:17:58,760 --> 00:18:03,000 Speaker 1: urgency for the franchise. Lamar has eaten the NFC for 305 00:18:03,160 --> 00:18:07,240 Speaker 1: lunch twenty four to three in his career. Even better 306 00:18:07,280 --> 00:18:11,560 Speaker 1: at home, the Bears on the road defense isn't as good. 307 00:18:11,640 --> 00:18:15,359 Speaker 1: Caleb Williams, by the way, last three games, completion percentage 308 00:18:15,400 --> 00:18:20,160 Speaker 1: has dipped to fifty eight point seven percent, and right 309 00:18:20,200 --> 00:18:23,520 Speaker 1: now the Bears defense can make splash plays and takeaways, 310 00:18:23,560 --> 00:18:25,840 Speaker 1: but it's allowing six point two yards per. 311 00:18:25,800 --> 00:18:27,679 Speaker 3: Play against Lamar. 312 00:18:28,080 --> 00:18:31,920 Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson's gonna eat favorite pick of the weekend, Ravens 313 00:18:31,920 --> 00:18:34,560 Speaker 1: minus six. They win twenty eight to twenty one, and 314 00:18:34,560 --> 00:18:39,480 Speaker 1: it won't feel that close. Browns hit Patriots another big favorite. 315 00:18:39,520 --> 00:18:42,960 Speaker 1: I like New England at home minus seven. Why because 316 00:18:43,440 --> 00:18:46,320 Speaker 1: four straight wins and they're averaging thirty a game during 317 00:18:46,359 --> 00:18:49,520 Speaker 1: those wins, and their defense is great against the run, 318 00:18:50,160 --> 00:18:55,080 Speaker 1: meaning Dylan Gabriel will have to pass to beat Drake 319 00:18:55,200 --> 00:18:58,200 Speaker 1: May and the Patriots in Brable. I don't see it happening. 320 00:18:58,520 --> 00:19:01,240 Speaker 1: Cleveland's defense not good in the road. In fact, the 321 00:19:01,240 --> 00:19:03,920 Speaker 1: Browns are zero and three on the road and they 322 00:19:03,920 --> 00:19:08,960 Speaker 1: have the twenty eight ranked rush offense. So Dylan Gabriel 323 00:19:09,359 --> 00:19:12,560 Speaker 1: is gonna have to be really good to keep up 324 00:19:12,680 --> 00:19:16,880 Speaker 1: and beat Drake May, who has been outstanding since Week two. 325 00:19:17,480 --> 00:19:20,280 Speaker 1: I don't think it's happening. I like the Patriots to 326 00:19:20,320 --> 00:19:23,480 Speaker 1: win by ten, twenty eight to seventeen. 327 00:19:23,520 --> 00:19:26,600 Speaker 3: That's eleven. Dolphins at Felcons. 328 00:19:26,840 --> 00:19:30,360 Speaker 1: I like the over forty four and a half points. 329 00:19:30,560 --> 00:19:34,400 Speaker 1: I've been hot on overs. Falcons are averaging twenty six 330 00:19:34,480 --> 00:19:37,639 Speaker 1: a game and Michael Pennix at home has a one 331 00:19:37,720 --> 00:19:41,240 Speaker 1: zero three passer rating. But they also have a terrible 332 00:19:41,280 --> 00:19:44,680 Speaker 1: red zone defense. If Miami threatens, Miami should do well 333 00:19:44,720 --> 00:19:47,720 Speaker 1: and eat in the red zone. But I like Atlanta 334 00:19:47,760 --> 00:19:50,720 Speaker 1: at home to score points. Jamak talked about this fast track. 335 00:19:50,760 --> 00:19:54,920 Speaker 1: They're very good. The Dolphins' opponents have combined. Dolphins and 336 00:19:54,960 --> 00:19:58,399 Speaker 1: their opponents have combined for forty five plus points in 337 00:19:58,400 --> 00:19:59,440 Speaker 1: five of the last six games. 338 00:19:59,480 --> 00:20:01,240 Speaker 3: On the overrun. Here's forty five and a half. 339 00:20:01,520 --> 00:20:06,000 Speaker 1: Their defense allows big, big plays in Atlanta at home 340 00:20:06,480 --> 00:20:12,600 Speaker 1: delivers big plays. The Dolphins defense not good. Atlanta's offense 341 00:20:12,680 --> 00:20:18,040 Speaker 1: at home very good. Take the over forty four and 342 00:20:18,080 --> 00:20:22,480 Speaker 1: a half points. Twenty eight, twenty one, thirty twenty four. 343 00:20:22,600 --> 00:20:29,040 Speaker 1: My bad of Falcons win forty nine ers at Texans. 344 00:20:29,600 --> 00:20:32,280 Speaker 1: This is a late ad. There are concerns about the 345 00:20:32,320 --> 00:20:36,600 Speaker 1: Texans health at wide receiver, but this offense for the Texans, 346 00:20:36,680 --> 00:20:40,040 Speaker 1: it's the number three scoring offense since Week four, and 347 00:20:40,119 --> 00:20:42,840 Speaker 1: their defense has been great all season. Sam Darnold and 348 00:20:42,880 --> 00:20:46,280 Speaker 1: Seattle at home last week really struggled with this defense. 349 00:20:47,119 --> 00:20:52,359 Speaker 1: So their defense is especially good at clamping down on 350 00:20:52,560 --> 00:20:54,840 Speaker 1: running backs and their receiving yards. 351 00:20:55,040 --> 00:20:56,119 Speaker 3: And the Niners right. 352 00:20:56,000 --> 00:21:00,679 Speaker 1: Now are living off McCaffrey running and McCaffrey receiving. And 353 00:21:00,720 --> 00:21:04,280 Speaker 1: the Niners are three and seven after a win the 354 00:21:04,480 --> 00:21:09,159 Speaker 1: last two seasons. So the Texans defense is great. The 355 00:21:09,280 --> 00:21:13,440 Speaker 1: Niners are still beat up. I think it's a Choppie game. 356 00:21:14,000 --> 00:21:19,600 Speaker 1: I'm gonna take the Texans twenty seven to twenty three, 357 00:21:21,400 --> 00:21:29,280 Speaker 1: Cowboys and Broncos. Finally, Denver minus three at home, I 358 00:21:29,440 --> 00:21:33,359 Speaker 1: like it. Take the Broncos three and zero at home. 359 00:21:33,760 --> 00:21:36,760 Speaker 1: Won eight straight home games dating back to last year, 360 00:21:37,200 --> 00:21:40,360 Speaker 1: and seven of those eight have been by eight plus points. 361 00:21:40,880 --> 00:21:44,520 Speaker 1: Bo Knicks won eight straight games at home. He's a 362 00:21:44,520 --> 00:21:47,520 Speaker 1: better home quarterback. The Cowboys. Listen, they beat the Jets, 363 00:21:47,600 --> 00:21:50,560 Speaker 1: the Giants and the Commanders, and Jaden Daniels wasn't healthy. 364 00:21:50,920 --> 00:21:52,480 Speaker 1: They've been one and three on the road. They're not 365 00:21:52,560 --> 00:21:56,040 Speaker 1: a great road team. And they have an atrocious third 366 00:21:56,080 --> 00:21:59,159 Speaker 1: down defense that will keep the ball away from Dak 367 00:21:59,280 --> 00:22:03,720 Speaker 1: and they have a big play defense, so the Broncos 368 00:22:04,119 --> 00:22:04,960 Speaker 1: are gonna. 369 00:22:04,880 --> 00:22:06,080 Speaker 3: Win time of possession. 370 00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:10,360 Speaker 1: The Broncos, who really need to hit on big plays, 371 00:22:10,400 --> 00:22:15,360 Speaker 1: have finally found a defense that surrenders big plays. So 372 00:22:15,440 --> 00:22:19,639 Speaker 1: I like Denver to win, and I like Denver to 373 00:22:19,960 --> 00:22:25,879 Speaker 1: cover the spread. Twenty eight twenty four Broncos wins. So 374 00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:30,120 Speaker 1: in a review, I like favorites this week, I generally 375 00:22:30,200 --> 00:22:34,280 Speaker 1: don't love them. Favorite bet Ravens minus six at home, 376 00:22:34,400 --> 00:22:40,760 Speaker 1: Lamar returns Patriots minus seven at home, Cleveland Dylan Gabriel 377 00:22:40,840 --> 00:22:43,119 Speaker 1: will have to throw to win, and I don't see it. 378 00:22:43,800 --> 00:22:47,720 Speaker 1: Take the over Atlanta at home scores and the Dolphins 379 00:22:47,800 --> 00:22:52,320 Speaker 1: defense is a mess. Take the over. I'm gonna take 380 00:22:52,359 --> 00:22:55,520 Speaker 1: the Texans at home minus one and a half. It's 381 00:22:55,560 --> 00:22:59,080 Speaker 1: my least favorite pick, but their defense is great, and 382 00:22:59,119 --> 00:23:03,760 Speaker 1: the Niners have the mtations offensively and Denver at home 383 00:23:03,880 --> 00:23:07,120 Speaker 1: to win and cover. I think that's a fun game. 384 00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:12,280 Speaker 1: I think it's a great watch. But Denver, they are 385 00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:15,800 Speaker 1: really really seeking the big play, and this is the 386 00:23:15,840 --> 00:23:20,800 Speaker 1: defense that does allow the big play. The Cowboys couldn't 387 00:23:20,800 --> 00:23:23,600 Speaker 1: say the last time I took three favors generally don't 388 00:23:23,640 --> 00:23:27,280 Speaker 1: like doing that. It's a wonky week for numbers now 389 00:23:27,320 --> 00:23:31,080 Speaker 1: I did not. I did not take the Steelers because 390 00:23:31,080 --> 00:23:34,040 Speaker 1: the number now is down to three, not three and 391 00:23:34,080 --> 00:23:37,160 Speaker 1: a half. So the hook was the key the places 392 00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:39,119 Speaker 1: I watched it's down to three. I think it's a 393 00:23:39,119 --> 00:23:43,280 Speaker 1: really good game, and it's funny Aaron's facing at home 394 00:23:43,359 --> 00:23:46,399 Speaker 1: facing the Packers again, and I was thinking about the 395 00:23:46,440 --> 00:23:49,080 Speaker 1: memories of him in Green Bay. So he won four MVPs. 396 00:23:50,160 --> 00:23:52,640 Speaker 1: He was not a great playoff quarterback eleven and ten 397 00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:55,600 Speaker 1: far was also about five hundred, so is Jordan Love. 398 00:23:56,280 --> 00:23:58,840 Speaker 1: So what I always think is interesting about Green Bay 399 00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:03,600 Speaker 1: remember it more fondly than reality because it was so 400 00:24:03,760 --> 00:24:07,359 Speaker 1: esthetically beautiful. I've said this, Dan Marino gets to a 401 00:24:07,359 --> 00:24:10,080 Speaker 1: super Bowl year two, never gets back, but we remember 402 00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:13,639 Speaker 1: Marino so fondly because it was such a beautiful eye 403 00:24:13,680 --> 00:24:18,959 Speaker 1: pleasing style. Same with Aaron. Aaron's last twelve years in 404 00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:21,919 Speaker 1: Green Bay. So he wins early in his career and 405 00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:23,720 Speaker 1: we think it's going to be a decade of dominance. 406 00:24:24,480 --> 00:24:28,879 Speaker 1: His last twelve seasons after that in Green Bay he 407 00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:32,320 Speaker 1: was seven and nine in the playoffs and lost multiple 408 00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:37,600 Speaker 1: times as a favorite. In fact, those nine losses his 409 00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:40,159 Speaker 1: last twelve years in Green Bay, and I looked us 410 00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:42,680 Speaker 1: up this morning, that was the most playoff losses by 411 00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:46,080 Speaker 1: any team in that stretch. Right, So Mahomes has been 412 00:24:46,080 --> 00:24:48,200 Speaker 1: to five Super Bowls and Manning to four, and Britty 413 00:24:48,280 --> 00:24:53,880 Speaker 1: was collecting rings and those are peers, right, It's just funny. 414 00:24:54,119 --> 00:24:58,760 Speaker 1: In Aaron he replaces Farv and we're like, oh, my god, 415 00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:02,400 Speaker 1: is he better than far And my bet was, oh, absolutely, 416 00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:06,359 Speaker 1: And they end up both being pretty to be honest 417 00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:09,320 Speaker 1: with you, being pretty average in the playoffs despite a 418 00:25:09,320 --> 00:25:13,560 Speaker 1: well run organization, good offensive lines, but farv I mean 419 00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:16,800 Speaker 1: one thing, all back Aaron on Aaron did not have 420 00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:20,199 Speaker 1: a lot of great defenses in Green Bay. And then 421 00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:23,000 Speaker 1: he goes to the Jets and they fire Sola and 422 00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:25,199 Speaker 1: that defense is no good. Then he goes to Tomlin 423 00:25:25,280 --> 00:25:27,320 Speaker 1: Pittsburgh and that defense. 424 00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:27,520 Speaker 3: Is no good. 425 00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:31,240 Speaker 1: And the one thing Bradio has had really good defenses 426 00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:36,640 Speaker 1: and the one thing Maholmes has now great defenses. So 427 00:25:36,800 --> 00:25:39,680 Speaker 1: to defend Aaron is that you look at his playoff 428 00:25:39,720 --> 00:25:42,800 Speaker 1: record and you're like, ah, he wanted. 429 00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:43,280 Speaker 3: A great defense. 430 00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:44,920 Speaker 1: Do you know the year he had a great defense 431 00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:47,480 Speaker 1: was the year he won a Super Bowl. 432 00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:50,440 Speaker 3: Rachel Nichols around the corner. It's the Herd. 433 00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:56,240 Speaker 2: One more Herd. The Herd streams twenty four hours a day, 434 00:25:56,320 --> 00:25:59,520 Speaker 2: seven days a week within the iHeartRadio app. Search Herd 435 00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:02,560 Speaker 2: to listen live or on demand whenever you like. 436 00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:07,879 Speaker 1: Well. Rachel Nichols has been covering the NBA since the 437 00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:12,520 Speaker 1: early nineties. Fox Sports NBA analyst Rachel Nichols is now 438 00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:16,679 Speaker 1: joining us on the show. So you know, there's a 439 00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:19,320 Speaker 1: lot to unpack. I think I listened to three to 440 00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:23,000 Speaker 1: four total podcasts this morning. Last night like you, you 441 00:26:23,119 --> 00:26:25,520 Speaker 1: cover this league regularly, so your feet on the ground. 442 00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:29,400 Speaker 1: Let's talk about the difference between sort of the active 443 00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:34,480 Speaker 1: and the passive involvement in these gambling operations. A lot 444 00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:37,080 Speaker 1: of it's squawk talk and a lot of its reality. 445 00:26:37,119 --> 00:26:38,280 Speaker 1: What's the difference here? 446 00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:38,840 Speaker 3: You see? 447 00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:41,520 Speaker 8: Well, there's two kind of categories of this, right, so 448 00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:45,040 Speaker 8: we know for sure that they're accusing Terry Rogier of 449 00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:48,440 Speaker 8: being active, right that he specifically went to go throw 450 00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:50,840 Speaker 8: his appearance in the game. He walked off the court early, 451 00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:53,160 Speaker 8: he told people bet the under, and they're accusing him 452 00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:56,560 Speaker 8: of sitting and counting the money gained from this with 453 00:26:56,640 --> 00:26:59,919 Speaker 8: his friend. A week later, Jante Porter has already ignowed 454 00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:02,879 Speaker 8: she he has played guilty to being active, to throwing 455 00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:05,720 Speaker 8: his participation in a game and getting the under bet. 456 00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:08,280 Speaker 8: And he is a waiting sentencing on that. And then 457 00:27:08,359 --> 00:27:11,840 Speaker 8: you have guys who it's not really clear, right. Chauncey 458 00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:16,080 Speaker 8: Billups is named in both sides of this suit as saying, oh, 459 00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:19,199 Speaker 8: he told an associate that a bunch of guys, including 460 00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:22,159 Speaker 8: a guy who matches Damian Lillard's description, will be sitting 461 00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:24,920 Speaker 8: that night, and that was used to go gamble. Now 462 00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:27,359 Speaker 8: did he just tell someone because he was telling a friend, 463 00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:30,520 Speaker 8: or did he do it on purpose to get them 464 00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:33,600 Speaker 8: to say, Hey, throw me a little cash, I'll bet 465 00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:36,360 Speaker 8: the under Damon Jones, we know, is accused of being 466 00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:40,080 Speaker 8: active in this situation, telling someone that Lebron James was 467 00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:43,159 Speaker 8: going to be sitting and then saying, hey, bet for 468 00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:47,040 Speaker 8: me and then pay me my money. We're talking about 469 00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:50,760 Speaker 8: twenty five hundred dollars apparently for giving that information, according 470 00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:51,720 Speaker 8: to the federal government. 471 00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:53,600 Speaker 9: So there's kind of two sides of this. 472 00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:56,480 Speaker 8: Chauncey Billups attorney, has come out very strongly and said 473 00:27:56,800 --> 00:27:58,920 Speaker 8: he would never do this on purpose. He would never 474 00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:01,960 Speaker 8: risk his career or his family. You know, his position 475 00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:04,000 Speaker 8: as a Hall of Famer or a coach in this league. 476 00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:07,280 Speaker 8: You have to assume that his defense is going to be, Yeah, 477 00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:09,040 Speaker 8: I showed up at these poker games. They paid me 478 00:28:09,119 --> 00:28:10,760 Speaker 8: to be in these poker games, but I didn't know 479 00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:12,800 Speaker 8: they were rigged. We're just going to have to soar 480 00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:16,000 Speaker 8: through and find out did they know who knew? 481 00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:17,640 Speaker 9: And is there a difference. 482 00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:20,560 Speaker 8: Between the guys who actively participated and the guys who 483 00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:23,440 Speaker 8: may have been around people they should not have been around, 484 00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:26,040 Speaker 8: And how much did they know it? Kind of though 485 00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:29,240 Speaker 8: for the NBA doesn't matter that much how these cases 486 00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:31,479 Speaker 8: shake out, because they now have to deal with the 487 00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:35,520 Speaker 8: fact that they have two active investigations. Now they've got 488 00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:38,720 Speaker 8: in the Clipper situation, They've got an owner who is 489 00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:41,480 Speaker 8: being investigated for saying, well, I didn't know this was 490 00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:44,479 Speaker 8: going on, but we have a sponsor who was paying 491 00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:47,560 Speaker 8: one of our players twenty eight million dollars to apparently 492 00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:50,640 Speaker 8: do nothing. You have a coach now being investigated, you 493 00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:53,840 Speaker 8: have players being investigated, and you have ex players being investigated. 494 00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:56,560 Speaker 9: That is a lot for one league. Colin, and I 495 00:28:56,640 --> 00:28:57,400 Speaker 9: agree with you. 496 00:28:57,720 --> 00:29:00,160 Speaker 8: The NBA has been around for nearly eighty years. The 497 00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:02,480 Speaker 8: NBA isn't going anywhere. These scandals are not going to 498 00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:03,280 Speaker 8: take down the leak. 499 00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:04,600 Speaker 9: But it is an. 500 00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:07,360 Speaker 8: Issue with if you say crime right in general, in 501 00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:09,360 Speaker 8: a neighborhood, crime is going to happen. You're never going 502 00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:11,560 Speaker 8: to have zero crime, but you can't have too much 503 00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:14,360 Speaker 8: crime right otherwise people won't want to come to that neighborhood. 504 00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:16,480 Speaker 8: And that is what the NBA is having to deal 505 00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:19,160 Speaker 8: with right now. You have so many different levels of 506 00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:21,480 Speaker 8: the game, people being accused of mal Feesi's here. 507 00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:22,640 Speaker 9: That is a lot. 508 00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:23,800 Speaker 3: Yeah. 509 00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:27,120 Speaker 1: So the NBA did their own investigation on Johntay Porter 510 00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:30,080 Speaker 1: and Terry Rozier, and then the FBI did their investigation. 511 00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:31,200 Speaker 3: How do they differ. 512 00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:34,240 Speaker 8: Well, look, the NBA doesn't have subpoena power, so I 513 00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:36,200 Speaker 8: don't blame the NBA at all for that. 514 00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:37,480 Speaker 9: They can only do so much. 515 00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:39,160 Speaker 8: They can only get people to talk to them who 516 00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:41,600 Speaker 8: want to talk to them. They can't put guys up 517 00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:43,240 Speaker 8: and say, hey, we're going to put you in jail 518 00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:45,480 Speaker 8: if you don't tell us this. So it is a 519 00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:48,680 Speaker 8: very different situation. It's why the NBA has been cooperating 520 00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:50,440 Speaker 8: with the government on these investigations. 521 00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:52,600 Speaker 9: But again, the optics. 522 00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:54,680 Speaker 8: Of it are difficult, and it is not the league's fault, 523 00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:57,520 Speaker 8: but it is the league's problem when they clear a 524 00:29:57,560 --> 00:30:00,560 Speaker 8: guy and then suddenly now he's facing time. 525 00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:01,000 Speaker 3: Yeah. 526 00:30:01,280 --> 00:30:04,920 Speaker 1: The damon Jones stuff to me is because I know 527 00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:07,640 Speaker 1: I don't know Lebron per se. I've talked to Lebron 528 00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:11,280 Speaker 1: for twenty minutes. Ohways, very friendly. I know people in 529 00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:15,240 Speaker 1: his circle very well. Again, if I've been critical of Lebron, 530 00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:17,760 Speaker 1: they don't reach out. They understand the game. I always 531 00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:20,200 Speaker 1: thought he surrounded himself with the smartest guys in the league, 532 00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:23,480 Speaker 1: because I think Lebron's really bright, good businessman, bright guy. 533 00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:27,920 Speaker 1: The Damon Jones was close to Lebron. He was on 534 00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:31,200 Speaker 1: a Laker team, unpaid, part of Darvinham's staff, and so, 535 00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:34,200 Speaker 1: you know, I mean, Damon was a well liked guy. 536 00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:36,600 Speaker 1: I think I've talked I don't know if I've talked 537 00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:38,479 Speaker 1: to him, but Damon Jones was kind of well liked. 538 00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:40,240 Speaker 1: Lebron liked him. I'm not sure if he was in 539 00:30:40,280 --> 00:30:43,000 Speaker 1: his circle, but you know, they hung out, they like 540 00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:46,360 Speaker 1: each other. There is a story that Damon they go 541 00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:50,760 Speaker 1: to Milwaukee and Lebron's banged up and he tells people, Hey, 542 00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:55,520 Speaker 1: I want to eat here. It is that one troubles 543 00:30:55,560 --> 00:30:59,320 Speaker 1: me because it involves the face of the league and 544 00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:02,480 Speaker 1: the Lake. If I had to rank these in order, 545 00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:05,320 Speaker 1: is that is that the chance or the Damon one 546 00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:06,960 Speaker 1: the league is truly frightened about. 547 00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:09,160 Speaker 8: Well, the Damon one is the kind of thing that 548 00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:12,000 Speaker 8: could spin out and have future repercussions. Right, because Damon 549 00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:14,440 Speaker 8: Jones was very close to Lebron. I'm not saying at 550 00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:16,600 Speaker 8: all that Lebron was involved in this. Nobody is saying 551 00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:18,960 Speaker 8: Lebron was involved in this, but he was close to 552 00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:21,240 Speaker 8: a lot of big names in this league. Damon Jones 553 00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:23,040 Speaker 8: is knocked around the league for a long time. He 554 00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:24,800 Speaker 8: was on a lot of different teams. He has close 555 00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:27,440 Speaker 8: relationships with a lot of guys. He had inside information 556 00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:30,120 Speaker 8: on a lot of different guys, and he was clearly 557 00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:32,800 Speaker 8: according to the federal government, he is alleged to be 558 00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:36,800 Speaker 8: a very active participant in this knowing what he was doing. 559 00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:39,400 Speaker 8: So if that is indeed the case, and he did 560 00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:41,640 Speaker 8: it with several other guys, we had Cash Pttel, the 561 00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:44,640 Speaker 8: director of the FBI, go on several television shows yesterday 562 00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:48,240 Speaker 8: after that press conference and say more is coming. He said, 563 00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:51,160 Speaker 8: this is just the beginning. So I got to believe him. 564 00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:53,840 Speaker 8: He knows what the FBI is investigating, and that is 565 00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:55,440 Speaker 8: what the league has to be concerned about. 566 00:31:57,440 --> 00:32:00,640 Speaker 1: The Chauncey Billups thing is just harder at my brain around. 567 00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:02,440 Speaker 3: Uh he. 568 00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:06,120 Speaker 1: I initially thought he was in the poker side of it, 569 00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:09,920 Speaker 1: which is Leakosa Nostra. I don't know if La Cosa 570 00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:12,520 Speaker 1: Nostra is involved in the NBA part. They are involved 571 00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:14,720 Speaker 1: heavily in the poker and for the record, I listened 572 00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:17,880 Speaker 1: to two podcasts last night, one from somebody who covers 573 00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:20,360 Speaker 1: the Mob for a living, and he said, there are 574 00:32:20,360 --> 00:32:22,880 Speaker 1: Mob games all over New York tonight. Yeah, it's just 575 00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:24,760 Speaker 1: you know, you know New York better than I do. 576 00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:27,240 Speaker 1: But like that's just the thing he was naming, you know, 577 00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:29,560 Speaker 1: on Lexington Avenue, there's a I mean, he was naming 578 00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:33,200 Speaker 1: the areas that I'm like, Okay, so and NBA players 579 00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:35,720 Speaker 1: have played cards forever. It's kind of part of the culture. 580 00:32:37,840 --> 00:32:41,800 Speaker 1: Do you think the league was caught off guard with 581 00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:42,160 Speaker 1: John C. 582 00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:42,720 Speaker 3: Billups? 583 00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:45,200 Speaker 1: I mean, players have done this in all sports that 584 00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:48,959 Speaker 1: The Chauncey one for me is whoa a coach? 585 00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:51,880 Speaker 3: How is that viewed? Are you shocked by that? 586 00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:54,960 Speaker 8: I was very shocked by it because Johncey is extremely 587 00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:57,280 Speaker 8: well liked around the league. He's known as a mentor, 588 00:32:57,320 --> 00:32:58,680 Speaker 8: a leader, a good guy. 589 00:32:59,120 --> 00:32:59,360 Speaker 9: You know. 590 00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:02,120 Speaker 8: The reason why he is held in such high esteem 591 00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:04,040 Speaker 8: isn't because he was such an elite. He's not the 592 00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:06,000 Speaker 8: leader in the NBA in points ever, He's not like 593 00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:08,920 Speaker 8: Lebron James. He's known as being one of the best 594 00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:12,680 Speaker 8: leader of men in the NBA, and here he is 595 00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:14,840 Speaker 8: being caught up in a scandal that at the very 596 00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:18,479 Speaker 8: least shows incredible bad judgment and according to the FBI, 597 00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:20,880 Speaker 8: shows a lot worse than that. And when you talk 598 00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:22,640 Speaker 8: about sort of the back and forth and why these 599 00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:24,440 Speaker 8: two cases are connected. 600 00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:26,840 Speaker 9: It's because a lot of the same guys are involved. 601 00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:29,160 Speaker 8: In the illegal poker game as in the betting, and 602 00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:31,800 Speaker 8: that is where the crossover is and why Chauncey is 603 00:33:31,840 --> 00:33:34,840 Speaker 8: also named in the illegal betting part but not indicted 604 00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:37,280 Speaker 8: in that part because he was with those guys, but 605 00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:40,280 Speaker 8: not necessarily, according to the FBI, purposely. 606 00:33:39,800 --> 00:33:41,000 Speaker 9: Giving information to them. 607 00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:43,640 Speaker 8: He just did give information to whether he knew or 608 00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:45,000 Speaker 8: not it was being used to bet. 609 00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:47,240 Speaker 9: But this is going to continue to. 610 00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:50,000 Speaker 8: Be a problem, and the NBA has to hope that 611 00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:52,959 Speaker 8: what happens is is that guys understand they could go 612 00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:56,160 Speaker 8: to jail for this, and once that realization sets in, 613 00:33:56,440 --> 00:34:00,240 Speaker 8: the hope is that players, coaches, anyone involved with the league. 614 00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:02,760 Speaker 9: Just stops messing with this. But the NBA is in a. 615 00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:04,920 Speaker 8: Little bit of a tough position, as are every sports 616 00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:08,200 Speaker 8: league now the way legalized betting is in these betting companies. 617 00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:10,719 Speaker 8: The NBA was estimated to make around one hundred and 618 00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:13,719 Speaker 8: seventy million dollars directly. 619 00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:14,600 Speaker 9: From betting companies. 620 00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:18,040 Speaker 8: It has two official relationships and other relationships with fifteen 621 00:34:18,200 --> 00:34:22,120 Speaker 8: other betting companies. Then you talk about fan engagement, because betting, 622 00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:24,520 Speaker 8: as we know, the whole point is it makes people 623 00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:27,400 Speaker 8: watch games they might not otherwise rutch, right, Uh, you 624 00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:29,320 Speaker 8: know this is a lopsided game, but I got to 625 00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:29,759 Speaker 8: bet on it. 626 00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:31,680 Speaker 9: I mean, it's fantasy football too. Why do we watch 627 00:34:31,680 --> 00:34:34,040 Speaker 9: so many football games we might not otherwise care about? 628 00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:37,080 Speaker 8: Right, So the engagement factor is also huge, and that's 629 00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:40,480 Speaker 8: estimated to be two or three hundred million dollars extra 630 00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:43,520 Speaker 8: a year pouring into the league fan engagement on top 631 00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:46,000 Speaker 8: of one hundred and seventy million dollars, so it really 632 00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:49,160 Speaker 8: has become an integral part of the league's income system. 633 00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:51,640 Speaker 8: So it's very hard to just walk away from all 634 00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:54,000 Speaker 8: of this. But it's also hard to think about the 635 00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:56,480 Speaker 8: fact that you have these games going on and right 636 00:34:56,560 --> 00:34:59,000 Speaker 8: underneath on the ticker is hey bet the third quarter? 637 00:34:59,160 --> 00:34:59,359 Speaker 1: Bet? 638 00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:01,160 Speaker 9: What's going on here? Yesterday? 639 00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:05,440 Speaker 8: We had several television networks across covering this, people discussing 640 00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:07,960 Speaker 8: it just like you and I, And underneath on the 641 00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:11,560 Speaker 8: ticker is go bet. Right Sports networks who have their 642 00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:14,840 Speaker 8: own sports book. ESPN has its own sports book. And 643 00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:17,120 Speaker 8: while they were discussing this on the Morning Show, it 644 00:35:17,239 --> 00:35:20,880 Speaker 8: said bet ESPN underneath. So this is so ingrained and 645 00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:24,200 Speaker 8: so available in a way. It wasn't twenty years ago. 646 00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:26,480 Speaker 8: You're talking about Michael Jordan going to Atlantic City. He 647 00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:28,759 Speaker 8: had to go to Atlantic City. You don't have to 648 00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:31,520 Speaker 8: do that anymore. And every single person involved with the 649 00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:33,920 Speaker 8: NBA just has to send a text, and it's a 650 00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:34,680 Speaker 8: much different game. 651 00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:38,000 Speaker 1: Well, you know, David Stern was really anti gambling. Adam 652 00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:42,680 Speaker 1: Silver was the opposite. Stern eventually came around and realized 653 00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:45,760 Speaker 1: the value. And I am a believer in legalized sports 654 00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:49,680 Speaker 1: gambling because it's a regulated market. The Terry Rose ear stuff, Rachel, 655 00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:52,520 Speaker 1: I'm sure you know this. They knew instantly. I mean 656 00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:55,080 Speaker 1: they knew within hours something was up. 657 00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:57,080 Speaker 9: I cut off betting for the rest of the night. 658 00:35:57,320 --> 00:36:00,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, and I do worry about Brian Windhorse said the 659 00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:03,000 Speaker 1: league knew as a fake and injury took them out 660 00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:05,799 Speaker 1: of games. Was the NBA strong enough? Barkley talked about 661 00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:10,319 Speaker 1: that last night. So I am four and I've worked 662 00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:14,200 Speaker 1: in Vegas like I am for regulation. Remember it was 663 00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:17,640 Speaker 1: Vegas that told the NBA about Tim Donneghey, yeah right, 664 00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:20,360 Speaker 1: they don't want to The margins are thin. They don't 665 00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:24,080 Speaker 1: want any of this. I'll just throw this at you 666 00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:30,080 Speaker 1: when you hear tip of the iceberg. I tend to 667 00:36:30,080 --> 00:36:32,439 Speaker 1: think it's more rogue stuff. I think most players get. 668 00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:34,439 Speaker 1: Let me ask you this, when you go to cover 669 00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:40,359 Speaker 1: the NBA, do you see signage? Do you see I mean, 670 00:36:40,719 --> 00:36:43,799 Speaker 1: obviously these players are told you can't talk about injuries 671 00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:48,319 Speaker 1: to non locker room people, Like, do you have a 672 00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:51,279 Speaker 1: sense when you go cover games that it's understood the 673 00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:55,480 Speaker 1: line not be crossed with gambling and non insiders. 674 00:36:55,719 --> 00:36:57,960 Speaker 8: I think it's understood that you don't do what Damon 675 00:36:58,040 --> 00:37:00,719 Speaker 8: Jones did, which was techt someone who is a known 676 00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:05,160 Speaker 8: gambling and associate and say, hey, bet the under because 677 00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:07,960 Speaker 8: or bet against the Lakers because Lebron isn't playing tonight. 678 00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:10,760 Speaker 8: I think players know that is against the rules. However, 679 00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:13,279 Speaker 8: there is a gray area and this is hard to 680 00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:15,880 Speaker 8: regulate and it's hard to even manage. If you're a player, 681 00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:19,359 Speaker 8: you tell a buddy, eh, I'm frustrated I'm not playing tonight. 682 00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:21,960 Speaker 8: That information is not out there yet, that buddy doesn't 683 00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:24,479 Speaker 8: work for the NBA. He can go place a bet 684 00:37:24,600 --> 00:37:26,600 Speaker 8: or tell other people to place a bet. 685 00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:29,360 Speaker 9: Based on that information. And that's always going to happen. 686 00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:31,959 Speaker 8: And it becomes even more complicated once we get into 687 00:37:31,960 --> 00:37:35,560 Speaker 8: college basketball and college sports, because the NCAA just a 688 00:37:35,600 --> 00:37:38,479 Speaker 8: couple days ago said that its players can now bet 689 00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:41,400 Speaker 8: on professional sports in the sport that they play. So 690 00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:43,319 Speaker 8: what if you're a player who is a junior or 691 00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:45,560 Speaker 8: senior who has a buddy in the NBA, who was 692 00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:47,319 Speaker 8: on your team, who was a teammate just a year 693 00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:50,279 Speaker 8: or two ago, who just in a casual conversation says, ugh, 694 00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:52,080 Speaker 8: I can't play tonight. No one knows that yet, but 695 00:37:52,080 --> 00:37:54,960 Speaker 8: I can't play. Oh my knee's bothering me. Now that 696 00:37:55,080 --> 00:37:58,719 Speaker 8: kid in college can go bet on that inside information. 697 00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:01,080 Speaker 9: This just gets very dangerous. 698 00:38:00,680 --> 00:38:03,279 Speaker 8: And sticky, and it is difficult when you say, is 699 00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:04,880 Speaker 8: it the tip of the iceberg or is it an 700 00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:06,759 Speaker 8: ice cube? As you said earlier in the show, which 701 00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:07,120 Speaker 8: I think is. 702 00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:07,920 Speaker 9: A great analogy. 703 00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:10,759 Speaker 8: I think it might be an iceberg, only because there 704 00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:13,799 Speaker 8: are so many different places this could crop up, all 705 00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:17,839 Speaker 8: across the NBA, all across other sports, all across college sports. Now, 706 00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:19,200 Speaker 8: so I think we're going to see a lot of 707 00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:21,880 Speaker 8: different places for this to happen, and you just have 708 00:38:21,960 --> 00:38:25,080 Speaker 8: to hope again, as players see, you can go to jail. 709 00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:27,640 Speaker 9: Your entire life can be ruined over this. 710 00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:30,560 Speaker 8: It is not worth it and you get into the 711 00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:33,440 Speaker 8: addiction side of it too, which is override some people's judgment. 712 00:38:33,640 --> 00:38:34,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, it did. 713 00:38:34,719 --> 00:38:37,319 Speaker 1: By the way, an NBA player is liable, and they 714 00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:40,840 Speaker 1: have been told this. If they talk about an injury 715 00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:46,200 Speaker 1: to a non team employee, they are lible. They could 716 00:38:46,239 --> 00:38:50,319 Speaker 1: say it to a friend. You can't. So I mean 717 00:38:50,520 --> 00:38:52,960 Speaker 1: every NBA player in every room they walk into is 718 00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:55,640 Speaker 1: the biggest star, right, and people come up to them 719 00:38:55,680 --> 00:38:58,520 Speaker 1: and they just I mean you almost have to hide 720 00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:01,160 Speaker 1: before a game and stay off your f I mean 721 00:39:01,239 --> 00:39:03,360 Speaker 1: really you really do as a as a player. So 722 00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:07,200 Speaker 1: I do have some sympathy there. Rachel Nichols, great stuff 723 00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:12,440 Speaker 1: as always. On an ongoing investigation and we'll just we'll 724 00:39:12,520 --> 00:39:13,560 Speaker 1: keep everybody updated. 725 00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:14,920 Speaker 9: Thank you, Rach, thank you. 726 00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:18,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's it's just not yeah, if you just 727 00:39:18,239 --> 00:39:20,320 Speaker 1: say and I thought about this. I was talking to 728 00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:23,239 Speaker 1: Danny Parkins about this on a pod last night and 729 00:39:23,239 --> 00:39:26,799 Speaker 1: and he kind of theorized, he said, what if you 730 00:39:26,920 --> 00:39:30,640 Speaker 1: couldn't bet unders, you could only bet over. You can't 731 00:39:30,680 --> 00:39:33,359 Speaker 1: bet this guy will score less this guy. Look, if 732 00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:36,120 Speaker 1: a guy scores more, it's good for everybody, right, the player, 733 00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:38,560 Speaker 1: the team, the guy. But you can't bet unders. But 734 00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:42,920 Speaker 1: I don't believe you should eliminate prop bets because then 735 00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:46,760 Speaker 1: it goes to the unregulated market and it's not supervised. 736 00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:52,040 Speaker 1: I want it supervised, so you know, you know, answers 737 00:39:52,040 --> 00:39:53,480 Speaker 1: Areno is easy with this stuff.