WEBVTT - Colt Knost

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<v Speaker 1>But it is terrifying being out there every single week

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<v Speaker 1>because you don't know who's miked up and who's not,

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<v Speaker 1>so you gotta be very careful with what you say.

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<v Speaker 1>I made a comment to Max Olma's caddie Joe Grinder

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<v Speaker 1>on day and he just starts laughing, and I go,

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<v Speaker 1>you're miked up right now, aren't you.

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<v Speaker 2>Yep. I'm like, damn it.

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<v Speaker 1>Guys like delete that I looked up for the guys,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's so fun. I'm Colt Knows from CBS Sports,

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<v Speaker 1>otherwise known as Big Gravy, and I am so excited

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<v Speaker 1>to be on Off the Beat.

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<v Speaker 2>Hello everybody, and welcome to Off the Beat with Me

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<v Speaker 2>your host Brian Boncartner. Now, guys, you aren't going to

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<v Speaker 2>believe this, but my guest today is someone I play

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<v Speaker 2>golf with. Yes. Now, I know that a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>my guests lately have also been my golf friends. But

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<v Speaker 2>here's the thing. I am very very lucky to get

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<v Speaker 2>to play golf with some really interesting people. In fact,

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<v Speaker 2>this is one of my favorite things about the game

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<v Speaker 2>of golf, is that I get to spend four or

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<v Speaker 2>five hours out on the course with someone. And I'm

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<v Speaker 2>really fortunate to have the time to talk and get

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<v Speaker 2>to know them very well, and so I want to

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<v Speaker 2>share some of these fascinating people with you. So today

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<v Speaker 2>I have brought a fascinating friend right off the green

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<v Speaker 2>and right into your ears. The great cult Gnost is

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<v Speaker 2>with me today. Colt is a former PGA Tour pro,

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<v Speaker 2>current PGA Tour commentator, and alumnus of SMU Hail to

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<v Speaker 2>the Red and the Blue. Like myself, go Mustangs, And

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<v Speaker 2>as I said an analyst on CBS golf coverage, where

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<v Speaker 2>he is doing a fantastic job, I know a few

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<v Speaker 2>things about golf. Colt knows seemingly everything about golf. He

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<v Speaker 2>knows so much, in fact, that he has not won

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<v Speaker 2>but two shows where he shares his knowledge and talks

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<v Speaker 2>about the sport. You can hear him on the podcast

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<v Speaker 2>Golf's Subpar and three days a week on his serious

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<v Speaker 2>XM show, Gravy and the Sleeves Cult No he's known

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<v Speaker 2>as Big Gravy. He's a big personality and he really

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<v Speaker 2>gives up the sometimes stuffy game of golf a big

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<v Speaker 2>injection of personality and I love it, and I love

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<v Speaker 2>what he is doing for the game of golf. So

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<v Speaker 2>let's hear about him starting his golf journey at a

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<v Speaker 2>very young age, and completing his pro career, retiring at

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<v Speaker 2>the also young age of thirty five, and beginning anew

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<v Speaker 2>in the media and broadcast world. Here he is my

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<v Speaker 2>friend and soon to be yours Big Gravy Cult gnhost

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<v Speaker 2>Bubble and Squeak. I love it, Bubble and Squeak on

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<v Speaker 2>Bubbling Squeak, I could get every more lift over from

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<v Speaker 2>the ninety before. What's up Cold?

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<v Speaker 1>How we doing, Brian? Thanks for having me on?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, thank you. I mean I can see you're a

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<v Speaker 2>professional podcaster. You have a light shining right directly behind you,

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<v Speaker 2>right into the thing. I mean, that's perfect. You've done it.

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<v Speaker 2>You've set yourself up perfectly.

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<v Speaker 1>It took me a while, but I kind of figured

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<v Speaker 1>it out a little bit. We do a few of these,

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<v Speaker 1>I know.

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<v Speaker 2>You certainly do. We're gonna talk about that in a minute. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>first off, how are you are you good? Are you

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<v Speaker 2>taking some time off these days? Well?

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<v Speaker 1>I thought I was. You know, we just did nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>to twenty one weeks to end the season for CBS,

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<v Speaker 1>starting back at AUGUSTA, so I thought I was gonna

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<v Speaker 1>have some time off. But you know, things come up

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<v Speaker 1>here and there, so I guess I'm for a fact,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't sit still very well. So I've been all

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<v Speaker 1>over the place, heading over to Roam here shortly for

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<v Speaker 1>the Ryder Cup, which I'm really pumped about. But yeah, man,

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<v Speaker 1>life's good. It's good to be wanted occasionally.

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<v Speaker 2>I guess CBS has the Ryder Cup this year.

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<v Speaker 1>No, they don't, NBC does. I'm actually working it for

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<v Speaker 1>Sirius XM. We have a show over there three days

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<v Speaker 1>a week and I'm going to be one of their

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<v Speaker 1>analysts over in Rome. I've never been to a Ryder

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<v Speaker 1>Cup across the pond, so I'm very excited.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh that's awesome, Well, congratulations on that. Is the Ryder

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<v Speaker 2>Cup the best golf event.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, it's it's my favorite to watch, just because

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<v Speaker 1>it's so different than anything. You know, it's actually team golf.

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<v Speaker 1>And going to my first Ryder Cup two years ago

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<v Speaker 1>at Whistling Straights. You know the scene on the first

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<v Speaker 1>t Friday morning. I mean, the people start getting there

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<v Speaker 1>at five am and they are going, you know, they

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<v Speaker 1>got the chance, the songs, everything, I mean, you get

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not even playing it. I was getting goosebumps, and

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<v Speaker 1>I was nervous the guys. But I just don't think

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<v Speaker 1>you see that passion at any other event other than

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<v Speaker 1>the Ryder Cup. I mean, the Masters, obviously, individually wise,

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<v Speaker 1>is the greatest golf tournament there is, but the Ryder Cup.

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<v Speaker 1>Since it's every other year, I think it makes it

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<v Speaker 1>so special and you get twelve guys coming together where

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<v Speaker 1>you know, normally it's just mono and mono.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, you know, I want to talk about you, but

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<v Speaker 2>you bring up something that I feel like I need

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<v Speaker 2>to talk about, which is, you know, we've got We've

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<v Speaker 2>got the Live Tour, which essentially has well I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know if it's staked its claim on this, but you know,

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<v Speaker 2>obviously one of the huge components for them was team play.

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<v Speaker 2>I had a conversation with Charlie Hoffman about this. Do

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<v Speaker 2>you feel like team play is coming for the PGA

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<v Speaker 2>Tour or no? I do not.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I'm all for, like I said, the Ryder Cup,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's every other year, the President's Cup all that

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<v Speaker 1>like that's different. I mean, that's representing your country, the

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<v Speaker 1>team part. Like I think the PGA Tour professional golf,

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<v Speaker 1>it's always been an individual sport, and I think that's

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<v Speaker 1>what makes it great. You know, you look at tennis,

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<v Speaker 1>like the ratings and singles are much higher than the

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<v Speaker 1>ratings and doubles, Like no one really cares about the

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<v Speaker 1>doubles matches at the USO game. Sorry, they just don't.

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<v Speaker 1>So therefore, I don't think it's that big deal. Like

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<v Speaker 1>Listen Live was great as a disruptor, but I don't

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<v Speaker 1>think the team aspect is that big a deal. I

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<v Speaker 1>think they're told to talk about it and say, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not playing that great this week, but I know

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<v Speaker 1>if I can play well the last act and really

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<v Speaker 1>help my team out and all that, I don't see it.

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<v Speaker 1>I still think golf's an individual game. You're out there

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<v Speaker 1>playing for yourself and your caddy, and you want to

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<v Speaker 1>go out there and win individually. I would say that

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<v Speaker 1>the individual win and live probably means a lot more

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<v Speaker 1>than the team win.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, I mean it's curious to me. I mean I

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<v Speaker 2>tend to agree with you, but you know, I think

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<v Speaker 2>the Righter Cup thing and Charlie said a similar version

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<v Speaker 2>of what you said, which is, if you're playing for

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<v Speaker 2>your country and as a spectator, you can get behind that.

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<v Speaker 2>Either you know, the Europeans or international teams or whatever

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<v Speaker 2>versus the United States wanting to beat the United States.

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<v Speaker 2>The United States wanting to you know, to dominate singularly.

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<v Speaker 2>So you feel like that is the thing that makes

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<v Speaker 2>it special and brings its passion. It's less about the

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<v Speaker 2>team aspect.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Like for me, like I played the Walker Cup,

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<v Speaker 1>which is the Amber version of the Ryder Cup, and

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, you put on the red, white and blue,

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<v Speaker 1>you hear your national anthem at the opening ceremonies, Like

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, it brings a lot of guys to tears.

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<v Speaker 1>You just in golf, you're never a part of the team.

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<v Speaker 1>And like I know it's in the Olympics now, which

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<v Speaker 1>is really cool, but it's still not you know, we're

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<v Speaker 1>used to seeing major championships and Ryder Cups growing up

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<v Speaker 1>in the game of golf, and I think you always

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<v Speaker 1>dream of putting on the red, white and blue, and

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<v Speaker 1>whether it's in America or in Europe, going over there

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<v Speaker 1>and being with eleven other guys and teaming up and

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<v Speaker 1>battling it out for your country. You're not battling it

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<v Speaker 1>out for it's no disrespect to live the cliques or

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<v Speaker 1>the range goats or anything like that. That's just that's

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<v Speaker 1>totally different. I haven't been able to get behind the

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<v Speaker 1>team aspect as far as it comes to live the

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<v Speaker 1>Ryder Cup. It's just different. I mean, being every other

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<v Speaker 1>year is such a huge deal, and you see the

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<v Speaker 1>fans are one side or the other. You know, there's

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<v Speaker 1>not twelve teams out there. There's a group of people

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<v Speaker 1>root for one team and a group of people root

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<v Speaker 1>for other. It's listen, I'm Team USA and I'm Team Europe,

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<v Speaker 1>and we're gonna chant, we're gonna sing, we're gonna talk

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<v Speaker 1>trash and have fun. I just don't think it's quite

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<v Speaker 1>on the same level.

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<v Speaker 2>The other point you made that that I have to

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<v Speaker 2>address with you or at least ask your opinion about

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<v Speaker 2>what makes the Masters the greatest golf tournament.

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<v Speaker 1>I think because it's at one golf course throughout the

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<v Speaker 1>history of time. And so if even if you're not

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<v Speaker 1>a golf fan like you can probably you probably know

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<v Speaker 1>what Amen Corner is. You can recognize those holes because

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<v Speaker 1>we see it every year and it's just one of

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<v Speaker 1>the most beautiful places on the planet. Everybody knows about

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<v Speaker 1>the Green Jacket, the history. I think that's what makes

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<v Speaker 1>it so special? I mean, it's by far the most

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<v Speaker 1>watched golf tournament every single year, and the place is

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<v Speaker 1>just so special.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you know, it's funny. I've talked to some people

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<v Speaker 2>about this, the sort of the age old like what's

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<v Speaker 2>the what's the greatest golf course? Or people asking me

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<v Speaker 2>like what's my favorite golf course or whatever, And a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of times people will bring up Cyprus right up

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<v Speaker 2>there on the Monterey Peninsula, and you know, talk about

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<v Speaker 2>that versus pebble and people saying, oh, Cypress is so

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<v Speaker 2>much better. See for me, it can't compare to pebble.

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<v Speaker 2>And the reason why simply is, as you're playing pebble,

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<v Speaker 2>you remember shots that you have seen year after year,

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<v Speaker 2>either in US Opens or the regular tour event at

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<v Speaker 2>and T that's played there. Oh this shot on six,

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<v Speaker 2>Oh this shot on seventeen, you know, and to be

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<v Speaker 2>able to play those shots that the other players that

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<v Speaker 2>you've watched other players play so much to me that

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<v Speaker 2>that makes it special, right, yes.

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<v Speaker 1>One hundred percent. And just going back to the Masters,

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<v Speaker 1>like my first ever trip there, I believe it was

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<v Speaker 1>three years ago to cover the Masters, and it was

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<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty one, it was still very limited patrons and

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<v Speaker 1>all that. So Monday, I get there and I go

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<v Speaker 1>out and I walk all eighteen holes by myself, and

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<v Speaker 1>you're exactly right, like I'm going up every hole and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, oh, so and so did this there, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>And I knew exactly what hole was coming every time.

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<v Speaker 1>Like it wasn't like I would walk to a hole

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<v Speaker 1>and be like, oh, this is number four. It's like, no,

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<v Speaker 1>I know what number four is. Watched it so many times,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I remember, like on seventeen you're putting from

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<v Speaker 1>the left side of the green to the right. It's

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<v Speaker 1>crazy fast going that way, and everybody thinks it breaks right,

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<v Speaker 1>but it always holds up. So you just you remember

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<v Speaker 1>those little things. And going around Augusta sing it in

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<v Speaker 1>person for the first time, I was just blown away

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<v Speaker 1>at by how small the sections in the greens are,

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<v Speaker 1>Like you have to be so precise, and it just

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<v Speaker 1>shows you how good these guys are. Like seeing like

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<v Speaker 1>everybody on sixteen on Sunday, right, you're waiting on that

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<v Speaker 1>hole in one because we see it every single year,

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<v Speaker 1>And then you get there on the tea box and

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<v Speaker 1>you're like, Okay, that's not really that big of an

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<v Speaker 1>area where these guys lay in that golf ball. This

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<v Speaker 1>is not that easy.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm a shot, right right, all right. I could talk

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<v Speaker 2>golf forever, but let's talk about you something equally as interesting.

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<v Speaker 2>That's interesting. You were born in Ohio and then fairly

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<v Speaker 2>quickly moved to Pilot Point, Texas. What was the move?

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<v Speaker 2>Was this some family move? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>My mom moved down there when I was very young.

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<v Speaker 1>So like, I consider myself from Texas and I have

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<v Speaker 1>some family in Ohio, but I don't remember any of Ohio,

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<v Speaker 1>and my voice definitely doesn't sound like I'm from Ohio.

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<v Speaker 1>I quickly adopted the Texas twang. But yeah, mom moved

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<v Speaker 1>down there, and you know, it was a blessing, obviously

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<v Speaker 1>a much better weather throughout the year in Ohio and

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<v Speaker 1>introduced me to the game of golf.

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<v Speaker 2>How did you start playing golf? Did you start playing

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<v Speaker 2>really early? Are you like a four year old out

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<v Speaker 2>there little gravy swinging or are you are you is

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<v Speaker 2>this later? No?

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<v Speaker 1>So I joke around about this, but I'm actually seriously

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<v Speaker 1>like I was a sports freak growing up. I mean, football, baseball, basketball, hockey.

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<v Speaker 1>I loved it all. I watched it all. Golf was

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<v Speaker 1>later for me, and it's honestly because I realized, like,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not going to be built for much else, Like

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not going to be six ' three in the

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<v Speaker 1>you know, the super fit guy and super athletic, Like

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<v Speaker 1>that's probably not just me.

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<v Speaker 2>So I started.

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<v Speaker 1>I had some buddies that played golf. I picked it up,

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<v Speaker 1>and I absolutely fell in love immediately, and I pretty

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<v Speaker 1>much quit every other sport and focused on just golf.

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, if I want to do anything in

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<v Speaker 1>professional sports, I think this is the route I have

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<v Speaker 1>to go. So I was all in on golf immediately,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's honestly because of the way.

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<v Speaker 2>I was built. How old are you at this point?

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<v Speaker 1>I was twelve or thirteen when I picked up I

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<v Speaker 1>think I was twelve years old because Tiger was the

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<v Speaker 1>big influence when he won the ninety seven Masters.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so you're twelve or thirteen years old by the way,

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<v Speaker 2>Like I decided at a really early age, I was

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<v Speaker 2>going to be the first basement for the Atlanta Brave.

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<v Speaker 2>So for me it was early as well. It didn't

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<v Speaker 2>happen for me quite that way, but for you was

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<v Speaker 2>it like, oh, I'm picking this up and this is

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<v Speaker 2>what I'm gonna do. Is it that early?

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<v Speaker 1>It was pretty early on, But I still didn't know

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<v Speaker 1>throughout my career because growing up in Pilot Point, Texas

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<v Speaker 1>by the way, as a town of five thousand people,

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<v Speaker 1>it's like horse country. There's not a golf course. My

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<v Speaker 1>former stepdad was a horse trainer and we had a

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<v Speaker 1>fifty five acre range. So basically I had my own

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<v Speaker 1>driving range at the house. I just had to go

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<v Speaker 1>pick them up and shag balls, okay, And I I

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<v Speaker 1>was very natural, like I didn't take a lot of lessons.

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<v Speaker 1>Started later on working with a coach here and there,

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<v Speaker 1>but I just fell in love with the game and

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, you know what, this is what I'm

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<v Speaker 1>gonna do. I'm going to figure out a way to

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<v Speaker 1>make it in golf. And I would every day after school.

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<v Speaker 1>I would be out there alongside the house hitting golf

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<v Speaker 1>balls into the past year, going out there and picking

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<v Speaker 1>them up and just got better year in year out.

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<v Speaker 1>Didn't play a ton of national like junior stuff or

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<v Speaker 1>anything like that, didn't have many college looks. Ended up

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<v Speaker 1>where you went at SMU. Here you go because my

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<v Speaker 1>longtime coach, Randy Smith was ten minutes down the road

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<v Speaker 1>at Royal US Country Club, and I worked with him

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<v Speaker 1>and even in college, Like I remember I went out

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<v Speaker 1>my first qualifying round because you have twelve guys on

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<v Speaker 1>the team and only five travel My first round shot

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<v Speaker 1>seventy seven, and I told my mom, I'm like, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know if I'm made for this, and just kept working,

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<v Speaker 1>ended up making the first tournament, never missed one throughout

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<v Speaker 1>college in four years, and just continue to get better

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<v Speaker 1>and then obviously had a lot of success my senior

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<v Speaker 1>year and knew like, hey, PGA Tours my dream, and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to do everything I can to get there.

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<v Speaker 2>The Western Athletic Conference, the WHACK conference that SMU was

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<v Speaker 2>in at the time, two thousand and four Freshmen of

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<v Speaker 2>the Year. So yeah, I mean you started out quickly.

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<v Speaker 2>The seventy seven must have turned into six is pretty quickly.

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<v Speaker 2>How SMU has always had or typically has a great

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<v Speaker 2>golf team. Rice and Deshambeau among others, went there. And

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<v Speaker 2>how was SMU when you were there? Were you competing nationally?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we made it to nationals two out of my

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<v Speaker 1>four years. You know, you got to go through conference

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<v Speaker 1>regionals and then get to Nationals. Probably our best team

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<v Speaker 1>we ever had was my junior year and we just

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<v Speaker 1>missed out, which was a tough one. But yeah, we

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<v Speaker 1>have a great history there between you know, the late

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<v Speaker 1>Payne Stewart of course, an SMU mustang, Hank Keeney. We

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<v Speaker 1>went on a run where we won four USMS in

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<v Speaker 1>sixteen years at a school like SMU, which is kind

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<v Speaker 1>of unheard of. Kelly Kraft Prison, myself and Hank Keeney.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, I mean it's always been a good school.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a great spot. Obviously, have great facilities there in Dallas.

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<v Speaker 1>But the biggest thing for me was I was able

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<v Speaker 1>to stay close to Randy Smith and work on my game.

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<v Speaker 2>So was Randy your official coach?

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<v Speaker 1>He was my swing coach, not my college coach. I

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<v Speaker 1>worked with a guy. Our college coach was Jay Laurd SMU,

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<v Speaker 1>but Randy Smith was the longtime swing instructor Justin Leonard,

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<v Speaker 1>he's now a Scotti Scheffler. He's at Scotti Sheffler In's

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<v Speaker 1>he was six years old. He was my swing coach.

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<v Speaker 1>So when I wasn't practicing with the team, I was

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<v Speaker 1>out working with Randy.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, you decide to turn pro when you leave school.

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<v Speaker 2>You have had a ton of success in college. What

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<v Speaker 2>was behind the decision for you to make that jump

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<v Speaker 2>and decide that you're now going to grind and turn pro?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so it was, you know, whinning the US Amateur

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<v Speaker 1>got me an invite to the Masters the next April.

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<v Speaker 2>Which you didn't you didn't take.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So I mean, that's obviously one that gets a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of criticism, and you know, looking back at I'm.

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<v Speaker 2>Not criticizing, but that's partly why I'm asking, Like you're

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<v Speaker 2>sort of dialed into this path and you decide to

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<v Speaker 2>turn pro. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>The biggest thing for me was, you know, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>and now going professional it's a business now. And the

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<v Speaker 1>way I looked at it and my team looked at

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<v Speaker 1>it was like my stock was never going to be

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<v Speaker 1>any higher. Like I was the number one am in

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<v Speaker 1>the world. I had just done something that only two

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<v Speaker 1>other people in the game of golf had done, an

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<v Speaker 1>amateur golf like and there was a financial opportunity there

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<v Speaker 1>for me. And as a twenty two year old kid,

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<v Speaker 1>it's it's hard to pass that stuff up. And I

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<v Speaker 1>was confident enough in my ability that I would get

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<v Speaker 1>back to the Masters, and I talked to a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of people. I mean Phil Mickelson being one of them

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<v Speaker 1>who reached out. We had a long discussion about it,

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<v Speaker 1>and I decided it was time. Obviously, you know, I

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<v Speaker 1>wish I would have played in the Masters, but I didn't.

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<v Speaker 1>But at the right at that time, that was the

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<v Speaker 1>right decision.

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<v Speaker 2>Right. Do you regret it? No, I don't regret it

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<v Speaker 2>at all.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't regret anything I've done in my career, just

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<v Speaker 1>because I think it's led me to a place that

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<v Speaker 1>I'm really supposed to be, which I'm sure we'll get to.

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<v Speaker 1>But no, I mean, it's hard to look back. Like

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<v Speaker 1>like I said, I would have loved to have played

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<v Speaker 1>in the Masters. I joke if I would have played

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<v Speaker 1>in the two thousand and eight Masters when in the

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<v Speaker 1>USAM champ plays with the defending champion, which would have

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<v Speaker 1>been Zach Johnson, and I always give Zach ardon. Like

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<v Speaker 1>you guys, if Tiger would have been the defending champion,

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<v Speaker 1>I would stayed there. I didn't want to play with

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<v Speaker 1>another guy that hits it short and butts it really well,

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<v Speaker 1>like I see that every day.

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<v Speaker 2>You don't stay now? Is it buy dot Com? At

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<v Speaker 2>the time? Still?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh god, I think it was web dot com.

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<v Speaker 2>Web dot Yeah, the current Corn Ferry Tour. You miss

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<v Speaker 2>out getting your PGA Tour card, but just for one year,

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<v Speaker 2>and the second year you win two tournaments. Are you

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<v Speaker 2>feeling like your trajectory is You're gonna be the best

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<v Speaker 2>in the world.

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<v Speaker 1>Everything is going the way it's supposed to. Honestly, Like,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean doing what I did No. Seven, going over

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<v Speaker 1>to two thousand and eight on the now Korn Ferry

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<v Speaker 1>Tour and winning twice. Honestly, had a couple of chances

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<v Speaker 1>to win even.

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<v Speaker 2>More, Oh you did.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, I had a few chances. I mean I

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<v Speaker 1>was in the final group in Omaha, I remember to

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<v Speaker 1>get a battlefield promotion, had a good chance at the

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<v Speaker 1>Tour Championship as well. But honestly, that was probably one

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<v Speaker 1>of the worst things that happened to me, is because

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<v Speaker 1>I felt like golf was easy. I literally had not

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<v Speaker 1>played bad in two years, and so I'm like, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>gonna go out on the PGA Tour. I'm gonna win

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<v Speaker 1>once or twice a year out there, make millions of dollars,

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<v Speaker 1>have a great career, and then right off into the

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<v Speaker 1>sunset and then the golfing gods heard me. They slapped

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<v Speaker 1>me around.

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<v Speaker 2>There for a while.

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<v Speaker 1>There's a lot of distraction out on the PGA Tour

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<v Speaker 1>that are a lot of fun, and I, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>that's the one thing I probably do regret is not

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<v Speaker 1>working as hard early on in my PGA Tour career

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<v Speaker 1>as I did.

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<v Speaker 2>You know in college and amateur golf. So once you

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<v Speaker 2>got your tour card, you feel like you worked not

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<v Speaker 2>as hard.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I just I thought, like, honestly, it was just

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<v Speaker 1>everything was easy. I'd won something like if you went

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<v Speaker 1>back between college and my first year on the corn

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<v Speaker 1>free I had won like eight times in two years.

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<v Speaker 1>Like it was just it was, seriously, golf felt easy.

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<v Speaker 1>And I went out there and wasn't working the way

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<v Speaker 1>I was. Had a horrible rookie year. Had to go

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<v Speaker 1>back and those first few seasons I was back and

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<v Speaker 1>forth between the corn Fairy and the PGA Tour, just

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<v Speaker 1>trying to find my footing. And it took me a

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<v Speaker 1>little while. It took a lot of growing up.

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<v Speaker 2>I talked to Charlie about that a little bit as well,

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<v Speaker 2>that the only equivalent kind of right is going between

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<v Speaker 2>Major League Baseball and the miners. How was that for you?

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know mentally emotionally, was was that difficult free

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<v Speaker 2>you, you know, being relegated or I guess soccer too right,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm watching Wreckham right now being relegated back? Was that

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<v Speaker 2>tough for you?

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's tough on everybody, you know, starting out

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<v Speaker 1>when you're twenty two, like, you're hungry, you'll play anywhere.

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<v Speaker 1>That competition is great. You're playing professional golf for a

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<v Speaker 1>living at the second highest level basically, so things are great.

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<v Speaker 1>But then you get a taste of the PGA Tour

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<v Speaker 1>and you have to go back and it's a slap

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<v Speaker 1>in the face. You go from courtesy cars, nice hotels,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, finish top ten, making six figures. Things are great,

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<v Speaker 1>and then you have to go back again, and you

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<v Speaker 1>go back and back and forth, and eventually, the older

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<v Speaker 1>you get, I think the tougher it is. Early on

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<v Speaker 1>it's like, okay, I'm learning, I'm learning. But eventually it's

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<v Speaker 1>it's at one point it's like okay, enough is enough,

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<v Speaker 1>Like it's time for me to step up play golf

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<v Speaker 1>and stay out here on the PGA Tour where I belong.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you feel like you did that in twenty fifteen?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Eventually, you know, I finally got comfortable. I had

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<v Speaker 1>a good year in twelve, I believe twenty twelve, struggled

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<v Speaker 1>in thirteen, and then fifteen and sixteen I really started

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<v Speaker 1>playing well, had a few chances to win. I think

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<v Speaker 1>I had like eight top tens in two years, something

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<v Speaker 1>like that. And then I hurt my left hand and

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<v Speaker 1>had some struggle with that. But I finally felt like

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<v Speaker 1>things were heading in the right direction right before I

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<v Speaker 1>got hurt.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you and I spent a little bit of time

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<v Speaker 2>together during that time when you hurt your hand. Now

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<v Speaker 2>what exactly happened? Again? What was it? So?

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<v Speaker 1>I was really struggling with a lot of pain in

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<v Speaker 1>my left thumb in twenty sixteen. Had it looked at

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<v Speaker 1>many at times kept telling me there was really wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>anything wrong with my thumb, and I was playing. So

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<v Speaker 1>I went all of twenty sixteen where my doctor let

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<v Speaker 1>me warm up for twenty minutes before the round and

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<v Speaker 1>then no practice afterwards. And I had the best year

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<v Speaker 1>of my career. But it got to the point where

0:21:45.480 --> 0:21:47.920
<v Speaker 1>my clubhead speed kept going down and down and down.

0:21:48.400 --> 0:21:50.440
<v Speaker 1>And I can't afford that. I mean, I don't hit

0:21:50.440 --> 0:21:52.880
<v Speaker 1>it far as it is went in. They finally looked

0:21:52.880 --> 0:21:55.160
<v Speaker 1>at my wrists and my wrist was jacked up. Went

0:21:55.200 --> 0:21:58.600
<v Speaker 1>in fixed, that was out nine months, came back, hit

0:21:58.600 --> 0:22:00.520
<v Speaker 1>a shot in Dallas and was like, man, and something's

0:22:00.600 --> 0:22:02.680
<v Speaker 1>not right, Like I just felt that pain immediately again

0:22:02.720 --> 0:22:05.080
<v Speaker 1>in my thumb. Saw a specialist there in Dallas and

0:22:05.119 --> 0:22:07.320
<v Speaker 1>he's like, whoever told you there was nothing wrong with

0:22:07.359 --> 0:22:10.360
<v Speaker 1>your thumb was out of your mind, Like your ucl

0:22:10.480 --> 0:22:12.760
<v Speaker 1>in your left thumb is hanging on by a threat,

0:22:12.920 --> 0:22:15.679
<v Speaker 1>like we should have to do surgery tomorrow. So I

0:22:15.760 --> 0:22:18.879
<v Speaker 1>literally withdrew from Byron Nelson that week, had surgery the

0:22:18.880 --> 0:22:20.280
<v Speaker 1>next day, and was out another nine months.

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<v Speaker 2>Jeez, So when.

0:22:22.960 --> 0:22:25.480
<v Speaker 1>Of those things happened? But you know, the way I

0:22:25.520 --> 0:22:27.240
<v Speaker 1>look at it is like that injury led me to

0:22:27.280 --> 0:22:28.800
<v Speaker 1>what I'm doing now, and it might be the best

0:22:28.800 --> 0:22:29.560
<v Speaker 1>thing that ever happened.

0:22:30.080 --> 0:22:33.680
<v Speaker 2>Right, do you think if you had I mean, hindsight

0:22:33.760 --> 0:22:36.080
<v Speaker 2>is twenty twenty, But if someone had told you what

0:22:36.119 --> 0:22:39.040
<v Speaker 2>the real issue was earlier, that you could have gotten

0:22:39.040 --> 0:22:42.960
<v Speaker 2>it corrected earlier and come back stronger. Yeah.

0:22:43.000 --> 0:22:46.840
<v Speaker 1>Maybe. Obviously being out, being out for a lengthy amount

0:22:46.840 --> 0:22:48.879
<v Speaker 1>of time is brutal, just I mean, not being in

0:22:48.960 --> 0:22:50.480
<v Speaker 1>competition is tough.

0:22:50.840 --> 0:22:53.760
<v Speaker 2>Well, you lose your status too, right, Well, you can.

0:22:53.600 --> 0:22:55.359
<v Speaker 1>Come back and play on a major medical which is

0:22:55.359 --> 0:22:57.119
<v Speaker 1>what I was. So I was on a medical exemption.

0:22:57.160 --> 0:22:59.399
<v Speaker 1>So I still gotten all the PGA Tour events. I

0:22:59.440 --> 0:23:01.520
<v Speaker 1>just didn't play as well as I needed to keep

0:23:01.520 --> 0:23:04.280
<v Speaker 1>my car. But yeah, the way I was playing in

0:23:04.320 --> 0:23:06.320
<v Speaker 1>fifteen and sixteen, I was very confident I could come

0:23:06.320 --> 0:23:08.399
<v Speaker 1>back and do it again. But also, the game of

0:23:08.440 --> 0:23:11.840
<v Speaker 1>golf's changed a ton in the last decade. You don't

0:23:11.840 --> 0:23:14.560
<v Speaker 1>see many guys that play the way I did out

0:23:14.560 --> 0:23:17.600
<v Speaker 1>there competing still today. Like the short precision hitters really

0:23:17.640 --> 0:23:18.600
<v Speaker 1>don't exist anymore.

0:23:19.400 --> 0:23:22.360
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Zach Johnson, who you mentioned before.

0:23:22.160 --> 0:23:23.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he's done right. We had a guy calling to

0:23:24.000 --> 0:23:26.320
<v Speaker 1>our radio show the other day and say that Zach

0:23:26.359 --> 0:23:28.960
<v Speaker 1>Johnson was a mediocre PGA Tour player. I was, like,

0:23:29.119 --> 0:23:32.200
<v Speaker 1>he's fourteenth all time in career money, and he hasn't

0:23:32.240 --> 0:23:34.159
<v Speaker 1>had the greatest last three or four years when the

0:23:34.160 --> 0:23:36.200
<v Speaker 1>purses have gone up, and he's a two time major

0:23:36.240 --> 0:23:39.440
<v Speaker 1>championship at d two most historic golf courses in the world.

0:23:39.880 --> 0:23:40.520
<v Speaker 2>Hall of Famer.

0:23:40.920 --> 0:23:44.560
<v Speaker 1>Oh I'll take I'll take that mediocrity please.

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<v Speaker 2>You did compete in one hundred and ninety nine. Wow.

0:24:07.760 --> 0:24:11.440
<v Speaker 2>When I saw that number, I felt, I was, that's unfortunate.

0:24:11.800 --> 0:24:14.879
<v Speaker 2>One hundred and ninety Is it two hundred if you

0:24:14.960 --> 0:24:17.200
<v Speaker 2>count the Byron Nelson that you withdrew from or does

0:24:17.240 --> 0:24:19.399
<v Speaker 2>that is that part of the one ninety nine. I

0:24:19.440 --> 0:24:19.920
<v Speaker 2>don't know.

0:24:20.440 --> 0:24:22.480
<v Speaker 1>I'd have to look back. I think it's one ninety nine,

0:24:22.520 --> 0:24:25.080
<v Speaker 1>though it's a it's an interesting number. People people ask

0:24:25.119 --> 0:24:27.400
<v Speaker 1>me if I'm going to go back and try one more, just.

0:24:27.440 --> 0:24:29.800
<v Speaker 2>What just what you can get it now? You can

0:24:29.800 --> 0:24:33.880
<v Speaker 2>get an exception probably in play play one more over

0:24:33.960 --> 0:24:39.359
<v Speaker 2>thirteen seasons. What do you consider to be the highlight

0:24:40.119 --> 0:24:44.040
<v Speaker 2>of your professional golfing career? Oh?

0:24:44.160 --> 0:24:46.119
<v Speaker 1>Professional, there wasn't many highlights.

0:24:47.040 --> 0:24:48.680
<v Speaker 2>You know, well do it? First off, let me say

0:24:48.720 --> 0:24:51.439
<v Speaker 2>this because I mean you've hinted at it, but but

0:24:51.520 --> 0:24:54.159
<v Speaker 2>let me get the stat right. In two thousand and

0:24:54.200 --> 0:25:01.119
<v Speaker 2>seven you won three us GA tournaments, only the third

0:25:01.680 --> 0:25:06.440
<v Speaker 2>player to ever do that after j segual Great and

0:25:07.080 --> 0:25:12.160
<v Speaker 2>Bobby freaking Jones. I mean that is uh, I mean,

0:25:12.160 --> 0:25:16.080
<v Speaker 2>that is a huge accomplishment. And you know, as I

0:25:16.119 --> 0:25:20.320
<v Speaker 2>indicated before, like you were on a trajectory you know,

0:25:20.560 --> 0:25:23.639
<v Speaker 2>to be to be one of the top five players

0:25:23.640 --> 0:25:26.920
<v Speaker 2>in the world. Probably, Yeah, that was kind of my thought.

0:25:27.320 --> 0:25:32.680
<v Speaker 2>At least that was your initial plan. Yeah, but things changed.

0:25:32.720 --> 0:25:35.720
<v Speaker 1>Maucks, as they say in Varsity Bluz, you know, highly

0:25:35.720 --> 0:25:39.159
<v Speaker 1>of the professional career. I would probably say the Players

0:25:39.240 --> 0:25:42.280
<v Speaker 1>Championship the year I finished third, shooting sixty three on

0:25:42.440 --> 0:25:45.000
<v Speaker 1>Friday there with a bogie on the last. By the way,

0:25:45.320 --> 0:25:47.800
<v Speaker 1>your man, Charlie Hoffman, no one had ever been ten

0:25:47.880 --> 0:25:51.160
<v Speaker 1>under part through seventeen holes at any point at tpcsaw Grass.

0:25:51.160 --> 0:25:54.480
<v Speaker 1>I'm ten under through seventeen. I three put eighteen to

0:25:54.600 --> 0:25:56.760
<v Speaker 1>tie the course record. And I'm a golf junkie, so

0:25:56.760 --> 0:25:59.040
<v Speaker 1>I knew exactly what my little three and a half

0:25:59.040 --> 0:26:00.000
<v Speaker 1>footer for sixty two.

0:26:00.040 --> 0:26:01.720
<v Speaker 2>Who meant, oh you did?

0:26:02.200 --> 0:26:05.359
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, Perc. I'm a golf nut. I know all

0:26:05.440 --> 0:26:08.120
<v Speaker 1>the all the numbers. But the first text I got

0:26:08.119 --> 0:26:11.000
<v Speaker 1>after shooting sixty three on Friday was from the Seagull,

0:26:11.400 --> 0:26:16.480
<v Speaker 1>Charlie Hoffin saying, nice three puts. I mean, just it's

0:26:16.600 --> 0:26:19.880
<v Speaker 1>just so typical he is. He is one of my

0:26:19.920 --> 0:26:23.640
<v Speaker 1>favorite people. Nobody has a more fitting nickname than the Seagull.

0:26:24.240 --> 0:26:26.560
<v Speaker 1>We were in Atlanta a few weeks ago. CBS was

0:26:26.600 --> 0:26:29.200
<v Speaker 1>covering the Tour Championship for the first time, and I'm

0:26:29.240 --> 0:26:30.760
<v Speaker 1>on the range and they showed me on the range

0:26:30.760 --> 0:26:33.480
<v Speaker 1>talking to Roy McRoy. Get a text from Charlie glad

0:26:33.480 --> 0:26:35.359
<v Speaker 1>to see you finally made it to the Tour Championship.

0:26:38.760 --> 0:26:43.680
<v Speaker 2>He is special. You know. My researchers, by the way,

0:26:44.119 --> 0:26:46.680
<v Speaker 2>told me about you finally making it to the Masters.

0:26:46.760 --> 0:26:49.320
<v Speaker 2>I mean that I don't think they were They were

0:26:50.080 --> 0:26:52.560
<v Speaker 2>making fun as much as just pointing that out to me.

0:26:53.320 --> 0:26:57.560
<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, he is a butte. He is something. Yeah,

0:26:57.600 --> 0:27:00.760
<v Speaker 2>he is a butte. Yeah. Third at the play that's

0:27:00.800 --> 0:27:02.639
<v Speaker 2>a big deal. Do you are you still tied for

0:27:02.680 --> 0:27:03.639
<v Speaker 2>the course record?

0:27:04.000 --> 0:27:08.439
<v Speaker 1>No, Unfortunately, Tom Hogy shot sixty two last year and

0:27:08.480 --> 0:27:11.159
<v Speaker 1>now he holds it alone right now.

0:27:11.160 --> 0:27:14.800
<v Speaker 2>I got nothing seconds. Not bad. Well, you still won

0:27:15.359 --> 0:27:18.679
<v Speaker 2>three USGA events in two thousand and seven. Let me

0:27:18.720 --> 0:27:22.200
<v Speaker 2>ask you this, do you think, well you brought up Tiger,

0:27:22.280 --> 0:27:25.760
<v Speaker 2>I mean that he's like the obvious go to guy.

0:27:25.800 --> 0:27:29.200
<v Speaker 2>Do you believe or do you know, because you've obviously

0:27:29.280 --> 0:27:31.640
<v Speaker 2>spoken to him quite a bit, do you think he

0:27:31.720 --> 0:27:35.399
<v Speaker 2>has those things in his head? Probably not.

0:27:36.119 --> 0:27:38.880
<v Speaker 1>I mean he's so ridiculous. I mean, he's not even human.

0:27:38.920 --> 0:27:40.960
<v Speaker 1>I mean, the things he's done, I mean it's crazy

0:27:41.040 --> 0:27:45.080
<v Speaker 1>looking at you know, like historical records and like crazy

0:27:45.119 --> 0:27:47.560
<v Speaker 1>streaks and everything, and every single one of them's Tiger.

0:27:47.920 --> 0:27:50.160
<v Speaker 1>I mean, he was just so much better than everyone else.

0:27:50.240 --> 0:27:52.840
<v Speaker 1>I don't now. I know he is a golf nerd,

0:27:53.160 --> 0:27:55.760
<v Speaker 1>and he knows who has the course record here, low

0:27:55.760 --> 0:27:58.240
<v Speaker 1>a score of all time here, So yeah, he definitely

0:27:58.320 --> 0:28:00.440
<v Speaker 1>is aware of it. But when he's out there, he's

0:28:00.440 --> 0:28:03.360
<v Speaker 1>so strong mentally compared to me, he ain't thinking about

0:28:03.400 --> 0:28:04.320
<v Speaker 1>that stuff.

0:28:04.280 --> 0:28:08.240
<v Speaker 2>Right, Well, I wonder. I mean people say, and look,

0:28:08.359 --> 0:28:13.439
<v Speaker 2>I fully admit that I'm a mental midget, but people say,

0:28:14.600 --> 0:28:18.920
<v Speaker 2>when you're when you're playing, just concentrate on the shot

0:28:18.960 --> 0:28:23.280
<v Speaker 2>ahead totally right, like leave everything behind. But people are

0:28:23.320 --> 0:28:27.639
<v Speaker 2>like they don't, don't think about your score. That's I don't.

0:28:28.000 --> 0:28:29.679
<v Speaker 2>I mean, who's not doing that?

0:28:30.240 --> 0:28:32.320
<v Speaker 1>But right I know, I know what everybody in my

0:28:32.440 --> 0:28:35.880
<v Speaker 1>group is at, of course, like I know everything that's

0:28:35.920 --> 0:28:39.520
<v Speaker 1>going on, of course, So I don't. Really I think

0:28:39.560 --> 0:28:42.560
<v Speaker 1>that's impossible. Like I know exactly how many underpar or

0:28:42.560 --> 0:28:44.880
<v Speaker 1>how many overpar I am every single time I've teed

0:28:44.880 --> 0:28:47.760
<v Speaker 1>the golf ball up my entire life, So that's pretty

0:28:47.800 --> 0:28:49.440
<v Speaker 1>much impossible. When someone gets done and be like, oh,

0:28:49.480 --> 0:28:51.280
<v Speaker 1>what I shoot today, I'm like, dude, you know, damn

0:28:51.280 --> 0:28:52.520
<v Speaker 1>well when you shot today.

0:28:52.760 --> 0:28:55.680
<v Speaker 2>You know what? I just thought of something. I just

0:28:55.760 --> 0:29:00.880
<v Speaker 2>thought of something. My best round ever. I actually lost track.

0:29:01.480 --> 0:29:06.600
<v Speaker 2>I didn't lose track, but I forgot where I was

0:29:07.160 --> 0:29:11.480
<v Speaker 2>because I was on this day, on this weird day,

0:29:12.280 --> 0:29:16.360
<v Speaker 2>I had gone under on the front and the idea

0:29:16.400 --> 0:29:19.600
<v Speaker 2>of a minus on one side didn't compute to me,

0:29:20.320 --> 0:29:24.640
<v Speaker 2>and I lost track and had and the course was

0:29:24.680 --> 0:29:27.480
<v Speaker 2>a part seventy one, and so I had about a

0:29:27.640 --> 0:29:34.040
<v Speaker 2>five footer for seventy one really and and didn't make it.

0:29:34.240 --> 0:29:38.160
<v Speaker 2>How long was you put for seventy two? But I

0:29:38.160 --> 0:29:40.000
<v Speaker 2>I made the one from seventy two. I was putting

0:29:40.040 --> 0:29:43.600
<v Speaker 2>well that day, but I was thinking it was just

0:29:43.760 --> 0:29:46.000
<v Speaker 2>it was still for one over. You know, I lost

0:29:46.040 --> 0:29:48.360
<v Speaker 2>track of where I was, But I don't I don't know.

0:29:48.720 --> 0:29:50.560
<v Speaker 2>That's only because I lost track. It wasn't like I

0:29:50.600 --> 0:29:51.640
<v Speaker 2>wasn't thinking about it.

0:29:52.200 --> 0:29:54.160
<v Speaker 1>I just think pro golfers in general, I mean, they're

0:29:54.240 --> 0:29:56.320
<v Speaker 1>really really good, and so they're normally under part.

0:29:56.360 --> 0:30:00.480
<v Speaker 2>They know exactly where they stand, yeah, at all times. Yeah.

0:30:00.720 --> 0:30:05.640
<v Speaker 2>In twenty twenty, after what I have heard you say,

0:30:05.920 --> 0:30:09.920
<v Speaker 2>is one of your favorite tournaments, the Waste Management Phoenix

0:30:10.000 --> 0:30:12.880
<v Speaker 2>Open you decide to retire? Is that about your injury?

0:30:13.160 --> 0:30:14.000
<v Speaker 2>Couldn't do it anymore.

0:30:14.480 --> 0:30:16.800
<v Speaker 1>So that was the end of my major medical and

0:30:16.840 --> 0:30:18.480
<v Speaker 1>so that's kind of going back to what I said

0:30:18.520 --> 0:30:21.320
<v Speaker 1>about going back and forth between corn Ferry and PGA Tour.

0:30:22.040 --> 0:30:24.800
<v Speaker 1>So I had two decisions, either I do something else

0:30:24.800 --> 0:30:26.280
<v Speaker 1>in my life or I go back to the corn

0:30:26.320 --> 0:30:28.640
<v Speaker 1>Ferry Tour. And I was thirty five years old, and

0:30:28.960 --> 0:30:30.800
<v Speaker 1>I think I'd been out on the PGA Tour for

0:30:31.080 --> 0:30:33.320
<v Speaker 1>six seven straight years something like that, and I was like,

0:30:33.360 --> 0:30:35.959
<v Speaker 1>I don't think I can go back and do it,

0:30:36.000 --> 0:30:39.080
<v Speaker 1>Like I have the opportunity with Serious XM do a

0:30:39.080 --> 0:30:40.680
<v Speaker 1>show three days a week. I was like, I can

0:30:40.720 --> 0:30:43.120
<v Speaker 1>make I could finish top ten on the corn Ferry

0:30:43.120 --> 0:30:45.280
<v Speaker 1>money lest sitting in my office talking about golf three

0:30:45.360 --> 0:30:48.720
<v Speaker 1>days a week and don't have to stress about making

0:30:48.720 --> 0:30:51.040
<v Speaker 1>cuts or beating these young and hungary twenty two year

0:30:51.080 --> 0:30:54.520
<v Speaker 1>old kids. So I'd done some work for CBS and

0:30:54.560 --> 0:30:56.760
<v Speaker 1>Golf Channel at the time, and they reached out and

0:30:56.800 --> 0:30:58.920
<v Speaker 1>I was like, you know, I think I think it's time.

0:30:58.960 --> 0:31:01.440
<v Speaker 1>I think it's time for me to go try something else.

0:31:01.840 --> 0:31:04.320
<v Speaker 1>I love talking about the game of golf. I love

0:31:04.440 --> 0:31:07.520
<v Speaker 1>being at golf tournaments, and this gave me the best

0:31:07.520 --> 0:31:09.120
<v Speaker 1>of both worlds, Like I still got to travel with

0:31:09.160 --> 0:31:12.000
<v Speaker 1>the PGA Tour, be out there in the action and

0:31:12.080 --> 0:31:13.760
<v Speaker 1>talk about the game I love. I was like, I'm

0:31:14.000 --> 0:31:15.960
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna give this a go. I can always go

0:31:16.080 --> 0:31:17.960
<v Speaker 1>back and try to go to Q School and play

0:31:17.960 --> 0:31:21.200
<v Speaker 1>the Corn Ferry Tour or something like that. But you know,

0:31:21.280 --> 0:31:24.000
<v Speaker 1>I don't know if this opportunity with CBS Golf Channel

0:31:24.040 --> 0:31:26.600
<v Speaker 1>all that will always be there. So I decided to

0:31:26.600 --> 0:31:28.880
<v Speaker 1>take a little bit of a risk and went and

0:31:28.880 --> 0:31:30.640
<v Speaker 1>got into the media world. It's weird to say that

0:31:30.680 --> 0:31:33.400
<v Speaker 1>I'm part of the media, but man, am I having

0:31:33.440 --> 0:31:34.080
<v Speaker 1>some fun with it?

0:31:34.480 --> 0:31:37.080
<v Speaker 2>Yeah? All right, Well, before we talk about that, I

0:31:37.080 --> 0:31:39.920
<v Speaker 2>got to ask you, do you miss playing competitively?

0:31:40.400 --> 0:31:43.000
<v Speaker 1>I think you'll always Anybody that does it for a

0:31:43.040 --> 0:31:46.280
<v Speaker 1>long time will always miss it. Like I miss tuesdays,

0:31:46.280 --> 0:31:48.640
<v Speaker 1>trash talking in money games with the guys out there,

0:31:49.080 --> 0:31:52.400
<v Speaker 1>that feeling of like you're gonna throw up over every

0:31:52.400 --> 0:31:55.520
<v Speaker 1>shot when you're in contention on Sunday, Like you can't

0:31:55.560 --> 0:31:59.320
<v Speaker 1>ever replicate that in everyday life, so you'll always miss that.

0:31:59.600 --> 0:32:02.160
<v Speaker 1>But at the same time, with the direction golf is gone

0:32:02.200 --> 0:32:05.000
<v Speaker 1>where everyone smashes it and it's all about fitness and

0:32:05.080 --> 0:32:07.240
<v Speaker 1>you got to carry it three twenty or you don't

0:32:07.240 --> 0:32:09.480
<v Speaker 1>have a chance in seeing the best players in the

0:32:09.480 --> 0:32:12.360
<v Speaker 1>world up close and personal every single week like I do. Now,

0:32:12.840 --> 0:32:15.160
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, I have no business being out here playing

0:32:15.160 --> 0:32:19.200
<v Speaker 1>against these guys. So yeah, party, you will always miss

0:32:19.240 --> 0:32:22.280
<v Speaker 1>the competition part, no doubt. But I've never been happier

0:32:22.280 --> 0:32:23.760
<v Speaker 1>in my life than I am right now.

0:32:23.840 --> 0:32:24.960
<v Speaker 2>How often do you play now?

0:32:25.560 --> 0:32:27.840
<v Speaker 1>It depends during the season, Like I hate traveling with

0:32:27.840 --> 0:32:31.440
<v Speaker 1>my clubs because they're paying lugging around. No, it's the worst,

0:32:31.480 --> 0:32:33.520
<v Speaker 1>you know, So I don't play a lot. But now

0:32:33.520 --> 0:32:35.680
<v Speaker 1>that we're finished, like I normally play three days a

0:32:35.720 --> 0:32:37.240
<v Speaker 1>week and only Thursday, Friday, Saturday.

0:32:37.880 --> 0:32:42.280
<v Speaker 2>So you play three days walking of course.

0:32:43.600 --> 0:32:45.280
<v Speaker 1>Off from my cart to my ball.

0:32:45.600 --> 0:32:49.680
<v Speaker 2>Yes, in the season, and if it's cart path only,

0:32:49.760 --> 0:32:50.960
<v Speaker 2>you don't. You don't.

0:32:51.000 --> 0:32:55.080
<v Speaker 1>Plus see here in Arizona we oversee in October and

0:32:55.120 --> 0:32:57.880
<v Speaker 1>so it's carts on path only until like January one,

0:32:57.920 --> 0:32:59.920
<v Speaker 1>and it is the worst. I mean, you might as

0:33:00.080 --> 0:33:02.400
<v Speaker 1>well just walk. Yeah, they keep the carts on the

0:33:02.400 --> 0:33:04.520
<v Speaker 1>path for a long time around her, just because it's

0:33:04.560 --> 0:33:07.880
<v Speaker 1>so busy January through May. They want their golf courses

0:33:07.920 --> 0:33:10.640
<v Speaker 1>really green and pretty. So that's my least favorite time

0:33:10.640 --> 0:33:12.080
<v Speaker 1>of the year. One the ball doesn't roll, so my

0:33:12.160 --> 0:33:14.480
<v Speaker 1>drives go even shorter, and then you have to walk

0:33:14.760 --> 0:33:16.560
<v Speaker 1>like one hundred yards from the car path to your ball.

0:33:16.840 --> 0:33:22.440
<v Speaker 2>Sucks. Yeah, I hear you. You have been described by

0:33:22.520 --> 0:33:28.920
<v Speaker 2>me as the Charles Barkley of golf. Why do you

0:33:29.160 --> 0:33:31.920
<v Speaker 2>think And first I want to talk about your role

0:33:31.960 --> 0:33:37.640
<v Speaker 2>with CBS lead on course analyst.

0:33:38.400 --> 0:33:41.320
<v Speaker 1>That's Dottie. That's Dottie. She's got the lead term.

0:33:41.480 --> 0:33:44.400
<v Speaker 2>I'm just on course analyst.

0:33:44.800 --> 0:33:47.080
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, on course would be fair, on course yeah, on

0:33:47.160 --> 0:33:48.640
<v Speaker 1>course reporter analyst.

0:33:48.640 --> 0:33:54.240
<v Speaker 2>On course Yeah. But I feel like they're doing some

0:33:54.360 --> 0:34:01.080
<v Speaker 2>really fun new stuff with you that is ultimate great

0:34:01.120 --> 0:34:04.520
<v Speaker 2>for the game of golf. I'll bring up you at

0:34:05.040 --> 0:34:08.880
<v Speaker 2>the Waste Management Phoenix Open on the sixteenth hole there

0:34:09.040 --> 0:34:10.920
<v Speaker 2>and the work that you've done the last couple of

0:34:10.960 --> 0:34:13.760
<v Speaker 2>years from there, Why do you think that this work

0:34:14.120 --> 0:34:14.640
<v Speaker 2>suits you?

0:34:15.560 --> 0:34:17.879
<v Speaker 1>That's a great question. You know, I never had any

0:34:17.920 --> 0:34:20.640
<v Speaker 1>plans of getting into this. I recently learned in the

0:34:20.719 --> 0:34:22.600
<v Speaker 1>last couple of years, my mom told me that I

0:34:22.640 --> 0:34:24.279
<v Speaker 1>would sit when I was a young kid and act

0:34:24.320 --> 0:34:27.640
<v Speaker 1>like a broadcaster during all the sporting sports. That was

0:34:27.960 --> 0:34:30.840
<v Speaker 1>interesting to hear. That's something I never knew. You know,

0:34:30.880 --> 0:34:34.360
<v Speaker 1>I'm a student of the game. I obviously played at

0:34:34.400 --> 0:34:36.840
<v Speaker 1>a very high level for a long time. I know

0:34:36.960 --> 0:34:39.360
<v Speaker 1>the guys so well. Like I mean, I'm just recently retired.

0:34:39.560 --> 0:34:41.000
<v Speaker 1>The best players in the world are still some of

0:34:41.000 --> 0:34:43.600
<v Speaker 1>my very good friends, and so I know what it's

0:34:43.640 --> 0:34:45.799
<v Speaker 1>like to be out there. But I also in the

0:34:45.800 --> 0:34:47.440
<v Speaker 1>game of golf, where a lot of people are scared

0:34:47.480 --> 0:34:48.560
<v Speaker 1>to show any personality.

0:34:48.800 --> 0:34:50.600
<v Speaker 2>I'm not right. You know.

0:34:50.640 --> 0:34:52.680
<v Speaker 1>When I got that call from CBS, I'll never forget.

0:34:52.719 --> 0:34:54.600
<v Speaker 1>I had a cast on my hand. I was probably

0:34:54.600 --> 0:34:56.160
<v Speaker 1>with you. I was laid in my hotel room, and

0:34:56.400 --> 0:34:58.400
<v Speaker 1>I wasn't with you in my hotel room. I was

0:34:58.440 --> 0:35:00.880
<v Speaker 1>in Vegas at the same time as you, but I

0:35:00.920 --> 0:35:02.279
<v Speaker 1>was laying there in bed when I got the call

0:35:02.360 --> 0:35:04.759
<v Speaker 1>from CBS, the like would you ever consider doing TV?

0:35:04.840 --> 0:35:07.880
<v Speaker 1>And I'm like, I've never even thought about it. They're like, well,

0:35:07.920 --> 0:35:09.640
<v Speaker 1>a lot of people say, You've got one of the

0:35:09.680 --> 0:35:12.560
<v Speaker 1>best personalities out there, and we're looking for guys that

0:35:12.600 --> 0:35:14.560
<v Speaker 1>were ex players to possibly do this, and I was

0:35:14.600 --> 0:35:16.880
<v Speaker 1>still trying to play at the time. So it's like, well,

0:35:16.920 --> 0:35:18.359
<v Speaker 1>that's kind of a slap in the face. They think

0:35:18.360 --> 0:35:22.200
<v Speaker 1>my career's done. But it works out. It worked out

0:35:22.200 --> 0:35:24.920
<v Speaker 1>really good. So you know, you mentioned the Charles Barkley thing,

0:35:24.920 --> 0:35:27.279
<v Speaker 1>which is the biggest compliment anyone's ever given me. By

0:35:27.320 --> 0:35:29.160
<v Speaker 1>the way, thank you for that. I think he is

0:35:29.239 --> 0:35:31.440
<v Speaker 1>the best in the business. How he makes it fun

0:35:31.800 --> 0:35:34.479
<v Speaker 1>and informative and is not scared to, you know, say

0:35:34.480 --> 0:35:36.279
<v Speaker 1>what he thinks. And that's what I try to do

0:35:36.320 --> 0:35:39.560
<v Speaker 1>with golf. Like, not everybody is a golf nerd. Not

0:35:39.640 --> 0:35:42.200
<v Speaker 1>everybody knows exactly what's going on. So like when I talk,

0:35:42.680 --> 0:35:45.000
<v Speaker 1>I want to I want the average golfer to know

0:35:45.040 --> 0:35:47.840
<v Speaker 1>exactly what I'm talking about and make it fun along

0:35:47.880 --> 0:35:49.640
<v Speaker 1>the way. Like I know it's when it's time to

0:35:49.680 --> 0:35:52.319
<v Speaker 1>be serious and stuff like that, but you know, making

0:35:52.400 --> 0:35:55.560
<v Speaker 1>jokes about myself or Frank Nabolo and even Jim nance

0:35:55.640 --> 0:35:57.920
<v Speaker 1>having fun with those guys. I mean, it's a show.

0:35:58.080 --> 0:36:00.000
<v Speaker 1>I mean, you know you're in the entertainment world.

0:36:00.760 --> 0:36:04.000
<v Speaker 2>That's exactly right. And here's what here's what I think.

0:36:04.239 --> 0:36:06.799
<v Speaker 2>I mean I already gave you a compliment, but I'm

0:36:06.840 --> 0:36:09.719
<v Speaker 2>gonna I'm gonna explain what I mean, you know. I mean,

0:36:09.760 --> 0:36:12.120
<v Speaker 2>you bring up the fact that you're recently retired, and

0:36:12.160 --> 0:36:14.439
<v Speaker 2>you know a lot of the guys, well, that could

0:36:14.440 --> 0:36:19.200
<v Speaker 2>be true of dozens of players. Let's be honest. I

0:36:19.239 --> 0:36:24.279
<v Speaker 2>think what makes you so refreshing is one you're not

0:36:24.360 --> 0:36:28.000
<v Speaker 2>afraid to have fun in a game that let's face it,

0:36:28.560 --> 0:36:33.040
<v Speaker 2>there are times where I believe and you maybe can't

0:36:33.080 --> 0:36:36.600
<v Speaker 2>say this anymore, but I'll be happy to where the

0:36:36.600 --> 0:36:39.360
<v Speaker 2>PGA Tour at times tries to make it the no

0:36:39.520 --> 0:36:43.000
<v Speaker 2>fun league, and that's what they call the NFL at times,

0:36:43.000 --> 0:36:46.960
<v Speaker 2>but you know, takes itself just a little too seriously.

0:36:47.040 --> 0:36:49.400
<v Speaker 2>And I'm a guy who loves golf, you know, just

0:36:49.520 --> 0:36:54.280
<v Speaker 2>like you, and I think that you have a way

0:36:54.600 --> 0:36:57.799
<v Speaker 2>of explaining to the average golfer what's going on, and

0:36:57.840 --> 0:37:01.760
<v Speaker 2>the not so average golfer what's going on. You're respectful

0:37:02.160 --> 0:37:07.560
<v Speaker 2>of players, but it's not precious, and I think that's

0:37:07.680 --> 0:37:13.600
<v Speaker 2>what people are tired of in the golf world specifically,

0:37:13.680 --> 0:37:17.800
<v Speaker 2>probably all sports. But when it gets a little too precious,

0:37:18.080 --> 0:37:21.360
<v Speaker 2>it's a turnoff, to be honest, and I feel like

0:37:21.400 --> 0:37:24.879
<v Speaker 2>that you have brought a renewed energy behind the broadcast

0:37:25.440 --> 0:37:31.279
<v Speaker 2>where you're telling the story of what's going on on

0:37:31.400 --> 0:37:34.840
<v Speaker 2>that day, but also giving us enough backstory to have

0:37:34.920 --> 0:37:37.799
<v Speaker 2>it mean just a little bit more and have it

0:37:37.840 --> 0:37:40.480
<v Speaker 2>be a little more personal for all of us.

0:37:40.760 --> 0:37:44.360
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, like you said, it's like I have no control

0:37:44.400 --> 0:37:46.239
<v Speaker 1>over what happens on the golf course out there, Like

0:37:46.320 --> 0:37:49.400
<v Speaker 1>my job is to inform the viewer, and if I

0:37:49.400 --> 0:37:51.040
<v Speaker 1>can have some fun along the way, like that's what

0:37:51.080 --> 0:37:53.240
<v Speaker 1>I want to do. Like I pay attention to everything

0:37:53.280 --> 0:37:54.960
<v Speaker 1>that's going on in the world up to date on

0:37:55.000 --> 0:37:56.879
<v Speaker 1>curt events, I know where I'm at, Like I love

0:37:56.920 --> 0:37:59.560
<v Speaker 1>taking shots at other football teams around the world if

0:37:59.560 --> 0:38:01.760
<v Speaker 1>we're in there city and stuff like that and bringing

0:38:01.800 --> 0:38:04.640
<v Speaker 1>them in and then getting Twitter all riled up. It's

0:38:04.719 --> 0:38:07.640
<v Speaker 1>just so much fun. But I also know, like if

0:38:07.640 --> 0:38:10.920
<v Speaker 1>a guy hits a ridiculous shot, like I appreciate it

0:38:10.960 --> 0:38:12.880
<v Speaker 1>and I can describe to the you're at home, like

0:38:13.239 --> 0:38:14.799
<v Speaker 1>how difficult that was?

0:38:15.239 --> 0:38:15.400
<v Speaker 2>You know.

0:38:15.440 --> 0:38:17.840
<v Speaker 1>I use the example just to make fun of myself.

0:38:17.840 --> 0:38:20.600
<v Speaker 1>Like we're at sixteen at Mirefield Village up in Columbus

0:38:20.640 --> 0:38:23.000
<v Speaker 1>Jack Nicholas's tournament and they had this pin tucked over water.

0:38:23.239 --> 0:38:25.040
<v Speaker 1>It was an impossible pin. And I said, this whole

0:38:25.080 --> 0:38:27.880
<v Speaker 1>location looks about as inviting as one of those gem signs,

0:38:28.640 --> 0:38:30.520
<v Speaker 1>and people just they think about it in a second,

0:38:30.520 --> 0:38:33.000
<v Speaker 1>They're like, oh, I get it, Like you don't want

0:38:33.040 --> 0:38:35.000
<v Speaker 1>any part of that. And I'm like, exactly, like you

0:38:35.160 --> 0:38:37.600
<v Speaker 1>just ignore this whole location, shoot out to the right

0:38:37.640 --> 0:38:39.839
<v Speaker 1>and move on with it. But you know, you can

0:38:39.880 --> 0:38:42.279
<v Speaker 1>be serious, but just have some fun with it. And

0:38:42.640 --> 0:38:44.600
<v Speaker 1>you said you mentioned energy, and like that's what I

0:38:44.680 --> 0:38:46.880
<v Speaker 1>tell everyone at CBS, like the one thing you can

0:38:46.920 --> 0:38:49.200
<v Speaker 1>always count on me for every day when I show

0:38:49.239 --> 0:38:51.080
<v Speaker 1>up to the compound, whether I'm having a terrible day

0:38:51.120 --> 0:38:52.880
<v Speaker 1>or a great day, Like I'm going to bring the energy.

0:38:53.360 --> 0:38:56.080
<v Speaker 1>And I can tell like when when I'm on the

0:38:56.080 --> 0:38:58.880
<v Speaker 1>broadcast first when I'm off the difference in the energy.

0:38:59.320 --> 0:39:01.560
<v Speaker 1>Everyone on that podcast knows they can poke fun at

0:39:01.560 --> 0:39:03.719
<v Speaker 1>me or say something creative to me, and I'll give

0:39:03.719 --> 0:39:05.759
<v Speaker 1>it right back to them or I'll roll with it.

0:39:06.120 --> 0:39:08.440
<v Speaker 1>And so I think we're heading in the right direction,

0:39:08.520 --> 0:39:11.319
<v Speaker 1>which is which is good news because like, let's be honest,

0:39:11.320 --> 0:39:12.280
<v Speaker 1>golf can be very boring.

0:39:13.000 --> 0:39:13.560
<v Speaker 2>There's no doubt.

0:39:13.600 --> 0:39:15.440
<v Speaker 1>I mean, the old adage I turn on the golf

0:39:15.440 --> 0:39:18.400
<v Speaker 1>to take a nap. As a broadcaster, that's very insulting.

0:39:18.600 --> 0:39:20.120
<v Speaker 1>I don't want you think an I just want to

0:39:20.160 --> 0:39:21.640
<v Speaker 1>scream wake up out there every once in a.

0:39:21.640 --> 0:39:26.040
<v Speaker 2>While, right right, right, No, I know it's fair, it's

0:39:26.120 --> 0:39:29.200
<v Speaker 2>very funny. This is I don't know if I've ever

0:39:29.320 --> 0:39:32.560
<v Speaker 2>said these words before, but you know, we I hear

0:39:32.640 --> 0:39:34.600
<v Speaker 2>a lot. Not to make this about me, but about

0:39:34.719 --> 0:39:37.600
<v Speaker 2>the office and the number of people that say I

0:39:37.680 --> 0:39:42.799
<v Speaker 2>put it on every night to go to bed. Thanks oh.

0:39:43.480 --> 0:40:05.200
<v Speaker 2>In a second Full Swing documentary that Netflix did about

0:40:05.239 --> 0:40:08.719
<v Speaker 2>the PGA Tour, you a fan. I thought it was.

0:40:08.719 --> 0:40:10.680
<v Speaker 1>Great for the game of golf. They did a great

0:40:10.760 --> 0:40:13.279
<v Speaker 1>job with it for me. You know, I compare to

0:40:13.360 --> 0:40:15.160
<v Speaker 1>Drive to Survive, which was the first one of those

0:40:15.160 --> 0:40:17.400
<v Speaker 1>that was a massive hit. Like, I knew nothing about

0:40:17.480 --> 0:40:20.720
<v Speaker 1>F one, so when I watched it, I was fascinated golf,

0:40:20.840 --> 0:40:22.160
<v Speaker 1>Like I knew all this. I didn't need to know

0:40:22.160 --> 0:40:24.399
<v Speaker 1>how to make a cut for you know, how many

0:40:24.440 --> 0:40:26.399
<v Speaker 1>people play the weekend. What a birdie, what a par

0:40:26.560 --> 0:40:28.840
<v Speaker 1>Is and all that. But I don't think that was

0:40:28.880 --> 0:40:31.400
<v Speaker 1>made for me, the guy who lives and dies with

0:40:31.440 --> 0:40:33.799
<v Speaker 1>the game of golf. So for the people at home

0:40:33.880 --> 0:40:36.440
<v Speaker 1>to bring more people into the game. It was fantastic

0:40:36.480 --> 0:40:38.799
<v Speaker 1>and the numbers have shown them, like the viewership at

0:40:38.840 --> 0:40:41.080
<v Speaker 1>PGA Tour events is up, the number of people that

0:40:41.160 --> 0:40:44.239
<v Speaker 1>follow golfers on social media, and the people that tune

0:40:44.280 --> 0:40:47.040
<v Speaker 1>in like it's great. So it's done great things. My

0:40:47.160 --> 0:40:49.160
<v Speaker 1>one thing, and I've told Chad Mum, this is like

0:40:49.640 --> 0:40:51.640
<v Speaker 1>they showed all the guys getting on the private jets

0:40:51.680 --> 0:40:54.279
<v Speaker 1>going tournament to tournament, Like, let's follow the guys that

0:40:54.480 --> 0:40:56.560
<v Speaker 1>grind it out to make a cut every week and

0:40:56.600 --> 0:40:58.719
<v Speaker 1>are grinding to keep their tour card every single year.

0:40:58.760 --> 0:41:02.080
<v Speaker 2>Like I find that part fast. Yes, well, you know

0:41:02.320 --> 0:41:06.160
<v Speaker 2>I talked to Charlie about this as well. Figala though.

0:41:06.600 --> 0:41:10.640
<v Speaker 2>I mean that story, that episode there, I mean, it

0:41:11.200 --> 0:41:15.480
<v Speaker 2>has to have given him thousands, if not millions, of

0:41:15.600 --> 0:41:19.920
<v Speaker 2>more fans. It was such an engaging story and you know,

0:41:19.960 --> 0:41:24.439
<v Speaker 2>he just won. And I mean, look, it's great when

0:41:24.480 --> 0:41:29.319
<v Speaker 2>you have a young player come out, play amazing and

0:41:29.360 --> 0:41:33.920
<v Speaker 2>win a tournament. And if we know about those players,

0:41:34.080 --> 0:41:37.000
<v Speaker 2>or we want to know about those players, that's what

0:41:37.160 --> 0:41:39.000
<v Speaker 2>makes it especially special.

0:41:39.520 --> 0:41:41.279
<v Speaker 1>It was huge for him. I thought it was huge.

0:41:41.360 --> 0:41:43.640
<v Speaker 1>I mean, look what Joel Damon like Joel Damon became

0:41:44.040 --> 0:41:46.560
<v Speaker 1>all of a sudden this fan favorite because of his personality.

0:41:46.680 --> 0:41:49.719
<v Speaker 1>His caddy, Gina was all over the episode that he's

0:41:49.719 --> 0:41:53.359
<v Speaker 1>out there signing freaking autographs. What are we doing? But

0:41:53.400 --> 0:41:55.319
<v Speaker 1>it shows you. I mean, that kind of exposure when

0:41:55.360 --> 0:41:58.200
<v Speaker 1>you get on Netflix is awesome. I can't Season two,

0:41:58.280 --> 0:42:00.480
<v Speaker 1>I think will be even better because they are learned

0:42:00.480 --> 0:42:02.160
<v Speaker 1>a lot from season one. They're like, Okay, we can

0:42:02.200 --> 0:42:04.839
<v Speaker 1>go this route and make it even better. But it

0:42:04.880 --> 0:42:07.279
<v Speaker 1>is terrifying being out there every single week because you

0:42:07.320 --> 0:42:09.400
<v Speaker 1>don't know who's miked up and who's not, so you

0:42:09.400 --> 0:42:11.160
<v Speaker 1>gotta be very careful with what you say. I made

0:42:11.200 --> 0:42:13.960
<v Speaker 1>a comment to Maxima's caddy, Joe Grinder day. He just

0:42:14.000 --> 0:42:16.319
<v Speaker 1>starts laughing, and I go, you're miked up right now?

0:42:16.960 --> 0:42:18.080
<v Speaker 2>Yep. I'm like, damn it.

0:42:18.880 --> 0:42:21.719
<v Speaker 1>Guys like delete that looked for the guys.

0:42:22.880 --> 0:42:26.319
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, I think it's great, and I mean it's

0:42:26.840 --> 0:42:29.240
<v Speaker 2>I mean, it shows what a nerd you are, because yeah,

0:42:29.320 --> 0:42:32.959
<v Speaker 2>I just gave the stats out forty two percent people

0:42:33.080 --> 0:42:36.359
<v Speaker 2>are watching more golf and thirty seven percent people are

0:42:36.520 --> 0:42:42.360
<v Speaker 2>following and searching et cetera players and golf on social

0:42:42.400 --> 0:42:44.640
<v Speaker 2>media sites. I think it's done a lot to grow

0:42:44.680 --> 0:42:50.120
<v Speaker 2>the game as well as the little thing called COVID

0:42:50.440 --> 0:42:54.719
<v Speaker 2>that happened. You know, it got more people playing and

0:42:54.800 --> 0:43:00.479
<v Speaker 2>so they're too four with more people following the best

0:43:00.480 --> 0:43:07.880
<v Speaker 2>players in the world live. Good for the game of golf.

0:43:08.560 --> 0:43:12.239
<v Speaker 1>Or no, it's been a disruptor obviously, and I think

0:43:12.280 --> 0:43:15.600
<v Speaker 1>it's that I think it brought I mean, like you

0:43:15.640 --> 0:43:18.279
<v Speaker 1>mentioned COVID, Like the only thing I think good that

0:43:18.320 --> 0:43:20.600
<v Speaker 1>came out of COVID was golf. I mean, the numbers

0:43:20.640 --> 0:43:23.279
<v Speaker 1>went nuts because we're all going stir crazy and wanted

0:43:23.280 --> 0:43:24.600
<v Speaker 1>to get out on the golf course, and so it

0:43:24.600 --> 0:43:26.879
<v Speaker 1>brought a lot of new people to the game live.

0:43:27.280 --> 0:43:30.080
<v Speaker 1>It's been a topic of conversation on every outlook right,

0:43:30.120 --> 0:43:33.960
<v Speaker 1>whether it's CNN, Fox News, Good Morning America, I mean,

0:43:34.000 --> 0:43:37.400
<v Speaker 1>the local coffee shop whatever. Like golf's being talked about

0:43:37.440 --> 0:43:39.799
<v Speaker 1>more than it ever has. So as far as attentionionalise,

0:43:39.880 --> 0:43:43.239
<v Speaker 1>it's great, but it's not all the best attention. I'm

0:43:43.280 --> 0:43:45.680
<v Speaker 1>not a fan of it, you know, I'm not crazy

0:43:45.680 --> 0:43:49.200
<v Speaker 1>about the problem at Yeah. Yeah, and I'm honest about that,

0:43:49.239 --> 0:43:52.080
<v Speaker 1>but it's it's not for me. I'm a traditional golf guy,

0:43:52.120 --> 0:43:55.520
<v Speaker 1>like I appreciate as a guy that struggled and grinded

0:43:55.600 --> 0:43:57.200
<v Speaker 1>out to make a cut every week. Like the cut

0:43:57.239 --> 0:43:59.439
<v Speaker 1>is a big part of the game. And you asked

0:43:59.480 --> 0:44:02.080
<v Speaker 1>Tiger what he his greatest you know record he holds

0:44:02.120 --> 0:44:04.200
<v Speaker 1>is it's the consecutive cut streak. But I think it's

0:44:04.239 --> 0:44:06.359
<v Speaker 1>like one hundred and forty five minits in a row.

0:44:06.480 --> 0:44:09.879
<v Speaker 1>That's just insane. Considering the longest active streak right now

0:44:09.880 --> 0:44:11.800
<v Speaker 1>in the PGA Tour, I believe it's twenty five and

0:44:11.880 --> 0:44:15.960
<v Speaker 1>it's ender shot, so it's it's insane, But you know,

0:44:16.000 --> 0:44:18.160
<v Speaker 1>it's just it's not for me. Like I don't like

0:44:18.200 --> 0:44:20.239
<v Speaker 1>the shot guns start, Like I like the leaders coming

0:44:20.280 --> 0:44:22.000
<v Speaker 1>down the stretch. At the same time, I like that

0:44:22.040 --> 0:44:24.800
<v Speaker 1>guy going out there and shooting sixty three on Sunday

0:44:24.800 --> 0:44:26.720
<v Speaker 1>and posting a low score and sitting there and waiting

0:44:26.719 --> 0:44:29.000
<v Speaker 1>to see if he has a chance. But look, it's

0:44:29.000 --> 0:44:31.000
<v Speaker 1>done a lot of Like it's brought new eyeballs to

0:44:31.040 --> 0:44:33.440
<v Speaker 1>the game of golf. It's brought a lot more money

0:44:33.520 --> 0:44:36.719
<v Speaker 1>to the professional players, which is fantastic. I just never

0:44:36.760 --> 0:44:39.200
<v Speaker 1>thought I would see anything like this happen in my day.

0:44:39.920 --> 0:44:43.480
<v Speaker 2>Right, there's a lot of political issues that have to

0:44:43.520 --> 0:44:48.920
<v Speaker 2>be and should be resolved. Will the merger happen? Do

0:44:49.000 --> 0:44:49.920
<v Speaker 2>you believe.

0:44:51.600 --> 0:44:54.799
<v Speaker 1>It needs to? I think for the PGA Tour, as

0:44:54.840 --> 0:44:57.759
<v Speaker 1>we've learned, you know, they can't compete dollar for dollar

0:44:58.160 --> 0:45:01.000
<v Speaker 1>with the PIF. I mean, there's just there's no nobody can.

0:45:01.800 --> 0:45:03.200
<v Speaker 1>So if you want to do that, if you want

0:45:03.200 --> 0:45:05.080
<v Speaker 1>to try to compete with them, you're gonna lose. So

0:45:05.160 --> 0:45:07.160
<v Speaker 1>I hope there's an agreement. Like all I want is

0:45:07.160 --> 0:45:09.279
<v Speaker 1>the best players in the world to play against each

0:45:09.280 --> 0:45:10.880
<v Speaker 1>other as often as possible.

0:45:11.040 --> 0:45:13.080
<v Speaker 2>That's I mean, that's all.

0:45:12.880 --> 0:45:14.920
<v Speaker 1>I care about. Like you, you know, out on the

0:45:14.920 --> 0:45:17.960
<v Speaker 1>PGA Tour, what events have juice and what events don't.

0:45:18.040 --> 0:45:20.440
<v Speaker 1>Like you get excited when ten on the top fifteen

0:45:20.480 --> 0:45:22.640
<v Speaker 1>in the world are there. The majors are special. I

0:45:22.640 --> 0:45:24.480
<v Speaker 1>always want those guys to be there in the majors,

0:45:24.680 --> 0:45:26.840
<v Speaker 1>but I would like to see them more often. I

0:45:26.880 --> 0:45:29.960
<v Speaker 1>miss Dustin Johnson, I miss bryceon de Shambo, even Patrick Reed.

0:45:30.040 --> 0:45:32.320
<v Speaker 1>He's a disruptor, like I mean, he's he's the villain.

0:45:32.360 --> 0:45:35.359
<v Speaker 1>Brooks Koepka is just a monster. Like those guys are

0:45:35.400 --> 0:45:37.399
<v Speaker 1>great for the game of golf. I want to see

0:45:37.440 --> 0:45:40.399
<v Speaker 1>him battle in Roy mclroy justin Thomas John Rome as

0:45:40.400 --> 0:45:41.360
<v Speaker 1>often as possible.

0:45:41.840 --> 0:45:46.359
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and obviously not all of them. But as I

0:45:46.400 --> 0:45:51.640
<v Speaker 2>was talking to Charlie about this as well, like and

0:45:51.800 --> 0:45:55.520
<v Speaker 2>especially for you and your job, it's about the stories, right,

0:45:55.680 --> 0:45:59.719
<v Speaker 2>and it does feel like not all of them. And

0:46:00.200 --> 0:46:05.120
<v Speaker 2>I'm not endorsing this position. It's but a lot of

0:46:05.120 --> 0:46:10.360
<v Speaker 2>the villains left, yes, and that I think all sports

0:46:10.400 --> 0:46:15.320
<v Speaker 2>fans appreciate and want that. If the Yankees were gone,

0:46:16.080 --> 0:46:18.880
<v Speaker 2>it wouldn't be as much fun to be the Mariners

0:46:19.160 --> 0:46:22.320
<v Speaker 2>or whatever. You know what I mean. It's you want

0:46:22.360 --> 0:46:25.719
<v Speaker 2>a behemoth, or you want a personality that you can root,

0:46:26.000 --> 0:46:27.320
<v Speaker 2>you know, for or against.

0:46:28.200 --> 0:46:31.319
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I use Brooks Skepka, and he's not I mean,

0:46:31.640 --> 0:46:33.520
<v Speaker 1>you can consider him a villain if you want, whatever

0:46:33.520 --> 0:46:35.959
<v Speaker 1>it is. But like when he shows up at major championships,

0:46:36.400 --> 0:46:38.839
<v Speaker 1>you know, he's the baddest man on the planet, right,

0:46:39.000 --> 0:46:41.840
<v Speaker 1>Like it is just I remember at Beth Page. He

0:46:41.880 --> 0:46:44.600
<v Speaker 1>goes out there and shoots sixty three on Thursday at

0:46:44.600 --> 0:46:47.600
<v Speaker 1>the PGA Championship, and every single person that field goes

0:46:47.840 --> 0:46:50.480
<v Speaker 1>we're screwed because brooks Kepka just went out and took

0:46:50.520 --> 0:46:52.640
<v Speaker 1>the lead. And he's one of those guys. He's a

0:46:52.640 --> 0:46:55.720
<v Speaker 1>polarizing figure. And you talk to other players and they're

0:46:55.760 --> 0:46:57.799
<v Speaker 1>just like, they hate to admit it, but they're like,

0:46:57.880 --> 0:47:01.200
<v Speaker 1>he is a problem when it comes to me, he's

0:47:01.239 --> 0:47:03.920
<v Speaker 1>that guy, and he's he's all business. He's not going

0:47:04.000 --> 0:47:06.120
<v Speaker 1>to give you these funny quotes or anything like that.

0:47:06.400 --> 0:47:08.640
<v Speaker 1>He said, my job is to show up, take care

0:47:08.680 --> 0:47:12.120
<v Speaker 1>of business, and lift another major championship trophy onto my mannle,

0:47:12.320 --> 0:47:15.479
<v Speaker 1>and he does it at a ridiculous rate. So yeah,

0:47:15.520 --> 0:47:18.719
<v Speaker 1>there's those guys like him. Even Patrick Reed, who I mean,

0:47:19.200 --> 0:47:22.400
<v Speaker 1>you know, has had all his situations throughout the years.

0:47:22.800 --> 0:47:25.000
<v Speaker 1>I mean bryceon de Shamba when he came back and

0:47:25.080 --> 0:47:27.480
<v Speaker 1>was driving three hundred and seventy yard grades and trying

0:47:27.480 --> 0:47:29.240
<v Speaker 1>to knock it on par fives and one like, people

0:47:29.360 --> 0:47:32.200
<v Speaker 1>loved seeing that, and he was different. I think you've

0:47:32.200 --> 0:47:34.640
<v Speaker 1>got to have those guys that are different to make

0:47:34.680 --> 0:47:37.120
<v Speaker 1>the sport interesting, right I'm not.

0:47:37.080 --> 0:47:41.279
<v Speaker 2>Talking about world rankings. Who's the best golfer on the

0:47:41.280 --> 0:47:42.120
<v Speaker 2>planet right now?

0:47:43.920 --> 0:47:46.640
<v Speaker 1>That is such a tough question, but I think you've

0:47:46.680 --> 0:47:49.680
<v Speaker 1>still got to go Scotti Sheffler. His ball striking numbers

0:47:49.680 --> 0:47:51.640
<v Speaker 1>are just insane. I know he's number one in the

0:47:51.640 --> 0:47:54.880
<v Speaker 1>world statistically, but like, nobody hits the golf ball the

0:47:54.920 --> 0:47:57.560
<v Speaker 1>way Scotty Scheffler does. If he puts it all like,

0:47:57.640 --> 0:47:59.640
<v Speaker 1>he wins by one hundred and there was two turns.

0:47:59.640 --> 0:48:03.040
<v Speaker 1>He went back tournaments this year at Colonial Memorial where

0:48:03.040 --> 0:48:04.880
<v Speaker 1>he missed out on a playoff by a shot and

0:48:05.040 --> 0:48:07.600
<v Speaker 1>was dead last in the field. He barely beat you

0:48:07.800 --> 0:48:10.160
<v Speaker 1>and putting for the league and lost by a shot.

0:48:10.280 --> 0:48:11.759
<v Speaker 1>Like I'm like, all you have to do is putt

0:48:11.760 --> 0:48:14.080
<v Speaker 1>better than one person and you walk away with this thing.

0:48:14.480 --> 0:48:17.120
<v Speaker 1>That's It's just that's how terrifying it is with how

0:48:17.160 --> 0:48:19.520
<v Speaker 1>good he hits the golf ball, because if he just

0:48:19.560 --> 0:48:21.000
<v Speaker 1>makes anything, you ain't beat.

0:48:20.840 --> 0:48:23.440
<v Speaker 2>It, right, that's your answer.

0:48:23.880 --> 0:48:26.959
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, My favorite to watch, like just like one part

0:48:27.080 --> 0:48:29.960
<v Speaker 1>is Roy McElroy drive the golf ball. It's like golden

0:48:30.040 --> 0:48:32.120
<v Speaker 1>d just spin it back and spin it forward and

0:48:32.120 --> 0:48:33.840
<v Speaker 1>it goes three thirty down the middle every time.

0:48:34.520 --> 0:48:39.839
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's fun. It's an interesting time to be a

0:48:39.880 --> 0:48:43.879
<v Speaker 2>golf fan. You're right in the middle of it. What's

0:48:43.920 --> 0:48:46.719
<v Speaker 2>your favorite event to cover now, Masters?

0:48:47.040 --> 0:48:48.879
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, definitely, you know, I haven't been on the main

0:48:48.880 --> 0:48:51.200
<v Speaker 1>coverage of the Masters. I'm hoping that comes this year

0:48:51.200 --> 0:48:54.040
<v Speaker 1>in twenty twenty four. Definitely going there every year. That

0:48:54.160 --> 0:48:56.360
<v Speaker 1>is so special. But at home here, I mean it

0:48:56.400 --> 0:49:00.000
<v Speaker 1>was my last event, the WM Phoenix Open. That atmosphere

0:49:00.239 --> 0:49:01.799
<v Speaker 1>is just so cool. And when they put us down

0:49:01.800 --> 0:49:04.560
<v Speaker 1>there on sixteen on Saturday, that is just so much

0:49:04.600 --> 0:49:07.600
<v Speaker 1>fun getting involved with the crowd and it's just it's

0:49:07.640 --> 0:49:11.200
<v Speaker 1>so unique. You don't other tournaments try to replicate that

0:49:11.920 --> 0:49:15.359
<v Speaker 1>sixteen but there's only one WN Phoenix Open. It's such

0:49:15.360 --> 0:49:17.960
<v Speaker 1>a fun week. It's a party that one's hard to beat.

0:49:18.680 --> 0:49:25.160
<v Speaker 2>You have a show on Sirius XM. Gravy and the Sleeves. Yep,

0:49:25.520 --> 0:49:29.600
<v Speaker 2>your nickname, Big Gravy? How did you get your nickname?

0:49:29.680 --> 0:49:30.520
<v Speaker 2>Where to come from?

0:49:30.920 --> 0:49:34.520
<v Speaker 1>So that all happened from Steve Elkington, per former professional

0:49:34.600 --> 0:49:37.600
<v Speaker 1>golfer major champion. One day on Twitter, people are going

0:49:37.640 --> 0:49:39.279
<v Speaker 1>back and forth and this guy's giving me a hard

0:49:39.320 --> 0:49:40.920
<v Speaker 1>time and elk just chimes in. He's like, lay off,

0:49:40.960 --> 0:49:43.200
<v Speaker 1>my man, Big Gravy, And I'm like.

0:49:43.239 --> 0:49:44.560
<v Speaker 2>Where the hell did that come from?

0:49:44.600 --> 0:49:46.480
<v Speaker 1>He's like, he's like, I'm a bourbon guy. He's like,

0:49:46.480 --> 0:49:48.600
<v Speaker 1>there's a there's a really nice bourbon called Big Gravy.

0:49:48.600 --> 0:49:49.680
<v Speaker 1>I love and I just feel like it kind of

0:49:49.680 --> 0:49:51.440
<v Speaker 1>suits you, and it was one of the ones it

0:49:51.520 --> 0:49:55.719
<v Speaker 1>just literally just took off out of nobody. So yeah,

0:49:55.760 --> 0:49:57.800
<v Speaker 1>I got to give Elkington all the credit. It's just

0:49:57.840 --> 0:50:00.200
<v Speaker 1>one of those nicknames that went. It wasn't the most

0:50:00.239 --> 0:50:03.680
<v Speaker 1>flattering thing I would say, but it's still yeah, and

0:50:03.760 --> 0:50:05.360
<v Speaker 1>I kind of like it now Now I just don't it.

0:50:07.920 --> 0:50:12.520
<v Speaker 2>I like it. You you enjoy doing the show still.

0:50:13.040 --> 0:50:15.160
<v Speaker 2>I mean you're like the busiest man in golf too.

0:50:15.200 --> 0:50:17.719
<v Speaker 2>I mean you talk about not wanting to grind and

0:50:17.800 --> 0:50:20.839
<v Speaker 2>hit balls anymore, tried to work on the corn Ferry tour.

0:50:20.920 --> 0:50:25.000
<v Speaker 2>But I mean, you've got your amazing podcast that is

0:50:25.040 --> 0:50:28.240
<v Speaker 2>about to have a very special guest, very special golf's

0:50:28.600 --> 0:50:32.640
<v Speaker 2>subpar with Drew Stolt, You've got gravy in the sleeves.

0:50:33.040 --> 0:50:36.279
<v Speaker 2>So this is this is the same show that you

0:50:36.320 --> 0:50:38.680
<v Speaker 2>were offered for Serious when you retired, right.

0:50:39.000 --> 0:50:41.879
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So I got offered this Serious xim at La.

0:50:41.960 --> 0:50:44.879
<v Speaker 1>I was doing TV, just my first ever TV event,

0:50:44.880 --> 0:50:47.879
<v Speaker 1>and Scott Greenstein from Serious XM Game called and said,

0:50:47.880 --> 0:50:50.480
<v Speaker 1>would you want to show? And I'm like, I mean, gods,

0:50:50.480 --> 0:50:52.560
<v Speaker 1>Slees and I had been talking about doing a show

0:50:52.560 --> 0:50:54.359
<v Speaker 1>together for years, just never knew how to get one,

0:50:54.400 --> 0:50:56.440
<v Speaker 1>and then Yeah. We started out it one day a

0:50:56.440 --> 0:50:59.200
<v Speaker 1>week for an hour, quickly went to three, three days

0:50:59.200 --> 0:51:00.520
<v Speaker 1>a week for two hours. They want us to go

0:51:00.520 --> 0:51:02.960
<v Speaker 1>to five, but I don't have time for that. But man,

0:51:03.280 --> 0:51:06.719
<v Speaker 1>I love it. It's Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, so I have

0:51:06.719 --> 0:51:09.400
<v Speaker 1>to miss shows it occasionally for travel. But I honestly

0:51:09.440 --> 0:51:11.880
<v Speaker 1>tell people, like, I think doing the Serious XM in

0:51:11.960 --> 0:51:15.080
<v Speaker 1>the podcast makes me better on CBS because I have

0:51:15.160 --> 0:51:17.000
<v Speaker 1>to talk about everything that's going on in the game

0:51:17.000 --> 0:51:19.640
<v Speaker 1>of golf right between those two shows, so it, you know,

0:51:19.719 --> 0:51:21.640
<v Speaker 1>informs me on a lot more things like I know

0:51:21.640 --> 0:51:24.520
<v Speaker 1>those crazy numbers about Netflix and stuff like that, or

0:51:24.520 --> 0:51:27.000
<v Speaker 1>I don't think I normally would, right, Yeah, I mean

0:51:27.440 --> 0:51:30.120
<v Speaker 1>the Serious ExM. It's nine to eleven in Scottsdale, so

0:51:30.200 --> 0:51:32.960
<v Speaker 1>I wake up, have some coffee, stroll into my office,

0:51:33.040 --> 0:51:35.080
<v Speaker 1>Drew comes over and we just sit here and it's

0:51:35.120 --> 0:51:37.399
<v Speaker 1>like two buddies just talking back and forth for two

0:51:37.400 --> 0:51:38.560
<v Speaker 1>hours and we get paid to do it.

0:51:38.560 --> 0:51:44.279
<v Speaker 2>It's insane. It's great. You're amazing to listen to. You

0:51:44.400 --> 0:51:47.520
<v Speaker 2>offer so many insights. Again, I know to people who

0:51:47.600 --> 0:51:49.799
<v Speaker 2>don't know golf well, but even those who do are

0:51:50.080 --> 0:51:53.680
<v Speaker 2>constantly listening to what you have to say. It should

0:51:53.719 --> 0:51:58.239
<v Speaker 2>be mentioned this year you made your first trip to

0:51:59.000 --> 0:52:04.160
<v Speaker 2>beautiful my favorite place on the planet, the American Century

0:52:04.760 --> 0:52:09.360
<v Speaker 2>Golf Championship in beautiful Lake Tahoe.

0:52:10.200 --> 0:52:11.440
<v Speaker 1>Do you want to see something amazing?

0:52:12.040 --> 0:52:12.120
<v Speaker 2>What?

0:52:12.480 --> 0:52:15.719
<v Speaker 1>So? I was literally getting ready for this show and

0:52:15.760 --> 0:52:17.520
<v Speaker 1>I was on a trip to South Carolina yes day.

0:52:17.520 --> 0:52:19.239
<v Speaker 1>So I was pulling my backpack or stuff out of

0:52:19.239 --> 0:52:24.200
<v Speaker 1>my backpack and I find this ship from Harras. I

0:52:24.239 --> 0:52:27.000
<v Speaker 1>can't make this up, Harris Tahoe one hundred dollars.

0:52:27.120 --> 0:52:32.640
<v Speaker 2>That is a one dollar from Harra's in Lake Tahoe.

0:52:33.200 --> 0:52:36.040
<v Speaker 1>Wow, hilarious. That means I have to go back next

0:52:36.120 --> 0:52:37.120
<v Speaker 1>year so I can cash this out.

0:52:37.280 --> 0:52:39.480
<v Speaker 2>You have to cash it, you have to catch it out.

0:52:40.239 --> 0:52:41.520
<v Speaker 2>Did you enjoy being.

0:52:41.320 --> 0:52:46.439
<v Speaker 1>There the greatest week of the year. Honestly, I'd heard

0:52:46.520 --> 0:52:49.400
<v Speaker 1>stories I was going up there. We flew up there

0:52:49.440 --> 0:52:51.600
<v Speaker 1>on Tuesday or Wednesday, Sleaz and I did a deal

0:52:51.600 --> 0:52:54.479
<v Speaker 1>for Corbell and the Long Drive. Yes, on sixteen there.

0:52:54.560 --> 0:52:56.839
<v Speaker 1>And then my good buddy Alex Klorn, who was making

0:52:56.880 --> 0:52:59.560
<v Speaker 1>his first appearance two times Stanley Cup champion, He's like,

0:52:59.600 --> 0:53:02.399
<v Speaker 1>would you want to Caddy? But I'm like God, it's

0:53:02.400 --> 0:53:04.880
<v Speaker 1>one hundred and forty degrees in Scott's Still I'm like, sure,

0:53:05.000 --> 0:53:07.880
<v Speaker 1>I'll caddy for you. We end up playing great the

0:53:07.920 --> 0:53:10.760
<v Speaker 1>first day, get paired with Steph Curry in the last

0:53:10.760 --> 0:53:12.880
<v Speaker 1>group on Saturday. It makes the hole in one on

0:53:12.960 --> 0:53:15.839
<v Speaker 1>eight like it was such a fun week. I knew

0:53:15.840 --> 0:53:18.240
<v Speaker 1>it was gonna be fun, but it blew me away.

0:53:18.360 --> 0:53:21.480
<v Speaker 1>That is seriously, I see why y'all have so much

0:53:21.520 --> 0:53:23.359
<v Speaker 1>fun and see why you look forward to it every year.

0:53:23.400 --> 0:53:25.879
<v Speaker 1>I mean that scene on seventeen when we came through

0:53:25.920 --> 0:53:28.080
<v Speaker 1>there on Saturday, I'm like, this is this is like

0:53:28.120 --> 0:53:30.120
<v Speaker 1>playing with Tiger right now, with Steph Curry out here

0:53:30.160 --> 0:53:33.520
<v Speaker 1>and all these people. Man, they do a great job there.

0:53:33.560 --> 0:53:36.080
<v Speaker 1>That is, if you ever get a chance to go,

0:53:36.280 --> 0:53:39.440
<v Speaker 1>for those listening, you gotta go. It's a blast.

0:53:39.680 --> 0:53:43.120
<v Speaker 2>Where would you put it ranking wise as a as

0:53:43.160 --> 0:53:45.399
<v Speaker 2>a I understand it's not a PGA Tour event. I'm

0:53:45.480 --> 0:53:49.000
<v Speaker 2>well aware they let me play, but what but what

0:53:49.040 --> 0:53:49.560
<v Speaker 2>where would you.

0:53:49.600 --> 0:53:52.120
<v Speaker 1>Rank it as far as just fun? I don't know

0:53:52.160 --> 0:53:54.279
<v Speaker 1>if you can beat it, Like you can't beat it.

0:53:54.440 --> 0:53:57.440
<v Speaker 1>I mean with all you guys, I mean some the

0:53:57.560 --> 0:54:01.400
<v Speaker 1>names that play in this tournament. You Charles Parkley, Aaron Rodgers.

0:54:01.520 --> 0:54:04.080
<v Speaker 1>I mean, the list goes on and on. Steph Curry

0:54:04.480 --> 0:54:07.160
<v Speaker 1>justin Timberlake's played in the past. Like to see those

0:54:07.200 --> 0:54:08.960
<v Speaker 1>guys up close and personal. Then you see him in

0:54:08.960 --> 0:54:11.920
<v Speaker 1>the casino afterwards. Travis Kelsey, by the way, who's probably

0:54:12.040 --> 0:54:14.440
<v Speaker 1>MVP every year, puts on an absolute show.

0:54:14.719 --> 0:54:15.640
<v Speaker 2>He put a show.

0:54:15.960 --> 0:54:18.360
<v Speaker 1>You can't you can't make it up, like it's fantasy

0:54:18.440 --> 0:54:21.799
<v Speaker 1>lamp like. Yeah, I'm making sure my CBS schedule does

0:54:21.800 --> 0:54:25.440
<v Speaker 1>not conflict with whatever American Century at Lake Tahoe, Like,

0:54:25.520 --> 0:54:26.640
<v Speaker 1>I gotta be there every year.

0:54:27.200 --> 0:54:30.080
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's it's a great time. Well, it's always the

0:54:30.120 --> 0:54:32.600
<v Speaker 2>same week, just so you know, so.

0:54:32.600 --> 0:54:36.239
<v Speaker 1>I believe it's opposite Scottish Open. It's the week before

0:54:36.520 --> 0:54:38.920
<v Speaker 1>the British Open, the British Op. Yeah, so it's opposite

0:54:38.960 --> 0:54:42.440
<v Speaker 1>the Scottish Open, which just so happens. We have eighteen

0:54:42.480 --> 0:54:45.680
<v Speaker 1>events next year for CBS. I get seventeen of them,

0:54:46.000 --> 0:54:49.160
<v Speaker 1>and I happen to have the Scottish Open off, So.

0:54:48.600 --> 0:54:52.239
<v Speaker 2>So I'll see in Lake Tahoe. Oh baby, shoot, wait,

0:54:52.760 --> 0:54:55.359
<v Speaker 2>you know what's interesting to me and no one else

0:54:55.480 --> 0:54:58.280
<v Speaker 2>the Americans said, I've never talked about this before. I don't,

0:54:58.320 --> 0:55:01.680
<v Speaker 2>probably because nobody would be interested by that. Tournament in

0:55:01.719 --> 0:55:05.640
<v Speaker 2>a way was built because NBC did not have the

0:55:05.640 --> 0:55:09.960
<v Speaker 2>British Open, so it was counter programming to the British.

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<v Speaker 2>It was the same weekend on NBC versus your employer Cbah.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, it was a rather good idea whoever came up.

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<v Speaker 2>With it, because John Miller, my friend, my.

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<v Speaker 1>God, I mean, that is a show. I mean, between

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<v Speaker 1>the golf, everything going on at night, can't beat. It's

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<v Speaker 1>the best week of the year. It takes ten years

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<v Speaker 1>off your life, but it's a lot of fun.

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<v Speaker 2>You haven't aged a bit. Colt, thank you so much

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<v Speaker 2>for coming on. Check out Colt's podcast Golf Subpar, as

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<v Speaker 2>well as Gravy and the Sleeves on Serious XM. And

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<v Speaker 2>of course you can hear my good friend doing the

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<v Speaker 2>best work in professional golf on CBS, not the lead commentator,

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<v Speaker 2>but an on course correspondent for CBS. Check him out

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<v Speaker 2>at least if they have the tournament and not NBC. Cold,

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<v Speaker 2>thanks a lot, my friend.

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<v Speaker 1>You got it, ma man anytime. Thank you so much

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<v Speaker 1>for having me.

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<v Speaker 2>Cold. Thank you, my friend, thanks for joining me, and

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<v Speaker 2>thank you for bringing some personality and incredible knowledge to

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<v Speaker 2>those who like to watch the game of golf. Unfortunately,

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<v Speaker 2>I have to report that since we recorded this conversation,

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<v Speaker 2>Team USA did not win the Wryter Cup. But hey,

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<v Speaker 2>cold got to go to Italy, so it's not all bad.

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<v Speaker 2>And Resid assured we will see the Europeans back on

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<v Speaker 2>American soil in two years. Guess what, you don't have

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<v Speaker 2>to wait two years for me. I'll be back next week,

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<v Speaker 2>same time, same podcast. I hope you will. We'll be

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<v Speaker 2>here too. Until then, Yeah, have a fantastic week. Off

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