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Speaker 1: Guys like delete that I looked up for the guys,

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Speaker 1: otherwise known as Big Gravy, and I am so excited

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Speaker 2: Hello everybody, and welcome to Off the Beat with Me

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Speaker 2: your host Brian Boncartner. Now, guys, you aren't going to

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Speaker 1: How we doing, Brian? Thanks for having me on?

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Speaker 2: Well, thank you. I mean I can see you're a

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Speaker 1: it's at one point it's like okay, enough is enough,

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Speaker 1: Like it's time for me to step up play golf

434
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Speaker 1: and stay out here on the PGA Tour where I belong.

435
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Speaker 2: Do you feel like you did that in twenty fifteen?

436
00:20:53,840 --> 00:20:56,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, Eventually, you know, I finally got comfortable. I had

437
00:20:56,080 --> 00:20:59,320
Speaker 1: a good year in twelve, I believe twenty twelve, struggled

438
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Speaker 1: in thirteen, and then fifteen and sixteen I really started

439
00:21:01,760 --> 00:21:04,840
Speaker 1: playing well, had a few chances to win. I think

440
00:21:04,880 --> 00:21:06,680
Speaker 1: I had like eight top tens in two years, something

441
00:21:06,760 --> 00:21:09,760
Speaker 1: like that. And then I hurt my left hand and

442
00:21:09,880 --> 00:21:12,359
Speaker 1: had some struggle with that. But I finally felt like

443
00:21:12,400 --> 00:21:14,480
Speaker 1: things were heading in the right direction right before I

444
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Speaker 1: got hurt.

445
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Speaker 2: Yeah, you and I spent a little bit of time

446
00:21:18,400 --> 00:21:21,640
Speaker 2: together during that time when you hurt your hand. Now

447
00:21:21,640 --> 00:21:26,200
Speaker 2: what exactly happened? Again? What was it? So?

448
00:21:26,440 --> 00:21:28,000
Speaker 1: I was really struggling with a lot of pain in

449
00:21:28,040 --> 00:21:31,000
Speaker 1: my left thumb in twenty sixteen. Had it looked at

450
00:21:31,080 --> 00:21:33,400
Speaker 1: many at times kept telling me there was really wasn't

451
00:21:33,400 --> 00:21:35,919
Speaker 1: anything wrong with my thumb, and I was playing. So

452
00:21:36,119 --> 00:21:38,760
Speaker 1: I went all of twenty sixteen where my doctor let

453
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Speaker 1: me warm up for twenty minutes before the round and

454
00:21:40,960 --> 00:21:43,360
Speaker 1: then no practice afterwards. And I had the best year

455
00:21:43,400 --> 00:21:45,480
Speaker 1: of my career. But it got to the point where

456
00:21:45,480 --> 00:21:47,920
Speaker 1: my clubhead speed kept going down and down and down.

457
00:21:48,400 --> 00:21:50,440
Speaker 1: And I can't afford that. I mean, I don't hit

458
00:21:50,440 --> 00:21:52,880
Speaker 1: it far as it is went in. They finally looked

459
00:21:52,880 --> 00:21:55,160
Speaker 1: at my wrists and my wrist was jacked up. Went

460
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Speaker 1: in fixed, that was out nine months, came back, hit

461
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Speaker 1: a shot in Dallas and was like, man, and something's

462
00:22:00,600 --> 00:22:02,680
Speaker 1: not right, Like I just felt that pain immediately again

463
00:22:02,720 --> 00:22:05,080
Speaker 1: in my thumb. Saw a specialist there in Dallas and

464
00:22:05,119 --> 00:22:07,320
Speaker 1: he's like, whoever told you there was nothing wrong with

465
00:22:07,359 --> 00:22:10,360
Speaker 1: your thumb was out of your mind, Like your ucl

466
00:22:10,480 --> 00:22:12,760
Speaker 1: in your left thumb is hanging on by a threat,

467
00:22:12,920 --> 00:22:15,679
Speaker 1: like we should have to do surgery tomorrow. So I

468
00:22:15,760 --> 00:22:18,879
Speaker 1: literally withdrew from Byron Nelson that week, had surgery the

469
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Speaker 1: next day, and was out another nine months.

470
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Speaker 2: Jeez, So when.

471
00:22:22,960 --> 00:22:25,480
Speaker 1: Of those things happened? But you know, the way I

472
00:22:25,520 --> 00:22:27,240
Speaker 1: look at it is like that injury led me to

473
00:22:27,280 --> 00:22:28,800
Speaker 1: what I'm doing now, and it might be the best

474
00:22:28,800 --> 00:22:29,560
Speaker 1: thing that ever happened.

475
00:22:30,080 --> 00:22:33,680
Speaker 2: Right, do you think if you had I mean, hindsight

476
00:22:33,760 --> 00:22:36,080
Speaker 2: is twenty twenty, But if someone had told you what

477
00:22:36,119 --> 00:22:39,040
Speaker 2: the real issue was earlier, that you could have gotten

478
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Speaker 2: it corrected earlier and come back stronger. Yeah.

479
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Speaker 1: Maybe. Obviously being out, being out for a lengthy amount

480
00:22:46,840 --> 00:22:48,879
Speaker 1: of time is brutal, just I mean, not being in

481
00:22:48,960 --> 00:22:50,480
Speaker 1: competition is tough.

482
00:22:50,840 --> 00:22:53,760
Speaker 2: Well, you lose your status too, right, Well, you can.

483
00:22:53,600 --> 00:22:55,359
Speaker 1: Come back and play on a major medical which is

484
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Speaker 1: what I was. So I was on a medical exemption.

485
00:22:57,160 --> 00:22:59,399
Speaker 1: So I still gotten all the PGA Tour events. I

486
00:22:59,440 --> 00:23:01,520
Speaker 1: just didn't play as well as I needed to keep

487
00:23:01,520 --> 00:23:04,280
Speaker 1: my car. But yeah, the way I was playing in

488
00:23:04,320 --> 00:23:06,320
Speaker 1: fifteen and sixteen, I was very confident I could come

489
00:23:06,320 --> 00:23:08,399
Speaker 1: back and do it again. But also, the game of

490
00:23:08,440 --> 00:23:11,840
Speaker 1: golf's changed a ton in the last decade. You don't

491
00:23:11,840 --> 00:23:14,560
Speaker 1: see many guys that play the way I did out

492
00:23:14,560 --> 00:23:17,600
Speaker 1: there competing still today. Like the short precision hitters really

493
00:23:17,640 --> 00:23:18,600
Speaker 1: don't exist anymore.

494
00:23:19,400 --> 00:23:22,360
Speaker 2: Yeah. Zach Johnson, who you mentioned before.

495
00:23:22,160 --> 00:23:23,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's done right. We had a guy calling to

496
00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:26,320
Speaker 1: our radio show the other day and say that Zach

497
00:23:26,359 --> 00:23:28,960
Speaker 1: Johnson was a mediocre PGA Tour player. I was, like,

498
00:23:29,119 --> 00:23:32,200
Speaker 1: he's fourteenth all time in career money, and he hasn't

499
00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:34,159
Speaker 1: had the greatest last three or four years when the

500
00:23:34,160 --> 00:23:36,200
Speaker 1: purses have gone up, and he's a two time major

501
00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:39,440
Speaker 1: championship at d two most historic golf courses in the world.

502
00:23:39,880 --> 00:23:40,520
Speaker 2: Hall of Famer.

503
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Speaker 1: Oh I'll take I'll take that mediocrity please.

504
00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:07,720
Speaker 2: You did compete in one hundred and ninety nine. Wow.

505
00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:11,440
Speaker 2: When I saw that number, I felt, I was, that's unfortunate.

506
00:24:11,800 --> 00:24:14,879
Speaker 2: One hundred and ninety Is it two hundred if you

507
00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:17,200
Speaker 2: count the Byron Nelson that you withdrew from or does

508
00:24:17,240 --> 00:24:19,399
Speaker 2: that is that part of the one ninety nine. I

509
00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:19,920
Speaker 2: don't know.

510
00:24:20,440 --> 00:24:22,480
Speaker 1: I'd have to look back. I think it's one ninety nine,

511
00:24:22,520 --> 00:24:25,080
Speaker 1: though it's a it's an interesting number. People people ask

512
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Speaker 1: me if I'm going to go back and try one more, just.

513
00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:29,800
Speaker 2: What just what you can get it now? You can

514
00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:33,880
Speaker 2: get an exception probably in play play one more over

515
00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:39,359
Speaker 2: thirteen seasons. What do you consider to be the highlight

516
00:24:40,119 --> 00:24:44,040
Speaker 2: of your professional golfing career? Oh?

517
00:24:44,160 --> 00:24:46,119
Speaker 1: Professional, there wasn't many highlights.

518
00:24:47,040 --> 00:24:48,680
Speaker 2: You know, well do it? First off, let me say

519
00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:51,439
Speaker 2: this because I mean you've hinted at it, but but

520
00:24:51,520 --> 00:24:54,159
Speaker 2: let me get the stat right. In two thousand and

521
00:24:54,200 --> 00:25:01,119
Speaker 2: seven you won three us GA tournaments, only the third

522
00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:06,440
Speaker 2: player to ever do that after j segual Great and

523
00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:12,160
Speaker 2: Bobby freaking Jones. I mean that is uh, I mean,

524
00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:16,080
Speaker 2: that is a huge accomplishment. And you know, as I

525
00:25:16,119 --> 00:25:20,320
Speaker 2: indicated before, like you were on a trajectory you know,

526
00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:23,639
Speaker 2: to be to be one of the top five players

527
00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:26,920
Speaker 2: in the world. Probably, Yeah, that was kind of my thought.

528
00:25:27,320 --> 00:25:32,680
Speaker 2: At least that was your initial plan. Yeah, but things changed.

529
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Speaker 1: Maucks, as they say in Varsity Bluz, you know, highly

530
00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:39,159
Speaker 1: of the professional career. I would probably say the Players

531
00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:42,280
Speaker 1: Championship the year I finished third, shooting sixty three on

532
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Speaker 1: Friday there with a bogie on the last. By the way,

533
00:25:45,320 --> 00:25:47,800
Speaker 1: your man, Charlie Hoffman, no one had ever been ten

534
00:25:47,880 --> 00:25:51,160
Speaker 1: under part through seventeen holes at any point at tpcsaw Grass.

535
00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:54,480
Speaker 1: I'm ten under through seventeen. I three put eighteen to

536
00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:56,760
Speaker 1: tie the course record. And I'm a golf junkie, so

537
00:25:56,760 --> 00:25:59,040
Speaker 1: I knew exactly what my little three and a half

538
00:25:59,040 --> 00:26:00,000
Speaker 1: footer for sixty two.

539
00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:01,720
Speaker 2: Who meant, oh you did?

540
00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:05,359
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Perc. I'm a golf nut. I know all

541
00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:08,120
Speaker 1: the all the numbers. But the first text I got

542
00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:11,000
Speaker 1: after shooting sixty three on Friday was from the Seagull,

543
00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:16,480
Speaker 1: Charlie Hoffin saying, nice three puts. I mean, just it's

544
00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:19,880
Speaker 1: just so typical he is. He is one of my

545
00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:23,640
Speaker 1: favorite people. Nobody has a more fitting nickname than the Seagull.

546
00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:26,560
Speaker 1: We were in Atlanta a few weeks ago. CBS was

547
00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:29,200
Speaker 1: covering the Tour Championship for the first time, and I'm

548
00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:30,760
Speaker 1: on the range and they showed me on the range

549
00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:33,480
Speaker 1: talking to Roy McRoy. Get a text from Charlie glad

550
00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:35,359
Speaker 1: to see you finally made it to the Tour Championship.

551
00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:43,680
Speaker 2: He is special. You know. My researchers, by the way,

552
00:26:44,119 --> 00:26:46,680
Speaker 2: told me about you finally making it to the Masters.

553
00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:49,320
Speaker 2: I mean that I don't think they were They were

554
00:26:50,080 --> 00:26:52,560
Speaker 2: making fun as much as just pointing that out to me.

555
00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:57,560
Speaker 2: Oh my god, he is a butte. He is something. Yeah,

556
00:26:57,600 --> 00:27:00,760
Speaker 2: he is a butte. Yeah. Third at the play that's

557
00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:02,639
Speaker 2: a big deal. Do you are you still tied for

558
00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:03,639
Speaker 2: the course record?

559
00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:08,439
Speaker 1: No, Unfortunately, Tom Hogy shot sixty two last year and

560
00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:11,159
Speaker 1: now he holds it alone right now.

561
00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:14,800
Speaker 2: I got nothing seconds. Not bad. Well, you still won

562
00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:18,679
Speaker 2: three USGA events in two thousand and seven. Let me

563
00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:22,200
Speaker 2: ask you this, do you think, well you brought up Tiger,

564
00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:25,760
Speaker 2: I mean that he's like the obvious go to guy.

565
00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:29,200
Speaker 2: Do you believe or do you know, because you've obviously

566
00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:31,640
Speaker 2: spoken to him quite a bit, do you think he

567
00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:35,399
Speaker 2: has those things in his head? Probably not.

568
00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:38,880
Speaker 1: I mean he's so ridiculous. I mean, he's not even human.

569
00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:40,960
Speaker 1: I mean, the things he's done, I mean it's crazy

570
00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:45,080
Speaker 1: looking at you know, like historical records and like crazy

571
00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:47,560
Speaker 1: streaks and everything, and every single one of them's Tiger.

572
00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:50,160
Speaker 1: I mean, he was just so much better than everyone else.

573
00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:52,840
Speaker 1: I don't now. I know he is a golf nerd,

574
00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:55,760
Speaker 1: and he knows who has the course record here, low

575
00:27:55,760 --> 00:27:58,240
Speaker 1: a score of all time here, So yeah, he definitely

576
00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:00,440
Speaker 1: is aware of it. But when he's out there, he's

577
00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:03,360
Speaker 1: so strong mentally compared to me, he ain't thinking about

578
00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:04,320
Speaker 1: that stuff.

579
00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:08,240
Speaker 2: Right, Well, I wonder. I mean people say, and look,

580
00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:13,439
Speaker 2: I fully admit that I'm a mental midget, but people say,

581
00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:18,920
Speaker 2: when you're when you're playing, just concentrate on the shot

582
00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:23,280
Speaker 2: ahead totally right, like leave everything behind. But people are

583
00:28:23,320 --> 00:28:27,639
Speaker 2: like they don't, don't think about your score. That's I don't.

584
00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:29,679
Speaker 2: I mean, who's not doing that?

585
00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:32,320
Speaker 1: But right I know, I know what everybody in my

586
00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:35,880
Speaker 1: group is at, of course, like I know everything that's

587
00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:39,520
Speaker 1: going on, of course, So I don't. Really I think

588
00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:42,560
Speaker 1: that's impossible. Like I know exactly how many underpar or

589
00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:44,880
Speaker 1: how many overpar I am every single time I've teed

590
00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:47,760
Speaker 1: the golf ball up my entire life, So that's pretty

591
00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:49,440
Speaker 1: much impossible. When someone gets done and be like, oh,

592
00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:51,280
Speaker 1: what I shoot today, I'm like, dude, you know, damn

593
00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:52,520
Speaker 1: well when you shot today.

594
00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:55,680
Speaker 2: You know what? I just thought of something. I just

595
00:28:55,760 --> 00:29:00,880
Speaker 2: thought of something. My best round ever. I actually lost track.

596
00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:06,600
Speaker 2: I didn't lose track, but I forgot where I was

597
00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:11,480
Speaker 2: because I was on this day, on this weird day,

598
00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:16,360
Speaker 2: I had gone under on the front and the idea

599
00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:19,600
Speaker 2: of a minus on one side didn't compute to me,

600
00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:24,640
Speaker 2: and I lost track and had and the course was

601
00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:27,480
Speaker 2: a part seventy one, and so I had about a

602
00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:34,040
Speaker 2: five footer for seventy one really and and didn't make it.

603
00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:38,160
Speaker 2: How long was you put for seventy two? But I

604
00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:40,000
Speaker 2: I made the one from seventy two. I was putting

605
00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:43,600
Speaker 2: well that day, but I was thinking it was just

606
00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:46,000
Speaker 2: it was still for one over. You know, I lost

607
00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:48,360
Speaker 2: track of where I was, But I don't I don't know.

608
00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:50,560
Speaker 2: That's only because I lost track. It wasn't like I

609
00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:51,640
Speaker 2: wasn't thinking about it.

610
00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:54,160
Speaker 1: I just think pro golfers in general, I mean, they're

611
00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:56,320
Speaker 1: really really good, and so they're normally under part.

612
00:29:56,360 --> 00:30:00,480
Speaker 2: They know exactly where they stand, yeah, at all times. Yeah.

613
00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:05,640
Speaker 2: In twenty twenty, after what I have heard you say,

614
00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:09,920
Speaker 2: is one of your favorite tournaments, the Waste Management Phoenix

615
00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:12,880
Speaker 2: Open you decide to retire? Is that about your injury?

616
00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:14,000
Speaker 2: Couldn't do it anymore.

617
00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:16,800
Speaker 1: So that was the end of my major medical and

618
00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:18,480
Speaker 1: so that's kind of going back to what I said

619
00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:21,320
Speaker 1: about going back and forth between corn Ferry and PGA Tour.

620
00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:24,800
Speaker 1: So I had two decisions, either I do something else

621
00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:26,280
Speaker 1: in my life or I go back to the corn

622
00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:28,640
Speaker 1: Ferry Tour. And I was thirty five years old, and

623
00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:30,800
Speaker 1: I think I'd been out on the PGA Tour for

624
00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:33,320
Speaker 1: six seven straight years something like that, and I was like,

625
00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:35,959
Speaker 1: I don't think I can go back and do it,

626
00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:39,080
Speaker 1: Like I have the opportunity with Serious XM do a

627
00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:40,680
Speaker 1: show three days a week. I was like, I can

628
00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:43,120
Speaker 1: make I could finish top ten on the corn Ferry

629
00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:45,280
Speaker 1: money lest sitting in my office talking about golf three

630
00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:48,720
Speaker 1: days a week and don't have to stress about making

631
00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:51,040
Speaker 1: cuts or beating these young and hungary twenty two year

632
00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:54,520
Speaker 1: old kids. So I'd done some work for CBS and

633
00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:56,760
Speaker 1: Golf Channel at the time, and they reached out and

634
00:30:56,800 --> 00:30:58,920
Speaker 1: I was like, you know, I think I think it's time.

635
00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:01,440
Speaker 1: I think it's time for me to go try something else.

636
00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:04,320
Speaker 1: I love talking about the game of golf. I love

637
00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:07,520
Speaker 1: being at golf tournaments, and this gave me the best

638
00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:09,120
Speaker 1: of both worlds, Like I still got to travel with

639
00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:12,000
Speaker 1: the PGA Tour, be out there in the action and

640
00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:13,760
Speaker 1: talk about the game I love. I was like, I'm

641
00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:15,960
Speaker 1: I'm gonna give this a go. I can always go

642
00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:17,960
Speaker 1: back and try to go to Q School and play

643
00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:21,200
Speaker 1: the Corn Ferry Tour or something like that. But you know,

644
00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:24,000
Speaker 1: I don't know if this opportunity with CBS Golf Channel

645
00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:26,600
Speaker 1: all that will always be there. So I decided to

646
00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:28,880
Speaker 1: take a little bit of a risk and went and

647
00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:30,640
Speaker 1: got into the media world. It's weird to say that

648
00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:33,400
Speaker 1: I'm part of the media, but man, am I having

649
00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:34,080
Speaker 1: some fun with it?

650
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Speaker 2: Yeah? All right, Well, before we talk about that, I

651
00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:39,920
Speaker 2: got to ask you, do you miss playing competitively?

652
00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:43,000
Speaker 1: I think you'll always Anybody that does it for a

653
00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:46,280
Speaker 1: long time will always miss it. Like I miss tuesdays,

654
00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:48,640
Speaker 1: trash talking in money games with the guys out there,

655
00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:52,400
Speaker 1: that feeling of like you're gonna throw up over every

656
00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:55,520
Speaker 1: shot when you're in contention on Sunday, Like you can't

657
00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:59,320
Speaker 1: ever replicate that in everyday life, so you'll always miss that.

658
00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:02,160
Speaker 1: But at the same time, with the direction golf is gone

659
00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:05,000
Speaker 1: where everyone smashes it and it's all about fitness and

660
00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:07,240
Speaker 1: you got to carry it three twenty or you don't

661
00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:09,480
Speaker 1: have a chance in seeing the best players in the

662
00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:12,360
Speaker 1: world up close and personal every single week like I do. Now,

663
00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:15,160
Speaker 1: I'm like, I have no business being out here playing

664
00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:19,200
Speaker 1: against these guys. So yeah, party, you will always miss

665
00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:22,280
Speaker 1: the competition part, no doubt. But I've never been happier

666
00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:23,760
Speaker 1: in my life than I am right now.

667
00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:24,960
Speaker 2: How often do you play now?

668
00:32:25,560 --> 00:32:27,840
Speaker 1: It depends during the season, Like I hate traveling with

669
00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:31,440
Speaker 1: my clubs because they're paying lugging around. No, it's the worst,

670
00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:33,520
Speaker 1: you know, So I don't play a lot. But now

671
00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:35,680
Speaker 1: that we're finished, like I normally play three days a

672
00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:37,240
Speaker 1: week and only Thursday, Friday, Saturday.

673
00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:42,280
Speaker 2: So you play three days walking of course.

674
00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:45,280
Speaker 1: Off from my cart to my ball.

675
00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:49,680
Speaker 2: Yes, in the season, and if it's cart path only,

676
00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:50,960
Speaker 2: you don't. You don't.

677
00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:55,080
Speaker 1: Plus see here in Arizona we oversee in October and

678
00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:57,880
Speaker 1: so it's carts on path only until like January one,

679
00:32:57,920 --> 00:32:59,920
Speaker 1: and it is the worst. I mean, you might as

680
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:02,400
Speaker 1: well just walk. Yeah, they keep the carts on the

681
00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:04,520
Speaker 1: path for a long time around her, just because it's

682
00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:07,880
Speaker 1: so busy January through May. They want their golf courses

683
00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:10,640
Speaker 1: really green and pretty. So that's my least favorite time

684
00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:12,080
Speaker 1: of the year. One the ball doesn't roll, so my

685
00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:14,480
Speaker 1: drives go even shorter, and then you have to walk

686
00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:16,560
Speaker 1: like one hundred yards from the car path to your ball.

687
00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:22,440
Speaker 2: Sucks. Yeah, I hear you. You have been described by

688
00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:28,920
Speaker 2: me as the Charles Barkley of golf. Why do you

689
00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:31,920
Speaker 2: think And first I want to talk about your role

690
00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:37,640
Speaker 2: with CBS lead on course analyst.

691
00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:41,320
Speaker 1: That's Dottie. That's Dottie. She's got the lead term.

692
00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:44,400
Speaker 2: I'm just on course analyst.

693
00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:47,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, on course would be fair, on course yeah, on

694
00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:48,640
Speaker 1: course reporter analyst.

695
00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:54,240
Speaker 2: On course Yeah. But I feel like they're doing some

696
00:33:54,360 --> 00:34:01,080
Speaker 2: really fun new stuff with you that is ultimate great

697
00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:04,520
Speaker 2: for the game of golf. I'll bring up you at

698
00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:08,880
Speaker 2: the Waste Management Phoenix Open on the sixteenth hole there

699
00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:10,920
Speaker 2: and the work that you've done the last couple of

700
00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:13,760
Speaker 2: years from there, Why do you think that this work

701
00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:14,640
Speaker 2: suits you?

702
00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:17,879
Speaker 1: That's a great question. You know, I never had any

703
00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:20,640
Speaker 1: plans of getting into this. I recently learned in the

704
00:34:20,719 --> 00:34:22,600
Speaker 1: last couple of years, my mom told me that I

705
00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:24,279
Speaker 1: would sit when I was a young kid and act

706
00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:27,640
Speaker 1: like a broadcaster during all the sporting sports. That was

707
00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:30,840
Speaker 1: interesting to hear. That's something I never knew. You know,

708
00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:34,360
Speaker 1: I'm a student of the game. I obviously played at

709
00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:36,840
Speaker 1: a very high level for a long time. I know

710
00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:39,360
Speaker 1: the guys so well. Like I mean, I'm just recently retired.

711
00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:41,000
Speaker 1: The best players in the world are still some of

712
00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:43,600
Speaker 1: my very good friends, and so I know what it's

713
00:34:43,640 --> 00:34:45,799
Speaker 1: like to be out there. But I also in the

714
00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:47,440
Speaker 1: game of golf, where a lot of people are scared

715
00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:48,560
Speaker 1: to show any personality.

716
00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:50,600
Speaker 2: I'm not right. You know.

717
00:34:50,640 --> 00:34:52,680
Speaker 1: When I got that call from CBS, I'll never forget.

718
00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:54,600
Speaker 1: I had a cast on my hand. I was probably

719
00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:56,160
Speaker 1: with you. I was laid in my hotel room, and

720
00:34:56,400 --> 00:34:58,400
Speaker 1: I wasn't with you in my hotel room. I was

721
00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:00,880
Speaker 1: in Vegas at the same time as you, but I

722
00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:02,279
Speaker 1: was laying there in bed when I got the call

723
00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:04,759
Speaker 1: from CBS, the like would you ever consider doing TV?

724
00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:07,880
Speaker 1: And I'm like, I've never even thought about it. They're like, well,

725
00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:09,640
Speaker 1: a lot of people say, You've got one of the

726
00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:12,560
Speaker 1: best personalities out there, and we're looking for guys that

727
00:35:12,600 --> 00:35:14,560
Speaker 1: were ex players to possibly do this, and I was

728
00:35:14,600 --> 00:35:16,880
Speaker 1: still trying to play at the time. So it's like, well,

729
00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:18,359
Speaker 1: that's kind of a slap in the face. They think

730
00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:22,200
Speaker 1: my career's done. But it works out. It worked out

731
00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:24,920
Speaker 1: really good. So you know, you mentioned the Charles Barkley thing,

732
00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:27,279
Speaker 1: which is the biggest compliment anyone's ever given me. By

733
00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:29,160
Speaker 1: the way, thank you for that. I think he is

734
00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:31,440
Speaker 1: the best in the business. How he makes it fun

735
00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:34,479
Speaker 1: and informative and is not scared to, you know, say

736
00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:36,279
Speaker 1: what he thinks. And that's what I try to do

737
00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:39,560
Speaker 1: with golf. Like, not everybody is a golf nerd. Not

738
00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:42,200
Speaker 1: everybody knows exactly what's going on. So like when I talk,

739
00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:45,000
Speaker 1: I want to I want the average golfer to know

740
00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:47,840
Speaker 1: exactly what I'm talking about and make it fun along

741
00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:49,640
Speaker 1: the way. Like I know it's when it's time to

742
00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:52,319
Speaker 1: be serious and stuff like that, but you know, making

743
00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:55,560
Speaker 1: jokes about myself or Frank Nabolo and even Jim nance

744
00:35:55,640 --> 00:35:57,920
Speaker 1: having fun with those guys. I mean, it's a show.

745
00:35:58,080 --> 00:36:00,000
Speaker 1: I mean, you know you're in the entertainment world.

746
00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:04,000
Speaker 2: That's exactly right. And here's what here's what I think.

747
00:36:04,239 --> 00:36:06,799
Speaker 2: I mean I already gave you a compliment, but I'm

748
00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:09,719
Speaker 2: gonna I'm gonna explain what I mean, you know. I mean,

749
00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:12,120
Speaker 2: you bring up the fact that you're recently retired, and

750
00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:14,439
Speaker 2: you know a lot of the guys, well, that could

751
00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:19,200
Speaker 2: be true of dozens of players. Let's be honest. I

752
00:36:19,239 --> 00:36:24,279
Speaker 2: think what makes you so refreshing is one you're not

753
00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:28,000
Speaker 2: afraid to have fun in a game that let's face it,

754
00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:33,040
Speaker 2: there are times where I believe and you maybe can't

755
00:36:33,080 --> 00:36:36,600
Speaker 2: say this anymore, but I'll be happy to where the

756
00:36:36,600 --> 00:36:39,360
Speaker 2: PGA Tour at times tries to make it the no

757
00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:43,000
Speaker 2: fun league, and that's what they call the NFL at times,

758
00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:46,960
Speaker 2: but you know, takes itself just a little too seriously.

759
00:36:47,040 --> 00:36:49,400
Speaker 2: And I'm a guy who loves golf, you know, just

760
00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:54,280
Speaker 2: like you, and I think that you have a way

761
00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:57,799
Speaker 2: of explaining to the average golfer what's going on, and

762
00:36:57,840 --> 00:37:01,760
Speaker 2: the not so average golfer what's going on. You're respectful

763
00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:07,560
Speaker 2: of players, but it's not precious, and I think that's

764
00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:13,600
Speaker 2: what people are tired of in the golf world specifically,

765
00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:17,800
Speaker 2: probably all sports. But when it gets a little too precious,

766
00:37:18,080 --> 00:37:21,360
Speaker 2: it's a turnoff, to be honest, and I feel like

767
00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:24,879
Speaker 2: that you have brought a renewed energy behind the broadcast

768
00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:31,279
Speaker 2: where you're telling the story of what's going on on

769
00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:34,840
Speaker 2: that day, but also giving us enough backstory to have

770
00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:37,799
Speaker 2: it mean just a little bit more and have it

771
00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:40,480
Speaker 2: be a little more personal for all of us.

772
00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:44,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, like you said, it's like I have no control

773
00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:46,239
Speaker 1: over what happens on the golf course out there, Like

774
00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:49,400
Speaker 1: my job is to inform the viewer, and if I

775
00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:51,040
Speaker 1: can have some fun along the way, like that's what

776
00:37:51,080 --> 00:37:53,240
Speaker 1: I want to do. Like I pay attention to everything

777
00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:54,960
Speaker 1: that's going on in the world up to date on

778
00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:56,879
Speaker 1: curt events, I know where I'm at, Like I love

779
00:37:56,920 --> 00:37:59,560
Speaker 1: taking shots at other football teams around the world if

780
00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:01,760
Speaker 1: we're in there city and stuff like that and bringing

781
00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:04,640
Speaker 1: them in and then getting Twitter all riled up. It's

782
00:38:04,719 --> 00:38:07,640
Speaker 1: just so much fun. But I also know, like if

783
00:38:07,640 --> 00:38:10,920
Speaker 1: a guy hits a ridiculous shot, like I appreciate it

784
00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:12,880
Speaker 1: and I can describe to the you're at home, like

785
00:38:13,239 --> 00:38:14,799
Speaker 1: how difficult that was?

786
00:38:15,239 --> 00:38:15,400
Speaker 2: You know.

787
00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:17,840
Speaker 1: I use the example just to make fun of myself.

788
00:38:17,840 --> 00:38:20,600
Speaker 1: Like we're at sixteen at Mirefield Village up in Columbus

789
00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:23,000
Speaker 1: Jack Nicholas's tournament and they had this pin tucked over water.

790
00:38:23,239 --> 00:38:25,040
Speaker 1: It was an impossible pin. And I said, this whole

791
00:38:25,080 --> 00:38:27,880
Speaker 1: location looks about as inviting as one of those gem signs,

792
00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:30,520
Speaker 1: and people just they think about it in a second,

793
00:38:30,520 --> 00:38:33,000
Speaker 1: They're like, oh, I get it, Like you don't want

794
00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:35,000
Speaker 1: any part of that. And I'm like, exactly, like you

795
00:38:35,160 --> 00:38:37,600
Speaker 1: just ignore this whole location, shoot out to the right

796
00:38:37,640 --> 00:38:39,839
Speaker 1: and move on with it. But you know, you can

797
00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:42,279
Speaker 1: be serious, but just have some fun with it. And

798
00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:44,600
Speaker 1: you said you mentioned energy, and like that's what I

799
00:38:44,680 --> 00:38:46,880
Speaker 1: tell everyone at CBS, like the one thing you can

800
00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:49,200
Speaker 1: always count on me for every day when I show

801
00:38:49,239 --> 00:38:51,080
Speaker 1: up to the compound, whether I'm having a terrible day

802
00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:52,880
Speaker 1: or a great day, Like I'm going to bring the energy.

803
00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:56,080
Speaker 1: And I can tell like when when I'm on the

804
00:38:56,080 --> 00:38:58,880
Speaker 1: broadcast first when I'm off the difference in the energy.

805
00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:01,560
Speaker 1: Everyone on that podcast knows they can poke fun at

806
00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:03,719
Speaker 1: me or say something creative to me, and I'll give

807
00:39:03,719 --> 00:39:05,759
Speaker 1: it right back to them or I'll roll with it.

808
00:39:06,120 --> 00:39:08,440
Speaker 1: And so I think we're heading in the right direction,

809
00:39:08,520 --> 00:39:11,319
Speaker 1: which is which is good news because like, let's be honest,

810
00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:12,280
Speaker 1: golf can be very boring.

811
00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:13,560
Speaker 2: There's no doubt.

812
00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:15,440
Speaker 1: I mean, the old adage I turn on the golf

813
00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:18,400
Speaker 1: to take a nap. As a broadcaster, that's very insulting.

814
00:39:18,600 --> 00:39:20,120
Speaker 1: I don't want you think an I just want to

815
00:39:20,160 --> 00:39:21,640
Speaker 1: scream wake up out there every once in a.

816
00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:26,040
Speaker 2: While, right right, right, No, I know it's fair, it's

817
00:39:26,120 --> 00:39:29,200
Speaker 2: very funny. This is I don't know if I've ever

818
00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:32,560
Speaker 2: said these words before, but you know, we I hear

819
00:39:32,640 --> 00:39:34,600
Speaker 2: a lot. Not to make this about me, but about

820
00:39:34,719 --> 00:39:37,600
Speaker 2: the office and the number of people that say I

821
00:39:37,680 --> 00:39:42,799
Speaker 2: put it on every night to go to bed. Thanks oh.

822
00:39:43,480 --> 00:40:05,200
Speaker 2: In a second Full Swing documentary that Netflix did about

823
00:40:05,239 --> 00:40:08,719
Speaker 2: the PGA Tour, you a fan. I thought it was.

824
00:40:08,719 --> 00:40:10,680
Speaker 1: Great for the game of golf. They did a great

825
00:40:10,760 --> 00:40:13,279
Speaker 1: job with it for me. You know, I compare to

826
00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:15,160
Speaker 1: Drive to Survive, which was the first one of those

827
00:40:15,160 --> 00:40:17,400
Speaker 1: that was a massive hit. Like, I knew nothing about

828
00:40:17,480 --> 00:40:20,720
Speaker 1: F one, so when I watched it, I was fascinated golf,

829
00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:22,160
Speaker 1: Like I knew all this. I didn't need to know

830
00:40:22,160 --> 00:40:24,399
Speaker 1: how to make a cut for you know, how many

831
00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:26,399
Speaker 1: people play the weekend. What a birdie, what a par

832
00:40:26,560 --> 00:40:28,840
Speaker 1: Is and all that. But I don't think that was

833
00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:31,400
Speaker 1: made for me, the guy who lives and dies with

834
00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:33,799
Speaker 1: the game of golf. So for the people at home

835
00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:36,440
Speaker 1: to bring more people into the game. It was fantastic

836
00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:38,799
Speaker 1: and the numbers have shown them, like the viewership at

837
00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:41,080
Speaker 1: PGA Tour events is up, the number of people that

838
00:40:41,160 --> 00:40:44,239
Speaker 1: follow golfers on social media, and the people that tune

839
00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:47,040
Speaker 1: in like it's great. So it's done great things. My

840
00:40:47,160 --> 00:40:49,160
Speaker 1: one thing, and I've told Chad Mum, this is like

841
00:40:49,640 --> 00:40:51,640
Speaker 1: they showed all the guys getting on the private jets

842
00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:54,279
Speaker 1: going tournament to tournament, Like, let's follow the guys that

843
00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:56,560
Speaker 1: grind it out to make a cut every week and

844
00:40:56,600 --> 00:40:58,719
Speaker 1: are grinding to keep their tour card every single year.

845
00:40:58,760 --> 00:41:02,080
Speaker 2: Like I find that part fast. Yes, well, you know

846
00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:06,160
Speaker 2: I talked to Charlie about this as well. Figala though.

847
00:41:06,600 --> 00:41:10,640
Speaker 2: I mean that story, that episode there, I mean, it

848
00:41:11,200 --> 00:41:15,480
Speaker 2: has to have given him thousands, if not millions, of

849
00:41:15,600 --> 00:41:19,920
Speaker 2: more fans. It was such an engaging story and you know,

850
00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:24,439
Speaker 2: he just won. And I mean, look, it's great when

851
00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:29,319
Speaker 2: you have a young player come out, play amazing and

852
00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:33,920
Speaker 2: win a tournament. And if we know about those players,

853
00:41:34,080 --> 00:41:37,000
Speaker 2: or we want to know about those players, that's what

854
00:41:37,160 --> 00:41:39,000
Speaker 2: makes it especially special.

855
00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:41,279
Speaker 1: It was huge for him. I thought it was huge.

856
00:41:41,360 --> 00:41:43,640
Speaker 1: I mean, look what Joel Damon like Joel Damon became

857
00:41:44,040 --> 00:41:46,560
Speaker 1: all of a sudden this fan favorite because of his personality.

858
00:41:46,680 --> 00:41:49,719
Speaker 1: His caddy, Gina was all over the episode that he's

859
00:41:49,719 --> 00:41:53,359
Speaker 1: out there signing freaking autographs. What are we doing? But

860
00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:55,319
Speaker 1: it shows you. I mean, that kind of exposure when

861
00:41:55,360 --> 00:41:58,200
Speaker 1: you get on Netflix is awesome. I can't Season two,

862
00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:00,480
Speaker 1: I think will be even better because they are learned

863
00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:02,160
Speaker 1: a lot from season one. They're like, Okay, we can

864
00:42:02,200 --> 00:42:04,839
Speaker 1: go this route and make it even better. But it

865
00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:07,279
Speaker 1: is terrifying being out there every single week because you

866
00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:09,400
Speaker 1: don't know who's miked up and who's not, so you

867
00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:11,160
Speaker 1: gotta be very careful with what you say. I made

868
00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:13,960
Speaker 1: a comment to Maxima's caddy, Joe Grinder day. He just

869
00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:16,319
Speaker 1: starts laughing, and I go, you're miked up right now?

870
00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:18,080
Speaker 2: Yep. I'm like, damn it.

871
00:42:18,880 --> 00:42:21,719
Speaker 1: Guys like delete that looked for the guys.

872
00:42:22,880 --> 00:42:26,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I think it's great, and I mean it's

873
00:42:26,840 --> 00:42:29,240
Speaker 2: I mean, it shows what a nerd you are, because yeah,

874
00:42:29,320 --> 00:42:32,959
Speaker 2: I just gave the stats out forty two percent people

875
00:42:33,080 --> 00:42:36,359
Speaker 2: are watching more golf and thirty seven percent people are

876
00:42:36,520 --> 00:42:42,360
Speaker 2: following and searching et cetera players and golf on social

877
00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:44,640
Speaker 2: media sites. I think it's done a lot to grow

878
00:42:44,680 --> 00:42:50,120
Speaker 2: the game as well as the little thing called COVID

879
00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:54,719
Speaker 2: that happened. You know, it got more people playing and

880
00:42:54,800 --> 00:43:00,479
Speaker 2: so they're too four with more people following the best

881
00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:07,880
Speaker 2: players in the world live. Good for the game of golf.

882
00:43:08,560 --> 00:43:12,239
Speaker 1: Or no, it's been a disruptor obviously, and I think

883
00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:15,600
Speaker 1: it's that I think it brought I mean, like you

884
00:43:15,640 --> 00:43:18,279
Speaker 1: mentioned COVID, Like the only thing I think good that

885
00:43:18,320 --> 00:43:20,600
Speaker 1: came out of COVID was golf. I mean, the numbers

886
00:43:20,640 --> 00:43:23,279
Speaker 1: went nuts because we're all going stir crazy and wanted

887
00:43:23,280 --> 00:43:24,600
Speaker 1: to get out on the golf course, and so it

888
00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:26,879
Speaker 1: brought a lot of new people to the game live.

889
00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:30,080
Speaker 1: It's been a topic of conversation on every outlook right,

890
00:43:30,120 --> 00:43:33,960
Speaker 1: whether it's CNN, Fox News, Good Morning America, I mean,

891
00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:37,400
Speaker 1: the local coffee shop whatever. Like golf's being talked about

892
00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:39,799
Speaker 1: more than it ever has. So as far as attentionionalise,

893
00:43:39,880 --> 00:43:43,239
Speaker 1: it's great, but it's not all the best attention. I'm

894
00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:45,680
Speaker 1: not a fan of it, you know, I'm not crazy

895
00:43:45,680 --> 00:43:49,200
Speaker 1: about the problem at Yeah. Yeah, and I'm honest about that,

896
00:43:49,239 --> 00:43:52,080
Speaker 1: but it's it's not for me. I'm a traditional golf guy,

897
00:43:52,120 --> 00:43:55,520
Speaker 1: like I appreciate as a guy that struggled and grinded

898
00:43:55,600 --> 00:43:57,200
Speaker 1: out to make a cut every week. Like the cut

899
00:43:57,239 --> 00:43:59,439
Speaker 1: is a big part of the game. And you asked

900
00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:02,080
Speaker 1: Tiger what he his greatest you know record he holds

901
00:44:02,120 --> 00:44:04,200
Speaker 1: is it's the consecutive cut streak. But I think it's

902
00:44:04,239 --> 00:44:06,359
Speaker 1: like one hundred and forty five minits in a row.

903
00:44:06,480 --> 00:44:09,879
Speaker 1: That's just insane. Considering the longest active streak right now

904
00:44:09,880 --> 00:44:11,800
Speaker 1: in the PGA Tour, I believe it's twenty five and

905
00:44:11,880 --> 00:44:15,960
Speaker 1: it's ender shot, so it's it's insane, But you know,

906
00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:18,160
Speaker 1: it's just it's not for me. Like I don't like

907
00:44:18,200 --> 00:44:20,239
Speaker 1: the shot guns start, Like I like the leaders coming

908
00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:22,000
Speaker 1: down the stretch. At the same time, I like that

909
00:44:22,040 --> 00:44:24,800
Speaker 1: guy going out there and shooting sixty three on Sunday

910
00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:26,720
Speaker 1: and posting a low score and sitting there and waiting

911
00:44:26,719 --> 00:44:29,000
Speaker 1: to see if he has a chance. But look, it's

912
00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:31,000
Speaker 1: done a lot of Like it's brought new eyeballs to

913
00:44:31,040 --> 00:44:33,440
Speaker 1: the game of golf. It's brought a lot more money

914
00:44:33,520 --> 00:44:36,719
Speaker 1: to the professional players, which is fantastic. I just never

915
00:44:36,760 --> 00:44:39,200
Speaker 1: thought I would see anything like this happen in my day.

916
00:44:39,920 --> 00:44:43,480
Speaker 2: Right, there's a lot of political issues that have to

917
00:44:43,520 --> 00:44:48,920
Speaker 2: be and should be resolved. Will the merger happen? Do

918
00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:49,920
Speaker 2: you believe.

919
00:44:51,600 --> 00:44:54,799
Speaker 1: It needs to? I think for the PGA Tour, as

920
00:44:54,840 --> 00:44:57,759
Speaker 1: we've learned, you know, they can't compete dollar for dollar

921
00:44:58,160 --> 00:45:01,000
Speaker 1: with the PIF. I mean, there's just there's no nobody can.

922
00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:03,200
Speaker 1: So if you want to do that, if you want

923
00:45:03,200 --> 00:45:05,080
Speaker 1: to try to compete with them, you're gonna lose. So

924
00:45:05,160 --> 00:45:07,160
Speaker 1: I hope there's an agreement. Like all I want is

925
00:45:07,160 --> 00:45:09,279
Speaker 1: the best players in the world to play against each

926
00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:10,880
Speaker 1: other as often as possible.

927
00:45:11,040 --> 00:45:13,080
Speaker 2: That's I mean, that's all.

928
00:45:12,880 --> 00:45:14,920
Speaker 1: I care about. Like you, you know, out on the

929
00:45:14,920 --> 00:45:17,960
Speaker 1: PGA Tour, what events have juice and what events don't.

930
00:45:18,040 --> 00:45:20,440
Speaker 1: Like you get excited when ten on the top fifteen

931
00:45:20,480 --> 00:45:22,640
Speaker 1: in the world are there. The majors are special. I

932
00:45:22,640 --> 00:45:24,480
Speaker 1: always want those guys to be there in the majors,

933
00:45:24,680 --> 00:45:26,840
Speaker 1: but I would like to see them more often. I

934
00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:29,960
Speaker 1: miss Dustin Johnson, I miss bryceon de Shambo, even Patrick Reed.

935
00:45:30,040 --> 00:45:32,320
Speaker 1: He's a disruptor, like I mean, he's he's the villain.

936
00:45:32,360 --> 00:45:35,359
Speaker 1: Brooks Koepka is just a monster. Like those guys are

937
00:45:35,400 --> 00:45:37,399
Speaker 1: great for the game of golf. I want to see

938
00:45:37,440 --> 00:45:40,399
Speaker 1: him battle in Roy mclroy justin Thomas John Rome as

939
00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:41,360
Speaker 1: often as possible.

940
00:45:41,840 --> 00:45:46,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, and obviously not all of them. But as I

941
00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:51,640
Speaker 2: was talking to Charlie about this as well, like and

942
00:45:51,800 --> 00:45:55,520
Speaker 2: especially for you and your job, it's about the stories, right,

943
00:45:55,680 --> 00:45:59,719
Speaker 2: and it does feel like not all of them. And

944
00:46:00,200 --> 00:46:05,120
Speaker 2: I'm not endorsing this position. It's but a lot of

945
00:46:05,120 --> 00:46:10,360
Speaker 2: the villains left, yes, and that I think all sports

946
00:46:10,400 --> 00:46:15,320
Speaker 2: fans appreciate and want that. If the Yankees were gone,

947
00:46:16,080 --> 00:46:18,880
Speaker 2: it wouldn't be as much fun to be the Mariners

948
00:46:19,160 --> 00:46:22,320
Speaker 2: or whatever. You know what I mean. It's you want

949
00:46:22,360 --> 00:46:25,719
Speaker 2: a behemoth, or you want a personality that you can root,

950
00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:27,320
Speaker 2: you know, for or against.

951
00:46:28,200 --> 00:46:31,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, I use Brooks Skepka, and he's not I mean,

952
00:46:31,640 --> 00:46:33,520
Speaker 1: you can consider him a villain if you want, whatever

953
00:46:33,520 --> 00:46:35,959
Speaker 1: it is. But like when he shows up at major championships,

954
00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:38,839
Speaker 1: you know, he's the baddest man on the planet, right,

955
00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:41,840
Speaker 1: Like it is just I remember at Beth Page. He

956
00:46:41,880 --> 00:46:44,600
Speaker 1: goes out there and shoots sixty three on Thursday at

957
00:46:44,600 --> 00:46:47,600
Speaker 1: the PGA Championship, and every single person that field goes

958
00:46:47,840 --> 00:46:50,480
Speaker 1: we're screwed because brooks Kepka just went out and took

959
00:46:50,520 --> 00:46:52,640
Speaker 1: the lead. And he's one of those guys. He's a

960
00:46:52,640 --> 00:46:55,720
Speaker 1: polarizing figure. And you talk to other players and they're

961
00:46:55,760 --> 00:46:57,799
Speaker 1: just like, they hate to admit it, but they're like,

962
00:46:57,880 --> 00:47:01,200
Speaker 1: he is a problem when it comes to me, he's

963
00:47:01,239 --> 00:47:03,920
Speaker 1: that guy, and he's he's all business. He's not going

964
00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:06,120
Speaker 1: to give you these funny quotes or anything like that.

965
00:47:06,400 --> 00:47:08,640
Speaker 1: He said, my job is to show up, take care

966
00:47:08,680 --> 00:47:12,120
Speaker 1: of business, and lift another major championship trophy onto my mannle,

967
00:47:12,320 --> 00:47:15,479
Speaker 1: and he does it at a ridiculous rate. So yeah,

968
00:47:15,520 --> 00:47:18,719
Speaker 1: there's those guys like him. Even Patrick Reed, who I mean,

969
00:47:19,200 --> 00:47:22,400
Speaker 1: you know, has had all his situations throughout the years.

970
00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:25,000
Speaker 1: I mean bryceon de Shamba when he came back and

971
00:47:25,080 --> 00:47:27,480
Speaker 1: was driving three hundred and seventy yard grades and trying

972
00:47:27,480 --> 00:47:29,240
Speaker 1: to knock it on par fives and one like, people

973
00:47:29,360 --> 00:47:32,200
Speaker 1: loved seeing that, and he was different. I think you've

974
00:47:32,200 --> 00:47:34,640
Speaker 1: got to have those guys that are different to make

975
00:47:34,680 --> 00:47:37,120
Speaker 1: the sport interesting, right I'm not.

976
00:47:37,080 --> 00:47:41,279
Speaker 2: Talking about world rankings. Who's the best golfer on the

977
00:47:41,280 --> 00:47:42,120
Speaker 2: planet right now?

978
00:47:43,920 --> 00:47:46,640
Speaker 1: That is such a tough question, but I think you've

979
00:47:46,680 --> 00:47:49,680
Speaker 1: still got to go Scotti Sheffler. His ball striking numbers

980
00:47:49,680 --> 00:47:51,640
Speaker 1: are just insane. I know he's number one in the

981
00:47:51,640 --> 00:47:54,880
Speaker 1: world statistically, but like, nobody hits the golf ball the

982
00:47:54,920 --> 00:47:57,560
Speaker 1: way Scotty Scheffler does. If he puts it all like,

983
00:47:57,640 --> 00:47:59,640
Speaker 1: he wins by one hundred and there was two turns.

984
00:47:59,640 --> 00:48:03,040
Speaker 1: He went back tournaments this year at Colonial Memorial where

985
00:48:03,040 --> 00:48:04,880
Speaker 1: he missed out on a playoff by a shot and

986
00:48:05,040 --> 00:48:07,600
Speaker 1: was dead last in the field. He barely beat you

987
00:48:07,800 --> 00:48:10,160
Speaker 1: and putting for the league and lost by a shot.

988
00:48:10,280 --> 00:48:11,759
Speaker 1: Like I'm like, all you have to do is putt

989
00:48:11,760 --> 00:48:14,080
Speaker 1: better than one person and you walk away with this thing.

990
00:48:14,480 --> 00:48:17,120
Speaker 1: That's It's just that's how terrifying it is with how

991
00:48:17,160 --> 00:48:19,520
Speaker 1: good he hits the golf ball, because if he just

992
00:48:19,560 --> 00:48:21,000
Speaker 1: makes anything, you ain't beat.

993
00:48:20,840 --> 00:48:23,440
Speaker 2: It, right, that's your answer.

994
00:48:23,880 --> 00:48:26,959
Speaker 1: Yeah, My favorite to watch, like just like one part

995
00:48:27,080 --> 00:48:29,960
Speaker 1: is Roy McElroy drive the golf ball. It's like golden

996
00:48:30,040 --> 00:48:32,120
Speaker 1: d just spin it back and spin it forward and

997
00:48:32,120 --> 00:48:33,840
Speaker 1: it goes three thirty down the middle every time.

998
00:48:34,520 --> 00:48:39,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's fun. It's an interesting time to be a

999
00:48:39,880 --> 00:48:43,879
Speaker 2: golf fan. You're right in the middle of it. What's

1000
00:48:43,920 --> 00:48:46,719
Speaker 2: your favorite event to cover now, Masters?

1001
00:48:47,040 --> 00:48:48,879
Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely, you know, I haven't been on the main

1002
00:48:48,880 --> 00:48:51,200
Speaker 1: coverage of the Masters. I'm hoping that comes this year

1003
00:48:51,200 --> 00:48:54,040
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty four. Definitely going there every year. That

1004
00:48:54,160 --> 00:48:56,360
Speaker 1: is so special. But at home here, I mean it

1005
00:48:56,400 --> 00:49:00,000
Speaker 1: was my last event, the WM Phoenix Open. That atmosphere

1006
00:49:00,239 --> 00:49:01,799
Speaker 1: is just so cool. And when they put us down

1007
00:49:01,800 --> 00:49:04,560
Speaker 1: there on sixteen on Saturday, that is just so much

1008
00:49:04,600 --> 00:49:07,600
Speaker 1: fun getting involved with the crowd and it's just it's

1009
00:49:07,640 --> 00:49:11,200
Speaker 1: so unique. You don't other tournaments try to replicate that

1010
00:49:11,920 --> 00:49:15,359
Speaker 1: sixteen but there's only one WN Phoenix Open. It's such

1011
00:49:15,360 --> 00:49:17,960
Speaker 1: a fun week. It's a party that one's hard to beat.

1012
00:49:18,680 --> 00:49:25,160
Speaker 2: You have a show on Sirius XM. Gravy and the Sleeves. Yep,

1013
00:49:25,520 --> 00:49:29,600
Speaker 2: your nickname, Big Gravy? How did you get your nickname?

1014
00:49:29,680 --> 00:49:30,520
Speaker 2: Where to come from?

1015
00:49:30,920 --> 00:49:34,520
Speaker 1: So that all happened from Steve Elkington, per former professional

1016
00:49:34,600 --> 00:49:37,600
Speaker 1: golfer major champion. One day on Twitter, people are going

1017
00:49:37,640 --> 00:49:39,279
Speaker 1: back and forth and this guy's giving me a hard

1018
00:49:39,320 --> 00:49:40,920
Speaker 1: time and elk just chimes in. He's like, lay off,

1019
00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:43,200
Speaker 1: my man, Big Gravy, And I'm like.

1020
00:49:43,239 --> 00:49:44,560
Speaker 2: Where the hell did that come from?

1021
00:49:44,600 --> 00:49:46,480
Speaker 1: He's like, he's like, I'm a bourbon guy. He's like,

1022
00:49:46,480 --> 00:49:48,600
Speaker 1: there's a there's a really nice bourbon called Big Gravy.

1023
00:49:48,600 --> 00:49:49,680
Speaker 1: I love and I just feel like it kind of

1024
00:49:49,680 --> 00:49:51,440
Speaker 1: suits you, and it was one of the ones it

1025
00:49:51,520 --> 00:49:55,719
Speaker 1: just literally just took off out of nobody. So yeah,

1026
00:49:55,760 --> 00:49:57,800
Speaker 1: I got to give Elkington all the credit. It's just

1027
00:49:57,840 --> 00:50:00,200
Speaker 1: one of those nicknames that went. It wasn't the most

1028
00:50:00,239 --> 00:50:03,680
Speaker 1: flattering thing I would say, but it's still yeah, and

1029
00:50:03,760 --> 00:50:05,360
Speaker 1: I kind of like it now Now I just don't it.

1030
00:50:07,920 --> 00:50:12,520
Speaker 2: I like it. You you enjoy doing the show still.

1031
00:50:13,040 --> 00:50:15,160
Speaker 2: I mean you're like the busiest man in golf too.

1032
00:50:15,200 --> 00:50:17,719
Speaker 2: I mean you talk about not wanting to grind and

1033
00:50:17,800 --> 00:50:20,839
Speaker 2: hit balls anymore, tried to work on the corn Ferry tour.

1034
00:50:20,920 --> 00:50:25,000
Speaker 2: But I mean, you've got your amazing podcast that is

1035
00:50:25,040 --> 00:50:28,240
Speaker 2: about to have a very special guest, very special golf's

1036
00:50:28,600 --> 00:50:32,640
Speaker 2: subpar with Drew Stolt, You've got gravy in the sleeves.

1037
00:50:33,040 --> 00:50:36,279
Speaker 2: So this is this is the same show that you

1038
00:50:36,320 --> 00:50:38,680
Speaker 2: were offered for Serious when you retired, right.

1039
00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:41,879
Speaker 1: Yeah, So I got offered this Serious xim at La.

1040
00:50:41,960 --> 00:50:44,879
Speaker 1: I was doing TV, just my first ever TV event,

1041
00:50:44,880 --> 00:50:47,879
Speaker 1: and Scott Greenstein from Serious XM Game called and said,

1042
00:50:47,880 --> 00:50:50,480
Speaker 1: would you want to show? And I'm like, I mean, gods,

1043
00:50:50,480 --> 00:50:52,560
Speaker 1: Slees and I had been talking about doing a show

1044
00:50:52,560 --> 00:50:54,359
Speaker 1: together for years, just never knew how to get one,

1045
00:50:54,400 --> 00:50:56,440
Speaker 1: and then Yeah. We started out it one day a

1046
00:50:56,440 --> 00:50:59,200
Speaker 1: week for an hour, quickly went to three, three days

1047
00:50:59,200 --> 00:51:00,520
Speaker 1: a week for two hours. They want us to go

1048
00:51:00,520 --> 00:51:02,960
Speaker 1: to five, but I don't have time for that. But man,

1049
00:51:03,280 --> 00:51:06,719
Speaker 1: I love it. It's Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, so I have

1050
00:51:06,719 --> 00:51:09,400
Speaker 1: to miss shows it occasionally for travel. But I honestly

1051
00:51:09,440 --> 00:51:11,880
Speaker 1: tell people, like, I think doing the Serious XM in

1052
00:51:11,960 --> 00:51:15,080
Speaker 1: the podcast makes me better on CBS because I have

1053
00:51:15,160 --> 00:51:17,000
Speaker 1: to talk about everything that's going on in the game

1054
00:51:17,000 --> 00:51:19,640
Speaker 1: of golf right between those two shows, so it, you know,

1055
00:51:19,719 --> 00:51:21,640
Speaker 1: informs me on a lot more things like I know

1056
00:51:21,640 --> 00:51:24,520
Speaker 1: those crazy numbers about Netflix and stuff like that, or

1057
00:51:24,520 --> 00:51:27,000
Speaker 1: I don't think I normally would, right, Yeah, I mean

1058
00:51:27,440 --> 00:51:30,120
Speaker 1: the Serious ExM. It's nine to eleven in Scottsdale, so

1059
00:51:30,200 --> 00:51:32,960
Speaker 1: I wake up, have some coffee, stroll into my office,

1060
00:51:33,040 --> 00:51:35,080
Speaker 1: Drew comes over and we just sit here and it's

1061
00:51:35,120 --> 00:51:37,399
Speaker 1: like two buddies just talking back and forth for two

1062
00:51:37,400 --> 00:51:38,560
Speaker 1: hours and we get paid to do it.

1063
00:51:38,560 --> 00:51:44,279
Speaker 2: It's insane. It's great. You're amazing to listen to. You

1064
00:51:44,400 --> 00:51:47,520
Speaker 2: offer so many insights. Again, I know to people who

1065
00:51:47,600 --> 00:51:49,799
Speaker 2: don't know golf well, but even those who do are

1066
00:51:50,080 --> 00:51:53,680
Speaker 2: constantly listening to what you have to say. It should

1067
00:51:53,719 --> 00:51:58,239
Speaker 2: be mentioned this year you made your first trip to

1068
00:51:59,000 --> 00:52:04,160
Speaker 2: beautiful my favorite place on the planet, the American Century

1069
00:52:04,760 --> 00:52:09,360
Speaker 2: Golf Championship in beautiful Lake Tahoe.

1070
00:52:10,200 --> 00:52:11,440
Speaker 1: Do you want to see something amazing?

1071
00:52:12,040 --> 00:52:12,120
Speaker 2: What?

1072
00:52:12,480 --> 00:52:15,719
Speaker 1: So? I was literally getting ready for this show and

1073
00:52:15,760 --> 00:52:17,520
Speaker 1: I was on a trip to South Carolina yes day.

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Speaker 1: So I was pulling my backpack or stuff out of

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Speaker 1: my backpack and I find this ship from Harras. I

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Speaker 1: can't make this up, Harris Tahoe one hundred dollars.

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Speaker 2: That is a one dollar from Harra's in Lake Tahoe.

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Speaker 1: Wow, hilarious. That means I have to go back next

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Speaker 1: year so I can cash this out.

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00:52:37,280 --> 00:52:39,480
Speaker 2: You have to cash it, you have to catch it out.

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Speaker 2: Did you enjoy being.

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Speaker 1: There the greatest week of the year. Honestly, I'd heard

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Speaker 1: stories I was going up there. We flew up there

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Speaker 1: on Tuesday or Wednesday, Sleaz and I did a deal

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00:52:51,600 --> 00:52:54,479
Speaker 1: for Corbell and the Long Drive. Yes, on sixteen there.

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00:52:54,560 --> 00:52:56,839
Speaker 1: And then my good buddy Alex Klorn, who was making

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Speaker 1: his first appearance two times Stanley Cup champion, He's like,

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00:52:59,600 --> 00:53:02,399
Speaker 1: would you want to Caddy? But I'm like God, it's

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00:53:02,400 --> 00:53:04,880
Speaker 1: one hundred and forty degrees in Scott's Still I'm like, sure,

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Speaker 1: I'll caddy for you. We end up playing great the

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Speaker 1: first day, get paired with Steph Curry in the last

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00:53:10,760 --> 00:53:12,880
Speaker 1: group on Saturday. It makes the hole in one on

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00:53:12,960 --> 00:53:15,839
Speaker 1: eight like it was such a fun week. I knew

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00:53:15,840 --> 00:53:18,240
Speaker 1: it was gonna be fun, but it blew me away.

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Speaker 1: That is seriously, I see why y'all have so much

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00:53:21,520 --> 00:53:23,359
Speaker 1: fun and see why you look forward to it every year.

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Speaker 1: I mean that scene on seventeen when we came through

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00:53:25,920 --> 00:53:28,080
Speaker 1: there on Saturday, I'm like, this is this is like

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Speaker 1: playing with Tiger right now, with Steph Curry out here

1100
00:53:30,160 --> 00:53:33,520
Speaker 1: and all these people. Man, they do a great job there.

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00:53:33,560 --> 00:53:36,080
Speaker 1: That is, if you ever get a chance to go,

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Speaker 1: for those listening, you gotta go. It's a blast.

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Speaker 2: Where would you put it ranking wise as a as

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00:53:43,160 --> 00:53:45,399
Speaker 2: a I understand it's not a PGA Tour event. I'm

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00:53:45,480 --> 00:53:49,000
Speaker 2: well aware they let me play, but what but what

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Speaker 2: where would you.

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Speaker 1: Rank it as far as just fun? I don't know

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00:53:52,160 --> 00:53:54,279
Speaker 1: if you can beat it, Like you can't beat it.

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Speaker 1: I mean with all you guys, I mean some the

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00:53:57,560 --> 00:54:01,400
Speaker 1: names that play in this tournament. You Charles Parkley, Aaron Rodgers.

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00:54:01,520 --> 00:54:04,080
Speaker 1: I mean, the list goes on and on. Steph Curry

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Speaker 1: justin Timberlake's played in the past. Like to see those

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00:54:07,200 --> 00:54:08,960
Speaker 1: guys up close and personal. Then you see him in

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Speaker 1: the casino afterwards. Travis Kelsey, by the way, who's probably

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00:54:12,040 --> 00:54:14,440
Speaker 1: MVP every year, puts on an absolute show.

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Speaker 2: He put a show.

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Speaker 1: You can't you can't make it up, like it's fantasy

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Speaker 1: lamp like. Yeah, I'm making sure my CBS schedule does

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Speaker 1: not conflict with whatever American Century at Lake Tahoe, Like,

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Speaker 1: I gotta be there every year.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's a great time. Well, it's always the

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00:54:30,120 --> 00:54:32,600
Speaker 2: same week, just so you know, so.

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Speaker 1: I believe it's opposite Scottish Open. It's the week before

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Speaker 1: the British Open, the British Op. Yeah, so it's opposite

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Speaker 1: the Scottish Open, which just so happens. We have eighteen

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Speaker 1: events next year for CBS. I get seventeen of them,

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Speaker 1: and I happen to have the Scottish Open off, So.

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Speaker 2: So I'll see in Lake Tahoe. Oh baby, shoot, wait,

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Speaker 2: you know what's interesting to me and no one else

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00:54:55,480 --> 00:54:58,280
Speaker 2: the Americans said, I've never talked about this before. I don't,

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Speaker 2: probably because nobody would be interested by that. Tournament in

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00:55:01,719 --> 00:55:05,640
Speaker 2: a way was built because NBC did not have the

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Speaker 2: British Open, so it was counter programming to the British.

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Speaker 2: It was the same weekend on NBC versus your employer Cbah.

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Speaker 1: Well, it was a rather good idea whoever came up.

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Speaker 2: With it, because John Miller, my friend, my.

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Speaker 1: God, I mean, that is a show. I mean, between

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Speaker 1: the golf, everything going on at night, can't beat. It's

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Speaker 1: the best week of the year. It takes ten years

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Speaker 1: off your life, but it's a lot of fun.

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Speaker 2: You haven't aged a bit. Colt, thank you so much

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Speaker 2: for coming on. Check out Colt's podcast Golf Subpar, as

1143
00:55:41,920 --> 00:55:46,360
Speaker 2: well as Gravy and the Sleeves on Serious XM. And

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Speaker 2: of course you can hear my good friend doing the

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Speaker 2: best work in professional golf on CBS, not the lead commentator,

1146
00:55:55,880 --> 00:56:00,759
Speaker 2: but an on course correspondent for CBS. Check him out

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00:56:00,800 --> 00:56:04,880
Speaker 2: at least if they have the tournament and not NBC. Cold,

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Speaker 2: thanks a lot, my friend.

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Speaker 1: You got it, ma man anytime. Thank you so much

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Speaker 1: for having me.

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Speaker 2: Cold. Thank you, my friend, thanks for joining me, and

1152
00:56:24,200 --> 00:56:29,799
Speaker 2: thank you for bringing some personality and incredible knowledge to

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Speaker 2: those who like to watch the game of golf. Unfortunately,

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Speaker 2: I have to report that since we recorded this conversation,

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Speaker 2: Team USA did not win the Wryter Cup. But hey,

1156
00:56:42,360 --> 00:56:45,239
Speaker 2: cold got to go to Italy, so it's not all bad.

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Speaker 2: And Resid assured we will see the Europeans back on

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Speaker 2: American soil in two years. Guess what, you don't have

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Speaker 2: to wait two years for me. I'll be back next week,

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Speaker 2: same time, same podcast. I hope you will. We'll be

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Speaker 2: here too. Until then, Yeah, have a fantastic week. Off

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Speaker 2: the Beat is hosted and executive produced by me Brian Baumgartner,

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Speaker 2: alongside our executive producer Lang Lee. Our senior producer is

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Speaker 2: Diego Tapia. Our producers are Liz Hayes, Hannah Harris, and

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Speaker 2: Emily Carr. Our talent producer is Ryan Papa Zachary, and

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