WEBVTT - Death & Deceit in Alliance | 4. The Trial 0:00:00.080 --> 0:00:03.760 Hither. It's Steve Fishman with Orbit Media. We're back with 0:00:03.960 --> 0:00:07.680 another episode of Death and Deceit in Alliance. I hope 0:00:07.680 --> 0:00:11.320 you're enjoying the show. Just a quick message for access 0:00:11.360 --> 0:00:14.600 to all fourteen episodes ad free and all at once. 0:00:14.960 --> 0:00:18.560 Subscribe with Apple Podcasts on our show page. 0:00:20.520 --> 0:00:23.200 Previously on Death and Deceit in Alliance. 0:00:23.520 --> 0:00:25.840 Found in a pool of her own blood, she said 0:00:25.880 --> 0:00:27.000 she was murdered. 0:00:26.600 --> 0:00:28.520 And I I mean, you could have just knocked me 0:00:28.560 --> 0:00:29.440 over right now. 0:00:29.560 --> 0:00:31.560 They tell me these pretty body seene in there so 0:00:32.000 --> 0:00:34.480 gloves end boys on this one. That's I mean, there's 0:00:34.520 --> 0:00:37.159 just a massive amount of blood around her face, like 0:00:37.280 --> 0:00:37.960 shock and awe. 0:00:38.280 --> 0:00:41.160 It's like as if it's not even real, like something 0:00:41.240 --> 0:00:42.000 has to be wrong. 0:00:42.800 --> 0:00:43.559 And then one. 0:00:43.440 --> 0:00:46.160 Day I just lost everything and I didn't care about 0:00:46.159 --> 0:00:46.920 life no more. 0:00:46.960 --> 0:00:49.760 And David knew about it, even took advantage of me. 0:00:58.520 --> 0:01:01.640 This is Death and Deceit and Alliance, a real time 0:01:01.720 --> 0:01:07.959 investigation into whether David Thorne killed Yvonne Lane. I'm Maggie Freeling. 0:01:14.440 --> 0:01:19.120 Joe Wilkes. Is the entire case against David Thorn. Police 0:01:19.360 --> 0:01:24.200 prosecutors and David all agree David was not the actual 0:01:24.280 --> 0:01:28.200 murderer because he was towns away at a martial arts class. 0:01:28.840 --> 0:01:32.880 But to police and prosecutors, this didn't mean David was innocent. 0:01:33.319 --> 0:01:37.080 It simply meant there must have been an accomplice, someone 0:01:37.200 --> 0:01:41.080 David hired to have Yvonne Lane killed, and that person, 0:01:41.160 --> 0:01:47.119 they said was his friend. Joe Wilkes. The man known 0:01:47.200 --> 0:01:50.360 as Joseph Isaac Wilkes grew up in a small Ohio 0:01:50.360 --> 0:01:54.200 town called Dover, about eighty five miles south of Cleveland. 0:01:54.920 --> 0:01:59.080 He was born Joseph Isaac Brown June fifth, nineteen eighty 0:01:59.240 --> 0:02:04.000 to Dorothy and Isaac Brown. It was a terrible upbringing, 0:02:04.120 --> 0:02:08.239 as Joe explained in his trial testimony. Joe had two siblings, 0:02:08.360 --> 0:02:11.560 Jennifer and Jason. Joe said that he only lived with 0:02:11.600 --> 0:02:14.840 his biological parents for a year and a half because 0:02:14.880 --> 0:02:18.359 his father threw his little brother down the stairs, breaking 0:02:18.440 --> 0:02:22.919 both of his wrists, arm and fracturing his skull. All 0:02:22.960 --> 0:02:26.880 three kids were put into foster homes. In kindergarten, Joe 0:02:26.919 --> 0:02:33.120 was psychologically evaluated and labeled as quote behaviorally handicapped and 0:02:33.240 --> 0:02:39.200 emotionally disturbed, and thus he was placed in special education classes. 0:02:40.880 --> 0:02:44.000 Around this time, at five years old, Joe was able 0:02:44.040 --> 0:02:46.560 to go back and live with his biological mother again, 0:02:46.960 --> 0:02:51.359 but things didn't improve. At nine, Joe was put back 0:02:51.360 --> 0:02:53.920 into foster care. He said he was taken out of 0:02:54.000 --> 0:02:58.959 his mother's home because quote, they were abusive physically, emotionally, 0:02:59.280 --> 0:03:04.240 and sexual. It's unclear who Joe meant by they. He 0:03:04.440 --> 0:03:07.840 and his biological siblings were eventually adopted when Joe was 0:03:07.960 --> 0:03:13.120 twelve by Sterling and Brenda Wilkes from Atwater. Atwater is 0:03:13.240 --> 0:03:17.600 just fifteen minutes from Alliance. Joe's life seemed better with 0:03:17.680 --> 0:03:21.480 the Wilkeses, but the damage from his past was severe. 0:03:21.520 --> 0:03:25.440 In ninth grade, Joe was evaluated again. A report on 0:03:25.520 --> 0:03:31.400 the evaluation says Joe had an inability to maintain interpersonal relationships, 0:03:31.800 --> 0:03:38.000 show's inappropriate behavior or feelings under normal circumstances, pervasive feelings 0:03:38.080 --> 0:03:42.800 of unhappiness or depression, and a tendency to develop physical 0:03:42.840 --> 0:03:48.680 symptoms or fear associated with personal or school problems. The 0:03:48.800 --> 0:03:55.480 reportless behaviors such as nervousness, twitching, lying, cheating, and mood changes. 0:03:56.160 --> 0:03:59.640 It says Joe was secretive and felt worthless, that he 0:03:59.720 --> 0:04:03.320 got lonely and could be clingy. It also says he 0:04:03.400 --> 0:04:07.760 has a reoccurring fear of doing bad and often acted 0:04:07.840 --> 0:04:12.320 to please other people. Joe had motor skill problems too, 0:04:12.640 --> 0:04:17.680 and was reportedly shaky even when he wasn't nervous. Doctors 0:04:17.880 --> 0:04:21.880 also noted that Joe often had negative feelings towards himself 0:04:22.279 --> 0:04:26.200 and would say things like I'm stupid and you must 0:04:26.240 --> 0:04:31.800 have me confused with someone smart. At fourteen, the shaky, twitchy, 0:04:32.200 --> 0:04:36.159 traumatized teen entered high school and was a target of 0:04:36.279 --> 0:04:38.680 bullies and the butt of jokes. 0:04:39.080 --> 0:04:40.920 Here's kind of a loner, didn't really have a lot 0:04:40.920 --> 0:04:47.520 of friends. I kind of felt bad for him, kind 0:04:47.520 --> 0:04:50.560 of like a I don't know, I have a soft 0:04:50.560 --> 0:04:51.279 spot for people. 0:04:51.320 --> 0:04:51.520 You know. 0:04:51.560 --> 0:04:53.919 He didn't want to have your best home life. 0:04:54.279 --> 0:04:57.520 This is Josh McComb, who you heard last episode, one 0:04:57.560 --> 0:05:00.000 of the kids the police asked about Yvan's mur. 0:05:00.040 --> 0:05:02.440 He was a little smartest kid. He wasn't you know. 0:05:04.080 --> 0:05:06.040 She Mi Ka was all right, but he just didn't 0:05:06.240 --> 0:05:07.120 have a lot of friends. 0:05:07.279 --> 0:05:10.440 Joe testified that he became involved in drugs like acid 0:05:10.520 --> 0:05:14.920 and cocaine and eventually wound up homeless. This is when 0:05:14.960 --> 0:05:17.719 he met David. Joe said they met at a party 0:05:17.760 --> 0:05:21.400 through a friend and eventually they started hanging out. Josh 0:05:21.480 --> 0:05:25.000 McComb was friends with David and eventually started hanging around 0:05:25.040 --> 0:05:26.360 Joe too. 0:05:32.279 --> 0:05:39.000 I actually met Joe through my sister. They were he 0:05:39.040 --> 0:05:43.160 was in the younger grade, so my sister hung out 0:05:43.200 --> 0:05:46.719 at his house and at some point I don't remember 0:05:46.720 --> 0:05:47.720 when I ended up. 0:05:47.760 --> 0:05:48.800 Hanging out over there too. 0:05:49.960 --> 0:05:53.159 She didn't have, you know, good parents. 0:05:53.760 --> 0:05:54.200 He didn't. 0:05:54.279 --> 0:05:58.960 I don't remember ever seeing his dad around. His adopted dad, 0:06:01.000 --> 0:06:01.720 and he's fall back. 0:06:02.560 --> 0:06:06.120 Joe was younger than David by nearly a decade, so 0:06:06.160 --> 0:06:08.960 he was like a big brother figure. As David said 0:06:09.000 --> 0:06:12.520 in the last episode, he also felt bad for Joe 0:06:12.720 --> 0:06:15.320 and would try to help him in any way he could, 0:06:15.839 --> 0:06:19.000 from giving him rides to letting him sleep on his couch. 0:06:19.400 --> 0:06:22.679 David had his own place. David says he even bought 0:06:22.760 --> 0:06:26.719 Joe his first car in October nineteen ninety eight or seven, 0:06:27.440 --> 0:06:31.240 a Volkswagen Rabbit for three hundred dollars, So it's not 0:06:31.279 --> 0:06:36.160 surprising that Joe was said to idolize David. That was 0:06:36.360 --> 0:06:39.040 just the kind of person I've been told David was, 0:06:39.480 --> 0:06:42.279 even by Josh, who was also younger than David. 0:06:42.800 --> 0:06:44.520 David was kind of like a big brother to all 0:06:44.560 --> 0:06:44.880 of us. 0:06:45.120 --> 0:06:47.600 By this time, Joe was spending a lot of time 0:06:47.640 --> 0:06:52.360 around David, and David started teaching Joe martial arts. Joe 0:06:52.440 --> 0:06:55.960 was picked on his entire life, and it was probably empowering, 0:06:56.240 --> 0:06:59.719 like now he could fight back. Josh said, Joe was 0:06:59.800 --> 0:07:01.160 not a natural fighter. 0:07:01.520 --> 0:07:05.160 Didn't have guts, you know, he didn't have like I 0:07:05.200 --> 0:07:06.880 don't think the kid ever been in a fight in 0:07:06.880 --> 0:07:09.840 his life, and I don't, you know, he got in 0:07:09.880 --> 0:07:13.560 trouble and stuff, and I know that he just wasn't 0:07:13.560 --> 0:07:14.160 a violent kid. 0:07:14.240 --> 0:07:14.600 He wasn't. 0:07:14.680 --> 0:07:18.040 Although around this time Joe's behavior did start to turn 0:07:18.120 --> 0:07:23.880 to mischief. What I found to be a quiet, victimized, 0:07:23.960 --> 0:07:27.880 keep to himself kid pleaded guilty to stealing shoes on 0:07:28.000 --> 0:07:31.440 January twenty first, nineteen ninety nine, when he would have 0:07:31.480 --> 0:07:35.480 been eighteen. This is the first criminal record I can 0:07:35.520 --> 0:07:39.440 find for Joe. And of course Joe was poor fending 0:07:39.440 --> 0:07:44.600 for himself, and he probably just needed new shoes. Through 0:07:44.680 --> 0:07:47.920 this time, Joe was still attending public school, but he 0:07:48.040 --> 0:07:51.440 left in eleventh grade and joined a vocational school, the 0:07:51.480 --> 0:07:55.080 same one David and Yvonne attended, but the vocational school 0:07:55.160 --> 0:07:57.640 was short lived. Joe got in a fight with a 0:07:57.640 --> 0:08:00.560 boy named Chris Campbell, who is a huge, huge part 0:08:00.560 --> 0:08:03.560 of the story. We'll get to him later. After the fight, 0:08:03.880 --> 0:08:07.480 Joe was sent to a behavioral school. Finally, in the 0:08:07.520 --> 0:08:12.000 spring of nineteen ninety eight, Joe's senior year, he dropped 0:08:12.000 --> 0:08:16.360 out of vocational school and he was done with school altogether. 0:08:17.080 --> 0:08:19.600 And I just want to say that all of this 0:08:19.840 --> 0:08:24.680 breaks my heart. Joe doesn't seem like a particularly bad kid, 0:08:25.120 --> 0:08:29.400 just troubled. Joe was also a good looking kid, handsome, 0:08:29.640 --> 0:08:33.360 six foot four, athletic. He seems like he had a 0:08:33.440 --> 0:08:37.480 lot of potential. After he dropped out of school, Joe 0:08:37.520 --> 0:08:41.040 wasn't working. In fact, it doesn't seem like he ever 0:08:41.120 --> 0:08:43.800 worked much. He said he worked at a restaurant for 0:08:43.800 --> 0:08:46.280 a month when he was sixteen, and then after that 0:08:46.520 --> 0:08:50.000 he'd done random construction jobs with his grandpa. At the 0:08:50.080 --> 0:08:53.120 time he was arrested, he said he was supporting himself 0:08:53.120 --> 0:08:56.720 through his girlfriends and the kindness of people like David 0:08:56.960 --> 0:09:00.520 and Josh. After a bad breakup Joe, Joe moved in 0:09:00.520 --> 0:09:03.959 with his friend Summer Enoch and her parents, Karen and Brent. 0:09:04.760 --> 0:09:08.199 Karen testified they were okay helping Joe get on his feet, 0:09:08.320 --> 0:09:10.400 but if he was going to stay with them, he 0:09:10.480 --> 0:09:13.520 needed to get a job and follow their rules, like 0:09:13.600 --> 0:09:15.680 letting them know he'd be home for dinner if he 0:09:15.760 --> 0:09:19.520 was working, stuff like that. But he didn't follow any 0:09:19.600 --> 0:09:22.640 of the rules or get a job, and Joe wound 0:09:22.720 --> 0:09:25.840 up on the street again. Yvonne's body was discovered on 0:09:25.920 --> 0:09:29.440 April first, nineteen ninety nine. Joe was kicked out of 0:09:29.480 --> 0:09:33.560 Karen's house in May. In July, Joe was arrested for 0:09:33.640 --> 0:09:37.160 criminal mischief. He was convicted in order to pay a 0:09:37.280 --> 0:09:41.520 three thousand dollars fine and released just a week later. 0:09:41.800 --> 0:09:45.080 Joe says he was out partying, drinking, doing coke, and 0:09:45.160 --> 0:09:49.240 dropping acid. He was having a typical Joe night and 0:09:49.280 --> 0:09:53.800 it would be the last one he'd ever have. Meanwhile, 0:09:54.120 --> 0:09:56.920 the police had received a tip which led to a 0:09:56.960 --> 0:09:58.800 young woman named Rose Moore. 0:10:02.520 --> 0:10:07.680 I de kepted William Lucklow interviewing Rose More also president 0:10:07.800 --> 0:10:10.600 in Sorry protecting Buck Sampson. If you just go ahead 0:10:10.600 --> 0:10:15.040 and tell me what you what transpired several months ago 0:10:15.040 --> 0:10:17.120 along with your boyfriend Chris Campbell. 0:10:18.240 --> 0:10:18.560 Okay. 0:10:19.520 --> 0:10:22.800 Twenty three year old Rose told officers that she and 0:10:22.840 --> 0:10:25.440 her boyfriend Chris Campbell were in the food court at 0:10:25.440 --> 0:10:28.040 the Carnation Mall on April thirty. 0:10:28.120 --> 0:10:34.200 First went in the Cathay court waiting on my dad 0:10:34.559 --> 0:10:36.800 and you got something to eat? I think its be 0:10:36.840 --> 0:10:37.960 French fried or something. 0:10:38.440 --> 0:10:41.320 Rose says they bumped into Joe Wilkes. She didn't remember 0:10:41.360 --> 0:10:44.320 the time, but it was dark out and likely after work. 0:10:44.840 --> 0:10:47.160 Rose and Chris worked at a telemarketing center in the 0:10:47.160 --> 0:10:50.840 Carnation Mall. Chris Campbell knew Joe from school and the 0:10:50.840 --> 0:10:54.760 three of them started talking. Remember Chris was the kid 0:10:54.880 --> 0:10:57.920 Joe got into a fight with just a few months earlier, 0:10:58.559 --> 0:11:01.560 the fight that got Joe kicked out a vocational school. 0:11:02.080 --> 0:11:05.520 Since Joe was from Atwater, Chris asked him what he 0:11:05.640 --> 0:11:06.679 was doing in Alliance. 0:11:07.000 --> 0:11:09.760 Joe said that he had a job to do that 0:11:10.120 --> 0:11:12.559 some guys telling him to stay at the Tyeford in 0:11:13.000 --> 0:11:17.719 for the weekend, and he said, you know, well, he 0:11:17.800 --> 0:11:20.199 really got off the subject because Chrits kept trying to 0:11:20.240 --> 0:11:22.080 get it out of him what he was there for. 0:11:22.800 --> 0:11:25.440 And I think he went to say and Chris, you know, 0:11:25.520 --> 0:11:27.199 kept saying, well, I'm your friend, you know you can 0:11:27.240 --> 0:11:30.800 trust me, And then he got off the subject started 0:11:30.800 --> 0:11:34.200 talking about like the next Joe did, and then Chris 0:11:34.240 --> 0:11:37.760 started up again and next and you know, well, what 0:11:37.760 --> 0:11:40.920 what okay job are you here to do? And they said, well, 0:11:41.120 --> 0:11:44.439 some guy paid me to kills some girl an Alliance. 0:11:44.880 --> 0:11:50.360 And he didn't say anything. You're making a prince and around. 0:11:50.520 --> 0:11:54.880 I'm not glad to Joe responded that some guy paid 0:11:54.960 --> 0:11:58.160 him to kill a girl in Alliance and was paid 0:11:58.400 --> 0:12:01.360 three hundred dollars up front. He said the guy who 0:12:01.440 --> 0:12:04.080 was paying him also paid for his room at the 0:12:04.080 --> 0:12:07.760 Comfort in that night to stay in Alliance. The Comfort 0:12:07.800 --> 0:12:11.360 Inn was inside the mall. Rose told police that then 0:12:11.920 --> 0:12:15.040 Joe pulled out a knife from a sheath and showed 0:12:15.080 --> 0:12:15.440 it to. 0:12:15.360 --> 0:12:18.600 Them, and he showed it the knife that he had 0:12:18.640 --> 0:12:21.360 on it. I think he was the next clocket and 0:12:21.640 --> 0:12:23.480 it was it looked like a honey knife. 0:12:23.520 --> 0:12:23.720 To me. 0:12:23.800 --> 0:12:25.800 It wasn't an clock at night. It was bigger than that. 0:12:26.760 --> 0:12:28.520 And he showed it and he said it that that 0:12:28.600 --> 0:12:31.840 he was basically killer d it was. It was better 0:12:31.920 --> 0:12:35.200 than a clock at knife. It looked like honey knife 0:12:35.200 --> 0:12:35.400 to me. 0:12:38.200 --> 0:12:41.120 A letter sheet, but it. 0:12:41.080 --> 0:12:44.040 Might have been. I'm not really like tig, but it 0:12:44.080 --> 0:12:47.240 could have been. I think it was because when he 0:12:47.320 --> 0:12:49.680 told it outthing went like that, how long do you 0:12:49.679 --> 0:12:49.880 think it? 0:12:50.000 --> 0:12:56.000 Like? Well, I got that bag. 0:12:58.800 --> 0:13:03.360 About eight inches is remember that because Joe later said 0:13:03.559 --> 0:13:06.800 he had a pocket knife. Then Rose said, after a 0:13:06.840 --> 0:13:09.520 few more minutes of conversation with Joe, he wrote his 0:13:09.640 --> 0:13:11.959 name and page your number on a card for Chris 0:13:11.960 --> 0:13:14.600 to have for the future. Rose told police that's when 0:13:14.600 --> 0:13:16.960 her dad showed up to pick them up and they left. 0:13:17.840 --> 0:13:21.160 Rose also described what Joe was wearing well. 0:13:21.120 --> 0:13:23.559 At the moment after from he had the Nike y 0:13:23.559 --> 0:13:25.800 app been on it as it was like a light 0:13:26.640 --> 0:13:28.560 try white, black and blue. I'm not clogging on the 0:13:28.559 --> 0:13:30.319 colors that I know. It was white for sure. It 0:13:30.440 --> 0:13:33.000 was like a white jacket and he had like a 0:13:33.040 --> 0:13:35.520 white paint top underneath that I think, and she had 0:13:35.559 --> 0:13:39.000 white pants and white pants things like Nike. You can't 0:13:39.280 --> 0:13:43.920 why you haven't come forward because I've been scared for 0:13:44.040 --> 0:13:47.959 my life because Chris Campbell told me if I said anything, 0:13:48.000 --> 0:13:50.600 and he didn't come after me. And that's why I've 0:13:50.600 --> 0:13:53.800 been scared, because I don't want to die. Sure, I'm 0:13:54.000 --> 0:13:54.680 children to raise. 0:13:56.320 --> 0:13:59.720 They ended the conversation shortly after that. Two days later, 0:14:00.280 --> 0:14:04.280 police were looking for Joe and found him hungover at 0:14:04.280 --> 0:14:07.840 a friend's house after the night of partying and brought 0:14:07.960 --> 0:14:16.839 him in for questioning. Joe said the police drove him 0:14:16.840 --> 0:14:20.000 to the station and read him his miranda rights, although 0:14:20.280 --> 0:14:23.160 he was not under arrest at the time. The detectives 0:14:23.200 --> 0:14:26.040 in the room with Joe were Bud Samson, William Mucklow, 0:14:26.280 --> 0:14:30.280 and John Leech. In a deposition, Joe was asked whether 0:14:30.320 --> 0:14:34.560 he remembered being interviewed by the police, and Joe responded, quote, 0:14:34.760 --> 0:14:39.680 they never interviewed me. They interrogated me the whole time 0:14:39.760 --> 0:14:43.000 they were interrogating me before they pushed the play button. 0:14:43.680 --> 0:14:47.640 Joe's statement was recorded over two days. 0:14:48.280 --> 0:14:51.600 Today date of July fourteenth, nineteen ninety nine, Wednesday. It's 0:14:51.680 --> 0:14:55.240 thirteen or nine hours. My namely Detective Bug Sampson where 0:14:55.360 --> 0:14:58.280 they were bent a police department interview room. I want 0:14:58.320 --> 0:15:01.200 me to Detective William Mucklow and Detective John Leah of 0:15:01.200 --> 0:15:02.360 the Alliance Police Department. 0:15:02.880 --> 0:15:06.320 Also in the room is Joseph Isaac Books. 0:15:06.800 --> 0:15:09.800 In the recording, police read Joe his Miranda writes on 0:15:09.880 --> 0:15:13.560 record and then got right to the point, can. 0:15:13.360 --> 0:15:14.400 You tell us your part in this. 0:15:17.360 --> 0:15:21.880 Damn Roddie all did about four years now he's been 0:15:21.880 --> 0:15:27.880 training me in shoot fighting, and he's always been talking 0:15:27.960 --> 0:15:30.920 to me like how long she was since that one 0:15:30.920 --> 0:15:32.240 of the ones out of his life and then he 0:15:32.320 --> 0:15:33.480 can have his little boy. 0:15:33.600 --> 0:15:34.080 And then. 0:15:35.840 --> 0:15:37.720 For years I told him to cheat me out then 0:15:37.800 --> 0:15:40.960 want nothing to do with it, and then what wng 0:15:41.120 --> 0:15:48.560 was that Juba way okay? And then one day about 0:15:48.600 --> 0:15:51.080 the twils everything and I didn't care about life. 0:15:50.880 --> 0:15:54.000 No more, didn't just do about it to any of 0:15:54.120 --> 0:15:56.920 me and we hadn't smart time. 0:15:58.680 --> 0:16:04.880 Faddy fourball brother, oh fair? 0:16:06.440 --> 0:16:07.400 What did David. 0:16:08.920 --> 0:16:12.040 Thing was like, well be you and you wants to 0:16:12.080 --> 0:16:14.280 be better to be? If I can make it that way, 0:16:16.120 --> 0:16:17.960 I'll tell you to do something for me. 0:16:18.840 --> 0:16:21.360 Joe said that David asked him to kill y Vaughan, 0:16:21.920 --> 0:16:25.560 and Joe, with nothing to lose, agreed, what did he 0:16:25.600 --> 0:16:26.400 approach you to do that? 0:16:29.280 --> 0:16:32.520 To always say about a month before it hated. 0:16:35.040 --> 0:16:39.480 And he told me if they didn't make sure I 0:16:39.680 --> 0:16:42.440 was okay and then a fine stay out of it. 0:16:43.480 --> 0:16:48.200 And so did he take me up? What morning to 0:16:48.440 --> 0:16:50.360 me to Alian. 0:16:49.720 --> 0:16:52.960 Swall at the culture did and Alpy day for a 0:16:53.080 --> 0:16:56.200 room without a dollar below and then he sent me 0:16:56.320 --> 0:16:59.160 to get a knife and so baseball gloves. 0:16:59.520 --> 0:17:01.640 Jo said. David gave him money for a knife and 0:17:01.760 --> 0:17:04.440 baseball gloves and paid for the hotel room for him 0:17:04.640 --> 0:17:06.440 at the Alliance Carnation Mall. 0:17:06.760 --> 0:17:08.200 How much money did David tell you? 0:17:13.080 --> 0:17:14.920 I told me what's gonna get me out of it? 0:17:15.000 --> 0:17:16.240 He got to give our life. 0:17:16.160 --> 0:17:19.720 Better, josephs. The day of the murder, they drove around 0:17:19.960 --> 0:17:21.000 and discussed the plan. 0:17:22.040 --> 0:17:24.280 Thanks all me, how to do any told every by 0:17:25.280 --> 0:17:28.680 waiting the story little all about nine nine thirty insurance 0:17:28.680 --> 0:17:30.360 study by ten o'clock. 0:17:31.600 --> 0:17:34.240 Because it's done to me and he'll be leaving. 0:17:34.760 --> 0:17:39.760 They'll have jobs for them in the in the chest, okay, 0:17:39.840 --> 0:17:40.520 God and. 0:17:45.320 --> 0:17:47.560 Joe says that since David would be at his class 0:17:47.600 --> 0:17:49.960 with Josh and the Lion Cub that night, he'd have 0:17:50.000 --> 0:17:52.760 an alibi, so to make sure the murder happened in 0:17:52.920 --> 0:17:56.679 that timeframe by ten pm. Then, he says, David dropped 0:17:56.720 --> 0:17:59.760 him at the mall a comfort in receipt shows Joe 0:18:00.040 --> 0:18:03.040 rented a room at one forty six and paid cash 0:18:03.320 --> 0:18:06.399 with one hundred dollars bill. Then he went to Kmart 0:18:06.480 --> 0:18:09.120 to get the gloves, and he went back to David's car. 0:18:09.720 --> 0:18:12.720 David drove him around and eventually he wound up back 0:18:12.920 --> 0:18:16.000 at the Enox. The Enox are the people who'd taken 0:18:16.119 --> 0:18:18.800 Joe in for a while, but he wasn't following their rules. 0:18:19.600 --> 0:18:22.000 Joe was back on good terms with them and doing 0:18:22.040 --> 0:18:25.639 a job with Brent Enoch that evening. The Enox testified 0:18:25.680 --> 0:18:28.520 that David stopped by with the cub for about a 0:18:28.640 --> 0:18:31.600 half an hour and then he left around five pm 0:18:31.760 --> 0:18:35.119 for class. The Enox and Joe then ate dinner and 0:18:35.440 --> 0:18:38.159 after Brent took Joe to a carpentry job. On the 0:18:38.200 --> 0:18:41.120 way to the job, Joe asked Brent if he'd drop 0:18:41.200 --> 0:18:44.800 him at the Carnation Mall. After Brent testified that Joe 0:18:44.920 --> 0:18:48.080 told him he was meeting David there and then spending 0:18:48.160 --> 0:18:52.880 the night at David's to clean David's garage. Instead, Joe 0:18:52.960 --> 0:18:55.320 says he stayed at the mall, where he allegedly bumped 0:18:55.359 --> 0:18:58.520 into Rose and Chris and allegedly told them he was 0:18:58.600 --> 0:18:59.960 in town to kill a girl. 0:19:00.880 --> 0:19:02.520 And how did you get to the house from the mall? 0:19:02.680 --> 0:19:05.639 I went from the mall to the house, and. 0:19:08.040 --> 0:19:10.760 I was walking down and I walked to her house 0:19:10.800 --> 0:19:12.280 and the door was unwalked up. 0:19:12.280 --> 0:19:16.439 And did remember Yvonne Son Preston said he never locked 0:19:16.520 --> 0:19:18.639 the door when his mom asked him to. 0:19:19.160 --> 0:19:21.720 I was screamed your name, and I was walking up 0:19:21.800 --> 0:19:24.359 the first slightly stand when she was coming down to 0:19:24.400 --> 0:19:28.720 the bedroom, did she and she met me one okay, 0:19:29.119 --> 0:19:30.040 what did you make him? 0:19:30.680 --> 0:19:32.200 But she was like, hey, what are you doing. 0:19:32.119 --> 0:19:34.200 To hear the shields? I ain't seen you a whole time. 0:19:35.280 --> 0:19:37.320 I was like, yo, Dad just wanted me to stop 0:19:37.480 --> 0:19:42.680 and see how things were. And yeah, and then where 0:19:42.680 --> 0:19:43.880 instead the talking. 0:19:43.640 --> 0:19:50.320 For about three or five minutes and then okay, I 0:19:50.440 --> 0:19:51.639 know this is to be hard, but we got to 0:19:51.680 --> 0:19:55.720 go through and you tell me what happened. Yet, where 0:19:55.760 --> 0:19:57.680 were you sitting? Were you're sitting upstairs, you're downstairs. 0:19:57.720 --> 0:20:02.960 We're on the second, the third one, okay, and we're 0:20:03.040 --> 0:20:06.080 still the job starting then Stormer. 0:20:11.320 --> 0:20:13.520 What Joe said is that they were sitting on the 0:20:13.600 --> 0:20:16.879 couch and he reached his arm around her body, pulled 0:20:16.920 --> 0:20:20.280 her hair back, and slit her throat and then she 0:20:20.440 --> 0:20:23.880 got up, tried to run, went to the sliding glass door, 0:20:24.440 --> 0:20:29.439 turned around and asked him why. Joe answered, because David 0:20:29.760 --> 0:20:34.239 wanted me to. Then Yvonne collapsed. Joe says he went 0:20:34.320 --> 0:20:38.159 to the hotel and sat up all night thinking about it. 0:20:39.000 --> 0:20:43.479 An employee for the phone company Ameriatech testified at trial 0:20:43.760 --> 0:20:47.600 that the next morning, April first, someone called David at 0:20:47.720 --> 0:20:52.720 eight twenty eight am from a mall payphone. Prosecutors pointed 0:20:52.760 --> 0:20:55.600 to that as proof that David left work to pick 0:20:55.680 --> 0:20:59.159 up Joe. The morning after the murder was committed. Now, 0:20:59.320 --> 0:21:02.800 at nine am, David did take a break from work. 0:21:03.400 --> 0:21:06.600 His coworker testified that David left for about an hour 0:21:06.680 --> 0:21:11.520 and a half and returned with McDonald's. The sandwiches were hot, 0:21:12.160 --> 0:21:15.040 the prosecution said. During this time, David picked up Joe 0:21:15.080 --> 0:21:18.200 at the hotel and took him back to the Enoch residence. 0:21:19.720 --> 0:21:23.080 Why do you pick you upout offs on the way? 0:21:23.480 --> 0:21:25.480 Joe says he put his clothes in a bag and 0:21:25.560 --> 0:21:29.359 gave the bag to David, but forgot about his pants, 0:21:29.680 --> 0:21:33.040 so he threw them in the woods and he doesn't 0:21:33.200 --> 0:21:34.600 remember where his shoes went. 0:21:34.880 --> 0:21:35.800 What did you do with your shoes? 0:21:36.760 --> 0:21:46.880 Oh, I don't remote yourself, Okay, Why did you throw 0:21:47.000 --> 0:21:50.680 the phoenix thing on the pfio and show really. 0:21:56.119 --> 0:22:03.600 The gloves were the gloves off? Don't worried as you want. 0:22:03.760 --> 0:22:05.920 Dump street. Mcdoud's up by your house. 0:22:09.240 --> 0:22:10.760 The house, and you ran back in a month. Now 0:22:10.880 --> 0:22:12.240 that you run down State Street? 0:22:12.520 --> 0:22:17.080 Is State Street is the main road in Alliance. It's 0:22:17.160 --> 0:22:20.600 really more like a highway. Joe said he ran down 0:22:20.680 --> 0:22:25.720 State Street nearly four miles back to the hotel, presumably 0:22:26.080 --> 0:22:29.280 covered in blood on the way. He says he ditched 0:22:29.400 --> 0:22:30.960 the knife on a side street. 0:22:31.920 --> 0:22:35.639 So why did David want to star David when you 0:22:35.720 --> 0:22:38.600 want to have to pay so much money from Charles? 0:22:39.040 --> 0:22:44.359 Yes, he told you this, he says, So David didn't 0:22:44.440 --> 0:22:46.879 have to pay so much in child support. 0:22:47.640 --> 0:22:48.840 Are you sorry for what you did? 0:22:48.960 --> 0:22:53.680 Because I can't believe I did it? 0:22:58.320 --> 0:22:58.480 Hey? 0:22:58.600 --> 0:23:00.480 Well, and are you willing to. 0:23:02.119 --> 0:23:03.120 Stand up for yourself? 0:23:03.800 --> 0:23:13.120 No antutifying art against the Dave thorny. 0:23:11.359 --> 0:23:13.040 Hey anything else? 0:23:14.240 --> 0:23:14.440 Yeah? 0:23:16.240 --> 0:23:19.640 Okay, that's going to conclude this interview. It's one day, 0:23:19.760 --> 0:23:23.200 July fourteenth, nineteen ninety nine. Time now is thirteen twenty 0:23:23.280 --> 0:23:23.840 six hours. 0:23:25.400 --> 0:23:25.879 What did you go? 0:23:28.440 --> 0:23:32.480 After Joe finished his statement, he was charged with aggravated murder. 0:23:33.119 --> 0:23:36.159 Twenty six year old David Thorn was also arrested and 0:23:36.359 --> 0:23:40.359 charged with complicity to murder for hiring Joe to kill 0:23:40.760 --> 0:23:43.960 Yvonne Lane. David went to trials six months later on 0:23:44.119 --> 0:23:48.120 January eighteenth, two thousand, Joe took a plea to take 0:23:48.200 --> 0:23:51.439