1 00:00:02,360 --> 00:00:06,560 Speaker 1: Happy Saturday, everybody. I recently ran into a young listener 2 00:00:06,600 --> 00:00:09,400 Speaker 1: of our show who said that her favorite episodes were 3 00:00:09,400 --> 00:00:11,879 Speaker 1: the ones that are connected in some way to Hamilton's. 4 00:00:12,320 --> 00:00:15,480 Speaker 1: So today we have pulled something Hamilton's adjacent out of 5 00:00:15,480 --> 00:00:20,520 Speaker 1: the archives. It is Sarah and Deblina episode on James Armistead, 6 00:00:20,760 --> 00:00:23,439 Speaker 1: an enslaved man who worked as a double agent during 7 00:00:23,440 --> 00:00:27,680 Speaker 1: the Revolutionary War who's handler was the market A Lafayette. 8 00:00:27,960 --> 00:00:32,320 Speaker 1: So let's jump right in. Welcome to Stuff you missed 9 00:00:32,320 --> 00:00:42,520 Speaker 1: in History Class from house stuff Works dot com. Hello, 10 00:00:42,520 --> 00:00:44,760 Speaker 1: and welcome to the podcast. I'm Sarah Dowdy and I'm 11 00:00:44,760 --> 00:00:47,320 Speaker 1: Deblina Chuck for boarding and to Blina. We've covered a 12 00:00:47,400 --> 00:00:50,360 Speaker 1: lot of spy stories in the past year, so we 13 00:00:50,440 --> 00:00:53,760 Speaker 1: have there's no coincidence, mostly thanks to you. We love 14 00:00:53,840 --> 00:00:56,560 Speaker 1: the war spies. I do spies in general, you do. 15 00:00:56,680 --> 00:00:59,040 Speaker 1: They always make for some fun stories, they really do, 16 00:00:59,160 --> 00:01:02,360 Speaker 1: and and they're another popular listener quest of ours. But 17 00:01:02,880 --> 00:01:06,840 Speaker 1: today we're going to venture into the very murky territory 18 00:01:06,880 --> 00:01:11,000 Speaker 1: of Revolutionary War spies, and specifically we're going to focus 19 00:01:11,000 --> 00:01:14,039 Speaker 1: on the story of James Armistead Lafayette, who was an 20 00:01:14,160 --> 00:01:18,840 Speaker 1: enslaved Virginia man who worked for the marketa Lafayette, who 21 00:01:18,959 --> 00:01:22,319 Speaker 1: spied on Benedict Arnold, and who even gained the trust 22 00:01:22,400 --> 00:01:26,840 Speaker 1: of General Lord Cornwallis. So if that all adds up correctly, 23 00:01:26,959 --> 00:01:31,000 Speaker 1: he's a double agent circa eighty one, which is a 24 00:01:31,040 --> 00:01:35,440 Speaker 1: pretty impressive feat. But since Armistead's life story or the 25 00:01:35,440 --> 00:01:38,240 Speaker 1: details that are available are just a little bit, then 26 00:01:38,640 --> 00:01:42,479 Speaker 1: we'll also be talking more about more general espionage during 27 00:01:42,520 --> 00:01:46,720 Speaker 1: the American Revolution, George Washington as a spy master, for example, 28 00:01:47,200 --> 00:01:49,840 Speaker 1: And since Armistead was a slave, we're also going to 29 00:01:49,920 --> 00:01:53,000 Speaker 1: talk about the place of African American slaves and freeman 30 00:01:53,040 --> 00:01:55,880 Speaker 1: in the Revolution. Yes, we're gonna be covering a lot 31 00:01:55,880 --> 00:01:58,960 Speaker 1: of ground today, but before we get to that, it's 32 00:01:59,000 --> 00:02:02,320 Speaker 1: important to note that even though an African American man 33 00:02:02,360 --> 00:02:05,360 Speaker 1: occupies one of the most notable spots in the early 34 00:02:05,360 --> 00:02:09,440 Speaker 1: American Revolution Christmas Attics, of course, the first person shot 35 00:02:09,480 --> 00:02:12,280 Speaker 1: by the British, and the Boston massacre of seventeen seventy, 36 00:02:12,680 --> 00:02:15,639 Speaker 1: there are really a lot of misassumptions about the position 37 00:02:15,680 --> 00:02:19,600 Speaker 1: of African Americans in general in the Revolution. According to 38 00:02:19,800 --> 00:02:24,200 Speaker 1: Noel by Poier, for example, in the Colonial Williamsburg Foundation 39 00:02:24,560 --> 00:02:28,880 Speaker 1: Many people assume that African American soldiers were segregated into 40 00:02:29,000 --> 00:02:32,600 Speaker 1: all black units if they existed at all, or worked 41 00:02:32,680 --> 00:02:36,240 Speaker 1: only as laborers and servants. But that wasn't the case 42 00:02:36,280 --> 00:02:40,720 Speaker 1: at all. No state militias and the Continental Army were integrated. 43 00:02:40,760 --> 00:02:45,240 Speaker 1: Despite attempts to the contrary. Manpower just simply demanded it. 44 00:02:45,760 --> 00:02:49,960 Speaker 1: African Americans also made invaluable spies, both for the rebels 45 00:02:50,040 --> 00:02:53,600 Speaker 1: and for the British. They could, for example, work as orderlies, 46 00:02:53,680 --> 00:02:57,919 Speaker 1: picking up private conversations and privileged information in the process, 47 00:02:58,200 --> 00:03:00,919 Speaker 1: and they could also act as local sides, which gave 48 00:03:00,960 --> 00:03:04,640 Speaker 1: them freedom of movement and the ability to pass on information. 49 00:03:04,760 --> 00:03:07,920 Speaker 1: So two important jobs there that also double his spy 50 00:03:08,080 --> 00:03:11,440 Speaker 1: pretty easily. UM. We'll talk more about the offers made 51 00:03:11,480 --> 00:03:15,480 Speaker 1: by each side toward enslaved able bodied men in general, 52 00:03:15,560 --> 00:03:18,240 Speaker 1: but for now, it's just enough to say that both 53 00:03:18,360 --> 00:03:22,160 Speaker 1: American and British officers would have had full reason to 54 00:03:22,280 --> 00:03:25,639 Speaker 1: believe that an enslaved man like Armistead was on their side, 55 00:03:25,680 --> 00:03:27,880 Speaker 1: so there wouldn't be an issue of is he double 56 00:03:27,919 --> 00:03:30,799 Speaker 1: crossing us? He should be passionately for one side or 57 00:03:30,840 --> 00:03:33,600 Speaker 1: the other. Um. And that's because the Americans figured this 58 00:03:33,880 --> 00:03:38,280 Speaker 1: they would assume that of us, an enslaved man like 59 00:03:38,360 --> 00:03:41,040 Speaker 1: this might be fighting for his country's freedom, might be 60 00:03:41,080 --> 00:03:43,760 Speaker 1: fighting for the home he knew, while the British would 61 00:03:43,760 --> 00:03:47,240 Speaker 1: assume that he was fighting for his own personal freedom. 62 00:03:47,240 --> 00:03:49,520 Speaker 1: And again we're going to get more into the details 63 00:03:49,520 --> 00:03:53,240 Speaker 1: on that later, but before we do that, some some 64 00:03:53,520 --> 00:03:58,000 Speaker 1: information on Armistead's life. Yes, he was born in New Kent, Virginia, 65 00:03:58,200 --> 00:04:03,000 Speaker 1: likely in it perhaps his latest seventeen sixty. According to 66 00:04:03,080 --> 00:04:06,800 Speaker 1: some sources, his master was William Armistead, and James worked 67 00:04:06,800 --> 00:04:10,320 Speaker 1: as a field hand on a tobacco plantation. In seventeen 68 00:04:10,360 --> 00:04:12,560 Speaker 1: eighty one, his master gave him permission to join the 69 00:04:12,560 --> 00:04:15,560 Speaker 1: Continental Army, and he was soon teamed up with the 70 00:04:15,600 --> 00:04:19,240 Speaker 1: Marquis de Lafayette, the frameless French hero of the Revolution 71 00:04:19,360 --> 00:04:22,680 Speaker 1: and a close friend of General George Washington. And with 72 00:04:22,760 --> 00:04:26,840 Speaker 1: Lafayette as his handler, Armstead poses an escaped slave and 73 00:04:27,040 --> 00:04:30,280 Speaker 1: entered the camp of turncoat Benedict Arnold, who we all 74 00:04:30,320 --> 00:04:33,160 Speaker 1: know well, where he worked as a guide and as 75 00:04:33,160 --> 00:04:36,960 Speaker 1: an orderly So that was his his start as a spy, 76 00:04:37,200 --> 00:04:41,719 Speaker 1: passing on information to Lafayette and uh It's even suggested 77 00:04:41,800 --> 00:04:45,760 Speaker 1: that he might have had other orderly's working under him, 78 00:04:45,760 --> 00:04:48,279 Speaker 1: you know, so he wasn't the only spy in the camp, 79 00:04:48,320 --> 00:04:50,920 Speaker 1: but he had other African American men who would pass 80 00:04:50,960 --> 00:04:54,080 Speaker 1: on information to kind of the spy manager by Master Yes, 81 00:04:54,240 --> 00:04:58,680 Speaker 1: and and they'd get that that information onto Lafayette. Eventually, though, 82 00:04:58,800 --> 00:05:02,000 Speaker 1: Armistead was posted close enough to the camp of General 83 00:05:02,040 --> 00:05:05,640 Speaker 1: Lord Cornwallis, and that was of course a big bump 84 00:05:05,640 --> 00:05:08,640 Speaker 1: and the sort of information he was receiving, And he 85 00:05:08,800 --> 00:05:13,040 Speaker 1: also managed to gain Cornwallis's trust and became one of 86 00:05:13,200 --> 00:05:16,359 Speaker 1: his agents, making Armistead at this point a double agent. 87 00:05:16,520 --> 00:05:20,400 Speaker 1: So he was on the one hand getting information from 88 00:05:20,440 --> 00:05:24,159 Speaker 1: the British and informing Lafayette. On the other he was 89 00:05:24,279 --> 00:05:28,400 Speaker 1: feeding the British inaccurate information that Lafayette was giving him 90 00:05:28,440 --> 00:05:31,039 Speaker 1: reporting back on British movement. So, you know, just the 91 00:05:31,080 --> 00:05:35,320 Speaker 1: circle of of information and misinformation going on. The biggest 92 00:05:35,320 --> 00:05:38,320 Speaker 1: perk of being a double agent, though, was that freedom 93 00:05:38,360 --> 00:05:41,520 Speaker 1: of movement that we mentioned earlier. According to Madison Gray 94 00:05:41,560 --> 00:05:44,400 Speaker 1: and Time Magazine, it was during one of these trips 95 00:05:44,440 --> 00:05:47,840 Speaker 1: that Armistead discovered that ten thousand British troops were headed 96 00:05:47,880 --> 00:05:51,280 Speaker 1: to Yorktown, and this was information that eventually got passed 97 00:05:51,320 --> 00:05:54,880 Speaker 1: on to General Washington, and Yorktown was, of course the 98 00:05:54,920 --> 00:05:57,680 Speaker 1: turning point of the war. It came after a joint 99 00:05:57,800 --> 00:06:01,080 Speaker 1: French American attack on British held New York failed, and 100 00:06:01,120 --> 00:06:05,000 Speaker 1: when Congress was bankrupt and enlistments were flagging after years 101 00:06:05,040 --> 00:06:08,240 Speaker 1: of war, so things looked pretty bleak at this time. Yeah, 102 00:06:08,279 --> 00:06:18,440 Speaker 1: for the for the revolutionary cause, in part because of 103 00:06:18,520 --> 00:06:25,159 Speaker 1: this intelligence from Armistead, Washington and Continental soldiers plus four 104 00:06:25,200 --> 00:06:30,159 Speaker 1: thousand French soldiers began heading towards Yorktown to meet Cornwallis's men, 105 00:06:30,320 --> 00:06:33,000 Speaker 1: and along the way, of course, a French fleet cut 106 00:06:33,000 --> 00:06:37,279 Speaker 1: off the British fleet's attempt to rescue Cornwallis's army, leaving 107 00:06:37,320 --> 00:06:39,320 Speaker 1: them stranded. And we're not going to go into the 108 00:06:39,320 --> 00:06:42,239 Speaker 1: whole history of Yorktown here, but um, the siege began 109 00:06:42,480 --> 00:06:47,560 Speaker 1: September one and ultimately ended with Cornwallis's surrender a few 110 00:06:47,560 --> 00:06:51,800 Speaker 1: weeks later, and sometime after that the end of the war. Uh. 111 00:06:51,920 --> 00:06:54,520 Speaker 1: There's a quote in the in the Gray article that 112 00:06:54,600 --> 00:06:58,560 Speaker 1: Dablina mentioned from rex Elis, who's the vice president of 113 00:06:58,760 --> 00:07:03,559 Speaker 1: Colonial Williamsburg's Historic Area, and he really emphasized the full 114 00:07:03,680 --> 00:07:07,680 Speaker 1: importance of Armistead's part in this victory and said quote, 115 00:07:07,880 --> 00:07:10,119 Speaker 1: if he had not given the information that he gave 116 00:07:10,280 --> 00:07:13,600 Speaker 1: at the strategic time he did, they would not have 117 00:07:13,680 --> 00:07:16,760 Speaker 1: had the intelligence to create the blockade that ended the war. 118 00:07:17,360 --> 00:07:22,320 Speaker 1: So I mean certainly speaks for for Armistead's work. Um 119 00:07:22,400 --> 00:07:27,280 Speaker 1: an interesting side note here though, especially since Armistead was 120 00:07:27,480 --> 00:07:32,320 Speaker 1: a double agent and so clearly helped pivotal yeah, pivotal 121 00:07:32,320 --> 00:07:35,800 Speaker 1: point in the war. General Washington was not always a 122 00:07:35,840 --> 00:07:38,360 Speaker 1: fan of double agents, even though he has a bit 123 00:07:38,400 --> 00:07:41,680 Speaker 1: of a reputation as a spy master. Yes, Washington is 124 00:07:41,680 --> 00:07:44,080 Speaker 1: pretty well known for running the Culper Spy Ring in 125 00:07:44,080 --> 00:07:47,360 Speaker 1: New York City and for employee Sir James Jay's secret 126 00:07:47,400 --> 00:07:51,480 Speaker 1: recipe for invisible ink and his sensitive correspondence. But he 127 00:07:51,560 --> 00:07:56,400 Speaker 1: was uncomfortable with the haphazard nature of the game of 128 00:07:56,400 --> 00:07:58,840 Speaker 1: of using double agent and just the spy game in general. 129 00:07:58,960 --> 00:08:03,080 Speaker 1: You know, different spy working for different people, untrained agents 130 00:08:03,120 --> 00:08:07,160 Speaker 1: passing on rumors and gossip as real intelligent. Yeah, he 131 00:08:07,200 --> 00:08:09,800 Speaker 1: wanted spies to be centralized under his control. He did. 132 00:08:09,840 --> 00:08:12,560 Speaker 1: He wanted everything to be nice and orderly, as you 133 00:08:12,600 --> 00:08:17,520 Speaker 1: would expect Washington would. Fortunately, according to Edward langle in 134 00:08:17,560 --> 00:08:21,800 Speaker 1: military history. Washington's officers were willing to disobey his orders 135 00:08:21,880 --> 00:08:24,400 Speaker 1: and set up their own networks. It was one of 136 00:08:24,440 --> 00:08:27,840 Speaker 1: these that finally turned George Washington onto the value of 137 00:08:27,960 --> 00:08:30,680 Speaker 1: using a double agent. A former captain in a New 138 00:08:30,720 --> 00:08:35,000 Speaker 1: York regiment, Elijah Hunter, who posed as a Tory, infiltrated 139 00:08:35,040 --> 00:08:38,200 Speaker 1: General Sir Henry Clinton's camp and was asked in turn 140 00:08:38,320 --> 00:08:41,840 Speaker 1: to spy for the British. So when Hunter's handler first 141 00:08:41,840 --> 00:08:46,040 Speaker 1: started passing on information to Washington, the General expressed his 142 00:08:46,240 --> 00:08:49,680 Speaker 1: general distrust of double agents, which we just talked about. 143 00:08:50,000 --> 00:08:53,720 Speaker 1: He said, quote, their situation obliges them to trim a 144 00:08:53,760 --> 00:08:56,640 Speaker 1: good deal in order to keep well with both sides, 145 00:08:57,040 --> 00:08:58,800 Speaker 1: and the less they have it in their power to 146 00:08:58,880 --> 00:09:02,280 Speaker 1: do us mischief, the better, especially if we consider that 147 00:09:02,320 --> 00:09:05,000 Speaker 1: the enemy can purchase their fidelity at a higher price 148 00:09:05,040 --> 00:09:08,480 Speaker 1: than we can. Okay, that's an astute point to to make, 149 00:09:08,760 --> 00:09:12,199 Speaker 1: something to be aware of. Fortunately, though, at least um 150 00:09:12,360 --> 00:09:17,320 Speaker 1: for Washington's general trust of double agents, Hunter didn't blow it. 151 00:09:17,360 --> 00:09:20,520 Speaker 1: He didn't do any mischief like Washington was concerned about, 152 00:09:20,760 --> 00:09:24,320 Speaker 1: became a valuable double agent, and uh sort of opened 153 00:09:24,360 --> 00:09:27,760 Speaker 1: Washington up for a little bit of a more decentralized 154 00:09:27,800 --> 00:09:30,480 Speaker 1: sort of spy network, something that would allow him to 155 00:09:31,000 --> 00:09:34,120 Speaker 1: welcome this information he was getting from Armistead later down 156 00:09:34,120 --> 00:09:38,520 Speaker 1: the line back to Armistead's story, though, you would expect 157 00:09:38,600 --> 00:09:43,040 Speaker 1: that after his work for Lafayette, after the spectacular turn 158 00:09:43,160 --> 00:09:47,080 Speaker 1: as a double agent, his vital service to the war effort, 159 00:09:47,120 --> 00:09:51,040 Speaker 1: would be recognized with at the very least his freedom, 160 00:09:51,640 --> 00:09:54,800 Speaker 1: But that was not the case. After the war, he 161 00:09:54,920 --> 00:09:59,760 Speaker 1: returned to his master, returned to to Virginia, the Virginia 162 00:09:59,760 --> 00:10:04,160 Speaker 1: Plan Tation where he had worked and was still a slave. 163 00:10:04,520 --> 00:10:09,400 Speaker 1: But here's another interesting side note about Washington. Washington, despite 164 00:10:09,440 --> 00:10:12,960 Speaker 1: his growing interest in integrated troops during the war, was 165 00:10:13,240 --> 00:10:16,920 Speaker 1: very much four slaves returning to their masters after the 166 00:10:16,960 --> 00:10:20,160 Speaker 1: fight was over and not slipping away during the hubbub. 167 00:10:20,600 --> 00:10:24,360 Speaker 1: But telling Lee, Washington accepted the fact that this might 168 00:10:24,679 --> 00:10:27,800 Speaker 1: not happen. They might not return to their masters. He 169 00:10:27,840 --> 00:10:30,840 Speaker 1: even acknowledged that some of his own slaves who had 170 00:10:30,880 --> 00:10:33,400 Speaker 1: left during the fight would probably not come back, save 171 00:10:33,520 --> 00:10:37,000 Speaker 1: for quote an inclination to return. Yeah. I read a 172 00:10:37,080 --> 00:10:39,600 Speaker 1: little bit about this in Kelly and Loos's A History 173 00:10:39,600 --> 00:10:43,240 Speaker 1: of African Americans to eighteen eighty and it's almost as though, 174 00:10:43,360 --> 00:10:45,480 Speaker 1: or the way they presented it, it's almost as though 175 00:10:45,520 --> 00:10:51,040 Speaker 1: George Washington, the property owner, would prefer to have his property, 176 00:10:51,080 --> 00:10:55,640 Speaker 1: his human property, restored to him. But George Washington, the rebel, 177 00:10:55,840 --> 00:10:59,480 Speaker 1: understood that his slaves might not be willing to see 178 00:10:59,520 --> 00:11:03,319 Speaker 1: themselves property anymore, especially after this dramatic war that had 179 00:11:03,360 --> 00:11:06,200 Speaker 1: happened in the name of civil liberty. So this is 180 00:11:06,240 --> 00:11:08,880 Speaker 1: just to give some some background that this is happening 181 00:11:09,320 --> 00:11:12,200 Speaker 1: all over the New Country at this point, whether slaves 182 00:11:12,240 --> 00:11:15,280 Speaker 1: are going to return after the chaos of the war. 183 00:11:15,800 --> 00:11:19,360 Speaker 1: And Uh, I think it's pretty remarkable that Armistead did 184 00:11:19,440 --> 00:11:24,000 Speaker 1: choose to do that. Uh. Nevertheless, though his friends didn't 185 00:11:24,080 --> 00:11:26,760 Speaker 1: forget him, so he didn't return to This is not 186 00:11:26,800 --> 00:11:29,760 Speaker 1: a sad ending for his story. At least he didn't 187 00:11:29,760 --> 00:11:34,079 Speaker 1: return to slavery and live this obscure life. Uh. Fortunately 188 00:11:34,080 --> 00:11:37,960 Speaker 1: to his master also supported his eventual manumission. But in 189 00:11:38,280 --> 00:11:42,720 Speaker 1: seventeen seven, Armistead was finally granted his freedom by the 190 00:11:42,760 --> 00:11:47,120 Speaker 1: state of Virginia, thanks in part to a strong letter 191 00:11:47,280 --> 00:11:51,000 Speaker 1: of recommendation from Lafayette, who noted that he was quote 192 00:11:51,120 --> 00:12:02,840 Speaker 1: entitled to every reward his situation could admit of Armistead 193 00:12:02,920 --> 00:12:06,840 Speaker 1: ended up living out his days in Virginia, farming, marrying, 194 00:12:07,000 --> 00:12:10,920 Speaker 1: and eventually having children. After his emancipation, he also took 195 00:12:10,920 --> 00:12:14,040 Speaker 1: on Lafayette's name and they met one more time, and 196 00:12:14,120 --> 00:12:18,880 Speaker 1: it was during Lafayette's eighteen twenty four final visit to 197 00:12:19,080 --> 00:12:22,920 Speaker 1: the US. Lafayette spotted him in a crowd and came 198 00:12:23,000 --> 00:12:27,040 Speaker 1: over to embrace him. Armistead Lafayette died in eighteen thirty 199 00:12:27,120 --> 00:12:30,480 Speaker 1: or eighteen thirty two, depending on what source you read. Yeah, so, 200 00:12:30,720 --> 00:12:33,560 Speaker 1: like I said, a pretty good end to to that story. 201 00:12:33,600 --> 00:12:36,480 Speaker 1: But I think the biggest question hanging over it, and 202 00:12:36,559 --> 00:12:39,520 Speaker 1: I just hinted it this a minute ago, is why 203 00:12:39,720 --> 00:12:41,400 Speaker 1: why did he do it? You know, why did he 204 00:12:41,440 --> 00:12:45,280 Speaker 1: fight in the first place? Why after his service did 205 00:12:45,320 --> 00:12:49,200 Speaker 1: he return to slavery willingly? And uh, I really enjoyed 206 00:12:49,240 --> 00:12:52,880 Speaker 1: listening to a podcast on the Colonial Williamsburg site. They 207 00:12:52,880 --> 00:12:56,560 Speaker 1: have a lot on on Armistead, hosted by Richard Josie, 208 00:12:56,600 --> 00:13:01,280 Speaker 1: who actually interprets Armstead and Williamsburg. I mean like in character, uh, 209 00:13:01,320 --> 00:13:05,199 Speaker 1: he he portrays him. And he said that those were 210 00:13:05,240 --> 00:13:09,120 Speaker 1: the two most common questions that visitors to to Williamsburg 211 00:13:09,160 --> 00:13:12,080 Speaker 1: asked him, and he said that his answer to the 212 00:13:12,120 --> 00:13:15,400 Speaker 1: first question why did Armistead fight in the first place 213 00:13:15,480 --> 00:13:18,439 Speaker 1: is country. In his answer to the second why did 214 00:13:18,440 --> 00:13:22,920 Speaker 1: he return is his family sense of place. Um, of course, 215 00:13:22,920 --> 00:13:26,079 Speaker 1: we can't be sure what motivated Armistead in either of those, 216 00:13:26,120 --> 00:13:27,720 Speaker 1: but we can sort of take a look at the 217 00:13:27,760 --> 00:13:32,319 Speaker 1: options that were available to able bodied slaves and free 218 00:13:32,320 --> 00:13:35,520 Speaker 1: blacks in the rebel colonies at the time of the 219 00:13:35,520 --> 00:13:39,199 Speaker 1: American Revolution. And while the options were certainly better during 220 00:13:39,200 --> 00:13:41,839 Speaker 1: the Revolution than they had been previously, they were still 221 00:13:41,880 --> 00:13:45,240 Speaker 1: pretty bleak. Yeah, the outside of the war, slaves would 222 00:13:45,280 --> 00:13:48,240 Speaker 1: have been as aware as anyone of the philosophy behind 223 00:13:48,280 --> 00:13:52,040 Speaker 1: the revolution, and they could have certainly hoped for that 224 00:13:52,080 --> 00:13:55,760 Speaker 1: the benefits of liberty might extend to them a little bit. Plus, 225 00:13:55,800 --> 00:13:58,760 Speaker 1: anyone slave or not can have a connection, I guess, 226 00:13:58,760 --> 00:14:01,840 Speaker 1: and an investment in home where they live, where they 227 00:14:01,840 --> 00:14:06,120 Speaker 1: were born. Consequently, there was a strong early support for 228 00:14:06,160 --> 00:14:08,640 Speaker 1: the war among black slaves and freemen, with men like 229 00:14:08,760 --> 00:14:11,920 Speaker 1: Peter Salem, who was a Massachusetts slave freed so that 230 00:14:11,960 --> 00:14:15,280 Speaker 1: he could fight. He saw action in Lexington and it conquered. 231 00:14:15,840 --> 00:14:19,240 Speaker 1: Or Salem Poor was another freeman who fought at Bunker 232 00:14:19,320 --> 00:14:24,680 Speaker 1: Hill and thanks to a decent, although illegal tradition of 233 00:14:24,840 --> 00:14:28,920 Speaker 1: some black participation in New England militias. The early Continental 234 00:14:29,000 --> 00:14:32,440 Speaker 1: Army actually counted a fair number of black soldiers among 235 00:14:32,560 --> 00:14:35,520 Speaker 1: its ranks. But if it hadn't been for the eventual 236 00:14:35,600 --> 00:14:39,080 Speaker 1: manpower shortages later in the war that Dablina mentioned earlier, 237 00:14:39,360 --> 00:14:42,160 Speaker 1: plus a pretty bold move on the part of the British, 238 00:14:42,680 --> 00:14:46,080 Speaker 1: it's likely that black participation in the army would have 239 00:14:46,120 --> 00:14:49,880 Speaker 1: been pretty limited because actually, when when George Washington became 240 00:14:49,920 --> 00:14:53,040 Speaker 1: Commander in chief of the Continental Army, he even banned 241 00:14:53,120 --> 00:14:56,600 Speaker 1: the future enlistment of black men free or otherwise, and 242 00:14:56,640 --> 00:15:01,360 Speaker 1: in the southern colonies with black populations out numbering white populations. Uh, 243 00:15:01,440 --> 00:15:03,720 Speaker 1: folks were always a little bit leery of anything that 244 00:15:03,840 --> 00:15:07,680 Speaker 1: could stir up possible slave rebellions and insurrections. And we've talked, 245 00:15:07,920 --> 00:15:10,560 Speaker 1: we've covered quite a few slave rebellions, I think on 246 00:15:10,560 --> 00:15:13,040 Speaker 1: the podcast, So most of you probably have a good 247 00:15:13,080 --> 00:15:17,240 Speaker 1: background on on those fears that that people had during 248 00:15:17,360 --> 00:15:21,080 Speaker 1: the Revolutionary War and after. True in this case, though, 249 00:15:21,080 --> 00:15:24,080 Speaker 1: it took a seventeen seventy five proclamation from the Royal 250 00:15:24,120 --> 00:15:28,200 Speaker 1: Governor of Virginia, Lord dune More, to really shake things up. 251 00:15:28,720 --> 00:15:32,200 Speaker 1: He promised freedom to the slaves of rebel masters if 252 00:15:32,200 --> 00:15:35,760 Speaker 1: they joined the British. That plus the simple need for 253 00:15:35,840 --> 00:15:39,720 Speaker 1: states to fill continental army recruitment quotas with basically anyone 254 00:15:39,760 --> 00:15:42,360 Speaker 1: they could get, was enough for the rules to start 255 00:15:42,400 --> 00:15:46,360 Speaker 1: being overlooked. Rhode Island, for example, even authorized slave enlistment 256 00:15:46,440 --> 00:15:49,760 Speaker 1: in seventeen seventy eight. And of course too many slaves 257 00:15:49,760 --> 00:15:52,880 Speaker 1: saw Dunmore's offer as an opportunity. I mean that that's 258 00:15:52,920 --> 00:15:56,440 Speaker 1: why it was such a problem for the patriot side. 259 00:15:56,480 --> 00:15:58,920 Speaker 1: If you're going to be turning away men who can 260 00:15:59,000 --> 00:16:02,520 Speaker 1: just go sign up up with the British, that's probably 261 00:16:02,520 --> 00:16:05,800 Speaker 1: a bad move. But yeah, many slaves saw Dunmore's offer 262 00:16:06,000 --> 00:16:09,600 Speaker 1: as a chance out of slavery. According to Kelly and Lewis, again, 263 00:16:10,120 --> 00:16:13,760 Speaker 1: up to twenty thousand African Americans served the British during 264 00:16:13,800 --> 00:16:17,400 Speaker 1: the war, which was a number way higher than I 265 00:16:17,480 --> 00:16:21,280 Speaker 1: was expecting to see. Uh. The stakes were raised, though, 266 00:16:21,480 --> 00:16:23,560 Speaker 1: so it didn't just become an issue of if you 267 00:16:23,600 --> 00:16:26,480 Speaker 1: serve a rebel master, you can possibly get your freedom 268 00:16:26,520 --> 00:16:29,520 Speaker 1: if you fight for the British. In seventeen seventy nine, 269 00:16:29,600 --> 00:16:32,160 Speaker 1: Sir Henry Clinton, who was the Commander in chief of 270 00:16:32,240 --> 00:16:36,200 Speaker 1: British forces in America, issued a proclamation that any blacks 271 00:16:36,280 --> 00:16:40,040 Speaker 1: captured with Patriot forces would be sold for a profit. 272 00:16:40,120 --> 00:16:43,680 Speaker 1: So now, if you are deciding to throw in your 273 00:16:43,760 --> 00:16:46,680 Speaker 1: luck with the Patriot cause and you're caught, you're just 274 00:16:46,720 --> 00:16:49,120 Speaker 1: going to be sold again. And that actually gives a 275 00:16:49,120 --> 00:16:53,080 Speaker 1: pretty good indication that Lord Dunmore's earlier offer freedom shouldn't 276 00:16:53,120 --> 00:16:56,760 Speaker 1: be taken as a human rights gesture. It was debated 277 00:16:56,760 --> 00:16:59,840 Speaker 1: in Great Britain as possibly shameful in so much as 278 00:16:59,840 --> 00:17:03,440 Speaker 1: it could turn slaves on their masters. Some even feared 279 00:17:03,440 --> 00:17:06,960 Speaker 1: that it would create general rebellion. After all, from their 280 00:17:06,960 --> 00:17:09,639 Speaker 1: point of view, they thought, what's to keep slaves of 281 00:17:09,680 --> 00:17:12,960 Speaker 1: loyalist masters from leaving a freedom? If freedom is a state. Yeah, 282 00:17:13,040 --> 00:17:16,160 Speaker 1: that's the most obvious point to me. If if you're 283 00:17:16,200 --> 00:17:20,520 Speaker 1: considering neighboring plantations, for example, in the slaves on one 284 00:17:20,720 --> 00:17:24,320 Speaker 1: plantation belonged to a rebel master and they can go 285 00:17:24,400 --> 00:17:26,840 Speaker 1: fight the British, the slaves on the next plantation are 286 00:17:27,000 --> 00:17:30,400 Speaker 1: supposed to stay there and still be slaves. That seems 287 00:17:30,440 --> 00:17:33,879 Speaker 1: like a rebellion could easily start that way. Of course, 288 00:17:33,920 --> 00:17:38,120 Speaker 1: the British didn't want to end slavery or encourage revolution 289 00:17:38,160 --> 00:17:40,560 Speaker 1: that would disrupt the labor structure of their American and 290 00:17:40,600 --> 00:17:44,320 Speaker 1: Caribbean colonies. And for slaves tempted by the promise of freedom, 291 00:17:44,400 --> 00:17:48,760 Speaker 1: redcoat service often meant poor rations and clothing, backbreaking work, 292 00:17:49,040 --> 00:17:52,600 Speaker 1: death from camp diseases. Yeah, so it really done. Moore's 293 00:17:52,640 --> 00:17:55,040 Speaker 1: proclamation should be seen as something is a way to 294 00:17:55,280 --> 00:17:59,879 Speaker 1: increase enlistment rather than a statement on slavery. But uh, 295 00:18:00,280 --> 00:18:05,360 Speaker 1: with with all of these problems to consider here, threats 296 00:18:05,400 --> 00:18:10,479 Speaker 1: of enslavement, sale, backbreaking labor from all sides, it's not 297 00:18:10,600 --> 00:18:13,919 Speaker 1: too surprising that many slaves didn't join either side, you know. 298 00:18:14,000 --> 00:18:16,920 Speaker 1: They they simply tried to stay out of the fight, 299 00:18:17,560 --> 00:18:22,320 Speaker 1: stay at home, or take the opportunity to just leave too. 300 00:18:22,400 --> 00:18:27,199 Speaker 1: And there's all this chaos happening. Another remarkable statistic from 301 00:18:27,240 --> 00:18:30,800 Speaker 1: from the book I mentioned earlier, Up to one third 302 00:18:31,040 --> 00:18:35,600 Speaker 1: of Georgia's slave population just left during the revolutionary war. 303 00:18:36,400 --> 00:18:40,600 Speaker 1: Some slaves joined guerrilla units, some formed interracial bands that 304 00:18:40,760 --> 00:18:43,640 Speaker 1: capitalized on the chaos that was going on, and some 305 00:18:43,800 --> 00:18:47,679 Speaker 1: just lived in the wilderness. So people finding a finding 306 00:18:47,680 --> 00:18:51,879 Speaker 1: a third way here essentially um, but I found it. 307 00:18:52,240 --> 00:18:55,080 Speaker 1: I was glad to learn more about armistead story. And 308 00:18:55,240 --> 00:18:57,880 Speaker 1: he's one who listeners have suggested in the past as 309 00:18:57,920 --> 00:19:01,080 Speaker 1: a great example of a double agent. 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