1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:02,440 Speaker 1: Welcome to All the Smoke, a production of The Black 2 00:00:02,440 --> 00:00:21,840 Speaker 1: Effect and our Heart Radio and partnership with Showtime. Welcome 3 00:00:21,840 --> 00:00:26,760 Speaker 1: back to All the Smoke, Episode one hundred. We got 4 00:00:26,840 --> 00:00:29,440 Speaker 1: him for y'all. Man. When I thought of this show, 5 00:00:29,880 --> 00:00:31,320 Speaker 1: this is one of the first people that came to mind. 6 00:00:31,360 --> 00:00:33,559 Speaker 1: I what ways respected the game obviously, but I respected 7 00:00:33,560 --> 00:00:35,600 Speaker 1: his mental more just the way he's approached life and 8 00:00:35,760 --> 00:00:38,440 Speaker 1: the game. Me and Jack been chasing this nigga for 9 00:00:38,479 --> 00:00:41,159 Speaker 1: two years and we finally kind of, man, but it's 10 00:00:41,159 --> 00:00:43,440 Speaker 1: only right to hundred episode. We're here and we're in 11 00:00:43,440 --> 00:00:49,680 Speaker 1: New York, and we got mellow here, man, So let's 12 00:00:49,680 --> 00:00:51,880 Speaker 1: get right to it. Man. Eighteen years in the league, 13 00:00:52,880 --> 00:00:56,160 Speaker 1: this COVID is kind of obviously, the pandemic is taken 14 00:00:56,200 --> 00:00:57,440 Speaker 1: over the world. But what has it been like for 15 00:00:57,480 --> 00:01:01,160 Speaker 1: you as a player in the health and safety protocols 16 00:01:01,160 --> 00:01:03,000 Speaker 1: and all the stuff you have to do outside of 17 00:01:03,040 --> 00:01:05,640 Speaker 1: actually having to getting to play the game. It was tough, 18 00:01:05,880 --> 00:01:08,560 Speaker 1: Like I mean, going back to the bubble right with 19 00:01:08,640 --> 00:01:11,560 Speaker 1: those health and safety protocols, It's like it was like 20 00:01:11,600 --> 00:01:13,320 Speaker 1: four knocks down there, you know what I'm saying. So 21 00:01:13,360 --> 00:01:15,800 Speaker 1: you really had to be on it, and it was serious, 22 00:01:15,880 --> 00:01:18,520 Speaker 1: Like I think a lot of guys didn't know understand 23 00:01:18,520 --> 00:01:20,120 Speaker 1: what it was gonna be like. But it was serious 24 00:01:20,120 --> 00:01:22,280 Speaker 1: down there that bubble as far as the protocols and 25 00:01:22,319 --> 00:01:25,959 Speaker 1: all that. So I just followed protocols, man, then what 26 00:01:26,000 --> 00:01:28,600 Speaker 1: I had to do and let everybody else do their job. 27 00:01:28,640 --> 00:01:30,720 Speaker 1: At the end of the day. People don't understand how 28 00:01:30,840 --> 00:01:33,440 Speaker 1: mental this game is. I mean, obviously when you get 29 00:01:33,480 --> 00:01:36,000 Speaker 1: to the top level, is this is what allows you to, 30 00:01:36,160 --> 00:01:40,360 Speaker 1: you know, sustain your longevity. How has it been? Um, 31 00:01:40,400 --> 00:01:42,679 Speaker 1: you know, you had a point where you had to 32 00:01:42,720 --> 00:01:45,639 Speaker 1: take a whole year off. It wasn't really by your choice. 33 00:01:45,760 --> 00:01:48,160 Speaker 1: How did you stay mentally locked in knowing that you 34 00:01:48,160 --> 00:01:49,840 Speaker 1: still have the ability and the skill to do it, 35 00:01:49,880 --> 00:01:51,760 Speaker 1: but you wasn't getting the opportunity. Yeah, but you know, 36 00:01:51,840 --> 00:01:56,000 Speaker 1: like training is like for me, that's it became my lifestyle. 37 00:01:56,080 --> 00:01:59,160 Speaker 1: So it's like I never was gonna stop training. It 38 00:01:59,240 --> 00:02:02,000 Speaker 1: was just one point didn't know what I was training for. 39 00:02:02,280 --> 00:02:03,520 Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, like what team I was 40 00:02:03,520 --> 00:02:05,400 Speaker 1: gonna go to, what situation I was gonna be And 41 00:02:05,480 --> 00:02:09,000 Speaker 1: so I'm just in the gym, just working on ship 42 00:02:09,040 --> 00:02:10,959 Speaker 1: that I already know how to do. You know, what 43 00:02:11,000 --> 00:02:14,120 Speaker 1: I'm saying, it's it's it's it's second nation to me. 44 00:02:14,480 --> 00:02:16,239 Speaker 1: So I didn't know what situation I was going and 45 00:02:16,360 --> 00:02:18,600 Speaker 1: so that was a hard part. The mental part, the 46 00:02:18,639 --> 00:02:20,960 Speaker 1: tough part was like, damn, you don't know where you're 47 00:02:20,960 --> 00:02:23,520 Speaker 1: gonna be at. You know, you start hearing because they 48 00:02:23,600 --> 00:02:26,640 Speaker 1: let me go in November, like November early, so it 49 00:02:26,760 --> 00:02:30,000 Speaker 1: was like de Sember fifteen. You don't get picked up 50 00:02:30,160 --> 00:02:34,560 Speaker 1: January with the January fifteen wait till it was it 51 00:02:34,680 --> 00:02:36,640 Speaker 1: ever teams or just this is the like the point 52 00:02:36,680 --> 00:02:38,440 Speaker 1: in the sc or the season where they would look 53 00:02:38,440 --> 00:02:40,359 Speaker 1: at we. I mean we was in the first ten 54 00:02:40,440 --> 00:02:43,160 Speaker 1: games of the season, so we didn't even get a 55 00:02:43,240 --> 00:02:45,480 Speaker 1: chance to see what the team can really be about. 56 00:02:45,480 --> 00:02:47,120 Speaker 1: You know, you're still working out the Kings and people 57 00:02:47,160 --> 00:02:49,840 Speaker 1: ain't playing preseason guys. It's hurt, so you trying to 58 00:02:49,880 --> 00:02:52,280 Speaker 1: figure it out. But that whole yeah, it was just 59 00:02:52,320 --> 00:02:53,720 Speaker 1: like I had to like just say fun it like 60 00:02:53,760 --> 00:02:56,680 Speaker 1: I'm getting away from the game of basketball, because when 61 00:02:56,720 --> 00:02:59,359 Speaker 1: you love something and they don't love you back no more, 62 00:02:59,680 --> 00:03:01,440 Speaker 1: it ain't no point, it ain't no point to even 63 00:03:01,440 --> 00:03:03,960 Speaker 1: giving put your own into it. So but I always said, 64 00:03:03,960 --> 00:03:05,680 Speaker 1: I'm like you know, I'll keep my body right. I'm 65 00:03:05,680 --> 00:03:07,799 Speaker 1: a train, I work out. My son had me right 66 00:03:08,200 --> 00:03:11,239 Speaker 1: being around his teammates and going to AU tournament. That's 67 00:03:11,240 --> 00:03:14,720 Speaker 1: what really got me motivated again to get back. Yeah, 68 00:03:14,760 --> 00:03:17,040 Speaker 1: because I was like, I'm done with the game, the game. 69 00:03:17,080 --> 00:03:19,200 Speaker 1: Don't let me know where I let the game. I 70 00:03:19,240 --> 00:03:21,320 Speaker 1: can't deal with this, after all you gave to the 71 00:03:21,320 --> 00:03:24,959 Speaker 1: game that I'm like seventeen in, like sixteen sixteen in 72 00:03:25,080 --> 00:03:27,720 Speaker 1: at that point in town soon and I'm talking to people, 73 00:03:27,760 --> 00:03:29,320 Speaker 1: They're like, no, I don't give I'm like, now, I 74 00:03:29,360 --> 00:03:32,600 Speaker 1: ain't giving up, but it's written. You know what I'm 75 00:03:32,639 --> 00:03:34,560 Speaker 1: saying that I'll be cool with walking away with the game. 76 00:03:34,840 --> 00:03:37,120 Speaker 1: I'm set, I'm not straight. My family is good. I'm 77 00:03:37,240 --> 00:03:39,440 Speaker 1: I'm such. We and Jack were big advocates the whole time. 78 00:03:39,440 --> 00:03:42,280 Speaker 1: We run a while, but we're telling these people on 79 00:03:42,320 --> 00:03:43,880 Speaker 1: these shows like what the fun is going on? Man? 80 00:03:43,880 --> 00:03:46,000 Speaker 1: How's this dude not picked up? How's no one playing? 81 00:03:46,040 --> 00:03:48,160 Speaker 1: But you know you're hung in there. You landed on 82 00:03:48,160 --> 00:03:50,480 Speaker 1: your feet with the Portland Trailers. What has that experience 83 00:03:50,520 --> 00:03:52,440 Speaker 1: been like for that organization? And then get a chance 84 00:03:52,440 --> 00:03:54,400 Speaker 1: to play with Damon c JS. Well, it was so 85 00:03:54,520 --> 00:03:56,720 Speaker 1: Portland really stepped out there and like, all right, we 86 00:03:56,800 --> 00:04:00,400 Speaker 1: gonna We're gonna make it work. I was hesitant about 87 00:04:00,400 --> 00:04:02,800 Speaker 1: that situation too, because I'm like, I just dealt with 88 00:04:03,720 --> 00:04:05,800 Speaker 1: this situation. I don't really you know, you gotta let 89 00:04:05,800 --> 00:04:07,080 Speaker 1: me know, put the sh it on the table at 90 00:04:07,080 --> 00:04:10,240 Speaker 1: this point, because I really stepped away from the game. 91 00:04:10,480 --> 00:04:12,440 Speaker 1: So whatever you bring into me got to be solid. 92 00:04:12,920 --> 00:04:16,240 Speaker 1: Portland was real solid. Uh. They brought me in and 93 00:04:16,240 --> 00:04:18,520 Speaker 1: I played it right away. And that's all I haven't 94 00:04:18,520 --> 00:04:20,559 Speaker 1: wanted to do was just hoop man. I love the hoops. 95 00:04:20,600 --> 00:04:22,520 Speaker 1: I wanted to be on the court that I'm playing 96 00:04:22,520 --> 00:04:25,360 Speaker 1: with Dame, like with CJ. They oh, they opened their 97 00:04:25,440 --> 00:04:27,320 Speaker 1: arms up, they open they they sitting up to me 98 00:04:27,320 --> 00:04:29,599 Speaker 1: and their organization. So I had to be loyal to 99 00:04:29,640 --> 00:04:31,400 Speaker 1: those guys, like I'm gonna give you what I got. 100 00:04:31,480 --> 00:04:34,960 Speaker 1: You understanding Dame is a real one because Dame always 101 00:04:35,360 --> 00:04:38,640 Speaker 1: knew like we don't care about what nobody else is saying, 102 00:04:38,640 --> 00:04:40,560 Speaker 1: like we know you can play, I know you can play. 103 00:04:40,720 --> 00:04:43,120 Speaker 1: I see you, I'll talk to you. So when you 104 00:04:43,120 --> 00:04:45,600 Speaker 1: get somebody like that rocket with you, it makes it. 105 00:04:45,600 --> 00:04:47,599 Speaker 1: It makes that situation is and you'll always want to 106 00:04:47,600 --> 00:04:50,320 Speaker 1: play together anyway around. Yeah, I always was connected with 107 00:04:50,360 --> 00:04:52,520 Speaker 1: Portland some way, somehow. I don't know why, but I 108 00:04:52,520 --> 00:04:55,400 Speaker 1: always was connected with Portland. I mean I could have 109 00:04:55,480 --> 00:04:58,160 Speaker 1: been there four years ago, you know what I'm saying. 110 00:04:58,200 --> 00:05:01,360 Speaker 1: So it didn't work out, but time. I always always 111 00:05:01,680 --> 00:05:04,680 Speaker 1: told myself, like Dame will always go down as one 112 00:05:04,680 --> 00:05:08,240 Speaker 1: of my top dogs. Forget basketball, guys, as a human being, 113 00:05:08,320 --> 00:05:09,640 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, that it don't get better 114 00:05:09,640 --> 00:05:11,760 Speaker 1: than that. Yeah, we'll get back to basketball later, but 115 00:05:11,839 --> 00:05:15,039 Speaker 1: talk to us about your upbringing. Uh, you know, Brooklyn, Baltimore, 116 00:05:15,839 --> 00:05:18,320 Speaker 1: what was your with your childhood and teenager? Was like 117 00:05:18,640 --> 00:05:20,760 Speaker 1: it was tough, man, it was. I mean it's every 118 00:05:20,800 --> 00:05:22,920 Speaker 1: hook got the same story at the end of the day. 119 00:05:22,960 --> 00:05:27,040 Speaker 1: But going from New York Brooklyn in the height of 120 00:05:27,480 --> 00:05:30,320 Speaker 1: the early nineties, you know that that that crack ever 121 00:05:30,440 --> 00:05:33,200 Speaker 1: hitting you know, it's it's like I'm growing up in that. 122 00:05:33,360 --> 00:05:35,240 Speaker 1: I didn't know it, but I'm growing up in that. 123 00:05:35,760 --> 00:05:38,800 Speaker 1: And then I go from that situation to be more 124 00:05:38,800 --> 00:05:41,640 Speaker 1: it is like worse. It was worse, but I thought 125 00:05:41,680 --> 00:05:43,680 Speaker 1: it was better. I got I had to add I'm 126 00:05:43,680 --> 00:05:45,560 Speaker 1: out the projects now, but I'm in the house. I'm 127 00:05:45,600 --> 00:05:48,520 Speaker 1: in the row house. I'm like, okay, bedroom a little bigger, 128 00:05:49,040 --> 00:05:51,440 Speaker 1: another extra room, you know what I'm saying. I feel good. 129 00:05:51,480 --> 00:05:54,280 Speaker 1: But I went to Baltimore to sum of ninety two 130 00:05:54,760 --> 00:05:57,120 Speaker 1: and that was the heyday of you know, it was 131 00:05:57,200 --> 00:05:59,360 Speaker 1: it was body more murder Land at that point in time. 132 00:05:59,400 --> 00:06:01,359 Speaker 1: The pharmacy, you know what I'm saying. That the wire 133 00:06:01,480 --> 00:06:04,280 Speaker 1: like all of that stuff started to hip. And I'm 134 00:06:04,320 --> 00:06:06,800 Speaker 1: just a product of that environment, man, And I I'll 135 00:06:06,800 --> 00:06:09,719 Speaker 1: never forget that ever. Ever. I would never forget that moment. 136 00:06:10,680 --> 00:06:13,560 Speaker 1: Members of Brooklyn. As a kid run up in Brooklyn. 137 00:06:14,080 --> 00:06:16,919 Speaker 1: So Brooklyn, like I never left out of. I was 138 00:06:16,960 --> 00:06:19,880 Speaker 1: born in red Hook, Brooklyn. So people who know red 139 00:06:19,920 --> 00:06:23,480 Speaker 1: Hook is like it's like an island within the island. 140 00:06:23,600 --> 00:06:25,120 Speaker 1: You know, it's one way in, one way out of 141 00:06:25,120 --> 00:06:26,560 Speaker 1: red Hook, you know what I'm saying. So you don't 142 00:06:26,560 --> 00:06:30,920 Speaker 1: go outside of outside of red Hook. I never knew Manhattan. 143 00:06:30,960 --> 00:06:35,440 Speaker 1: I never knew the Bronx. I just never did that. 144 00:06:35,720 --> 00:06:37,680 Speaker 1: I never went to the Bronx until I got older, 145 00:06:37,720 --> 00:06:39,200 Speaker 1: until I was in the league. And I'm like, I 146 00:06:39,240 --> 00:06:42,120 Speaker 1: ain't I still don't feel comfortable over here, and I'm safe, 147 00:06:42,160 --> 00:06:44,839 Speaker 1: but I feel I still don't feel comfortable. So it 148 00:06:44,920 --> 00:06:47,680 Speaker 1: was just hard growing up in Brooklyn, man as a kid, 149 00:06:47,760 --> 00:06:50,560 Speaker 1: and you're seeing you know, I had everything though as 150 00:06:50,839 --> 00:06:55,040 Speaker 1: far as experience. You know, people fighting, slab boxing, you know, 151 00:06:55,120 --> 00:06:57,040 Speaker 1: dope dope, you know dope fings right there on the 152 00:06:57,080 --> 00:07:00,920 Speaker 1: stupid walking outside, you kicking needles, you you running, you're 153 00:07:01,000 --> 00:07:03,440 Speaker 1: running past you know, the sales over here to go 154 00:07:03,520 --> 00:07:05,560 Speaker 1: play ball, and you see guns shots, and you just 155 00:07:06,520 --> 00:07:10,760 Speaker 1: there's nothing. I'm told I became immune to that. M 156 00:07:11,000 --> 00:07:14,480 Speaker 1: hm uh. You have a memoir coming up where tomorrow's 157 00:07:14,520 --> 00:07:17,880 Speaker 1: aren't promised, coming out September fourteen. Talk to us about 158 00:07:17,880 --> 00:07:20,400 Speaker 1: that project. And you know, obviously you're someone who doesn't 159 00:07:20,400 --> 00:07:22,640 Speaker 1: really speak very much, and that was tough on you 160 00:07:22,680 --> 00:07:24,320 Speaker 1: know what, I meant to really open up and be 161 00:07:24,440 --> 00:07:28,160 Speaker 1: vulnerable and show your real upbringing in life. How was 162 00:07:28,160 --> 00:07:30,240 Speaker 1: that for you? It was a tough. It was tough, man, 163 00:07:30,280 --> 00:07:35,960 Speaker 1: because you start, it's therapeutic, so you gotta go back 164 00:07:36,800 --> 00:07:40,400 Speaker 1: and and relive those moments and relive those stories. I 165 00:07:40,440 --> 00:07:44,480 Speaker 1: didn't want to touch anything after I got drafted, because 166 00:07:44,720 --> 00:07:47,760 Speaker 1: everybody knows that story. I really wanted to people. I 167 00:07:47,800 --> 00:07:50,080 Speaker 1: really wanted to connect with the youngers out there to 168 00:07:50,160 --> 00:07:52,520 Speaker 1: let them know, like what I went to sh it 169 00:07:52,520 --> 00:07:54,280 Speaker 1: ain't sweet, Like you know, you don't just make it 170 00:07:54,280 --> 00:07:56,560 Speaker 1: to the NBA like that. You don't just have eighteen 171 00:07:56,600 --> 00:07:58,840 Speaker 1: years in the NBA like that. So I wanted to 172 00:07:58,880 --> 00:08:01,239 Speaker 1: start from the beginning. So I started from the beginning, 173 00:08:01,360 --> 00:08:03,800 Speaker 1: and I in the book the day I shook when 174 00:08:03,840 --> 00:08:06,680 Speaker 1: I walked on the stage, David, I said, last, that's 175 00:08:06,760 --> 00:08:09,840 Speaker 1: that's it, and all of that story from from Brooklyn 176 00:08:09,960 --> 00:08:13,440 Speaker 1: to Baltimore, family cousins, ship that I had to go 177 00:08:13,560 --> 00:08:16,400 Speaker 1: through should I had to deal with seeing ship as 178 00:08:16,440 --> 00:08:18,240 Speaker 1: a kid that you ain't supposed to see as a kid, 179 00:08:18,800 --> 00:08:21,000 Speaker 1: and you just you see it and you just walk 180 00:08:21,080 --> 00:08:22,840 Speaker 1: on by. So I felt like, I like this was 181 00:08:23,160 --> 00:08:26,480 Speaker 1: the timing of me writing that book. It was needed. 182 00:08:26,600 --> 00:08:30,240 Speaker 1: He was the process about the years have changed, man, 183 00:08:30,360 --> 00:08:33,960 Speaker 1: It was because again I wanted it to be so 184 00:08:34,160 --> 00:08:36,720 Speaker 1: real and so authentically. I ain't hold no punches in 185 00:08:36,720 --> 00:08:39,680 Speaker 1: the book. So I had to go back and act 186 00:08:39,800 --> 00:08:42,839 Speaker 1: those stories, like make sure people validated the ship that 187 00:08:42,880 --> 00:08:44,679 Speaker 1: I was saying, because saying it from my saying it 188 00:08:44,720 --> 00:08:46,400 Speaker 1: from my point of view is a lot different than 189 00:08:46,960 --> 00:08:48,920 Speaker 1: other people's point of view. So I had to every 190 00:08:48,960 --> 00:08:51,760 Speaker 1: story was like yo, do you remember that? So they 191 00:08:51,800 --> 00:08:53,559 Speaker 1: had to validate that, you know, because I ain't want 192 00:08:53,559 --> 00:08:56,200 Speaker 1: nobody but like this snick of mellow Live, I adn't 193 00:08:56,240 --> 00:08:58,840 Speaker 1: want that, so they had to really validate those stories. 194 00:08:58,880 --> 00:09:01,040 Speaker 1: So that's why I took the I says a lot 195 00:09:01,160 --> 00:09:05,480 Speaker 1: of tears during the time. It wasn't no tears, man, Honestly, 196 00:09:05,520 --> 00:09:08,080 Speaker 1: it was just like like I can't believe I made it, 197 00:09:08,840 --> 00:09:10,480 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Like Damn, Like, yo, you 198 00:09:10,559 --> 00:09:14,880 Speaker 1: really people need to hit it because often too because 199 00:09:14,880 --> 00:09:16,680 Speaker 1: of may you're still in it, but you never really 200 00:09:16,679 --> 00:09:18,640 Speaker 1: get a tance to step back and like, damn, look 201 00:09:18,679 --> 00:09:20,160 Speaker 1: where I came from, looking what I did, look at 202 00:09:20,200 --> 00:09:22,320 Speaker 1: by accomplished, because you're still in the mid You're still 203 00:09:22,360 --> 00:09:24,839 Speaker 1: in the mix. And so that's why I always found 204 00:09:24,880 --> 00:09:28,000 Speaker 1: myself like going back and being in there. And it's 205 00:09:28,040 --> 00:09:30,920 Speaker 1: like I never left. I stayed tapped into the you know, 206 00:09:30,960 --> 00:09:32,960 Speaker 1: to my streets in my hood and my people because 207 00:09:33,520 --> 00:09:35,480 Speaker 1: I was that and I never got a chance to 208 00:09:35,559 --> 00:09:39,040 Speaker 1: like decompress on the upbringing, you know what I'm saying. 209 00:09:39,080 --> 00:09:42,400 Speaker 1: I went from high school one year, one year, o 210 00:09:42,520 --> 00:09:45,960 Speaker 1: kill one year, Syatuse, drafted to the NBA. I've never 211 00:09:46,000 --> 00:09:48,240 Speaker 1: even it took me eight years ago back to watch 212 00:09:48,280 --> 00:09:50,760 Speaker 1: the National Championship. I never watched the Challenge and actually 213 00:09:50,720 --> 00:09:53,200 Speaker 1: my National Championship game because I just didn't have a 214 00:09:53,200 --> 00:09:55,680 Speaker 1: moment to like sit and just sit still. So and 215 00:09:55,720 --> 00:09:57,840 Speaker 1: I always try to go back and you know, get 216 00:09:57,880 --> 00:10:00,360 Speaker 1: that love and get that feeling. Just those stories is man, 217 00:10:00,400 --> 00:10:05,600 Speaker 1: That's what motivation keeps me going. Talk to us about 218 00:10:05,679 --> 00:10:07,680 Speaker 1: your high school experience. Obviously one of the top players 219 00:10:07,679 --> 00:10:10,880 Speaker 1: in the country started talented Catholic, eventually moved on to Oakhill. 220 00:10:10,920 --> 00:10:16,000 Speaker 1: But what was your high school un most NBA players 221 00:10:16,000 --> 00:10:20,320 Speaker 1: in any school history indeed alumni. Indeed, Oh, I mean, 222 00:10:20,520 --> 00:10:24,920 Speaker 1: like I went to a Caffee school, right, So going 223 00:10:24,960 --> 00:10:28,720 Speaker 1: to Caffee school, it was hard coming in there with braids, 224 00:10:29,360 --> 00:10:31,240 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. From the projects. Gotta take 225 00:10:31,520 --> 00:10:33,840 Speaker 1: two trains a bus to get to school every morning. 226 00:10:34,480 --> 00:10:36,079 Speaker 1: You know, I'm getting getting to school. Have it where 227 00:10:36,120 --> 00:10:38,920 Speaker 1: you can get to school. And I really was. I 228 00:10:39,000 --> 00:10:42,880 Speaker 1: was good, but I wasn't the top player in the 229 00:10:42,960 --> 00:10:46,160 Speaker 1: country good. I was locally good. People knew me because 230 00:10:46,200 --> 00:10:48,760 Speaker 1: I played in the streets and I played with my 231 00:10:48,800 --> 00:10:51,559 Speaker 1: neighborhood wherever my neighborhood went. That's what we was playing with, 232 00:10:51,600 --> 00:10:53,960 Speaker 1: played for money, whatever whoever you was, we was rocking out. 233 00:10:54,320 --> 00:10:56,360 Speaker 1: So when I got to Townson, Cal, I bought that 234 00:10:57,040 --> 00:10:59,040 Speaker 1: with me. So by the time I get to my 235 00:10:59,120 --> 00:11:01,720 Speaker 1: junior year, they kicked me out. You know a lot 236 00:11:01,720 --> 00:11:03,280 Speaker 1: of people don't know that I got kicked out of 237 00:11:03,400 --> 00:11:06,880 Speaker 1: Times of Catholic my junior year because I have braids. 238 00:11:07,600 --> 00:11:10,200 Speaker 1: They were just you know, they was it was racism. 239 00:11:10,240 --> 00:11:11,680 Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying that I didn't know that 240 00:11:11,720 --> 00:11:14,000 Speaker 1: I was a part of the racism at that point 241 00:11:14,000 --> 00:11:16,320 Speaker 1: in time. And you know, you you're walking around and 242 00:11:16,640 --> 00:11:19,839 Speaker 1: you know, the moms senior and then the archdioce is 243 00:11:19,880 --> 00:11:21,839 Speaker 1: looking at you like what you gotta take your help. 244 00:11:22,200 --> 00:11:23,959 Speaker 1: I'm like, no, I can't do that. You know what 245 00:11:23,960 --> 00:11:27,240 Speaker 1: I'm saying. My toe was crooked. You got detention, like 246 00:11:27,280 --> 00:11:30,720 Speaker 1: they was picking on me. So by time my junior ended, 247 00:11:31,520 --> 00:11:35,080 Speaker 1: I had so many detentions accumulated that I had to 248 00:11:35,120 --> 00:11:38,400 Speaker 1: come back that summer in order to get my transcript, 249 00:11:38,520 --> 00:11:40,360 Speaker 1: my report card. And I'm like I'm done with that, 250 00:11:40,400 --> 00:11:43,160 Speaker 1: Like I ain't about to come into summons scrub tables, 251 00:11:43,200 --> 00:11:46,400 Speaker 1: and you know, wastch books, so I'm not man something time. 252 00:11:47,080 --> 00:11:49,200 Speaker 1: So I got kicked out. They kicked me out. I 253 00:11:49,240 --> 00:11:51,080 Speaker 1: had to go to someone school anyway, and then I 254 00:11:51,200 --> 00:11:53,720 Speaker 1: ended up at Old Kill, which which really changed my 255 00:11:53,720 --> 00:11:57,520 Speaker 1: whole life. ABCD camp I specially the experience. I gotta 256 00:11:57,520 --> 00:12:02,640 Speaker 1: take a drink on now cheer to mellow being in 257 00:12:02,679 --> 00:12:08,760 Speaker 1: a hun episode. I don't even drink red one. But 258 00:12:08,800 --> 00:12:12,640 Speaker 1: for Melow you know, A b C D camp, Man 259 00:12:12,840 --> 00:12:15,800 Speaker 1: was like, it was like Golden Hoops. Man, It's like 260 00:12:15,880 --> 00:12:19,640 Speaker 1: you there, and it's like Who's who? Like who I'm 261 00:12:19,640 --> 00:12:23,000 Speaker 1: matched up with this whole week? But I was I 262 00:12:23,080 --> 00:12:24,640 Speaker 1: was a late bloomer, right, so I had to go 263 00:12:24,640 --> 00:12:27,560 Speaker 1: to summer school because of my transcript, so I couldn't 264 00:12:27,600 --> 00:12:30,480 Speaker 1: go to Nike camp. They had me on they had 265 00:12:30,480 --> 00:12:33,800 Speaker 1: me on the waiting list, and Nike Camp had me 266 00:12:33,800 --> 00:12:36,080 Speaker 1: in the waiting list at Nike Camp. People don't know 267 00:12:36,120 --> 00:12:39,280 Speaker 1: that either. Five Star Camp. I went to five Star. 268 00:12:40,320 --> 00:12:41,920 Speaker 1: That was like one of the only camps that I 269 00:12:41,960 --> 00:12:45,040 Speaker 1: went to. Uh, and then I go to ABC but 270 00:12:45,080 --> 00:12:48,760 Speaker 1: I'm not O kill O Kills at Jordan's school, a 271 00:12:48,880 --> 00:12:52,520 Speaker 1: b C D is and Sunny is like, yeah, I 272 00:12:52,559 --> 00:12:55,160 Speaker 1: just I need you for one day, Just come for 273 00:12:55,240 --> 00:12:58,920 Speaker 1: one day. I'm like, nah, like I'm Jordan's out, I 274 00:12:58,920 --> 00:13:01,040 Speaker 1: can't wear didas I ain't. You know, no disrespect, but 275 00:13:01,280 --> 00:13:04,480 Speaker 1: at that point you can do it. And Sonny was like, 276 00:13:04,520 --> 00:13:05,760 Speaker 1: I said, the only way I would come if you 277 00:13:05,840 --> 00:13:08,160 Speaker 1: bring my man with me. My man gotta play because 278 00:13:08,160 --> 00:13:09,560 Speaker 1: I'm trying to get him off the block and get 279 00:13:09,600 --> 00:13:13,000 Speaker 1: him in school, which which turned out good. And I'm like, yeah, 280 00:13:13,000 --> 00:13:15,280 Speaker 1: I got I'm wearing my Jordan's likes. I was the 281 00:13:15,320 --> 00:13:18,040 Speaker 1: only person ever in the history of ANBC D can't 282 00:13:18,080 --> 00:13:20,640 Speaker 1: to where Jordan's There was a a j six days 283 00:13:20,679 --> 00:13:23,240 Speaker 1: and I'll never forget that. But they try to set 284 00:13:23,280 --> 00:13:27,680 Speaker 1: me up. Lenny Cook first Lebron at night, Framon Felt 285 00:13:27,720 --> 00:13:29,800 Speaker 1: the next day. You know what I'm saying, all these 286 00:13:29,880 --> 00:13:32,680 Speaker 1: big time players, I'm like, let's get it, like this 287 00:13:32,760 --> 00:13:34,440 Speaker 1: is my coming out part, you know what I'm saying. 288 00:13:34,440 --> 00:13:36,320 Speaker 1: So I only got a chance to play against Lenny 289 00:13:36,640 --> 00:13:39,840 Speaker 1: that one game and the rest is history. After that, 290 00:13:40,000 --> 00:13:42,040 Speaker 1: talked to us about good because I don't think obviously 291 00:13:42,080 --> 00:13:43,720 Speaker 1: he's had his story, but I don't think people unless 292 00:13:43,720 --> 00:13:46,120 Speaker 1: your basketball head know how good Lenny Cook was. Lady 293 00:13:46,160 --> 00:13:48,199 Speaker 1: was good Man he was. He was six eight, you 294 00:13:48,240 --> 00:13:51,880 Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, long arms, quick feet, quick hands. 295 00:13:52,480 --> 00:13:54,240 Speaker 1: You know. He was a big guard, the point guard, 296 00:13:54,240 --> 00:13:57,640 Speaker 1: six eight point guard, pick you up, full court, rowdy, 297 00:13:57,720 --> 00:13:59,199 Speaker 1: you know he was. He was. He was one of them. 298 00:13:59,240 --> 00:14:01,000 Speaker 1: He was. He was cut from where we was coming from, 299 00:14:01,080 --> 00:14:03,720 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So I respected him for that. 300 00:14:03,800 --> 00:14:05,360 Speaker 1: I didn't know him like that, but I respect to 301 00:14:05,440 --> 00:14:08,040 Speaker 1: him because I see him like, oh, this is this 302 00:14:08,120 --> 00:14:09,880 Speaker 1: is the type of time I need, Like you know, 303 00:14:09,920 --> 00:14:12,200 Speaker 1: I need this type of time just gonna bring something 304 00:14:12,200 --> 00:14:15,600 Speaker 1: else out of me. I played against that. So then 305 00:14:15,600 --> 00:14:17,520 Speaker 1: he was Lenny was a real job. I give him that. 306 00:14:18,080 --> 00:14:20,400 Speaker 1: When did you and Lebron start playing each other and 307 00:14:20,400 --> 00:14:24,000 Speaker 1: start developing a friendship. So Lebron is one year, one year, 308 00:14:25,080 --> 00:14:28,280 Speaker 1: So we played and um when I get the old 309 00:14:28,400 --> 00:14:32,040 Speaker 1: kill brought him, had beat o kill the previous year, 310 00:14:32,760 --> 00:14:35,840 Speaker 1: and I'm like, yeah, I gotta play against him, like 311 00:14:36,160 --> 00:14:38,200 Speaker 1: it's on the schedule. We got him, we gotta make 312 00:14:38,240 --> 00:14:40,640 Speaker 1: it happen. I knew nothing. I ain't never see him 313 00:14:40,680 --> 00:14:42,680 Speaker 1: none of that because back then he was a pamphlet 314 00:14:43,480 --> 00:14:45,600 Speaker 1: telling what I'm saying. There's no internet. You didn't know 315 00:14:45,640 --> 00:14:47,680 Speaker 1: who it was you seen him in the gym. It 316 00:14:47,720 --> 00:14:49,640 Speaker 1: was Bob Gimmon's report. You know what I'm saying, So 317 00:14:49,720 --> 00:14:53,840 Speaker 1: well in the box down the number one player. So 318 00:14:54,120 --> 00:14:56,360 Speaker 1: that's who you're going after at that point. So we 319 00:14:56,480 --> 00:14:59,360 Speaker 1: get the jersey and we planned a prime time shootout 320 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:02,240 Speaker 1: and he coming to the hotel and we're coming in 321 00:15:02,280 --> 00:15:05,680 Speaker 1: the hotel and he's like, yo, you mellow, like you know, 322 00:15:05,800 --> 00:15:08,360 Speaker 1: you mello him like yeah, And we sat on the steps. 323 00:15:08,640 --> 00:15:10,400 Speaker 1: It was All Star weeking in Philly too, so we 324 00:15:10,440 --> 00:15:13,840 Speaker 1: sat on the steps for hours the night before the game, like, 325 00:15:13,880 --> 00:15:15,760 Speaker 1: I don't know nothing about you, dog, you don't know 326 00:15:15,800 --> 00:15:18,680 Speaker 1: nothing about me. And we sat there for hours just 327 00:15:18,760 --> 00:15:22,240 Speaker 1: kicking and just talking, man, and we clicked from that moment, 328 00:15:22,320 --> 00:15:23,360 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. We just felt like we 329 00:15:23,400 --> 00:15:25,720 Speaker 1: had similar backgrounds. You know what I'm saying. You're single parent, 330 00:15:25,840 --> 00:15:29,280 Speaker 1: home broken family, growing up in the hood. You know, 331 00:15:29,320 --> 00:15:32,440 Speaker 1: it's that was a similar story. So we we connected 332 00:15:32,480 --> 00:15:36,440 Speaker 1: all of that before before basketball. That's that's then. That's 333 00:15:36,480 --> 00:15:38,760 Speaker 1: where you do that. That's where you especially with two 334 00:15:38,760 --> 00:15:42,040 Speaker 1: players being at the top like that, y'all dug into 335 00:15:42,040 --> 00:15:44,840 Speaker 1: each other as people. Absolutely basketball, So I can you 336 00:15:44,880 --> 00:15:47,480 Speaker 1: can it's easy to understand now your relationship, Yeah, because 337 00:15:47,520 --> 00:15:50,520 Speaker 1: I was looking. I was looking for some type of 338 00:15:50,560 --> 00:15:53,440 Speaker 1: relationship like that with somebody. Yeah, and he was looking 339 00:15:53,440 --> 00:15:55,920 Speaker 1: for that as well. So we came in each other's 340 00:15:55,960 --> 00:15:58,160 Speaker 1: lives at the right time. You know what I'm saying. 341 00:15:58,320 --> 00:16:01,480 Speaker 1: We was both looking for, you know, that brotherhood that 342 00:16:01,640 --> 00:16:03,560 Speaker 1: you know, that that brother that we can rely on 343 00:16:03,640 --> 00:16:06,200 Speaker 1: and talk to. And we had that. We that ship 344 00:16:06,240 --> 00:16:10,560 Speaker 1: clicked right away. Besides Sarah's strap beside Syracuse, who else 345 00:16:10,560 --> 00:16:13,480 Speaker 1: was gonna run to get you? In college? Yeah, I 346 00:16:13,480 --> 00:16:18,680 Speaker 1: committed to like five schools trying to figure it out. 347 00:16:18,880 --> 00:16:22,400 Speaker 1: Committed because I was just happy, Like what, I'm walking 348 00:16:22,440 --> 00:16:24,920 Speaker 1: around school with the with the book bag full of 349 00:16:25,040 --> 00:16:28,280 Speaker 1: letters in my bag every day. It's a new school, 350 00:16:28,440 --> 00:16:32,200 Speaker 1: like I'm coming. But I committed. I committed early to 351 00:16:32,280 --> 00:16:34,840 Speaker 1: Syracuse my junior year on my birthday. That was like 352 00:16:34,880 --> 00:16:38,560 Speaker 1: my birthday present to me. And I was still at Tewson. 353 00:16:38,960 --> 00:16:41,000 Speaker 1: So when I get the old kill, I'm like, you 354 00:16:41,080 --> 00:16:43,200 Speaker 1: get millions of level. This is what I'm saying. When 355 00:16:43,200 --> 00:16:45,960 Speaker 1: you're walking and you're walking the gym, every college coach 356 00:16:46,000 --> 00:16:47,640 Speaker 1: in Americans in there, so they looking at me like 357 00:16:47,880 --> 00:16:49,760 Speaker 1: why are you signed with while you commit to Serracuse 358 00:16:50,280 --> 00:16:52,400 Speaker 1: and they're like, you know you only committed, you know 359 00:16:52,480 --> 00:16:54,200 Speaker 1: you did a you don't have to go. You don't 360 00:16:54,240 --> 00:16:56,080 Speaker 1: have to go. So I'm saying that and We're playing 361 00:16:56,120 --> 00:16:59,560 Speaker 1: in NBA scounsels in there. Every practice the practice was 362 00:16:59,600 --> 00:17:04,160 Speaker 1: like game. It was better than games. So at that point, 363 00:17:04,160 --> 00:17:06,440 Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, let me just let me just try 364 00:17:06,440 --> 00:17:08,600 Speaker 1: and I'm gonna open it back up. And then I 365 00:17:08,640 --> 00:17:11,880 Speaker 1: like I committed to like I went like Georgia, Georgia Tech. 366 00:17:12,000 --> 00:17:14,000 Speaker 1: Jerry Jack and Chris Bosh was going to down to 367 00:17:14,200 --> 00:17:16,040 Speaker 1: the Tech, so you know that that was one of 368 00:17:16,080 --> 00:17:19,119 Speaker 1: the schools. Jay Wright was just at just got the 369 00:17:19,200 --> 00:17:22,800 Speaker 1: job at Villanova. So I wanted to go to Villanova, 370 00:17:22,840 --> 00:17:25,879 Speaker 1: but they already had people. Carolina already had people in 371 00:17:25,920 --> 00:17:28,560 Speaker 1: my and my spot for guy who was there, Wald 372 00:17:28,600 --> 00:17:31,520 Speaker 1: Williams was there at that position your senior year in 373 00:17:31,560 --> 00:17:34,800 Speaker 1: high school O two my saying it was oto right. 374 00:17:35,160 --> 00:17:40,480 Speaker 1: So then Sarachuse was like they had Preston Shumper three 375 00:17:40,680 --> 00:17:42,560 Speaker 1: and he was leaving. So I was like, oh, I 376 00:17:42,560 --> 00:17:45,160 Speaker 1: can come right in and play right away. And that's 377 00:17:45,160 --> 00:17:47,760 Speaker 1: why I really stuck with. So what was that experience 378 00:17:47,800 --> 00:17:49,399 Speaker 1: like I mean, you guys caught magic in the bottom. 379 00:17:49,400 --> 00:17:52,560 Speaker 1: You who King Warwick with a Jerry McNamara. You guys 380 00:17:52,640 --> 00:17:54,800 Speaker 1: made that run and uh, you know, you're one year 381 00:17:54,840 --> 00:17:57,920 Speaker 1: in college you win the championship. I ain't never think 382 00:17:57,960 --> 00:18:00,679 Speaker 1: I would do that. Ship. I'm gonna be honest. We wasn't. 383 00:18:01,080 --> 00:18:04,000 Speaker 1: We was a good team, but I ain't ever think 384 00:18:04,040 --> 00:18:06,679 Speaker 1: we was gonna be that good, you know, like, you know, 385 00:18:06,720 --> 00:18:09,160 Speaker 1: we to go seventeen and oh at home. We never 386 00:18:09,240 --> 00:18:12,040 Speaker 1: I never lost in the Carrier though. People don't talk 387 00:18:12,080 --> 00:18:14,080 Speaker 1: about that enough. Yeah, it's hard to do, you know 388 00:18:14,119 --> 00:18:16,200 Speaker 1: what I'm saying. So especially the Big East, right and 389 00:18:16,240 --> 00:18:18,600 Speaker 1: the Biggest that's when the Big East was that that 390 00:18:18,680 --> 00:18:20,520 Speaker 1: point in time, this is the Big East, you know, 391 00:18:20,600 --> 00:18:23,359 Speaker 1: the heart of it. So being that Serri choose and 392 00:18:23,440 --> 00:18:25,600 Speaker 1: just that whole experience. Man, we just clicked. Like it 393 00:18:25,680 --> 00:18:28,920 Speaker 1: was just something that that clicked. We wasn't doing nothing special. 394 00:18:29,680 --> 00:18:32,880 Speaker 1: We clicked. And then once we started feeling more confident 395 00:18:32,880 --> 00:18:36,000 Speaker 1: about ourselves, we can beat this team, we can beat them. 396 00:18:36,000 --> 00:18:38,000 Speaker 1: Oh should we just beat Missouri? It was number five. 397 00:18:38,440 --> 00:18:42,080 Speaker 1: We just beat Georgia Tech. It was Okay, We're going 398 00:18:42,119 --> 00:18:45,440 Speaker 1: into the tournament and I'm like, look, all we gotta 399 00:18:45,440 --> 00:18:47,400 Speaker 1: do is get hot at the right time. That's all 400 00:18:47,440 --> 00:18:50,119 Speaker 1: it takes. That's it. And at that point it was 401 00:18:50,160 --> 00:18:52,240 Speaker 1: like we we knew we at that point, we knew 402 00:18:52,280 --> 00:18:54,800 Speaker 1: we was gonna win in that tympiship. What what was 403 00:18:54,840 --> 00:18:57,240 Speaker 1: your what was your mental I mean, obviously the NBA 404 00:18:57,359 --> 00:19:00,080 Speaker 1: is the goal, but College of Pits stopped you ever 405 00:19:00,080 --> 00:19:01,840 Speaker 1: think about jump stares the league? When you dig into 406 00:19:01,880 --> 00:19:03,359 Speaker 1: the college? Was it one and done? Like what was 407 00:19:03,400 --> 00:19:06,199 Speaker 1: your mind set there? I could have came out of 408 00:19:06,240 --> 00:19:09,640 Speaker 1: high school. But again, like people don't understand, like NBA 409 00:19:09,760 --> 00:19:12,239 Speaker 1: never was my goal, Like it never was. I just 410 00:19:12,280 --> 00:19:14,320 Speaker 1: felt like we can never I can never reach that. 411 00:19:14,800 --> 00:19:17,680 Speaker 1: And you hear so much, oh you hear the stats 412 00:19:18,440 --> 00:19:23,560 Speaker 1: or one out of every thousand. You know what I'm saying. There, 413 00:19:23,680 --> 00:19:25,440 Speaker 1: there's no chance in hell I'm gonna make the league. 414 00:19:25,440 --> 00:19:26,960 Speaker 1: So I ain't even thinking about the league. Let me 415 00:19:26,960 --> 00:19:29,160 Speaker 1: just get to college. So when I got to college, 416 00:19:29,920 --> 00:19:31,920 Speaker 1: I'm on campus. I'm like, I never want to leave 417 00:19:32,000 --> 00:19:35,800 Speaker 1: this ship. Like Sarah Sarah choose Big eas It's popping 418 00:19:35,920 --> 00:19:39,320 Speaker 1: up here like I'm staying. And if you go back 419 00:19:39,400 --> 00:19:43,680 Speaker 1: to the footage, even like my press conferences, I'm like, yo, 420 00:19:43,880 --> 00:19:46,320 Speaker 1: like forget one more year, Like I thought, you stay 421 00:19:46,359 --> 00:19:49,000 Speaker 1: in school for four years, Like I'm coming back the 422 00:19:49,119 --> 00:19:52,879 Speaker 1: Bay Howard Like, man, if you don't get your ship campus, 423 00:19:53,880 --> 00:19:56,200 Speaker 1: we ain't trying to hear that. So he really kicked 424 00:19:56,200 --> 00:20:00,840 Speaker 1: me off the campus man rightfully? So right so makes sense. 425 00:20:09,000 --> 00:20:12,000 Speaker 1: What was most memorable about your year year old three 426 00:20:12,040 --> 00:20:16,159 Speaker 1: draft class? I think the fact that we all like 427 00:20:16,720 --> 00:20:18,920 Speaker 1: supported each other, you know what I'm saying. Like me 428 00:20:19,000 --> 00:20:21,439 Speaker 1: and Braun knew each other first we came to New 429 00:20:21,520 --> 00:20:23,840 Speaker 1: York for the drive d Wade, you know, we were 430 00:20:23,880 --> 00:20:26,520 Speaker 1: linked up with d Way and it was just like 431 00:20:26,880 --> 00:20:30,240 Speaker 1: at that moment, just us three, just moving. So we 432 00:20:30,359 --> 00:20:33,560 Speaker 1: felt like we always had to hold each other down 433 00:20:33,680 --> 00:20:35,600 Speaker 1: no matter what, you know what I'm saying. And I 434 00:20:35,640 --> 00:20:38,680 Speaker 1: always felt like even though d Wade's older, I always 435 00:20:38,680 --> 00:20:41,520 Speaker 1: felt like big brother, you know what I'm saying. I 436 00:20:41,600 --> 00:20:45,160 Speaker 1: was the I was the gamest of the other bananim 437 00:20:45,400 --> 00:20:47,120 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. Like it was like anything 438 00:20:47,119 --> 00:20:49,840 Speaker 1: even when we was younger. I used to feel like 439 00:20:51,280 --> 00:20:54,159 Speaker 1: I had to protect Braun and in a sense when 440 00:20:54,200 --> 00:20:56,280 Speaker 1: I say protect him me and like if I'm watching 441 00:20:56,280 --> 00:20:59,119 Speaker 1: this game and they found him hard I felt like, 442 00:20:59,119 --> 00:21:01,400 Speaker 1: I gotta get back. I'm gonna kill him the next game, 443 00:21:01,440 --> 00:21:03,239 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. Like I got him the 444 00:21:03,240 --> 00:21:04,840 Speaker 1: next game, you know what I'm saying. So I always 445 00:21:04,920 --> 00:21:08,879 Speaker 1: felt like that. So that was always our dynamics with 446 00:21:08,920 --> 00:21:10,560 Speaker 1: that old three class. And then on top of that, 447 00:21:10,640 --> 00:21:14,000 Speaker 1: yet Chris Boss you know, went went down to Toronto. 448 00:21:14,040 --> 00:21:15,960 Speaker 1: We had David West. So it was a lot of 449 00:21:16,000 --> 00:21:18,960 Speaker 1: guys in our class that spread out. We had a 450 00:21:19,000 --> 00:21:23,280 Speaker 1: deep class, but those three or four guys we were connected. Now, 451 00:21:23,320 --> 00:21:24,720 Speaker 1: I don't know if you've ever thought about it. You 452 00:21:24,800 --> 00:21:28,960 Speaker 1: mighty in passing, but obviously Detroit skipped over. You took Darko. 453 00:21:29,520 --> 00:21:31,600 Speaker 1: Do you ever think because that was a good Detroit 454 00:21:31,640 --> 00:21:33,840 Speaker 1: team obviously went on in one championship, you ever think 455 00:21:33,840 --> 00:21:40,439 Speaker 1: of that my career right insert him, it was I'm 456 00:21:40,480 --> 00:21:43,480 Speaker 1: gonna tell you what, man, I like to this day, 457 00:21:43,920 --> 00:21:46,560 Speaker 1: I still think about that really look yeah, hell yeah, 458 00:21:46,720 --> 00:21:49,920 Speaker 1: Because I'm like they promised me. You know what I'm saying. 459 00:21:49,920 --> 00:21:53,320 Speaker 1: You know we're taking you were taken. I'm talking all 460 00:21:53,359 --> 00:21:57,440 Speaker 1: the way up to draft day, I understand we're taking you. 461 00:21:58,080 --> 00:22:00,280 Speaker 1: So in my mind, like I'm going to Detroit get 462 00:22:00,320 --> 00:22:05,000 Speaker 1: the Chauncey then change all these guys there. She came 463 00:22:05,000 --> 00:22:06,840 Speaker 1: in the middle of the year. I mean she got 464 00:22:06,880 --> 00:22:10,200 Speaker 1: traded and that's what really put them over the top. 465 00:22:10,240 --> 00:22:13,280 Speaker 1: But it was like, yo, you canna share time with 466 00:22:13,400 --> 00:22:15,840 Speaker 1: Like Tasha, I'm like cool, like I ain't you know, 467 00:22:15,840 --> 00:22:18,200 Speaker 1: I'm gonna come and do my thing, but I don't 468 00:22:18,200 --> 00:22:19,720 Speaker 1: know how locked my ship time will help, you know 469 00:22:19,760 --> 00:22:21,360 Speaker 1: what I'm saying, I'm just coming and do my thing. 470 00:22:22,520 --> 00:22:26,919 Speaker 1: And then they wanted and I'm like, my luck, you 471 00:22:26,920 --> 00:22:28,719 Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, Like if I'm I understand, If 472 00:22:28,640 --> 00:22:30,479 Speaker 1: I'm now, I think we want to they win another one, 473 00:22:31,560 --> 00:22:33,120 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Like I I wouldn't jump 474 00:22:33,119 --> 00:22:35,240 Speaker 1: out this and were three people, but I think we 475 00:22:35,359 --> 00:22:38,399 Speaker 1: go back to back. If if I'm there, because that 476 00:22:38,480 --> 00:22:40,280 Speaker 1: second year for me would have I would have learned 477 00:22:40,320 --> 00:22:42,240 Speaker 1: from those guys. It was all vets and I would 478 00:22:42,240 --> 00:22:44,840 Speaker 1: have learned from those guys in the way that that 479 00:22:44,960 --> 00:22:47,320 Speaker 1: second year coming back, I would have been a totally 480 00:22:47,320 --> 00:22:54,640 Speaker 1: different player. But you know, everything happened happened for a reasons. Yeah, man, 481 00:22:55,040 --> 00:22:56,880 Speaker 1: I still think about that ship though to this day. 482 00:22:56,920 --> 00:22:58,399 Speaker 1: But I'm like, because I want to say, then we 483 00:22:58,400 --> 00:23:00,359 Speaker 1: have ripped on the show and ripped or he was 484 00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:07,280 Speaker 1: coming to We drove from b Moore to Philly Man, 485 00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:09,760 Speaker 1: My man, Babe. We drove from b More than Philly 486 00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:14,320 Speaker 1: Man to go watch It was Detroit versus Philly, and 487 00:23:14,600 --> 00:23:17,760 Speaker 1: Larry Brown had already took their job at Detroit, but 488 00:23:17,880 --> 00:23:20,520 Speaker 1: you're still coaching Philly. So we're in the back and 489 00:23:20,560 --> 00:23:23,679 Speaker 1: he's like, Yo, we're taking you, Like we're taking you 490 00:23:24,040 --> 00:23:27,240 Speaker 1: so you know, I'm driving back up ninety five, like, Yo, 491 00:23:27,320 --> 00:23:31,359 Speaker 1: we're going to Detroit. The whole hood we Detroit. So 492 00:23:31,520 --> 00:23:33,760 Speaker 1: I was like, that's just still. That's just still sit 493 00:23:33,840 --> 00:23:35,639 Speaker 1: with me to this day. That's crazy. So you end 494 00:23:35,720 --> 00:23:38,240 Speaker 1: up laying it in Denver, Um, What was that? Like? 495 00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:40,640 Speaker 1: I mean, you're a street really a East Coast dude 496 00:23:40,920 --> 00:23:45,760 Speaker 1: coming out west. I go to Denver. I'm like, yo, damn, 497 00:23:46,359 --> 00:23:48,440 Speaker 1: I ain't never seen no mounds before. Like I ain't 498 00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:50,520 Speaker 1: never seen no snow caps like that before, you know 499 00:23:50,560 --> 00:23:53,280 Speaker 1: what I'm saying. So it was hard, but I knew, 500 00:23:54,200 --> 00:23:56,600 Speaker 1: like you just felt the energy going into Denver, like 501 00:23:56,960 --> 00:24:01,199 Speaker 1: they threw the ball at me, it's yours. And I 502 00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:04,360 Speaker 1: was nineteen when they did that, so I ain't thinking 503 00:24:04,359 --> 00:24:07,240 Speaker 1: about no pressure. It was just like this is mine. 504 00:24:08,119 --> 00:24:11,480 Speaker 1: Brown had Cleveland the way it was in Miami. Boss 505 00:24:11,560 --> 00:24:15,200 Speaker 1: was in Toronto. Everybody had their own situation. It wasn't 506 00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:17,240 Speaker 1: no teaming up back then. Y'all know that, it wasn't 507 00:24:17,240 --> 00:24:19,639 Speaker 1: no Big three, but it wasn't none of that. You 508 00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:23,399 Speaker 1: held your own team down back then. So I jumped 509 00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:25,040 Speaker 1: out to a great start in Denver. You know, we 510 00:24:25,119 --> 00:24:27,679 Speaker 1: made the playoffs seven years straight. My first year. I 511 00:24:27,720 --> 00:24:29,920 Speaker 1: made it. Bruno may make it. So it was like 512 00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:32,240 Speaker 1: I love you know, I love Dever. Let's we want 513 00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:33,920 Speaker 1: a little bit because you should have won Rookie of 514 00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:36,439 Speaker 1: the Year. I should have quite as Kip. I should 515 00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:38,920 Speaker 1: have quite as kill. We could have did Cole, could 516 00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:41,040 Speaker 1: have did Cole. Yeah, I thought it was gonna be Cole. 517 00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:44,280 Speaker 1: Now they did the jail like that, Jake kiss. I 518 00:24:44,359 --> 00:24:47,400 Speaker 1: really thought, okay, And that was part of our story too, 519 00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:50,920 Speaker 1: like we're about to be code. Yeah. Were talking about that, 520 00:24:51,600 --> 00:24:53,760 Speaker 1: and I'm like, okay, this is now. I see how 521 00:24:53,800 --> 00:24:56,760 Speaker 1: my career is gonna go. I see how they're gonna 522 00:24:56,760 --> 00:24:59,240 Speaker 1: look at me. I see what time it is. Just embraces. 523 00:24:59,320 --> 00:25:02,920 Speaker 1: I got embraced right hand too. Who are your vested 524 00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:06,640 Speaker 1: with the Nuggets. I know, big shot, big big shot 525 00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:10,919 Speaker 1: came later, right, So I had shout out stay. I 526 00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:14,399 Speaker 1: had Stacey, my big bro. That's I had Stacey. I 527 00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:19,800 Speaker 1: had k Mart, stacyag Man. I had for Sean Lennard, 528 00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:24,600 Speaker 1: Sean Lenny can be there yet Canby was dead. Andre Miller, 529 00:25:26,320 --> 00:25:29,480 Speaker 1: those was my Those was my vets. Arrow Boykins, you 530 00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:33,200 Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. Came after that, So I had 531 00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:36,479 Speaker 1: I had some good vets. And you know, we was 532 00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:39,560 Speaker 1: as y'all know, we was the Thuggets back then. You 533 00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:41,400 Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. We was. We was a hardcore, 534 00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:44,560 Speaker 1: like even though when when did we still have fun 535 00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:48,200 Speaker 1: playing the game of basketball. You wasn't coming in Denver, 536 00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:52,320 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. You couldn't breathe. And there 537 00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:54,400 Speaker 1: was something like, yeo, let's get them to the fourth quarter. Man, 538 00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:56,360 Speaker 1: we get the fourth quarter. We went dropping That first 539 00:25:56,400 --> 00:26:02,200 Speaker 1: quarter is always six minute walk. You the tap out, 540 00:26:02,359 --> 00:26:04,440 Speaker 1: were just blowing our lungs off the night before two. 541 00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:07,880 Speaker 1: So you come in there with the extra absolutely air advantage. 542 00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:10,360 Speaker 1: They get up to fifty point league quick and they're 543 00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:12,919 Speaker 1: like this too there and you know we we we 544 00:26:13,040 --> 00:26:15,600 Speaker 1: started that that running gun paste like that. You know, 545 00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:17,600 Speaker 1: say y'all caught it, y'all, y'all had it to it 546 00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:20,520 Speaker 1: in g state. But you know we was that running 547 00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:23,399 Speaker 1: gun style, you know, trying to score in seven eight seconds, 548 00:26:23,920 --> 00:26:26,199 Speaker 1: you know, get the ball up the court like that 549 00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:28,960 Speaker 1: was our m O two thousand nine Western Conference files 550 00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:32,800 Speaker 1: against Code. You guys are right there on the doorsteps 551 00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:35,919 Speaker 1: about that match up. The greatest man. I just that was. 552 00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:41,480 Speaker 1: That was my moment where man cold became. Before that, 553 00:26:41,560 --> 00:26:44,560 Speaker 1: we went to Olympics. Before that, we became very close, 554 00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:49,320 Speaker 1: but we became close on something like some disrespectful ship 555 00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:52,719 Speaker 1: like you know, you know Code man going at your 556 00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:56,679 Speaker 1: next elbowing. You had my braids back then too. So 557 00:26:56,720 --> 00:27:00,840 Speaker 1: he touching my head like y'all, don't I don't touch 558 00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:02,200 Speaker 1: my head, like you know what I'm saying, I don't 559 00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:06,080 Speaker 1: touch me no more dog. And you know he's smirking, 560 00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:09,000 Speaker 1: and you know he's doing his little ship elbows and 561 00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:12,919 Speaker 1: oh nine came and it was like, I mean, we 562 00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:15,880 Speaker 1: hugged before the game. He was like war, it's war, 563 00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:19,320 Speaker 1: and I said it's war, Like, let's let's get it 564 00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:21,720 Speaker 1: like it ain't you ain't gonna be nothing easy and 565 00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:25,240 Speaker 1: I just remember him. He always would tell me, I'll 566 00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:27,240 Speaker 1: call you in the fourth because they're they're gonna call, 567 00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:29,040 Speaker 1: They're gonna make some calls on me. They ain't gonna 568 00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:31,040 Speaker 1: call him to me in the fourth, And I just 569 00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:33,080 Speaker 1: usually try to I usually try to beat him up though. 570 00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:34,359 Speaker 1: You know, I was bigger than him, so I used 571 00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:36,200 Speaker 1: to trying to beat him up, be physical with him. 572 00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:38,920 Speaker 1: He come back elbowed me. I come back elbow on him. 573 00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:41,520 Speaker 1: He laughing talking about that's all you got. You know 574 00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:44,520 Speaker 1: what I'm saying. It was just pushing my button to see, 575 00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:47,520 Speaker 1: well I stand that. You know what I'm saying that 576 00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:50,560 Speaker 1: that's how like we grew man, Yeah, we all we 577 00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:52,880 Speaker 1: we we came who we are. Talk about your relationship 578 00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:55,840 Speaker 1: not in basketball, but off the court. Because he heard 579 00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:57,760 Speaker 1: him speaking the interview, that's kind of where he was 580 00:27:57,840 --> 00:27:59,879 Speaker 1: kind of checking your temperature. He was kind of person 581 00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:02,840 Speaker 1: were you know because you you hear ship. You know 582 00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:04,760 Speaker 1: what I'm saying, you hit it. And at that point 583 00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:08,639 Speaker 1: old four or five oh six was like those are 584 00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:11,320 Speaker 1: the I was still in the streets that those days. 585 00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:13,320 Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, So you hear all the stories. 586 00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:16,520 Speaker 1: D was gonna it was just an old bunch of 587 00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:20,280 Speaker 1: project at that day, and he was checking me like 588 00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:23,239 Speaker 1: he wanted to see if I really was that, and 589 00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:25,400 Speaker 1: he wanted to see if I was gonna fold, if 590 00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:27,639 Speaker 1: I was gonna stand tall. In the minute that I 591 00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:31,320 Speaker 1: stood tall, he hit me, I'm cracking them back, you 592 00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:32,919 Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. Hit me and get him cracking 593 00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:35,680 Speaker 1: him back. He form stepping over him, Get up, you 594 00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:37,480 Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. So when he catched at it, 595 00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:40,280 Speaker 1: He's like, oh, I see what type of your bully? 596 00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:43,440 Speaker 1: Like that's when he started calling me a bully. At 597 00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:46,440 Speaker 1: that point in time. He respected that. There was no 598 00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:48,440 Speaker 1: question he respect He just has a weird way of 599 00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:50,880 Speaker 1: getting into it though. Yeah, he had a weird way 600 00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:53,360 Speaker 1: of just you know, he had a weird way just 601 00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:57,920 Speaker 1: be like, yo, yo, you're nice. He might not even 602 00:28:57,960 --> 00:29:00,920 Speaker 1: never say that period. To the in the papers, he will, 603 00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:03,560 Speaker 1: but to you he won't. He pulled me to the 604 00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:08,720 Speaker 1: side in the Olympics and said, you're bad motherfucker like that, 605 00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:11,520 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, because he knew what it 606 00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:14,520 Speaker 1: was already, and it took him forever to get that. 607 00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:16,600 Speaker 1: So for me as a young player four or five, 608 00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:19,480 Speaker 1: four years in the league. At that time, it's nothing. 609 00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:21,680 Speaker 1: You want nothing more than somebody like that to come 610 00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:25,200 Speaker 1: to your mother. You know what I'm saying. That was respect. 611 00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:27,200 Speaker 1: So he did that. I knew it took a lot 612 00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:30,440 Speaker 1: out of him to tell me something like that. So 613 00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:33,240 Speaker 1: I took that, and you know, I built on that. 614 00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:35,120 Speaker 1: Although you guys never got over the hump, you guys 615 00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:38,680 Speaker 1: are really special. Team can be Billups Martin Jr. We 616 00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:42,239 Speaker 1: remember most about those teams. Swiss Man. They shout out 617 00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:46,120 Speaker 1: the Swiss Man best bro we was. We I just 618 00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:48,560 Speaker 1: remember us having fun like we just had so much 619 00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:53,920 Speaker 1: fun on the road. You know. We was road warriors, man. Yeah, 620 00:29:54,280 --> 00:29:57,320 Speaker 1: you know we party like people don't know. Man, y'all know, 621 00:29:57,440 --> 00:30:02,600 Speaker 1: but y'all party it too. The Nuggets. We was partying 622 00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:05,880 Speaker 1: every night. We was partying. Hey, I will have a 623 00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:08,600 Speaker 1: party over there. Came off with having party over here. 624 00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:11,080 Speaker 1: I got a party over there. It was just like 625 00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:14,280 Speaker 1: we're tapping in and we're gonna we're gonna party and 626 00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:15,960 Speaker 1: we're gonna come play and we're gonna come work the 627 00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:18,280 Speaker 1: next day. And we had that. We had that understanding 628 00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:22,320 Speaker 1: take us through the two thousand eleven trade back home, 629 00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:33,560 Speaker 1: we need to have another drink to that. Yeah, two 630 00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:39,040 Speaker 1: thousand eleven, Contrary to anybody, everybody believed I didn't run 631 00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:41,520 Speaker 1: to leave Denver. You know what I'm saying. I never 632 00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:43,480 Speaker 1: told people that, but I never wanted to leave Denver. 633 00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:45,880 Speaker 1: But it's like they put my back against the wall. 634 00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:48,600 Speaker 1: We go to the Western College Finals at oh nine. 635 00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:52,600 Speaker 1: What you're supposed to do? Put the bill on that play, 636 00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:56,440 Speaker 1: don't don't mess the corps. They traded. They got rid 637 00:30:56,440 --> 00:31:00,880 Speaker 1: of Dante Jones, right and on that team do peace 638 00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:04,720 Speaker 1: on that team were to Dante Jones, They're like, when 639 00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:09,440 Speaker 1: you resigning, Chauncey, we're about to trade j R. K Martin. 640 00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:11,600 Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. Contracts is up and the 641 00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:15,240 Speaker 1: lockout was coming. So I'm like, I'm not about to rebuild. 642 00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:18,000 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna rebuild after we don't went to the 643 00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:21,760 Speaker 1: Western Conference Finals. Were sposed to be building and rebuilding, 644 00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:24,480 Speaker 1: and I went to him, I'm like, look, I don't 645 00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:27,360 Speaker 1: want to go, but if y'all gonna rebuild, it's time 646 00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:31,560 Speaker 1: for me to go somewhere else and New York. New 647 00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:34,600 Speaker 1: York was a destination, but I had to go through 648 00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:38,240 Speaker 1: so much. Jersey was at the time, you know, Jersey 649 00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:40,680 Speaker 1: would come because they had all the picks. George Carl 650 00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:42,960 Speaker 1: wanted me to He wanted me to go to Utah. 651 00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:46,080 Speaker 1: Like I'm not. I'm stay him. I played through the lockout. 652 00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:48,120 Speaker 1: I ain't about to go to Utah for no reason 653 00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:52,120 Speaker 1: because he wanted at the time, he wanted um young 654 00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:56,440 Speaker 1: boy Derry Favors. He wanted the young boys. So man, 655 00:31:58,320 --> 00:32:00,320 Speaker 1: after that trade, I mean, I better have a trade 656 00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:02,960 Speaker 1: clause because anything happened, you know, says I come to 657 00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:06,120 Speaker 1: New York and just that Amari was here. He was 658 00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:08,600 Speaker 1: rolling you know, he came that half a year that 659 00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:11,800 Speaker 1: year before me, um Ray Felton was here. They was 660 00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:13,600 Speaker 1: rolling them. They were supposed to be all stars together. 661 00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:18,200 Speaker 1: And I remem my guy married in New York and 662 00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:21,160 Speaker 1: they come to the wedding and I remember I'm on 663 00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:23,200 Speaker 1: the boat and went the fund the Statue of Liberty 664 00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:27,040 Speaker 1: and they started playing uh from New York with with 665 00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:29,880 Speaker 1: with jay z and and I'm just like in the 666 00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:34,360 Speaker 1: front of the Statue of Liberty and I had I said, y'all, 667 00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:37,480 Speaker 1: I gotta come, like I gotta get I gotta get 668 00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:39,080 Speaker 1: to this. You know what I'm saying. I'm seeing the 669 00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:41,880 Speaker 1: energy in New York, and I'm like, if I'm gonna 670 00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:43,520 Speaker 1: go anywhere, I gotta be, I gotta be on the 671 00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:46,680 Speaker 1: biggest stage. I gotta perform on the biggest stage. Because 672 00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:49,520 Speaker 1: my time in Denner was already already peaked in Denner. 673 00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:52,600 Speaker 1: And you know they small market teams like that, secondary 674 00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:54,880 Speaker 1: market teams like that, it would have took them a 675 00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:57,680 Speaker 1: long time to really get the pieces. Nobody was really 676 00:32:57,680 --> 00:32:59,880 Speaker 1: coming to Denver like that. They did a great job 677 00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:02,400 Speaker 1: for an our team. So what was it like me 678 00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:05,360 Speaker 1: to come home and jump in the mix and then 679 00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:07,600 Speaker 1: you guys are in the playoffs your first two years? 680 00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:09,960 Speaker 1: What's that although you guys losing the first round? What's 681 00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:11,920 Speaker 1: that energy like to come back home and then you 682 00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:15,200 Speaker 1: you know, you got to the hometown team. Wasn't it 683 00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:18,360 Speaker 1: wasn't It wasn't nothing like it? And I tell people 684 00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:22,080 Speaker 1: all the time, you ain't seen nothing or experience nothing 685 00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:25,560 Speaker 1: until you're in the garden when it's rocking. Do you 686 00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:28,080 Speaker 1: understand when it's rocking, is no better place in the 687 00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:31,480 Speaker 1: world to be in. So for me to that's home 688 00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:34,520 Speaker 1: for me every night. But on the flip side of that, 689 00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:36,520 Speaker 1: I had to perform that you ain't coming here because 690 00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:39,120 Speaker 1: let you know, you know what I'm saying that, especially 691 00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:41,800 Speaker 1: you the guy, especially me. You know, we gave away 692 00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:44,160 Speaker 1: the whole team for you know. You know what I'm 693 00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:45,840 Speaker 1: saying that you give me the whole day. We got 694 00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:48,240 Speaker 1: to come in the ball. So I embrace that. I 695 00:33:48,280 --> 00:33:50,640 Speaker 1: wanted that pressure, and I also knew a lot of 696 00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:53,040 Speaker 1: people didn't want that coming to New York. Name with 697 00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:56,320 Speaker 1: that pressure. So two thirteen, you guys win fifty games, 698 00:33:56,720 --> 00:33:59,760 Speaker 1: beat Boston and six fall to the Pacers. You kind 699 00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:01,600 Speaker 1: of like, you guys are making progress at that point, 700 00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:05,200 Speaker 1: we're making progress. It's like I feel like I won 701 00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:08,120 Speaker 1: the championship after after we beat Boston. You know what 702 00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:09,640 Speaker 1: I'm saying, we beat them. We supped to sweat on 703 00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:12,480 Speaker 1: that year. You know what I'm saying, Jr. Get suspended, 704 00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:14,200 Speaker 1: But we're supposed to, you know it, were supposed to 705 00:34:14,200 --> 00:34:17,680 Speaker 1: sweat Boston. And I'll say that on on the record. Uh, 706 00:34:17,719 --> 00:34:19,920 Speaker 1: but I felt like it was a championship for me 707 00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:25,040 Speaker 1: because of just how much you hear about New York Boston. 708 00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:28,320 Speaker 1: And it wasn't just basketball, it was baseball, it was football, 709 00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:31,560 Speaker 1: it was high school. It was like street Ship is 710 00:34:31,640 --> 00:34:34,720 Speaker 1: like I'm a part of that, and I'm the focal 711 00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:39,000 Speaker 1: point of that. Being Boston was like the one of 712 00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:41,440 Speaker 1: the biggest moments because and it was tough, you know 713 00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:43,399 Speaker 1: what I'm saying. It was tough the Big three day, 714 00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:46,080 Speaker 1: you know, and they carried it like that, and I 715 00:34:46,160 --> 00:34:48,640 Speaker 1: knew in order to beat them, we had to carry it. 716 00:34:48,680 --> 00:34:50,080 Speaker 1: We had to be on that same type of time 717 00:34:50,160 --> 00:34:52,640 Speaker 1: it was on. So you come in on the high 718 00:34:53,120 --> 00:34:55,880 Speaker 1: and then reality sets in when the struggle starts kicking in. 719 00:34:56,400 --> 00:34:58,400 Speaker 1: It's a tough place to be when you're not winning. 720 00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:01,560 Speaker 1: What was that like for you mentally? So I said, 721 00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:04,479 Speaker 1: it's the best place to be in the worst place 722 00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:08,360 Speaker 1: to me. And I always I always observed, right, I 723 00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:11,359 Speaker 1: always look listening, observe and I'm always see how other 724 00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:13,840 Speaker 1: athletes dealt with ship here in New York, and I 725 00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:15,160 Speaker 1: would sitting back and like, y if that was me, 726 00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:17,520 Speaker 1: I wouldn't deal with it like that, or I would 727 00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:19,000 Speaker 1: deal with it like this. Or he's doing it the 728 00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:21,040 Speaker 1: right way. O G he doing it the right way? 729 00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:22,880 Speaker 1: This person, ain't you know what I'm saying that I 730 00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:26,520 Speaker 1: see how athletes got They kicked it. They build you up, 731 00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:28,160 Speaker 1: and they kicked the cheer for money. So you're here 732 00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:30,440 Speaker 1: in New York, and I never wanted to be that. 733 00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:32,640 Speaker 1: So I always stay solid with the media, even though 734 00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:35,480 Speaker 1: I ain't like talking to them. When losing drop, I 735 00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:37,799 Speaker 1: stood up. I still told after the game we lost 736 00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:39,600 Speaker 1: it was on me. It wasn't on nobody else. I 737 00:35:39,719 --> 00:35:42,680 Speaker 1: never blame anybody else. So I dealt with it, and 738 00:35:42,719 --> 00:35:45,560 Speaker 1: I think I reaped the benefits of you know, staying solid, 739 00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:51,600 Speaker 1: and benefits of being real so beneficial. Absolutely absolutely. What 740 00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:54,360 Speaker 1: could you change if you could from that time? What 741 00:35:54,440 --> 00:36:00,680 Speaker 1: would you change from the next. I think just the 742 00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:03,919 Speaker 1: way that ship was handled, you know what I'm saying, 743 00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:05,920 Speaker 1: Like that hand, you know what I'm saying, how I 744 00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:09,680 Speaker 1: was handled personally. I would I would change that, you know. 745 00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:13,200 Speaker 1: I would want them to communicate with me a lot 746 00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:15,719 Speaker 1: more than what was going on. You know what I'm saying. 747 00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:18,000 Speaker 1: When Phil came, it was just like he cut that 748 00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:21,400 Speaker 1: line in communication off for me with the front office, 749 00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:25,279 Speaker 1: with staff members, even players. You know what I'm saying, 750 00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:28,120 Speaker 1: I'm like, damn, like you're talking to him about me, 751 00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:30,120 Speaker 1: You're going to him talking to him about you? Is 752 00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:33,400 Speaker 1: But I'm right here, I'm right here, and the minute 753 00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:36,000 Speaker 1: that I knew that was a game that was being played, Like, nah, 754 00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:38,960 Speaker 1: you mean he was here. We had CBC C Brickley, 755 00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:41,440 Speaker 1: Brickley then he was like, Brick was there, but he 756 00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:43,279 Speaker 1: was like you know, when Derek Fisher was there, he 757 00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:45,800 Speaker 1: was like he was low key jealous of relationship with 758 00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:51,480 Speaker 1: y'all had because I wanted I'm big on bringing other 759 00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:53,759 Speaker 1: people up. You know, Brick was the he was. He 760 00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:58,120 Speaker 1: was a rebounder for us, and I gravitated towards him. 761 00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:00,600 Speaker 1: I've seen he was in the gym all day, all night. 762 00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:02,960 Speaker 1: I'm talking about the hours that they had him working. 763 00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:06,080 Speaker 1: It was crazy. No nobody should work that much. But 764 00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:08,399 Speaker 1: he didn't. He didn't complain. So I'm like, I'll call 765 00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:09,960 Speaker 1: him help meet me at the gym. I'm coming back 766 00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:13,600 Speaker 1: up with Tom and I'll beat it. He rebounded, so 767 00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:17,319 Speaker 1: before practice, after practice, I would look for him. You 768 00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:19,720 Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. I would be looking for Brick 769 00:37:20,120 --> 00:37:23,000 Speaker 1: and they hated that ship. We also had Kenny Atkinson 770 00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:25,360 Speaker 1: was you know, it was in the same position that 771 00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:28,200 Speaker 1: Brick was in at that point in time. But I'm 772 00:37:28,239 --> 00:37:30,400 Speaker 1: going to Brick. I'm like, you know, I feel comfortable 773 00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:32,960 Speaker 1: with him. I can confide to him. He can confide 774 00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:34,879 Speaker 1: to me. I know his struggle and what he's trying 775 00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:36,759 Speaker 1: to do. And I told him, I said, I got you, 776 00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:38,799 Speaker 1: like I got you, I'm gonna make you. I'm gonna 777 00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:42,040 Speaker 1: make you my train. I got you what they're talking about, right, 778 00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:44,640 Speaker 1: I got you. So you mentioned Phil. I mean, obviously 779 00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:46,840 Speaker 1: with that relationship, you think Phil Jackson, you think this 780 00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:49,359 Speaker 1: and that, but once he actually gets there, it's not 781 00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:51,640 Speaker 1: what you guys think. Has there ever been any closure 782 00:37:51,640 --> 00:37:53,760 Speaker 1: because it's obviously you know the friction has been publicized. 783 00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:56,719 Speaker 1: Has ever many many closure between you and Field? Nah? 784 00:37:58,719 --> 00:38:01,440 Speaker 1: I mean I don't need closure. You understand, there's no 785 00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:03,680 Speaker 1: I ain't what it is. It's still tall doing my 786 00:38:03,840 --> 00:38:05,759 Speaker 1: doing my time. So it is what it is. You 787 00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:08,000 Speaker 1: feel the way that you feel about me. You say 788 00:38:08,040 --> 00:38:09,640 Speaker 1: what you got to say about me. I don't know 789 00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:11,400 Speaker 1: if I had to sit down with you, you wouldn't 790 00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:13,719 Speaker 1: say that. You would say something totally different. You don't 791 00:38:13,719 --> 00:38:15,919 Speaker 1: tell me it wasn't like that. So I ain't really 792 00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:18,280 Speaker 1: got time for I don't need it at this point, 793 00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:22,080 Speaker 1: Part three of your next experience deciding it's time to go? 794 00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:24,359 Speaker 1: What was that? How tough was that It was tough 795 00:38:24,360 --> 00:38:27,040 Speaker 1: because I ain't want to leave the NIXT either. You understand, 796 00:38:27,080 --> 00:38:30,360 Speaker 1: I didn't want to leave even though like we was losing. 797 00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:32,680 Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm still don't want to leave, like I ain't. 798 00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:35,880 Speaker 1: This is me, this is I came in for a reason, 799 00:38:36,160 --> 00:38:38,439 Speaker 1: this is this is where I'm ending to that and 800 00:38:38,560 --> 00:38:41,160 Speaker 1: for some reason, man, that man ain't he used to 801 00:38:41,200 --> 00:38:43,960 Speaker 1: like tell me everything in the book without telling me 802 00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:47,279 Speaker 1: get out. I thought you was a liful with the knicks. 803 00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:49,080 Speaker 1: I can't lie. I thought she was gonna time. And 804 00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:51,440 Speaker 1: that's what That's what I wanted to do. That's what 805 00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:53,960 Speaker 1: I wanted to do. It I'm talking about every time. Man, 806 00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:58,000 Speaker 1: it's just like he's telling me ship is just basically 807 00:38:58,040 --> 00:39:01,120 Speaker 1: like pushing me towards the door, and I know he 808 00:39:01,239 --> 00:39:04,320 Speaker 1: pushing me, and I'm like, nope, I ain't going nowhere. 809 00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:07,200 Speaker 1: I ain't going nowhere to hang yourself. Trying to get 810 00:39:07,239 --> 00:39:09,879 Speaker 1: me hanging myself, man, And honestly, like I never made 811 00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:14,640 Speaker 1: Philip probably had three conversations. Man, it's the whole time 812 00:39:14,680 --> 00:39:17,480 Speaker 1: he was here. We never we never talked like that. 813 00:39:17,560 --> 00:39:19,840 Speaker 1: If we talked, we were sitting the room his office, 814 00:39:20,360 --> 00:39:22,839 Speaker 1: lights out. A couple of candles. You know what I'm 815 00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:26,120 Speaker 1: saying That we would watch film and he would he 816 00:39:26,120 --> 00:39:30,480 Speaker 1: would teach me how to break the triangle. You understand that. 817 00:39:30,520 --> 00:39:32,920 Speaker 1: He would teach me like, yo, you, this is what 818 00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:35,880 Speaker 1: you gotta do. So I learned it so crazy, but 819 00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:37,520 Speaker 1: he was. I think he was a little sick that 820 00:39:37,560 --> 00:39:41,840 Speaker 1: I learned it before from Cold m J. Like you know, 821 00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:43,279 Speaker 1: I used to sit with them and asked me on 822 00:39:43,320 --> 00:39:45,480 Speaker 1: what's over this triangle? And Cold we used to you know, 823 00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:48,000 Speaker 1: we see down the master of breaking the try and 824 00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:50,640 Speaker 1: go uh. And I think Phil hated that, the fact 825 00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:53,120 Speaker 1: that I figured it out on how to get to 826 00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:55,040 Speaker 1: my spots, how to get what I really wanted on 827 00:39:55,160 --> 00:39:57,360 Speaker 1: of that. So he used to always I was manipulating 828 00:39:57,360 --> 00:40:02,000 Speaker 1: the office bro, like I'm trying to get you though, 829 00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:05,000 Speaker 1: that's what I needed, And he wasn't. He wasn't flying 830 00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:14,080 Speaker 1: with that. Well, that's funny when you sit back and 831 00:40:14,120 --> 00:40:18,400 Speaker 1: think about it, from where you started to Baltimore to 832 00:40:18,520 --> 00:40:23,240 Speaker 1: Syracuse too. Now you're number ten all time on the scoring. 833 00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:26,120 Speaker 1: First of congratulations, But what does that mean to you? 834 00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:28,080 Speaker 1: And how do you process something like that? It was hard. 835 00:40:28,080 --> 00:40:30,520 Speaker 1: It's still hard to process that because I'm still in it. 836 00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:33,759 Speaker 1: I'm still doing it, so you know you you I'm 837 00:40:33,800 --> 00:40:36,080 Speaker 1: in Atlanta and that's that was That was Atlantic game, 838 00:40:36,560 --> 00:40:39,640 Speaker 1: and I get the temp spot we played the next day. 839 00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:41,839 Speaker 1: It's like you can't even you can't even sit still 840 00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:44,520 Speaker 1: and celebrate that, you know, so everybody else can celebrate 841 00:40:44,520 --> 00:40:46,959 Speaker 1: it for you, but you got I gotta get ready 842 00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:48,840 Speaker 1: for the next game. I gotta go play Milwaukee the 843 00:40:48,880 --> 00:40:52,040 Speaker 1: next night, Like I can't be celebrating temph like these 844 00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:54,839 Speaker 1: don't give a about tenth like they trying. They're trying 845 00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:56,600 Speaker 1: to beat the shower that's out there the next day. 846 00:40:56,640 --> 00:41:00,319 Speaker 1: So it's still having I understand it. But if they 847 00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:03,840 Speaker 1: ain't gonna be till I'm done done, more climate to 848 00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:06,080 Speaker 1: do because nine, you're not that far behind, far from 849 00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:11,360 Speaker 1: nine man nine eight is right. Then after that, after that, 850 00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:12,920 Speaker 1: I ain't trying. Listen, I ain't gonna be in that 851 00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:17,680 Speaker 1: long out of points, bro, I mean Olympic mellow three 852 00:41:17,719 --> 00:41:20,920 Speaker 1: gold medals, all time leading scores. Although I think Katie 853 00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:25,280 Speaker 1: today if he gets six points, should she was supposed 854 00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:26,879 Speaker 1: to That's what supposed to happen. But what was your 855 00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:29,600 Speaker 1: Olympic experience, Like you were one of the greatest Olympic 856 00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:32,879 Speaker 1: players our country's ever seen. I think losing the Old Four, 857 00:41:33,719 --> 00:41:37,799 Speaker 1: getting embarrassing Old Four, you know, losing to Puerto Rico 858 00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:42,000 Speaker 1: at that for me personally, we could lose anybody, but 859 00:41:42,080 --> 00:41:45,359 Speaker 1: not Puerto Rico, not pr So, losing the Old Four, 860 00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:48,440 Speaker 1: coming back at oh six, losing in the World Championship 861 00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:51,480 Speaker 1: and that moment we lost the game and I'm on 862 00:41:51,520 --> 00:41:55,560 Speaker 1: the court and they thrown toward a tissue confettiated. It wasn't. 863 00:41:55,600 --> 00:41:58,640 Speaker 1: In the championship game they beat us, and I remember 864 00:41:58,719 --> 00:42:00,799 Speaker 1: Men Brawn walked over the court. It was like he's like, Yo, 865 00:42:00,840 --> 00:42:02,840 Speaker 1: come on, man, we gotta get off the court. He 866 00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:05,600 Speaker 1: was like, Yo, we're gonna be back. We're gonna be back. 867 00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:08,799 Speaker 1: We came back oh seven one of the one one 868 00:42:08,800 --> 00:42:11,640 Speaker 1: of the fever games in Vegas, and I had to 869 00:42:11,680 --> 00:42:15,759 Speaker 1: convince my brother, man, come on, cold, we come on. 870 00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:18,600 Speaker 1: He's like, no, Ain's working with it. I ain't freking 871 00:42:18,640 --> 00:42:21,160 Speaker 1: with that. I'm like, come on, like you the missing link, 872 00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:26,680 Speaker 1: he said, just like when you said that no for four. 873 00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:30,040 Speaker 1: I'm like, bro, you're the missing link. Bun the way 874 00:42:30,200 --> 00:42:33,839 Speaker 1: like we are, you know what I mean? CP. This 875 00:42:33,880 --> 00:42:38,120 Speaker 1: was d White was Chris Bars like, will you know 876 00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:41,520 Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Like we gotta go. He's like, you know, 877 00:42:41,640 --> 00:42:43,960 Speaker 1: Nike came in and you know, helped helped it out. 878 00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:47,319 Speaker 1: But the Old eight team probably the best team might 879 00:42:47,320 --> 00:42:50,439 Speaker 1: ever played for. I think a lot of ninety two team, man, 880 00:42:50,920 --> 00:42:53,759 Speaker 1: but that Old eight team that we had a different mindset, 881 00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:55,879 Speaker 1: like we was locked in, you know what I'm saying. 882 00:42:55,880 --> 00:42:58,360 Speaker 1: And it was a dog eat dog world, you know 883 00:42:58,360 --> 00:43:00,759 Speaker 1: what I'm saying at that point, And you couldn't come 884 00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:03,719 Speaker 1: with no bullshit and oh wait practices you couldn't come. 885 00:43:03,719 --> 00:43:05,719 Speaker 1: I don't get for who you was, you couldn't come. 886 00:43:05,760 --> 00:43:09,799 Speaker 1: So oh wait came Bestie Sperence ever two thousand twelve came, 887 00:43:10,600 --> 00:43:13,279 Speaker 1: uh go to go to London when that that was 888 00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:16,920 Speaker 1: sweet too. The six team was like this is it 889 00:43:17,040 --> 00:43:18,400 Speaker 1: for me? You know what I'm saying. I left my 890 00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:20,279 Speaker 1: ship in real my sneakers if I was stealing in 891 00:43:20,280 --> 00:43:24,000 Speaker 1: the gym. So I ain't never touching USA basketball again 892 00:43:24,040 --> 00:43:27,120 Speaker 1: because four Olympics, man a lot, that's a lot, and 893 00:43:27,239 --> 00:43:31,560 Speaker 1: four Olympics I play USA basketball for damn the eight 894 00:43:31,640 --> 00:43:35,040 Speaker 1: summers straight no break, no break, sounding like I'm I'm 895 00:43:35,320 --> 00:43:37,719 Speaker 1: done with him, and I hung my hat up team 896 00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:39,880 Speaker 1: year and say if they need me, they could know 897 00:43:40,440 --> 00:43:42,600 Speaker 1: one thing about it. Though, to put your credit to 898 00:43:42,760 --> 00:43:45,720 Speaker 1: say all the stars they had on their team, the respect, 899 00:43:45,719 --> 00:43:48,440 Speaker 1: they're happy because Donna squitch, they was going there was 900 00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:51,759 Speaker 1: coming to you. But they also knew. They also knew 901 00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:53,480 Speaker 1: how I was giving it up to you know what 902 00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:56,320 Speaker 1: I'm saying. They also knew like you sucking around Stack, 903 00:43:56,520 --> 00:43:59,120 Speaker 1: don't stop playing, bro, you know you're sucking around. You 904 00:43:59,239 --> 00:44:02,000 Speaker 1: don't play like we ain't. It was that so I 905 00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:03,600 Speaker 1: don't you know, I don't want pap myself on the 906 00:44:03,600 --> 00:44:05,080 Speaker 1: back for that, but I felt like I was a 907 00:44:05,120 --> 00:44:07,960 Speaker 1: glue guy to a lot of situations over there when 908 00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:10,680 Speaker 1: she could have went left. She could have went left 909 00:44:10,719 --> 00:44:13,719 Speaker 1: over there. People don't know that. People no, No, she 910 00:44:13,840 --> 00:44:16,399 Speaker 1: could have easily went left. What I mean, I think 911 00:44:16,440 --> 00:44:19,600 Speaker 1: that's what this team right now is is struggling with 912 00:44:19,640 --> 00:44:21,720 Speaker 1: this is kind of defining roles and having to understand 913 00:44:21,719 --> 00:44:24,200 Speaker 1: who's gonna sacrifice. You guys got a lot of people 914 00:44:24,239 --> 00:44:26,279 Speaker 1: on your team that's sacrifice to make that ship happen. 915 00:44:26,320 --> 00:44:28,439 Speaker 1: And it started from the from the jump, and Coach 916 00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:31,440 Speaker 1: k did a great job of, you know, giving anybody rolls. 917 00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:33,439 Speaker 1: But he you know, he didn't keep you in the box, 918 00:44:33,480 --> 00:44:36,480 Speaker 1: but he told you what he expected from each guy. 919 00:44:36,600 --> 00:44:39,040 Speaker 1: And I remember, like, you know, we were talking about, 920 00:44:39,640 --> 00:44:41,840 Speaker 1: you know, who's going to start and who's nine. And 921 00:44:41,880 --> 00:44:44,680 Speaker 1: I went to him like, yo, coach, look, don't stress 922 00:44:44,719 --> 00:44:48,480 Speaker 1: yourself out about that. Start Katie, Like I bring me 923 00:44:48,520 --> 00:44:51,440 Speaker 1: off the bench, like I ain't. Nobody remember I came 924 00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:53,880 Speaker 1: off the bench. You know what I'm saying. Nobody remember that. 925 00:44:54,360 --> 00:44:56,520 Speaker 1: So he's like, oh, you know, it's just I said, listen, 926 00:44:56,880 --> 00:44:59,719 Speaker 1: coach k and start that man. You know what I'm saying, 927 00:44:59,719 --> 00:45:01,920 Speaker 1: I A and I'm gonna do what I do regardless. 928 00:45:02,680 --> 00:45:06,319 Speaker 1: Start him. And you know he defined those roles for us. 929 00:45:06,880 --> 00:45:09,400 Speaker 1: You haven't yet got an opportunity to win a championship. 930 00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:13,000 Speaker 1: But how special was it winning gold medals with your brothers? Yeah? 931 00:45:13,040 --> 00:45:15,640 Speaker 1: So the gold medals winning that was special, especially at 932 00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:18,480 Speaker 1: eight one, like the O eight was like, okay, we 933 00:45:18,520 --> 00:45:20,759 Speaker 1: got our ship back. And I looked at I looked 934 00:45:20,760 --> 00:45:24,359 Speaker 1: at the left BRA, looked at the right cold back 935 00:45:24,440 --> 00:45:26,960 Speaker 1: head the way CP. You know what I'm saying. It 936 00:45:27,040 --> 00:45:29,880 Speaker 1: was like this I was supposed to be You're supposed 937 00:45:29,880 --> 00:45:33,240 Speaker 1: to celebrate these moments at that level of any sport 938 00:45:33,719 --> 00:45:36,440 Speaker 1: together like that. How did the Banana boat come together? 939 00:45:36,920 --> 00:45:40,200 Speaker 1: I have no idea, to be honest, I wasn't on that. 940 00:45:40,360 --> 00:45:42,759 Speaker 1: I wasn't knowing that that fucking Banana boat man. You 941 00:45:42,760 --> 00:45:44,759 Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. We went on the vacation. You 942 00:45:44,760 --> 00:45:46,359 Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. One of the vacation, but little 943 00:45:46,360 --> 00:45:52,520 Speaker 1: brotherhood vacation and Bron slage your life. I came late 944 00:45:52,560 --> 00:45:55,960 Speaker 1: to the vacation Banana boat. So as I'm as I'm 945 00:45:56,000 --> 00:46:00,200 Speaker 1: on a tender going to the yacht, I see them 946 00:46:00,280 --> 00:46:04,399 Speaker 1: on the on the Banana boat. So I'm looking like, 947 00:46:04,560 --> 00:46:06,320 Speaker 1: what the fun is going on? What y'all? You know? 948 00:46:06,360 --> 00:46:12,960 Speaker 1: I'm looking about something. So I get to I get 949 00:46:13,040 --> 00:46:16,319 Speaker 1: to the boat and the next day it's like a 950 00:46:16,360 --> 00:46:20,359 Speaker 1: picture of like everywhere everywhere it was the Banana boat crew. 951 00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:24,439 Speaker 1: I ain't even there though I rolled past that ship, ain't. 952 00:46:24,520 --> 00:46:27,400 Speaker 1: I won't even get on that. You with my son, like, 953 00:46:27,440 --> 00:46:29,280 Speaker 1: you don't know Banana. You know what I'm like getting 954 00:46:32,840 --> 00:46:34,200 Speaker 1: talked to us about two. I mean, there's a I 955 00:46:34,200 --> 00:46:36,360 Speaker 1: don't know if it's true, but I heard that Bron 956 00:46:36,440 --> 00:46:39,720 Speaker 1: saved your life man swimming ship. Any truth to it truth. 957 00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:42,799 Speaker 1: It's it's truth. Man. We was We was in like 958 00:46:42,840 --> 00:46:44,680 Speaker 1: the little grotto like in the Bahamas. You know, you 959 00:46:44,680 --> 00:46:46,960 Speaker 1: can swim underneck because Jack is great to get the bathtub, 960 00:46:47,040 --> 00:46:48,960 Speaker 1: so you can't swim either. I can swim, but I'm 961 00:46:48,960 --> 00:46:53,319 Speaker 1: gonna tell you some real ship. I can survive. We're 962 00:46:53,320 --> 00:46:56,840 Speaker 1: in there and we're trying to get back. Everybody swimming 963 00:46:56,880 --> 00:46:59,600 Speaker 1: back to the to the boat. But I'm snorkeling to 964 00:46:59,760 --> 00:47:02,320 Speaker 1: we snorkeling on their way back. And my head is 965 00:47:02,360 --> 00:47:05,359 Speaker 1: in the water and I'm snorkeling and I look up. 966 00:47:05,680 --> 00:47:08,320 Speaker 1: Any time I look up out the water, the boat 967 00:47:08,440 --> 00:47:12,680 Speaker 1: is further and further way, and I'm getting pushed by 968 00:47:12,719 --> 00:47:18,839 Speaker 1: the current current. I'm like yo, yo, because looking at 969 00:47:18,920 --> 00:47:23,200 Speaker 1: me like like I'm joking, I'm like, yo, I need help. 970 00:47:24,040 --> 00:47:26,160 Speaker 1: Like this, I'm swimming, I'm like this, I'm trying to 971 00:47:26,160 --> 00:47:29,080 Speaker 1: hold onto a rock. It was exhausted. I was exhausted. 972 00:47:29,080 --> 00:47:30,759 Speaker 1: I'm like, I ain't gonna fight that current like that. 973 00:47:31,040 --> 00:47:32,880 Speaker 1: So the one guy was like, just don't fight it, 974 00:47:33,120 --> 00:47:34,759 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. Let it just go with it, 975 00:47:34,840 --> 00:47:37,799 Speaker 1: go with the floor. And I see bron jump in 976 00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:41,840 Speaker 1: the water just you know, aquaman jump in the water. 977 00:47:42,840 --> 00:47:44,640 Speaker 1: I was because the way it was right in front 978 00:47:44,640 --> 00:47:47,480 Speaker 1: of me, on right before me. So I'm thinking d 979 00:47:47,600 --> 00:47:50,200 Speaker 1: going come back. But I know d ain't rocking with 980 00:47:50,280 --> 00:47:54,080 Speaker 1: the water like that, you know, like he's like yo, yo, 981 00:47:54,120 --> 00:47:58,360 Speaker 1: go get him bat and I just see Bron, Bron 982 00:47:58,440 --> 00:48:00,400 Speaker 1: just coming. I got I got you, Champ, I got you, 983 00:48:00,480 --> 00:48:03,040 Speaker 1: I got you, grabbed me and we went back. We 984 00:48:03,040 --> 00:48:05,520 Speaker 1: went back to the boat man all purpose the run 985 00:48:05,640 --> 00:48:09,160 Speaker 1: is all purpose God all kind of ships. But it's 986 00:48:09,200 --> 00:48:12,920 Speaker 1: crazy because he can. Really he's very good at a 987 00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:16,359 Speaker 1: lot of ship. Like I don't give what it is. 988 00:48:16,600 --> 00:48:19,160 Speaker 1: He's going to be successful at that. He's gonna figure 989 00:48:19,160 --> 00:48:20,920 Speaker 1: it out. It's one of them people. He just wanted them. 990 00:48:20,920 --> 00:48:23,000 Speaker 1: He's just want of them natural freaks. Man. You just 991 00:48:23,440 --> 00:48:27,400 Speaker 1: called him a laugh baby man he was building. Or 992 00:48:27,440 --> 00:48:30,120 Speaker 1: shout out Braun for saving you man's life. He all 993 00:48:30,160 --> 00:48:33,239 Speaker 1: appreciate you can They said he had mellow on one arms, 994 00:48:33,239 --> 00:48:39,160 Speaker 1: swimming with the swimming against the current with superhuman Get 995 00:48:39,239 --> 00:48:42,840 Speaker 1: a look easy. What was your inspiration betind launching Creative seven? 996 00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:46,560 Speaker 1: So Creative seven was like I already had I had 997 00:48:46,600 --> 00:48:49,280 Speaker 1: a production company years ago. We did our first project 998 00:48:49,880 --> 00:48:53,840 Speaker 1: was the Tyson documentary years ago, and I got my 999 00:48:53,920 --> 00:48:57,320 Speaker 1: feet wet in the production business, and I just always 1000 00:48:57,360 --> 00:48:59,799 Speaker 1: was I would watch the business and see where it 1001 00:48:59,840 --> 00:49:02,080 Speaker 1: was on. But I knew, excuse me, I knew it 1002 00:49:02,120 --> 00:49:06,320 Speaker 1: was hard for athletes to tap into any other industry 1003 00:49:06,320 --> 00:49:10,640 Speaker 1: other than what we do basketball, and you know, music 1004 00:49:10,760 --> 00:49:12,319 Speaker 1: was a thing at the time. I tried to dip 1005 00:49:12,320 --> 00:49:14,960 Speaker 1: and dab in music, but it was like I knew 1006 00:49:15,280 --> 00:49:16,840 Speaker 1: I had an age for that ship, you know, and 1007 00:49:16,920 --> 00:49:20,319 Speaker 1: creating content. And I was treating content back then, not 1008 00:49:20,440 --> 00:49:23,439 Speaker 1: even knowing what I was doing. And then you see 1009 00:49:23,440 --> 00:49:27,840 Speaker 1: everybody started creating content and years later re vamping it. 1010 00:49:27,920 --> 00:49:30,960 Speaker 1: I'm trying to revamp the production company. I'm sitting down 1011 00:49:30,960 --> 00:49:33,720 Speaker 1: with my partner, now who's you know, she's the president 1012 00:49:33,760 --> 00:49:37,279 Speaker 1: of Medal Enterprises. So we're sitting down and were just like, 1013 00:49:37,680 --> 00:49:39,480 Speaker 1: you know, we gotta start telling these stories, like we 1014 00:49:39,560 --> 00:49:42,239 Speaker 1: got so many stories that needs to be told. We 1015 00:49:42,280 --> 00:49:46,120 Speaker 1: got to tap into our people telling our stories, and 1016 00:49:46,520 --> 00:49:48,319 Speaker 1: we got to go back to the true essence of 1017 00:49:48,760 --> 00:49:51,680 Speaker 1: where we come from and telling stories about the unsung heroes. 1018 00:49:51,760 --> 00:49:54,360 Speaker 1: And you know, I don't want to keep hearing about 1019 00:49:54,400 --> 00:49:57,880 Speaker 1: no disrespect, but Dr Martin Luther King, Like we learned 1020 00:49:57,880 --> 00:50:02,880 Speaker 1: about that ship already, what about what about Banka Evers? 1021 00:50:02,920 --> 00:50:05,200 Speaker 1: What about these guys right here that these stories need 1022 00:50:05,239 --> 00:50:09,040 Speaker 1: to be told. You understand the history behind that, what 1023 00:50:09,120 --> 00:50:12,440 Speaker 1: they did? You know what I'm saying. Like I was, 1024 00:50:12,480 --> 00:50:15,480 Speaker 1: I was joking with somebody other day, I'm like, Yo, 1025 00:50:15,640 --> 00:50:20,560 Speaker 1: people don't know Batholin was black. Really what I'm saying, 1026 00:50:20,600 --> 00:50:23,200 Speaker 1: you ain't even know the idea? This was what I'm saying. 1027 00:50:23,239 --> 00:50:26,640 Speaker 1: So it's like, these are these are stories that people 1028 00:50:26,719 --> 00:50:29,360 Speaker 1: need to know that and ship that they should do 1029 00:50:29,400 --> 00:50:32,880 Speaker 1: to him. It was a reverse. The richest man in 1030 00:50:32,920 --> 00:50:36,040 Speaker 1: the world was black man Moos Moosa. So it was like, 1031 00:50:36,440 --> 00:50:39,880 Speaker 1: these are stories that people I don't know about what 1032 00:50:39,920 --> 00:50:42,239 Speaker 1: they really need to know about that? So that was 1033 00:50:42,280 --> 00:50:46,160 Speaker 1: like the you know, the idea behind trade and Trade 1034 00:50:46,200 --> 00:50:50,800 Speaker 1: of seventh. So uh, Obviously, last year with the pandemic 1035 00:50:50,920 --> 00:50:56,360 Speaker 1: hidding the George Floyd ship, Hidden Jack found his next calling, 1036 00:50:56,440 --> 00:50:59,040 Speaker 1: I think his main calling what he was made to do? 1037 00:50:59,800 --> 00:51:02,960 Speaker 1: Uh in this social justice space. You guys created a 1038 00:51:03,040 --> 00:51:09,120 Speaker 1: social change fund, you CP Brown anyone else? So what 1039 00:51:09,200 --> 00:51:10,920 Speaker 1: is what is the mission? And to go behind that fund? 1040 00:51:11,480 --> 00:51:13,160 Speaker 1: Oh man, we just wanted to start putting our money 1041 00:51:13,160 --> 00:51:14,759 Speaker 1: while our mouth was at you know what I'm saying 1042 00:51:14,719 --> 00:51:16,719 Speaker 1: that I got. We did the sp speech and that 1043 00:51:16,840 --> 00:51:22,160 Speaker 1: was like the call that was our athletes summing of 1044 00:51:22,239 --> 00:51:24,400 Speaker 1: sixty eight, you know what I'm saying, Like that was 1045 00:51:24,440 --> 00:51:29,000 Speaker 1: the Ali Jim Brown. But I also say I thought, 1046 00:51:29,040 --> 00:51:31,719 Speaker 1: I think it was bigger than that moment because we 1047 00:51:32,040 --> 00:51:33,880 Speaker 1: they sat in the room and did a breast conference 1048 00:51:33,920 --> 00:51:36,839 Speaker 1: and you know, amongst them several we was we called 1049 00:51:36,880 --> 00:51:39,880 Speaker 1: out our fellow athletes and if you didn't take that 1050 00:51:39,960 --> 00:51:42,839 Speaker 1: and this and ran with that after that, then you 1051 00:51:42,840 --> 00:51:44,480 Speaker 1: you ain't who you mean who you say you are 1052 00:51:44,880 --> 00:51:47,360 Speaker 1: lead down for the cause. So after that, it was like, 1053 00:51:47,400 --> 00:51:50,000 Speaker 1: what's what's two point oh of that? You know what's next? 1054 00:51:50,080 --> 00:51:52,600 Speaker 1: Then the George Floyd ship hit and was like the 1055 00:51:52,640 --> 00:51:55,080 Speaker 1: bubble ship hit and it was like, yeah, we gotta 1056 00:51:55,160 --> 00:51:57,799 Speaker 1: do something. You know, CP was already doing it with 1057 00:51:57,840 --> 00:52:00,360 Speaker 1: the you know, with the p A the way it 1058 00:52:00,400 --> 00:52:02,319 Speaker 1: was doing his own thing. I was doing my own thing, 1059 00:52:02,680 --> 00:52:04,920 Speaker 1: and it was like, yeah, we gotta we gotta come together, 1060 00:52:05,200 --> 00:52:07,560 Speaker 1: We gotta have some type of unity and go out 1061 00:52:07,600 --> 00:52:10,880 Speaker 1: to the world and really make change socially, like you know, 1062 00:52:10,960 --> 00:52:13,759 Speaker 1: so let's create this fun. You know, we team up 1063 00:52:13,760 --> 00:52:15,799 Speaker 1: with everybody. It don't even it don't even matter, like 1064 00:52:15,800 --> 00:52:18,000 Speaker 1: we in the competition with nobody. You know what I'm saying. 1065 00:52:18,040 --> 00:52:20,160 Speaker 1: If you come on, you got some ship, you come on, 1066 00:52:20,320 --> 00:52:22,319 Speaker 1: we we support that, you know what I'm saying. So 1067 00:52:22,680 --> 00:52:25,120 Speaker 1: we had our pillars. You know, everybody had their own 1068 00:52:25,640 --> 00:52:29,040 Speaker 1: thing that they wanted to do, education and prison reform, 1069 00:52:29,280 --> 00:52:31,839 Speaker 1: and you know, it was just like let's just take 1070 00:52:31,880 --> 00:52:33,960 Speaker 1: what we take three or four pillars that we really 1071 00:52:33,960 --> 00:52:36,440 Speaker 1: want to rock out with. Let's attack that and then 1072 00:52:36,480 --> 00:52:40,080 Speaker 1: we go from there where the idea come up from uh, 1073 00:52:40,080 --> 00:52:46,120 Speaker 1: what's in your glass? The pandemic? Yo oncen't your glass? 1074 00:52:46,160 --> 00:52:49,719 Speaker 1: Started like like every Monday and during the during the quarantine, 1075 00:52:50,520 --> 00:52:52,239 Speaker 1: I would just get on that. We would just be 1076 00:52:52,320 --> 00:52:55,000 Speaker 1: on zoom, right. I just I first learned about zoom 1077 00:52:55,080 --> 00:52:57,560 Speaker 1: during that time. So we're on zoom and it's like, 1078 00:52:58,000 --> 00:53:00,360 Speaker 1: say it's me and you on zoom. We just rocking, talking, 1079 00:53:00,440 --> 00:53:04,560 Speaker 1: drinking wine and were like I'm like, yo, call somebody 1080 00:53:04,560 --> 00:53:06,759 Speaker 1: else on like see when you can get on with us. 1081 00:53:07,480 --> 00:53:10,319 Speaker 1: I'll call one person. You call one person, that person 1082 00:53:10,320 --> 00:53:13,360 Speaker 1: will called somebody that person. So it became just a 1083 00:53:13,440 --> 00:53:16,040 Speaker 1: cycle you know what I'm saying. It was like Carol Hart, 1084 00:53:16,680 --> 00:53:20,360 Speaker 1: wal Burden Brady was on one of them, Dave Chappelle, 1085 00:53:20,440 --> 00:53:22,120 Speaker 1: like it was just like you don't know who the 1086 00:53:22,400 --> 00:53:26,200 Speaker 1: was gonna coming on that. And then I realized, like, yo, 1087 00:53:26,280 --> 00:53:30,759 Speaker 1: everybody needs this. What everybody needs everybody drinking wine and 1088 00:53:30,800 --> 00:53:32,560 Speaker 1: ship We had d nice with the DJ. We have 1089 00:53:32,800 --> 00:53:36,200 Speaker 1: versus and the wine, Like those are the three. You 1090 00:53:36,200 --> 00:53:37,839 Speaker 1: know what I'm saying that that's what was going on. 1091 00:53:37,960 --> 00:53:41,400 Speaker 1: So I kept that what'sn't your glass? I started it, 1092 00:53:41,840 --> 00:53:44,920 Speaker 1: kept it going and here and now we got a 1093 00:53:44,960 --> 00:53:47,200 Speaker 1: full production behind it, and we made it a premium show. 1094 00:53:47,320 --> 00:53:50,600 Speaker 1: So coming down to the end um, I think as 1095 00:53:50,680 --> 00:53:54,760 Speaker 1: athletes often we don't get enough credit for because people 1096 00:53:54,840 --> 00:53:57,000 Speaker 1: just think basketball is our life and that's the furthest 1097 00:53:57,040 --> 00:54:00,320 Speaker 1: thing from the truth. Recently, you've had stuff in the media. 1098 00:54:00,480 --> 00:54:03,920 Speaker 1: What do you do mentally to block out the noise 1099 00:54:04,440 --> 00:54:07,359 Speaker 1: to focus on one being a player and then too 1100 00:54:07,520 --> 00:54:11,120 Speaker 1: being a father. So the player that that's gonna be there, 1101 00:54:11,280 --> 00:54:15,200 Speaker 1: like that's there's anything I do is surrounded around that. 1102 00:54:15,640 --> 00:54:17,520 Speaker 1: Long't I get that done? I can do whatever the 1103 00:54:17,520 --> 00:54:19,920 Speaker 1: hell I want to do after that. The parents and 1104 00:54:20,040 --> 00:54:21,920 Speaker 1: is that's easy. You know what I'm saying, that you 1105 00:54:22,000 --> 00:54:24,040 Speaker 1: just gotta be in their life. That's you gotta be there, 1106 00:54:24,080 --> 00:54:27,120 Speaker 1: you gotta be That's that's super easy. That comes natural 1107 00:54:27,360 --> 00:54:30,120 Speaker 1: to me. So I don't have to think twice about that. 1108 00:54:30,200 --> 00:54:32,759 Speaker 1: So when Ship is out there in the field and 1109 00:54:32,800 --> 00:54:35,440 Speaker 1: people talking like I just staying tall on who I am, 1110 00:54:35,880 --> 00:54:38,040 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. I know the truth and 1111 00:54:38,200 --> 00:54:40,360 Speaker 1: that's all that matter. It's like, you'll never hit me 1112 00:54:40,440 --> 00:54:44,160 Speaker 1: speak on nothing. I don't basketball person who you ain't 1113 00:54:44,160 --> 00:54:46,200 Speaker 1: gonna never hit me speak on it because only I 1114 00:54:46,440 --> 00:54:48,480 Speaker 1: know the truth. Because I'm gonna staying tall on all 1115 00:54:48,520 --> 00:54:51,080 Speaker 1: that that that that goes with who I said. People 1116 00:54:51,080 --> 00:54:52,960 Speaker 1: say a lot of things. But when you go and 1117 00:54:53,040 --> 00:54:55,280 Speaker 1: look at yourself in the mirror, if you're not happy 1118 00:54:55,320 --> 00:54:57,040 Speaker 1: with what you see, because the mirror ain't gonna lie 1119 00:54:57,080 --> 00:54:59,520 Speaker 1: to you, it's gonnae it's gonna keep it really real 1120 00:54:59,600 --> 00:55:01,120 Speaker 1: with you every time you're looking at And if you 1121 00:55:01,200 --> 00:55:02,839 Speaker 1: can go in the mirror and be happy what you see, 1122 00:55:03,080 --> 00:55:05,600 Speaker 1: bunk with anybody else, it don't matter, man, it don't matter. 1123 00:55:05,640 --> 00:55:07,480 Speaker 1: But I also say that that year that I took 1124 00:55:07,520 --> 00:55:10,280 Speaker 1: away from the game like that Ship did something different 1125 00:55:10,320 --> 00:55:13,279 Speaker 1: to me mentally, spiritually, mentally, it did something different to me, 1126 00:55:13,719 --> 00:55:15,880 Speaker 1: Like I came out of that on something like I 1127 00:55:16,040 --> 00:55:18,840 Speaker 1: was untouchable, you know what I'm saying. Like spiritually I 1128 00:55:18,960 --> 00:55:20,920 Speaker 1: was locked in. I know I haven't been locked in 1129 00:55:21,040 --> 00:55:22,720 Speaker 1: like that. I'll be in my lessons, in my books 1130 00:55:22,719 --> 00:55:25,640 Speaker 1: and all that, but I wasn't locked in like that, 1131 00:55:26,160 --> 00:55:28,480 Speaker 1: you know, So to sit still for a year, give 1132 00:55:28,520 --> 00:55:31,440 Speaker 1: me a chance to get away from basketball. Let me 1133 00:55:31,480 --> 00:55:34,400 Speaker 1: say basketball at that point. Let me get back in 1134 00:55:34,480 --> 00:55:36,440 Speaker 1: my literature, Let me get back in my lessons, let 1135 00:55:36,480 --> 00:55:38,920 Speaker 1: me let me really lock in. Let me let me 1136 00:55:39,400 --> 00:55:44,239 Speaker 1: unravel all of these years of just building up, building up, 1137 00:55:44,280 --> 00:55:47,520 Speaker 1: and suppressing a lot of ship. I gotta get that out. 1138 00:55:48,000 --> 00:55:49,680 Speaker 1: In the minute that I got that out, like I 1139 00:55:49,800 --> 00:55:52,000 Speaker 1: just said, I felt so much better mentally, spiritual, I 1140 00:55:52,080 --> 00:55:54,879 Speaker 1: just felt so much better after later during that time too, 1141 00:55:55,800 --> 00:55:57,440 Speaker 1: it was good you didn't say that because you had 1142 00:55:57,480 --> 00:55:59,520 Speaker 1: so many people speaking up for you, because they know 1143 00:55:59,600 --> 00:56:02,320 Speaker 1: you as a person, they know what you deserve, and everybody, 1144 00:56:02,320 --> 00:56:04,520 Speaker 1: everybody that knew you didn't mind riding from now. I 1145 00:56:04,520 --> 00:56:07,080 Speaker 1: ain't talking about last talk about the world. Everybody was 1146 00:56:07,120 --> 00:56:09,360 Speaker 1: speaking up because like and that that's a testament to 1147 00:56:09,400 --> 00:56:11,040 Speaker 1: who you are. And you know what I'm saying, because 1148 00:56:11,280 --> 00:56:13,000 Speaker 1: like the media can say a lot of things, but 1149 00:56:13,080 --> 00:56:15,680 Speaker 1: the best thing about now is we controlling our own narrative. 1150 00:56:16,000 --> 00:56:18,279 Speaker 1: People that knew you had we had like we had 1151 00:56:18,360 --> 00:56:20,240 Speaker 1: a platform with people that knew you had a platform. 1152 00:56:20,320 --> 00:56:22,560 Speaker 1: So it's best sometimes when you don't say nothing, because 1153 00:56:22,840 --> 00:56:24,839 Speaker 1: people that know you go around for you a little. 1154 00:56:24,840 --> 00:56:26,440 Speaker 1: I didn't. I didn't have to say much, man, And 1155 00:56:26,480 --> 00:56:28,719 Speaker 1: I'm glad I didn't really have to say much. I 1156 00:56:28,880 --> 00:56:30,440 Speaker 1: have to say ship at all. Right, you know what 1157 00:56:30,440 --> 00:56:32,319 Speaker 1: I'm saying. I had jaw holding up holding me down 1158 00:56:32,360 --> 00:56:34,919 Speaker 1: out which I appreciate that big time. And just people 1159 00:56:34,960 --> 00:56:36,960 Speaker 1: like you said, people who knew me, people who really 1160 00:56:37,239 --> 00:56:40,680 Speaker 1: know my true essence. That's what we're speaking up for me. 1161 00:56:40,760 --> 00:56:43,200 Speaker 1: And I always say that if I never ever won 1162 00:56:43,239 --> 00:56:46,640 Speaker 1: the championship, as long as I got my respect for 1163 00:56:46,760 --> 00:56:49,840 Speaker 1: my pist, that's all that matters. That's all that matters, 1164 00:56:50,120 --> 00:56:52,359 Speaker 1: straight up. That quick hitters. First thing to come to mind, 1165 00:56:52,400 --> 00:56:55,239 Speaker 1: if you could relive one night in your career, which 1166 00:56:55,320 --> 00:57:01,080 Speaker 1: night would it be? Draft Night? Okay? Why? Draft night? 1167 00:57:02,920 --> 00:57:09,880 Speaker 1: Draft Night? I did? I did? I did Draft Night? 1168 00:57:10,000 --> 00:57:13,719 Speaker 1: I did I did Draft Night? You plus four going 1169 00:57:13,760 --> 00:57:16,200 Speaker 1: to black Top? Wire? You're taking going to the black Top? 1170 00:57:16,280 --> 00:57:25,240 Speaker 1: You plus four? Oh Cold Katie Kyrie? Yeah, one more 1171 00:57:26,360 --> 00:57:31,360 Speaker 1: plus four. I don't really need a big I'll take ticket. 1172 00:57:31,440 --> 00:57:37,560 Speaker 1: I'll take kg Yeah, ticket because we play on black 1173 00:57:37,800 --> 00:57:40,160 Speaker 1: You gotta go get it, man, you gotta killers out there. 1174 00:57:44,640 --> 00:57:50,080 Speaker 1: Top five artists in your opinion ship right now and 1175 00:57:51,200 --> 00:57:59,000 Speaker 1: top five arters. I'm nahs hold kiss. Let's know that 1176 00:57:59,080 --> 00:58:13,120 Speaker 1: East Coast bush Kiss. I hate this man. I hate 1177 00:58:13,200 --> 00:58:16,760 Speaker 1: this ship like I'm I love like I love rock Kemp. 1178 00:58:18,120 --> 00:58:21,920 Speaker 1: I'm saying I love the guard Man, so he would always, 1179 00:58:22,000 --> 00:58:26,960 Speaker 1: no matter what, be my man. You know Hens of seven? 1180 00:58:27,000 --> 00:58:28,680 Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying that. You know that you 1181 00:58:28,760 --> 00:58:34,479 Speaker 1: know the history on that um like I'm a Jeezy fan, 1182 00:58:34,600 --> 00:58:36,040 Speaker 1: Like you know what I'm saying, Like I'm a Jesus 1183 00:58:36,080 --> 00:58:39,000 Speaker 1: I came up with Jez. You know what I'm saying. 1184 00:58:39,080 --> 00:58:43,440 Speaker 1: So that I can't put five man, I can't. I 1185 00:58:43,480 --> 00:58:45,640 Speaker 1: hate this ship. I could do everybody hate that. I 1186 00:58:45,720 --> 00:58:47,600 Speaker 1: can't do nives. I don't know what naves to hate 1187 00:58:47,640 --> 00:58:50,520 Speaker 1: that ship. You know what I'm saying, Like I grew 1188 00:58:50,600 --> 00:58:52,280 Speaker 1: up on nas. You know what I'm saying I grew 1189 00:58:52,400 --> 00:58:55,680 Speaker 1: up on you know, the Temberlin boots with the army jackets. 1190 00:58:56,040 --> 00:58:58,000 Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying that that was project looking 1191 00:58:58,040 --> 00:59:02,000 Speaker 1: at my project windows like songs that could you spoke 1192 00:59:02,080 --> 00:59:05,400 Speaker 1: to me? You know what I'm saying, the moutang, you 1193 00:59:05,440 --> 00:59:08,000 Speaker 1: know what I'm saying it. Then as I started getting older, 1194 00:59:08,600 --> 00:59:12,320 Speaker 1: you know, X started you know, X was a dog snoop. 1195 00:59:12,840 --> 00:59:15,160 Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. I always funk with game. 1196 00:59:15,320 --> 00:59:17,400 Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying that, Like I can't put 1197 00:59:17,480 --> 00:59:19,320 Speaker 1: five man, I funk with everybody. I'll tell you what 1198 00:59:19,400 --> 00:59:21,760 Speaker 1: I do though. I give anybody a shot. Yeah, I 1199 00:59:21,840 --> 00:59:25,160 Speaker 1: give anybody a shot, and that gives me a reason 1200 00:59:25,200 --> 00:59:27,880 Speaker 1: to be like now I'm funk with you. Theyved Road 1201 00:59:27,960 --> 00:59:35,920 Speaker 1: Arena to silence good Boston. I like that Boston. You 1202 00:59:35,960 --> 00:59:40,880 Speaker 1: don't like that look? You know like that Boston? Just 1203 00:59:41,160 --> 00:59:45,200 Speaker 1: the Boston is just they vicious out there. Man. Yeah, 1204 00:59:45,240 --> 00:59:47,360 Speaker 1: they don't give a funk out to the Bos. That's 1205 00:59:47,400 --> 00:59:52,000 Speaker 1: the That's the East Coast. You talk to me, Boston, 1206 00:59:53,000 --> 01:00:01,280 Speaker 1: you talk is second silent as you talk. I'm gonna 1207 01:00:01,320 --> 01:00:04,200 Speaker 1: sign yes, yes, yes. Utah is a place you want 1208 01:00:04,240 --> 01:00:06,600 Speaker 1: to dagger like you want to beat them. So yeah, 1209 01:00:06,640 --> 01:00:09,600 Speaker 1: you want to dagger and just talk. You talk your 1210 01:00:09,680 --> 01:00:12,560 Speaker 1: talk out, then then you talk your favorite batch up 1211 01:00:12,760 --> 01:00:16,320 Speaker 1: to this point to your career was all it would 1212 01:00:16,320 --> 01:00:21,120 Speaker 1: be cold. That would be cold. On the spot again. 1213 01:00:21,280 --> 01:00:25,360 Speaker 1: Five dinner guests that are alive. I think you would 1214 01:00:25,400 --> 01:00:29,120 Speaker 1: like this question or deep as you I think Um 1215 01:00:30,480 --> 01:00:40,880 Speaker 1: Malcolm M. Nelson, Marcus Garvey, Um, Dr Ben York Deep 1216 01:00:41,920 --> 01:00:45,920 Speaker 1: Um Obama with the table. You're gonna learn a lot 1217 01:00:45,960 --> 01:00:48,360 Speaker 1: at that table. Hell of the table. Last question, bro, 1218 01:00:48,640 --> 01:00:51,120 Speaker 1: this is a big I might interlude on this question. 1219 01:00:51,160 --> 01:00:54,400 Speaker 1: Go ahead and go ahead, get it. Find a question, 1220 01:00:54,440 --> 01:00:56,800 Speaker 1: but remember the answer to this question. You have to 1221 01:00:56,840 --> 01:00:58,640 Speaker 1: help us get them on the show. Who would you 1222 01:00:58,680 --> 01:01:01,360 Speaker 1: like to see on All the Smoke? The person that 1223 01:01:01,440 --> 01:01:05,840 Speaker 1: ain't your life swimming? Or oh no, no he cool 1224 01:01:05,880 --> 01:01:08,080 Speaker 1: with somebody else that we try to get to. Now, okay, 1225 01:01:08,840 --> 01:01:14,600 Speaker 1: let us speak. Oh I think he's been doing ever 1226 01:01:14,680 --> 01:01:19,320 Speaker 1: since Pat Joe all day. Think those I think those two, man, 1227 01:01:20,120 --> 01:01:23,120 Speaker 1: I think Holve. I would love to see house. I 1228 01:01:23,160 --> 01:01:25,919 Speaker 1: would love to see a whole one here because it's real. 1229 01:01:26,240 --> 01:01:28,560 Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, It's authentic, and he gonna 1230 01:01:28,600 --> 01:01:30,160 Speaker 1: kick that he's gonna kick that ship to you. You 1231 01:01:30,200 --> 01:01:33,280 Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. He's gonna, he's gonna, he's gonna 1232 01:01:33,280 --> 01:01:34,800 Speaker 1: have you. He's gonna have all of y'all in head 1233 01:01:34,840 --> 01:01:37,200 Speaker 1: on some right, you know what I'm saying. But you're 1234 01:01:37,200 --> 01:01:39,440 Speaker 1: gonna learn something from him too. I would love to 1235 01:01:39,440 --> 01:01:43,720 Speaker 1: see broun On here too. Um the game I would 1236 01:01:43,720 --> 01:01:45,000 Speaker 1: love to see, But I would love to see home 1237 01:01:45,040 --> 01:01:47,600 Speaker 1: one here though. I mean I can sit and listen 1238 01:01:47,640 --> 01:01:51,320 Speaker 1: to hold Talk all day. You got break Niles over here, man, 1239 01:01:51,520 --> 01:01:54,920 Speaker 1: you want to get the norm break? We need you 1240 01:01:55,840 --> 01:01:59,360 Speaker 1: any one of them three or go yeah, one of them, 1241 01:01:59,440 --> 01:02:03,080 Speaker 1: bless the brother this overhead, Yes, sir man, that's a wrap, mellow. 1242 01:02:04,840 --> 01:02:07,200 Speaker 1: We appreciate you, man. We got a lot of love 1243 01:02:07,320 --> 01:02:08,840 Speaker 1: for you, you know what I mean. Like like like 1244 01:02:08,960 --> 01:02:10,440 Speaker 1: we said, man, your peers speak up for you, and 1245 01:02:10,520 --> 01:02:12,840 Speaker 1: that shows the character and the man who you are. Man. 1246 01:02:12,920 --> 01:02:14,560 Speaker 1: So you know we got your back. You always got 1247 01:02:14,680 --> 01:02:17,560 Speaker 1: a family here you love the rest of the way, 1248 01:02:17,640 --> 01:02:19,480 Speaker 1: we know you're not done. Keep climbing that ladder. You 1249 01:02:19,520 --> 01:02:23,680 Speaker 1: can catch yourself. Showtime Basketball YouTube the hundredth episode and 1250 01:02:24,000 --> 01:02:28,240 Speaker 1: appreciate you, bro and the Heart platform the Black Effects. 1251 01:02:28,840 --> 01:02:33,560 Speaker 1: You bet you. This is all a smoke A production 1252 01:02:33,600 --> 01:02:36,480 Speaker 1: of The Black Effect and Our Heart Radio in partnership 1253 01:02:36,560 --> 01:02:42,440 Speaker 1: with Showtime. Jake Paul has site install its opponents, but 1254 01:02:42,640 --> 01:02:45,960 Speaker 1: his next test against Combat Sports ledger of Tyron Woodley. 1255 01:02:46,080 --> 01:02:49,240 Speaker 1: He's his toughest yet. 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