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Speaker 1: of the best, most intense NBA games I have seen
Speaker 1: in years the crowd first of all, the Knicks shot making.
Speaker 1: I cannot remember a game when I everybody kat in
Speaker 1: the first half. Brunson, McHale, bridges og listen, this is
Speaker 1: a cliche, but you always hear that team wanted it more,
Speaker 1: and I'm always like, he'll give me a break. I'm
Speaker 1: sorry that crowd fed that team. I didn't think the
Speaker 1: Knicks offensively Jason had that half that second half in them.
Speaker 1: That was an incredible display of shot making to me. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I was unbelievable.
Speaker 2: Wife. My wife was kind of just piddling around walking
Speaker 2: through the room and she goes that Jalen Brunston, he
Speaker 2: really has been putting the Celtics away in this series,
Speaker 2: and I was like, he's been doing this to everybody
Speaker 2: this entire playoff run. It's like you get into a
Speaker 2: game with him where it's close late and he just
Speaker 2: He's one of the most gifted shot makers I've ever watched. Colin.
Speaker 2: It's it's like a it's almost like an Alpha like
Speaker 2: number one version of what Jamal Murray does, where it's
Speaker 2: just a steady diet of like right shoulder fades, left
Speaker 2: shoulder fades, stepping back to the left, stepping back to
Speaker 2: the right, off of movement in a off ball situation,
Speaker 2: off of movement in a high ball screen. He can
Speaker 2: just hit so many different types of jump shots from
Speaker 2: so many different spots on the floor that it gives
Speaker 2: him like a lot of you know, counter moves so
Speaker 2: that he can always get a shot off. And then
Speaker 2: he's just worked so well towards polishing up his shot
Speaker 2: making in those situations. It's just remarkable. And I thought
Speaker 2: also Tom Thibodeau giving Brunson that quick rest. Kind of
Speaker 2: an interesting subplot in this game was Jalen Brown being
Speaker 2: in some foul trouble and not starting the fourth quarter.
Speaker 2: And what was weird about that is typically that's Jalen
Speaker 2: Brown's unit, but because Tatum had to lead that early
Speaker 2: fourth quarter unit, Tatum just kept hunting witches and so
Speaker 2: it was a lot of one on one from Tatum
Speaker 2: and Tatum was hitting shots, but no other Celtic was
Speaker 2: in any rhythm. And what was really a smart move
Speaker 2: from TIBs. I was joking with a couple of my
Speaker 2: Lakers buddies. I was like, is Tom Thibau about to
Speaker 2: pull a JJ Redick and just play everybody for the
Speaker 2: whole twenty four minutes, but no. He brings in Duce
Speaker 2: McBride in the early fourth quarter, and so then they
Speaker 2: start running action for Michale bridges and McHale catches a
Speaker 2: heater and starts hitting those little mid range fifteen footers,
Speaker 2: and the ball's moving around, and OG's hitting shots, and
Speaker 2: Cats getting a bucket, Mitchell Robinson's getting dunk, and the
Speaker 2: Knicks had a bunch of guys in rhythm in that
Speaker 2: fourth quarter, and so even when Tatum was hitting shots,
Speaker 2: it kind of felt like it was over because the
Speaker 2: Knicks just had so many more things going. And I
Speaker 2: mean even at the time of the Tatum injury. They
Speaker 2: were up by nine at that point. But I'd be
Speaker 2: remiss if I didn't say, Colin, I agree with you,
Speaker 2: that was an unbelievable game, and that Tatum injury is
Speaker 2: just a huge buzz kill, just a huge buzz kill
Speaker 2: at the end of.
Speaker 1: That Well, yeah, we'll circle back to the Tatum injury,
Speaker 1: which is absolutely awful, But the game felt like it
Speaker 1: was over before that. You know, I was thinking about Brunson,
Speaker 1: and you know, we talk about this in football all
Speaker 1: the time, where where you land matters. I mean, Mahomes
Speaker 1: would be great anywhere. He may be the best quarterback
Speaker 1: ever because he lands with Andy Reid, Like it does matter.
Speaker 1: So Brunson's got a little Steve Nash, you know Steve
Speaker 1: Nash Canada, Santa Clara, goes to the Mavericks, good player,
Speaker 1: good player, plays with another star, international star, Dirk and
Speaker 1: you know he goes to Phoenix and just blossoms always talented.
Speaker 1: You're like, oh my god, he's the most valuable player
Speaker 1: in the league. This is the best offense that was
Speaker 1: before the three ball era. Phoenix was scoring one twenty
Speaker 1: eight regularly like before the three ball And You're like, well,
Speaker 1: I knew he was good. I didn't think he was
Speaker 1: the most valuable player. Brunson similarly, plays in Dallas, has
Speaker 1: an international cohort. Is very good player. Nobody disputes it.
Speaker 1: Very good player, goes to New York. They give him,
Speaker 1: like Nash, the keys to the offense. And I always
Speaker 1: like Brunson, like Nash, I never saw this. I never
Speaker 1: saw honestly, he right now and I'm talking the whole league.
Speaker 1: He's as good of a late game shot maker as
Speaker 1: the league has. And you know, you'd watch Nash when
Speaker 1: he would never touch it with there his right hand,
Speaker 1: and he do that left and or off the glass
Speaker 1: like three times a game, and you're like, Okay, that
Speaker 1: doesn't make any sense. You're six to one, how are
Speaker 1: you throwing that over trees? And I'm not saying their
Speaker 1: games are similar, but it just goes to show Jason,
Speaker 1: when you empower a player who's got a little chip,
Speaker 1: who's overlooked, you give him the keys to the offense.
Speaker 1: He gets the right coach. It's a magical thing.
Speaker 2: He's the first guard that I can think of in
Speaker 2: well over a decade, because that's how long STEP's been
Speaker 2: doing it. He's the first guard to legitimately make it
Speaker 2: a debate who's the best small guard in the league
Speaker 2: Like it used to be Steph forever and it wasn't close.
Speaker 2: Like every time someone would bring up Dame, You're like,
Speaker 2: nowhere near the defender, nowhere near the off ball player.
Speaker 2: Jalen Brunson and this surgical walking teams down over and
Speaker 2: over and over again in the fourth quarter thing. It's remarkable.
Speaker 2: He's turning losses into wins. It's amazing stuff that he's doing.
Speaker 2: He's doing it in this series against elite on ball defenders,
Speaker 2: over and over again, shedding Derek White with nasty post
Speaker 2: spin moves as he fakes him out one way or
Speaker 2: the other, hunting the Celtics bigs in space. He is
Speaker 2: producing offensively at the level of the greatest players in
Speaker 2: the league, and it's no longer a conversation to me
Speaker 2: as to whether or not Jalen Brunson could be the
Speaker 2: best player on a championship team. He absolutely can be,
Speaker 2: and Colinques have to bring this up because I think
Speaker 2: this is important in the context of the storyline heading
Speaker 2: into the series. One of the themes coming into the
Speaker 2: series is Boston killed the Knicks in the regular season
Speaker 2: by hunting Brunson and by hunting Kat, and Cat has
Speaker 2: been a nightmare defensively in the series, although he did
Speaker 2: do a couple of better possessions against Tatum down the
Speaker 2: stretch of this game. But Jalen Brunson has been very
Speaker 2: good defensively in this series and repeatedly in crunch time
Speaker 2: in the wins they had in Boston. He got stops
Speaker 2: on Tatum on an Island. He got stops on Jalen
Speaker 2: Brown in an Island. He survived post up mismatches against
Speaker 2: Al Horford, like he's playing two way basketball too, Like
Speaker 2: this is a this is one of our better competitors
Speaker 2: in the league who is demonstrating for the world that
Speaker 2: he belongs in the conversation with the best players in
Speaker 2: the league. Like he legitimately has a case to be
Speaker 2: the best small guard in the league right now. And
Speaker 2: it's crazy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I said this, I felt like Ewing was
Speaker 1: the best nick ever. And I always felt, you know,
Speaker 1: Mellow was a little overstated because I thought he was
Speaker 1: a profound offensive talent, but not necessarily a guy, not
Speaker 1: a great leader. And I said this a couple of
Speaker 1: years ago, I said, I would take you know, Walt
Speaker 1: Fraser Ewing, Bernard King Brunson feels like he's in that class.
Speaker 1: I mean, for as bad as the football teams are,
Speaker 1: he's like the best cou're back in New York. Like
Speaker 1: he is what New York teams should be. New York
Speaker 1: teams should be tough, they should be resilient, they should
Speaker 1: be fighters. They shouldn't be you know, they shouldn't be slick.
Speaker 1: That's for LA teams or Miami teams. It's like New
Speaker 1: York teams. New York basketball from Syracuse The Pearl, Washington's
Speaker 1: you know, like Syracuse the zone, the matchup zone defense,
Speaker 1: the great Nick teams with pat Riley. Walt Fraser was
Speaker 1: a great defensive guard. Willis Reid. Like the culture of
Speaker 1: basketball in New York is tough and physical, and I
Speaker 1: just watched them tonight and I thought to myself, listen,
Speaker 1: if the NBA, and I think it's a really smart plan,
Speaker 1: is going to allow for more physical play. I do
Speaker 1: think there is a cat issue defensively on this team.
Speaker 1: That's why Mitchell Robinson is in that game in the
Speaker 1: second half, Like we'll take cat scoring early. We'll go
Speaker 1: with Robinson even though he can't hit her free throw.
Speaker 1: I do think they have to kind of clean up
Speaker 1: the pick and roll D defense with Kat at some
Speaker 1: point in personnel. But the league is allowing this kind
Speaker 1: of physical play and their ball movement their defense. I
Speaker 1: don't know. I look at it and I'm like, I
Speaker 1: don't think i'd screw it up. The chemistry is just remarkable.
Speaker 1: Like I think Kat is a really nice offensive piece,
Speaker 1: but Gotti, the well coach teams are going to attack
Speaker 1: him if if you had to. And I know it's
Speaker 1: not the night, But I came out of that thinking
Speaker 1: they don't need KD. They don't need another shot maker.
Speaker 1: That was my take.
Speaker 2: Do they I don't yet the I think a more
Speaker 2: reliable version of Mitchell Robinson at the center position would
Speaker 2: be a really interesting piece. Like you you mentioned the
Speaker 2: pick and roll defense. Let's say, let's say the results hold,
Speaker 2: which I believe they will if Tatum's injured. I think
Speaker 2: the Knicks are going to win the series, and I
Speaker 2: believe the Pacers will close out the Calves, although that's
Speaker 2: not necessarily over. The Pacers are a very very difficult
Speaker 2: team to guard, and they specifically capitalize on dudes who
Speaker 2: are slow footed in space. That's that is how they
Speaker 2: take advantage of you. And the Calves are fast and
Speaker 2: they're cutting them to pieces. They hung eight, they hung
Speaker 2: eighty points on them yesterday in the first half. The
Speaker 2: Calves are the Pacers are playing some special basketball. So
Speaker 2: a lot of it depends on how next round goes.
Speaker 2: If they hold up well and they beat the Pacers,
Speaker 2: I think it's a much more complicated conversation about the
Speaker 2: type of move they need to make. But if they
Speaker 2: get beat by, if they just get flat out beat
Speaker 2: by the Pacers. I think what you have to look
Speaker 2: at is Kale Bridges kind of makes sense as a
Speaker 2: secondary player next to Jalen Brunson. He can run that
Speaker 2: action when he's off the floor. Og Ananobi to me,
Speaker 2: is like the quintessential weak side scoring forward, Like he
Speaker 2: just scores off the skip passes, the ball gets skipped
Speaker 2: to him and he shoots at three or he drives
Speaker 2: the clothes out. Jalen Brunson is proving that he can
Speaker 2: be that on ball guard that can lead a championship team.
Speaker 2: Get a kick ass center, get somebody, Get somebody that
Speaker 2: can really guard, that can really defend in space, that
Speaker 2: can really do the things that they need to kind
Speaker 2: of tie all of that together. And I'm not sure
Speaker 2: that there's like maybe they can turn around and try
Speaker 2: to flip Cat towards like you know, maybe they called
Speaker 2: Dallas and they go, hey, maybe you want a pair
Speaker 2: Cat with Anthony Davis and we'll take Derek Lively in PJ.
Speaker 2: Washington for more forward depth or something like that. I
Speaker 2: could see them making a move centered around Kat if
Speaker 2: he gets exposed in the Pacers series, But so much
Speaker 2: of it just depends on what happens in that series.
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Speaker 1: things that really jumped out to me first. Credit to Tatum,
Speaker 1: who played one of his best playoff games as a Celtics.
Speaker 1: He was aggressive, he was hunting it. He was great.
Speaker 1: But one of the things I really noticed is the reason,
Speaker 1: as you noted earlier, the Knicks had such a great
Speaker 1: rhythm is they were just Brunson. They moved the ball.
Speaker 1: I think the Celtics get into this. It's not just
Speaker 1: the threes. They're a math equation. When they shoot threes poorly,
Speaker 1: they don't move the ball, and it just becomes you know,
Speaker 1: Pretcher off a screen. And I feel like some of
Speaker 1: that's on Missoula. There's a difference between. I mean, again,
Speaker 1: they shoot a lot of threes, but I go back
Speaker 1: earlier this season when they were flying through good teams
Speaker 1: on the road and I would watch them and I'd
Speaker 1: be like, God, they're ball moving's exceptional. When I watched
Speaker 1: in the second half and I'm like, oh, this is
Speaker 1: just this is like Tatum or Pritchard off a screen.
Speaker 1: I mean a couple and I thought Tatum played well,
Speaker 1: but a couple of his shots before the injury are like, bro,
Speaker 1: that is deep by your standards. And I think part
Speaker 1: of this series, I think Missoula did not do a
Speaker 1: great job. I don't think we can just blame it
Speaker 1: on missing threes. Why did they have two games where
Speaker 1: they were atrocious and why in the second half did
Speaker 1: they struggle. I didn't like their lack of ball movement.
Speaker 2: The shots they took in Game three were the same
Speaker 2: shots they took in Game two's. They just went in
Speaker 2: And you know, I was actually talking about this in
Speaker 2: my show today because I was trying to like think
Speaker 2: about what I've learned from this Nick Celtics series to
Speaker 2: this point. And I think we can all agree that
Speaker 2: the Celtics win Humming are the best team in the
Speaker 2: league because they have just unbelievable shot making mixed in
Speaker 2: with like high level read and react stuff for wide
Speaker 2: open threes, and they're they can be great defensively, like
Speaker 2: they were so good defensively in the first half of
Speaker 2: this game they had the Nixon handcuffs. But then there's
Speaker 2: also this lower floor than we all imagined. And the
Speaker 2: reason why is they just have never had an audible
Speaker 2: like when they don't hit shots. They don't have like
Speaker 2: a like the the Nuggets, who can be like, okay,
Speaker 2: the you know, Jamal Murray doesn't really have it going.
Speaker 2: We're gonna spam low post stuff with Jokic, or Jokics
Speaker 2: doesn't really have it going, we're gonna go to the
Speaker 2: two man game with Jamal Murray or Aaron Gordon has
Speaker 2: this seize mismatch down low, we can just dump it
Speaker 2: down to him. They won a finals game doing that
Speaker 2: a couple of years ago. There's a certain amount of
Speaker 2: variety that you see in the best offenses in the league,
Speaker 2: and with Boston it's kind of right now, like Tatum
Speaker 2: or Brown hunting mismatches and they're driving kick attack, and
Speaker 2: that's basically all they have in their offensive game, and
Speaker 2: there is a there is a susceptibility they have to
Speaker 2: what happened tonight and what happened in the first two games,
Speaker 2: which is all the other guys are out of rhythm
Speaker 2: because it's turning into one on one ball at the
Speaker 2: top of the key. And the shot yeah from Tatum
Speaker 2: was remarkable in that third quarter. I mean he hit
Speaker 2: three or four really turn around fadeaways. But there's a
Speaker 2: little bit of a fools gold element there if the
Speaker 2: other teammates are not involved. Drew Holliday, wide open three
Speaker 2: in the left corner, misses it in the fourth quarter
Speaker 2: because it's the only catch and shoot three he got
Speaker 2: for like a twenty minute span of real time. Derek
Speaker 2: White misses a corner three, even though he had been
Speaker 2: hot all night. Because in the late third quarter, the
Speaker 2: ball wasn't moving around, he wasn't getting touches. He ends
Speaker 2: up missing that shot. And this is where it's the
Speaker 2: smart game plan. The Knicks had been using traditional coverages
Speaker 2: with Kat throughout the series, and there in that second
Speaker 2: half they were like, just switch and just try to
Speaker 2: score on Kat. And guess what Kat got scored on.
Speaker 2: He got scored on something. Yeah, but it turned into
Speaker 2: a one on one contest and the other guys all
Speaker 2: got froze out. No other Celtics cent rhythm. I bet
Speaker 2: you if you pulled the numbers from the tail end
Speaker 2: of that game, Tatum probably outscored the entire rest of
Speaker 2: his team over the final seventeen to eighteen minutes of
Speaker 2: that game.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was ISO's at the top. Wasn't ball movement.
Speaker 1: People got cold while the Knicks everybody was getting touches.
Speaker 1: Josh Harten didn't have a big offensive game, but that
Speaker 1: didn't mean he didn't touch the ball. And that's the
Speaker 1: difference poor Zingis was disappointing. I will tell you over
Speaker 1: the course of the season, Peyton Pritchard's emergence. I don't
Speaker 1: know exactly what poor Zingis is. I thought tonight he
Speaker 1: was in bad position. He had multiple opportunities where he
Speaker 1: had the best position off a rebound and jumped too
Speaker 1: early or got pushed out of the way. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I think that's a movable piece. Like I think they'll
Speaker 1: come out of this series. My opinion is they'll move Poorzingis.
Speaker 2: Well, let's dig into this a little bit, Colin, because
Speaker 2: I mean, fingers crossed that it's good news for Tatum.
Speaker 2: But I have a feeling that it's what it looked
Speaker 2: like and he's probably going to be out for all
Speaker 2: of next season. And if that is the case, chrisops
Speaker 2: Porzingis is about turn thirty years old and he's made
Speaker 2: of tissue paper.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Drew Holliday is thirty four, Al Horford's thirty eight, Derek
Speaker 2: White is thirty, and Jalen Brown's really good, but he's
Speaker 2: twenty eight and he kind of is what he is
Speaker 2: at this point. I think it's possible if the Tatum
Speaker 2: injury is confirmed to be what it looks like that
Speaker 2: Boston ends up essentially fire sailing a bunch of these
Speaker 2: guys this summer, because what's the point You're gonna run
Speaker 2: back with Jalen Brown and thirty nine year old Al
Speaker 2: Horford and chrisops Porzingis and like they'd be fine, But
Speaker 2: they're not. They're they're all of a sudden like the
Speaker 2: fourth or fifth best team in the West.
Speaker 1: If they sign their first round pick, they have five
Speaker 1: hundred million dollars on the payroll, new owners who have
Speaker 1: a new bank note that's not gonna.
Speaker 2: Work exactly they need to be if it's again, if
Speaker 2: it's confirmed, and I believe it will be. I mean
Speaker 2: the body, which it's just brutal that you could just
Speaker 2: tell that Tatum's heart was broken. But I think you
Speaker 2: almost have to look at it like the twenty twenty
Speaker 2: season for the Warriors after the Kevin Durant injury and
Speaker 2: after the Klay Thompson injury, where it's like, this is
Speaker 2: the year to be bad and to get off of
Speaker 2: money and to bring in the means with which to
Speaker 2: rebuild around Tatum and Brown. Because Tatum is twenty seven
Speaker 2: and he probably will make a full recovery and still
Speaker 2: be an all NBA level player when he gets back,
Speaker 2: and so there's an opportunity to kind of like use
Speaker 2: this year as a gap year to kind of get
Speaker 2: off of some of this old money. Drew Holliday is
Speaker 2: gonna be useful to somebody. There's gonna be somebody out
Speaker 2: there who will look at Drew Holliday and feel like
Speaker 2: he'll help us win a championship. Orford might even be
Speaker 2: that guy for somebody. There's you know, Derek White I
Speaker 2: think would fetch a super high price right now, although
Speaker 2: I wouldn't get rid of him unless he fetched a
Speaker 2: super high price because he's at the age where he
Speaker 2: can still help Tatum and Brown. But yeah, their entire
Speaker 2: outlook fundamentally changes by this because this was already call
Speaker 2: in kind of a sneaky old roster and it kind
Speaker 2: of felt like a two to three year window where
Speaker 2: you had an opportunity to win, and if Tatum's down,
Speaker 2: there's no opportunity to win.
Speaker 1: For the record, nice job, Goldie. Celtics only had fifteen assists,
Speaker 1: second fewest all seasons. So my eyes in your eyes
Speaker 1: did not deceive us isoball isolation. Top didn't pass the ball.
Speaker 1: We were right. They're averaging nineteen assists in the playoffs,
Speaker 1: down from twenty six in the regular season. So this
Speaker 1: is Joe Mizzoula. They're not moving the ball. Nice job, Goldie. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and here's the otter thing I thought about. I'll throw
Speaker 1: this at you. Oklahoma City is only getting better. Okay
Speaker 1: if you look at San Antonio, who has the number
Speaker 1: two pick and two young stars actually three, only getting better.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, Houston maybe in the Katie or Janna sweepstakes,
Speaker 1: only getting better. What's interesting is that this may be
Speaker 1: the nixt year circling back to the Knicks. It's like, guys,
Speaker 1: the West Cooper flags going west. Dallas now is with
Speaker 1: that front line is going to be something Dallas, okac Houston,
Speaker 1: San Antonio. The argument you can make today they will
Speaker 1: all be better. Golden State won't, Lakers may not. Those
Speaker 1: four will be. So it really creates urgency. We know this.
Speaker 1: Remember the Seahawks, we thought in the NFL were going
Speaker 1: to have a dynasty. They win one, they get to
Speaker 1: the second weird play call at the goal line, never
Speaker 1: get back. That play call did something to the locker
Speaker 1: room and the culture. They never recovered. I mean, you
Speaker 1: say all, Boston'll be fine. What if Tatum's out next year.
Speaker 1: It's one thing when he misses two games, it's another
Speaker 1: one he misses eighty two. Poor Zingish, you can't trust.
Speaker 1: They may be Denver. The Celtics may very well be Denver.
Speaker 1: The Knicks may end up if they can get to
Speaker 1: the finals and snag one with all the money and
Speaker 1: all the greatness of Boston. What if New York's like
Speaker 1: steals a championship. I mean, that's what's so crazy about
Speaker 1: this sport is that we're going to run now where
Speaker 1: there are no great teams. But it looks like over
Speaker 1: the next two to three years the West could have
Speaker 1: more than one. So I want to talk about that
Speaker 1: for a second. I do feel like Boston's going to
Speaker 1: be out, Cleveland's out. Well New York matches up with
Speaker 1: everybody else. I mean, OKC would go into that final
Speaker 1: as one of the youngest finals teams ever. Are we
Speaker 1: looking at everything falling for the Knicks?
Speaker 2: Watch out for the Pacers, Colin. They are They are
Speaker 2: reaching a level on both ends of the floor now
Speaker 2: that is really impressive. Like, I know, the Cavs are
Speaker 2: banged up. Darius Garland with his toe injury, and Mobley's
Speaker 2: got an ankle, Donovan Mitchell's got an ankle now, But
Speaker 2: that team won sixty four games, and let's just this
Speaker 2: is the best way I could describe it, Colin. The
Speaker 2: Calvs beat the Pacers in the second half seventy to
Speaker 2: forty nine yesterday and still lost by twenty. Okay, that's
Speaker 2: how bad the Pacers beat them yesterday. So like this
Speaker 2: Pacers team is, I'm I'm nervous about Karl Anthony Towns
Speaker 2: guarding in that matchup. That said, as we've seen with
Speaker 2: Denver in the OKC matchup, if you are facing a
Speaker 2: team that has some ify shooters that you can help
Speaker 2: off of, it's an easier matchup for the Knicks. So like,
Speaker 2: in a weird way, I give him a puncher's chance
Speaker 2: against an OKC because they'd be able to load up
Speaker 2: the strong side and all that kind of stuff. But
Speaker 2: it's like that Pacers matchup is just such an interesting
Speaker 2: one with Kat because it's just a disaster for him
Speaker 2: having to guard in space and Miles Turner's hitting every
Speaker 2: three he takes right now, which is causing problems for
Speaker 2: opposing bigs, and the Pacers are just playing at a
Speaker 2: really high level. So I would like I would look
Speaker 2: at that Knicks Pacers series. My initial gut feeling is
Speaker 2: to favor Indiana, to be clear, So that's not an
Speaker 2: insult to the Knicks. It's just kind of a matchup thing,
Speaker 2: and I just am seeing stuff with Indiana that I
Speaker 2: think is pretty special. They they're kind of like the
Speaker 2: quintessential team basketball, Like everyone is playing super well on
Speaker 2: that team. They're defending, they're picking up full court. Rick
Speaker 2: Carlisle has them playing super hard for forty eight minutes
Speaker 2: every single night. But this has opened up in the
Speaker 2: sense that I'll just put it this way. Con even
Speaker 2: if the Knicks won tonight, which I mean, we agree
Speaker 2: they would have, even if Tatum didn't get hurt, I
Speaker 2: still wouldn't have been surprised if Boston came back and
Speaker 2: won the series. But now it looks like they're almost
Speaker 2: certainly going to advance, and if they advance, they certainly
Speaker 2: have a great chance. Once you're in the conference finals,
Speaker 2: it's like anything can happen at that point.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was really funny. Tonight was the first night
Speaker 1: watching the Knicks, and it was late. It was pre
Speaker 1: Tatum injury, probably seven minutes left, and I thought we'll
Speaker 1: go back to the beginning. I just think New York's
Speaker 1: built for this series. I think it means more. I
Speaker 1: think the officials are letting them play. I think they're
Speaker 1: winning the coaching matchup and they're underdogs. That's a powerful
Speaker 1: that's a powerful thing. Well, this has been great, So, folks,
Speaker 1: we just broke down Celtics and Knicks. So what we're
Speaker 1: gonna play next? We did these in inverse order right
Speaker 1: after the NBA lottery Jason and I jm On surprised,
Speaker 1: to say the least. So this was great. You and
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Speaker 1: This is one of my favorite nights of the year.
Speaker 1: I just love it and First of all, I you know,
Speaker 1: once they you know, I didn't want to see Toronto
Speaker 1: win it. I'm sorry. I want Cooper Flag to be here.
Speaker 1: I didn't want to see New Orleans, Washington, Charlotte. You know,
Speaker 1: after watching Shooting Guards that documentary, I can't root for
Speaker 1: the Wizards ever again. I know it's a different group.
Speaker 1: I was so disgusted by it. But I said earlier
Speaker 1: today on FS one, I said, if San Antonio wins
Speaker 1: Stefan Castle Wemby Cooper Flag, I said, oh, poor Oklahoma City.
Speaker 1: They've done everything right. They had Westbrook, Durant Harden couldn't win.
Speaker 1: Now they're going to have this SGA Holmegrid Roster, and
Speaker 1: they got this train for the next decade. But it's
Speaker 1: the Dallas Mavericks. You know, it makes me think of this. Listen.
Speaker 1: I thought the trade Luca the Lakers was terrible, but
Speaker 1: I said, before the new CBA, he qualified Luca for
Speaker 1: seventy large, seventy million a year. And I was talking
Speaker 1: to one of my only friends that ever deals with billionaires.
Speaker 1: He's in venture capital, and he said, listen, man, he said,
Speaker 1: people are so rich now, thirty millions a rounding air.
Speaker 1: But even for a billionaire, seventy five million dollars for
Speaker 1: a basketball player. He better play defense, he better be
Speaker 1: in shape, he better be healthy. He said, they're not
Speaker 1: paying that to Luca. He goes and that was his
Speaker 1: whole theory. He goes the pressure on Nico. Some of
Speaker 1: it was like, okay, seventy five million, he's missed the
Speaker 1: last two camps. So whether you liked it or not,
Speaker 1: I did think it was worthy of discussion. They just
Speaker 1: didn't get enough out of it. Three firsts Ad, Austin
Speaker 1: Reeves and another. It's like, okay, now we can sleep
Speaker 1: on it. But here's what's funny, Jason timpf. Essentially, instead
Speaker 1: of three hundred million, you get the best domestic prospect
Speaker 1: maybe in ten years.
Speaker 2: Since Ad I mean Zion.
Speaker 1: Since A is it not? Did the basketball gods not
Speaker 1: grant them the greatest gift ever?
Speaker 2: You know, I'm not mister the NBA is rigged. I'm
Speaker 2: not that guy. But if you were that guy, this
Speaker 2: would be the day to make the case. Because, in
Speaker 2: addition to the Dallas piece, which we'll get to in
Speaker 2: just a second, I think that the league has now
Speaker 2: just tied up San Antonio for the easiest Yannis trade
Speaker 2: that you could possibly imagine, and we can get into
Speaker 2: that in a second. But the the Dallas front is
Speaker 2: super fascinating because Cooper Flag in many ways is everything
Speaker 2: that Luca isn't in the sense that he's got this
Speaker 2: like incredible work ethic, proven, like details oriented, freakish competitor,
Speaker 2: but what he doesn't have is like just whatever you
Speaker 2: want to call that magic quality Luca has, which just
Speaker 2: brings that top side offensively that very few players in
Speaker 2: NBA history have reached by his age, and Cooper Flag
Speaker 2: has a little bit of that sort of weakness in
Speaker 2: the sense that he doesn't have a singular point of
Speaker 2: his game that you can point to where it's like, oh,
Speaker 2: he is like an A plus plus plus athlete, or
Speaker 2: he is an A plus plus plus shooter or anything
Speaker 2: like that. But he's just so versatile down the line
Speaker 2: that he brings an element that Luka Doncic didn't bring.
Speaker 2: He's such a natural fit next to Anthony Davis, which
Speaker 2: I really like. There's some big picture questions with Dallas's
Speaker 2: roster now with PJ Washington, like how does he fit
Speaker 2: into this mix? I think, on one hand, I'm just
Speaker 2: so thrilled that Cooper didn't go to a team that
Speaker 2: was trying to be bad. I think that that's one
Speaker 2: of the nice kind of upsides of this is that
Speaker 2: it prevents that sort of mediocrity being rewarded. And then
Speaker 2: on the Yanna's front with with San Antonio, what I
Speaker 2: find super fascinating is there are these three teams that
Speaker 2: are obviously teed up to be able to go get Yanis,
Speaker 2: and that's Oklahoma City, San Antonio and Houston. And Janis
Speaker 2: going to Oklahoma City would be no fun, Like, that's
Speaker 2: no fun. They're just gonna kill everybody like that, That's
Speaker 2: literally no fun. And then Houston, it's kind of an
Speaker 2: interesting fit. But Houston is like athletic and can't shoot,
Speaker 2: so they seem to make the perfect sense for a
Speaker 2: KD team, you know what I mean? Right, And so
Speaker 2: like ideally Yanni's going to San Antonio makes the most sense.
Speaker 2: They have the clear pieces to be able to offer
Speaker 2: in terms of like they can give Milwaukee both picks
Speaker 2: and like a really intriguing young prospect like Stefan Castle
Speaker 2: and a specific pick in this upcoming draft, the number
Speaker 2: two overall pick where they could hope to get a
Speaker 2: super high level guard to help in the future. And
Speaker 2: so with that being the case, like, I think this
Speaker 2: has broken out just about perfectly for what the league
Speaker 2: would probably like to see.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I think Also, I don't think i'd mess.
Speaker 1: The only thing I thought I thought if San Antonio
Speaker 1: won the lottery was Stefan Castle, Wemby and Cooper Flag.
Speaker 1: I thought Oklahoma City would be like, okay, right, we're
Speaker 1: gonna move home Groun and seven Picks and lou Dort
Speaker 1: for Giannis, Like I'm sorry, but this is going to
Speaker 1: be a freight train for eight years in San Antonio.
Speaker 1: So I was saying, if you're Oklahoma City, you were
Speaker 1: rooting against San Antonio. They may not be you next year.
Speaker 1: But that was scary. I wouldn't have minded Philadelphia winning,
Speaker 1: but I feel like it would have been almost unfair
Speaker 1: because they've really I mean, let's be honest, they held
Speaker 1: on to m BED too long. They blamed everybody except
Speaker 1: MBD for all their problems. It's like, that's not fair.
Speaker 1: But I also think as a sportscaster, when I look
Speaker 1: at this move for Dallas, is that I said this
Speaker 1: to a friend the other day, I said, you know,
Speaker 1: the best trade partner for Dallas. They need to play initiator.
Speaker 1: They need Austin Reeves and the Lakers need size, and
Speaker 1: Dallas has a really deep front line. I said, they're
Speaker 1: not gonna make that move. Now I think to myself, well,
Speaker 1: you know, I think what Dallas needs is somebody like
Speaker 1: Cooper Flag, who let's just say he's Jason Tatum. I
Speaker 1: still think. I don't think Kyrie is gonna play next year,
Speaker 1: not until at least the trading deadline. So it's Dallas
Speaker 1: has some extra size to play with. But good god,
Speaker 1: look at this, Jason. The West is already better. Dallas
Speaker 1: now gets Cooper Flag, san Antonio gets the second best players,
Speaker 1: the Rutgers kid everybody loves. I mean, I keep looking
Speaker 1: at this thing. I was talking to Rachel Nichols today.
Speaker 1: The West is just going to get better, and yannest
Speaker 1: Milwaukee's not trading him in the East, They're trading him West.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's that's that's what I said about Milwaukee
Speaker 1: today and the honest trait take out Boston if you
Speaker 1: go and get a chet Home Grin and multiple picks,
Speaker 1: or go to Houston and get Sheng Goon Jalen Green
Speaker 1: six Picks and Jabari Smith. I'm throwing names out. Outside
Speaker 1: of Boston, You're not that far away from being the
Speaker 1: number two team in the East. In the West, you
Speaker 1: could not give up a Yanis. It would be decimating Portland.
Speaker 1: You know, they move off Dame. They have all this talent.
Speaker 1: It's they're irrelevant. If you had to guess Janis, who's
Speaker 1: the best fit. And I agree with you, Houston needs
Speaker 1: a shooter. Yannis probably isn't the perfect fit.
Speaker 2: Yeah. The thing that would be really nice with Yannis
Speaker 2: as a frontline partner with Victor wembin Yama is their
Speaker 2: games compliment each other on a bunch of specific levels. So,
Speaker 2: for instance, Victor Wembinyama is blossoming as this like three
Speaker 2: point centric center and he very clearly likes to take
Speaker 2: that shot. It's something he hunts when he's out there.
Speaker 2: So there's kind of like a spacing dynamic to where
Speaker 2: you don't want to have two centers basically playing with
Speaker 2: each other that both want to work right by the basket,
Speaker 2: and so there's kind of a natural fit there. But
Speaker 2: the second piece of it is Wemby has some vulnerability
Speaker 2: to size and strength and Yannis does not, and so
Speaker 2: anchoring anchoring Wemby with a six' eleven forward that is
Speaker 2: one of the most physically dominant forwards of his. Era
Speaker 2: is kind of a perfig natural fit. There and, yeah
Speaker 2: they already have with the Darn fox piece the ball handling,
Speaker 2: piece so you can actually see this like this like
Speaker 2: rim protection. Center giannis has always played better next to
Speaker 2: a center when they when The bucks used to play
Speaker 2: him at, center they used to have issues because he's
Speaker 2: not as good at defending pick and roll as he
Speaker 2: is is like kind of a traditional help side, defender
Speaker 2: and So wemby can defend pick and, Roll giannis can
Speaker 2: be their low man help side. Defender Daron fox is
Speaker 2: your point of attack. Guard it just has such a
Speaker 2: natural fit. There and one of the things that was
Speaker 2: going to get tricky with San antonio and this is
Speaker 2: this is where that second pick is super. Interesting you
Speaker 2: get to the question where you're, like, man are we
Speaker 2: going to have to give Up Stefan castle And Devin
Speaker 2: vessel to make this? Happen this the number two pick
Speaker 2: is probably going to Be Dylan, harper and he's very
Speaker 2: interesting guard out Of rutgers that has size and has
Speaker 2: some athleticism and can and really get to the. Basket
Speaker 2: Dylan harper gives you another piece to include in a
Speaker 2: deal like, that to maybe keep a, castle or to
Speaker 2: maybe keep A Devin. Vasselle Devin vesselle is kind of
Speaker 2: an off ball shooter, archetype so he might be the
Speaker 2: perfect guy to. Keep he's also older and a little
Speaker 2: bit closer to being ready to contribute in a serious.
Speaker 2: Context and so it kind of just feels like the
Speaker 2: stars are aligning in that. Way If I'm, HOUSTON i
Speaker 2: want to bargain serious For. Giannis BUT kd is just
Speaker 2: such a nice backup plan for them to go to
Speaker 2: that just fits so nicely. There And i'm so glad
Speaker 2: you mentioned The Austin Reeves dallas, piece because that deal
Speaker 2: will never happened after what. Happened if The, dallas if
Speaker 2: the mass do another deal with The, lakers their fans might.
Speaker 2: Revolt but there's such like an obvious Like Gafford Austin,
Speaker 2: reeves there maybe such something LIKE i think The lakers
Speaker 2: would need to get more BECAUSE i Think austin's a
Speaker 2: better player Than. Gafford but there is like there's a
Speaker 2: version of that deal they could put together where they
Speaker 2: where they get some athleticism, back and it makes some,
Speaker 2: sense and it's just a question of whether or not
Speaker 2: that type of partnership would ever work. Out the other
Speaker 2: group THAT i look, at IF i was The lakers
Speaker 2: With austin is look At brooklyn and see if they
Speaker 2: can't get like A Nick claxton or something like that
Speaker 2: and that type of.
Speaker 1: Deal, yeah It's, OH i loved it so much. Tonight
Speaker 1: it just cracked me. Up Dallas San antonio seventy six
Speaker 1: ers get the third choice And. CHARLOTTE i will, say
Speaker 1: there's there's one THING i do think that really works
Speaker 1: in the NBA's favor when you see a lot of
Speaker 1: THESE G league guys Like Jalen, green and you kind
Speaker 1: of put your arms up in the air as AN
Speaker 1: nba commissioner and, go, wow a lot of these guys
Speaker 1: who are, flourishing these young guys went to college or they're,
Speaker 1: international which their academy systems better than our current kind
Speaker 1: of g leaksist. Them and it's not that people will
Speaker 1: push back on THE G, league but with nil money
Speaker 1: at the top ten programs now, comparable you, know relative
Speaker 1: to the Ni elmont or to THE G league. MONEY
Speaker 1: i do think the domestic. Product the draft is going
Speaker 1: to become less international at the top and more, domestic
Speaker 1: or at least it won't look like last. YEAR i
Speaker 1: mean this year is a great. Example it's very domestic,
Speaker 1: product and SO i think THAT'S i think that really.
Speaker 1: Matters i've said this for. YEARS i understood THE G
Speaker 1: league pre, nil But i've said this About Jalen. Green
Speaker 1: he has no defined offensive. Game even if you spend
Speaker 1: a year in college with a with A Dan hurley
Speaker 1: or A Bill self or A tom is just a
Speaker 1: year of hard coaching college campus fundamentals. MATURING i think
Speaker 1: it really. Matters, also playing In, march playing on, television
Speaker 1: playing in a big ten OR sec, environment whether it's real,
Speaker 1: pressure bad, game the students give you the side eye
Speaker 1: like that's real pressure for eighteen nineteen year. OLD i
Speaker 1: Mean Cooper, flag you play At, duke you have fifteen
Speaker 1: games On NATTY, tv and then you Have. March SO
Speaker 1: i do think college basketball has been a bit marginalized
Speaker 1: by the. LEAGUE i got it pre, nil but now
Speaker 1: IF i was a, DAD i would take a little
Speaker 1: less and go with a marketing advantage Of, Kansas, Syracuse.
Speaker 1: Yukon would you? NOT i think you're.
Speaker 2: Dead on with, This. Colin there is a thing that
Speaker 2: happens in THE G league where they prepare you for
Speaker 2: the pro game in a certain, way in the sense
Speaker 2: that they'll put you in some nbaesque roles where you're
Speaker 2: either running tie ball, screens or you're behaving as the
Speaker 2: role man, screener or you're attacking closeouts on the week,
Speaker 2: side DIFFERENT nba defensive. Concepts all that's, great but you're
Speaker 2: not going to capture the, intensity the, stakes the overall
Speaker 2: just like passion and vibe that you get in college.
Speaker 2: Basketball it's the closest thing that you're going to find
Speaker 2: that REPLICATES nba playoff. BASKETBALL i also think the coaching,
Speaker 2: matters like you're just gonna give your kid the best access,
Speaker 2: to you, know real like, intentional detail oriented, coaching because
Speaker 2: at that level it makes such a huge difference when
Speaker 2: you're working with those types of, athletes and LIKE i
Speaker 2: think to your, point having an il incentivizing kids to
Speaker 2: stay in the college game in addition to just being
Speaker 2: great for just basketball, culture because to be, HONEST ncaa
Speaker 2: basketball is such a huge part of WHAT i grew
Speaker 2: up rooting for WHEN i was a. Kid, COLIN i
Speaker 2: barely watched THE. NBA i watched a lot Of, arizona
Speaker 2: The university Of arizona basketball WHEN i was like sixteen,
Speaker 2: seventeen WHEN i was going to play high school. Ball
Speaker 2: those were the kids we. Idolized we idolized the kids
Speaker 2: playing at the u OF. A it's just it's part
Speaker 2: of the. CULTURE i think it just needed, this And
Speaker 2: i'm so glad THE ncaa was willing to just kind
Speaker 2: of adapt into this era because we needed this for
Speaker 2: this sport to. SURVIVE i think it's better for the
Speaker 2: basketball players in our.
Speaker 1: Country, yeah And i've said, THIS i understand THE nba
Speaker 1: sting with regular season ratings because regular season playoff basketball
Speaker 1: is about veteran teams and recognizable, players so the numbers go,
Speaker 1: up plus the intensity regular, season there's a lot of
Speaker 1: guys you don't. Know there's a lot of bad, teams
Speaker 1: and those are international players you didn't, watch OR G
Speaker 1: league guys you didn't. Watch And i've said. This you,
Speaker 1: Know i'm On thompson as OBVIOUSLY G league and a great,
Speaker 1: player but you Watch Jalen green and you're, like, man
Speaker 1: he could have used. College he could have really used.
Speaker 1: College he feels Lost Jonathan. MINGA i, mean we're on what,
Speaker 1: year year, Four i'm still trying to quite figure out
Speaker 1: what he. Is he can't play with the. VETERANS i
Speaker 1: Mean San Antonio Golden state's culture is. Classic every young guy,
Speaker 1: Struggles every young guy. Struggles it could Be, wiseman it
Speaker 1: can be Cominga Jordan poole wore out veteran. Players SO
Speaker 1: i AND i love college, basketball AND i was always
Speaker 1: MORE nba than college because for a lot of, REASONS
Speaker 1: i grew up With Bill walton and The blazers and
Speaker 1: The sonics when they won championships in the. Seventies i'm
Speaker 1: showing my, age BUT i will say though Those Christian
Speaker 1: Latner duke, teams The fab five, teams the Five Slama,
Speaker 1: jama it is impossible to describe to a twenty year
Speaker 1: old what college basketball was like thirty five years. Ago
Speaker 1: you would literally you could pick Up street And smith
Speaker 1: and you could name the, first, second and third Team
Speaker 1: All americans off the top of your head because it
Speaker 1: Was duncan's coming back and. EWING i can remember going
Speaker 1: In Las. Vegas there's a grocery store chain Called, smith's
Speaker 1: and this is like twenty years, ago AND i got
Speaker 1: this BECAUSE i always get a street In smith like
Speaker 1: before the college basketball, season AND i looked on the
Speaker 1: cover they had The All american team and it was
Speaker 1: four High. SCORORERS i was, like, OKAY i Can't i'm,
Speaker 1: SORRY i can't do. It SO i just, THOUGHT i Just,
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