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Speaker 2: Welcome back.

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Speaker 3: All the smoke currently under new management. God damn right.

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Speaker 3: We work for ourselves now.

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Speaker 4: My collar off, I done popped it last couple of

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Speaker 4: days off. Yeah, I'm gonna keep this one on it.

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Speaker 3: I like that you got on l V. Yes, sir,

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Speaker 3: you know it. Man, we got a man one of

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Speaker 3: the greatest to ever do it today. But I'm gonna

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Speaker 3: go ahead and let you introduced since you're a boxing guy.

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Speaker 4: Oh man, Well, it's somebody who is definitely a legend.

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Speaker 4: We've had boxes like Roy Jones, Tank Spence, Al Spence,

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Speaker 4: Charloe Ron gonna say everybody speak highly of them, look

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Speaker 4: up to him and admire him.

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Speaker 2: Somebody that they try to pattern their careers after.

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Speaker 4: Five time world champion, Hall of Famer s og the

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Speaker 4: legend Andre Watt, Sir, Welcome to the show, bro.

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Speaker 5: Happy to be on with y'all.

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Speaker 3: Man, honor to have yes, sir, congratulations. Book inspired memoir

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Speaker 3: Killing the Image about your incredible boxing journey and life

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Speaker 3: outside of the ring. Can you speak to why you

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Speaker 3: felt it was time to write this and share your

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Man, it's a time and the place for everything and

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Speaker 5: you don't always know, you know, when that exact time is.

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Speaker 5: But I always knew I was gonna tell my story

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Speaker 5: one day, you know, even when I was young in

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Speaker 5: the game nineteen two, I knew, like, man, I don't

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Speaker 5: want to give everything to the media, and I don't

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Speaker 5: want to try to, you know, promote my fights through

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Speaker 5: my family trauma, our struggles, and it's you know, it's

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Speaker 5: a give and take with that, and it's pros and cons.

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Speaker 5: Some people may say, well, you know, if you'd did more,

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Speaker 5: you would have been more relatable. It's like maybe, but

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Speaker 5: that stuff was like very dear to me and very

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Speaker 5: Not my mother wasn't ready to talk about that stuff.

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Speaker 5: My father had passed, and I for sure wasn't ready

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Speaker 5: to talk about it. So as I started progressing throughout

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Speaker 5: pitch this book. And I thought I was ready to

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Speaker 5: write it six seven years ago. But y'all know, being

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Speaker 5: in media and taking on these projects, it's a process.

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Speaker 5: So it popped off. When it popped off, the doc

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Speaker 3: Do you have a favorite or most meaningful chapter or

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Speaker 5: I really love talking about my childhood and the good

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Speaker 5: it's a chapter in a book called A Champion Is Born,

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Speaker 5: and that's a story about me and my father watching

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Speaker 5: George for Mean and Michael Moore. You know, Michael Moore

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Speaker 5: my dad was a big George Foreman fan, and I

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Speaker 5: Man, this was like eighteen years old, eighteen nineteen years old.

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Speaker 5: It's just different, slightly different culture, same culture, but different.

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Speaker 3: Talk to us about your upbringing, young Dre before you

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Speaker 5: Man, I really had normal childhood in some respects. And

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Speaker 5: Very beneficial because you know, I have a tendency to

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Speaker 3: Do you feel like opening up and sharing some of

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Speaker 5: Yes, for sure. Yeah. Yeah, cause I had to overcome

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Speaker 5: It's just not who you've always been. And I had

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Speaker 4: I think that's why it's even more important to have

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Speaker 4: Yeah, right, So that's the only person that you should

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Speaker 4: So I'm fine with that, you know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 5: Now that's real, and I feel so strong about what

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Speaker 5: I believe because I know me, I'm not the type

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Speaker 5: I can't deny it. I don't know everything about the word.

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Speaker 5: I'm a youth pastor. I'm still growing. I don't know everything.

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Speaker 5: Throughout a twenty year career. Did I do everything right?

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Speaker 5: He said that that's my special that's what I do.

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Speaker 5: I didn't know him at all. I had, you know,

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Speaker 5: He was the house training. Verse just happened to be

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Speaker 3: Two, and he stepped right in and stepped up.

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Speaker 5: And Verge grew up in West Oakland. He knew how

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Speaker 5: He was twenty years as a probation officer, and he

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Speaker 2: Man?

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Speaker 5: I'm trying to do my thing. And but if I

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Speaker 4: What would you say besides him being the you know,

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Speaker 2: That major a great pair.

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Speaker 5: I just liked how how he thought. I liked how

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Speaker 5: I'm already like I'm very much in my head and

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Speaker 5: I'm very competitive and I don't like to lose. So

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Speaker 5: I don't need that drive and I don't mind working hard.

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Speaker 5: I need you to remind me of who I am

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Speaker 5: at certain moments. Remind me while we here and you know,

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Speaker 3: Why we're here.

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Speaker 5: He don't know what he getting into, but we finish

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Speaker 5: showing him. That's the kind of stuff that Vergil do.

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Speaker 5: He just knew how to push them certain buttons, and

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Speaker 4: You've been in a Hall of fame, and just to

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Speaker 5: Man, I honestly think you got to have more than that.

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Speaker 5: To survive at the highest level, you gotta have Sometimes

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Speaker 5: father figure. Sometimes he's a brother. Because it's so many

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Speaker 5: stuff you're dealing with in life. Then when you get

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Speaker 5: beyond just a fighter like I couldn't imagine having just

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Speaker 5: you just sparred twelve rounds a day. We got three

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Speaker 2: You good?

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Speaker 5: I'm not good?

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Speaker 6: Man?

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Speaker 5: You a head case?

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Speaker 3: May you trip it?

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Speaker 5: I needed that. I needed him to talk to me

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Speaker 5: that way and be that father, figured that brother and

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Speaker 2: Because we can be our worst enemy at times.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I needed that. I needed that because, you know,

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Speaker 5: if it's not under control, it cannot be good, you know,

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Speaker 5: because it's an unusual type of drive. And New York

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Speaker 5: realized who I hadn't lost since I Man, I've been

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Speaker 5: been like fourteen years old, all throughout Nationals, Olympics. That's

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Speaker 5: But Verge is always there to talk to me. How

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Speaker 5: to talk to that kid in me, even in my

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Speaker 5: and I would always respond man. So it was much

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Speaker 4: I see a lot of the coaches, coaches and trainings

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Speaker 5: Now, I'm not one that says it can't work, It's

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Speaker 2: It got to be rare like Boots and Bozie something

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and I think I think. I think Bill is

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Speaker 5: doing a good job with Devin. It's tough because you

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Speaker 5: know a lot of times fathers many they as a father,

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Speaker 5: son because he's paying you. But I'm still your father. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: and you got to know when to be dad, and

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Speaker 5: you gotta know when to be training. And you also

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Speaker 5: can't live through your son. That's your baby. I don't

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Speaker 5: that's your son. And when you when y'all get in

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Speaker 5: remember that. For the sons, they got to know when

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Speaker 5: me the right thing. But when they say no, that

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Speaker 5: That that's that's hard for trainers and uh, for sons

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Speaker 2: Who did you idolize in boxing? Coming up? Man?

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Speaker 5: My big three was you know, Roy, Hollins, be Hop,

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Speaker 3: He was.

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Speaker 5: He was a country boy with swag though it was

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Speaker 5: I liked his accent, I liked his fighting style and

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Speaker 5: And you know with be Hop, identify with be Hop

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Speaker 5: that's boison, he'll get at He'll get at you for

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Speaker 5: red meat like he was that way, you know what

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Speaker 5: shouldn't beat. And with Floyd, his work ethic, Floyd, we know,

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Speaker 5: you know Floyd got you know, Floyd got the money

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Speaker 5: he got, he got the big whips, he got the

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Speaker 5: big houses, but he worked like he was broke still

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Speaker 5: to this day, even more exhibitions. I took something from

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Speaker 2: How would you describe your style of fighting?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't have one. And whatever I need to

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Speaker 5: be that day to win tonight, I may need to

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Speaker 5: make it ugly. We hey, I may need to let

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Speaker 5: you feel my physical strength. Let you know I'm not

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Speaker 5: sock kre Beacon. It may be a night when I

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Speaker 5: fight Michael Kessel for my first title fight. I'm an

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Speaker 5: outbox you bro. You got a European style, you straight

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Speaker 5: up and down, no special effects, and I'm gonna let

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Speaker 5: Alan Green, where I gotta go in there and make

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Speaker 5: it inside game. You've seen a different side. So it's

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Speaker 5: like Bruce Lee said, I was formless. I'm what I

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Speaker 5: style at some point I get exploited because they watching

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Speaker 5: I can ill afford to have a bad night. So

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Speaker 5: I got to figure it out. So I didn't really

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Speaker 3: No one else can help you. How do you have you?

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00:18:50,200 --> 00:18:51,680
Speaker 3: Have you ever gone into a fight like damn? I

437
00:18:51,720 --> 00:18:53,640
Speaker 3: don't feel like I have it. Stipend obviously been able

438
00:18:53,640 --> 00:18:54,120
Speaker 3: to pull it out.

439
00:18:54,160 --> 00:18:55,280
Speaker 5: I had a handful of those.

440
00:18:55,320 --> 00:18:56,919
Speaker 3: I had you one with a messed up hand, with

441
00:18:56,960 --> 00:18:58,639
Speaker 3: a broken hand right.

442
00:18:58,640 --> 00:19:01,840
Speaker 5: Me and Carl Froch. Physically, I felt good. I just

443
00:19:01,880 --> 00:19:03,800
Speaker 5: had you know, I hurt my hand and I knew

444
00:19:03,840 --> 00:19:06,680
Speaker 5: it was bad, and that was one night.

445
00:19:06,800 --> 00:19:08,679
Speaker 2: But you knew that before getting in the ring and

446
00:19:08,760 --> 00:19:09,479
Speaker 2: still winning there.

447
00:19:09,680 --> 00:19:16,479
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I don't have no guaranteed contract. Yeah yeah,

448
00:19:16,560 --> 00:19:18,600
Speaker 5: I eat what I killed. I gotta go in there.

449
00:19:19,480 --> 00:19:22,359
Speaker 5: If I don't work, I don't eat. And we already

450
00:19:22,400 --> 00:19:24,240
Speaker 5: the week of the fight too, so it's like, what

451
00:19:24,280 --> 00:19:26,640
Speaker 5: you're gonna do? We already here on the East Coast

452
00:19:26,640 --> 00:19:28,399
Speaker 5: were a couple of days out, so I had to

453
00:19:28,440 --> 00:19:31,720
Speaker 5: take that when I fought Coble, same thing Tod my

454
00:19:31,760 --> 00:19:35,080
Speaker 5: ACM in two thousand and eight, and just the training,

455
00:19:35,160 --> 00:19:37,359
Speaker 5: the running, the sparring, all the stuff that I did,

456
00:19:37,600 --> 00:19:40,840
Speaker 5: it slowly start getting worse. That was the worst training

457
00:19:40,880 --> 00:19:42,960
Speaker 5: camp I ever had. The whole camp. I'm stopping and

458
00:19:43,000 --> 00:19:44,720
Speaker 5: going stopping and going shut out, shut out. Should I

459
00:19:44,720 --> 00:19:46,640
Speaker 5: pull out of the fight? I was telling me, Man,

460
00:19:46,680 --> 00:19:49,040
Speaker 5: God got you. There's gonna be some adversity, but you're

461
00:19:49,040 --> 00:19:51,439
Speaker 5: gonna be all right. I got my lawyer and my

462
00:19:51,480 --> 00:19:53,439
Speaker 5: brother Josh Duben said, Bro, you can't go into the

463
00:19:53,480 --> 00:19:56,040
Speaker 5: fight like this. Jay my manager, he like, Jay, you know,

464
00:19:56,119 --> 00:19:57,800
Speaker 5: Jay like, well, let's just wait and see, let's hold

465
00:19:57,840 --> 00:20:01,040
Speaker 5: on to see. Jay thinking the business side, because you know,

466
00:20:01,160 --> 00:20:03,960
Speaker 5: we had just got in business with Rock Nation. It's

467
00:20:03,960 --> 00:20:06,040
Speaker 5: the first big fight. We don't want to pull out

468
00:20:06,040 --> 00:20:09,640
Speaker 5: and send that kind of message. So it was a very,

469
00:20:09,760 --> 00:20:12,480
Speaker 5: very very difficult situation. I'm finding the most dangerous man

470
00:20:12,760 --> 00:20:15,000
Speaker 5: probably in the game at that time. I'm at my

471
00:20:15,040 --> 00:20:17,800
Speaker 5: rented house two hours before we getting ready to go

472
00:20:17,840 --> 00:20:20,080
Speaker 5: to the arena, and I'm looking at this doctor Drane

473
00:20:20,080 --> 00:20:24,400
Speaker 5: Flewid on my knee, and I'm in disbelief, like, man,

474
00:20:24,480 --> 00:20:26,840
Speaker 5: you like I couldn't believe. It's like it's almost like

475
00:20:26,840 --> 00:20:28,479
Speaker 5: a dream, Like, man, this is really happening. Like I'm

476
00:20:28,480 --> 00:20:31,120
Speaker 5: really gonna fight this dude with one one good leg.

477
00:20:32,160 --> 00:20:34,760
Speaker 5: But I'm not gonna say I'm built different and nothing

478
00:20:34,800 --> 00:20:38,600
Speaker 5: like that. Man. I just I just got a certain mindset, man.

479
00:20:38,640 --> 00:20:41,040
Speaker 5: I just like, I'm gonna bring it and you might

480
00:20:41,080 --> 00:20:42,800
Speaker 5: get me, but it's not gonna be easy. That's just

481
00:20:42,840 --> 00:20:45,480
Speaker 5: my mindset. I'm not always gonna look great, I'm not

482
00:20:45,480 --> 00:20:47,680
Speaker 5: always gonna feel great. But if you beat me, you're

483
00:20:47,680 --> 00:20:50,040
Speaker 5: gonna be a good man, because I'm coming ready, even

484
00:20:50,040 --> 00:20:51,200
Speaker 5: if I don't feel one hundred percent.

485
00:20:51,480 --> 00:20:54,800
Speaker 4: What's your take on the way young boxes these days

486
00:20:54,840 --> 00:20:59,080
Speaker 4: taking criticism because, like, especially with social media being so

487
00:20:59,280 --> 00:21:04,200
Speaker 4: and everybody having opinion, like y'all was criticized, Mike Tyson

488
00:21:04,280 --> 00:21:06,560
Speaker 4: was criticized more than anybody, But.

489
00:21:06,760 --> 00:21:08,800
Speaker 2: Y'all they dealt with a different way and not like

490
00:21:08,840 --> 00:21:09,639
Speaker 2: it's perfect example.

491
00:21:09,760 --> 00:21:13,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's people that be at the fights that y'all

492
00:21:13,000 --> 00:21:15,840
Speaker 4: see every day. The commentators who y'all have no relationship

493
00:21:15,840 --> 00:21:18,840
Speaker 4: with that's say worse things. But you're gonna see somebody

494
00:21:18,840 --> 00:21:21,359
Speaker 4: who have to say the same thing they say, but

495
00:21:21,440 --> 00:21:23,359
Speaker 4: you have a relationship with them and you take it

496
00:21:23,359 --> 00:21:25,199
Speaker 4: a different way. Why why is it not taking the

497
00:21:25,200 --> 00:21:27,160
Speaker 4: same way from the same you know, from when it's

498
00:21:27,160 --> 00:21:28,560
Speaker 4: been said about the same people, the same thing been

499
00:21:28,560 --> 00:21:29,359
Speaker 4: say about different people.

500
00:21:29,400 --> 00:21:31,639
Speaker 5: I think for the youngsters, man, I think they expect

501
00:21:31,680 --> 00:21:35,200
Speaker 5: that from the boxing media. But people outside the boxing media,

502
00:21:35,680 --> 00:21:39,080
Speaker 5: they got respect for they and they like not you too, right,

503
00:21:39,720 --> 00:21:42,560
Speaker 5: not you like you can call me with that, like

504
00:21:42,560 --> 00:21:44,720
Speaker 5: while you get online. I think that's a lot of

505
00:21:44,760 --> 00:21:47,159
Speaker 5: the mindset. Yeah, it's rough, bro, it's rough out here

506
00:21:47,160 --> 00:21:51,280
Speaker 5: in the social media streets, man, because you gotta really

507
00:21:51,280 --> 00:21:54,400
Speaker 5: be strong. You gotta really be strong because you got

508
00:21:54,520 --> 00:21:56,160
Speaker 5: you got random people, and you got people.

509
00:21:56,200 --> 00:21:56,359
Speaker 3: You know.

510
00:21:56,640 --> 00:21:59,120
Speaker 5: It's harder now, it's harder, bro, you know what I'm saying.

511
00:21:59,119 --> 00:22:03,000
Speaker 4: We we was get criticized really just basically off our

512
00:22:03,119 --> 00:22:04,159
Speaker 4: game to what we're playing now.

513
00:22:04,200 --> 00:22:05,399
Speaker 5: I mean, you got to look for it too. You

514
00:22:05,400 --> 00:22:07,399
Speaker 5: gotta read the newspaper. You got it, you know what

515
00:22:07,400 --> 00:22:09,399
Speaker 5: I'm saying. Like, you pick your phone us you ever

516
00:22:09,440 --> 00:22:11,560
Speaker 5: a bad game or a bad fight. You see all

517
00:22:11,600 --> 00:22:14,359
Speaker 5: the mentions one hundred fifty fifty men, you already know

518
00:22:14,440 --> 00:22:16,920
Speaker 5: what time it is. You click that mention its own

519
00:22:17,160 --> 00:22:20,840
Speaker 5: just that quick. It's hard, right, you have to pick

520
00:22:20,920 --> 00:22:21,520
Speaker 5: up the paper.

521
00:22:21,760 --> 00:22:22,280
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.

522
00:22:22,320 --> 00:22:24,800
Speaker 5: It's different, So it's not easy for the youngsters, man,

523
00:22:24,880 --> 00:22:28,040
Speaker 5: But it's also it's also a necessary evil though, And

524
00:22:28,080 --> 00:22:31,320
Speaker 5: I say that because you can't always like you need

525
00:22:31,359 --> 00:22:33,800
Speaker 5: some people that's that element is good for you.

526
00:22:34,320 --> 00:22:35,920
Speaker 2: Only talk about you because it's great though.

527
00:22:35,800 --> 00:22:39,040
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's good for you. Keep you humble, right, any

528
00:22:39,080 --> 00:22:40,919
Speaker 5: part of it, and it keeps you. It keeps you grinding.

529
00:22:41,000 --> 00:22:43,119
Speaker 5: Like as a fight, it's not normal to getting a

530
00:22:43,200 --> 00:22:44,879
Speaker 5: ring with another man with eight downs and ten do

531
00:22:44,880 --> 00:22:47,520
Speaker 5: houns gloves on and fight in front of the whole

532
00:22:47,520 --> 00:22:50,359
Speaker 5: world like it's normal because you grew up doing it,

533
00:22:50,359 --> 00:22:52,960
Speaker 5: But it's really not normal. You got to keep having

534
00:22:53,000 --> 00:22:55,120
Speaker 5: reasons why you're doing this. So at first, I don't

535
00:22:55,119 --> 00:22:56,640
Speaker 5: want to be a champion when you got that. Now

536
00:22:56,920 --> 00:22:58,439
Speaker 5: I don't want to make money. Well you got a

537
00:22:58,440 --> 00:23:01,280
Speaker 5: few ms now now with your So I'm not saying

538
00:23:01,760 --> 00:23:03,919
Speaker 5: you give a bunch of people credit, right because I

539
00:23:03,960 --> 00:23:05,600
Speaker 5: evolved into that. At first it's like I'm gonna prove

540
00:23:05,680 --> 00:23:08,199
Speaker 5: y'all wrong. Then I evolved into the people that's been

541
00:23:08,280 --> 00:23:09,920
Speaker 5: rocking with me. I'm gonna prove y'all right, y'all gonna

542
00:23:09,920 --> 00:23:12,680
Speaker 5: be wrong just by default. But you got to keep

543
00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:15,280
Speaker 5: as your career evolves, why do you do this?

544
00:23:15,920 --> 00:23:16,840
Speaker 3: What are your reasons?

545
00:23:17,280 --> 00:23:19,880
Speaker 5: And getting that backlash when you have a bad night

546
00:23:20,320 --> 00:23:22,879
Speaker 5: is just a good reminder. They don't love me. No,

547
00:23:23,400 --> 00:23:25,639
Speaker 5: this is a business. Let me let me treat it

548
00:23:25,680 --> 00:23:27,800
Speaker 5: as such and not let me get to I can't

549
00:23:27,840 --> 00:23:29,120
Speaker 5: romance the game too much.

550
00:23:29,560 --> 00:23:32,840
Speaker 4: But you also got people that know you're better than

551
00:23:32,880 --> 00:23:35,119
Speaker 4: your performance too sure, that really supports you, and that

552
00:23:35,200 --> 00:23:36,120
Speaker 4: want to see you reaching for.

553
00:23:36,320 --> 00:23:37,879
Speaker 5: The got to be able to take that on it exactly.

554
00:23:37,920 --> 00:23:41,359
Speaker 4: That's that's my point. Everybody that's talking about you not

555
00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:41,760
Speaker 4: saying it.

556
00:23:41,680 --> 00:23:43,200
Speaker 2: To the mean you. They want. They want to see

557
00:23:43,240 --> 00:23:44,960
Speaker 2: you do better and know you have better in you.

558
00:23:45,280 --> 00:23:48,359
Speaker 4: And I take that ship to heart because the stuff

559
00:23:48,359 --> 00:23:50,119
Speaker 4: they said about me and a brawl when I was,

560
00:23:50,440 --> 00:23:53,240
Speaker 4: about the person I was when that shit happened. It

561
00:23:53,280 --> 00:23:55,560
Speaker 4: feels good for me today to sit here today and

562
00:23:55,760 --> 00:23:58,520
Speaker 4: looking at these people knowing that they're wrong, totally wrong,

563
00:23:58,640 --> 00:23:59,240
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying.

564
00:23:59,359 --> 00:23:59,959
Speaker 2: So that's what I'm say.

565
00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:01,760
Speaker 4: He got people have They have to learn how to

566
00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:04,000
Speaker 4: use that shit as ammunition, you know what I'm saying,

567
00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:04,840
Speaker 4: Because they gonna.

568
00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:05,600
Speaker 2: Talk about you regardless.

569
00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:07,800
Speaker 4: But I love people talking about me because I'm doing

570
00:24:07,840 --> 00:24:10,080
Speaker 4: something great they ain't talk about nobody ain't doing shit.

571
00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:11,840
Speaker 2: So you got to know how to use both of you,

572
00:24:11,880 --> 00:24:13,240
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying. I'm the master at that.

573
00:24:13,560 --> 00:24:15,560
Speaker 4: I'm the master at that because I love people said

574
00:24:15,560 --> 00:24:18,240
Speaker 4: the worst things about me, and I probably got some

575
00:24:18,280 --> 00:24:19,320
Speaker 4: of that shit tattooed on you.

576
00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:20,640
Speaker 3: Something it's true.

577
00:24:20,800 --> 00:24:23,000
Speaker 2: Some of it is true.

578
00:24:23,800 --> 00:24:26,280
Speaker 3: Runner.

579
00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:34,720
Speaker 4: You spent your majority of your career cleaning out the

580
00:24:34,760 --> 00:24:37,600
Speaker 4: super super middleweight division hundred and sixth They then you

581
00:24:37,640 --> 00:24:40,760
Speaker 4: became the king of the lightweight division, like heavyweight streaming

582
00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:42,120
Speaker 4: like heavyweight one seventy five.

583
00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:44,159
Speaker 2: A story career.

584
00:24:44,800 --> 00:24:46,920
Speaker 4: Uh, let's go through a little bit of Michael Kessler

585
00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:50,440
Speaker 4: into the Super six tournament. That was special. I wish

586
00:24:50,440 --> 00:24:52,679
Speaker 4: they would do that again. Talk about your experience that

587
00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:54,520
Speaker 4: Super six Tournament moment.

588
00:24:54,680 --> 00:24:56,439
Speaker 5: I had to really be who I said. I enjoyed

589
00:24:56,480 --> 00:24:59,600
Speaker 5: that I got thrown into the deep man, I I was.

590
00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:01,000
Speaker 5: I was talking in the in the in the in

591
00:25:01,040 --> 00:25:03,119
Speaker 5: the water. It was up to my you know, my waist,

592
00:25:03,800 --> 00:25:05,280
Speaker 5: and then they took me out the pool and threw

593
00:25:05,280 --> 00:25:05,919
Speaker 5: me in the deep end.

594
00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:07,919
Speaker 2: That was the coming out party. It had to be.

595
00:25:08,080 --> 00:25:08,280
Speaker 3: Yeah.

596
00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:10,159
Speaker 5: What I mean by that is if I don't perform,

597
00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:12,240
Speaker 5: I'm a sink. It's gonna get ugly. I was in

598
00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:14,080
Speaker 5: there with all the dogs in the in the division,

599
00:25:14,119 --> 00:25:18,680
Speaker 5: So yeah, sinker swim moment Man. One of the hardest

600
00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:19,560
Speaker 5: punches I ever fought.

601
00:25:19,880 --> 00:25:22,040
Speaker 2: Really yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.

602
00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:23,480
Speaker 5: One of the hardest punch I ever fought. Hit me

603
00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:26,320
Speaker 5: the jaz just one jazz straight shot in the first

604
00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:29,760
Speaker 5: one Bio. I said, everything they said about that power

605
00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:32,119
Speaker 5: is real, and I don't want to get hit with

606
00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:37,040
Speaker 5: that again. I start boxing, boxing, beautiful, beautiful fight that night.

607
00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:40,040
Speaker 5: I can't let you hit me with that again. I

608
00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:40,439
Speaker 5: felt it.

609
00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:43,280
Speaker 4: That's the part of the first round. Everybody ain't got that. Yeah,

610
00:25:43,359 --> 00:25:44,720
Speaker 4: everybody can't change up like that.

611
00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:46,600
Speaker 5: Yeah, because that's one of them. You know what I'm saying,

612
00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:49,000
Speaker 5: that's one of them. You could easy going to self

613
00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:52,199
Speaker 5: preservation mode quick and be like bro. You know so

614
00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:54,720
Speaker 5: I was smarter, but I was still trying to get

615
00:25:54,760 --> 00:25:55,040
Speaker 5: mine on.

616
00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:58,239
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's the difference between going to survival mode. But

617
00:25:58,320 --> 00:26:01,080
Speaker 4: you you you were still fight. Yeah, you knew not

618
00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:02,439
Speaker 4: to take a points, but you still was engaged.

619
00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:02,560
Speaker 3: Ye.

620
00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:03,320
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm trying to win.

621
00:26:03,560 --> 00:26:04,200
Speaker 3: Yeah.

622
00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:05,520
Speaker 5: When I said I'm trying to win, I'm trying to

623
00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:09,439
Speaker 5: win bad Chad Dawson Man. I got a lot of

624
00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:11,639
Speaker 5: respect for Chad Man and I feel bad about that

625
00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:14,480
Speaker 5: fight to this day. Yeah, I feel bad about that fight.

626
00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:18,000
Speaker 2: You had to do that to him. I had to

627
00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:18,480
Speaker 2: to do that.

628
00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:21,040
Speaker 5: He said my name. But I feel bad because he

629
00:26:21,119 --> 00:26:24,560
Speaker 5: got tricked. Gary Shaw's promoter. I'm sitting there watching a

630
00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:27,240
Speaker 5: fight with him and Bernard Hopkins the second one, and

631
00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:29,800
Speaker 5: like me and Chad wasn't close, but like I watched

632
00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:32,080
Speaker 5: him from a distance. James Prince was was both of

633
00:26:32,119 --> 00:26:34,960
Speaker 5: our managers, and I respected his fight game. You know,

634
00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:37,280
Speaker 5: I'm like, man, I like Chad was not think. Chad

635
00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:38,840
Speaker 5: was not on my radar. And I'm sitting there with

636
00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:41,520
Speaker 5: my wife and he beat Bernard Hopkins the second time

637
00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:46,080
Speaker 5: and Max Kellerman, who you want to fight next? I

638
00:26:46,119 --> 00:26:48,399
Speaker 5: want to fight Water. I fight him at one sixty eight,

639
00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:51,199
Speaker 5: one seventy five and I come to Oakland. Looked at

640
00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:55,200
Speaker 5: my wife, I said, what I hear? Jay like Jason, Yeah,

641
00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:55,960
Speaker 5: I heard it.

642
00:26:56,600 --> 00:26:58,239
Speaker 3: We're gonna hold the time too.

643
00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:02,359
Speaker 5: But he's a prime example about why you gotta be

644
00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:07,359
Speaker 5: you gotta think man. He was so eager and he

645
00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:10,440
Speaker 5: said my name. His promoter, Gary Shaw at that time,

646
00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:16,000
Speaker 5: leaned in, call our ward bad mistake, bro number one.

647
00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:18,720
Speaker 5: That's cool. If you feel like you want to fight me,

648
00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:21,720
Speaker 5: the best should want to fight the best, and I

649
00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:23,240
Speaker 5: was at the top at that time in my weight

650
00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:24,920
Speaker 5: class and he had just beat but now the second

651
00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:27,879
Speaker 5: time he was at the top. But dude, you negotiated

652
00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:32,520
Speaker 5: the whole fight on HBO and we held him to everything,

653
00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:39,400
Speaker 5: so I knew he gonna be weight drained coming down right.

654
00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:41,560
Speaker 5: But I'm also not gonna give you a pass either.

655
00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:45,360
Speaker 5: And that's probably one of the best camps I ever had,

656
00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:47,760
Speaker 5: because I had to come right with Chad. He was

657
00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:50,840
Speaker 5: that good. And I talk about this in the book.

658
00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:54,720
Speaker 5: Probably like three weeks before the fight, Verse called me

659
00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:57,159
Speaker 5: to his house. We had a two like two houses

660
00:27:57,200 --> 00:27:59,520
Speaker 5: side by side in training camp. He said, hey, man,

661
00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:01,880
Speaker 5: I just got the one with James Prince. He said,

662
00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:04,960
Speaker 5: Chad got knocked out and sparing, I said, knocked out.

663
00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:06,520
Speaker 5: But so he got knocked out by one of one

664
00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:09,720
Speaker 5: of my old opponents, Edison Miranda Edison. If he can't

665
00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:13,520
Speaker 5: do nothing else, he can crack. And first thing, I'm thinking,

666
00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:16,040
Speaker 5: they gonna they're gonna they gonna cancel the fight. He said, no,

667
00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:18,000
Speaker 5: they trying to get it together. They're not gonna care.

668
00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:21,040
Speaker 5: We had spies everywhere. Man, when I'm fighting everywhere, we

669
00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:24,520
Speaker 5: knew everything. I knew the days he took off. I

670
00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:26,200
Speaker 5: knew the good days he had and spared. I knew

671
00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:28,360
Speaker 5: the bad days he had. So I thought the fighter

672
00:28:28,359 --> 00:28:30,280
Speaker 5: was gonna get canceled. He said, it's not gonna get canceled.

673
00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:33,840
Speaker 5: I didn't say nothing the whole three weeks. It didn't

674
00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:36,560
Speaker 5: leak nothing. The whole week of the fight. We seeing

675
00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:41,640
Speaker 5: each other press conference here there, and at the way

676
00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:44,600
Speaker 5: end we faced the face. I still didn't say nothing.

677
00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:49,440
Speaker 5: To that moment, my team John, his team John. I

678
00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:52,080
Speaker 5: looked at him, so we looking at each other. I

679
00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:55,240
Speaker 5: leaned in. I said, hey, bro, I heard what happened

680
00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:58,280
Speaker 5: in training camp. You better tighten it up tomorrow night.

681
00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:03,760
Speaker 5: And I leaned back. That boy said his whole face dropped,

682
00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:08,480
Speaker 5: shoulders slump. The fight was one right there, damn done.

683
00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:11,000
Speaker 5: All I got to do is execute tomorrow. The life

684
00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:15,240
Speaker 5: went out of his body, like, oh you knew that, checkmate.

685
00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:17,320
Speaker 5: And then I went there the night of the fight

686
00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:18,240
Speaker 5: and took care of my business.

687
00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:20,760
Speaker 3: But you know who did that. Tain't did the same

688
00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:21,360
Speaker 3: thing to Ryan.

689
00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:25,400
Speaker 4: Remember that he told him about his real the day

690
00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:26,040
Speaker 4: of the press come.

691
00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:27,880
Speaker 2: He told him right up there, I heard you got knocked.

692
00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:29,239
Speaker 4: I heard you got knocked out, and heard you got

693
00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:31,880
Speaker 4: a real problem, and he told him and he just

694
00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:33,720
Speaker 4: knocked him out the same punch.

695
00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:36,040
Speaker 5: If your team is not if your team don't have

696
00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:36,960
Speaker 5: feelers out.

697
00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:40,160
Speaker 3: You're working, they're not doing their job. Yeah, speak to

698
00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:44,800
Speaker 3: for the casuals, the importance of that weight dream coming up,

699
00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:47,840
Speaker 3: coming down, and what that means and how you can

700
00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:49,840
Speaker 3: get back to that your weight the day of the fight.

701
00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:51,960
Speaker 4: Like, speak to that and to touch with his question,

702
00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:56,720
Speaker 4: how important those those one seventy five to the weight?

703
00:29:56,720 --> 00:29:58,320
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, the seven pounds in between.

704
00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:00,160
Speaker 5: Like, if you've been at a weight like check dad

705
00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:02,320
Speaker 5: was at one seventy five for a long time. You

706
00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:06,360
Speaker 5: don't come back down. Your body's adjusted, you're getting older,

707
00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:08,640
Speaker 5: you don't. You don't come back then, you just don't.

708
00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:11,080
Speaker 5: He should have made me come up. He should have

709
00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:13,560
Speaker 5: challenged me and say, hey, you're doing your thing in

710
00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:16,120
Speaker 5: one sixty eight, come up to one seventy five. If

711
00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:18,360
Speaker 5: you want to fight a big dog, that's how you

712
00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:19,880
Speaker 5: do it.

713
00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:20,800
Speaker 2: But you don't.

714
00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:22,640
Speaker 5: You don't. Yeah, you don't cut, you don't go down

715
00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:26,160
Speaker 5: and wait. So that's an issue even with Ryan, Like

716
00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:29,680
Speaker 5: if I'm Ryan. I'm not taking that clause, right, If

717
00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:32,720
Speaker 5: I'm tanked, you can't knocking for taking that clause because

718
00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:35,160
Speaker 5: you didn't have to take it. Only think Ryan is

719
00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:37,320
Speaker 5: big of a draws. Tank is Ryan was a big

720
00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:39,840
Speaker 5: draw too. They don't do them numbers if they don't

721
00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:42,480
Speaker 5: have each other. And Ryan should have said, look, bro,

722
00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:46,440
Speaker 5: we're not doing that. That's when you use your social

723
00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:50,080
Speaker 5: media if they doing that in negotiations. Look, bro, I

724
00:30:50,120 --> 00:30:51,360
Speaker 5: want to make the fight, but this is what he's

725
00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:51,760
Speaker 5: trying to do.

726
00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:52,120
Speaker 3: Right.

727
00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:53,680
Speaker 5: He trying to weaken me so and.

728
00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:55,360
Speaker 3: He got that kind of following too to move the

729
00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:56,000
Speaker 3: needle point.

730
00:30:56,480 --> 00:30:59,880
Speaker 5: So him being just overly eager and trying to you know,

731
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:01,560
Speaker 5: be too zealous to make the fight, he took a

732
00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:03,560
Speaker 5: clause and it probably hurt him, but I think it

733
00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:05,520
Speaker 5: would have been the same result without it. You know,

734
00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:08,400
Speaker 5: I like I like Ryan, right, but you know Tank

735
00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:11,120
Speaker 5: is a bad boy. And they talk about the power

736
00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:12,680
Speaker 5: and all of that, but Tank tank doing to set

737
00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:15,640
Speaker 5: that power up very skillful, underrated skills.

738
00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:17,760
Speaker 4: What you walk around at, like when you was fighting,

739
00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:19,800
Speaker 4: what you walk around at. So when I was like,

740
00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:20,960
Speaker 4: when you're not in camp.

741
00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:24,040
Speaker 5: I'll be about ten or fifteen have you over.

742
00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:26,760
Speaker 4: So say you walk around at one sixty eight, but

743
00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:29,280
Speaker 4: you're fighting at one forty seven and you and you

744
00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:31,239
Speaker 4: take and you trained for two years and to keep

745
00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:33,160
Speaker 4: that way down in one forty seven for two years.

746
00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:34,720
Speaker 2: That's not gonna take a toll on your body.

747
00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:37,680
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's gonna start to get you, yeah, for sure. Yeah,

748
00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:39,520
Speaker 5: but it's that's why your team got to know.

749
00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:41,480
Speaker 2: Like, because that's what he did after you. Guys.

750
00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:44,320
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's a it's a it's a it's a misnomer

751
00:31:44,360 --> 00:31:46,040
Speaker 5: in boxing that you know, if a dude has been

752
00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:47,640
Speaker 5: at a weight class for a long time, he's the

753
00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:50,600
Speaker 5: bigger guy. I don't believe that. Yeah, I don't believe that.

754
00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:53,479
Speaker 5: When I went up to one seventy five, Covilev had

755
00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:55,400
Speaker 5: been there, he had a whole career one seventy five

756
00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:57,560
Speaker 5: and I started at one sixty, went to one sixty

757
00:31:57,560 --> 00:32:00,440
Speaker 5: eight and one five. I was the smaller guy on paper,

758
00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:04,160
Speaker 5: but already knew it. I knew your lifestyle, I knew

759
00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:06,560
Speaker 5: how he got down, and I knew that, Bro, you

760
00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:09,160
Speaker 5: struggle to make weight, so you may look bigger, but

761
00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:12,400
Speaker 5: you're not gonna be stronger than me. And when you

762
00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:14,400
Speaker 5: struggle to make weight like that. Right around that fifth

763
00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:15,760
Speaker 5: sixth round you start to feel it. I don't care

764
00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:17,920
Speaker 5: how great to shape you in the body, saying I

765
00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:19,960
Speaker 5: can't this. The boxing is the only sport where you

766
00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:25,320
Speaker 5: drain yourself for three months, crazy right, and then get

767
00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:27,640
Speaker 5: twenty four hours to rehydrate and it go be great

768
00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:30,280
Speaker 5: the next night. Everybody else get to walk around, I mean,

769
00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:32,520
Speaker 5: get to play it. Whatever weight they walk around, it's

770
00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:35,800
Speaker 5: my playing weight either football, basketball. We don't get that opportunity.

771
00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:37,440
Speaker 5: So it's no way you can strip your body down

772
00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:40,000
Speaker 5: covid leb, Ryan Garciia, Chad Dawson and get it back

773
00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:42,280
Speaker 5: in twenty four hours. It's not gonna happen. But guys

774
00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:43,960
Speaker 5: get caught up. And that's the Oh he's bigger than me?

775
00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:44,880
Speaker 5: Is he stronger?

776
00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:45,120
Speaker 3: Though?

777
00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:48,760
Speaker 5: And covid leb wasn't stronger? So yeah, you stay had

778
00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:50,240
Speaker 5: to wait a long time. It's gonna get to you.

779
00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:52,480
Speaker 5: It's even like it's even like Bud and EJ right,

780
00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:55,080
Speaker 5: Like people keep talking about the fifty fourth thing, and

781
00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:57,520
Speaker 5: it's like them moving from one forty seven to one

782
00:32:57,560 --> 00:32:59,720
Speaker 5: to fifty four. And my thing is like you don't

783
00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:03,880
Speaker 5: think be stronger, right, right, This is a two way street, right,

784
00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:07,000
Speaker 5: you're talking about what right?

785
00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:07,400
Speaker 2: Right?

786
00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:11,520
Speaker 5: So they need to move up, but you don't think

787
00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:12,280
Speaker 5: bug gonna.

788
00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:13,920
Speaker 2: Be strong right exactly exactly.

789
00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:16,040
Speaker 5: The gotta help me with that one, yeah, exactly.

790
00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:17,240
Speaker 2: So that's another question.

791
00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:19,240
Speaker 4: When they when they when they have that twenty four

792
00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:22,000
Speaker 4: hours to rehydrate, what do they do because you can't

793
00:33:22,040 --> 00:33:23,760
Speaker 4: eat too much to get too heavy, like you don't

794
00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:26,040
Speaker 4: want to be sluggish, Like, yeah, biggas, So what's so

795
00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:27,640
Speaker 4: what's the best thing y'all do to rehydrate?

796
00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:30,600
Speaker 5: Biggest thing is hydration just drinking. Yeah, you gotta get

797
00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:33,840
Speaker 5: that fluid. You gotta get the fluid in you like that. Yeah,

798
00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:36,120
Speaker 5: some people do that. Yeah, you gotta get the fluid

799
00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:38,280
Speaker 5: in you. And and you also but it's tough because

800
00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:40,280
Speaker 5: it's like it's two things going on. You're hungry, but

801
00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:43,560
Speaker 5: you're really thirsty. You're more you're more parched than anything.

802
00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:46,800
Speaker 5: You're thirsty, and it's hard because you're trying to drink

803
00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:49,280
Speaker 5: the fluids, but then you're also trying to eat. It's

804
00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:51,920
Speaker 5: a tough thing you gotta do. So everybody got their

805
00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:53,880
Speaker 5: own way on how they hydrate. And my thing is

806
00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:55,200
Speaker 5: like get the fluids in me, and then when my

807
00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:57,520
Speaker 5: stomach settle with the fluids after a couple of hours,

808
00:33:57,520 --> 00:33:59,320
Speaker 5: and I get some food in me. And you don't

809
00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:01,080
Speaker 5: want to stuff yourself up, but you gotta eat because

810
00:34:01,320 --> 00:34:03,120
Speaker 5: what you eating on a night, the food you eat

811
00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:04,520
Speaker 5: the night before, that's what you're gonna be fighting on

812
00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:04,959
Speaker 5: the next night.

813
00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:07,040
Speaker 3: I'm gonna read a quote here I consider one of

814
00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:09,120
Speaker 3: the best fighters of all time. He had a sense

815
00:34:09,120 --> 00:34:12,399
Speaker 3: of class about him, which I absolutely loved. He wasn't

816
00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:15,360
Speaker 3: your typical boxer. When you hear that from Michael Jordan,

817
00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:16,439
Speaker 3: what does that make you think?

818
00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:20,520
Speaker 5: Man, that's big. Anything coming from Mike, that's Mike. You know,

819
00:34:20,640 --> 00:34:23,279
Speaker 5: Mike don't comment on everybody, so you know, and that's

820
00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:24,920
Speaker 5: one of the reasons why you signed me, and Mike

821
00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:28,440
Speaker 5: don't sign everybody. So it's big, man. I appreciate it,

822
00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:31,080
Speaker 5: and I'm comfortable, man, with the legacy I left, you know,

823
00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:34,840
Speaker 5: in the ring. Absolutely, if they would have called me

824
00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:36,719
Speaker 5: a couple of years before, they probably would have got

825
00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:38,480
Speaker 5: the other guy they was looking for. You know what

826
00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:41,120
Speaker 5: I'm saying right, Yeah, to turn up and all of that,

827
00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:44,359
Speaker 5: they probably would have got that. But you know, for me, Man,

828
00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:47,719
Speaker 5: God had brought me through a lot, and I was

829
00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:50,480
Speaker 5: still changing. Even when I turned I was still in

830
00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:53,480
Speaker 5: the process of becoming you know what I'm saying. And

831
00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:56,839
Speaker 5: I had seen a lot of that stuff growing up,

832
00:34:56,960 --> 00:34:58,799
Speaker 5: you know. And I don't knock nobody in how they

833
00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:01,200
Speaker 5: get down, but for me, I was like, Man, I'm

834
00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:03,520
Speaker 5: a fierce competitor. You're not gonna step on me. And

835
00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:06,319
Speaker 5: no promotion or nothing like that, no press conference, but

836
00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:09,160
Speaker 5: I'm gonna try to do this in a classic way.

837
00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:11,440
Speaker 5: You're gonna you're gonna feel feel my presence, but I'm

838
00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:13,359
Speaker 5: gonna try to do this in a classic way, your way,

839
00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:16,160
Speaker 5: the way I felt like God to do it, because

840
00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:17,400
Speaker 5: at the end of the day, I knew my career

841
00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:19,040
Speaker 5: was gonna be over it at a certain point in time,

842
00:35:19,239 --> 00:35:21,920
Speaker 5: and I'm not trying to build this monster that I

843
00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:23,800
Speaker 5: got to live with now and retire.

844
00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:25,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know what I'm saying.

845
00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:28,520
Speaker 5: I dropped my kids off at school. You know, I'm

846
00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:31,279
Speaker 5: able to still do business. Me You're talking about it

847
00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:34,000
Speaker 5: all the time, doing business and these projects and stuff

848
00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:36,000
Speaker 5: like that. I wanted to have a life outside of

849
00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:37,920
Speaker 5: this sport, and sometimes the sport wants you to crash

850
00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:39,960
Speaker 5: out and they don't care what happens.

851
00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:41,360
Speaker 3: To you after at all at all.

852
00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:44,480
Speaker 5: So I've been able to make a great living outside

853
00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:46,319
Speaker 5: the box and being retired six years now and I

854
00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:49,560
Speaker 5: ain't took it through a punch in six six years.

855
00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:51,160
Speaker 5: That's what that was the goal.

856
00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:53,160
Speaker 3: That was the Jordan.

857
00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:55,359
Speaker 2: Let's talk about jo because I'm on the joy Into.

858
00:35:55,400 --> 00:35:58,640
Speaker 5: But Who's your Reggie was one of my reds Mark Ravelin.

859
00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:00,719
Speaker 4: So for me that was growing up and not being

860
00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:02,839
Speaker 4: able to afford them and have been sponsored by Jordan.

861
00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:04,319
Speaker 2: That was the best feeling, one of the best ones

862
00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:07,160
Speaker 2: I've ever had in life. Man, talk about it, getting

863
00:36:07,160 --> 00:36:09,920
Speaker 2: them boxes, them elite.

864
00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:12,520
Speaker 3: Listen, you still get them?

865
00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:15,239
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, I need to find your repen. I got

866
00:36:15,239 --> 00:36:16,719
Speaker 2: a boxing about four months. Yeah.

867
00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:19,799
Speaker 3: Hey, motherfuckers back Larry.

868
00:36:19,560 --> 00:36:23,600
Speaker 5: Miller, that's my brother. Man. Larry said, Man, you're a

869
00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:26,560
Speaker 5: Jordan athlete for life. I said, Mary, hold you do it.

870
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:29,120
Speaker 2: Always too.

871
00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:32,600
Speaker 5: Yeah, But man, like I don't know what it is

872
00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:36,520
Speaker 5: with me and shoes. Always was a shoe person. I

873
00:36:36,600 --> 00:36:38,680
Speaker 5: look at your shoes first, and I look at everything else.

874
00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:41,600
Speaker 3: You can tell a lot some clean shoes a lot,

875
00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:43,600
Speaker 3: you can tell a lot that I just.

876
00:36:43,640 --> 00:36:45,640
Speaker 5: I used to call my grandmother Grammy, what shoes you

877
00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:48,319
Speaker 5: got on? I just that's how it always was. And

878
00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:49,680
Speaker 5: my dad used to tell me, he said, this boy,

879
00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:51,680
Speaker 5: ever get some money off a whole lot of shoes.

880
00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:54,479
Speaker 4: Dude, and I do clean shoes. It's just like looking

881
00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:58,319
Speaker 4: at the one with Opatow shoes on, he ain't done.

882
00:36:58,800 --> 00:36:59,400
Speaker 3: They beat up.

883
00:36:59,719 --> 00:37:02,200
Speaker 5: That's a lot but that. But that's also the culture

884
00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:05,320
Speaker 5: in the Bay too, like we'll have some some Jordan's

885
00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:07,560
Speaker 5: on and some regular jeans and a white T shirt.

886
00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:10,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, what is your shoes clean? Yeah? You all right?

887
00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:12,480
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's the same way today.

888
00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:14,640
Speaker 3: How did the conversation and the deal come together for

889
00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:17,040
Speaker 3: the Jordan thing? And what was that first conversation with Mike?

890
00:37:17,120 --> 00:37:19,080
Speaker 3: Like did you almost pass out when you met him?

891
00:37:19,160 --> 00:37:19,279
Speaker 2: Man?

892
00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:21,120
Speaker 5: I was, I don't get in. I don't really like

893
00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:23,840
Speaker 5: get in all with a lot of people, and not

894
00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:25,759
Speaker 5: from a disrespectful standpoint. I just you know, it's like

895
00:37:25,880 --> 00:37:26,879
Speaker 5: that's so and so that's cool.

896
00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:28,880
Speaker 3: But Mike is did Mike is different.

897
00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:31,719
Speaker 5: Mike got an r about it, like he not even trying.

898
00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:32,160
Speaker 3: He just might.

899
00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:32,520
Speaker 2: Yeah.

900
00:37:33,640 --> 00:37:35,600
Speaker 5: So they just you know, they had that. I was

901
00:37:35,600 --> 00:37:37,560
Speaker 5: on the radar and it was a lot of you know,

902
00:37:37,600 --> 00:37:39,560
Speaker 5: back and forth and they'll send me a couple of

903
00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:41,600
Speaker 5: boxes and stuff like that. And it was a lot

904
00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:43,040
Speaker 5: of talking. But you know, it's a couple of years

905
00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:44,959
Speaker 5: of that and then then we finally locked in a deal.

906
00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:48,200
Speaker 5: But Mike Man, he got he got all Man, he got,

907
00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:52,080
Speaker 5: he got it. He walk in the room walking right now,

908
00:37:52,080 --> 00:37:52,799
Speaker 5: everything on stop.

909
00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:54,439
Speaker 3: He don't want nothing fake around him.

910
00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:56,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, he don't want no fans when he want everything

911
00:37:56,760 --> 00:37:57,600
Speaker 4: family in genuine.

912
00:37:57,600 --> 00:38:00,160
Speaker 2: He don't want like he a normal dude.

913
00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:03,759
Speaker 5: He talked crazy and he competing to this day, whether

914
00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:05,680
Speaker 5: he golfing, and you know he like to play cars

915
00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:07,359
Speaker 5: and stuff. Man, I got a lot of love from

916
00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:09,080
Speaker 5: Mike Man, a lot of love. When I was getting

917
00:38:09,080 --> 00:38:13,440
Speaker 5: ready to do the documentary, my brother, uh Deontay Thomas

918
00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:15,239
Speaker 5: and we grew up together and he worked with be

919
00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:19,480
Speaker 5: Small Productions, and he was like, Bro, we gotta get Mike. Like, Bro,

920
00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:22,960
Speaker 5: I'm not calling Mike, not doing it. So he was

921
00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:26,160
Speaker 5: going back and forth for weeks and I said, Bro,

922
00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:28,320
Speaker 5: I'm not calling Mike. Bro he said, Bro, just calling

923
00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:30,200
Speaker 5: You gotta be able to do stuff like this if

924
00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:32,560
Speaker 5: we're gonna make this doc do what to do? All right,

925
00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:35,480
Speaker 5: bro call him. So I called Larry Miller. I said,

926
00:38:35,560 --> 00:38:37,400
Speaker 5: Larry Man, look, I know Mike busy. So I did

927
00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:39,359
Speaker 5: that whole thing. He said, let me let me make

928
00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:42,279
Speaker 5: a phone calling and see what's up. He called me

929
00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:44,160
Speaker 5: right back. He said, Mike wants you to call him.

930
00:38:44,680 --> 00:38:46,839
Speaker 5: Head up. So I called him.

931
00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:47,319
Speaker 2: Man.

932
00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:51,000
Speaker 5: We flew out to North Carolina to the facility. We

933
00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:53,520
Speaker 5: knocked it out. That was the easiest interview we did.

934
00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:56,399
Speaker 5: That's how Mike is a last car.

935
00:38:57,719 --> 00:38:59,040
Speaker 3: We still ain't got to sit down with him, but

936
00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:03,359
Speaker 3: that's how he car Like Mike Romos. It's a little different. Yeah,

937
00:39:04,239 --> 00:39:05,879
Speaker 3: we ain't talk to him like that, but we still

938
00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:09,880
Speaker 3: wasn't on the interview. But he said he's with us coming.

939
00:39:10,040 --> 00:39:12,680
Speaker 5: He came this. I called my kids though, So we

940
00:39:12,680 --> 00:39:15,560
Speaker 5: were all in like a boardroom at the facility. He

941
00:39:15,680 --> 00:39:16,920
Speaker 5: come in there scanning shoes.

942
00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:20,560
Speaker 2: You bet not have nothing. You know. I was good,

943
00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:21,920
Speaker 2: You know, I was good, Mike.

944
00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:24,520
Speaker 5: One of my one of my guys had on some Adidas.

945
00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:24,680
Speaker 2: Though.

946
00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:27,800
Speaker 4: You don't care if it's Guccia or whatever. If it

947
00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:29,840
Speaker 4: ain't Jordan, it's not they.

948
00:39:29,560 --> 00:39:32,640
Speaker 5: Take like people that's in that industry. Oh it's serious.

949
00:39:32,680 --> 00:39:33,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, he takes this.

950
00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:34,960
Speaker 5: He came in. What's something about everybody?

951
00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:35,560
Speaker 2: You know? Everybody?

952
00:39:36,680 --> 00:39:40,040
Speaker 5: What's up with your man? I'm like, what you mean?

953
00:39:40,080 --> 00:39:42,480
Speaker 5: I said? But I told you, Bro not to wear them.

954
00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:45,799
Speaker 5: We can get it right, man, But yeah, your boy good,

955
00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:47,880
Speaker 5: but he got he ain't right. He ain't right for that.

956
00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:51,440
Speaker 3: You make him take his shoes off almost damn near Bro.

957
00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:52,680
Speaker 2: We went to NASCAR.

958
00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:57,000
Speaker 3: How the NASCAR team they got them all they won.

959
00:39:57,120 --> 00:39:58,800
Speaker 2: Jordan's about changing tires.

960
00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:01,200
Speaker 5: They take it here, it's crazy take it.

961
00:40:01,280 --> 00:40:04,560
Speaker 3: He take everybody though, that's dope.

962
00:40:04,719 --> 00:40:04,839
Speaker 4: Uh.

963
00:40:05,080 --> 00:40:07,200
Speaker 3: Any truth that he would text you had a fight

964
00:40:07,239 --> 00:40:08,680
Speaker 3: sometimes or before fights.

965
00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:11,280
Speaker 5: He just send me voice memos all that year. Yeah,

966
00:40:11,640 --> 00:40:17,000
Speaker 5: And I'm not comparing myself to Mike, but man, we

967
00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:19,759
Speaker 5: got a lot of the same juice and mentality in

968
00:40:19,840 --> 00:40:22,680
Speaker 5: terms of like it's win or die. It ain't no

969
00:40:22,719 --> 00:40:25,040
Speaker 5: win or lose, win or die period. And people will

970
00:40:25,080 --> 00:40:27,239
Speaker 5: be like, hello, you come on, man, you're taking it

971
00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:30,120
Speaker 5: too far. No, That's how I felt like I used

972
00:40:30,120 --> 00:40:32,399
Speaker 5: to think in training camp on them tough days, like man,

973
00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:35,799
Speaker 5: what Sunday night, late night gonna feel like after this

974
00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:38,839
Speaker 5: fight Sunday morning, when I wake up, I'm thinking about

975
00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:42,000
Speaker 5: looking at my wife and my kids, and I remember

976
00:40:42,040 --> 00:40:44,239
Speaker 5: the last loss I had and what I felt.

977
00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:46,840
Speaker 3: Like you said at fourteen, though, yeah, that's crazy.

978
00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:51,680
Speaker 5: John Reverish from Baton Rouge, Louisiana Country. We was in Lenxic,

979
00:40:51,760 --> 00:40:54,920
Speaker 5: Kansas at the National Silver Gloves Nationals and we in

980
00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:58,480
Speaker 5: opposite brackets fourteen fifteen year old division, so he was fifteen,

981
00:40:58,480 --> 00:41:00,560
Speaker 5: so he's a little bit older. And I'm out boxing

982
00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:03,040
Speaker 5: people doing my thing, and it's three rings, so you

983
00:41:03,120 --> 00:41:04,640
Speaker 5: kind of see like, man, you fighting, but then the

984
00:41:04,719 --> 00:41:06,759
Speaker 5: dude you might fight, he fighting in this ring right after.

985
00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:09,160
Speaker 5: So I'm watching him the whole week and he knocking

986
00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:13,400
Speaker 5: dudes out. Bang bang, they going out, man, And I

987
00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:15,279
Speaker 5: remember seeing him around the hotel. And I didn't tell

988
00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:18,799
Speaker 5: Verge this, but that's the last time I ever got

989
00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:22,960
Speaker 5: intimidated and allowed myself to get beat before I got

990
00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:25,120
Speaker 5: in the ring a mental side and I wasn't spook

991
00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:26,680
Speaker 5: like oh my god, but I was like, well, he

992
00:41:26,760 --> 00:41:29,000
Speaker 5: kind of strong, like I had a little hesitation about me.

993
00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:32,440
Speaker 5: It was a closed decision. Of course, I thought I won.

994
00:41:32,560 --> 00:41:35,680
Speaker 5: I should have got the nod, but deep down I

995
00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:37,919
Speaker 5: knew when I was going home, I'm on the Southwest flight,

996
00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:40,760
Speaker 5: had a whole road on myself, curled up in the ball.

997
00:41:41,640 --> 00:41:43,880
Speaker 5: I remember that. I remember looking at Verge's face and

998
00:41:43,880 --> 00:41:45,960
Speaker 5: looking at my assistant training his face. I remember being

999
00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:48,600
Speaker 5: home that week and ah, man, you lost hunh. I

1000
00:41:48,680 --> 00:41:51,840
Speaker 5: remember that, and I never wanted to feel that again.

1001
00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:54,920
Speaker 5: And I made up my mind that day nobody will

1002
00:41:54,960 --> 00:41:57,040
Speaker 5: ever beat me Before they get in the ring with

1003
00:41:57,040 --> 00:41:59,120
Speaker 5: me again, they gonna have to earn it. I lit

1004
00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:02,040
Speaker 5: your appearing and I let you, being a little older,

1005
00:42:02,080 --> 00:42:04,040
Speaker 5: and the way you was taking care of your business

1006
00:42:04,120 --> 00:42:06,960
Speaker 5: getting me never again, Never again.

1007
00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:10,000
Speaker 3: Favorite J Eleven's for sure.

1008
00:42:10,520 --> 00:42:14,719
Speaker 5: Really, I love eleven guys. I love elevens, but I

1009
00:42:14,760 --> 00:42:16,120
Speaker 5: also love the ones too.

1010
00:42:16,880 --> 00:42:18,200
Speaker 3: He's the first person I heard.

1011
00:42:19,360 --> 00:42:21,000
Speaker 5: I love the ones because I can dress them up

1012
00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:21,440
Speaker 5: and dress them.

1013
00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:25,160
Speaker 2: But you got I'm gonna give you a chance.

1014
00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:26,760
Speaker 3: What's your favorite for?

1015
00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:27,719
Speaker 5: And I love for too.

1016
00:42:29,400 --> 00:42:29,680
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1017
00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:31,279
Speaker 5: I love all the ones I couldn't afford when I

1018
00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:31,640
Speaker 5: was a kid.

1019
00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:33,759
Speaker 3: Yeah you know what I'm saying, Like, I couldn't get there, the.

1020
00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:35,719
Speaker 4: Threes and four us, that's the dope boys growing up,

1021
00:42:35,800 --> 00:42:36,759
Speaker 4: they had them on the block.

1022
00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:37,960
Speaker 3: That's the ones we always wanted.

1023
00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:41,160
Speaker 5: The ones I couldn't afford them the ones I gravitate.

1024
00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:44,080
Speaker 3: To the mom You ever consider using some retros and

1025
00:42:44,239 --> 00:42:46,240
Speaker 3: and and shape them in the boxing shoes?

1026
00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:48,279
Speaker 5: Yeah, I would love to. Man, Like we we took

1027
00:42:48,320 --> 00:42:49,759
Speaker 5: a couple of runs at it with the with the

1028
00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:52,680
Speaker 5: Jordan team, man, and we weren't able to like get

1029
00:42:52,719 --> 00:42:54,640
Speaker 5: something that can go out. But like I got that

1030
00:42:54,719 --> 00:42:57,239
Speaker 5: kind of mind, man, Like, I think about like that

1031
00:42:57,320 --> 00:42:58,880
Speaker 5: kind of stuff all the time because I'm you know,

1032
00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:01,440
Speaker 5: I'm a creative type. And it's a need for that

1033
00:43:01,480 --> 00:43:03,680
Speaker 5: kind of stuff in boxing. Like GE's some shoes out there.

1034
00:43:04,200 --> 00:43:05,839
Speaker 5: Most of them are not great. You got a few

1035
00:43:05,880 --> 00:43:08,600
Speaker 5: that's like they okay, But we need something that's like

1036
00:43:08,719 --> 00:43:12,240
Speaker 5: standing test of time. It's like Roy's uh boxing boot

1037
00:43:12,520 --> 00:43:14,200
Speaker 5: you know that he had with Jordan. That thing lasted

1038
00:43:14,239 --> 00:43:18,120
Speaker 5: over a decade strong And I might be putting something

1039
00:43:18,120 --> 00:43:19,320
Speaker 5: out like that one.

1040
00:43:19,560 --> 00:43:21,480
Speaker 3: Come on, Mike, you hear him quick question?

1041
00:43:21,640 --> 00:43:24,560
Speaker 2: What was what's your relationship with Mantell?

1042
00:43:25,120 --> 00:43:26,200
Speaker 5: I ain't talk to him in years?

1043
00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:28,359
Speaker 4: And man, that's my boy, because when we was playing, yeah,

1044
00:43:28,480 --> 00:43:30,440
Speaker 4: he was going to relationship.

1045
00:43:30,440 --> 00:43:32,279
Speaker 5: We had the same uh, we had the same lawyer

1046
00:43:32,320 --> 00:43:35,120
Speaker 5: at that time, Jeffrey. That's what it was so we connected. Man,

1047
00:43:35,160 --> 00:43:36,640
Speaker 5: that's my boy. Man. He always showed love.

1048
00:43:36,840 --> 00:43:38,879
Speaker 4: Did he ever get involved in boxing, like as far

1049
00:43:38,920 --> 00:43:40,400
Speaker 4: as on the management side of.

1050
00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:42,919
Speaker 5: I don't think so. I think he might have had

1051
00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:44,160
Speaker 5: a young fighter.

1052
00:43:44,160 --> 00:43:45,719
Speaker 4: I don't know if he you know, a kid from

1053
00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:47,560
Speaker 4: d C because I remember one time he stayed here

1054
00:43:47,560 --> 00:43:48,319
Speaker 4: trying to get into it.

1055
00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:50,160
Speaker 5: Yeah, but I don't know if he actually ever did though,

1056
00:43:50,200 --> 00:43:51,480
Speaker 5: But he always showed love. Man.

1057
00:43:51,520 --> 00:43:53,120
Speaker 2: Bro. He's doing great right now.

1058
00:43:53,200 --> 00:43:55,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's in Dallas, great father with his family, his

1059
00:43:56,000 --> 00:43:58,879
Speaker 4: son and his daughter doing great in sports. Yeah, you're

1060
00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:02,080
Speaker 4: doing good right now. Yeah, his soning just like he

1061
00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:04,120
Speaker 4: like him and all that. We don't hear much from

1062
00:44:04,200 --> 00:44:06,040
Speaker 4: you out the way.

1063
00:44:06,160 --> 00:44:06,759
Speaker 2: He don't want to be.

1064
00:44:07,320 --> 00:44:09,239
Speaker 3: He've been trying to get him on the show out

1065
00:44:09,239 --> 00:44:11,279
Speaker 3: the way you look at the message and just talk

1066
00:44:11,320 --> 00:44:15,200
Speaker 3: about something else. Really. Yeah, he don't like to talk. Man.

1067
00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:17,000
Speaker 5: He originally from what Louisiana.

1068
00:44:16,760 --> 00:44:19,680
Speaker 2: Miss Mississippi. But the way, you know, we all have

1069
00:44:19,760 --> 00:44:21,960
Speaker 2: a little especially you know, and he has that right.

1070
00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:25,839
Speaker 4: The way his career ended, the game didn't appreciate him

1071
00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:27,440
Speaker 4: the way they should have on his way out, you

1072
00:44:27,480 --> 00:44:28,879
Speaker 4: know what I'm saying, They kind of pushed him out

1073
00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:29,759
Speaker 4: and treated him.

1074
00:44:29,760 --> 00:44:30,640
Speaker 2: You know, it didn't do it.

1075
00:44:30,640 --> 00:44:32,600
Speaker 4: They didn't game, didn't do him right going out that

1076
00:44:32,719 --> 00:44:34,719
Speaker 4: I can see why he kind of stayed away from stuff.

1077
00:44:34,719 --> 00:44:37,040
Speaker 4: Remember that, you know what I'm saying, because he deserved more.

1078
00:44:38,520 --> 00:44:41,400
Speaker 3: Twenty fourteen, you have an unfortunate setback. You got to

1079
00:44:41,400 --> 00:44:43,360
Speaker 3: sit out a year due to some legal dispute with

1080
00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:46,719
Speaker 3: your promoter, JANKI promoters. Can you share what happened and

1081
00:44:46,719 --> 00:44:49,000
Speaker 3: how often this kind of happens with fighters?

1082
00:44:49,360 --> 00:44:51,080
Speaker 5: I would say this, you know, I can't get too

1083
00:44:51,080 --> 00:44:54,520
Speaker 5: deep into it. And it was really two years. Oh really,

1084
00:44:56,280 --> 00:44:57,880
Speaker 5: I think the simplest way I could put him in

1085
00:44:58,000 --> 00:45:00,600
Speaker 5: as I was fighting for what I believed in. And

1086
00:45:00,719 --> 00:45:02,880
Speaker 5: I'm a type of person that when you know, my

1087
00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:05,439
Speaker 5: mind is made up and I feel like it's something

1088
00:45:05,480 --> 00:45:08,080
Speaker 5: I need to do, I'm gonna go. I'm gonna go

1089
00:45:08,160 --> 00:45:10,440
Speaker 5: for it. And but it's really one of the hardest

1090
00:45:10,440 --> 00:45:13,320
Speaker 5: times in my life, man, because I can't really talk.

1091
00:45:13,880 --> 00:45:18,160
Speaker 5: It's a it's a it's open litigation. Promoters they got

1092
00:45:19,200 --> 00:45:22,400
Speaker 5: they got the media, so you hear you see headlines

1093
00:45:22,440 --> 00:45:25,120
Speaker 5: like oh, War would rather fight in the courtroom than

1094
00:45:25,160 --> 00:45:26,880
Speaker 5: fight in the ring, Like what sinse do that name.

1095
00:45:26,920 --> 00:45:28,560
Speaker 2: They controlling the narrative, the.

1096
00:45:28,440 --> 00:45:30,200
Speaker 5: Money going out, no money coming in, like you think

1097
00:45:30,239 --> 00:45:33,040
Speaker 5: I want to do this, and the media made it

1098
00:45:33,080 --> 00:45:37,239
Speaker 5: into I'm being selfish, I'm being a bully, I want

1099
00:45:37,280 --> 00:45:39,600
Speaker 5: more money, and I'm wasting my career. It's like, dude,

1100
00:45:39,640 --> 00:45:41,560
Speaker 5: do you realize that, like fighting is what I do?

1101
00:45:41,560 --> 00:45:43,640
Speaker 5: Do you realize that this is how I provide for

1102
00:45:43,760 --> 00:45:47,320
Speaker 5: my family and how what y'all saying makes no sense?

1103
00:45:47,719 --> 00:45:49,840
Speaker 5: And y'all never took the time to like get to

1104
00:45:49,880 --> 00:45:51,680
Speaker 5: the bottom of the situation. And a few times that

1105
00:45:51,719 --> 00:45:54,640
Speaker 5: they did, I would explain it to them and we

1106
00:45:55,080 --> 00:45:58,160
Speaker 5: just don't get it. And I just realized at that time,

1107
00:45:58,320 --> 00:46:01,000
Speaker 5: y'all not gonna get it, Like we're not the same,

1108
00:46:01,120 --> 00:46:03,799
Speaker 5: Like you have a certain mindset and I have a

1109
00:46:03,840 --> 00:46:08,480
Speaker 5: different mindset. And even to this day, people are trying

1110
00:46:08,480 --> 00:46:10,840
Speaker 5: to give me credit for my career, but you know,

1111
00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:13,520
Speaker 5: you lost two years. It's like, nah, nah, I ain't

1112
00:46:13,600 --> 00:46:17,040
Speaker 5: lose two years. I gained two years, Like I preserved

1113
00:46:17,080 --> 00:46:20,359
Speaker 5: my body two years. I learned a lot, I grew

1114
00:46:20,400 --> 00:46:23,080
Speaker 5: a lot, and I got my respect to that negotiating table.

1115
00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:26,319
Speaker 5: So the next deal that I had were rock Nation

1116
00:46:27,760 --> 00:46:30,759
Speaker 5: front and center the whole way negotiating through. So they

1117
00:46:30,760 --> 00:46:34,160
Speaker 5: don't see that kind of stuff because boxing at that

1118
00:46:34,239 --> 00:46:35,719
Speaker 5: time it was a lot of you know, still a

1119
00:46:35,760 --> 00:46:37,879
Speaker 5: lot of writers involved in so like that's new media now,

1120
00:46:37,960 --> 00:46:38,560
Speaker 5: so it's different.

1121
00:46:38,960 --> 00:46:41,200
Speaker 3: But but they probably didn't want to see that side anyway,

1122
00:46:41,360 --> 00:46:43,880
Speaker 3: because their side sold the papers, pushed the imager.

1123
00:46:44,640 --> 00:46:47,640
Speaker 5: That's not good for business, right, that's not good for business, Like,

1124
00:46:47,840 --> 00:46:52,040
Speaker 5: just shut up the fight. And I'm just not built

1125
00:46:52,080 --> 00:46:55,759
Speaker 5: like that, you know, Like I studied the game and

1126
00:46:55,800 --> 00:46:58,240
Speaker 5: I would ask questions like why why why the fighters

1127
00:46:58,239 --> 00:47:00,920
Speaker 5: always end up with no money? Why always messed up?

1128
00:47:00,960 --> 00:47:03,080
Speaker 5: And he would try to explain it to me, and

1129
00:47:03,160 --> 00:47:04,799
Speaker 5: I just knew, even before I really knew what I

1130
00:47:04,880 --> 00:47:06,120
Speaker 5: was saying, like, I don't want to do that. I

1131
00:47:06,239 --> 00:47:08,800
Speaker 5: want to be different. But it take caurage, though, because

1132
00:47:08,840 --> 00:47:11,239
Speaker 5: when you're making that kind of fight, you're not just

1133
00:47:11,520 --> 00:47:16,520
Speaker 5: fighting individual fighting the media, you fighting the narrative. And

1134
00:47:19,120 --> 00:47:21,440
Speaker 5: the deal I did with Rock Nation, I was with

1135
00:47:21,520 --> 00:47:23,359
Speaker 5: them three years before I retired. I made more money

1136
00:47:23,360 --> 00:47:25,759
Speaker 5: in that three years than I did the ten years previously.

1137
00:47:26,480 --> 00:47:28,279
Speaker 5: And I've heard people to this day, well, you know,

1138
00:47:28,320 --> 00:47:30,680
Speaker 5: the Rock Nation thing didn't work out the way you

1139
00:47:30,719 --> 00:47:32,480
Speaker 5: thought it was going to. And I'm like you sure

1140
00:47:32,520 --> 00:47:36,280
Speaker 5: about that? So it's all these little narratives and stuff

1141
00:47:36,280 --> 00:47:39,319
Speaker 5: that you got to fight through. But what I love

1142
00:47:39,360 --> 00:47:42,640
Speaker 5: about the game is that my peers, the younger ones,

1143
00:47:42,920 --> 00:47:45,759
Speaker 5: the ones my age, and even the older ones, they

1144
00:47:45,800 --> 00:47:47,880
Speaker 5: get it and they respect it. And that's really all that.

1145
00:47:48,800 --> 00:47:51,120
Speaker 5: It's not about the media. It's not about your YouTubers.

1146
00:47:51,120 --> 00:47:53,319
Speaker 5: It's not about you writers. Y'all are gonna have y'all

1147
00:47:53,320 --> 00:47:58,000
Speaker 5: perspective for any sport. Y'all, notice what your peers say

1148
00:47:58,040 --> 00:48:01,320
Speaker 5: about you. That's really matters most, and that's the truth,

1149
00:48:01,600 --> 00:48:04,600
Speaker 5: because they gonna keep it real immediate, y'all, high and low,

1150
00:48:05,080 --> 00:48:06,200
Speaker 5: hot and cold, depending.

1151
00:48:05,880 --> 00:48:08,080
Speaker 3: On the that we got someone in here, DeMarcus Cousins

1152
00:48:07,920 --> 00:48:11,439
Speaker 3: just that narrative of issue problem this, But you asked

1153
00:48:11,440 --> 00:48:13,600
Speaker 3: players around the league. He was a killer and you go.

1154
00:48:13,600 --> 00:48:15,120
Speaker 2: In the league right now and be a top five

1155
00:48:15,120 --> 00:48:16,360
Speaker 2: big man right now in the league.

1156
00:48:16,480 --> 00:48:18,879
Speaker 4: But the way they put it is why he's not playing,

1157
00:48:18,880 --> 00:48:20,080
Speaker 4: because they controlled the narratives.

1158
00:48:20,960 --> 00:48:22,560
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. It sucks.

1159
00:48:22,760 --> 00:48:25,800
Speaker 3: Shut out, Boogie you in the building. Uh you spoke

1160
00:48:25,840 --> 00:48:28,680
Speaker 3: to Rock Nation, speak to that relationship how that came

1161
00:48:28,719 --> 00:48:30,840
Speaker 3: about and what made Jay different.

1162
00:48:30,960 --> 00:48:34,440
Speaker 5: I followed Jay the business side of his life for years,

1163
00:48:34,480 --> 00:48:35,640
Speaker 5: you know what I mean. And I said this in

1164
00:48:35,640 --> 00:48:38,279
Speaker 5: the doc that everything he touched seemed to be successful.

1165
00:48:38,520 --> 00:48:42,880
Speaker 5: And you know, we got through with the lawsuit. You know,

1166
00:48:42,960 --> 00:48:47,080
Speaker 5: j said Rock Nation. I was like, what you mean.

1167
00:48:47,760 --> 00:48:49,520
Speaker 5: I didn't know about the sports part. I mean, I

1168
00:48:49,560 --> 00:48:51,080
Speaker 5: knew they were agents in the game, but I didn't

1169
00:48:51,080 --> 00:48:52,920
Speaker 5: know about the boxing part of the sports agent. He said,

1170
00:48:52,920 --> 00:48:55,279
Speaker 5: they're getting in the game. Jay's a big, big, big

1171
00:48:55,320 --> 00:48:57,960
Speaker 5: boxing fan and he wants to sign you. So that's

1172
00:48:58,000 --> 00:49:01,080
Speaker 5: what started it. And like I said, man, me and

1173
00:49:01,120 --> 00:49:04,840
Speaker 5: me and me and me, Jay and my lawyer who's

1174
00:49:04,840 --> 00:49:07,520
Speaker 5: my good friend, and my brother, Josh Duby Man. We

1175
00:49:07,600 --> 00:49:11,920
Speaker 5: negotiated that thing together. And you know, desert Rae Perez

1176
00:49:12,800 --> 00:49:16,360
Speaker 5: and one and Jay z Men. I appreciate them, you know,

1177
00:49:16,440 --> 00:49:18,239
Speaker 5: for believing in me. We believed in each other because

1178
00:49:18,239 --> 00:49:20,479
Speaker 5: I was taking a risk on them too. And uh,

1179
00:49:20,600 --> 00:49:22,319
Speaker 5: it was the right thing that I needed coming off

1180
00:49:22,320 --> 00:49:23,080
Speaker 5: that lawsuit.

1181
00:49:22,840 --> 00:49:24,239
Speaker 3: Because it was new, not to cat off, but it

1182
00:49:24,239 --> 00:49:26,239
Speaker 3: was their division was new, right, the boxing.

1183
00:49:26,120 --> 00:49:28,160
Speaker 5: Boting division was new. But I didn't want to go

1184
00:49:28,239 --> 00:49:32,200
Speaker 5: back to the old, same old thing that I had

1185
00:49:32,239 --> 00:49:34,680
Speaker 5: just come out of. Right, you know, I respected that

1186
00:49:34,760 --> 00:49:36,879
Speaker 5: time and season of my life, but it was time

1187
00:49:36,920 --> 00:49:39,640
Speaker 5: for something different. It was time for something new, something innovative,

1188
00:49:39,840 --> 00:49:41,440
Speaker 5: and rock Nation was the answer.

1189
00:49:43,920 --> 00:49:46,440
Speaker 4: I've been honored to be to be in this boxing

1190
00:49:46,440 --> 00:49:48,840
Speaker 4: space now getting accepted by a lot of the boxers,

1191
00:49:48,840 --> 00:49:50,400
Speaker 4: you know, being a basketball player, and I'm honored to

1192
00:49:50,440 --> 00:49:52,600
Speaker 4: be in the space. And I got a show which

1193
00:49:52,640 --> 00:49:54,359
Speaker 4: I love to have you on coming up and all

1194
00:49:54,360 --> 00:49:56,879
Speaker 4: the fight times. I had a lot of champions on

1195
00:49:57,040 --> 00:49:59,200
Speaker 4: my show, and we talked about the politics of boxing.

1196
00:50:00,080 --> 00:50:02,359
Speaker 4: Give me your take on the politics of boxing then,

1197
00:50:02,480 --> 00:50:04,359
Speaker 4: and what would you change to make the sport better?

1198
00:50:04,400 --> 00:50:07,040
Speaker 5: I would say the politics that there's politics like it

1199
00:50:07,120 --> 00:50:10,560
Speaker 5: like it is with in every sport. A couple of things.

1200
00:50:10,800 --> 00:50:12,920
Speaker 5: I think you got to learn how to navigate the politics.

1201
00:50:13,239 --> 00:50:15,680
Speaker 5: Can't fight every battle. It's a time to speak, and

1202
00:50:15,680 --> 00:50:17,680
Speaker 5: it's a time to be quiet and watch and process

1203
00:50:18,160 --> 00:50:23,440
Speaker 5: and digest what's going on. And then you got to

1204
00:50:23,440 --> 00:50:28,799
Speaker 5: get to a certain point where politics, opinions, narratives, they

1205
00:50:28,800 --> 00:50:32,480
Speaker 5: don't move you like I'm a firm believer and I

1206
00:50:32,520 --> 00:50:35,360
Speaker 5: got this concept from my pastor. He said, man. He

1207
00:50:35,480 --> 00:50:36,359
Speaker 5: used to call him minute man.

1208
00:50:36,560 --> 00:50:36,680
Speaker 2: Man.

1209
00:50:36,680 --> 00:50:38,520
Speaker 5: They hating on me. Man, they you know, Man, I

1210
00:50:38,640 --> 00:50:39,399
Speaker 5: just fought a great fight.

1211
00:50:39,440 --> 00:50:39,920
Speaker 3: They saying that.

1212
00:50:40,080 --> 00:50:43,320
Speaker 5: He said, Oh so the media, He said, Man, stop

1213
00:50:43,320 --> 00:50:44,960
Speaker 5: giving these people so much credit.

1214
00:50:44,719 --> 00:50:45,320
Speaker 3: In your life.

1215
00:50:45,920 --> 00:50:48,680
Speaker 5: Like what you mean? He like, they can't do nothing

1216
00:50:48,680 --> 00:50:51,120
Speaker 5: to God, don't want don't allow them to do. And

1217
00:50:51,160 --> 00:50:53,960
Speaker 5: if he's allowing something to happen, it's for a purpose

1218
00:50:53,960 --> 00:50:55,840
Speaker 5: and a plan to build you and teach you and

1219
00:50:55,880 --> 00:50:59,439
Speaker 5: grow you. So it shifted my focus where it stead

1220
00:50:59,440 --> 00:51:03,319
Speaker 5: of y'all hate, y'all blocking, you can't block me. And

1221
00:51:03,360 --> 00:51:05,359
Speaker 5: that's not an arrogant statement, that's a that's a that's

1222
00:51:05,400 --> 00:51:08,680
Speaker 5: a fact. You can't do nothing that God won't allow

1223
00:51:08,719 --> 00:51:11,319
Speaker 5: you to do. And if he's allowed on it, I

1224
00:51:11,320 --> 00:51:14,279
Speaker 5: gotta I gotta ask, Okay, God, what you're trying? What

1225
00:51:14,320 --> 00:51:16,279
Speaker 5: do I need to get out of this? So, yes,

1226
00:51:16,320 --> 00:51:18,239
Speaker 5: it's politics. You got to learn how to navigate that,

1227
00:51:18,280 --> 00:51:19,640
Speaker 5: Like I said, you got to know how to move

1228
00:51:19,680 --> 00:51:21,520
Speaker 5: with the politics. But at the same time, at the

1229
00:51:21,600 --> 00:51:23,239
Speaker 5: end of the day, man, you can write what you

1230
00:51:23,239 --> 00:51:24,680
Speaker 5: want to write, you can say what you want to say.

1231
00:51:24,800 --> 00:51:27,160
Speaker 5: The purpose in my life is gonna be fulfilled. The

1232
00:51:27,160 --> 00:51:29,359
Speaker 5: only thing that can stop it is me if I

1233
00:51:29,400 --> 00:51:33,040
Speaker 5: crash out, But if I stay the course, I'm gonna

1234
00:51:33,080 --> 00:51:36,040
Speaker 5: let this work for me. And I'm gonna forgive y'all

1235
00:51:36,080 --> 00:51:38,239
Speaker 5: in the process because y'all saying stuff a boy, my family,

1236
00:51:38,320 --> 00:51:40,560
Speaker 5: y'all saying stuff about me. Man, I forgive you now.

1237
00:51:40,520 --> 00:51:42,520
Speaker 5: I'm not gonna do an interview with you, but I

1238
00:51:42,560 --> 00:51:42,960
Speaker 5: forgive you.

1239
00:51:43,000 --> 00:51:43,120
Speaker 3: Man.

1240
00:51:43,120 --> 00:51:45,680
Speaker 5: I'm not gonna hold that against you. But y'all not

1241
00:51:45,719 --> 00:51:47,600
Speaker 5: gonna stop like I can't. I can give you a

1242
00:51:47,680 --> 00:51:51,000
Speaker 5: list right now of things that the media said was

1243
00:51:51,040 --> 00:51:53,960
Speaker 5: not gonna happen in my in my career, or question

1244
00:51:54,080 --> 00:51:56,640
Speaker 5: marks that they had, or you know, things that they say,

1245
00:51:56,680 --> 00:51:58,800
Speaker 5: Alway's got an amateur style, he can't take a punch,

1246
00:51:58,960 --> 00:52:02,439
Speaker 5: He's not gonna retire undefeated, He's not gonna beat this guy.

1247
00:52:02,520 --> 00:52:04,839
Speaker 5: Nobody wants to see him fight. Oh he's born. All

1248
00:52:04,880 --> 00:52:07,680
Speaker 5: these things, and I just kept chipping, kept plowing away,

1249
00:52:07,760 --> 00:52:10,520
Speaker 5: kept chipping, and it got to the point where when

1250
00:52:10,600 --> 00:52:18,600
Speaker 5: y'all finally gave me just doing respect universally, I was, yeah,

1251
00:52:18,840 --> 00:52:20,600
Speaker 5: see y'all later, because I really wasn't in it for

1252
00:52:20,680 --> 00:52:23,759
Speaker 5: y'all y'all's approval. I had a mission at the timetable.

1253
00:52:24,040 --> 00:52:26,000
Speaker 5: My time is up. So I beat the dude the

1254
00:52:26,040 --> 00:52:27,880
Speaker 5: second time that y'all didn't think I was gonna beat

1255
00:52:27,920 --> 00:52:29,960
Speaker 5: the first time since I had questions the first time.

1256
00:52:30,120 --> 00:52:32,000
Speaker 5: Let me put this stamp on it right here, and

1257
00:52:32,040 --> 00:52:38,160
Speaker 5: I'm out best fighter in the world, I'm gone.

1258
00:52:46,640 --> 00:52:48,799
Speaker 2: What fight do the world need to see right now?

1259
00:52:48,960 --> 00:52:52,160
Speaker 3: Yes, man, that's a good one.

1260
00:52:52,320 --> 00:52:55,960
Speaker 5: I want to see Canelo. I wouldn't mind Canelo fighting

1261
00:52:56,239 --> 00:53:00,720
Speaker 5: Terrence or Benevidez. You got two options. You go somebody

1262
00:53:00,760 --> 00:53:02,839
Speaker 5: in your way class, or you can try to pick

1263
00:53:02,840 --> 00:53:08,759
Speaker 5: on the smaller guy, Terrence Crawford against Terrence right now

1264
00:53:08,800 --> 00:53:11,560
Speaker 5: with no against nobody, body don't doing it. I would

1265
00:53:11,600 --> 00:53:15,400
Speaker 5: love to see Tank fight Shakur or Devin. I know

1266
00:53:15,440 --> 00:53:18,000
Speaker 5: that's probably a little early, a little bit more seasoning.

1267
00:53:18,080 --> 00:53:21,440
Speaker 5: I think that'll make the most sensum a financial standpoint,

1268
00:53:21,640 --> 00:53:22,840
Speaker 5: and I want to seek.

1269
00:53:23,760 --> 00:53:25,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what that's that's that's the fight.

1270
00:53:25,520 --> 00:53:26,560
Speaker 5: And they didn't rumble a lot.

1271
00:53:26,840 --> 00:53:27,359
Speaker 2: That's the fight.

1272
00:53:27,680 --> 00:53:30,480
Speaker 5: They didn't rumble a lot in spy, you know so.

1273
00:53:30,840 --> 00:53:34,839
Speaker 5: But but I really want to see but go out

1274
00:53:34,840 --> 00:53:36,399
Speaker 5: the way he want to go out, and he can.

1275
00:53:36,440 --> 00:53:38,520
Speaker 5: He can go out if and I don't know if

1276
00:53:38,520 --> 00:53:42,239
Speaker 5: they're gonna do the rematch him and Arrow, so they

1277
00:53:42,239 --> 00:53:46,319
Speaker 5: can run that back. But if they don't, I would

1278
00:53:46,360 --> 00:53:48,759
Speaker 5: love to see but get Canelo and then right off

1279
00:53:48,760 --> 00:53:49,320
Speaker 5: in the sunset.

1280
00:53:49,520 --> 00:53:50,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know if I want to see the

1281
00:53:51,040 --> 00:53:53,960
Speaker 3: rematch with Spence. That was brutal.

1282
00:53:54,080 --> 00:53:55,359
Speaker 2: That's a lot of money for both of them.

1283
00:53:55,360 --> 00:53:57,239
Speaker 3: If there's a ton of money, that's a ton of

1284
00:53:57,239 --> 00:53:58,000
Speaker 3: money for both of them.

1285
00:53:58,040 --> 00:53:59,600
Speaker 4: I think they got to do the rematch regardless, how

1286
00:53:59,640 --> 00:54:02,360
Speaker 4: if the same thing, So what's it's a great business.

1287
00:54:02,840 --> 00:54:06,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, but still that's taking I feel like you don't

1288
00:54:06,080 --> 00:54:08,160
Speaker 3: want to see. It's gonna take some years off his life.

1289
00:54:08,200 --> 00:54:12,200
Speaker 4: Bro, the car, all the stuff he has been through

1290
00:54:12,719 --> 00:54:15,120
Speaker 4: has took a toll on this. This next fight is

1291
00:54:15,160 --> 00:54:16,960
Speaker 4: not gonna do nothing more damage than it's already. You

1292
00:54:17,000 --> 00:54:17,960
Speaker 4: know what I'm saying, he's already.

1293
00:54:18,360 --> 00:54:21,520
Speaker 3: I don't know, but it can. Yeah, come on now

1294
00:54:21,920 --> 00:54:25,480
Speaker 3: and it will a new punch. Come on, man, that was.

1295
00:54:27,080 --> 00:54:29,680
Speaker 2: I mean, the fight go the same way, just the

1296
00:54:29,719 --> 00:54:31,040
Speaker 2: same damage.

1297
00:54:31,360 --> 00:54:34,200
Speaker 3: But it's again, it's happened if that's a whole other layer,

1298
00:54:34,560 --> 00:54:37,719
Speaker 3: I'm saying, happening again, the same kind of damage happening again.

1299
00:54:37,840 --> 00:54:39,520
Speaker 2: I just don't see it being that.

1300
00:54:39,680 --> 00:54:42,160
Speaker 4: I don't see it going I see I see budd

1301
00:54:42,200 --> 00:54:44,080
Speaker 4: winning still, but I don't see it being that dominant.

1302
00:54:44,080 --> 00:54:45,640
Speaker 5: That's another that's another car accident.

1303
00:54:45,760 --> 00:54:49,200
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, right, face first, j he no one.

1304
00:54:49,000 --> 00:54:53,120
Speaker 5: Way like he's a fighter. He gonna he gonna bring it,

1305
00:54:53,640 --> 00:54:55,120
Speaker 5: no matter. He ain't gonna make no excusees. He gonna

1306
00:54:55,120 --> 00:54:55,400
Speaker 5: bring it.

1307
00:54:55,600 --> 00:54:57,800
Speaker 4: That's how I feel, right, he gonna bring my attitude.

1308
00:54:58,160 --> 00:54:59,399
Speaker 4: You gonna understand what I'm saying.

1309
00:54:59,400 --> 00:55:02,640
Speaker 5: But look, but but but no one way too. So

1310
00:55:02,680 --> 00:55:05,960
Speaker 5: that's that's that's two Max trucks to having another accident,

1311
00:55:06,040 --> 00:55:06,800
Speaker 5: another collision.

1312
00:55:07,040 --> 00:55:09,600
Speaker 3: You gotta knock me out, but that thing.

1313
00:55:09,920 --> 00:55:12,400
Speaker 5: Will that they's gonna stay with you though, right we

1314
00:55:12,560 --> 00:55:14,960
Speaker 5: look we stopped watching the night of the fight. All right, man,

1315
00:55:15,000 --> 00:55:15,480
Speaker 5: I'm moving on.

1316
00:55:15,760 --> 00:55:16,480
Speaker 2: You know I was a good fight.

1317
00:55:17,000 --> 00:55:19,680
Speaker 3: He got that punch with I got hit by a

1318
00:55:19,680 --> 00:55:20,879
Speaker 3: car and got up and shooting again.

1319
00:55:20,920 --> 00:55:24,320
Speaker 4: So I ain't got no understanding different, But understand you

1320
00:55:24,360 --> 00:55:26,239
Speaker 4: would have got You can't make me understand if you

1321
00:55:26,239 --> 00:55:26,520
Speaker 4: would have.

1322
00:55:26,520 --> 00:55:28,200
Speaker 3: Got here with that car three more times, it would

1323
00:55:28,200 --> 00:55:32,080
Speaker 3: have been a little different. Last till your I would

1324
00:55:32,080 --> 00:55:33,279
Speaker 3: have got hit by the car again.

1325
00:55:33,320 --> 00:55:33,520
Speaker 2: Though.

1326
00:55:33,600 --> 00:55:35,960
Speaker 5: Let me just chime in as a guy who you

1327
00:55:36,000 --> 00:55:38,799
Speaker 5: know lived it, took a few punches and dished out

1328
00:55:38,800 --> 00:55:41,239
Speaker 5: a whole lot of punches. It's gonna good.

1329
00:55:41,360 --> 00:55:43,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't feel that got to here.

1330
00:55:43,960 --> 00:55:49,120
Speaker 5: The thing, they getting older, the miles, they racking kids.

1331
00:55:49,120 --> 00:55:51,000
Speaker 3: You want to be able to do it with your kids.

1332
00:55:51,280 --> 00:55:53,200
Speaker 4: Just like saying you retired, but somebody run up on

1333
00:55:53,239 --> 00:55:54,520
Speaker 4: your dispect, you ain't gonna fight them.

1334
00:55:54,640 --> 00:55:57,279
Speaker 5: Them hands still works, they still work.

1335
00:55:57,320 --> 00:55:59,120
Speaker 3: That's automatic point. That's all I'm saying.

1336
00:55:59,160 --> 00:56:02,000
Speaker 5: But I'm saying like, but he you're still going as

1337
00:56:02,000 --> 00:56:07,560
Speaker 5: a competitor. Listen, if I'm in Erol's position, I'm gonna

1338
00:56:07,600 --> 00:56:09,680
Speaker 5: really need some counselor and not take that next fight.

1339
00:56:11,120 --> 00:56:15,360
Speaker 5: I'm gonna need my pastor, my wife, my brothers, people.

1340
00:56:15,680 --> 00:56:18,360
Speaker 5: I need y'all to really sit me down and explain, like,

1341
00:56:18,400 --> 00:56:20,720
Speaker 5: help me understand why this is not a good idea today.

1342
00:56:20,719 --> 00:56:23,400
Speaker 5: I understand about my health, understanding that, but he beat me,

1343
00:56:23,440 --> 00:56:24,680
Speaker 5: and he beat me in such a way. I gotta

1344
00:56:24,680 --> 00:56:27,719
Speaker 5: get that back. So I understand that from a competitive standpoint.

1345
00:56:27,840 --> 00:56:30,279
Speaker 5: But me being out the game six years now, me

1346
00:56:30,360 --> 00:56:33,080
Speaker 5: being a big brother in the game, me knowing how

1347
00:56:33,080 --> 00:56:36,240
Speaker 5: that punishment can start soaking in, especially when you get older.

1348
00:56:37,000 --> 00:56:38,880
Speaker 5: I don't want to see it. From that standpoint. This

1349
00:56:38,960 --> 00:56:41,160
Speaker 5: ain't no disrespect to EJ. I love that dude, and

1350
00:56:41,200 --> 00:56:43,719
Speaker 5: I love good. They both my brothers. Yeah, but I'm

1351
00:56:43,719 --> 00:56:46,880
Speaker 5: gonna keep it a hunting. You don't want to go

1352
00:56:47,000 --> 00:56:50,759
Speaker 5: through that again. EJ is good with his money.

1353
00:56:51,000 --> 00:56:53,240
Speaker 2: Took care of his stuff. He lived his life.

1354
00:56:53,480 --> 00:56:55,360
Speaker 5: He didn't been through a lot with the car accident,

1355
00:56:55,560 --> 00:56:58,160
Speaker 5: multiple two of them. One of them had him in

1356
00:56:58,200 --> 00:57:01,560
Speaker 5: the hospital, the other one he walked away from and

1357
00:57:01,560 --> 00:57:05,480
Speaker 5: and he fought after that. And then he thought, but man,

1358
00:57:05,480 --> 00:57:07,640
Speaker 5: we're talking about we talking about quality of life. Bro.

1359
00:57:07,800 --> 00:57:09,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, we don't have no understanding the texts though.

1360
00:57:09,760 --> 00:57:12,120
Speaker 5: Sorry y'all, but but but I understand what you're saying.

1361
00:57:12,120 --> 00:57:13,839
Speaker 5: That's why I say I'm gonna need counselor.

1362
00:57:13,480 --> 00:57:15,719
Speaker 4: And not take the fight shield. But that's that's how

1363
00:57:15,719 --> 00:57:18,640
Speaker 4: I live my life. I'm going out if if I

1364
00:57:18,680 --> 00:57:20,400
Speaker 4: go out the dumb way, it's the way I want

1365
00:57:20,440 --> 00:57:24,160
Speaker 4: it to go. Yeah, I'm not barring nothing. I'm standing

1366
00:57:24,160 --> 00:57:26,080
Speaker 4: in front of in and everybody, So you you taking

1367
00:57:26,120 --> 00:57:29,080
Speaker 4: the win to lose. I'm not backing out from nothing

1368
00:57:30,040 --> 00:57:30,480
Speaker 4: in life.

1369
00:57:30,640 --> 00:57:30,840
Speaker 2: Nothing.

1370
00:57:31,240 --> 00:57:33,120
Speaker 5: They say, Man, you can take this fight, make half

1371
00:57:33,160 --> 00:57:35,960
Speaker 5: the money and then maybe see how you feel and

1372
00:57:36,000 --> 00:57:37,440
Speaker 5: then maybe come back to But you're gonna.

1373
00:57:37,200 --> 00:57:37,760
Speaker 2: Do that, I would do.

1374
00:57:37,840 --> 00:57:39,800
Speaker 3: I mean the business decision, but I'm still taking the fight.

1375
00:57:39,920 --> 00:57:41,880
Speaker 4: What I'm saying, you're not gonna not take the fight,

1376
00:57:41,920 --> 00:57:43,000
Speaker 4: I'm not gonna not take the fight.

1377
00:57:43,080 --> 00:57:43,720
Speaker 5: I respect it.

1378
00:57:43,800 --> 00:57:45,280
Speaker 3: I'm not And that's just how I live my life.

1379
00:57:45,280 --> 00:57:48,160
Speaker 3: With anything. What you're gonna do, man, you ej Come on, man,

1380
00:57:48,200 --> 00:57:50,080
Speaker 3: the quality of life. I love my kids. I love

1381
00:57:50,120 --> 00:57:51,960
Speaker 3: to be able to talk. That's why to do all

1382
00:57:52,000 --> 00:57:57,720
Speaker 3: this other show. That's why we work. Go ahead and

1383
00:57:57,720 --> 00:58:00,919
Speaker 3: crash out, go crash out. I'm go crash I'm gonna

1384
00:58:00,920 --> 00:58:01,520
Speaker 3: be happy with it.

1385
00:58:01,560 --> 00:58:02,160
Speaker 2: But I understand.

1386
00:58:02,200 --> 00:58:02,640
Speaker 5: I understand.

1387
00:58:02,680 --> 00:58:03,160
Speaker 2: I respect it.

1388
00:58:03,240 --> 00:58:05,200
Speaker 3: I definitely that don't check the mind.

1389
00:58:05,480 --> 00:58:05,960
Speaker 2: I see it.

1390
00:58:06,000 --> 00:58:12,800
Speaker 3: But at the same time, I feel like.

1391
00:58:07,640 --> 00:58:09,040
Speaker 2: We are.

1392
00:58:10,520 --> 00:58:12,520
Speaker 3: We and our man forties. Like to me, I'm thinking

1393
00:58:12,600 --> 00:58:15,960
Speaker 3: like life after basketball, life after boxing is way different,

1394
00:58:16,000 --> 00:58:17,560
Speaker 3: you know what I mean? And you see people who've

1395
00:58:17,560 --> 00:58:19,280
Speaker 3: been punched drunk and have issues.

1396
00:58:19,320 --> 00:58:21,640
Speaker 2: Now you've seen basketball players that can't walk.

1397
00:58:22,360 --> 00:58:25,640
Speaker 3: It's real anyways. Uh you once said, when I walk

1398
00:58:25,680 --> 00:58:27,680
Speaker 3: away I want to have a body of work, not

1399
00:58:27,760 --> 00:58:29,640
Speaker 3: just in the ring, but as a man that young

1400
00:58:29,680 --> 00:58:33,120
Speaker 3: fighters could point at and say, man, I could pull

1401
00:58:33,160 --> 00:58:35,960
Speaker 3: off something from I could pull something from that dude.

1402
00:58:37,520 --> 00:58:40,800
Speaker 3: Anybody in the game that remotely reminds you of yourself today?

1403
00:58:41,680 --> 00:58:43,120
Speaker 5: Yes, your core probably fault.

1404
00:58:43,800 --> 00:58:45,440
Speaker 2: Yeah damn not identical. Bro.

1405
00:58:45,560 --> 00:58:48,280
Speaker 5: When I hear his mind like that, dude really like

1406
00:58:48,320 --> 00:58:52,880
Speaker 5: one of his problems. He don't leave a gym like.

1407
00:58:53,280 --> 00:58:54,720
Speaker 5: I got to a point where it's like, Bro, I'm

1408
00:58:54,760 --> 00:58:57,800
Speaker 5: not sparing unless there's some money on the line. Nless

1409
00:58:57,800 --> 00:59:00,240
Speaker 5: I gotta fight, I'll go hit the bag. I had

1410
00:59:00,240 --> 00:59:03,200
Speaker 5: to mint that I'm not taking no punches unless it's

1411
00:59:03,280 --> 00:59:04,000
Speaker 5: training camp time.

1412
00:59:04,160 --> 00:59:04,920
Speaker 3: Bring yourself out.

1413
00:59:05,040 --> 00:59:07,880
Speaker 5: This dude was fun, Like, Bro, I did sixteen rounds

1414
00:59:07,880 --> 00:59:10,560
Speaker 5: a day. Why he loves it that much? So when

1415
00:59:10,600 --> 00:59:13,080
Speaker 5: I'm around him, he reminds me of my younger self,

1416
00:59:13,400 --> 00:59:16,200
Speaker 5: the one that just loved boxing before the business side

1417
00:59:16,280 --> 00:59:20,320
Speaker 5: came in. And you know, people keep questioning him being

1418
00:59:20,320 --> 00:59:22,800
Speaker 5: a dog and all of that, but he he got

1419
00:59:22,800 --> 00:59:25,400
Speaker 5: plenty dog in it. He got plenty dog in it.

1420
00:59:25,480 --> 00:59:28,120
Speaker 5: But he's still trying to figure it out. But for

1421
00:59:28,560 --> 00:59:31,480
Speaker 5: a fighter like Charkur, all these fighters really, not just scharkur.

1422
00:59:31,760 --> 00:59:33,080
Speaker 5: They trying to figure it out in front of the

1423
00:59:33,080 --> 00:59:35,160
Speaker 5: whole world in real time. So you're gonna see the

1424
00:59:35,200 --> 00:59:37,600
Speaker 5: bad nights and you're gonna see the good knights. So

1425
00:59:38,080 --> 00:59:40,920
Speaker 5: he still got a lot left that he's gonna accomplish,

1426
00:59:41,080 --> 00:59:43,000
Speaker 5: and I'm excited to see it. But yeah, he probably

1427
00:59:43,080 --> 00:59:44,600
Speaker 5: Chour is probably the one that I say, man, he

1428
00:59:44,760 --> 00:59:47,400
Speaker 5: mind me and myself probably more than anybody.

1429
00:59:47,040 --> 00:59:50,400
Speaker 4: By far, the best defensive fighter I've seen since you

1430
00:59:50,480 --> 00:59:56,360
Speaker 4: and Floyd. Yeah, by far. It's not even close. We're

1431
00:59:56,400 --> 00:59:58,480
Speaker 4: just talking about him. Who's the most skilled fighter today.

1432
01:00:00,200 --> 01:00:05,160
Speaker 5: But but it's definitely one of them, for sure. Takes

1433
01:00:05,160 --> 01:00:10,200
Speaker 5: your cord, Devin, Boots, Boots. It's a lot of them.

1434
01:00:10,360 --> 01:00:12,480
Speaker 5: It's a lot of them, and they're skillful in different ways,

1435
01:00:13,040 --> 01:00:18,480
Speaker 5: you know what I'm saying. But somebody that like I

1436
01:00:18,480 --> 01:00:25,520
Speaker 5: can bet the house on. But because me and him,

1437
01:00:25,720 --> 01:00:28,360
Speaker 5: me and him, we so much alike in our mentality.

1438
01:00:28,400 --> 01:00:30,880
Speaker 5: Like soon as soon as I see this dude, he

1439
01:00:30,960 --> 01:00:32,440
Speaker 5: come in the room where I come in the room,

1440
01:00:32,480 --> 01:00:39,280
Speaker 5: we start arguing my basketball, wrestling anything. Bro Like, Man,

1441
01:00:39,320 --> 01:00:40,800
Speaker 5: you can't, man, you look at what you meant. I'm

1442
01:00:40,800 --> 01:00:42,760
Speaker 5: looking at small you look at like it's just that,

1443
01:00:42,960 --> 01:00:46,200
Speaker 5: like you gotta really hurt that dude to turn them

1444
01:00:46,240 --> 01:00:49,000
Speaker 5: away and to try to stop him from doing what

1445
01:00:49,080 --> 01:00:52,480
Speaker 5: he want to do. So skillful, yes, but this and

1446
01:00:52,520 --> 01:00:55,120
Speaker 5: this it's different.

1447
01:00:55,120 --> 01:00:55,320
Speaker 2: Man.

1448
01:00:56,000 --> 01:00:59,240
Speaker 5: It's not a lot of guys like that out there currently.

1449
01:00:59,400 --> 01:01:02,800
Speaker 5: It's a lot of guys that talking. But until you

1450
01:01:02,880 --> 01:01:05,120
Speaker 5: get in that real fire, I'm not saying a guy

1451
01:01:05,200 --> 01:01:06,800
Speaker 5: you fighting a guy you should beat. I'm saying a

1452
01:01:06,840 --> 01:01:10,280
Speaker 5: guy that's a fifty to fifty matchup. We don't really

1453
01:01:10,280 --> 01:01:11,840
Speaker 5: know what you have. You don't even really know what

1454
01:01:11,880 --> 01:01:15,240
Speaker 5: you have. And I've seen Bud testing. I've seen Budd

1455
01:01:15,280 --> 01:01:18,720
Speaker 5: tested outside the ring. Things that they said about him,

1456
01:01:19,200 --> 01:01:23,200
Speaker 5: how they treated him, narratives that were that were that

1457
01:01:23,280 --> 01:01:26,680
Speaker 5: were put everywhere about him. And I seen him fight

1458
01:01:26,720 --> 01:01:28,320
Speaker 5: through it. I seen him push through it. I've seen

1459
01:01:28,400 --> 01:01:31,280
Speaker 5: him navigate. I've seen him you know, like Bud is

1460
01:01:31,320 --> 01:01:35,960
Speaker 5: a but is a business. He's a he's a business

1461
01:01:36,160 --> 01:01:40,120
Speaker 5: but he's a businessman. And Bud just don't talk about

1462
01:01:40,160 --> 01:01:44,120
Speaker 5: a lot of his stuff. So now everybody love him,

1463
01:01:44,200 --> 01:01:48,360
Speaker 5: but but been that guy, but has been marketable, But

1464
01:01:48,560 --> 01:01:51,520
Speaker 5: has been a great fighter. But people questioning his resume

1465
01:01:52,320 --> 01:01:54,760
Speaker 5: anybody they put him in there with. He handled him

1466
01:01:54,760 --> 01:01:56,000
Speaker 5: and did what he was supposed to do. He wasn't

1467
01:01:56,040 --> 01:02:00,560
Speaker 5: duck in no smoke. So and I say the same

1468
01:02:00,560 --> 01:02:02,840
Speaker 5: thing for EJ. Like like I remember talking to Earl

1469
01:02:02,960 --> 01:02:04,840
Speaker 5: years ago, like what you're gonna do?

1470
01:02:04,840 --> 01:02:05,680
Speaker 2: You gonna fight?

1471
01:02:05,680 --> 01:02:07,720
Speaker 5: He was like, Bro, listen, I'm not ducking him. I

1472
01:02:07,800 --> 01:02:11,120
Speaker 5: just want to get all the belts and have the

1473
01:02:11,200 --> 01:02:13,160
Speaker 5: leverage that I need at the negotiating table and then

1474
01:02:13,160 --> 01:02:15,680
Speaker 5: I'm gonna fighting him. And he did that. So, like

1475
01:02:15,760 --> 01:02:19,280
Speaker 5: Budd EJ, I'm not really impressed by skill. It's cool

1476
01:02:19,280 --> 01:02:21,320
Speaker 5: to see it, like he's skillful. When I see that

1477
01:02:21,400 --> 01:02:24,240
Speaker 5: other side, like, Bro, he's different. He a dog. That's

1478
01:02:24,280 --> 01:02:26,280
Speaker 5: the stuff that get me on my seat. And that

1479
01:02:26,320 --> 01:02:28,680
Speaker 5: don't mean you taking you going punch for punt. It

1480
01:02:28,760 --> 01:02:30,240
Speaker 5: just means that when you need to be that guy,

1481
01:02:30,480 --> 01:02:32,360
Speaker 5: you can be that guy. Yeah, it's not a lot

1482
01:02:32,400 --> 01:02:33,680
Speaker 5: of people like that in the game that it's a

1483
01:02:33,720 --> 01:02:35,480
Speaker 5: lot of talking but not a lot of walking.

1484
01:02:36,520 --> 01:02:40,400
Speaker 3: And Bud, it's definitely that. How true was it was?

1485
01:02:40,440 --> 01:02:40,600
Speaker 2: It?

1486
01:02:40,640 --> 01:02:42,600
Speaker 4: Is it even true at all that you and Canelo

1487
01:02:43,000 --> 01:02:45,720
Speaker 4: was about to fight? Is that any true to it?

1488
01:02:45,800 --> 01:02:45,920
Speaker 2: Man?

1489
01:02:45,920 --> 01:02:47,600
Speaker 5: The only reason why me and me and Canelo was

1490
01:02:47,600 --> 01:02:49,480
Speaker 5: brought up in the same conversation. Is because we thought

1491
01:02:49,520 --> 01:02:53,560
Speaker 5: that we thought a common opponent. Yeah, my name and

1492
01:02:53,600 --> 01:02:57,479
Speaker 5: his name never crossed paths during my career, even after

1493
01:02:57,520 --> 01:02:59,600
Speaker 5: even after I beat covid that nobody said nothing about that.

1494
01:03:00,240 --> 01:03:02,640
Speaker 5: And that's probably the closest I ever came to coming

1495
01:03:02,680 --> 01:03:04,840
Speaker 5: back is after he when he was fighting Covid V,

1496
01:03:04,880 --> 01:03:09,440
Speaker 5: I said he called my name, I'm there, yeah, and

1497
01:03:09,760 --> 01:03:12,000
Speaker 5: postfight press con, I'm gonna talk to my team and

1498
01:03:12,000 --> 01:03:16,080
Speaker 5: he just didn't do it. So it never nothing ever materialized.

1499
01:03:16,080 --> 01:03:18,000
Speaker 5: But that's probably the closest we that I ever came

1500
01:03:18,040 --> 01:03:20,320
Speaker 5: to feeling like, man, I may want to pick up

1501
01:03:20,360 --> 01:03:22,120
Speaker 5: the phone to call Jay and see if it's something near,

1502
01:03:23,200 --> 01:03:25,120
Speaker 5: But it's just a common opponent. But it ain't no,

1503
01:03:25,200 --> 01:03:26,880
Speaker 5: it ain't no, it ain't no beef, it ain't no PHNK,

1504
01:03:26,920 --> 01:03:29,360
Speaker 5: it ain't nothing. He's never said my name in a

1505
01:03:29,400 --> 01:03:31,160
Speaker 5: disrespectful way. He's never said that he wanted to do

1506
01:03:31,440 --> 01:03:33,600
Speaker 5: that type of dude. No, it's really just the fans,

1507
01:03:33,840 --> 01:03:34,439
Speaker 5: you know what I'm saying.

1508
01:03:34,800 --> 01:03:37,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, retired thirty two and oh top of the game,

1509
01:03:37,800 --> 01:03:40,520
Speaker 3: number one pounds found fighter in the world. Why did

1510
01:03:40,560 --> 01:03:43,240
Speaker 3: you feel like it was time to walk? And was

1511
01:03:43,280 --> 01:03:44,400
Speaker 3: that a tough walk to make?

1512
01:03:44,640 --> 01:03:44,840
Speaker 4: Yeah?

1513
01:03:44,880 --> 01:03:47,080
Speaker 5: I wanted to retire really two three years before I

1514
01:03:47,080 --> 01:03:49,640
Speaker 5: did it. You know, like I started hearing the R

1515
01:03:49,760 --> 01:03:52,120
Speaker 5: word come up in my in my conversation. I'm like, dang,

1516
01:03:52,960 --> 01:03:54,840
Speaker 5: but I still had to drive. But I was like, man,

1517
01:03:54,880 --> 01:03:57,720
Speaker 5: I'm you know, I'm I'm like my father. I'm a

1518
01:03:57,880 --> 01:04:01,240
Speaker 5: I'm all or nothing type of person. My preparation and

1519
01:04:01,720 --> 01:04:03,240
Speaker 5: you know it just you start, you know, you're missing

1520
01:04:03,280 --> 01:04:08,000
Speaker 5: stuff with your kids. I'm in training camp six months

1521
01:04:08,040 --> 01:04:10,760
Speaker 5: out the year. You know, my body's starting to break

1522
01:04:10,800 --> 01:04:12,800
Speaker 5: down a little bit because I'm because I'm grinding away.

1523
01:04:12,840 --> 01:04:16,560
Speaker 5: I'm grinding in training camp, and I just wanted my

1524
01:04:16,560 --> 01:04:19,200
Speaker 5: freedom back. I'm like, man, I don't know how much

1525
01:04:19,240 --> 01:04:20,520
Speaker 5: long I want to do this. You know, I'm stacking

1526
01:04:20,560 --> 01:04:21,800
Speaker 5: my money. So I'm like, all right, I think I'm

1527
01:04:21,840 --> 01:04:27,160
Speaker 5: good on that front. And it just got to the

1528
01:04:27,160 --> 01:04:28,840
Speaker 5: point I thought I was done after COVID ed one,

1529
01:04:30,200 --> 01:04:33,440
Speaker 5: you know, based on how the training camp went with

1530
01:04:33,480 --> 01:04:36,080
Speaker 5: the knee everything, and then went in to fight. Some

1531
01:04:36,080 --> 01:04:38,000
Speaker 5: people felt like I won, some people felt like I lost.

1532
01:04:38,040 --> 01:04:40,000
Speaker 5: It was just like, why am I still doing this

1533
01:04:40,520 --> 01:04:42,400
Speaker 5: and what's the point. And I stayed out of the

1534
01:04:42,400 --> 01:04:44,600
Speaker 5: gym probably for three months, didn't touch a gym and

1535
01:04:44,640 --> 01:04:47,280
Speaker 5: I had never done that, and I didn't miss it.

1536
01:04:47,360 --> 01:04:50,400
Speaker 5: So I was like, man, this is what is this?

1537
01:04:51,000 --> 01:04:51,360
Speaker 2: Like this?

1538
01:04:51,520 --> 01:04:54,680
Speaker 5: I ain't never felt like this before. And I went

1539
01:04:54,680 --> 01:04:56,880
Speaker 5: and talk to my pastor because he had the same walk.

1540
01:04:57,040 --> 01:04:59,000
Speaker 5: He played six years in the NFL for the Raiders,

1541
01:04:59,160 --> 01:05:01,320
Speaker 5: and then he walked away. It became a pastor never

1542
01:05:01,480 --> 01:05:03,360
Speaker 5: never came back. I said, man, and I thought he

1543
01:05:03,400 --> 01:05:06,200
Speaker 5: was gonna co sign how I was feeling. I'm like, man,

1544
01:05:06,240 --> 01:05:08,760
Speaker 5: I ain't feeling it. I ain't got no desire to

1545
01:05:08,760 --> 01:05:12,400
Speaker 5: be in the gym. And he was like, I think

1546
01:05:12,440 --> 01:05:15,200
Speaker 5: I can see you doing one more He's like, you

1547
01:05:15,240 --> 01:05:17,960
Speaker 5: ain't got to gott to be what you rather you

1548
01:05:18,000 --> 01:05:20,560
Speaker 5: do or don't, but think about it. I think I

1549
01:05:20,560 --> 01:05:22,440
Speaker 5: can see you doing one moment. I remember being upset,

1550
01:05:22,520 --> 01:05:24,960
Speaker 5: like man, like, every time I get ready to try

1551
01:05:24,960 --> 01:05:27,040
Speaker 5: to talk about retiring, it's all the way the gold

1552
01:05:27,120 --> 01:05:30,200
Speaker 5: post get moved. One more year. Now it's one more fight.

1553
01:05:30,720 --> 01:05:33,280
Speaker 5: And I remember leaving there kind of dejected, like, man,

1554
01:05:33,320 --> 01:05:37,240
Speaker 5: that's crazy. But he was right though I had to.

1555
01:05:37,800 --> 01:05:41,160
Speaker 5: I had to seal my legacy the way that I did. Now,

1556
01:05:41,160 --> 01:05:43,360
Speaker 5: they always gonna have something to talk about. But for me,

1557
01:05:44,280 --> 01:05:46,920
Speaker 5: I had to make sure there was no doubt what

1558
01:05:47,000 --> 01:05:49,760
Speaker 5: happened to the first fight and leave no doubt the

1559
01:05:49,800 --> 01:05:57,720
Speaker 5: second fight. And I felt like I was gonna retire.

1560
01:05:57,800 --> 01:06:00,360
Speaker 5: But before the second fight was over, like that, I was.

1561
01:06:00,360 --> 01:06:01,080
Speaker 3: In my mind.

1562
01:06:01,800 --> 01:06:04,160
Speaker 5: Got some rest a month or two after the fight,

1563
01:06:04,200 --> 01:06:05,760
Speaker 5: and I started like, man, well, maybe you know I

1564
01:06:05,760 --> 01:06:08,560
Speaker 5: could do a couple more, Like let me all these deals.

1565
01:06:08,560 --> 01:06:11,600
Speaker 5: My Jordan deal came up, they was getting ready to,

1566
01:06:11,760 --> 01:06:14,880
Speaker 5: you know, pay me. My HBO deal came up. They

1567
01:06:14,920 --> 01:06:17,080
Speaker 5: wanted to do a commentating deal and a boxing deal,

1568
01:06:17,120 --> 01:06:18,400
Speaker 5: so it was a lot of money on the table

1569
01:06:18,400 --> 01:06:21,120
Speaker 5: and I'm like, man, well, maybe a couple more. And

1570
01:06:21,160 --> 01:06:25,760
Speaker 5: then I woke up one day and I was like

1571
01:06:26,760 --> 01:06:29,000
Speaker 5: I don't want to do it no more. And I

1572
01:06:29,040 --> 01:06:30,520
Speaker 5: remember I had tears in my eyes. It was like

1573
01:06:30,560 --> 01:06:32,720
Speaker 5: early in the morning, and my wife was like she

1574
01:06:32,720 --> 01:06:34,600
Speaker 5: didn't really say nothing. I remember thinking like, girl, I'm

1575
01:06:34,640 --> 01:06:37,680
Speaker 5: like spilling my heart right now. You ain't got nothing

1576
01:06:37,680 --> 01:06:39,760
Speaker 5: from me. She was like, look, man, take the kids

1577
01:06:39,800 --> 01:06:42,600
Speaker 5: to school. We'll talk later. And we ended up talking

1578
01:06:42,640 --> 01:06:44,160
Speaker 5: that night now, mind you, She's the one that was

1579
01:06:44,200 --> 01:06:46,520
Speaker 5: always telling me, I ain't time yet, baby, it ain't

1580
01:06:46,520 --> 01:06:48,280
Speaker 5: time yet during a lawsuit period. Man, if I can,

1581
01:06:48,400 --> 01:06:51,320
Speaker 5: if this lossuit keep going on, Man, I'm gonna retire

1582
01:06:51,360 --> 01:06:56,000
Speaker 5: on my terms. Baby, it ain't time yet. That night

1583
01:06:56,560 --> 01:06:59,640
Speaker 5: she heard me, she said, Man, I ain't never heard

1584
01:06:59,640 --> 01:07:01,560
Speaker 5: you sound like this before. She said, I think the

1585
01:07:01,600 --> 01:07:04,760
Speaker 5: decision has already made, And I never heard she never

1586
01:07:04,800 --> 01:07:07,400
Speaker 5: co signed that, and I was the first time she

1587
01:07:07,440 --> 01:07:11,240
Speaker 5: ever co signed it. And I got on the phone immediately,

1588
01:07:12,040 --> 01:07:14,040
Speaker 5: let's start undoing stuff. Because my HBO deal, I was

1589
01:07:14,040 --> 01:07:16,320
Speaker 5: getting Redy to announce it in two days, a new

1590
01:07:16,520 --> 01:07:19,240
Speaker 5: three three three year deal. All my deals, I was

1591
01:07:19,280 --> 01:07:22,440
Speaker 5: getting Redy to announce. Jordan I renewed, HBO I renewed.

1592
01:07:22,440 --> 01:07:23,960
Speaker 5: There was a couple other ones on the table too,

1593
01:07:24,440 --> 01:07:26,320
Speaker 5: And I remember just I was like, for real, and

1594
01:07:26,360 --> 01:07:27,800
Speaker 5: I just I didn't waste no time. I got on

1595
01:07:27,800 --> 01:07:30,800
Speaker 5: the phone with my lawyer and we just started doing stuff. Man,

1596
01:07:31,000 --> 01:07:33,760
Speaker 5: and I haven't looked back now. You asked me a

1597
01:07:33,800 --> 01:07:37,520
Speaker 5: question earlier about it. You know how hard it was.

1598
01:07:37,920 --> 01:07:40,480
Speaker 5: It's probably one of the hardest things, outside of losing

1599
01:07:40,480 --> 01:07:43,920
Speaker 5: my father, that I've ever had to deal with and

1600
01:07:45,000 --> 01:07:46,640
Speaker 5: for a lot of reasons because I had I've had

1601
01:07:46,640 --> 01:07:50,040
Speaker 5: to retire multiple times. Like it ain't just that day

1602
01:07:50,080 --> 01:07:53,640
Speaker 5: that I retired. It's that drive, that hunger, all that stuff.

1603
01:07:53,680 --> 01:07:56,160
Speaker 5: Y'all know, it don't go away. But what I learned

1604
01:07:56,320 --> 01:07:58,560
Speaker 5: is I got to redirect it somewhere else. And what

1605
01:07:58,600 --> 01:08:00,640
Speaker 5: I also knew, I've been doing this my whole career,

1606
01:08:00,680 --> 01:08:03,600
Speaker 5: but it got you know, more or less confirmed after

1607
01:08:03,640 --> 01:08:06,920
Speaker 5: my careers, Like boxing is what I did. You know,

1608
01:08:07,000 --> 01:08:09,360
Speaker 5: it was a it was a you know, a teacher

1609
01:08:09,400 --> 01:08:12,840
Speaker 5: for me, Like, but it's not completely who I am,

1610
01:08:13,120 --> 01:08:14,959
Speaker 5: you know, Like I said, I'm a minister in the past,

1611
01:08:15,200 --> 01:08:18,120
Speaker 5: a youth pastor, and like that's my real call. That's

1612
01:08:18,120 --> 01:08:19,040
Speaker 5: what I'm really called to do.

1613
01:08:19,160 --> 01:08:19,360
Speaker 2: You know.

1614
01:08:19,400 --> 01:08:22,679
Speaker 5: Speaking is one of my gifts, you know, Motivating people,

1615
01:08:22,720 --> 01:08:25,519
Speaker 5: helping people, encouraging people, Like that's one of my gifts

1616
01:08:26,000 --> 01:08:27,960
Speaker 5: and that's really what I'm put on this earth to do.

1617
01:08:28,040 --> 01:08:30,759
Speaker 5: So it's really just trying to embrace that and understanding

1618
01:08:30,800 --> 01:08:33,280
Speaker 5: I have my time and just embracing a young life

1619
01:08:33,360 --> 01:08:35,240
Speaker 5: man and encouraging a young life and trying to help

1620
01:08:35,280 --> 01:08:37,080
Speaker 5: them as best I can. That's what's fulfilling.

1621
01:08:37,080 --> 01:08:40,479
Speaker 3: To me, love it home stretch. We almost finished twenty

1622
01:08:40,520 --> 01:08:48,879
Speaker 3: twenty one. The Boxing Hall comes calling, legendary class, yourself, Floyd, Vladimir, Clitch, Clo, Clitsko,

1623
01:08:49,600 --> 01:08:52,920
Speaker 3: Leila Ali, to name a few. What was that like?

1624
01:08:53,040 --> 01:08:53,240
Speaker 2: Man?

1625
01:08:53,280 --> 01:08:57,080
Speaker 5: It was It was surreal. It was unreal it man,

1626
01:08:57,200 --> 01:09:01,400
Speaker 5: I bro bring tears to my eyes because like that

1627
01:09:01,520 --> 01:09:04,160
Speaker 5: class was crazy. Like I was upset at first because

1628
01:09:04,160 --> 01:09:05,960
Speaker 5: it got delayed because of COVID, But then when I

1629
01:09:06,000 --> 01:09:07,360
Speaker 5: looked at the end, I'm like, bro, look at all

1630
01:09:07,360 --> 01:09:11,240
Speaker 5: these people I'm getting inducted with, like my big three,

1631
01:09:11,280 --> 01:09:13,320
Speaker 5: all the people I just named to you, they're in there.

1632
01:09:13,360 --> 01:09:15,760
Speaker 5: I grew up watching Leila, I grew up watching Ann

1633
01:09:15,760 --> 01:09:19,240
Speaker 5: Wolf coming up. Like I think Shane was in that

1634
01:09:19,280 --> 01:09:23,720
Speaker 5: class too. I couldn't believe it, man, Like I'm the

1635
01:09:23,760 --> 01:09:26,280
Speaker 5: baby in the buy. I think I'm the second youngest

1636
01:09:26,640 --> 01:09:29,920
Speaker 5: fighter ever next to Wilfred Benitez, that ever got inducted

1637
01:09:29,920 --> 01:09:32,200
Speaker 5: into the Hall of Fame. And I'm sitting up here

1638
01:09:32,240 --> 01:09:34,200
Speaker 5: on the stage and it's like I couldn't believe it.

1639
01:09:34,320 --> 01:09:35,760
Speaker 5: Like I know I earned the right to be there,

1640
01:09:35,760 --> 01:09:39,000
Speaker 5: but it's still hard to believe. And I think the

1641
01:09:39,040 --> 01:09:41,439
Speaker 5: hardest part for me that week was just like really

1642
01:09:41,520 --> 01:09:44,040
Speaker 5: just allowing myself to enjoy it and embrace it, cause

1643
01:09:44,040 --> 01:09:47,479
Speaker 5: I don't celebrate my wins very well. My whole life

1644
01:09:47,640 --> 01:09:49,439
Speaker 5: is always been yeah, you did that, We're gonna enjoy

1645
01:09:49,439 --> 01:09:50,760
Speaker 5: it for a couple of days. We gotta get back up,

1646
01:09:50,800 --> 01:09:52,840
Speaker 5: you know, we gotta get back to work. And it's

1647
01:09:52,880 --> 01:09:55,479
Speaker 5: just always just pushed my accomplishments to the side and

1648
01:09:55,520 --> 01:09:58,439
Speaker 5: just keep grinding. This was one of the times that

1649
01:09:58,479 --> 01:10:01,280
Speaker 5: I had to really smell the roses to and embrace

1650
01:10:01,360 --> 01:10:04,240
Speaker 5: what was happening. But it was surreal being in the room,

1651
01:10:04,320 --> 01:10:05,840
Speaker 5: being in a room with them people. I mean, it

1652
01:10:05,920 --> 01:10:06,400
Speaker 5: was crazy.

1653
01:10:07,040 --> 01:10:10,120
Speaker 2: Winning the goal. Hell of experience. Can you talk about

1654
01:10:10,120 --> 01:10:11,639
Speaker 2: that in ATHLETs.

1655
01:10:11,360 --> 01:10:17,160
Speaker 5: Man, It was special. It was very very special. And

1656
01:10:17,320 --> 01:10:19,080
Speaker 5: part of the reason is because I almost missed it,

1657
01:10:20,920 --> 01:10:25,320
Speaker 5: that that moment we talked about that barely came. Bro

1658
01:10:26,160 --> 01:10:28,840
Speaker 5: that barely came, Like I barely got myself together in

1659
01:10:28,920 --> 01:10:32,519
Speaker 5: time to qualify because at that time, like normally you

1660
01:10:32,560 --> 01:10:34,160
Speaker 5: win in the United States and you're on the team

1661
01:10:34,160 --> 01:10:35,639
Speaker 5: and you just go to the Olympics. But they changed

1662
01:10:35,640 --> 01:10:37,720
Speaker 5: the rules where you get on the team and then

1663
01:10:37,720 --> 01:10:40,080
Speaker 5: you got to qualify your weight class by doing another

1664
01:10:40,120 --> 01:10:43,400
Speaker 5: tournament and then you can go. I just everything had

1665
01:10:43,479 --> 01:10:46,200
Speaker 5: just like fell into place right on time. And I

1666
01:10:46,240 --> 01:10:49,240
Speaker 5: had just lost my father fresh out the streets. I

1667
01:10:49,400 --> 01:10:51,400
Speaker 5: just gave my life to God, trying to figure it out,

1668
01:10:51,720 --> 01:10:56,439
Speaker 5: got two young kids at home. It was crazy. We

1669
01:10:56,479 --> 01:10:58,120
Speaker 5: had just gone to war in two thousand and four,

1670
01:10:58,439 --> 01:11:00,599
Speaker 5: so we had like a six secret service with us

1671
01:11:00,600 --> 01:11:02,880
Speaker 5: the whole time. Like it was. It was crazy and

1672
01:11:03,400 --> 01:11:05,280
Speaker 5: man to look up and be the last man standing

1673
01:11:05,840 --> 01:11:07,960
Speaker 5: on that podium, you know, it just it's just surreal.

1674
01:11:08,000 --> 01:11:11,840
Speaker 5: But it's that's some were planned since I've been a kid.

1675
01:11:13,520 --> 01:11:16,720
Speaker 5: Like it don't sound normal to normal people, but like

1676
01:11:16,800 --> 01:11:19,000
Speaker 5: for us, like a gold medal was like realistic. We

1677
01:11:19,080 --> 01:11:21,200
Speaker 5: was like, we got eight years, you're gonna win the

1678
01:11:21,200 --> 01:11:25,320
Speaker 5: gold medals, never about bronze or silver, and to like

1679
01:11:25,400 --> 01:11:29,360
Speaker 5: actually do it, and to do it coming off of

1680
01:11:29,400 --> 01:11:31,240
Speaker 5: what I just came off of us. So even my teammates.

1681
01:11:31,240 --> 01:11:32,960
Speaker 5: I was talking to Andre Derill the other day, He's like, bro,

1682
01:11:33,439 --> 01:11:35,120
Speaker 5: now I understand why you was in your room a

1683
01:11:35,160 --> 01:11:37,360
Speaker 5: lot of times reading your Bible. Now I get why

1684
01:11:37,439 --> 01:11:39,200
Speaker 5: you were you wasn't doing certain thing. Now I get

1685
01:11:39,240 --> 01:11:41,759
Speaker 5: why you were so focused. Because he understands the story

1686
01:11:41,960 --> 01:11:45,040
Speaker 5: behind the journey. Now, Like, Bro, I was almost lost

1687
01:11:45,120 --> 01:11:47,599
Speaker 5: my life and a lot of my teammates they young

1688
01:11:48,280 --> 01:11:50,320
Speaker 5: like I was, so they like all they got, you know,

1689
01:11:50,400 --> 01:11:52,200
Speaker 5: they they probably got life going on, but it's really

1690
01:11:52,240 --> 01:11:56,360
Speaker 5: about boxing. Dude, almost lost my life and God gave

1691
01:11:56,439 --> 01:11:58,320
Speaker 5: me a second chance. So you've seen somebody that's a

1692
01:11:58,360 --> 01:12:02,360
Speaker 5: little bit mature and was trying to lock in on

1693
01:12:02,520 --> 01:12:06,920
Speaker 5: God and then't fight for my dream. So I was

1694
01:12:06,960 --> 01:12:09,200
Speaker 5: a little bit different. Now they understand why because they

1695
01:12:09,280 --> 01:12:09,800
Speaker 5: got the story.

1696
01:12:10,439 --> 01:12:11,920
Speaker 3: Did you ever think you're a stunt man?

1697
01:12:13,800 --> 01:12:18,679
Speaker 2: Never? Never pulling stunts and creed? How did that happen?

1698
01:12:18,880 --> 01:12:19,360
Speaker 3: Never? Man?

1699
01:12:19,479 --> 01:12:23,920
Speaker 5: Ryan Coogler, Ryan Coogler, Man, that's my brother. Yeah, Ryan Cooler,

1700
01:12:24,000 --> 01:12:25,960
Speaker 5: that's my brother. We had been hearing about each other.

1701
01:12:26,320 --> 01:12:28,839
Speaker 5: We come from the same you know, we're both from Oakland,

1702
01:12:29,320 --> 01:12:32,240
Speaker 5: and we finally connected and he was like, Bro, I

1703
01:12:32,280 --> 01:12:34,519
Speaker 5: got a roll for you gotta roll like I don't act.

1704
01:12:35,000 --> 01:12:36,680
Speaker 5: He was like, I gotta roll for. He took the bar,

1705
01:12:37,200 --> 01:12:38,960
Speaker 5: which is a train station for us in the Bay Area,

1706
01:12:39,120 --> 01:12:40,960
Speaker 5: all the way to Cheese k Factor. We sat there.

1707
01:12:40,960 --> 01:12:43,200
Speaker 5: He broke down the whole scripting, Like Bro, he said,

1708
01:12:43,200 --> 01:12:45,120
Speaker 5: I had you in mine. Bro. This this person is

1709
01:12:45,479 --> 01:12:49,200
Speaker 5: from Oakland, same career background, gold medal, all this stuff,

1710
01:12:49,680 --> 01:12:53,400
Speaker 5: and man, it's one of the best experiences of my life.

1711
01:12:54,800 --> 01:12:58,320
Speaker 5: Super hard work, those twelve hour days, but it's dope.

1712
01:12:58,439 --> 01:13:02,400
Speaker 5: Like you get your script the night before and you

1713
01:13:02,520 --> 01:13:04,760
Speaker 5: get to your trailer, you got your outfit for that day,

1714
01:13:05,320 --> 01:13:07,640
Speaker 5: you got all these you know, these cast members and

1715
01:13:07,680 --> 01:13:09,600
Speaker 5: all these extras and stuff. They in the arena, so

1716
01:13:09,680 --> 01:13:11,599
Speaker 5: it's like they dressed up like it's a fight night.

1717
01:13:11,920 --> 01:13:14,160
Speaker 5: It's crazy. Like I loved it. Man, I want to

1718
01:13:14,200 --> 01:13:14,800
Speaker 5: do more acting.

1719
01:13:14,960 --> 01:13:16,200
Speaker 3: Speak to his greatness stuff.

1720
01:13:16,720 --> 01:13:16,960
Speaker 1: Man.

1721
01:13:17,479 --> 01:13:20,920
Speaker 5: Man, Ryan Cooler is different, Bro, He's different. When I

1722
01:13:21,040 --> 01:13:23,600
Speaker 5: was on set, I don't know how old Ryan was

1723
01:13:23,640 --> 01:13:25,679
Speaker 5: at that time, but man, he had to be probably

1724
01:13:25,680 --> 01:13:32,040
Speaker 5: in his twenties, you know. And I'm seeing a young

1725
01:13:32,240 --> 01:13:35,040
Speaker 5: dude manage your room with all these middle aged people,

1726
01:13:35,680 --> 01:13:38,400
Speaker 5: different walks of life, different races. I'm seeing him commanded.

1727
01:13:39,200 --> 01:13:40,600
Speaker 5: Then he had slide up on me when I'm in

1728
01:13:40,640 --> 01:13:42,960
Speaker 5: the reing you good, I'm like, I'm good, bro, Like

1729
01:13:43,040 --> 01:13:43,559
Speaker 5: are you Eastern?

1730
01:13:43,640 --> 01:13:43,960
Speaker 2: I'm good?

1731
01:13:44,040 --> 01:13:47,599
Speaker 5: Bro? Like he wasn't shaving, he wasn't cutting his hair, nothing,

1732
01:13:47,600 --> 01:13:49,799
Speaker 5: because like, this is my opportunity. I went from Foodvale

1733
01:13:49,840 --> 01:13:52,400
Speaker 5: station of this, I was giving a Rocky franchise. I

1734
01:13:52,479 --> 01:13:55,280
Speaker 5: can't lose, man. I got so much respect for that dude.

1735
01:13:55,280 --> 01:13:57,559
Speaker 5: He would call me at two in the morning after

1736
01:13:57,640 --> 01:13:58,200
Speaker 5: we shot.

1737
01:13:58,120 --> 01:13:58,800
Speaker 2: Like, Bro, you're good.

1738
01:13:58,960 --> 01:14:01,760
Speaker 5: I'm like, Bro, I'm good. Like why you're not sleep Bro,

1739
01:14:01,840 --> 01:14:03,120
Speaker 5: I'm just trying to make sure you know you're good.

1740
01:14:03,200 --> 01:14:06,160
Speaker 5: But I appreciate what you're doing. I appreciate you. The

1741
01:14:06,280 --> 01:14:10,439
Speaker 5: charisma he has, the mindset he has, and how he moved. Man,

1742
01:14:10,479 --> 01:14:10,960
Speaker 5: it's different.

1743
01:14:11,000 --> 01:14:11,080
Speaker 6: Bro.

1744
01:14:11,200 --> 01:14:13,080
Speaker 5: He very quiet. Bro, but that dude got a wealth

1745
01:14:13,080 --> 01:14:15,880
Speaker 5: of knowledge and he got respect the.

1746
01:14:16,000 --> 01:14:17,400
Speaker 3: Whole the whole room.

1747
01:14:17,479 --> 01:14:19,720
Speaker 5: He commanded respect from the whole room. So what he

1748
01:14:19,800 --> 01:14:22,000
Speaker 5: did with black Panthers and all that stuff, I wasn't surprised.

1749
01:14:22,000 --> 01:14:22,679
Speaker 5: I was just proud.

1750
01:14:23,240 --> 01:14:25,320
Speaker 3: We uh yeah. I got a chance to go up

1751
01:14:25,360 --> 01:14:27,040
Speaker 3: on the Disney lot when he was first shooting the

1752
01:14:27,080 --> 01:14:29,200
Speaker 3: first one, and we just walked around and looked around

1753
01:14:29,240 --> 01:14:31,920
Speaker 3: and there was nobody to look anything like us. He

1754
01:14:32,080 --> 01:14:34,160
Speaker 3: was taking me to the different stages in different spots,

1755
01:14:34,200 --> 01:14:39,439
Speaker 3: and I'm just like, Bro, this is unbelievable, so special.

1756
01:14:39,479 --> 01:14:44,519
Speaker 3: Special dude. Big Warriors fan obviously from the Bay any

1757
01:14:44,560 --> 01:14:47,040
Speaker 3: memorable moments as a Warrior fan.

1758
01:14:47,400 --> 01:14:50,120
Speaker 5: Yeah, Man, you know the whole run they had, you know,

1759
01:14:50,920 --> 01:14:52,880
Speaker 5: when they were still at Oracle Arena in Oakland. Man,

1760
01:14:52,920 --> 01:14:53,880
Speaker 5: I was right there from.

1761
01:14:53,800 --> 01:14:54,240
Speaker 3: Different me.

1762
01:14:55,760 --> 01:14:55,880
Speaker 2: Us.

1763
01:14:58,640 --> 01:15:01,560
Speaker 3: People don't understand though, It's what Oracle used to be

1764
01:15:01,680 --> 01:15:02,320
Speaker 3: about us.

1765
01:15:02,720 --> 01:15:07,800
Speaker 2: What you was around forget come on, forgive me.

1766
01:15:10,439 --> 01:15:13,519
Speaker 3: But Oracle was a character in itself. It was because

1767
01:15:13,520 --> 01:15:15,439
Speaker 3: you could smell the weed at the top of the buildings,

1768
01:15:15,600 --> 01:15:15,960
Speaker 3: like it was.

1769
01:15:16,200 --> 01:15:20,160
Speaker 5: It was different, Bro, I man, Bro, I used to

1770
01:15:20,520 --> 01:15:25,120
Speaker 5: we had all these executives at the fight, HBO, all

1771
01:15:25,160 --> 01:15:30,519
Speaker 5: this stuff, Show time too. And I'm in the locker room. Bro,

1772
01:15:31,920 --> 01:15:35,080
Speaker 5: I'm looking at I looked through the curtain. I'm like, Bro,

1773
01:15:35,240 --> 01:15:36,280
Speaker 5: they hot boxing.

1774
01:15:36,000 --> 01:15:41,439
Speaker 6: The whole, the whole fight, the whole Come on, bro,

1775
01:15:41,640 --> 01:15:45,760
Speaker 6: Like they don't go to tank fights. List don't go

1776
01:15:45,880 --> 01:15:47,160
Speaker 6: to tank I.

1777
01:15:47,240 --> 01:15:50,320
Speaker 5: Was an alliance. Then it's crazy. I'm like, these people

1778
01:15:50,360 --> 01:15:53,519
Speaker 5: looking at us crazy. They came and they supported me,

1779
01:15:55,080 --> 01:15:56,840
Speaker 5: but now they that's why they call it rural though,

1780
01:15:56,880 --> 01:15:59,400
Speaker 5: because it's different. Like a lot of my opponents, what

1781
01:15:59,560 --> 01:16:02,240
Speaker 5: was your tough fight, the fight that you They always

1782
01:16:02,240 --> 01:16:04,320
Speaker 5: go back when I went to Oakland, they just they

1783
01:16:04,400 --> 01:16:08,240
Speaker 5: can't really explain it, but they didn't like it. They

1784
01:16:08,280 --> 01:16:08,760
Speaker 5: didn't like it.

1785
01:16:10,040 --> 01:16:12,479
Speaker 3: Steph Curry intended a few of your fights, got a

1786
01:16:12,560 --> 01:16:14,479
Speaker 3: chance to build a personal relationship that we talked about.

1787
01:16:14,520 --> 01:16:15,639
Speaker 2: Steph good brother.

1788
01:16:15,600 --> 01:16:20,040
Speaker 5: Man, very humble as you know. He just like he's

1789
01:16:20,080 --> 01:16:22,439
Speaker 5: a superstar, you know it just doesn't act like one,

1790
01:16:22,479 --> 01:16:25,880
Speaker 5: which is very very rare, and he keep getting better.

1791
01:16:26,040 --> 01:16:27,680
Speaker 5: I'm just proud of him, man, just the way he

1792
01:16:28,000 --> 01:16:30,360
Speaker 5: has lived his life on and off the court, and

1793
01:16:30,560 --> 01:16:32,240
Speaker 5: uh yeah, it's a beautiful thing to witness.

1794
01:16:32,320 --> 01:16:34,080
Speaker 2: This dad molded him to be who he is.

1795
01:16:34,600 --> 01:16:37,679
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying, He's exactly who he's supposed

1796
01:16:37,680 --> 01:16:40,559
Speaker 4: to be because his dad is such a stand up guy.

1797
01:16:40,840 --> 01:16:42,920
Speaker 2: His dad was wasn't an All star, wasn't one of

1798
01:16:42,920 --> 01:16:43,960
Speaker 2: the best. He was one of the best.

1799
01:16:43,840 --> 01:16:46,760
Speaker 4: Shooters, but the guy he was everybody respecting. You know

1800
01:16:46,760 --> 01:16:48,559
Speaker 4: what I'm saying, step is the same way. I'm well

1801
01:16:48,600 --> 01:16:49,800
Speaker 4: put you on the spot. Before we get to these

1802
01:16:49,880 --> 01:16:53,679
Speaker 4: quick hitters. Top three NBA players of all time.

1803
01:16:53,920 --> 01:16:58,680
Speaker 5: Oh, I ain't gonna say no order, just give me

1804
01:16:58,720 --> 01:17:02,439
Speaker 5: three for me, Jordan for thank you, Magic for sure,

1805
01:17:03,800 --> 01:17:09,200
Speaker 5: and uh man, I need you one more. I love

1806
01:17:09,240 --> 01:17:10,120
Speaker 5: Reggie Miller.

1807
01:17:10,680 --> 01:17:18,040
Speaker 2: Okay, this is the odd three we've ever heard. History said,

1808
01:17:18,040 --> 01:17:19,479
Speaker 2: We've never heard that three before. This is the first

1809
01:17:19,479 --> 01:17:20,920
Speaker 2: time we heard that those three guys.

1810
01:17:21,760 --> 01:17:23,800
Speaker 5: Reggie don't Reggie don't get shouted out or notough.

1811
01:17:24,520 --> 01:17:29,280
Speaker 3: Reggie doesn't have a championship because our dumbass. Yeah, but

1812
01:17:29,320 --> 01:17:31,000
Speaker 3: I'm saying that's why he don't have a championship because

1813
01:17:31,000 --> 01:17:31,160
Speaker 3: of us.

1814
01:17:31,200 --> 01:17:33,840
Speaker 5: But he was a killer in Christ truth respect.

1815
01:17:35,720 --> 01:17:36,920
Speaker 2: Not much competitor.

1816
01:17:37,200 --> 01:17:37,439
Speaker 3: Dog.

1817
01:17:38,320 --> 01:17:38,519
Speaker 5: Nah.

1818
01:17:38,560 --> 01:17:41,160
Speaker 3: He wanted the ones from Meggie, is that no question?

1819
01:17:41,240 --> 01:17:43,920
Speaker 5: He wanted the ones from me for sure. Oh, Gary Payton.

1820
01:17:44,360 --> 01:17:46,200
Speaker 3: Town business the glove.

1821
01:17:46,320 --> 01:17:48,120
Speaker 4: I gotta talk to GP because I saw something that

1822
01:17:48,200 --> 01:17:51,320
Speaker 4: bothered me recently. Vernon Maxwell say he knocked him out

1823
01:17:51,400 --> 01:17:54,960
Speaker 4: in practice. Was there he didn knock him out? He

1824
01:17:54,960 --> 01:17:59,439
Speaker 4: said he knocked him out. Okay, all right, it was

1825
01:17:59,680 --> 01:18:03,120
Speaker 4: he put something on it. He got off, all right,

1826
01:18:03,200 --> 01:18:05,040
Speaker 4: quick hitters. First thing to come to mind, let us know,

1827
01:18:05,040 --> 01:18:07,240
Speaker 4: if you can sit ring sided any fight in history,

1828
01:18:07,360 --> 01:18:10,120
Speaker 4: which one would it be and why they gotta be

1829
01:18:10,640 --> 01:18:14,040
Speaker 4: like any fight ever that actually happened.

1830
01:18:15,680 --> 01:18:21,760
Speaker 5: Mm mmmm Sugary Robinson fight. He had one hundred and something,

1831
01:18:21,840 --> 01:18:25,320
Speaker 5: so pick one. But Sugar Robinson, it's different.

1832
01:18:25,880 --> 01:18:30,240
Speaker 4: True a true boxer, Sugar to say that, because like

1833
01:18:30,400 --> 01:18:32,280
Speaker 4: anybody else would have said something, fight that we all.

1834
01:18:32,280 --> 01:18:36,040
Speaker 5: Know, Sugar, I want to see what rings like? What

1835
01:18:36,160 --> 01:18:36,600
Speaker 5: that looked like?

1836
01:18:36,800 --> 01:18:38,639
Speaker 3: Yeah, top five box all time?

1837
01:18:38,960 --> 01:18:42,000
Speaker 5: Man, y'all out here, make let me work today. I'm

1838
01:18:42,000 --> 01:18:45,920
Speaker 5: gonna give you my big three, Roy, Bernard, Floyd. I'm

1839
01:18:45,920 --> 01:18:46,759
Speaker 5: gonna say Ali.

1840
01:18:46,600 --> 01:18:48,960
Speaker 3: And Robinson easy enough.

1841
01:18:49,400 --> 01:18:50,360
Speaker 2: I thought I was gonna say.

1842
01:18:51,360 --> 01:18:54,080
Speaker 5: Hey, I got on my wall in my house. I

1843
01:18:54,240 --> 01:18:58,280
Speaker 5: respect it. But I'm gonna say but I'm gonna give

1844
01:18:58,360 --> 01:19:00,720
Speaker 5: my my three in my era. And then I gave

1845
01:19:00,800 --> 01:19:01,439
Speaker 5: y'all to just.

1846
01:19:01,720 --> 01:19:05,320
Speaker 3: All all time. I get it fight night or training camp, rotation.

1847
01:19:05,400 --> 01:19:06,439
Speaker 3: Three artists you're messing with.

1848
01:19:06,840 --> 01:19:08,920
Speaker 5: I don't know if y'all know the Cray Yeah, come on,

1849
01:19:09,080 --> 01:19:15,240
Speaker 5: gospel rapp Dodshi my boy KB Yeah, gospel rapper and

1850
01:19:15,520 --> 01:19:21,320
Speaker 5: uh and the Truth the Truth he from Philly, another

1851
01:19:21,360 --> 01:19:22,200
Speaker 5: gospel rapper. Yeah.

1852
01:19:22,840 --> 01:19:25,960
Speaker 3: Something you wish you were better at anything, don't even

1853
01:19:25,960 --> 01:19:28,320
Speaker 3: have to be boxing related. Man.

1854
01:19:28,320 --> 01:19:31,360
Speaker 5: I wish I could sing, Wish I could hold a

1855
01:19:31,439 --> 01:19:32,000
Speaker 5: note blow.

1856
01:19:32,160 --> 01:19:34,400
Speaker 3: Ye, God knew not how to let me sing. Boy,

1857
01:19:34,960 --> 01:19:37,280
Speaker 3: I would have been sucking the mother if I could say.

1858
01:19:37,560 --> 01:19:41,160
Speaker 2: It really wouldn't have been fab Yeah, boy, you really

1859
01:19:41,240 --> 01:19:41,400
Speaker 2: been on.

1860
01:19:43,320 --> 01:19:45,560
Speaker 3: I would have my hair weather pause because I'd be

1861
01:19:45,640 --> 01:19:46,320
Speaker 3: shaking my ship.

1862
01:19:47,200 --> 01:19:47,639
Speaker 2: You could sing.

1863
01:19:47,920 --> 01:19:52,360
Speaker 3: If I could sing, I would hold a note five

1864
01:19:52,439 --> 01:19:53,760
Speaker 3: din against that are alive.

1865
01:19:53,680 --> 01:19:55,200
Speaker 5: Holly Robinson.

1866
01:19:55,880 --> 01:20:02,200
Speaker 3: Uh my daddy m m yes.

1867
01:20:04,760 --> 01:20:07,760
Speaker 5: At this point in life and talk through it. Yeah,

1868
01:20:09,080 --> 01:20:10,679
Speaker 5: my grandfather, we called him dad.

1869
01:20:12,520 --> 01:20:13,040
Speaker 2: And uh.

1870
01:20:14,760 --> 01:20:15,240
Speaker 5: Mm hmmm.

1871
01:20:15,520 --> 01:20:18,080
Speaker 4: We'll come back to that one doing during this interview

1872
01:20:18,080 --> 01:20:21,519
Speaker 4: that I'm not. I wasn't the Hall of Famer and

1873
01:20:21,640 --> 01:20:24,000
Speaker 4: the and the superstar and my sport as you are

1874
01:20:24,080 --> 01:20:27,280
Speaker 4: on yours. But during this interview I realized we were

1875
01:20:27,360 --> 01:20:30,000
Speaker 4: like we more like than I thought we were. Yeah,

1876
01:20:30,160 --> 01:20:32,599
Speaker 4: especially the way we think about our family, how much

1877
01:20:32,640 --> 01:20:34,479
Speaker 4: we care about like the father and all that type

1878
01:20:34,479 --> 01:20:34,760
Speaker 4: of stuff.

1879
01:20:34,760 --> 01:20:37,679
Speaker 3: Like all that stuff resonate with me. So I'm glad.

1880
01:20:37,760 --> 01:20:38,439
Speaker 3: I'm glad you came.

1881
01:20:38,479 --> 01:20:38,559
Speaker 2: Bro.

1882
01:20:38,800 --> 01:20:40,080
Speaker 3: We more like than I thought. You want to get.

1883
01:20:43,040 --> 01:20:43,439
Speaker 2: M hm.

1884
01:20:44,080 --> 01:20:45,479
Speaker 3: One guess you would like to see on all the

1885
01:20:45,520 --> 01:20:46,400
Speaker 3: smoke real quick?

1886
01:20:46,439 --> 01:20:48,920
Speaker 5: Probably my probably my uh my fifth one will probably

1887
01:20:48,920 --> 01:20:49,920
Speaker 5: be my grandmother.

1888
01:20:49,640 --> 01:20:52,679
Speaker 3: Grandmother three family, two boxes grandmother.

1889
01:20:53,439 --> 01:20:55,040
Speaker 2: If you if you can see one guess on all

1890
01:20:55,080 --> 01:20:55,920
Speaker 2: the smoke, who would it be?

1891
01:20:56,320 --> 01:20:57,559
Speaker 5: Y'all said y'all had roy already.

1892
01:20:57,760 --> 01:20:59,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I'm gonna interrupt real quick because we named

1893
01:21:00,080 --> 01:21:02,679
Speaker 3: three heavy hitters on this show tonight that you cool

1894
01:21:02,720 --> 01:21:04,880
Speaker 3: with the guy to put the shoes on your feet.

1895
01:21:04,880 --> 01:21:07,759
Speaker 3: I didn't finish the question though, the manager, the manager

1896
01:21:07,800 --> 01:21:10,880
Speaker 3: of Rock Nations, and the little homie from the Bay. Yeah,

1897
01:21:11,120 --> 01:21:12,320
Speaker 3: so go, but finish the question.

1898
01:21:12,360 --> 01:21:12,599
Speaker 2: My bad.

1899
01:21:12,600 --> 01:21:15,400
Speaker 3: I interrupted. But before you answer your question, you have

1900
01:21:15,520 --> 01:21:16,719
Speaker 3: to help us get your.

1901
01:21:16,600 --> 01:21:17,519
Speaker 2: Answer on our show.

1902
01:21:18,000 --> 01:21:22,960
Speaker 3: So it's got to be somebody on your phone. Be moved, bro, No,

1903
01:21:23,080 --> 01:21:24,840
Speaker 3: so I did. I did something different with him, But yeah,

1904
01:21:24,840 --> 01:21:25,920
Speaker 3: I've been I've been trying to get him.

1905
01:21:29,280 --> 01:21:30,000
Speaker 2: I ain't been on here.

1906
01:21:30,240 --> 01:21:35,479
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, that's crazy episode I did. I did to

1907
01:21:35,520 --> 01:21:36,559
Speaker 3: sit down with him. He dope.

1908
01:21:36,920 --> 01:21:37,400
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's my.

1909
01:21:39,200 --> 01:21:44,280
Speaker 3: Best moved shout out to all right last one childhood crush.

1910
01:21:44,479 --> 01:21:47,240
Speaker 3: We can't let you go home without this one man. Yeah,

1911
01:21:47,280 --> 01:21:49,160
Speaker 3: and whoever sending him his boxes. I ain't had a

1912
01:21:49,240 --> 01:21:50,360
Speaker 3: box and fold months.

1913
01:21:50,640 --> 01:21:53,439
Speaker 4: They're trying to tell you. They've been trying to tell

1914
01:21:53,479 --> 01:21:54,760
Speaker 4: me for the last couple of years. But I've been

1915
01:21:54,760 --> 01:21:57,080
Speaker 4: threatening people, so maybe my threats ain't working.

1916
01:21:57,160 --> 01:22:01,679
Speaker 2: No more. Got a letting people for shoes and yeah,

1917
01:22:01,680 --> 01:22:02,640
Speaker 2: I did most of them.

1918
01:22:02,920 --> 01:22:04,479
Speaker 5: I'm gonna tell you how I'm about to I'm about

1919
01:22:04,479 --> 01:22:08,439
Speaker 5: to spend this one. Me and my wife, we married,

1920
01:22:08,479 --> 01:22:11,080
Speaker 5: we married young, we met young and married young. So

1921
01:22:11,240 --> 01:22:14,600
Speaker 5: his wife wife is my childhood crush. I respect that

1922
01:22:14,960 --> 01:22:20,320
Speaker 5: because when I seen her, It's like, who's that? And uh,

1923
01:22:20,600 --> 01:22:21,320
Speaker 5: she was different.

1924
01:22:21,720 --> 01:22:24,800
Speaker 3: She was different from the bank. She from Seattle, Okay.

1925
01:22:25,640 --> 01:22:29,080
Speaker 5: And it's crazy because it was like it was a

1926
01:22:29,120 --> 01:22:30,880
Speaker 5: bunch of people around. I had just went to go

1927
01:22:31,000 --> 01:22:32,599
Speaker 5: visit my brother for the first time because he moved

1928
01:22:32,640 --> 01:22:34,519
Speaker 5: from the Bay Area to Seattle. So I went and

1929
01:22:34,600 --> 01:22:36,960
Speaker 5: visiting him as his birthday. They was getting lit out

1930
01:22:36,960 --> 01:22:38,439
Speaker 5: of h out of school and they was in high

1931
01:22:38,439 --> 01:22:40,560
Speaker 5: school at that time. We always in high school. And

1932
01:22:40,640 --> 01:22:46,120
Speaker 5: I'm like, who is that? And like I hadne had crushes,

1933
01:22:46,320 --> 01:22:49,640
Speaker 5: but like she was different. Like so when I seen her,

1934
01:22:50,360 --> 01:22:52,240
Speaker 5: I liked her. When I talked to her, I really

1935
01:22:52,400 --> 01:22:57,120
Speaker 5: liked her. And I knew without even fully knowing how

1936
01:22:57,200 --> 01:22:59,800
Speaker 5: that how it was going to happen, if it should happen,

1937
01:23:00,040 --> 01:23:02,720
Speaker 5: how it's gonna happen. Man, I want to be with her.

1938
01:23:03,640 --> 01:23:05,320
Speaker 5: And to this day, bro believe it or not, Man,

1939
01:23:05,400 --> 01:23:08,400
Speaker 5: twenty years we've probably been together twenty two, been married

1940
01:23:08,439 --> 01:23:11,840
Speaker 5: twenty Man, I still got that same love for that girl,

1941
01:23:12,520 --> 01:23:15,479
Speaker 5: same love, and I tease her all the time. I'm like, yeah,

1942
01:23:15,479 --> 01:23:17,280
Speaker 5: I got the girl like I got. I got the

1943
01:23:17,400 --> 01:23:20,479
Speaker 5: girl that I wanted. So I got to shout my wife,

1944
01:23:20,560 --> 01:23:22,479
Speaker 5: our man to me, and I got to shout her out.

1945
01:23:22,560 --> 01:23:22,680
Speaker 2: Man.

1946
01:23:23,320 --> 01:23:25,040
Speaker 5: You know, I get a lot of the interviews and

1947
01:23:25,120 --> 01:23:27,400
Speaker 5: a lot of the press and stuff like that, but

1948
01:23:27,560 --> 01:23:31,280
Speaker 5: she's one of the main reasons why I'm still standing

1949
01:23:31,840 --> 01:23:35,280
Speaker 5: doing what I'm doing. And man, she a soldier. Man,

1950
01:23:35,320 --> 01:23:37,080
Speaker 5: I love my wife cause she ain't no scary wife either,

1951
01:23:37,160 --> 01:23:41,040
Speaker 5: Like she not closing her eyes at ringside, like giddy

1952
01:23:41,120 --> 01:23:44,760
Speaker 5: giddy back. And I can't tell you the amount of

1953
01:23:44,800 --> 01:23:46,720
Speaker 5: stuff even to this day that I bring home to her.

1954
01:23:47,479 --> 01:23:49,280
Speaker 5: But I'm trying to talk through it then through it.

1955
01:23:49,840 --> 01:23:54,599
Speaker 5: And man, she's solid, bro, she's so wise. And man,

1956
01:23:54,640 --> 01:23:56,920
Speaker 5: I got the girl that I want her good.

1957
01:23:56,840 --> 01:23:57,759
Speaker 3: Man is a great woman.

1958
01:23:58,920 --> 01:23:59,920
Speaker 5: I'm grateful for my wife.

1959
01:24:00,880 --> 01:24:03,920
Speaker 3: Well man, thank you. We appreciate your man for someone

1960
01:24:03,960 --> 01:24:06,040
Speaker 3: who to me, I felt like, really didn't get the

1961
01:24:06,160 --> 01:24:09,200
Speaker 3: respect that you deserve. But it's just like, to me,

1962
01:24:09,439 --> 01:24:11,200
Speaker 3: after this interview, none of that shit mattered to you.

1963
01:24:11,280 --> 01:24:14,160
Speaker 3: You know, your path was what was planned out and

1964
01:24:14,640 --> 01:24:17,320
Speaker 3: you made it work. And the transition you made, although

1965
01:24:17,600 --> 01:24:19,559
Speaker 3: now we know it was tough, you made the transition

1966
01:24:19,640 --> 01:24:23,479
Speaker 3: look seamless into your next, you know path. So Man,

1967
01:24:23,520 --> 01:24:25,800
Speaker 3: we appreciate your time, we appreciate having you, and best

1968
01:24:25,840 --> 01:24:26,080
Speaker 3: of luck.

1969
01:24:26,160 --> 01:24:27,800
Speaker 5: Bro Man, I appreciate you. But I'm gonna say one

1970
01:24:27,880 --> 01:24:29,920
Speaker 5: last thing before I go. You know, I know a

1971
01:24:30,000 --> 01:24:31,960
Speaker 5: lot of people, and I know it's really because they

1972
01:24:32,360 --> 01:24:34,639
Speaker 5: rock with me and they support me, and I appreciate

1973
01:24:34,760 --> 01:24:37,000
Speaker 5: that when they say I didn't get the respect that

1974
01:24:37,040 --> 01:24:39,680
Speaker 5: I deserve, I really did, though you think so from

1975
01:24:39,720 --> 01:24:43,960
Speaker 5: the right ones. Yeah, And what I didn't get it

1976
01:24:44,080 --> 01:24:49,040
Speaker 5: wasn't mine. And I truly believe that that. You know,

1977
01:24:49,200 --> 01:24:51,600
Speaker 5: God blessed me, you know, in many different ways. Just

1978
01:24:51,800 --> 01:24:53,960
Speaker 5: I'm just gonna use boxing through the boxing game. But

1979
01:24:54,080 --> 01:24:55,680
Speaker 5: he he ain't let me fall in love with it

1980
01:24:55,760 --> 01:24:58,200
Speaker 5: so much that when it was time to walk away,

1981
01:24:58,200 --> 01:25:01,080
Speaker 5: I couldn't walk away. So he me get my taste

1982
01:25:01,160 --> 01:25:03,880
Speaker 5: and and and you know, he let me get my

1983
01:25:04,000 --> 01:25:06,080
Speaker 5: love and stuff like that, and it's and it's worldwide.

1984
01:25:06,600 --> 01:25:09,360
Speaker 5: But he also blocked me too and didn't let me

1985
01:25:09,400 --> 01:25:10,760
Speaker 5: get so much that when it was trying to walk,

1986
01:25:10,760 --> 01:25:12,760
Speaker 5: I couldn't walk. So I'm at peace with what I did.

1987
01:25:12,840 --> 01:25:14,720
Speaker 5: I'm at peace with what I received, and I'm at

1988
01:25:14,720 --> 01:25:16,439
Speaker 5: peaceful what I with what I didn't receive.

1989
01:25:16,640 --> 01:25:19,320
Speaker 3: Beautiful. I see you got your lineup on point in

1990
01:25:19,439 --> 01:25:22,120
Speaker 3: this motherfucking cover right here? Where can everybody get.

1991
01:25:22,439 --> 01:25:25,960
Speaker 5: I gotta shout my boy out of barber he in Vegas.

1992
01:25:26,160 --> 01:25:29,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, boy is winning right here. And I'm not talking

1993
01:25:29,720 --> 01:25:32,599
Speaker 3: about the book. I'm talking about the hair. Where where

1994
01:25:32,600 --> 01:25:33,800
Speaker 3: can everybody get your book at? Right now?

1995
01:25:33,880 --> 01:25:35,920
Speaker 5: You get the book anywhere? Books you show, uh, you

1996
01:25:36,080 --> 01:25:39,960
Speaker 5: let your bookstore, Barnes and Nobles, you can Amazon, you

1997
01:25:40,080 --> 01:25:40,320
Speaker 5: name it.

1998
01:25:41,040 --> 01:25:43,760
Speaker 3: I'm gonna keep this one. I'm gonna keep this one.

1999
01:25:43,840 --> 01:25:46,360
Speaker 5: And the audio you get the audio or the physical copy.

2000
01:25:46,680 --> 01:25:47,000
Speaker 2: D man.

2001
01:25:47,040 --> 01:25:48,880
Speaker 3: We appreciate your time, time, brother, I appreciate you.

2002
01:25:49,080 --> 01:25:49,519
Speaker 2: Man. Man.

2003
01:25:49,560 --> 01:25:52,479
Speaker 3: That's a wrap. Andre Ward and so g the new

2004
01:25:52,600 --> 01:25:55,880
Speaker 3: all the smoke you I don't even know where you

2005
01:25:56,000 --> 01:25:56,280
Speaker 3: catch this?

2006
01:25:56,400 --> 01:25:56,479
Speaker 6: Now?

2007
01:25:56,479 --> 01:25:57,280
Speaker 3: Where you catching is that?

2008
01:25:58,720 --> 01:25:59,880
Speaker 2: It's not? Is it?

2009
01:26:00,360 --> 01:26:02,000
Speaker 3: Is it? So YouTube?

2010
01:26:03,160 --> 01:26:05,120
Speaker 2: We ain't got to say that no more? Manus now

2011
01:26:05,200 --> 01:26:06,920
Speaker 2: yeah we owners now I gotta say.

2012
01:26:06,840 --> 01:26:09,000
Speaker 3: That all the other boy catch us on YouTube, you know,

2013
01:26:09,680 --> 01:26:11,880
Speaker 3: we're gonna be where we're at with a little bit

2014
01:26:11,960 --> 01:26:14,679
Speaker 3: more money this time. Man. We'll see y'all next week.