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Speaker 1: So it's from the Edge of the Deep Green Sea
Speaker 1: Air Day Dctumber twelve, two five. The synopsis here is
Speaker 1: that it's the end of Summer party, the famous end
Speaker 1: of Summer party on the b each Nathan comes home
Speaker 1: from High Flyers, but he doesn't tell Haley and he
Speaker 1: still doesn't know where he stands on their marriage. Lucas
Speaker 1: makes a convincing statement to Brooke, and Peyton finds out
Speaker 1: Ellie is using drugs again or still Dan thinks he
Speaker 1: realizes who left him in the fire. Dan plays detective Um.
Speaker 1: This is a great episode. Tim is back, Peyton is
Speaker 1: the worst DJ ever. We have some great stuff with
Speaker 1: Kevin Kilner. It's great, let's go. I love this episode.
Speaker 1: I love like people ask all the time, like what's
Speaker 1: your favorite episode you guys have ever done? And I
Speaker 1: never think of this one? Why don't I ever think
Speaker 1: of this one? Because it was a long time ago.
Speaker 1: It was just hard. It's impossible to remember all of them.
Speaker 1: But that's what's so great about watching these shows back
Speaker 1: is being able to remember. So now we've got some
Speaker 1: answers for people when it's like it's reconnecting memories and
Speaker 1: there's so much sense memory in this Yeah, we all
Speaker 1: we all knew Haley's outfit was coming, and knew the
Speaker 1: beach bonfire was this big moment. We were so excited
Speaker 1: when the episode started. Oh my god, the doors and
Speaker 1: then I didn't even know I lit the bonfire. Of
Speaker 1: all the things I remembered about this episode, I was like, wait,
Speaker 1: it's me I did. It's crazy. It's like we were
Speaker 1: remembering our favorite things and then genuinely finding all the
Speaker 1: things we forgot. We had discoveries this episode. First of all,
Speaker 1: I noticed when like Brooke and Lucas are kissing in
Speaker 1: the house or in the apartment, and the Hayley walks
Speaker 1: in and she's like making all these snide comments. I'm like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, it's Joy. Like they just decided, They're like,
Speaker 1: we're just going to script Hayley as joined now and
Speaker 1: these like zigger friends are just flying off. And it's
Speaker 1: such good writing for you in this episode because you
Speaker 1: go from being like, you know, the funny one liner
Speaker 1: friend to having to do some real heavy lifting with
Speaker 1: the Nathan, like the deep Nathan talk and like chasing
Speaker 1: him the entire episode. I think I'm chasing him for
Speaker 1: longer than this episode. I think that this keeps going
Speaker 1: for a while. And it's really hard to watch. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: oh my god with Hilary. When you looked at Joy
Speaker 1: and that scene at the end, you go you can't
Speaker 1: blame him or whatever you say. I was like, oh god,
Speaker 1: it hurts to be on the receiving end of that anger.
Speaker 1: But it's interesting to see and you start to realize
Speaker 1: it watching the episode, and then you know, you realize
Speaker 1: you're on the same page as the writers. When Haley
Speaker 1: and Lucas literally wind up standing together. They're having a
Speaker 1: similar experience trying to earn back the love of the
Speaker 1: people they've hurt. And it's so beautiful to watch the
Speaker 1: parallels because everyone in a way I was trying to
Speaker 1: figure out how to reclaim that intimate territory, even Peyton
Speaker 1: and Ellie. Ellie's trying to get back in and it. God,
Speaker 1: the episode is just really well done. Kevin Dowling. I
Speaker 1: loved his shots, loved his transitions. He you know what's great.
Speaker 1: Some of my favorite things about good directors is that
Speaker 1: you don't feel the direction. There's a difference between somebody
Speaker 1: who's who's maybe new or I guess new or season
Speaker 1: doesn't really necessarily make a difference. It's more someone who
Speaker 1: knows how to get out of the way. They're just
Speaker 1: showing you the story without trying to show off like
Speaker 1: fancy camera moves or you know, you can the market.
Speaker 1: One of the marks of a really good director is
Speaker 1: someone who can do with the fancy stuff without the
Speaker 1: audience noticing that it's being done. Yeah, and I felt
Speaker 1: a lot of that. Well, just the shot from Dan's
Speaker 1: Dan's fire to Sophiel holding the torch at the beach
Speaker 1: party was masterful. Yeah, yeah, I thought so too. I
Speaker 1: really liked it. Yeah, it was a lot of beautiful
Speaker 1: camera work, but it fits so well, the transitions, the movement.
Speaker 1: It was in flow, and so even the shots that
Speaker 1: were fancy didn't jump out at you because you were
Speaker 1: on the right. The shots are fancy, like a fancy shot.
Speaker 1: Um I okay. I want to start talking a little
Speaker 1: bit about the Peyton and and her dad and Larry relationship.
Speaker 1: I just loved Kevin Kilner in this episode. I love
Speaker 1: him more and more every time we see him. And
Speaker 1: you know, as much as we loved Thomas, you know,
Speaker 1: we we have the situation that we have and we're
Speaker 1: I'm so grateful that we got Kevin Kilner because he's
Speaker 1: such a strong actor. But he also brings this really
Speaker 1: um what's the word I'm looking for. He brings this
Speaker 1: dad ad energy that's like the dad you want. He's protective,
Speaker 1: he's showing up. He's so loving and engaged, but he
Speaker 1: doesn't take any and it's it's very grounded. Kevin Kilner
Speaker 1: built an intimacy with you that really looks like a
Speaker 1: father and a daughter. It doesn't look like a guy
Speaker 1: playing a dad. He feels like your dad and you.
Speaker 1: What I love seeing about you and your scenes with him,
Speaker 1: Hillary is that because Peyton finally has a real parental figure,
Speaker 1: you don't have to act like the grown up in
Speaker 1: the room. We see Peyton as a teenage girl who
Speaker 1: is hurt and scared and angsty and breaking. She doesn't
Speaker 1: know where to put a feelings. It's like, you look
Speaker 1: so young because you've got a real dad to play off.
Speaker 1: I hate watching TV shows where parents are just all
Speaker 1: shucks and super cute see with the kids because it
Speaker 1: sets up a false expectation. When I see it on TV.
Speaker 1: Even my kids are watching TV, I'm like, bullsh Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know that's not love. Also, when the kids are
Speaker 1: super disrespectful to their parents, are throwing a fit or
Speaker 1: having a heart even I wouldn't say Peyton was throwing
Speaker 1: a fit but having going through a rough moment, but
Speaker 1: like the parents, and a lot of these shows are like, oh, well,
Speaker 1: I guess I'll get out of the way and let
Speaker 1: you have. Like to have a parent that turns around
Speaker 1: and shows up and says I care enough about you
Speaker 1: to to acknowledge the fact that you are acting like this,
Speaker 1: that you're being disrespectful, that you're misbehaving. You know, I
Speaker 1: love you, and you have to look at the bigger
Speaker 1: picture besides just what you see in front of you.
Speaker 1: Right now, we need parents like that. Yeah, Tantrum is
Speaker 1: a part of the human experience, whether you're an infant
Speaker 1: or you're a teenager and you're acting out, or you're
Speaker 1: an adult and you're still relying on the same coping
Speaker 1: mechanisms who use as a child, like we all tantrum.
Speaker 1: I have been in tantrum in the last week just
Speaker 1: because I'm like, man, this isn't going my way, um,
Speaker 1: And it is so important for the people that love
Speaker 1: you to be able to show up and communicate clearly
Speaker 1: with you. And Larry's doing that, and even Kilner so
Speaker 1: quickly earned my respect because he was like a New
Speaker 1: York guy. He was like a theater actor and he
Speaker 1: had these chops and just like immediately put me on
Speaker 1: my heels and he was like, watch what I can do. However,
Speaker 1: the thing we all talked about while watching this was
Speaker 1: I cannot separate him from Greenberg right now, like like
Speaker 1: it has ruined any Jake crush that I had because
Speaker 1: I am seeing dad Larry just like, oh no, they're
Speaker 1: the same person. And the whole time I'm watching Larry
Speaker 1: reprimand Peyton and be like, don't you dare like question
Speaker 1: the judgments that we made. You don't know, Ellie, she's
Speaker 1: a drug addict. She's dangerous. My job is to protect you.
Speaker 1: That woman is a threat. All I can do is
Speaker 1: here Jake talking to sixteen seventeen year old Jenny being like,
Speaker 1: you don't know what I know about your mother? Do
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Like? Yes, And I think
Speaker 1: Kevin Kilner when we filmed this is very close in
Speaker 1: age to how Greenberg is now and just the similarities are.
Speaker 1: It's wild. And you know, I love that they gave
Speaker 1: him that moment with you of saying, one day you're
Speaker 1: going to be a grown up and you're not going
Speaker 1: to have all the answers either, Because we do, especially
Speaker 1: when we're young and we don't know yet that our
Speaker 1: parents are just people trying to figure it out. We
Speaker 1: lionize them. We assume they know everything. We we looked
Speaker 1: to them like we did when we were little, like
Speaker 1: you keep me alive, and then as you get you
Speaker 1: keep me alive, you must know everything? And then Wow.
Speaker 1: And then you know, you get older and you're like, oh,
Speaker 1: are you as confused as me? And they let you
Speaker 1: take a baby home from the hospital really sing you
Speaker 1: realize nobody knows what they're doing. And and I love
Speaker 1: that in that moment of hurt and anger and confusion
Speaker 1: for her, he in his own anger and in his
Speaker 1: own defense of her mother is saying like, you'll be
Speaker 1: the person who doesn't know the right thing to do someday. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I thought that was beautiful. It's kind of the secret
Speaker 1: to life, I think in a lot of ways, and
Speaker 1: realizing hitting that moment where you realize, oh, nobody has
Speaker 1: all the answers. That's that is the thing, is that
Speaker 1: we're all just trying to figure it out. And yeah,
Speaker 1: as kids, you look to your parents as these are
Speaker 1: the people who have and and that has to exist
Speaker 1: to some degree. There have to be structure and boundaries.
Speaker 1: You can't just be a free for all for kids.
Speaker 1: But to be able to have that realization moment which
Speaker 1: happens for a lot of us in high school and
Speaker 1: college and you go, oh, okay, but have you guys
Speaker 1: experienced that in real life now? Because because I'm living
Speaker 1: this parallel all universe from when we were on the show.
Speaker 1: Remember when we were playing teenagers and we had older
Speaker 1: women like Jojo and Kelly Jefferson, our makeup artist, and
Speaker 1: Jane back in wardrobe, and these women who were a
Speaker 1: little bit older than us telling us like be nice
Speaker 1: to each other, be a good like sister friend, like
Speaker 1: show up, you know, Like they were like giving us
Speaker 1: all this advice. And they were just like, it's not
Speaker 1: that bad. Y'all are so melodramatic, and they were. They
Speaker 1: were telling us. I mean, I remember Jojo telling us like,
Speaker 1: we're shorter skirts while your legs still look good, you know,
Speaker 1: And so they're like giving us. She was like, you're
Speaker 1: gonna want this on film, you know, and showed up, babe.
Speaker 1: So we had that your mama gave you. We had
Speaker 1: these They weren't parental figures, but they were certainly people
Speaker 1: that we looked to and trusted. Right, I've got all
Speaker 1: these like girls and like actually just young people in
Speaker 1: their early twenties right now that I'm working with, and
Speaker 1: I hear myself saying all the same things. It's just
Speaker 1: this like constant cycle of Joe Joe is ms and
Speaker 1: just like you know, on repeat, I wonder, like I
Speaker 1: wonder what the next cycle is, Like I don't know
Speaker 1: what the next cycle is. Who are we looking to
Speaker 1: right now that we're going to be in fifteen twenty years?
Speaker 1: I don't know. Is it all the women who just
Speaker 1: don't care anymore? They just maybe that joy like fingers crossed,
Speaker 1: like let's just let's go be real. It's funny like
Speaker 1: when you say who are we looking to? Like I
Speaker 1: think about women in my life who, yeah, are in
Speaker 1: that bracket above us, who I'm watching do such interesting
Speaker 1: things with their personal brand of leadership. Like I had
Speaker 1: Kirsten Jilla Brand on the podcast a couple of years ago,
Speaker 1: and like it's weird to me that I can text
Speaker 1: the state senator, but like I have questions about things
Speaker 1: going on in America and I'm like, hey, run, can
Speaker 1: I ask you something? And she's such a badass and
Speaker 1: she's just like, well, we could propose a bill, we
Speaker 1: could solve it this way, and here's the thing. And
Speaker 1: and to see this woman who is, you know, a mentor,
Speaker 1: she's on that cusp like Jojo and all those ladies
Speaker 1: were of being a mentor and a friend, you know,
Speaker 1: And I just watched her like lead a state and
Speaker 1: be a great mom and and lean into serving people.
Speaker 1: And then you know, you flip it, like in our
Speaker 1: own industry and you look at what Rhese Witherspoon is
Speaker 1: built with her production company, and she was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I was arguable, in arguably one of the most successful
Speaker 1: actresses in the industry and couldn't get jobs that were
Speaker 1: interesting and everyone was demeaning to women, and so I
Speaker 1: just made cool shows about women. And so I love
Speaker 1: being able to look at those women who are just
Speaker 1: like ten to fifteen years ahead of us, and they're
Speaker 1: nailing it, and I'm like, yeah, we're gonna be fine,
Speaker 1: But they also still don't have the answers you know, like,
Speaker 1: well he does. Yeah. It's it's that realization. It's like
Speaker 1: when you're a little kid, when you're a little like
Speaker 1: teenager baby, you think you're supposed to have them, and
Speaker 1: you get really paranoid that you don't, and then you're
Speaker 1: in your twenties and you're like, but where are they.
Speaker 1: I'm still looking, and then you hit our age and
Speaker 1: you're like, oh, oh, I should have listened, Like they're nowhere.
Speaker 1: They're missed. I think it just breathed. Then it once
Speaker 1: you hit that point where we're at now, maybe it
Speaker 1: just breeds. That's the where it breeds the confidence to go,
Speaker 1: oh well, then I have nothing to be afraid of.
Speaker 1: I can just go ask all the questions. I can
Speaker 1: just go for it in every area instead of so
Speaker 1: it's that's the natural progression, is that there is so
Speaker 1: much fear and so many things that we're holding onto
Speaker 1: when we're young, and once you hit that point where
Speaker 1: it's like, oh wait, nothing none of that matters. I
Speaker 1: can just I can just like go for it and
Speaker 1: do whatever I want and see how it all turns
Speaker 1: out okay. And I think that's probably what the next
Speaker 1: twenty years holds for us. I think one of the
Speaker 1: greatest AHA moments in my life was when I realized
Speaker 1: the most empowering thing I could say to anyone, and
Speaker 1: the thing I love to hear the most from other
Speaker 1: people is I don't know a lot about that. Will
Speaker 1: you tell me more? Yeah, that's a sexy thing to say.
Speaker 1: When somebody's like, I have no idea what the answer is,
Speaker 1: let's figure it out together, I'm just like, oh my god, glorious.
Speaker 1: And I do think you're right. Joy I think that
Speaker 1: that comes with age. I think it comes with understanding
Speaker 1: that the fear that you're the only one in the
Speaker 1: room who doesn't know everything or have it all together
Speaker 1: is a total myth. And once you realize it's a myth,
Speaker 1: you're you're free of it. Yeah, because so much of
Speaker 1: our identity as we're growing up is built around what
Speaker 1: we wanting other people to like us and wanting to
Speaker 1: fit into whatever group it is. It. Yeah, and it's
Speaker 1: scary to be in a room with people that where
Speaker 1: you feel like you're the only one who doesn't know
Speaker 1: what's going on or doesn't and so we will make
Speaker 1: things up or we you know, we come up with
Speaker 1: things to make a sound like we know what we're
Speaker 1: talking about. It is so nice to just be able
Speaker 1: to say, you know, I just don't know enough about
Speaker 1: that to to talk about it, but I'm super interested
Speaker 1: in what you have to say, and you know, I'm
Speaker 1: learning as I go. That's super engaging, I think. And
Speaker 1: I think when we think about being in this moment
Speaker 1: where we're looking back remembering how we felt and also
Speaker 1: the teens we were playing, you see it as as
Speaker 1: a marker of age. You know, there's that scene at
Speaker 1: the bonfire where Brooke and Lucas are talking and he
Speaker 1: wants to seem cool and she's saying she's having a
Speaker 1: great time, but she really just wants him to say,
Speaker 1: we leave with me, but he doesn't. He's like, you
Speaker 1: do you? You know, have a good night, and the
Speaker 1: letdown on her face is so apparent, and you can
Speaker 1: see that it's hard for him to say it. And
Speaker 1: there are two people who aren't willing to admit that
Speaker 1: they don't know what the other person is feeling, so
Speaker 1: they're blowing it. They won't just ask because it's too vulnerable.
Speaker 1: Haley are doing the exact opposite things like Haley's like, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you exactly what I want. We're going
Speaker 1: to be together and I'm not going anywhere and I'm
Speaker 1: calling my shot. Meanwhile, Brooks like, I don't know. Guess.
Speaker 1: When I'm watching Haley in this episode, I feel like
Speaker 1: she really was coming into her confidence because of everything
Speaker 1: that she's been through. There's a little bit of that Okay,
Speaker 1: I took the risk, I took the leap, and now
Speaker 1: seeing her blossom into that, uh, not just her you know,
Speaker 1: the snarkiness and her personality or like, you know, she's
Speaker 1: much more comfortable in her skin, and she's comfortable being
Speaker 1: able to say like, Okay, I'm going out of a limb,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you exactly what I'm looking for, which
Speaker 1: is very different from first season Haley, who was a lot,
Speaker 1: a lot more scared, a lot, more like kept everything
Speaker 1: really close to the vest, and now she's just like
Speaker 1: hard on her sleeve, going for it. Just kind of
Speaker 1: cool because I don't know if she would have been
Speaker 1: able to fight for her marriage in that way if
Speaker 1: something had happened before. It's like she needed to go
Speaker 1: through this experience of putting herself out there on stage
Speaker 1: and for the world, and now she can do it
Speaker 1: in her personal life well, and she needed something that
Speaker 1: was just for her so she could know that it
Speaker 1: was her as an individual that chose her marriage, not
Speaker 1: her in partnership choosing a partner. It's Haley the individual
Speaker 1: choosing Nathan, the individual. She'd always been in partnership before that.
Speaker 1: And it's cool because she's like, no, now I know
Speaker 1: what I want, exactly what I want. I don't even
Speaker 1: care if it's what you want, it's what I want,
Speaker 1: And this is where we're going and it's it's it
Speaker 1: is it's a confidence that's new, and it's it's bold,
Speaker 1: and it's sexy and it's so appealing. If this storyline
Speaker 1: of like Haley and Nathan breaking up had happened in
Speaker 1: like season six, when we had totally jumped the ark,
Speaker 1: you would have gone totally like burning bunnies on him,
Speaker 1: like they turned everything up to eleven in the later seasons.
Speaker 1: So I love do you know what I mean? Like
Speaker 1: they would have had talking Nathan and being like, we're
Speaker 1: gonna be together. So I like subtle but firm Haley.
Speaker 1: I appreciate season three Haley with her good hair and
Speaker 1: awesome outfits and that great bill on the beach. I
Speaker 1: love it, love that outfit. Okay, why do you think
Speaker 1: that Nathan can't get over it because he's a dude.
Speaker 1: Look what what is it about men that has that heart?
Speaker 1: Because I've been I've you know, I'll be brief, but
Speaker 1: I've been through a scenario like this before romantically, where
Speaker 1: you know, I dated someone for a while and I
Speaker 1: really there were some things that I just really wasn't
Speaker 1: sure about, some red flags and some stuff, and so
Speaker 1: I ended things. And then a couple of weeks later,
Speaker 1: I was like, listen, you know at this break really
Speaker 1: isn't working for me. I'm actually super in love with
Speaker 1: you and I want to figure out how to make
Speaker 1: this work. And he was like, uh, I just kind
Speaker 1: of got over you, Like it took me a minute.
Speaker 1: It was really really really intense, and then I got
Speaker 1: over you. And now I'm like, not really sure if
Speaker 1: we can just go. I can't like jump right back
Speaker 1: in because I finally person. I want to punch this
Speaker 1: person to know. I did too, because we spent the
Speaker 1: next like two years trying to figure out how to
Speaker 1: be together, and finally it was just like, oh, I
Speaker 1: give up, but like, well I can't. I can't keep
Speaker 1: you can like it is now scorched earth, goodbye. Yeah exactly,
Speaker 1: I know, but you know what I mean. I don't know,
Speaker 1: but you want to do anything. They have like a
Speaker 1: they have this wall, but I think people have people
Speaker 1: like It's one thing if someone says I'm not sure,
Speaker 1: I'm scared, I don't want to do this, and then
Speaker 1: as you're saying you did, comes back and you say, actually,
Speaker 1: I was scared because I'm so in love with you
Speaker 1: and I'm still in love with you and I learned
Speaker 1: something that's a person having an emotional experiences, Like that's
Speaker 1: how every flow. But there's but there's also the reality
Speaker 1: of when someone breaks your trust. Maybe that's emotional trust,
Speaker 1: but also there's trust trust. And Nathan is sitting here, going,
Speaker 1: you cheated on me with someone. You kissed another man
Speaker 1: and then left with him, and like look different. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's different. And I know in the world of like cheating,
Speaker 1: it's tame. It's a kiss. It's not like you know,
Speaker 1: she went and slept with this person or had a
Speaker 1: month's long affair with this person. Granted it may have
Speaker 1: been an emotional affair, but like, if we're talking about
Speaker 1: I've been through infidelity, you want to see my scorched earth,
Speaker 1: Like the door is closed, the drawbridges down, I've put
Speaker 1: alligators in the mode, and I will kill you if
Speaker 1: you come close to me, Like it's just like a bye,
Speaker 1: it's by alligators in your Oh yeah, alligators in the moment.
Speaker 1: I'm just like, I'm like, try coming to the castle.
Speaker 1: I'll kill you. So look, could I get over it?
Speaker 1: If someone said I made a mistake and I got
Speaker 1: kissed or it happened, and then he was like no,
Speaker 1: I don't want to do that. I could probably get
Speaker 1: over that. I would be bummed. I don't know if
Speaker 1: I could get over it if my partner was like,
Speaker 1: this thing happened and it was really uncomfortable. And then
Speaker 1: I realized it was uncomfortable and I got out of
Speaker 1: it as quickly as I could, and then was like,
Speaker 1: but I am going to go on the book tour
Speaker 1: with this person. I'd be like what he so, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I hear what you're saying. Because the
Speaker 1: first club, the kisses, the thing, the tours, the thing,
Speaker 1: the tour with the kiss guy. Yeah, that's the choice.
Speaker 1: It's a big choice. God. Well, here I was feeling
Speaker 1: real bad about how bitchy Peyton was, and now Sophia
Speaker 1: just talked me right out about emotion I'm good with
Speaker 1: Peyton was the alligator in the most hotel in this episode.
Speaker 1: You're right, that was a big that's a really big deal.
Speaker 1: And for a high schooler, and especially somebody like Nathan
Speaker 1: who hasn't been emotionally vulnerable with anyone except this girl,
Speaker 1: like he finally made it all out for her. And
Speaker 1: then she was like, Okay, but just sit here with
Speaker 1: your emotions. And deal with it because I gotta go
Speaker 1: on this bus with this guy you're very threatened by. Yeah, guys,
Speaker 1: we have to do an abbreviated version of these episodes
Speaker 1: as grown as women were we talking about doing like
Speaker 1: drunk history, but drunk ot history. Okay, but you're gonna
Speaker 1: have to sit here. Awesome, just awesome. Don't be mad.
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna go get on this bus with the guy.
Speaker 1: I don't think it's in the one time you need
Speaker 1: to relax. I see you. When I see you, everything's fine.
Speaker 1: You know. I love it a lot. You know. What
Speaker 1: I think is interesting though, is like joy even hearing
Speaker 1: your perspective where you're going. Why can't he get over it?
Speaker 1: Because as a viewer, how she feels for him is
Speaker 1: so apparent to you and to the two of us.
Speaker 1: And that's why it works. I think that's why the
Speaker 1: audience always rooted for them, because the audience knew what
Speaker 1: Nathan didn't, which was she didn't mean it. She didn't
Speaker 1: love that guy. She loves you. Everybody makes mistakes and
Speaker 1: and and it it's such a fun relationship to watch
Speaker 1: because he's going to heal the way he needs to,
Speaker 1: and he's going to take the time he needs to,
Speaker 1: but we all as viewers unequivocally know that he's the
Speaker 1: guy for her. And it's was sad me not the television.
Speaker 1: It's like when you see someone go into a wanted house.
Speaker 1: You you're like, because the babies that are going upstairs,
Speaker 1: you know. It almost makes Antoine's philosophy of only reading
Speaker 1: your parts of the script makes so much sense, because
Speaker 1: how could James play this frigidness with Haley if he
Speaker 1: knew all the things that we know that we see. Um,
Speaker 1: that makes total sense. He's doing a great job, though,
Speaker 1: I mean, that is cold. Angry. James is the scariest, Like,
Speaker 1: you don't you don't want to You're like, please, don't
Speaker 1: ever be mad at me. Now listen. Once he levels
Speaker 1: up into Kevin Kilner territory and starts playing mad Dad,
Speaker 1: you just signed me right up because I made James
Speaker 1: Lapperton as mad Dad. For sure. James doesn't explode. James
Speaker 1: is just done. Yes, he just you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: And Nathan is the same way. It's like, there's no explosion.
Speaker 1: It's oh no, the the walls, the drop ridges up,
Speaker 1: there's alligators in the moat and yeah, there's no similar.
Speaker 1: It's It's actually very funny because seeing Brooke and Nathan
Speaker 1: in their parallel in this episode, then winding up alone
Speaker 1: together watching Haley and Lucas walk off, I remembered I
Speaker 1: loved that moment, but you know what bummed me out.
Speaker 1: I do remember we shared a moment James and I.
Speaker 1: You know, Brooke is standing there. Lucas has just left
Speaker 1: and said I'm the guy for you and you're going
Speaker 1: to see, you know, and she's wondering if she can
Speaker 1: trust him. Haley has said I'm not going anywhere, and
Speaker 1: Nathan's like, yeah, okay. He's like he's got to wait
Speaker 1: and see. Is she really going to say? Are these
Speaker 1: two going to prove it to two? Broke into Nathan
Speaker 1: and I remember in the blocking when Lucas walks away
Speaker 1: from Brooke standing there, you know, the she kind of
Speaker 1: she I, it's so weird to talk about our characters.
Speaker 1: I like took a step from the Lifeguard boys. She I,
Speaker 1: we we Brooke and eye. Um we walked away from
Speaker 1: the Lifeguards and then the screen Yeah, I'm so confused.
Speaker 1: Whatever um And then James walks up to me and
Speaker 1: we watched the two of you walk away, and I
Speaker 1: remember there was there was a take, as you would
Speaker 1: where we looked at each other and then we looked
Speaker 1: at you two, and I understand the direction they wanted
Speaker 1: to discern that it's a much farther road for Haley
Speaker 1: and Nathan than it is for Brooke and Lucas. And
Speaker 1: so then then there was the request to don't look
Speaker 1: at him. You know, you guys standing side by side
Speaker 1: communicates it enough and and maybe you're hopeful, and that's
Speaker 1: what made it. In the episode, Brooke and Nathan never
Speaker 1: make eye contact, and brook kind of smiles, thinking like,
Speaker 1: oh wow, he's really he's really showing up. And I
Speaker 1: get it, but man, I missed. I missed these two
Speaker 1: people having their moment of like, wow, we're kind of
Speaker 1: on an island. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's what's so interesting
Speaker 1: about what we do is it's art, like everyone has
Speaker 1: an opinion and there's a million versions. It's like sliding doors.
Speaker 1: Both scenes would have worked, but our director liked it
Speaker 1: better that Brooke was happy and didn't look at Nathan.
Speaker 1: And it's it's so cool to me that like every
Speaker 1: version has its own life, because Brooks also the only
Speaker 1: person not wallowing in anything right now. We needed you
Speaker 1: to be the sunshine in that little yellow shirt because
Speaker 1: you were like the only you have so much fun.
Speaker 1: You know what I realized in this episode, Brooke singlehandedly
Speaker 1: embodies every character on Sex in the City. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: thank you, all of them. You're all of them. Think
Speaker 1: about that for a second. She's totally got the Charlotte
Speaker 1: mom energy right now, like taking care of everyone. The
Speaker 1: skive is any dipping, you know, running around playing with
Speaker 1: all the boys. Brook that is, um, what's Samantha? And
Speaker 1: then what's Cynthia Nixon's character's name. Miranda's like into politics
Speaker 1: and she's like super you know, and she's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: getting into politics and education and you know, caring about
Speaker 1: causes and all of that. And then Sarah Jessica Parker
Speaker 1: always has the most amazing outfits and who's just like
Speaker 1: super emotionally raw and vulnerable and always just wants to
Speaker 1: be in the right place with the right The best
Speaker 1: day of my life. You did it. This is the
Speaker 1: happiest day in my life. You don't check Check. You
Speaker 1: don't even need to watch Sex in the City anymore.
Speaker 1: Just watch Brooke in Onetrey Hill. That's Oh my god.
Speaker 1: That's such a good observation. Joya. Wait, so then do
Speaker 1: you get to pick who you're Mr? Big is? Like
Speaker 1: in all of O th h like history, who is
Speaker 1: Brooks Big? I mean, you can go wide here, you
Speaker 1: can do anything you want. You You literally made the
Speaker 1: the Closet Door boy lists this episode, so you could
Speaker 1: put any famous boy big on there. I didn't know.
Speaker 1: I didn't even open it up to the all of
Speaker 1: the Warner brother like c W shows going around like
Speaker 1: Who's her Big is? That they're a brick crossover on
Speaker 1: like a million other episodes on any other show. Brooks
Speaker 1: should definitely have gone on Gossip Girl and slapped one
Speaker 1: of those boys for being I kind of feel like, honestly,
Speaker 1: I think if if we hadn't been robbed in season two,
Speaker 1: I think Uncle Cooper probably would have been brooks big
Speaker 1: career and the whole you know. But then they chickened out,
Speaker 1: so which I get. I mean, I should not have
Speaker 1: as a teenage character. But I thought he said that
Speaker 1: that was going to be for the five year jump,
Speaker 1: that they were going to put you guys together. Yeah
Speaker 1: that we're right, Yeah, you're right. Still he should have
Speaker 1: been it. He should have been Mr Big you and
Speaker 1: Coop would have been That would have been than man. Yep,
Speaker 1: that would have been really nice. All right, Okay, can
Speaker 1: we talk about Lucas and Nathan on the River Court
Speaker 1: because Joy, you made really good points about James's energy
Speaker 1: being very like clear and kind of shut down. And
Speaker 1: while we were watching the scene, there's like a trend
Speaker 1: in boy acting right now where everybody wants to talk
Speaker 1: like Batman and makes me insane. Everyone wants to be
Speaker 1: like cool and boy Chad just like left it all
Speaker 1: out on the field. He's like up one minute and
Speaker 1: down the next, and he's trying so hard to break
Speaker 1: through the wall of Nathan and like, if I can't
Speaker 1: get your sympathy, if I can't get your empathy, if
Speaker 1: I can't connect with you that way, that I'm going
Speaker 1: to tell you to coff, you know, like I'm gonna
Speaker 1: try tolicit any kind of emotion I can from you.
Speaker 1: I'm going to threaten you. I just love that our
Speaker 1: boys acted like real teenage boys, like they were trying
Speaker 1: to be hip. Yeah. I love that too. I think
Speaker 1: if that was it was still that era and the
Speaker 1: other shows that were on the air that we're in
Speaker 1: our demographic were genre based shows, and I even consider
Speaker 1: Gossip Girl to be a genre based show because it
Speaker 1: was such heightened fantasy. Yeah, it was very fantasy, like
Speaker 1: Dynasty or something. Um, so yeah, it was. I think
Speaker 1: we were kind of the last of the breed of
Speaker 1: the Everwood and Dawson's Creeks and Gilmore girls, where it
Speaker 1: was just very natural, be emotional, be raw, you're they
Speaker 1: weren't really worried about their heartthrob status. Um, it was
Speaker 1: just more about doing good work. And also that was
Speaker 1: a huge benefit of being in Wilmington's as opposed to
Speaker 1: being in Los Angeles filming this show, because in l
Speaker 1: A there's a totally different culture and pressure around young actors,
Speaker 1: and to be in Wilmington's we a lot of us
Speaker 1: were theater actors. We had a lot of guest stars
Speaker 1: that came down from New York as theater actors, and
Speaker 1: so the work really was the most important thing for
Speaker 1: people on the show. Yeah, you'd be called out if
Speaker 1: you were going to do the work. I mean I
Speaker 1: remember Paul being like, if you're not going to commit,
Speaker 1: then don't even say the words, because if you only
Speaker 1: go halfway, you're gonna look stupid, you know. Paul told
Speaker 1: me a story once about I won't say who. He
Speaker 1: told me a story once about someone who came on
Speaker 1: the show and had been uh working as a supporting
Speaker 1: actor recurring actor in in one of the seasons, and
Speaker 1: um had been around for a while but finally got
Speaker 1: a real storyline written for them and there was a
Speaker 1: lot to do and it was highly emotional, and that
Speaker 1: person came to work and know their lines and wasn't
Speaker 1: really was kind of distracted on their phone, and he
Speaker 1: I remember him just being like, I just want to
Speaker 1: tell you how many people would kill for the position
Speaker 1: that you're in right now, and the fact that you
Speaker 1: have disrespected everyone by showing up here like you have
Speaker 1: a huge opportunity, this could make you a series regular,
Speaker 1: but instead you've shown up and showed us all that
Speaker 1: you don't respect any of our work, and you don't
Speaker 1: respect yourself and you don't believe in yourself enough to
Speaker 1: show up knowing your lines. And made the person cry,
Speaker 1: but kind of rightly so, just because he called it
Speaker 1: out and was like, listen, I'm gonna tell you the truth.
Speaker 1: You've picked up you know. Yeah, it's Larry Energy mad dad. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he was directing, by the way, so that's why he
Speaker 1: had he was in the position to say that it's
Speaker 1: not like a random charge. I cherish honest feedback to
Speaker 1: constructive criticism is one of the greatest things a human
Speaker 1: in can give you, and it shows that they respect you.
Speaker 1: This new whatever thing where like you're supposed to sugarcoat
Speaker 1: everything and you know, don't really tell someone when they
Speaker 1: screw up, like, you know, just tell them they're doing
Speaker 1: a great job. But you know, maybe what whatever, Maybe
Speaker 1: it's not a It drives me crazy. It's like, no,
Speaker 1: be honest, care about me enough to to give me feedback,
Speaker 1: value that I am enough of an adult and um
Speaker 1: that I have enough of an intellect and enough capability
Speaker 1: to be empathetic to learn that I have not met
Speaker 1: an expectation or let you down, and then I can change.
Speaker 1: It's the crux even of a healthy romantic relationship. You
Speaker 1: have to be able to say to your partner, this
Speaker 1: thing in our interaction caused a rip, and now together
Speaker 1: we have to repair it. Because if you don't acknowledge
Speaker 1: that there's a rip, you can't repair it ever. And
Speaker 1: I don't understand why you know my fear now would
Speaker 1: be that. If Paul had said that to someone, you know,
Speaker 1: they would have gone and complained about him. And it's like,
Speaker 1: he just gave you the best career advice of your life. Yes,
Speaker 1: you should thank him. I should write him a thank
Speaker 1: you note. Yes we should go to thank him because
Speaker 1: better you'll go be better forever after having heard that,
Speaker 1: you know, it's beyond Uh. It drives me crazy when
Speaker 1: they don't give me honest feedback. It's actually vital to
Speaker 1: an actor as an artist. I cannot trust you as
Speaker 1: a as a director or another actor or whatever. Mostly
Speaker 1: with directors, this is my complaint in episodic when they're
Speaker 1: just sugarcoating things and moving home. I won't trust you.
Speaker 1: And if you don't, if you're not willing to tell
Speaker 1: me something that's hard or something I don't you think
Speaker 1: I don't want to hear, then I can't trust you.
Speaker 1: And how can I put my heart out, take it out,
Speaker 1: my beating heart, out of my chest and hold it
Speaker 1: out in front of you and this entire crew and
Speaker 1: the other person in the scene. How can I do
Speaker 1: that if I don't trust you? Yeah? Well, because what
Speaker 1: it says to me is that you don't respect me.
Speaker 1: Enough to tell me what you really think and respect
Speaker 1: for growth. Yeah, and it's interesting when you say that, Joy.
Speaker 1: It makes me think about the way Nathan talks to
Speaker 1: Haley in this episode, because he does have the wall
Speaker 1: up with Lucas. He doesn't give him anything at the
Speaker 1: River Court, but you realize that what Lucas said got
Speaker 1: in because he shows up at the party and he's
Speaker 1: just honest with her and he says, I don't know,
Speaker 1: I don't know if I'm going to be ready. I
Speaker 1: don't know if I'm ever going to be ready. I'm
Speaker 1: going to go do my basketball thing. He literally tells
Speaker 1: her what his defense mechanisms are and and it's so,
Speaker 1: oh my god, what a gift that he gives her
Speaker 1: honest feedback and says, you did this thing you you know,
Speaker 1: to use your metaphor. It's like, you wasted my time.
Speaker 1: You've shown me what you think and I don't know
Speaker 1: if I'm gonna get over it. And it's what a gift.
Speaker 1: And to hear it coming out of the mouth of
Speaker 1: a teenage boy I know, and have that entrance with
Speaker 1: the guitar, it was so catacastic. If I keep saying
Speaker 1: this about the storyline, because they just keep feeling like
Speaker 1: it's um. Liz Taylor, you know when when Paul Newman
Speaker 1: and Knat and Roof finally yells at her in the
Speaker 1: first like within the first like five minutes of the movie,
Speaker 1: and she's like, that's progress, Okay, an emotion. You're giving
Speaker 1: me some kind of emotional reaction. I'll take it um
Speaker 1: for you. For those of you who don't know the story,
Speaker 1: Paul Newman, I mean it's multilayered and to them, the
Speaker 1: watch it, make them watch watch the damn movie. But anyway,
Speaker 1: have homework this week exactly. But it's so but so
Speaker 1: when he shows up and puts Tim's guitar over there,
Speaker 1: and it's just very like, okay, anger, I'll take it great.
Speaker 1: Do you know who else we're getting from the strong,
Speaker 1: honest feedback in this episode Karen in Karen's cafe in
Speaker 1: that scene, just that slow, steady shot on her when
Speaker 1: she's like, I'm sad whoever tried to kill you failed
Speaker 1: have been nice like and she says it with a smile,
Speaker 1: and it's not overly done. It's just a glimmer. And
Speaker 1: I love that she master fall. She can feel Dan
Speaker 1: baiting her trying to find out if it's Keith, if
Speaker 1: it's Andy, if it's her, like who killed me? You know,
Speaker 1: she's playing with him. She wants him to think maybe
Speaker 1: it's me. Maybe think but by the way, rather than
Speaker 1: be a person who's like, oh no, is he wearing
Speaker 1: a wire? Are the cops looking at me? Did he
Speaker 1: give my name to authorities? And like acting out of fear,
Speaker 1: She's like, no, I'm going to admit that I would
Speaker 1: love for you to be dead. That would be what
Speaker 1: a blessing. Yeah, and I love too that it was
Speaker 1: a well written scene because he punches so low, saying
Speaker 1: that Lucas was a mistake, you know, whatever, whatever it is.
Speaker 1: She says, well, something must have been and he goes, yeah,
Speaker 1: kind of like Lucas so gross and immature, like he's
Speaker 1: still sixteen years old. Nathan his father. That's where we're at,
Speaker 1: by light years, and Karen absorbs the blow and then
Speaker 1: deals it back to him slowly. It's so it's she
Speaker 1: takes this darkness and Moira manages two not only give
Speaker 1: such a masterful scene class, but she makes it so sexy.
Speaker 1: You're just like, oh my god, I'm intimidated, and I
Speaker 1: love you. Karen take get charge. It's always good. Wait,
Speaker 1: this whole crush on Keith thing seems like because as
Speaker 1: we have new guest stars come in, like, yes, we're
Speaker 1: paying Kevin Kilner, we're paying Shirley. Who else are we
Speaker 1: paying this episode? I don't know. I don't know, Brett,
Speaker 1: those are the two bigs. Yeah, they weren't pay because
Speaker 1: they weren't paying us. Well, but it's like they have
Speaker 1: to take other people off the docket, you know, and
Speaker 1: so they well, we'll just give Andy and Keith and
Speaker 1: stew over it. But I don't because Barbara wasn't in
Speaker 1: this episode. There. But I don't understand though, you guys,
Speaker 1: is she's lamenting Andy being gone and seems like she
Speaker 1: misses Andy, and but then it's Keith, but then it's Andy.
Speaker 1: But then who does she miss? I can't. I feel
Speaker 1: like I don't know if it's a device to get
Speaker 1: us somewhere because I don't remember what's coming. I don't
Speaker 1: storyline or any of them, I guess, or if it
Speaker 1: was like lazy writing where they were like it's Kate,
Speaker 1: it's Andy, it's Kate, like you has it was them
Speaker 1: pitting them against each other because they were like, hey, Listen, man,
Speaker 1: if you don't agree to this like price that we
Speaker 1: want to pay you, we're just gonna go with this
Speaker 1: cheaper dude. That's what I was just gonna say. I
Speaker 1: think they're trying to figure out if they could get
Speaker 1: Craig back for another season or not. They were just
Speaker 1: in contract negotiations, so they were like, let's just keep
Speaker 1: them both in the mix until we decide who's It's
Speaker 1: so dumb. That's when you're like, you gotta have creative
Speaker 1: people in power positions at studios, because if it's just
Speaker 1: about the bean counting, it really throws in your creativity. Yeah,
Speaker 1: for sure. Ain't that the truth? Ums about the executive suite? Wait,
Speaker 1: what's going to happen with Peyton and Ellie here? I'm
Speaker 1: trying to I mean, I like that Peyton says, am
Speaker 1: I ever going to be able to trust anyone in
Speaker 1: my life? Or something to that effect? Um, and I
Speaker 1: feel that, And I it's hilarious that she's the worst
Speaker 1: DJ ever in this episode and that she just by
Speaker 1: the way, that was good music she was playing like
Speaker 1: I did. Yeah, but you are painting swear You're like,
Speaker 1: excuse me, that was not just because you guys, can't
Speaker 1: shake your ass too. It doesn't mean it's not worthy
Speaker 1: of a beach play. Um, you light up my life
Speaker 1: and we just lit a bonfire. Read between the lines
Speaker 1: so rough. No, I really I said a number of
Speaker 1: times in this episode how much I liked the music
Speaker 1: because it was super recognizable stuff. There was like Fallout
Speaker 1: Boy in there, and there was some like bops from
Speaker 1: the early two thousand's that we all definitely listened to
Speaker 1: on a regular rotation. Um music was becoming a bigger
Speaker 1: deal on our show, and I really feel like you
Speaker 1: and Tyler laid the groundwork for that, because once you
Speaker 1: guys went out on tour, are just for like, oh there, No,
Speaker 1: this is like real. If we go on once, it's
Speaker 1: not like we're playing in the background like on other shows.
Speaker 1: We become a part of the storyline that's totally different,
Speaker 1: totally fun. It's probably why we got people like like
Speaker 1: Pete Wentz to come and a part of the real
Speaker 1: storyline on the show. Yeah. You know, this episode was
Speaker 1: hard for me because I had a funeral to go
Speaker 1: to in Iowa for a relative, and I remember going
Speaker 1: to the executive suite and being like, guys, I'll do anything.
Speaker 1: I'll do anything, but I have to be gone, you know,
Speaker 1: these like three days and they were like you can't go,
Speaker 1: you can't go, you can't go. And I'm literally like
Speaker 1: crying and begging and I'm just like please, you have
Speaker 1: to let me go. So finally it got and I
Speaker 1: feel like I may have took like a pen to
Speaker 1: the script and been like, you don't need me in
Speaker 1: this scene. There was a scene we're Peyton and Nathan
Speaker 1: had like a whole conversation like sitting on a cooler.
Speaker 1: I feel like I either remember reading anymore, do you
Speaker 1: remember this? It's not in the cut, so I can't
Speaker 1: remember if we cut it from the script or if
Speaker 1: we like filmed it real half assid And they were like,
Speaker 1: you know what, but if you notice, all of peyton
Speaker 1: scenes at the beach party are close up shots of
Speaker 1: her at that table. And I did all of my
Speaker 1: scenes in one day so I could go to this
Speaker 1: funeral in Iowa. Um, but it works because Peyton is
Speaker 1: really cut off. Yeah, so it was a device. It
Speaker 1: was a device that worked out great if you ask. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm also glad that you. I mean, it sucks that
Speaker 1: there's so little humanity in the behind the scenes of
Speaker 1: our jobs. But I'm glad that you advocated for yourself
Speaker 1: and it just played into the storyline. It's like, I
Speaker 1: can't trust anybody for that. It's against me. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: Peyton grumpy and Joy. You made the comment you're like
Speaker 1: you and Cheryl have enough of the same like mannerisms.
Speaker 1: That's your eyes are similar kind of too, there's enough
Speaker 1: enough similarity. It's weird to watch it as a separate
Speaker 1: person because at the time I remember thinking like, oh,
Speaker 1: we're so different, We're so different, And now watching as
Speaker 1: a grown up, I'm like, I get it. I mean,
Speaker 1: now you see it. She watched you. I think she
Speaker 1: watched some of your performances, being some of the stuff
Speaker 1: that you do, and you could see it the parallel
Speaker 1: between the Peyton and Larry fight and then when Larry
Speaker 1: gets her on the river walk and they have a fight,
Speaker 1: she stands like you, She looks up at him, she
Speaker 1: does these things that look like you when you're obsessed,
Speaker 1: and you were, you know that sort of it was
Speaker 1: so such a young teenage girl thing to do when
Speaker 1: you're crying to you, like open your mouth a little,
Speaker 1: like I don't know how to explain it, but you
Speaker 1: do it is it's just sort of like petulant, like childish.
Speaker 1: It's great. And she didn't she didn't in that in
Speaker 1: the last moment after Larry walked away and I was like,
Speaker 1: this actress was watching she was when do we have
Speaker 1: her on? Have we reached out Charlotte? Guys? Could we
Speaker 1: got to get her on soon? I hadn't seen her
Speaker 1: since we like filmed the show, and she was at
Speaker 1: that last convention that we were at right before the
Speaker 1: pandemic hit and I were the one in Wilming Baby.
Speaker 1: I wept. I wept and wept and wept when I
Speaker 1: saw her because I just I love her. She's the
Speaker 1: only person that could have played Ellie, the only person.
Speaker 1: Do you remember how psyched we were when we heard
Speaker 1: that Laura Palmer was going to be on our show? Nuts?
Speaker 1: It was nuts because also Moira had been in the
Speaker 1: Twin Peaks movie and it just felt like it felt
Speaker 1: like we were like kind of getting their street cred
Speaker 1: by Carrie. Yes they're cool girl, sign us up? Yes, no,
Speaker 1: I you know this is a fun episode for me.
Speaker 1: I love this episode. I'm writing it down as one
Speaker 1: of my favorite of all time. Because I like the
Speaker 1: duality of the stuff, like Tim being naked with the
Speaker 1: guitar at the bonfire and Brooke right in the names
Speaker 1: on the doors. But then all the emotional heavy lifting too,
Speaker 1: Like when our show hit this kind of stride where
Speaker 1: the balance between fun and serious were even These were
Speaker 1: our best episodes Magic, it felt like the season one
Speaker 1: Magic all those moments. Yeah, that's what it felt like.
Speaker 1: It really did. And it's interesting to see the precursors
Speaker 1: to some things, like we see that gift of the
Speaker 1: door fight between Peyton. We've seen it for fifteen years.
Speaker 1: I forgot he I forgot how hilarious is the introduction
Speaker 1: of the doors was like the scene between us is
Speaker 1: so funny. You wake up, I'm in your room drawing on.
Speaker 1: I go get you your toothbrush and hand it to
Speaker 1: you when we're having a conversation and you're brushing your teeth. Oh,
Speaker 1: such good direction and the energy of these best friends.
Speaker 1: And and it starts in this like light, happy, funny
Speaker 1: place where Brooke is saying Larry's her hot dad fantasy,
Speaker 1: and like they're deciding who gets that. I like, I know,
Speaker 1: I have the reaction where I'm like, oh, honey, don't
Speaker 1: you're like gross. It's just like it's so lovely to
Speaker 1: see the fun and the innocence and the humor and
Speaker 1: you and I really getting to banter and then knowing
Speaker 1: where it goes. I'm like, this was this was well done.
Speaker 1: Off the Brook and Peyton, I mean, sorry, the Brook
Speaker 1: and Haley starting to build this bubbly friendship too, which
Speaker 1: is so fun because I've I think Haley was really
Speaker 1: disconnected from the girls, even though they tried a lot
Speaker 1: in season one, there was I think she still kind
Speaker 1: of always was like the odd man out because you
Speaker 1: two had a history together. So it's really fun to
Speaker 1: see everything coming together now and us throwing singers at
Speaker 1: each other too, you know, like you throw it at
Speaker 1: me and I throw it at you. I'm like, well,
Speaker 1: where do you want to watch us? And you're just
Speaker 1: you know, and it feels would badge my eyes out
Speaker 1: or something. It's my favorite thing. But it's it's got
Speaker 1: like sibling energy. Yeah, for sure. Everything they're giving us
Speaker 1: this season, oh it does, it just feels very alive
Speaker 1: and fun. Well, we loved this episode. We have a
Speaker 1: listener question and we have to spin a wheel. You girls, ready,
Speaker 1: all right, Jocelyn is asking where do you see yourselves
Speaker 1: professionally and personally in the next ten years? Directing? Writing?
Speaker 1: Isn't that funny? That's just kind of what we were
Speaker 1: talking about in the beginning of the episode two. What
Speaker 1: does she a wizard? How wizard talk about this? I'm
Speaker 1: gonna get my damn ass on Broadway or the West
Speaker 1: End for Christ's sake, at some point in the next
Speaker 1: ten years. He enjoying audience. Guess who has an apartment
Speaker 1: in the city, totally ready for about to happen. Yes,
Speaker 1: taking over? Um, yeah, writing, directing, producing, singing, touring, mom
Speaker 1: ng maybe wife ing. I don't know. Let's see what happens,
Speaker 1: um are we we're going to solicit for all those things. Guys,
Speaker 1: I should have brought my I've got crystals over there.
Speaker 1: I should have lit candles and like, brought the crystals
Speaker 1: over before we started. Look at this perfect, perfect and
Speaker 1: burning a candle for us. Lady manifesting right now, um
Speaker 1: calling all the witches of the North, all the witches
Speaker 1: launch into the craft. Guys. Brooke talked about witchcraft before
Speaker 1: she lit that fire, and I liked it. I was
Speaker 1: like Hillary, they gave us a little Kernel. Yeah, they
Speaker 1: knew it was coming, Like these pitches are gonna go
Speaker 1: dark later. Um, I I honestly want to lean more
Speaker 1: into just like writing. I just had a really good
Speaker 1: meeting with my publisher harper One about my second book,
Speaker 1: and it just made me want to write all the books.
Speaker 1: Like yeah, I think for so long in my youth,
Speaker 1: I felt like I had to be an extrovert and
Speaker 1: I had to be like I had to go places.
Speaker 1: And you guys know that my comfort zone is literally
Speaker 1: my cave, and writing lets me do that. So I'll
Speaker 1: just come out on our on our wine tours for
Speaker 1: drama queens. Otherwise I'm going to be in a cave
Speaker 1: with the crystals, writing book writing, writing books. We're gonna
Speaker 1: get into some fix kids. Yes, I love that's coming. I. Um,
Speaker 1: it's funny you say that I have a dream of
Speaker 1: doing some y a fiction. Oh, yes, because we didn't.
Speaker 1: You know, we've talked about it when we were doing
Speaker 1: the show. We didn't have a lot. It was for
Speaker 1: us as young women. Well, but we want more of that.
Speaker 1: Geek Love and Perks of Being a Wallflower were the
Speaker 1: big books, but they weren't necessarily geared towards chicks. It
Speaker 1: was kind of just like this is this is outsider stuff. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I think about, you know, wanting to write something
Speaker 1: for young us. I think about um to your point, joy,
Speaker 1: like I take all your adjectives. Aside from singing and touring,
Speaker 1: I will not be dropping an album. Um, but don't like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, watch the universe is going to be like, well,
Speaker 1: look out, ladies and the three of us. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm doing something, I'm yeah, oh my god, twist
Speaker 1: my arm. But yeah, I think I think it's more
Speaker 1: of all those things, you know. I'm I'm reading great scripts,
Speaker 1: and I'm thinking about what I want to act in,
Speaker 1: what I want to direct, and thinking about what i
Speaker 1: want to write. I'm I'm starting to feel like I'm
Speaker 1: finally getting out of my own way. Yeah. I'm a
Speaker 1: really good writer, and I love reading, and I love
Speaker 1: um topical writing like things that you know, op eds
Speaker 1: and journalism, um skewing pieces, and to lean into that
Speaker 1: as a strength rather than say like, no other people
Speaker 1: do that. No. Like I'm I'm finally hitting a point
Speaker 1: in my life where I'm stopping coming up with excuses
Speaker 1: for why I'm not good at the thing that everyone
Speaker 1: I trust tells me I'm good at a Well, did
Speaker 1: you watch the Taylor Swift n y U graduation speech
Speaker 1: where No, I thought you were gonna say the Taylor
Speaker 1: Swift documentary and I was gonna be like, yes, I've
Speaker 1: se she was just a commencement speaker and she talks about, UM,
Speaker 1: I just saw a clip on the interweb and she's like,
Speaker 1: you know, somewhere along the lines, people made it uncool
Speaker 1: to try, and I'm here to tell you it's cool
Speaker 1: to try, like try everything, try all the things. And
Speaker 1: so I hope that our younger fan base in particular
Speaker 1: heard that, um, because it is cool to try. It's hard.
Speaker 1: It's hard to get out of your own way and
Speaker 1: get out of the fears of feeling like you don't
Speaker 1: want to be the person in the room who doesn't
Speaker 1: know what's going on. But the truth is, everyone loves
Speaker 1: someone who is trying. Everyone loves someone who's asking questions
Speaker 1: and going for it. And you're not going to run
Speaker 1: into a lot of people who want to throw up
Speaker 1: a stop sign or close a door in your face
Speaker 1: if you're sincerely just go. You're putting it all out there,
Speaker 1: like I'm just trying. I'm just going for it and um,
Speaker 1: you should be UM, and that's I'm I can't believe
Speaker 1: I'm only just now reaching that point in my life
Speaker 1: where I'm really ready to to start um, going for
Speaker 1: it and stop again, like you said, so coming up
Speaker 1: with excuses why I can't. I got that at this
Speaker 1: it's too much, I'm overwhelmed, blah blah blah. No, No,
Speaker 1: I mean not to get like two in our feelings here,
Speaker 1: but honestly, you guys, I I think it's incredibly pressing
Speaker 1: in this moment. I wish I wish it was a
Speaker 1: little later and we were all having one, but I
Speaker 1: would say, like we should. It's like, it feels like
Speaker 1: a moment for like an emotional or spiritual toast. Because
Speaker 1: we survived the early aughts on a teen drama like
Speaker 1: that era was so rough for young girls. And the
Speaker 1: thing that I have always loved about the two of you,
Speaker 1: which I'm finally willing to recognize it myself, is emotional resiliency.
Speaker 1: And we have stuck it out, and we have made mistakes,
Speaker 1: and we have continued moving, and we've been nice enough
Speaker 1: to not pretend that that wasn't our reality. We've shared
Speaker 1: our reality with everybody who's listening to this podcast today,
Speaker 1: with our fans, like we haven't tried to do the
Speaker 1: thing of like, well, you know, we're in the public
Speaker 1: eye and we're just gonna act like we get all together,
Speaker 1: like shut up, and and here we are on this journeys.
Speaker 1: The big word, the point really is emotional resiliency and messy.
Speaker 1: I love you years, Joscelyn. I hope you're everywhere you
Speaker 1: want to be in ten years, um and more and more. Yeah,
Speaker 1: well let's find out who is most likely to be
Speaker 1: something else in ten years? What's our wheel? Saying? Joy?
Speaker 1: That was such a good segue. Oh my god, you're
Speaker 1: so Sometimes sometimes that's why she's a good director. She
Speaker 1: likes a transition. Oh no, is this Brooke I don't know?
Speaker 1: Most likely to order? No, it's Bevin, my character, not
Speaker 1: the person pumpkin spice latte. Who's most likely to order
Speaker 1: a pumpkin spice list. It's either Bevin the character or Tim? Yes,
Speaker 1: I would This isn't that. I think Tim is on
Speaker 1: the money. Tim being a pumpkin spice latte guy feels
Speaker 1: really right to me. I think Antoine. I think Antoine
Speaker 1: actually might be them. Yeah, it just seems like rappaccino guy,
Speaker 1: like yeah, but now I get it, the sweet bit,
Speaker 1: the sweet sweet Our boys. I love our boys are boys?
Speaker 1: Are they just they're the best boys. We got so
Speaker 1: here in the next episode because I miss seeing their faces.
Speaker 1: We need them like they I think the writers forgot
Speaker 1: how badly we needed them around us in this show
Speaker 1: and how badly the audience needed that sense of grounded
Speaker 1: nous of home. They were established in the beginning of
Speaker 1: this series as a sense of home, and I miss
Speaker 1: them when they're not around. Well, let's let's um tag
Speaker 1: Garbage from Peyton's side of the closet doors are our
Speaker 1: very own junk. Cullen Moss is in the staircase and
Speaker 1: is so good. Oh my god, it's just like blowing up.
Speaker 1: He should have like blown up when we were younger.
Speaker 1: But he's got just the perfect energy right now to
Speaker 1: be in all of these fabulous things like outer banks
Speaker 1: and the staircase. So go watch my sweet garbage. I
Speaker 1: love sweet Garbage. We love you guys. Thank you for
Speaker 1: your thoughtful questions and for showing up for us, and
Speaker 1: your continued support and encouragement. And we can't wait to
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Speaker 1: morning when you wake up. What by what it works
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Speaker 1: Episode three, First Day on a brand New Planet. Hey,
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