1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:03,480 Speaker 1: First of all, you don't know me. Were all about 2 00:00:03,480 --> 00:00:06,320 Speaker 1: that high school drama, Girl Drama, Girl, all about them 3 00:00:06,360 --> 00:00:09,479 Speaker 1: high school queens. We'll take you for a ride in 4 00:00:09,560 --> 00:00:15,520 Speaker 1: our comic Girl Cheering for the drama Queens up Girl Fashion, 5 00:00:15,560 --> 00:00:18,840 Speaker 1: but you'll tough, girl. You can sit with us Girl Drama, Queens, Drama, 6 00:00:18,920 --> 00:00:26,880 Speaker 1: Queen's Drama, Queen's Drama Drawn MC, Queen's Drama, Queens Hi, 7 00:00:27,320 --> 00:00:31,080 Speaker 1: Welcome back to Drama Queen's Everybody. We are into three. 8 00:00:31,560 --> 00:00:36,000 Speaker 1: Love it, Love it. I love it too. I love 9 00:00:36,680 --> 00:00:39,240 Speaker 1: everything about the wardrobe is good. The acting is good, 10 00:00:39,320 --> 00:00:45,440 Speaker 1: the storylines are good, dialog, hair point the hair. It's 11 00:00:45,479 --> 00:00:49,240 Speaker 1: so good. I'm loving it. Seasons Okay, this one's episode two. 12 00:00:49,880 --> 00:00:52,080 Speaker 1: So it's from the Edge of the Deep Green Sea 13 00:00:52,120 --> 00:00:56,400 Speaker 1: Air Day Dctumber twelve, two five. The synopsis here is 14 00:00:56,400 --> 00:00:58,800 Speaker 1: that it's the end of Summer party, the famous end 15 00:00:58,800 --> 00:01:01,920 Speaker 1: of Summer party on the b each Nathan comes home 16 00:01:02,000 --> 00:01:05,200 Speaker 1: from High Flyers, but he doesn't tell Haley and he 17 00:01:05,319 --> 00:01:09,360 Speaker 1: still doesn't know where he stands on their marriage. Lucas 18 00:01:09,360 --> 00:01:14,200 Speaker 1: makes a convincing statement to Brooke, and Peyton finds out 19 00:01:14,240 --> 00:01:18,800 Speaker 1: Ellie is using drugs again or still Dan thinks he 20 00:01:18,840 --> 00:01:25,040 Speaker 1: realizes who left him in the fire. Dan plays detective Um. 21 00:01:25,160 --> 00:01:27,760 Speaker 1: This is a great episode. Tim is back, Peyton is 22 00:01:27,800 --> 00:01:32,800 Speaker 1: the worst DJ ever. We have some great stuff with 23 00:01:32,880 --> 00:01:35,920 Speaker 1: Kevin Kilner. It's great, let's go. I love this episode. 24 00:01:36,080 --> 00:01:39,040 Speaker 1: I love like people ask all the time, like what's 25 00:01:39,040 --> 00:01:41,440 Speaker 1: your favorite episode you guys have ever done? And I 26 00:01:41,480 --> 00:01:43,399 Speaker 1: never think of this one? Why don't I ever think 27 00:01:43,440 --> 00:01:45,880 Speaker 1: of this one? Because it was a long time ago. 28 00:01:46,000 --> 00:01:48,080 Speaker 1: It was just hard. It's impossible to remember all of them. 29 00:01:48,080 --> 00:01:50,360 Speaker 1: But that's what's so great about watching these shows back 30 00:01:50,440 --> 00:01:52,840 Speaker 1: is being able to remember. So now we've got some 31 00:01:52,920 --> 00:01:56,800 Speaker 1: answers for people when it's like it's reconnecting memories and 32 00:01:56,800 --> 00:02:00,320 Speaker 1: there's so much sense memory in this Yeah, we all 33 00:02:00,600 --> 00:02:03,480 Speaker 1: we all knew Haley's outfit was coming, and knew the 34 00:02:03,480 --> 00:02:07,040 Speaker 1: beach bonfire was this big moment. We were so excited 35 00:02:07,040 --> 00:02:10,440 Speaker 1: when the episode started. Oh my god, the doors and 36 00:02:10,480 --> 00:02:15,000 Speaker 1: then I didn't even know I lit the bonfire. Of 37 00:02:15,080 --> 00:02:17,440 Speaker 1: all the things I remembered about this episode, I was like, wait, 38 00:02:17,480 --> 00:02:21,480 Speaker 1: it's me I did. It's crazy. It's like we were 39 00:02:21,520 --> 00:02:25,200 Speaker 1: remembering our favorite things and then genuinely finding all the 40 00:02:25,240 --> 00:02:29,320 Speaker 1: things we forgot. We had discoveries this episode. First of all, 41 00:02:31,000 --> 00:02:36,240 Speaker 1: I noticed when like Brooke and Lucas are kissing in 42 00:02:36,280 --> 00:02:40,040 Speaker 1: the house or in the apartment, and the Hayley walks 43 00:02:40,080 --> 00:02:43,160 Speaker 1: in and she's like making all these snide comments. I'm like, 44 00:02:43,440 --> 00:02:47,280 Speaker 1: oh my god, it's Joy. Like they just decided, They're like, 45 00:02:47,480 --> 00:02:51,000 Speaker 1: we're just going to script Hayley as joined now and 46 00:02:51,080 --> 00:02:55,040 Speaker 1: these like zigger friends are just flying off. And it's 47 00:02:55,120 --> 00:02:58,960 Speaker 1: such good writing for you in this episode because you 48 00:02:58,960 --> 00:03:01,280 Speaker 1: go from being like, you know, the funny one liner 49 00:03:01,320 --> 00:03:03,920 Speaker 1: friend to having to do some real heavy lifting with 50 00:03:04,360 --> 00:03:08,040 Speaker 1: the Nathan, like the deep Nathan talk and like chasing 51 00:03:08,160 --> 00:03:12,480 Speaker 1: him the entire episode. I think I'm chasing him for 52 00:03:12,520 --> 00:03:14,600 Speaker 1: longer than this episode. I think that this keeps going 53 00:03:14,680 --> 00:03:20,720 Speaker 1: for a while. And it's really hard to watch. Oh yeah, 54 00:03:20,840 --> 00:03:23,639 Speaker 1: oh my god with Hilary. When you looked at Joy 55 00:03:23,680 --> 00:03:25,440 Speaker 1: and that scene at the end, you go you can't 56 00:03:25,440 --> 00:03:28,040 Speaker 1: blame him or whatever you say. I was like, oh god, 57 00:03:28,120 --> 00:03:31,040 Speaker 1: it hurts to be on the receiving end of that anger. 58 00:03:31,480 --> 00:03:36,680 Speaker 1: But it's interesting to see and you start to realize 59 00:03:36,680 --> 00:03:40,760 Speaker 1: it watching the episode, and then you know, you realize 60 00:03:40,760 --> 00:03:42,960 Speaker 1: you're on the same page as the writers. When Haley 61 00:03:43,000 --> 00:03:47,080 Speaker 1: and Lucas literally wind up standing together. They're having a 62 00:03:47,120 --> 00:03:51,320 Speaker 1: similar experience trying to earn back the love of the 63 00:03:51,320 --> 00:03:56,880 Speaker 1: people they've hurt. And it's so beautiful to watch the 64 00:03:56,960 --> 00:04:01,240 Speaker 1: parallels because everyone in a way I was trying to 65 00:04:01,240 --> 00:04:05,520 Speaker 1: figure out how to reclaim that intimate territory, even Peyton 66 00:04:05,560 --> 00:04:09,920 Speaker 1: and Ellie. Ellie's trying to get back in and it. God, 67 00:04:10,200 --> 00:04:13,840 Speaker 1: the episode is just really well done. Kevin Dowling. I 68 00:04:13,880 --> 00:04:18,960 Speaker 1: loved his shots, loved his transitions. He you know what's great. 69 00:04:19,560 --> 00:04:21,960 Speaker 1: Some of my favorite things about good directors is that 70 00:04:22,040 --> 00:04:26,320 Speaker 1: you don't feel the direction. There's a difference between somebody 71 00:04:26,320 --> 00:04:30,200 Speaker 1: who's who's maybe new or I guess new or season 72 00:04:30,200 --> 00:04:33,239 Speaker 1: doesn't really necessarily make a difference. It's more someone who 73 00:04:33,279 --> 00:04:35,400 Speaker 1: knows how to get out of the way. They're just 74 00:04:35,480 --> 00:04:38,040 Speaker 1: showing you the story without trying to show off like 75 00:04:38,120 --> 00:04:42,000 Speaker 1: fancy camera moves or you know, you can the market. 76 00:04:42,000 --> 00:04:43,680 Speaker 1: One of the marks of a really good director is 77 00:04:43,680 --> 00:04:47,479 Speaker 1: someone who can do with the fancy stuff without the 78 00:04:47,520 --> 00:04:51,200 Speaker 1: audience noticing that it's being done. Yeah, and I felt 79 00:04:51,200 --> 00:04:53,839 Speaker 1: a lot of that. Well, just the shot from Dan's 80 00:04:53,960 --> 00:04:57,760 Speaker 1: Dan's fire to Sophiel holding the torch at the beach 81 00:04:57,800 --> 00:05:02,640 Speaker 1: party was masterful. Yeah, yeah, I thought so too. I 82 00:05:02,680 --> 00:05:05,240 Speaker 1: really liked it. Yeah, it was a lot of beautiful 83 00:05:05,320 --> 00:05:10,919 Speaker 1: camera work, but it fits so well, the transitions, the movement. 84 00:05:11,960 --> 00:05:15,520 Speaker 1: It was in flow, and so even the shots that 85 00:05:15,560 --> 00:05:18,480 Speaker 1: were fancy didn't jump out at you because you were 86 00:05:18,600 --> 00:05:25,159 Speaker 1: on the right. The shots are fancy, like a fancy shot. 87 00:05:25,920 --> 00:05:29,240 Speaker 1: Um I okay. I want to start talking a little 88 00:05:29,279 --> 00:05:34,440 Speaker 1: bit about the Peyton and and her dad and Larry relationship. 89 00:05:34,600 --> 00:05:37,600 Speaker 1: I just loved Kevin Kilner in this episode. I love 90 00:05:37,680 --> 00:05:40,440 Speaker 1: him more and more every time we see him. And 91 00:05:41,040 --> 00:05:43,960 Speaker 1: you know, as much as we loved Thomas, you know, 92 00:05:44,040 --> 00:05:46,560 Speaker 1: we we have the situation that we have and we're 93 00:05:46,600 --> 00:05:50,040 Speaker 1: I'm so grateful that we got Kevin Kilner because he's 94 00:05:50,080 --> 00:05:54,320 Speaker 1: such a strong actor. But he also brings this really 95 00:05:55,600 --> 00:05:59,680 Speaker 1: um what's the word I'm looking for. He brings this 96 00:05:59,800 --> 00:06:03,520 Speaker 1: dad ad energy that's like the dad you want. He's protective, 97 00:06:03,600 --> 00:06:06,200 Speaker 1: he's showing up. He's so loving and engaged, but he 98 00:06:06,240 --> 00:06:12,000 Speaker 1: doesn't take any and it's it's very grounded. Kevin Kilner 99 00:06:12,120 --> 00:06:16,040 Speaker 1: built an intimacy with you that really looks like a 100 00:06:16,080 --> 00:06:18,680 Speaker 1: father and a daughter. It doesn't look like a guy 101 00:06:18,720 --> 00:06:22,720 Speaker 1: playing a dad. He feels like your dad and you. 102 00:06:23,320 --> 00:06:25,920 Speaker 1: What I love seeing about you and your scenes with him, 103 00:06:26,000 --> 00:06:30,480 Speaker 1: Hillary is that because Peyton finally has a real parental figure, 104 00:06:31,160 --> 00:06:32,960 Speaker 1: you don't have to act like the grown up in 105 00:06:33,000 --> 00:06:36,640 Speaker 1: the room. We see Peyton as a teenage girl who 106 00:06:36,760 --> 00:06:40,160 Speaker 1: is hurt and scared and angsty and breaking. She doesn't 107 00:06:40,160 --> 00:06:43,440 Speaker 1: know where to put a feelings. It's like, you look 108 00:06:43,640 --> 00:06:48,520 Speaker 1: so young because you've got a real dad to play off. 109 00:06:48,880 --> 00:06:52,240 Speaker 1: I hate watching TV shows where parents are just all 110 00:06:52,400 --> 00:06:56,400 Speaker 1: shucks and super cute see with the kids because it 111 00:06:56,560 --> 00:06:59,920 Speaker 1: sets up a false expectation. When I see it on TV. 112 00:07:00,000 --> 00:07:03,400 Speaker 1: Even my kids are watching TV, I'm like, bullsh Yeah, 113 00:07:03,720 --> 00:07:07,400 Speaker 1: you know that's not love. Also, when the kids are 114 00:07:07,440 --> 00:07:09,880 Speaker 1: super disrespectful to their parents, are throwing a fit or 115 00:07:09,920 --> 00:07:12,320 Speaker 1: having a heart even I wouldn't say Peyton was throwing 116 00:07:12,320 --> 00:07:14,960 Speaker 1: a fit but having going through a rough moment, but 117 00:07:15,040 --> 00:07:18,280 Speaker 1: like the parents, and a lot of these shows are like, oh, well, 118 00:07:18,360 --> 00:07:19,680 Speaker 1: I guess I'll get out of the way and let 119 00:07:19,680 --> 00:07:21,880 Speaker 1: you have. Like to have a parent that turns around 120 00:07:21,880 --> 00:07:24,640 Speaker 1: and shows up and says I care enough about you 121 00:07:24,680 --> 00:07:28,680 Speaker 1: to to acknowledge the fact that you are acting like this, 122 00:07:28,760 --> 00:07:32,200 Speaker 1: that you're being disrespectful, that you're misbehaving. You know, I 123 00:07:32,640 --> 00:07:34,600 Speaker 1: love you, and you have to look at the bigger 124 00:07:34,640 --> 00:07:36,640 Speaker 1: picture besides just what you see in front of you. 125 00:07:36,760 --> 00:07:40,920 Speaker 1: Right now, we need parents like that. Yeah, Tantrum is 126 00:07:40,960 --> 00:07:43,560 Speaker 1: a part of the human experience, whether you're an infant 127 00:07:44,040 --> 00:07:45,920 Speaker 1: or you're a teenager and you're acting out, or you're 128 00:07:45,920 --> 00:07:48,280 Speaker 1: an adult and you're still relying on the same coping 129 00:07:48,320 --> 00:07:51,840 Speaker 1: mechanisms who use as a child, like we all tantrum. 130 00:07:51,920 --> 00:07:54,280 Speaker 1: I have been in tantrum in the last week just 131 00:07:54,360 --> 00:07:57,480 Speaker 1: because I'm like, man, this isn't going my way, um, 132 00:07:57,760 --> 00:08:00,280 Speaker 1: And it is so important for the people that love 133 00:08:00,360 --> 00:08:02,920 Speaker 1: you to be able to show up and communicate clearly 134 00:08:02,920 --> 00:08:06,800 Speaker 1: with you. And Larry's doing that, and even Kilner so 135 00:08:06,880 --> 00:08:10,080 Speaker 1: quickly earned my respect because he was like a New 136 00:08:10,160 --> 00:08:13,200 Speaker 1: York guy. He was like a theater actor and he 137 00:08:13,280 --> 00:08:16,320 Speaker 1: had these chops and just like immediately put me on 138 00:08:16,400 --> 00:08:19,720 Speaker 1: my heels and he was like, watch what I can do. However, 139 00:08:19,920 --> 00:08:22,840 Speaker 1: the thing we all talked about while watching this was 140 00:08:23,080 --> 00:08:28,400 Speaker 1: I cannot separate him from Greenberg right now, like like 141 00:08:28,800 --> 00:08:32,160 Speaker 1: it has ruined any Jake crush that I had because 142 00:08:32,240 --> 00:08:36,600 Speaker 1: I am seeing dad Larry just like, oh no, they're 143 00:08:36,600 --> 00:08:40,400 Speaker 1: the same person. And the whole time I'm watching Larry 144 00:08:40,679 --> 00:08:44,920 Speaker 1: reprimand Peyton and be like, don't you dare like question 145 00:08:45,040 --> 00:08:47,680 Speaker 1: the judgments that we made. You don't know, Ellie, she's 146 00:08:47,679 --> 00:08:50,720 Speaker 1: a drug addict. She's dangerous. My job is to protect you. 147 00:08:50,760 --> 00:08:53,760 Speaker 1: That woman is a threat. All I can do is 148 00:08:53,800 --> 00:08:58,680 Speaker 1: here Jake talking to sixteen seventeen year old Jenny being like, 149 00:08:58,920 --> 00:09:02,160 Speaker 1: you don't know what I know about your mother? Do 150 00:09:02,160 --> 00:09:05,959 Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Like? Yes, And I think 151 00:09:06,040 --> 00:09:08,559 Speaker 1: Kevin Kilner when we filmed this is very close in 152 00:09:08,640 --> 00:09:12,679 Speaker 1: age to how Greenberg is now and just the similarities are. 153 00:09:13,160 --> 00:09:16,120 Speaker 1: It's wild. And you know, I love that they gave 154 00:09:16,240 --> 00:09:20,920 Speaker 1: him that moment with you of saying, one day you're 155 00:09:20,920 --> 00:09:22,040 Speaker 1: going to be a grown up and you're not going 156 00:09:22,080 --> 00:09:26,120 Speaker 1: to have all the answers either, Because we do, especially 157 00:09:26,200 --> 00:09:30,400 Speaker 1: when we're young and we don't know yet that our 158 00:09:30,400 --> 00:09:34,120 Speaker 1: parents are just people trying to figure it out. We 159 00:09:34,240 --> 00:09:37,480 Speaker 1: lionize them. We assume they know everything. We we looked 160 00:09:37,480 --> 00:09:39,960 Speaker 1: to them like we did when we were little, like 161 00:09:40,120 --> 00:09:44,640 Speaker 1: you keep me alive, and then as you get you 162 00:09:44,720 --> 00:09:48,520 Speaker 1: keep me alive, you must know everything? And then Wow. 163 00:09:48,840 --> 00:09:51,719 Speaker 1: And then you know, you get older and you're like, oh, 164 00:09:51,840 --> 00:09:54,920 Speaker 1: are you as confused as me? And they let you 165 00:09:55,000 --> 00:10:00,480 Speaker 1: take a baby home from the hospital really sing you 166 00:10:00,559 --> 00:10:03,920 Speaker 1: realize nobody knows what they're doing. And and I love 167 00:10:04,000 --> 00:10:08,079 Speaker 1: that in that moment of hurt and anger and confusion 168 00:10:08,160 --> 00:10:11,720 Speaker 1: for her, he in his own anger and in his 169 00:10:11,760 --> 00:10:15,120 Speaker 1: own defense of her mother is saying like, you'll be 170 00:10:15,280 --> 00:10:18,400 Speaker 1: the person who doesn't know the right thing to do someday. Yeah. 171 00:10:18,600 --> 00:10:20,880 Speaker 1: I thought that was beautiful. It's kind of the secret 172 00:10:21,000 --> 00:10:23,640 Speaker 1: to life, I think in a lot of ways, and 173 00:10:23,800 --> 00:10:27,600 Speaker 1: realizing hitting that moment where you realize, oh, nobody has 174 00:10:27,640 --> 00:10:31,200 Speaker 1: all the answers. That's that is the thing, is that 175 00:10:31,240 --> 00:10:35,320 Speaker 1: we're all just trying to figure it out. And yeah, 176 00:10:35,360 --> 00:10:37,640 Speaker 1: as kids, you look to your parents as these are 177 00:10:37,640 --> 00:10:39,560 Speaker 1: the people who have and and that has to exist 178 00:10:39,640 --> 00:10:42,600 Speaker 1: to some degree. There have to be structure and boundaries. 179 00:10:42,600 --> 00:10:45,160 Speaker 1: You can't just be a free for all for kids. 180 00:10:45,400 --> 00:10:50,160 Speaker 1: But to be able to have that realization moment which 181 00:10:50,200 --> 00:10:51,920 Speaker 1: happens for a lot of us in high school and 182 00:10:52,080 --> 00:10:55,880 Speaker 1: college and you go, oh, okay, but have you guys 183 00:10:55,920 --> 00:10:59,320 Speaker 1: experienced that in real life now? Because because I'm living 184 00:10:59,400 --> 00:11:01,680 Speaker 1: this parallel all universe from when we were on the show. 185 00:11:01,760 --> 00:11:04,960 Speaker 1: Remember when we were playing teenagers and we had older 186 00:11:05,000 --> 00:11:08,320 Speaker 1: women like Jojo and Kelly Jefferson, our makeup artist, and 187 00:11:08,440 --> 00:11:11,000 Speaker 1: Jane back in wardrobe, and these women who were a 188 00:11:11,040 --> 00:11:14,000 Speaker 1: little bit older than us telling us like be nice 189 00:11:14,040 --> 00:11:16,959 Speaker 1: to each other, be a good like sister friend, like 190 00:11:17,320 --> 00:11:19,120 Speaker 1: show up, you know, Like they were like giving us 191 00:11:19,160 --> 00:11:20,840 Speaker 1: all this advice. And they were just like, it's not 192 00:11:20,920 --> 00:11:25,800 Speaker 1: that bad. Y'all are so melodramatic, and they were. They 193 00:11:25,800 --> 00:11:28,120 Speaker 1: were telling us. I mean, I remember Jojo telling us like, 194 00:11:28,400 --> 00:11:31,160 Speaker 1: we're shorter skirts while your legs still look good, you know, 195 00:11:31,360 --> 00:11:34,760 Speaker 1: And so they're like giving us. She was like, you're 196 00:11:34,760 --> 00:11:38,120 Speaker 1: gonna want this on film, you know, and showed up, babe. 197 00:11:38,920 --> 00:11:40,920 Speaker 1: So we had that your mama gave you. We had 198 00:11:40,960 --> 00:11:43,839 Speaker 1: these They weren't parental figures, but they were certainly people 199 00:11:43,880 --> 00:11:48,400 Speaker 1: that we looked to and trusted. Right, I've got all 200 00:11:48,440 --> 00:11:51,040 Speaker 1: these like girls and like actually just young people in 201 00:11:51,080 --> 00:11:54,280 Speaker 1: their early twenties right now that I'm working with, and 202 00:11:54,440 --> 00:11:58,200 Speaker 1: I hear myself saying all the same things. It's just 203 00:11:58,280 --> 00:12:01,120 Speaker 1: this like constant cycle of Joe Joe is ms and 204 00:12:01,280 --> 00:12:06,680 Speaker 1: just like you know, on repeat, I wonder, like I 205 00:12:06,720 --> 00:12:09,600 Speaker 1: wonder what the next cycle is, Like I don't know 206 00:12:09,640 --> 00:12:11,400 Speaker 1: what the next cycle is. Who are we looking to 207 00:12:11,600 --> 00:12:14,360 Speaker 1: right now that we're going to be in fifteen twenty years? 208 00:12:14,960 --> 00:12:17,120 Speaker 1: I don't know. Is it all the women who just 209 00:12:17,160 --> 00:12:22,280 Speaker 1: don't care anymore? They just maybe that joy like fingers crossed, 210 00:12:22,640 --> 00:12:28,920 Speaker 1: like let's just let's go be real. It's funny like 211 00:12:28,960 --> 00:12:31,600 Speaker 1: when you say who are we looking to? Like I 212 00:12:31,640 --> 00:12:35,840 Speaker 1: think about women in my life who, yeah, are in 213 00:12:35,880 --> 00:12:41,439 Speaker 1: that bracket above us, who I'm watching do such interesting 214 00:12:41,559 --> 00:12:47,560 Speaker 1: things with their personal brand of leadership. Like I had 215 00:12:47,800 --> 00:12:50,520 Speaker 1: Kirsten Jilla Brand on the podcast a couple of years ago, 216 00:12:51,120 --> 00:12:53,079 Speaker 1: and like it's weird to me that I can text 217 00:12:53,080 --> 00:12:55,679 Speaker 1: the state senator, but like I have questions about things 218 00:12:55,720 --> 00:13:00,440 Speaker 1: going on in America and I'm like, hey, run, can 219 00:13:00,480 --> 00:13:03,760 Speaker 1: I ask you something? And she's such a badass and 220 00:13:03,840 --> 00:13:05,640 Speaker 1: she's just like, well, we could propose a bill, we 221 00:13:05,679 --> 00:13:08,040 Speaker 1: could solve it this way, and here's the thing. And 222 00:13:08,040 --> 00:13:11,960 Speaker 1: and to see this woman who is, you know, a mentor, 223 00:13:12,120 --> 00:13:14,640 Speaker 1: she's on that cusp like Jojo and all those ladies 224 00:13:14,720 --> 00:13:17,480 Speaker 1: were of being a mentor and a friend, you know, 225 00:13:17,520 --> 00:13:20,199 Speaker 1: And I just watched her like lead a state and 226 00:13:20,320 --> 00:13:24,960 Speaker 1: be a great mom and and lean into serving people. 227 00:13:25,559 --> 00:13:27,760 Speaker 1: And then you know, you flip it, like in our 228 00:13:27,760 --> 00:13:30,280 Speaker 1: own industry and you look at what Rhese Witherspoon is 229 00:13:30,320 --> 00:13:33,240 Speaker 1: built with her production company, and she was like, yeah, 230 00:13:33,360 --> 00:13:35,960 Speaker 1: I was arguable, in arguably one of the most successful 231 00:13:36,000 --> 00:13:38,760 Speaker 1: actresses in the industry and couldn't get jobs that were 232 00:13:38,800 --> 00:13:42,440 Speaker 1: interesting and everyone was demeaning to women, and so I 233 00:13:42,520 --> 00:13:46,720 Speaker 1: just made cool shows about women. And so I love 234 00:13:46,800 --> 00:13:49,319 Speaker 1: being able to look at those women who are just 235 00:13:49,360 --> 00:13:53,480 Speaker 1: like ten to fifteen years ahead of us, and they're 236 00:13:53,800 --> 00:13:57,120 Speaker 1: nailing it, and I'm like, yeah, we're gonna be fine, 237 00:13:57,440 --> 00:14:00,280 Speaker 1: But they also still don't have the answers you know, like, 238 00:14:00,280 --> 00:14:03,760 Speaker 1: well he does. Yeah. It's it's that realization. It's like 239 00:14:03,800 --> 00:14:05,680 Speaker 1: when you're a little kid, when you're a little like 240 00:14:05,760 --> 00:14:08,240 Speaker 1: teenager baby, you think you're supposed to have them, and 241 00:14:08,280 --> 00:14:10,480 Speaker 1: you get really paranoid that you don't, and then you're 242 00:14:10,480 --> 00:14:12,440 Speaker 1: in your twenties and you're like, but where are they. 243 00:14:12,480 --> 00:14:14,560 Speaker 1: I'm still looking, and then you hit our age and 244 00:14:14,559 --> 00:14:19,280 Speaker 1: you're like, oh, oh, I should have listened, Like they're nowhere. 245 00:14:20,080 --> 00:14:23,360 Speaker 1: They're missed. I think it just breathed. Then it once 246 00:14:23,400 --> 00:14:25,520 Speaker 1: you hit that point where we're at now, maybe it 247 00:14:25,600 --> 00:14:28,400 Speaker 1: just breeds. That's the where it breeds the confidence to go, 248 00:14:28,520 --> 00:14:30,280 Speaker 1: oh well, then I have nothing to be afraid of. 249 00:14:30,320 --> 00:14:32,680 Speaker 1: I can just go ask all the questions. I can 250 00:14:32,720 --> 00:14:35,680 Speaker 1: just go for it in every area instead of so 251 00:14:35,760 --> 00:14:38,120 Speaker 1: it's that's the natural progression, is that there is so 252 00:14:38,200 --> 00:14:40,080 Speaker 1: much fear and so many things that we're holding onto 253 00:14:40,080 --> 00:14:42,520 Speaker 1: when we're young, and once you hit that point where 254 00:14:42,560 --> 00:14:44,920 Speaker 1: it's like, oh wait, nothing none of that matters. I 255 00:14:44,920 --> 00:14:46,960 Speaker 1: can just I can just like go for it and 256 00:14:47,000 --> 00:14:49,240 Speaker 1: do whatever I want and see how it all turns 257 00:14:49,280 --> 00:14:51,480 Speaker 1: out okay. And I think that's probably what the next 258 00:14:51,480 --> 00:14:55,040 Speaker 1: twenty years holds for us. I think one of the 259 00:14:55,120 --> 00:14:59,560 Speaker 1: greatest AHA moments in my life was when I realized 260 00:14:59,840 --> 00:15:05,480 Speaker 1: the most empowering thing I could say to anyone, and 261 00:15:05,480 --> 00:15:07,240 Speaker 1: the thing I love to hear the most from other 262 00:15:07,280 --> 00:15:09,400 Speaker 1: people is I don't know a lot about that. Will 263 00:15:09,440 --> 00:15:12,280 Speaker 1: you tell me more? Yeah, that's a sexy thing to say. 264 00:15:13,160 --> 00:15:15,520 Speaker 1: When somebody's like, I have no idea what the answer is, 265 00:15:15,560 --> 00:15:20,360 Speaker 1: let's figure it out together, I'm just like, oh my god, glorious. 266 00:15:20,920 --> 00:15:22,760 Speaker 1: And I do think you're right. Joy I think that 267 00:15:22,760 --> 00:15:28,480 Speaker 1: that comes with age. I think it comes with understanding 268 00:15:28,520 --> 00:15:31,040 Speaker 1: that the fear that you're the only one in the 269 00:15:31,120 --> 00:15:33,640 Speaker 1: room who doesn't know everything or have it all together 270 00:15:33,800 --> 00:15:37,160 Speaker 1: is a total myth. And once you realize it's a myth, 271 00:15:37,200 --> 00:15:39,800 Speaker 1: you're you're free of it. Yeah, because so much of 272 00:15:39,800 --> 00:15:43,520 Speaker 1: our identity as we're growing up is built around what 273 00:15:43,560 --> 00:15:46,800 Speaker 1: we wanting other people to like us and wanting to 274 00:15:46,840 --> 00:15:51,120 Speaker 1: fit into whatever group it is. It. Yeah, and it's 275 00:15:51,160 --> 00:15:53,320 Speaker 1: scary to be in a room with people that where 276 00:15:53,360 --> 00:15:54,960 Speaker 1: you feel like you're the only one who doesn't know 277 00:15:55,000 --> 00:15:57,120 Speaker 1: what's going on or doesn't and so we will make 278 00:15:57,160 --> 00:15:59,480 Speaker 1: things up or we you know, we come up with 279 00:16:00,600 --> 00:16:02,200 Speaker 1: things to make a sound like we know what we're 280 00:16:02,200 --> 00:16:04,600 Speaker 1: talking about. It is so nice to just be able 281 00:16:04,600 --> 00:16:07,040 Speaker 1: to say, you know, I just don't know enough about 282 00:16:07,040 --> 00:16:09,240 Speaker 1: that to to talk about it, but I'm super interested 283 00:16:09,280 --> 00:16:11,320 Speaker 1: in what you have to say, and you know, I'm 284 00:16:11,400 --> 00:16:15,640 Speaker 1: learning as I go. That's super engaging, I think. And 285 00:16:15,680 --> 00:16:19,480 Speaker 1: I think when we think about being in this moment 286 00:16:19,560 --> 00:16:22,760 Speaker 1: where we're looking back remembering how we felt and also 287 00:16:22,800 --> 00:16:26,920 Speaker 1: the teens we were playing, you see it as as 288 00:16:26,960 --> 00:16:30,360 Speaker 1: a marker of age. You know, there's that scene at 289 00:16:30,360 --> 00:16:34,520 Speaker 1: the bonfire where Brooke and Lucas are talking and he 290 00:16:34,560 --> 00:16:37,440 Speaker 1: wants to seem cool and she's saying she's having a 291 00:16:37,480 --> 00:16:39,880 Speaker 1: great time, but she really just wants him to say, 292 00:16:40,280 --> 00:16:43,000 Speaker 1: we leave with me, but he doesn't. He's like, you 293 00:16:43,040 --> 00:16:45,840 Speaker 1: do you? You know, have a good night, and the 294 00:16:46,000 --> 00:16:49,640 Speaker 1: letdown on her face is so apparent, and you can 295 00:16:49,680 --> 00:16:51,640 Speaker 1: see that it's hard for him to say it. And 296 00:16:51,680 --> 00:16:53,720 Speaker 1: there are two people who aren't willing to admit that 297 00:16:53,760 --> 00:16:56,480 Speaker 1: they don't know what the other person is feeling, so 298 00:16:56,520 --> 00:17:00,560 Speaker 1: they're blowing it. They won't just ask because it's too vulnerable. 299 00:17:01,000 --> 00:17:04,360 Speaker 1: Haley are doing the exact opposite things like Haley's like, no, no, no, 300 00:17:04,400 --> 00:17:06,800 Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you exactly what I want. We're going 301 00:17:06,840 --> 00:17:09,560 Speaker 1: to be together and I'm not going anywhere and I'm 302 00:17:09,600 --> 00:17:13,120 Speaker 1: calling my shot. Meanwhile, Brooks like, I don't know. Guess. 303 00:17:22,960 --> 00:17:25,320 Speaker 1: When I'm watching Haley in this episode, I feel like 304 00:17:25,359 --> 00:17:28,399 Speaker 1: she really was coming into her confidence because of everything 305 00:17:28,440 --> 00:17:30,840 Speaker 1: that she's been through. There's a little bit of that Okay, 306 00:17:30,880 --> 00:17:32,800 Speaker 1: I took the risk, I took the leap, and now 307 00:17:33,440 --> 00:17:37,119 Speaker 1: seeing her blossom into that, uh, not just her you know, 308 00:17:37,160 --> 00:17:40,440 Speaker 1: the snarkiness and her personality or like, you know, she's 309 00:17:40,520 --> 00:17:44,200 Speaker 1: much more comfortable in her skin, and she's comfortable being 310 00:17:44,240 --> 00:17:47,120 Speaker 1: able to say like, Okay, I'm going out of a limb, 311 00:17:47,119 --> 00:17:49,000 Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you exactly what I'm looking for, which 312 00:17:49,040 --> 00:17:52,560 Speaker 1: is very different from first season Haley, who was a lot, 313 00:17:52,640 --> 00:17:54,840 Speaker 1: a lot more scared, a lot, more like kept everything 314 00:17:54,840 --> 00:17:56,879 Speaker 1: really close to the vest, and now she's just like 315 00:17:57,359 --> 00:18:00,399 Speaker 1: hard on her sleeve, going for it. Just kind of 316 00:18:00,400 --> 00:18:01,679 Speaker 1: cool because I don't know if she would have been 317 00:18:01,680 --> 00:18:05,440 Speaker 1: able to fight for her marriage in that way if 318 00:18:05,480 --> 00:18:07,800 Speaker 1: something had happened before. It's like she needed to go 319 00:18:07,920 --> 00:18:10,720 Speaker 1: through this experience of putting herself out there on stage 320 00:18:10,760 --> 00:18:13,239 Speaker 1: and for the world, and now she can do it 321 00:18:13,280 --> 00:18:16,959 Speaker 1: in her personal life well, and she needed something that 322 00:18:17,119 --> 00:18:23,760 Speaker 1: was just for her so she could know that it 323 00:18:23,880 --> 00:18:27,119 Speaker 1: was her as an individual that chose her marriage, not 324 00:18:27,280 --> 00:18:31,640 Speaker 1: her in partnership choosing a partner. It's Haley the individual 325 00:18:31,760 --> 00:18:37,199 Speaker 1: choosing Nathan, the individual. She'd always been in partnership before that. 326 00:18:37,680 --> 00:18:39,760 Speaker 1: And it's cool because she's like, no, now I know 327 00:18:39,840 --> 00:18:42,480 Speaker 1: what I want, exactly what I want. I don't even 328 00:18:42,520 --> 00:18:44,040 Speaker 1: care if it's what you want, it's what I want, 329 00:18:44,080 --> 00:18:47,040 Speaker 1: And this is where we're going and it's it's it 330 00:18:47,200 --> 00:18:50,600 Speaker 1: is it's a confidence that's new, and it's it's bold, 331 00:18:50,640 --> 00:18:53,960 Speaker 1: and it's sexy and it's so appealing. If this storyline 332 00:18:54,000 --> 00:18:56,720 Speaker 1: of like Haley and Nathan breaking up had happened in 333 00:18:56,800 --> 00:19:00,239 Speaker 1: like season six, when we had totally jumped the ark, 334 00:19:00,680 --> 00:19:05,240 Speaker 1: you would have gone totally like burning bunnies on him, 335 00:19:05,400 --> 00:19:09,720 Speaker 1: like they turned everything up to eleven in the later seasons. 336 00:19:10,160 --> 00:19:12,119 Speaker 1: So I love do you know what I mean? Like 337 00:19:12,160 --> 00:19:17,200 Speaker 1: they would have had talking Nathan and being like, we're 338 00:19:17,200 --> 00:19:24,320 Speaker 1: gonna be together. So I like subtle but firm Haley. 339 00:19:24,440 --> 00:19:27,040 Speaker 1: I appreciate season three Haley with her good hair and 340 00:19:27,400 --> 00:19:31,520 Speaker 1: awesome outfits and that great bill on the beach. I 341 00:19:31,640 --> 00:19:34,359 Speaker 1: love it, love that outfit. Okay, why do you think 342 00:19:34,400 --> 00:19:38,200 Speaker 1: that Nathan can't get over it because he's a dude. 343 00:19:39,600 --> 00:19:41,960 Speaker 1: Look what what is it about men that has that heart? 344 00:19:41,960 --> 00:19:44,840 Speaker 1: Because I've been I've you know, I'll be brief, but 345 00:19:44,960 --> 00:19:48,600 Speaker 1: I've been through a scenario like this before romantically, where 346 00:19:48,760 --> 00:19:51,800 Speaker 1: you know, I dated someone for a while and I 347 00:19:51,960 --> 00:19:54,200 Speaker 1: really there were some things that I just really wasn't 348 00:19:54,200 --> 00:19:56,119 Speaker 1: sure about, some red flags and some stuff, and so 349 00:19:56,440 --> 00:19:58,520 Speaker 1: I ended things. And then a couple of weeks later, 350 00:19:58,560 --> 00:20:00,320 Speaker 1: I was like, listen, you know at this break really 351 00:20:00,320 --> 00:20:03,239 Speaker 1: isn't working for me. I'm actually super in love with 352 00:20:03,280 --> 00:20:05,040 Speaker 1: you and I want to figure out how to make 353 00:20:05,080 --> 00:20:09,120 Speaker 1: this work. And he was like, uh, I just kind 354 00:20:09,160 --> 00:20:10,920 Speaker 1: of got over you, Like it took me a minute. 355 00:20:10,920 --> 00:20:13,040 Speaker 1: It was really really really intense, and then I got 356 00:20:13,040 --> 00:20:16,040 Speaker 1: over you. And now I'm like, not really sure if 357 00:20:16,080 --> 00:20:18,400 Speaker 1: we can just go. I can't like jump right back 358 00:20:18,400 --> 00:20:22,040 Speaker 1: in because I finally person. I want to punch this 359 00:20:22,119 --> 00:20:25,280 Speaker 1: person to know. I did too, because we spent the 360 00:20:25,280 --> 00:20:26,680 Speaker 1: next like two years trying to figure out how to 361 00:20:26,720 --> 00:20:28,119 Speaker 1: be together, and finally it was just like, oh, I 362 00:20:28,160 --> 00:20:30,080 Speaker 1: give up, but like, well I can't. I can't keep 363 00:20:30,119 --> 00:20:34,240 Speaker 1: you can like it is now scorched earth, goodbye. Yeah exactly, 364 00:20:35,880 --> 00:20:40,280 Speaker 1: I know, but you know what I mean. I don't know, 365 00:20:40,800 --> 00:20:42,679 Speaker 1: but you want to do anything. They have like a 366 00:20:43,040 --> 00:20:46,760 Speaker 1: they have this wall, but I think people have people 367 00:20:46,800 --> 00:20:50,320 Speaker 1: like It's one thing if someone says I'm not sure, 368 00:20:50,359 --> 00:20:52,080 Speaker 1: I'm scared, I don't want to do this, and then 369 00:20:52,640 --> 00:20:56,000 Speaker 1: as you're saying you did, comes back and you say, actually, 370 00:20:56,119 --> 00:20:57,840 Speaker 1: I was scared because I'm so in love with you 371 00:20:57,920 --> 00:21:00,399 Speaker 1: and I'm still in love with you and I learned 372 00:21:00,440 --> 00:21:06,280 Speaker 1: something that's a person having an emotional experiences, Like that's 373 00:21:06,280 --> 00:21:12,520 Speaker 1: how every flow. But there's but there's also the reality 374 00:21:12,560 --> 00:21:16,800 Speaker 1: of when someone breaks your trust. Maybe that's emotional trust, 375 00:21:16,840 --> 00:21:21,680 Speaker 1: but also there's trust trust. And Nathan is sitting here, going, 376 00:21:21,920 --> 00:21:24,920 Speaker 1: you cheated on me with someone. You kissed another man 377 00:21:25,600 --> 00:21:30,240 Speaker 1: and then left with him, and like look different. Yeah, 378 00:21:30,240 --> 00:21:33,200 Speaker 1: it's different. And I know in the world of like cheating, 379 00:21:34,040 --> 00:21:36,600 Speaker 1: it's tame. It's a kiss. It's not like you know, 380 00:21:36,640 --> 00:21:38,520 Speaker 1: she went and slept with this person or had a 381 00:21:38,560 --> 00:21:41,439 Speaker 1: month's long affair with this person. Granted it may have 382 00:21:41,480 --> 00:21:44,680 Speaker 1: been an emotional affair, but like, if we're talking about 383 00:21:45,760 --> 00:21:49,160 Speaker 1: I've been through infidelity, you want to see my scorched earth, 384 00:21:49,280 --> 00:21:52,960 Speaker 1: Like the door is closed, the drawbridges down, I've put 385 00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:55,199 Speaker 1: alligators in the mode, and I will kill you if 386 00:21:55,240 --> 00:22:00,480 Speaker 1: you come close to me, Like it's just like a bye, 387 00:22:01,200 --> 00:22:05,679 Speaker 1: it's by alligators in your Oh yeah, alligators in the moment. 388 00:22:05,760 --> 00:22:08,480 Speaker 1: I'm just like, I'm like, try coming to the castle. 389 00:22:08,520 --> 00:22:15,000 Speaker 1: I'll kill you. So look, could I get over it? 390 00:22:15,040 --> 00:22:17,320 Speaker 1: If someone said I made a mistake and I got 391 00:22:17,400 --> 00:22:19,439 Speaker 1: kissed or it happened, and then he was like no, 392 00:22:19,480 --> 00:22:21,560 Speaker 1: I don't want to do that. I could probably get 393 00:22:21,600 --> 00:22:24,919 Speaker 1: over that. I would be bummed. I don't know if 394 00:22:24,960 --> 00:22:27,320 Speaker 1: I could get over it if my partner was like, 395 00:22:27,640 --> 00:22:30,160 Speaker 1: this thing happened and it was really uncomfortable. And then 396 00:22:30,240 --> 00:22:32,199 Speaker 1: I realized it was uncomfortable and I got out of 397 00:22:32,200 --> 00:22:34,000 Speaker 1: it as quickly as I could, and then was like, 398 00:22:34,200 --> 00:22:36,359 Speaker 1: but I am going to go on the book tour 399 00:22:36,440 --> 00:22:41,600 Speaker 1: with this person. I'd be like what he so, Yeah, 400 00:22:41,720 --> 00:22:46,800 Speaker 1: I don't know. I hear what you're saying. Because the 401 00:22:46,920 --> 00:22:50,480 Speaker 1: first club, the kisses, the thing, the tours, the thing, 402 00:22:50,920 --> 00:22:54,000 Speaker 1: the tour with the kiss guy. Yeah, that's the choice. 403 00:22:54,480 --> 00:22:57,640 Speaker 1: It's a big choice. God. Well, here I was feeling 404 00:22:57,800 --> 00:23:01,040 Speaker 1: real bad about how bitchy Peyton was, and now Sophia 405 00:23:01,160 --> 00:23:04,000 Speaker 1: just talked me right out about emotion I'm good with 406 00:23:04,960 --> 00:23:08,800 Speaker 1: Peyton was the alligator in the most hotel in this episode. 407 00:23:09,960 --> 00:23:12,840 Speaker 1: You're right, that was a big that's a really big deal. 408 00:23:13,160 --> 00:23:16,080 Speaker 1: And for a high schooler, and especially somebody like Nathan 409 00:23:16,119 --> 00:23:19,760 Speaker 1: who hasn't been emotionally vulnerable with anyone except this girl, 410 00:23:19,840 --> 00:23:22,639 Speaker 1: like he finally made it all out for her. And 411 00:23:22,680 --> 00:23:25,760 Speaker 1: then she was like, Okay, but just sit here with 412 00:23:25,800 --> 00:23:28,479 Speaker 1: your emotions. And deal with it because I gotta go 413 00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:35,320 Speaker 1: on this bus with this guy you're very threatened by. Yeah, guys, 414 00:23:35,400 --> 00:23:39,560 Speaker 1: we have to do an abbreviated version of these episodes 415 00:23:39,600 --> 00:23:43,080 Speaker 1: as grown as women were we talking about doing like 416 00:23:43,240 --> 00:23:50,480 Speaker 1: drunk history, but drunk ot history. Okay, but you're gonna 417 00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:57,040 Speaker 1: have to sit here. Awesome, just awesome. Don't be mad. 418 00:23:57,119 --> 00:23:59,080 Speaker 1: I'm just gonna go get on this bus with the guy. 419 00:23:59,119 --> 00:24:00,720 Speaker 1: I don't think it's in the one time you need 420 00:24:00,760 --> 00:24:08,119 Speaker 1: to relax. I see you. When I see you, everything's fine. 421 00:24:11,920 --> 00:24:13,760 Speaker 1: You know. I love it a lot. You know. What 422 00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:16,720 Speaker 1: I think is interesting though, is like joy even hearing 423 00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:20,200 Speaker 1: your perspective where you're going. Why can't he get over it? 424 00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:23,760 Speaker 1: Because as a viewer, how she feels for him is 425 00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:26,600 Speaker 1: so apparent to you and to the two of us. 426 00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:30,679 Speaker 1: And that's why it works. I think that's why the 427 00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:35,000 Speaker 1: audience always rooted for them, because the audience knew what 428 00:24:35,119 --> 00:24:38,040 Speaker 1: Nathan didn't, which was she didn't mean it. She didn't 429 00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:42,760 Speaker 1: love that guy. She loves you. Everybody makes mistakes and 430 00:24:42,760 --> 00:24:46,359 Speaker 1: and and it it's such a fun relationship to watch 431 00:24:46,440 --> 00:24:48,520 Speaker 1: because he's going to heal the way he needs to, 432 00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:50,439 Speaker 1: and he's going to take the time he needs to, 433 00:24:51,040 --> 00:24:57,399 Speaker 1: but we all as viewers unequivocally know that he's the 434 00:24:57,440 --> 00:25:01,960 Speaker 1: guy for her. And it's was sad me not the television. 435 00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:03,800 Speaker 1: It's like when you see someone go into a wanted house. 436 00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:08,080 Speaker 1: You you're like, because the babies that are going upstairs, 437 00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:12,520 Speaker 1: you know. It almost makes Antoine's philosophy of only reading 438 00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:15,320 Speaker 1: your parts of the script makes so much sense, because 439 00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:19,119 Speaker 1: how could James play this frigidness with Haley if he 440 00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:24,880 Speaker 1: knew all the things that we know that we see. Um, 441 00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:28,040 Speaker 1: that makes total sense. He's doing a great job, though, 442 00:25:28,520 --> 00:25:32,840 Speaker 1: I mean, that is cold. Angry. James is the scariest, Like, 443 00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:35,680 Speaker 1: you don't you don't want to You're like, please, don't 444 00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:38,040 Speaker 1: ever be mad at me. Now listen. Once he levels 445 00:25:38,080 --> 00:25:41,160 Speaker 1: up into Kevin Kilner territory and starts playing mad Dad, 446 00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:44,480 Speaker 1: you just signed me right up because I made James 447 00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:50,840 Speaker 1: Lapperton as mad Dad. For sure. James doesn't explode. James 448 00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:54,480 Speaker 1: is just done. Yes, he just you know what I mean. 449 00:25:55,080 --> 00:25:58,080 Speaker 1: And Nathan is the same way. It's like, there's no explosion. 450 00:25:58,280 --> 00:26:02,000 Speaker 1: It's oh no, the the walls, the drop ridges up, 451 00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:06,360 Speaker 1: there's alligators in the moat and yeah, there's no similar. 452 00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:11,399 Speaker 1: It's It's actually very funny because seeing Brooke and Nathan 453 00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:14,320 Speaker 1: in their parallel in this episode, then winding up alone 454 00:26:14,359 --> 00:26:20,920 Speaker 1: together watching Haley and Lucas walk off, I remembered I 455 00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:22,800 Speaker 1: loved that moment, but you know what bummed me out. 456 00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:27,879 Speaker 1: I do remember we shared a moment James and I. 457 00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:31,240 Speaker 1: You know, Brooke is standing there. Lucas has just left 458 00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:32,720 Speaker 1: and said I'm the guy for you and you're going 459 00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:36,399 Speaker 1: to see, you know, and she's wondering if she can 460 00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:39,040 Speaker 1: trust him. Haley has said I'm not going anywhere, and 461 00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:43,160 Speaker 1: Nathan's like, yeah, okay. He's like he's got to wait 462 00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:45,200 Speaker 1: and see. Is she really going to say? Are these 463 00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:48,800 Speaker 1: two going to prove it to two? Broke into Nathan 464 00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:52,960 Speaker 1: and I remember in the blocking when Lucas walks away 465 00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:56,280 Speaker 1: from Brooke standing there, you know, the she kind of 466 00:26:56,600 --> 00:26:58,720 Speaker 1: she I, it's so weird to talk about our characters. 467 00:26:59,080 --> 00:27:01,800 Speaker 1: I like took a step from the Lifeguard boys. She I, 468 00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:05,120 Speaker 1: we we Brooke and eye. Um we walked away from 469 00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:11,040 Speaker 1: the Lifeguards and then the screen Yeah, I'm so confused. 470 00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:16,960 Speaker 1: Whatever um And then James walks up to me and 471 00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:20,000 Speaker 1: we watched the two of you walk away, and I 472 00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:23,000 Speaker 1: remember there was there was a take, as you would 473 00:27:23,359 --> 00:27:26,160 Speaker 1: where we looked at each other and then we looked 474 00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:30,680 Speaker 1: at you two, and I understand the direction they wanted 475 00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:33,760 Speaker 1: to discern that it's a much farther road for Haley 476 00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:36,280 Speaker 1: and Nathan than it is for Brooke and Lucas. And 477 00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:39,440 Speaker 1: so then then there was the request to don't look 478 00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:41,320 Speaker 1: at him. You know, you guys standing side by side 479 00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:45,000 Speaker 1: communicates it enough and and maybe you're hopeful, and that's 480 00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:47,960 Speaker 1: what made it. In the episode, Brooke and Nathan never 481 00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:50,199 Speaker 1: make eye contact, and brook kind of smiles, thinking like, 482 00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:54,400 Speaker 1: oh wow, he's really he's really showing up. And I 483 00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:59,040 Speaker 1: get it, but man, I missed. I missed these two 484 00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:03,080 Speaker 1: people having their moment of like, wow, we're kind of 485 00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:08,439 Speaker 1: on an island. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's what's so interesting 486 00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:12,600 Speaker 1: about what we do is it's art, like everyone has 487 00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:16,400 Speaker 1: an opinion and there's a million versions. It's like sliding doors. 488 00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:19,560 Speaker 1: Both scenes would have worked, but our director liked it 489 00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:22,119 Speaker 1: better that Brooke was happy and didn't look at Nathan. 490 00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:25,639 Speaker 1: And it's it's so cool to me that like every 491 00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:29,400 Speaker 1: version has its own life, because Brooks also the only 492 00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:35,240 Speaker 1: person not wallowing in anything right now. We needed you 493 00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:37,639 Speaker 1: to be the sunshine in that little yellow shirt because 494 00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:40,520 Speaker 1: you were like the only you have so much fun. 495 00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:44,240 Speaker 1: You know what I realized in this episode, Brooke singlehandedly 496 00:28:44,360 --> 00:28:49,040 Speaker 1: embodies every character on Sex in the City. Oh my god, 497 00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:52,960 Speaker 1: thank you, all of them. You're all of them. Think 498 00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:56,400 Speaker 1: about that for a second. She's totally got the Charlotte 499 00:28:56,400 --> 00:28:59,400 Speaker 1: mom energy right now, like taking care of everyone. The 500 00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:02,840 Speaker 1: skive is any dipping, you know, running around playing with 501 00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:07,239 Speaker 1: all the boys. Brook that is, um, what's Samantha? And 502 00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:11,520 Speaker 1: then what's Cynthia Nixon's character's name. Miranda's like into politics 503 00:29:11,560 --> 00:29:14,440 Speaker 1: and she's like super you know, and she's like, yeah, 504 00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:17,760 Speaker 1: getting into politics and education and you know, caring about 505 00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:20,640 Speaker 1: causes and all of that. And then Sarah Jessica Parker 506 00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:22,880 Speaker 1: always has the most amazing outfits and who's just like 507 00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:25,760 Speaker 1: super emotionally raw and vulnerable and always just wants to 508 00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:28,080 Speaker 1: be in the right place with the right The best 509 00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:31,160 Speaker 1: day of my life. You did it. This is the 510 00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:34,360 Speaker 1: happiest day in my life. You don't check Check. You 511 00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:36,160 Speaker 1: don't even need to watch Sex in the City anymore. 512 00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:39,680 Speaker 1: Just watch Brooke in Onetrey Hill. That's Oh my god. 513 00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:46,000 Speaker 1: That's such a good observation. Joya. Wait, so then do 514 00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:48,440 Speaker 1: you get to pick who you're Mr? Big is? Like 515 00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:53,840 Speaker 1: in all of O th h like history, who is 516 00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:57,120 Speaker 1: Brooks Big? I mean, you can go wide here, you 517 00:29:57,120 --> 00:30:00,080 Speaker 1: can do anything you want. You You literally made the 518 00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:03,960 Speaker 1: the Closet Door boy lists this episode, so you could 519 00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:08,280 Speaker 1: put any famous boy big on there. I didn't know. 520 00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:10,920 Speaker 1: I didn't even open it up to the all of 521 00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:16,480 Speaker 1: the Warner brother like c W shows going around like 522 00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:21,480 Speaker 1: Who's her Big is? That they're a brick crossover on 523 00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:26,400 Speaker 1: like a million other episodes on any other show. Brooks 524 00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:28,760 Speaker 1: should definitely have gone on Gossip Girl and slapped one 525 00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:33,760 Speaker 1: of those boys for being I kind of feel like, honestly, 526 00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:37,080 Speaker 1: I think if if we hadn't been robbed in season two, 527 00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:40,920 Speaker 1: I think Uncle Cooper probably would have been brooks big 528 00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:47,000 Speaker 1: career and the whole you know. But then they chickened out, 529 00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:49,440 Speaker 1: so which I get. I mean, I should not have 530 00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:52,239 Speaker 1: as a teenage character. But I thought he said that 531 00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:53,880 Speaker 1: that was going to be for the five year jump, 532 00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:57,160 Speaker 1: that they were going to put you guys together. Yeah 533 00:30:57,400 --> 00:31:01,520 Speaker 1: that we're right, Yeah, you're right. Still he should have 534 00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:04,520 Speaker 1: been it. He should have been Mr Big you and 535 00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:07,360 Speaker 1: Coop would have been That would have been than man. Yep, 536 00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:17,880 Speaker 1: that would have been really nice. All right, Okay, can 537 00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:20,840 Speaker 1: we talk about Lucas and Nathan on the River Court 538 00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:24,680 Speaker 1: because Joy, you made really good points about James's energy 539 00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:28,880 Speaker 1: being very like clear and kind of shut down. And 540 00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:31,920 Speaker 1: while we were watching the scene, there's like a trend 541 00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:34,920 Speaker 1: in boy acting right now where everybody wants to talk 542 00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:40,640 Speaker 1: like Batman and makes me insane. Everyone wants to be 543 00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:44,760 Speaker 1: like cool and boy Chad just like left it all 544 00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:47,280 Speaker 1: out on the field. He's like up one minute and 545 00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:49,880 Speaker 1: down the next, and he's trying so hard to break 546 00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:54,840 Speaker 1: through the wall of Nathan and like, if I can't 547 00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:57,480 Speaker 1: get your sympathy, if I can't get your empathy, if 548 00:31:57,520 --> 00:31:59,560 Speaker 1: I can't connect with you that way, that I'm going 549 00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:02,560 Speaker 1: to tell you to coff, you know, like I'm gonna 550 00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:05,440 Speaker 1: try tolicit any kind of emotion I can from you. 551 00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:09,320 Speaker 1: I'm going to threaten you. I just love that our 552 00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:13,280 Speaker 1: boys acted like real teenage boys, like they were trying 553 00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:18,160 Speaker 1: to be hip. Yeah. I love that too. I think 554 00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:20,920 Speaker 1: if that was it was still that era and the 555 00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:24,240 Speaker 1: other shows that were on the air that we're in 556 00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:29,440 Speaker 1: our demographic were genre based shows, and I even consider 557 00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:31,479 Speaker 1: Gossip Girl to be a genre based show because it 558 00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:34,600 Speaker 1: was such heightened fantasy. Yeah, it was very fantasy, like 559 00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:38,840 Speaker 1: Dynasty or something. Um, so yeah, it was. I think 560 00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:41,720 Speaker 1: we were kind of the last of the breed of 561 00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:45,800 Speaker 1: the Everwood and Dawson's Creeks and Gilmore girls, where it 562 00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:50,479 Speaker 1: was just very natural, be emotional, be raw, you're they 563 00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:53,840 Speaker 1: weren't really worried about their heartthrob status. Um, it was 564 00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:56,840 Speaker 1: just more about doing good work. And also that was 565 00:32:56,880 --> 00:32:59,760 Speaker 1: a huge benefit of being in Wilmington's as opposed to 566 00:32:59,840 --> 00:33:03,200 Speaker 1: being in Los Angeles filming this show, because in l 567 00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:07,400 Speaker 1: A there's a totally different culture and pressure around young actors, 568 00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:10,040 Speaker 1: and to be in Wilmington's we a lot of us 569 00:33:10,040 --> 00:33:12,200 Speaker 1: were theater actors. We had a lot of guest stars 570 00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:14,120 Speaker 1: that came down from New York as theater actors, and 571 00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:17,680 Speaker 1: so the work really was the most important thing for 572 00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:21,600 Speaker 1: people on the show. Yeah, you'd be called out if 573 00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:23,160 Speaker 1: you were going to do the work. I mean I 574 00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:25,880 Speaker 1: remember Paul being like, if you're not going to commit, 575 00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:28,440 Speaker 1: then don't even say the words, because if you only 576 00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:32,080 Speaker 1: go halfway, you're gonna look stupid, you know. Paul told 577 00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:34,520 Speaker 1: me a story once about I won't say who. He 578 00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:36,840 Speaker 1: told me a story once about someone who came on 579 00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:40,800 Speaker 1: the show and had been uh working as a supporting 580 00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:46,360 Speaker 1: actor recurring actor in in one of the seasons, and 581 00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:49,920 Speaker 1: um had been around for a while but finally got 582 00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:54,440 Speaker 1: a real storyline written for them and there was a 583 00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:58,040 Speaker 1: lot to do and it was highly emotional, and that 584 00:33:58,080 --> 00:34:01,960 Speaker 1: person came to work and know their lines and wasn't 585 00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:04,680 Speaker 1: really was kind of distracted on their phone, and he 586 00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:08,200 Speaker 1: I remember him just being like, I just want to 587 00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:11,440 Speaker 1: tell you how many people would kill for the position 588 00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:14,080 Speaker 1: that you're in right now, and the fact that you 589 00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:17,680 Speaker 1: have disrespected everyone by showing up here like you have 590 00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:21,720 Speaker 1: a huge opportunity, this could make you a series regular, 591 00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:24,319 Speaker 1: but instead you've shown up and showed us all that 592 00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:26,359 Speaker 1: you don't respect any of our work, and you don't 593 00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:29,200 Speaker 1: respect yourself and you don't believe in yourself enough to 594 00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:33,400 Speaker 1: show up knowing your lines. And made the person cry, 595 00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:35,520 Speaker 1: but kind of rightly so, just because he called it 596 00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:37,760 Speaker 1: out and was like, listen, I'm gonna tell you the truth. 597 00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:45,560 Speaker 1: You've picked up you know. Yeah, it's Larry Energy mad dad. Yeah, 598 00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:47,480 Speaker 1: he was directing, by the way, so that's why he 599 00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:49,799 Speaker 1: had he was in the position to say that it's 600 00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:54,640 Speaker 1: not like a random charge. I cherish honest feedback to 601 00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:59,880 Speaker 1: constructive criticism is one of the greatest things a human 602 00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:03,040 Speaker 1: in can give you, and it shows that they respect you. 603 00:35:03,640 --> 00:35:08,719 Speaker 1: This new whatever thing where like you're supposed to sugarcoat 604 00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:12,960 Speaker 1: everything and you know, don't really tell someone when they 605 00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:15,480 Speaker 1: screw up, like, you know, just tell them they're doing 606 00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:19,680 Speaker 1: a great job. But you know, maybe what whatever, Maybe 607 00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:22,400 Speaker 1: it's not a It drives me crazy. It's like, no, 608 00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:27,480 Speaker 1: be honest, care about me enough to to give me feedback, 609 00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:32,319 Speaker 1: value that I am enough of an adult and um 610 00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:35,400 Speaker 1: that I have enough of an intellect and enough capability 611 00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:39,839 Speaker 1: to be empathetic to learn that I have not met 612 00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:44,440 Speaker 1: an expectation or let you down, and then I can change. 613 00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:48,200 Speaker 1: It's the crux even of a healthy romantic relationship. You 614 00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:50,960 Speaker 1: have to be able to say to your partner, this 615 00:35:51,239 --> 00:35:54,720 Speaker 1: thing in our interaction caused a rip, and now together 616 00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:57,240 Speaker 1: we have to repair it. Because if you don't acknowledge 617 00:35:57,280 --> 00:35:59,799 Speaker 1: that there's a rip, you can't repair it ever. And 618 00:35:59,840 --> 00:36:04,000 Speaker 1: I don't understand why you know my fear now would 619 00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:06,759 Speaker 1: be that. If Paul had said that to someone, you know, 620 00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:08,839 Speaker 1: they would have gone and complained about him. And it's like, 621 00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:12,319 Speaker 1: he just gave you the best career advice of your life. Yes, 622 00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:15,359 Speaker 1: you should thank him. I should write him a thank 623 00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:18,840 Speaker 1: you note. Yes we should go to thank him because 624 00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:24,479 Speaker 1: better you'll go be better forever after having heard that, 625 00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:29,279 Speaker 1: you know, it's beyond Uh. It drives me crazy when 626 00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:32,600 Speaker 1: they don't give me honest feedback. It's actually vital to 627 00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:36,399 Speaker 1: an actor as an artist. I cannot trust you as 628 00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:39,080 Speaker 1: a as a director or another actor or whatever. Mostly 629 00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:42,399 Speaker 1: with directors, this is my complaint in episodic when they're 630 00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:47,600 Speaker 1: just sugarcoating things and moving home. I won't trust you. 631 00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:50,080 Speaker 1: And if you don't, if you're not willing to tell 632 00:36:50,080 --> 00:36:52,200 Speaker 1: me something that's hard or something I don't you think 633 00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:54,680 Speaker 1: I don't want to hear, then I can't trust you. 634 00:36:54,719 --> 00:36:58,200 Speaker 1: And how can I put my heart out, take it out, 635 00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:00,520 Speaker 1: my beating heart, out of my chest and hold it 636 00:37:00,520 --> 00:37:02,680 Speaker 1: out in front of you and this entire crew and 637 00:37:02,719 --> 00:37:04,839 Speaker 1: the other person in the scene. How can I do 638 00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:08,440 Speaker 1: that if I don't trust you? Yeah? Well, because what 639 00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:10,480 Speaker 1: it says to me is that you don't respect me. 640 00:37:10,680 --> 00:37:15,040 Speaker 1: Enough to tell me what you really think and respect 641 00:37:15,560 --> 00:37:19,239 Speaker 1: for growth. Yeah, and it's interesting when you say that, Joy. 642 00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:23,040 Speaker 1: It makes me think about the way Nathan talks to 643 00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:26,080 Speaker 1: Haley in this episode, because he does have the wall 644 00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:28,400 Speaker 1: up with Lucas. He doesn't give him anything at the 645 00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:31,160 Speaker 1: River Court, but you realize that what Lucas said got 646 00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:34,920 Speaker 1: in because he shows up at the party and he's 647 00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:39,040 Speaker 1: just honest with her and he says, I don't know, 648 00:37:39,640 --> 00:37:41,400 Speaker 1: I don't know if I'm going to be ready. I 649 00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:43,319 Speaker 1: don't know if I'm ever going to be ready. I'm 650 00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:47,400 Speaker 1: going to go do my basketball thing. He literally tells 651 00:37:47,719 --> 00:37:53,120 Speaker 1: her what his defense mechanisms are and and it's so, 652 00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:56,720 Speaker 1: oh my god, what a gift that he gives her 653 00:37:56,760 --> 00:38:02,200 Speaker 1: honest feedback and says, you did this thing you you know, 654 00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:04,600 Speaker 1: to use your metaphor. It's like, you wasted my time. 655 00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:07,560 Speaker 1: You've shown me what you think and I don't know 656 00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:10,440 Speaker 1: if I'm gonna get over it. And it's what a gift. 657 00:38:10,680 --> 00:38:12,239 Speaker 1: And to hear it coming out of the mouth of 658 00:38:12,239 --> 00:38:15,560 Speaker 1: a teenage boy I know, and have that entrance with 659 00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:18,239 Speaker 1: the guitar, it was so catacastic. If I keep saying 660 00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:21,400 Speaker 1: this about the storyline, because they just keep feeling like 661 00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:23,720 Speaker 1: it's um. Liz Taylor, you know when when Paul Newman 662 00:38:23,719 --> 00:38:26,000 Speaker 1: and Knat and Roof finally yells at her in the 663 00:38:26,040 --> 00:38:28,560 Speaker 1: first like within the first like five minutes of the movie, 664 00:38:28,719 --> 00:38:33,160 Speaker 1: and she's like, that's progress, Okay, an emotion. You're giving 665 00:38:33,160 --> 00:38:36,880 Speaker 1: me some kind of emotional reaction. I'll take it um 666 00:38:37,160 --> 00:38:38,919 Speaker 1: for you. For those of you who don't know the story, 667 00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:44,400 Speaker 1: Paul Newman, I mean it's multilayered and to them, the 668 00:38:44,520 --> 00:38:48,200 Speaker 1: watch it, make them watch watch the damn movie. But anyway, 669 00:38:48,200 --> 00:38:51,080 Speaker 1: have homework this week exactly. But it's so but so 670 00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:53,600 Speaker 1: when he shows up and puts Tim's guitar over there, 671 00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:58,920 Speaker 1: and it's just very like, okay, anger, I'll take it great. 672 00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:02,680 Speaker 1: Do you know who else we're getting from the strong, 673 00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:09,400 Speaker 1: honest feedback in this episode Karen in Karen's cafe in 674 00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:16,839 Speaker 1: that scene, just that slow, steady shot on her when 675 00:39:16,920 --> 00:39:21,400 Speaker 1: she's like, I'm sad whoever tried to kill you failed 676 00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:27,120 Speaker 1: have been nice like and she says it with a smile, 677 00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:31,839 Speaker 1: and it's not overly done. It's just a glimmer. And 678 00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:35,680 Speaker 1: I love that she master fall. She can feel Dan 679 00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:38,560 Speaker 1: baiting her trying to find out if it's Keith, if 680 00:39:38,560 --> 00:39:42,279 Speaker 1: it's Andy, if it's her, like who killed me? You know, 681 00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:45,400 Speaker 1: she's playing with him. She wants him to think maybe 682 00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:48,920 Speaker 1: it's me. Maybe think but by the way, rather than 683 00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:51,319 Speaker 1: be a person who's like, oh no, is he wearing 684 00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:53,279 Speaker 1: a wire? Are the cops looking at me? Did he 685 00:39:53,320 --> 00:39:56,680 Speaker 1: give my name to authorities? And like acting out of fear, 686 00:39:56,800 --> 00:39:59,800 Speaker 1: She's like, no, I'm going to admit that I would 687 00:39:59,800 --> 00:40:02,680 Speaker 1: love for you to be dead. That would be what 688 00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:08,759 Speaker 1: a blessing. Yeah, and I love too that it was 689 00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:14,160 Speaker 1: a well written scene because he punches so low, saying 690 00:40:14,719 --> 00:40:18,120 Speaker 1: that Lucas was a mistake, you know, whatever, whatever it is. 691 00:40:18,160 --> 00:40:20,080 Speaker 1: She says, well, something must have been and he goes, yeah, 692 00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:24,800 Speaker 1: kind of like Lucas so gross and immature, like he's 693 00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:30,279 Speaker 1: still sixteen years old. Nathan his father. That's where we're at, 694 00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:36,960 Speaker 1: by light years, and Karen absorbs the blow and then 695 00:40:37,080 --> 00:40:43,719 Speaker 1: deals it back to him slowly. It's so it's she 696 00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:50,000 Speaker 1: takes this darkness and Moira manages two not only give 697 00:40:50,080 --> 00:40:54,680 Speaker 1: such a masterful scene class, but she makes it so sexy. 698 00:40:55,120 --> 00:40:58,560 Speaker 1: You're just like, oh my god, I'm intimidated, and I 699 00:40:58,680 --> 00:41:03,120 Speaker 1: love you. Karen take get charge. It's always good. Wait, 700 00:41:03,560 --> 00:41:07,960 Speaker 1: this whole crush on Keith thing seems like because as 701 00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:10,319 Speaker 1: we have new guest stars come in, like, yes, we're 702 00:41:10,320 --> 00:41:12,960 Speaker 1: paying Kevin Kilner, we're paying Shirley. Who else are we 703 00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:17,760 Speaker 1: paying this episode? I don't know. I don't know, Brett, 704 00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:20,439 Speaker 1: those are the two bigs. Yeah, they weren't pay because 705 00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:23,719 Speaker 1: they weren't paying us. Well, but it's like they have 706 00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:27,160 Speaker 1: to take other people off the docket, you know, and 707 00:41:27,200 --> 00:41:30,200 Speaker 1: so they well, we'll just give Andy and Keith and 708 00:41:31,320 --> 00:41:35,080 Speaker 1: stew over it. But I don't because Barbara wasn't in 709 00:41:35,160 --> 00:41:38,320 Speaker 1: this episode. There. But I don't understand though, you guys, 710 00:41:38,600 --> 00:41:43,880 Speaker 1: is she's lamenting Andy being gone and seems like she 711 00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:48,080 Speaker 1: misses Andy, and but then it's Keith, but then it's Andy. 712 00:41:48,160 --> 00:41:51,480 Speaker 1: But then who does she miss? I can't. I feel 713 00:41:51,480 --> 00:41:53,319 Speaker 1: like I don't know if it's a device to get 714 00:41:53,360 --> 00:41:55,359 Speaker 1: us somewhere because I don't remember what's coming. I don't 715 00:41:55,560 --> 00:41:58,319 Speaker 1: storyline or any of them, I guess, or if it 716 00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:01,759 Speaker 1: was like lazy writing where they were like it's Kate, 717 00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:04,839 Speaker 1: it's Andy, it's Kate, like you has it was them 718 00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:07,799 Speaker 1: pitting them against each other because they were like, hey, Listen, man, 719 00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:10,200 Speaker 1: if you don't agree to this like price that we 720 00:42:10,239 --> 00:42:12,160 Speaker 1: want to pay you, we're just gonna go with this 721 00:42:12,239 --> 00:42:14,640 Speaker 1: cheaper dude. That's what I was just gonna say. I 722 00:42:14,680 --> 00:42:16,239 Speaker 1: think they're trying to figure out if they could get 723 00:42:16,320 --> 00:42:18,680 Speaker 1: Craig back for another season or not. They were just 724 00:42:18,719 --> 00:42:21,759 Speaker 1: in contract negotiations, so they were like, let's just keep 725 00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:25,080 Speaker 1: them both in the mix until we decide who's It's 726 00:42:25,120 --> 00:42:28,680 Speaker 1: so dumb. That's when you're like, you gotta have creative 727 00:42:28,719 --> 00:42:32,399 Speaker 1: people in power positions at studios, because if it's just 728 00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:39,279 Speaker 1: about the bean counting, it really throws in your creativity. Yeah, 729 00:42:39,480 --> 00:42:48,160 Speaker 1: for sure. Ain't that the truth? Ums about the executive suite? Wait, 730 00:42:48,320 --> 00:42:50,879 Speaker 1: what's going to happen with Peyton and Ellie here? I'm 731 00:42:50,920 --> 00:42:53,560 Speaker 1: trying to I mean, I like that Peyton says, am 732 00:42:53,600 --> 00:42:55,600 Speaker 1: I ever going to be able to trust anyone in 733 00:42:55,680 --> 00:42:59,000 Speaker 1: my life? Or something to that effect? Um, and I 734 00:42:59,160 --> 00:43:01,600 Speaker 1: feel that, And I it's hilarious that she's the worst 735 00:43:01,640 --> 00:43:04,920 Speaker 1: DJ ever in this episode and that she just by 736 00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:07,279 Speaker 1: the way, that was good music she was playing like 737 00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:11,680 Speaker 1: I did. Yeah, but you are painting swear You're like, 738 00:43:11,840 --> 00:43:15,759 Speaker 1: excuse me, that was not just because you guys, can't 739 00:43:15,880 --> 00:43:18,680 Speaker 1: shake your ass too. It doesn't mean it's not worthy 740 00:43:18,880 --> 00:43:22,160 Speaker 1: of a beach play. Um, you light up my life 741 00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:30,560 Speaker 1: and we just lit a bonfire. Read between the lines 742 00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:34,040 Speaker 1: so rough. No, I really I said a number of 743 00:43:34,120 --> 00:43:35,919 Speaker 1: times in this episode how much I liked the music 744 00:43:35,960 --> 00:43:38,800 Speaker 1: because it was super recognizable stuff. There was like Fallout 745 00:43:38,800 --> 00:43:41,359 Speaker 1: Boy in there, and there was some like bops from 746 00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:44,040 Speaker 1: the early two thousand's that we all definitely listened to 747 00:43:44,719 --> 00:43:49,320 Speaker 1: on a regular rotation. Um music was becoming a bigger 748 00:43:49,480 --> 00:43:52,040 Speaker 1: deal on our show, and I really feel like you 749 00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:54,480 Speaker 1: and Tyler laid the groundwork for that, because once you 750 00:43:54,520 --> 00:43:57,759 Speaker 1: guys went out on tour, are just for like, oh there, No, 751 00:43:57,960 --> 00:44:00,520 Speaker 1: this is like real. If we go on once, it's 752 00:44:00,560 --> 00:44:03,640 Speaker 1: not like we're playing in the background like on other shows. 753 00:44:04,040 --> 00:44:08,080 Speaker 1: We become a part of the storyline that's totally different, 754 00:44:08,200 --> 00:44:11,560 Speaker 1: totally fun. It's probably why we got people like like 755 00:44:11,680 --> 00:44:14,640 Speaker 1: Pete Wentz to come and a part of the real 756 00:44:14,719 --> 00:44:18,239 Speaker 1: storyline on the show. Yeah. You know, this episode was 757 00:44:18,320 --> 00:44:21,040 Speaker 1: hard for me because I had a funeral to go 758 00:44:21,239 --> 00:44:25,960 Speaker 1: to in Iowa for a relative, and I remember going 759 00:44:26,160 --> 00:44:31,360 Speaker 1: to the executive suite and being like, guys, I'll do anything. 760 00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:34,880 Speaker 1: I'll do anything, but I have to be gone, you know, 761 00:44:35,320 --> 00:44:38,400 Speaker 1: these like three days and they were like you can't go, 762 00:44:38,680 --> 00:44:41,160 Speaker 1: you can't go, you can't go. And I'm literally like 763 00:44:41,640 --> 00:44:46,520 Speaker 1: crying and begging and I'm just like please, you have 764 00:44:46,719 --> 00:44:50,239 Speaker 1: to let me go. So finally it got and I 765 00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:52,440 Speaker 1: feel like I may have took like a pen to 766 00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:54,400 Speaker 1: the script and been like, you don't need me in 767 00:44:54,440 --> 00:44:58,720 Speaker 1: this scene. There was a scene we're Peyton and Nathan 768 00:44:59,080 --> 00:45:04,120 Speaker 1: had like a whole conversation like sitting on a cooler. 769 00:45:04,719 --> 00:45:07,120 Speaker 1: I feel like I either remember reading anymore, do you 770 00:45:07,160 --> 00:45:11,919 Speaker 1: remember this? It's not in the cut, so I can't 771 00:45:11,960 --> 00:45:14,640 Speaker 1: remember if we cut it from the script or if 772 00:45:14,680 --> 00:45:16,840 Speaker 1: we like filmed it real half assid And they were like, 773 00:45:17,120 --> 00:45:20,840 Speaker 1: you know what, but if you notice, all of peyton 774 00:45:20,920 --> 00:45:23,560 Speaker 1: scenes at the beach party are close up shots of 775 00:45:23,640 --> 00:45:26,640 Speaker 1: her at that table. And I did all of my 776 00:45:26,840 --> 00:45:29,759 Speaker 1: scenes in one day so I could go to this 777 00:45:29,920 --> 00:45:34,000 Speaker 1: funeral in Iowa. Um, but it works because Peyton is 778 00:45:34,120 --> 00:45:38,200 Speaker 1: really cut off. Yeah, so it was a device. It 779 00:45:38,280 --> 00:45:41,160 Speaker 1: was a device that worked out great if you ask. Yeah, 780 00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:46,080 Speaker 1: I'm also glad that you. I mean, it sucks that 781 00:45:46,200 --> 00:45:48,840 Speaker 1: there's so little humanity in the behind the scenes of 782 00:45:48,880 --> 00:45:52,000 Speaker 1: our jobs. But I'm glad that you advocated for yourself 783 00:45:52,440 --> 00:45:54,680 Speaker 1: and it just played into the storyline. It's like, I 784 00:45:54,800 --> 00:46:00,560 Speaker 1: can't trust anybody for that. It's against me. Yeah, you know, 785 00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:05,360 Speaker 1: Peyton grumpy and Joy. You made the comment you're like 786 00:46:05,760 --> 00:46:08,600 Speaker 1: you and Cheryl have enough of the same like mannerisms. 787 00:46:10,480 --> 00:46:14,120 Speaker 1: That's your eyes are similar kind of too, there's enough 788 00:46:14,560 --> 00:46:17,560 Speaker 1: enough similarity. It's weird to watch it as a separate 789 00:46:17,600 --> 00:46:20,120 Speaker 1: person because at the time I remember thinking like, oh, 790 00:46:20,160 --> 00:46:22,719 Speaker 1: we're so different, We're so different, And now watching as 791 00:46:22,719 --> 00:46:25,680 Speaker 1: a grown up, I'm like, I get it. I mean, 792 00:46:25,760 --> 00:46:28,080 Speaker 1: now you see it. She watched you. I think she 793 00:46:28,239 --> 00:46:32,080 Speaker 1: watched some of your performances, being some of the stuff 794 00:46:32,080 --> 00:46:35,480 Speaker 1: that you do, and you could see it the parallel 795 00:46:35,840 --> 00:46:38,680 Speaker 1: between the Peyton and Larry fight and then when Larry 796 00:46:38,760 --> 00:46:41,120 Speaker 1: gets her on the river walk and they have a fight, 797 00:46:41,880 --> 00:46:44,960 Speaker 1: she stands like you, She looks up at him, she 798 00:46:45,160 --> 00:46:49,800 Speaker 1: does these things that look like you when you're obsessed, 799 00:46:49,880 --> 00:46:51,840 Speaker 1: and you were, you know that sort of it was 800 00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:54,359 Speaker 1: so such a young teenage girl thing to do when 801 00:46:54,360 --> 00:46:56,560 Speaker 1: you're crying to you, like open your mouth a little, 802 00:46:56,680 --> 00:46:58,719 Speaker 1: like I don't know how to explain it, but you 803 00:46:58,840 --> 00:47:02,239 Speaker 1: do it is it's just sort of like petulant, like childish. 804 00:47:02,320 --> 00:47:05,800 Speaker 1: It's great. And she didn't she didn't in that in 805 00:47:05,880 --> 00:47:08,239 Speaker 1: the last moment after Larry walked away and I was like, 806 00:47:08,360 --> 00:47:12,320 Speaker 1: this actress was watching she was when do we have 807 00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:16,920 Speaker 1: her on? Have we reached out Charlotte? Guys? Could we 808 00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:19,640 Speaker 1: got to get her on soon? I hadn't seen her 809 00:47:19,800 --> 00:47:22,480 Speaker 1: since we like filmed the show, and she was at 810 00:47:22,520 --> 00:47:24,800 Speaker 1: that last convention that we were at right before the 811 00:47:24,840 --> 00:47:28,080 Speaker 1: pandemic hit and I were the one in Wilming Baby. 812 00:47:28,200 --> 00:47:31,080 Speaker 1: I wept. I wept and wept and wept when I 813 00:47:31,120 --> 00:47:34,920 Speaker 1: saw her because I just I love her. She's the 814 00:47:35,120 --> 00:47:38,440 Speaker 1: only person that could have played Ellie, the only person. 815 00:47:39,680 --> 00:47:42,240 Speaker 1: Do you remember how psyched we were when we heard 816 00:47:42,920 --> 00:47:47,120 Speaker 1: that Laura Palmer was going to be on our show? Nuts? 817 00:47:47,440 --> 00:47:50,279 Speaker 1: It was nuts because also Moira had been in the 818 00:47:50,360 --> 00:47:53,520 Speaker 1: Twin Peaks movie and it just felt like it felt 819 00:47:53,520 --> 00:47:55,959 Speaker 1: like we were like kind of getting their street cred 820 00:47:56,120 --> 00:48:03,120 Speaker 1: by Carrie. Yes they're cool girl, sign us up? Yes, no, 821 00:48:03,480 --> 00:48:08,600 Speaker 1: I you know this is a fun episode for me. 822 00:48:08,840 --> 00:48:11,040 Speaker 1: I love this episode. I'm writing it down as one 823 00:48:11,080 --> 00:48:13,960 Speaker 1: of my favorite of all time. Because I like the 824 00:48:14,080 --> 00:48:17,759 Speaker 1: duality of the stuff, like Tim being naked with the 825 00:48:17,800 --> 00:48:20,800 Speaker 1: guitar at the bonfire and Brooke right in the names 826 00:48:20,880 --> 00:48:23,960 Speaker 1: on the doors. But then all the emotional heavy lifting too, 827 00:48:24,400 --> 00:48:27,600 Speaker 1: Like when our show hit this kind of stride where 828 00:48:27,640 --> 00:48:32,920 Speaker 1: the balance between fun and serious were even These were 829 00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:36,480 Speaker 1: our best episodes Magic, it felt like the season one 830 00:48:36,640 --> 00:48:40,000 Speaker 1: Magic all those moments. Yeah, that's what it felt like. 831 00:48:41,280 --> 00:48:44,600 Speaker 1: It really did. And it's interesting to see the precursors 832 00:48:44,680 --> 00:48:49,120 Speaker 1: to some things, like we see that gift of the 833 00:48:49,280 --> 00:48:54,000 Speaker 1: door fight between Peyton. We've seen it for fifteen years. 834 00:48:54,640 --> 00:49:02,239 Speaker 1: I forgot he I forgot how hilarious is the introduction 835 00:49:02,320 --> 00:49:05,719 Speaker 1: of the doors was like the scene between us is 836 00:49:05,840 --> 00:49:09,160 Speaker 1: so funny. You wake up, I'm in your room drawing on. 837 00:49:09,760 --> 00:49:11,600 Speaker 1: I go get you your toothbrush and hand it to 838 00:49:11,640 --> 00:49:15,920 Speaker 1: you when we're having a conversation and you're brushing your teeth. Oh, 839 00:49:16,200 --> 00:49:19,160 Speaker 1: such good direction and the energy of these best friends. 840 00:49:19,360 --> 00:49:23,160 Speaker 1: And and it starts in this like light, happy, funny 841 00:49:23,239 --> 00:49:26,880 Speaker 1: place where Brooke is saying Larry's her hot dad fantasy, 842 00:49:26,960 --> 00:49:31,279 Speaker 1: and like they're deciding who gets that. I like, I know, 843 00:49:31,680 --> 00:49:33,920 Speaker 1: I have the reaction where I'm like, oh, honey, don't 844 00:49:34,200 --> 00:49:39,480 Speaker 1: you're like gross. It's just like it's so lovely to 845 00:49:39,640 --> 00:49:42,960 Speaker 1: see the fun and the innocence and the humor and 846 00:49:43,120 --> 00:49:46,000 Speaker 1: you and I really getting to banter and then knowing 847 00:49:46,040 --> 00:49:48,319 Speaker 1: where it goes. I'm like, this was this was well done. 848 00:49:49,120 --> 00:49:51,160 Speaker 1: Off the Brook and Peyton, I mean, sorry, the Brook 849 00:49:51,200 --> 00:49:55,319 Speaker 1: and Haley starting to build this bubbly friendship too, which 850 00:49:55,400 --> 00:49:58,239 Speaker 1: is so fun because I've I think Haley was really 851 00:49:58,280 --> 00:50:00,560 Speaker 1: disconnected from the girls, even though they tried a lot 852 00:50:00,640 --> 00:50:03,920 Speaker 1: in season one, there was I think she still kind 853 00:50:03,920 --> 00:50:05,600 Speaker 1: of always was like the odd man out because you 854 00:50:05,640 --> 00:50:07,759 Speaker 1: two had a history together. So it's really fun to 855 00:50:07,880 --> 00:50:12,480 Speaker 1: see everything coming together now and us throwing singers at 856 00:50:12,520 --> 00:50:14,839 Speaker 1: each other too, you know, like you throw it at 857 00:50:14,880 --> 00:50:16,040 Speaker 1: me and I throw it at you. I'm like, well, 858 00:50:16,080 --> 00:50:17,440 Speaker 1: where do you want to watch us? And you're just 859 00:50:17,760 --> 00:50:24,520 Speaker 1: you know, and it feels would badge my eyes out 860 00:50:24,600 --> 00:50:28,839 Speaker 1: or something. It's my favorite thing. But it's it's got 861 00:50:28,960 --> 00:50:32,799 Speaker 1: like sibling energy. Yeah, for sure. Everything they're giving us 862 00:50:32,960 --> 00:50:36,920 Speaker 1: this season, oh it does, it just feels very alive 863 00:50:37,000 --> 00:50:48,200 Speaker 1: and fun. Well, we loved this episode. We have a 864 00:50:48,280 --> 00:50:51,360 Speaker 1: listener question and we have to spin a wheel. You girls, ready, 865 00:50:51,440 --> 00:50:56,880 Speaker 1: all right, Jocelyn is asking where do you see yourselves 866 00:50:56,960 --> 00:51:01,160 Speaker 1: professionally and personally in the next ten years? Directing? Writing? 867 00:51:01,560 --> 00:51:03,000 Speaker 1: Isn't that funny? That's just kind of what we were 868 00:51:03,000 --> 00:51:04,800 Speaker 1: talking about in the beginning of the episode two. What 869 00:51:04,880 --> 00:51:09,799 Speaker 1: does she a wizard? How wizard talk about this? I'm 870 00:51:09,840 --> 00:51:12,160 Speaker 1: gonna get my damn ass on Broadway or the West 871 00:51:12,280 --> 00:51:15,799 Speaker 1: End for Christ's sake, at some point in the next 872 00:51:15,880 --> 00:51:19,800 Speaker 1: ten years. He enjoying audience. Guess who has an apartment 873 00:51:19,840 --> 00:51:23,040 Speaker 1: in the city, totally ready for about to happen. Yes, 874 00:51:23,719 --> 00:51:32,600 Speaker 1: taking over? Um, yeah, writing, directing, producing, singing, touring, mom 875 00:51:32,800 --> 00:51:37,200 Speaker 1: ng maybe wife ing. I don't know. Let's see what happens, 876 00:51:38,440 --> 00:51:41,120 Speaker 1: um are we we're going to solicit for all those things. Guys, 877 00:51:41,160 --> 00:51:43,480 Speaker 1: I should have brought my I've got crystals over there. 878 00:51:43,560 --> 00:51:45,640 Speaker 1: I should have lit candles and like, brought the crystals 879 00:51:45,719 --> 00:51:51,279 Speaker 1: over before we started. Look at this perfect, perfect and 880 00:51:51,440 --> 00:51:55,120 Speaker 1: burning a candle for us. Lady manifesting right now, um 881 00:51:56,080 --> 00:51:58,400 Speaker 1: calling all the witches of the North, all the witches 882 00:51:58,560 --> 00:52:05,799 Speaker 1: launch into the craft. Guys. Brooke talked about witchcraft before 883 00:52:05,880 --> 00:52:07,759 Speaker 1: she lit that fire, and I liked it. I was 884 00:52:07,800 --> 00:52:10,279 Speaker 1: like Hillary, they gave us a little Kernel. Yeah, they 885 00:52:10,360 --> 00:52:13,200 Speaker 1: knew it was coming, Like these pitches are gonna go 886 00:52:13,360 --> 00:52:21,319 Speaker 1: dark later. Um, I I honestly want to lean more 887 00:52:21,400 --> 00:52:24,160 Speaker 1: into just like writing. I just had a really good 888 00:52:24,280 --> 00:52:28,359 Speaker 1: meeting with my publisher harper One about my second book, 889 00:52:28,600 --> 00:52:31,400 Speaker 1: and it just made me want to write all the books. 890 00:52:31,520 --> 00:52:34,200 Speaker 1: Like yeah, I think for so long in my youth, 891 00:52:34,239 --> 00:52:36,640 Speaker 1: I felt like I had to be an extrovert and 892 00:52:36,800 --> 00:52:39,360 Speaker 1: I had to be like I had to go places. 893 00:52:39,480 --> 00:52:42,680 Speaker 1: And you guys know that my comfort zone is literally 894 00:52:43,000 --> 00:52:47,759 Speaker 1: my cave, and writing lets me do that. So I'll 895 00:52:47,800 --> 00:52:51,000 Speaker 1: just come out on our on our wine tours for 896 00:52:51,160 --> 00:52:53,919 Speaker 1: drama queens. Otherwise I'm going to be in a cave 897 00:52:54,120 --> 00:52:58,960 Speaker 1: with the crystals, writing book writing, writing books. We're gonna 898 00:52:59,000 --> 00:53:05,600 Speaker 1: get into some fix kids. Yes, I love that's coming. I. Um, 899 00:53:05,920 --> 00:53:07,600 Speaker 1: it's funny you say that I have a dream of 900 00:53:07,680 --> 00:53:11,520 Speaker 1: doing some y a fiction. Oh, yes, because we didn't. 901 00:53:11,719 --> 00:53:13,279 Speaker 1: You know, we've talked about it when we were doing 902 00:53:13,320 --> 00:53:16,239 Speaker 1: the show. We didn't have a lot. It was for 903 00:53:16,520 --> 00:53:19,800 Speaker 1: us as young women. Well, but we want more of that. 904 00:53:20,000 --> 00:53:23,200 Speaker 1: Geek Love and Perks of Being a Wallflower were the 905 00:53:23,239 --> 00:53:28,520 Speaker 1: big books, but they weren't necessarily geared towards chicks. It 906 00:53:28,680 --> 00:53:35,359 Speaker 1: was kind of just like this is this is outsider stuff. Yeah, 907 00:53:35,600 --> 00:53:39,640 Speaker 1: and I think about, you know, wanting to write something 908 00:53:39,760 --> 00:53:43,960 Speaker 1: for young us. I think about um to your point, joy, 909 00:53:44,080 --> 00:53:46,720 Speaker 1: like I take all your adjectives. Aside from singing and touring, 910 00:53:46,800 --> 00:53:50,960 Speaker 1: I will not be dropping an album. Um, but don't like, 911 00:53:53,080 --> 00:53:55,839 Speaker 1: oh my god, watch the universe is going to be like, well, 912 00:53:55,960 --> 00:53:58,160 Speaker 1: look out, ladies and the three of us. You know 913 00:53:58,200 --> 00:54:03,840 Speaker 1: what I'm doing something, I'm yeah, oh my god, twist 914 00:54:03,920 --> 00:54:07,200 Speaker 1: my arm. But yeah, I think I think it's more 915 00:54:07,280 --> 00:54:10,840 Speaker 1: of all those things, you know. I'm I'm reading great scripts, 916 00:54:10,880 --> 00:54:12,920 Speaker 1: and I'm thinking about what I want to act in, 917 00:54:13,000 --> 00:54:14,520 Speaker 1: what I want to direct, and thinking about what i 918 00:54:14,560 --> 00:54:17,719 Speaker 1: want to write. I'm I'm starting to feel like I'm 919 00:54:17,800 --> 00:54:22,560 Speaker 1: finally getting out of my own way. Yeah. I'm a 920 00:54:22,640 --> 00:54:25,839 Speaker 1: really good writer, and I love reading, and I love 921 00:54:26,680 --> 00:54:30,120 Speaker 1: um topical writing like things that you know, op eds 922 00:54:30,160 --> 00:54:35,800 Speaker 1: and journalism, um skewing pieces, and to lean into that 923 00:54:36,000 --> 00:54:39,600 Speaker 1: as a strength rather than say like, no other people 924 00:54:39,680 --> 00:54:43,919 Speaker 1: do that. No. Like I'm I'm finally hitting a point 925 00:54:43,960 --> 00:54:47,200 Speaker 1: in my life where I'm stopping coming up with excuses 926 00:54:47,239 --> 00:54:49,080 Speaker 1: for why I'm not good at the thing that everyone 927 00:54:49,160 --> 00:54:51,920 Speaker 1: I trust tells me I'm good at a Well, did 928 00:54:52,000 --> 00:54:55,440 Speaker 1: you watch the Taylor Swift n y U graduation speech 929 00:54:55,960 --> 00:54:57,839 Speaker 1: where No, I thought you were gonna say the Taylor 930 00:54:57,880 --> 00:54:59,520 Speaker 1: Swift documentary and I was gonna be like, yes, I've 931 00:54:59,520 --> 00:55:03,440 Speaker 1: se she was just a commencement speaker and she talks about, UM, 932 00:55:03,680 --> 00:55:06,400 Speaker 1: I just saw a clip on the interweb and she's like, 933 00:55:06,560 --> 00:55:09,920 Speaker 1: you know, somewhere along the lines, people made it uncool 934 00:55:10,040 --> 00:55:13,000 Speaker 1: to try, and I'm here to tell you it's cool 935 00:55:13,120 --> 00:55:17,719 Speaker 1: to try, like try everything, try all the things. And 936 00:55:18,040 --> 00:55:20,840 Speaker 1: so I hope that our younger fan base in particular 937 00:55:21,160 --> 00:55:25,840 Speaker 1: heard that, um, because it is cool to try. It's hard. 938 00:55:26,160 --> 00:55:27,440 Speaker 1: It's hard to get out of your own way and 939 00:55:27,480 --> 00:55:29,480 Speaker 1: get out of the fears of feeling like you don't 940 00:55:29,480 --> 00:55:30,919 Speaker 1: want to be the person in the room who doesn't 941 00:55:30,920 --> 00:55:33,680 Speaker 1: know what's going on. But the truth is, everyone loves 942 00:55:33,760 --> 00:55:37,200 Speaker 1: someone who is trying. Everyone loves someone who's asking questions 943 00:55:37,360 --> 00:55:40,680 Speaker 1: and going for it. And you're not going to run 944 00:55:40,719 --> 00:55:43,040 Speaker 1: into a lot of people who want to throw up 945 00:55:43,320 --> 00:55:45,520 Speaker 1: a stop sign or close a door in your face 946 00:55:45,680 --> 00:55:48,920 Speaker 1: if you're sincerely just go. You're putting it all out there, 947 00:55:48,960 --> 00:55:51,680 Speaker 1: like I'm just trying. I'm just going for it and um, 948 00:55:52,320 --> 00:55:55,920 Speaker 1: you should be UM, and that's I'm I can't believe 949 00:55:55,960 --> 00:55:58,239 Speaker 1: I'm only just now reaching that point in my life 950 00:55:58,560 --> 00:56:02,880 Speaker 1: where I'm really ready to to start um, going for 951 00:56:03,000 --> 00:56:05,480 Speaker 1: it and stop again, like you said, so coming up 952 00:56:05,480 --> 00:56:09,080 Speaker 1: with excuses why I can't. I got that at this 953 00:56:09,239 --> 00:56:11,840 Speaker 1: it's too much, I'm overwhelmed, blah blah blah. No, No, 954 00:56:13,640 --> 00:56:15,759 Speaker 1: I mean not to get like two in our feelings here, 955 00:56:15,840 --> 00:56:20,720 Speaker 1: but honestly, you guys, I I think it's incredibly pressing 956 00:56:20,800 --> 00:56:22,759 Speaker 1: in this moment. I wish I wish it was a 957 00:56:22,800 --> 00:56:24,800 Speaker 1: little later and we were all having one, but I 958 00:56:24,840 --> 00:56:26,680 Speaker 1: would say, like we should. It's like, it feels like 959 00:56:26,719 --> 00:56:30,600 Speaker 1: a moment for like an emotional or spiritual toast. Because 960 00:56:31,320 --> 00:56:34,719 Speaker 1: we survived the early aughts on a teen drama like 961 00:56:34,960 --> 00:56:38,759 Speaker 1: that era was so rough for young girls. And the 962 00:56:38,920 --> 00:56:41,520 Speaker 1: thing that I have always loved about the two of you, 963 00:56:41,600 --> 00:56:46,600 Speaker 1: which I'm finally willing to recognize it myself, is emotional resiliency. 964 00:56:47,960 --> 00:56:51,000 Speaker 1: And we have stuck it out, and we have made mistakes, 965 00:56:51,080 --> 00:56:54,040 Speaker 1: and we have continued moving, and we've been nice enough 966 00:56:54,680 --> 00:56:59,160 Speaker 1: to not pretend that that wasn't our reality. We've shared 967 00:56:59,200 --> 00:57:03,080 Speaker 1: our reality with everybody who's listening to this podcast today, 968 00:57:03,120 --> 00:57:05,480 Speaker 1: with our fans, like we haven't tried to do the 969 00:57:05,560 --> 00:57:07,720 Speaker 1: thing of like, well, you know, we're in the public 970 00:57:07,760 --> 00:57:09,879 Speaker 1: eye and we're just gonna act like we get all together, 971 00:57:10,080 --> 00:57:16,000 Speaker 1: like shut up, and and here we are on this journeys. 972 00:57:16,360 --> 00:57:21,360 Speaker 1: The big word, the point really is emotional resiliency and messy. 973 00:57:21,400 --> 00:57:26,440 Speaker 1: I love you years, Joscelyn. I hope you're everywhere you 974 00:57:26,520 --> 00:57:30,919 Speaker 1: want to be in ten years, um and more and more. Yeah, 975 00:57:31,240 --> 00:57:33,480 Speaker 1: well let's find out who is most likely to be 976 00:57:33,680 --> 00:57:37,120 Speaker 1: something else in ten years? What's our wheel? Saying? Joy? 977 00:57:37,200 --> 00:57:40,480 Speaker 1: That was such a good segue. Oh my god, you're 978 00:57:40,520 --> 00:57:43,920 Speaker 1: so Sometimes sometimes that's why she's a good director. She 979 00:57:44,000 --> 00:57:49,040 Speaker 1: likes a transition. Oh no, is this Brooke I don't know? 980 00:57:49,800 --> 00:57:53,320 Speaker 1: Most likely to order? No, it's Bevin, my character, not 981 00:57:53,480 --> 00:57:56,360 Speaker 1: the person pumpkin spice latte. Who's most likely to order 982 00:57:56,360 --> 00:58:01,120 Speaker 1: a pumpkin spice list. It's either Bevin the character or Tim? Yes, 983 00:58:01,320 --> 00:58:05,520 Speaker 1: I would This isn't that. I think Tim is on 984 00:58:05,640 --> 00:58:09,520 Speaker 1: the money. Tim being a pumpkin spice latte guy feels 985 00:58:09,600 --> 00:58:14,560 Speaker 1: really right to me. I think Antoine. I think Antoine 986 00:58:14,680 --> 00:58:22,120 Speaker 1: actually might be them. Yeah, it just seems like rappaccino guy, 987 00:58:22,480 --> 00:58:26,520 Speaker 1: like yeah, but now I get it, the sweet bit, 988 00:58:27,120 --> 00:58:32,360 Speaker 1: the sweet sweet Our boys. I love our boys are boys? 989 00:58:32,480 --> 00:58:35,080 Speaker 1: Are they just they're the best boys. We got so 990 00:58:35,560 --> 00:58:38,240 Speaker 1: here in the next episode because I miss seeing their faces. 991 00:58:38,320 --> 00:58:40,640 Speaker 1: We need them like they I think the writers forgot 992 00:58:40,680 --> 00:58:43,200 Speaker 1: how badly we needed them around us in this show 993 00:58:43,280 --> 00:58:46,040 Speaker 1: and how badly the audience needed that sense of grounded 994 00:58:46,120 --> 00:58:48,920 Speaker 1: nous of home. They were established in the beginning of 995 00:58:49,000 --> 00:58:52,280 Speaker 1: this series as a sense of home, and I miss 996 00:58:52,320 --> 00:58:55,520 Speaker 1: them when they're not around. Well, let's let's um tag 997 00:58:56,000 --> 00:58:59,440 Speaker 1: Garbage from Peyton's side of the closet doors are our 998 00:58:59,560 --> 00:59:02,680 Speaker 1: very own junk. Cullen Moss is in the staircase and 999 00:59:02,880 --> 00:59:09,000 Speaker 1: is so good. Oh my god, it's just like blowing up. 1000 00:59:09,080 --> 00:59:11,160 Speaker 1: He should have like blown up when we were younger. 1001 00:59:11,280 --> 00:59:13,720 Speaker 1: But he's got just the perfect energy right now to 1002 00:59:13,800 --> 00:59:17,200 Speaker 1: be in all of these fabulous things like outer banks 1003 00:59:17,520 --> 00:59:21,360 Speaker 1: and the staircase. So go watch my sweet garbage. I 1004 00:59:21,440 --> 00:59:24,880 Speaker 1: love sweet Garbage. We love you guys. Thank you for 1005 00:59:25,080 --> 00:59:27,560 Speaker 1: your thoughtful questions and for showing up for us, and 1006 00:59:27,720 --> 00:59:30,680 Speaker 1: your continued support and encouragement. 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