WEBVTT - This Man’s Murder Might Get Solved by Amazon’s Alexa

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<v Speaker 1>and November. A group of friends in Bentonville, Arkansas. We're

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<v Speaker 1>hanging out watching a college football game. They were drinking beer,

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<v Speaker 1>taken vodka shots. Nothing out of the ordinary for a

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<v Speaker 1>bunch of guys watching TV. As the night drawn, three

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<v Speaker 1>of them moved the party to the hot tub. Around midnight.

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<v Speaker 1>One of them went home, but in the morning, one

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<v Speaker 1>member of the group, Victor Collins, was found face down

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<v Speaker 1>in the hot tub, apparently strangled and drowned in dark

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<v Speaker 1>red water. The jacuzzis, head, wrists, and knobs were scattered

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<v Speaker 1>on the ground covered with blood. Victor's left eye and

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<v Speaker 1>lips were dark and swollen, and there was blood and

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<v Speaker 1>pink foam coming out of his nose. I just find

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<v Speaker 1>it hard to believe that injuries such as that to

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<v Speaker 1>cause a man's death, especially a guy like Vick, were needed.

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<v Speaker 1>I just it shocks me, it really does. That's Victor's friend,

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<v Speaker 1>Jamie Gianfala. And when he says especially a guy like Vic,

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<v Speaker 1>what he means is that Victor was a big, tall,

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<v Speaker 1>intimidating man. And Bentonville is a small, sleepy town with

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<v Speaker 1>a very low crime rate. This is a kind of

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<v Speaker 1>thing that's never supposed to happen there. It shocks me,

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<v Speaker 1>It really does. The homeowner, the thirty one year old

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<v Speaker 1>Walmart employee, called James Andrew Bates, says he went to

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<v Speaker 1>bed at one am and discovered the body. After sunrise,

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<v Speaker 1>he called the cops, who came over to find the

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<v Speaker 1>back patio dripping with water. Now fifteen police responded to

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<v Speaker 1>Southwest elm Manor Avenue after nine one. One call reported

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<v Speaker 1>a body laying in a hot tub, but it didn't

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<v Speaker 1>seem like the water was coming from the hot tub.

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<v Speaker 1>The police suspected foul play homicide. Then if the cops

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<v Speaker 1>saw something in the kitchen, a voice activated Amazon Echo speaker,

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<v Speaker 1>they thought it might have special significance. If Alexa, which

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<v Speaker 1>is the virtual assistant the powers the echo, had been listening,

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<v Speaker 1>she might just help investigators discover who killed Victor Collins.

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<v Speaker 1>Hi Amaki Ito and I'm Nicole brand And this week

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<v Speaker 1>on Decrypted we're exploring the proliferation of Internet connected devices

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<v Speaker 1>like the Amazon Echo, the Google Home, and the just

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<v Speaker 1>announced Apple HomePod. As more and more of the things

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<v Speaker 1>around us get connected to the Internet, they're helping us

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<v Speaker 1>at every turn, ordering us pizza, reminding us of our

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<v Speaker 1>friend's birthdays, playing our favorite podcast. At the same time,

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<v Speaker 1>they're watching and recording our every move, which is bringing

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<v Speaker 1>up all kinds of uncomfortable questions around our rights to

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<v Speaker 1>digital privacy. How should this data be used and by whom?

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<v Speaker 1>Will ask if it's even possible to own and use

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<v Speaker 1>one of these gasgets without having to give up your privacy,

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<v Speaker 1>and see what users can do to stay protected. Stay

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<v Speaker 1>with us, Sinico. Take us back to that hot tub

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<v Speaker 1>in Bentonville. Well, there were two broken bottles that were

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<v Speaker 1>found near the jacuzzi, and also spots of blood all

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<v Speaker 1>over nearby. Investigators thought that they were signs of struggle.

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<v Speaker 1>So in February, which was three months later, James Bates

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<v Speaker 1>was arrested for the crime. And what do we know

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<v Speaker 1>about the victim? Victor? He was forty seven when he died.

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<v Speaker 1>He left behind his wife, Christine, and five children. Vick

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<v Speaker 1>was probably six three six pounds This is Victor's friend Jamie.

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<v Speaker 1>He looked very intimidating, always had a haircut, real short um,

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<v Speaker 1>but honestly, when you sat down and you talked to him,

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<v Speaker 1>he was he was a ball lass. I mean, the

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<v Speaker 1>guy always you know. It was good for having a

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<v Speaker 1>good time in terms of laid back and and just

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<v Speaker 1>real relaxing and real fun to talk with and hang

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<v Speaker 1>out with. Victor and Jamie met when they were both

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<v Speaker 1>police officers in Cherokee County, Georgia, which is a mountainous

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<v Speaker 1>area not far from Atlanta. Victor Collins was my first

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<v Speaker 1>training officer. I was able to ride with him and

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<v Speaker 1>I got to learn the tricks of the trade from him,

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<v Speaker 1>and we began a friendship almost immediately. As a cop,

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<v Speaker 1>Jamie has investigated homicides before and says he's very interested

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<v Speaker 1>by the presence of an Amazon Echo at the crime scene. Right.

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<v Speaker 1>This is the voice activated speaker that the police found

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<v Speaker 1>in James Bates home. And just very quickly for a

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<v Speaker 1>listener who have never seen an echo before. It's this

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<v Speaker 1>black cylinder shaped speaker that connects to the Internet and

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<v Speaker 1>you can have it play music or answer random questions

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<v Speaker 1>like this. Alexa will it be cold tomorrow. Tomorrow in

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<v Speaker 1>New York, you'll see some sun in thunderstorms, and you

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<v Speaker 1>can expect to high of eighty and a low of

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<v Speaker 1>sixty four. Anyway, you can imagine the kind of audio

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<v Speaker 1>it might pick up if it were just sitting there

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<v Speaker 1>the whole time, right next to a crime scene. Bentonville

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<v Speaker 1>police got a search warrant to confiscate the echo is evidence,

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<v Speaker 1>but the echo by itself couldn't tell the full story

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<v Speaker 1>because none of the data is saved on the device.

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<v Speaker 1>Amazon told me that records are stored in the cloud,

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<v Speaker 1>in other words, on Amazon servers, which are scattered across

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<v Speaker 1>the country and around the world. So the lead detective

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<v Speaker 1>got a court order to get Amazon to share its information. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>an important thing to know about these virtual assistance is

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<v Speaker 1>that you know whether it's a speaker like the Echo

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<v Speaker 1>or on the phone like Apple Syrie. There does trying

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<v Speaker 1>to wake up only when they're prompted to do so,

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<v Speaker 1>otherwise they'd annoy you all the time. So the Echo

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<v Speaker 1>will only start recording once someone calls it by its name, Alexa.

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<v Speaker 1>Amazon told me that saying the word Alexa also turns

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<v Speaker 1>on the blue light that's on the speaker, so the

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<v Speaker 1>echoes only streaming audio to the cloud when that blue

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<v Speaker 1>light is on. In theory, this could still be useful

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<v Speaker 1>to investigators. Someone may have been agitated and yelled at

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<v Speaker 1>the Amazon to shut up because the music was playing.

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<v Speaker 1>That's Craig Ball, a forensic technologist and former trial lawyer.

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<v Speaker 1>Craig is what's called a court master in the legal system.

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<v Speaker 1>Instead of being an expert witness for one side or

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<v Speaker 1>the other, he's hired by the judges to help them

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<v Speaker 1>interpret digital evidence. You'll know the time, You'll know the

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<v Speaker 1>voice because there's an actual recording of the boys. I'll

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<v Speaker 1>repeat this since it's important. There's an actual recording of

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<v Speaker 1>your voice. Every time you ask Alexa for something. Amazon

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<v Speaker 1>keeps that audio and hill a user manually deletes their

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<v Speaker 1>command history. Plus, because it's triggered to record and transmit,

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<v Speaker 1>you not only hear the commands, you also hear anything

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<v Speaker 1>in the way of ambient noise at the time, So

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<v Speaker 1>you might hear if the hot tub was running, you

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<v Speaker 1>might hear if someone was groaning, crying, fighting in the background.

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<v Speaker 1>The court order started a legal standoff with Amazon, and

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<v Speaker 1>the company handed over James's account information and records of

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<v Speaker 1>his transactions, but it didn't hand over data from James's

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<v Speaker 1>Echo device. Amazon told me in a statement that quote

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<v Speaker 1>Amazon will not release customer information without a valid and

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<v Speaker 1>binding legal demand properly served on us. Amazon objects to

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<v Speaker 1>overbroad or otherwise inappropriate demands as a matter of course,

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<v Speaker 1>and quote in pushing back against the search warrant, Amazon

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<v Speaker 1>side did both the company's First Amendment rights. In other words,

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<v Speaker 1>the companies to free speech as well as the customers.

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<v Speaker 1>There are certain kinds of speech that are protected constitutionally

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<v Speaker 1>in the United States. We begin to bump into that

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<v Speaker 1>as we look at your interactions with new devices. Ultimately,

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<v Speaker 1>it was the defendant James who gave law enforcement permission

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<v Speaker 1>to access as data, which ended the stand off before

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<v Speaker 1>it fully played out. Ever since, tech companies have been

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<v Speaker 1>in this tug of war with the government over how

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<v Speaker 1>and when they should release customer data. For the industry,

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<v Speaker 1>it's been this delicate balance between protecting their users from

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<v Speaker 1>government intrusion and helping the government chase down criminals. It's

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<v Speaker 1>something that Apple CEO Tim Cook just talked about last

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<v Speaker 1>week in an interview with Bloomberg TV. In the wake

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<v Speaker 1>of the London terror attack. We've been cooperating with the

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<v Speaker 1>UK government in uh, not only in law enforcement kind

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<v Speaker 1>of matters, but on on some of the attacks. And

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<v Speaker 1>I can't speak in detail about that, but in cases

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<v Speaker 1>where we have information uh and they've gone through the

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<v Speaker 1>lawful process, we uh not just give it, but we

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<v Speaker 1>uh you know, we do it very very promptly. The

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<v Speaker 1>public controversy, of course, all started with Edward Snowden's revelations.

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<v Speaker 1>That's when we saw for the first time this scale

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<v Speaker 1>at which the US government, through the National Security Agency,

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<v Speaker 1>was monitoring the communications of its own citizens. People are

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<v Speaker 1>in fact outrage. They don't like the idea of this

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<v Speaker 1>in any way, shape or form. It's very big brother feeling.

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<v Speaker 1>On July four, there were protests against the n s

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<v Speaker 1>A in eighty cities across the US. There were also

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<v Speaker 1>demonstrations in other countries around the world. Today, so a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of people all over the world have been demanding

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<v Speaker 1>greater privacy protections, and at the same time, these smart

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<v Speaker 1>devices that promised to make our lives more convenient have

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<v Speaker 1>gotten really popular. According to an industry report from Voice Labs,

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<v Speaker 1>almost twenty five million smart speakers are expected to ship

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<v Speaker 1>this year. And these two movements have overlapped. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>there are these young urban people who pushed back against

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<v Speaker 1>government intrusion, would like to be early adopters of new tech.

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<v Speaker 1>I can't tell you how many people I went to

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<v Speaker 1>school with would buy the latest smart gadgets but stick

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<v Speaker 1>tape over their laptop cameras so the n s A

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<v Speaker 1>won't check in. I think I've done that more than once.

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<v Speaker 1>But now, four years after the Snowden revelations, things are

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<v Speaker 1>shifting again. At first, the government told us that the

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<v Speaker 1>surveillance was necessary for national security. But as we generate

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<v Speaker 1>more and more data on more and more devices, judges

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<v Speaker 1>and law enforcement agencies are seeing a lot of potential

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<v Speaker 1>for those records to be used as evidence in more

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<v Speaker 1>routine criminal and civil cases. Here's Craig again. He's the

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<v Speaker 1>guy who helps judges interpret digital evidence. The government will

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<v Speaker 1>be able to go to a court be able to show,

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<v Speaker 1>in many instances a compelling reason, clearing convincing evidence could

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<v Speaker 1>cause depending upon the standard applied um and the government

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<v Speaker 1>may be able to obtain a court order compelling an

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<v Speaker 1>individual to release certain information or compelling a third party

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<v Speaker 1>holder of information, a bank of business, a financial transaction

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<v Speaker 1>app company to turn over that information. And there was

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<v Speaker 1>actually an interesting case of investigators using the popular online

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<v Speaker 1>video game World of Warcraft to help solve a murder

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<v Speaker 1>back and how did that work. So, the sixteen year

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<v Speaker 1>old in British Columbia, Canada, CRUs Wellwood, raped and killed

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<v Speaker 1>one of his classmates, Kim Proctor. Okay, he played World

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<v Speaker 1>of Warcraft a lot and used the game's internal messaging

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<v Speaker 1>system to confess his guilt to his online girlfriend. A

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<v Speaker 1>local tech crimes unit got legal access to his communications

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<v Speaker 1>on the platform. So that sounds like a pretty legit

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<v Speaker 1>use case for this kind of data. But there's a

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<v Speaker 1>lot more to this that and what ended up happening

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<v Speaker 1>decrypted at Bloomberg dot net. Okay, we're back. Before the break,

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<v Speaker 1>we told you that police investigators and judges are seeing

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<v Speaker 1>the data that we generate on these voice activated devices

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<v Speaker 1>as a new kind of evidence they can use in trial,

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<v Speaker 1>kind of like how they might seize and search the

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<v Speaker 1>information on your smartphone or your laptop. When you talked

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<v Speaker 1>about the Internet of things, and there's a very fine

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<v Speaker 1>line between creepy and cool, and that really boils down

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<v Speaker 1>to whether or not the organization got consent from their customers.

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<v Speaker 1>That's Christina Bergmann, the CEO of Integrists Software, a data

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<v Speaker 1>privacy startup that advises tech companies on how to comply

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<v Speaker 1>with the European Union's new privacy regulations. She was previously

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<v Speaker 1>a group product manager at Microsoft with devices like Alexa,

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<v Speaker 1>and while that has some very compelling scenarios for making

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<v Speaker 1>things a lot easier, it also means that you're really

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<v Speaker 1>losing your privacy in in in your home, which for

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of people is an uncomfortable feeling, and that

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<v Speaker 1>that really boils down to consent as well. If you've

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<v Speaker 1>got consent to listen on an ongoing basis, and the

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<v Speaker 1>consumer has the ability to shut it off when they

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<v Speaker 1>want to have that privacy, then then that creates a

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<v Speaker 1>nice barrier. Okay, so maybe customers understand what they're signing

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<v Speaker 1>up for when they buy an echo, but some companies

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<v Speaker 1>haven't been so transparent. So a good example of a

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<v Speaker 1>company that did not get consent before listening to what

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<v Speaker 1>goes on in people's homes is Visio TVs. It would

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<v Speaker 1>be pretty creepy. It's the equivalent of having a technological

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<v Speaker 1>peeping tom in your living room. I wouldn't be comfortable

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<v Speaker 1>with it at all. So what Christina is referring to

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<v Speaker 1>here is a case that Video had settled in February

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<v Speaker 1>for two point two million dollars with the Federal Trade

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<v Speaker 1>Commission in the state of New Jersey. The company smart

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<v Speaker 1>TVs collected viewing data on eleven million customers since without

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<v Speaker 1>consumers knowledge or consent, including what people watched on cable

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<v Speaker 1>and streaming services. That's according to a statement from the FTC.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's really what a lot of this boils down

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<v Speaker 1>to is people being able to trust the companies they're

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<v Speaker 1>engaging with and buying products and services from. So you

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<v Speaker 1>should be able to make an informed decision about whether

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<v Speaker 1>the Internet of Things is right for you, although I

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<v Speaker 1>do doubt most customers actually read the fine print on

0:16:11.840 --> 0:16:15.920
<v Speaker 1>those agreements. I know, I don't. And Christina also told

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<v Speaker 1>me that the rise of big data, meaning companies could

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<v Speaker 1>store lots of information cheaply and crunch it quickly, has

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<v Speaker 1>some knock on effects, including the Internet of things the

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<v Speaker 1>data that people are collecting and organizations are collecting about

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<v Speaker 1>their customers. It's much more personal than it ever was before.

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<v Speaker 1>Ten fifty years ago, if you didn't want people to

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<v Speaker 1>collect data on you, all you had to do with

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<v Speaker 1>with close your laptop and walk away from your computer.

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<v Speaker 1>The difference today is that you can't ever walk away

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<v Speaker 1>from data collection. Your phone is always on you, and

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<v Speaker 1>after constantly collecting information. People are wearing wearables. There are

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<v Speaker 1>censors in homes and on streets and cars and in

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<v Speaker 1>office buildings through spatial recognition to technology. So basically, massive

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<v Speaker 1>storage capacity allows companies to collect and process all the

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<v Speaker 1>data they have on you. Information that's now more intimate

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<v Speaker 1>than ever before. And let's talk about what these companies

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<v Speaker 1>are actually doing with the data. There's a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>information that can be inferred when uh, when data is

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<v Speaker 1>collected about an individual. The real value of data is

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<v Speaker 1>not in the actual initial data collected. What's really valuable

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<v Speaker 1>is what can be inferred based on that initial data.

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<v Speaker 1>For instance, just by knowing something like your geolocation on

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<v Speaker 1>your fitbit, somebody could determine without too much work and

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<v Speaker 1>without too much time, where your home was and where

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<v Speaker 1>your work was just based on location. And here's why

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<v Speaker 1>that could be problematic. You can start to understand people's

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<v Speaker 1>patterns of behavior and look at that type of information

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<v Speaker 1>to know if somebody's home or not. In the past,

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<v Speaker 1>if some do you wanted to rub your house, all

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<v Speaker 1>you had to do is sit on the front of

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<v Speaker 1>the street and figure out when you leave for work

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<v Speaker 1>and when you go home. They could look at things

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<v Speaker 1>like how often or how recently you've opened up the

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<v Speaker 1>fridge door or your washing machine, or how how often

0:18:14.400 --> 0:18:16.640
<v Speaker 1>you've used the lock on your front door. As those

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<v Speaker 1>become increasingly digitized. Of course, tech companies are trying very

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<v Speaker 1>hard to protect all of the data they're collecting on us,

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<v Speaker 1>and Christina says devices from larger firms are more likely

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<v Speaker 1>to have better privacy protections built into their products. So

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<v Speaker 1>let's talk about how these electronic records are collected now, well,

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<v Speaker 1>I asked Craig, was the legal and tech expert, whether

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<v Speaker 1>the government could forcibly extract records if individuals and companies

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<v Speaker 1>don't cooperate. I'm a little area of the word forcibly,

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<v Speaker 1>but let's just say and compel apart from the Fifth

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<v Speaker 1>Amendment considerations in a criminal investigation, Yes, the government would

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<v Speaker 1>have to jump through some procedural hoops. We want those

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<v Speaker 1>procedural hoops to protect us, but we also want people

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<v Speaker 1>to be able to be charged with crimes, and if

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<v Speaker 1>they're guilty, be convicted of crimes. You know, but not

0:19:12.480 --> 0:19:15.000
<v Speaker 1>everyone is going to be investigated for this kind of

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<v Speaker 1>violent crime. Certainly I hope I never will. So how

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<v Speaker 1>do you think this big brotherness would affect just a

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<v Speaker 1>normal law abiding person like me. Yeah. So, let's say

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<v Speaker 1>you're being audited by the u S Tax authority, the

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<v Speaker 1>Internal Revenue Service for potential tax evasion. Craig says that

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<v Speaker 1>the process could get even more high tech and invasive

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<v Speaker 1>when we come to the i r S. There's there's

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<v Speaker 1>very little off limits in that regard, and the i

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<v Speaker 1>r S, in issuing an audit notice, can demand that

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<v Speaker 1>you bring forward certain information. And so the i r

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<v Speaker 1>S may look at your Amazon transactions, they may look

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<v Speaker 1>at your transactions on PayPal, and a variety of other

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<v Speaker 1>what we might call digital or non traditional banking channels. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>So let's say you've reported earnings of fifty dollars, but

0:20:07.480 --> 0:20:10.879
<v Speaker 1>you actually spent a hundred thousand dollars online. The i

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<v Speaker 1>r S could use that to catch you for tax fraud, right,

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<v Speaker 1>But to be clear, the agency will notify you when

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<v Speaker 1>you're being audited and asks for your cooperation. Okay, So

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<v Speaker 1>there's basically no room for lying to the government, and

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<v Speaker 1>Craig says the same technology also means that powerful people

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<v Speaker 1>in corporations will also leave behind digital traces of their actions.

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<v Speaker 1>So when they do something wrong, it's going to be

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<v Speaker 1>a lot easier to catch them and make them accountable

0:20:37.000 --> 0:20:44.520
<v Speaker 1>to NICA. What do you think this all means for

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<v Speaker 1>the kind of future that we're heading into. Well, it's

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<v Speaker 1>pretty clear that it will all be documented, right, will

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<v Speaker 1>all be recorded at all times, including in our car

0:20:53.800 --> 0:20:57.040
<v Speaker 1>when we're on the highway, and so if our cars

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<v Speaker 1>are smart, they can drive themselves. Can we speak? Not

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<v Speaker 1>just can we you know, get away with it, but

0:21:02.960 --> 0:21:05.720
<v Speaker 1>can we will the cars stop us? Yeah? And that

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<v Speaker 1>would mean that we would actually reduce traffic fatalities. Right, Yeah,

0:21:10.840 --> 0:21:14.080
<v Speaker 1>we'll do that. We'll catch more criminals. I mean, in

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<v Speaker 1>some ways it could be good for public safety, but

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<v Speaker 1>it does worry me, especially for people who live in

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<v Speaker 1>authoritarian regimes around the world. I'm specifically thinking about the

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<v Speaker 1>fact that I'm gay and that's illegal in a lot

0:21:28.400 --> 0:21:30.560
<v Speaker 1>of countries. If I was trying to keep that a

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<v Speaker 1>secret from my government, um, with all these devices around,

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<v Speaker 1>I probably wouldn't be able to keep that a secret anymore.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's some really scary stuff. You know. Before I've

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<v Speaker 1>never been very ideological about privacy, but have known other

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<v Speaker 1>people who have been, and I have to say that

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<v Speaker 1>reporting this story, I started to get it. I started

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<v Speaker 1>to understand why people are scared. I mean, it starts

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<v Speaker 1>to feel invasive. So James Bates, the man in Arkansas

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<v Speaker 1>who hosted the hot tub party, is being tried for

0:22:05.920 --> 0:22:10.520
<v Speaker 1>first degree murder. Nico, did they find anything on Amazon servers?

0:22:10.800 --> 0:22:14.200
<v Speaker 1>I wish I knew, but unfortunately we don't know. Not yet.

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<v Speaker 1>Law enforcement only got access to the Echo Dada in March,

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<v Speaker 1>and the prosecution hasn't made its case, so any information

0:22:21.359 --> 0:22:24.480
<v Speaker 1>that was gleaned from Amazon's records won't be made public

0:22:24.560 --> 0:22:28.480
<v Speaker 1>until later this year. What investigators did find, though, was

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<v Speaker 1>that the Amazon Echo was not the only smart device

0:22:31.760 --> 0:22:35.760
<v Speaker 1>in James's house. A central part of the lead detective's

0:22:35.840 --> 0:22:38.560
<v Speaker 1>argument to get an arrest warrant for the suspect is

0:22:38.600 --> 0:22:41.360
<v Speaker 1>the records from a smart water meter at the defendant's home.

0:22:41.920 --> 0:22:45.240
<v Speaker 1>Its data showed that someone used a lot of water

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<v Speaker 1>in the middle of the night, like one forty gallons

0:22:48.720 --> 0:22:51.960
<v Speaker 1>of water. The detective said the water was used to

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<v Speaker 1>hose down the hot tub area and get rid of

0:22:54.480 --> 0:22:58.280
<v Speaker 1>evidence of the crime. That would certainly explain the deck

0:22:58.400 --> 0:23:02.240
<v Speaker 1>dripping with water. James's lawyer says Victor's death was a

0:23:02.359 --> 0:23:05.600
<v Speaker 1>tragic accident that could have been caused by alcohol poisoning.

0:23:06.240 --> 0:23:09.240
<v Speaker 1>She claims his blood alcohol content is point three two,

0:23:09.760 --> 0:23:12.440
<v Speaker 1>which is four times the legal limit to drive in Arkansas.

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<v Speaker 1>The trial will start after a status conference in July.

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<v Speaker 1>Both sides will meet with the judge to schedule future hearings,

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<v Speaker 1>but in the meantime, Victor's loved ones are still processing

0:23:24.119 --> 0:23:34.600
<v Speaker 1>what happened that night. Just the things that surrounded I mean,

0:23:34.680 --> 0:23:38.119
<v Speaker 1>the guy's you know, my age, if not maybe a

0:23:38.240 --> 0:23:41.760
<v Speaker 1>year older than me. You know, you know, it puts

0:23:41.840 --> 0:23:44.879
<v Speaker 1>things kind of kind of hit home, you know, Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>if it could happen to him, could have happened to me.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just kind of, you know, it's kind of section

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<v Speaker 1>of faith that makes you wake up a little bit,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, you kind of stop taking things for granted

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit and kind of look at things. Yeah,

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