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Speaker 1: that he knows he's a fraud. He says, here, reporter

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Speaker 1: from the Daily Globe and Mail is about to call

427
00:25:08,280 --> 00:25:11,080
Speaker 1: me for a quote about arms sales of Canadian armored

428
00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:13,800
Speaker 1: vehicles to Saudi Arabia. Anyone know anything about arms sales

429
00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:16,840
Speaker 1: of Canadian armored vehicles to Saudi Arabia? Because I sure don't.

430
00:25:17,680 --> 00:25:19,919
Speaker 1: I'm such a fraud. Why don't people think? Why do

431
00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:23,160
Speaker 1: why do people think I know things? It's like, exactly, McCoy,

432
00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:25,800
Speaker 1: you are a fraud, So why the hell are you

433
00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:28,320
Speaker 1: behaving in this way? I mean, it's it's the worst

434
00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:29,879
Speaker 1: part is that he knows he's a fraud, but he

435
00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:33,280
Speaker 1: perpetuates it anyway. And then he's also here hanging out

436
00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:38,440
Speaker 1: with this uh, this Palestinian American activist Whinda was sore

437
00:25:39,119 --> 00:25:41,240
Speaker 1: um and you can go ahead and google her name

438
00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:43,840
Speaker 1: and read all about her and all that zany stuff

439
00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:47,880
Speaker 1: that she gets into. You know. Um, you go through

440
00:25:47,880 --> 00:25:50,399
Speaker 1: these chat logs and again McCoy is all over Task

441
00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:54,000
Speaker 1: and Purpose, and then you get to uh, Brian Adam Jones.

442
00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:57,320
Speaker 1: And you know, I've always thought Brian was a good guy,

443
00:25:57,480 --> 00:25:59,760
Speaker 1: like up until recently, if you I mean, I had

444
00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:02,119
Speaker 1: talked the other guys up at Columbia who just hate

445
00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:05,840
Speaker 1: his guts because of all the opportunistic things that happened

446
00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:07,600
Speaker 1: up there. But like, if you asked me on a

447
00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:09,640
Speaker 1: personal level, I wouldn't have had anything bad to say

448
00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:11,480
Speaker 1: about the guy. Like and it seems like a good

449
00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:14,439
Speaker 1: dude at the time, But then he was he was

450
00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:16,640
Speaker 1: the editor in chief of Task and Purpose and here

451
00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:20,240
Speaker 1: he is, you know, making fun of vets and which

452
00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:22,360
Speaker 1: is all over these chat logs, just trying to tear

453
00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:27,919
Speaker 1: down other veterans, um, making racial jokes, asking if the

454
00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:31,520
Speaker 1: guy that, uh that Alexander McCoy met is boring and white,

455
00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:35,240
Speaker 1: and then he even apologizes for it down the line

456
00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:38,040
Speaker 1: because he knew it was a stupid thing to say.

457
00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:40,600
Speaker 1: But this is the problem that these people are so

458
00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:44,760
Speaker 1: hypocritical about how they behave. Another person who is in

459
00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:49,560
Speaker 1: that private chat log is uh Talia Burton all kinds

460
00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:53,040
Speaker 1: of Asian sex jokes. The best part here is where

461
00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:55,520
Speaker 1: they're all joking. They like I said, they got flown

462
00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:59,160
Speaker 1: to Hillary Clinton event in New Hampshire and they joke

463
00:26:59,240 --> 00:27:02,280
Speaker 1: in here about actually assaulting Hillary. They're like, oh, look,

464
00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:04,240
Speaker 1: it looks like his hand is on her butt and

465
00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:07,520
Speaker 1: they're all, ha ha is it still reaching for when

466
00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:11,560
Speaker 1: you're firmly grasping. I mean, Jesus Christ, really, they're playing, uh,

467
00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:15,919
Speaker 1: some stupid game on here. Talia jokes about killing Donald Trump,

468
00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:21,320
Speaker 1: who was candidate at the time, calling another veteran a twat. Wow,

469
00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:26,320
Speaker 1: that's nice. It's just all over here. This other dude,

470
00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:29,359
Speaker 1: Andy Hurt, talking about how some of the veterans at

471
00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:34,240
Speaker 1: Columbia are literally psychotic, that they're literally psychopaths, and these

472
00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:38,240
Speaker 1: people were so petty they would go after anybody who

473
00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:42,560
Speaker 1: disagreed with them about anything. Um, And we'll keep going

474
00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:46,000
Speaker 1: into it The other character who was up there was

475
00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:51,280
Speaker 1: Chris Goldsmith again, also Chris Talia, all of them all

476
00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:55,960
Speaker 1: on task and purpose. Chris, uh, you know, he received

477
00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:59,480
Speaker 1: an other than honorable discharge and he's been fighting that

478
00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:01,679
Speaker 1: for a time, and a lot of veterans they do

479
00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:05,840
Speaker 1: get um other than honorables for reasons that probably should

480
00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:09,119
Speaker 1: be overturned because of various reasons. There's all sorts of

481
00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:13,479
Speaker 1: things that can happen in a guy's life, and uh, Chris,

482
00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:16,480
Speaker 1: you know, he's somebody who um, he's He's clearly gone

483
00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:19,199
Speaker 1: through a lot of pain in life, and he has

484
00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:22,040
Speaker 1: been candid about that and talked about it openly. And

485
00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:24,120
Speaker 1: that's the only reason why I'm even going to mention this,

486
00:28:24,359 --> 00:28:27,520
Speaker 1: because he has said it publicly that um, he made

487
00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:31,680
Speaker 1: a suicide attempt, and I think, or I hope that

488
00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:34,359
Speaker 1: he has gotten much better and that he's pushed on

489
00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:37,679
Speaker 1: past that, um. And I'm sorry to even mention that

490
00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:40,320
Speaker 1: in this context. I don't want to use that as

491
00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:43,480
Speaker 1: something to attack him over because I do not want

492
00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:45,200
Speaker 1: to go down that road and I don't think that's

493
00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:47,880
Speaker 1: cool at all. But I have to bring this up

494
00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:52,320
Speaker 1: because there were veterans at Colombia on that mill Vet's board,

495
00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:54,959
Speaker 1: and they started to have really um a lot of

496
00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:58,480
Speaker 1: issues with Goldsmith and UM, a lot of the things

497
00:28:58,520 --> 00:29:01,680
Speaker 1: he was saying in doing UM, I have some stuff

498
00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:05,080
Speaker 1: here where he was talking about in the In the chatlogs,

499
00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:08,600
Speaker 1: he talks about instigating a physical confrontation with another veteran

500
00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:11,240
Speaker 1: in order to get him kicked out of Columbia. I mean,

501
00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:14,720
Speaker 1: it's like you have to draw the line somewhere. UM.

502
00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:18,440
Speaker 1: And then there were clips. Um. You know, Chris is

503
00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:22,320
Speaker 1: a anti war activist, or at least he was. And

504
00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:25,080
Speaker 1: he uh, he went and did some talks and things

505
00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:27,400
Speaker 1: like that, and and do you want to play a

506
00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:31,479
Speaker 1: clip eight? And that is him talking about some of

507
00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:36,160
Speaker 1: his Iraq experience. I spent my birthday and back day

508
00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:42,680
Speaker 1: and I come home. I'm a patriot act. I come home,

509
00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:46,760
Speaker 1: Tome police say I come home that there is a

510
00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:53,720
Speaker 1: dog lar. These politicians don't trust us. Why what'd that be?

511
00:29:55,680 --> 00:30:01,200
Speaker 1: Because they have Hi Jack donation wres At. George W. Prost,

512
00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:04,640
Speaker 1: the current commander in chief, only has a few months

513
00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:10,200
Speaker 1: left in office. Pure out for the chance to vote.

514
00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:16,800
Speaker 1: Choice Hey stay in Irred forever, or choice be stay

515
00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:21,240
Speaker 1: in Iraq. For a pretty fucking long time. I cannot

516
00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:27,000
Speaker 1: accept either one of those choices. He's a racking soldier

517
00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:35,160
Speaker 1: for falsely that reason. I was infuriated, and my way

518
00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:38,560
Speaker 1: of teaching them and listen was to disassemble their a

519
00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:43,480
Speaker 1: K While they slept, I would take out the bolt

520
00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:46,080
Speaker 1: from their weapon and I would throw it off the roof.

521
00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:50,240
Speaker 1: I would then reassemble the weapon and put it back

522
00:30:50,280 --> 00:30:53,800
Speaker 1: where it was. When they would wake up, they would

523
00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:57,560
Speaker 1: grab their weapon, not knowing the difference. They would go

524
00:30:57,600 --> 00:31:01,520
Speaker 1: back on control on the streets of my at for

525
00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:07,080
Speaker 1: hours a day in unarmored trucks. The Iraqi soldiers only

526
00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:15,360
Speaker 1: defense was aggressive fire. I removed that ability. When I

527
00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:18,520
Speaker 1: went to my friends feeling a little guilty for what

528
00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:21,719
Speaker 1: I had done, they thought it was a great idea.

529
00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:26,720
Speaker 1: So we all did it. My entire platoon disassembled every

530
00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:31,080
Speaker 1: single K forty seven for entire company of Iraqis, and

531
00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:33,960
Speaker 1: we set them back up on patrol with no way

532
00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:37,800
Speaker 1: to defend themselves in unarmored vehicles. All right, you paused there.

533
00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:43,280
Speaker 1: So this is a kind of activism that Chris Goldsmith

534
00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:45,880
Speaker 1: was engaging in. And uh, you know, I think by

535
00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:48,120
Speaker 1: his own admission, he was a young guy had just

536
00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:52,160
Speaker 1: gotten out of the military. Um, was angry, upset again

537
00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:55,800
Speaker 1: in pain, and uh, he's probably a different person today.

538
00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:57,880
Speaker 1: I mean, I know I'm a different person since I

539
00:31:57,880 --> 00:32:01,240
Speaker 1: got out of the army eight years ago. Um. But

540
00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:04,280
Speaker 1: the mill vets at Columbia started seeing this kind of

541
00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:07,800
Speaker 1: stuff and they're kind of like, is this really representative

542
00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:11,040
Speaker 1: of us? It's just another thing that guys started going

543
00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:13,840
Speaker 1: getting ballistic about because I mean, he is talking about

544
00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:19,520
Speaker 1: some doing some stuff in Iraq that's just like wildly unethical. Um.

545
00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:23,280
Speaker 1: And then you get down to uh, Matt Lutt's former

546
00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:27,120
Speaker 1: EOT diver. Uh, he's on task and purpose. Also it's

547
00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:31,120
Speaker 1: like some beard oil guy and Uh I started asking

548
00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:35,000
Speaker 1: around about him, and man, this guy he's interesting. He

549
00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:39,320
Speaker 1: has a apparently a reputation for being a little handsy

550
00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:42,960
Speaker 1: with the girls at Columbia. Um, you do you want

551
00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:47,120
Speaker 1: to play cut? Uh seven? Give me the ring like

552
00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:53,080
Speaker 1: the Rainbowser expers in conversations that that me andsness to

553
00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:56,840
Speaker 1: the culture of how beings reading in the military. That

554
00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:02,840
Speaker 1: my question is most ing rected was less. Um, how

555
00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:05,200
Speaker 1: do you address in him back the presence of this

556
00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:13,880
Speaker 1: individual misogynistic mentality left the military is consequently driving female participation.

557
00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:18,960
Speaker 1: And most importantly, how can you specifificate address is concerns

558
00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:22,440
Speaker 1: that I believe do yourself or dismissile went to speak

559
00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:27,120
Speaker 1: up for themselves. And when a messager was said to

560
00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:29,720
Speaker 1: those other stem bodyers by lefting a man who are

561
00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:35,760
Speaker 1: the long scanning reputations a disrespecting woman, Well, I'm very

562
00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:37,760
Speaker 1: sorry to feel that, and I would love to talking

563
00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:40,680
Speaker 1: firstly about why that was. I don't really want to

564
00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:48,120
Speaker 1: talk to you personally work all things. Yeah, well he

565
00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:50,840
Speaker 1: didn't really respond to that. Um, that was a pretty

566
00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:54,360
Speaker 1: awkward moment where the young lady stands up at this

567
00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:58,120
Speaker 1: forum for mill vets and confronts him on you know,

568
00:33:58,280 --> 00:34:02,560
Speaker 1: misogyny and other things. Um, but I mean it's all

569
00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:05,440
Speaker 1: just kind of like par for the course with these characters.

570
00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:10,439
Speaker 1: Um there. I mean, if you look through the chat log,

571
00:34:10,640 --> 00:34:13,759
Speaker 1: I mean here's Matt Watts. He says, I want to

572
00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:17,040
Speaker 1: double team those papers like they were Barnard girls. Bernard

573
00:34:17,160 --> 00:34:22,080
Speaker 1: is the girls University at Columbia. And I mean nobody

574
00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:25,839
Speaker 1: in this group of progressive woke vets is like that's misogynists.

575
00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:28,759
Speaker 1: Don't say that that's wrong. They're all ha ha ha.

576
00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:32,719
Speaker 1: You go through here, more jokes about Bernard girls. We

577
00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:37,080
Speaker 1: got them using gay as a pejorative term. Uh, making

578
00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:42,080
Speaker 1: sex jokes, making jokes about pedophilia, all kinds of crazy

579
00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:44,360
Speaker 1: ship in here. And you know if these were like

580
00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:49,000
Speaker 1: marine infantry dudes out on a fob somewhere, you wouldn't

581
00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:51,399
Speaker 1: give it a second thought. And I mean, look, I'm

582
00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:54,200
Speaker 1: not politically correct, and I'm not the politically correct police.

583
00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:57,239
Speaker 1: I don't give a ship. Okay. My problem is that

584
00:34:57,440 --> 00:34:59,720
Speaker 1: if you're gonna pretend to be some sort of woke,

585
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:05,120
Speaker 1: aggressive asshole, and you're gonna go around moralizing every single

586
00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:08,520
Speaker 1: veteran you come in contact with who doesn't believe exactly

587
00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:11,719
Speaker 1: the way you do, you had sure as shit better

588
00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:14,200
Speaker 1: have your house in order, and you better not come

589
00:35:14,239 --> 00:35:16,920
Speaker 1: at me when you have your flanks exposed like this.

590
00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:20,480
Speaker 1: That is just unacceptable. I mean, as they say that

591
00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:24,280
Speaker 1: dog don't hunt, I'm not even going down fucking playing

592
00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:29,919
Speaker 1: around with that game. So back to the Hillary Clinton event.

593
00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:34,640
Speaker 1: They got flown over there on private jets. Are private planes,

594
00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:37,839
Speaker 1: I should say, um to meet with Hillary Clinton at

595
00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:41,240
Speaker 1: some kind of event. And this is this is again

596
00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:43,640
Speaker 1: what leads to the consternation that so many of the

597
00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:47,840
Speaker 1: vets up at Columbia had with these folks was that

598
00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:51,480
Speaker 1: they were turning mill vets into a platform for political

599
00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:56,160
Speaker 1: activism and task and purpose was essentially the propaganda arm

600
00:35:56,719 --> 00:36:00,600
Speaker 1: of that initiative. UM so in and you can see

601
00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:03,280
Speaker 1: it in the chatlog. It's all conflated with one another.

602
00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:06,239
Speaker 1: I mean, you can't say it's a private chatlog, but

603
00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:12,680
Speaker 1: also it's discussing business political activism, is discussing um mill

604
00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:16,040
Speaker 1: vets activities. Um. That probably should have been done in

605
00:36:16,120 --> 00:36:20,320
Speaker 1: more of a transparent manner Um. After all that stuff,

606
00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:22,800
Speaker 1: meeting with Hillary Clinton and using mill vets as a

607
00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:26,239
Speaker 1: platform for political activism, guys were just getting more and

608
00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:31,279
Speaker 1: more upset. Um. You know, the chatlog eventually leaks. Uh.

609
00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:36,040
Speaker 1: This thing is interesting because you can also see their tactics,

610
00:36:36,600 --> 00:36:40,799
Speaker 1: and it's the tactics that I have experienced too. Um.

611
00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:43,520
Speaker 1: What what happened was when the mill vets started getting

612
00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:45,360
Speaker 1: pushed back, and a lot of it, a lot of

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00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:49,000
Speaker 1: the breakdown. I said before that there's a political split

614
00:36:49,120 --> 00:36:53,000
Speaker 1: between veterans. That the second political split is between the

615
00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:56,640
Speaker 1: combat vets and the non combat vets. And a bunch

616
00:36:56,719 --> 00:36:58,840
Speaker 1: of combat vets a bunch of guys who have had

617
00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:01,120
Speaker 1: their country telling them to go kill bad dudes for

618
00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:03,520
Speaker 1: the last sixteen years or whatever, however long they're in

619
00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:06,399
Speaker 1: the military. They're not really too keen to be used

620
00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:10,040
Speaker 1: as political patsy's by some of these folks who did

621
00:37:10,120 --> 00:37:13,239
Speaker 1: not serve in combat, and now they're pushing this progressive

622
00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:17,920
Speaker 1: agenda tactically. It's interesting to go through these chat logs

623
00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:20,960
Speaker 1: and see not only how they were attempting to have

624
00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:25,279
Speaker 1: veterans kicked out of Columbia UM, but how they go back.

625
00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:28,000
Speaker 1: They want know whenever they get some pushback, they go

626
00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:32,120
Speaker 1: back to their group. They reassure one another, they do

627
00:37:32,239 --> 00:37:35,480
Speaker 1: a little pow wow, they go over their talking points

628
00:37:35,560 --> 00:37:38,120
Speaker 1: and bullet points for fine it, edit it, you know,

629
00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:40,680
Speaker 1: can you go and like my post after I after

630
00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:44,279
Speaker 1: I post this, etcetera, etcetera. This is what I've seen

631
00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:46,759
Speaker 1: when they went after me too, is what it is.

632
00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:49,560
Speaker 1: It's the Task and Purpose crew and one of them

633
00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:52,279
Speaker 1: will start saying something snippy. Then they run back to

634
00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:55,919
Speaker 1: their Slack account, they coordinate fires, and then they come

635
00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:58,480
Speaker 1: back and it's all these dudes who, like you know,

636
00:37:58,560 --> 00:38:01,960
Speaker 1: they're barely on the X Y z social media platform

637
00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:05,879
Speaker 1: until they go and coordinate fires and then they come back.

638
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:09,279
Speaker 1: So that's the game they're playing. Um. And once you

639
00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:11,920
Speaker 1: peel back that onion a little bit, it all becomes

640
00:38:12,120 --> 00:38:16,000
Speaker 1: very very clear. I think the other thing you can

641
00:38:16,040 --> 00:38:19,400
Speaker 1: say about that is that again, these people know what

642
00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:22,680
Speaker 1: they're doing is wrong, but they keep doing it anyway.

643
00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:25,520
Speaker 1: I thought it was interesting to see these uh you

644
00:38:25,600 --> 00:38:29,279
Speaker 1: know moments in the chat from Brian Jones and uh

645
00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:33,279
Speaker 1: Pete hearing In is another one where they're almost trying

646
00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:36,200
Speaker 1: to walk back what had previously been said in the chat,

647
00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:39,160
Speaker 1: as if they know it was wrong, but they did

648
00:38:39,239 --> 00:38:42,320
Speaker 1: it anyway, almost like a disclaimer. And I think Brian

649
00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:44,600
Speaker 1: was actually smart about that because he knew that chatlog

650
00:38:44,680 --> 00:38:53,319
Speaker 1: was gonna leak eventually. UM. So that basically sums up

651
00:38:53,520 --> 00:38:57,440
Speaker 1: where the nucleus of task and purpose came from. It

652
00:38:57,560 --> 00:39:00,440
Speaker 1: all came out of this and the implosion of VETS

653
00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:04,359
Speaker 1: in two sixteen, and a lot of those folks are

654
00:39:04,840 --> 00:39:08,359
Speaker 1: still on task and purpose writing for them. Um. They're

655
00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:12,239
Speaker 1: still running around moralizing like they're part of the religious right.

656
00:39:13,680 --> 00:39:16,879
Speaker 1: The other people the you know, the company also has

657
00:39:16,920 --> 00:39:19,359
Speaker 1: people working for it who are not veterans at all,

658
00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:24,080
Speaker 1: one of the most he's entertaining, but he's also the

659
00:39:24,200 --> 00:39:28,680
Speaker 1: least interesting person in this whole story is Jared Keller. Um.

660
00:39:29,080 --> 00:39:32,680
Speaker 1: Jared is their senior editor and he was previously the

661
00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:35,719
Speaker 1: news director at Mike and he got fired from there

662
00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:39,719
Speaker 1: for twenty counts of plagiarism. But this is who they hire.

663
00:39:39,840 --> 00:39:41,720
Speaker 1: This is the type of people that Task and Purpose

664
00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:45,600
Speaker 1: chooses to hire. And a feature on their website, and

665
00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:49,479
Speaker 1: you know, Keller is now a compromised asset. He can't

666
00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:52,759
Speaker 1: go work anywhere else, so he basically has to do

667
00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:55,719
Speaker 1: whatever he's told to do. And it's pretty clear. I mean,

668
00:39:55,840 --> 00:39:59,200
Speaker 1: I don't think Keller is ideological. I don't think he's

669
00:39:59,239 --> 00:40:02,360
Speaker 1: awoke dude. I think he's just some guy trying to

670
00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:03,880
Speaker 1: hold down his job and he has to do what

671
00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:08,200
Speaker 1: his boss tells him to do. So that's the gist

672
00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:10,960
Speaker 1: this whole story. And I mean, I think this is

673
00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:16,120
Speaker 1: uh a primer on the woke VET. Now we can

674
00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:19,000
Speaker 1: also go down the road of the right wing VET

675
00:40:19,840 --> 00:40:22,239
Speaker 1: and we can talk about that too, and believe me,

676
00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:25,080
Speaker 1: right wing veterans do a lot of stupid shit. Also,

677
00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:29,239
Speaker 1: you know the problem with woke vets is that they

678
00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:33,200
Speaker 1: demand respect as a soldier, but simultaneously they're trying to

679
00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:38,120
Speaker 1: posture themselves as a victim of imperialism or whatever the funk. Ever,

680
00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:40,480
Speaker 1: it's just really weird how they kind of want to

681
00:40:40,520 --> 00:40:43,160
Speaker 1: have it both ways. What they're trying to do, they

682
00:40:43,239 --> 00:40:46,560
Speaker 1: create themselves is like a caricature of the feminist ally,

683
00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:50,040
Speaker 1: as if they're like Allied Burrows, which is for them,

684
00:40:50,120 --> 00:40:53,480
Speaker 1: the counter to the mega veteran um. You can go

685
00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:57,400
Speaker 1: and look, for instance, at Adam Weinstein's profile pick on Twitter,

686
00:40:58,040 --> 00:41:00,600
Speaker 1: and he's wearing his American flag baseball cap and his

687
00:41:00,680 --> 00:41:02,800
Speaker 1: sunglasses and he's smoking a cigarette. I mean, he's a

688
00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:06,080
Speaker 1: he's making himself a parody of a veteran. I mean

689
00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:09,200
Speaker 1: these I think these guys like legitimately hate veterans deep

690
00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:11,960
Speaker 1: down when you when you really like get down to it,

691
00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:14,840
Speaker 1: I think they don't like it. And it's they especially

692
00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:20,800
Speaker 1: do not like cis gender, white male, heterosexual combat veterans.

693
00:41:21,320 --> 00:41:25,200
Speaker 1: And now it suddenly makes sense why these people come

694
00:41:25,239 --> 00:41:29,280
Speaker 1: after me, because just by default, I'm emblematic of everything

695
00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:31,760
Speaker 1: they dislike, everything they see that's wrong with the world.

696
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:33,960
Speaker 1: Why don't I just get out of their way? It's

697
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:37,960
Speaker 1: funny too, because our audience as like, there's been people

698
00:41:38,120 --> 00:41:40,920
Speaker 1: plenty of people who have accused you of being like

699
00:41:41,120 --> 00:41:43,319
Speaker 1: left wing. You know, so you you don't really fit

700
00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:47,120
Speaker 1: into this, Like no, I Donald Trump hard support or VET. No,

701
00:41:47,239 --> 00:41:49,560
Speaker 1: we get hate mail from people calling us cux because

702
00:41:49,600 --> 00:41:52,560
Speaker 1: we don't support Donald or we don't support every single

703
00:41:52,680 --> 00:41:56,080
Speaker 1: thing he does. Um. So no, I I don't fall

704
00:41:56,160 --> 00:41:59,520
Speaker 1: into that category. Um but it doesn't matter because of

705
00:41:59,560 --> 00:42:02,440
Speaker 1: my skin color, because of my gender, because of my orientation.

706
00:42:02,560 --> 00:42:05,680
Speaker 1: Things I don't control. And that's the great irony of

707
00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:08,120
Speaker 1: the woke veteran is that they become everything they hate,

708
00:42:08,680 --> 00:42:13,000
Speaker 1: that they become somebody who discriminates. And when I say discriminates, listen,

709
00:42:13,680 --> 00:42:18,800
Speaker 1: I'm not talking about the African American community not liking

710
00:42:19,360 --> 00:42:21,880
Speaker 1: white veterans or white people. I'm not talking about being

711
00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:24,840
Speaker 1: discriminated against by the LGBT community. That is not what

712
00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:27,600
Speaker 1: I'm talking about. The people who are behind this, the

713
00:42:27,719 --> 00:42:32,120
Speaker 1: woke VET. They are white, huppard class and upper middle

714
00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:37,160
Speaker 1: class people running around pretending to be allied bros. It's

715
00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:42,600
Speaker 1: absolutely ridiculous what they're doing, especially on Twitter. You can

716
00:42:42,600 --> 00:42:45,480
Speaker 1: see We've talked about this before, is what they try

717
00:42:45,520 --> 00:42:48,239
Speaker 1: to do is disconnect people from the network. It's it's

718
00:42:48,239 --> 00:42:52,560
Speaker 1: actually a concerted effort to d platform anybody they disagree with.

719
00:42:53,480 --> 00:42:56,080
Speaker 1: What they're doing is pushing a political project to try

720
00:42:56,120 --> 00:43:01,080
Speaker 1: to shape reality. It's um. It's a akin to anybody

721
00:43:01,120 --> 00:43:03,200
Speaker 1: who points to them and says, hey, look, you're not

722
00:43:03,360 --> 00:43:06,239
Speaker 1: the total moral authority on all issues, you're not the

723
00:43:06,320 --> 00:43:09,640
Speaker 1: subject matter, you're not the expert on every single subject.

724
00:43:10,160 --> 00:43:13,560
Speaker 1: They come at you like you're crazy. They're creating, they're

725
00:43:13,680 --> 00:43:18,359
Speaker 1: creating a consensus reality. Um. And it's interesting because they

726
00:43:18,440 --> 00:43:21,800
Speaker 1: function as a coordinated but decentralized network. It's not like

727
00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:24,680
Speaker 1: there's some sort of puppet master behind this. It's just

728
00:43:24,840 --> 00:43:28,680
Speaker 1: that they all fear being marginalized, um, because they want

729
00:43:28,680 --> 00:43:31,319
Speaker 1: to be in the cast of characters. But they all

730
00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:33,800
Speaker 1: have to establish their place in the pecking order. And

731
00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:36,239
Speaker 1: that's why you see arguments about who is the right

732
00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:38,640
Speaker 1: kind of left? And I mean, I've been a you

733
00:43:38,719 --> 00:43:41,040
Speaker 1: know parties here in New York City with you know,

734
00:43:41,520 --> 00:43:44,120
Speaker 1: very lefty folks, and it's very funny to see them

735
00:43:44,239 --> 00:43:46,560
Speaker 1: argue over who is the right type of left? And

736
00:43:46,640 --> 00:43:49,600
Speaker 1: you can even see these people on Twitter arguing amongst themselves,

737
00:43:49,960 --> 00:43:52,759
Speaker 1: who is the right type of left, um. And there

738
00:43:52,840 --> 00:43:55,560
Speaker 1: is a pecking order that gets established within them, and

739
00:43:55,640 --> 00:43:58,520
Speaker 1: they all fear being out you know, becoming an outcast,

740
00:43:58,680 --> 00:44:02,120
Speaker 1: becoming marginalized. So you really have to they really have

741
00:44:02,200 --> 00:44:04,480
Speaker 1: to put their blinders on and just head in this

742
00:44:04,680 --> 00:44:09,800
Speaker 1: one single direction and creating this consensus reality. Um. And

743
00:44:09,880 --> 00:44:12,040
Speaker 1: you know, I think so far these people have acted

744
00:44:12,160 --> 00:44:16,040
Speaker 1: largely with impunity because they have access to wealth, they

745
00:44:16,080 --> 00:44:19,480
Speaker 1: have political connections, and so far they've had the ability

746
00:44:19,520 --> 00:44:22,279
Speaker 1: to shout shout down anybody who dissents with them in

747
00:44:22,360 --> 00:44:27,680
Speaker 1: any shape or form. It's really incredible. So again my

748
00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:30,440
Speaker 1: point with this is that if you're going to hold

749
00:44:30,560 --> 00:44:33,160
Speaker 1: people to a standard, you had better be adhering to

750
00:44:33,239 --> 00:44:35,640
Speaker 1: it yourself. You better not be acting as a hypocrite.

751
00:44:35,680 --> 00:44:37,360
Speaker 1: And I think what we've shown here is that a

752
00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:40,680
Speaker 1: lot of these people are hypocrites. That they portrayed themselves

753
00:44:41,360 --> 00:44:45,760
Speaker 1: and as one person, and they behave in reality very differently,

754
00:44:46,239 --> 00:44:51,640
Speaker 1: not just being making sexist or misogynist or racist statements,

755
00:44:52,040 --> 00:44:55,799
Speaker 1: but that in their actual actions they're very opportunistic, they're

756
00:44:55,920 --> 00:44:58,640
Speaker 1: very petty, and they're very self serving. They're looking to

757
00:44:58,719 --> 00:45:01,200
Speaker 1: take care of themselves while pretending that they're trying to

758
00:45:01,320 --> 00:45:03,840
Speaker 1: like take care of society or you know, whatever the

759
00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:06,400
Speaker 1: funk it is they pretend they're doing. It's it's nonsense

760
00:45:07,160 --> 00:45:09,440
Speaker 1: and these but these are the same people who if

761
00:45:09,520 --> 00:45:11,960
Speaker 1: you say one thing, if you use the wrong word

762
00:45:12,040 --> 00:45:14,719
Speaker 1: to describe a woman, you say something that sounds a

763
00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:18,960
Speaker 1: little racist, these folks will absolutely mob you. They will

764
00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:22,759
Speaker 1: set out to ruin people's lives. Um And we've seen

765
00:45:22,840 --> 00:45:26,560
Speaker 1: it where they disconnect people from the network so viciously. Um.

766
00:45:26,719 --> 00:45:29,279
Speaker 1: Not just this the quote unquote woke vets, but the

767
00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:33,040
Speaker 1: actual social justice warrior movement. If you will the community,

768
00:45:33,160 --> 00:45:35,880
Speaker 1: if you will um to the point where people get

769
00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:38,360
Speaker 1: fired from their jobs. You know, they're not allowed to

770
00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:42,120
Speaker 1: coach their kids baseball game. It's like, literally you're pushing

771
00:45:42,440 --> 00:45:46,279
Speaker 1: someone to the margins of society. And that's what they're

772
00:45:46,320 --> 00:45:50,360
Speaker 1: engaged in. Some of the behavior that they that they perpetuate.

773
00:45:50,440 --> 00:45:54,440
Speaker 1: I mean, it's downright pathological, it's very cynical, it's very sinister.

774
00:45:55,400 --> 00:45:57,640
Speaker 1: Like you saw, you know I was talking about in

775
00:45:57,680 --> 00:45:59,440
Speaker 1: those chat logs. You can see that they know what

776
00:45:59,560 --> 00:46:02,560
Speaker 1: they're doing is wrong deep down, but they continue with

777
00:46:02,680 --> 00:46:06,480
Speaker 1: this crusader ideology. Just like the religious right They're constantly

778
00:46:06,600 --> 00:46:10,520
Speaker 1: moralizing everybody around them. And what do we know about

779
00:46:10,680 --> 00:46:14,040
Speaker 1: moralizers on the Christian right, the Christian evangelicals, what what

780
00:46:14,200 --> 00:46:17,040
Speaker 1: is it? Are they hypocritical? A lot of times, Yeah,

781
00:46:17,080 --> 00:46:19,240
Speaker 1: they get caught blown lines of coke with a hooker

782
00:46:19,280 --> 00:46:21,480
Speaker 1: in the hotel room, or or even worse, they get

783
00:46:21,520 --> 00:46:23,359
Speaker 1: caught in the hotel room with a twelve year old boy.

784
00:46:23,840 --> 00:46:25,959
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just something about the type of person

785
00:46:26,040 --> 00:46:29,480
Speaker 1: that feels the need to go around virtue signaling all

786
00:46:29,520 --> 00:46:32,480
Speaker 1: the time, trying to virtue signal rather than the actual

787
00:46:32,560 --> 00:46:36,120
Speaker 1: presence of virtue, just make yourself appear virtuous. There's just

788
00:46:36,239 --> 00:46:39,080
Speaker 1: something about that personality that what they're really doing is

789
00:46:39,120 --> 00:46:41,919
Speaker 1: throwing up a smoke screen. They're trying to hide their dirt.

790
00:46:42,719 --> 00:46:45,600
Speaker 1: And these folks did do dirt. Because it gets even

791
00:46:45,800 --> 00:46:50,200
Speaker 1: uglier when the this crew that we're talking about, these

792
00:46:50,239 --> 00:46:53,399
Speaker 1: woke vets, they were actually trying to blackball people who

793
00:46:53,480 --> 00:46:57,200
Speaker 1: disagreed with them. It wasn't just like uh, like twitter

794
00:46:57,320 --> 00:47:00,440
Speaker 1: mobbing or something. What they were doing and was they

795
00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:04,360
Speaker 1: actually were going to alumni in firms like Goldman Sachs

796
00:47:05,000 --> 00:47:07,560
Speaker 1: and black ball and other veterans at Columbia who are

797
00:47:07,600 --> 00:47:10,160
Speaker 1: trying to get internships and things like that. So like

798
00:47:10,280 --> 00:47:12,719
Speaker 1: for folks who don't know, like when you go to

799
00:47:12,800 --> 00:47:15,719
Speaker 1: school like Columbia, like summer, internships are a huge thing

800
00:47:15,920 --> 00:47:18,719
Speaker 1: and if they're supposed to lead onto potentially a job.

801
00:47:19,120 --> 00:47:21,719
Speaker 1: So a lot of guys um who want to go

802
00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:24,359
Speaker 1: work and finance are looking to get these internships at

803
00:47:24,520 --> 00:47:26,880
Speaker 1: big banks and hedge funds and all that kind of stuff.

804
00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:30,839
Speaker 1: And the Mill Vets crew were actually trying to black

805
00:47:30,920 --> 00:47:33,239
Speaker 1: ball other vets who had nothing to do with all

806
00:47:33,320 --> 00:47:37,080
Speaker 1: this drama we're talking about. They're just folks who who

807
00:47:37,160 --> 00:47:40,440
Speaker 1: maybe disagreed with something that they were doing. No. I mean,

808
00:47:40,520 --> 00:47:42,800
Speaker 1: you can't claim that you're trying to help vets, that

809
00:47:42,880 --> 00:47:46,319
Speaker 1: you're trying to help veterans issues while at the same

810
00:47:46,360 --> 00:47:50,080
Speaker 1: time doing this kind of petty bullshit. And I hope

811
00:47:50,120 --> 00:47:51,719
Speaker 1: what comes out of all of this is that some

812
00:47:51,800 --> 00:47:55,160
Speaker 1: of these folks weren't a little bit of humility and

813
00:47:55,680 --> 00:48:00,200
Speaker 1: learned that they are not standing atop the Ivory Town hour.

814
00:48:01,000 --> 00:48:04,719
Speaker 1: They're human beings. And there's some of them like uh

815
00:48:05,040 --> 00:48:07,719
Speaker 1: like Chris Goldsmith. I you know, he's a guy who

816
00:48:07,760 --> 00:48:10,759
Speaker 1: suffered and he had to go through some ship, right

817
00:48:10,880 --> 00:48:13,200
Speaker 1: to get himself right, and I'm sure that was a long,

818
00:48:13,280 --> 00:48:16,080
Speaker 1: hard road for him. And what we see with with

819
00:48:16,280 --> 00:48:18,920
Speaker 1: Weinstein and others is they're breaking the balls and making

820
00:48:19,000 --> 00:48:21,360
Speaker 1: fun of all these veterans. You know, the guy with

821
00:48:21,400 --> 00:48:23,960
Speaker 1: the American flag ball cap and the cigarette hanging out

822
00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:25,840
Speaker 1: of the corner of his mouth. Do you think that

823
00:48:25,920 --> 00:48:29,480
Speaker 1: guy is not suffering just because he aligns on the right.

824
00:48:29,880 --> 00:48:33,040
Speaker 1: You think that that guy is not having trouble assimilating

825
00:48:33,120 --> 00:48:36,120
Speaker 1: in a society. You think he's not struggling to find

826
00:48:36,160 --> 00:48:39,440
Speaker 1: a job. You think he's not dealing with PTSD, that

827
00:48:39,520 --> 00:48:41,680
Speaker 1: he's not dealing with t b I. He's dealing with

828
00:48:41,760 --> 00:48:44,440
Speaker 1: all the same ship you are. So why are you

829
00:48:44,560 --> 00:48:47,600
Speaker 1: taking a ship on top of this guy? All the time,

830
00:48:48,840 --> 00:48:51,480
Speaker 1: they're dealing with the same ship, the left wing, that's

831
00:48:51,600 --> 00:48:54,160
Speaker 1: the right wing, that's they're largely dealing with the same ship.

832
00:48:55,080 --> 00:48:57,320
Speaker 1: So don't pretend like you know, you're up in the

833
00:48:57,400 --> 00:49:01,719
Speaker 1: Ivory Tower and that you're on hutch A Bowl, and

834
00:49:01,840 --> 00:49:06,000
Speaker 1: that all these other guys, these pleabs, these blue collard

835
00:49:06,120 --> 00:49:08,719
Speaker 1: dudes that you hate so much, don't pretend you're better

836
00:49:08,800 --> 00:49:19,120
Speaker 1: than them. That's bullshit. So the woke vets are running

837
00:49:19,200 --> 00:49:23,719
Speaker 1: this form of social engineering, and it's destined to eat

838
00:49:23,800 --> 00:49:27,600
Speaker 1: itself alive eventually, because it's like you know, the old saying,

839
00:49:27,719 --> 00:49:29,759
Speaker 1: someone is always going to be more communist than you

840
00:49:29,840 --> 00:49:32,759
Speaker 1: are communist. Someone's always going to be more woke than

841
00:49:32,840 --> 00:49:35,719
Speaker 1: your woke. And what that results in is a race

842
00:49:35,800 --> 00:49:39,200
Speaker 1: to the bottom. And it's already happening, and at least

843
00:49:39,719 --> 00:49:42,160
Speaker 1: I don't think for for this crew we're talking about today,

844
00:49:42,200 --> 00:49:43,719
Speaker 1: but I think there are people on the on the

845
00:49:43,760 --> 00:49:48,320
Speaker 1: two political extremes, the neo Communists and the neo Nazis,

846
00:49:48,640 --> 00:49:50,719
Speaker 1: who that's what they want. Actually, they want the middle

847
00:49:50,760 --> 00:49:52,520
Speaker 1: to fall out. They want the center to fall out,

848
00:49:52,560 --> 00:49:54,239
Speaker 1: so it's just the two extremes and then they'll go

849
00:49:54,320 --> 00:49:56,800
Speaker 1: to war with each other. But that's another subject and

850
00:49:56,960 --> 00:50:01,320
Speaker 1: we we'll talk about that on another podcast. What I

851
00:50:01,440 --> 00:50:07,239
Speaker 1: think comes out of this um this topic is that

852
00:50:08,520 --> 00:50:11,239
Speaker 1: there are people like me who you know, like I

853
00:50:11,280 --> 00:50:13,279
Speaker 1: said at the beginning of the podcast, I was not

854
00:50:13,480 --> 00:50:16,759
Speaker 1: necessarily concerned. I did not necessarily care. I said, task

855
00:50:16,800 --> 00:50:19,359
Speaker 1: and purpose could do your thing. I'll do my thing.

856
00:50:20,280 --> 00:50:23,080
Speaker 1: I don't care about the mill Vets. That's like your

857
00:50:23,120 --> 00:50:26,000
Speaker 1: little league baseball team to me. I don't care, do

858
00:50:26,120 --> 00:50:29,960
Speaker 1: what you want. Um, I'm not I'm not politically engaged

859
00:50:30,239 --> 00:50:32,759
Speaker 1: in this kind of sense. And I think what comes

860
00:50:32,800 --> 00:50:34,480
Speaker 1: out of all of this is that we need to

861
00:50:34,520 --> 00:50:38,480
Speaker 1: start being more politically engaged, because if we don't, some

862
00:50:38,600 --> 00:50:42,319
Speaker 1: of these woke vet moralizing assholes are going to get

863
00:50:42,360 --> 00:50:45,520
Speaker 1: elected to office. Thus far, what they have done is

864
00:50:45,560 --> 00:50:48,640
Speaker 1: they've combined a lot of hubris with a lot of incompetence.

865
00:50:49,040 --> 00:50:52,200
Speaker 1: They keep doing stupid, stupid ship. They keep making mistakes,

866
00:50:52,440 --> 00:50:55,560
Speaker 1: but they will eventually learn from their failures and they

867
00:50:55,600 --> 00:50:57,520
Speaker 1: will get better at what they're doing, and sooner or

868
00:50:57,600 --> 00:51:01,200
Speaker 1: later they're gonna start running for office. Ian, I was

869
00:51:01,239 --> 00:51:03,920
Speaker 1: wondering if you can play clip seven, and this is

870
00:51:03,960 --> 00:51:07,040
Speaker 1: also from the from that podcast with UM with Roger

871
00:51:07,320 --> 00:51:11,200
Speaker 1: and Andrea UM and it's uh, they're talking about this

872
00:51:11,400 --> 00:51:18,880
Speaker 1: very subject. Yeah, yeah, I'm sorry, Thank you, Ian. And

873
00:51:19,280 --> 00:51:21,400
Speaker 1: you know, it's really interesting we think about we think

874
00:51:21,440 --> 00:51:26,440
Speaker 1: about these images of UM. You know, the stereotype of

875
00:51:26,880 --> 00:51:31,480
Speaker 1: who serves in the military is white male, this gender, heterosexual, Christian,

876
00:51:31,560 --> 00:51:35,759
Speaker 1: conservative male who served in combat and that is not

877
00:51:36,040 --> 00:51:39,719
Speaker 1: the authority of the military. And yet that is um,

878
00:51:40,680 --> 00:51:43,879
Speaker 1: you know, the stereotype. And what's very interesting is now

879
00:51:44,040 --> 00:51:47,440
Speaker 1: when we think about what this generation of veterans does

880
00:51:47,560 --> 00:51:52,839
Speaker 1: after service. There are a lot of people running for office. Um,

881
00:51:53,040 --> 00:51:56,279
Speaker 1: I mean there are two women vesterments of color who

882
00:51:56,320 --> 00:52:02,040
Speaker 1: are currently in Congress, Tammy Duckworth and Telta Gapper. Yes, um,

883
00:52:02,320 --> 00:52:05,520
Speaker 1: several more running. But what's interesting is that the New

884
00:52:05,600 --> 00:52:08,680
Speaker 1: York Times just did a piece on democratic veterans and

885
00:52:08,920 --> 00:52:13,960
Speaker 1: all talked about these guys that deetotype. So, um, what

886
00:52:14,120 --> 00:52:17,759
Speaker 1: do you think about that? So go ahead and hit

887
00:52:17,840 --> 00:52:22,200
Speaker 1: up what is it? Six? Play that one. Also, you

888
00:52:22,320 --> 00:52:25,680
Speaker 1: have to be aware of cashing in people who will

889
00:52:25,760 --> 00:52:29,080
Speaker 1: cash in on the very high trust that the public

890
00:52:29,160 --> 00:52:32,719
Speaker 1: still places in US. I think a recent people the

891
00:52:32,840 --> 00:52:36,480
Speaker 1: military was the most trusted group of people, you know,

892
00:52:36,760 --> 00:52:39,839
Speaker 1: more than lawyers, priests, whatever. I was like eight nine

893
00:52:39,880 --> 00:52:42,880
Speaker 1: percent of the public implicitly trust the military and review

894
00:52:42,960 --> 00:52:46,879
Speaker 1: their view and military candidate as I positive. And too

895
00:52:46,920 --> 00:52:50,479
Speaker 1: many people, just one on the on the negative side,

896
00:52:50,520 --> 00:52:53,600
Speaker 1: will use that and cash in on that too, sort

897
00:52:53,600 --> 00:53:00,040
Speaker 1: of absolve their disqualifying sins, right. Um. And on the

898
00:53:00,080 --> 00:53:02,680
Speaker 1: flip side, we do not dig deep enough, as you said,

899
00:53:02,760 --> 00:53:07,040
Speaker 1: into Okay, yeah, but in the military, guess what, we

900
00:53:07,200 --> 00:53:11,160
Speaker 1: have some bad people too, And I'd like to think

901
00:53:11,200 --> 00:53:13,080
Speaker 1: we catch them all because they're dumb, But some of

902
00:53:13,160 --> 00:53:16,680
Speaker 1: them are just good at covering the tractics, exagreeing into

903
00:53:16,760 --> 00:53:20,840
Speaker 1: these positions, and you need to ask is this person

904
00:53:20,920 --> 00:53:26,160
Speaker 1: ethically good? Are they morally good? More so than did

905
00:53:26,239 --> 00:53:30,880
Speaker 1: they serve as a one time only thing? So that

906
00:53:31,080 --> 00:53:35,600
Speaker 1: was Roger. They're talking, and I could not agree with

907
00:53:35,719 --> 00:53:38,680
Speaker 1: him more. He is absolutely right on with that comment.

908
00:53:39,280 --> 00:53:42,279
Speaker 1: We have to look hard at these vets who are

909
00:53:42,360 --> 00:53:45,120
Speaker 1: running for office, who are going to run for office,

910
00:53:45,920 --> 00:53:48,520
Speaker 1: the veterans who claimed to speak for us, who claimed

911
00:53:48,560 --> 00:53:52,520
Speaker 1: to represent us, who claimed to represent progressive causes. We

912
00:53:52,640 --> 00:53:55,439
Speaker 1: need to take a long, hard look at them, ask

913
00:53:55,520 --> 00:53:58,800
Speaker 1: ourselves are they ethically good? Are they morally good? And

914
00:53:58,960 --> 00:54:01,800
Speaker 1: some of them are dumb, they get caught, as he says,

915
00:54:02,360 --> 00:54:04,440
Speaker 1: and some of them are very good at covering their tracks.

916
00:54:05,640 --> 00:54:07,640
Speaker 1: And maybe we need to get a little bit more

917
00:54:07,760 --> 00:54:11,600
Speaker 1: politically engaged as veterans and looking at these people and

918
00:54:11,719 --> 00:54:15,799
Speaker 1: who they really are and what interests they really represent,

919
00:54:16,800 --> 00:54:20,560
Speaker 1: because right now we're a kind of crossroads where if

920
00:54:20,640 --> 00:54:24,560
Speaker 1: we're not careful, we're gonna get a bunch of social

921
00:54:24,680 --> 00:54:28,080
Speaker 1: justice warrior veterans who really are just a bunch of

922
00:54:28,160 --> 00:54:32,560
Speaker 1: scoundrels elected to office. Same thing with the other the

923
00:54:32,760 --> 00:54:34,560
Speaker 1: veterans who are on the far right and or in

924
00:54:34,719 --> 00:54:38,040
Speaker 1: that right neo nazi bullshit. We need to call them

925
00:54:38,080 --> 00:54:40,440
Speaker 1: out too, and we're gonna I'm gonna have to like

926
00:54:40,560 --> 00:54:44,799
Speaker 1: prepare a whole other podcast on the fascist side of things.

927
00:54:45,120 --> 00:54:48,640
Speaker 1: I've been doing some research on that, and UM, I

928
00:54:48,800 --> 00:54:53,680
Speaker 1: previously would have assessed that as a small threat because

929
00:54:54,000 --> 00:54:56,279
Speaker 1: I would have thought about like the Ku Klux Klan,

930
00:54:56,719 --> 00:54:59,640
Speaker 1: a bunch of like redneck hillbillies who are infiltrated by

931
00:54:59,680 --> 00:55:02,120
Speaker 1: the f E. I. UM, but there's actually a new

932
00:55:02,239 --> 00:55:05,720
Speaker 1: generation of alt right neo Nazis who are very slick,

933
00:55:06,280 --> 00:55:10,319
Speaker 1: very intelligent, very charismatic, and I can see how they're

934
00:55:10,360 --> 00:55:15,480
Speaker 1: trying to lore in people who lean right, maybe a

935
00:55:15,560 --> 00:55:19,400
Speaker 1: little bit right, maybe a lot right. And amongst that

936
00:55:19,480 --> 00:55:22,359
Speaker 1: group it's going to be veterans. Yeah, and and not uh.

937
00:55:22,520 --> 00:55:24,680
Speaker 1: I don't believe he's a veteran, but I don't know

938
00:55:24,719 --> 00:55:27,600
Speaker 1: if you remember the guy trying to primary at Paul Ryan,

939
00:55:27,719 --> 00:55:30,640
Speaker 1: Paul neil In. So he started out as like this

940
00:55:30,840 --> 00:55:35,319
Speaker 1: constitutional conservative type of guy. UM, he was very big

941
00:55:35,520 --> 00:55:38,319
Speaker 1: on getting rid of n aft in that type of stuff. Um,

942
00:55:39,200 --> 00:55:42,040
Speaker 1: I've actually spoke to the guy before and I figured

943
00:55:42,120 --> 00:55:45,279
Speaker 1: he was just like a good conservative candidate. And then

944
00:55:45,480 --> 00:55:47,960
Speaker 1: on Twitter, you know, as things progressed, he put out

945
00:55:48,040 --> 00:55:51,520
Speaker 1: like that the people attacking him on Twitter, we're all jews,

946
00:55:51,680 --> 00:55:55,960
Speaker 1: put out these means people of course, um, and went

947
00:55:56,120 --> 00:55:58,480
Speaker 1: like way over the top. And it turned out that

948
00:55:58,600 --> 00:56:00,919
Speaker 1: this guy, Paul Neilon was like a full on all

949
00:56:00,960 --> 00:56:04,200
Speaker 1: the right guy and and he you know, ran for office,

950
00:56:04,280 --> 00:56:09,000
Speaker 1: not successfully, but he could have successfully gotten that seat.

951
00:56:09,440 --> 00:56:12,120
Speaker 1: And then you know, said, surprise, I'm I'm in the

952
00:56:12,200 --> 00:56:15,080
Speaker 1: alt right. It's we're gonna have to get into that

953
00:56:15,239 --> 00:56:17,279
Speaker 1: more and I have to do some more research on it.

954
00:56:17,360 --> 00:56:21,239
Speaker 1: But they have their own jargon, their own code words. Um,

955
00:56:21,480 --> 00:56:23,960
Speaker 1: but that's what these people do, right, these people who

956
00:56:24,000 --> 00:56:27,480
Speaker 1: are political opportunists. They're throwing up a smoke screen pretending

957
00:56:27,520 --> 00:56:31,759
Speaker 1: to be progressive, pretending to be constitutional conservatives. We have

958
00:56:31,840 --> 00:56:33,880
Speaker 1: to take a really hard look at who these people are.

959
00:56:34,040 --> 00:56:36,520
Speaker 1: The funny thing with though, that their own jargon, in

960
00:56:36,600 --> 00:56:39,399
Speaker 1: their own signs, is that then the people who who

961
00:56:39,520 --> 00:56:42,600
Speaker 1: take that a step further, because remember apparently like the

962
00:56:42,760 --> 00:56:46,760
Speaker 1: a okay you know, has become a you know, alt

963
00:56:46,880 --> 00:56:49,160
Speaker 1: right symbol, and remember the picture of Kurt Schroeder a

964
00:56:49,239 --> 00:56:50,960
Speaker 1: shot show and someone's like, oh, he's throwing up an

965
00:56:50,960 --> 00:56:54,640
Speaker 1: alt right symbol, which is obviously not as Yeah, no,

966
00:56:54,800 --> 00:56:58,560
Speaker 1: it wasn't. It's the stupid circle game that soldiers play, um,

967
00:56:58,719 --> 00:57:02,000
Speaker 1: which Okay, it's juvenile, sure, but it's not racist. Um.

968
00:57:02,880 --> 00:57:04,839
Speaker 1: But you're right, you're absolutely right. And some of these

969
00:57:04,880 --> 00:57:07,800
Speaker 1: woke vets I see them using terms like like woke

970
00:57:07,880 --> 00:57:10,920
Speaker 1: for instance, that was like an right thing. Originally they

971
00:57:10,960 --> 00:57:14,000
Speaker 1: say like woke, red pill, all that kind of stuff

972
00:57:14,320 --> 00:57:17,240
Speaker 1: At Normis that was another right thing that I see

973
00:57:18,120 --> 00:57:21,360
Speaker 1: the woke, the woke vets uh and other s JW

974
00:57:21,640 --> 00:57:26,000
Speaker 1: types reappropriating these terms. So it all gets very muddled

975
00:57:26,040 --> 00:57:30,800
Speaker 1: and confused. Yeah. Yeah, I was just thinking of that though,

976
00:57:30,920 --> 00:57:33,560
Speaker 1: because you know, it's it's also like the extreme of

977
00:57:33,840 --> 00:57:35,800
Speaker 1: you know, if you see or for example, the whole

978
00:57:35,800 --> 00:57:38,680
Speaker 1: Peppe the Frog thing. I've heard interviews with creator Peppe

979
00:57:38,800 --> 00:57:41,600
Speaker 1: the Frog and the guy who created it just originally

980
00:57:41,680 --> 00:57:43,480
Speaker 1: wanted to make a comic book that was a little

981
00:57:43,520 --> 00:57:47,960
Speaker 1: bit um edge here, not ad a racism or anything

982
00:57:48,040 --> 00:57:50,360
Speaker 1: type of way. It was just you know, like inappropriate

983
00:57:50,440 --> 00:57:52,920
Speaker 1: stuff with Pepe the Frog like being in public and stuff,

984
00:57:52,960 --> 00:57:56,480
Speaker 1: but certainly not a racist guy and is actually really

985
00:57:56,560 --> 00:57:59,520
Speaker 1: piste off that these people have taken his character. And yeah,

986
00:57:59,680 --> 00:58:03,040
Speaker 1: I mean something that was entirely not what he intended.

987
00:58:03,720 --> 00:58:07,600
Speaker 1: So it's culture, man. I mean that's how thing cultural diffusion,

988
00:58:07,840 --> 00:58:10,960
Speaker 1: if you will. And uh, we're in a vicious time

989
00:58:11,120 --> 00:58:13,320
Speaker 1: right now. I still get it, by the way, the

990
00:58:13,360 --> 00:58:16,880
Speaker 1: whole like reappropriating the peppe of the frog thing. It's

991
00:58:17,040 --> 00:58:19,400
Speaker 1: even though I've heard interviews with the creator, it's still

992
00:58:20,000 --> 00:58:23,200
Speaker 1: very confusing of how this got picked up. I know

993
00:58:23,400 --> 00:58:28,240
Speaker 1: that like the characters um catch phrase was he would

994
00:58:28,280 --> 00:58:30,760
Speaker 1: like basically take his pants down and pee where ever

995
00:58:30,800 --> 00:58:33,120
Speaker 1: he wanted, and then it would say it feels good man,

996
00:58:33,360 --> 00:58:36,120
Speaker 1: and then that somehow became an all the right thing.

997
00:58:36,320 --> 00:58:38,160
Speaker 1: I don't and I have no idea where they picked

998
00:58:38,200 --> 00:58:40,400
Speaker 1: it up from and why it became an right well.

999
00:58:40,600 --> 00:58:43,920
Speaker 1: It's very confusing. It's a symbol. And and it's interesting

1000
00:58:44,000 --> 00:58:47,360
Speaker 1: you bring that up because, um, you know you hear

1001
00:58:47,840 --> 00:58:50,640
Speaker 1: like one one way of looking at the political spectrum

1002
00:58:50,840 --> 00:58:53,360
Speaker 1: that I know you've talked about, the horseshoe theory that

1003
00:58:53,440 --> 00:58:57,120
Speaker 1: at a certain point these political ideologies come back together. Um.

1004
00:58:57,240 --> 00:59:01,240
Speaker 1: And they have similarities. Um, they do. The the woke

1005
00:59:01,360 --> 00:59:05,320
Speaker 1: Vet neo communists, uh, and the alt right neo Nazis,

1006
00:59:05,600 --> 00:59:09,560
Speaker 1: they have some commonalities. Uh. It's interesting. Um. So the

1007
00:59:09,680 --> 00:59:12,920
Speaker 1: Peppe the frog, I think what that represents is like this,

1008
00:59:13,120 --> 00:59:19,160
Speaker 1: like this horrible swamp, drewell dwelling, ugly creature that is

1009
00:59:19,240 --> 00:59:22,200
Speaker 1: unsuccessful in life. He's just a piece of shit. Um.

1010
00:59:22,600 --> 00:59:25,120
Speaker 1: And this is you know, became an alt right thing

1011
00:59:25,160 --> 00:59:28,000
Speaker 1: because now we're going to get our revenge. Um. If

1012
00:59:28,080 --> 00:59:29,760
Speaker 1: you look at the alt right or you look at

1013
00:59:29,800 --> 00:59:33,080
Speaker 1: that those far far right kind of movements. Um. And

1014
00:59:33,120 --> 00:59:36,360
Speaker 1: the recent obsession that the that the far left has

1015
00:59:36,400 --> 00:59:41,360
Speaker 1: had with so called in cells people are involuntarily cell abate. Um.

1016
00:59:41,480 --> 00:59:46,160
Speaker 1: The in cell or the alt right personality. It's a cliche, um,

1017
00:59:46,280 --> 00:59:48,120
Speaker 1: with a lot of truth behind it, that they live

1018
00:59:48,160 --> 00:59:51,240
Speaker 1: in their mom's basement, that they're losers, that they can't

1019
00:59:51,280 --> 00:59:54,720
Speaker 1: find a job. When I looked at the far left,

1020
00:59:54,800 --> 00:59:57,720
Speaker 1: I found I was reading this article about um, about

1021
00:59:57,760 --> 01:00:00,840
Speaker 1: this other podcast that attracts a lot of young lefties,

1022
01:00:01,040 --> 01:00:03,040
Speaker 1: far people on the far left. I'm sure all the

1023
01:00:03,120 --> 01:00:06,040
Speaker 1: woke Vet crew they all listened to it. I'm sure, Um,

1024
01:00:06,560 --> 01:00:09,840
Speaker 1: and they were describing their listeners as fail sons and uh.

1025
01:00:09,880 --> 01:00:12,360
Speaker 1: And they described the fail son as um, the son

1026
01:00:12,400 --> 01:00:15,040
Speaker 1: who lives upstairs in their mom's house and they come

1027
01:00:15,080 --> 01:00:18,280
Speaker 1: down the steps once a year for Thanksgiving, shovel some

1028
01:00:18,400 --> 01:00:21,000
Speaker 1: food on their plate. You know, a relative asks them

1029
01:00:21,040 --> 01:00:23,280
Speaker 1: how schools go in they're like, oh, I have a

1030
01:00:23,400 --> 01:00:25,800
Speaker 1: two point one g p A or I or I

1031
01:00:25,920 --> 01:00:28,680
Speaker 1: flunked out. Uh, And then they take their food upstairs.

1032
01:00:28,680 --> 01:00:32,240
Speaker 1: And so it's very much the same personality. And what's

1033
01:00:32,280 --> 01:00:34,120
Speaker 1: the root cause we could if we were to point

1034
01:00:34,120 --> 01:00:35,920
Speaker 1: to what we could say, people are falling out of

1035
01:00:35,960 --> 01:00:39,680
Speaker 1: the economy and that's what's leading to these political extremes,

1036
01:00:39,800 --> 01:00:44,640
Speaker 1: these obscurest ideologies. Yeah, alright, so I guess if we

1037
01:00:45,120 --> 01:00:48,520
Speaker 1: have covered this all, it's uh. I mean I have

1038
01:00:48,840 --> 01:00:52,360
Speaker 1: notes and stuff for miles. I could literally tear up

1039
01:00:52,400 --> 01:00:55,320
Speaker 1: on these guys. Think of that that priority video the

1040
01:00:55,400 --> 01:00:58,240
Speaker 1: guy did where he's uh, that did a very good

1041
01:00:58,320 --> 01:01:02,240
Speaker 1: job addressed like Alex Jones his pile of notes and

1042
01:01:02,360 --> 01:01:04,280
Speaker 1: he just throws he goes he think I can cover

1043
01:01:04,400 --> 01:01:07,640
Speaker 1: all this. You want to cover all exactly? These people

1044
01:01:07,680 --> 01:01:13,560
Speaker 1: are off shore. Well, it's funny you mentioned that because

1045
01:01:13,600 --> 01:01:15,680
Speaker 1: there was like there's a there's a certain thread to this.

1046
01:01:16,280 --> 01:01:19,320
Speaker 1: Like if you start trying to backtrack you know, um,

1047
01:01:19,680 --> 01:01:22,680
Speaker 1: you know Zakiskell and Brian Jones they both went to

1048
01:01:22,800 --> 01:01:27,880
Speaker 1: that Philip Exeter High School and you start like backtracking

1049
01:01:28,680 --> 01:01:32,480
Speaker 1: their connections. Um. Then they do have a very great

1050
01:01:32,560 --> 01:01:35,320
Speaker 1: they have a very well put together network. Um. And

1051
01:01:35,400 --> 01:01:38,560
Speaker 1: you start backtracking stuff, it leads to like old money

1052
01:01:38,760 --> 01:01:42,520
Speaker 1: really quick and it leads to like the Transatlantic angle

1053
01:01:42,600 --> 01:01:45,960
Speaker 1: American relationship very quickly. And I mean I was like, Man,

1054
01:01:46,000 --> 01:01:47,680
Speaker 1: if I start going into that, I'm gonna sound like

1055
01:01:47,720 --> 01:01:50,840
Speaker 1: Alex Jones. But I'm not implying that that's like there's

1056
01:01:50,880 --> 01:01:53,640
Speaker 1: some sort of Illuminati conspiracy theory. That's not not what

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Speaker 1: soft rep dot com. I didn't get to any emails today,

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Speaker 1: but I'm always reading them. Um. There was a recent

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Speaker 1: email actually about the last episode how I mentioned the

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Speaker 1: Flint water crisis and someone was like, hey, I and

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Speaker 1: that's not really a crisis anymore as of um April.

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Speaker 1: But it still is that they've tested the water quality

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Speaker 1: and the water quality is like up to where it

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Speaker 1: four more lead pipes that haven't been repaired than those

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Speaker 1: that have been So I wouldn't say that it's not

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Speaker 1: a crisis still. I mean, it's just one of those

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Speaker 1: infrastructure things that I feel like, until we get a

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Speaker 1: very basic thing making sure that we have decent quality

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Speaker 1: water for all Americans. Uh, there's certain things that I

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Speaker 1: think maybe we should hold back on. So it makes

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Speaker 1: you wonder how many other places are around the country

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Speaker 1: where you know, maybe people aren't being outright poisoned to death,

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Speaker 1: but you know the quality of the drinking water is

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Speaker 1: having an adverse effect on people's health. There was New

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Speaker 1: Jersey I remember around that time. I think that's been fixed.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, um, anything about Flip Michigan. It's such a

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Speaker 1: poor area that it just it takes like one person

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Speaker 1: it checks, you know, to see what's going on to

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Speaker 1: make people aware. There's probably a ton of people who

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Speaker 1: are not aware for months until you know. Actually, that's

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Speaker 1: one of those good things Twitter and all that is

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Speaker 1: used for. It wakes up the nation when there's a

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Speaker 1: crisis like that. So um I mentioned on the podcast,

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Speaker 1: But I did drive over there and help panned out

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Speaker 1: water during that time, and it was it was kind

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Speaker 1: of interesting because you feel bad for the children, but

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Speaker 1: the parents. It's just like, I'll be honest, I didn't

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Speaker 1: expect to see this, but the amount of people getting

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Speaker 1: water that were in like brand new Ford f one fifties,

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Speaker 1: brand new Ford Raptors, Like, in my head, it was

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Speaker 1: just like, it is not the children's fault there in

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Speaker 1: this situation. But for me, if I was a parent

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Speaker 1: and I had this brand new car, whether it's least

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Speaker 1: or owned, I would fucking get rid of that thing

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Speaker 1: immediately and moved to some other neighborhood until this is solved.

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Speaker 1: But you know, what, what can you do? But nonetheless,

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Speaker 1: no matter how poor of an area you are, every

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Speaker 1: area should have cleaned drinking water, like, this is not

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Speaker 1: a third world country. So I was I was really

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Speaker 1: just that was one of those things that I was

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Speaker 1: just like, what the fund is going on here? You know,

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Speaker 1: now we hear about the border stuff going on. There's

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Speaker 1: a lot of interesting things happening that you think to yourself, like,

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01:07:56,080 --> 01:07:58,840
Speaker 1: this should not be happy. Yeah, well it's a result

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Speaker 1: of decades a lot kicking the can down the road,

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Speaker 1: and we're pretending these things aren't real, pretending they're not

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Speaker 1: happening because politicians don't want to, you know, show some

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Speaker 1: courage and deal with them and deal with the fallout.

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Speaker 1: So they just differ. You know. It's actually the same

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Speaker 1: kind of phenomena that I think is really happening in

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Speaker 1: the military right now, and that you have these officers

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Speaker 1: come in, they take command of these you know, large

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Speaker 1: troop formations, and they're scared to fix things because the

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Speaker 1: military is strained by war. Everything is being held together

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Speaker 1: by you know, a hundred mile an hour tape and

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Speaker 1: five fifty chord, and instead of trying to make real

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Speaker 1: they're just kind of like holding tight until their command

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Speaker 1: time is over. So they can get promoted and move

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Speaker 1: on to the next thing because they don't want to

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Speaker 1: make waves. No one wants to look at their commanding officer,

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Speaker 1: their superior to be like, sir, this this thing is fucked.

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Speaker 1: The immigration thing. I think one of the biggest problems

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Speaker 1: actually with you know, what we're currently seeing is actually

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Speaker 1: the left who who believe in um amnesty all around,

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Speaker 1: so they see that people coming over as potential voters.

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Speaker 1: Then you have people on the right that want to

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Speaker 1: you know, build a border wall. Uh, they don't want

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Speaker 1: any amnesty. So you have these two conflicting sides, uh,

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Speaker 1: you know, and and a lot of people funding both

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Speaker 1: of these sides. There's a lot of um, big political

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Speaker 1: action committees that fund both sides, both the like amnesty

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Speaker 1: crowd and the you know, build a wall type crowd.

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Speaker 1: So what's gonna get solved when you have these you

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Speaker 1: know that that's the main issue. I think, um And

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Speaker 1: because why we don't see anything change, and because our

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Speaker 1: government is afraid to make a decision. That's why, you know,

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Speaker 1: you end up with these inhumane situations. You know, it's

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Speaker 1: why you end up with you know, half measures that

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Speaker 1: leave our law for some officials confused and frustrated, and

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Speaker 1: why you end up with kids in cages because we

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Speaker 1: haven't tried to perform anything. We haven't tried to fix anything.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's been going on for years. Um, hopefully

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Speaker 1: that changes. I'm not optimistic, but I mean we can

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Speaker 1: still hope. And you know, lobby, Yeah, it's it's one

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Speaker 1: of those interesting things that where something does need to

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Speaker 1: be done because I do see both sides of the equation.

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Speaker 1: I personally am a strong border enforcement guy. I've been

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Speaker 1: on the net the green Line podcast with the Border Patrol. Um.

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Speaker 1: I was apparently on the same episode as John McCain,

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Speaker 1: which is interesting, but I I tend to agree with

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Speaker 1: those guys on just about everything when it comes to

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Speaker 1: the border. UM. So the thing is, I would say

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Speaker 1: most of the people who are coming over that border

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Speaker 1: with their children, yes, they are in hopes of a

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Speaker 1: better life and supporting their family. But we also need

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Speaker 1: to be aware that it is a major national security crisis.

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Speaker 1: And I don't think that bad guys, whether it's the

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Speaker 1: Mexican drug cartels or potential terrorists are going to exploit that.

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Speaker 1: They're not going to exploit a porous border, and we

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Speaker 1: do need to look at that angle as well. Yeah. Absolutely, Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I mean when we had Dan Gordon on who talked

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Speaker 1: about like tunnels being built, those tunnels could be built

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Speaker 1: for many things, and uh, I think it's something we

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Speaker 1: should be aware of. Yeah. I mean they need like

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Speaker 1: wide scale you know, policy reforms across the board that

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Speaker 1: I agree. Um, anything else before we wrap this up? No,

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Speaker 1: I think that's Um well, I mean I always have

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Speaker 1: more a shade to throw on this particular subject, but

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Speaker 1: I think, you know, I should probably stop. It's not

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Speaker 1: about going on a rant. It's about making a point

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Speaker 1: backed up by evidence. Um So now I'll leave it

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Speaker 1: at that. What you did? What are you? Are you

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Speaker 1: expecting major backlash once I posted this? Uh No, Now

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Speaker 1: they're normal. Tactic is being like grow up Jack, Why

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Speaker 1: can't we just be friends. Let's brow hug this out,

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Speaker 1: let's come together and work together to find solutions. Is

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Speaker 1: show on Instagram and Twitter at self Rep Radio, and

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Speaker 1: be sure to also check out the Power of Thought podcast,

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Speaker 1: hosted by Hurricane Group CEO and Navy Seal Sniper instructor

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Speaker 1: Brandon Webb.