Speaker 1: Hello the Internet, and welcome to Season three, twenty nine,
Speaker 1: Episode two of Daily Like Ice Day production of iHeart Radio.
Speaker 1: And it's always fun to do that in a hotel.
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Speaker 1: On, what the fuck the people next door think is happening.
Speaker 1: This is a podcast where we take a deep dive
Speaker 1: into America's shared consciousness in case you're wondering what the
Speaker 1: hell is happening. And it is Tuesday, March twelfth, twenty four,
Speaker 1: that weekday many shout out till the beginning of March.
Speaker 2: Shout out my boys Mike and Chris. They have the
Speaker 2: same birthday today. Also, and if it's your birthday, it's
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Speaker 2: happy birthday to you if you're four March twelve. Also
Speaker 2: it's National Working Mom's Day, National Baked Scallops Day, National
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Speaker 1: Do you have other friends with birthdays around this time?
Speaker 1: Because I always say that the thing that makes me
Speaker 1: believe that there's something to all the astrology shit is that,
Speaker 1: like my best friends from growing up, Chris and Jose
Speaker 1: and then my wife are like born within three days
Speaker 1: of each other. And then there's other people in my
Speaker 1: life who like had close birthdays close to that time.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And then like the first four people that started cracked
Speaker 1: with me were all born like within three days of
Speaker 1: each other.
Speaker 2: Oh, I mean I have I mean, I got a
Speaker 2: lot of Pissy's friends. I got some four po homies.
Speaker 2: I have some choruses, cancers and cancers in my life.
Speaker 2: Just okay, I'm not the astrological sign. Just talxic people
Speaker 2: in my life.
Speaker 1: Just the worst.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And then one just passive aggressive ass LEO love here
Speaker 1: all right. My name is Jack O'Brien AKA. I tried
Speaker 1: keV Lord to shield my heart, but in the end,
Speaker 1: my balls were all that mattered. They had the goal
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Speaker 1: we were recently talking about how bulletproof veests seems like
Speaker 1: it doesn't cover up some of the more important parts
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Speaker 1: I'm thrilled to be joined as always by my co host,
Speaker 1: mister Miles Grass.
Speaker 2: This Miles Gray the Blazer's Showgun with no gun. Aka,
Speaker 2: if you haven't gun problems, if with Befy, you's son,
Speaker 2: I got ninety nine problems, but a gun ain't one
Speaker 2: hit me? All right? Shout out to Christy Young Acucci
Speaker 2: man on the discord. You know with my my father's
Speaker 2: famous adage, why don't we have a gun in the house?
Speaker 2: You look, you got a gun. You have gun problems there.
Speaker 2: It does not for everybody, but sometimes a good explanation
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and Miles, we are thrilled to be joined in
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Speaker 3: Thank you.
Speaker 4: I love that.
Speaker 2: Oh, welcome back. Too long, been too long.
Speaker 3: Listen y'all made me feel like a star. Thank you,
Speaker 3: thank you. That's what I needed today.
Speaker 2: I mean you are I mean every time we were like,
Speaker 2: there's on point commentary on the certain things in the world.
Speaker 2: Like I definitely always check your Twitter and see what
Speaker 2: you're saying. So it's always nice to see you, you know,
Speaker 2: and also just to see how many people are they
Speaker 2: fuck with you.
Speaker 3: That makes me feel.
Speaker 4: My assistant said to me last week, he said, you know,
Speaker 4: every time something happens in the subways in New York,
Speaker 4: you seem to be in high to man.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's funny because when we talked about
Speaker 2: Governor Holkle's plan to fully militarize the subway system, I
Speaker 2: caught one of that from your So yeah, I mean
Speaker 2: obviously there were news headlines, but you know that the
Speaker 2: way I first came into contact, whether it was your
Speaker 2: commentary on it, for sure, And.
Speaker 4: I'm happy to hear a professionally hating and hokal and
Speaker 4: Eric Adams twenty four to seven.
Speaker 2: The yeah yeah one, Eric Adams.
Speaker 1: What is how has the Eric Adams administration been treating
Speaker 1: you of late?
Speaker 4: Pretty listen, Eric, I'm getting ready to write my second
Speaker 4: expos on Eric Adams, and I thought I had said
Speaker 4: when I needed to in my first two hour expos
Speaker 4: on Eric Adams, but turns out he can just keep
Speaker 4: getting worse. But it's getting good now because they have
Speaker 4: a federal investigation against him.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the news is getting hot for him. I like that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, amazing. So just the gift that keeps on giving,
Speaker 1: it feels like and taking away in terms of people
Speaker 1: quality of life, but for people, you know, paying attention,
Speaker 1: just the entertainingly bafflingly batshit. Yeah all right, Well we're
Speaker 1: going to get to know you a little bit better
Speaker 1: right now, you know, later on we're going to talk
Speaker 1: about copaganda, law and order, all the things that you
Speaker 1: are so brilliant at breaking down for us, you know,
Speaker 1: things that I grew up on just that are deep
Speaker 1: in there unfortunately. But before we get to that, we
Speaker 1: do like to ask our guests, what is something from
Speaker 1: your search history that's revealing about who you are?
Speaker 3: Right now?
Speaker 4: My Google search history is filled with me searching for
Speaker 4: all Mary Kay Nashley books that I have to buy
Speaker 4: used because for whatever reason, they're not selling them new anymore.
Speaker 4: And you know what's crazy, I keep trying to google
Speaker 4: answers like why has no one else explored why Mary
Speaker 4: Kay Nashley don't have those available? Like you could buy
Speaker 4: the damn federalist papers, books that happened before you Like,
Speaker 4: but I can't get Mary Kay Nashley books new.
Speaker 3: That's right, that's what I'm searching.
Speaker 1: Were you raised on Mary Kay Nashalie, Like, are those
Speaker 1: nostalgis for you.
Speaker 4: To understand that if Mary Kay Nashley was on it,
Speaker 4: I bought it. Okay, I wow all them books?
Speaker 3: Okay, I love you. I love them.
Speaker 2: You got the first sedition Brother for sale.
Speaker 3: Listen.
Speaker 4: I had when I had a bookcase in my room
Speaker 4: as a kid, and it was completely just filled all
Speaker 4: in books.
Speaker 3: Every time it would be like a book sale at
Speaker 3: my school. And you know what I liked. It was
Speaker 3: before the internet was what it was.
Speaker 4: It wasn't like you could just google, oh, here are
Speaker 4: all the Mary Kay Nationally books. It was just like
Speaker 4: it would be random new like, oh, they're on this one.
Speaker 3: It's the Adventures of something else. I'm getting that. I
Speaker 3: loved Urrigay Nationally. I went up for them. Those were
Speaker 3: my favorite two white girls in the world.
Speaker 2: I wasn't They were in the grade below me in
Speaker 2: grade school at the same school, and they were never
Speaker 2: at school. But I look, I'm like one of my
Speaker 2: point at Pride, you know, Mary Kate had you know,
Speaker 2: shatterye on me, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: So, okay, look, why were they out of school? They
Speaker 1: were too busy typing out all those novels.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean because they were just like you know,
Speaker 2: like in la like a lot of times you go
Speaker 2: to scholick their kids who just are in the business.
Speaker 2: They're just they're fucking working all the time. And then
Speaker 2: they also just have set teachers, so like when they
Speaker 2: even even when they come to school, they're like, I
Speaker 2: don't know what the fuck is going on, man, Like
Speaker 2: I just came here to just like see just to
Speaker 2: let y'all know how balling we are, and then we'll
Speaker 2: maybe see you in like another couple of months.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the brand was real, though, you know. The thing
Speaker 1: that I always heard was that they had like become
Speaker 1: billionaires by the time I think we were like in
Speaker 1: our early twenties, were.
Speaker 2: Bonaire.
Speaker 3: I definitely gave them a billion dollars. I'm telling you
Speaker 3: me alone.
Speaker 1: But like I didn't know the publishing side of their empire.
Speaker 1: I knew that they had movies, Like.
Speaker 4: It's such an underrated part of the empire because it
Speaker 4: was huge. Every for fuck the movies. Like the movies,
Speaker 4: they were going to make the books up. They had
Speaker 4: like a little show when they were young called like
Speaker 4: the Adventures of American Nashley, and they turned that into a
Speaker 4: book bag every time they had and anytime they did
Speaker 4: have a show, they would turn every episode of their
Speaker 4: shows into one of those books. It would be the
Speaker 4: Adventures of America and that. So listen, I grew up
Speaker 4: in the Bahamas, so understand if I'm telling you, I
Speaker 4: was giving them all my money in the Bahamas, and
Speaker 4: there were a.
Speaker 3: Community of other little girls giving them all their money
Speaker 3: on the globe, around the globe.
Speaker 4: They had it. I had them all every series they
Speaker 4: had me locked into lay with like nineteen and they
Speaker 4: just decided they didn't want to run an empire.
Speaker 3: No more.
Speaker 1: Right is boring? I'm bored with this. What was your
Speaker 1: introduction to them like in the Bahamas? I'm curious, liked it?
Speaker 1: Was it full house or after them?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 4: My mummy so my household, my daddy is Nigerian and
Speaker 4: my mummy is this partner.
Speaker 3: So there was no fun and joy in my household.
Speaker 4: All I was allowed, all I was allowed to do
Speaker 4: was school and read and so the only thing that
Speaker 4: made bye. She'd never buy like video games and let
Speaker 4: me go do anything, but she would spend a bag
Speaker 4: in the bookstore. So I go in the bookstore, sit
Speaker 4: on the floor and just pick things. And I liked,
Speaker 4: you know, it was appeal was marketed to you as
Speaker 4: a girl. So I think I got the first one,
Speaker 4: and then I got all them, all those and lemony snickets,
Speaker 4: the series of Unfortunate Events.
Speaker 2: I had it all. Yeah. You like, do you have
Speaker 2: like a book you're chasing right now, like a grail
Speaker 2: Mary Kate and Ashley booked. You're like, man, you got
Speaker 2: to get my hands on this.
Speaker 4: I have like one hundred Mary Kayen n Ashley used
Speaker 4: books sitting in my Amazon guard right now.
Speaker 2: It's ridiculous.
Speaker 3: Like I'm like, I've told myself.
Speaker 4: I told my boyfriend I'm buying them for our future
Speaker 4: children as the investment. That's what I'm justifying it. I
Speaker 4: will be so upset if my children tell.
Speaker 3: Me they don't like it.
Speaker 1: Right, and it's going to rise up like the after
Speaker 1: the Apocalypse, Like it's going to be the Book of
Speaker 1: Eli type thing that everybody like uses as the gospel.
Speaker 3: I'm waiting for them to make a bounce back. I
Speaker 3: don't know.
Speaker 4: I want them to sell new books, but Mary Kay Nashley, like,
Speaker 4: I don't even think there's a place to put pressure
Speaker 4: on them. They just off the grid somewhere.
Speaker 1: They just quit us. They were like, yeah, we could
Speaker 1: continue to like build an empire and at this point
Speaker 1: be challenging Bezos's fortune, but we're just like it's boring
Speaker 1: to us.
Speaker 2: We're gonna go.
Speaker 4: And that's the thing, right, because that's obviously an executive choice,
Speaker 4: because it's one thing if they don't make new things,
Speaker 4: but they won't even sell the old things, Like how
Speaker 4: is a book just out everybody?
Speaker 3: Y'all have hundreds of books and the whole lot of print.
Speaker 3: Why are you doing this?
Speaker 1: Is one of them?
Speaker 2: Still with the brother of Jacques Shiak.
Speaker 1: I have no idea.
Speaker 4: I remember, yeah, okay, it was not the old guy,
Speaker 4: but I don't remember, like what came of that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, okay, okay, oh no, it's Nicholas Sarkozzi's brother,
Speaker 2: That's who it was. And I was like, what French president?
Speaker 2: Was it? Yeah?
Speaker 1: The brother of Sarco money I had, Yeah, I feel
Speaker 1: like those books, like I read every Hardy Boys book
Speaker 1: that came out. I read like the Red Wall series
Speaker 1: of books, and I feel like if I went back
Speaker 1: and revisited them and read them now, I'd be like, oh,
Speaker 1: this is like what my entire imagination is built out of.
Speaker 1: It was like fabric of these and hardy boys talking about.
Speaker 4: My mommy loved the hardy boys. My mommy is also
Speaker 4: a copaganda establishment democrat.
Speaker 3: Now people.
Speaker 1: They were, I feel like their story was that their
Speaker 1: dad was a cop, and then they were like, but
Speaker 1: that's not enough cop for one family, and so they
Speaker 1: kind of like moonlight as they were like high school
Speaker 1: students by day and then crime fighters by night.
Speaker 3: Yeah, riddled in copaganda every boy's dream. I love that.
Speaker 4: I find out childhood me didn't like coppaganda before she
Speaker 4: knew it was copaganda because my mummy loved those books.
Speaker 4: She bought me that and Nancy drew to collections and
Speaker 4: I wasn't fucking with it. Something about me new the
Speaker 4: ops was around, right.
Speaker 1: But Mary Kate Nashley solved mysteries, didn't.
Speaker 2: They, you know, not like you cut yours against the cars.
Speaker 4: And they started moving with that himes. They would make
Speaker 4: little like new new collections would come out as they Ate.
Speaker 4: So they had they they had the Mary Kate Nashley
Speaker 4: Adventures America Nashley. Then they had the Starring d series,
Speaker 4: then they had the So Little Time, and then they
Speaker 4: had the My Sweet Sixteens.
Speaker 3: You see, I know too much? Yeah, I felt.
Speaker 2: I felt, if you have any extra copies laying around,
Speaker 2: hit up aligning me, you know, slide it for a way,
Speaker 2: they will go. They will be appreciated.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I would love that.
Speaker 1: What is uh, what's something you think is underrated?
Speaker 4: What is underrated? Probably Mary Kay Nashley. But let me
Speaker 4: see what else? Chance the rapper. I'm gonna say chance
Speaker 4: the rapper.
Speaker 3: People.
Speaker 4: People be going too hard on my guy after that
Speaker 4: last album. It's really ridiculous. I'm like, you could get
Speaker 4: people back to back hits, hits projects you did all
Speaker 4: by yourself. They don't like one album and now they're
Speaker 4: talking crazy on your name.
Speaker 2: So I Love my Wife one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the last album was that I Love My Wife
Speaker 1: one and his wife Yeah wild how much that album
Speaker 1: disintegrated everything? Yeah, I loved that. Like Acid Wrap, I
Speaker 1: was obsessed with the next album, Coloring Book. I was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: like this is this is really good? And then one
Speaker 1: bad album and we were off as.
Speaker 4: As and just disrespecting and and you know what it's
Speaker 4: crazy is people like people still love to blame women
Speaker 4: because they love to blame his wife, Like it wasn't
Speaker 4: that woman the whole time, right, for all the other
Speaker 4: albums they had a child and everything. She get married
Speaker 4: and suddenly she used to blame for the artistic direction.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I forget which documentary it was, but Kendrick was
Speaker 1: talking about how he was talking to like one of
Speaker 1: the like recording industry gurus. I don't think it was
Speaker 1: Rick Rubin. I think it was what's the what's the guy?
Speaker 1: I made a made beats with Dre the uh and
Speaker 1: like as a whole. He was like the Defiant Ones,
Speaker 1: what's that?
Speaker 2: Oh, Jimmy, Jimmy Iven Jimmy I yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: He like told Kendrick was like working on Damn, and
Speaker 1: Jimmy Ivin was like, all right, so the third album
Speaker 1: is the most important one because if you just like
Speaker 1: absolutely nail this one, like you can do no wrong,
Speaker 1: you have like a trilogy. And that like at the
Speaker 1: time seemed like bullshit to me. I was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: just like so your advice is to make the album good,
Speaker 1: like yeah, no shit, man, of course that's the advice.
Speaker 1: But but chance really proves like that third album. If
Speaker 1: you fumble the third album, like people are gonna fucking
Speaker 1: turn on you in a way that you're right, it
Speaker 1: is completely unfair.
Speaker 3: You know what it is.
Speaker 4: It's not that you can't fumble the third album, it's
Speaker 4: that you can fumble the last thing you've done right, people,
Speaker 4: You're only as good to people as whatever your last
Speaker 4: project is. And it's just because that's his last project.
Speaker 4: He hasn't come up with anything else because let him
Speaker 4: come up with another good album, they'll just stop talking
Speaker 4: about that album.
Speaker 3: That's that's all. Because Kanye and I put out all
Speaker 3: kinds of garbage over the last however many years, and people.
Speaker 1: Still there like checking for it my beautiful, dark.
Speaker 4: Twisted Fantasy. I'm like, oh, he ain't done that in
Speaker 4: a wild babes.
Speaker 1: But he did nail those first three according to a
Speaker 1: lot of people. A yeah, maybe that's but at the.
Speaker 3: Time they didn't believe that either.
Speaker 4: Remember I was carrying on about at eights Yeah, yeahs exactly.
Speaker 2: That's me. Do I hate it OIDs? I can't?
Speaker 4: Did you hate a eights?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, that was just like such an electro music
Speaker 2: like kind of hips like this so into music. I'm like,
Speaker 2: this is an old style bro that's been going around
Speaker 2: with the blogs already for like two years. He's trying
Speaker 2: to act like he came up with it, and.
Speaker 3: I was just basing the money I had. Wait, that
Speaker 3: want a bob. It was a banger.
Speaker 4: I knew he had it when he when he got
Speaker 4: I actually had my my my high school boyfriend at Oasis.
Speaker 4: What inspired him to break up with me or be them?
Speaker 4: He called me like he called me and the like
Speaker 4: it said like in the Dad and night and was
Speaker 4: like I was sitting up listening a Heartless by Kanye
Speaker 4: and I decided I wasn't just gonna twiddle my thumbs
Speaker 4: and deal just stuff no more. Wows many artists have
Speaker 4: inspired a man to decide to rise up against me, to.
Speaker 1: Make the wrong decision. Yeah, inspires, and sometimes it inspires
Speaker 1: the wrong you have chosen unwisely, sir, that's wild. What
Speaker 1: what's something you think is overrated?
Speaker 4: Mister and missus Smith's anyone with Childish Cambino and I
Speaker 4: hated it. It was fucking ass. It was so bad. Wow,
Speaker 4: I you know.
Speaker 3: You know it's crazy, all right.
Speaker 4: They were already hating on it beforehand, Like before it
Speaker 4: never came out, Twitter was hating on it because they
Speaker 4: were like, these are this is Twitter, not me, not me,
Speaker 4: Twitter said, Twitter said that these are ugly people and
Speaker 4: missus Smith. Yeah right, so that's why they was Hayden.
Speaker 4: So then when it came out and then people were like, oh,
Speaker 4: it was actually really good. I'm thinking, oh, look at
Speaker 4: Twitter and i'e been Hayden. Let me go watch this.
Speaker 4: It was a hot sack of shit, but for entirely
Speaker 4: different reasons, Like it wasn't it was hod because of
Speaker 4: what these people look like the whole what kind of spot?
Speaker 4: What is this foolishness? This is stupid.
Speaker 3: They running through New York City, New York City.
Speaker 4: Bullface, running from explosions, They on video kidnapping and this
Speaker 4: was the stupidest. I was like, is it a spoof.
Speaker 4: If it's a spoof, then tell me it's a spoof.
Speaker 4: And then they have him just kind of like I said, so,
Speaker 4: no one's gonna think childish can be those characters like pressuring,
Speaker 4: like pushing himself on this woman. He's like, we have
Speaker 4: a job, and in our job, we're supposed to be
Speaker 4: fake married, so you should fuck me for real.
Speaker 2: I should keep it.
Speaker 4: You should just you should do that. I'm gonna keep
Speaker 4: And then they had them like, I have this weird
Speaker 4: like experience with this woman was not interested in him
Speaker 4: as far as the actress to me was given lesbian
Speaker 4: I was waiting for to tell him that she's not
Speaker 4: with it, Like I thought that's where they were going
Speaker 4: with it, right, No, suddenly they have weird this woman
Speaker 4: who's been totally this interested with this weirdo who keeps
Speaker 4: shuttle fucker because they have a job. They're supposed to
Speaker 4: be trying to be spies, they have serious shit to do,
Speaker 4: life threatening situations, and all he could think about is
Speaker 4: how to fuck the woman in the crib. And then
Speaker 4: when they have some weird mission where this guy like
Speaker 4: kind of puts them like basically trying to force them
Speaker 4: to sexually interact. Now suddenly because they were forced on
Speaker 4: a mission, forced to engage in sexual contact, now she
Speaker 4: wants to fucking for real.
Speaker 3: This is a sick, fucking show. I couldn't believe you
Speaker 3: wrote this.
Speaker 4: You wrote this like and don't get me started. Then
Speaker 4: at one point in nine, he said, what was it,
Speaker 4: he said, child the comino was using av wrong and
Speaker 4: it really blew me. It was one It was one
Speaker 4: particular time me and my boyfriend paused to TV like child,
Speaker 4: I see, I would understand if white people wrote the script.
Speaker 4: But you you're responsible. So what is happening here, childish?
Speaker 4: What's going on in the in the show? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah? What was it?
Speaker 3: What would he say? And what did he say?
Speaker 2: I have?
Speaker 4: I have to you know what I have is in
Speaker 4: my group chat. As we continue, I will find it
Speaker 4: in the group chat because me and my boyfriend texted
Speaker 4: our friend Nigel made us watch it to curse him out,
Speaker 4: So I'm gonna find it.
Speaker 1: I liked it, but the point about them not being
Speaker 1: able to get away with what they got away, like
Speaker 1: all the spy stuff seemed a little like under like
Speaker 1: it was a spoof. And then it ultimately kind of
Speaker 1: ends with that. But I thought they nailed like the
Speaker 1: weirdness of social interactions well, and I thought they were
Speaker 1: both good actors personally.
Speaker 3: They nailed breaking up I guess.
Speaker 1: Yeah, right, yeah, like day to day of like a
Speaker 1: bad relationship.
Speaker 3: Of breaking up. But all the rest of it, none
Speaker 3: of this ship made no sense.
Speaker 4: And then don't get me started on how every mission, right,
Speaker 4: every mission where they had a white person to deal with,
Speaker 4: to rescue, to envolu involved with when a criminal or
Speaker 4: notdamn job was to protect them, right, every every single one.
Speaker 4: The mission was don't kill them. The minute we see
Speaker 4: a group of black guys sitting at the table, no
Speaker 4: crime to be seen, just chatting with him, she fucking
Speaker 4: blows all their brains out.
Speaker 3: Ain't got some shit. She has a whole thing about us.
Speaker 4: She's upset because he there being a misogynist or whatever,
Speaker 4: chopping it up with the black eyes. You just murdered
Speaker 4: a fucking room full of negroes, but y'all was protecting
Speaker 4: the white guys every other episode. Me and my boyfriend
Speaker 4: was outraged and I was like, Paus.
Speaker 2: Get this shit off the airwaves.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think it's also like because of the genre mashup,
Speaker 2: it's like people either looked at it to a lens
Speaker 2: of being like a spy thing, which it wasn't, or
Speaker 2: like a rom com, which it or romantic sort of
Speaker 2: a metaphor for like a relationship. But like the mapping
Speaker 2: of the two like definitely too. Like towards the end,
Speaker 2: we're like can you get away with like setting off
Speaker 2: grenades at the fucking Whitney and then getting in a
Speaker 2: full on knife fight at the high Line and then
Speaker 2: be a little like prants your way home and then
Speaker 2: you're like, what legal reality are we.
Speaker 3: Just out like this? Just like this, it's visible. I'm
Speaker 3: just like y'all have to.
Speaker 1: They didn't get captured on a ring cameras after the
Speaker 1: first episode when they like blew up that house and
Speaker 1: where was that like Long Island?
Speaker 4: Also what would and where they were just running through
Speaker 4: the streets queens it was cool, queen openly running. But
Speaker 4: then when they had them like in the middle of
Speaker 4: fucking Union Square, so you this would don't make no sense.
Speaker 4: So they're supposed to be spies off the graded, nobody's
Speaker 4: supposed to see or know them. Again, you give them
Speaker 4: different names, but they live right there in the middle
Speaker 4: of the city to be seen. And this man childish
Speaker 4: can be no so supposed to be off the grid, Heiden,
Speaker 4: it's just chatting it up.
Speaker 3: What is all fun?
Speaker 2: Funk?
Speaker 4: But he's in the Market Square?
Speaker 3: No, yeah, is this foolishness?
Speaker 4: Foolishness?
Speaker 1: Maybe all right, we've had that as an underrated before
Speaker 1: and now we got the counterpoint someone was underrated. Yeah yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I think people, well a lot of people
Speaker 1: like that show.
Speaker 3: And they're wrong for that. I don't I feel like
Speaker 3: people talking.
Speaker 1: About it badly. All Right, we're going to take a
Speaker 1: quick break and then we're going to come back and
Speaker 1: talk about more movies and shows that are specifically giving
Speaker 1: us the wrong idea about how the criminal justice system
Speaker 1: works in the United States. Will be right back, and
Speaker 1: we're back, and I mean, we we've talked about copaganda.
Speaker 1: It's kind of it's like describing water to a fish
Speaker 1: a little bit. In the United States, especially if you
Speaker 1: grew up in like the eighties and nineties, just so
Speaker 1: many TV shows, so many movies are fucking copaganda. Like
Speaker 1: the cop like that is like a fault that Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: well the protagon of this is gonna be a cop.
Speaker 1: But Miles, he found a study from twenty twenty.
Speaker 2: There's a lot of analysis because you know, I think
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty is when people started being like, well,
Speaker 2: what the what the fuck are our shows saying about
Speaker 2: the police. And at that time, you know, the study
Speaker 2: show that like almost nearly twenty percent of scripted TV
Speaker 2: was about cops and that didn't even include shit like
Speaker 2: live PD or cops and not like the reality end
Speaker 2: of the spectrum. And then another subsequent study took like
Speaker 2: study nine of these scripted police shows. They found Wow,
Speaker 2: this and this will blow you away. Those writers' rooms
Speaker 2: zero black people show runners, zero black show runners, and
Speaker 2: the kinds of people that were in those writers' room
Speaker 2: were like posting shit on Twitter about lighting up protesters.
Speaker 2: And then even Dick Wolf or I think it was
Speaker 2: Dick Wolf had to be like, hey man, I'm sorry, Bro,
Speaker 2: you're gonna you're gonna have to fucking bounce on this
Speaker 2: show because you kind of too out there with your
Speaker 2: opinion about how you see people in the streets. But
Speaker 2: hey man, thank you so much for your work completely
Speaker 2: obscuring what police do in our society. So yeah, I mean, like,
Speaker 2: and you just the the menu of s is staggering,
Speaker 2: Like the number of ways you can sort of interact
Speaker 2: or intersect with some kind of narrative where it's like
Speaker 2: and the police, you know, they're just complicated folks doing
Speaker 2: their best, you know, so let's not go too hard
Speaker 2: on them. Let's not go too hard.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and it don't even be just the police show.
Speaker 4: The police shows to me, the ones that are more
Speaker 4: blatantly obvious, like this is a police show, are actually
Speaker 4: easier to deal with because at least I don't have
Speaker 4: to try to convince you why that's copaganda. You could
Speaker 4: see that, but it's baked into all the other things.
Speaker 4: Like I was watching the Chippendale, the Chippendale Rescue Rangers movie,
Speaker 4: which if you first of all, I never even really
Speaker 4: dawned on me. The Chipendales themselves right, like they're little
Speaker 4: police of their woodland, of their woodland world. But in
Speaker 4: the Chippendale live action movie, the whole thing is that
Speaker 4: they're working with their taking on the mission for the
Speaker 4: police because the police are being held up by all
Speaker 4: these Fourth Amendment protections. They're like, all the police can't
Speaker 4: do the jobs, so the police go to the chipmunks
Speaker 4: that have the chipmunks do it because all of these
Speaker 4: fucking constituential protections and rights you're supposed to have in
Speaker 4: the way, that's the whole I'm like sitting there watching it, like,
Speaker 4: ain't that the pitch.
Speaker 3: Look at this?
Speaker 1: Or I was watching a new one, the one, Yeah, the.
Speaker 4: New one, the live action Go watch it. It's crazy yeah,
Speaker 4: that's what happens in the live action or even if
Speaker 4: you look at. Me and my boyfriend talk about this
Speaker 4: a lot because he's a he loves Spider Man and
Speaker 4: the Spider Verse. And I went on and watched the
Speaker 4: second one, and I was I went with my friend
Speaker 4: alex Elo all overruled on TikTok who's also a PD,
Speaker 4: and he he he. We were just both like, what
Speaker 4: is this? So Spider Man is like they have it
Speaker 4: and specifically Spider Man would otherwise stringing all over the place,
Speaker 4: but suddenly he needs to take the subway just so
Speaker 4: he could stop and you could see the subway station
Speaker 4: stops for which areas in Brooklyn, which Black dabuds they
Speaker 4: were choose in, and just having him fight crime there
Speaker 4: and then leave.
Speaker 3: Go back on me. I'm like, look at this ship,
Speaker 3: look at it, look at it?
Speaker 1: Is that that's the second one, the Tom Holland.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, no, the Spider Verse.
Speaker 4: No with Black Spider Man's Oh that's oh yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: relentless NYPD promo. The amount of NYPD cars in that
Speaker 4: in that Spider versus crazy.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I was watching Zootopia with my kids recently, like that
Speaker 1: is wild copaganda. Just yeah, like the protagonist just all
Speaker 1: she wants to do for her whole life is be
Speaker 1: a cop, even though people don't think she can be
Speaker 1: because she's too small.
Speaker 2: And then she yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean it's just like every eighties crime movie, like
Speaker 1: partners with like a wily criminal and then they like
Speaker 1: kind of you know, figures it out. But like Zootopia,
Speaker 1: I would I wouldn't have even really thought about it
Speaker 1: that much until you watch it. Paw Patrol we've talked
Speaker 1: about on the show. Absolutely capaganda the worst.
Speaker 4: Those those to me, those kinds of shows and stuff
Speaker 4: are the worst because especially when people like the Cara like,
Speaker 4: people will think it's not topaganda if they like a
Speaker 4: car or something, if they like it, right, That's the
Speaker 4: thing with Spider Man. I'm like, that's what makes it bad.
Speaker 4: Like all the other things bad copaganda, is that it's
Speaker 4: effective that all the other things you like about it.
Speaker 4: This animation is amazing that they gave you a black kid.
Speaker 4: You know, it's not lost upon me that they gave
Speaker 4: you a black Spider Man. And they said his dog,
Speaker 4: his daddy's gonna be NYBD, his best friend's daddy gonna
Speaker 4: be NYBD.
Speaker 3: We gonna have invite, Like that's what it is.
Speaker 4: And so yeah, those men are more harmful than even
Speaker 4: the cop shows. It's when you think you're not watching copaganda,
Speaker 4: because at least you could go into a cop show,
Speaker 4: which you're like Antenna's up. But if you think you're
Speaker 4: gonna go watch your cartoon, you're gonna go watch Lucifer
Speaker 4: and all these things, and they find a way to be.
Speaker 3: Cops, shoots, even charmed.
Speaker 4: Why are the witches, Why are fucking witches and wizards
Speaker 4: working with the police. Why do they need the police assistance?
Speaker 4: They are working with the police. They had they had
Speaker 4: what's her name, pru was in a relationship with a cop.
Speaker 2: Wow, you know, just for her safety, I guess, or
Speaker 2: not safety. It's very hard to tell. The one thing too,
Speaker 2: about Miles Morales, that character, his dad's name is Jefferson Davis.
Speaker 2: You're like the president of the Confederacy. It's just a coincidence, man,
Speaker 2: his dad Davis. Like, let's also throw that in there
Speaker 2: for our history, buffs. But like I think also too,
Speaker 2: like I think about like New York Undercover. I think
Speaker 2: that's when the Dick Wolfe's most underrated contributions to copaganda
Speaker 2: like the and for the entire genre, because he took
Speaker 2: two detectives of color and put it's like, hey, for
Speaker 2: the hip hop generation, look at this, we got we
Speaker 2: got the we got it like a Latino detective, a
Speaker 2: black detective, and we will even cast rappers in the show,
Speaker 2: you know. And I remember that disarmed. That was so
Speaker 2: disarming for me because I was like, oh shit, like
Speaker 2: this rappers and they're okay, cool, this is cool.
Speaker 1: Oh what are they trying to do?
Speaker 2: You know what?
Speaker 1: You know?
Speaker 2: Because like now kids that were like raised on here
Speaker 2: in NWA and fuck the police or public enemy are like, well,
Speaker 2: you know, Detective Williams and Detective Torre is like they
Speaker 2: all right though.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's how it works in real life, right, Like
Speaker 3: that media media is replicating a strategy that they use
Speaker 3: in our politics in real life. That's why Eric Adams
Speaker 3: is a cop, right, The mayor in New York City
Speaker 3: is a cop, the biggest cop, the lover of NYPD.
Speaker 4: But that's what makes him so dangerous is because they're
Speaker 4: able to advertise him. He calls himself, he calls himself
Speaker 4: the hip hop Mayor. He brings a bunch of rappers around,
Speaker 4: even though he actively criminalizes hip hop music like declaire
Speaker 4: the war, Declaire war on drill music and rap music
Speaker 4: like days after he took office.
Speaker 3: But people aren't That's not what they're hearing.
Speaker 4: What they're getting presented to them is a black guy
Speaker 4: putting on airings telling them you know, yeah, and that's
Speaker 4: why it's.
Speaker 2: Bad, right, And he's like, Hey, I'm at the after parties,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. You see me in the
Speaker 2: background celebrating to launch of this new Chase credit card.
Speaker 4: You're like, because it allows people, it affords people of protection, right,
Speaker 4: Because then people get to say, oh, it can't be racist,
Speaker 4: or it can't be a problematic or whatever has you
Speaker 4: because you have this diverse, this marginalized persons as the
Speaker 4: avatar for it, when in reality, that's the whole thing
Speaker 4: with systemic systemic institution. Once you put you diversify a
Speaker 4: systemically racist institution, what happens is those diverse members have
Speaker 4: to go even harder about punishing theirrow when people to
Speaker 4: prove themselves to that system.
Speaker 2: And then ah, yeah, I.
Speaker 1: Mean that point about hit like Dick Wolf taking like
Speaker 1: putting rappers in his show, Iced Tea, who was like,
Speaker 1: when I was a kid, was at the center of
Speaker 1: a controversy about like having a song about killing cops
Speaker 1: and then the thing he's mainly known for now is
Speaker 1: playing a cop on TV.
Speaker 3: And his politics have moved that way too, right, But like, yeah.
Speaker 1: It's just capitalism is so insidious like that. You know,
Speaker 1: we talk about capitalism being the singularity that everybody was
Speaker 1: afraid of, where it's like it gets smarter and more
Speaker 1: advanced than any single human mind can conceive of. Like
Speaker 1: that's just if you if you had a million years
Speaker 1: to map out. Okay, So how are we going to
Speaker 1: deal with this swelling from like actual people who are struggling,
Speaker 1: who don't have enough to eat and who are living
Speaker 1: victimized by police and creating this music that really connects
Speaker 1: with people. Like the idea of like taking them and
Speaker 1: putting them in the most powerful copaganda like is so insidious,
Speaker 1: But it's not. It's not a thing that like any
Speaker 1: one mastermind had to come up with. It's just like
Speaker 1: the forces of capitalism and the media just like kind
Speaker 1: of put that shit together, you.
Speaker 3: Know exactly, And it's funy.
Speaker 4: You should bring up Iced Tea because it was Iced
Speaker 4: Tea that actually declared Eric Adams the hip hop mayor
Speaker 4: of New York City.
Speaker 3: I mean it's my first episode on my show.
Speaker 2: I think a lot of people like because we've talked
Speaker 2: about on the show, we've had you while, we've had
Speaker 2: we've you know, had alec Errick Sanas on and talking
Speaker 2: about these issues. I think a lot of people are
Speaker 2: pretty well like they they're able to recognize like the
Speaker 2: cop of the copaganda element pretty well. But another thing
Speaker 2: that I hear you talk about in many others is
Speaker 2: not it's not just the cop part, it's also the
Speaker 2: law proganda as well.
Speaker 4: Yeah, like kapaganda isn't just about when people hear it,
Speaker 4: they think of it as just police, but it's what
Speaker 4: it is. Copaganda refers to anyway like the media tries
Speaker 4: to feed you or indocrinate you into supporting policing or
Speaker 4: or prisons in policing, that's what it is. Anything that
Speaker 4: essentially essentially reiterates a cops narrative, what a cop would
Speaker 4: want you to think about of a situation. So it's
Speaker 4: like they want People will say, they're like, you'll tell
Speaker 4: them law an artists kind of copaganda, and they'll act
Speaker 4: like it's not because it shows Stabler doing legal things,
Speaker 4: and it's like, that's the fucking point. You love Stabler,
Speaker 4: It should you you spin it gives it feeds you
Speaker 4: a show where you love him, you watch him, you
Speaker 4: you recognize why this character does this, and you see
Speaker 4: it as necessary or you come to to see it
Speaker 4: as normal. There's a reason why if you watch, if
Speaker 4: you watch shows all the time, you're you're in law
Speaker 4: and order.
Speaker 3: Is is the influences, uh, cannot be understated.
Speaker 4: But so if you take a law and order, if
Speaker 4: you watch for for years, it become a normal part
Speaker 4: of policing. That the police you love, who you believe
Speaker 4: are just the are trying, they want to do the
Speaker 4: right thing, and their intentions are so good, and you
Speaker 4: watch them regularly be aggressive or beat up people as
Speaker 4: a real Why police brutality is the narrative of police
Speaker 4: brutality is only ever when someone dies, but never just
Speaker 4: the regular aggression and abuse that we see as a
Speaker 4: regular part of policing.
Speaker 3: No one thinks anything about you.
Speaker 4: You see police roughing people up, and you don't think
Speaker 4: of that as brutality or illicit. You think of that
Speaker 4: as that's policing, and that's normal to you, right, Yeah, can.
Speaker 2: You talk to just a little bit too, because I
Speaker 2: think the one part that I wasn't always wrapping my
Speaker 2: head around was how like the prosecution element of it
Speaker 2: works because while the police are the people on the
Speaker 2: street this harmful system, it continues through the actual like
Speaker 2: judicial system and things like that. And I think that's
Speaker 2: another part that like when you watch a law and order,
Speaker 2: you're like, oh, okay, so like they get mad when
Speaker 2: like they take a plea deal. They're like, oh, he
Speaker 2: got away because like he pled out. It's like, oh,
Speaker 2: it's a loophole that these people are are like you know,
Speaker 2: at being able to abuse or whatever.
Speaker 3: But came out.
Speaker 4: Prosecutors love plea deals more than anybody else. Like they're
Speaker 4: the ones, like they they want plea deal. They're the
Speaker 4: ones they weaponize plea deals and cash bail in order
Speaker 4: to get convictions that they otherwise would and get.
Speaker 3: They're the ones that do that.
Speaker 4: So whatever, what often happens in the criminal system is
Speaker 4: police someone someone will be arrested, take for example, like
Speaker 4: a homeless person or someone with mental health issues who
Speaker 4: has a long rap sheet, because that's what the media
Speaker 4: likes to sensationalize what happens.
Speaker 3: How they end up with that long rap sheet.
Speaker 4: Is say they'll arrest somebody for something, something petty that
Speaker 4: shouldn't even be criminal or whatever. They'll arrest a homeless
Speaker 4: person because they can. And then what will happen even
Speaker 4: though this case would if this, if this were a
Speaker 4: case against me or you, the case would end up
Speaker 4: being thrown out or resolve some other way. Would not
Speaker 4: end in a criminal conviction under any circumstances. But what
Speaker 4: they'll say to the homeless person or the person with
Speaker 4: mental health issues, or someone who they know don't have
Speaker 4: any resources.
Speaker 3: They'll say, plead to the charge.
Speaker 4: You can plead to the charge and be released now,
Speaker 4: or we'll set cash bail on you and you have
Speaker 4: to go to Rikers while this case is open, you know,
Speaker 4: So someone wanting to go to Rikers for e period
Speaker 4: of time, they will plead to the charge, so they'll
Speaker 4: take the and then that keeps happening, and now they
Speaker 4: have this long criminal sheet that could be weaponized against them.
Speaker 4: But what happens with a coppaghandam when it comes to
Speaker 4: prosecutors is first of all, a thing a miracle of
Speaker 4: to do.
Speaker 3: In general is America likes to discard parts. So it
Speaker 3: can preserve the whole. It will Curtis America, will allow
Speaker 3: you to criticize police, or it will feed you a
Speaker 3: narrative about private prison so that you don't criticize prisons
Speaker 3: in general overall, or you don't criticize the criminal system overall.
Speaker 3: So police or who the narrative gets rested on, you know,
Speaker 3: they never let it get past police. So people go, oh,
Speaker 3: police are bad, Police do this, Police do these things,
Speaker 3: but they never recognize that it's the prosecutors who have
Speaker 3: to carry that out right. So and also how copaganda
Speaker 3: I think really is really really probably one of the
Speaker 3: most harmful things it does is it encourages people to
Speaker 3: talk to the police throughout across all mediums of copaganda,
Speaker 3: all the different top shows or shows that are not
Speaker 3: even about cops, and they just happen to have that
Speaker 3: kind of scene it they always have where people are
Speaker 3: faced with the stillm of talking to the police. Talking
Speaker 3: to the police, they're negotiating with the police about their case.
Speaker 3: In real life, the police don't have shit to do
Speaker 3: but your case. Police make the arrest, and then you're
Speaker 3: dealing with a prosecutor and a criminal system. The police
Speaker 3: will just be witnesses. At most in the case, they
Speaker 3: have nothing to do with what would deal you end
Speaker 3: up with or what you even get charged with.
Speaker 2: But the shows are always like, hey, man, you talk
Speaker 2: to me, you know you come you come clean to me.
Speaker 2: I'll make sure, I'll make sure this isn't messy for you,
Speaker 2: just for a lawyer, and right well, and also you
Speaker 2: also fed this thing too, Like if you watch shows
Speaker 2: like Dateline and stuff that are about like you know,
Speaker 2: like murder cases and things like that, the detective will
Speaker 2: always be like, the second they asked for a lawyer,
Speaker 2: I knew they were guilty, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: And it also feeds this thing to to sort of like,
Speaker 2: you know, create the subtext that like actually exercising your
Speaker 2: rights makes you more suspicious and maybe you are actually
Speaker 2: because why wouldn't all the or all the true crime.
Speaker 3: And you know what I think is so funny.
Speaker 4: Every every true crime you go and watch is about
Speaker 4: some case where the police fail to do ship right,
Speaker 4: like every single one. And that's somehow, yes, but they
Speaker 4: will somehow and what is very obviously policing failure. The
Speaker 4: whole thing is about policing failure. The argument will be
Speaker 4: how the police like they their arms were tied by
Speaker 4: some bullshit that their arms were not tied by by
Speaker 4: Oh they didn't have this, they didn't have that, and
Speaker 4: it will become this like indictment of the defense. So
Speaker 4: people have been rights so or blah blah blah, rather
Speaker 4: than the fact that the fucking police don't do shit right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, the law and order thing is so insidious,
Speaker 1: like you just you don't get to follow a single
Speaker 1: criminal prosecution anywhere else, like from arrest through trial, and
Speaker 1: like it really feels like, you know, the thing we
Speaker 1: know about Hollywood is like they they like an underdog story.
Speaker 1: There's this massive like machine that is swallowing up innocent
Speaker 1: people and just making them disappear from their everyday lives.
Speaker 1: And we never really see like how that machine actually works.
Speaker 4: It's just Yeah, A big, a big aspect of copaganda
Speaker 4: that doesn't get talked about in all these shows is
Speaker 4: the investigation because in real life there is none, Like,
Speaker 4: there is none, There is no fucking investigation. All these
Speaker 4: shows show you police just fucking beating their heads in
Speaker 4: trying to get to the bottom of something. Police don't
Speaker 4: solve no fucking crime. What happens in real life. Is
Speaker 4: someone accused of something of something, the police arrests them
Speaker 4: and what they knew at raiments is the case with
Speaker 4: the information you got, Like, they don't go trying to
Speaker 4: figure something out. No one is on a quest to
Speaker 4: get to the bottom of it. Also, another thing calapaganda
Speaker 4: does is it makes defense. It reinforces this idea that
Speaker 4: the only people who are deserving of representation or can
Speaker 4: be victims in a criminal system, or who are innocent
Speaker 4: or what have you, right, because they'll always have defense attorneys.
Speaker 4: They'll paint defense attorneys is these people who believe their
Speaker 4: clients are innocent or who are either stumb who know
Speaker 4: that they're representing these bad, terrible, evil people they're getting
Speaker 4: out and they're rich for doing it, or they're naive
Speaker 4: and think that they're innocent and they're on a quest
Speaker 4: to find out that their client is innocent, to confirm
Speaker 4: that their client is innocent or otherwise they can represent them.
Speaker 3: I just watched Tyler Perry s a movie. Oh Jesus,
Speaker 3: Tyler Perry.
Speaker 4: I just watched Tyler Perry move just the other night
Speaker 4: where he had it where this defense attorney is supposed
Speaker 4: to be representing this guy accused the murder, and all
Speaker 4: she's spending her time trying to do is trying to
Speaker 4: like undermine the story, trying to find out whether or
Speaker 4: not he's he's innocent, and then once she thinks he's guilty,
Speaker 4: she quits, What the fuck?
Speaker 3: That don't have nothing to do with the pras of
Speaker 3: Tea in China, like you have to represent him? Like
Speaker 3: what are we doing like that?
Speaker 4: That has nothing to do with nothing, but that's how
Speaker 4: it paints it to you. So the defense are automatically
Speaker 4: made up to be bad people on the side of
Speaker 4: bad or otherwise, if they weren't on the side of bad,
Speaker 4: if they would, if these were people who deserved they
Speaker 4: would be washing their hands in this case, or they
Speaker 4: would what they love to do in copaganda's have a
Speaker 4: defense attorney quit and become a prosecutor.
Speaker 1: They love that.
Speaker 2: But that's say the light after this.
Speaker 4: They did that in Lucifer, they actually had they and
Speaker 4: Lucifer a show about the devil, about Satan.
Speaker 3: Satan.
Speaker 4: They have Satan himself come to earth and the only
Speaker 4: way for Satan to reconcile himself with God is to
Speaker 4: work with Lapd and the worst person he in contact
Speaker 4: with they say, is the defense attorney who in order
Speaker 4: for her to make it to heaven, she had to
Speaker 4: become a prosecutor.
Speaker 1: Is that real?
Speaker 3: That's what the fuck happened in that show.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 4: Imagine you're me thinking you're gonna go and watch a nice,
Speaker 4: wholesome show about the devil and you get nothing but copaganda.
Speaker 4: It's like wow.
Speaker 2: Even here, it's like, well, why are the lapd the
Speaker 2: arbiters of who gets into okay whatever?
Speaker 4: All the fucking lapd in the show a corrupt they have,
Speaker 4: like really like corrupt, But somehow that's not the problem
Speaker 4: they had, Like the wife of the man cop that
Speaker 4: he works with, the husband of the man cop that
Speaker 4: he works with, ex husband is a whole crooked cop
Speaker 4: doing all kinds of shit, and they have his real
Speaker 4: moral dilemma to be Like when he's dating the prosecutor,
Speaker 4: I say, ain't this a bout a bitch?
Speaker 2: Right? It's it's just wild, like how the effects of
Speaker 2: the the you know, obviously copaganda helps is like pr
Speaker 2: for the legal system and police and things like that,
Speaker 2: and help support like the biggest myths we have, Like
Speaker 2: so you know, it's completely just Dad's our ability to
Speaker 2: think critically because if you go like like, I wonder, man,
Speaker 2: are police are they a threat to marginalize communities? You're like, no, no, no, man,
Speaker 2: because I've seen TV and most of them are just
Speaker 2: good and you know some of them are just going
Speaker 2: through stuff like the characters on the shows, or what
Speaker 2: if can they do like more with less money. It's like, well, no,
Speaker 2: absolutely not, because they're the only thing that keeps us
Speaker 2: in our society from fully devolving into the purge. And
Speaker 2: then on the other side too, it completely we have
Speaker 2: no idea actually how the legal system works, so if
Speaker 2: you actually begin to interact with it, you're like, well,
Speaker 2: based on what I've seen, I don't I don't know
Speaker 2: if I have rights or maybe I should talk to
Speaker 2: the police, or do I go to trial? Because you
Speaker 2: don't you also don't see the part about how coercive,
Speaker 2: like the whole plea deal thing is in real life,
Speaker 2: where they're like, hey, man, if you actually look if
Speaker 2: you go to trial, like you're looking at twenty five
Speaker 2: to life, but or they make it feel like.
Speaker 4: That's what good aggressive policing is, right like when Stabler
Speaker 4: and these people are blowing down on these people and
Speaker 4: being real aggressive and confrontationalless to those on the shows,
Speaker 4: they act like that's what's needed, That's that's what tough
Speaker 4: on crime is, right, Like tough on crime as a
Speaker 4: whole concept. Law and order, which Republicans speak all the
Speaker 4: time long art, is an actual term they use twenty
Speaker 4: four to seven. So it's like a coincidence, like what
Speaker 4: law and order is and what that is, Like it's
Speaker 4: a it's a direct correlation.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And just going back to the true crime point,
Speaker 1: like we find you find out these staggering lapses and
Speaker 1: police werek Like we talked about that serial killer in
Speaker 1: Long Island who was on the loose for like a decade,
Speaker 1: and they had a description of his like extremely rare
Speaker 1: car from like one of his first crimes, and it
Speaker 1: was like he lived like blocks away from it, and
Speaker 1: they like knew this a whole time. They just like
Speaker 1: didn't chase it down. Like it's just they don't because
Speaker 1: it was a while. Yeah, they don't give a fuck.
Speaker 3: They don't, like they literally don't give a fuck.
Speaker 4: Like it's funny, like people who so believe in policing
Speaker 4: and believe police solve crime don't be to people who
Speaker 4: have experienced having to try to you ask the police
Speaker 4: to solve a fucking crime like you've obviously never called
Speaker 4: the beliefs if you believe that they solve shit, like
Speaker 4: you know what happened. So when I when I a
Speaker 4: year ago, my TV got stolen, right, I ordered a
Speaker 4: new TV and I left it in the hallway, right.
Speaker 4: And I left it in the hallway because I was like, oh,
Speaker 4: I my guys come in and mounted in the morning.
Speaker 4: I don't feel like carrying it up the stairs. Wrong decision.
Speaker 4: The minute I left to go to the gym. Clearly
Speaker 4: some girl who live in my building told her boyfriend
Speaker 4: to come jack this TV. It's very clear to me
Speaker 4: that this was happened. And I know this because I
Speaker 4: have proof.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 4: Anyhow, I'm not the ops and I'm a defense attorney,
Speaker 4: so I have no interest whatever you lost a TV like,
Speaker 4: they took to tv Amazon and replaced that. For me,
Speaker 4: I have no interest in getting I don't care nothing
Speaker 4: about nothing. But what I think is interesting is that
Speaker 4: even if I did want them to go to jail,
Speaker 4: let me take you out. The police don't give a
Speaker 4: fuck about nothing. Right Because Amazon, I go to Amazon
Speaker 4: to put in that I need a new TV. Because
Speaker 4: my TV was shacked. Amazon goes, oh, you'd have to
Speaker 4: you have watch out the police state works, right. Amazon goes,
Speaker 4: you have to file a police report in order to
Speaker 4: get the for us to give you a replacement. Right,
Speaker 4: so you gotta call the police. My landlord, I tell
Speaker 4: my landlord my TV was stolen. My landlord goes and
Speaker 4: gets the security footage and shows me the.
Speaker 3: Guys stealing my TV. Like, oh, seamless too.
Speaker 4: It was excellent. I couldn't even mean I was excellent.
Speaker 4: It was very clear they had their eyes on that
Speaker 4: TV all day. The minute I left that building, someone
Speaker 4: texted them.
Speaker 3: They buzzed.
Speaker 4: They came in with their face masks, COVID protection. They
Speaker 4: came in with their face masks, and they literally they
Speaker 4: picked up the TV. Like walk right out the door.
Speaker 4: You can see them. You can fully see the people.
Speaker 4: The polices ain't even ask.
Speaker 3: They don't give a fuck.
Speaker 4: They were like, they know I have a video. They
Speaker 4: were like, yeah, so anyway, that's what you needed, right something,
Speaker 4: didn't ask, didn't didn't get the video. They were like, real,
Speaker 4: right that you had a video, didn't look at it,
Speaker 4: didn't look at it, didn't ask me to be sent nothing.
Speaker 4: The other day, there were two little girls. I was
Speaker 4: walking in my neighborhood and there were two little girls running,
Speaker 4: a seven year old and a four year old running
Speaker 4: through the street, and I'm like, what the fuck, where
Speaker 4: are their parents and stuff? So and then I see
Speaker 4: them run to this white lady, and me and this
Speaker 4: white lady end up going on and spending the quest
Speaker 4: the rest of the evening trying to find where these
Speaker 4: little girls came from. Right, one is seven and one
Speaker 4: is four. The seven year old's bad ass was in
Speaker 4: on it. The seven year old snuck them out of
Speaker 4: the Like when when the people at the day care,
Speaker 4: and I'd figured her out at the daycare, turned their back.
Speaker 4: She took the little four year old and she went running.
Speaker 4: She wanted to go to her little friend's house, and
Speaker 4: she don't know where she's going. She is seven, but
Speaker 4: she's not trying to go back, so she won't help us,
Speaker 4: So she's like actively leading us in the wrong direction.
Speaker 4: Spend hours a little four year olds who didn't anyway.
Speaker 4: When I finally get these little girls back to back
Speaker 4: to the house as the police are coming outside to us,
Speaker 4: they're fen police inside the house just looking at these
Speaker 4: people for hours, like I don't know where the kids
Speaker 4: is or whatever, hadn't gone searching around the neighborhood. Nothing right,
Speaker 4: I returned to kids. They did not even They didn't
Speaker 4: take my name, they didn't talk to me. They didn't
Speaker 4: make it not a statement, not a check for how
Speaker 4: the fuck did they know? I didn't snap the I
Speaker 4: didn't like take those little girls. They didn't know that
Speaker 4: anyway they'd come from, if something had happened to them,
Speaker 4: how they know?
Speaker 3: They don't know that, but they ain't.
Speaker 2: Check because they shit, Yeah, it could be a lot
Speaker 2: of work if we have to look into this. So
Speaker 2: I'm just gonna say, yeah, cool, thanks, I promise you.
Speaker 4: Literally I had to like volunteer, like like trying to
Speaker 4: tell them like, hey, this is what happened.
Speaker 2: Is weird.
Speaker 4: This one was that I did not give them.
Speaker 3: It was just looking. They'd been in the house for hours,
Speaker 3: just looking at them. Mothers cry like just like this.
Speaker 4: They weren't even like outside, like they weren't controlling the
Speaker 4: neighborhood or anything.
Speaker 3: They were just more and I'm coming just looking house
Speaker 3: like I don't know where the kids are?
Speaker 2: Got some more of this food?
Speaker 3: Like we were walking around the same neighborhood in broad
Speaker 3: day like to like falling.
Speaker 1: All right, let's uh, let's take a quick break. We'll
Speaker 1: come back and talk about some more of how this
Speaker 1: ship works. We'll be right back, and we're back. And
Speaker 1: one thing that we like to talk about on the
Speaker 1: show is just like selection bias, like where you just
Speaker 1: see when they suddenly start reporting every instance of shopping lifting,
Speaker 1: even though shoplifting is like going down broadly across the country,
Speaker 1: it's going to seem to people like, oh my god, yeah,
Speaker 1: poor poor people are out of control.
Speaker 4: They and you know, it's funny that was all debunked,
Speaker 4: like they spent all the twenty twenty and twenty twenty
Speaker 4: one doing all of that, all the own rise in shoplifting,
Speaker 4: rise in shoplifting, and when they finally put out all
Speaker 4: their articles, oh because like I think it was Walgreens
Speaker 4: that admitted that they had overblown these figures and all
Speaker 4: this different stuff. But even regardless, not only is it
Speaker 4: a lie, like a lot of like this colropaganda is
Speaker 4: just lying. It's just literally lying to create mass hysteria
Speaker 4: so people feel like there's a lot of crimes, so
Speaker 4: people feel unsafe regardless of what the actuality is. But
Speaker 4: even if it wasn't, let's say it wasn't. Let's say
Speaker 4: it was a bunch of people's shoplifting. How what Let's
Speaker 4: ask why, Like they are in a global pandemic. If
Speaker 4: there was a fucking pandemic, people lost their jobs, places
Speaker 4: closed down, all of this and the next thing America.
Speaker 4: Most Americans that are actually that are in debt are
Speaker 4: in medical debt in this country. So imagine a global
Speaker 4: pandemic the mind with a country of people who don't
Speaker 4: have healthcare and in medical debt and losing their job,
Speaker 4: might there be a reason they would shoplift?
Speaker 2: Right right? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, no, no, we don't survival
Speaker 2: crime that look, no, no, no, these people are out
Speaker 2: of control. And that's why I look, we need the police,
Speaker 2: need tank money, they need.
Speaker 4: They need drones, they need robot dogs, and they need
Speaker 4: robots in the National Guard in the subways.
Speaker 2: Right exactly. Yeah.
Speaker 1: But and in America, obviously property crime. You want to
Speaker 1: see like what that things aren't adding up in the
Speaker 1: American consciousness, Like the way that they Americans respond to
Speaker 1: property crime as opposed to you know, physical endangerment of
Speaker 1: people or physical harm to people. Is you know, it's
Speaker 1: I think there's like a dissonance where the American mind
Speaker 1: conflates spiritual value for people having more stuff and so
Speaker 1: like that, you know, shoplifting specifically gets at that and
Speaker 1: like causes them to like short wire.
Speaker 4: You know, it's this idea that the haves like, they
Speaker 4: have an idea but the haves and the have nots,
Speaker 4: and it's that the haves deserve to have they have
Speaker 4: because it's what they're deserving, and the have nots don't deserve,
Speaker 4: and that's why I don't have it. So who the
Speaker 4: fuck are these undeserving have nots to take my hard
Speaker 4: earned deserve shit, which is usually shit that they do
Speaker 4: not have, because it's usually the have nots like loudly
Speaker 4: defending the halves because they believe that they could one
Speaker 4: day have and they rather relate to the potential of
Speaker 4: being the halves than their reality, which is that their
Speaker 4: the have nots.
Speaker 3: Is this rough?
Speaker 1: Yeah. The other place we see selection bias is just
Speaker 1: like you know, well, with scripted TV, like we're only
Speaker 1: seeing even though it's much more common for underprivileged people
Speaker 1: to be kind of pulled into this massive machine and
Speaker 1: like just unfairly removed from their lives, from the lives
Speaker 1: of their loved ones, a true underdog tail that is
Speaker 1: supposedly what like TV and movies like that, we we
Speaker 1: don't get those stories. We just get stories of Yeah, Miles,
Speaker 1: like you said that, the police are humanized like if
Speaker 1: they if they fuck up, it's because they're having a
Speaker 1: bad day. That's who we learn to make excuses for.
Speaker 2: There's never one where it's like, oh I could I
Speaker 2: could understand why this person who is completely even marginalized
Speaker 2: by society has like has a different set of financial
Speaker 2: recourses available to them. For other people, it's more like.
Speaker 4: And even even though they choose to try to highlight
Speaker 4: it a kind of crimes, right like think about it.
Speaker 4: The most popular law and order is law and order.
Speaker 4: Ask for you, like, there's a reason for that, right
Speaker 4: Like sexually sexually heinous crimes. Anybody who's ever been the
Speaker 4: victim of sexual any kind of sexual crime, be the
Speaker 4: first person and tell you that that's the that's the
Speaker 4: thing the criminal system gives the least of a fuck about.
Speaker 4: That's the first thing the police are going to tell
Speaker 4: you to get out their face for it. They don't
Speaker 4: probably like those are are are widely, under under prosecuted,
Speaker 4: under dealt with all these different things by comparison to
Speaker 4: other things, and they make up the minority of what's
Speaker 4: in the criminal system. You could represent a thousand people
Speaker 4: and never have a sex crime, but you wouldn't know
Speaker 4: that if you have law and order asked for you.
Speaker 3: And all these kinds of shows.
Speaker 4: Laurnata wouldn't be so popular if that every episode was
Speaker 4: based on what is the everyday case.
Speaker 3: In the criminal system. If it was just an episode
Speaker 3: like some kid.
Speaker 4: Was yelling at his mom and his mom called the
Speaker 4: police for the police to talk to him, and they
Speaker 4: arrested him and said an issue to order protection out
Speaker 4: in court. Or some family was fighting, or some neighbor
Speaker 4: or you banged on your neighbor's door and now they
Speaker 4: called the police and they charged you with criminal mischief.
Speaker 4: Like that's the kind of thing that's actually happening every
Speaker 4: day in New York's legal system. And I think that's
Speaker 4: the thing that crimes my care about lawen Arder and
Speaker 4: specific is I work in New York, so I'm like,
Speaker 4: I know this.
Speaker 3: Is very this is not a condoms that didn't work
Speaker 3: in this city. Is like, it's a criminal journey.
Speaker 4: That's not what's in the system at all, and from
Speaker 4: either level, Like when I was in law school, I
Speaker 4: interned at the DA's office just to fucking see.
Speaker 3: Just confirm what I already know. So I'm like, you
Speaker 3: ain't gonna tell me no.
Speaker 2: Different, right, Yeah. And it's interesting too because like, yeah,
Speaker 2: you're not gonna see in these shows, they're never gonna
Speaker 2: be like, hey, you know, actually felling these crimes down,
Speaker 2: and it's been down on a continuum. But it's like,
Speaker 2: to your point, but misdemeanors have gone way up, and
Speaker 2: is that like just sort of a way like is
Speaker 2: that just sort of a response in like from policing
Speaker 2: to be like, well, people got it, Like we need
Speaker 2: to touch more people.
Speaker 4: So I guess the vast majority of what's in the
Speaker 4: criminal system are misdemeanors and like traffic offenses and non
Speaker 4: violent you know, in fractions and things like that. That's
Speaker 4: what that's what is the majority of what's in the
Speaker 4: system in the first place, they're not the majority of
Speaker 4: things aren't felonies. And even if you look at a
Speaker 4: place like New York City of what our felony is,
Speaker 4: because which is way less than everything else it's a
Speaker 4: very tiny portion. Most of those don't plead out or
Speaker 4: get resolved as felonius. So that's it's literally the least
Speaker 4: violent crime and feloniese and make up the least portion
Speaker 4: of crime. But you would not know that if you
Speaker 4: let the media sell it.
Speaker 1: Right right, Yeah, like you'd think that's all that's happening
Speaker 1: all the time, for sure. Yeah, it's the selection. Like
Speaker 1: it's not that they're making up crimes that don't happen.
Speaker 1: They're just showing you the most violent ones and making
Speaker 1: it seem like that is all you know. They don't
Speaker 1: they don't have to lie. They just have to zoom
Speaker 1: in on a very rare thing and make it seem like,
Speaker 1: oh that this this shit happens all the time, and
Speaker 1: they build a world where everybody's scared and willing to
Speaker 1: give money, unlimited money to the police.
Speaker 3: What you see most in the criminal system are everyday
Speaker 3: situations either being made criminal, either by the people themselves,
Speaker 3: by by by by mistake, or or the criminal system
Speaker 3: getting involved. But what often what I see most of
Speaker 3: the time are are people having dispute to one another,
Speaker 3: like they fight with their roommate, they don't like their
Speaker 3: roommate or whatever. So they decide to get into a
Speaker 3: curse out with their room mate, they decide to call
Speaker 3: the police in their roommate and not our roomate, arrest
Speaker 3: somebody and not as order protections and they and a
Speaker 3: whole bind or it's usually things like that.
Speaker 4: It's just like interactions between people. They gotten, they into
Speaker 4: it in the street or whatever have you, or someone
Speaker 4: or someone someone's arguing and the police hear it, so
Speaker 4: they come and they arrest them. More well, just things
Speaker 4: like that, but it's not these sensational Your average case
Speaker 4: is just not something sensational at all.
Speaker 3: It just isn't.
Speaker 4: And even a lot of the times too, what doesn't
Speaker 4: get taughtalked about? The police and copaganda weaponizes victims victims
Speaker 4: stories without ever wanting to actually hear from victims because
Speaker 4: most of the people that you deal with in criminal
Speaker 4: system do not want this resolved that way. The ones
Speaker 4: that are the victims or the complainants are not trying
Speaker 4: to proceed but the case. And when I when I
Speaker 4: worked at the I worked interns for the DA's office
Speaker 4: in law school, what they would do and specifically the
Speaker 4: DV unit, it would be a lot of they would
Speaker 4: charge people, and the complainant, who who is the complainant
Speaker 4: or the victim in the case, is actively there like
Speaker 4: I don't want this case. I don't want a Kim
Speaker 4: criminal case. And a lot of the times the kid
Speaker 4: would be like this is usually somebody they have a
Speaker 4: relationship with.
Speaker 3: In DV.
Speaker 4: They'd be like, I want them to get counseling, or
Speaker 4: I want them to get therapy, or I want them
Speaker 4: to get some other thing. And the court and this
Speaker 4: is how they tricked them. They would tell them, oh,
Speaker 4: we can't do that, we can't do that, and less
Speaker 4: you sign this sign a supportant a position and agree
Speaker 4: to move forward with the case, and that's how we
Speaker 4: all offer them. Meanwhile, that's not what's gonna What they
Speaker 4: want to do is just sign a supportant a position
Speaker 4: so we could tell the court that this case is converted,
Speaker 4: that you've agreed for us to proceed and caned prosecute number.
Speaker 4: That's not with the conversation that they had with the complainant, right, Yeah.
Speaker 1: It feels like overall the big picture dynamic here is
Speaker 1: that they show us the worst case scenario, like our
Speaker 1: copaganda scripted shows show us when a police the police
Speaker 1: are running into a situation, you can damn well guarantee
Speaker 1: that situation is going to be fucked up and it's
Speaker 1: going to put them in danger and like that, even
Speaker 1: though like that's worse than ninety nine percent of the
Speaker 1: situations police are actually running into. And then so it's
Speaker 1: not surprising that when we like when decisions have to
Speaker 1: be made about like how to deal with conflicts, and
Speaker 1: these are like everyday conflicts, just disputes between people we've
Speaker 1: seen before that like these community level actions where it's
Speaker 1: like no, you just have like people who live in
Speaker 1: the neighborhood who are deputized to just go and like
Speaker 1: be a person to these people and like help them.
Speaker 1: That works much better. But because what we're seeing is
Speaker 1: the kapaganda and the worst case scenario, we're responding to
Speaker 1: every situation with the worst case scenario.
Speaker 4: And that's what the community is ask and in real life,
Speaker 4: the communities asks for community response. They asks for violence
Speaker 4: intervention and violence intervention methods, ask for counseling, asks for
Speaker 4: these kinds of things. And what happens is you get
Speaker 4: mayors like Eric Adams who are going to fund the
Speaker 4: community initiatives and put more money into the policing and
Speaker 4: then say and then and then presented to the public
Speaker 4: that already believes as this manufactured consent into this idea
Speaker 4: that policing is the only way to respond to crime,
Speaker 4: and that victims because they're watching nothing but copaganda all day.
Speaker 4: And then they tell them these are what the victims need.
Speaker 4: We care about the victims. These old, big bad advocate
Speaker 4: all these advocates just want people loose. They don't care
Speaker 4: about crime, they don't care about the community, they don't
Speaker 4: live in the community.
Speaker 3: YadA, YadA, YadA. That's what they come up with.
Speaker 1: Yeah, how do you feel about just the state of
Speaker 1: the the state of copaganda and the public's willingness to
Speaker 1: you know, it felt like at some points there were
Speaker 1: strides that were being made in terms of people being
Speaker 1: aware that the police are not an effective way of
Speaker 1: dealing with most communities. But then there's also been this
Speaker 1: mainstream media narrative where like I remember one of Alec
Speaker 1: CARRICKTT Sanus's email newsletters was about the way that random
Speaker 1: quotes get used in copaganda, and like this NPR article
Speaker 1: where they just quote a neighborhood kid being like, uh, yeah, man,
Speaker 1: People are like more willing to carry guns now and
Speaker 1: that's why more people are getting shot. And then defund
Speaker 1: the police, as he puts it. And yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: Alex was pointing out, we never defunded the police. First
Speaker 1: of all, they are at all time highs right now.
Speaker 1: But the way that the like the mainstream narrative came
Speaker 1: down to us was police got defunded and crime went up.
Speaker 3: It's really infuriated. How to get to lie? Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: you just get they get to bold.
Speaker 4: Like. That's the thing that's so infuriating, right is when
Speaker 4: you're when you're an advocated gangst policing and mass incarceration,
Speaker 4: you could be a whole expert, you can be an attorney, you.
Speaker 3: Can be whatever.
Speaker 4: You have to cite every fucking word you say. You
Speaker 4: have to cite every word. Meanwhile, they can just bull
Speaker 4: face lie and even when people even when they are lying,
Speaker 4: just lying and being caught in lies. The best you
Speaker 4: could get people to do is call it misinformation. They
Speaker 4: never call it what it is, which is a just
Speaker 4: lying manufacturing things all the time. But I would say this,
Speaker 4: people have been that's not new, right, like coppaganda. It
Speaker 4: has been when people are fed and indoctrinated to believe
Speaker 4: in so many ways. It's not even just like shows
Speaker 4: and media in terms. At this point, we have generations
Speaker 4: and generations and generations and generations of people that have
Speaker 4: been raised in this world that believes that and has
Speaker 4: to reinforce in so many respects. I mean, just down
Speaker 4: to being a lot kid and you play cops and robbers,
Speaker 4: you know what I mean, It's a regular game who's
Speaker 4: the good, who's the bad?
Speaker 3: Right, Like, That's what it is.
Speaker 4: So when you think about that, in the magnitude of
Speaker 4: the problem and just how deep it goes, I think
Speaker 4: we are the fact that we even have people where
Speaker 4: that are regularly critiquing it at all, that there is
Speaker 4: even a quite the fact that is even a term,
Speaker 4: you know what I mean, that people can embrace, and
Speaker 4: there is a world of there's at least becoming an
Speaker 4: anti like an antithesis to this.
Speaker 3: This true crime propaganda movement is us moving, moving, incredibly,
Speaker 3: moving so much forward. I don't think I don't think
Speaker 3: there's a reason to be deterred, but to feel like
Speaker 3: it's getting worse because I would not expect that from
Speaker 3: twenty twenty to twenty twenty four, in four years that
Speaker 3: we would have undone like one hundred years of being
Speaker 3: you know what I mean fed support the state.
Speaker 1: Sure, yeah, I mean and that just the wild irony
Speaker 1: is that the thing that like in retrospect, the statistical
Speaker 1: analysis of what caused some place that some locations that
Speaker 1: have a spiking crime during the pandemic was the freezing
Speaker 1: of like these community based programs that right were actually
Speaker 1: that are actually effective. That are the thing that like
Speaker 1: if you do a very small spend on those like
Speaker 1: as opposed to the massive number of resources that are
Speaker 1: being demanded by the police for yes, in response to
Speaker 1: people just suggesting that they maybe be funded a little less.
Speaker 4: What I find frustrating for me is that why when
Speaker 4: crime like the whole not only do they manufacture crime
Speaker 4: waves right like they pretend they manufacture them, but less
Speaker 4: pretend it even is true. Why is that not an
Speaker 4: indictment of them. I'll never understand why when crime is up,
Speaker 4: people act like that's that's becomes the plight of people
Speaker 4: like me. Never once, nowhere, ever have they ever enacted
Speaker 4: my policy once. There's no place in America that has said, ah,
Speaker 4: let's defund the police and reinvest in the community.
Speaker 3: Is and make that what we do.
Speaker 4: That's not that's not what they do everywhere. If you're
Speaker 4: looking at a place like New York City, I don't know,
Speaker 4: that's not why it's crime. People who want to at me,
Speaker 4: excuse me. We have the biggest police department in the country.
Speaker 4: There's thirty six thousand and up. They have eleven billion dollars. Okay,
Speaker 4: so if someone's fucking up, it's them, right Yo, what
Speaker 4: are they trying the same thing?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 4: So that's what I wish is I wish that people
Speaker 4: would look at them feeling unsafe. If you feel unsafe
Speaker 4: or you feel like crime is a problem, who is
Speaker 4: that the fault of if not the people that you
Speaker 4: have put in charge of and the methods you've been trying.
Speaker 4: And people will tell you they care so so much
Speaker 4: about crime, but yet all they ever want to do
Speaker 4: is do exactly what they've been doing, because they'll be
Speaker 4: like someontime this to me today, like, oh, all that
Speaker 4: you're saying might be true, but people speak people. People
Speaker 4: are scared. They need something done now. First of all,
Speaker 4: just because you want an overnight solution doesn't mean there.
Speaker 3: Is one crime.
Speaker 4: Crime and crime, poverty and the systemic realities and the
Speaker 4: root causes of crime didn't just happen overnight. They'll these
Speaker 4: things have been being put into place for generations, in
Speaker 4: a long period of time. And the same way you
Speaker 4: were willing to invest, you're willing to keep trying police,
Speaker 4: keep trying to invest in that. You will invest in
Speaker 4: police every year. That's not a problem, and you act
Speaker 4: to you, that's a full proof idea. That is an
Speaker 4: expansive idea. Just give more money to the police. But
Speaker 4: if I say give more money to the community, suddenly
Speaker 4: that's some fucking radical mythical shit, right, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, And there's no and nothing empirically to
Speaker 2: suggest that all this money being spent is actually rendering
Speaker 2: result that's positive.
Speaker 3: Like you look at the way, how many police do
Speaker 3: you need to feel safe?
Speaker 2: Right exactly. And it's funny because any in any other
Speaker 2: dimension of a person's life, the logic is always like
Speaker 2: like if anything is like how much they paying that
Speaker 2: guy to do that terrible job. No, no, no, that's
Speaker 2: not gonna work. Or sports, how much money they play,
Speaker 2: like how much they how much they paying for players?
Speaker 2: How much do they spend on like signing a player?
Speaker 2: And they still suck. No, no, no, something's got to
Speaker 2: work out different. But in this instance, it's just like no.
Speaker 2: I honestly the thinking ends at I don't know, just
Speaker 2: more money, I guess, because it's just so hard to
Speaker 2: be in the shift course away from something like that.
Speaker 2: And it's wild because there's nothing that's showing us that
Speaker 2: with all the money that's being spent, it's not solving anything.
Speaker 2: So what is the counter argument?
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, it's just very like old brain, like pre
Speaker 1: you know, pre advanced brain, thinking of fight or flight,
Speaker 1: and people just going dumb immediately, and then obviously a
Speaker 1: great deal of white supremacy mixed in there. Yes, ye,
Speaker 1: well allow me. I feel like we could talk to
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Speaker 1: What is there anything enjoying?
Speaker 4: I actually I started Avatar or the cartoon for the
Speaker 4: first time. My boyfriends in the Avatar. I started watching Avatar,
Speaker 4: and I see the hype. I see y'all, even though
Speaker 4: I started watching it because people were complain about the
Speaker 4: Avatar show, saying it's too much exposition. But I'm here
Speaker 4: to tell y'all, babies that the cartoon is full of
Speaker 4: exposition and not the best dialogue too, like perhaps your childhood.
Speaker 3: You're remembering this a little bit diferendic because it's a cartoon.
Speaker 1: Win.
Speaker 4: I'm like, oh, the everything is filled with that.
Speaker 3: So yeah, Avatar, Yeah, I liked that.
Speaker 1: I got I got that recommendation during the pandemic. Can
Speaker 1: I spent some of the pandemic watching them? That's good,
Speaker 1: it's good. Miles. Where can people find you as their
Speaker 1: working media you've been enjoying?
Speaker 2: Yeah, followed me at Miles of Gray wherever they serve
Speaker 2: at symbols. If you like basketball, check Jack and I
Speaker 2: out on Miles and Jack on Matt Booth Spois and
Speaker 2: if you like ninety day Fiance, I'm chatting that ship
Speaker 2: over at four to twenty day Fiance.
Speaker 3: You know, like the and you know what's going You
Speaker 3: have the channel for ninety day Fiance. I love ninety Fiance.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you have a podcast called four twenty Day Fiance. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's a good time. It's a good time. So a
Speaker 2: tweet I like. Josh Gondleman at Josh Gondleman tweeted, it's
Speaker 2: fascinating to me how people sometimes roll their eyes at
Speaker 2: impressions as comedy, but impressions as drama consistently wins Oscars.
Speaker 2: Yeah wow, good point. And then also at Cardamom, Kissed
Speaker 2: tweeted she died what she loved walking into the road
Speaker 2: while saying pedestrians have right of way.
Speaker 1: Tweet I've been enjoying. Rob den Blacker tweeted about the
Speaker 1: Oscars Is Oppenheimer Godzilla minus one the first time a
Speaker 1: movie and a sequel both one Oscars in the same
Speaker 1: year or so. It's pretty clever, Pretty clever.
Speaker 4: Rob.
Speaker 1: You can find me on Twitter at Jack Underscore. Obrian
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Speaker 1: off to the information that we talked about in today's episode. Well,
Speaker 1: it's a song that we think you might enjoy, Miles,
Speaker 1: what song do you think people might enjoy?
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a new track out from Fred again, one
Speaker 2: of you know the producers of the year really featuring
Speaker 2: Lil YACHTI and it's called stay in It. One word
Speaker 2: st a y I n it and it's just like
Speaker 2: it just feels like a massive, you know, party jam.
Speaker 2: I have a feeling it's going to be played a
Speaker 2: lot this summer. But just get your just get your energy,
Speaker 2: distract stand Fred again. Yeah, we will link off to
Speaker 2: that in the footnotes.
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Speaker 2: Bye,