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Speaker 1: Hello the Internet, and welcome to Season three, twenty nine,

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Speaker 1: Episode two of Daily Like Ice Day production of iHeart Radio.

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Speaker 1: And it's always fun to do that in a hotel.

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Speaker 2: Room if people don't know what the fuck is going.

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Speaker 1: On, what the fuck the people next door think is happening.

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Speaker 1: This is a podcast where we take a deep dive

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Speaker 1: into America's shared consciousness in case you're wondering what the

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Speaker 1: hell is happening. And it is Tuesday, March twelfth, twenty four,

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Speaker 1: that weekday many shout out till the beginning of March.

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Speaker 2: Shout out my boys Mike and Chris. They have the

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Speaker 2: same birthday today. Also, and if it's your birthday, it's

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Speaker 2: probably everyone's birthday on every day we record potentially, so

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Speaker 2: happy birthday to you if you're four March twelve. Also

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Speaker 2: it's National Working Mom's Day, National Baked Scallops Day, National

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Speaker 2: plant a Flower Day, and National Girl Scout Day.

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Speaker 1: Do you have other friends with birthdays around this time?

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Speaker 1: Because I always say that the thing that makes me

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Speaker 1: believe that there's something to all the astrology shit is that,

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Speaker 1: like my best friends from growing up, Chris and Jose

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Speaker 1: and then my wife are like born within three days

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Speaker 1: of each other. And then there's other people in my

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Speaker 1: life who like had close birthdays close to that time.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: And then like the first four people that started cracked

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Speaker 1: with me were all born like within three days of

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Speaker 1: each other.

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Speaker 2: Oh, I mean I have I mean, I got a

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Speaker 2: lot of Pissy's friends. I got some four po homies.

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Speaker 2: I have some choruses, cancers and cancers in my life.

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Speaker 2: Just okay, I'm not the astrological sign. Just talxic people

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Speaker 2: in my life.

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Speaker 1: Just the worst.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: And then one just passive aggressive ass LEO love here

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Speaker 1: all right. My name is Jack O'Brien AKA. I tried

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Speaker 1: keV Lord to shield my heart, but in the end,

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Speaker 1: my balls were all that mattered. They had the goal

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Speaker 1: to shoot my balls. Bulletproof vest usefulness shattered. That is

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Speaker 1: courtesy of Rezik on the disccord in reference to but

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Speaker 1: we were recently talking about how bulletproof veests seems like

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Speaker 1: it doesn't cover up some of the more important parts

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Speaker 1: of you're heading your downstairs, heading the downtairs downstairs.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I'm thrilled to be joined as always by my co host,

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Speaker 1: mister Miles Grass.

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Speaker 2: This Miles Gray the Blazer's Showgun with no gun. Aka,

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Speaker 2: if you haven't gun problems, if with Befy, you's son,

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Speaker 2: I got ninety nine problems, but a gun ain't one

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Speaker 2: hit me? All right? Shout out to Christy Young Acucci

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Speaker 2: man on the discord. You know with my my father's

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Speaker 2: famous adage, why don't we have a gun in the house?

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Speaker 2: You look, you got a gun. You have gun problems there.

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Speaker 2: It does not for everybody, but sometimes a good explanation

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Speaker 2: for your kids, just to kind of Gucci Mane.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and Miles, we are thrilled to be joined in

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Speaker 1: our third seat by one of our favorite guests, finally

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Speaker 1: back in any expert spot.

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Speaker 2: Fine experts seat.

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Speaker 1: A movement lawyer, political commentator, public defender. You've read her

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Speaker 1: work on places like teen Vogue, Essence, The Nation, Senior

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Speaker 1: Commentary all over the wide Internet. You can and must

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Speaker 1: subscribe to her YouTube channel. Allurinadi please welcome back to

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Speaker 1: the show. It's the brilliant, the talented, a.

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Speaker 2: Lot of me all.

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Speaker 3: Thank you.

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Speaker 4: I love that.

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Speaker 2: Oh, welcome back. Too long, been too long.

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Speaker 3: Listen y'all made me feel like a star. Thank you,

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Speaker 3: thank you. That's what I needed today.

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Speaker 2: I mean you are I mean every time we were like,

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Speaker 2: there's on point commentary on the certain things in the world.

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Speaker 2: Like I definitely always check your Twitter and see what

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Speaker 2: you're saying. So it's always nice to see you, you know,

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Speaker 2: and also just to see how many people are they

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Speaker 2: fuck with you.

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Speaker 3: That makes me feel.

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Speaker 4: My assistant said to me last week, he said, you know,

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Speaker 4: every time something happens in the subways in New York,

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Speaker 4: you seem to be in high to man.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's funny because when we talked about

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Speaker 2: Governor Holkle's plan to fully militarize the subway system, I

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Speaker 2: way I first came into contact, whether it was your

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Speaker 4: I'm happy to hear a professionally hating and hokal and

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Speaker 4: Eric Adams twenty four to seven.

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Speaker 2: The yeah yeah one, Eric Adams.

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Speaker 1: What is how has the Eric Adams administration been treating

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Speaker 1: you of late?

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Speaker 4: Pretty listen, Eric, I'm getting ready to write my second

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Speaker 4: expos on Eric Adams, and I thought I had said

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Speaker 4: when I needed to in my first two hour expos

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Speaker 4: on Eric Adams, but turns out he can just keep

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Speaker 4: getting worse. But it's getting good now because they have

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the news is getting hot for him. I like that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, amazing. So just the gift that keeps on giving,

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Speaker 1: it feels like and taking away in terms of people

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Speaker 1: quality of life, but for people, you know, paying attention,

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Speaker 1: just the entertainingly bafflingly batshit. Yeah all right, Well we're

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Speaker 1: going to get to know you a little bit better

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Speaker 1: right now, you know, later on we're going to talk

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Speaker 1: about copaganda, law and order, all the things that you

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Speaker 1: are so brilliant at breaking down for us, you know,

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Speaker 1: things that I grew up on just that are deep

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Speaker 1: do like to ask our guests, what is something from

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Speaker 1: your search history that's revealing about who you are?

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Speaker 3: Right now?

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Speaker 4: My Google search history is filled with me searching for

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Speaker 4: all Mary Kay Nashley books that I have to buy

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Speaker 4: used because for whatever reason, they're not selling them new anymore.

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Speaker 4: And you know what's crazy, I keep trying to google

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Speaker 4: answers like why has no one else explored why Mary

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Speaker 4: Kay Nashley don't have those available? Like you could buy

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Speaker 4: the damn federalist papers, books that happened before you Like,

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Speaker 4: but I can't get Mary Kay Nashley books new.

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Speaker 3: That's right, that's what I'm searching.

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Speaker 1: Were you raised on Mary Kay Nashalie, Like, are those

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Speaker 4: To understand that if Mary Kay Nashley was on it,

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Speaker 4: I bought it. Okay, I wow all them books?

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Speaker 3: Okay, I love you. I love them.

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Speaker 2: You got the first sedition Brother for sale.

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Speaker 4: I had when I had a bookcase in my room

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Speaker 3: Every time it would be like a book sale at

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Speaker 4: It wasn't like you could just google, oh, here are

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Speaker 3: It's the Adventures of something else. I'm getting that. I

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Speaker 3: loved Urrigay Nationally. I went up for them. Those were

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Speaker 2: I wasn't They were in the grade below me in

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Speaker 1: So, okay, look, why were they out of school? They

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean because they were just like you know,

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Speaker 2: They're just they're fucking working all the time. And then

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Speaker 2: even even when they come to school, they're like, I

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Speaker 2: I just came here to just like see just to

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Speaker 2: maybe see you in like another couple of months.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the brand was real, though, you know. The thing

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Speaker 1: that I always heard was that they had like become

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Speaker 2: Bonaire.

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Speaker 3: I definitely gave them a billion dollars. I'm telling you

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Speaker 3: me alone.

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Speaker 1: But like I didn't know the publishing side of their empire.

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Speaker 1: I knew that they had movies, Like.

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Speaker 4: It's such an underrated part of the empire because it

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Speaker 4: was huge. Every for fuck the movies. Like the movies,

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Speaker 4: the Adventures of American Nashley, and they turned that into a

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Speaker 4: Adventures of America and that. So listen, I grew up

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Speaker 4: in the Bahamas, so understand if I'm telling you, I

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Speaker 3: Community of other little girls giving them all their money

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Speaker 3: on the globe, around the globe.

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Speaker 4: They had it. I had them all every series they

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Speaker 3: No more.

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Speaker 1: Right is boring? I'm bored with this. What was your

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Speaker 1: Was it full house or after them?

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Speaker 4: My mummy so my household, my daddy is Nigerian and

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Speaker 3: So there was no fun and joy in my household.

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Speaker 4: All I was allowed, all I was allowed to do

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Speaker 4: made bye. She'd never buy like video games and let

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Speaker 4: and then I got all them, all those and lemony snickets,

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Speaker 4: the series of Unfortunate Events.

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Speaker 2: I had it all. Yeah. You like, do you have

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Speaker 2: like a book you're chasing right now, like a grail

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Speaker 2: Mary Kate and Ashley booked. You're like, man, you got

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Speaker 4: I have like one hundred Mary Kayen n Ashley used

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Speaker 4: books sitting in my Amazon guard right now.

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Speaker 2: It's ridiculous.

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Speaker 3: Like I'm like, I've told myself.

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Speaker 4: I told my boyfriend I'm buying them for our future

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Speaker 4: children as the investment. That's what I'm justifying it. I

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Speaker 4: will be so upset if my children tell.

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Speaker 3: Me they don't like it.

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Speaker 1: Right, and it's going to rise up like the after

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Speaker 1: the Apocalypse, Like it's going to be the Book of

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Speaker 1: Eli type thing that everybody like uses as the gospel.

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Speaker 3: I'm waiting for them to make a bounce back. I

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Speaker 4: I want them to sell new books, but Mary Kay Nashley, like,

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Speaker 4: I don't even think there's a place to put pressure

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Speaker 1: They just quit us. They were like, yeah, we could

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Speaker 3: I was just basing the money I had. Wait, that

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Speaker 4: And then they have him just kind of like I said, so,

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Speaker 4: You should just you should do that. I'm gonna keep

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Speaker 3: This is a sick, fucking show. I couldn't believe you

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Speaker 4: You wrote this like and don't get me started. Then

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Speaker 4: I have to you know what I have is in

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Speaker 4: And then don't get me started on how every mission, right,

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Speaker 4: She's upset because he there being a misogynist or whatever,

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Speaker 4: was outraged and I was like, Paus.

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Speaker 2: Get this shit off the airwaves.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

443
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Speaker 2: I think it's also like because of the genre mashup,

444
00:19:38,720 --> 00:19:40,560
Speaker 2: it's like people either looked at it to a lens

445
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Speaker 2: of being like a spy thing, which it wasn't, or

446
00:19:43,400 --> 00:19:46,280
Speaker 2: like a rom com, which it or romantic sort of

447
00:19:46,280 --> 00:19:49,359
Speaker 2: a metaphor for like a relationship. But like the mapping

448
00:19:49,400 --> 00:19:51,719
Speaker 2: of the two like definitely too. Like towards the end,

449
00:19:51,720 --> 00:19:54,320
Speaker 2: we're like can you get away with like setting off

450
00:19:54,359 --> 00:19:57,919
Speaker 2: grenades at the fucking Whitney and then getting in a

451
00:19:57,920 --> 00:19:59,760
Speaker 2: full on knife fight at the high Line and then

452
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Speaker 2: be a little like prants your way home and then

453
00:20:01,560 --> 00:20:03,840
Speaker 2: you're like, what legal reality are we.

454
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Speaker 3: Just out like this? Just like this, it's visible. I'm

455
00:20:07,440 --> 00:20:08,360
Speaker 3: just like y'all have to.

456
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Speaker 1: They didn't get captured on a ring cameras after the

457
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Speaker 1: first episode when they like blew up that house and

458
00:20:14,440 --> 00:20:15,760
Speaker 1: where was that like Long Island?

459
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Speaker 4: Also what would and where they were just running through

460
00:20:19,359 --> 00:20:24,639
Speaker 4: the streets queens it was cool, queen openly running. But

461
00:20:24,680 --> 00:20:25,920
Speaker 4: then when they had them like in the middle of

462
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Speaker 4: fucking Union Square, so you this would don't make no sense.

463
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Speaker 4: So they're supposed to be spies off the graded, nobody's

464
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Speaker 4: supposed to see or know them. Again, you give them

465
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Speaker 4: different names, but they live right there in the middle

466
00:20:36,160 --> 00:20:38,640
Speaker 4: of the city to be seen. And this man childish

467
00:20:38,680 --> 00:20:40,639
Speaker 4: can be no so supposed to be off the grid, Heiden,

468
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Speaker 4: it's just chatting it up.

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Speaker 3: What is all fun?

470
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Speaker 2: Funk?

471
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Speaker 4: But he's in the Market Square?

472
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Speaker 3: No, yeah, is this foolishness?

473
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Speaker 4: Foolishness?

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Speaker 1: Maybe all right, we've had that as an underrated before

475
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Speaker 1: and now we got the counterpoint someone was underrated. Yeah yeah,

476
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Speaker 1: I mean I think people, well a lot of people

477
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Speaker 1: like that show.

478
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Speaker 3: And they're wrong for that. I don't I feel like

479
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Speaker 3: people talking.

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Speaker 1: About it badly. All Right, we're going to take a

481
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Speaker 1: quick break and then we're going to come back and

482
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Speaker 1: talk about more movies and shows that are specifically giving

483
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Speaker 1: us the wrong idea about how the criminal justice system

484
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Speaker 1: works in the United States. Will be right back, and

485
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Speaker 1: we're back, and I mean, we we've talked about copaganda.

486
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Speaker 1: It's kind of it's like describing water to a fish

487
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Speaker 1: a little bit. In the United States, especially if you

488
00:21:48,320 --> 00:21:52,040
Speaker 1: grew up in like the eighties and nineties, just so

489
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Speaker 1: many TV shows, so many movies are fucking copaganda. Like

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Speaker 1: the cop like that is like a fault that Oh yeah,

491
00:22:01,600 --> 00:22:03,840
Speaker 1: well the protagon of this is gonna be a cop.

492
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Speaker 1: But Miles, he found a study from twenty twenty.

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Speaker 2: There's a lot of analysis because you know, I think

494
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Speaker 2: in twenty twenty is when people started being like, well,

495
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Speaker 2: what the what the fuck are our shows saying about

496
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Speaker 2: the police. And at that time, you know, the study

497
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Speaker 2: show that like almost nearly twenty percent of scripted TV

498
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Speaker 2: was about cops and that didn't even include shit like

499
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Speaker 2: live PD or cops and not like the reality end

500
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Speaker 2: of the spectrum. And then another subsequent study took like

501
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Speaker 2: study nine of these scripted police shows. They found Wow,

502
00:22:31,040 --> 00:22:33,280
Speaker 2: this and this will blow you away. Those writers' rooms

503
00:22:33,600 --> 00:22:37,639
Speaker 2: zero black people show runners, zero black show runners, and

504
00:22:37,760 --> 00:22:39,680
Speaker 2: the kinds of people that were in those writers' room

505
00:22:39,720 --> 00:22:42,560
Speaker 2: were like posting shit on Twitter about lighting up protesters.

506
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Speaker 2: And then even Dick Wolf or I think it was

507
00:22:44,200 --> 00:22:45,639
Speaker 2: Dick Wolf had to be like, hey man, I'm sorry, Bro,

508
00:22:45,680 --> 00:22:47,359
Speaker 2: you're gonna you're gonna have to fucking bounce on this

509
00:22:47,480 --> 00:22:49,959
Speaker 2: show because you kind of too out there with your

510
00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:53,040
Speaker 2: opinion about how you see people in the streets. But

511
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Speaker 2: hey man, thank you so much for your work completely

512
00:22:55,280 --> 00:22:58,080
Speaker 2: obscuring what police do in our society. So yeah, I mean, like,

513
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Speaker 2: and you just the the menu of s is staggering,

514
00:23:01,880 --> 00:23:04,920
Speaker 2: Like the number of ways you can sort of interact

515
00:23:05,040 --> 00:23:07,159
Speaker 2: or intersect with some kind of narrative where it's like

516
00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:10,880
Speaker 2: and the police, you know, they're just complicated folks doing

517
00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:12,800
Speaker 2: their best, you know, so let's not go too hard

518
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Speaker 2: on them. Let's not go too hard.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and it don't even be just the police show.

520
00:23:16,320 --> 00:23:19,080
Speaker 4: The police shows to me, the ones that are more

521
00:23:19,160 --> 00:23:22,119
Speaker 4: blatantly obvious, like this is a police show, are actually

522
00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:23,680
Speaker 4: easier to deal with because at least I don't have

523
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Speaker 4: to try to convince you why that's copaganda. You could

524
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Speaker 4: see that, but it's baked into all the other things.

525
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Speaker 4: Like I was watching the Chippendale, the Chippendale Rescue Rangers movie,

526
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Speaker 4: which if you first of all, I never even really

527
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Speaker 4: dawned on me. The Chipendales themselves right, like they're little

528
00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:40,480
Speaker 4: police of their woodland, of their woodland world. But in

529
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Speaker 4: the Chippendale live action movie, the whole thing is that

530
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Speaker 4: they're working with their taking on the mission for the

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Speaker 4: police because the police are being held up by all

532
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Speaker 4: these Fourth Amendment protections. They're like, all the police can't

533
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Speaker 4: do the jobs, so the police go to the chipmunks

534
00:23:52,440 --> 00:23:54,440
Speaker 4: that have the chipmunks do it because all of these

535
00:23:54,640 --> 00:23:58,840
Speaker 4: fucking constituential protections and rights you're supposed to have in

536
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Speaker 4: the way, that's the whole I'm like sitting there watching it, like,

537
00:24:01,680 --> 00:24:02,960
Speaker 4: ain't that the pitch.

538
00:24:03,320 --> 00:24:03,879
Speaker 3: Look at this?

539
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Speaker 1: Or I was watching a new one, the one, Yeah, the.

540
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Speaker 4: New one, the live action Go watch it. It's crazy yeah,

541
00:24:10,560 --> 00:24:12,479
Speaker 4: that's what happens in the live action or even if

542
00:24:12,520 --> 00:24:14,320
Speaker 4: you look at. Me and my boyfriend talk about this

543
00:24:14,320 --> 00:24:17,280
Speaker 4: a lot because he's a he loves Spider Man and

544
00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:19,600
Speaker 4: the Spider Verse. And I went on and watched the

545
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Speaker 4: second one, and I was I went with my friend

546
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Speaker 4: alex Elo all overruled on TikTok who's also a PD,

547
00:24:25,600 --> 00:24:28,639
Speaker 4: and he he he. We were just both like, what

548
00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:31,639
Speaker 4: is this? So Spider Man is like they have it

549
00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:34,680
Speaker 4: and specifically Spider Man would otherwise stringing all over the place,

550
00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:37,040
Speaker 4: but suddenly he needs to take the subway just so

551
00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:40,200
Speaker 4: he could stop and you could see the subway station

552
00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:43,439
Speaker 4: stops for which areas in Brooklyn, which Black dabuds they

553
00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:45,560
Speaker 4: were choose in, and just having him fight crime there

554
00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:46,720
Speaker 4: and then leave.

555
00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:48,320
Speaker 3: Go back on me. I'm like, look at this ship,

556
00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:50,480
Speaker 3: look at it, look at it?

557
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Speaker 1: Is that that's the second one, the Tom Holland.

558
00:24:53,920 --> 00:24:56,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, no, the Spider Verse.

559
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Speaker 4: No with Black Spider Man's Oh that's oh yeah, yeah,

560
00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:10,000
Speaker 4: relentless NYPD promo. The amount of NYPD cars in that

561
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Speaker 4: in that Spider versus crazy.

562
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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I was watching Zootopia with my kids recently, like that

564
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Speaker 1: is wild copaganda. Just yeah, like the protagonist just all

565
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Speaker 1: she wants to do for her whole life is be

566
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Speaker 1: a cop, even though people don't think she can be

567
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Speaker 1: because she's too small.

568
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Speaker 2: And then she yeah.

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Speaker 1: I mean it's just like every eighties crime movie, like

570
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Speaker 1: partners with like a wily criminal and then they like

571
00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:40,200
Speaker 1: kind of you know, figures it out. But like Zootopia,

572
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Speaker 1: I would I wouldn't have even really thought about it

573
00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:46,800
Speaker 1: that much until you watch it. Paw Patrol we've talked

574
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Speaker 1: about on the show. Absolutely capaganda the worst.

575
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Speaker 4: Those those to me, those kinds of shows and stuff

576
00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:56,960
Speaker 4: are the worst because especially when people like the Cara like,

577
00:25:57,359 --> 00:25:59,680
Speaker 4: people will think it's not topaganda if they like a

578
00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:02,680
Speaker 4: car or something, if they like it, right, That's the

579
00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:04,680
Speaker 4: thing with Spider Man. I'm like, that's what makes it bad.

580
00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:07,320
Speaker 4: Like all the other things bad copaganda, is that it's

581
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Speaker 4: effective that all the other things you like about it.

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Speaker 4: This animation is amazing that they gave you a black kid.

583
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Speaker 4: You know, it's not lost upon me that they gave

584
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Speaker 4: you a black Spider Man. And they said his dog,

585
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Speaker 4: his daddy's gonna be NYBD, his best friend's daddy gonna

586
00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:20,080
Speaker 4: be NYBD.

587
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Speaker 3: We gonna have invite, Like that's what it is.

588
00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:25,440
Speaker 4: And so yeah, those men are more harmful than even

589
00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:28,600
Speaker 4: the cop shows. It's when you think you're not watching copaganda,

590
00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:30,080
Speaker 4: because at least you could go into a cop show,

591
00:26:30,119 --> 00:26:32,200
Speaker 4: which you're like Antenna's up. But if you think you're

592
00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:34,560
Speaker 4: gonna go watch your cartoon, you're gonna go watch Lucifer

593
00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:36,639
Speaker 4: and all these things, and they find a way to be.

594
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Speaker 3: Cops, shoots, even charmed.

595
00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:41,640
Speaker 4: Why are the witches, Why are fucking witches and wizards

596
00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:44,840
Speaker 4: working with the police. Why do they need the police assistance?

597
00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:47,639
Speaker 4: They are working with the police. They had they had

598
00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:51,080
Speaker 4: what's her name, pru was in a relationship with a cop.

599
00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:53,760
Speaker 2: Wow, you know, just for her safety, I guess, or

600
00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:56,040
Speaker 2: not safety. It's very hard to tell. The one thing too,

601
00:26:56,040 --> 00:26:59,600
Speaker 2: about Miles Morales, that character, his dad's name is Jefferson Davis.

602
00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:04,080
Speaker 2: You're like the president of the Confederacy. It's just a coincidence, man,

603
00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:07,320
Speaker 2: his dad Davis. Like, let's also throw that in there

604
00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:10,159
Speaker 2: for our history, buffs. But like I think also too,

605
00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:12,200
Speaker 2: like I think about like New York Undercover. I think

606
00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:15,560
Speaker 2: that's when the Dick Wolfe's most underrated contributions to copaganda

607
00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:17,960
Speaker 2: like the and for the entire genre, because he took

608
00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:20,840
Speaker 2: two detectives of color and put it's like, hey, for

609
00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:23,240
Speaker 2: the hip hop generation, look at this, we got we

610
00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:25,399
Speaker 2: got the we got it like a Latino detective, a

611
00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:29,520
Speaker 2: black detective, and we will even cast rappers in the show,

612
00:27:30,119 --> 00:27:33,720
Speaker 2: you know. And I remember that disarmed. That was so

613
00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:35,720
Speaker 2: disarming for me because I was like, oh shit, like

614
00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:37,520
Speaker 2: this rappers and they're okay, cool, this is cool.

615
00:27:37,560 --> 00:27:38,480
Speaker 1: Oh what are they trying to do?

616
00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:38,879
Speaker 2: You know what?

617
00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:39,560
Speaker 1: You know?

618
00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:41,879
Speaker 2: Because like now kids that were like raised on here

619
00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:44,320
Speaker 2: in NWA and fuck the police or public enemy are like, well,

620
00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:46,399
Speaker 2: you know, Detective Williams and Detective Torre is like they

621
00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:47,119
Speaker 2: all right though.

622
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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's how it works in real life, right, Like

623
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Speaker 3: that media media is replicating a strategy that they use

624
00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:55,240
Speaker 3: in our politics in real life. That's why Eric Adams

625
00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:56,680
Speaker 3: is a cop, right, The mayor in New York City

626
00:27:56,760 --> 00:27:59,200
Speaker 3: is a cop, the biggest cop, the lover of NYPD.

627
00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:01,800
Speaker 4: But that's what makes him so dangerous is because they're

628
00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:04,240
Speaker 4: able to advertise him. He calls himself, he calls himself

629
00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:06,440
Speaker 4: the hip hop Mayor. He brings a bunch of rappers around,

630
00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:09,520
Speaker 4: even though he actively criminalizes hip hop music like declaire

631
00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:12,600
Speaker 4: the war, Declaire war on drill music and rap music

632
00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:14,520
Speaker 4: like days after he took office.

633
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Speaker 3: But people aren't That's not what they're hearing.

634
00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:18,760
Speaker 4: What they're getting presented to them is a black guy

635
00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:22,120
Speaker 4: putting on airings telling them you know, yeah, and that's

636
00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:22,560
Speaker 4: why it's.

637
00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:25,040
Speaker 2: Bad, right, And he's like, Hey, I'm at the after parties,

638
00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:26,200
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. You see me in the

639
00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:28,760
Speaker 2: background celebrating to launch of this new Chase credit card.

640
00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:33,280
Speaker 4: You're like, because it allows people, it affords people of protection, right,

641
00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:36,439
Speaker 4: Because then people get to say, oh, it can't be racist,

642
00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:38,720
Speaker 4: or it can't be a problematic or whatever has you

643
00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:42,040
Speaker 4: because you have this diverse, this marginalized persons as the

644
00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:44,360
Speaker 4: avatar for it, when in reality, that's the whole thing

645
00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:48,760
Speaker 4: with systemic systemic institution. Once you put you diversify a

646
00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:52,600
Speaker 4: systemically racist institution, what happens is those diverse members have

647
00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:54,960
Speaker 4: to go even harder about punishing theirrow when people to

648
00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:56,680
Speaker 4: prove themselves to that system.

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00:28:56,840 --> 00:28:59,640
Speaker 2: And then ah, yeah, I.

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Speaker 1: Mean that point about hit like Dick Wolf taking like

651
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Speaker 1: putting rappers in his show, Iced Tea, who was like,

652
00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:11,920
Speaker 1: when I was a kid, was at the center of

653
00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:16,560
Speaker 1: a controversy about like having a song about killing cops

654
00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:20,240
Speaker 1: and then the thing he's mainly known for now is

655
00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:22,040
Speaker 1: playing a cop on TV.

656
00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:27,000
Speaker 3: And his politics have moved that way too, right, But like, yeah.

657
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Speaker 1: It's just capitalism is so insidious like that. You know,

658
00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:34,360
Speaker 1: we talk about capitalism being the singularity that everybody was

659
00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:37,560
Speaker 1: afraid of, where it's like it gets smarter and more

660
00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:42,120
Speaker 1: advanced than any single human mind can conceive of. Like

661
00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:45,320
Speaker 1: that's just if you if you had a million years

662
00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:47,440
Speaker 1: to map out. Okay, So how are we going to

663
00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:53,840
Speaker 1: deal with this swelling from like actual people who are struggling,

664
00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:56,760
Speaker 1: who don't have enough to eat and who are living

665
00:29:57,400 --> 00:30:01,840
Speaker 1: victimized by police and creating this music that really connects

666
00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:05,320
Speaker 1: with people. Like the idea of like taking them and

667
00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:11,840
Speaker 1: putting them in the most powerful copaganda like is so insidious,

668
00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:13,960
Speaker 1: But it's not. It's not a thing that like any

669
00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:16,720
Speaker 1: one mastermind had to come up with. It's just like

670
00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:20,960
Speaker 1: the forces of capitalism and the media just like kind

671
00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:22,840
Speaker 1: of put that shit together, you.

672
00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:24,040
Speaker 3: Know exactly, And it's funy.

673
00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:25,680
Speaker 4: You should bring up Iced Tea because it was Iced

674
00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:28,200
Speaker 4: Tea that actually declared Eric Adams the hip hop mayor

675
00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:28,880
Speaker 4: of New York City.

676
00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:33,120
Speaker 3: I mean it's my first episode on my show.

677
00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:36,240
Speaker 2: I think a lot of people like because we've talked

678
00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:37,880
Speaker 2: about on the show, we've had you while, we've had

679
00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:40,280
Speaker 2: we've you know, had alec Errick Sanas on and talking

680
00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:42,000
Speaker 2: about these issues. I think a lot of people are

681
00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:45,200
Speaker 2: pretty well like they they're able to recognize like the

682
00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:50,040
Speaker 2: cop of the copaganda element pretty well. But another thing

683
00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:52,160
Speaker 2: that I hear you talk about in many others is

684
00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:54,520
Speaker 2: not it's not just the cop part, it's also the

685
00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:56,440
Speaker 2: law proganda as well.

686
00:30:57,000 --> 00:30:59,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, like kapaganda isn't just about when people hear it,

687
00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:01,760
Speaker 4: they think of it as just police, but it's what

688
00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:05,320
Speaker 4: it is. Copaganda refers to anyway like the media tries

689
00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:09,440
Speaker 4: to feed you or indocrinate you into supporting policing or

690
00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:12,000
Speaker 4: or prisons in policing, that's what it is. Anything that

691
00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:15,880
Speaker 4: essentially essentially reiterates a cops narrative, what a cop would

692
00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:17,720
Speaker 4: want you to think about of a situation. So it's

693
00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:20,640
Speaker 4: like they want People will say, they're like, you'll tell

694
00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:22,720
Speaker 4: them law an artists kind of copaganda, and they'll act

695
00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:25,880
Speaker 4: like it's not because it shows Stabler doing legal things,

696
00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:28,280
Speaker 4: and it's like, that's the fucking point. You love Stabler,

697
00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:30,440
Speaker 4: It should you you spin it gives it feeds you

698
00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:32,560
Speaker 4: a show where you love him, you watch him, you

699
00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:35,200
Speaker 4: you recognize why this character does this, and you see

700
00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:37,800
Speaker 4: it as necessary or you come to to see it

701
00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:40,160
Speaker 4: as normal. There's a reason why if you watch, if

702
00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:42,120
Speaker 4: you watch shows all the time, you're you're in law

703
00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:42,440
Speaker 4: and order.

704
00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:47,120
Speaker 3: Is is the influences, uh, cannot be understated.

705
00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:48,800
Speaker 4: But so if you take a law and order, if

706
00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:50,880
Speaker 4: you watch for for years, it become a normal part

707
00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:52,920
Speaker 4: of policing. That the police you love, who you believe

708
00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:54,840
Speaker 4: are just the are trying, they want to do the

709
00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:56,600
Speaker 4: right thing, and their intentions are so good, and you

710
00:31:56,680 --> 00:31:59,760
Speaker 4: watch them regularly be aggressive or beat up people as

711
00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:02,600
Speaker 4: a real Why police brutality is the narrative of police

712
00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:05,440
Speaker 4: brutality is only ever when someone dies, but never just

713
00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:07,600
Speaker 4: the regular aggression and abuse that we see as a

714
00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:08,720
Speaker 4: regular part of policing.

715
00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:09,800
Speaker 3: No one thinks anything about you.

716
00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:11,680
Speaker 4: You see police roughing people up, and you don't think

717
00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:14,160
Speaker 4: of that as brutality or illicit. You think of that

718
00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:18,200
Speaker 4: as that's policing, and that's normal to you, right, Yeah, can.

719
00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:19,440
Speaker 2: You talk to just a little bit too, because I

720
00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:21,680
Speaker 2: think the one part that I wasn't always wrapping my

721
00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:24,640
Speaker 2: head around was how like the prosecution element of it

722
00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:26,680
Speaker 2: works because while the police are the people on the

723
00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:31,320
Speaker 2: street this harmful system, it continues through the actual like

724
00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:33,520
Speaker 2: judicial system and things like that. And I think that's

725
00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:36,240
Speaker 2: another part that like when you watch a law and order,

726
00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:38,960
Speaker 2: you're like, oh, okay, so like they get mad when

727
00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:40,800
Speaker 2: like they take a plea deal. They're like, oh, he

728
00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:42,760
Speaker 2: got away because like he pled out. It's like, oh,

729
00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:45,360
Speaker 2: it's a loophole that these people are are like you know,

730
00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:48,000
Speaker 2: at being able to abuse or whatever.

731
00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:48,720
Speaker 3: But came out.

732
00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:51,880
Speaker 4: Prosecutors love plea deals more than anybody else. Like they're

733
00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:54,760
Speaker 4: the ones, like they they want plea deal. They're the

734
00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:58,080
Speaker 4: ones they weaponize plea deals and cash bail in order

735
00:32:58,160 --> 00:33:00,360
Speaker 4: to get convictions that they otherwise would and get.

736
00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:01,160
Speaker 3: They're the ones that do that.

737
00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:03,920
Speaker 4: So whatever, what often happens in the criminal system is

738
00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:07,120
Speaker 4: police someone someone will be arrested, take for example, like

739
00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:09,160
Speaker 4: a homeless person or someone with mental health issues who

740
00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:10,880
Speaker 4: has a long rap sheet, because that's what the media

741
00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:13,160
Speaker 4: likes to sensationalize what happens.

742
00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:14,720
Speaker 3: How they end up with that long rap sheet.

743
00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:17,960
Speaker 4: Is say they'll arrest somebody for something, something petty that

744
00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:20,360
Speaker 4: shouldn't even be criminal or whatever. They'll arrest a homeless

745
00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:22,880
Speaker 4: person because they can. And then what will happen even

746
00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:24,720
Speaker 4: though this case would if this, if this were a

747
00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:27,080
Speaker 4: case against me or you, the case would end up

748
00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:29,120
Speaker 4: being thrown out or resolve some other way. Would not

749
00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:31,800
Speaker 4: end in a criminal conviction under any circumstances. But what

750
00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:33,880
Speaker 4: they'll say to the homeless person or the person with

751
00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:36,720
Speaker 4: mental health issues, or someone who they know don't have

752
00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:37,440
Speaker 4: any resources.

753
00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:39,200
Speaker 3: They'll say, plead to the charge.

754
00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:41,360
Speaker 4: You can plead to the charge and be released now,

755
00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:43,960
Speaker 4: or we'll set cash bail on you and you have

756
00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:46,080
Speaker 4: to go to Rikers while this case is open, you know,

757
00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:49,000
Speaker 4: So someone wanting to go to Rikers for e period

758
00:33:49,040 --> 00:33:50,560
Speaker 4: of time, they will plead to the charge, so they'll

759
00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:52,560
Speaker 4: take the and then that keeps happening, and now they

760
00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:55,560
Speaker 4: have this long criminal sheet that could be weaponized against them.

761
00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:57,320
Speaker 4: But what happens with a coppaghandam when it comes to

762
00:33:57,400 --> 00:33:59,880
Speaker 4: prosecutors is first of all, a thing a miracle of

763
00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:00,240
Speaker 4: to do.

764
00:34:00,360 --> 00:34:03,600
Speaker 3: In general is America likes to discard parts. So it

765
00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:06,360
Speaker 3: can preserve the whole. It will Curtis America, will allow

766
00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:08,279
Speaker 3: you to criticize police, or it will feed you a

767
00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:11,640
Speaker 3: narrative about private prison so that you don't criticize prisons

768
00:34:11,680 --> 00:34:14,720
Speaker 3: in general overall, or you don't criticize the criminal system overall.

769
00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:17,400
Speaker 3: So police or who the narrative gets rested on, you know,

770
00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:19,960
Speaker 3: they never let it get past police. So people go, oh,

771
00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:22,480
Speaker 3: police are bad, Police do this, Police do these things,

772
00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:24,719
Speaker 3: but they never recognize that it's the prosecutors who have

773
00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:28,239
Speaker 3: to carry that out right. So and also how copaganda

774
00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:30,480
Speaker 3: I think really is really really probably one of the

775
00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:32,880
Speaker 3: most harmful things it does is it encourages people to

776
00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:36,239
Speaker 3: talk to the police throughout across all mediums of copaganda,

777
00:34:36,280 --> 00:34:38,800
Speaker 3: all the different top shows or shows that are not

778
00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:40,800
Speaker 3: even about cops, and they just happen to have that

779
00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:43,080
Speaker 3: kind of scene it they always have where people are

780
00:34:43,160 --> 00:34:45,319
Speaker 3: faced with the stillm of talking to the police. Talking

781
00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:47,959
Speaker 3: to the police, they're negotiating with the police about their case.

782
00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:50,400
Speaker 3: In real life, the police don't have shit to do

783
00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:53,200
Speaker 3: but your case. Police make the arrest, and then you're

784
00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:55,120
Speaker 3: dealing with a prosecutor and a criminal system. The police

785
00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:57,400
Speaker 3: will just be witnesses. At most in the case, they

786
00:34:57,440 --> 00:34:59,759
Speaker 3: have nothing to do with what would deal you end

787
00:34:59,840 --> 00:35:01,920
Speaker 3: up with or what you even get charged with.

788
00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:04,000
Speaker 2: But the shows are always like, hey, man, you talk

789
00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:06,040
Speaker 2: to me, you know you come you come clean to me.

790
00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:08,880
Speaker 2: I'll make sure, I'll make sure this isn't messy for you,

791
00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:17,480
Speaker 2: just for a lawyer, and right well, and also you

792
00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:19,280
Speaker 2: also fed this thing too, Like if you watch shows

793
00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:21,239
Speaker 2: like Dateline and stuff that are about like you know,

794
00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:24,000
Speaker 2: like murder cases and things like that, the detective will

795
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:26,280
Speaker 2: always be like, the second they asked for a lawyer,

796
00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:28,480
Speaker 2: I knew they were guilty, you know what I mean.

797
00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:30,840
Speaker 2: And it also feeds this thing to to sort of like,

798
00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:33,719
Speaker 2: you know, create the subtext that like actually exercising your

799
00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:36,480
Speaker 2: rights makes you more suspicious and maybe you are actually

800
00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:39,240
Speaker 2: because why wouldn't all the or all the true crime.

801
00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:40,520
Speaker 3: And you know what I think is so funny.

802
00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:43,680
Speaker 4: Every every true crime you go and watch is about

803
00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:47,080
Speaker 4: some case where the police fail to do ship right,

804
00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:52,719
Speaker 4: like every single one. And that's somehow, yes, but they

805
00:35:52,719 --> 00:35:56,759
Speaker 4: will somehow and what is very obviously policing failure. The

806
00:35:56,880 --> 00:36:00,279
Speaker 4: whole thing is about policing failure. The argument will be

807
00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:03,360
Speaker 4: how the police like they their arms were tied by

808
00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:05,560
Speaker 4: some bullshit that their arms were not tied by by

809
00:36:05,719 --> 00:36:07,640
Speaker 4: Oh they didn't have this, they didn't have that, and

810
00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:10,880
Speaker 4: it will become this like indictment of the defense. So

811
00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:13,080
Speaker 4: people have been rights so or blah blah blah, rather

812
00:36:13,120 --> 00:36:16,359
Speaker 4: than the fact that the fucking police don't do shit right.

813
00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:19,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, the law and order thing is so insidious,

814
00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:22,760
Speaker 1: like you just you don't get to follow a single

815
00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:27,320
Speaker 1: criminal prosecution anywhere else, like from arrest through trial, and

816
00:36:28,239 --> 00:36:31,000
Speaker 1: like it really feels like, you know, the thing we

817
00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:34,320
Speaker 1: know about Hollywood is like they they like an underdog story.

818
00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:40,400
Speaker 1: There's this massive like machine that is swallowing up innocent

819
00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:44,840
Speaker 1: people and just making them disappear from their everyday lives.

820
00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:50,480
Speaker 1: And we never really see like how that machine actually works.

821
00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:54,440
Speaker 4: It's just Yeah, A big, a big aspect of copaganda

822
00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:56,880
Speaker 4: that doesn't get talked about in all these shows is

823
00:36:57,000 --> 00:37:00,320
Speaker 4: the investigation because in real life there is none, Like,

824
00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:02,920
Speaker 4: there is none, There is no fucking investigation. All these

825
00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:06,680
Speaker 4: shows show you police just fucking beating their heads in

826
00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:08,440
Speaker 4: trying to get to the bottom of something. Police don't

827
00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:10,880
Speaker 4: solve no fucking crime. What happens in real life. Is

828
00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:14,120
Speaker 4: someone accused of something of something, the police arrests them

829
00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:17,400
Speaker 4: and what they knew at raiments is the case with

830
00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:19,680
Speaker 4: the information you got, Like, they don't go trying to

831
00:37:19,719 --> 00:37:21,520
Speaker 4: figure something out. No one is on a quest to

832
00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:24,120
Speaker 4: get to the bottom of it. Also, another thing calapaganda

833
00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:26,880
Speaker 4: does is it makes defense. It reinforces this idea that

834
00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:30,359
Speaker 4: the only people who are deserving of representation or can

835
00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:32,480
Speaker 4: be victims in a criminal system, or who are innocent

836
00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:35,000
Speaker 4: or what have you, right, because they'll always have defense attorneys.

837
00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:38,520
Speaker 4: They'll paint defense attorneys is these people who believe their

838
00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:41,400
Speaker 4: clients are innocent or who are either stumb who know

839
00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:44,440
Speaker 4: that they're representing these bad, terrible, evil people they're getting

840
00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:47,400
Speaker 4: out and they're rich for doing it, or they're naive

841
00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:49,719
Speaker 4: and think that they're innocent and they're on a quest

842
00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:52,720
Speaker 4: to find out that their client is innocent, to confirm

843
00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:55,040
Speaker 4: that their client is innocent or otherwise they can represent them.

844
00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:58,040
Speaker 3: I just watched Tyler Perry s a movie. Oh Jesus,

845
00:37:58,320 --> 00:37:58,839
Speaker 3: Tyler Perry.

846
00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:00,799
Speaker 4: I just watched Tyler Perry move just the other night

847
00:38:01,040 --> 00:38:04,280
Speaker 4: where he had it where this defense attorney is supposed

848
00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:06,000
Speaker 4: to be representing this guy accused the murder, and all

849
00:38:06,080 --> 00:38:07,880
Speaker 4: she's spending her time trying to do is trying to

850
00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:09,719
Speaker 4: like undermine the story, trying to find out whether or

851
00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:12,560
Speaker 4: not he's he's innocent, and then once she thinks he's guilty,

852
00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:14,160
Speaker 4: she quits, What the fuck?

853
00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:16,000
Speaker 3: That don't have nothing to do with the pras of

854
00:38:16,040 --> 00:38:18,160
Speaker 3: Tea in China, like you have to represent him? Like

855
00:38:18,719 --> 00:38:20,000
Speaker 3: what are we doing like that?

856
00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:21,920
Speaker 4: That has nothing to do with nothing, but that's how

857
00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:24,239
Speaker 4: it paints it to you. So the defense are automatically

858
00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:26,279
Speaker 4: made up to be bad people on the side of

859
00:38:26,440 --> 00:38:29,279
Speaker 4: bad or otherwise, if they weren't on the side of bad,

860
00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:31,360
Speaker 4: if they would, if these were people who deserved they

861
00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:33,120
Speaker 4: would be washing their hands in this case, or they

862
00:38:33,120 --> 00:38:35,200
Speaker 4: would what they love to do in copaganda's have a

863
00:38:35,239 --> 00:38:37,040
Speaker 4: defense attorney quit and become a prosecutor.

864
00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:38,239
Speaker 1: They love that.

865
00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:41,080
Speaker 2: But that's say the light after this.

866
00:38:41,640 --> 00:38:44,080
Speaker 4: They did that in Lucifer, they actually had they and

867
00:38:44,239 --> 00:38:47,719
Speaker 4: Lucifer a show about the devil, about Satan.

868
00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:48,920
Speaker 3: Satan.

869
00:38:49,040 --> 00:38:52,520
Speaker 4: They have Satan himself come to earth and the only

870
00:38:52,600 --> 00:38:56,600
Speaker 4: way for Satan to reconcile himself with God is to

871
00:38:56,760 --> 00:39:00,960
Speaker 4: work with Lapd and the worst person he in contact

872
00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:03,799
Speaker 4: with they say, is the defense attorney who in order

873
00:39:04,120 --> 00:39:07,160
Speaker 4: for her to make it to heaven, she had to

874
00:39:07,239 --> 00:39:08,359
Speaker 4: become a prosecutor.

875
00:39:09,080 --> 00:39:09,560
Speaker 1: Is that real?

876
00:39:09,719 --> 00:39:11,719
Speaker 3: That's what the fuck happened in that show.

877
00:39:12,239 --> 00:39:12,479
Speaker 1: Wow.

878
00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:15,080
Speaker 4: Imagine you're me thinking you're gonna go and watch a nice,

879
00:39:15,080 --> 00:39:18,000
Speaker 4: wholesome show about the devil and you get nothing but copaganda.

880
00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:19,040
Speaker 4: It's like wow.

881
00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:21,640
Speaker 2: Even here, it's like, well, why are the lapd the

882
00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:23,640
Speaker 2: arbiters of who gets into okay whatever?

883
00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:27,080
Speaker 4: All the fucking lapd in the show a corrupt they have,

884
00:39:27,320 --> 00:39:30,160
Speaker 4: like really like corrupt, But somehow that's not the problem

885
00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:33,880
Speaker 4: they had, Like the wife of the man cop that

886
00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:35,880
Speaker 4: he works with, the husband of the man cop that

887
00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:39,439
Speaker 4: he works with, ex husband is a whole crooked cop

888
00:39:39,560 --> 00:39:41,560
Speaker 4: doing all kinds of shit, and they have his real

889
00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:44,200
Speaker 4: moral dilemma to be Like when he's dating the prosecutor,

890
00:39:44,200 --> 00:39:45,279
Speaker 4: I say, ain't this a bout a bitch?

891
00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:48,719
Speaker 2: Right? It's it's just wild, like how the effects of

892
00:39:48,840 --> 00:39:51,360
Speaker 2: the the you know, obviously copaganda helps is like pr

893
00:39:51,560 --> 00:39:53,800
Speaker 2: for the legal system and police and things like that,

894
00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:56,560
Speaker 2: and help support like the biggest myths we have, Like

895
00:39:56,680 --> 00:39:59,759
Speaker 2: so you know, it's completely just Dad's our ability to

896
00:39:59,800 --> 00:40:02,600
Speaker 2: think critically because if you go like like, I wonder, man,

897
00:40:02,680 --> 00:40:06,200
Speaker 2: are police are they a threat to marginalize communities? You're like, no, no, no, man,

898
00:40:06,239 --> 00:40:07,920
Speaker 2: because I've seen TV and most of them are just

899
00:40:08,040 --> 00:40:09,799
Speaker 2: good and you know some of them are just going

900
00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:12,400
Speaker 2: through stuff like the characters on the shows, or what

901
00:40:12,520 --> 00:40:15,360
Speaker 2: if can they do like more with less money. It's like, well, no,

902
00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:17,560
Speaker 2: absolutely not, because they're the only thing that keeps us

903
00:40:18,120 --> 00:40:20,840
Speaker 2: in our society from fully devolving into the purge. And

904
00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:23,320
Speaker 2: then on the other side too, it completely we have

905
00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:25,600
Speaker 2: no idea actually how the legal system works, so if

906
00:40:25,600 --> 00:40:27,359
Speaker 2: you actually begin to interact with it, you're like, well,

907
00:40:27,360 --> 00:40:29,560
Speaker 2: based on what I've seen, I don't I don't know

908
00:40:29,680 --> 00:40:31,840
Speaker 2: if I have rights or maybe I should talk to

909
00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:34,600
Speaker 2: the police, or do I go to trial? Because you

910
00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:36,960
Speaker 2: don't you also don't see the part about how coercive,

911
00:40:37,040 --> 00:40:39,279
Speaker 2: like the whole plea deal thing is in real life,

912
00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:41,359
Speaker 2: where they're like, hey, man, if you actually look if

913
00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:42,920
Speaker 2: you go to trial, like you're looking at twenty five

914
00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:45,000
Speaker 2: to life, but or they make it feel like.

915
00:40:45,040 --> 00:40:47,720
Speaker 4: That's what good aggressive policing is, right like when Stabler

916
00:40:47,719 --> 00:40:49,960
Speaker 4: and these people are blowing down on these people and

917
00:40:50,040 --> 00:40:52,680
Speaker 4: being real aggressive and confrontationalless to those on the shows,

918
00:40:52,680 --> 00:40:54,799
Speaker 4: they act like that's what's needed, That's that's what tough

919
00:40:54,880 --> 00:40:57,239
Speaker 4: on crime is, right, Like tough on crime as a

920
00:40:57,360 --> 00:40:59,840
Speaker 4: whole concept. Law and order, which Republicans speak all the

921
00:40:59,840 --> 00:41:02,160
Speaker 4: time long art, is an actual term they use twenty

922
00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:04,200
Speaker 4: four to seven. So it's like a coincidence, like what

923
00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:06,839
Speaker 4: law and order is and what that is, Like it's

924
00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:08,040
Speaker 4: a it's a direct correlation.

925
00:41:08,719 --> 00:41:11,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, And just going back to the true crime point,

926
00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:14,759
Speaker 1: like we find you find out these staggering lapses and

927
00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:18,320
Speaker 1: police werek Like we talked about that serial killer in

928
00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:22,640
Speaker 1: Long Island who was on the loose for like a decade,

929
00:41:23,239 --> 00:41:26,719
Speaker 1: and they had a description of his like extremely rare

930
00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:29,960
Speaker 1: car from like one of his first crimes, and it

931
00:41:30,120 --> 00:41:33,960
Speaker 1: was like he lived like blocks away from it, and

932
00:41:34,080 --> 00:41:35,680
Speaker 1: they like knew this a whole time. They just like

933
00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:38,080
Speaker 1: didn't chase it down. Like it's just they don't because

934
00:41:38,120 --> 00:41:40,479
Speaker 1: it was a while. Yeah, they don't give a fuck.

935
00:41:40,920 --> 00:41:43,040
Speaker 3: They don't, like they literally don't give a fuck.

936
00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:45,920
Speaker 4: Like it's funny, like people who so believe in policing

937
00:41:46,040 --> 00:41:49,239
Speaker 4: and believe police solve crime don't be to people who

938
00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:52,200
Speaker 4: have experienced having to try to you ask the police

939
00:41:52,239 --> 00:41:54,399
Speaker 4: to solve a fucking crime like you've obviously never called

940
00:41:54,440 --> 00:41:56,680
Speaker 4: the beliefs if you believe that they solve shit, like

941
00:41:56,920 --> 00:42:00,040
Speaker 4: you know what happened. So when I when I a

942
00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:02,000
Speaker 4: year ago, my TV got stolen, right, I ordered a

943
00:42:02,040 --> 00:42:04,359
Speaker 4: new TV and I left it in the hallway, right.

944
00:42:04,520 --> 00:42:06,640
Speaker 4: And I left it in the hallway because I was like, oh,

945
00:42:06,920 --> 00:42:09,280
Speaker 4: I my guys come in and mounted in the morning.

946
00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:11,720
Speaker 4: I don't feel like carrying it up the stairs. Wrong decision.

947
00:42:12,760 --> 00:42:16,120
Speaker 4: The minute I left to go to the gym. Clearly

948
00:42:16,239 --> 00:42:17,960
Speaker 4: some girl who live in my building told her boyfriend

949
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:19,800
Speaker 4: to come jack this TV. It's very clear to me

950
00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:21,719
Speaker 4: that this was happened. And I know this because I

951
00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:22,200
Speaker 4: have proof.

952
00:42:22,520 --> 00:42:22,680
Speaker 3: Now.

953
00:42:22,760 --> 00:42:25,360
Speaker 4: Anyhow, I'm not the ops and I'm a defense attorney,

954
00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:27,640
Speaker 4: so I have no interest whatever you lost a TV like,

955
00:42:27,719 --> 00:42:29,520
Speaker 4: they took to tv Amazon and replaced that. For me,

956
00:42:29,520 --> 00:42:31,279
Speaker 4: I have no interest in getting I don't care nothing

957
00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:33,400
Speaker 4: about nothing. But what I think is interesting is that

958
00:42:33,560 --> 00:42:35,319
Speaker 4: even if I did want them to go to jail,

959
00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:36,960
Speaker 4: let me take you out. The police don't give a

960
00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:39,720
Speaker 4: fuck about nothing. Right Because Amazon, I go to Amazon

961
00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:41,359
Speaker 4: to put in that I need a new TV. Because

962
00:42:41,400 --> 00:42:44,120
Speaker 4: my TV was shacked. Amazon goes, oh, you'd have to

963
00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:47,399
Speaker 4: you have watch out the police state works, right. Amazon goes,

964
00:42:47,480 --> 00:42:50,000
Speaker 4: you have to file a police report in order to

965
00:42:50,040 --> 00:42:52,839
Speaker 4: get the for us to give you a replacement. Right,

966
00:42:52,880 --> 00:42:55,719
Speaker 4: so you gotta call the police. My landlord, I tell

967
00:42:55,800 --> 00:42:57,920
Speaker 4: my landlord my TV was stolen. My landlord goes and

968
00:42:57,960 --> 00:43:00,440
Speaker 4: gets the security footage and shows me the.

969
00:43:00,520 --> 00:43:04,160
Speaker 3: Guys stealing my TV. Like, oh, seamless too.

970
00:43:04,320 --> 00:43:06,680
Speaker 4: It was excellent. I couldn't even mean I was excellent.

971
00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:08,640
Speaker 4: It was very clear they had their eyes on that

972
00:43:08,719 --> 00:43:11,840
Speaker 4: TV all day. The minute I left that building, someone

973
00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:12,319
Speaker 4: texted them.

974
00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:12,760
Speaker 3: They buzzed.

975
00:43:12,760 --> 00:43:15,640
Speaker 4: They came in with their face masks, COVID protection. They

976
00:43:15,719 --> 00:43:18,560
Speaker 4: came in with their face masks, and they literally they

977
00:43:18,600 --> 00:43:21,480
Speaker 4: picked up the TV. Like walk right out the door.

978
00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:24,520
Speaker 4: You can see them. You can fully see the people.

979
00:43:24,840 --> 00:43:25,759
Speaker 4: The polices ain't even ask.

980
00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:26,439
Speaker 3: They don't give a fuck.

981
00:43:26,600 --> 00:43:28,319
Speaker 4: They were like, they know I have a video. They

982
00:43:28,360 --> 00:43:30,839
Speaker 4: were like, yeah, so anyway, that's what you needed, right something,

983
00:43:30,920 --> 00:43:33,640
Speaker 4: didn't ask, didn't didn't get the video. They were like, real,

984
00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:36,200
Speaker 4: right that you had a video, didn't look at it,

985
00:43:36,719 --> 00:43:39,680
Speaker 4: didn't look at it, didn't ask me to be sent nothing.

986
00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:42,040
Speaker 4: The other day, there were two little girls. I was

987
00:43:42,080 --> 00:43:44,880
Speaker 4: walking in my neighborhood and there were two little girls running,

988
00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:46,319
Speaker 4: a seven year old and a four year old running

989
00:43:46,320 --> 00:43:47,960
Speaker 4: through the street, and I'm like, what the fuck, where

990
00:43:47,960 --> 00:43:49,839
Speaker 4: are their parents and stuff? So and then I see

991
00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:51,320
Speaker 4: them run to this white lady, and me and this

992
00:43:51,360 --> 00:43:53,480
Speaker 4: white lady end up going on and spending the quest

993
00:43:53,560 --> 00:43:55,279
Speaker 4: the rest of the evening trying to find where these

994
00:43:55,320 --> 00:43:57,799
Speaker 4: little girls came from. Right, one is seven and one

995
00:43:57,880 --> 00:43:59,680
Speaker 4: is four. The seven year old's bad ass was in

996
00:43:59,760 --> 00:44:02,160
Speaker 4: on it. The seven year old snuck them out of

997
00:44:02,200 --> 00:44:05,319
Speaker 4: the Like when when the people at the day care,

998
00:44:05,520 --> 00:44:07,960
Speaker 4: and I'd figured her out at the daycare, turned their back.

999
00:44:08,040 --> 00:44:09,640
Speaker 4: She took the little four year old and she went running.

1000
00:44:09,640 --> 00:44:11,279
Speaker 4: She wanted to go to her little friend's house, and

1001
00:44:11,880 --> 00:44:13,600
Speaker 4: she don't know where she's going. She is seven, but

1002
00:44:13,680 --> 00:44:15,880
Speaker 4: she's not trying to go back, so she won't help us,

1003
00:44:16,200 --> 00:44:18,760
Speaker 4: So she's like actively leading us in the wrong direction.

1004
00:44:18,920 --> 00:44:21,480
Speaker 4: Spend hours a little four year olds who didn't anyway.

1005
00:44:21,560 --> 00:44:24,919
Speaker 4: When I finally get these little girls back to back

1006
00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:29,200
Speaker 4: to the house as the police are coming outside to us,

1007
00:44:29,480 --> 00:44:32,480
Speaker 4: they're fen police inside the house just looking at these

1008
00:44:32,520 --> 00:44:34,960
Speaker 4: people for hours, like I don't know where the kids

1009
00:44:35,080 --> 00:44:38,440
Speaker 4: is or whatever, hadn't gone searching around the neighborhood. Nothing right,

1010
00:44:38,520 --> 00:44:41,160
Speaker 4: I returned to kids. They did not even They didn't

1011
00:44:41,160 --> 00:44:43,120
Speaker 4: take my name, they didn't talk to me. They didn't

1012
00:44:43,160 --> 00:44:45,680
Speaker 4: make it not a statement, not a check for how

1013
00:44:45,719 --> 00:44:47,920
Speaker 4: the fuck did they know? I didn't snap the I

1014
00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:50,440
Speaker 4: didn't like take those little girls. They didn't know that

1015
00:44:50,520 --> 00:44:52,480
Speaker 4: anyway they'd come from, if something had happened to them,

1016
00:44:52,520 --> 00:44:52,920
Speaker 4: how they know?

1017
00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:54,640
Speaker 3: They don't know that, but they ain't.

1018
00:44:54,480 --> 00:44:57,880
Speaker 2: Check because they shit, Yeah, it could be a lot

1019
00:44:57,920 --> 00:44:59,200
Speaker 2: of work if we have to look into this. So

1020
00:44:59,200 --> 00:45:02,920
Speaker 2: I'm just gonna say, yeah, cool, thanks, I promise you.

1021
00:45:03,120 --> 00:45:06,320
Speaker 4: Literally I had to like volunteer, like like trying to

1022
00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:07,920
Speaker 4: tell them like, hey, this is what happened.

1023
00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:08,279
Speaker 2: Is weird.

1024
00:45:08,320 --> 00:45:09,960
Speaker 4: This one was that I did not give them.

1025
00:45:10,239 --> 00:45:11,920
Speaker 3: It was just looking. They'd been in the house for hours,

1026
00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:15,239
Speaker 3: just looking at them. Mothers cry like just like this.

1027
00:45:15,600 --> 00:45:18,640
Speaker 4: They weren't even like outside, like they weren't controlling the

1028
00:45:18,680 --> 00:45:19,600
Speaker 4: neighborhood or anything.

1029
00:45:19,640 --> 00:45:21,680
Speaker 3: They were just more and I'm coming just looking house

1030
00:45:21,760 --> 00:45:23,160
Speaker 3: like I don't know where the kids are?

1031
00:45:24,360 --> 00:45:25,160
Speaker 2: Got some more of this food?

1032
00:45:25,960 --> 00:45:28,680
Speaker 3: Like we were walking around the same neighborhood in broad

1033
00:45:28,719 --> 00:45:29,720
Speaker 3: day like to like falling.

1034
00:45:30,760 --> 00:45:33,120
Speaker 1: All right, let's uh, let's take a quick break. We'll

1035
00:45:33,200 --> 00:45:35,680
Speaker 1: come back and talk about some more of how this

1036
00:45:35,760 --> 00:45:49,800
Speaker 1: ship works. We'll be right back, and we're back. And

1037
00:45:50,760 --> 00:45:52,440
Speaker 1: one thing that we like to talk about on the

1038
00:45:52,480 --> 00:45:56,200
Speaker 1: show is just like selection bias, like where you just

1039
00:45:56,320 --> 00:46:00,360
Speaker 1: see when they suddenly start reporting every instance of shopping lifting,

1040
00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:04,800
Speaker 1: even though shoplifting is like going down broadly across the country,

1041
00:46:05,239 --> 00:46:10,239
Speaker 1: it's going to seem to people like, oh my god, yeah,

1042
00:46:10,360 --> 00:46:11,880
Speaker 1: poor poor people are out of control.

1043
00:46:12,280 --> 00:46:14,600
Speaker 4: They and you know, it's funny that was all debunked,

1044
00:46:14,840 --> 00:46:16,759
Speaker 4: like they spent all the twenty twenty and twenty twenty

1045
00:46:16,800 --> 00:46:19,000
Speaker 4: one doing all of that, all the own rise in shoplifting,

1046
00:46:19,080 --> 00:46:21,200
Speaker 4: rise in shoplifting, and when they finally put out all

1047
00:46:21,239 --> 00:46:23,560
Speaker 4: their articles, oh because like I think it was Walgreens

1048
00:46:23,600 --> 00:46:26,040
Speaker 4: that admitted that they had overblown these figures and all

1049
00:46:26,080 --> 00:46:28,560
Speaker 4: this different stuff. But even regardless, not only is it

1050
00:46:28,640 --> 00:46:30,719
Speaker 4: a lie, like a lot of like this colropaganda is

1051
00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:33,760
Speaker 4: just lying. It's just literally lying to create mass hysteria

1052
00:46:33,840 --> 00:46:35,800
Speaker 4: so people feel like there's a lot of crimes, so

1053
00:46:35,880 --> 00:46:38,680
Speaker 4: people feel unsafe regardless of what the actuality is. But

1054
00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:40,880
Speaker 4: even if it wasn't, let's say it wasn't. Let's say

1055
00:46:40,880 --> 00:46:45,680
Speaker 4: it was a bunch of people's shoplifting. How what Let's

1056
00:46:45,719 --> 00:46:48,400
Speaker 4: ask why, Like they are in a global pandemic. If

1057
00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:51,840
Speaker 4: there was a fucking pandemic, people lost their jobs, places

1058
00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:54,640
Speaker 4: closed down, all of this and the next thing America.

1059
00:46:54,719 --> 00:46:57,000
Speaker 4: Most Americans that are actually that are in debt are

1060
00:46:57,080 --> 00:46:59,480
Speaker 4: in medical debt in this country. So imagine a global

1061
00:46:59,560 --> 00:47:01,719
Speaker 4: pandemic the mind with a country of people who don't

1062
00:47:01,719 --> 00:47:04,120
Speaker 4: have healthcare and in medical debt and losing their job,

1063
00:47:04,840 --> 00:47:07,200
Speaker 4: might there be a reason they would shoplift?

1064
00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:10,960
Speaker 2: Right right? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, no, no, we don't survival

1065
00:47:11,040 --> 00:47:13,640
Speaker 2: crime that look, no, no, no, these people are out

1066
00:47:13,680 --> 00:47:15,960
Speaker 2: of control. And that's why I look, we need the police,

1067
00:47:16,040 --> 00:47:17,399
Speaker 2: need tank money, they need.

1068
00:47:19,040 --> 00:47:21,920
Speaker 4: They need drones, they need robot dogs, and they need

1069
00:47:22,560 --> 00:47:25,280
Speaker 4: robots in the National Guard in the subways.

1070
00:47:25,040 --> 00:47:26,480
Speaker 2: Right exactly. Yeah.

1071
00:47:26,680 --> 00:47:30,320
Speaker 1: But and in America, obviously property crime. You want to

1072
00:47:30,360 --> 00:47:34,600
Speaker 1: see like what that things aren't adding up in the

1073
00:47:34,960 --> 00:47:39,440
Speaker 1: American consciousness, Like the way that they Americans respond to

1074
00:47:39,480 --> 00:47:44,520
Speaker 1: property crime as opposed to you know, physical endangerment of

1075
00:47:44,840 --> 00:47:48,960
Speaker 1: people or physical harm to people. Is you know, it's

1076
00:47:49,320 --> 00:47:52,879
Speaker 1: I think there's like a dissonance where the American mind

1077
00:47:53,120 --> 00:47:59,279
Speaker 1: conflates spiritual value for people having more stuff and so

1078
00:48:00,280 --> 00:48:03,440
Speaker 1: like that, you know, shoplifting specifically gets at that and

1079
00:48:03,640 --> 00:48:06,800
Speaker 1: like causes them to like short wire.

1080
00:48:07,120 --> 00:48:10,080
Speaker 4: You know, it's this idea that the haves like, they

1081
00:48:10,160 --> 00:48:11,839
Speaker 4: have an idea but the haves and the have nots,

1082
00:48:11,840 --> 00:48:13,880
Speaker 4: and it's that the haves deserve to have they have

1083
00:48:14,040 --> 00:48:16,520
Speaker 4: because it's what they're deserving, and the have nots don't deserve,

1084
00:48:16,560 --> 00:48:17,880
Speaker 4: and that's why I don't have it. So who the

1085
00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:20,799
Speaker 4: fuck are these undeserving have nots to take my hard

1086
00:48:20,920 --> 00:48:23,600
Speaker 4: earned deserve shit, which is usually shit that they do

1087
00:48:23,719 --> 00:48:27,400
Speaker 4: not have, because it's usually the have nots like loudly

1088
00:48:27,560 --> 00:48:30,440
Speaker 4: defending the halves because they believe that they could one

1089
00:48:30,560 --> 00:48:33,840
Speaker 4: day have and they rather relate to the potential of

1090
00:48:33,960 --> 00:48:36,160
Speaker 4: being the halves than their reality, which is that their

1091
00:48:36,160 --> 00:48:36,799
Speaker 4: the have nots.

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Speaker 3: Is this rough?

1093
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Speaker 1: Yeah. The other place we see selection bias is just

1094
00:48:40,280 --> 00:48:43,720
Speaker 1: like you know, well, with scripted TV, like we're only

1095
00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:47,960
Speaker 1: seeing even though it's much more common for underprivileged people

1096
00:48:48,480 --> 00:48:53,160
Speaker 1: to be kind of pulled into this massive machine and

1097
00:48:53,719 --> 00:48:57,520
Speaker 1: like just unfairly removed from their lives, from the lives

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00:48:57,520 --> 00:49:00,560
Speaker 1: of their loved ones, a true underdog tail that is

1099
00:49:00,560 --> 00:49:03,600
Speaker 1: supposedly what like TV and movies like that, we we

1100
00:49:03,680 --> 00:49:07,600
Speaker 1: don't get those stories. We just get stories of Yeah, Miles,

1101
00:49:07,680 --> 00:49:10,040
Speaker 1: like you said that, the police are humanized like if

1102
00:49:10,080 --> 00:49:12,800
Speaker 1: they if they fuck up, it's because they're having a

1103
00:49:12,880 --> 00:49:16,000
Speaker 1: bad day. That's who we learn to make excuses for.

1104
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Speaker 2: There's never one where it's like, oh I could I

1105
00:49:18,160 --> 00:49:21,480
Speaker 2: could understand why this person who is completely even marginalized

1106
00:49:21,480 --> 00:49:24,719
Speaker 2: by society has like has a different set of financial

1107
00:49:24,800 --> 00:49:27,360
Speaker 2: recourses available to them. For other people, it's more like.

1108
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Speaker 4: And even even though they choose to try to highlight

1109
00:49:30,600 --> 00:49:31,960
Speaker 4: it a kind of crimes, right like think about it.

1110
00:49:32,000 --> 00:49:33,600
Speaker 4: The most popular law and order is law and order.

1111
00:49:33,640 --> 00:49:35,480
Speaker 4: Ask for you, like, there's a reason for that, right

1112
00:49:35,600 --> 00:49:39,360
Speaker 4: Like sexually sexually heinous crimes. Anybody who's ever been the

1113
00:49:39,440 --> 00:49:41,560
Speaker 4: victim of sexual any kind of sexual crime, be the

1114
00:49:41,600 --> 00:49:43,040
Speaker 4: first person and tell you that that's the that's the

1115
00:49:43,080 --> 00:49:45,320
Speaker 4: thing the criminal system gives the least of a fuck about.

1116
00:49:45,520 --> 00:49:46,839
Speaker 4: That's the first thing the police are going to tell

1117
00:49:46,840 --> 00:49:48,200
Speaker 4: you to get out their face for it. They don't

1118
00:49:48,239 --> 00:49:52,319
Speaker 4: probably like those are are are widely, under under prosecuted,

1119
00:49:52,440 --> 00:49:54,680
Speaker 4: under dealt with all these different things by comparison to

1120
00:49:54,760 --> 00:49:56,960
Speaker 4: other things, and they make up the minority of what's

1121
00:49:57,000 --> 00:49:59,000
Speaker 4: in the criminal system. You could represent a thousand people

1122
00:49:59,000 --> 00:50:00,880
Speaker 4: and never have a sex crime, but you wouldn't know

1123
00:50:01,000 --> 00:50:02,840
Speaker 4: that if you have law and order asked for you.

1124
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Speaker 3: And all these kinds of shows.

1125
00:50:04,200 --> 00:50:06,800
Speaker 4: Laurnata wouldn't be so popular if that every episode was

1126
00:50:06,840 --> 00:50:08,760
Speaker 4: based on what is the everyday case.

1127
00:50:08,600 --> 00:50:10,560
Speaker 3: In the criminal system. If it was just an episode

1128
00:50:10,640 --> 00:50:11,439
Speaker 3: like some kid.

1129
00:50:11,440 --> 00:50:13,120
Speaker 4: Was yelling at his mom and his mom called the

1130
00:50:13,160 --> 00:50:14,759
Speaker 4: police for the police to talk to him, and they

1131
00:50:14,840 --> 00:50:17,160
Speaker 4: arrested him and said an issue to order protection out

1132
00:50:17,200 --> 00:50:20,080
Speaker 4: in court. Or some family was fighting, or some neighbor

1133
00:50:20,160 --> 00:50:21,920
Speaker 4: or you banged on your neighbor's door and now they

1134
00:50:22,000 --> 00:50:24,000
Speaker 4: called the police and they charged you with criminal mischief.

1135
00:50:24,360 --> 00:50:26,520
Speaker 4: Like that's the kind of thing that's actually happening every

1136
00:50:26,600 --> 00:50:28,680
Speaker 4: day in New York's legal system. And I think that's

1137
00:50:28,719 --> 00:50:30,840
Speaker 4: the thing that crimes my care about lawen Arder and

1138
00:50:30,920 --> 00:50:33,600
Speaker 4: specific is I work in New York, so I'm like,

1139
00:50:33,719 --> 00:50:34,239
Speaker 4: I know this.

1140
00:50:34,400 --> 00:50:38,040
Speaker 3: Is very this is not a condoms that didn't work

1141
00:50:38,080 --> 00:50:40,080
Speaker 3: in this city. Is like, it's a criminal journey.

1142
00:50:40,120 --> 00:50:42,359
Speaker 4: That's not what's in the system at all, and from

1143
00:50:42,480 --> 00:50:44,440
Speaker 4: either level, Like when I was in law school, I

1144
00:50:44,520 --> 00:50:47,120
Speaker 4: interned at the DA's office just to fucking see.

1145
00:50:47,520 --> 00:50:50,880
Speaker 3: Just confirm what I already know. So I'm like, you

1146
00:50:50,920 --> 00:50:51,680
Speaker 3: ain't gonna tell me no.

1147
00:50:51,719 --> 00:50:54,799
Speaker 2: Different, right, Yeah. And it's interesting too because like, yeah,

1148
00:50:54,880 --> 00:50:56,520
Speaker 2: you're not gonna see in these shows, they're never gonna

1149
00:50:56,520 --> 00:50:58,399
Speaker 2: be like, hey, you know, actually felling these crimes down,

1150
00:50:58,880 --> 00:51:01,600
Speaker 2: and it's been down on a continuum. But it's like,

1151
00:51:01,719 --> 00:51:05,759
Speaker 2: to your point, but misdemeanors have gone way up, and

1152
00:51:06,080 --> 00:51:07,600
Speaker 2: is that like just sort of a way like is

1153
00:51:07,640 --> 00:51:10,040
Speaker 2: that just sort of a response in like from policing

1154
00:51:10,120 --> 00:51:11,600
Speaker 2: to be like, well, people got it, Like we need

1155
00:51:11,680 --> 00:51:12,520
Speaker 2: to touch more people.

1156
00:51:12,600 --> 00:51:14,600
Speaker 4: So I guess the vast majority of what's in the

1157
00:51:14,640 --> 00:51:17,759
Speaker 4: criminal system are misdemeanors and like traffic offenses and non

1158
00:51:17,880 --> 00:51:20,120
Speaker 4: violent you know, in fractions and things like that. That's

1159
00:51:20,160 --> 00:51:22,080
Speaker 4: what that's what is the majority of what's in the

1160
00:51:22,160 --> 00:51:23,960
Speaker 4: system in the first place, they're not the majority of

1161
00:51:23,960 --> 00:51:25,800
Speaker 4: things aren't felonies. And even if you look at a

1162
00:51:25,800 --> 00:51:27,960
Speaker 4: place like New York City of what our felony is,

1163
00:51:28,000 --> 00:51:30,000
Speaker 4: because which is way less than everything else it's a

1164
00:51:30,080 --> 00:51:32,840
Speaker 4: very tiny portion. Most of those don't plead out or

1165
00:51:32,920 --> 00:51:36,360
Speaker 4: get resolved as felonius. So that's it's literally the least

1166
00:51:36,719 --> 00:51:39,719
Speaker 4: violent crime and feloniese and make up the least portion

1167
00:51:39,840 --> 00:51:41,480
Speaker 4: of crime. But you would not know that if you

1168
00:51:41,560 --> 00:51:42,440
Speaker 4: let the media sell it.

1169
00:51:42,920 --> 00:51:45,440
Speaker 1: Right right, Yeah, like you'd think that's all that's happening

1170
00:51:45,520 --> 00:51:48,880
Speaker 1: all the time, for sure. Yeah, it's the selection. Like

1171
00:51:49,000 --> 00:51:52,000
Speaker 1: it's not that they're making up crimes that don't happen.

1172
00:51:52,120 --> 00:51:56,160
Speaker 1: They're just showing you the most violent ones and making

1173
00:51:56,200 --> 00:51:59,520
Speaker 1: it seem like that is all you know. They don't

1174
00:51:59,560 --> 00:52:02,279
Speaker 1: they don't have to lie. They just have to zoom

1175
00:52:02,360 --> 00:52:05,920
Speaker 1: in on a very rare thing and make it seem like,

1176
00:52:06,560 --> 00:52:08,880
Speaker 1: oh that this this shit happens all the time, and

1177
00:52:09,200 --> 00:52:11,920
Speaker 1: they build a world where everybody's scared and willing to

1178
00:52:12,480 --> 00:52:14,760
Speaker 1: give money, unlimited money to the police.

1179
00:52:14,920 --> 00:52:17,520
Speaker 3: What you see most in the criminal system are everyday

1180
00:52:17,600 --> 00:52:21,600
Speaker 3: situations either being made criminal, either by the people themselves,

1181
00:52:21,719 --> 00:52:24,280
Speaker 3: by by by by mistake, or or the criminal system

1182
00:52:24,320 --> 00:52:26,719
Speaker 3: getting involved. But what often what I see most of

1183
00:52:26,800 --> 00:52:29,640
Speaker 3: the time are are people having dispute to one another,

1184
00:52:29,800 --> 00:52:31,400
Speaker 3: like they fight with their roommate, they don't like their

1185
00:52:31,440 --> 00:52:33,239
Speaker 3: roommate or whatever. So they decide to get into a

1186
00:52:33,280 --> 00:52:34,560
Speaker 3: curse out with their room mate, they decide to call

1187
00:52:34,560 --> 00:52:36,239
Speaker 3: the police in their roommate and not our roomate, arrest

1188
00:52:36,320 --> 00:52:38,040
Speaker 3: somebody and not as order protections and they and a

1189
00:52:38,080 --> 00:52:41,040
Speaker 3: whole bind or it's usually things like that.

1190
00:52:41,400 --> 00:52:44,399
Speaker 4: It's just like interactions between people. They gotten, they into

1191
00:52:44,480 --> 00:52:46,560
Speaker 4: it in the street or whatever have you, or someone

1192
00:52:46,800 --> 00:52:49,160
Speaker 4: or someone someone's arguing and the police hear it, so

1193
00:52:49,200 --> 00:52:51,759
Speaker 4: they come and they arrest them. More well, just things

1194
00:52:51,840 --> 00:52:54,560
Speaker 4: like that, but it's not these sensational Your average case

1195
00:52:54,680 --> 00:52:56,879
Speaker 4: is just not something sensational at all.

1196
00:52:57,160 --> 00:52:57,759
Speaker 3: It just isn't.

1197
00:52:57,800 --> 00:52:59,640
Speaker 4: And even a lot of the times too, what doesn't

1198
00:52:59,640 --> 00:53:04,160
Speaker 4: get taughtalked about? The police and copaganda weaponizes victims victims

1199
00:53:04,239 --> 00:53:07,480
Speaker 4: stories without ever wanting to actually hear from victims because

1200
00:53:07,520 --> 00:53:09,160
Speaker 4: most of the people that you deal with in criminal

1201
00:53:09,200 --> 00:53:11,200
Speaker 4: system do not want this resolved that way. The ones

1202
00:53:11,239 --> 00:53:13,319
Speaker 4: that are the victims or the complainants are not trying

1203
00:53:13,360 --> 00:53:15,200
Speaker 4: to proceed but the case. And when I when I

1204
00:53:15,280 --> 00:53:17,359
Speaker 4: worked at the I worked interns for the DA's office

1205
00:53:17,360 --> 00:53:19,360
Speaker 4: in law school, what they would do and specifically the

1206
00:53:19,440 --> 00:53:21,399
Speaker 4: DV unit, it would be a lot of they would

1207
00:53:21,480 --> 00:53:24,680
Speaker 4: charge people, and the complainant, who who is the complainant

1208
00:53:24,800 --> 00:53:27,080
Speaker 4: or the victim in the case, is actively there like

1209
00:53:27,200 --> 00:53:29,400
Speaker 4: I don't want this case. I don't want a Kim

1210
00:53:29,440 --> 00:53:31,440
Speaker 4: criminal case. And a lot of the times the kid

1211
00:53:31,440 --> 00:53:33,560
Speaker 4: would be like this is usually somebody they have a

1212
00:53:33,600 --> 00:53:34,239
Speaker 4: relationship with.

1213
00:53:34,480 --> 00:53:34,879
Speaker 3: In DV.

1214
00:53:35,200 --> 00:53:37,320
Speaker 4: They'd be like, I want them to get counseling, or

1215
00:53:37,360 --> 00:53:38,880
Speaker 4: I want them to get therapy, or I want them

1216
00:53:38,920 --> 00:53:40,759
Speaker 4: to get some other thing. And the court and this

1217
00:53:40,880 --> 00:53:42,719
Speaker 4: is how they tricked them. They would tell them, oh,

1218
00:53:43,280 --> 00:53:45,359
Speaker 4: we can't do that, we can't do that, and less

1219
00:53:45,400 --> 00:53:48,280
Speaker 4: you sign this sign a supportant a position and agree

1220
00:53:48,320 --> 00:53:50,080
Speaker 4: to move forward with the case, and that's how we

1221
00:53:50,160 --> 00:53:52,719
Speaker 4: all offer them. Meanwhile, that's not what's gonna What they

1222
00:53:52,800 --> 00:53:54,800
Speaker 4: want to do is just sign a supportant a position

1223
00:53:54,880 --> 00:53:56,720
Speaker 4: so we could tell the court that this case is converted,

1224
00:53:56,800 --> 00:53:59,759
Speaker 4: that you've agreed for us to proceed and caned prosecute number.

1225
00:53:59,760 --> 00:54:03,560
Speaker 4: That's not with the conversation that they had with the complainant, right, Yeah.

1226
00:54:03,680 --> 00:54:08,279
Speaker 1: It feels like overall the big picture dynamic here is

1227
00:54:08,360 --> 00:54:11,080
Speaker 1: that they show us the worst case scenario, like our

1228
00:54:11,120 --> 00:54:14,720
Speaker 1: copaganda scripted shows show us when a police the police

1229
00:54:14,760 --> 00:54:18,760
Speaker 1: are running into a situation, you can damn well guarantee

1230
00:54:18,800 --> 00:54:21,319
Speaker 1: that situation is going to be fucked up and it's

1231
00:54:21,400 --> 00:54:24,120
Speaker 1: going to put them in danger and like that, even

1232
00:54:24,200 --> 00:54:26,840
Speaker 1: though like that's worse than ninety nine percent of the

1233
00:54:26,920 --> 00:54:31,399
Speaker 1: situations police are actually running into. And then so it's

1234
00:54:31,480 --> 00:54:37,040
Speaker 1: not surprising that when we like when decisions have to

1235
00:54:37,120 --> 00:54:40,600
Speaker 1: be made about like how to deal with conflicts, and

1236
00:54:40,680 --> 00:54:44,319
Speaker 1: these are like everyday conflicts, just disputes between people we've

1237
00:54:44,360 --> 00:54:48,279
Speaker 1: seen before that like these community level actions where it's

1238
00:54:48,360 --> 00:54:50,200
Speaker 1: like no, you just have like people who live in

1239
00:54:50,280 --> 00:54:53,560
Speaker 1: the neighborhood who are deputized to just go and like

1240
00:54:54,320 --> 00:54:58,359
Speaker 1: be a person to these people and like help them.

1241
00:54:58,880 --> 00:55:01,560
Speaker 1: That works much better. But because what we're seeing is

1242
00:55:01,600 --> 00:55:04,480
Speaker 1: the kapaganda and the worst case scenario, we're responding to

1243
00:55:04,600 --> 00:55:07,040
Speaker 1: every situation with the worst case scenario.

1244
00:55:07,680 --> 00:55:10,520
Speaker 4: And that's what the community is ask and in real life,

1245
00:55:10,520 --> 00:55:13,200
Speaker 4: the communities asks for community response. They asks for violence

1246
00:55:13,239 --> 00:55:16,400
Speaker 4: intervention and violence intervention methods, ask for counseling, asks for

1247
00:55:16,480 --> 00:55:18,399
Speaker 4: these kinds of things. And what happens is you get

1248
00:55:18,480 --> 00:55:20,279
Speaker 4: mayors like Eric Adams who are going to fund the

1249
00:55:20,280 --> 00:55:23,640
Speaker 4: community initiatives and put more money into the policing and

1250
00:55:23,719 --> 00:55:26,080
Speaker 4: then say and then and then presented to the public

1251
00:55:26,120 --> 00:55:29,279
Speaker 4: that already believes as this manufactured consent into this idea

1252
00:55:29,360 --> 00:55:31,680
Speaker 4: that policing is the only way to respond to crime,

1253
00:55:31,800 --> 00:55:34,520
Speaker 4: and that victims because they're watching nothing but copaganda all day.

1254
00:55:34,719 --> 00:55:36,480
Speaker 4: And then they tell them these are what the victims need.

1255
00:55:36,560 --> 00:55:38,760
Speaker 4: We care about the victims. These old, big bad advocate

1256
00:55:38,800 --> 00:55:41,319
Speaker 4: all these advocates just want people loose. They don't care

1257
00:55:41,320 --> 00:55:43,200
Speaker 4: about crime, they don't care about the community, they don't

1258
00:55:43,200 --> 00:55:43,840
Speaker 4: live in the community.

1259
00:55:43,920 --> 00:55:45,279
Speaker 3: YadA, YadA, YadA. That's what they come up with.

1260
00:55:45,800 --> 00:55:48,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, how do you feel about just the state of

1261
00:55:48,520 --> 00:55:53,520
Speaker 1: the the state of copaganda and the public's willingness to

1262
00:55:54,040 --> 00:55:56,799
Speaker 1: you know, it felt like at some points there were

1263
00:55:56,880 --> 00:55:59,799
Speaker 1: strides that were being made in terms of people being

1264
00:56:00,560 --> 00:56:04,040
Speaker 1: aware that the police are not an effective way of

1265
00:56:04,600 --> 00:56:08,840
Speaker 1: dealing with most communities. But then there's also been this

1266
00:56:09,080 --> 00:56:14,120
Speaker 1: mainstream media narrative where like I remember one of Alec

1267
00:56:14,200 --> 00:56:19,240
Speaker 1: CARRICKTT Sanus's email newsletters was about the way that random

1268
00:56:19,360 --> 00:56:24,480
Speaker 1: quotes get used in copaganda, and like this NPR article

1269
00:56:24,640 --> 00:56:28,960
Speaker 1: where they just quote a neighborhood kid being like, uh, yeah, man,

1270
00:56:29,000 --> 00:56:31,680
Speaker 1: People are like more willing to carry guns now and

1271
00:56:31,760 --> 00:56:34,640
Speaker 1: that's why more people are getting shot. And then defund

1272
00:56:34,719 --> 00:56:37,719
Speaker 1: the police, as he puts it. And yeah, you know,

1273
00:56:37,920 --> 00:56:41,319
Speaker 1: Alex was pointing out, we never defunded the police. First

1274
00:56:41,360 --> 00:56:44,120
Speaker 1: of all, they are at all time highs right now.

1275
00:56:44,560 --> 00:56:48,399
Speaker 1: But the way that the like the mainstream narrative came

1276
00:56:48,480 --> 00:56:53,359
Speaker 1: down to us was police got defunded and crime went up.

1277
00:56:53,680 --> 00:56:56,359
Speaker 3: It's really infuriated. How to get to lie? Yeah, yeah,

1278
00:56:56,440 --> 00:56:57,760
Speaker 3: you just get they get to bold.

1279
00:56:57,920 --> 00:56:59,719
Speaker 4: Like. That's the thing that's so infuriating, right is when

1280
00:56:59,760 --> 00:57:02,719
Speaker 4: you're when you're an advocated gangst policing and mass incarceration,

1281
00:57:02,800 --> 00:57:04,680
Speaker 4: you could be a whole expert, you can be an attorney, you.

1282
00:57:04,719 --> 00:57:05,200
Speaker 3: Can be whatever.

1283
00:57:05,560 --> 00:57:08,920
Speaker 4: You have to cite every fucking word you say. You

1284
00:57:09,000 --> 00:57:12,000
Speaker 4: have to cite every word. Meanwhile, they can just bull

1285
00:57:12,120 --> 00:57:14,680
Speaker 4: face lie and even when people even when they are lying,

1286
00:57:14,840 --> 00:57:16,840
Speaker 4: just lying and being caught in lies. The best you

1287
00:57:16,880 --> 00:57:18,800
Speaker 4: could get people to do is call it misinformation. They

1288
00:57:18,880 --> 00:57:20,640
Speaker 4: never call it what it is, which is a just

1289
00:57:20,760 --> 00:57:25,160
Speaker 4: lying manufacturing things all the time. But I would say this,

1290
00:57:25,960 --> 00:57:28,720
Speaker 4: people have been that's not new, right, like coppaganda. It

1291
00:57:28,720 --> 00:57:31,560
Speaker 4: has been when people are fed and indoctrinated to believe

1292
00:57:31,600 --> 00:57:33,200
Speaker 4: in so many ways. It's not even just like shows

1293
00:57:33,200 --> 00:57:35,600
Speaker 4: and media in terms. At this point, we have generations

1294
00:57:35,640 --> 00:57:37,960
Speaker 4: and generations and generations and generations of people that have

1295
00:57:38,040 --> 00:57:40,160
Speaker 4: been raised in this world that believes that and has

1296
00:57:40,200 --> 00:57:42,360
Speaker 4: to reinforce in so many respects. I mean, just down

1297
00:57:42,400 --> 00:57:44,480
Speaker 4: to being a lot kid and you play cops and robbers,

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Speaker 4: you know what I mean, It's a regular game who's

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Speaker 4: the good, who's the bad?

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Speaker 3: Right, Like, That's what it is.

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Speaker 4: So when you think about that, in the magnitude of

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Speaker 4: the problem and just how deep it goes, I think

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Speaker 4: we are the fact that we even have people where

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Speaker 4: that are regularly critiquing it at all, that there is

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Speaker 4: even a quite the fact that is even a term,

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Speaker 4: you know what I mean, that people can embrace, and

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Speaker 4: there is a world of there's at least becoming an

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Speaker 4: anti like an antithesis to this.

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Speaker 3: This true crime propaganda movement is us moving, moving, incredibly,

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Speaker 3: moving so much forward. I don't think I don't think

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Speaker 3: there's a reason to be deterred, but to feel like

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Speaker 3: it's getting worse because I would not expect that from

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Speaker 3: twenty twenty to twenty twenty four, in four years that

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Speaker 3: we would have undone like one hundred years of being

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Speaker 3: you know what I mean fed support the state.

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Speaker 1: Sure, yeah, I mean and that just the wild irony

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Speaker 1: is that the thing that like in retrospect, the statistical

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Speaker 1: analysis of what caused some place that some locations that

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Speaker 1: have a spiking crime during the pandemic was the freezing

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Speaker 1: of like these community based programs that right were actually

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Speaker 1: that are actually effective. That are the thing that like

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Speaker 1: if you do a very small spend on those like

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Speaker 1: as opposed to the massive number of resources that are

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Speaker 1: being demanded by the police for yes, in response to

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Speaker 1: people just suggesting that they maybe be funded a little less.

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Speaker 4: What I find frustrating for me is that why when

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Speaker 4: crime like the whole not only do they manufacture crime

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Speaker 4: waves right like they pretend they manufacture them, but less

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Speaker 4: pretend it even is true. Why is that not an

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Speaker 4: indictment of them. I'll never understand why when crime is up,

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Speaker 4: people act like that's that's becomes the plight of people

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Speaker 4: like me. Never once, nowhere, ever have they ever enacted

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Speaker 4: my policy once. There's no place in America that has said, ah,

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Speaker 4: let's defund the police and reinvest in the community.

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Speaker 3: Is and make that what we do.

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Speaker 4: That's not that's not what they do everywhere. If you're

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Speaker 4: looking at a place like New York City, I don't know,

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Speaker 4: that's not why it's crime. People who want to at me,

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Speaker 4: excuse me. We have the biggest police department in the country.

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Speaker 4: There's thirty six thousand and up. They have eleven billion dollars. Okay,

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Speaker 4: so if someone's fucking up, it's them, right Yo, what

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Speaker 4: are they trying the same thing?

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Speaker 2: No?

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Speaker 4: So that's what I wish is I wish that people

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Speaker 4: would look at them feeling unsafe. If you feel unsafe

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Speaker 4: or you feel like crime is a problem, who is

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Speaker 4: that the fault of if not the people that you

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Speaker 4: have put in charge of and the methods you've been trying.

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Speaker 4: And people will tell you they care so so much

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Speaker 4: about crime, but yet all they ever want to do

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Speaker 4: is do exactly what they've been doing, because they'll be

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Speaker 4: like someontime this to me today, like, oh, all that

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Speaker 4: you're saying might be true, but people speak people. People

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Speaker 4: are scared. They need something done now. First of all,

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Speaker 4: just because you want an overnight solution doesn't mean there.

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Speaker 3: Is one crime.

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Speaker 4: Crime and crime, poverty and the systemic realities and the

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Speaker 4: root causes of crime didn't just happen overnight. They'll these

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Speaker 4: things have been being put into place for generations, in

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Speaker 4: a long period of time. And the same way you

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Speaker 4: were willing to invest, you're willing to keep trying police,

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Speaker 4: keep trying to invest in that. You will invest in

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Speaker 4: police every year. That's not a problem, and you act

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Speaker 4: to you, that's a full proof idea. That is an

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Speaker 4: expansive idea. Just give more money to the police. But

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Speaker 4: if I say give more money to the community, suddenly

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Speaker 4: that's some fucking radical mythical shit, right, right.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, And there's no and nothing empirically to

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Speaker 2: suggest that all this money being spent is actually rendering

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Speaker 2: result that's positive.

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Speaker 3: Like you look at the way, how many police do

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Speaker 3: you need to feel safe?

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Speaker 2: Right exactly. And it's funny because any in any other

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Speaker 2: dimension of a person's life, the logic is always like

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Speaker 2: like if anything is like how much they paying that

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Speaker 2: guy to do that terrible job. No, no, no, that's

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Speaker 2: not gonna work. Or sports, how much money they play,

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Speaker 2: like how much they how much they paying for players?

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Speaker 2: How much do they spend on like signing a player?

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Speaker 2: And they still suck. No, no, no, something's got to

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Speaker 2: work out different. But in this instance, it's just like no.

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Speaker 2: I honestly the thinking ends at I don't know, just

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Speaker 2: more money, I guess, because it's just so hard to

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Speaker 2: be in the shift course away from something like that.

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Speaker 2: And it's wild because there's nothing that's showing us that

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Speaker 2: with all the money that's being spent, it's not solving anything.

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Speaker 2: So what is the counter argument?

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Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, it's just very like old brain, like pre

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Speaker 1: you know, pre advanced brain, thinking of fight or flight,

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Speaker 1: and people just going dumb immediately, and then obviously a

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Speaker 1: great deal of white supremacy mixed in there. Yes, ye,

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Speaker 1: well allow me. I feel like we could talk to

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Speaker 1: you about this for hours. What a pleasure having you

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Speaker 1: on the show. Where can people find you? Follow you,

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Speaker 1: hear more from you?

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Speaker 4: You should subscribe to my YouTube channel Illerinati. I have

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Speaker 4: a lot of great content lined up. I'm getting ready

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Speaker 4: to put out a big expos on Greg Abbott, so

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Speaker 4: I'm excited about that, like the one I put out

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Speaker 4: in Eric Adams. Yeah, someone Texas's ass, So do that

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Speaker 4: N thank you amazing.

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Speaker 1: Is there a work of media that you've been enjoying?

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Speaker 1: We heard what you thought about mister and missus Smith.

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Speaker 1: What is there anything enjoying?

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Speaker 4: I actually I started Avatar or the cartoon for the

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Speaker 4: first time. My boyfriends in the Avatar. I started watching Avatar,

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Speaker 4: and I see the hype. I see y'all, even though

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Speaker 4: I started watching it because people were complain about the

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Speaker 4: Avatar show, saying it's too much exposition. But I'm here

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Speaker 4: to tell y'all, babies that the cartoon is full of

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Speaker 4: exposition and not the best dialogue too, like perhaps your childhood.

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Speaker 3: You're remembering this a little bit diferendic because it's a cartoon.

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Speaker 1: Win.

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Speaker 4: I'm like, oh, the everything is filled with that.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, Avatar, Yeah, I liked that.

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Speaker 1: I got I got that recommendation during the pandemic. Can

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Speaker 1: I spent some of the pandemic watching them? That's good,

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Speaker 1: it's good. Miles. Where can people find you as their

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Speaker 1: working media you've been enjoying?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, followed me at Miles of Gray wherever they serve

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Speaker 2: at symbols. If you like basketball, check Jack and I

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Speaker 2: out on Miles and Jack on Matt Booth Spois and

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Speaker 2: if you like ninety day Fiance, I'm chatting that ship

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Speaker 2: over at four to twenty day Fiance.

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Speaker 3: You know, like the and you know what's going You

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Speaker 3: have the channel for ninety day Fiance. I love ninety Fiance.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you have a podcast called four twenty Day Fiance. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: it's a good time. It's a good time. So a

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Speaker 2: tweet I like. Josh Gondleman at Josh Gondleman tweeted, it's

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Speaker 2: fascinating to me how people sometimes roll their eyes at

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Speaker 2: impressions as comedy, but impressions as drama consistently wins Oscars.

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Speaker 2: Yeah wow, good point. And then also at Cardamom, Kissed

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Speaker 2: tweeted she died what she loved walking into the road

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Speaker 2: while saying pedestrians have right of way.

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Speaker 1: Tweet I've been enjoying. Rob den Blacker tweeted about the

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Speaker 1: Oscars Is Oppenheimer Godzilla minus one the first time a

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Speaker 1: movie and a sequel both one Oscars in the same

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Speaker 1: year or so. It's pretty clever, Pretty clever.

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Speaker 4: Rob.

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Speaker 1: You can find me on Twitter at Jack Underscore. Obrian

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Speaker 1: we post our episodes and our footnote where we link

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Speaker 1: off to the information that we talked about in today's episode. Well,

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Speaker 1: it's a song that we think you might enjoy, Miles,

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Speaker 1: what song do you think people might enjoy?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a new track out from Fred again, one

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Speaker 2: of you know the producers of the year really featuring

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Speaker 2: Lil YACHTI and it's called stay in It. One word

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Speaker 2: st a y I n it and it's just like

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Speaker 2: it just feels like a massive, you know, party jam.

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Speaker 2: I have a feeling it's going to be played a

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Speaker 2: lot this summer. But just get your just get your energy,

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Speaker 2: distract stand Fred again. Yeah, we will link off to

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Speaker 2: that in the footnotes.

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Speaker 1: or wherever you listen to your favorite shows. That is

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Speaker 1: gonna do it for us this morning. We are back

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Speaker 1: this afternoon to tell you what is trendy and we

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Speaker 1: will talk to you all then Bye.

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Speaker 2: Bye,