Speaker 1: And then after like day four or five, when I
Speaker 1: realized that ain't nobody cutting on, nobody coming. That's just
Speaker 1: when that's when I had to start this. Did you
Speaker 1: all emotions? Did you cry? Did you ever cry a
Speaker 1: trap for two weeks straight? Yeah? My wife to say
Speaker 1: I cried to trap for two weeks straight. All my life,
Speaker 1: the grinding all my life, sacrifice, hustle back price, Want
Speaker 1: a slice? Got the broll dice to swad all my life?
Speaker 1: I've been grinding in all my life, all my life,
Speaker 1: and grinding all my life, sacrifice, hustle back prices, Want
Speaker 1: a slice? Got the broll dice to swad all my life?
Speaker 1: I've been grinding in all my life. Hello, welcome to
Speaker 1: another additional Club Sha Shake. I am your host. I'm
Speaker 1: also the proud of Club Sha Shake. And the guy
Speaker 1: that's stopping by for conversation and a drink today is
Speaker 1: one of the NFL's most electrifying players. He transformed the
Speaker 1: quarterback position. He's the first African American quarterback to be
Speaker 1: selected number one overall, the first quarterback to rush for
Speaker 1: one thousand yards of the season, and he still holds
Speaker 1: the record for the most rush yards by a quarterback
Speaker 1: with over makes you one hundred. You knew him for
Speaker 1: having the Michael Vick experience, Mike Bick, Mike got you
Speaker 1: doing brouh Hey, bro, you know you go by the club.
Speaker 1: You know, we gotta we gotta toast this day. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we gotta toast this and a drunk half for him
Speaker 1: win in early. So you know, that's that's what that's
Speaker 1: why I'm here. Oh, I appreciate that experience. So how
Speaker 1: you doing doing great? Shake? Life is good kids, good family,
Speaker 1: good wife, good and uh, you know, enjoying my time
Speaker 1: as as a as a sports analyst. Man. And what's
Speaker 1: the typical day like for Michael Vick? Yep? You wake
Speaker 1: up at what time? You know? I'm so blessed, man.
Speaker 1: I wake up at six thirty. Okay, I wake up
Speaker 1: at six thirty. My oldest daughter just started driving to school,
Speaker 1: which is you know, not a night man, but it's
Speaker 1: you know, it's a maturity price, right and so yeah,
Speaker 1: so I take my my my youngest daughter to school
Speaker 1: at like seven thirty. And then from now I'm up.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm trying to figure out, like what's the
Speaker 1: next line of business if I got to go come
Speaker 1: on the show with you guys. If I go, gotta
Speaker 1: do speak and and and then from there, my my
Speaker 1: youngest son is in school, so I pick him up
Speaker 1: and I get a chance to experience what life is
Speaker 1: like as as a dad, truly. And when I retired,
Speaker 1: that's what I wanted. I wanted to make up for
Speaker 1: all that lost time. Do your kids understand who you are?
Speaker 1: Maybe how how old were they when you were playing?
Speaker 1: They get an opportunity to experience any of the Mike
Speaker 1: michael Vick experience. They did, but they was young. I
Speaker 1: would say they was around I retired in twenty fifteen,
Speaker 1: so Sadam might have been nine, my oldest summer's eleven.
Speaker 1: And so they seen it and they got they got
Speaker 1: the feeling, they got the Pittsburgh they didn't really get.
Speaker 1: They didn't get they didn't they didn't get that, which
Speaker 1: is something that is a blessing and the curse. But
Speaker 1: now they see the aftermath and the like. It leave
Speaker 1: him wondering. But I tried to cut on YouTube and
Speaker 1: all that here and there, but I don't want to
Speaker 1: hear that shit. My youngest son, he five years old.
Speaker 1: I tried to cut you. This was daddy, This is daddy.
Speaker 1: He looked at it and he'd go off to something else.
Speaker 1: So I'm hoping one day football stick or he gravitated
Speaker 1: to it a little bit right with you know, like
Speaker 1: young players when they shoot the ball, they like Kobe
Speaker 1: Ye with any quarterback takeoff running the first thing they
Speaker 1: haullered mane a joke, A man, that was a bit
Speaker 1: How did that make you feel that you're like you're revered,
Speaker 1: Like you're revered. Uh, it makes me feel good, Shannon,
Speaker 1: because it was a time in my career where I
Speaker 1: started to feel like out my style of play wasn't
Speaker 1: it wasn't gonna sustain right, and you know, I got
Speaker 1: criticized for it to a certain degree, and I just
Speaker 1: started to go through that phase of man, I gotta
Speaker 1: become a true pocket passer. And it was in Atlanta
Speaker 1: my coaches encouraged me, Greg now rest in peace, a
Speaker 1: gym Moore, just be yourself. Continue to be yourself. It's
Speaker 1: a great way to play the game. I always start
Speaker 1: just moving the chains, and you know, by any means
Speaker 1: necessary was the way to get it done. And then
Speaker 1: it wasn't until I got the Andy. And I always
Speaker 1: wanted to play with Andy for Andy, because I've seen
Speaker 1: the way he handled Donovan right and they had some
Speaker 1: great years. And he's like, look, man, you just take
Speaker 1: what you got and you just build on it. And
Speaker 1: from that point when I got to Dy in two
Speaker 1: thousand and nine, I was I'm just going with it.
Speaker 1: I'm just going with it. When you were in Atlanta,
Speaker 1: did you did you ever try to suppress who you
Speaker 1: were naturally as far as running the football? You're like,
Speaker 1: you know what, man, y'all beat me up and running
Speaker 1: the football. Y'all say, I can't read a defense, and
Speaker 1: so I just take off running that everything that I'm
Speaker 1: getting is because of my leg Did you actually suppress
Speaker 1: some a little bit of who you were as a
Speaker 1: running quarterback to try to prove to everybody I can
Speaker 1: throw the ball from the pocket. Absolutely. It was a
Speaker 1: game in two thousand and five. I had an MCL injury.
Speaker 1: I was playing. Probably shouldn't have been out in the field,
Speaker 1: and I told myself, I'm use this moment to show
Speaker 1: that I can pass the football. Right say, when I
Speaker 1: say I went out, I'm gonna go back and look
Speaker 1: at the stats. But maybe we can look it up. Man.
Speaker 1: I probably passed for three fifty went like twenty eight
Speaker 1: for thirty four. One of them days, I was hot.
Speaker 1: I was spilling it and I went to the podium
Speaker 1: afterwards and I it was, I was, it was very
Speaker 1: immature that for me to go off on the media,
Speaker 1: because I mean it was no need to go off
Speaker 1: on a tangent with them. I was younger, and I
Speaker 1: was like suppressing what I you know, what I did best,
Speaker 1: and so I just let him have it. That day.
Speaker 1: I was, you know, don't ever say I can't pass
Speaker 1: the football from the pocket ever again. And now I'm
Speaker 1: going back to being me. I'm going back to being
Speaker 1: a dual threat. And uh, I just wanted to prove that.
Speaker 1: So it was always something that you know, it's always
Speaker 1: something that push you, which is a good thing, right,
Speaker 1: and it was all for the better, I know, and
Speaker 1: which you know goes back to what you just talked about.
Speaker 1: What you just said. You know, now when people mentioned
Speaker 1: a great run or see a great run, they mentioned
Speaker 1: in me. And that's because now I had the people
Speaker 1: around me to say, keep doing what you do. Right.
Speaker 1: When I look at you, everybody was like, man, when
Speaker 1: are we gonna see that? Michael Vick in Atlanta that
Speaker 1: we saw at Virginia Tech. A guy that could a
Speaker 1: broken play that he could get off script. They called
Speaker 1: the play he could get off that script and go
Speaker 1: hit his head on the gold post. I think it
Speaker 1: was the Minnesota game. It was the Minnesota game, but
Speaker 1: it was your coach, real former coach Dan rest So
Speaker 1: Dan Reese, and I was at the I was at
Speaker 1: the Fiendal when you gave an amazing speech talking about coach.
Speaker 1: I was in the back crying, honestly, and uh, coach
Speaker 1: was just he had a way with me, funny stories.
Speaker 1: I never wanted to play for Dan Rees. I watching
Speaker 1: him as a kid. I watched him go off on
Speaker 1: John and he was tough. He was tough. He was tough.
Speaker 1: But by the time I got to him, you know,
Speaker 1: and it was ironic he drafted me, he was lighthearted. Yep,
Speaker 1: you know, he showed a different emotion. He was like,
Speaker 1: took baby steps with me, and uh, you know, he
Speaker 1: he gave me the confidence and his play calling was
Speaker 1: catered towards my ability. Like what I've seen I seen
Speaker 1: justin fields yesterday and I've seen Daniel Jones. Jones, Yeah,
Speaker 1: doing like a sweet, like an eighteen sweet, right, quarterback
Speaker 1: swite generic right, and he was doing that type of
Speaker 1: stuff with me in two thousand and two. So I mean,
Speaker 1: just just great times, great memories. When you see these
Speaker 1: young quarterbacks. You mentioned Justin Fields, Daniel Jones say, nicknamed
Speaker 1: the Vanilla. You see the Lamar Jackson, you see the
Speaker 1: advent of the quarterback and now legs, it's not criticized
Speaker 1: as much as it was when you were played. Now
Speaker 1: it's embraced. Man. You see with Justin Fields, he just
Speaker 1: had back to back games, he had three hundred fifty yards.
Speaker 1: You see what records and all that. Right, do you
Speaker 1: wish had it been embraced more when you were played,
Speaker 1: You think you would have been more receptive to it
Speaker 1: and said, you know what, this is who I am.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna embrace it. I'm gonna add the passing ability
Speaker 1: from the pocket. But this was what I believe that
Speaker 1: can help lead a team to a super Bowl or
Speaker 1: just or even if I could just vent and say
Speaker 1: give me some time, right, give me some time grow. Right,
Speaker 1: I'm coming out of offense in college where it was
Speaker 1: run oriented R and then you know we didn't pass
Speaker 1: it a lot. I still led the nation and passing
Speaker 1: the efficiency. So I knew how to play keep away
Speaker 1: right and keep the ball away from the defense. And
Speaker 1: so as those years, you know, and it all starts
Speaker 1: when you started losing, right, when you lose games, you
Speaker 1: drop a couple of games. And then I got injured
Speaker 1: trying to run the ball, and so it's all these
Speaker 1: things circulating. If you if you don't stop running the ball,
Speaker 1: you're not gonna have longevity. I got all these things
Speaker 1: in my head when I just wanted to play football, right,
Speaker 1: they let me just play my style of football. They
Speaker 1: fired and Dan Reeves in two thousand and three after
Speaker 1: a win ironically, which was crazy, and so now I
Speaker 1: got to pick up the pieces. Now, then they bring
Speaker 1: in the West Coast system, which we was both in, right,
Speaker 1: and so that they brung that into teaching me how
Speaker 1: to be a passer right. You know, Rich McKay's out
Speaker 1: there when he hired Jim More and they brung in
Speaker 1: great ignapping those guys. And so now I'm forced to
Speaker 1: learn the West con system. But I'm still in the
Speaker 1: back of my mind like if all this fails and
Speaker 1: break down, I'm gonna I'm gonna take off and have it.
Speaker 1: Whatever criticism I gotta deal with I'm gonna deal with it, right,
Speaker 1: and I just and I left it at that, and
Speaker 1: I made the Pro Bowl that year, yea. And then
Speaker 1: the next year, you know, you know, sometimes you peek,
Speaker 1: and then you started digress, right, and so and so
Speaker 1: we're regressed. And in two thousand and five, and then
Speaker 1: now he comes to rumbles, he comes to whispers. You know,
Speaker 1: you can't be a running you can't do it both.
Speaker 1: You can't be a duel threat. I run for a
Speaker 1: thousand yards or old six. But we still we don't
Speaker 1: make the playoffs. Right, So now it's like some gotta give.
Speaker 1: And then and then I never made it to the
Speaker 1: two thousand and seven, my seventh season, two thousand and seven,
Speaker 1: because I end up going to prison. But what happened was, say,
Speaker 1: Bobby Petrino came with his offense right, and man, when
Speaker 1: I say I was, I was about to light the
Speaker 1: league up in two thousand and seven, I just never
Speaker 1: made Lamar Jackson was the Hi. Yes, yes, and we
Speaker 1: was about to run it in the NFL. It was
Speaker 1: about to get crazy. Go back. You did something that
Speaker 1: no other team had ever done. You went to lambeau
Speaker 1: Field and beat the Packers and a home playoff game
Speaker 1: that raised the bar from Mike Vick, because think about
Speaker 1: all those other great teams that have gone through, all
Speaker 1: those other great quarterbacks have gone to Lambo and taste
Speaker 1: the defeat in the playoffs. Pickcume, Michael Vick, that might
Speaker 1: have been what two thousand and second season. When you
Speaker 1: go into your second season, now you have to be
Speaker 1: first of all to get to the playoffs. You gotta
Speaker 1: go to Cleveland. You beat Cleveland, and Cleveland Cleveland, well, yeah,
Speaker 1: we we beat Cleveland. It was a crazy clean Yeah,
Speaker 1: you're crazy within a couple of games at the end
Speaker 1: just to make the playoff. That I learned in that game.
Speaker 1: You know, all the guys, you know, we're playing in Cleveland,
Speaker 1: no sleeves, no sleeves, gotta be tough, all this whole
Speaker 1: you know, tough guys type. And uh I froze frozen.
Speaker 1: I'm like never again. So that next week in Green Based,
Speaker 1: I'm warm, right, I'm ready to go when we blasting right,
Speaker 1: we marched up in there and Shay and it it
Speaker 1: was I never say the game was easy that night.
Speaker 1: It was like, you know, and it's a sense of calm, right,
Speaker 1: And then you like emotionally, you you're not. Really, it's
Speaker 1: no anxiety with the underdogs. But we already you know
Speaker 1: there's Brent Father on the other side, So I'm I'm
Speaker 1: ecstatic to be going up against him, right, I'm like, man,
Speaker 1: I get to go against my childhood hero right to
Speaker 1: some degree. And uh man, we waxing him that night though,
Speaker 1: right we got to him. I look at Lamar Jackson,
Speaker 1: and Lamar Jackson, I think he compares favorably to you,
Speaker 1: not just because he's a black quarterback, but his ability
Speaker 1: to throw the football. I think he might be a
Speaker 1: little better passor to you, especially at this stage of
Speaker 1: his career. You said that you believe Lamar is a
Speaker 1: more dynamic runner than you are. I don't know about that, Mike.
Speaker 1: Uh you know, I made it. I made a comment
Speaker 1: when he was in college and college it was just
Speaker 1: one of them days when I'm sitting there and watching
Speaker 1: him and I'm like, hold on, I played against Florida
Speaker 1: State in the National Championship. I gave him work, right,
Speaker 1: but he was just like he was. He was toying
Speaker 1: with him. I'm just playing with him. It looked effortless,
Speaker 1: it looked easy and Bob Vitrino was the coach, and
Speaker 1: I'm like, I just I just had to say it, right,
Speaker 1: And it was almost like I was waiting to see
Speaker 1: something like this, right. I never thought I would see
Speaker 1: somebody who looked like me ever again. But then in
Speaker 1: the back of my mind and like that can't be possible,
Speaker 1: Like you know, God working mysterious ways, somebody gonna come along.
Speaker 1: So as I'm watching Lamar, I'm really trying to push
Speaker 1: the envelope for him, like he needed to play it
Speaker 1: on the next I can't wait to see him on
Speaker 1: the next level in today's time and today's offenses. That
Speaker 1: what he would look like now. And he ended up
Speaker 1: getting drafted to Baltimore. And you know, are you surprised
Speaker 1: that people wanted to change positions, That they wanted him
Speaker 1: to be a wide receiver, They wanted him to be
Speaker 1: something other than the quarterback. Although the man had won
Speaker 1: the Heidsman Trophy, had a better year his third year
Speaker 1: than he had the year that he won the Heisman,
Speaker 1: and people still say, nah, we hadn't seen enough. We
Speaker 1: want you to try a position. But to his credit,
Speaker 1: to his mom credit, he said, nah, I'm a quarterback.
Speaker 1: She said, my son is a quarterback, and if you
Speaker 1: don't want to draft him at that position, that's your choice.
Speaker 1: But he'll only play quarterback, absolutely I did. I did
Speaker 1: some interviews for Garden Lamar leading up to the draft,
Speaker 1: right and I told a reporter who said it to me,
Speaker 1: that's the stupidest thing I ever heard. I can't remember
Speaker 1: who it was, when network, what outlet, but I told him,
Speaker 1: that's the stupidest thing I ever heard. If this guy
Speaker 1: don't play quarterback in the National Football League to be
Speaker 1: a tragedy, tragedy and whether he went like I don't
Speaker 1: care which y'all talking him. If he don't go in
Speaker 1: the first, second, and third, and that's cool. If you
Speaker 1: who I said, whoever draft him in the fifth, sixth,
Speaker 1: seventh round him, that's what y'all think, don't get a gym.
Speaker 1: And he'll eventually become one of the best quarterbacks in
Speaker 1: the National Football because you know you got You can
Speaker 1: look at some guys and you know he's instinctive. He's
Speaker 1: gonna know how to maneuver the pocket and work it.
Speaker 1: He's gotta get with offensive coordinator who can mode him.
Speaker 1: I think the best thing for Lamar was getting drafted
Speaker 1: to Baltimore and Marty morning Wigg was there. He was
Speaker 1: a disciple of Andy Reid West Coast System, so he
Speaker 1: got to learn protect since and because what Marty the
Speaker 1: OLC when you were in Marty was the OCIE when
Speaker 1: I was in Fieling. Okay, yep, and Andy was was
Speaker 1: the overseers and and and so on and so forth.
Speaker 1: But he got the chance to get a great understanding
Speaker 1: of offenses. Right. So the contract they offered him a contract,
Speaker 1: it wasn't too his liking. He seed the contract out there.
Speaker 1: He seed DeShawn Watson's contract two hundred and fifty million guaranteed.
Speaker 1: Deshaun Watson is a phenomenal player, but I don't believe
Speaker 1: he's accomplished as much as in the NFL as Lamar
Speaker 1: has Lamar is a unanimous MVP. Yeah. Lamar is a
Speaker 1: multiple time Pro Bowl player. He's won a playoff game,
Speaker 1: gotten his team to the playoffs several times. He's like,
Speaker 1: you know what he said, Now my contract is dry.
Speaker 1: I'm on the last page, the last chapter, the punctuation
Speaker 1: of my contract. DeShawn had years left on his contract
Speaker 1: and Cleveland tore it up. Yeah, He's like, how would
Speaker 1: you have approached that situation. They come to you now,
Speaker 1: they offer you more money than you ever thought you'd
Speaker 1: ever made. And he said, Noah, I'm worth more than that.
Speaker 1: And you know, the NFL season is a land mine.
Speaker 1: One wrong step and something goes do And he said,
Speaker 1: you know what, because I'm willing to roll the dice.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna bet on me. And at the end of
Speaker 1: the year, yesterday's prices, fat, Joe say, is not today's
Speaker 1: price exactly? What if you if I don't know, if
Speaker 1: you talk to him, if you could advise Lamar, how
Speaker 1: would you have advised him in that situation? I understand
Speaker 1: I would have advised them in terms of like I
Speaker 1: understand the business acmen and its whole situation like it
Speaker 1: it makes sense for you to get the most money
Speaker 1: that you can possibly make in this game because, like
Speaker 1: you say, one false movie, season, end career, can it
Speaker 1: be ended injury? And then you know you may get
Speaker 1: treated in a certain way, and so that's that's logical,
Speaker 1: that's that that could become fat. But one, I think
Speaker 1: Cleveland made that move to make it hard for Baltimore. Two,
Speaker 1: When you when you accept this type of money versus
Speaker 1: based on cap space, and the one thing that it
Speaker 1: becomes a real issue is that it's hard to sign
Speaker 1: other guys. Man, it's hard to keep teams together. You're
Speaker 1: gonna eventually have to restructure. I restructure, yeah, but guaranteed.
Speaker 1: But man, you can't go out now. Now limits your
Speaker 1: chances to me, limits the chances of going out and
Speaker 1: getting the championship. But let me tell you what Lamar said.
Speaker 1: Lamar said, after I won the MVP the third year,
Speaker 1: y'all could have came to they could have did it then,
Speaker 1: they could have got it done. Came to me, y'all
Speaker 1: could have done something. I understand. I thought that said
Speaker 1: y'all didn't believe He said, y'all didn't believe it. God did, right, DJA.
Speaker 1: Because that's the thing what we're saying now is that
Speaker 1: when teams were laving their quarterbacks. We saw with my homes,
Speaker 1: we saw with Josh Allen, even we saw it with
Speaker 1: Sean when they believe in that quarterback. After that third year,
Speaker 1: even in Houston, yeah, they would they go give you
Speaker 1: the money because they believe in you, because they didn't.
Speaker 1: The man had an MVP. Yeah, he had an MVP,
Speaker 1: ananimous MVP only two players in the history ever won unanimously.
Speaker 1: So he said, so, what else do I need to do?
Speaker 1: I would have now at that in that moment, I
Speaker 1: probably would have got with my reps and went to
Speaker 1: the went to the table right there, and they like,
Speaker 1: let's just get this out of the way because it's
Speaker 1: gonna be a bigger issue next year, right, And that
Speaker 1: didn't happen, So, you know, right, having the right representation
Speaker 1: and all that at the right time, timing is everything,
Speaker 1: and a lot of these well, his representation is his
Speaker 1: mom is he is, his mom is handling with him,
Speaker 1: help from the NFL. Yeah, yeah, yeah, which I respect.
Speaker 1: I respect that, and uh, but it's just heart because
Speaker 1: you know, look, when you've been in contract negotiation, the
Speaker 1: team's gonna tell you everything that you're not right, and
Speaker 1: sometimes it gets personal. And the one thing I don't want,
Speaker 1: don't you tell your agent. Your agent doesn't tell you
Speaker 1: all the things bad that they say about you. Right,
Speaker 1: he keep because he knows you're human. Human. Ellen is
Speaker 1: gonna come into a place. Oh that's what y'all think
Speaker 1: about me, y'all. Y'all don't think I'm good as this guy.
Speaker 1: Y'all don't think I'm that bad as that guy. I
Speaker 1: could get biff And so now you go in there,
Speaker 1: you're huffing and puffing. Yeah. Yeah, this is the one
Speaker 1: thing I would say about my agent, Joel's secure. Shout
Speaker 1: out to Joey. It's like could people. It's like a
Speaker 1: father figure to me. Joe used to have me sometimes
Speaker 1: in the room doing contract negotiations just so I can
Speaker 1: hear some of the things that's being said. Whether I
Speaker 1: like that or not. He's like, you're gonna sit right here,
Speaker 1: You're gonna know all the reasons why I can't get
Speaker 1: something done right. Well, I can't get something done. So
Speaker 1: when I think about repence tation in this sense, I
Speaker 1: think you need that professionalism on some levels so that
Speaker 1: you don't have to ask for everything right, you don't
Speaker 1: have to hear certain things right. That's the only thing
Speaker 1: I think could have been different in this case. But nevertheless,
Speaker 1: he's gonna get the money. It's gonna happen. Whether it
Speaker 1: comes from Baltimore. They'll be fool a fool if they don't.
Speaker 1: You get good quarterback and it's hard to find, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know that. So it's gonna happen for him. Man,
Speaker 1: It's just all about where, and I hope it's in
Speaker 1: Baltimore because I see, I feel see a championship in
Speaker 1: their future. Right, they do it right. When you look
Speaker 1: at that, you look at Lamar, look at Jalen Hurts,
Speaker 1: you look at Justin Fields, Deshaun. Deshaun is not is
Speaker 1: not as mobile, but he can run. He's more of
Speaker 1: a pocket passer when you look at when you look
Speaker 1: at a guy, take a guy like a Jalen Hurts
Speaker 1: and you see where he's come from. Second round pick
Speaker 1: goes to feel a people like, well, hold on, y'all
Speaker 1: just gave Carson Wentz all this money. Why would you
Speaker 1: take a quarterback? They saw something, clearly, they saw something.
Speaker 1: This kid's a winner, right, he has tremendous intangibles. Right,
Speaker 1: He's a tremendous he's off the chart leader. He maybe
Speaker 1: doesn't have the biggest arm, doesn't have the best accuracy,
Speaker 1: but there's something to be said about a guy that
Speaker 1: knows how to win and he can get his team
Speaker 1: to rally behind him. That's something I don't believe Carson
Speaker 1: Wentz was ever able to do it in Philly. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think I think attitude is everything. Man, Just having
Speaker 1: a chance to sit down with Jayden a couple of
Speaker 1: weeks ago to hear him speak about direction right, not
Speaker 1: just not just for him, but the team is like, Man,
Speaker 1: I'm willing to get up at six in the morning.
Speaker 1: I'm willing to come in early, go in the weight room,
Speaker 1: get some extra treatment, and go watch the film and
Speaker 1: get with the guys and have a good time in
Speaker 1: the locker room and go watch some more film. It's
Speaker 1: like the dedication to a certain degree, you know, lead
Speaker 1: will always lead to success, yes, And I think if
Speaker 1: you just some in some cases, if you just keep
Speaker 1: your head down and keep grinding, good things come to
Speaker 1: those who wait. You know. Sometimes you know you can
Speaker 1: wait too long and you get the leftovers. But hey,
Speaker 1: if you're at the forefront of it of it and
Speaker 1: they believe in you, you gotta you always got a shot.
Speaker 1: And I think he's a guy that he's been through
Speaker 1: so much chess that he's embraced that role, right you know.
Speaker 1: And it's just you're a great differdence for him right now. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think the thing is that I look at it
Speaker 1: because a lot of time it's a quarterback. You gotta
Speaker 1: be a lot of different things. You gotta wear a
Speaker 1: lot of hats. You gotta be a politician. You gotta
Speaker 1: shake a lot of hands, You gotta smile a lot
Speaker 1: of guys. Faith You just gonna because you on the
Speaker 1: offensive side. You gotta mix with the defensive guy. You
Speaker 1: gotta talk to the special teams guys. You gotta be
Speaker 1: part psychiatris. You gotta a guy who got a problem
Speaker 1: to go cover to. You gotta talk to him about
Speaker 1: every all of them. But you gotta be part coach,
Speaker 1: big brother. You gotta be all of that. When Uh,
Speaker 1: the quarterbacks now Tom Brady forty three, twenty third season
Speaker 1: struggle a little bit earlier this year seems to be
Speaker 1: turning around. Aaron Rodgers, uh struggling, played great against Green Bay,
Speaker 1: struggled again against the Tennessee Titans. What are you seeing
Speaker 1: from these guys, Because it seemed that the statuesque quarterback
Speaker 1: like Tom Brady, like we saw with Peyton Manning, like
Speaker 1: we saw Drew Brees, it seems to me that those
Speaker 1: guys are becoming relics that I don't know, the guys
Speaker 1: they're morphing away from those guys. And I'm not saying
Speaker 1: the guy have to be you, but the guy have
Speaker 1: to have like Patrick Mahomes, right, guy have to have
Speaker 1: somewhat like a Josh. Guys that can move, yeah, little
Speaker 1: Josh Allen. It's it's saddens me because I love I
Speaker 1: idolized Peyton and Drew and Tom for so many years,
Speaker 1: Like even when it came to mad and I'm like, man,
Speaker 1: I'm not playing with me. I'm not playing with Donovan,
Speaker 1: even though Donovan was dope on a game Like I'm
Speaker 1: Steve McNair. I want I want to I want what
Speaker 1: they got, you know, I would love to have what
Speaker 1: they have in terms of the sense of playing the quarterback.
Speaker 1: But and I want to get there one day. That's
Speaker 1: my ultimate goal is to one day just come to
Speaker 1: the line change plays. Yeah, yeah, we were moving, we're
Speaker 1: running and so the seed and it'll be some quarterbacks
Speaker 1: that I thought Trevor Lawrence would be that guy. But
Speaker 1: still Trevor Lawrence can move, can move and move. So
Speaker 1: it's like every guy who's coming in now if you
Speaker 1: look at the guys who will be coming out in
Speaker 1: the next couple of years, Uh, it was it. Caleb
Speaker 1: Williams from usc Hill doesn't run as much as Kayle,
Speaker 1: but you see Caleb obviously Caleb Williams to run. But
Speaker 1: you see bright young guys. You got a little better wheels.
Speaker 1: And it's and so it's like the game is trending
Speaker 1: towards that's what coaches want, right you see Daniel Jones
Speaker 1: like they call him Vanilla vic. I know it was
Speaker 1: the funniest thing ever, but it was cool. It was
Speaker 1: a cool What what do you think's going on with
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers? And I've told people, I said, I think
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers is going through what tarm Brady went through
Speaker 1: twenty nineteen. He needs more talent around him. Brady realized
Speaker 1: that there's not just good enough for me to have
Speaker 1: a guy that can catch the ball and fall down. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I need I need more because as we look as
Speaker 1: we age, no matter what it is, the professional spourths
Speaker 1: or not, we need more help doing things than we
Speaker 1: start to eight oh man. And so what before Tom
Speaker 1: Brady could take three guys from Dorchester and go win
Speaker 1: a ball game. Uh, Aaron Rodgers could go take three
Speaker 1: guys from Ashwabbanan, Wisconsin and he can go with the
Speaker 1: ball game. Now they got to have you see Mike Evans,
Speaker 1: you see Chris Godwin. You see top knocks defense, the
Speaker 1: top five defense. You got to have all those things
Speaker 1: with Brady before. I remember Aaron Rodgers won the MVP.
Speaker 1: He had the number one offense in the thirty second
Speaker 1: rank deepen because he could overcome that coming. Yeah, you
Speaker 1: can't now, man. It was like when I got older
Speaker 1: and I lost d Sean and I lost Jeremy mcton.
Speaker 1: I've seen what type of profound effect ahead on just
Speaker 1: my everyday play. Yes, like even in practice, it's like,
Speaker 1: I gotta find ways to make this work right. And
Speaker 1: it's not the same caliber of guys I think for Aaron.
Speaker 1: I don't think A's has anything to do with the
Speaker 1: decline with the entire team and the decline in his play.
Speaker 1: I just think that not having Devonte Adams, we all
Speaker 1: underestimated that whole situation. It's just that that connection. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I think Aaron did the same thing. I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't know if and I wasn't. You know, none
Speaker 1: of us was in the room. We didn't know who
Speaker 1: fought for who to keep what. You know, he turned
Speaker 1: out he turned out more money from Green Bay to
Speaker 1: go to Vegas, but he did say he felt the uncertainty.
Speaker 1: You can't keep saying you're gonna retire this year. I
Speaker 1: feel bad getting into it. He's like, man, I want
Speaker 1: some security. I want that. But you look, when you're
Speaker 1: a great player, sometimes you overestimate your ability and underestimate
Speaker 1: someone elm do because you know, he like, well, I
Speaker 1: did win to MVP before you got here. He started
Speaker 1: seeing the stats. Aaron Rodgers, is this minute and old.
Speaker 1: When Devonte Adams is hurt, that bad out, I'm good. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And then you know, reading the headlines, Hey, you see
Speaker 1: what DeVante he's that dude? He is he is. It's
Speaker 1: the same in regards of what he's going through and
Speaker 1: uh in Las Vegas right now. But hey, maybe he
Speaker 1: maybe he might circle back to Green Band. He goad
Speaker 1: the weathers they played in door. Don't stay incup with Tom.
Speaker 1: You saw Tom, and Tom was struggling this year. Obviously
Speaker 1: he was going with some things off the field. Maybe
Speaker 1: we didn't know to the extent. Yeah, but I think
Speaker 1: we all surmised when he left for eleven days in
Speaker 1: training camp. You and I both have been to training camp.
Speaker 1: Unless there's a death in the family or some medical emergency,
Speaker 1: they're not We're not getting no eleven days. You might
Speaker 1: get a day, you're not getting the leven days. So
Speaker 1: we knew something was going on, maybe not to the
Speaker 1: extended which it came to pruission that he ended up
Speaker 1: later getting a divorce. And I know, I'm sorry to
Speaker 1: hear that. Hopefully everything is going well in his life now.
Speaker 1: But what do you think was going on outside of
Speaker 1: dealing with what he was dealing off the field? What
Speaker 1: what did you see watching Tom on the field? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I just it was no cohesiveness. And you know, I
Speaker 1: heard y'all said, and I heard you said on the show,
Speaker 1: it's like the ring game is not present any season
Speaker 1: I ever been a part of. Well, we didn't have
Speaker 1: a ring game. It was tumultuous. It was horrible. It
Speaker 1: was hard to move the cham was hard to move
Speaker 1: the ball, and things just don't click. It's not as easy.
Speaker 1: People underestimate the play action game. Yes, yeah, and when
Speaker 1: they when them back, is not stepping up or peeking
Speaker 1: off the plays because they're not worried about the run.
Speaker 1: Right then now you're there. Yeah, Now there's no lanes
Speaker 1: and it gets harder. So I always felt like Tom
Speaker 1: was at his best when he had guys like James
Speaker 1: White even you know he could dump it off Jam
Speaker 1: and it's extension of the passing game. But you know,
Speaker 1: I see them turning the corner and turning the page.
Speaker 1: And I also think Bruce Errans influence. I love Brian Leffers,
Speaker 1: I love bring and what he's brung to the table.
Speaker 1: But I also you know, Bruce Errans is like Andy Reid,
Speaker 1: you know, overseer, you always need it over And when
Speaker 1: we think we got all the answers as as players
Speaker 1: and you think we're great, and we know, sometimes we don't.
Speaker 1: You know, sometimes we need to overseeer. Deshan obviously we
Speaker 1: know a phenomenal talent. He's gone through some things. He
Speaker 1: got suspended for eleven game, dealt with a lot. Ye
Speaker 1: you was the guy that was in a situation. You
Speaker 1: dealt with some things and you came back and you
Speaker 1: had to face that. And that's never gonna go away long,
Speaker 1: that's never gonna go away. Because you went the you
Speaker 1: went to feel it, it followed you the feeling you
Speaker 1: went to Peel Spurg, It followed you the Pittsburgh And
Speaker 1: if so you gonna you're gonna hear it. There're gonna
Speaker 1: be somebody in the stands. It's gonna have a sign.
Speaker 1: They're gonna be some people when you pull up on
Speaker 1: the bus, they're gonna be out there. How would you
Speaker 1: tell de Sean? How would you if you could sit
Speaker 1: down and talk to de Shanan, how would you tell him?
Speaker 1: How would should he handle the situation moving forward? And
Speaker 1: were just going for one You gotta take it one
Speaker 1: day at a time, right, and uh, don't don't take
Speaker 1: it personal, right like, uh, you know, especially when when
Speaker 1: it's it's self inflicted, and so you gotta roll with
Speaker 1: the punchers and you gotta accept your wrongs and and
Speaker 1: move forward. And I think, you know, for me, for
Speaker 1: a long time, it was it was super emotional, right, like,
Speaker 1: you know, I gotta take my emotions out of this,
Speaker 1: and I got gotta look myself in the mirror and say, okay,
Speaker 1: you you know you you made this bed, you gotta
Speaker 1: lay in it. And h I think that's kind of
Speaker 1: you know, the approach that he gotta take moving forward.
Speaker 1: And uh, you know, at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: he still has an opportunity to go out and play
Speaker 1: ball and do the things that he'd love to do.
Speaker 1: And if that that's enough to clear his country in
Speaker 1: a four hour time was time span. And you're gonna
Speaker 1: still hear You're gonna hear echoes, You're gonna hear whispers.
Speaker 1: It's gonna now you're resolving. Your resiliency is gonna be
Speaker 1: tested on all levels, right, And so for him it's
Speaker 1: about just, you know, staying true to himself and uh,
Speaker 1: you know, doing whatever you can to always try to
Speaker 1: make amends. And pertaining to the situation that you went through,
Speaker 1: let's talk about that period that you went through in
Speaker 1: your life. You get the hundred and thirty million dollar contract.
Speaker 1: At the time, you were the highest paid player in
Speaker 1: the NFL. Yeah, Mike, I lived in Atlanta when you
Speaker 1: were in Atlanta, and you might have been you you
Speaker 1: were as popular, if not more popular than Chipper Jones
Speaker 1: and everybody if you from Georgia, they know which. And
Speaker 1: so I'm thinking to myself, Mike, you could have had
Speaker 1: a car dealership, You could have had about five or
Speaker 1: six McDonald's, You could have had franchise at the franchise
Speaker 1: you get that money. What made you to think to say,
Speaker 1: you know what, I want to do something that I
Speaker 1: don't know if you thought that what you did. Was
Speaker 1: that harmful? But I'm saying adult fighting ring, that's where
Speaker 1: you get you get a You probably got twenty five millions. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I I had thirteen million in the bank.
Speaker 1: But you know, when I was twenty five, twenty six
Speaker 1: years old and knew and didn't know what to do
Speaker 1: with it, right, that's where I come from, right, you know,
Speaker 1: by the time I end up at anything about the
Speaker 1: barber shop, I was young, I went to after Blank
Speaker 1: and I told him, I said, mister Blank, he used
Speaker 1: to always come to me like, you're spending all your money.
Speaker 1: You're spending all your money. It's real story to talk.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, nah, I got fifteen million dollars in
Speaker 1: the bank. I don't know what to do with this money, right.
Speaker 1: I got everything I want, every car, every house, whatever.
Speaker 1: I don't know what to do. And it's more coming
Speaker 1: got yeah. Yeah, So I'm like I gotta protect this now.
Speaker 1: So I'm like, it introduced me to some people, right
Speaker 1: and help me, you know, grow this. Right. And so
Speaker 1: we had a sit down and uh, you know, it
Speaker 1: kind of went it kind of went crazy, and that's
Speaker 1: you know, uh, to be determined. But yeah, man, I was.
Speaker 1: I was making those taking those steps to invest my
Speaker 1: money properly, and money was put into Union City, Atlanta.
Speaker 1: I was gonna build a city, strip malls and restaurants,
Speaker 1: and we had a grant were so I was getting there,
Speaker 1: I was turning the car. I was like, I was
Speaker 1: doing what I was supposed to do. And then, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, I ended up you know why, as I
Speaker 1: started to turn the corner, as I started to see
Speaker 1: life different, and you know, I got a you know,
Speaker 1: I got a young, you know daughter at the time,
Speaker 1: I got a son that's like four, and you know,
Speaker 1: as I'm trying starting to make change, you know, it
Speaker 1: was just a little too late. It was a little
Speaker 1: too late. And then I end up going through that,
Speaker 1: and they took everything from me. Right, it took everything
Speaker 1: shin Like I had. I had eight million, like invested
Speaker 1: in the city. They took it all. I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 1: how you do that? So in the other words, they
Speaker 1: thought that the money that even though you had put
Speaker 1: professional athlete, they think that the money that you got,
Speaker 1: you got it through ill got means that you got
Speaker 1: that through the red nah and that nah, and that
Speaker 1: that was that came from my play, right man. I
Speaker 1: saved her real I might have spent I might have
Speaker 1: spent close to maybe liquid, maybe like two million dollars, right,
Speaker 1: but it was just how do you get so much bread?
Speaker 1: Whose whose idea was? It's like, hey, Mike, I got
Speaker 1: this great out because normal the homeboys coming up, they
Speaker 1: got a car wash or they going to get you
Speaker 1: the club home. We got to open the club. Yeah,
Speaker 1: with your money, you know, you take all the real
Speaker 1: you know, everybody got all these ideas with your money,
Speaker 1: breaking anything to the table, but an ideal, no money ideal.
Speaker 1: So so so when they came to used to eight, Mike,
Speaker 1: I think we could do this because I mean with
Speaker 1: any business, I mean it has to have a business model,
Speaker 1: business plan. You gotta get dogs. You want to get
Speaker 1: the best best dogs from all around the world. You
Speaker 1: might have to import dogs from our tent team or
Speaker 1: wherever they do that. You might have to import the dogs. Okay,
Speaker 1: now we got to build out. We got to build
Speaker 1: kindled to how's the dog? I would say this that
Speaker 1: had nothing to do with any of my friends. That
Speaker 1: was your Yeah, I mean yeah, I was kind. I
Speaker 1: grew up and I grew up under that. So like
Speaker 1: I grew up seeing that grew up watching it, so
Speaker 1: it just never like I still had the hood, and
Speaker 1: I still had the hood at me, and it's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: we're gonna stay true to our rules. You worked your
Speaker 1: ass off. You had a lot of homeboys that didn't
Speaker 1: work as hard as you and stayed there. You worked
Speaker 1: your ass off to lead there in order to just
Speaker 1: to go back. Yeah, but nobody never nobody never went
Speaker 1: to prison, though you did think. Yeah, So I'm like,
Speaker 1: I'm you know, I'm from a small town to the south. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I know about yeah, but I had never heard of
Speaker 1: anybody going to jail either. Neither, so I you know,
Speaker 1: so that's why I was like, so, I so I
Speaker 1: didn't go I didn't go to prison for that, right,
Speaker 1: you know. I went to prison for in the state commerce, right,
Speaker 1: which was kind of you know, confusing, like damn, okay,
Speaker 1: you know, so laws and rules had to be changed
Speaker 1: in order to make it so that, you know, I
Speaker 1: went Look, that's water under Bridge got a documentary coming
Speaker 1: out to talk about it and just kind of clearing
Speaker 1: the ale on the big misconceptions and the way I'm perceived.
Speaker 1: It's like you, I don't take in anything away. I
Speaker 1: don't blame anybody but myself everything. But it's some things
Speaker 1: that I you know, I feel I do feel like
Speaker 1: I got to take advantage of it. A lot of
Speaker 1: situations I look at like you didn't have any homeboys.
Speaker 1: I mean like when you first started coming on the show.
Speaker 1: My homeboards are shocked though. They they wanted nothing but
Speaker 1: the best for me, right, But they knew I was
Speaker 1: I was. I was a hard heart and when I
Speaker 1: when I not not because I had a lot of
Speaker 1: money and that could I could make decisions. But they knew, like, yo,
Speaker 1: if I if we deter Mike from doing this, he
Speaker 1: ain't gonna do nothing to continue to do, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. Yeah, So they felt like they were
Speaker 1: they felt like they were stuck between the rock and
Speaker 1: hard spot with me, and I I respect them for
Speaker 1: that and just to I heard the stories of them,
Speaker 1: you know, wanted me to get away from me. But
Speaker 1: they you know, they didn't know what to do, man,
Speaker 1: you know they I mean maybe they felt like and Mike, Mike,
Speaker 1: you might cut me off, if you know if I
Speaker 1: go too hard on them, and and and it's it's
Speaker 1: it's really it's messed up because that's how we was
Speaker 1: on the right track everybody. And then when I say,
Speaker 1: they had big plans, big dreams, and you know, we
Speaker 1: were starting a sports agency. We was doing a lot
Speaker 1: of stuff. Man, they had sharp ideas. And by the
Speaker 1: decision that I made, decision that I made, screwed everything up.
Speaker 1: When you you okay, they come to Fruition, they come
Speaker 1: to find out you got this ring and your your lawyer.
Speaker 1: You had the best money that lawyer can buy. And
Speaker 1: he said, Mike, you're probably gonna do some time. Yeah,
Speaker 1: was the first day with my Let me back up.
Speaker 1: The my lawyer that I really trusted, the one I
Speaker 1: paid the least amount of money, who kept it real
Speaker 1: with me. The lawyers I hired, they brung in the
Speaker 1: pay paid all the money too. They would lie, lie
Speaker 1: to me, bro took my bread and just dipped off,
Speaker 1: just got got lower. But but yeah, but go ahead,
Speaker 1: the the lawyer that you paid the least amount of
Speaker 1: money too. He told you, Mike, you're probably gonna have
Speaker 1: to go set this one down for me. Oh yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: it wanted like when he broke that new they needed
Speaker 1: to face. Now you said a lot of people didn't
Speaker 1: go to the people didn't go to there for don't fight,
Speaker 1: so they need a face for something. Yeah, but but
Speaker 1: still I knew, like when it was coming to it,
Speaker 1: I was like, man, you know what, man, it's on't right,
Speaker 1: It won't right. I was even though I was turning
Speaker 1: the corner, wasn't into it like that no more. It's
Speaker 1: like I still had I still felt shameful for for
Speaker 1: for what had happened. Right, So it was times why
Speaker 1: I should look myself in the mirror and be like,
Speaker 1: damn boy, you going to prison, like you're about to
Speaker 1: spend some time. When did it? When did When did it? Donald?
Speaker 1: When did this? Like? Man, this bleep just got real.
Speaker 1: I'm about to go to them. I'm about to go
Speaker 1: to the house when they know I want. And they
Speaker 1: didn't get real. It was it wasn't a joke. It
Speaker 1: was never a joke, right, but it didn't get real.
Speaker 1: So they slammed that door and they locked it. I
Speaker 1: was like, hold on, wow, this is really just like
Speaker 1: happening right now. You like three months ago I had
Speaker 1: fifteen meal at the bank. I was like, no, just
Speaker 1: a week ago, a week well it was it was yeah,
Speaker 1: it was all coming but and I your head, all
Speaker 1: my I still had all my bread. But it was
Speaker 1: like when they when they when they closed that door,
Speaker 1: it was like every t so for the first when
Speaker 1: I my first day in there, they kept coming to
Speaker 1: check on me. That makes sure because they so they
Speaker 1: like they know it's my first Yeah, you ain't cast
Speaker 1: the foe, but they probably I think they was peeking
Speaker 1: in on me, so like the walls and never I
Speaker 1: mean it's you know, it's just in the room. So
Speaker 1: you know what I did, I took the covers and
Speaker 1: I just put them over my head because like, yoh,
Speaker 1: I feel like I'm about to go crazy for a minute, right,
Speaker 1: And and then I guess until I settled down, and
Speaker 1: they was like all right, he all right, that's when
Speaker 1: they started to check on me. But every time they
Speaker 1: came to that door to check on me, I thought
Speaker 1: it was somebody coming to that door to say, all right,
Speaker 1: you know what we learned your lesson a couple of hours, right,
Speaker 1: somebody build you out, somebody walked in or like yo.
Speaker 1: And then after like they four or five, when I
Speaker 1: realized that nobody coming, that's just when the that's when
Speaker 1: I had to start just like letting all emotions. Did
Speaker 1: you ever cry I cried for two weeks straight. Yeah,
Speaker 1: my wife would say I cra cray for two weeks straight.
Speaker 1: I really cried after I got sentence because I went
Speaker 1: into my sentence and not expecting to get two years,
Speaker 1: you know, expecting it. It was like I said, you
Speaker 1: did a lot of lawyer, a lot of shit like
Speaker 1: leading up to you know, I just felt a drug
Speaker 1: test I was on pre trial, Like, just got a
Speaker 1: drug tests on. Yeah, for drug test? Come yeah, like
Speaker 1: tell about you know, I learned about lessons. I apologetic. Yea.
Speaker 1: I asked I come in the mercy of the court.
Speaker 1: I followed the mercy of the court. He made me pay.
Speaker 1: He made me pay something like. It was funny because
Speaker 1: I was in the club one night on pre trying
Speaker 1: the club. This is where I'm at in life, like
Speaker 1: you know, eyes on you. A random dude come up
Speaker 1: to me and say, you got Judge Henry Hudson. I'm like, yes,
Speaker 1: he said, I went through my pre trial. I did
Speaker 1: everything right, he said, he Judge Henry Husson still gave
Speaker 1: me five years. That's when I knew I was in trouble.
Speaker 1: And I was like, right then and now I made
Speaker 1: up my mind to get ready to go do what
Speaker 1: I needed to do. I still didn't know I was
Speaker 1: gonna get to get over, get a year nin I
Speaker 1: party hard that night, let me go, it's over, It's over.
Speaker 1: And once he said that, he was like, my did everything,
Speaker 1: and I was like, you know what, this about to
Speaker 1: be a chapter in my life that I never forget.
Speaker 1: And you know, hopefully one day I can just live
Speaker 1: to talk about it and laugh about it, right like
Speaker 1: we're doing now. It's not a serious matter. This is
Speaker 1: like you know, for you know, the next generation is
Speaker 1: to see as they watched this and be like, look, man,
Speaker 1: don't play with your career. Don't play with God. What
Speaker 1: God give you in a position that he put you in.
Speaker 1: Never take that for granted. And uh, you know, I
Speaker 1: just wish y'all have known him better. If i'd have
Speaker 1: known him, bet, I would have done bet, I promise you. So,
Speaker 1: you laying there and leavin Worth probably nine eighty. At
Speaker 1: first I went to a county, a county jail for
Speaker 1: like sixty days. Okay, it was like in a in
Speaker 1: a sale sale by myself. And then I went to Leavenworth. Okay,
Speaker 1: you look the Leavenworth and you laying down there, you're
Speaker 1: like trying not to cry elf of you done. Yeah, broh,
Speaker 1: you had a hundred and thirty million dollar contract, you
Speaker 1: had fifteen mill at the bank, you got another seven
Speaker 1: eight million coming a year for the next seven years,
Speaker 1: and now you just like the rest of the knucklehead
Speaker 1: that they've done, just like everybody else you get in
Speaker 1: here that I've really told myself, you just like everybody
Speaker 1: else in here, and you're gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna act like I'm better than nobody in here.
Speaker 1: So what did the guys what? What were you ever
Speaker 1: around any other guys? I was, yeah, I was around.
Speaker 1: They wanted to say that, they wanted to say that,
Speaker 1: but they had so much respect for me. It was
Speaker 1: like they brought me in like small little brother. We
Speaker 1: gotta get through this right, like like they they seen
Speaker 1: them pain, right, they've seen the pain. The toughest part
Speaker 1: was being in there and filing bankruptcy though, because you know,
Speaker 1: all this time I thought I got all that but
Speaker 1: at the bank, but it got put out that by
Speaker 1: put it in the ground. I'm like, yo, hold on,
Speaker 1: I just gave eight million dollars to this guy. Over here,
Speaker 1: am I filing bankruptcy? So everybody looking at me like, oh, like, yo,
Speaker 1: you got it. I thought you said you had investments,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, yo, brod doude do. So this's always
Speaker 1: been a mystery to me, and it's a coaching I'm
Speaker 1: still trying to crack to this day when I'm going
Speaker 1: a little hard on the now Shay, going a little
Speaker 1: hard on it now. Man, A lot of money came
Speaker 1: up mission you filed bank ruptcy, and I heard you
Speaker 1: talk about it, and I don't remember what I heard it,
Speaker 1: but you said, you know what, I'm gonna make right
Speaker 1: everybody that I'm wrong. I'm gonna I'm gonna make full
Speaker 1: restitution to everybody. Absolutely. Why would that so important? Because
Speaker 1: I know it me. Oh well, I'm sorry, y'all like
Speaker 1: the rift up, it's the way up, brouh. Yeah. But
Speaker 1: you paid back every last every creditor. Why was that
Speaker 1: so important that you might? Because I've the money that
Speaker 1: I invested. I thought I was gonna get that back, right.
Speaker 1: I thought it was gonna come back somehow somewhere. I'm like, Okay,
Speaker 1: if I pay everything back, then at least the the
Speaker 1: eight million dollars that I invested will come back, you know,
Speaker 1: might come back double it might it might you know,
Speaker 1: it might not might might liquidated and it might not
Speaker 1: be worth what it might be six millions, but still
Speaker 1: got somebody got something. And so I choose to you know,
Speaker 1: the Falcons that came out to they you know, everybody
Speaker 1: came out to their money and hold on the Falcons.
Speaker 1: Can't got the money due. Yeah, yeah, that was the
Speaker 1: reason I had to foul bankrupts. What the hold on?
Speaker 1: So they so they wanted to sign the bolters back. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they came out to the bonus and I respect him
Speaker 1: for that because it was, like, you know, I mean
Speaker 1: I was that bad. Yeah, I was, like I was,
Speaker 1: I was hurt. But I lose sleep at night over
Speaker 1: it because you know, even just going through the bankruptcy
Speaker 1: and the whole bankruptcy committee and UH and the trustees
Speaker 1: and all that was like I got it. I was.
Speaker 1: It was a lot of questions that never got answered right,
Speaker 1: and it's just really frustrating and like yeah, like no,
Speaker 1: I'm a black man. I got worked hard for this,
Speaker 1: and I did pay all the money back, but at
Speaker 1: least kidding, can I can I get the rest of it.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, Where's the rest of it?
Speaker 1: Because the narrative on me is that I I was
Speaker 1: bad with money and I blew all my money and
Speaker 1: I screwed her. No, I didn't, right with Is there
Speaker 1: anything that you could have done differently? Obviously been from
Speaker 1: Newport News. There are a lot of guys from that
Speaker 1: Allen Irisms, Sweepye where the arrest Bruce Bruce Smith is
Speaker 1: is from. He's a little father, I think, a little
Speaker 1: father than you are. Some business athletes from that area.
Speaker 1: Your your cousin is Aaron Brooks, yep quarterback, Pro Bowl quarterback,
Speaker 1: played with the Saints, had had had a nice career.
Speaker 1: Is there anything Is there any friends that you could
Speaker 1: have had if you could have surrounded yourself with some
Speaker 1: different people, do you think the situation would have been different?
Speaker 1: What could Michael Vick have done differently to to to
Speaker 1: have a different outcome? Uh? Probably listened to my mom.
Speaker 1: So what did your mom say when your mom? Your
Speaker 1: mom know, mom found out when my mom found out
Speaker 1: what was going on, Mom's just like, we need to
Speaker 1: stop doing what you're doing. Right. Let's say I got
Speaker 1: thirteen million dollars in the bank, I got money. Now,
Speaker 1: I'm I'm I'm I'm looking at it like Mom, I'm
Speaker 1: all right, right, I got it. Anything happened, I got
Speaker 1: it under control. I I it's it's I'm not doing
Speaker 1: I'm lying to her right. My mom looked in my
Speaker 1: eyes and one there she told me, she's like you
Speaker 1: you're not happy. Man. I got all this, I got everything,
Speaker 1: and she's like, yo, you're not happy. What were you missing? Side?
Speaker 1: Why why do you think you weren't happy? It was
Speaker 1: just a lot of guilt to what I was doing.
Speaker 1: You know, I had a lot of other situations going
Speaker 1: on with kids and family, you know, well my son
Speaker 1: and going through it with you know, his mom. So
Speaker 1: I just wasn't in a good place in like two
Speaker 1: thousand and six, two thousand and seven, I was really
Speaker 1: searching for happiness when I had everything that I thought
Speaker 1: I wanted and everything I worked hard for in life,
Speaker 1: and then you know, and this was before anything even
Speaker 1: if popped off. I was just it was a lot
Speaker 1: of people coming to me trying to get You had
Speaker 1: everything that you would hope for, Mike of a child,
Speaker 1: you hope to have riches beyond your wildest dreams. You
Speaker 1: had you hope to be more famous than anybody you
Speaker 1: had ever known, and you had that. You had everything
Speaker 1: that you had hoped for, but you weren't happy. You
Speaker 1: didn't have peace. Yep, I didn't have peace, you know.
Speaker 1: I just wanted to be drafted in the first, second, third,
Speaker 1: fourth round, not not even in I never thought i'd
Speaker 1: be drafted in the first round as a quarterback. Ever,
Speaker 1: when you started hearing you'd think you could be a
Speaker 1: drafted the first round, and started hearing talks that Mike
Speaker 1: Bick might be the first pick of the draft, I'm
Speaker 1: like me. I had a good friend telling me, like
Speaker 1: after my first year, Cornell Brown, Yeah, okay, Cornell was
Speaker 1: like the bottom. He used to come pick me up
Speaker 1: and from Virginia Tech. He was like the Baltimore Ravens
Speaker 1: said they they'll take you on the top five. I
Speaker 1: just finished up my freshman year. Yeah, I was like, whoa,
Speaker 1: But still that dream could become a reality. I had
Speaker 1: one more season to do, and I'm like, I gotta
Speaker 1: stay focused. So I knew I was on my way.
Speaker 1: I knew I had a shout out. It was just
Speaker 1: all about keeping everything in perspect right. So you get
Speaker 1: that you do your time. You did twenty three months, right,
Speaker 1: it's twenty three twenty three months, hard months. Coach done.
Speaker 1: I think the coach don you come visit you, coach
Speaker 1: don you came to visit. As soon as I got
Speaker 1: out and went straight they I went to see Roger, author,
Speaker 1: author Blank came to see me at my house, and
Speaker 1: uh no, it was just good to see those those guys.
Speaker 1: And definitely my Donna say something, Roger Man, this this
Speaker 1: is what changed my life. I sat down with Roger
Speaker 1: and Rogers like Rogerdale to commit Rogdale and uh, I
Speaker 1: said Roger, because I lied to Rod. I told Roger
Speaker 1: Bold face lit right in the slace, Roger, I'm sorry
Speaker 1: that shitn' a lit. Roger say like, hey, hey, we're
Speaker 1: not here to talk about the past. We had to
Speaker 1: talk about you moving forward. Wow, And that right there
Speaker 1: was everything to me. It was like we was able
Speaker 1: to have a meeting with the with the league office
Speaker 1: and everybody who was helping and making decisions for me
Speaker 1: to come back and get reinstated. And that right there
Speaker 1: changed my life. I mean obviously saying coach Dungee, cause
Speaker 1: Dune just wanted to make sure like you empathy, you
Speaker 1: can trite and didn't get a sense of where I
Speaker 1: was in life, and uh with Roger and those words,
Speaker 1: man just was like, okay, we can turn the page
Speaker 1: because you think you lied to Roger. Obviously, the NFL
Speaker 1: they got feelers, they got people, They got reachers that
Speaker 1: go farther yard with the human, with the normal person
Speaker 1: could reach. So when they got wind of this, they
Speaker 1: call you in, they talk to you. They ask Mike, Mike,
Speaker 1: what's your involvement? How involved are you in this? Are
Speaker 1: you involved with this? Or is this someone just using
Speaker 1: your name? And you said, I ain't got nothing to
Speaker 1: do with this. Like man, You're like you like you
Speaker 1: like a child before the parent, like you did you
Speaker 1: did you? I was just like I was just trying
Speaker 1: to protect so much, honestly, Like when I think about
Speaker 1: it now, because I could be truthful about it, it
Speaker 1: was like I had so much respect for it, just everybody,
Speaker 1: but my relationship with Nike and what we had built
Speaker 1: and created all of that whole shoe line. And I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 1: but Nike cam like I'm not losing that. And so
Speaker 1: I was thinking wrong. So if I had went in
Speaker 1: with a different attitude, maybe it could have turned out
Speaker 1: a different way. You know, my lawyer always told me
Speaker 1: that I can't represent you if you're gonna tell me
Speaker 1: the truth. Right, So you lying to the age, your
Speaker 1: attorney to everybody got maybe that, well maybe if you'd
Speaker 1: told the truth, they could have got to the front
Speaker 1: of this right. Yeah, got out in front of this
Speaker 1: blah blah blah. Yeah. I learned so much about myself.
Speaker 1: I learned like just how to be honest, Like what right?
Speaker 1: Trying to tell us the same lie over and over again?
Speaker 1: It's impossible. Yeah, because you're gonna forget. Yeahbody, you should
Speaker 1: have been to the front of the line of the
Speaker 1: Tailbody to beat you to the line of the tail.
Speaker 1: They beat, They beat you to the front of the
Speaker 1: line of the tail. You know, Man, God had a
Speaker 1: plan for my life. Man, you get out. How did
Speaker 1: the Philly situation come to be? They had Donovan. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Donovan was one of the guys who wanted to help me,
Speaker 1: and uh they co when they called. I was like, man,
Speaker 1: I'm I'm I couldn't believe that they called. Did any
Speaker 1: other teams reach out? Uh yeah, Baltimore, not Baltimore, but
Speaker 1: Buffalo was talking to Buffalo and we was talking to
Speaker 1: UH Cincinnati. Okay, And so the premise was not to
Speaker 1: play my first year, to get myself back and playing shape.
Speaker 1: And I have the whole fan faire around me, So
Speaker 1: to go go to a place where you can get
Speaker 1: back up, get your get your feet wet again, and
Speaker 1: then and then work yourself back into the plan shape
Speaker 1: and then that they go according to play because you
Speaker 1: end up playing. UH. I was able to sit the
Speaker 1: first year with UH with Andy, learning a lot from Donovan,
Speaker 1: learning a lot from Andy, like their philosophy, how they
Speaker 1: go about right game planning and going into a game,
Speaker 1: And it was totally different than anything I've ever seen.
Speaker 1: The game plan, how the coach go about being on
Speaker 1: the same page as the quarterback. Would you expect from
Speaker 1: you with it? It was just I was getting in
Speaker 1: the building at six in the morning, man, and just
Speaker 1: doing it different. So so you got your first year.
Speaker 1: So your first year you kind of learned, Okay, man,
Speaker 1: what was proud of you going to Philly? What was
Speaker 1: Mike Vick game preparation? Like? What was your study habits? Like?
Speaker 1: What was it life and Philly before you in Atlanta?
Speaker 1: When you were when you were the guy in Atlanta
Speaker 1: what was Mike big study happens, like my coach demanded.
Speaker 1: Because I was in the new system in the West
Speaker 1: Coast syste so I had to spend some time in
Speaker 1: studying and understanding what the message was like, what was
Speaker 1: we trying to really accomplish on Sundays? And so I
Speaker 1: took a good lot of pride in that we was
Speaker 1: able to go to the NFC Championship my game my
Speaker 1: first year, my first year in this West Coast system.
Speaker 1: But then it was so easy to get there. The
Speaker 1: second year, I took a step back. I started doing
Speaker 1: less because it was so easy. So I got spoiled.
Speaker 1: I'm like, well, we'll get back. This year. Year three
Speaker 1: in the system, two thousand and six, we didn't even
Speaker 1: make the play We didn't make the playoffs. In two
Speaker 1: thousand and five or two thousand and six. I never
Speaker 1: got back. And it was all because it was so
Speaker 1: easy to get there in my first year. So my
Speaker 1: my preparation that year was amazing. I studied because I
Speaker 1: never wanted to disappoint my coaches. I always wanted them
Speaker 1: to be proud of me, and I always wanted them
Speaker 1: to know that I was listening and I was taking
Speaker 1: heat to everything that they were saying. And I coach.
Speaker 1: If I say I got it, I got it. But
Speaker 1: I could have did a little bit more, right, I
Speaker 1: could have did more as I got older, And I
Speaker 1: think that's not a it's not a coach job to
Speaker 1: tell you to do more. You gotta do more. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like I should have volunteered. Came there the coach. You know,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna break down this film. I'm gonna break down
Speaker 1: this tape. And let's what year did you break with
Speaker 1: that two thousand and five, two thousand and six that
Speaker 1: you broke your leg into preseason? That was two thousand
Speaker 1: and three, two thousand three game you broke your leg
Speaker 1: into preseason? Yeah, broke my leg in the preseas. I
Speaker 1: didn't finish that season, so oh three. I came back
Speaker 1: at the end of the year, right before games left.
Speaker 1: They fired Dan and then the next year I had
Speaker 1: a new system and I had to learn. So I
Speaker 1: spent two years with damn bit pretty much right while
Speaker 1: I played, and then the whole new coaching resument came in.
Speaker 1: Had this dog fighting situation not come up? Do you
Speaker 1: believe Mike bick was on the Hall of Fame? Mark, Yes, yes,
Speaker 1: I you know, I had a situation in two thousand
Speaker 1: and six where I stuck my middle finger up at
Speaker 1: the crowd. I flicked off the crowd. It was it
Speaker 1: wasn't towards our fans. It was towards some Saints fans.
Speaker 1: That was a big misconception too. But uh, you know,
Speaker 1: it seemed like things were spiling out of control from me,
Speaker 1: and it wasn't until Chip came in. Not Chip Chip,
Speaker 1: Bobby right, Bobby Trado came in with Hugh Jackson right,
Speaker 1: and they was teaching me how to play the quarterback
Speaker 1: position from protections. I mean just we was just kind
Speaker 1: of like starting all over in the new system, right,
Speaker 1: and uh he was like, man, you're gonna be the
Speaker 1: league and repeat this ship. And I really felt that
Speaker 1: way because my focus was different and a lot of
Speaker 1: my boys moved out of the house. We was living together,
Speaker 1: my wife moved in, my daughter. So I was turning
Speaker 1: the corner right, and it was, like I said, it
Speaker 1: was just too late. Everything was starting to take a
Speaker 1: turn for the worst. But uh, my, that year, we
Speaker 1: probably would have we would have went deep in the playoffs,
Speaker 1: and we definitely definitely would have you know, been on
Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame path for sure. Plans to retire earlier, though,
Speaker 1: did you and do what? I don't know. That's why
Speaker 1: I invested the eight million. I'm gonna sit back until
Speaker 1: on some property. You mentioned that you had your boys
Speaker 1: in the home before you had moved your wife in
Speaker 1: with your daughter. What did they break? So? What what
Speaker 1: would they tell you? I mean, obviously up video games.
Speaker 1: You like video games, they like video games, You play
Speaker 1: video game. But what are they adding to Michael vicks
Speaker 1: football life? How did they football players? They supported me
Speaker 1: in a lot, like like when I started the Nah,
Speaker 1: but it was like motivational speeches like, man, you need
Speaker 1: to stop doing this. You need to stop what theybody?
Speaker 1: What good friend? If you ain't listening that what I'm saying, Bro,
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. Man. My life is one big misconception.
Speaker 1: People think it was my boys was my downfall. Nah.
Speaker 1: They were some of my biggest supporters. They was just
Speaker 1: in a position where if they go too hard on
Speaker 1: me and y'all don't do this, don't that. Yeah, they
Speaker 1: and I hated it. They felt like they wasn't even
Speaker 1: in that situation. It's so unfortunate. But and I never
Speaker 1: looked at it that way. I might have caught an
Speaker 1: attitude or been a little set, but I wasn't gonna
Speaker 1: kick my man said the curve just for telling me
Speaker 1: stopped drinking it yet. Right, I'm looking at you. You
Speaker 1: come back in two thousand and ten, you pass for
Speaker 1: three thousand yards, twenty one touch down, six interceptions, a
Speaker 1: seventy QBR sixty two p sixty three percent completion percentage.
Speaker 1: You come back player of the Year, and you go
Speaker 1: to the Pro Bowl. Yeah, bro, just Andy Reid was
Speaker 1: everything man. Andy demanded so much out of me. Andy checked.
Speaker 1: Andy was like you know it. You know, I went
Speaker 1: through a lot two or three years probably, and it
Speaker 1: was a lot that I had on my chests. I
Speaker 1: couldn't go to my agent. They have a father, you know,
Speaker 1: my dad wasn't He was there, but I you know,
Speaker 1: I couldn't. You didn't feel you could talk to it,
Speaker 1: right right? Yeah, I just needed somebody to talk to, man.
Speaker 1: And like it was like Andy came in my life
Speaker 1: at the right time. I could talk to him. I
Speaker 1: could tell him what I can tell him, whatever I
Speaker 1: wanted to tell him and get an honest answer, whether
Speaker 1: I liked it or not. And he didn't care whether
Speaker 1: I liked it or not either, but he cared and
Speaker 1: just to have those conversations, it brought out the best
Speaker 1: of me. I spent more time in the building, and uh,
Speaker 1: I just I just seemed like damn. I always felt
Speaker 1: like I always seal coach and coach if I had you,
Speaker 1: if you'd have drafted me, man, I know you had
Speaker 1: down at me. But if you'd have drafted me out
Speaker 1: to win places, you end up going to the Steelers,
Speaker 1: and the fans weren't very happy. Nah, uh arn't rooted
Speaker 1: the second He said, you had proven himself and you
Speaker 1: paid your debt to society. Yeah, and you deserved the
Speaker 1: second chance up and big band and Mike Tomlin was
Speaker 1: big advocates for me at the time too, man. And
Speaker 1: then you know, sitting down mister Ronny and mister Ronny
Speaker 1: was you know, he he was amazing, Like that's truly
Speaker 1: how he felt. He believed in second chances. And uh,
Speaker 1: I've never been in the locker room where guys embraced
Speaker 1: me so much, like even being older at thirty five
Speaker 1: at the time. And I always tell Mike Timond thanks
Speaker 1: for that experience and that that opportunity to play one
Speaker 1: last season right with a good group of young dudes,
Speaker 1: man who really cared about football and love of the game.
Speaker 1: While you in Pittsburgh, you played with a young AB,
Speaker 1: not the A B that what we see now seems
Speaker 1: to have a lot of his life spier inspiring, out
Speaker 1: of control. When you were there in Pittsburgh, what did
Speaker 1: you notice and did you know did you see anything
Speaker 1: that would give you like, Man, this dude, he need
Speaker 1: to he need to model, he need to be careful.
Speaker 1: H not at all. Man A B was a hard worker,
Speaker 1: He believed in his self. He loved big man. He
Speaker 1: was until he was smart, understood the system. He would
Speaker 1: just get a little agitated if he didn't get the
Speaker 1: ball right. I started for three games, and I didn't
Speaker 1: target Ab. I'll be honest. I didn't know, really know
Speaker 1: a lot about the AFC right, and I didn't know
Speaker 1: a lot about cause this. They had guys coming in
Speaker 1: and out influxive receivers from Mike Wallace too. You're saying
Speaker 1: it's like in and out, in and out, and so
Speaker 1: it's this new guy him, I don't know too much
Speaker 1: about him and him so I'm sparing the ball around
Speaker 1: my TVs. You know, mark his weed and I'm trying
Speaker 1: to just spread it out and other than him getting
Speaker 1: a little aggravated that he didn't get the ball, A
Speaker 1: b was a great teammate man, and I didn't see.
Speaker 1: I didn't see definitely didn't see the behavior that I
Speaker 1: see now. I mean, if you could talk to him,
Speaker 1: because I thought he had a great situation. Tom Brady
Speaker 1: went to bat for Yeah, it's not a whole lot
Speaker 1: of quarterback go go to back, especially with the kind
Speaker 1: of behavior that he's displayed over a period. So Tom
Speaker 1: Brady goes to back. Bruce Are didn't wanted nothing to
Speaker 1: do with it because Bruce Arians had him in in Pittsburgh.
Speaker 1: He made up the buddally clear at the beginning of
Speaker 1: the season, But somehow Tom Brady talked him into it.
Speaker 1: Tom reaches out, he has him in his home, and
Speaker 1: the way he handled Tom that's what I'm most disappointed. Yeah, look,
Speaker 1: you could be a jerk to a lot of people.
Speaker 1: I think you should be a jerk. But someone that
Speaker 1: that reached out, gave you an Olive brand, picked you up,
Speaker 1: propped you up. Yep, you do them like this? Yeah
Speaker 1: that that that right there was a little disturbing to
Speaker 1: me too, because I know I know him and Tom
Speaker 1: was on the same year a one time, and uh,
Speaker 1: you know, I believe in loyalty, and I believe in friendships,
Speaker 1: true friendships, and I think they I thought they was
Speaker 1: creating a bond. He pulled him, you know, he put
Speaker 1: him in a situation where a d was able to
Speaker 1: get a ring, yes and shine, and uh, he turned
Speaker 1: his back on him. I just saw you ran four
Speaker 1: seven forty at forty one. I saw TiO ran like
Speaker 1: a four or five, four or six. Yeah, if you train,
Speaker 1: you think you get TiO. Absolutely, I'm gonna train next year.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna train next year. Every year I come into
Speaker 1: I said, I'm ana train. I don't train. This year
Speaker 1: I was running and I was so scared to pull
Speaker 1: a hamstring. I was like, I just got through the race.
Speaker 1: But next year, I'm a train. Well, I can't say
Speaker 1: that because TiO was a special I'm gonna just shoot
Speaker 1: for four to six. You shoot for four six, shoot
Speaker 1: for four to six. I mean realistic goal. I mean,
Speaker 1: you weren't ran four three three, damn. But that was
Speaker 1: like I was twenty three. So so that if that
Speaker 1: gonna be the race. I mean, can we can we
Speaker 1: get that race? Yeah? You know what till I'm gonna
Speaker 1: take you up on that? Man? You know, but Tell's
Speaker 1: staying in the gym. No, he's a gym rat. I'm
Speaker 1: not a gym rat, but I'm a distance running again.
Speaker 1: Give you three months, three months? Can you get you
Speaker 1: down to four sixty three months? Yeah? Yeah, for sure,
Speaker 1: because I mean, you know you trip, you're the lost weight.
Speaker 1: I mean you're te to you you less than you're
Speaker 1: playing weight. No, no, no, I'm like two two fourteen
Speaker 1: got him to scale yesterday. How about you play at
Speaker 1: I played at two twelve man, that's two brother. Man,
Speaker 1: you ain't breaking boy. I thought you bout to say.
Speaker 1: I bet you're gonna say like two hundred. Nah nah,
Speaker 1: I'm uh. I held I hold my weight pretty good. Yeah,
Speaker 1: this might put a couple of pounds on, but it's
Speaker 1: all life. Hey, brouh. I appreciate the time and a
Speaker 1: great time by all the best. Appreciate you've been able
Speaker 1: to reinvent yourself. I really appreciate that. Taking that would
Speaker 1: all my life and grinding all my life, sacrifice, hustle,
Speaker 1: bade price, want a slice? Got the broller dice to
Speaker 1: swap all my life. I've been grinding all my life,
Speaker 1: all my life, and grinding all my life. Sacrifice, hustle,
Speaker 1: bade the prices. Want a slice, Got the broller dice
Speaker 1: to swap all my life. I've been grinding all my life.