WEBVTT - Michael Vick 0:00:00.120 --> 0:00:02.520 And then after like day four or five, when I 0:00:02.600 --> 0:00:05.120 realized that ain't nobody cutting on, nobody coming. That's just 0:00:05.160 --> 0:00:08.160 when that's when I had to start this. Did you 0:00:08.160 --> 0:00:10.559 all emotions? Did you cry? Did you ever cry a 0:00:10.640 --> 0:00:12.320 trap for two weeks straight? Yeah? My wife to say 0:00:12.320 --> 0:00:15.760 I cried to trap for two weeks straight. All my life, 0:00:15.920 --> 0:00:20.640 the grinding all my life, sacrifice, hustle back price, Want 0:00:20.640 --> 0:00:23.720 a slice? Got the broll dice to swad all my life? 0:00:23.760 --> 0:00:26.400 I've been grinding in all my life, all my life, 0:00:26.600 --> 0:00:31.319 and grinding all my life, sacrifice, hustle back prices, Want 0:00:31.320 --> 0:00:34.400 a slice? Got the broll dice to swad all my life? 0:00:34.440 --> 0:00:38.400 I've been grinding in all my life. Hello, welcome to 0:00:38.440 --> 0:00:40.800 another additional Club Sha Shake. I am your host. I'm 0:00:40.840 --> 0:00:42.760 also the proud of Club Sha Shake. And the guy 0:00:42.800 --> 0:00:45.640 that's stopping by for conversation and a drink today is 0:00:45.640 --> 0:00:48.760 one of the NFL's most electrifying players. He transformed the 0:00:48.800 --> 0:00:51.800 quarterback position. He's the first African American quarterback to be 0:00:51.840 --> 0:00:54.680 selected number one overall, the first quarterback to rush for 0:00:54.720 --> 0:00:57.120 one thousand yards of the season, and he still holds 0:00:57.120 --> 0:00:59.280 the record for the most rush yards by a quarterback 0:00:59.480 --> 0:01:01.800 with over makes you one hundred. You knew him for 0:01:01.920 --> 0:01:05.560 having the Michael Vick experience, Mike Bick, Mike got you 0:01:05.640 --> 0:01:08.280 doing brouh Hey, bro, you know you go by the club. 0:01:08.319 --> 0:01:09.960 You know, we gotta we gotta toast this day. Yeah, 0:01:09.959 --> 0:01:12.000 we gotta toast this and a drunk half for him 0:01:13.240 --> 0:01:16.319 win in early. So you know, that's that's what that's 0:01:16.319 --> 0:01:19.160 why I'm here. Oh, I appreciate that experience. So how 0:01:19.240 --> 0:01:26.200 you doing doing great? Shake? Life is good kids, good family, 0:01:26.240 --> 0:01:29.200 good wife, good and uh, you know, enjoying my time 0:01:29.280 --> 0:01:32.440 as as a as a sports analyst. Man. And what's 0:01:32.440 --> 0:01:35.759 the typical day like for Michael Vick? Yep? You wake 0:01:35.840 --> 0:01:37.880 up at what time? You know? I'm so blessed, man. 0:01:38.800 --> 0:01:40.600 I wake up at six thirty. Okay, I wake up 0:01:40.600 --> 0:01:43.839 at six thirty. My oldest daughter just started driving to school, 0:01:43.880 --> 0:01:47.120 which is you know, not a night man, but it's 0:01:47.200 --> 0:01:50.800 you know, it's a maturity price, right and so yeah, 0:01:50.920 --> 0:01:53.720 so I take my my my youngest daughter to school 0:01:55.240 --> 0:01:57.520 at like seven thirty. And then from now I'm up. 0:01:57.560 --> 0:01:59.400 You know, I'm trying to figure out, like what's the 0:01:59.440 --> 0:02:02.000 next line of business if I got to go come 0:02:02.000 --> 0:02:03.640 on the show with you guys. If I go, gotta 0:02:03.680 --> 0:02:06.960 do speak and and and then from there, my my 0:02:07.000 --> 0:02:08.960 youngest son is in school, so I pick him up 0:02:09.040 --> 0:02:11.440 and I get a chance to experience what life is 0:02:11.560 --> 0:02:14.840 like as as a dad, truly. And when I retired, 0:02:14.919 --> 0:02:16.919 that's what I wanted. I wanted to make up for 0:02:16.960 --> 0:02:22.480 all that lost time. Do your kids understand who you are? 0:02:22.600 --> 0:02:24.760 Maybe how how old were they when you were playing? 0:02:25.240 --> 0:02:28.240 They get an opportunity to experience any of the Mike 0:02:28.400 --> 0:02:31.239 michael Vick experience. They did, but they was young. I 0:02:31.320 --> 0:02:34.720 would say they was around I retired in twenty fifteen, 0:02:34.840 --> 0:02:41.480 so Sadam might have been nine, my oldest summer's eleven. 0:02:42.400 --> 0:02:45.600 And so they seen it and they got they got 0:02:45.600 --> 0:02:48.800 the feeling, they got the Pittsburgh they didn't really get. 0:02:48.160 --> 0:02:52.720 They didn't get they didn't they didn't get that, which 0:02:53.520 --> 0:02:56.000 is something that is a blessing and the curse. But 0:02:56.040 --> 0:02:59.000 now they see the aftermath and the like. It leave 0:02:59.040 --> 0:03:01.919 him wondering. But I tried to cut on YouTube and 0:03:01.960 --> 0:03:03.920 all that here and there, but I don't want to 0:03:03.919 --> 0:03:06.520 hear that shit. My youngest son, he five years old. 0:03:06.520 --> 0:03:08.799 I tried to cut you. This was daddy, This is daddy. 0:03:09.160 --> 0:03:12.040 He looked at it and he'd go off to something else. 0:03:12.080 --> 0:03:15.720 So I'm hoping one day football stick or he gravitated 0:03:15.720 --> 0:03:17.840 to it a little bit right with you know, like 0:03:18.080 --> 0:03:20.720 young players when they shoot the ball, they like Kobe 0:03:20.639 --> 0:03:23.360 Ye with any quarterback takeoff running the first thing they 0:03:23.360 --> 0:03:25.359 haullered mane a joke, A man, that was a bit 0:03:25.760 --> 0:03:29.200 How did that make you feel that you're like you're revered, 0:03:29.919 --> 0:03:33.800 Like you're revered. Uh, it makes me feel good, Shannon, 0:03:33.880 --> 0:03:36.760 because it was a time in my career where I 0:03:36.960 --> 0:03:41.120 started to feel like out my style of play wasn't 0:03:42.000 --> 0:03:44.800 it wasn't gonna sustain right, and you know, I got 0:03:44.840 --> 0:03:50.080 criticized for it to a certain degree, and I just 0:03:50.200 --> 0:03:53.080 started to go through that phase of man, I gotta 0:03:53.240 --> 0:03:57.920 become a true pocket passer. And it was in Atlanta 0:03:58.160 --> 0:04:01.120 my coaches encouraged me, Greg now rest in peace, a 0:04:01.240 --> 0:04:04.280 gym Moore, just be yourself. Continue to be yourself. It's 0:04:04.280 --> 0:04:06.120 a great way to play the game. I always start 0:04:06.200 --> 0:04:09.720 just moving the chains, and you know, by any means 0:04:09.840 --> 0:04:12.480 necessary was the way to get it done. And then 0:04:12.720 --> 0:04:15.200 it wasn't until I got the Andy. And I always 0:04:15.240 --> 0:04:17.960 wanted to play with Andy for Andy, because I've seen 0:04:18.000 --> 0:04:19.920 the way he handled Donovan right and they had some 0:04:20.080 --> 0:04:22.960 great years. And he's like, look, man, you just take 0:04:23.000 --> 0:04:24.520 what you got and you just build on it. And 0:04:24.600 --> 0:04:26.400 from that point when I got to Dy in two 0:04:26.440 --> 0:04:28.320 thousand and nine, I was I'm just going with it. 0:04:28.480 --> 0:04:30.239 I'm just going with it. When you were in Atlanta, 0:04:30.320 --> 0:04:32.560 did you did you ever try to suppress who you 0:04:32.680 --> 0:04:35.080 were naturally as far as running the football? You're like, 0:04:35.160 --> 0:04:37.200 you know what, man, y'all beat me up and running 0:04:37.200 --> 0:04:39.400 the football. Y'all say, I can't read a defense, and 0:04:39.520 --> 0:04:41.480 so I just take off running that everything that I'm 0:04:41.480 --> 0:04:44.080 getting is because of my leg Did you actually suppress 0:04:44.160 --> 0:04:46.080 some a little bit of who you were as a 0:04:46.160 --> 0:04:48.480 running quarterback to try to prove to everybody I can 0:04:48.520 --> 0:04:50.840 throw the ball from the pocket. Absolutely. It was a 0:04:50.920 --> 0:04:55.560 game in two thousand and five. I had an MCL injury. 0:04:55.760 --> 0:04:58.200 I was playing. Probably shouldn't have been out in the field, 0:04:58.760 --> 0:05:01.880 and I told myself, I'm use this moment to show 0:05:02.200 --> 0:05:04.720 that I can pass the football. Right say, when I 0:05:04.800 --> 0:05:06.520 say I went out, I'm gonna go back and look 0:05:06.600 --> 0:05:08.400 at the stats. But maybe we can look it up. Man. 0:05:08.440 --> 0:05:12.040 I probably passed for three fifty went like twenty eight 0:05:12.200 --> 0:05:14.640 for thirty four. One of them days, I was hot. 0:05:14.640 --> 0:05:17.520 I was spilling it and I went to the podium 0:05:17.600 --> 0:05:19.760 afterwards and I it was, I was, it was very 0:05:19.760 --> 0:05:22.440 immature that for me to go off on the media, 0:05:22.560 --> 0:05:24.880 because I mean it was no need to go off 0:05:24.920 --> 0:05:26.520 on a tangent with them. I was younger, and I 0:05:26.720 --> 0:05:29.440 was like suppressing what I you know, what I did best, 0:05:30.560 --> 0:05:32.400 and so I just let him have it. That day. 0:05:32.400 --> 0:05:34.600 I was, you know, don't ever say I can't pass 0:05:34.640 --> 0:05:37.360 the football from the pocket ever again. And now I'm 0:05:37.400 --> 0:05:39.520 going back to being me. I'm going back to being 0:05:39.560 --> 0:05:42.600 a dual threat. And uh, I just wanted to prove that. 0:05:42.760 --> 0:05:44.800 So it was always something that you know, it's always 0:05:44.839 --> 0:05:47.000 something that push you, which is a good thing, right, 0:05:47.839 --> 0:05:49.680 and it was all for the better, I know, and 0:05:50.000 --> 0:05:53.320 which you know goes back to what you just talked about. 0:05:53.400 --> 0:05:56.679 What you just said. You know, now when people mentioned 0:05:57.160 --> 0:05:59.520 a great run or see a great run, they mentioned 0:05:59.560 --> 0:06:02.040 in me. And that's because now I had the people 0:06:02.040 --> 0:06:03.840 around me to say, keep doing what you do. Right. 0:06:04.640 --> 0:06:06.640 When I look at you, everybody was like, man, when 0:06:06.680 --> 0:06:09.240 are we gonna see that? Michael Vick in Atlanta that 0:06:09.320 --> 0:06:11.520 we saw at Virginia Tech. A guy that could a 0:06:11.640 --> 0:06:13.960 broken play that he could get off script. They called 0:06:14.000 --> 0:06:15.680 the play he could get off that script and go 0:06:15.839 --> 0:06:17.880 hit his head on the gold post. I think it 0:06:17.960 --> 0:06:20.360 was the Minnesota game. It was the Minnesota game, but 0:06:20.480 --> 0:06:25.240 it was your coach, real former coach Dan rest So 0:06:25.600 --> 0:06:27.520 Dan Reese, and I was at the I was at 0:06:27.560 --> 0:06:30.000 the Fiendal when you gave an amazing speech talking about coach. 0:06:30.000 --> 0:06:34.039 I was in the back crying, honestly, and uh, coach 0:06:34.200 --> 0:06:38.920 was just he had a way with me, funny stories. 0:06:38.960 --> 0:06:41.119 I never wanted to play for Dan Rees. I watching 0:06:41.160 --> 0:06:42.760 him as a kid. I watched him go off on 0:06:43.440 --> 0:06:46.800 John and he was tough. He was tough. He was tough. 0:06:47.000 --> 0:06:50.040 But by the time I got to him, you know, 0:06:50.120 --> 0:06:53.000 and it was ironic he drafted me, he was lighthearted. Yep, 0:06:53.240 --> 0:06:55.480 you know, he showed a different emotion. He was like, 0:06:55.760 --> 0:06:58.560 took baby steps with me, and uh, you know, he 0:06:58.880 --> 0:07:02.320 he gave me the confidence and his play calling was 0:07:02.360 --> 0:07:07.160 catered towards my ability. Like what I've seen I seen 0:07:07.279 --> 0:07:11.080 justin fields yesterday and I've seen Daniel Jones. Jones, Yeah, 0:07:11.200 --> 0:07:14.080 doing like a sweet, like an eighteen sweet, right, quarterback 0:07:14.160 --> 0:07:16.840 swite generic right, and he was doing that type of 0:07:16.880 --> 0:07:19.400 stuff with me in two thousand and two. So I mean, 0:07:19.640 --> 0:07:23.040 just just great times, great memories. When you see these 0:07:23.080 --> 0:07:27.520 young quarterbacks. You mentioned Justin Fields, Daniel Jones say, nicknamed 0:07:27.560 --> 0:07:30.720 the Vanilla. You see the Lamar Jackson, you see the 0:07:30.800 --> 0:07:34.400 advent of the quarterback and now legs, it's not criticized 0:07:34.440 --> 0:07:36.800 as much as it was when you were played. Now 0:07:37.080 --> 0:07:39.360 it's embraced. Man. You see with Justin Fields, he just 0:07:39.440 --> 0:07:41.320 had back to back games, he had three hundred fifty yards. 0:07:41.440 --> 0:07:44.920 You see what records and all that. Right, do you 0:07:45.040 --> 0:07:48.440 wish had it been embraced more when you were played, 0:07:48.760 --> 0:07:50.400 You think you would have been more receptive to it 0:07:50.480 --> 0:07:52.240 and said, you know what, this is who I am. 0:07:52.320 --> 0:07:55.120 I'm gonna embrace it. I'm gonna add the passing ability 0:07:55.200 --> 0:07:57.640 from the pocket. But this was what I believe that 0:07:57.680 --> 0:07:59.520 can help lead a team to a super Bowl or 0:07:59.720 --> 0:08:01.800 just or even if I could just vent and say 0:08:01.840 --> 0:08:04.600 give me some time, right, give me some time grow. Right, 0:08:04.720 --> 0:08:07.400 I'm coming out of offense in college where it was 0:08:07.480 --> 0:08:09.760 run oriented R and then you know we didn't pass 0:08:09.800 --> 0:08:11.679 it a lot. I still led the nation and passing 0:08:11.760 --> 0:08:14.240 the efficiency. So I knew how to play keep away 0:08:14.400 --> 0:08:17.120 right and keep the ball away from the defense. And 0:08:17.440 --> 0:08:20.280 so as those years, you know, and it all starts 0:08:20.360 --> 0:08:22.880 when you started losing, right, when you lose games, you 0:08:23.320 --> 0:08:25.160 drop a couple of games. And then I got injured 0:08:25.200 --> 0:08:27.080 trying to run the ball, and so it's all these 0:08:27.160 --> 0:08:29.760 things circulating. If you if you don't stop running the ball, 0:08:29.800 --> 0:08:33.080 you're not gonna have longevity. I got all these things 0:08:33.160 --> 0:08:35.840 in my head when I just wanted to play football, right, 0:08:36.040 --> 0:08:39.000 they let me just play my style of football. They 0:08:39.080 --> 0:08:41.560 fired and Dan Reeves in two thousand and three after 0:08:41.640 --> 0:08:45.199 a win ironically, which was crazy, and so now I 0:08:45.240 --> 0:08:47.199 got to pick up the pieces. Now, then they bring 0:08:47.280 --> 0:08:49.880 in the West Coast system, which we was both in, right, 0:08:51.480 --> 0:08:54.960 and so that they brung that into teaching me how 0:08:55.000 --> 0:08:57.080 to be a passer right. You know, Rich McKay's out 0:08:57.120 --> 0:08:59.679 there when he hired Jim More and they brung in 0:08:59.800 --> 0:09:02.800 great ignapping those guys. And so now I'm forced to 0:09:04.920 --> 0:09:07.640 learn the West con system. But I'm still in the 0:09:07.679 --> 0:09:10.480 back of my mind like if all this fails and 0:09:10.559 --> 0:09:14.000 break down, I'm gonna I'm gonna take off and have it. 0:09:14.120 --> 0:09:16.600 Whatever criticism I gotta deal with I'm gonna deal with it, right, 0:09:17.000 --> 0:09:18.439 and I just and I left it at that, and 0:09:18.520 --> 0:09:21.400 I made the Pro Bowl that year, yea. And then 0:09:21.800 --> 0:09:24.760 the next year, you know, you know, sometimes you peek, 0:09:24.840 --> 0:09:27.520 and then you started digress, right, and so and so 0:09:27.760 --> 0:09:32.200 we're regressed. And in two thousand and five, and then 0:09:32.280 --> 0:09:35.000 now he comes to rumbles, he comes to whispers. You know, 0:09:35.120 --> 0:09:36.880 you can't be a running you can't do it both. 0:09:36.960 --> 0:09:39.319 You can't be a duel threat. I run for a 0:09:39.400 --> 0:09:42.960 thousand yards or old six. But we still we don't 0:09:43.000 --> 0:09:46.600 make the playoffs. Right, So now it's like some gotta give. 0:09:46.880 --> 0:09:49.439 And then and then I never made it to the 0:09:49.559 --> 0:09:52.600 two thousand and seven, my seventh season, two thousand and seven, 0:09:52.600 --> 0:09:56.520 because I end up going to prison. But what happened was, say, 0:09:58.080 --> 0:10:01.440 Bobby Petrino came with his offense right, and man, when 0:10:01.480 --> 0:10:03.199 I say I was, I was about to light the 0:10:03.240 --> 0:10:05.559 league up in two thousand and seven, I just never 0:10:05.600 --> 0:10:09.360 made Lamar Jackson was the Hi. Yes, yes, and we 0:10:09.520 --> 0:10:11.599 was about to run it in the NFL. It was 0:10:11.640 --> 0:10:15.400 about to get crazy. Go back. You did something that 0:10:15.480 --> 0:10:17.680 no other team had ever done. You went to lambeau 0:10:17.800 --> 0:10:21.960 Field and beat the Packers and a home playoff game 0:10:22.720 --> 0:10:25.040 that raised the bar from Mike Vick, because think about 0:10:25.080 --> 0:10:27.079 all those other great teams that have gone through, all 0:10:27.120 --> 0:10:30.199 those other great quarterbacks have gone to Lambo and taste 0:10:30.240 --> 0:10:33.400 the defeat in the playoffs. Pickcume, Michael Vick, that might 0:10:33.480 --> 0:10:37.880 have been what two thousand and second season. When you 0:10:37.960 --> 0:10:39.800 go into your second season, now you have to be 0:10:39.840 --> 0:10:41.240 first of all to get to the playoffs. You gotta 0:10:41.240 --> 0:10:44.480 go to Cleveland. You beat Cleveland, and Cleveland Cleveland, well, yeah, 0:10:44.520 --> 0:10:47.679 we we beat Cleveland. It was a crazy clean Yeah, 0:10:47.840 --> 0:10:49.520 you're crazy within a couple of games at the end 0:10:49.720 --> 0:10:51.720 just to make the playoff. That I learned in that game. 0:10:52.320 --> 0:10:54.400 You know, all the guys, you know, we're playing in Cleveland, 0:10:55.520 --> 0:10:58.400 no sleeves, no sleeves, gotta be tough, all this whole 0:10:58.520 --> 0:11:02.520 you know, tough guys type. And uh I froze frozen. 0:11:03.600 --> 0:11:05.959 I'm like never again. So that next week in Green Based, 0:11:06.280 --> 0:11:09.400 I'm warm, right, I'm ready to go when we blasting right, 0:11:09.559 --> 0:11:11.439 we marched up in there and Shay and it it 0:11:11.600 --> 0:11:14.160 was I never say the game was easy that night. 0:11:14.200 --> 0:11:16.640 It was like, you know, and it's a sense of calm, right, 0:11:16.800 --> 0:11:20.960 And then you like emotionally, you you're not. Really, it's 0:11:20.960 --> 0:11:24.959 no anxiety with the underdogs. But we already you know 0:11:25.120 --> 0:11:27.120 there's Brent Father on the other side, So I'm I'm 0:11:27.120 --> 0:11:29.760 ecstatic to be going up against him, right, I'm like, man, 0:11:29.800 --> 0:11:32.160 I get to go against my childhood hero right to 0:11:32.280 --> 0:11:35.360 some degree. And uh man, we waxing him that night though, 0:11:35.640 --> 0:11:38.120 right we got to him. I look at Lamar Jackson, 0:11:38.200 --> 0:11:40.520 and Lamar Jackson, I think he compares favorably to you, 0:11:41.080 --> 0:11:44.040 not just because he's a black quarterback, but his ability 0:11:44.120 --> 0:11:45.640 to throw the football. I think he might be a 0:11:45.720 --> 0:11:47.800 little better passor to you, especially at this stage of 0:11:47.880 --> 0:11:51.280 his career. You said that you believe Lamar is a 0:11:51.520 --> 0:11:54.480 more dynamic runner than you are. I don't know about that, Mike. 0:11:54.880 --> 0:11:57.240 Uh you know, I made it. I made a comment 0:11:57.360 --> 0:12:00.240 when he was in college and college it was just 0:12:00.320 --> 0:12:02.000 one of them days when I'm sitting there and watching 0:12:02.120 --> 0:12:04.880 him and I'm like, hold on, I played against Florida 0:12:04.920 --> 0:12:08.360 State in the National Championship. I gave him work, right, 0:12:08.920 --> 0:12:11.319 but he was just like he was. He was toying 0:12:11.400 --> 0:12:13.280 with him. I'm just playing with him. It looked effortless, 0:12:13.320 --> 0:12:17.559 it looked easy and Bob Vitrino was the coach, and 0:12:17.640 --> 0:12:21.040 I'm like, I just I just had to say it, right, 0:12:21.440 --> 0:12:24.840 And it was almost like I was waiting to see 0:12:24.920 --> 0:12:27.440 something like this, right. I never thought I would see 0:12:27.480 --> 0:12:31.120 somebody who looked like me ever again. But then in 0:12:31.160 --> 0:12:33.320 the back of my mind and like that can't be possible, 0:12:33.440 --> 0:12:37.160 Like you know, God working mysterious ways, somebody gonna come along. 0:12:37.240 --> 0:12:39.400 So as I'm watching Lamar, I'm really trying to push 0:12:39.920 --> 0:12:42.280 the envelope for him, like he needed to play it 0:12:42.320 --> 0:12:44.480 on the next I can't wait to see him on 0:12:44.559 --> 0:12:49.040 the next level in today's time and today's offenses. That 0:12:49.320 --> 0:12:52.080 what he would look like now. And he ended up 0:12:52.080 --> 0:12:55.920 getting drafted to Baltimore. And you know, are you surprised 0:12:55.960 --> 0:12:58.400 that people wanted to change positions, That they wanted him 0:12:58.400 --> 0:12:59.800 to be a wide receiver, They wanted him to be 0:13:00.000 --> 0:13:02.440 something other than the quarterback. Although the man had won 0:13:02.520 --> 0:13:05.679 the Heidsman Trophy, had a better year his third year 0:13:05.960 --> 0:13:08.120 than he had the year that he won the Heisman, 0:13:08.400 --> 0:13:10.679 and people still say, nah, we hadn't seen enough. We 0:13:10.720 --> 0:13:12.600 want you to try a position. But to his credit, 0:13:12.800 --> 0:13:15.560 to his mom credit, he said, nah, I'm a quarterback. 0:13:15.720 --> 0:13:17.599 She said, my son is a quarterback, and if you 0:13:17.640 --> 0:13:20.160 don't want to draft him at that position, that's your choice. 0:13:20.400 --> 0:13:23.480 But he'll only play quarterback, absolutely I did. I did 0:13:23.559 --> 0:13:26.440 some interviews for Garden Lamar leading up to the draft, 0:13:26.559 --> 0:13:29.959 right and I told a reporter who said it to me, 0:13:30.120 --> 0:13:33.040 that's the stupidest thing I ever heard. I can't remember 0:13:33.120 --> 0:13:36.800 who it was, when network, what outlet, but I told him, 0:13:36.800 --> 0:13:39.079 that's the stupidest thing I ever heard. If this guy 0:13:39.160 --> 0:13:42.120 don't play quarterback in the National Football League to be 0:13:42.160 --> 0:13:47.080 a tragedy, tragedy and whether he went like I don't 0:13:47.080 --> 0:13:49.920 care which y'all talking him. If he don't go in 0:13:50.000 --> 0:13:52.439 the first, second, and third, and that's cool. If you 0:13:52.640 --> 0:13:55.280 who I said, whoever draft him in the fifth, sixth, 0:13:55.360 --> 0:13:57.959 seventh round him, that's what y'all think, don't get a gym. 0:13:58.840 --> 0:14:01.760 And he'll eventually become one of the best quarterbacks in 0:14:01.800 --> 0:14:03.920 the National Football because you know you got You can 0:14:04.000 --> 0:14:06.719 look at some guys and you know he's instinctive. He's 0:14:06.720 --> 0:14:08.559 gonna know how to maneuver the pocket and work it. 0:14:08.800 --> 0:14:13.120 He's gotta get with offensive coordinator who can mode him. 0:14:13.120 --> 0:14:15.840 I think the best thing for Lamar was getting drafted 0:14:15.920 --> 0:14:18.160 to Baltimore and Marty morning Wigg was there. He was 0:14:18.280 --> 0:14:20.760 a disciple of Andy Reid West Coast System, so he 0:14:20.800 --> 0:14:24.000 got to learn protect since and because what Marty the 0:14:24.040 --> 0:14:25.800 OLC when you were in Marty was the OCIE when 0:14:25.800 --> 0:14:28.120 I was in Fieling. Okay, yep, and Andy was was 0:14:28.200 --> 0:14:30.800 the overseers and and and so on and so forth. 0:14:30.960 --> 0:14:34.480 But he got the chance to get a great understanding 0:14:35.040 --> 0:14:41.240 of offenses. Right. So the contract they offered him a contract, 0:14:41.720 --> 0:14:44.640 it wasn't too his liking. He seed the contract out there. 0:14:44.680 --> 0:14:48.880 He seed DeShawn Watson's contract two hundred and fifty million guaranteed. 0:14:49.440 --> 0:14:52.280 Deshaun Watson is a phenomenal player, but I don't believe 0:14:52.320 --> 0:14:55.080 he's accomplished as much as in the NFL as Lamar 0:14:55.240 --> 0:14:58.680 has Lamar is a unanimous MVP. Yeah. Lamar is a 0:14:58.800 --> 0:15:01.280 multiple time Pro Bowl player. He's won a playoff game, 0:15:01.520 --> 0:15:04.240 gotten his team to the playoffs several times. He's like, 0:15:04.400 --> 0:15:07.600 you know what he said, Now my contract is dry. 0:15:08.080 --> 0:15:11.000 I'm on the last page, the last chapter, the punctuation 0:15:11.080 --> 0:15:15.200 of my contract. DeShawn had years left on his contract 0:15:15.200 --> 0:15:19.800 and Cleveland tore it up. Yeah, He's like, how would 0:15:19.800 --> 0:15:22.240 you have approached that situation. They come to you now, 0:15:22.320 --> 0:15:24.320 they offer you more money than you ever thought you'd 0:15:24.360 --> 0:15:26.600 ever made. And he said, Noah, I'm worth more than that. 0:15:27.400 --> 0:15:30.400 And you know, the NFL season is a land mine. 0:15:30.840 --> 0:15:33.960 One wrong step and something goes do And he said, 0:15:34.000 --> 0:15:37.040 you know what, because I'm willing to roll the dice. 0:15:37.120 --> 0:15:40.040 I'm gonna bet on me. And at the end of 0:15:40.080 --> 0:15:44.120 the year, yesterday's prices, fat, Joe say, is not today's 0:15:44.160 --> 0:15:47.880 price exactly? What if you if I don't know, if 0:15:47.920 --> 0:15:49.880 you talk to him, if you could advise Lamar, how 0:15:49.920 --> 0:15:53.520 would you have advised him in that situation? I understand 0:15:53.680 --> 0:15:56.480 I would have advised them in terms of like I 0:15:56.640 --> 0:16:01.200 understand the business acmen and its whole situation like it 0:16:01.880 --> 0:16:03.960 it makes sense for you to get the most money 0:16:04.640 --> 0:16:07.400 that you can possibly make in this game because, like 0:16:07.480 --> 0:16:11.120 you say, one false movie, season, end career, can it 0:16:11.200 --> 0:16:15.040 be ended injury? And then you know you may get 0:16:15.120 --> 0:16:18.320 treated in a certain way, and so that's that's logical, 0:16:18.400 --> 0:16:23.720 that's that that could become fat. But one, I think 0:16:23.800 --> 0:16:28.960 Cleveland made that move to make it hard for Baltimore. Two, 0:16:31.000 --> 0:16:34.720 When you when you accept this type of money versus 0:16:34.960 --> 0:16:39.360 based on cap space, and the one thing that it 0:16:39.840 --> 0:16:42.280 becomes a real issue is that it's hard to sign 0:16:42.400 --> 0:16:45.920 other guys. Man, it's hard to keep teams together. You're 0:16:45.920 --> 0:16:55.600 gonna eventually have to restructure. I restructure, yeah, but guaranteed. 0:16:55.720 --> 0:16:58.760 But man, you can't go out now. Now limits your 0:16:58.840 --> 0:17:00.920 chances to me, limits the chances of going out and 0:17:01.000 --> 0:17:03.160 getting the championship. But let me tell you what Lamar said. 0:17:03.400 --> 0:17:05.560 Lamar said, after I won the MVP the third year, 0:17:05.640 --> 0:17:07.240 y'all could have came to they could have did it then, 0:17:07.400 --> 0:17:09.440 they could have got it done. Came to me, y'all 0:17:09.440 --> 0:17:11.040 could have done something. I understand. I thought that said 0:17:11.080 --> 0:17:16.440 y'all didn't believe He said, y'all didn't believe it. God did, right, DJA. 0:17:17.119 --> 0:17:19.520 Because that's the thing what we're saying now is that 0:17:19.600 --> 0:17:22.240 when teams were laving their quarterbacks. We saw with my homes, 0:17:22.440 --> 0:17:25.280 we saw with Josh Allen, even we saw it with 0:17:25.440 --> 0:17:27.959 Sean when they believe in that quarterback. After that third year, 0:17:28.160 --> 0:17:31.159 even in Houston, yeah, they would they go give you 0:17:31.320 --> 0:17:34.040 the money because they believe in you, because they didn't. 0:17:34.240 --> 0:17:36.880 The man had an MVP. Yeah, he had an MVP, 0:17:37.000 --> 0:17:39.960 ananimous MVP only two players in the history ever won unanimously. 0:17:40.320 --> 0:17:42.240 So he said, so, what else do I need to do? 0:17:42.760 --> 0:17:45.320 I would have now at that in that moment, I 0:17:45.400 --> 0:17:47.520 probably would have got with my reps and went to 0:17:47.640 --> 0:17:49.280 the went to the table right there, and they like, 0:17:49.480 --> 0:17:51.000 let's just get this out of the way because it's 0:17:51.040 --> 0:17:54.040 gonna be a bigger issue next year, right, And that 0:17:54.160 --> 0:17:57.160 didn't happen, So, you know, right, having the right representation 0:17:57.240 --> 0:17:59.919 and all that at the right time, timing is everything, 0:18:00.040 --> 0:18:01.560 and a lot of these well, his representation is his 0:18:01.640 --> 0:18:03.080 mom is he is, his mom is handling with him, 0:18:03.119 --> 0:18:05.320 help from the NFL. Yeah, yeah, yeah, which I respect. 0:18:05.359 --> 0:18:08.359 I respect that, and uh, but it's just heart because 0:18:08.400 --> 0:18:11.159 you know, look, when you've been in contract negotiation, the 0:18:11.240 --> 0:18:14.800 team's gonna tell you everything that you're not right, and 0:18:14.960 --> 0:18:18.000 sometimes it gets personal. And the one thing I don't want, 0:18:18.080 --> 0:18:21.000 don't you tell your agent. Your agent doesn't tell you 0:18:21.200 --> 0:18:23.399 all the things bad that they say about you. Right, 0:18:23.480 --> 0:18:25.840 he keep because he knows you're human. Human. Ellen is 0:18:25.880 --> 0:18:28.040 gonna come into a place. Oh that's what y'all think 0:18:28.040 --> 0:18:30.320 about me, y'all. Y'all don't think I'm good as this guy. 0:18:30.400 --> 0:18:32.040 Y'all don't think I'm that bad as that guy. I 0:18:32.080 --> 0:18:34.440 could get biff And so now you go in there, 0:18:35.600 --> 0:18:38.560 you're huffing and puffing. Yeah. Yeah, this is the one 0:18:38.600 --> 0:18:40.960 thing I would say about my agent, Joel's secure. Shout 0:18:40.960 --> 0:18:42.879 out to Joey. It's like could people. It's like a 0:18:42.920 --> 0:18:47.280 father figure to me. Joe used to have me sometimes 0:18:47.400 --> 0:18:50.159 in the room doing contract negotiations just so I can 0:18:50.240 --> 0:18:52.240 hear some of the things that's being said. Whether I 0:18:52.400 --> 0:18:54.040 like that or not. He's like, you're gonna sit right here, 0:18:54.080 --> 0:18:56.280 You're gonna know all the reasons why I can't get 0:18:56.359 --> 0:18:58.440 something done right. Well, I can't get something done. So 0:18:58.920 --> 0:19:01.040 when I think about repence tation in this sense, I 0:19:01.160 --> 0:19:06.080 think you need that professionalism on some levels so that 0:19:06.160 --> 0:19:08.040 you don't have to ask for everything right, you don't 0:19:08.040 --> 0:19:11.000 have to hear certain things right. That's the only thing 0:19:11.040 --> 0:19:14.440 I think could have been different in this case. But nevertheless, 0:19:14.480 --> 0:19:16.720 he's gonna get the money. It's gonna happen. Whether it 0:19:16.840 --> 0:19:19.360 comes from Baltimore. They'll be fool a fool if they don't. 0:19:19.400 --> 0:19:22.080 You get good quarterback and it's hard to find, Yeah, 0:19:22.119 --> 0:19:25.439 you know that. So it's gonna happen for him. Man, 0:19:25.520 --> 0:19:27.720 It's just all about where, and I hope it's in 0:19:27.800 --> 0:19:31.399 Baltimore because I see, I feel see a championship in 0:19:31.480 --> 0:19:33.280 their future. Right, they do it right. When you look 0:19:33.320 --> 0:19:36.399 at that, you look at Lamar, look at Jalen Hurts, 0:19:36.640 --> 0:19:41.359 you look at Justin Fields, Deshaun. Deshaun is not is 0:19:41.440 --> 0:19:43.320 not as mobile, but he can run. He's more of 0:19:43.359 --> 0:19:45.320 a pocket passer when you look at when you look 0:19:45.320 --> 0:19:46.920 at a guy, take a guy like a Jalen Hurts 0:19:46.960 --> 0:19:48.880 and you see where he's come from. Second round pick 0:19:49.320 --> 0:19:51.080