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Speaker 1: your head down and keep grinding, good things come to

424
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Speaker 1: those who wait. You know. Sometimes you know you can

425
00:20:53,760 --> 00:20:55,760
Speaker 1: wait too long and you get the leftovers. But hey,

426
00:20:56,560 --> 00:20:58,720
Speaker 1: if you're at the forefront of it of it and

427
00:20:58,800 --> 00:21:01,800
Speaker 1: they believe in you, you gotta you always got a shot.

428
00:21:01,840 --> 00:21:03,720
Speaker 1: And I think he's a guy that he's been through

429
00:21:03,760 --> 00:21:06,800
Speaker 1: so much chess that he's embraced that role, right you know.

430
00:21:06,960 --> 00:21:10,800
Speaker 1: And it's just you're a great differdence for him right now. Yeah.

431
00:21:10,840 --> 00:21:12,040
Speaker 1: I think the thing is that I look at it

432
00:21:12,080 --> 00:21:13,600
Speaker 1: because a lot of time it's a quarterback. You gotta

433
00:21:13,600 --> 00:21:14,840
Speaker 1: be a lot of different things. You gotta wear a

434
00:21:14,880 --> 00:21:16,800
Speaker 1: lot of hats. You gotta be a politician. You gotta

435
00:21:16,800 --> 00:21:18,320
Speaker 1: shake a lot of hands, You gotta smile a lot

436
00:21:18,359 --> 00:21:20,119
Speaker 1: of guys. Faith You just gonna because you on the

437
00:21:20,160 --> 00:21:22,480
Speaker 1: offensive side. You gotta mix with the defensive guy. You

438
00:21:22,520 --> 00:21:24,760
Speaker 1: gotta talk to the special teams guys. You gotta be

439
00:21:24,840 --> 00:21:26,840
Speaker 1: part psychiatris. You gotta a guy who got a problem

440
00:21:26,880 --> 00:21:28,400
Speaker 1: to go cover to. You gotta talk to him about

441
00:21:28,480 --> 00:21:31,480
Speaker 1: every all of them. But you gotta be part coach,

442
00:21:31,800 --> 00:21:34,639
Speaker 1: big brother. You gotta be all of that. When Uh,

443
00:21:35,000 --> 00:21:41,960
Speaker 1: the quarterbacks now Tom Brady forty three, twenty third season

444
00:21:42,320 --> 00:21:44,440
Speaker 1: struggle a little bit earlier this year seems to be

445
00:21:44,520 --> 00:21:49,440
Speaker 1: turning around. Aaron Rodgers, uh struggling, played great against Green Bay,

446
00:21:49,720 --> 00:21:53,000
Speaker 1: struggled again against the Tennessee Titans. What are you seeing

447
00:21:53,119 --> 00:21:57,960
Speaker 1: from these guys, Because it seemed that the statuesque quarterback

448
00:21:58,280 --> 00:22:00,720
Speaker 1: like Tom Brady, like we saw with Peyton Manning, like

449
00:22:00,840 --> 00:22:03,120
Speaker 1: we saw Drew Brees, it seems to me that those

450
00:22:03,200 --> 00:22:05,560
Speaker 1: guys are becoming relics that I don't know, the guys

451
00:22:05,600 --> 00:22:08,160
Speaker 1: they're morphing away from those guys. And I'm not saying

452
00:22:08,200 --> 00:22:10,200
Speaker 1: the guy have to be you, but the guy have

453
00:22:10,320 --> 00:22:12,920
Speaker 1: to have like Patrick Mahomes, right, guy have to have

454
00:22:13,119 --> 00:22:16,560
Speaker 1: somewhat like a Josh. Guys that can move, yeah, little

455
00:22:16,640 --> 00:22:20,879
Speaker 1: Josh Allen. It's it's saddens me because I love I

456
00:22:21,280 --> 00:22:25,120
Speaker 1: idolized Peyton and Drew and Tom for so many years,

457
00:22:25,280 --> 00:22:27,280
Speaker 1: Like even when it came to mad and I'm like, man,

458
00:22:27,280 --> 00:22:29,600
Speaker 1: I'm not playing with me. I'm not playing with Donovan,

459
00:22:29,920 --> 00:22:32,560
Speaker 1: even though Donovan was dope on a game Like I'm

460
00:22:32,880 --> 00:22:36,520
Speaker 1: Steve McNair. I want I want to I want what

461
00:22:36,600 --> 00:22:38,920
Speaker 1: they got, you know, I would love to have what

462
00:22:39,040 --> 00:22:43,000
Speaker 1: they have in terms of the sense of playing the quarterback.

463
00:22:43,040 --> 00:22:44,960
Speaker 1: But and I want to get there one day. That's

464
00:22:45,080 --> 00:22:47,680
Speaker 1: my ultimate goal is to one day just come to

465
00:22:47,760 --> 00:22:51,400
Speaker 1: the line change plays. Yeah, yeah, we were moving, we're

466
00:22:51,480 --> 00:22:56,000
Speaker 1: running and so the seed and it'll be some quarterbacks

467
00:22:56,040 --> 00:22:58,680
Speaker 1: that I thought Trevor Lawrence would be that guy. But

468
00:22:58,760 --> 00:23:02,080
Speaker 1: still Trevor Lawrence can move, can move and move. So

469
00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:05,000
Speaker 1: it's like every guy who's coming in now if you

470
00:23:05,040 --> 00:23:06,560
Speaker 1: look at the guys who will be coming out in

471
00:23:06,600 --> 00:23:08,640
Speaker 1: the next couple of years, Uh, it was it. Caleb

472
00:23:08,680 --> 00:23:13,360
Speaker 1: Williams from usc Hill doesn't run as much as Kayle,

473
00:23:13,480 --> 00:23:15,800
Speaker 1: but you see Caleb obviously Caleb Williams to run. But

474
00:23:15,840 --> 00:23:18,560
Speaker 1: you see bright young guys. You got a little better wheels.

475
00:23:18,600 --> 00:23:20,879
Speaker 1: And it's and so it's like the game is trending

476
00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:24,160
Speaker 1: towards that's what coaches want, right you see Daniel Jones

477
00:23:24,240 --> 00:23:26,680
Speaker 1: like they call him Vanilla vic. I know it was

478
00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:29,240
Speaker 1: the funniest thing ever, but it was cool. It was

479
00:23:29,280 --> 00:23:31,159
Speaker 1: a cool What what do you think's going on with

480
00:23:31,240 --> 00:23:33,400
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers? And I've told people, I said, I think

481
00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:35,800
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers is going through what tarm Brady went through

482
00:23:35,840 --> 00:23:39,600
Speaker 1: twenty nineteen. He needs more talent around him. Brady realized

483
00:23:39,920 --> 00:23:41,520
Speaker 1: that there's not just good enough for me to have

484
00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:43,960
Speaker 1: a guy that can catch the ball and fall down. Yeah,

485
00:23:44,080 --> 00:23:46,840
Speaker 1: I need I need more because as we look as

486
00:23:46,920 --> 00:23:49,000
Speaker 1: we age, no matter what it is, the professional spourths

487
00:23:49,040 --> 00:23:51,040
Speaker 1: or not, we need more help doing things than we

488
00:23:51,119 --> 00:23:54,480
Speaker 1: start to eight oh man. And so what before Tom

489
00:23:54,520 --> 00:23:56,800
Speaker 1: Brady could take three guys from Dorchester and go win

490
00:23:56,880 --> 00:24:00,560
Speaker 1: a ball game. Uh, Aaron Rodgers could go take three

491
00:24:00,600 --> 00:24:03,200
Speaker 1: guys from Ashwabbanan, Wisconsin and he can go with the

492
00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:06,720
Speaker 1: ball game. Now they got to have you see Mike Evans,

493
00:24:06,800 --> 00:24:09,159
Speaker 1: you see Chris Godwin. You see top knocks defense, the

494
00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:11,840
Speaker 1: top five defense. You got to have all those things

495
00:24:11,880 --> 00:24:14,919
Speaker 1: with Brady before. I remember Aaron Rodgers won the MVP.

496
00:24:15,280 --> 00:24:17,040
Speaker 1: He had the number one offense in the thirty second

497
00:24:17,119 --> 00:24:19,840
Speaker 1: rank deepen because he could overcome that coming. Yeah, you

498
00:24:19,920 --> 00:24:22,000
Speaker 1: can't now, man. It was like when I got older

499
00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:24,320
Speaker 1: and I lost d Sean and I lost Jeremy mcton.

500
00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:26,960
Speaker 1: I've seen what type of profound effect ahead on just

501
00:24:27,280 --> 00:24:30,639
Speaker 1: my everyday play. Yes, like even in practice, it's like,

502
00:24:31,040 --> 00:24:33,720
Speaker 1: I gotta find ways to make this work right. And

503
00:24:34,119 --> 00:24:36,600
Speaker 1: it's not the same caliber of guys I think for Aaron.

504
00:24:37,520 --> 00:24:41,480
Speaker 1: I don't think A's has anything to do with the

505
00:24:41,600 --> 00:24:45,520
Speaker 1: decline with the entire team and the decline in his play.

506
00:24:46,359 --> 00:24:50,400
Speaker 1: I just think that not having Devonte Adams, we all

507
00:24:50,520 --> 00:24:54,400
Speaker 1: underestimated that whole situation. It's just that that connection. Yeah,

508
00:24:54,440 --> 00:24:56,040
Speaker 1: and I think Aaron did the same thing. I mean,

509
00:24:56,080 --> 00:24:58,359
Speaker 1: I don't know if and I wasn't. You know, none

510
00:24:58,400 --> 00:25:00,480
Speaker 1: of us was in the room. We didn't know who

511
00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:02,720
Speaker 1: fought for who to keep what. You know, he turned

512
00:25:02,760 --> 00:25:04,520
Speaker 1: out he turned out more money from Green Bay to

513
00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:07,440
Speaker 1: go to Vegas, but he did say he felt the uncertainty.

514
00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:09,960
Speaker 1: You can't keep saying you're gonna retire this year. I

515
00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:12,160
Speaker 1: feel bad getting into it. He's like, man, I want

516
00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:15,720
Speaker 1: some security. I want that. But you look, when you're

517
00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:19,280
Speaker 1: a great player, sometimes you overestimate your ability and underestimate

518
00:25:19,359 --> 00:25:21,560
Speaker 1: someone elm do because you know, he like, well, I

519
00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:24,000
Speaker 1: did win to MVP before you got here. He started

520
00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:26,440
Speaker 1: seeing the stats. Aaron Rodgers, is this minute and old.

521
00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:31,320
Speaker 1: When Devonte Adams is hurt, that bad out, I'm good. Yeah,

522
00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:34,480
Speaker 1: And then you know, reading the headlines, Hey, you see

523
00:25:34,520 --> 00:25:37,760
Speaker 1: what DeVante he's that dude? He is he is. It's

524
00:25:37,760 --> 00:25:40,520
Speaker 1: the same in regards of what he's going through and

525
00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:44,280
Speaker 1: uh in Las Vegas right now. But hey, maybe he

526
00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:47,680
Speaker 1: maybe he might circle back to Green Band. He goad

527
00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:52,280
Speaker 1: the weathers they played in door. Don't stay incup with Tom.

528
00:25:52,760 --> 00:25:55,000
Speaker 1: You saw Tom, and Tom was struggling this year. Obviously

529
00:25:55,040 --> 00:25:57,200
Speaker 1: he was going with some things off the field. Maybe

530
00:25:57,240 --> 00:25:59,920
Speaker 1: we didn't know to the extent. Yeah, but I think

531
00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:02,040
Speaker 1: we all surmised when he left for eleven days in

532
00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:04,120
Speaker 1: training camp. You and I both have been to training camp.

533
00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:07,240
Speaker 1: Unless there's a death in the family or some medical emergency,

534
00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:10,159
Speaker 1: they're not We're not getting no eleven days. You might

535
00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:12,520
Speaker 1: get a day, you're not getting the leven days. So

536
00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:14,680
Speaker 1: we knew something was going on, maybe not to the

537
00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:17,000
Speaker 1: extended which it came to pruission that he ended up

538
00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:19,800
Speaker 1: later getting a divorce. And I know, I'm sorry to

539
00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:22,840
Speaker 1: hear that. Hopefully everything is going well in his life now.

540
00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:25,840
Speaker 1: But what do you think was going on outside of

541
00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:27,760
Speaker 1: dealing with what he was dealing off the field? What

542
00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:30,800
Speaker 1: what did you see watching Tom on the field? Yeah,

543
00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:34,359
Speaker 1: I just it was no cohesiveness. And you know, I

544
00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:36,120
Speaker 1: heard y'all said, and I heard you said on the show,

545
00:26:36,119 --> 00:26:40,040
Speaker 1: it's like the ring game is not present any season

546
00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:41,760
Speaker 1: I ever been a part of. Well, we didn't have

547
00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:46,359
Speaker 1: a ring game. It was tumultuous. It was horrible. It

548
00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:48,200
Speaker 1: was hard to move the cham was hard to move

549
00:26:48,280 --> 00:26:51,200
Speaker 1: the ball, and things just don't click. It's not as easy.

550
00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:55,399
Speaker 1: People underestimate the play action game. Yes, yeah, and when

551
00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:58,040
Speaker 1: they when them back, is not stepping up or peeking

552
00:26:58,520 --> 00:27:00,520
Speaker 1: off the plays because they're not worried about the run.

553
00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:04,320
Speaker 1: Right then now you're there. Yeah, Now there's no lanes

554
00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:06,600
Speaker 1: and it gets harder. So I always felt like Tom

555
00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:08,639
Speaker 1: was at his best when he had guys like James

556
00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:11,400
Speaker 1: White even you know he could dump it off Jam

557
00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:15,280
Speaker 1: and it's extension of the passing game. But you know,

558
00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:17,879
Speaker 1: I see them turning the corner and turning the page.

559
00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:21,479
Speaker 1: And I also think Bruce Errans influence. I love Brian Leffers,

560
00:27:21,560 --> 00:27:23,600
Speaker 1: I love bring and what he's brung to the table.

561
00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:27,160
Speaker 1: But I also you know, Bruce Errans is like Andy Reid,

562
00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:30,359
Speaker 1: you know, overseer, you always need it over And when

563
00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:33,159
Speaker 1: we think we got all the answers as as players

564
00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:36,400
Speaker 1: and you think we're great, and we know, sometimes we don't.

565
00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:41,480
Speaker 1: You know, sometimes we need to overseeer. Deshan obviously we

566
00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:44,440
Speaker 1: know a phenomenal talent. He's gone through some things. He

567
00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:46,879
Speaker 1: got suspended for eleven game, dealt with a lot. Ye

568
00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:49,240
Speaker 1: you was the guy that was in a situation. You

569
00:27:49,359 --> 00:27:51,600
Speaker 1: dealt with some things and you came back and you

570
00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:54,200
Speaker 1: had to face that. And that's never gonna go away long,

571
00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:57,399
Speaker 1: that's never gonna go away. Because you went the you

572
00:27:57,880 --> 00:27:59,440
Speaker 1: went to feel it, it followed you the feeling you

573
00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:01,320
Speaker 1: went to Peel Spurg, It followed you the Pittsburgh And

574
00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:04,280
Speaker 1: if so you gonna you're gonna hear it. There're gonna

575
00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:06,320
Speaker 1: be somebody in the stands. It's gonna have a sign.

576
00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:07,879
Speaker 1: They're gonna be some people when you pull up on

577
00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:10,440
Speaker 1: the bus, they're gonna be out there. How would you

578
00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:12,440
Speaker 1: tell de Sean? How would you if you could sit

579
00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:14,600
Speaker 1: down and talk to de Shanan, how would you tell him?

580
00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:17,720
Speaker 1: How would should he handle the situation moving forward? And

581
00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:19,959
Speaker 1: were just going for one You gotta take it one

582
00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:23,000
Speaker 1: day at a time, right, and uh, don't don't take

583
00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:26,360
Speaker 1: it personal, right like, uh, you know, especially when when

584
00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:30,159
Speaker 1: it's it's self inflicted, and so you gotta roll with

585
00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:33,159
Speaker 1: the punchers and you gotta accept your wrongs and and

586
00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:35,879
Speaker 1: move forward. And I think, you know, for me, for

587
00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:39,320
Speaker 1: a long time, it was it was super emotional, right, like,

588
00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:41,040
Speaker 1: you know, I gotta take my emotions out of this,

589
00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:43,440
Speaker 1: and I got gotta look myself in the mirror and say, okay,

590
00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:46,520
Speaker 1: you you know you you made this bed, you gotta

591
00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:48,720
Speaker 1: lay in it. And h I think that's kind of

592
00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:51,080
Speaker 1: you know, the approach that he gotta take moving forward.

593
00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:53,440
Speaker 1: And uh, you know, at the end of the day,

594
00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:55,440
Speaker 1: he still has an opportunity to go out and play

595
00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:57,320
Speaker 1: ball and do the things that he'd love to do.

596
00:28:57,840 --> 00:29:00,560
Speaker 1: And if that that's enough to clear his country in

597
00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:03,120
Speaker 1: a four hour time was time span. And you're gonna

598
00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:06,200
Speaker 1: still hear You're gonna hear echoes, You're gonna hear whispers.

599
00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:09,880
Speaker 1: It's gonna now you're resolving. Your resiliency is gonna be

600
00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:12,600
Speaker 1: tested on all levels, right, And so for him it's

601
00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:15,880
Speaker 1: about just, you know, staying true to himself and uh,

602
00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:18,240
Speaker 1: you know, doing whatever you can to always try to

603
00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:22,120
Speaker 1: make amends. And pertaining to the situation that you went through,

604
00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:25,800
Speaker 1: let's talk about that period that you went through in

605
00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:29,280
Speaker 1: your life. You get the hundred and thirty million dollar contract.

606
00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:31,080
Speaker 1: At the time, you were the highest paid player in

607
00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:35,240
Speaker 1: the NFL. Yeah, Mike, I lived in Atlanta when you

608
00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:39,000
Speaker 1: were in Atlanta, and you might have been you you

609
00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:41,640
Speaker 1: were as popular, if not more popular than Chipper Jones

610
00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:46,480
Speaker 1: and everybody if you from Georgia, they know which. And

611
00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:48,720
Speaker 1: so I'm thinking to myself, Mike, you could have had

612
00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:50,920
Speaker 1: a car dealership, You could have had about five or

613
00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:54,240
Speaker 1: six McDonald's, You could have had franchise at the franchise

614
00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:57,720
Speaker 1: you get that money. What made you to think to say,

615
00:29:57,800 --> 00:30:00,240
Speaker 1: you know what, I want to do something that I

616
00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:02,600
Speaker 1: don't know if you thought that what you did. Was

617
00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:05,280
Speaker 1: that harmful? But I'm saying adult fighting ring, that's where

618
00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:08,600
Speaker 1: you get you get a You probably got twenty five millions. Yeah,

619
00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:11,120
Speaker 1: I mean I I had thirteen million in the bank.

620
00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:15,160
Speaker 1: But you know, when I was twenty five, twenty six

621
00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:16,800
Speaker 1: years old and knew and didn't know what to do

622
00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:19,360
Speaker 1: with it, right, that's where I come from, right, you know,

623
00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:22,280
Speaker 1: by the time I end up at anything about the

624
00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:24,280
Speaker 1: barber shop, I was young, I went to after Blank

625
00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:26,479
Speaker 1: and I told him, I said, mister Blank, he used

626
00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:28,400
Speaker 1: to always come to me like, you're spending all your money.

627
00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:30,480
Speaker 1: You're spending all your money. It's real story to talk.

628
00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:33,560
Speaker 1: And I'm like, nah, I got fifteen million dollars in

629
00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:35,280
Speaker 1: the bank. I don't know what to do with this money, right.

630
00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:37,880
Speaker 1: I got everything I want, every car, every house, whatever.

631
00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:39,560
Speaker 1: I don't know what to do. And it's more coming

632
00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:43,080
Speaker 1: got yeah. Yeah, So I'm like I gotta protect this now.

633
00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:45,719
Speaker 1: So I'm like, it introduced me to some people, right

634
00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:49,200
Speaker 1: and help me, you know, grow this. Right. And so

635
00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:53,560
Speaker 1: we had a sit down and uh, you know, it

636
00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:57,160
Speaker 1: kind of went it kind of went crazy, and that's

637
00:30:57,360 --> 00:31:01,680
Speaker 1: you know, uh, to be determined. But yeah, man, I was.

638
00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:06,520
Speaker 1: I was making those taking those steps to invest my

639
00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:10,000
Speaker 1: money properly, and money was put into Union City, Atlanta.

640
00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:14,760
Speaker 1: I was gonna build a city, strip malls and restaurants,

641
00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:16,840
Speaker 1: and we had a grant were so I was getting there,

642
00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:18,320
Speaker 1: I was turning the car. I was like, I was

643
00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:20,800
Speaker 1: doing what I was supposed to do. And then, uh,

644
00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:24,080
Speaker 1: you know, I ended up you know why, as I

645
00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:26,320
Speaker 1: started to turn the corner, as I started to see

646
00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:28,440
Speaker 1: life different, and you know, I got a you know,

647
00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:30,600
Speaker 1: I got a young, you know daughter at the time,

648
00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:33,680
Speaker 1: I got a son that's like four, and you know,

649
00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:36,240
Speaker 1: as I'm trying starting to make change, you know, it

650
00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:38,920
Speaker 1: was just a little too late. It was a little

651
00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:40,520
Speaker 1: too late. And then I end up going through that,

652
00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:43,160
Speaker 1: and they took everything from me. Right, it took everything

653
00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:46,440
Speaker 1: shin Like I had. I had eight million, like invested

654
00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:48,560
Speaker 1: in the city. They took it all. I'm like, yeah,

655
00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:50,239
Speaker 1: how you do that? So in the other words, they

656
00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:52,400
Speaker 1: thought that the money that even though you had put

657
00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:55,480
Speaker 1: professional athlete, they think that the money that you got,

658
00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:57,520
Speaker 1: you got it through ill got means that you got

659
00:31:57,600 --> 00:32:00,280
Speaker 1: that through the red nah and that nah, and that

660
00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:03,000
Speaker 1: that was that came from my play, right man. I

661
00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:06,080
Speaker 1: saved her real I might have spent I might have

662
00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:09,600
Speaker 1: spent close to maybe liquid, maybe like two million dollars, right,

663
00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:11,960
Speaker 1: but it was just how do you get so much bread?

664
00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:14,479
Speaker 1: Whose whose idea was? It's like, hey, Mike, I got

665
00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:16,400
Speaker 1: this great out because normal the homeboys coming up, they

666
00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:17,760
Speaker 1: got a car wash or they going to get you

667
00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:20,240
Speaker 1: the club home. We got to open the club. Yeah,

668
00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:22,400
Speaker 1: with your money, you know, you take all the real

669
00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:25,440
Speaker 1: you know, everybody got all these ideas with your money,

670
00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:29,840
Speaker 1: breaking anything to the table, but an ideal, no money ideal.

671
00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:32,400
Speaker 1: So so so when they came to used to eight, Mike,

672
00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:34,720
Speaker 1: I think we could do this because I mean with

673
00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:37,320
Speaker 1: any business, I mean it has to have a business model,

674
00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:39,840
Speaker 1: business plan. You gotta get dogs. You want to get

675
00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:42,440
Speaker 1: the best best dogs from all around the world. You

676
00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:44,360
Speaker 1: might have to import dogs from our tent team or

677
00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:47,200
Speaker 1: wherever they do that. You might have to import the dogs. Okay,

678
00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:49,040
Speaker 1: now we got to build out. We got to build

679
00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:51,520
Speaker 1: kindled to how's the dog? I would say this that

680
00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:53,920
Speaker 1: had nothing to do with any of my friends. That

681
00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:55,600
Speaker 1: was your Yeah, I mean yeah, I was kind. I

682
00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:58,040
Speaker 1: grew up and I grew up under that. So like

683
00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:01,200
Speaker 1: I grew up seeing that grew up watching it, so

684
00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:03,560
Speaker 1: it just never like I still had the hood, and

685
00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:06,200
Speaker 1: I still had the hood at me, and it's like, yeah,

686
00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:08,200
Speaker 1: we're gonna stay true to our rules. You worked your

687
00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:10,960
Speaker 1: ass off. You had a lot of homeboys that didn't

688
00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:13,480
Speaker 1: work as hard as you and stayed there. You worked

689
00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:15,880
Speaker 1: your ass off to lead there in order to just

690
00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:18,719
Speaker 1: to go back. Yeah, but nobody never nobody never went

691
00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:22,160
Speaker 1: to prison, though you did think. Yeah, So I'm like,

692
00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:25,280
Speaker 1: I'm you know, I'm from a small town to the south. Yeah,

693
00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:28,520
Speaker 1: I know about yeah, but I had never heard of

694
00:33:28,560 --> 00:33:30,800
Speaker 1: anybody going to jail either. Neither, so I you know,

695
00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:33,360
Speaker 1: so that's why I was like, so, I so I

696
00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:35,440
Speaker 1: didn't go I didn't go to prison for that, right,

697
00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:37,320
Speaker 1: you know. I went to prison for in the state commerce, right,

698
00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:40,800
Speaker 1: which was kind of you know, confusing, like damn, okay,

699
00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:43,680
Speaker 1: you know, so laws and rules had to be changed

700
00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:46,240
Speaker 1: in order to make it so that, you know, I

701
00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:49,560
Speaker 1: went Look, that's water under Bridge got a documentary coming

702
00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:51,880
Speaker 1: out to talk about it and just kind of clearing

703
00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:56,120
Speaker 1: the ale on the big misconceptions and the way I'm perceived.

704
00:33:57,320 --> 00:33:59,720
Speaker 1: It's like you, I don't take in anything away. I

705
00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:03,200
Speaker 1: don't blame anybody but myself everything. But it's some things

706
00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:04,840
Speaker 1: that I you know, I feel I do feel like

707
00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:06,480
Speaker 1: I got to take advantage of it. A lot of

708
00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:08,960
Speaker 1: situations I look at like you didn't have any homeboys.

709
00:34:09,080 --> 00:34:10,960
Speaker 1: I mean like when you first started coming on the show.

710
00:34:11,080 --> 00:34:16,320
Speaker 1: My homeboards are shocked though. They they wanted nothing but

711
00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:19,320
Speaker 1: the best for me, right, But they knew I was

712
00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:21,800
Speaker 1: I was. I was a hard heart and when I

713
00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:23,840
Speaker 1: when I not not because I had a lot of

714
00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:28,160
Speaker 1: money and that could I could make decisions. But they knew, like, yo,

715
00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:30,520
Speaker 1: if I if we deter Mike from doing this, he

716
00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:32,400
Speaker 1: ain't gonna do nothing to continue to do, you know

717
00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:35,680
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. Yeah, So they felt like they were

718
00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:37,480
Speaker 1: they felt like they were stuck between the rock and

719
00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:39,840
Speaker 1: hard spot with me, and I I respect them for

720
00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:43,200
Speaker 1: that and just to I heard the stories of them,

721
00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:45,239
Speaker 1: you know, wanted me to get away from me. But

722
00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:47,080
Speaker 1: they you know, they didn't know what to do, man,

723
00:34:47,200 --> 00:34:50,120
Speaker 1: you know they I mean maybe they felt like and Mike, Mike,

724
00:34:50,680 --> 00:34:52,400
Speaker 1: you might cut me off, if you know if I

725
00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:54,960
Speaker 1: go too hard on them, and and and it's it's

726
00:34:55,840 --> 00:34:59,000
Speaker 1: it's really it's messed up because that's how we was

727
00:34:59,080 --> 00:35:01,279
Speaker 1: on the right track everybody. And then when I say,

728
00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:03,680
Speaker 1: they had big plans, big dreams, and you know, we

729
00:35:03,719 --> 00:35:05,640
Speaker 1: were starting a sports agency. We was doing a lot

730
00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:09,080
Speaker 1: of stuff. Man, they had sharp ideas. And by the

731
00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:13,400
Speaker 1: decision that I made, decision that I made, screwed everything up.

732
00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:17,640
Speaker 1: When you you okay, they come to Fruition, they come

733
00:35:17,719 --> 00:35:20,960
Speaker 1: to find out you got this ring and your your lawyer.

734
00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:22,880
Speaker 1: You had the best money that lawyer can buy. And

735
00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:26,319
Speaker 1: he said, Mike, you're probably gonna do some time. Yeah,

736
00:35:27,040 --> 00:35:30,560
Speaker 1: was the first day with my Let me back up.

737
00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:33,800
Speaker 1: The my lawyer that I really trusted, the one I

738
00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:35,839
Speaker 1: paid the least amount of money, who kept it real

739
00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:38,320
Speaker 1: with me. The lawyers I hired, they brung in the

740
00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:41,560
Speaker 1: pay paid all the money too. They would lie, lie

741
00:35:41,640 --> 00:35:44,439
Speaker 1: to me, bro took my bread and just dipped off,

742
00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:47,200
Speaker 1: just got got lower. But but yeah, but go ahead,

743
00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:49,840
Speaker 1: the the lawyer that you paid the least amount of

744
00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:52,160
Speaker 1: money too. He told you, Mike, you're probably gonna have

745
00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:54,319
Speaker 1: to go set this one down for me. Oh yeah, yeah,

746
00:35:54,600 --> 00:35:58,959
Speaker 1: it wanted like when he broke that new they needed

747
00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:00,640
Speaker 1: to face. Now you said a lot of people didn't

748
00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:02,279
Speaker 1: go to the people didn't go to there for don't fight,

749
00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:04,160
Speaker 1: so they need a face for something. Yeah, but but

750
00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:07,000
Speaker 1: still I knew, like when it was coming to it,

751
00:36:07,160 --> 00:36:09,120
Speaker 1: I was like, man, you know what, man, it's on't right,

752
00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:11,680
Speaker 1: It won't right. I was even though I was turning

753
00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:15,960
Speaker 1: the corner, wasn't into it like that no more. It's

754
00:36:16,040 --> 00:36:19,719
Speaker 1: like I still had I still felt shameful for for

755
00:36:20,120 --> 00:36:22,480
Speaker 1: for what had happened. Right, So it was times why

756
00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:24,120
Speaker 1: I should look myself in the mirror and be like,

757
00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:27,000
Speaker 1: damn boy, you going to prison, like you're about to

758
00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:29,720
Speaker 1: spend some time. When did it? When did When did it? Donald?

759
00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:33,120
Speaker 1: When did this? Like? Man, this bleep just got real.

760
00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:34,880
Speaker 1: I'm about to go to them. I'm about to go

761
00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:36,799
Speaker 1: to the house when they know I want. And they

762
00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:40,040
Speaker 1: didn't get real. It was it wasn't a joke. It

763
00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:43,160
Speaker 1: was never a joke, right, but it didn't get real.

764
00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:46,840
Speaker 1: So they slammed that door and they locked it. I

765
00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:50,880
Speaker 1: was like, hold on, wow, this is really just like

766
00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:52,719
Speaker 1: happening right now. You like three months ago I had

767
00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:54,360
Speaker 1: fifteen meal at the bank. I was like, no, just

768
00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:57,960
Speaker 1: a week ago, a week well it was it was yeah,

769
00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:00,440
Speaker 1: it was all coming but and I your head, all

770
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:03,400
Speaker 1: my I still had all my bread. But it was

771
00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:05,600
Speaker 1: like when they when they when they closed that door,

772
00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:07,640
Speaker 1: it was like every t so for the first when

773
00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:11,279
Speaker 1: I my first day in there, they kept coming to

774
00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:14,640
Speaker 1: check on me. That makes sure because they so they

775
00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:17,200
Speaker 1: like they know it's my first Yeah, you ain't cast

776
00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:18,960
Speaker 1: the foe, but they probably I think they was peeking

777
00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:21,640
Speaker 1: in on me, so like the walls and never I

778
00:37:21,680 --> 00:37:23,160
Speaker 1: mean it's you know, it's just in the room. So

779
00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:25,680
Speaker 1: you know what I did, I took the covers and

780
00:37:25,719 --> 00:37:27,480
Speaker 1: I just put them over my head because like, yoh,

781
00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:29,920
Speaker 1: I feel like I'm about to go crazy for a minute, right,

782
00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:33,040
Speaker 1: And and then I guess until I settled down, and

783
00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:35,560
Speaker 1: they was like all right, he all right, that's when

784
00:37:35,600 --> 00:37:37,719
Speaker 1: they started to check on me. But every time they

785
00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:39,399
Speaker 1: came to that door to check on me, I thought

786
00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:41,239
Speaker 1: it was somebody coming to that door to say, all right,

787
00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:44,560
Speaker 1: you know what we learned your lesson a couple of hours, right,

788
00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:49,279
Speaker 1: somebody build you out, somebody walked in or like yo.

789
00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:52,040
Speaker 1: And then after like they four or five, when I

790
00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:55,879
Speaker 1: realized that nobody coming, that's just when the that's when

791
00:37:55,880 --> 00:37:59,400
Speaker 1: I had to start just like letting all emotions. Did

792
00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:01,319
Speaker 1: you ever cry I cried for two weeks straight. Yeah,

793
00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:03,360
Speaker 1: my wife would say I cra cray for two weeks straight.

794
00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:07,319
Speaker 1: I really cried after I got sentence because I went

795
00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:09,600
Speaker 1: into my sentence and not expecting to get two years,

796
00:38:10,640 --> 00:38:13,279
Speaker 1: you know, expecting it. It was like I said, you

797
00:38:13,560 --> 00:38:15,520
Speaker 1: did a lot of lawyer, a lot of shit like

798
00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:19,160
Speaker 1: leading up to you know, I just felt a drug

799
00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:22,520
Speaker 1: test I was on pre trial, Like, just got a

800
00:38:22,560 --> 00:38:27,160
Speaker 1: drug tests on. Yeah, for drug test? Come yeah, like

801
00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:33,719
Speaker 1: tell about you know, I learned about lessons. I apologetic. Yea.

802
00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:36,319
Speaker 1: I asked I come in the mercy of the court.

803
00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:38,799
Speaker 1: I followed the mercy of the court. He made me pay.

804
00:38:39,719 --> 00:38:42,439
Speaker 1: He made me pay something like. It was funny because

805
00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:45,080
Speaker 1: I was in the club one night on pre trying

806
00:38:45,120 --> 00:38:47,520
Speaker 1: the club. This is where I'm at in life, like

807
00:38:48,520 --> 00:38:51,719
Speaker 1: you know, eyes on you. A random dude come up

808
00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:54,920
Speaker 1: to me and say, you got Judge Henry Hudson. I'm like, yes,

809
00:38:56,520 --> 00:38:58,520
Speaker 1: he said, I went through my pre trial. I did

810
00:38:58,600 --> 00:39:01,640
Speaker 1: everything right, he said, he Judge Henry Husson still gave

811
00:39:01,719 --> 00:39:03,720
Speaker 1: me five years. That's when I knew I was in trouble.

812
00:39:04,719 --> 00:39:06,480
Speaker 1: And I was like, right then and now I made

813
00:39:06,560 --> 00:39:08,840
Speaker 1: up my mind to get ready to go do what

814
00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:10,400
Speaker 1: I needed to do. I still didn't know I was

815
00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:13,520
Speaker 1: gonna get to get over, get a year nin I

816
00:39:13,680 --> 00:39:20,200
Speaker 1: party hard that night, let me go, it's over, It's over.

817
00:39:20,320 --> 00:39:22,680
Speaker 1: And once he said that, he was like, my did everything,

818
00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:25,600
Speaker 1: and I was like, you know what, this about to

819
00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:27,480
Speaker 1: be a chapter in my life that I never forget.

820
00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:30,680
Speaker 1: And you know, hopefully one day I can just live

821
00:39:30,760 --> 00:39:32,759
Speaker 1: to talk about it and laugh about it, right like

822
00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:34,759
Speaker 1: we're doing now. It's not a serious matter. This is

823
00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:38,200
Speaker 1: like you know, for you know, the next generation is

824
00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:40,600
Speaker 1: to see as they watched this and be like, look, man,

825
00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:42,360
Speaker 1: don't play with your career. Don't play with God. What

826
00:39:42,520 --> 00:39:45,080
Speaker 1: God give you in a position that he put you in.

827
00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:47,800
Speaker 1: Never take that for granted. And uh, you know, I

828
00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:49,360
Speaker 1: just wish y'all have known him better. If i'd have

829
00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:51,480
Speaker 1: known him, bet, I would have done bet, I promise you. So,

830
00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:58,840
Speaker 1: you laying there and leavin Worth probably nine eighty. At

831
00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:00,960
Speaker 1: first I went to a county, a county jail for

832
00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:03,440
Speaker 1: like sixty days. Okay, it was like in a in

833
00:40:03,520 --> 00:40:06,680
Speaker 1: a sale sale by myself. And then I went to Leavenworth. Okay,

834
00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:08,480
Speaker 1: you look the Leavenworth and you laying down there, you're

835
00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:14,080
Speaker 1: like trying not to cry elf of you done. Yeah, broh,

836
00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:16,840
Speaker 1: you had a hundred and thirty million dollar contract, you

837
00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:19,840
Speaker 1: had fifteen mill at the bank, you got another seven

838
00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:22,320
Speaker 1: eight million coming a year for the next seven years,

839
00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:27,960
Speaker 1: and now you just like the rest of the knucklehead

840
00:40:28,040 --> 00:40:30,200
Speaker 1: that they've done, just like everybody else you get in

841
00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:33,560
Speaker 1: here that I've really told myself, you just like everybody

842
00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:36,279
Speaker 1: else in here, and you're gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna

843
00:40:36,640 --> 00:40:38,759
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna act like I'm better than nobody in here.

844
00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:42,000
Speaker 1: So what did the guys what? What were you ever

845
00:40:42,040 --> 00:40:44,080
Speaker 1: around any other guys? I was, yeah, I was around.

846
00:40:44,120 --> 00:40:50,440
Speaker 1: They wanted to say that, they wanted to say that,

847
00:40:51,640 --> 00:40:53,520
Speaker 1: but they had so much respect for me. It was

848
00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:56,279
Speaker 1: like they brought me in like small little brother. We

849
00:40:56,320 --> 00:40:59,759
Speaker 1: gotta get through this right, like like they they seen

850
00:40:59,840 --> 00:41:04,319
Speaker 1: them pain, right, they've seen the pain. The toughest part

851
00:41:04,560 --> 00:41:10,040
Speaker 1: was being in there and filing bankruptcy though, because you know,

852
00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:12,759
Speaker 1: all this time I thought I got all that but

853
00:41:12,920 --> 00:41:14,600
Speaker 1: at the bank, but it got put out that by

854
00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:16,000
Speaker 1: put it in the ground. I'm like, yo, hold on,

855
00:41:16,080 --> 00:41:18,359
Speaker 1: I just gave eight million dollars to this guy. Over here,

856
00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:24,080
Speaker 1: am I filing bankruptcy? So everybody looking at me like, oh, like, yo,

857
00:41:24,200 --> 00:41:26,360
Speaker 1: you got it. I thought you said you had investments,

858
00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:30,200
Speaker 1: and I'm like, yo, brod doude do. So this's always

859
00:41:30,280 --> 00:41:32,520
Speaker 1: been a mystery to me, and it's a coaching I'm

860
00:41:32,560 --> 00:41:34,239
Speaker 1: still trying to crack to this day when I'm going

861
00:41:34,280 --> 00:41:36,640
Speaker 1: a little hard on the now Shay, going a little

862
00:41:36,680 --> 00:41:38,440
Speaker 1: hard on it now. Man, A lot of money came

863
00:41:38,520 --> 00:41:42,680
Speaker 1: up mission you filed bank ruptcy, and I heard you

864
00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:45,400
Speaker 1: talk about it, and I don't remember what I heard it,

865
00:41:45,440 --> 00:41:48,359
Speaker 1: but you said, you know what, I'm gonna make right

866
00:41:48,760 --> 00:41:52,520
Speaker 1: everybody that I'm wrong. I'm gonna I'm gonna make full

867
00:41:52,640 --> 00:41:56,280
Speaker 1: restitution to everybody. Absolutely. Why would that so important? Because

868
00:41:56,400 --> 00:42:01,040
Speaker 1: I know it me. Oh well, I'm sorry, y'all like

869
00:42:01,160 --> 00:42:04,800
Speaker 1: the rift up, it's the way up, brouh. Yeah. But

870
00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:11,440
Speaker 1: you paid back every last every creditor. Why was that

871
00:42:11,560 --> 00:42:17,920
Speaker 1: so important that you might? Because I've the money that

872
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:20,560
Speaker 1: I invested. I thought I was gonna get that back, right.

873
00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:23,640
Speaker 1: I thought it was gonna come back somehow somewhere. I'm like, Okay,

874
00:42:23,640 --> 00:42:26,080
Speaker 1: if I pay everything back, then at least the the

875
00:42:26,280 --> 00:42:30,800
Speaker 1: eight million dollars that I invested will come back, you know,

876
00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:34,000
Speaker 1: might come back double it might it might you know,

877
00:42:34,080 --> 00:42:36,600
Speaker 1: it might not might might liquidated and it might not

878
00:42:36,680 --> 00:42:38,879
Speaker 1: be worth what it might be six millions, but still

879
00:42:39,560 --> 00:42:44,120
Speaker 1: got somebody got something. And so I choose to you know,

880
00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:46,520
Speaker 1: the Falcons that came out to they you know, everybody

881
00:42:46,600 --> 00:42:49,480
Speaker 1: came out to their money and hold on the Falcons.

882
00:42:49,520 --> 00:42:52,440
Speaker 1: Can't got the money due. Yeah, yeah, that was the

883
00:42:52,480 --> 00:42:54,880
Speaker 1: reason I had to foul bankrupts. What the hold on?

884
00:42:56,200 --> 00:42:58,719
Speaker 1: So they so they wanted to sign the bolters back. Yeah,

885
00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:01,960
Speaker 1: they came out to the bonus and I respect him

886
00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:04,440
Speaker 1: for that because it was, like, you know, I mean

887
00:43:04,719 --> 00:43:08,279
Speaker 1: I was that bad. Yeah, I was, like I was,

888
00:43:08,640 --> 00:43:10,640
Speaker 1: I was hurt. But I lose sleep at night over

889
00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:13,880
Speaker 1: it because you know, even just going through the bankruptcy

890
00:43:13,880 --> 00:43:16,680
Speaker 1: and the whole bankruptcy committee and UH and the trustees

891
00:43:16,719 --> 00:43:18,320
Speaker 1: and all that was like I got it. I was.

892
00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:20,640
Speaker 1: It was a lot of questions that never got answered right,

893
00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:24,880
Speaker 1: and it's just really frustrating and like yeah, like no,

894
00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:26,759
Speaker 1: I'm a black man. I got worked hard for this,

895
00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:30,000
Speaker 1: and I did pay all the money back, but at

896
00:43:30,080 --> 00:43:33,320
Speaker 1: least kidding, can I can I get the rest of it.

897
00:43:33,400 --> 00:43:35,000
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, Where's the rest of it?

898
00:43:35,120 --> 00:43:37,279
Speaker 1: Because the narrative on me is that I I was

899
00:43:37,360 --> 00:43:39,279
Speaker 1: bad with money and I blew all my money and

900
00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:46,399
Speaker 1: I screwed her. No, I didn't, right with Is there

901
00:43:46,480 --> 00:43:50,640
Speaker 1: anything that you could have done differently? Obviously been from

902
00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:52,480
Speaker 1: Newport News. There are a lot of guys from that

903
00:43:52,760 --> 00:43:59,200
Speaker 1: Allen Irisms, Sweepye where the arrest Bruce Bruce Smith is

904
00:43:59,360 --> 00:44:01,359
Speaker 1: is from. He's a little father, I think, a little

905
00:44:01,360 --> 00:44:04,560
Speaker 1: father than you are. Some business athletes from that area.

906
00:44:04,600 --> 00:44:07,840
Speaker 1: Your your cousin is Aaron Brooks, yep quarterback, Pro Bowl quarterback,

907
00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:10,560
Speaker 1: played with the Saints, had had had a nice career.

908
00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:15,040
Speaker 1: Is there anything Is there any friends that you could

909
00:44:15,080 --> 00:44:16,960
Speaker 1: have had if you could have surrounded yourself with some

910
00:44:17,120 --> 00:44:19,920
Speaker 1: different people, do you think the situation would have been different?

911
00:44:20,160 --> 00:44:23,360
Speaker 1: What could Michael Vick have done differently to to to

912
00:44:23,640 --> 00:44:27,480
Speaker 1: have a different outcome? Uh? Probably listened to my mom.

913
00:44:28,680 --> 00:44:30,719
Speaker 1: So what did your mom say when your mom? Your

914
00:44:30,719 --> 00:44:32,960
Speaker 1: mom know, mom found out when my mom found out

915
00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:34,719
Speaker 1: what was going on, Mom's just like, we need to

916
00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:38,000
Speaker 1: stop doing what you're doing. Right. Let's say I got

917
00:44:38,080 --> 00:44:40,279
Speaker 1: thirteen million dollars in the bank, I got money. Now,

918
00:44:40,320 --> 00:44:43,560
Speaker 1: I'm I'm I'm I'm looking at it like Mom, I'm

919
00:44:43,600 --> 00:44:46,200
Speaker 1: all right, right, I got it. Anything happened, I got

920
00:44:46,239 --> 00:44:49,319
Speaker 1: it under control. I I it's it's I'm not doing

921
00:44:49,520 --> 00:44:52,000
Speaker 1: I'm lying to her right. My mom looked in my

922
00:44:52,040 --> 00:44:54,040
Speaker 1: eyes and one there she told me, she's like you

923
00:44:55,040 --> 00:44:58,680
Speaker 1: you're not happy. Man. I got all this, I got everything,

924
00:44:58,719 --> 00:45:01,160
Speaker 1: and she's like, yo, you're not happy. What were you missing? Side?

925
00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:03,239
Speaker 1: Why why do you think you weren't happy? It was

926
00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:05,359
Speaker 1: just a lot of guilt to what I was doing.

927
00:45:07,040 --> 00:45:09,160
Speaker 1: You know, I had a lot of other situations going

928
00:45:09,239 --> 00:45:12,480
Speaker 1: on with kids and family, you know, well my son

929
00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:14,880
Speaker 1: and going through it with you know, his mom. So

930
00:45:15,840 --> 00:45:17,680
Speaker 1: I just wasn't in a good place in like two

931
00:45:17,760 --> 00:45:19,640
Speaker 1: thousand and six, two thousand and seven, I was really

932
00:45:19,680 --> 00:45:22,879
Speaker 1: searching for happiness when I had everything that I thought

933
00:45:22,920 --> 00:45:25,359
Speaker 1: I wanted and everything I worked hard for in life,

934
00:45:25,400 --> 00:45:28,839
Speaker 1: and then you know, and this was before anything even

935
00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:32,640
Speaker 1: if popped off. I was just it was a lot

936
00:45:32,680 --> 00:45:34,160
Speaker 1: of people coming to me trying to get You had

937
00:45:34,160 --> 00:45:36,160
Speaker 1: everything that you would hope for, Mike of a child,

938
00:45:36,239 --> 00:45:38,560
Speaker 1: you hope to have riches beyond your wildest dreams. You

939
00:45:38,680 --> 00:45:40,880
Speaker 1: had you hope to be more famous than anybody you

940
00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:43,120
Speaker 1: had ever known, and you had that. You had everything

941
00:45:43,200 --> 00:45:44,880
Speaker 1: that you had hoped for, but you weren't happy. You

942
00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:48,320
Speaker 1: didn't have peace. Yep, I didn't have peace, you know.

943
00:45:48,520 --> 00:45:52,000
Speaker 1: I just wanted to be drafted in the first, second, third,

944
00:45:52,120 --> 00:45:54,439
Speaker 1: fourth round, not not even in I never thought i'd

945
00:45:54,480 --> 00:45:56,520
Speaker 1: be drafted in the first round as a quarterback. Ever,

946
00:45:56,880 --> 00:45:58,920
Speaker 1: when you started hearing you'd think you could be a

947
00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:01,319
Speaker 1: drafted the first round, and started hearing talks that Mike

948
00:46:01,400 --> 00:46:03,239
Speaker 1: Bick might be the first pick of the draft, I'm

949
00:46:03,280 --> 00:46:07,560
Speaker 1: like me. I had a good friend telling me, like

950
00:46:07,640 --> 00:46:13,680
Speaker 1: after my first year, Cornell Brown, Yeah, okay, Cornell was

951
00:46:13,719 --> 00:46:15,120
Speaker 1: like the bottom. He used to come pick me up

952
00:46:15,160 --> 00:46:17,160
Speaker 1: and from Virginia Tech. He was like the Baltimore Ravens

953
00:46:17,160 --> 00:46:18,920
Speaker 1: said they they'll take you on the top five. I

954
00:46:19,040 --> 00:46:21,959
Speaker 1: just finished up my freshman year. Yeah, I was like, whoa,

955
00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:24,880
Speaker 1: But still that dream could become a reality. I had

956
00:46:24,920 --> 00:46:26,560
Speaker 1: one more season to do, and I'm like, I gotta

957
00:46:26,600 --> 00:46:29,200
Speaker 1: stay focused. So I knew I was on my way.

958
00:46:29,480 --> 00:46:30,560
Speaker 1: I knew I had a shout out. It was just

959
00:46:30,600 --> 00:46:34,480
Speaker 1: all about keeping everything in perspect right. So you get

960
00:46:34,560 --> 00:46:37,680
Speaker 1: that you do your time. You did twenty three months, right,

961
00:46:37,960 --> 00:46:42,480
Speaker 1: it's twenty three twenty three months, hard months. Coach done.

962
00:46:42,640 --> 00:46:44,600
Speaker 1: I think the coach don you come visit you, coach

963
00:46:44,640 --> 00:46:48,040
Speaker 1: don you came to visit. As soon as I got

964
00:46:48,120 --> 00:46:51,440
Speaker 1: out and went straight they I went to see Roger, author,

965
00:46:51,600 --> 00:46:55,080
Speaker 1: author Blank came to see me at my house, and

966
00:46:55,400 --> 00:46:58,440
Speaker 1: uh no, it was just good to see those those guys.

967
00:46:58,520 --> 00:47:01,560
Speaker 1: And definitely my Donna say something, Roger Man, this this

968
00:47:01,640 --> 00:47:03,840
Speaker 1: is what changed my life. I sat down with Roger

969
00:47:03,880 --> 00:47:09,000
Speaker 1: and Rogers like Rogerdale to commit Rogdale and uh, I

970
00:47:09,080 --> 00:47:11,319
Speaker 1: said Roger, because I lied to Rod. I told Roger

971
00:47:11,400 --> 00:47:13,680
Speaker 1: Bold face lit right in the slace, Roger, I'm sorry

972
00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:16,919
Speaker 1: that shitn' a lit. Roger say like, hey, hey, we're

973
00:47:16,960 --> 00:47:19,400
Speaker 1: not here to talk about the past. We had to

974
00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:22,640
Speaker 1: talk about you moving forward. Wow, And that right there

975
00:47:22,840 --> 00:47:25,759
Speaker 1: was everything to me. It was like we was able

976
00:47:25,760 --> 00:47:27,800
Speaker 1: to have a meeting with the with the league office

977
00:47:27,840 --> 00:47:31,880
Speaker 1: and everybody who was helping and making decisions for me

978
00:47:32,080 --> 00:47:36,480
Speaker 1: to come back and get reinstated. And that right there

979
00:47:36,640 --> 00:47:39,839
Speaker 1: changed my life. I mean obviously saying coach Dungee, cause

980
00:47:39,920 --> 00:47:42,440
Speaker 1: Dune just wanted to make sure like you empathy, you

981
00:47:42,520 --> 00:47:44,759
Speaker 1: can trite and didn't get a sense of where I

982
00:47:44,920 --> 00:47:50,080
Speaker 1: was in life, and uh with Roger and those words,

983
00:47:50,160 --> 00:47:52,400
Speaker 1: man just was like, okay, we can turn the page

984
00:47:52,600 --> 00:47:55,240
Speaker 1: because you think you lied to Roger. Obviously, the NFL

985
00:47:55,440 --> 00:47:57,600
Speaker 1: they got feelers, they got people, They got reachers that

986
00:47:57,719 --> 00:48:00,319
Speaker 1: go farther yard with the human, with the normal person

987
00:48:00,360 --> 00:48:03,120
Speaker 1: could reach. So when they got wind of this, they

988
00:48:03,239 --> 00:48:05,680
Speaker 1: call you in, they talk to you. They ask Mike, Mike,

989
00:48:05,800 --> 00:48:08,520
Speaker 1: what's your involvement? How involved are you in this? Are

990
00:48:08,560 --> 00:48:10,759
Speaker 1: you involved with this? Or is this someone just using

991
00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:13,719
Speaker 1: your name? And you said, I ain't got nothing to

992
00:48:13,800 --> 00:48:21,040
Speaker 1: do with this. Like man, You're like you like you

993
00:48:21,200 --> 00:48:23,200
Speaker 1: like a child before the parent, like you did you

994
00:48:23,320 --> 00:48:25,640
Speaker 1: did you? I was just like I was just trying

995
00:48:25,640 --> 00:48:28,400
Speaker 1: to protect so much, honestly, Like when I think about

996
00:48:28,400 --> 00:48:30,000
Speaker 1: it now, because I could be truthful about it, it

997
00:48:30,120 --> 00:48:32,920
Speaker 1: was like I had so much respect for it, just everybody,

998
00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:35,320
Speaker 1: but my relationship with Nike and what we had built

999
00:48:35,640 --> 00:48:38,200
Speaker 1: and created all of that whole shoe line. And I'm like, yeah,

1000
00:48:38,360 --> 00:48:41,239
Speaker 1: but Nike cam like I'm not losing that. And so

1001
00:48:41,360 --> 00:48:43,360
Speaker 1: I was thinking wrong. So if I had went in

1002
00:48:43,480 --> 00:48:46,160
Speaker 1: with a different attitude, maybe it could have turned out

1003
00:48:46,200 --> 00:48:48,800
Speaker 1: a different way. You know, my lawyer always told me

1004
00:48:48,840 --> 00:48:50,480
Speaker 1: that I can't represent you if you're gonna tell me

1005
00:48:50,560 --> 00:48:53,400
Speaker 1: the truth. Right, So you lying to the age, your

1006
00:48:53,440 --> 00:49:00,440
Speaker 1: attorney to everybody got maybe that, well maybe if you'd

1007
00:49:00,440 --> 00:49:01,799
Speaker 1: told the truth, they could have got to the front

1008
00:49:01,840 --> 00:49:03,640
Speaker 1: of this right. Yeah, got out in front of this

1009
00:49:04,520 --> 00:49:08,080
Speaker 1: blah blah blah. Yeah. I learned so much about myself.

1010
00:49:08,120 --> 00:49:10,560
Speaker 1: I learned like just how to be honest, Like what right?

1011
00:49:11,760 --> 00:49:14,239
Speaker 1: Trying to tell us the same lie over and over again?

1012
00:49:14,280 --> 00:49:17,160
Speaker 1: It's impossible. Yeah, because you're gonna forget. Yeahbody, you should

1013
00:49:17,160 --> 00:49:18,080
Speaker 1: have been to the front of the line of the

1014
00:49:18,160 --> 00:49:20,640
Speaker 1: Tailbody to beat you to the line of the tail.

1015
00:49:21,520 --> 00:49:23,560
Speaker 1: They beat, They beat you to the front of the

1016
00:49:23,640 --> 00:49:27,600
Speaker 1: line of the tail. You know, Man, God had a

1017
00:49:27,640 --> 00:49:30,520
Speaker 1: plan for my life. Man, you get out. How did

1018
00:49:30,560 --> 00:49:34,040
Speaker 1: the Philly situation come to be? They had Donovan. Yeah,

1019
00:49:34,760 --> 00:49:38,320
Speaker 1: Donovan was one of the guys who wanted to help me,

1020
00:49:39,520 --> 00:49:42,440
Speaker 1: and uh they co when they called. I was like, man,

1021
00:49:42,480 --> 00:49:45,960
Speaker 1: I'm I'm I couldn't believe that they called. Did any

1022
00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:49,320
Speaker 1: other teams reach out? Uh yeah, Baltimore, not Baltimore, but

1023
00:49:49,400 --> 00:49:52,400
Speaker 1: Buffalo was talking to Buffalo and we was talking to

1024
00:49:52,840 --> 00:49:57,440
Speaker 1: UH Cincinnati. Okay, And so the premise was not to

1025
00:49:57,560 --> 00:49:59,800
Speaker 1: play my first year, to get myself back and playing shape.

1026
00:49:59,800 --> 00:50:01,680
Speaker 1: And I have the whole fan faire around me, So

1027
00:50:02,320 --> 00:50:03,880
Speaker 1: to go go to a place where you can get

1028
00:50:04,000 --> 00:50:06,400
Speaker 1: back up, get your get your feet wet again, and

1029
00:50:06,440 --> 00:50:09,520
Speaker 1: then and then work yourself back into the plan shape

1030
00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:12,120
Speaker 1: and then that they go according to play because you

1031
00:50:12,239 --> 00:50:15,520
Speaker 1: end up playing. UH. I was able to sit the

1032
00:50:15,600 --> 00:50:19,040
Speaker 1: first year with UH with Andy, learning a lot from Donovan,

1033
00:50:19,160 --> 00:50:21,319
Speaker 1: learning a lot from Andy, like their philosophy, how they

1034
00:50:21,400 --> 00:50:24,640
Speaker 1: go about right game planning and going into a game,

1035
00:50:24,680 --> 00:50:27,080
Speaker 1: And it was totally different than anything I've ever seen.

1036
00:50:28,440 --> 00:50:32,080
Speaker 1: The game plan, how the coach go about being on

1037
00:50:32,160 --> 00:50:34,359
Speaker 1: the same page as the quarterback. Would you expect from

1038
00:50:34,400 --> 00:50:36,920
Speaker 1: you with it? It was just I was getting in

1039
00:50:36,920 --> 00:50:38,520
Speaker 1: the building at six in the morning, man, and just

1040
00:50:38,680 --> 00:50:42,799
Speaker 1: doing it different. So so you got your first year.

1041
00:50:42,920 --> 00:50:44,879
Speaker 1: So your first year you kind of learned, Okay, man,

1042
00:50:47,239 --> 00:50:51,160
Speaker 1: what was proud of you going to Philly? What was

1043
00:50:51,239 --> 00:50:54,279
Speaker 1: Mike Vick game preparation? Like? What was your study habits? Like?

1044
00:50:54,400 --> 00:50:57,480
Speaker 1: What was it life and Philly before you in Atlanta?

1045
00:50:57,600 --> 00:50:59,360
Speaker 1: When you were when you were the guy in Atlanta

1046
00:50:59,640 --> 00:51:03,520
Speaker 1: what was Mike big study happens, like my coach demanded.

1047
00:51:03,560 --> 00:51:05,040
Speaker 1: Because I was in the new system in the West

1048
00:51:05,040 --> 00:51:06,640
Speaker 1: Coast syste so I had to spend some time in

1049
00:51:06,760 --> 00:51:11,000
Speaker 1: studying and understanding what the message was like, what was

1050
00:51:11,080 --> 00:51:14,279
Speaker 1: we trying to really accomplish on Sundays? And so I

1051
00:51:14,400 --> 00:51:16,920
Speaker 1: took a good lot of pride in that we was

1052
00:51:17,000 --> 00:51:19,000
Speaker 1: able to go to the NFC Championship my game my

1053
00:51:19,120 --> 00:51:22,480
Speaker 1: first year, my first year in this West Coast system.

1054
00:51:23,520 --> 00:51:26,400
Speaker 1: But then it was so easy to get there. The

1055
00:51:26,520 --> 00:51:28,640
Speaker 1: second year, I took a step back. I started doing

1056
00:51:28,760 --> 00:51:32,000
Speaker 1: less because it was so easy. So I got spoiled.

1057
00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:37,319
Speaker 1: I'm like, well, we'll get back. This year. Year three

1058
00:51:37,360 --> 00:51:39,719
Speaker 1: in the system, two thousand and six, we didn't even

1059
00:51:39,760 --> 00:51:41,279
Speaker 1: make the play We didn't make the playoffs. In two

1060
00:51:41,320 --> 00:51:43,080
Speaker 1: thousand and five or two thousand and six. I never

1061
00:51:43,160 --> 00:51:45,640
Speaker 1: got back. And it was all because it was so

1062
00:51:45,840 --> 00:51:50,160
Speaker 1: easy to get there in my first year. So my

1063
00:51:50,400 --> 00:51:54,040
Speaker 1: my preparation that year was amazing. I studied because I

1064
00:51:54,160 --> 00:51:56,520
Speaker 1: never wanted to disappoint my coaches. I always wanted them

1065
00:51:56,560 --> 00:51:58,560
Speaker 1: to be proud of me, and I always wanted them

1066
00:51:58,600 --> 00:52:01,000
Speaker 1: to know that I was listening and I was taking

1067
00:52:01,040 --> 00:52:02,839
Speaker 1: heat to everything that they were saying. And I coach.

1068
00:52:02,920 --> 00:52:05,040
Speaker 1: If I say I got it, I got it. But

1069
00:52:05,120 --> 00:52:06,960
Speaker 1: I could have did a little bit more, right, I

1070
00:52:07,040 --> 00:52:08,800
Speaker 1: could have did more as I got older, And I

1071
00:52:08,920 --> 00:52:10,960
Speaker 1: think that's not a it's not a coach job to

1072
00:52:11,080 --> 00:52:13,719
Speaker 1: tell you to do more. You gotta do more. Yeah,

1073
00:52:13,880 --> 00:52:17,239
Speaker 1: like I should have volunteered. Came there the coach. You know,

1074
00:52:17,239 --> 00:52:18,960
Speaker 1: I'm gonna break down this film. I'm gonna break down

1075
00:52:19,040 --> 00:52:21,520
Speaker 1: this tape. And let's what year did you break with

1076
00:52:21,680 --> 00:52:23,279
Speaker 1: that two thousand and five, two thousand and six that

1077
00:52:23,280 --> 00:52:25,400
Speaker 1: you broke your leg into preseason? That was two thousand

1078
00:52:25,400 --> 00:52:27,279
Speaker 1: and three, two thousand three game you broke your leg

1079
00:52:27,360 --> 00:52:29,200
Speaker 1: into preseason? Yeah, broke my leg in the preseas. I

1080
00:52:29,280 --> 00:52:34,040
Speaker 1: didn't finish that season, so oh three. I came back

1081
00:52:34,080 --> 00:52:37,080
Speaker 1: at the end of the year, right before games left.

1082
00:52:37,360 --> 00:52:39,799
Speaker 1: They fired Dan and then the next year I had

1083
00:52:39,840 --> 00:52:41,279
Speaker 1: a new system and I had to learn. So I

1084
00:52:41,360 --> 00:52:43,920
Speaker 1: spent two years with damn bit pretty much right while

1085
00:52:43,920 --> 00:52:47,200
Speaker 1: I played, and then the whole new coaching resument came in.

1086
00:52:49,600 --> 00:52:54,600
Speaker 1: Had this dog fighting situation not come up? Do you

1087
00:52:54,680 --> 00:52:59,200
Speaker 1: believe Mike bick was on the Hall of Fame? Mark, Yes, yes,

1088
00:52:59,560 --> 00:53:03,680
Speaker 1: I you know, I had a situation in two thousand

1089
00:53:03,680 --> 00:53:06,520
Speaker 1: and six where I stuck my middle finger up at

1090
00:53:06,560 --> 00:53:08,279
Speaker 1: the crowd. I flicked off the crowd. It was it

1091
00:53:08,480 --> 00:53:10,800
Speaker 1: wasn't towards our fans. It was towards some Saints fans.

1092
00:53:11,800 --> 00:53:14,840
Speaker 1: That was a big misconception too. But uh, you know,

1093
00:53:14,920 --> 00:53:17,360
Speaker 1: it seemed like things were spiling out of control from me,

1094
00:53:17,400 --> 00:53:20,239
Speaker 1: and it wasn't until Chip came in. Not Chip Chip,

1095
00:53:20,440 --> 00:53:24,080
Speaker 1: Bobby right, Bobby Trado came in with Hugh Jackson right,

1096
00:53:24,960 --> 00:53:27,480
Speaker 1: and they was teaching me how to play the quarterback

1097
00:53:27,520 --> 00:53:30,200
Speaker 1: position from protections. I mean just we was just kind

1098
00:53:30,239 --> 00:53:32,120
Speaker 1: of like starting all over in the new system, right,

1099
00:53:32,719 --> 00:53:36,840
Speaker 1: and uh he was like, man, you're gonna be the

1100
00:53:36,920 --> 00:53:38,719
Speaker 1: league and repeat this ship. And I really felt that

1101
00:53:38,800 --> 00:53:40,520
Speaker 1: way because my focus was different and a lot of

1102
00:53:40,600 --> 00:53:42,680
Speaker 1: my boys moved out of the house. We was living together,

1103
00:53:43,400 --> 00:53:46,319
Speaker 1: my wife moved in, my daughter. So I was turning

1104
00:53:46,400 --> 00:53:48,759
Speaker 1: the corner right, and it was, like I said, it

1105
00:53:48,840 --> 00:53:51,440
Speaker 1: was just too late. Everything was starting to take a

1106
00:53:51,520 --> 00:53:55,160
Speaker 1: turn for the worst. But uh, my, that year, we

1107
00:53:55,280 --> 00:53:57,440
Speaker 1: probably would have we would have went deep in the playoffs,

1108
00:53:58,360 --> 00:54:01,320
Speaker 1: and we definitely definitely would have you know, been on

1109
00:54:01,360 --> 00:54:05,920
Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame path for sure. Plans to retire earlier, though,

1110
00:54:06,160 --> 00:54:11,080
Speaker 1: did you and do what? I don't know. That's why

1111
00:54:11,080 --> 00:54:14,040
Speaker 1: I invested the eight million. I'm gonna sit back until

1112
00:54:14,840 --> 00:54:17,720
Speaker 1: on some property. You mentioned that you had your boys

1113
00:54:19,360 --> 00:54:21,640
Speaker 1: in the home before you had moved your wife in

1114
00:54:21,760 --> 00:54:24,480
Speaker 1: with your daughter. What did they break? So? What what

1115
00:54:24,560 --> 00:54:27,120
Speaker 1: would they tell you? I mean, obviously up video games.

1116
00:54:27,480 --> 00:54:30,239
Speaker 1: You like video games, they like video games, You play

1117
00:54:30,400 --> 00:54:32,640
Speaker 1: video game. But what are they adding to Michael vicks

1118
00:54:33,239 --> 00:54:38,560
Speaker 1: football life? How did they football players? They supported me

1119
00:54:38,600 --> 00:54:42,480
Speaker 1: in a lot, like like when I started the Nah,

1120
00:54:42,640 --> 00:54:45,400
Speaker 1: but it was like motivational speeches like, man, you need

1121
00:54:45,480 --> 00:54:47,759
Speaker 1: to stop doing this. You need to stop what theybody?

1122
00:54:47,760 --> 00:54:51,480
Speaker 1: What good friend? If you ain't listening that what I'm saying, Bro,

1123
00:54:52,400 --> 00:54:55,120
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. Man. My life is one big misconception.

1124
00:54:55,200 --> 00:54:57,680
Speaker 1: People think it was my boys was my downfall. Nah.

1125
00:54:57,960 --> 00:55:00,480
Speaker 1: They were some of my biggest supporters. They was just

1126
00:55:00,600 --> 00:55:02,520
Speaker 1: in a position where if they go too hard on

1127
00:55:02,640 --> 00:55:05,200
Speaker 1: me and y'all don't do this, don't that. Yeah, they

1128
00:55:05,520 --> 00:55:07,480
Speaker 1: and I hated it. They felt like they wasn't even

1129
00:55:07,560 --> 00:55:12,879
Speaker 1: in that situation. It's so unfortunate. But and I never

1130
00:55:12,960 --> 00:55:14,600
Speaker 1: looked at it that way. I might have caught an

1131
00:55:14,640 --> 00:55:16,959
Speaker 1: attitude or been a little set, but I wasn't gonna

1132
00:55:17,040 --> 00:55:18,840
Speaker 1: kick my man said the curve just for telling me

1133
00:55:19,560 --> 00:55:22,520
Speaker 1: stopped drinking it yet. Right, I'm looking at you. You

1134
00:55:22,640 --> 00:55:24,279
Speaker 1: come back in two thousand and ten, you pass for

1135
00:55:24,320 --> 00:55:27,040
Speaker 1: three thousand yards, twenty one touch down, six interceptions, a

1136
00:55:27,160 --> 00:55:30,400
Speaker 1: seventy QBR sixty two p sixty three percent completion percentage.

1137
00:55:30,520 --> 00:55:32,040
Speaker 1: You come back player of the Year, and you go

1138
00:55:32,160 --> 00:55:36,000
Speaker 1: to the Pro Bowl. Yeah, bro, just Andy Reid was

1139
00:55:36,040 --> 00:55:40,080
Speaker 1: everything man. Andy demanded so much out of me. Andy checked.

1140
00:55:40,360 --> 00:55:44,000
Speaker 1: Andy was like you know it. You know, I went

1141
00:55:44,080 --> 00:55:47,320
Speaker 1: through a lot two or three years probably, and it

1142
00:55:47,440 --> 00:55:48,640
Speaker 1: was a lot that I had on my chests. I

1143
00:55:48,640 --> 00:55:51,120
Speaker 1: couldn't go to my agent. They have a father, you know,

1144
00:55:51,360 --> 00:55:53,960
Speaker 1: my dad wasn't He was there, but I you know,

1145
00:55:54,040 --> 00:55:55,840
Speaker 1: I couldn't. You didn't feel you could talk to it,

1146
00:55:56,040 --> 00:55:58,080
Speaker 1: right right? Yeah, I just needed somebody to talk to, man.

1147
00:55:58,160 --> 00:55:59,600
Speaker 1: And like it was like Andy came in my life

1148
00:55:59,640 --> 00:56:01,279
Speaker 1: at the right time. I could talk to him. I

1149
00:56:01,320 --> 00:56:03,320
Speaker 1: could tell him what I can tell him, whatever I

1150
00:56:03,480 --> 00:56:06,319
Speaker 1: wanted to tell him and get an honest answer, whether

1151
00:56:06,320 --> 00:56:07,960
Speaker 1: I liked it or not. And he didn't care whether

1152
00:56:07,960 --> 00:56:11,840
Speaker 1: I liked it or not either, but he cared and

1153
00:56:11,960 --> 00:56:14,040
Speaker 1: just to have those conversations, it brought out the best

1154
00:56:14,080 --> 00:56:16,960
Speaker 1: of me. I spent more time in the building, and uh,

1155
00:56:17,800 --> 00:56:20,560
Speaker 1: I just I just seemed like damn. I always felt

1156
00:56:20,600 --> 00:56:23,160
Speaker 1: like I always seal coach and coach if I had you,

1157
00:56:24,080 --> 00:56:26,520
Speaker 1: if you'd have drafted me, man, I know you had

1158
00:56:26,560 --> 00:56:28,200
Speaker 1: down at me. But if you'd have drafted me out

1159
00:56:28,239 --> 00:56:32,520
Speaker 1: to win places, you end up going to the Steelers,

1160
00:56:32,680 --> 00:56:35,759
Speaker 1: and the fans weren't very happy. Nah, uh arn't rooted

1161
00:56:35,880 --> 00:56:39,560
Speaker 1: the second He said, you had proven himself and you

1162
00:56:39,640 --> 00:56:42,080
Speaker 1: paid your debt to society. Yeah, and you deserved the

1163
00:56:42,120 --> 00:56:44,840
Speaker 1: second chance up and big band and Mike Tomlin was

1164
00:56:44,880 --> 00:56:46,759
Speaker 1: big advocates for me at the time too, man. And

1165
00:56:46,800 --> 00:56:48,959
Speaker 1: then you know, sitting down mister Ronny and mister Ronny

1166
00:56:49,120 --> 00:56:53,560
Speaker 1: was you know, he he was amazing, Like that's truly

1167
00:56:53,600 --> 00:56:56,319
Speaker 1: how he felt. He believed in second chances. And uh,

1168
00:56:56,600 --> 00:56:58,840
Speaker 1: I've never been in the locker room where guys embraced

1169
00:56:59,480 --> 00:57:02,480
Speaker 1: me so much, like even being older at thirty five

1170
00:57:02,560 --> 00:57:06,680
Speaker 1: at the time. And I always tell Mike Timond thanks

1171
00:57:06,719 --> 00:57:09,400
Speaker 1: for that experience and that that opportunity to play one

1172
00:57:09,600 --> 00:57:12,640
Speaker 1: last season right with a good group of young dudes,

1173
00:57:12,680 --> 00:57:14,920
Speaker 1: man who really cared about football and love of the game.

1174
00:57:16,680 --> 00:57:19,760
Speaker 1: While you in Pittsburgh, you played with a young AB,

1175
00:57:21,200 --> 00:57:23,840
Speaker 1: not the A B that what we see now seems

1176
00:57:23,880 --> 00:57:26,480
Speaker 1: to have a lot of his life spier inspiring, out

1177
00:57:26,520 --> 00:57:29,760
Speaker 1: of control. When you were there in Pittsburgh, what did

1178
00:57:29,800 --> 00:57:34,280
Speaker 1: you notice and did you know did you see anything

1179
00:57:34,400 --> 00:57:36,440
Speaker 1: that would give you like, Man, this dude, he need

1180
00:57:36,520 --> 00:57:38,120
Speaker 1: to he need to model, he need to be careful.

1181
00:57:38,560 --> 00:57:40,880
Speaker 1: H not at all. Man A B was a hard worker,

1182
00:57:41,360 --> 00:57:44,440
Speaker 1: He believed in his self. He loved big man. He

1183
00:57:44,600 --> 00:57:48,880
Speaker 1: was until he was smart, understood the system. He would

1184
00:57:48,880 --> 00:57:50,840
Speaker 1: just get a little agitated if he didn't get the

1185
00:57:50,880 --> 00:57:53,240
Speaker 1: ball right. I started for three games, and I didn't

1186
00:57:53,280 --> 00:57:55,560
Speaker 1: target Ab. I'll be honest. I didn't know, really know

1187
00:57:55,720 --> 00:57:58,600
Speaker 1: a lot about the AFC right, and I didn't know

1188
00:57:58,640 --> 00:58:01,120
Speaker 1: a lot about cause this. They had guys coming in

1189
00:58:01,240 --> 00:58:06,200
Speaker 1: and out influxive receivers from Mike Wallace too. You're saying

1190
00:58:06,240 --> 00:58:07,920
Speaker 1: it's like in and out, in and out, and so

1191
00:58:08,080 --> 00:58:09,800
Speaker 1: it's this new guy him, I don't know too much

1192
00:58:09,840 --> 00:58:11,760
Speaker 1: about him and him so I'm sparing the ball around

1193
00:58:11,800 --> 00:58:15,439
Speaker 1: my TVs. You know, mark his weed and I'm trying

1194
00:58:15,480 --> 00:58:18,440
Speaker 1: to just spread it out and other than him getting

1195
00:58:18,560 --> 00:58:20,400
Speaker 1: a little aggravated that he didn't get the ball, A

1196
00:58:20,560 --> 00:58:23,320
Speaker 1: b was a great teammate man, and I didn't see.

1197
00:58:23,440 --> 00:58:26,200
Speaker 1: I didn't see definitely didn't see the behavior that I

1198
00:58:26,280 --> 00:58:30,000
Speaker 1: see now. I mean, if you could talk to him,

1199
00:58:30,200 --> 00:58:32,200
Speaker 1: because I thought he had a great situation. Tom Brady

1200
00:58:32,240 --> 00:58:33,920
Speaker 1: went to bat for Yeah, it's not a whole lot

1201
00:58:33,960 --> 00:58:36,160
Speaker 1: of quarterback go go to back, especially with the kind

1202
00:58:36,200 --> 00:58:40,120
Speaker 1: of behavior that he's displayed over a period. So Tom

1203
00:58:40,160 --> 00:58:42,480
Speaker 1: Brady goes to back. Bruce Are didn't wanted nothing to

1204
00:58:42,520 --> 00:58:44,720
Speaker 1: do with it because Bruce Arians had him in in Pittsburgh.

1205
00:58:45,000 --> 00:58:46,640
Speaker 1: He made up the buddally clear at the beginning of

1206
00:58:46,720 --> 00:58:49,160
Speaker 1: the season, But somehow Tom Brady talked him into it.

1207
00:58:49,560 --> 00:58:52,760
Speaker 1: Tom reaches out, he has him in his home, and

1208
00:58:53,800 --> 00:58:58,200
Speaker 1: the way he handled Tom that's what I'm most disappointed. Yeah, look,

1209
00:58:58,480 --> 00:58:59,800
Speaker 1: you could be a jerk to a lot of people.

1210
00:58:59,800 --> 00:59:01,880
Speaker 1: I think you should be a jerk. But someone that

1211
00:59:02,080 --> 00:59:04,680
Speaker 1: that reached out, gave you an Olive brand, picked you up,

1212
00:59:04,760 --> 00:59:07,640
Speaker 1: propped you up. Yep, you do them like this? Yeah

1213
00:59:07,720 --> 00:59:09,880
Speaker 1: that that that right there was a little disturbing to

1214
00:59:09,960 --> 00:59:12,560
Speaker 1: me too, because I know I know him and Tom

1215
00:59:12,680 --> 00:59:14,960
Speaker 1: was on the same year a one time, and uh,

1216
00:59:15,520 --> 00:59:18,520
Speaker 1: you know, I believe in loyalty, and I believe in friendships,

1217
00:59:18,560 --> 00:59:20,920
Speaker 1: true friendships, and I think they I thought they was

1218
00:59:20,960 --> 00:59:23,520
Speaker 1: creating a bond. He pulled him, you know, he put

1219
00:59:23,600 --> 00:59:25,520
Speaker 1: him in a situation where a d was able to

1220
00:59:25,520 --> 00:59:28,919
Speaker 1: get a ring, yes and shine, and uh, he turned

1221
00:59:28,960 --> 00:59:32,640
Speaker 1: his back on him. I just saw you ran four

1222
00:59:32,840 --> 00:59:36,760
Speaker 1: seven forty at forty one. I saw TiO ran like

1223
00:59:36,880 --> 00:59:40,080
Speaker 1: a four or five, four or six. Yeah, if you train,

1224
00:59:40,880 --> 00:59:45,520
Speaker 1: you think you get TiO. Absolutely, I'm gonna train next year.

1225
00:59:46,400 --> 00:59:48,400
Speaker 1: I'm gonna train next year. Every year I come into

1226
00:59:48,400 --> 00:59:50,880
Speaker 1: I said, I'm ana train. I don't train. This year

1227
00:59:50,920 --> 00:59:53,000
Speaker 1: I was running and I was so scared to pull

1228
00:59:53,040 --> 00:59:55,840
Speaker 1: a hamstring. I was like, I just got through the race.

1229
00:59:55,880 --> 00:59:58,640
Speaker 1: But next year, I'm a train. Well, I can't say

1230
00:59:58,680 --> 01:00:02,040
Speaker 1: that because TiO was a special I'm gonna just shoot

1231
01:00:02,080 --> 01:00:04,520
Speaker 1: for four to six. You shoot for four six, shoot

1232
01:00:04,560 --> 01:00:07,520
Speaker 1: for four to six. I mean realistic goal. I mean,

1233
01:00:07,560 --> 01:00:11,000
Speaker 1: you weren't ran four three three, damn. But that was

1234
01:00:11,120 --> 01:00:19,120
Speaker 1: like I was twenty three. So so that if that

1235
01:00:19,200 --> 01:00:20,600
Speaker 1: gonna be the race. I mean, can we can we

1236
01:00:20,680 --> 01:00:23,160
Speaker 1: get that race? Yeah? You know what till I'm gonna

1237
01:00:23,200 --> 01:00:25,680
Speaker 1: take you up on that? Man? You know, but Tell's

1238
01:00:25,680 --> 01:00:28,360
Speaker 1: staying in the gym. No, he's a gym rat. I'm

1239
01:00:28,360 --> 01:00:30,880
Speaker 1: not a gym rat, but I'm a distance running again.

1240
01:00:31,080 --> 01:00:33,400
Speaker 1: Give you three months, three months? Can you get you

1241
01:00:33,480 --> 01:00:35,720
Speaker 1: down to four sixty three months? Yeah? Yeah, for sure,

1242
01:00:36,160 --> 01:00:38,040
Speaker 1: because I mean, you know you trip, you're the lost weight.

1243
01:00:38,080 --> 01:00:39,720
Speaker 1: I mean you're te to you you less than you're

1244
01:00:39,720 --> 01:00:41,920
Speaker 1: playing weight. No, no, no, I'm like two two fourteen

1245
01:00:42,000 --> 01:00:44,080
Speaker 1: got him to scale yesterday. How about you play at

1246
01:00:44,240 --> 01:00:49,960
Speaker 1: I played at two twelve man, that's two brother. Man,

1247
01:00:50,000 --> 01:00:52,120
Speaker 1: you ain't breaking boy. I thought you bout to say.

1248
01:00:52,400 --> 01:00:55,800
Speaker 1: I bet you're gonna say like two hundred. Nah nah,

1249
01:00:55,920 --> 01:00:58,800
Speaker 1: I'm uh. I held I hold my weight pretty good. Yeah,

1250
01:00:59,360 --> 01:01:01,160
Speaker 1: this might put a couple of pounds on, but it's

1251
01:01:01,200 --> 01:01:04,000
Speaker 1: all life. Hey, brouh. I appreciate the time and a

1252
01:01:04,040 --> 01:01:07,160
Speaker 1: great time by all the best. Appreciate you've been able

1253
01:01:07,160 --> 01:01:09,400
Speaker 1: to reinvent yourself. I really appreciate that. Taking that would

1254
01:01:10,440 --> 01:01:14,400
Speaker 1: all my life and grinding all my life, sacrifice, hustle,

1255
01:01:14,440 --> 01:01:17,880
Speaker 1: bade price, want a slice? Got the broller dice to

1256
01:01:17,920 --> 01:01:20,400
Speaker 1: swap all my life. I've been grinding all my life,

1257
01:01:21,080 --> 01:01:25,080
Speaker 1: all my life, and grinding all my life. Sacrifice, hustle,

1258
01:01:25,120 --> 01:01:28,360
Speaker 1: bade the prices. Want a slice, Got the broller dice

1259
01:01:28,480 --> 01:01:31,080
Speaker 1: to swap all my life. I've been grinding all my life.