WEBVTT - Behind America's First Culture War Beheading Video

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<v Speaker 1>All Zone Media.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome to It could Happen here, a podcast about things

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<v Speaker 2>falling apart. And you know, folks, season one of this,

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<v Speaker 2>if you listened way back in twenty nineteen, we focused

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<v Speaker 2>a lot on my fears about a massive coming civil

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<v Speaker 2>conflict in the United States, you know, along the lines

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<v Speaker 2>of a civil war, but sort of based around my

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<v Speaker 2>experiences in civil conflicts in Ukraine and Iraq and Syria

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<v Speaker 2>a number of other parts of the world prior to

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<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty. And one of the reasons I'm bringing this

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<v Speaker 2>up right now is because, you know, what I experienced

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<v Speaker 2>with the fighting in Isis in Iraq was kind of

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<v Speaker 2>instrumental in me understanding how conflict looked in the modern era,

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<v Speaker 2>and how the United States was closer to a conflict

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<v Speaker 2>like that than I think a lot of folks would normally,

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<v Speaker 2>especially people who are kind of obsessed with the idea

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<v Speaker 2>of a civil war. As two big armies in gray

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<v Speaker 2>and blue marching at each other, we're willing to kind

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<v Speaker 2>of to contend with. And when I was starting that

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<v Speaker 2>reporting over there, you know, taking my first trips to Iraq,

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<v Speaker 2>one of the first things that I did was watch

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<v Speaker 2>every Isis beheading video and some of the Al Qaida

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<v Speaker 2>in Iraq beheading videos prior to that, not as a

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<v Speaker 2>voyeuristic thing, but because I felt like, if I was

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<v Speaker 2>going to take myself and another person into that situation,

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<v Speaker 2>the responsible thing to do was make myself very informed

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<v Speaker 2>of what the stakes were. And I'm bringing this all

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<v Speaker 2>up not because we're talking about the Middle East today,

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<v Speaker 2>because we are talking about a beheading video, probably the

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<v Speaker 2>first beheading video directly tied to the US culture war

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<v Speaker 2>that I can name. And I'm going to throw to

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<v Speaker 2>Garrison Davis now.

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<v Speaker 3>All right, So last week, I believe most of this

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<v Speaker 3>went down. On January thirtieth, a thirty two year old

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<v Speaker 3>man named Justin Mohan shot his father in the head

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<v Speaker 3>with a handgun he bought the day previously, and then

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<v Speaker 3>used a kitchen knife and machete to allegedly again this

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<v Speaker 3>is all a quote unquote, allegedly allegedly yes to, allegedly.

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<v Speaker 2>Alleged by him in the video that he recorded, Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>cut off his father's head in a bathtub.

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<v Speaker 3>He put it in a pot and then recorded a

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<v Speaker 3>video which he posted publicly onto YouTube. It was about

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<v Speaker 3>fifteen minutes long, titled Moan's militia called to Arms for

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<v Speaker 3>American Patriots, where he ranted about a number of things

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<v Speaker 3>and mostly called for the killing of federal employees. He fled.

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<v Speaker 3>I think he went a slightly upstate towards a National

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<v Speaker 3>Guard training camp and then was arrested a few hours

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<v Speaker 3>later after his mother found the severed head and body

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<v Speaker 3>of her husband in the house that they all lived

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<v Speaker 3>in together. This is one of the most bizarre acts

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<v Speaker 3>of extremist violence that I've come across in terms of

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<v Speaker 3>like the amount of research I've done to this, and

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<v Speaker 3>I think it kind of points at a this trend

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<v Speaker 3>of extremist acts of violence done by people who have

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of content on the Internet, not just like

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<v Speaker 3>posting manifestos, but like are positioning themselves as some form

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<v Speaker 3>of like alternative content creator. This guy had a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of music, had a lot of self published books. In

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<v Speaker 3>lieu of leaving like a complete single manifesto, we get

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<v Speaker 3>these just years of writing and like artistic creations that

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<v Speaker 3>now live on archive dot org as kind of ghosts

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<v Speaker 3>of this guy's presence.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think what's interesting about that is that shift

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<v Speaker 2>between and I think the christ Church shooter is probably

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<v Speaker 2>like the KT boundary of this particular evolutionary shift from

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<v Speaker 2>like the norm would be that you would produce a

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<v Speaker 2>specific manifesto as an act, like a political act, as

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<v Speaker 2>part of whatever of active violence you carried on. The

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<v Speaker 2>goal was both to inspire other people to act and to,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, partly just to frame yourself as something besides

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<v Speaker 2>alone maniac. And I think one of the things that's

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<v Speaker 2>really interesting about this shift to an increasing number of

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<v Speaker 2>these people representing what they're doing in fiction in some

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<v Speaker 2>way or in some other kind of creative endeavor is

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<v Speaker 2>that it sort of mirrors the idea that like, in

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<v Speaker 2>our culture, the thing that people most want to be

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<v Speaker 2>is some sort of like influencer content creator, Like that's

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<v Speaker 2>the top desired job among like a lot of gen

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<v Speaker 2>Z kids. And it's also just increasingly like the thing

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<v Speaker 2>that people creatively want to see themselves as. And so like,

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<v Speaker 2>I think this fits into this trend of violence that

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<v Speaker 2>is that is foreshadowed by someone, not by a work

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<v Speaker 2>of like political thought, you know, which you may not

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<v Speaker 2>want to think of a manifesto as that, but that

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<v Speaker 2>is what it is, but is preceded instead by art.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, So I think I'll talk about a few kind

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<v Speaker 3>of semi similar or at least other cases that have

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<v Speaker 3>some curious linkages. Probably close to the end of the episode,

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<v Speaker 3>but I have some writing here prepared about about the

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<v Speaker 3>beheading video itself, and then a few other kind of

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<v Speaker 3>random stuff about the art that he's made, and Robert

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<v Speaker 3>will probably fill in some useful gaps because Robert acquired

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<v Speaker 3>a very special piece of literature recently.

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<v Speaker 2>So the night that this went down, as soon as

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<v Speaker 2>I found out this guy had written not just a book,

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<v Speaker 2>but multiple books, I was like, well, I kind of

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<v Speaker 2>want to read these, and I know they're going to

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<v Speaker 2>get pulled by tomorrow and Amazon will probably Amazon can

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<v Speaker 2>just take back the kindle books that you buy from them.

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<v Speaker 2>So I ordered a hard copy of the book that

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<v Speaker 2>seemed like the most meaningful to him. It's called The

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<v Speaker 2>Second Messiah, King of Earth by Justin Mohan. It is

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<v Speaker 2>distressingly thick, like four hundred and fifty pages or so.

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<v Speaker 2>It is so much book, and the weird thing about it,

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<v Speaker 2>I've read through a chunk of it and we will

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<v Speaker 2>be getting to some of it. It's not badly written,

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<v Speaker 2>and I want to be clear, I'm not saying that

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<v Speaker 2>like he's a good writer in the commercial sense, or

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<v Speaker 2>that he's a good writer in that like he's a

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<v Speaker 2>skilled artist. I'm saying that, like it's clear writing. You're

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<v Speaker 2>always sure what he's trying to say. When he depicts

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<v Speaker 2>the vinces happening. Those events are crazy, but like he's

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<v Speaker 2>they're clearly depicted, which is interesting to me. And yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>we will be hearing about more of that in part too.

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<v Speaker 2>But I have learned a decent amount about him from

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<v Speaker 2>this book, The Second Messiah, King of Earth.

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<v Speaker 3>So let's get into that fifteen minute video. He starts

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<v Speaker 3>by holding up what is alleged to be his father's

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<v Speaker 3>head inside a plastic bag. He holds it up for

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<v Speaker 3>a few seconds and then starts talking. Now, my initial

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<v Speaker 3>reaction to this video is just how unremarkable most of

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<v Speaker 3>this rant is. There's like calling for killing federal employees,

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<v Speaker 3>which is like the one thing people do that. But

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<v Speaker 3>also you can hear so many of the sentiments that

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<v Speaker 3>he talks about from Fox News contributors, from popular right

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<v Speaker 3>wing podcast hosts, and even sitting politicians. They also talk

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<v Speaker 3>about how quote America is rotting from the inside out,

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<v Speaker 3>as far left woke mobs rampage are once prosperous cities,

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<v Speaker 3>turning them into lawless zones. Unquote. Yeah, use that term

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<v Speaker 3>a lot. Lawless zones. That's a key term. Probably comes

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<v Speaker 3>up like about ten times across this whole video.

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<v Speaker 2>And I want to I think we need to start

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<v Speaker 2>before we get further into this with the elephant in

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<v Speaker 2>the room, which is like a lot and what a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of people have said about this guy, Well, this

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<v Speaker 2>man was mentally ill, and that is absolutely the case. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I add the disclaimer whenever we talk about mental illness

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<v Speaker 2>and mass shootings, people who are mentally ill, people who

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<v Speaker 2>are schizophrenic are not more likely to do this kind

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<v Speaker 2>of violence than anybody else. But that said, when they

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<v Speaker 2>do it, they're also not necessarily less responsible. And what

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<v Speaker 2>I mean by that is a person can be mentally

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<v Speaker 2>ill and engage in a shooting and that doesn't mean

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<v Speaker 2>you shouldn't pay attention to what they are or another

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<v Speaker 2>act of violence. That doesn't mean you don't pay attention

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<v Speaker 2>to why they're saying they did it. The fact that

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<v Speaker 2>this guy is clearly I believe, schizophrenic does not mean

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<v Speaker 2>that his reasons for doing this are immaterial. Because most

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<v Speaker 2>people who have whatever mental illness this guy did have

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<v Speaker 2>do not cut their dad's head off. So the fact

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<v Speaker 2>that he is justifying it with this very boilerplate set

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<v Speaker 2>of right wing culture war grievances is meaningful. And it's

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<v Speaker 2>meaningful because absent that influence in his life, perhaps he

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<v Speaker 2>either doesn't carry out an act of violence or it's

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<v Speaker 2>at least a very different looking one. And so I

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<v Speaker 2>think that is important to just get out to upfront.

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<v Speaker 3>No, he certainly had years of experiencing paranoia, some conspiratorial thinking,

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<v Speaker 3>but specifically the ey are directed towards his own conception

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<v Speaker 3>of the federal government and how it is leading to

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<v Speaker 3>society decay. Is what sparked this act of violence and

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<v Speaker 3>is why he called for copycat killings. So yes, inside

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<v Speaker 3>this rant, Justin Mohan talks about taxes, inflation, and an

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<v Speaker 3>economy that no longer serves American citizens. He mentions how

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<v Speaker 3>the traitorous Biden regime is sending over American troops to

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<v Speaker 3>fight in a doomed war in the Russian winter, leaving

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<v Speaker 3>America defenseless against a quote fifth column army of illegal

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<v Speaker 3>immigrants invading our southern border to strike Americans on our

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<v Speaker 3>own soil unquote. That's another term he uses a lot

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<v Speaker 3>Fifth Column. Yeah, says it like four or five times.

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<v Speaker 3>And that's a very old term. That's a term that

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<v Speaker 3>you would hear in a lot of John Birch materially

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<v Speaker 3>from the middle of the last century, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>So.

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<v Speaker 3>Moan identified himself as quote the commander of America's National

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<v Speaker 3>Network of Militias, also known as Moan's Militia, which seems

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<v Speaker 3>to be mostly a delusion. He had no known connections

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<v Speaker 3>to actual militias in his state or any other states.

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<v Speaker 3>This seemed to be an idea that he got into

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<v Speaker 3>his own head. He then ordered all quote militias and

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<v Speaker 3>patriots across the country to quote hunt down and murder

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<v Speaker 3>every federal employee on site, and to seize all courthouses, FBI,

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<v Speaker 3>i rs, and federal law enforcement offices. To kill and

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<v Speaker 3>capture all border patrol, US marshals, federal agents, and judges,

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<v Speaker 3>and quote torture them for information, and publicly execute them

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<v Speaker 3>for betraying the country. Unquote. He had this, really, he

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<v Speaker 3>had this line that stuck out to me. I didn't copy.

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<v Speaker 3>This is a long video. I did not copy every

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<v Speaker 3>single thing he said. He also, this is one line

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<v Speaker 3>he included earn your place in heaven by sending a

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<v Speaker 3>traitor to hell early with just the cold, like, very

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<v Speaker 3>like emotionless way. He said, that kind of stuck with me.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, and that is not a belief that you have

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<v Speaker 2>to go to a guy experiencing mental health crisis to find.

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<v Speaker 2>You can hear shades of this all over fucking Twitter,

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<v Speaker 2>among other places.

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<v Speaker 3>You can hear this if you listen to certain right

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<v Speaker 3>wingers give public comment like yeah, in your local city

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<v Speaker 3>council like it's not so. Moan asked that police, veterans,

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<v Speaker 3>and National Guard join the fight, or else cities like

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<v Speaker 3>Philadelphia will turn into lawless zones like Portland and San Francisco.

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<v Speaker 3>He also asked local militias to be his own personal

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<v Speaker 3>security force so that federal employees do not try to

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<v Speaker 3>arrest him.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>He said that state governments should be left alone unless

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<v Speaker 3>they intervene in his revolution, quote the federal government is

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<v Speaker 3>the enemy. Then Mohn declared that quote Joe Biden is

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<v Speaker 3>no longer in power. I am now officially the acting

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<v Speaker 3>president under martial law unquote. He ordered military generals to

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<v Speaker 3>not deploy US troops against US militias and instead join

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<v Speaker 3>their fight to defend the constitution.

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<v Speaker 2>It would be fun if the constitution worked that way,

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<v Speaker 2>if like they'd put that in back in seventeen eighty seven,

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<v Speaker 2>like oh yeah, and if you know, if martial law

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<v Speaker 2>is declared. He's not around yet, but there's going to

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<v Speaker 2>be this guy just in Mode. He's a charge.

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<v Speaker 3>So this is one thing that I'm still slightly confused on. Well,

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<v Speaker 3>there's a few things that are obviously confusing. It seems confusing.

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<v Speaker 3>But Mode offered a one million dollar bounty on a

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<v Speaker 3>number of high level federal US employees, and one hundred

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<v Speaker 3>thousand dollars for every federal judge and even docksed one

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<v Speaker 3>in Pennsylvania. He claimed to currently have ten million dollars

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<v Speaker 3>to exhaust on these bounties. And that is not that's

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<v Speaker 3>just not true.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, definitely not.

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<v Speaker 3>Man constantly complains about how he's in a poor financial

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<v Speaker 3>situation as a result of a number of factors. He

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<v Speaker 3>does not have ten million dollars. Now, he ordered all

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<v Speaker 3>non military federal employees to resign before ending up like

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<v Speaker 3>his father. Now, his father was an employee at the

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<v Speaker 3>US Army Corps of Engineers for most twenty years. He resigned.

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<v Speaker 3>I think like last year or a few years back.

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<v Speaker 3>It's interesting he called for specifically non military federal employees

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<v Speaker 3>to resign. He was very pro military. I'm not sure

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<v Speaker 3>if his father working for the US Army Corps engineers

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<v Speaker 3>that fits in to his ideology here. But we're not

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<v Speaker 3>laying out a clear line of thinking.

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<v Speaker 2>Obviously it is. This is just slightly off topic. But

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<v Speaker 2>it's never not fascinating to me how strong the feeling

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<v Speaker 2>of emotional attachment to the US military is. Like that

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<v Speaker 2>even this guy would be like, this guy who was

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<v Speaker 2>so clearly deranged and violent about this kind of thing

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<v Speaker 2>would be like but they're the exception. Like, there's obviously

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<v Speaker 2>still basically good. It's just interesting to me. What else

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<v Speaker 2>is interesting to me, Garrison, is where our money comes from.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know where our money comes from.

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<v Speaker 3>The Federal Reserve.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, actually we are sponsored entirely, entirely by the Federal Reserve.

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<v Speaker 2>So please, I mean literally, anything you do will I

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<v Speaker 2>guess help the Federal Reserve. So go exist in capitalism,

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<v Speaker 2>and we're back.

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<v Speaker 3>Speaking of another federal agency. One agency that Moan addressed

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<v Speaker 3>directly was calling for the Postal Service to suspend all

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<v Speaker 3>services split from the federal government. Or else he will

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<v Speaker 3>not be able to offer protection. And Jesus Christ, no,

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<v Speaker 3>that's negotiating with the postal service. That's very funny. I

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<v Speaker 3>mean this is serious, but that is kind of funny.

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<v Speaker 3>This guy isn't a Nazi. He's a Nazi. He's an extremist.

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<v Speaker 3>He is a he is a conservative extremist.

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<v Speaker 2>He does repeatedly in his book, by the way, also

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<v Speaker 2>talk about like racism being bad like that is like

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<v Speaker 2>very much a consistent through line.

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<v Speaker 3>But some of this like kill your local post type

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<v Speaker 3>stuff certainly reflects a strain of extremist, neo Nazi thinking,

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<v Speaker 3>that particularly James Mason's stuff from the eighties.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, so he.

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<v Speaker 3>Also said, quote, if the media spreads lives with this revolution,

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<v Speaker 3>I authorize the targeting of news stations, their owners and employees.

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<v Speaker 3>General kind of conservative, anti anti news, anti journalist rhetoric.

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<v Speaker 2>Quote.

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<v Speaker 3>The hunting, capturing, and killing of America's federal employees will

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<v Speaker 3>not stop until americans demands are met and the network

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<v Speaker 3>of America's traders is wiped out. Unquote. Now, some of

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<v Speaker 3>these demands that he called for includes closing the borders,

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<v Speaker 3>a mass deportation of immigrants that have entered under the

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<v Speaker 3>Biden regime, ceasing all human trafficking of children and sex slaves,

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<v Speaker 3>which is obviously already illegal, canceling all public debt, an

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<v Speaker 3>end to the Federal Reserve, restore Congress's right to print

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<v Speaker 3>interest free money, and I'm ceasing all of the quote

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<v Speaker 3>woke and gender ideology propaganda in the schools unquote. So

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<v Speaker 3>we have a weird mix of like very like libertarian

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<v Speaker 3>stuff like the Federal Reserve, interest free money, and then

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<v Speaker 3>other more popular conservative stuff around like the border, and

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<v Speaker 3>then this thing about woke and gender ideology.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, there's even a little like Nessarrah Jesra stuff in

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<v Speaker 2>there too, about like the whole like allow the government

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<v Speaker 2>to print interest free money again, Like that's that's it's

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<v Speaker 2>interesting that that's mixed in tomato as well.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, you know, it's a it's a curious collection

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<v Speaker 3>of political thought. Now, traders to the country included not

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<v Speaker 3>just federal employees, but also quote bribed members of the

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<v Speaker 3>deep state, labor racketeers of the prison industrial complex, and

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<v Speaker 3>globalist leaders of assorted industries unquote. Now there's there's a

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<v Speaker 3>lot to unpacked there. Bribe members of the deep state.

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<v Speaker 3>I think it doesn't need any explanation. But Moone had

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<v Speaker 3>this idea that labor unions were working with with corporations

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<v Speaker 3>to make straight white males have a hard time to

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<v Speaker 3>find jobs, so they would so that they would always

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<v Speaker 3>be unemployed. And unemployment leads to people being arrested and

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<v Speaker 3>sent to prison as a way to fund the court system.

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<v Speaker 3>So this is what he means by labor racketeers of

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<v Speaker 3>the prison industrial complex. It's that labor unions are colluding

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<v Speaker 3>with the government and businesses to keep certain sects of

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<v Speaker 3>the population unemployed to fill up prisons. Now, in terms

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<v Speaker 3>of globalist leaders of a sort of industries, he specifically

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<v Speaker 3>was talking about big tech companies that commit tax evation.

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<v Speaker 3>He claimed that he used to work for Microsoft and

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<v Speaker 3>witnessed massive tax evation. I have not looked into that.

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<v Speaker 3>I do not believe he.

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<v Speaker 2>Worked to definitely do, Yet they all do. It's not

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think they break the law because they have

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<v Speaker 2>whole departments of people who are there to make sure

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<v Speaker 2>that at least they're not breaking the law enough that

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<v Speaker 2>it will matter. But like whatever I mean again, some

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<v Speaker 2>of this does. Some of all grievances like this come

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<v Speaker 2>from real things like corporations like Microsoft that are tremendously

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<v Speaker 2>wealthy do not pay their fair share, and in fact

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<v Speaker 2>do a great deal to allid their tax burden. He's

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<v Speaker 2>just like, Yeah, It's one of the frustrating things about

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<v Speaker 2>this is how all of this actual malfeasance feeds into

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<v Speaker 2>these delusions and feeds into the conspiratorial narratives of the

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<v Speaker 2>people that take advantage of people like justin Yep.

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<v Speaker 3>He said that martial law will continue as long as

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<v Speaker 3>Americans support him and until America is secured enough to

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<v Speaker 3>hold a legitimate election, and that Moan would authorize police

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<v Speaker 3>a military to use any force necessary to take back

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<v Speaker 3>America's city is from quote fifth column extremist organizations such

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<v Speaker 3>as the LGBT community, the BLM movement, and terrorist organizations

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<v Speaker 3>like Antifa unquote. This is where he went on a

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<v Speaker 3>whole Antifa rant, saying Antifa is a part of the

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<v Speaker 3>federal government's systematic, top down, globalist and communists takeover of America.

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<v Speaker 3>Moan stress the importance of capturing alive quote one of

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<v Speaker 3>the key players involved in this treason, or else they

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<v Speaker 3>will never be able to discover the entire network of

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<v Speaker 3>evil unquote. So Moane blamed Antifa, BLM and the LGBTQ

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<v Speaker 3>community for stoking a division to create a race war

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<v Speaker 3>and religious war. It's it's just it's it's it's it's

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<v Speaker 3>hard to hold to hold the justification of your You're

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<v Speaker 3>accusing people of stoking division as you're holding up the

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<v Speaker 3>severed head of your father. Like, there's just that a

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<v Speaker 3>complete disconnect here. Quote. The government has disallowed any peaceful solution.

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<v Speaker 3>Violence is the only solution to the federal government's treason

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<v Speaker 3>and the actions of their fifth column terrorist organizations like Antifa.

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<v Speaker 3>This is an ideological and spiritual war.

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<v Speaker 2>Unquote Yeah, very similar in some ways to what McVeigh

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<v Speaker 2>was saying, right, Like, this is the only way to

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<v Speaker 2>communicate with the government. It's the only language that they understand.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>And then lastly, he kind of closes this video with

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<v Speaker 3>a further look into some of his own political delusions.

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<v Speaker 3>He said that before the twenty twenty elections, electors and

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<v Speaker 3>campaign contributors from both parties said that they saw Justin

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<v Speaker 3>Mohan as the best candidate for the president of America.

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<v Speaker 3>He's thirty two years old. He was like twenty eight

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<v Speaker 3>back in twenty twenty. Quote, I could have been the

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<v Speaker 3>first unanimously elected president, but I was betrayed by the FBI,

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<v Speaker 3>federal courts, and my own family because there are people

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<v Speaker 3>that believe I am the Messiah, which goes against the

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<v Speaker 3>government's satanic communist ideology.

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<v Speaker 2>A quick note, if all of those groups didn't want

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<v Speaker 2>you to be president, how would you have been elected

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<v Speaker 2>unanimously or would the FBI have been like, well, now

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<v Speaker 2>that he's on the ballot, we got to vote for

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<v Speaker 2>the guy.

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<v Speaker 3>So after saying there are many people that believe I

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<v Speaker 3>am the Messiah, he then said, quote, I would never

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<v Speaker 3>compare myself to Jesus Christ unquote, which is not true.

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<v Speaker 3>He has many times.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he sure has, you know, most notably in the

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<v Speaker 2>title of his book, The Second Messiah, King of Earth

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<v Speaker 2>by Justin Mohan. Yeah, although that is about his self.

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<v Speaker 2>Insert character who he says lives a life identical to

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<v Speaker 2>his named Buster moon.

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<v Speaker 3>Buster moon uh huh. And then I will do the

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<v Speaker 3>last little bit about this video. Quote, if there is

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<v Speaker 3>a federal employee in your family, make it your New

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<v Speaker 3>Year's resolution to kill them in order to protect your

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<v Speaker 3>own children unquote. And then Moan followed that by quoting

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<v Speaker 3>from Matthew ten twenty one. This is a verse in

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<v Speaker 3>the New Testament. Brothers and sisters will betray one another

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<v Speaker 3>and have each other put to death. Parents will betray

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<v Speaker 3>their own children, and children will turn against their parents

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<v Speaker 3>and have them killed unquote.

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<v Speaker 2>It's interesting because I've heard that sided before, and usually

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<v Speaker 2>it was in like older conspiracies of the New World Order,

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<v Speaker 2>and like, yeah, that's what they believed the evil anti

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<v Speaker 2>Christ you win regime was going to do to them.

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<v Speaker 2>It's fun to hear someone be like, that's what we

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<v Speaker 2>have to kill the families of the people who are.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't think that's what he's actually saying. He's saying

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<v Speaker 3>like he's talking about how he is felt betrayed by

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<v Speaker 3>his own family and by the government.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh gotcha, Okay, that makes sense.

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<v Speaker 3>This points to like this massive disconnect in his own head.

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<v Speaker 3>This is the betrayal he's talking about. Is he is

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<v Speaker 3>using this verse as a reference to like the end times,

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<v Speaker 3>but he's saying like, this is the betrayal that we're seeing,

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<v Speaker 3>and in response, now we have to do this. So

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<v Speaker 3>on I'm going to quote from ABC News here. So

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<v Speaker 3>the US Martiall Service investigated Moan in August or twenty

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<v Speaker 3>twenty three, after he allegedly made a threat against a

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<v Speaker 3>US district court judge. The case was closed that same month.

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<v Speaker 3>He was reported to police pretty frequently for this bizarre

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<v Speaker 3>behavior in his own neighborhood, like sitting on manhole covers

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<v Speaker 3>and staring at houses for hours on end. Now Moan

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<v Speaker 3>has held conspiratorial and anti government views for at least

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<v Speaker 3>seven years in attempt to recruit people to join his Moans

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<v Speaker 3>militia on Reddit and Discord, though no one seemed to join,

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<v Speaker 3>and then at least one Discord server threw him out

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<v Speaker 3>because of his repeated recruitment attempts. And after fleeing home

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<v Speaker 3>after he posted that video, he drove more than one

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<v Speaker 3>hundred miles north and broke into the Pennsylvania National Guard

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<v Speaker 3>base with a gun and then was arrested after he

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<v Speaker 3>was tracked there on his cell phone. There is a

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<v Speaker 3>song that Justin wrote about three years ago about being

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<v Speaker 3>arrested after being tracked on his cell phone after doing

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<v Speaker 3>violence against his family.

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<v Speaker 2>You think he would have like not had a cell

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<v Speaker 2>phone on him, given that he was aware of that

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<v Speaker 2>as a risk, But.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know if he was really thinking large like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>if you watch the video, like he thinks National Guard

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<v Speaker 3>is going to like join him, Yea, He's not thinking

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<v Speaker 3>about it that way. So yeah, I believe Moan is

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<v Speaker 3>published at this point nine books. I'm going to read

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<v Speaker 3>from his Amazon about page. Justimona is the author of

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<v Speaker 3>seven books now nine, and a musician of three albums

0:24:04.320 --> 0:24:07.320
<v Speaker 3>and one single. His life story is unbelievable and there

0:24:07.359 --> 0:24:10.080
<v Speaker 3>may not be enough words to describe him, but one

0:24:10.119 --> 0:24:14.480
<v Speaker 3>may begin to understand his complexity and experiences through his art.

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<v Speaker 3>He only wishes to bring positive change to the world.

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<v Speaker 3>Now I will I will talk about some of those

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<v Speaker 3>some of those other books after we take a quick

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>So justin Mohan's bibliography, here we go. So I think

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<v Speaker 3>Robert has one of his books, The Second Messiah, King

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<v Speaker 3>of Earth. Yeah, there is many other books he's published,

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<v Speaker 3>including a book Startling Number, a book called The Pink,

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<v Speaker 3>a book called Poems I Wrote, Well Stoned, a collection

0:24:56.960 --> 0:25:01.920
<v Speaker 3>of poems They will Burn, this book, The Punishing America's

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<v Speaker 3>Coming Bloody Revolution, The Kingdom of Darkness, Dark Ages of

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<v Speaker 3>the Future, a collection of short stories, and finally, The

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<v Speaker 3>Revolution Leader's Survival Guide, How schools, workplaces, and social norms

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<v Speaker 3>kill the genius inside us.

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<v Speaker 2>All not bad at titling, you know, so pretty pretty effective.

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<v Speaker 2>Good for SEO.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm on board.

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<v Speaker 3>Let's start with that last book here, The Revolution Leader's

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<v Speaker 3>Survival Guide. It targets the quote constraints against education, creativity,

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<v Speaker 3>and human progress throughout history unquote, and the book is

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<v Speaker 3>mostly about Moan's own inability to find a high paying

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<v Speaker 3>enough job after college. This is a reoccurring trend in

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of his books, including I Believe the one

0:25:45.920 --> 0:25:50.359
<v Speaker 3>that Robert has. Moan complains about student loans, how America's

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<v Speaker 3>education system is faulty, and talks about being bullied in

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<v Speaker 3>school as a kid. I'm going to quote from the

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<v Speaker 3>book's description. The author views the world on the brink

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<v Speaker 3>of either a golden age of world peace and space colonization,

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<v Speaker 3>or instead a second dark age of global wars and

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<v Speaker 3>depopulation within the next couple of decades, if not sooner.

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<v Speaker 3>Included within the book is a transcript of a letter

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<v Speaker 3>Justin Mohan wrote to Donald Trump, warning that if America

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<v Speaker 3>does not go under some great changes, Moan himself will

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<v Speaker 3>have to lead a peaceful revolution. In another book titled

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<v Speaker 3>The Kingdom of Darkness, published on May thirteenth, twenty twenty,

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<v Speaker 3>it's a novel about Satan and fallen angels becoming quote

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<v Speaker 3>trapped inside Earth's slowliest creatures after being banished from heaven.

0:26:35.240 --> 0:26:37.679
<v Speaker 3>He has a whole bitch of other like fantasy and

0:26:37.840 --> 0:26:43.200
<v Speaker 3>sci fi type books like Aliens, Space Exploration, a weird

0:26:43.240 --> 0:26:45.960
<v Speaker 3>collection a genre. In a pamphlet he self published on

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<v Speaker 3>Amazon in August of twenty twenty, titled America's Coming Bloody Revolution,

0:26:51.160 --> 0:26:55.399
<v Speaker 3>the small book contains two chapters, one titled Why a

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<v Speaker 3>violent Revolution is Inevitable and a second titled How Revolution

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<v Speaker 3>can be successful. Moan wrote, quote, Americans will have to

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<v Speaker 3>weigh what is worse allowing themselves to lose freedom and

0:27:08.200 --> 0:27:13.920
<v Speaker 3>independence or killing their own family members, teachers, workers, bosses, judges,

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<v Speaker 3>elected leaders, and other older generations unquote. This is where

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<v Speaker 3>we get a lot of like a predictive writing around

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<v Speaker 3>what he's going to be doing. Mohne described older generations

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<v Speaker 3>as quote traders who wished to to take away the

0:27:30.720 --> 0:27:34.560
<v Speaker 3>freedom and independence that comes with America democracy and free

0:27:34.600 --> 0:27:40.080
<v Speaker 3>market capitalism, which leads me then to the book that

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<v Speaker 3>Robert has the Second Messiah, which was published in January

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<v Speaker 3>of twenty twenty. It's about a man named Buster Moon

0:27:46.440 --> 0:27:50.399
<v Speaker 3>who moves from Ohio to Colorado and quote painfully learns

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<v Speaker 3>the dark secret of Colorado from everything containing satanic cults,

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<v Speaker 3>the Democratic Party, and the Cold War. Now we will

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<v Speaker 3>get more into this book, specifically in a later episode.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm going to read a little bit from the back cover.

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<v Speaker 3>The only thing more absurd than this fiction book is

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<v Speaker 3>the fact that it's loosely based on the life of

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<v Speaker 3>author and musician Justin Mohan, whose four years stay in

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<v Speaker 3>Colorado caused multiple lawsuits, changed the possible outcome the twenty

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<v Speaker 3>twenty US presidential election by exposing three presidential candidates as corrupt,

0:28:19.240 --> 0:28:22.439
<v Speaker 3>which forced them to drop out of the race. We

0:28:22.480 --> 0:28:26.080
<v Speaker 3>have more of these presidential delusions that he was talking

0:28:26.080 --> 0:28:29.280
<v Speaker 3>about at the end of his beheading video here, and

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<v Speaker 3>in terms of how this mirrors, like I said, we'll

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<v Speaker 3>learn more about this book later, but I will talk

0:28:34.760 --> 0:28:37.760
<v Speaker 3>now some about his actual personal life, which will then

0:28:37.920 --> 0:28:41.720
<v Speaker 3>become slightly reflected in the book, Like going to Colorado Springs.

0:28:42.240 --> 0:28:45.080
<v Speaker 3>He graduated from Penn State with a business management degree

0:28:45.400 --> 0:28:47.880
<v Speaker 3>and sued the federal government multiple times for letting him

0:28:47.880 --> 0:28:49.960
<v Speaker 3>take out student loans that he was forced to pay back.

0:28:50.320 --> 0:28:52.400
<v Speaker 3>The most recent case was last year, where he sued

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<v Speaker 3>for ten million dollars because despite getting a degree with

0:28:55.280 --> 0:28:58.280
<v Speaker 3>the loans, he was unable to quote find a satisfactory

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<v Speaker 3>job as an over educated way man to repay the loan,

0:29:02.320 --> 0:29:05.120
<v Speaker 3>claiming that he was a victim of affirmative action and

0:29:05.240 --> 0:29:09.800
<v Speaker 3>reverse discrimination. In a previously dismissed lawsuit against the Department

0:29:09.840 --> 0:29:14.120
<v Speaker 3>of Education, he alleged that they neglectfully and fraudulently induced

0:29:14.160 --> 0:29:16.440
<v Speaker 3>him to borrow money to pay for his education without

0:29:16.440 --> 0:29:18.480
<v Speaker 3>sufficiently warning him of the possibility that he would face

0:29:18.480 --> 0:29:20.760
<v Speaker 3>a difficult job market and could be unable to pay

0:29:20.760 --> 0:29:25.440
<v Speaker 3>back his student loan. So Mohan did move to Colorado,

0:29:25.520 --> 0:29:28.560
<v Speaker 3>just like Buster Moon about ten years ago, eventually getting

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<v Speaker 3>a job at Progressive Insurance, but was fired in twenty

0:29:31.600 --> 0:29:34.200
<v Speaker 3>seventeen for kicking down a door and quote breaking the

0:29:34.200 --> 0:29:37.560
<v Speaker 3>company's code of conduct. Mon then sued Progressive in twenty

0:29:37.640 --> 0:29:40.320
<v Speaker 3>nineteen for not receiving promotions because he was a man

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<v Speaker 3>in his Violent Revolution pamphlet, mon claims that he was

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<v Speaker 3>a victim of discrimination from quote being a top performing

0:29:46.880 --> 0:29:51.880
<v Speaker 3>over educated and overqualified male employee unquote, and in that

0:29:51.920 --> 0:29:55.280
<v Speaker 3>same pamphlet, Mohan wrote that his educational, employment and legal

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<v Speaker 3>issues are evident that there is quote no peaceful solution

0:29:58.840 --> 0:30:02.080
<v Speaker 3>for the youth to escape debt based enslavement, unemployment, and

0:30:02.200 --> 0:30:06.680
<v Speaker 3>ultimately imprisonment. He compared his experience to quote the Soviet

0:30:06.760 --> 0:30:10.160
<v Speaker 3>Union's feared goolog prison labor system and in which entire

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<v Speaker 3>states and countries were essentially turned into concentration camps. Moan

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<v Speaker 3>wrote that educators and parents who quote knowingly lie, brainwash,

0:30:18.240 --> 0:30:21.520
<v Speaker 3>and dumb down their youth unquote, must be killed to

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<v Speaker 3>prevent the spread of quote globalized communism and corporate agendas.

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<v Speaker 3>This is where we have an interesting combination of like

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<v Speaker 3>anti communism fears but also anti corporatism that you see

0:30:32.600 --> 0:30:35.600
<v Speaker 3>in some sects of like libertarian conservatism, You sure do.

0:30:36.600 --> 0:30:39.240
<v Speaker 3>He claims that communism is like a virus and that

0:30:39.280 --> 0:30:42.560
<v Speaker 3>America must treat it like a virus. Quote. The only

0:30:42.680 --> 0:30:45.360
<v Speaker 3>logical way to do so is for every American born

0:30:45.560 --> 0:30:49.160
<v Speaker 3>in nineteen ninety one or later to kill anyone born

0:30:49.240 --> 0:30:51.840
<v Speaker 3>before nineteen ninety one unquote.

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<v Speaker 2>Well now he's cooking, okay, okay, yeah, yeah, I'm back

0:30:56.760 --> 0:30:58.080
<v Speaker 2>on board. I'm back on board.

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<v Speaker 5>You know this could work, and said that was the

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<v Speaker 5>year that he was born. Uh huh yeah, yeah, logical

0:31:05.360 --> 0:31:07.680
<v Speaker 5>logical point to divide it on. I'd respected more if

0:31:07.720 --> 0:31:10.720
<v Speaker 5>he'd been born earlier, you know. But so I already

0:31:10.720 --> 0:31:14.240
<v Speaker 5>mentioned some of his music. It had similar predictive elements

0:31:14.240 --> 0:31:17.760
<v Speaker 5>of he was doing art in almost like in practice

0:31:17.760 --> 0:31:19.720
<v Speaker 5>of what he was then going to later do in

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<v Speaker 5>person in terms of carrying and violence, as well as

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<v Speaker 5>just evident of kind of delusional and paranoid thinking. He

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<v Speaker 5>has a song about being gang stocked. He has a

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<v Speaker 5>song about I think like a girlfriend who broke up

0:31:30.280 --> 0:31:32.760
<v Speaker 5>with him. He has songs talking about how it's okay

0:31:32.800 --> 0:31:36.600
<v Speaker 5>to kill communists and how we're overall seeing a decline

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<v Speaker 5>in American society. So that that is most of what

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<v Speaker 5>I have to say about Justinemona. I could certainly say

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<v Speaker 5>a whole lot more now. On top of my research

0:31:45.760 --> 0:31:49.239
<v Speaker 5>onto him himself, I also wanted to look at the

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<v Speaker 5>sort of online chatter that neo Nazis and other extremists

0:31:52.920 --> 0:31:58.120
<v Speaker 5>were saying, and I put together, hey, a large catalog

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<v Speaker 5>of telegram a conversation about Justin moun watching the spread

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<v Speaker 5>of certain conspiracy theories around this incident, and just to

0:32:05.680 --> 0:32:08.120
<v Speaker 5>see what their overall take was, I will I will

0:32:08.160 --> 0:32:11.840
<v Speaker 5>paraphrase my like eighty page research document here by saying,

0:32:12.320 --> 0:32:15.680
<v Speaker 5>it seems most Naziis and other white supremacists or far

0:32:15.760 --> 0:32:19.400
<v Speaker 5>right extremists thought that the Justinmone incident was quote fake

0:32:19.480 --> 0:32:26.440
<v Speaker 5>and gay unquote.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, they tend to keep up with these these thought fluencers.

0:32:26.360 --> 0:32:29.920
<v Speaker 2>Really glad that they're kidding some of their side.

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<v Speaker 3>Many other far right extremists took this to be a syop. Sure,

0:32:35.080 --> 0:32:36.800
<v Speaker 3>they thought it was an attempt to push forward this

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<v Speaker 3>anti militia bill that's being talked about, as well as

0:32:39.440 --> 0:32:42.280
<v Speaker 3>distract from the crisis at the southern border. Certain white

0:32:42.320 --> 0:32:46.560
<v Speaker 3>spremacists were upset that he used the phrase to Judeo

0:32:46.640 --> 0:32:51.600
<v Speaker 3>Christian values because they are anti Semitic and Justin Mone

0:32:51.640 --> 0:32:56.000
<v Speaker 3>did not seem to be consciously anti Semitic. Yeah, and

0:32:56.560 --> 0:32:59.560
<v Speaker 3>we had we had these conspiracy theories travel everywhere, from

0:32:59.600 --> 0:33:03.840
<v Speaker 3>standard kind of neo Nazi telegram accounts to more conservative

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<v Speaker 3>Boomer Mega type stuff as well, mostly picking up on

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<v Speaker 3>like the on the on the anti militia angle, how

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<v Speaker 3>this is probably a syop from the deep state. To

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<v Speaker 3>push forward this anti militia bill. Some people thought thought

0:33:18.720 --> 0:33:21.160
<v Speaker 3>they were very clever and realizing this was a syop

0:33:21.280 --> 0:33:23.640
<v Speaker 3>because they thought justinmone was thirty three years old. And

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<v Speaker 3>there's this conspiracy theory around the number thirty three in

0:33:26.360 --> 0:33:28.680
<v Speaker 3>a lot of these circles, the conspiracies around how the

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<v Speaker 3>number thirty three is used a lot in like mass

0:33:30.960 --> 0:33:33.920
<v Speaker 3>shooting incidents. Now it's not this is just pattern recognition.

0:33:34.000 --> 0:33:37.320
<v Speaker 3>But also mon isn't thirty three, He's thirty two, So great,

0:33:37.600 --> 0:33:40.800
<v Speaker 3>great work there. And there's specifically one telegram channel that

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<v Speaker 3>found a prop head I believe on.

0:33:42.760 --> 0:33:46.760
<v Speaker 2>Etsy, Yeah, like a prop severed head.

0:33:47.040 --> 0:33:50.320
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, we started seeing this spread all over Twitter, conservative

0:33:50.360 --> 0:33:53.000
<v Speaker 3>news sites. How this has to be fake because look

0:33:53.000 --> 0:33:55.320
<v Speaker 3>we found we found the fake head they used, which

0:33:55.360 --> 0:33:58.280
<v Speaker 3>is quite simply not the severed head that Justin Moone's

0:33:58.280 --> 0:34:00.479
<v Speaker 3>holding up in the video. I don't think really much

0:34:00.560 --> 0:34:04.200
<v Speaker 3>useful else to say about these conspiracy theories, but yeah,

0:34:04.240 --> 0:34:06.920
<v Speaker 3>they certainly were kind of laughing along at some of

0:34:06.960 --> 0:34:10.520
<v Speaker 3>like the Gangstalker e elements, thinking, you know, some people

0:34:10.520 --> 0:34:13.640
<v Speaker 3>obviously thought he was based and cool for actually doing

0:34:13.840 --> 0:34:16.080
<v Speaker 3>some of the ideological things that these Nazis believe in.

0:34:16.400 --> 0:34:19.040
<v Speaker 3>Others thought it was it's just fun to make fun

0:34:19.040 --> 0:34:23.320
<v Speaker 3>of a guy, so they decided it was a syop. Yeah,

0:34:22.640 --> 0:34:25.440
<v Speaker 3>that is most of what I had to say about

0:34:25.480 --> 0:34:25.879
<v Speaker 3>Justin Mohan.

0:34:27.840 --> 0:34:31.239
<v Speaker 2>Well, this has been quite an inspiring journey. We are

0:34:31.239 --> 0:34:34.800
<v Speaker 2>going to have more to say about Justin and finally

0:34:34.840 --> 0:34:38.320
<v Speaker 2>get into his book, The Second Messiah, King of Earth,

0:34:38.400 --> 0:34:42.200
<v Speaker 2>which is in a way become my Bible. I think

0:34:42.239 --> 0:34:45.479
<v Speaker 2>I may I may keep this in my apocalypse go bag,

0:34:45.520 --> 0:34:47.200
<v Speaker 2>so I can do like a book of Eli with

0:34:47.280 --> 0:34:50.600
<v Speaker 2>this thing. If the world ends, just be wandering alone

0:34:50.640 --> 0:34:55.640
<v Speaker 2>across the wasteland telling everybody about this man's book, I guess.

0:34:55.680 --> 0:34:58.120
<v Speaker 3>Finally, the last thing I'll say is that this reminds

0:34:58.160 --> 0:35:01.359
<v Speaker 3>me of two recent incidents. Had one mass shooting done

0:35:01.360 --> 0:35:05.440
<v Speaker 3>by a Nazi in Denver, Colorado, and he previously wrote

0:35:05.440 --> 0:35:09.200
<v Speaker 3>and made short films depicting the murder that he would

0:35:09.200 --> 0:35:12.520
<v Speaker 3>then do. We also had the Highland Park shooting on

0:35:12.640 --> 0:35:15.640
<v Speaker 3>July fourth a few years back. Who the person who

0:35:15.680 --> 0:35:18.239
<v Speaker 3>did that created a lot of music online in this

0:35:18.360 --> 0:35:20.759
<v Speaker 3>very like I would say the Highland Park music was

0:35:20.840 --> 0:35:23.520
<v Speaker 3>much more in like the Schizowave genre of extremist content.

0:35:23.840 --> 0:35:25.880
<v Speaker 3>I think the stuff, the stuff that Justin Mohan is

0:35:25.880 --> 0:35:28.919
<v Speaker 3>producing is honestly more like the stuff that schizo Wave

0:35:29.000 --> 0:35:32.439
<v Speaker 3>is like parodying, Like Justin Moans was a lot more

0:35:33.280 --> 0:35:37.960
<v Speaker 3>like sincere, less less ironic. Uh, it was, it was,

0:35:38.000 --> 0:35:40.280
<v Speaker 3>it was. It was just like taken at face value,

0:35:40.480 --> 0:35:43.120
<v Speaker 3>these two instances I was reminded of just because of

0:35:43.160 --> 0:35:47.280
<v Speaker 3>how much those acts of violence were predated by artistic

0:35:47.320 --> 0:35:50.360
<v Speaker 3>expressions of the later thing that they would end up doing.

0:35:50.680 --> 0:35:52.960
<v Speaker 3>And in Mohan's case, it's exactly the same. He has

0:35:53.000 --> 0:35:56.400
<v Speaker 3>written about killing family members, He's written about the exact

0:35:56.400 --> 0:35:58.880
<v Speaker 3>way he would be arrested and tracked down writing that

0:35:58.960 --> 0:36:02.440
<v Speaker 3>goes back like four five years. This is there's so

0:36:02.480 --> 0:36:04.920
<v Speaker 3>many people online who have exact who are in this

0:36:05.080 --> 0:36:07.200
<v Speaker 3>same scenario, who are putting out this type of writing.

0:36:07.440 --> 0:36:09.799
<v Speaker 3>No one knows who they are. Mone had like five

0:36:09.840 --> 0:36:13.319
<v Speaker 3>listeners on Spotify. These people are unknown, and every once

0:36:13.320 --> 0:36:15.479
<v Speaker 3>in a while one of them decides that writing about

0:36:15.480 --> 0:36:17.239
<v Speaker 3>it isn't enough and they actually do it in the

0:36:17.280 --> 0:36:20.080
<v Speaker 3>real world. And it's just this, It's just it's this

0:36:20.440 --> 0:36:25.640
<v Speaker 3>interesting trend of these people like almost like hyperstitioning these

0:36:25.719 --> 0:36:29.520
<v Speaker 3>own acts of violence by making art that predates it

0:36:29.560 --> 0:36:31.400
<v Speaker 3>almost in some forms like preparation.

0:36:32.200 --> 0:36:35.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, And we talked about hyperstition as a concept

0:36:35.960 --> 0:36:39.440
<v Speaker 2>a bit in last weeks Behind the Bastards, but it is.

0:36:39.520 --> 0:36:42.920
<v Speaker 2>It is a term for essentially the methods and ways

0:36:42.960 --> 0:36:46.600
<v Speaker 2>by which things that are fictional become real. And it

0:36:46.640 --> 0:36:51.400
<v Speaker 2>can be kind of as esoteric as the idea of

0:36:51.520 --> 0:36:55.880
<v Speaker 2>like preparing the way for a godlike AI by like

0:36:55.960 --> 0:36:58.200
<v Speaker 2>spreading belief and that sort of thing, or it can

0:36:58.239 --> 0:37:02.000
<v Speaker 2>be as direct like as this, as as somebody envisioning

0:37:02.040 --> 0:37:05.040
<v Speaker 2>the acts they're going to carry out in fiction and

0:37:05.080 --> 0:37:09.360
<v Speaker 2>then carrying out those acts for real, like it on

0:37:09.400 --> 0:37:11.960
<v Speaker 2>an individual level, what you're doing when you're doing this

0:37:12.040 --> 0:37:15.520
<v Speaker 2>is you're kind of you are preparing yourself mentally for

0:37:15.600 --> 0:37:17.920
<v Speaker 2>the thing that you're going to do. And when I

0:37:17.960 --> 0:37:21.960
<v Speaker 2>would sort of lecture and talk about what to how

0:37:22.000 --> 0:37:24.920
<v Speaker 2>to know something is like a real threat versus somebody

0:37:24.960 --> 0:37:26.920
<v Speaker 2>saying shit on the internet, because that's obviously that's a

0:37:26.960 --> 0:37:29.800
<v Speaker 2>real problem when we talk about this, there's a huge

0:37:29.960 --> 0:37:34.239
<v Speaker 2>quantity of people saying stuff that could be them presaging

0:37:34.360 --> 0:37:37.640
<v Speaker 2>like an act of violence, and you simply can't go

0:37:37.760 --> 0:37:40.319
<v Speaker 2>after everything. And one of the key things for me

0:37:40.320 --> 0:37:43.719
<v Speaker 2>always is what have they gone and done anything in

0:37:43.760 --> 0:37:46.480
<v Speaker 2>the real world. So, for example, if a guy has

0:37:46.600 --> 0:37:49.560
<v Speaker 2>like been going out and like egging homeless people or

0:37:49.640 --> 0:37:52.680
<v Speaker 2>like lighting their shit on fire, and is also talking

0:37:52.719 --> 0:37:56.479
<v Speaker 2>about murdering homeless people, well that's probably a guy who's

0:37:56.520 --> 0:37:59.520
<v Speaker 2>going to do something right because he's actively going out

0:37:59.560 --> 0:38:02.520
<v Speaker 2>in the real world in taking steps, he's prepping himself.

0:38:02.880 --> 0:38:05.400
<v Speaker 2>And I think this kind of work. When somebody's written

0:38:05.400 --> 0:38:09.040
<v Speaker 2>a whole novel about their murder fantasies, obviously that's not

0:38:09.120 --> 0:38:11.120
<v Speaker 2>a thing you can invest your convict on, but like

0:38:11.440 --> 0:38:13.960
<v Speaker 2>nor should it be. But that is somebody who is

0:38:14.000 --> 0:38:16.920
<v Speaker 2>doing more than bullshitting online. That's somebody who has a

0:38:17.000 --> 0:38:19.759
<v Speaker 2>fixation that they clearly can't get over, and those do

0:38:19.920 --> 0:38:24.160
<v Speaker 2>sometimes lead to violence. And so yeah, I think I

0:38:24.160 --> 0:38:28.600
<v Speaker 2>think it's really valid to look at this as not

0:38:28.960 --> 0:38:31.480
<v Speaker 2>just a couple of incidents that are troubling, but as

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<v Speaker 2>evidence of a troubling trend. Yep, all right, well that

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<v Speaker 2>does a frustrating comment.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, all right, Please do not earn your place in

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<v Speaker 3>heaven by sending a trader to hell early. It does

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<v Speaker 3>not see to work out very well.

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<v Speaker 2>No, earn your place in heaven. I don't actually have

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<v Speaker 2>a joke to finish this episode with, Don't Don't commit Murder.

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<v Speaker 4>Bye.

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