Speaker 1: All Zone Media.
Speaker 2: Welcome to It could Happen here, a podcast about things
Speaker 2: falling apart. And you know, folks, season one of this,
Speaker 2: if you listened way back in twenty nineteen, we focused
Speaker 2: a lot on my fears about a massive coming civil
Speaker 2: conflict in the United States, you know, along the lines
Speaker 2: of a civil war, but sort of based around my
Speaker 2: experiences in civil conflicts in Ukraine and Iraq and Syria
Speaker 2: a number of other parts of the world prior to
Speaker 2: twenty twenty. And one of the reasons I'm bringing this
Speaker 2: up right now is because, you know, what I experienced
Speaker 2: with the fighting in Isis in Iraq was kind of
Speaker 2: instrumental in me understanding how conflict looked in the modern era,
Speaker 2: and how the United States was closer to a conflict
Speaker 2: like that than I think a lot of folks would normally,
Speaker 2: especially people who are kind of obsessed with the idea
Speaker 2: of a civil war. As two big armies in gray
Speaker 2: and blue marching at each other, we're willing to kind
Speaker 2: of to contend with. And when I was starting that
Speaker 2: reporting over there, you know, taking my first trips to Iraq,
Speaker 2: one of the first things that I did was watch
Speaker 2: every Isis beheading video and some of the Al Qaida
Speaker 2: in Iraq beheading videos prior to that, not as a
Speaker 2: voyeuristic thing, but because I felt like, if I was
Speaker 2: going to take myself and another person into that situation,
Speaker 2: the responsible thing to do was make myself very informed
Speaker 2: of what the stakes were. And I'm bringing this all
Speaker 2: up not because we're talking about the Middle East today,
Speaker 2: because we are talking about a beheading video, probably the
Speaker 2: first beheading video directly tied to the US culture war
Speaker 2: that I can name. And I'm going to throw to
Speaker 2: Garrison Davis now.
Speaker 3: All right, So last week, I believe most of this
Speaker 3: went down. On January thirtieth, a thirty two year old
Speaker 3: man named Justin Mohan shot his father in the head
Speaker 3: with a handgun he bought the day previously, and then
Speaker 3: used a kitchen knife and machete to allegedly again this
Speaker 3: is all a quote unquote, allegedly allegedly yes to, allegedly.
Speaker 2: Alleged by him in the video that he recorded, Yes,
Speaker 2: cut off his father's head in a bathtub.
Speaker 3: He put it in a pot and then recorded a
Speaker 3: video which he posted publicly onto YouTube. It was about
Speaker 3: fifteen minutes long, titled Moan's militia called to Arms for
Speaker 3: American Patriots, where he ranted about a number of things
Speaker 3: and mostly called for the killing of federal employees. He fled.
Speaker 3: I think he went a slightly upstate towards a National
Speaker 3: Guard training camp and then was arrested a few hours
Speaker 3: later after his mother found the severed head and body
Speaker 3: of her husband in the house that they all lived
Speaker 3: in together. This is one of the most bizarre acts
Speaker 3: of extremist violence that I've come across in terms of
Speaker 3: like the amount of research I've done to this, and
Speaker 3: I think it kind of points at a this trend
Speaker 3: of extremist acts of violence done by people who have
Speaker 3: a lot of content on the Internet, not just like
Speaker 3: posting manifestos, but like are positioning themselves as some form
Speaker 3: of like alternative content creator. This guy had a lot
Speaker 3: of music, had a lot of self published books. In
Speaker 3: lieu of leaving like a complete single manifesto, we get
Speaker 3: these just years of writing and like artistic creations that
Speaker 3: now live on archive dot org as kind of ghosts
Speaker 3: of this guy's presence.
Speaker 2: And I think what's interesting about that is that shift
Speaker 2: between and I think the christ Church shooter is probably
Speaker 2: like the KT boundary of this particular evolutionary shift from
Speaker 2: like the norm would be that you would produce a
Speaker 2: specific manifesto as an act, like a political act, as
Speaker 2: part of whatever of active violence you carried on. The
Speaker 2: goal was both to inspire other people to act and to,
Speaker 2: you know, partly just to frame yourself as something besides
Speaker 2: alone maniac. And I think one of the things that's
Speaker 2: really interesting about this shift to an increasing number of
Speaker 2: these people representing what they're doing in fiction in some
Speaker 2: way or in some other kind of creative endeavor is
Speaker 2: that it sort of mirrors the idea that like, in
Speaker 2: our culture, the thing that people most want to be
Speaker 2: is some sort of like influencer content creator, Like that's
Speaker 2: the top desired job among like a lot of gen
Speaker 2: Z kids. And it's also just increasingly like the thing
Speaker 2: that people creatively want to see themselves as. And so like,
Speaker 2: I think this fits into this trend of violence that
Speaker 2: is that is foreshadowed by someone, not by a work
Speaker 2: of like political thought, you know, which you may not
Speaker 2: want to think of a manifesto as that, but that
Speaker 2: is what it is, but is preceded instead by art.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So I think I'll talk about a few kind
Speaker 3: of semi similar or at least other cases that have
Speaker 3: some curious linkages. Probably close to the end of the episode,
Speaker 3: but I have some writing here prepared about about the
Speaker 3: beheading video itself, and then a few other kind of
Speaker 3: random stuff about the art that he's made, and Robert
Speaker 3: will probably fill in some useful gaps because Robert acquired
Speaker 3: a very special piece of literature recently.
Speaker 2: So the night that this went down, as soon as
Speaker 2: I found out this guy had written not just a book,
Speaker 2: but multiple books, I was like, well, I kind of
Speaker 2: want to read these, and I know they're going to
Speaker 2: get pulled by tomorrow and Amazon will probably Amazon can
Speaker 2: just take back the kindle books that you buy from them.
Speaker 2: So I ordered a hard copy of the book that
Speaker 2: seemed like the most meaningful to him. It's called The
Speaker 2: Second Messiah, King of Earth by Justin Mohan. It is
Speaker 2: distressingly thick, like four hundred and fifty pages or so.
Speaker 2: It is so much book, and the weird thing about it,
Speaker 2: I've read through a chunk of it and we will
Speaker 2: be getting to some of it. It's not badly written,
Speaker 2: and I want to be clear, I'm not saying that
Speaker 2: like he's a good writer in the commercial sense, or
Speaker 2: that he's a good writer in that like he's a
Speaker 2: skilled artist. I'm saying that, like it's clear writing. You're
Speaker 2: always sure what he's trying to say. When he depicts
Speaker 2: the vinces happening. Those events are crazy, but like he's
Speaker 2: they're clearly depicted, which is interesting to me. And yeah,
Speaker 2: we will be hearing about more of that in part too.
Speaker 2: But I have learned a decent amount about him from
Speaker 2: this book, The Second Messiah, King of Earth.
Speaker 3: So let's get into that fifteen minute video. He starts
Speaker 3: by holding up what is alleged to be his father's
Speaker 3: head inside a plastic bag. He holds it up for
Speaker 3: a few seconds and then starts talking. Now, my initial
Speaker 3: reaction to this video is just how unremarkable most of
Speaker 3: this rant is. There's like calling for killing federal employees,
Speaker 3: which is like the one thing people do that. But
Speaker 3: also you can hear so many of the sentiments that
Speaker 3: he talks about from Fox News contributors, from popular right
Speaker 3: wing podcast hosts, and even sitting politicians. They also talk
Speaker 3: about how quote America is rotting from the inside out,
Speaker 3: as far left woke mobs rampage are once prosperous cities,
Speaker 3: turning them into lawless zones. Unquote. Yeah, use that term
Speaker 3: a lot. Lawless zones. That's a key term. Probably comes
Speaker 3: up like about ten times across this whole video.
Speaker 2: And I want to I think we need to start
Speaker 2: before we get further into this with the elephant in
Speaker 2: the room, which is like a lot and what a
Speaker 2: lot of people have said about this guy, Well, this
Speaker 2: man was mentally ill, and that is absolutely the case. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I add the disclaimer whenever we talk about mental illness
Speaker 2: and mass shootings, people who are mentally ill, people who
Speaker 2: are schizophrenic are not more likely to do this kind
Speaker 2: of violence than anybody else. But that said, when they
Speaker 2: do it, they're also not necessarily less responsible. And what
Speaker 2: I mean by that is a person can be mentally
Speaker 2: ill and engage in a shooting and that doesn't mean
Speaker 2: you shouldn't pay attention to what they are or another
Speaker 2: act of violence. That doesn't mean you don't pay attention
Speaker 2: to why they're saying they did it. The fact that
Speaker 2: this guy is clearly I believe, schizophrenic does not mean
Speaker 2: that his reasons for doing this are immaterial. Because most
Speaker 2: people who have whatever mental illness this guy did have
Speaker 2: do not cut their dad's head off. So the fact
Speaker 2: that he is justifying it with this very boilerplate set
Speaker 2: of right wing culture war grievances is meaningful. And it's
Speaker 2: meaningful because absent that influence in his life, perhaps he
Speaker 2: either doesn't carry out an act of violence or it's
Speaker 2: at least a very different looking one. And so I
Speaker 2: think that is important to just get out to upfront.
Speaker 3: No, he certainly had years of experiencing paranoia, some conspiratorial thinking,
Speaker 3: but specifically the ey are directed towards his own conception
Speaker 3: of the federal government and how it is leading to
Speaker 3: society decay. Is what sparked this act of violence and
Speaker 3: is why he called for copycat killings. So yes, inside
Speaker 3: this rant, Justin Mohan talks about taxes, inflation, and an
Speaker 3: economy that no longer serves American citizens. He mentions how
Speaker 3: the traitorous Biden regime is sending over American troops to
Speaker 3: fight in a doomed war in the Russian winter, leaving
Speaker 3: America defenseless against a quote fifth column army of illegal
Speaker 3: immigrants invading our southern border to strike Americans on our
Speaker 3: own soil unquote. That's another term he uses a lot
Speaker 3: Fifth Column. Yeah, says it like four or five times.
Speaker 3: And that's a very old term. That's a term that
Speaker 3: you would hear in a lot of John Birch materially
Speaker 3: from the middle of the last century, you know.
Speaker 2: So.
Speaker 3: Moan identified himself as quote the commander of America's National
Speaker 3: Network of Militias, also known as Moan's Militia, which seems
Speaker 3: to be mostly a delusion. He had no known connections
Speaker 3: to actual militias in his state or any other states.
Speaker 3: This seemed to be an idea that he got into
Speaker 3: his own head. He then ordered all quote militias and
Speaker 3: patriots across the country to quote hunt down and murder
Speaker 3: every federal employee on site, and to seize all courthouses, FBI,
Speaker 3: i rs, and federal law enforcement offices. To kill and
Speaker 3: capture all border patrol, US marshals, federal agents, and judges,
Speaker 3: and quote torture them for information, and publicly execute them
Speaker 3: for betraying the country. Unquote. He had this, really, he
Speaker 3: had this line that stuck out to me. I didn't copy.
Speaker 3: This is a long video. I did not copy every
Speaker 3: single thing he said. He also, this is one line
Speaker 3: he included earn your place in heaven by sending a
Speaker 3: traitor to hell early with just the cold, like, very
Speaker 3: like emotionless way. He said, that kind of stuck with me.
Speaker 2: Yes, and that is not a belief that you have
Speaker 2: to go to a guy experiencing mental health crisis to find.
Speaker 2: You can hear shades of this all over fucking Twitter,
Speaker 2: among other places.
Speaker 3: You can hear this if you listen to certain right
Speaker 3: wingers give public comment like yeah, in your local city
Speaker 3: council like it's not so. Moan asked that police, veterans,
Speaker 3: and National Guard join the fight, or else cities like
Speaker 3: Philadelphia will turn into lawless zones like Portland and San Francisco.
Speaker 3: He also asked local militias to be his own personal
Speaker 3: security force so that federal employees do not try to
Speaker 3: arrest him.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: He said that state governments should be left alone unless
Speaker 3: they intervene in his revolution, quote the federal government is
Speaker 3: the enemy. Then Mohn declared that quote Joe Biden is
Speaker 3: no longer in power. I am now officially the acting
Speaker 3: president under martial law unquote. He ordered military generals to
Speaker 3: not deploy US troops against US militias and instead join
Speaker 3: their fight to defend the constitution.
Speaker 2: It would be fun if the constitution worked that way,
Speaker 2: if like they'd put that in back in seventeen eighty seven,
Speaker 2: like oh yeah, and if you know, if martial law
Speaker 2: is declared. He's not around yet, but there's going to
Speaker 2: be this guy just in Mode. He's a charge.
Speaker 3: So this is one thing that I'm still slightly confused on. Well,
Speaker 3: there's a few things that are obviously confusing. It seems confusing.
Speaker 3: But Mode offered a one million dollar bounty on a
Speaker 3: number of high level federal US employees, and one hundred
Speaker 3: thousand dollars for every federal judge and even docksed one
Speaker 3: in Pennsylvania. He claimed to currently have ten million dollars
Speaker 3: to exhaust on these bounties. And that is not that's
Speaker 3: just not true.
Speaker 2: Yes, definitely not.
Speaker 3: Man constantly complains about how he's in a poor financial
Speaker 3: situation as a result of a number of factors. He
Speaker 3: does not have ten million dollars. Now, he ordered all
Speaker 3: non military federal employees to resign before ending up like
Speaker 3: his father. Now, his father was an employee at the
Speaker 3: US Army Corps of Engineers for most twenty years. He resigned.
Speaker 3: I think like last year or a few years back.
Speaker 3: It's interesting he called for specifically non military federal employees
Speaker 3: to resign. He was very pro military. I'm not sure
Speaker 3: if his father working for the US Army Corps engineers
Speaker 3: that fits in to his ideology here. But we're not
Speaker 3: laying out a clear line of thinking.
Speaker 2: Obviously it is. This is just slightly off topic. But
Speaker 2: it's never not fascinating to me how strong the feeling
Speaker 2: of emotional attachment to the US military is. Like that
Speaker 2: even this guy would be like, this guy who was
Speaker 2: so clearly deranged and violent about this kind of thing
Speaker 2: would be like but they're the exception. Like, there's obviously
Speaker 2: still basically good. It's just interesting to me. What else
Speaker 2: is interesting to me, Garrison, is where our money comes from.
Speaker 2: And you know where our money comes from.
Speaker 3: The Federal Reserve.
Speaker 2: Yes, actually we are sponsored entirely, entirely by the Federal Reserve.
Speaker 2: So please, I mean literally, anything you do will I
Speaker 2: guess help the Federal Reserve. So go exist in capitalism,
Speaker 2: and we're back.
Speaker 3: Speaking of another federal agency. One agency that Moan addressed
Speaker 3: directly was calling for the Postal Service to suspend all
Speaker 3: services split from the federal government. Or else he will
Speaker 3: not be able to offer protection. And Jesus Christ, no,
Speaker 3: that's negotiating with the postal service. That's very funny. I
Speaker 3: mean this is serious, but that is kind of funny.
Speaker 3: This guy isn't a Nazi. He's a Nazi. He's an extremist.
Speaker 3: He is a he is a conservative extremist.
Speaker 2: He does repeatedly in his book, by the way, also
Speaker 2: talk about like racism being bad like that is like
Speaker 2: very much a consistent through line.
Speaker 3: But some of this like kill your local post type
Speaker 3: stuff certainly reflects a strain of extremist, neo Nazi thinking,
Speaker 3: that particularly James Mason's stuff from the eighties.
Speaker 2: Yes, so he.
Speaker 3: Also said, quote, if the media spreads lives with this revolution,
Speaker 3: I authorize the targeting of news stations, their owners and employees.
Speaker 3: General kind of conservative, anti anti news, anti journalist rhetoric.
Speaker 2: Quote.
Speaker 3: The hunting, capturing, and killing of America's federal employees will
Speaker 3: not stop until americans demands are met and the network
Speaker 3: of America's traders is wiped out. Unquote. Now, some of
Speaker 3: these demands that he called for includes closing the borders,
Speaker 3: a mass deportation of immigrants that have entered under the
Speaker 3: Biden regime, ceasing all human trafficking of children and sex slaves,
Speaker 3: which is obviously already illegal, canceling all public debt, an
Speaker 3: end to the Federal Reserve, restore Congress's right to print
Speaker 3: interest free money, and I'm ceasing all of the quote
Speaker 3: woke and gender ideology propaganda in the schools unquote. So
Speaker 3: we have a weird mix of like very like libertarian
Speaker 3: stuff like the Federal Reserve, interest free money, and then
Speaker 3: other more popular conservative stuff around like the border, and
Speaker 3: then this thing about woke and gender ideology.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's even a little like Nessarrah Jesra stuff in
Speaker 2: there too, about like the whole like allow the government
Speaker 2: to print interest free money again, Like that's that's it's
Speaker 2: interesting that that's mixed in tomato as well.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you know, it's a it's a curious collection
Speaker 3: of political thought. Now, traders to the country included not
Speaker 3: just federal employees, but also quote bribed members of the
Speaker 3: deep state, labor racketeers of the prison industrial complex, and
Speaker 3: globalist leaders of assorted industries unquote. Now there's there's a
Speaker 3: lot to unpacked there. Bribe members of the deep state.
Speaker 3: I think it doesn't need any explanation. But Moone had
Speaker 3: this idea that labor unions were working with with corporations
Speaker 3: to make straight white males have a hard time to
Speaker 3: find jobs, so they would so that they would always
Speaker 3: be unemployed. And unemployment leads to people being arrested and
Speaker 3: sent to prison as a way to fund the court system.
Speaker 3: So this is what he means by labor racketeers of
Speaker 3: the prison industrial complex. It's that labor unions are colluding
Speaker 3: with the government and businesses to keep certain sects of
Speaker 3: the population unemployed to fill up prisons. Now, in terms
Speaker 3: of globalist leaders of a sort of industries, he specifically
Speaker 3: was talking about big tech companies that commit tax evation.
Speaker 3: He claimed that he used to work for Microsoft and
Speaker 3: witnessed massive tax evation. I have not looked into that.
Speaker 3: I do not believe he.
Speaker 2: Worked to definitely do, Yet they all do. It's not
Speaker 2: I don't think they break the law because they have
Speaker 2: whole departments of people who are there to make sure
Speaker 2: that at least they're not breaking the law enough that
Speaker 2: it will matter. But like whatever I mean again, some
Speaker 2: of this does. Some of all grievances like this come
Speaker 2: from real things like corporations like Microsoft that are tremendously
Speaker 2: wealthy do not pay their fair share, and in fact
Speaker 2: do a great deal to allid their tax burden. He's
Speaker 2: just like, Yeah, It's one of the frustrating things about
Speaker 2: this is how all of this actual malfeasance feeds into
Speaker 2: these delusions and feeds into the conspiratorial narratives of the
Speaker 2: people that take advantage of people like justin Yep.
Speaker 3: He said that martial law will continue as long as
Speaker 3: Americans support him and until America is secured enough to
Speaker 3: hold a legitimate election, and that Moan would authorize police
Speaker 3: a military to use any force necessary to take back
Speaker 3: America's city is from quote fifth column extremist organizations such
Speaker 3: as the LGBT community, the BLM movement, and terrorist organizations
Speaker 3: like Antifa unquote. This is where he went on a
Speaker 3: whole Antifa rant, saying Antifa is a part of the
Speaker 3: federal government's systematic, top down, globalist and communists takeover of America.
Speaker 3: Moan stress the importance of capturing alive quote one of
Speaker 3: the key players involved in this treason, or else they
Speaker 3: will never be able to discover the entire network of
Speaker 3: evil unquote. So Moane blamed Antifa, BLM and the LGBTQ
Speaker 3: community for stoking a division to create a race war
Speaker 3: and religious war. It's it's just it's it's it's it's
Speaker 3: hard to hold to hold the justification of your You're
Speaker 3: accusing people of stoking division as you're holding up the
Speaker 3: severed head of your father. Like, there's just that a
Speaker 3: complete disconnect here. Quote. The government has disallowed any peaceful solution.
Speaker 3: Violence is the only solution to the federal government's treason
Speaker 3: and the actions of their fifth column terrorist organizations like Antifa.
Speaker 3: This is an ideological and spiritual war.
Speaker 2: Unquote Yeah, very similar in some ways to what McVeigh
Speaker 2: was saying, right, Like, this is the only way to
Speaker 2: communicate with the government. It's the only language that they understand.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: And then lastly, he kind of closes this video with
Speaker 3: a further look into some of his own political delusions.
Speaker 3: He said that before the twenty twenty elections, electors and
Speaker 3: campaign contributors from both parties said that they saw Justin
Speaker 3: Mohan as the best candidate for the president of America.
Speaker 3: He's thirty two years old. He was like twenty eight
Speaker 3: back in twenty twenty. Quote, I could have been the
Speaker 3: first unanimously elected president, but I was betrayed by the FBI,
Speaker 3: federal courts, and my own family because there are people
Speaker 3: that believe I am the Messiah, which goes against the
Speaker 3: government's satanic communist ideology.
Speaker 2: A quick note, if all of those groups didn't want
Speaker 2: you to be president, how would you have been elected
Speaker 2: unanimously or would the FBI have been like, well, now
Speaker 2: that he's on the ballot, we got to vote for
Speaker 2: the guy.
Speaker 3: So after saying there are many people that believe I
Speaker 3: am the Messiah, he then said, quote, I would never
Speaker 3: compare myself to Jesus Christ unquote, which is not true.
Speaker 3: He has many times.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he sure has, you know, most notably in the
Speaker 2: title of his book, The Second Messiah, King of Earth
Speaker 2: by Justin Mohan. Yeah, although that is about his self.
Speaker 2: Insert character who he says lives a life identical to
Speaker 2: his named Buster moon.
Speaker 3: Buster moon uh huh. And then I will do the
Speaker 3: last little bit about this video. Quote, if there is
Speaker 3: a federal employee in your family, make it your New
Speaker 3: Year's resolution to kill them in order to protect your
Speaker 3: own children unquote. And then Moan followed that by quoting
Speaker 3: from Matthew ten twenty one. This is a verse in
Speaker 3: the New Testament. Brothers and sisters will betray one another
Speaker 3: and have each other put to death. Parents will betray
Speaker 3: their own children, and children will turn against their parents
Speaker 3: and have them killed unquote.
Speaker 2: It's interesting because I've heard that sided before, and usually
Speaker 2: it was in like older conspiracies of the New World Order,
Speaker 2: and like, yeah, that's what they believed the evil anti
Speaker 2: Christ you win regime was going to do to them.
Speaker 2: It's fun to hear someone be like, that's what we
Speaker 2: have to kill the families of the people who are.
Speaker 3: I don't think that's what he's actually saying. He's saying
Speaker 3: like he's talking about how he is felt betrayed by
Speaker 3: his own family and by the government.
Speaker 2: Oh gotcha, Okay, that makes sense.
Speaker 3: This points to like this massive disconnect in his own head.
Speaker 3: This is the betrayal he's talking about. Is he is
Speaker 3: using this verse as a reference to like the end times,
Speaker 3: but he's saying like, this is the betrayal that we're seeing,
Speaker 3: and in response, now we have to do this. So
Speaker 3: on I'm going to quote from ABC News here. So
Speaker 3: the US Martiall Service investigated Moan in August or twenty
Speaker 3: twenty three, after he allegedly made a threat against a
Speaker 3: US district court judge. The case was closed that same month.
Speaker 3: He was reported to police pretty frequently for this bizarre
Speaker 3: behavior in his own neighborhood, like sitting on manhole covers
Speaker 3: and staring at houses for hours on end. Now Moan
Speaker 3: has held conspiratorial and anti government views for at least
Speaker 3: seven years in attempt to recruit people to join his Moans
Speaker 3: militia on Reddit and Discord, though no one seemed to join,
Speaker 3: and then at least one Discord server threw him out
Speaker 3: because of his repeated recruitment attempts. And after fleeing home
Speaker 3: after he posted that video, he drove more than one
Speaker 3: hundred miles north and broke into the Pennsylvania National Guard
Speaker 3: base with a gun and then was arrested after he
Speaker 3: was tracked there on his cell phone. There is a
Speaker 3: song that Justin wrote about three years ago about being
Speaker 3: arrested after being tracked on his cell phone after doing
Speaker 3: violence against his family.
Speaker 2: You think he would have like not had a cell
Speaker 2: phone on him, given that he was aware of that
Speaker 2: as a risk, But.
Speaker 3: I don't know if he was really thinking large like, yeah,
Speaker 3: if you watch the video, like he thinks National Guard
Speaker 3: is going to like join him, Yea, He's not thinking
Speaker 3: about it that way. So yeah, I believe Moan is
Speaker 3: published at this point nine books. I'm going to read
Speaker 3: from his Amazon about page. Justimona is the author of
Speaker 3: seven books now nine, and a musician of three albums
Speaker 3: and one single. His life story is unbelievable and there
Speaker 3: may not be enough words to describe him, but one
Speaker 3: may begin to understand his complexity and experiences through his art.
Speaker 3: He only wishes to bring positive change to the world.
Speaker 3: Now I will I will talk about some of those
Speaker 3: some of those other books after we take a quick
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Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So justin Mohan's bibliography, here we go. So I think
Speaker 3: Robert has one of his books, The Second Messiah, King
Speaker 3: of Earth. Yeah, there is many other books he's published,
Speaker 3: including a book Startling Number, a book called The Pink,
Speaker 3: a book called Poems I Wrote, Well Stoned, a collection
Speaker 3: of poems They will Burn, this book, The Punishing America's
Speaker 3: Coming Bloody Revolution, The Kingdom of Darkness, Dark Ages of
Speaker 3: the Future, a collection of short stories, and finally, The
Speaker 3: Revolution Leader's Survival Guide, How schools, workplaces, and social norms
Speaker 3: kill the genius inside us.
Speaker 2: All not bad at titling, you know, so pretty pretty effective.
Speaker 2: Good for SEO.
Speaker 4: I'm on board.
Speaker 3: Let's start with that last book here, The Revolution Leader's
Speaker 3: Survival Guide. It targets the quote constraints against education, creativity,
Speaker 3: and human progress throughout history unquote, and the book is
Speaker 3: mostly about Moan's own inability to find a high paying
Speaker 3: enough job after college. This is a reoccurring trend in
Speaker 3: a lot of his books, including I Believe the one
Speaker 3: that Robert has. Moan complains about student loans, how America's
Speaker 3: education system is faulty, and talks about being bullied in
Speaker 3: school as a kid. I'm going to quote from the
Speaker 3: book's description. The author views the world on the brink
Speaker 3: of either a golden age of world peace and space colonization,
Speaker 3: or instead a second dark age of global wars and
Speaker 3: depopulation within the next couple of decades, if not sooner.
Speaker 3: Included within the book is a transcript of a letter
Speaker 3: Justin Mohan wrote to Donald Trump, warning that if America
Speaker 3: does not go under some great changes, Moan himself will
Speaker 3: have to lead a peaceful revolution. In another book titled
Speaker 3: The Kingdom of Darkness, published on May thirteenth, twenty twenty,
Speaker 3: it's a novel about Satan and fallen angels becoming quote
Speaker 3: trapped inside Earth's slowliest creatures after being banished from heaven.
Speaker 3: He has a whole bitch of other like fantasy and
Speaker 3: sci fi type books like Aliens, Space Exploration, a weird
Speaker 3: collection a genre. In a pamphlet he self published on
Speaker 3: Amazon in August of twenty twenty, titled America's Coming Bloody Revolution,
Speaker 3: the small book contains two chapters, one titled Why a
Speaker 3: violent Revolution is Inevitable and a second titled How Revolution
Speaker 3: can be successful. Moan wrote, quote, Americans will have to
Speaker 3: weigh what is worse allowing themselves to lose freedom and
Speaker 3: independence or killing their own family members, teachers, workers, bosses, judges,
Speaker 3: elected leaders, and other older generations unquote. This is where
Speaker 3: we get a lot of like a predictive writing around
Speaker 3: what he's going to be doing. Mohne described older generations
Speaker 3: as quote traders who wished to to take away the
Speaker 3: freedom and independence that comes with America democracy and free
Speaker 3: market capitalism, which leads me then to the book that
Speaker 3: Robert has the Second Messiah, which was published in January
Speaker 3: of twenty twenty. It's about a man named Buster Moon
Speaker 3: who moves from Ohio to Colorado and quote painfully learns
Speaker 3: the dark secret of Colorado from everything containing satanic cults,
Speaker 3: the Democratic Party, and the Cold War. Now we will
Speaker 3: get more into this book, specifically in a later episode.
Speaker 3: I'm going to read a little bit from the back cover.
Speaker 3: The only thing more absurd than this fiction book is
Speaker 3: the fact that it's loosely based on the life of
Speaker 3: author and musician Justin Mohan, whose four years stay in
Speaker 3: Colorado caused multiple lawsuits, changed the possible outcome the twenty
Speaker 3: twenty US presidential election by exposing three presidential candidates as corrupt,
Speaker 3: which forced them to drop out of the race. We
Speaker 3: have more of these presidential delusions that he was talking
Speaker 3: about at the end of his beheading video here, and
Speaker 3: in terms of how this mirrors, like I said, we'll
Speaker 3: learn more about this book later, but I will talk
Speaker 3: now some about his actual personal life, which will then
Speaker 3: become slightly reflected in the book, Like going to Colorado Springs.
Speaker 3: He graduated from Penn State with a business management degree
Speaker 3: and sued the federal government multiple times for letting him
Speaker 3: take out student loans that he was forced to pay back.
Speaker 3: The most recent case was last year, where he sued
Speaker 3: for ten million dollars because despite getting a degree with
Speaker 3: the loans, he was unable to quote find a satisfactory
Speaker 3: job as an over educated way man to repay the loan,
Speaker 3: claiming that he was a victim of affirmative action and
Speaker 3: reverse discrimination. In a previously dismissed lawsuit against the Department
Speaker 3: of Education, he alleged that they neglectfully and fraudulently induced
Speaker 3: him to borrow money to pay for his education without
Speaker 3: sufficiently warning him of the possibility that he would face
Speaker 3: a difficult job market and could be unable to pay
Speaker 3: back his student loan. So Mohan did move to Colorado,
Speaker 3: just like Buster Moon about ten years ago, eventually getting
Speaker 3: a job at Progressive Insurance, but was fired in twenty
Speaker 3: seventeen for kicking down a door and quote breaking the
Speaker 3: company's code of conduct. Mon then sued Progressive in twenty
Speaker 3: nineteen for not receiving promotions because he was a man
Speaker 3: in his Violent Revolution pamphlet, mon claims that he was
Speaker 3: a victim of discrimination from quote being a top performing
Speaker 3: over educated and overqualified male employee unquote, and in that
Speaker 3: same pamphlet, Mohan wrote that his educational, employment and legal
Speaker 3: issues are evident that there is quote no peaceful solution
Speaker 3: for the youth to escape debt based enslavement, unemployment, and
Speaker 3: ultimately imprisonment. He compared his experience to quote the Soviet
Speaker 3: Union's feared goolog prison labor system and in which entire
Speaker 3: states and countries were essentially turned into concentration camps. Moan
Speaker 3: wrote that educators and parents who quote knowingly lie, brainwash,
Speaker 3: and dumb down their youth unquote, must be killed to
Speaker 3: prevent the spread of quote globalized communism and corporate agendas.
Speaker 3: This is where we have an interesting combination of like
Speaker 3: anti communism fears but also anti corporatism that you see
Speaker 3: in some sects of like libertarian conservatism, You sure do.
Speaker 3: He claims that communism is like a virus and that
Speaker 3: America must treat it like a virus. Quote. The only
Speaker 3: logical way to do so is for every American born
Speaker 3: in nineteen ninety one or later to kill anyone born
Speaker 3: before nineteen ninety one unquote.
Speaker 2: Well now he's cooking, okay, okay, yeah, yeah, I'm back
Speaker 2: on board. I'm back on board.
Speaker 5: You know this could work, and said that was the
Speaker 5: year that he was born. Uh huh yeah, yeah, logical
Speaker 5: logical point to divide it on. I'd respected more if
Speaker 5: he'd been born earlier, you know. But so I already
Speaker 5: mentioned some of his music. It had similar predictive elements
Speaker 5: of he was doing art in almost like in practice
Speaker 5: of what he was then going to later do in
Speaker 5: person in terms of carrying and violence, as well as
Speaker 5: just evident of kind of delusional and paranoid thinking. He
Speaker 5: has a song about being gang stocked. He has a
Speaker 5: song about I think like a girlfriend who broke up
Speaker 5: with him. He has songs talking about how it's okay
Speaker 5: to kill communists and how we're overall seeing a decline
Speaker 5: in American society. So that that is most of what
Speaker 5: I have to say about Justinemona. I could certainly say
Speaker 5: a whole lot more now. On top of my research
Speaker 5: onto him himself, I also wanted to look at the
Speaker 5: sort of online chatter that neo Nazis and other extremists
Speaker 5: were saying, and I put together, hey, a large catalog
Speaker 5: of telegram a conversation about Justin moun watching the spread
Speaker 5: of certain conspiracy theories around this incident, and just to
Speaker 5: see what their overall take was, I will I will
Speaker 5: paraphrase my like eighty page research document here by saying,
Speaker 5: it seems most Naziis and other white supremacists or far
Speaker 5: right extremists thought that the Justinmone incident was quote fake
Speaker 5: and gay unquote.
Speaker 2: Okay, they tend to keep up with these these thought fluencers.
Speaker 2: Really glad that they're kidding some of their side.
Speaker 3: Many other far right extremists took this to be a syop. Sure,
Speaker 3: they thought it was an attempt to push forward this
Speaker 3: anti militia bill that's being talked about, as well as
Speaker 3: distract from the crisis at the southern border. Certain white
Speaker 3: spremacists were upset that he used the phrase to Judeo
Speaker 3: Christian values because they are anti Semitic and Justin Mone
Speaker 3: did not seem to be consciously anti Semitic. Yeah, and
Speaker 3: we had we had these conspiracy theories travel everywhere, from
Speaker 3: standard kind of neo Nazi telegram accounts to more conservative
Speaker 3: Boomer Mega type stuff as well, mostly picking up on
Speaker 3: like the on the on the anti militia angle, how
Speaker 3: this is probably a syop from the deep state. To
Speaker 3: push forward this anti militia bill. Some people thought thought
Speaker 3: they were very clever and realizing this was a syop
Speaker 3: because they thought justinmone was thirty three years old. And
Speaker 3: there's this conspiracy theory around the number thirty three in
Speaker 3: a lot of these circles, the conspiracies around how the
Speaker 3: number thirty three is used a lot in like mass
Speaker 3: shooting incidents. Now it's not this is just pattern recognition.
Speaker 3: But also mon isn't thirty three, He's thirty two, So great,
Speaker 3: great work there. And there's specifically one telegram channel that
Speaker 3: found a prop head I believe on.
Speaker 2: Etsy, Yeah, like a prop severed head.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we started seeing this spread all over Twitter, conservative
Speaker 3: news sites. How this has to be fake because look
Speaker 3: we found we found the fake head they used, which
Speaker 3: is quite simply not the severed head that Justin Moone's
Speaker 3: holding up in the video. I don't think really much
Speaker 3: useful else to say about these conspiracy theories, but yeah,
Speaker 3: they certainly were kind of laughing along at some of
Speaker 3: like the Gangstalker e elements, thinking, you know, some people
Speaker 3: obviously thought he was based and cool for actually doing
Speaker 3: some of the ideological things that these Nazis believe in.
Speaker 3: Others thought it was it's just fun to make fun
Speaker 3: of a guy, so they decided it was a syop. Yeah,
Speaker 3: that is most of what I had to say about
Speaker 3: Justin Mohan.
Speaker 2: Well, this has been quite an inspiring journey. We are
Speaker 2: going to have more to say about Justin and finally
Speaker 2: get into his book, The Second Messiah, King of Earth,
Speaker 2: which is in a way become my Bible. I think
Speaker 2: I may I may keep this in my apocalypse go bag,
Speaker 2: so I can do like a book of Eli with
Speaker 2: this thing. If the world ends, just be wandering alone
Speaker 2: across the wasteland telling everybody about this man's book, I guess.
Speaker 3: Finally, the last thing I'll say is that this reminds
Speaker 3: me of two recent incidents. Had one mass shooting done
Speaker 3: by a Nazi in Denver, Colorado, and he previously wrote
Speaker 3: and made short films depicting the murder that he would
Speaker 3: then do. We also had the Highland Park shooting on
Speaker 3: July fourth a few years back. Who the person who
Speaker 3: did that created a lot of music online in this
Speaker 3: very like I would say the Highland Park music was
Speaker 3: much more in like the Schizowave genre of extremist content.
Speaker 3: I think the stuff, the stuff that Justin Mohan is
Speaker 3: producing is honestly more like the stuff that schizo Wave
Speaker 3: is like parodying, Like Justin Moans was a lot more
Speaker 3: like sincere, less less ironic. Uh, it was, it was,
Speaker 3: it was. It was just like taken at face value,
Speaker 3: these two instances I was reminded of just because of
Speaker 3: how much those acts of violence were predated by artistic
Speaker 3: expressions of the later thing that they would end up doing.
Speaker 3: And in Mohan's case, it's exactly the same. He has
Speaker 3: written about killing family members, He's written about the exact
Speaker 3: way he would be arrested and tracked down writing that
Speaker 3: goes back like four five years. This is there's so
Speaker 3: many people online who have exact who are in this
Speaker 3: same scenario, who are putting out this type of writing.
Speaker 3: No one knows who they are. Mone had like five
Speaker 3: listeners on Spotify. These people are unknown, and every once
Speaker 3: in a while one of them decides that writing about
Speaker 3: it isn't enough and they actually do it in the
Speaker 3: real world. And it's just this, It's just it's this
Speaker 3: interesting trend of these people like almost like hyperstitioning these
Speaker 3: own acts of violence by making art that predates it
Speaker 3: almost in some forms like preparation.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, And we talked about hyperstition as a concept
Speaker 2: a bit in last weeks Behind the Bastards, but it is.
Speaker 2: It is a term for essentially the methods and ways
Speaker 2: by which things that are fictional become real. And it
Speaker 2: can be kind of as esoteric as the idea of
Speaker 2: like preparing the way for a godlike AI by like
Speaker 2: spreading belief and that sort of thing, or it can
Speaker 2: be as direct like as this, as as somebody envisioning
Speaker 2: the acts they're going to carry out in fiction and
Speaker 2: then carrying out those acts for real, like it on
Speaker 2: an individual level, what you're doing when you're doing this
Speaker 2: is you're kind of you are preparing yourself mentally for
Speaker 2: the thing that you're going to do. And when I
Speaker 2: would sort of lecture and talk about what to how
Speaker 2: to know something is like a real threat versus somebody
Speaker 2: saying shit on the internet, because that's obviously that's a
Speaker 2: real problem when we talk about this, there's a huge
Speaker 2: quantity of people saying stuff that could be them presaging
Speaker 2: like an act of violence, and you simply can't go
Speaker 2: after everything. And one of the key things for me
Speaker 2: always is what have they gone and done anything in
Speaker 2: the real world. So, for example, if a guy has
Speaker 2: like been going out and like egging homeless people or
Speaker 2: like lighting their shit on fire, and is also talking
Speaker 2: about murdering homeless people, well that's probably a guy who's
Speaker 2: going to do something right because he's actively going out
Speaker 2: in the real world in taking steps, he's prepping himself.
Speaker 2: And I think this kind of work. When somebody's written
Speaker 2: a whole novel about their murder fantasies, obviously that's not
Speaker 2: a thing you can invest your convict on, but like
Speaker 2: nor should it be. But that is somebody who is
Speaker 2: doing more than bullshitting online. That's somebody who has a
Speaker 2: fixation that they clearly can't get over, and those do
Speaker 2: sometimes lead to violence. And so yeah, I think I
Speaker 2: think it's really valid to look at this as not
Speaker 2: just a couple of incidents that are troubling, but as
Speaker 2: evidence of a troubling trend. Yep, all right, well that
Speaker 2: does a frustrating comment.
Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, Please do not earn your place in
Speaker 3: heaven by sending a trader to hell early. It does
Speaker 3: not see to work out very well.
Speaker 2: No, earn your place in heaven. I don't actually have
Speaker 2: a joke to finish this episode with, Don't Don't commit Murder.
Speaker 4: Bye.
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