1 00:00:01,720 --> 00:00:05,000 Speaker 1: All Zone Media. 2 00:00:05,360 --> 00:00:09,600 Speaker 2: Welcome to It could Happen here, a podcast about things 3 00:00:09,680 --> 00:00:12,640 Speaker 2: falling apart. And you know, folks, season one of this, 4 00:00:12,800 --> 00:00:15,680 Speaker 2: if you listened way back in twenty nineteen, we focused 5 00:00:15,680 --> 00:00:19,680 Speaker 2: a lot on my fears about a massive coming civil 6 00:00:19,760 --> 00:00:22,680 Speaker 2: conflict in the United States, you know, along the lines 7 00:00:22,720 --> 00:00:25,159 Speaker 2: of a civil war, but sort of based around my 8 00:00:25,280 --> 00:00:29,800 Speaker 2: experiences in civil conflicts in Ukraine and Iraq and Syria 9 00:00:30,160 --> 00:00:32,720 Speaker 2: a number of other parts of the world prior to 10 00:00:33,640 --> 00:00:36,800 Speaker 2: twenty twenty. And one of the reasons I'm bringing this 11 00:00:36,920 --> 00:00:39,839 Speaker 2: up right now is because, you know, what I experienced 12 00:00:39,840 --> 00:00:42,640 Speaker 2: with the fighting in Isis in Iraq was kind of 13 00:00:42,800 --> 00:00:47,040 Speaker 2: instrumental in me understanding how conflict looked in the modern era, 14 00:00:47,120 --> 00:00:49,680 Speaker 2: and how the United States was closer to a conflict 15 00:00:49,760 --> 00:00:53,000 Speaker 2: like that than I think a lot of folks would normally, 16 00:00:53,240 --> 00:00:56,000 Speaker 2: especially people who are kind of obsessed with the idea 17 00:00:56,040 --> 00:00:59,200 Speaker 2: of a civil war. As two big armies in gray 18 00:00:59,240 --> 00:01:01,800 Speaker 2: and blue marching at each other, we're willing to kind 19 00:01:01,840 --> 00:01:05,600 Speaker 2: of to contend with. And when I was starting that 20 00:01:05,720 --> 00:01:08,199 Speaker 2: reporting over there, you know, taking my first trips to Iraq, 21 00:01:08,240 --> 00:01:10,319 Speaker 2: one of the first things that I did was watch 22 00:01:10,480 --> 00:01:13,720 Speaker 2: every Isis beheading video and some of the Al Qaida 23 00:01:13,800 --> 00:01:16,400 Speaker 2: in Iraq beheading videos prior to that, not as a 24 00:01:16,480 --> 00:01:19,319 Speaker 2: voyeuristic thing, but because I felt like, if I was 25 00:01:19,360 --> 00:01:22,080 Speaker 2: going to take myself and another person into that situation, 26 00:01:23,040 --> 00:01:25,920 Speaker 2: the responsible thing to do was make myself very informed 27 00:01:26,000 --> 00:01:28,039 Speaker 2: of what the stakes were. And I'm bringing this all 28 00:01:28,120 --> 00:01:30,600 Speaker 2: up not because we're talking about the Middle East today, 29 00:01:30,720 --> 00:01:34,240 Speaker 2: because we are talking about a beheading video, probably the 30 00:01:34,280 --> 00:01:39,480 Speaker 2: first beheading video directly tied to the US culture war 31 00:01:39,959 --> 00:01:42,880 Speaker 2: that I can name. And I'm going to throw to 32 00:01:42,920 --> 00:01:45,760 Speaker 2: Garrison Davis now. 33 00:01:45,000 --> 00:01:48,040 Speaker 3: All right, So last week, I believe most of this 34 00:01:48,080 --> 00:01:51,360 Speaker 3: went down. On January thirtieth, a thirty two year old 35 00:01:51,400 --> 00:01:55,400 Speaker 3: man named Justin Mohan shot his father in the head 36 00:01:55,560 --> 00:01:58,400 Speaker 3: with a handgun he bought the day previously, and then 37 00:01:58,520 --> 00:02:02,480 Speaker 3: used a kitchen knife and machete to allegedly again this 38 00:02:02,560 --> 00:02:07,880 Speaker 3: is all a quote unquote, allegedly allegedly yes to, allegedly. 39 00:02:08,240 --> 00:02:11,560 Speaker 2: Alleged by him in the video that he recorded, Yes, 40 00:02:12,560 --> 00:02:14,720 Speaker 2: cut off his father's head in a bathtub. 41 00:02:15,000 --> 00:02:17,560 Speaker 3: He put it in a pot and then recorded a 42 00:02:17,639 --> 00:02:20,560 Speaker 3: video which he posted publicly onto YouTube. It was about 43 00:02:21,320 --> 00:02:25,560 Speaker 3: fifteen minutes long, titled Moan's militia called to Arms for 44 00:02:25,720 --> 00:02:29,120 Speaker 3: American Patriots, where he ranted about a number of things 45 00:02:29,120 --> 00:02:32,960 Speaker 3: and mostly called for the killing of federal employees. He fled. 46 00:02:34,040 --> 00:02:37,120 Speaker 3: I think he went a slightly upstate towards a National 47 00:02:37,160 --> 00:02:40,160 Speaker 3: Guard training camp and then was arrested a few hours 48 00:02:40,240 --> 00:02:45,240 Speaker 3: later after his mother found the severed head and body 49 00:02:45,400 --> 00:02:47,840 Speaker 3: of her husband in the house that they all lived 50 00:02:47,840 --> 00:02:52,720 Speaker 3: in together. This is one of the most bizarre acts 51 00:02:52,800 --> 00:02:56,160 Speaker 3: of extremist violence that I've come across in terms of 52 00:02:56,200 --> 00:02:58,880 Speaker 3: like the amount of research I've done to this, and 53 00:02:58,960 --> 00:03:04,000 Speaker 3: I think it kind of points at a this trend 54 00:03:04,440 --> 00:03:08,160 Speaker 3: of extremist acts of violence done by people who have 55 00:03:08,240 --> 00:03:10,520 Speaker 3: a lot of content on the Internet, not just like 56 00:03:10,720 --> 00:03:14,880 Speaker 3: posting manifestos, but like are positioning themselves as some form 57 00:03:14,880 --> 00:03:18,280 Speaker 3: of like alternative content creator. This guy had a lot 58 00:03:18,280 --> 00:03:20,960 Speaker 3: of music, had a lot of self published books. In 59 00:03:21,000 --> 00:03:24,480 Speaker 3: lieu of leaving like a complete single manifesto, we get 60 00:03:24,480 --> 00:03:30,119 Speaker 3: these just years of writing and like artistic creations that 61 00:03:30,440 --> 00:03:33,840 Speaker 3: now live on archive dot org as kind of ghosts 62 00:03:33,840 --> 00:03:34,840 Speaker 3: of this guy's presence. 63 00:03:35,120 --> 00:03:38,400 Speaker 2: And I think what's interesting about that is that shift 64 00:03:39,160 --> 00:03:41,680 Speaker 2: between and I think the christ Church shooter is probably 65 00:03:41,720 --> 00:03:45,840 Speaker 2: like the KT boundary of this particular evolutionary shift from 66 00:03:45,920 --> 00:03:49,040 Speaker 2: like the norm would be that you would produce a 67 00:03:49,040 --> 00:03:52,840 Speaker 2: specific manifesto as an act, like a political act, as 68 00:03:52,920 --> 00:03:55,400 Speaker 2: part of whatever of active violence you carried on. The 69 00:03:55,400 --> 00:03:58,440 Speaker 2: goal was both to inspire other people to act and to, 70 00:03:58,840 --> 00:04:01,880 Speaker 2: you know, partly just to frame yourself as something besides 71 00:04:01,920 --> 00:04:05,560 Speaker 2: alone maniac. And I think one of the things that's 72 00:04:05,600 --> 00:04:09,600 Speaker 2: really interesting about this shift to an increasing number of 73 00:04:09,600 --> 00:04:13,560 Speaker 2: these people representing what they're doing in fiction in some 74 00:04:13,720 --> 00:04:16,479 Speaker 2: way or in some other kind of creative endeavor is 75 00:04:16,520 --> 00:04:19,760 Speaker 2: that it sort of mirrors the idea that like, in 76 00:04:19,800 --> 00:04:22,680 Speaker 2: our culture, the thing that people most want to be 77 00:04:22,839 --> 00:04:25,599 Speaker 2: is some sort of like influencer content creator, Like that's 78 00:04:25,640 --> 00:04:28,479 Speaker 2: the top desired job among like a lot of gen 79 00:04:28,600 --> 00:04:32,320 Speaker 2: Z kids. And it's also just increasingly like the thing 80 00:04:32,480 --> 00:04:36,840 Speaker 2: that people creatively want to see themselves as. And so like, 81 00:04:37,240 --> 00:04:41,360 Speaker 2: I think this fits into this trend of violence that 82 00:04:41,480 --> 00:04:45,400 Speaker 2: is that is foreshadowed by someone, not by a work 83 00:04:45,440 --> 00:04:48,760 Speaker 2: of like political thought, you know, which you may not 84 00:04:48,800 --> 00:04:50,520 Speaker 2: want to think of a manifesto as that, but that 85 00:04:50,640 --> 00:04:53,680 Speaker 2: is what it is, but is preceded instead by art. 86 00:04:54,680 --> 00:04:57,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, So I think I'll talk about a few kind 87 00:04:57,960 --> 00:05:01,640 Speaker 3: of semi similar or at least other cases that have 88 00:05:01,720 --> 00:05:04,920 Speaker 3: some curious linkages. Probably close to the end of the episode, 89 00:05:04,960 --> 00:05:08,839 Speaker 3: but I have some writing here prepared about about the 90 00:05:08,839 --> 00:05:12,680 Speaker 3: beheading video itself, and then a few other kind of 91 00:05:13,240 --> 00:05:16,040 Speaker 3: random stuff about the art that he's made, and Robert 92 00:05:16,040 --> 00:05:19,720 Speaker 3: will probably fill in some useful gaps because Robert acquired 93 00:05:20,200 --> 00:05:24,160 Speaker 3: a very special piece of literature recently. 94 00:05:24,839 --> 00:05:27,640 Speaker 2: So the night that this went down, as soon as 95 00:05:27,640 --> 00:05:29,960 Speaker 2: I found out this guy had written not just a book, 96 00:05:30,000 --> 00:05:32,599 Speaker 2: but multiple books, I was like, well, I kind of 97 00:05:32,600 --> 00:05:35,280 Speaker 2: want to read these, and I know they're going to 98 00:05:35,320 --> 00:05:38,640 Speaker 2: get pulled by tomorrow and Amazon will probably Amazon can 99 00:05:38,760 --> 00:05:41,279 Speaker 2: just take back the kindle books that you buy from them. 100 00:05:41,680 --> 00:05:44,039 Speaker 2: So I ordered a hard copy of the book that 101 00:05:44,160 --> 00:05:47,599 Speaker 2: seemed like the most meaningful to him. It's called The 102 00:05:47,640 --> 00:05:51,480 Speaker 2: Second Messiah, King of Earth by Justin Mohan. It is 103 00:05:52,160 --> 00:05:56,520 Speaker 2: distressingly thick, like four hundred and fifty pages or so. 104 00:05:56,960 --> 00:06:00,560 Speaker 2: It is so much book, and the weird thing about it, 105 00:06:00,560 --> 00:06:02,880 Speaker 2: I've read through a chunk of it and we will 106 00:06:02,920 --> 00:06:06,080 Speaker 2: be getting to some of it. It's not badly written, 107 00:06:06,200 --> 00:06:07,520 Speaker 2: and I want to be clear, I'm not saying that 108 00:06:07,560 --> 00:06:10,520 Speaker 2: like he's a good writer in the commercial sense, or 109 00:06:10,560 --> 00:06:12,920 Speaker 2: that he's a good writer in that like he's a 110 00:06:12,960 --> 00:06:16,120 Speaker 2: skilled artist. I'm saying that, like it's clear writing. You're 111 00:06:16,120 --> 00:06:18,680 Speaker 2: always sure what he's trying to say. When he depicts 112 00:06:18,680 --> 00:06:22,320 Speaker 2: the vinces happening. Those events are crazy, but like he's 113 00:06:22,360 --> 00:06:27,280 Speaker 2: they're clearly depicted, which is interesting to me. And yeah, 114 00:06:27,320 --> 00:06:29,600 Speaker 2: we will be hearing about more of that in part too. 115 00:06:29,640 --> 00:06:32,719 Speaker 2: But I have learned a decent amount about him from 116 00:06:32,800 --> 00:06:35,080 Speaker 2: this book, The Second Messiah, King of Earth. 117 00:06:35,520 --> 00:06:39,600 Speaker 3: So let's get into that fifteen minute video. He starts 118 00:06:39,960 --> 00:06:42,880 Speaker 3: by holding up what is alleged to be his father's 119 00:06:42,880 --> 00:06:45,240 Speaker 3: head inside a plastic bag. He holds it up for 120 00:06:45,279 --> 00:06:50,480 Speaker 3: a few seconds and then starts talking. Now, my initial 121 00:06:50,480 --> 00:06:54,880 Speaker 3: reaction to this video is just how unremarkable most of 122 00:06:54,920 --> 00:06:58,960 Speaker 3: this rant is. There's like calling for killing federal employees, 123 00:06:59,000 --> 00:07:02,839 Speaker 3: which is like the one thing people do that. But 124 00:07:03,080 --> 00:07:05,560 Speaker 3: also you can hear so many of the sentiments that 125 00:07:05,600 --> 00:07:08,560 Speaker 3: he talks about from Fox News contributors, from popular right 126 00:07:08,600 --> 00:07:12,480 Speaker 3: wing podcast hosts, and even sitting politicians. They also talk 127 00:07:12,520 --> 00:07:15,720 Speaker 3: about how quote America is rotting from the inside out, 128 00:07:15,760 --> 00:07:19,480 Speaker 3: as far left woke mobs rampage are once prosperous cities, 129 00:07:19,720 --> 00:07:24,160 Speaker 3: turning them into lawless zones. Unquote. Yeah, use that term 130 00:07:24,160 --> 00:07:27,920 Speaker 3: a lot. Lawless zones. That's a key term. Probably comes 131 00:07:28,000 --> 00:07:30,480 Speaker 3: up like about ten times across this whole video. 132 00:07:31,160 --> 00:07:33,360 Speaker 2: And I want to I think we need to start 133 00:07:33,440 --> 00:07:35,720 Speaker 2: before we get further into this with the elephant in 134 00:07:35,720 --> 00:07:38,240 Speaker 2: the room, which is like a lot and what a 135 00:07:38,240 --> 00:07:39,600 Speaker 2: lot of people have said about this guy, Well, this 136 00:07:40,080 --> 00:07:43,640 Speaker 2: man was mentally ill, and that is absolutely the case. Yeah, 137 00:07:44,160 --> 00:07:46,600 Speaker 2: I add the disclaimer whenever we talk about mental illness 138 00:07:46,600 --> 00:07:49,960 Speaker 2: and mass shootings, people who are mentally ill, people who 139 00:07:50,000 --> 00:07:52,520 Speaker 2: are schizophrenic are not more likely to do this kind 140 00:07:52,520 --> 00:07:56,480 Speaker 2: of violence than anybody else. But that said, when they 141 00:07:56,520 --> 00:08:00,920 Speaker 2: do it, they're also not necessarily less responsible. And what 142 00:08:00,960 --> 00:08:03,840 Speaker 2: I mean by that is a person can be mentally 143 00:08:03,880 --> 00:08:06,480 Speaker 2: ill and engage in a shooting and that doesn't mean 144 00:08:06,520 --> 00:08:09,320 Speaker 2: you shouldn't pay attention to what they are or another 145 00:08:09,400 --> 00:08:12,040 Speaker 2: act of violence. That doesn't mean you don't pay attention 146 00:08:12,080 --> 00:08:14,240 Speaker 2: to why they're saying they did it. The fact that 147 00:08:14,280 --> 00:08:18,760 Speaker 2: this guy is clearly I believe, schizophrenic does not mean 148 00:08:18,800 --> 00:08:22,760 Speaker 2: that his reasons for doing this are immaterial. Because most 149 00:08:22,800 --> 00:08:25,560 Speaker 2: people who have whatever mental illness this guy did have 150 00:08:26,000 --> 00:08:28,200 Speaker 2: do not cut their dad's head off. So the fact 151 00:08:28,240 --> 00:08:31,440 Speaker 2: that he is justifying it with this very boilerplate set 152 00:08:31,480 --> 00:08:35,160 Speaker 2: of right wing culture war grievances is meaningful. And it's 153 00:08:35,240 --> 00:08:39,840 Speaker 2: meaningful because absent that influence in his life, perhaps he 154 00:08:39,960 --> 00:08:42,280 Speaker 2: either doesn't carry out an act of violence or it's 155 00:08:42,280 --> 00:08:45,360 Speaker 2: at least a very different looking one. And so I 156 00:08:45,400 --> 00:08:47,520 Speaker 2: think that is important to just get out to upfront. 157 00:08:47,960 --> 00:08:53,240 Speaker 3: No, he certainly had years of experiencing paranoia, some conspiratorial thinking, 158 00:08:53,600 --> 00:08:57,920 Speaker 3: but specifically the ey are directed towards his own conception 159 00:08:58,080 --> 00:09:00,760 Speaker 3: of the federal government and how it is leading to 160 00:09:00,880 --> 00:09:03,400 Speaker 3: society decay. Is what sparked this act of violence and 161 00:09:03,520 --> 00:09:07,440 Speaker 3: is why he called for copycat killings. So yes, inside 162 00:09:07,480 --> 00:09:10,880 Speaker 3: this rant, Justin Mohan talks about taxes, inflation, and an 163 00:09:10,880 --> 00:09:14,200 Speaker 3: economy that no longer serves American citizens. He mentions how 164 00:09:14,200 --> 00:09:17,000 Speaker 3: the traitorous Biden regime is sending over American troops to 165 00:09:17,000 --> 00:09:19,679 Speaker 3: fight in a doomed war in the Russian winter, leaving 166 00:09:19,720 --> 00:09:23,640 Speaker 3: America defenseless against a quote fifth column army of illegal 167 00:09:23,640 --> 00:09:27,439 Speaker 3: immigrants invading our southern border to strike Americans on our 168 00:09:27,480 --> 00:09:30,600 Speaker 3: own soil unquote. That's another term he uses a lot 169 00:09:30,679 --> 00:09:34,040 Speaker 3: Fifth Column. Yeah, says it like four or five times. 170 00:09:34,040 --> 00:09:36,079 Speaker 3: And that's a very old term. That's a term that 171 00:09:36,080 --> 00:09:38,760 Speaker 3: you would hear in a lot of John Birch materially 172 00:09:38,880 --> 00:09:41,160 Speaker 3: from the middle of the last century, you know. 173 00:09:42,160 --> 00:09:42,240 Speaker 2: So. 174 00:09:42,480 --> 00:09:45,960 Speaker 3: Moan identified himself as quote the commander of America's National 175 00:09:45,960 --> 00:09:50,440 Speaker 3: Network of Militias, also known as Moan's Militia, which seems 176 00:09:50,440 --> 00:09:54,160 Speaker 3: to be mostly a delusion. He had no known connections 177 00:09:54,200 --> 00:09:57,520 Speaker 3: to actual militias in his state or any other states. 178 00:09:57,640 --> 00:09:59,360 Speaker 3: This seemed to be an idea that he got into 179 00:09:59,400 --> 00:10:02,120 Speaker 3: his own head. He then ordered all quote militias and 180 00:10:02,160 --> 00:10:05,840 Speaker 3: patriots across the country to quote hunt down and murder 181 00:10:05,920 --> 00:10:11,240 Speaker 3: every federal employee on site, and to seize all courthouses, FBI, 182 00:10:11,400 --> 00:10:14,560 Speaker 3: i rs, and federal law enforcement offices. To kill and 183 00:10:14,720 --> 00:10:18,400 Speaker 3: capture all border patrol, US marshals, federal agents, and judges, 184 00:10:18,679 --> 00:10:22,280 Speaker 3: and quote torture them for information, and publicly execute them 185 00:10:22,280 --> 00:10:27,160 Speaker 3: for betraying the country. Unquote. He had this, really, he 186 00:10:27,160 --> 00:10:29,680 Speaker 3: had this line that stuck out to me. I didn't copy. 187 00:10:29,720 --> 00:10:31,120 Speaker 3: This is a long video. I did not copy every 188 00:10:31,120 --> 00:10:34,120 Speaker 3: single thing he said. He also, this is one line 189 00:10:34,160 --> 00:10:37,440 Speaker 3: he included earn your place in heaven by sending a 190 00:10:37,520 --> 00:10:43,160 Speaker 3: traitor to hell early with just the cold, like, very 191 00:10:43,200 --> 00:10:45,680 Speaker 3: like emotionless way. He said, that kind of stuck with me. 192 00:10:46,360 --> 00:10:51,319 Speaker 2: Yes, and that is not a belief that you have 193 00:10:51,400 --> 00:10:54,760 Speaker 2: to go to a guy experiencing mental health crisis to find. 194 00:10:54,960 --> 00:10:58,560 Speaker 2: You can hear shades of this all over fucking Twitter, 195 00:10:58,840 --> 00:10:59,880 Speaker 2: among other places. 196 00:11:00,520 --> 00:11:03,520 Speaker 3: You can hear this if you listen to certain right 197 00:11:03,559 --> 00:11:07,240 Speaker 3: wingers give public comment like yeah, in your local city 198 00:11:07,240 --> 00:11:12,960 Speaker 3: council like it's not so. Moan asked that police, veterans, 199 00:11:12,960 --> 00:11:15,559 Speaker 3: and National Guard join the fight, or else cities like 200 00:11:15,600 --> 00:11:19,439 Speaker 3: Philadelphia will turn into lawless zones like Portland and San Francisco. 201 00:11:19,760 --> 00:11:22,160 Speaker 3: He also asked local militias to be his own personal 202 00:11:22,240 --> 00:11:25,120 Speaker 3: security force so that federal employees do not try to 203 00:11:25,200 --> 00:11:26,000 Speaker 3: arrest him. 204 00:11:26,559 --> 00:11:27,280 Speaker 4: Yeah. 205 00:11:27,760 --> 00:11:31,080 Speaker 3: He said that state governments should be left alone unless 206 00:11:31,080 --> 00:11:34,880 Speaker 3: they intervene in his revolution, quote the federal government is 207 00:11:34,920 --> 00:11:38,760 Speaker 3: the enemy. Then Mohn declared that quote Joe Biden is 208 00:11:38,800 --> 00:11:41,200 Speaker 3: no longer in power. I am now officially the acting 209 00:11:41,240 --> 00:11:45,520 Speaker 3: president under martial law unquote. He ordered military generals to 210 00:11:45,520 --> 00:11:48,800 Speaker 3: not deploy US troops against US militias and instead join 211 00:11:48,840 --> 00:11:50,679 Speaker 3: their fight to defend the constitution. 212 00:11:51,240 --> 00:11:53,520 Speaker 2: It would be fun if the constitution worked that way, 213 00:11:53,600 --> 00:11:56,120 Speaker 2: if like they'd put that in back in seventeen eighty seven, 214 00:11:56,400 --> 00:11:58,719 Speaker 2: like oh yeah, and if you know, if martial law 215 00:11:58,800 --> 00:12:01,559 Speaker 2: is declared. He's not around yet, but there's going to 216 00:12:01,600 --> 00:12:05,800 Speaker 2: be this guy just in Mode. He's a charge. 217 00:12:06,440 --> 00:12:10,200 Speaker 3: So this is one thing that I'm still slightly confused on. Well, 218 00:12:10,600 --> 00:12:14,199 Speaker 3: there's a few things that are obviously confusing. It seems confusing. 219 00:12:14,720 --> 00:12:18,319 Speaker 3: But Mode offered a one million dollar bounty on a 220 00:12:18,400 --> 00:12:21,560 Speaker 3: number of high level federal US employees, and one hundred 221 00:12:21,600 --> 00:12:24,760 Speaker 3: thousand dollars for every federal judge and even docksed one 222 00:12:24,960 --> 00:12:29,000 Speaker 3: in Pennsylvania. He claimed to currently have ten million dollars 223 00:12:29,240 --> 00:12:34,600 Speaker 3: to exhaust on these bounties. And that is not that's 224 00:12:34,679 --> 00:12:35,480 Speaker 3: just not true. 225 00:12:36,000 --> 00:12:37,320 Speaker 2: Yes, definitely not. 226 00:12:37,720 --> 00:12:40,560 Speaker 3: Man constantly complains about how he's in a poor financial 227 00:12:40,600 --> 00:12:43,480 Speaker 3: situation as a result of a number of factors. He 228 00:12:43,520 --> 00:12:47,400 Speaker 3: does not have ten million dollars. Now, he ordered all 229 00:12:47,440 --> 00:12:50,720 Speaker 3: non military federal employees to resign before ending up like 230 00:12:50,800 --> 00:12:53,640 Speaker 3: his father. Now, his father was an employee at the 231 00:12:53,760 --> 00:12:57,240 Speaker 3: US Army Corps of Engineers for most twenty years. He resigned. 232 00:12:57,760 --> 00:12:59,760 Speaker 3: I think like last year or a few years back. 233 00:13:00,240 --> 00:13:04,840 Speaker 3: It's interesting he called for specifically non military federal employees 234 00:13:04,880 --> 00:13:07,680 Speaker 3: to resign. He was very pro military. I'm not sure 235 00:13:07,720 --> 00:13:10,559 Speaker 3: if his father working for the US Army Corps engineers 236 00:13:12,120 --> 00:13:17,160 Speaker 3: that fits in to his ideology here. But we're not 237 00:13:17,240 --> 00:13:18,559 Speaker 3: laying out a clear line of thinking. 238 00:13:18,559 --> 00:13:22,120 Speaker 2: Obviously it is. This is just slightly off topic. But 239 00:13:22,160 --> 00:13:26,920 Speaker 2: it's never not fascinating to me how strong the feeling 240 00:13:27,160 --> 00:13:31,400 Speaker 2: of emotional attachment to the US military is. Like that 241 00:13:31,480 --> 00:13:33,960 Speaker 2: even this guy would be like, this guy who was 242 00:13:33,960 --> 00:13:36,640 Speaker 2: so clearly deranged and violent about this kind of thing 243 00:13:36,640 --> 00:13:39,240 Speaker 2: would be like but they're the exception. Like, there's obviously 244 00:13:39,280 --> 00:13:42,640 Speaker 2: still basically good. It's just interesting to me. What else 245 00:13:42,720 --> 00:13:45,959 Speaker 2: is interesting to me, Garrison, is where our money comes from. 246 00:13:46,000 --> 00:13:47,760 Speaker 2: And you know where our money comes from. 247 00:13:48,640 --> 00:13:49,600 Speaker 3: The Federal Reserve. 248 00:13:50,280 --> 00:13:55,000 Speaker 2: Yes, actually we are sponsored entirely, entirely by the Federal Reserve. 249 00:13:55,160 --> 00:13:58,520 Speaker 2: So please, I mean literally, anything you do will I 250 00:13:58,559 --> 00:14:13,880 Speaker 2: guess help the Federal Reserve. So go exist in capitalism, 251 00:14:13,920 --> 00:14:15,199 Speaker 2: and we're back. 252 00:14:16,480 --> 00:14:20,960 Speaker 3: Speaking of another federal agency. One agency that Moan addressed 253 00:14:20,960 --> 00:14:24,480 Speaker 3: directly was calling for the Postal Service to suspend all 254 00:14:24,520 --> 00:14:27,240 Speaker 3: services split from the federal government. Or else he will 255 00:14:27,240 --> 00:14:31,520 Speaker 3: not be able to offer protection. And Jesus Christ, no, 256 00:14:31,600 --> 00:14:36,280 Speaker 3: that's negotiating with the postal service. That's very funny. I 257 00:14:36,280 --> 00:14:38,280 Speaker 3: mean this is serious, but that is kind of funny. 258 00:14:38,400 --> 00:14:43,200 Speaker 3: This guy isn't a Nazi. He's a Nazi. He's an extremist. 259 00:14:43,280 --> 00:14:45,400 Speaker 3: He is a he is a conservative extremist. 260 00:14:45,960 --> 00:14:49,040 Speaker 2: He does repeatedly in his book, by the way, also 261 00:14:49,160 --> 00:14:53,280 Speaker 2: talk about like racism being bad like that is like 262 00:14:53,480 --> 00:14:56,600 Speaker 2: very much a consistent through line. 263 00:14:57,560 --> 00:15:00,480 Speaker 3: But some of this like kill your local post type 264 00:15:00,480 --> 00:15:04,920 Speaker 3: stuff certainly reflects a strain of extremist, neo Nazi thinking, 265 00:15:05,680 --> 00:15:08,760 Speaker 3: that particularly James Mason's stuff from the eighties. 266 00:15:09,800 --> 00:15:11,480 Speaker 2: Yes, so he. 267 00:15:11,440 --> 00:15:14,240 Speaker 3: Also said, quote, if the media spreads lives with this revolution, 268 00:15:14,360 --> 00:15:18,320 Speaker 3: I authorize the targeting of news stations, their owners and employees. 269 00:15:19,080 --> 00:15:23,920 Speaker 3: General kind of conservative, anti anti news, anti journalist rhetoric. 270 00:15:24,680 --> 00:15:25,160 Speaker 2: Quote. 271 00:15:25,560 --> 00:15:29,400 Speaker 3: The hunting, capturing, and killing of America's federal employees will 272 00:15:29,400 --> 00:15:32,960 Speaker 3: not stop until americans demands are met and the network 273 00:15:33,000 --> 00:15:36,520 Speaker 3: of America's traders is wiped out. Unquote. Now, some of 274 00:15:36,520 --> 00:15:39,720 Speaker 3: these demands that he called for includes closing the borders, 275 00:15:39,840 --> 00:15:42,280 Speaker 3: a mass deportation of immigrants that have entered under the 276 00:15:42,320 --> 00:15:46,440 Speaker 3: Biden regime, ceasing all human trafficking of children and sex slaves, 277 00:15:46,440 --> 00:15:51,160 Speaker 3: which is obviously already illegal, canceling all public debt, an 278 00:15:51,280 --> 00:15:55,440 Speaker 3: end to the Federal Reserve, restore Congress's right to print 279 00:15:55,560 --> 00:16:02,000 Speaker 3: interest free money, and I'm ceasing all of the quote 280 00:16:02,160 --> 00:16:06,800 Speaker 3: woke and gender ideology propaganda in the schools unquote. So 281 00:16:06,920 --> 00:16:09,640 Speaker 3: we have a weird mix of like very like libertarian 282 00:16:09,640 --> 00:16:12,640 Speaker 3: stuff like the Federal Reserve, interest free money, and then 283 00:16:12,720 --> 00:16:15,840 Speaker 3: other more popular conservative stuff around like the border, and 284 00:16:15,840 --> 00:16:18,320 Speaker 3: then this thing about woke and gender ideology. 285 00:16:19,240 --> 00:16:22,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, there's even a little like Nessarrah Jesra stuff in 286 00:16:22,560 --> 00:16:25,400 Speaker 2: there too, about like the whole like allow the government 287 00:16:25,480 --> 00:16:28,320 Speaker 2: to print interest free money again, Like that's that's it's 288 00:16:28,360 --> 00:16:30,280 Speaker 2: interesting that that's mixed in tomato as well. 289 00:16:30,360 --> 00:16:33,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you know, it's a it's a curious collection 290 00:16:33,800 --> 00:16:38,280 Speaker 3: of political thought. Now, traders to the country included not 291 00:16:38,360 --> 00:16:41,720 Speaker 3: just federal employees, but also quote bribed members of the 292 00:16:41,760 --> 00:16:45,520 Speaker 3: deep state, labor racketeers of the prison industrial complex, and 293 00:16:45,720 --> 00:16:50,160 Speaker 3: globalist leaders of assorted industries unquote. Now there's there's a 294 00:16:50,240 --> 00:16:52,880 Speaker 3: lot to unpacked there. Bribe members of the deep state. 295 00:16:52,920 --> 00:16:56,520 Speaker 3: I think it doesn't need any explanation. But Moone had 296 00:16:56,520 --> 00:17:01,160 Speaker 3: this idea that labor unions were working with with corporations 297 00:17:01,480 --> 00:17:06,719 Speaker 3: to make straight white males have a hard time to 298 00:17:06,800 --> 00:17:09,159 Speaker 3: find jobs, so they would so that they would always 299 00:17:09,359 --> 00:17:13,960 Speaker 3: be unemployed. And unemployment leads to people being arrested and 300 00:17:14,040 --> 00:17:16,760 Speaker 3: sent to prison as a way to fund the court system. 301 00:17:16,960 --> 00:17:19,439 Speaker 3: So this is what he means by labor racketeers of 302 00:17:19,480 --> 00:17:23,040 Speaker 3: the prison industrial complex. It's that labor unions are colluding 303 00:17:23,240 --> 00:17:26,080 Speaker 3: with the government and businesses to keep certain sects of 304 00:17:26,080 --> 00:17:30,000 Speaker 3: the population unemployed to fill up prisons. Now, in terms 305 00:17:30,000 --> 00:17:32,880 Speaker 3: of globalist leaders of a sort of industries, he specifically 306 00:17:32,960 --> 00:17:35,800 Speaker 3: was talking about big tech companies that commit tax evation. 307 00:17:36,200 --> 00:17:37,919 Speaker 3: He claimed that he used to work for Microsoft and 308 00:17:37,960 --> 00:17:41,600 Speaker 3: witnessed massive tax evation. I have not looked into that. 309 00:17:42,080 --> 00:17:43,360 Speaker 3: I do not believe he. 310 00:17:43,240 --> 00:17:47,000 Speaker 2: Worked to definitely do, Yet they all do. It's not 311 00:17:47,080 --> 00:17:49,119 Speaker 2: I don't think they break the law because they have 312 00:17:49,119 --> 00:17:51,040 Speaker 2: whole departments of people who are there to make sure 313 00:17:51,080 --> 00:17:53,439 Speaker 2: that at least they're not breaking the law enough that 314 00:17:53,480 --> 00:17:55,800 Speaker 2: it will matter. But like whatever I mean again, some 315 00:17:55,840 --> 00:17:58,400 Speaker 2: of this does. Some of all grievances like this come 316 00:17:58,440 --> 00:18:02,880 Speaker 2: from real things like corporations like Microsoft that are tremendously 317 00:18:02,920 --> 00:18:06,760 Speaker 2: wealthy do not pay their fair share, and in fact 318 00:18:06,880 --> 00:18:09,440 Speaker 2: do a great deal to allid their tax burden. He's 319 00:18:09,560 --> 00:18:14,240 Speaker 2: just like, Yeah, It's one of the frustrating things about 320 00:18:14,240 --> 00:18:18,600 Speaker 2: this is how all of this actual malfeasance feeds into 321 00:18:18,920 --> 00:18:22,280 Speaker 2: these delusions and feeds into the conspiratorial narratives of the 322 00:18:22,280 --> 00:18:25,679 Speaker 2: people that take advantage of people like justin Yep. 323 00:18:26,400 --> 00:18:29,119 Speaker 3: He said that martial law will continue as long as 324 00:18:29,200 --> 00:18:32,480 Speaker 3: Americans support him and until America is secured enough to 325 00:18:32,520 --> 00:18:35,919 Speaker 3: hold a legitimate election, and that Moan would authorize police 326 00:18:35,960 --> 00:18:38,640 Speaker 3: a military to use any force necessary to take back 327 00:18:38,680 --> 00:18:42,640 Speaker 3: America's city is from quote fifth column extremist organizations such 328 00:18:42,680 --> 00:18:47,200 Speaker 3: as the LGBT community, the BLM movement, and terrorist organizations 329 00:18:47,240 --> 00:18:50,840 Speaker 3: like Antifa unquote. This is where he went on a 330 00:18:50,880 --> 00:18:54,520 Speaker 3: whole Antifa rant, saying Antifa is a part of the 331 00:18:54,560 --> 00:18:58,760 Speaker 3: federal government's systematic, top down, globalist and communists takeover of America. 332 00:18:59,400 --> 00:19:02,480 Speaker 3: Moan stress the importance of capturing alive quote one of 333 00:19:02,520 --> 00:19:05,560 Speaker 3: the key players involved in this treason, or else they 334 00:19:05,560 --> 00:19:07,919 Speaker 3: will never be able to discover the entire network of 335 00:19:07,920 --> 00:19:13,760 Speaker 3: evil unquote. So Moane blamed Antifa, BLM and the LGBTQ 336 00:19:13,880 --> 00:19:17,600 Speaker 3: community for stoking a division to create a race war 337 00:19:17,680 --> 00:19:22,760 Speaker 3: and religious war. It's it's just it's it's it's it's 338 00:19:22,800 --> 00:19:25,720 Speaker 3: hard to hold to hold the justification of your You're 339 00:19:25,720 --> 00:19:28,639 Speaker 3: accusing people of stoking division as you're holding up the 340 00:19:28,640 --> 00:19:31,119 Speaker 3: severed head of your father. Like, there's just that a 341 00:19:31,200 --> 00:19:36,399 Speaker 3: complete disconnect here. Quote. The government has disallowed any peaceful solution. 342 00:19:36,920 --> 00:19:39,800 Speaker 3: Violence is the only solution to the federal government's treason 343 00:19:39,840 --> 00:19:43,760 Speaker 3: and the actions of their fifth column terrorist organizations like Antifa. 344 00:19:44,240 --> 00:19:46,600 Speaker 3: This is an ideological and spiritual war. 345 00:19:46,800 --> 00:19:50,600 Speaker 2: Unquote Yeah, very similar in some ways to what McVeigh 346 00:19:50,640 --> 00:19:53,080 Speaker 2: was saying, right, Like, this is the only way to 347 00:19:53,119 --> 00:19:56,439 Speaker 2: communicate with the government. It's the only language that they understand. 348 00:19:56,920 --> 00:19:57,760 Speaker 4: Yeah. 349 00:19:57,840 --> 00:19:58,119 Speaker 2: Yeah. 350 00:19:58,160 --> 00:20:01,240 Speaker 3: And then lastly, he kind of closes this video with 351 00:20:01,400 --> 00:20:05,439 Speaker 3: a further look into some of his own political delusions. 352 00:20:05,440 --> 00:20:08,439 Speaker 3: He said that before the twenty twenty elections, electors and 353 00:20:08,520 --> 00:20:13,040 Speaker 3: campaign contributors from both parties said that they saw Justin 354 00:20:13,080 --> 00:20:15,200 Speaker 3: Mohan as the best candidate for the president of America. 355 00:20:15,400 --> 00:20:19,400 Speaker 3: He's thirty two years old. He was like twenty eight 356 00:20:19,760 --> 00:20:22,520 Speaker 3: back in twenty twenty. Quote, I could have been the 357 00:20:22,560 --> 00:20:26,520 Speaker 3: first unanimously elected president, but I was betrayed by the FBI, 358 00:20:26,720 --> 00:20:30,119 Speaker 3: federal courts, and my own family because there are people 359 00:20:30,119 --> 00:20:33,359 Speaker 3: that believe I am the Messiah, which goes against the 360 00:20:33,400 --> 00:20:36,400 Speaker 3: government's satanic communist ideology. 361 00:20:36,560 --> 00:20:39,240 Speaker 2: A quick note, if all of those groups didn't want 362 00:20:39,280 --> 00:20:42,000 Speaker 2: you to be president, how would you have been elected 363 00:20:42,080 --> 00:20:45,440 Speaker 2: unanimously or would the FBI have been like, well, now 364 00:20:45,440 --> 00:20:47,320 Speaker 2: that he's on the ballot, we got to vote for 365 00:20:47,400 --> 00:20:47,760 Speaker 2: the guy. 366 00:20:48,560 --> 00:20:51,240 Speaker 3: So after saying there are many people that believe I 367 00:20:51,280 --> 00:20:53,920 Speaker 3: am the Messiah, he then said, quote, I would never 368 00:20:54,000 --> 00:20:57,760 Speaker 3: compare myself to Jesus Christ unquote, which is not true. 369 00:20:57,840 --> 00:20:59,320 Speaker 3: He has many times. 370 00:20:59,600 --> 00:21:03,639 Speaker 2: Yeah, he sure has, you know, most notably in the 371 00:21:03,640 --> 00:21:06,480 Speaker 2: title of his book, The Second Messiah, King of Earth 372 00:21:06,520 --> 00:21:10,080 Speaker 2: by Justin Mohan. Yeah, although that is about his self. 373 00:21:10,160 --> 00:21:13,159 Speaker 2: Insert character who he says lives a life identical to 374 00:21:13,240 --> 00:21:15,320 Speaker 2: his named Buster moon. 375 00:21:15,400 --> 00:21:18,800 Speaker 3: Buster moon uh huh. And then I will do the 376 00:21:18,920 --> 00:21:21,960 Speaker 3: last little bit about this video. Quote, if there is 377 00:21:21,960 --> 00:21:24,359 Speaker 3: a federal employee in your family, make it your New 378 00:21:24,440 --> 00:21:26,719 Speaker 3: Year's resolution to kill them in order to protect your 379 00:21:26,800 --> 00:21:31,919 Speaker 3: own children unquote. And then Moan followed that by quoting 380 00:21:31,920 --> 00:21:34,879 Speaker 3: from Matthew ten twenty one. This is a verse in 381 00:21:35,000 --> 00:21:38,359 Speaker 3: the New Testament. Brothers and sisters will betray one another 382 00:21:38,440 --> 00:21:41,080 Speaker 3: and have each other put to death. Parents will betray 383 00:21:41,160 --> 00:21:44,240 Speaker 3: their own children, and children will turn against their parents 384 00:21:44,240 --> 00:21:45,920 Speaker 3: and have them killed unquote. 385 00:21:46,400 --> 00:21:49,600 Speaker 2: It's interesting because I've heard that sided before, and usually 386 00:21:49,680 --> 00:21:52,760 Speaker 2: it was in like older conspiracies of the New World Order, 387 00:21:52,800 --> 00:21:56,439 Speaker 2: and like, yeah, that's what they believed the evil anti 388 00:21:56,560 --> 00:21:59,360 Speaker 2: Christ you win regime was going to do to them. 389 00:21:59,640 --> 00:22:02,040 Speaker 2: It's fun to hear someone be like, that's what we 390 00:22:02,160 --> 00:22:04,600 Speaker 2: have to kill the families of the people who are. 391 00:22:04,840 --> 00:22:07,679 Speaker 3: I don't think that's what he's actually saying. He's saying 392 00:22:08,119 --> 00:22:10,920 Speaker 3: like he's talking about how he is felt betrayed by 393 00:22:10,960 --> 00:22:13,800 Speaker 3: his own family and by the government. 394 00:22:14,240 --> 00:22:17,320 Speaker 2: Oh gotcha, Okay, that makes sense. 395 00:22:17,760 --> 00:22:20,040 Speaker 3: This points to like this massive disconnect in his own head. 396 00:22:20,520 --> 00:22:22,800 Speaker 3: This is the betrayal he's talking about. Is he is 397 00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:26,000 Speaker 3: using this verse as a reference to like the end times, 398 00:22:26,320 --> 00:22:29,840 Speaker 3: but he's saying like, this is the betrayal that we're seeing, 399 00:22:30,119 --> 00:22:33,159 Speaker 3: and in response, now we have to do this. So 400 00:22:34,600 --> 00:22:36,560 Speaker 3: on I'm going to quote from ABC News here. So 401 00:22:36,720 --> 00:22:40,040 Speaker 3: the US Martiall Service investigated Moan in August or twenty 402 00:22:40,080 --> 00:22:42,560 Speaker 3: twenty three, after he allegedly made a threat against a 403 00:22:42,640 --> 00:22:46,000 Speaker 3: US district court judge. The case was closed that same month. 404 00:22:46,440 --> 00:22:49,160 Speaker 3: He was reported to police pretty frequently for this bizarre 405 00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:51,919 Speaker 3: behavior in his own neighborhood, like sitting on manhole covers 406 00:22:51,920 --> 00:22:55,160 Speaker 3: and staring at houses for hours on end. Now Moan 407 00:22:55,240 --> 00:22:58,640 Speaker 3: has held conspiratorial and anti government views for at least 408 00:22:58,680 --> 00:23:02,280 Speaker 3: seven years in attempt to recruit people to join his Moans 409 00:23:02,359 --> 00:23:06,400 Speaker 3: militia on Reddit and Discord, though no one seemed to join, 410 00:23:07,160 --> 00:23:10,080 Speaker 3: and then at least one Discord server threw him out 411 00:23:10,119 --> 00:23:13,680 Speaker 3: because of his repeated recruitment attempts. And after fleeing home 412 00:23:14,840 --> 00:23:17,240 Speaker 3: after he posted that video, he drove more than one 413 00:23:17,280 --> 00:23:19,960 Speaker 3: hundred miles north and broke into the Pennsylvania National Guard 414 00:23:19,960 --> 00:23:22,760 Speaker 3: base with a gun and then was arrested after he 415 00:23:22,800 --> 00:23:25,080 Speaker 3: was tracked there on his cell phone. There is a 416 00:23:25,119 --> 00:23:29,720 Speaker 3: song that Justin wrote about three years ago about being 417 00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:33,080 Speaker 3: arrested after being tracked on his cell phone after doing 418 00:23:33,160 --> 00:23:34,240 Speaker 3: violence against his family. 419 00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:36,400 Speaker 2: You think he would have like not had a cell 420 00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:38,239 Speaker 2: phone on him, given that he was aware of that 421 00:23:38,280 --> 00:23:39,240 Speaker 2: as a risk, But. 422 00:23:39,359 --> 00:23:42,120 Speaker 3: I don't know if he was really thinking large like, yeah, 423 00:23:42,160 --> 00:23:44,520 Speaker 3: if you watch the video, like he thinks National Guard 424 00:23:44,600 --> 00:23:48,080 Speaker 3: is going to like join him, Yea, He's not thinking 425 00:23:48,600 --> 00:23:52,720 Speaker 3: about it that way. So yeah, I believe Moan is 426 00:23:52,760 --> 00:23:56,040 Speaker 3: published at this point nine books. I'm going to read 427 00:23:56,040 --> 00:24:01,119 Speaker 3: from his Amazon about page. Justimona is the author of 428 00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:04,320 Speaker 3: seven books now nine, and a musician of three albums 429 00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:07,320 Speaker 3: and one single. His life story is unbelievable and there 430 00:24:07,359 --> 00:24:10,080 Speaker 3: may not be enough words to describe him, but one 431 00:24:10,119 --> 00:24:14,480 Speaker 3: may begin to understand his complexity and experiences through his art. 432 00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:18,040 Speaker 3: He only wishes to bring positive change to the world. 433 00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:21,280 Speaker 3: Now I will I will talk about some of those 434 00:24:21,359 --> 00:24:23,720 Speaker 3: some of those other books after we take a quick 435 00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:26,800 Speaker 3: ad break here and learn about some important messages from 436 00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:27,679 Speaker 3: our sponsors. 437 00:24:28,040 --> 00:24:39,440 Speaker 4: Yeah. 438 00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:44,920 Speaker 3: So justin Mohan's bibliography, here we go. So I think 439 00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:47,320 Speaker 3: Robert has one of his books, The Second Messiah, King 440 00:24:47,359 --> 00:24:50,320 Speaker 3: of Earth. Yeah, there is many other books he's published, 441 00:24:50,320 --> 00:24:53,399 Speaker 3: including a book Startling Number, a book called The Pink, 442 00:24:53,800 --> 00:24:56,879 Speaker 3: a book called Poems I Wrote, Well Stoned, a collection 443 00:24:56,960 --> 00:25:01,920 Speaker 3: of poems They will Burn, this book, The Punishing America's 444 00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:06,760 Speaker 3: Coming Bloody Revolution, The Kingdom of Darkness, Dark Ages of 445 00:25:06,800 --> 00:25:09,879 Speaker 3: the Future, a collection of short stories, and finally, The 446 00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:15,080 Speaker 3: Revolution Leader's Survival Guide, How schools, workplaces, and social norms 447 00:25:15,280 --> 00:25:16,959 Speaker 3: kill the genius inside us. 448 00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:21,480 Speaker 2: All not bad at titling, you know, so pretty pretty effective. 449 00:25:21,560 --> 00:25:22,560 Speaker 2: Good for SEO. 450 00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:24,000 Speaker 4: I'm on board. 451 00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:27,359 Speaker 3: Let's start with that last book here, The Revolution Leader's 452 00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:32,440 Speaker 3: Survival Guide. It targets the quote constraints against education, creativity, 453 00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:36,280 Speaker 3: and human progress throughout history unquote, and the book is 454 00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:40,200 Speaker 3: mostly about Moan's own inability to find a high paying 455 00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:43,879 Speaker 3: enough job after college. This is a reoccurring trend in 456 00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:45,920 Speaker 3: a lot of his books, including I Believe the one 457 00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:50,359 Speaker 3: that Robert has. Moan complains about student loans, how America's 458 00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:53,080 Speaker 3: education system is faulty, and talks about being bullied in 459 00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:56,520 Speaker 3: school as a kid. I'm going to quote from the 460 00:25:56,560 --> 00:25:59,760 Speaker 3: book's description. The author views the world on the brink 461 00:25:59,800 --> 00:26:03,040 Speaker 3: of either a golden age of world peace and space colonization, 462 00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:06,480 Speaker 3: or instead a second dark age of global wars and 463 00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:10,000 Speaker 3: depopulation within the next couple of decades, if not sooner. 464 00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:13,960 Speaker 3: Included within the book is a transcript of a letter 465 00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:16,520 Speaker 3: Justin Mohan wrote to Donald Trump, warning that if America 466 00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:19,960 Speaker 3: does not go under some great changes, Moan himself will 467 00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:23,720 Speaker 3: have to lead a peaceful revolution. In another book titled 468 00:26:23,760 --> 00:26:26,760 Speaker 3: The Kingdom of Darkness, published on May thirteenth, twenty twenty, 469 00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:30,200 Speaker 3: it's a novel about Satan and fallen angels becoming quote 470 00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:34,359 Speaker 3: trapped inside Earth's slowliest creatures after being banished from heaven. 471 00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:37,679 Speaker 3: He has a whole bitch of other like fantasy and 472 00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:43,200 Speaker 3: sci fi type books like Aliens, Space Exploration, a weird 473 00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:45,960 Speaker 3: collection a genre. In a pamphlet he self published on 474 00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:50,160 Speaker 3: Amazon in August of twenty twenty, titled America's Coming Bloody Revolution, 475 00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:55,399 Speaker 3: the small book contains two chapters, one titled Why a 476 00:26:55,680 --> 00:27:00,440 Speaker 3: violent Revolution is Inevitable and a second titled How Revolution 477 00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:04,760 Speaker 3: can be successful. Moan wrote, quote, Americans will have to 478 00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:08,159 Speaker 3: weigh what is worse allowing themselves to lose freedom and 479 00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:13,920 Speaker 3: independence or killing their own family members, teachers, workers, bosses, judges, 480 00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:19,200 Speaker 3: elected leaders, and other older generations unquote. This is where 481 00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:23,879 Speaker 3: we get a lot of like a predictive writing around 482 00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:27,600 Speaker 3: what he's going to be doing. Mohne described older generations 483 00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:30,679 Speaker 3: as quote traders who wished to to take away the 484 00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:34,560 Speaker 3: freedom and independence that comes with America democracy and free 485 00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:40,080 Speaker 3: market capitalism, which leads me then to the book that 486 00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:43,680 Speaker 3: Robert has the Second Messiah, which was published in January 487 00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:46,400 Speaker 3: of twenty twenty. It's about a man named Buster Moon 488 00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:50,399 Speaker 3: who moves from Ohio to Colorado and quote painfully learns 489 00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:54,200 Speaker 3: the dark secret of Colorado from everything containing satanic cults, 490 00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:57,240 Speaker 3: the Democratic Party, and the Cold War. Now we will 491 00:27:57,280 --> 00:27:59,639 Speaker 3: get more into this book, specifically in a later episode. 492 00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:02,680 Speaker 3: I'm going to read a little bit from the back cover. 493 00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:06,119 Speaker 3: The only thing more absurd than this fiction book is 494 00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:08,119 Speaker 3: the fact that it's loosely based on the life of 495 00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:11,159 Speaker 3: author and musician Justin Mohan, whose four years stay in 496 00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:15,000 Speaker 3: Colorado caused multiple lawsuits, changed the possible outcome the twenty 497 00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:19,120 Speaker 3: twenty US presidential election by exposing three presidential candidates as corrupt, 498 00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:22,439 Speaker 3: which forced them to drop out of the race. We 499 00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:26,080 Speaker 3: have more of these presidential delusions that he was talking 500 00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:29,280 Speaker 3: about at the end of his beheading video here, and 501 00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:32,880 Speaker 3: in terms of how this mirrors, like I said, we'll 502 00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:34,720 Speaker 3: learn more about this book later, but I will talk 503 00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:37,760 Speaker 3: now some about his actual personal life, which will then 504 00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:41,720 Speaker 3: become slightly reflected in the book, Like going to Colorado Springs. 505 00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:45,080 Speaker 3: He graduated from Penn State with a business management degree 506 00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:47,880 Speaker 3: and sued the federal government multiple times for letting him 507 00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:49,960 Speaker 3: take out student loans that he was forced to pay back. 508 00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:52,400 Speaker 3: The most recent case was last year, where he sued 509 00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:55,240 Speaker 3: for ten million dollars because despite getting a degree with 510 00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:58,280 Speaker 3: the loans, he was unable to quote find a satisfactory 511 00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:01,640 Speaker 3: job as an over educated way man to repay the loan, 512 00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:05,120 Speaker 3: claiming that he was a victim of affirmative action and 513 00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:09,800 Speaker 3: reverse discrimination. In a previously dismissed lawsuit against the Department 514 00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:14,120 Speaker 3: of Education, he alleged that they neglectfully and fraudulently induced 515 00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:16,440 Speaker 3: him to borrow money to pay for his education without 516 00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:18,480 Speaker 3: sufficiently warning him of the possibility that he would face 517 00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:20,760 Speaker 3: a difficult job market and could be unable to pay 518 00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:25,440 Speaker 3: back his student loan. So Mohan did move to Colorado, 519 00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:28,560 Speaker 3: just like Buster Moon about ten years ago, eventually getting 520 00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:31,560 Speaker 3: a job at Progressive Insurance, but was fired in twenty 521 00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:34,200 Speaker 3: seventeen for kicking down a door and quote breaking the 522 00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:37,560 Speaker 3: company's code of conduct. Mon then sued Progressive in twenty 523 00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:40,320 Speaker 3: nineteen for not receiving promotions because he was a man 524 00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:43,440 Speaker 3: in his Violent Revolution pamphlet, mon claims that he was 525 00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:46,760 Speaker 3: a victim of discrimination from quote being a top performing 526 00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:51,880 Speaker 3: over educated and overqualified male employee unquote, and in that 527 00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:55,280 Speaker 3: same pamphlet, Mohan wrote that his educational, employment and legal 528 00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:58,560 Speaker 3: issues are evident that there is quote no peaceful solution 529 00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:02,080 Speaker 3: for the youth to escape debt based enslavement, unemployment, and 530 00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:06,680 Speaker 3: ultimately imprisonment. He compared his experience to quote the Soviet 531 00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:10,160 Speaker 3: Union's feared goolog prison labor system and in which entire 532 00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:14,240 Speaker 3: states and countries were essentially turned into concentration camps. Moan 533 00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:18,160 Speaker 3: wrote that educators and parents who quote knowingly lie, brainwash, 534 00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:21,520 Speaker 3: and dumb down their youth unquote, must be killed to 535 00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:25,680 Speaker 3: prevent the spread of quote globalized communism and corporate agendas. 536 00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:29,000 Speaker 3: This is where we have an interesting combination of like 537 00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:32,560 Speaker 3: anti communism fears but also anti corporatism that you see 538 00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:35,600 Speaker 3: in some sects of like libertarian conservatism, You sure do. 539 00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:39,240 Speaker 3: He claims that communism is like a virus and that 540 00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:42,560 Speaker 3: America must treat it like a virus. Quote. The only 541 00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:45,360 Speaker 3: logical way to do so is for every American born 542 00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:49,160 Speaker 3: in nineteen ninety one or later to kill anyone born 543 00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:51,840 Speaker 3: before nineteen ninety one unquote. 544 00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:56,720 Speaker 2: Well now he's cooking, okay, okay, yeah, yeah, I'm back 545 00:30:56,760 --> 00:30:58,080 Speaker 2: on board. I'm back on board. 546 00:30:58,120 --> 00:31:01,200 Speaker 5: You know this could work, and said that was the 547 00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:05,200 Speaker 5: year that he was born. Uh huh yeah, yeah, logical 548 00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:07,680 Speaker 5: logical point to divide it on. I'd respected more if 549 00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:10,720 Speaker 5: he'd been born earlier, you know. But so I already 550 00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:14,240 Speaker 5: mentioned some of his music. It had similar predictive elements 551 00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:17,760 Speaker 5: of he was doing art in almost like in practice 552 00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:19,720 Speaker 5: of what he was then going to later do in 553 00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:22,280 Speaker 5: person in terms of carrying and violence, as well as 554 00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:24,960 Speaker 5: just evident of kind of delusional and paranoid thinking. He 555 00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:27,480 Speaker 5: has a song about being gang stocked. He has a 556 00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:30,280 Speaker 5: song about I think like a girlfriend who broke up 557 00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:32,760 Speaker 5: with him. He has songs talking about how it's okay 558 00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:36,600 Speaker 5: to kill communists and how we're overall seeing a decline 559 00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:40,400 Speaker 5: in American society. So that that is most of what 560 00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:42,360 Speaker 5: I have to say about Justinemona. I could certainly say 561 00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:45,680 Speaker 5: a whole lot more now. On top of my research 562 00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:49,239 Speaker 5: onto him himself, I also wanted to look at the 563 00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:52,880 Speaker 5: sort of online chatter that neo Nazis and other extremists 564 00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:58,120 Speaker 5: were saying, and I put together, hey, a large catalog 565 00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:03,000 Speaker 5: of telegram a conversation about Justin moun watching the spread 566 00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:05,640 Speaker 5: of certain conspiracy theories around this incident, and just to 567 00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:08,120 Speaker 5: see what their overall take was, I will I will 568 00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:11,840 Speaker 5: paraphrase my like eighty page research document here by saying, 569 00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:15,680 Speaker 5: it seems most Naziis and other white supremacists or far 570 00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:19,400 Speaker 5: right extremists thought that the Justinmone incident was quote fake 571 00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:26,440 Speaker 5: and gay unquote. 572 00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:26,200 Speaker 2: Okay, they tend to keep up with these these thought fluencers. 573 00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:29,920 Speaker 2: Really glad that they're kidding some of their side. 574 00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:34,640 Speaker 3: Many other far right extremists took this to be a syop. Sure, 575 00:32:35,080 --> 00:32:36,800 Speaker 3: they thought it was an attempt to push forward this 576 00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:39,440 Speaker 3: anti militia bill that's being talked about, as well as 577 00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:42,280 Speaker 3: distract from the crisis at the southern border. Certain white 578 00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:46,560 Speaker 3: spremacists were upset that he used the phrase to Judeo 579 00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:51,600 Speaker 3: Christian values because they are anti Semitic and Justin Mone 580 00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:56,000 Speaker 3: did not seem to be consciously anti Semitic. Yeah, and 581 00:32:56,560 --> 00:32:59,560 Speaker 3: we had we had these conspiracy theories travel everywhere, from 582 00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:03,840 Speaker 3: standard kind of neo Nazi telegram accounts to more conservative 583 00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:07,560 Speaker 3: Boomer Mega type stuff as well, mostly picking up on 584 00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:10,960 Speaker 3: like the on the on the anti militia angle, how 585 00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:13,440 Speaker 3: this is probably a syop from the deep state. To 586 00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:18,720 Speaker 3: push forward this anti militia bill. Some people thought thought 587 00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:21,160 Speaker 3: they were very clever and realizing this was a syop 588 00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:23,640 Speaker 3: because they thought justinmone was thirty three years old. And 589 00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:26,320 Speaker 3: there's this conspiracy theory around the number thirty three in 590 00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:28,680 Speaker 3: a lot of these circles, the conspiracies around how the 591 00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:30,960 Speaker 3: number thirty three is used a lot in like mass 592 00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:33,920 Speaker 3: shooting incidents. Now it's not this is just pattern recognition. 593 00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:37,320 Speaker 3: But also mon isn't thirty three, He's thirty two, So great, 594 00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:40,800 Speaker 3: great work there. And there's specifically one telegram channel that 595 00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:42,800 Speaker 3: found a prop head I believe on. 596 00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:46,760 Speaker 2: Etsy, Yeah, like a prop severed head. 597 00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:50,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, we started seeing this spread all over Twitter, conservative 598 00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:53,000 Speaker 3: news sites. How this has to be fake because look 599 00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:55,320 Speaker 3: we found we found the fake head they used, which 600 00:33:55,360 --> 00:33:58,280 Speaker 3: is quite simply not the severed head that Justin Moone's 601 00:33:58,280 --> 00:34:00,479 Speaker 3: holding up in the video. I don't think really much 602 00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:04,200 Speaker 3: useful else to say about these conspiracy theories, but yeah, 603 00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:06,920 Speaker 3: they certainly were kind of laughing along at some of 604 00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:10,520 Speaker 3: like the Gangstalker e elements, thinking, you know, some people 605 00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:13,640 Speaker 3: obviously thought he was based and cool for actually doing 606 00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:16,080 Speaker 3: some of the ideological things that these Nazis believe in. 607 00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:19,040 Speaker 3: Others thought it was it's just fun to make fun 608 00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:23,320 Speaker 3: of a guy, so they decided it was a syop. Yeah, 609 00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:25,440 Speaker 3: that is most of what I had to say about 610 00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:25,879 Speaker 3: Justin Mohan. 611 00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:31,239 Speaker 2: Well, this has been quite an inspiring journey. We are 612 00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:34,800 Speaker 2: going to have more to say about Justin and finally 613 00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:38,320 Speaker 2: get into his book, The Second Messiah, King of Earth, 614 00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:42,200 Speaker 2: which is in a way become my Bible. I think 615 00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:45,479 Speaker 2: I may I may keep this in my apocalypse go bag, 616 00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:47,200 Speaker 2: so I can do like a book of Eli with 617 00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:50,600 Speaker 2: this thing. If the world ends, just be wandering alone 618 00:34:50,640 --> 00:34:55,640 Speaker 2: across the wasteland telling everybody about this man's book, I guess. 619 00:34:55,680 --> 00:34:58,120 Speaker 3: Finally, the last thing I'll say is that this reminds 620 00:34:58,160 --> 00:35:01,359 Speaker 3: me of two recent incidents. Had one mass shooting done 621 00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:05,440 Speaker 3: by a Nazi in Denver, Colorado, and he previously wrote 622 00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:09,200 Speaker 3: and made short films depicting the murder that he would 623 00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:12,520 Speaker 3: then do. We also had the Highland Park shooting on 624 00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:15,640 Speaker 3: July fourth a few years back. Who the person who 625 00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:18,239 Speaker 3: did that created a lot of music online in this 626 00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:20,759 Speaker 3: very like I would say the Highland Park music was 627 00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:23,520 Speaker 3: much more in like the Schizowave genre of extremist content. 628 00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:25,880 Speaker 3: I think the stuff, the stuff that Justin Mohan is 629 00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:28,919 Speaker 3: producing is honestly more like the stuff that schizo Wave 630 00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:32,439 Speaker 3: is like parodying, Like Justin Moans was a lot more 631 00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:37,960 Speaker 3: like sincere, less less ironic. Uh, it was, it was, 632 00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:40,280 Speaker 3: it was. It was just like taken at face value, 633 00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:43,120 Speaker 3: these two instances I was reminded of just because of 634 00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:47,280 Speaker 3: how much those acts of violence were predated by artistic 635 00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:50,360 Speaker 3: expressions of the later thing that they would end up doing. 636 00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:52,960 Speaker 3: And in Mohan's case, it's exactly the same. He has 637 00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:56,400 Speaker 3: written about killing family members, He's written about the exact 638 00:35:56,400 --> 00:35:58,880 Speaker 3: way he would be arrested and tracked down writing that 639 00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:02,440 Speaker 3: goes back like four five years. This is there's so 640 00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:04,920 Speaker 3: many people online who have exact who are in this 641 00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:07,200 Speaker 3: same scenario, who are putting out this type of writing. 642 00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:09,799 Speaker 3: No one knows who they are. Mone had like five 643 00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:13,319 Speaker 3: listeners on Spotify. These people are unknown, and every once 644 00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:15,479 Speaker 3: in a while one of them decides that writing about 645 00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:17,239 Speaker 3: it isn't enough and they actually do it in the 646 00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:20,080 Speaker 3: real world. And it's just this, It's just it's this 647 00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:25,640 Speaker 3: interesting trend of these people like almost like hyperstitioning these 648 00:36:25,719 --> 00:36:29,520 Speaker 3: own acts of violence by making art that predates it 649 00:36:29,560 --> 00:36:31,400 Speaker 3: almost in some forms like preparation. 650 00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:35,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, And we talked about hyperstition as a concept 651 00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:39,440 Speaker 2: a bit in last weeks Behind the Bastards, but it is. 652 00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:42,920 Speaker 2: It is a term for essentially the methods and ways 653 00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:46,600 Speaker 2: by which things that are fictional become real. And it 654 00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:51,400 Speaker 2: can be kind of as esoteric as the idea of 655 00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:55,880 Speaker 2: like preparing the way for a godlike AI by like 656 00:36:55,960 --> 00:36:58,200 Speaker 2: spreading belief and that sort of thing, or it can 657 00:36:58,239 --> 00:37:02,000 Speaker 2: be as direct like as this, as as somebody envisioning 658 00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:05,040 Speaker 2: the acts they're going to carry out in fiction and 659 00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:09,360 Speaker 2: then carrying out those acts for real, like it on 660 00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:11,960 Speaker 2: an individual level, what you're doing when you're doing this 661 00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:15,520 Speaker 2: is you're kind of you are preparing yourself mentally for 662 00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:17,920 Speaker 2: the thing that you're going to do. And when I 663 00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:21,960 Speaker 2: would sort of lecture and talk about what to how 664 00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:24,920 Speaker 2: to know something is like a real threat versus somebody 665 00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:26,920 Speaker 2: saying shit on the internet, because that's obviously that's a 666 00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:29,800 Speaker 2: real problem when we talk about this, there's a huge 667 00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:34,239 Speaker 2: quantity of people saying stuff that could be them presaging 668 00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:37,640 Speaker 2: like an act of violence, and you simply can't go 669 00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:40,319 Speaker 2: after everything. And one of the key things for me 670 00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:43,719 Speaker 2: always is what have they gone and done anything in 671 00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:46,480 Speaker 2: the real world. So, for example, if a guy has 672 00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:49,560 Speaker 2: like been going out and like egging homeless people or 673 00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:52,680 Speaker 2: like lighting their shit on fire, and is also talking 674 00:37:52,719 --> 00:37:56,479 Speaker 2: about murdering homeless people, well that's probably a guy who's 675 00:37:56,520 --> 00:37:59,520 Speaker 2: going to do something right because he's actively going out 676 00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:02,520 Speaker 2: in the real world in taking steps, he's prepping himself. 677 00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:05,400 Speaker 2: And I think this kind of work. When somebody's written 678 00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:09,040 Speaker 2: a whole novel about their murder fantasies, obviously that's not 679 00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:11,120 Speaker 2: a thing you can invest your convict on, but like 680 00:38:11,440 --> 00:38:13,960 Speaker 2: nor should it be. But that is somebody who is 681 00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:16,920 Speaker 2: doing more than bullshitting online. That's somebody who has a 682 00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:19,759 Speaker 2: fixation that they clearly can't get over, and those do 683 00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:24,160 Speaker 2: sometimes lead to violence. And so yeah, I think I 684 00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:28,600 Speaker 2: think it's really valid to look at this as not 685 00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:31,480 Speaker 2: just a couple of incidents that are troubling, but as 686 00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:35,680 Speaker 2: evidence of a troubling trend. Yep, all right, well that 687 00:38:35,680 --> 00:38:36,919 Speaker 2: does a frustrating comment. 688 00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:40,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, Please do not earn your place in 689 00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:43,799 Speaker 3: heaven by sending a trader to hell early. It does 690 00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:45,040 Speaker 3: not see to work out very well. 691 00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:49,799 Speaker 2: No, earn your place in heaven. I don't actually have 692 00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:52,640 Speaker 2: a joke to finish this episode with, Don't Don't commit Murder. 693 00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:55,320 Speaker 4: Bye. 694 00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:01,640 Speaker 1: It Could Happen years production of cool Zone Media. For 695 00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:05,040 Speaker 1: more podcasts from cool Zone Media, visit our website coolzonemedia 696 00:39:05,080 --> 00:39:07,399 Speaker 1: dot com or check us out on the iHeartRadio app, 697 00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:10,600 Speaker 1: Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to podcasts. You can 698 00:39:10,640 --> 00:39:13,319 Speaker 1: find sources for It Could Happen here, updated monthly at 699 00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:16,600 Speaker 1: coolzonemedia dot com slash sources. Thanks for listening.