Speaker 1: Of the Law and Order franchises, SVU is considered especially watchable.
Speaker 2: We are the amateur detectives who kind of investigate the
Speaker 2: vicious felonies.
Speaker 3: These episodes are based on. These are our stories done Dune.
Speaker 2: Hello, and welcome to That's Messed Up an SVU podcast.
Speaker 3: I'm Lisa Traeger.
Speaker 1: And I'm Kara Klank and you hopefully know by now
Speaker 1: the drill. We just recap an episode of Law and
Speaker 1: Order SVU. We're going to take you through the journey
Speaker 1: of the true crime it was based on, and then
Speaker 1: we're going to interview an actor from the show. So, Lisa,
Speaker 1: what's up, what's new? I'm having a fun week.
Speaker 2: I mean, before we talk about anything, we got to
Speaker 2: talk about the Atlanta Housewives. It is one of the
Speaker 2: greatest episodes of television in recorded history.
Speaker 4: It's truly, truly wild.
Speaker 1: We are on a group text with a couple other
Speaker 1: friends and someone told us wrote us, you know, an
Speaker 1: East Coast person wrote us that they had seen at first.
Speaker 3: And was like, I mean, it's just it's like.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like there's a few if you if you
Speaker 1: watch Housewives, there's a few cannon episodes that are just
Speaker 1: classic forever. There's the Berkshire Scary Island. Scary Island I.
Speaker 5: Have everybody goes multiple peckers in my.
Speaker 1: Life, you know, yeah, there are really really you know,
Speaker 1: just even if you don't watch. Like my husband the
Speaker 1: other day said to me, he goes, can I watch
Speaker 1: Scary Island with you? I just want to know what
Speaker 1: you're talking about? Like, so I think I might just
Speaker 1: show him Scary Island. So these are episodes that I
Speaker 1: think you can just dip into and realize how amazing
Speaker 1: they are, even if you don't really follow the shows
Speaker 1: or all the drama of them. And this episode is
Speaker 1: gets up there. It's on that pedestal with those episodes.
Speaker 2: I've been describing it to people that are like, wait,
Speaker 2: why do I have to watch it? I go sex swings,
Speaker 2: a stripper in chanel in a cage and there's a shark.
Speaker 2: These bitches catch a shark, okay, like are you kidding me?
Speaker 3: And there might be a threesome.
Speaker 2: But they put this is These are women in their
Speaker 2: forties and fifties. Their bodies are hot as hell, They're
Speaker 2: wearing lingerie s and m gear. They put the bachelorette
Speaker 2: in a sex swing and put a vibrator on her
Speaker 2: on television like.
Speaker 1: It is if you are not if you if you're Like,
Speaker 1: what does sex positivity look like? It's this episode of
Speaker 1: this television show because the other franchises of the show
Speaker 1: are honestly so prudish, Like in one episode they go
Speaker 1: to Amsterdam and they split a piece of space cake
Speaker 1: even though weed is legal there. It's like, you know,
Speaker 1: they're just so prude. Everyone's worried about what they're doing
Speaker 1: on TV. The Atlanta Women do not have not been
Speaker 1: done giving a fuck.
Speaker 3: Like it is so good.
Speaker 1: They have this like orgy bachelorette party that is really
Speaker 1: fun and hilarious. Everyone's having a good time and they
Speaker 1: try too of the cameras so that you can't see
Speaker 1: what happens after production kind of shuts down, but we
Speaker 1: get some glimpses and it's wild and.
Speaker 2: The background of my phone has changed from Captain Craigan
Speaker 2: holding Kimba to Carly Jean's drawing of Bolo because the
Speaker 2: stripper Bolow's the stripper.
Speaker 1: The very talented artist who did our artwork for That's
Speaker 1: Messed Up did a like prompt where she was like,
Speaker 1: tell me to draw something, and people.
Speaker 3: Just told her to draw Bolo the stripper. I told her, Oh,
Speaker 3: it was you. Of course.
Speaker 4: I had no idea you were the suggestor.
Speaker 3: Of course it was me.
Speaker 2: And then she wrote to me going, I don't really
Speaker 2: know what this is, but people are messaging me non stop,
Speaker 2: like because everyone else was like a troll doll, a
Speaker 2: giraffe and roller skates and I was like, yeah, Bolo please,
Speaker 2: I need Bolo and the outfits they go. My favorite
Speaker 2: is Marlow going fishing boat. I think that's my favorite
Speaker 2: line because they all think they're going on a yacht
Speaker 2: and then they go and poor She's like, are we
Speaker 2: catching Nima? Well, they're just so funny. And I think
Speaker 2: I mentioned this in another episode, like they're so open.
Speaker 2: In one of their first episodes this year, they all
Speaker 2: gain weight during the quarantine, they got on a scale
Speaker 2: and showed their weight to television, which I don't think
Speaker 2: any franchise would do either.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're definitely like they're just very like open about
Speaker 1: their bodies and sex positive.
Speaker 2: And delly wings on camera they will lick a wing
Speaker 2: bone like they're oh, yeah, they don't care, they're just oh.
Speaker 1: Other franchises I have watched two women I have watched
Speaker 1: two women on Beverly Hills order a plate of pasta
Speaker 1: to share, and then I have watched the waiter pick
Speaker 1: up the full plate of pasta and clear it untouched. Okay,
Speaker 1: the women on Atlanta have a trough of dead pig
Speaker 1: that they're just going to town on like they're amazing.
Speaker 2: Candy came back from the bow and she goes, I'm hungry,
Speaker 2: and then the other women are like, oh, we got
Speaker 2: to feed her.
Speaker 3: This will be a disaster.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you don't want to get angry with the Atlanta
Speaker 1: women at all, or.
Speaker 2: I just think Bravo as a whole gets disrespected. I
Speaker 2: don't know if it's like the patriarch or what. But
Speaker 2: watch What Happens Live and Andy Cohen is the best
Speaker 2: late night show of all and it's never in the conversation.
Speaker 2: I don't want to keep talking about Jimmy Kimmel and Colbert.
Speaker 2: I don't care.
Speaker 3: I want Andy Cohen. It's fresh, it's.
Speaker 2: Exciting, people are open, they're drinking, there's games like they
Speaker 2: It just is never in the conversation of late night shows.
Speaker 4: No, it's so true.
Speaker 1: I hate I think late night is like a dead
Speaker 1: art form, But I really do think that Watch What
Speaker 1: Happens Live is so fun and.
Speaker 3: He gets huge people. I think Oprah's done it. I mean,
Speaker 3: have sh Streak done it every Yeah, he gets huge,
Speaker 3: huge people.
Speaker 1: So it's not like it's just Bravo liberties, but just
Speaker 1: these episodes of television are funnier than any comedian I've
Speaker 1: ever seen.
Speaker 2: Like the things that come out of all these women's mouths.
Speaker 2: They're falling in bushes, They're fucking a pirate. I mean,
Speaker 2: Ramona has shit her pants on television twice, twice twice.
Speaker 3: Like you never get to see women in that.
Speaker 2: It's like have fun and get drunk, and I just
Speaker 2: it doesn't get the respect it deserves.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you see women of a different age group
Speaker 1: also as like you know, sexual beings.
Speaker 3: And who have like desires and wants and stuff. That's
Speaker 3: what I love about Bravo.
Speaker 1: So hey, guys, this is our non non paid sponsorship
Speaker 1: of Bravo if you'd like to dip into the Bravo verse.
Speaker 2: I went to go buy Bolo merch already sold out
Speaker 2: the next day.
Speaker 3: Albolo's making a nice bag.
Speaker 2: From this, it sounded like you just said a bola
Speaker 2: though Ebola Bolo, which you know at BOLO in the
Speaker 2: law enforcement world, is stands for be on the lookout.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 1: So when they put out a BOLO for like, we're
Speaker 1: looking for a female five foot seven, brown hair, like,
Speaker 1: that's there is that way saying like, be on the
Speaker 1: lookout for his giant dick that's the size of his arm.
Speaker 1: Be on the lookout for his twelve inch serpentine penis.
Speaker 3: Oh my god.
Speaker 1: I mean obviously they can't show it, but you see
Speaker 1: it underpants and it is Oh.
Speaker 2: People send me videos of the of the dick, like
Speaker 2: close up. Yeah, there's a Twitter thread I was sent
Speaker 2: of him at doing strip shows other places with his.
Speaker 4: Oh we and you saw the real thing?
Speaker 3: Yes, fuck listen. I love the Internet.
Speaker 2: I love texting, I love group chats, I love memes,
Speaker 2: love a gift.
Speaker 1: No one could ever accuse you of not loving the Internet, Lisa. Anyway,
Speaker 1: let's jump right from Dick Watch twenty twenty one.
Speaker 2: To wait, wait, they were on the cover of People.
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, Maloney, Benson, Baby Maloney.
Speaker 3: Why switching switched?
Speaker 4: Stabler and Benson.
Speaker 1: Maloney and Hargatea were on the cover of People magazine,
Speaker 1: clearly doing press for organized crime, which is amazing, but
Speaker 1: I like loved it. The cover is so sweet, and
Speaker 1: somebody wrote us a message and really encompassed my feeling
Speaker 1: on this. It was just really nice to see like
Speaker 1: a man and a woman on a cover of a
Speaker 1: magazine that are just friends, like and just celebrating like
Speaker 1: male female friendship that's not like anything sexual. I mean,
Speaker 1: I know in our minds we want them to be
Speaker 1: sexual as their characters, some of us, but like you know,
Speaker 1: the ship that the mentalorshippers aside, it's just nice that
Speaker 1: they have this twenty five year friendship that is really
Speaker 1: beautiful and it's not sexualized, Like they both have partners,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and like she is a godmother to one of
Speaker 2: his children.
Speaker 3: She didn't even know that, yeah, And he was.
Speaker 2: There when like she met her husband, obviously Peter, and
Speaker 2: like she was like I loved his marriage so much
Speaker 2: and seeing them showed me what I can have. And
Speaker 2: it just seems like they inspire themselves outside of the
Speaker 2: show and works so well together. And in the videos
Speaker 2: she made fun of his bald head, which you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they like rib each other and they really they
Speaker 1: really like make fun of each other and are really
Speaker 1: like just you can tell they're just like genuine friends.
Speaker 1: And yeah, she says that she has four pillar men
Speaker 1: in her life, her father, her husband, Dick Wolf, and
Speaker 1: Christopher Maloney.
Speaker 2: That's like huge, yeah, And it seemed like she was
Speaker 2: about to tear her up or maybe I was reading
Speaker 2: too into it, but when she was talking about she goes.
Speaker 2: I mean, usually when people leave a show, the audience
Speaker 2: gets used to it, but it is such a testament
Speaker 2: to what they created that we're ten years out from
Speaker 2: uh Maloney leaving and people are still obsessed with those
Speaker 2: first twelve seasons. Yeah, and love them so much and
Speaker 2: it is like, yeah, you guys really created something that
Speaker 2: we can't get enough of.
Speaker 5: Right.
Speaker 1: So anyway, that came out last Friday, so it's on
Speaker 1: your news stands now.
Speaker 3: So go get it.
Speaker 2: And then I don't know if it was in our
Speaker 2: personal chats or on the That's messed up accounts, but
Speaker 2: someone wrote to us like Kardashian is probably furious she's
Speaker 2: not on.
Speaker 3: This week's cover.
Speaker 1: Yes, look, somebody wrote, Kim is so furious she didn't
Speaker 1: get the cover of her divorce. Yes, and you know what, Sorry,
Speaker 1: all right, let's get into today's episode.
Speaker 2: Okay, this is Serendipity Season five? I have episode five,
Speaker 2: which seems kind of magical, you know, fifty five.
Speaker 3: Maybe it's not, but I like it.
Speaker 2: So we start out and it's the center of disease
Speaker 2: control and Ghostbuster style outfits and they're doing stuff in
Speaker 2: a sewer. And then a woman who I think I
Speaker 2: could play a very just an annoying Jewish New Yorker,
Speaker 2: I would say, holding a paper bag of groceries. Who
Speaker 2: uses paper bags without handles? I just I don't even know.
Speaker 1: But this is a classic SVU thing where it's just
Speaker 1: like a nosy New Yorker being like, what are you doing?
Speaker 3: What is that? What's happening? Like they alway kind is it?
Speaker 2: Answer X so many questions and they're like, go on
Speaker 2: with your day.
Speaker 3: We're going to figure this out.
Speaker 2: And then she peeks over we see a little babyhand
Speaker 2: and she goes, I hope that's a baby. I changed
Speaker 2: the accent. She said, I hope that's a bit. I
Speaker 2: can't do it whatever. She hopes it's a baby doll.
Speaker 2: It's clearly long order sview it is not a doll,
Speaker 2: and that is a baby in a trash bag in
Speaker 2: a sewer, and done, done, it's SVU baby.
Speaker 4: That was really tough to watch. It was tough to
Speaker 4: see that little baby hand.
Speaker 2: It was a cute hand. It was definitely upsetting.
Speaker 3: It was a really cute hand.
Speaker 2: So then we get to the credits, and what is
Speaker 2: interesting to me is Diane Neal is in the cast
Speaker 2: photo in the end, and so I'm wondering if the
Speaker 2: people watching this live were like, who's that woman?
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, because this is her first.
Speaker 2: Episode, huge deal, we meet Casey Novak, but she was
Speaker 2: in that photo, and I just wonder if the hardcore
Speaker 2: audiences interesting.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know if you've watched enough of it,
Speaker 1: Like that photo kind of just rolls over you because
Speaker 1: like you've seen so many.
Speaker 2: No, that's when you're getting snacks, that's like when you're
Speaker 2: running around. But I was like, whoa, I had that
Speaker 2: photo for next week.
Speaker 3: What are you guys up to?
Speaker 2: So we learned that if the water was any higher,
Speaker 2: the baby would have washed into the East River. So
Speaker 2: it's like all of these things are helping us find
Speaker 2: this child. There's a baby blanket, bilical cord is still attached,
Speaker 2: and there's no obvious trauma. So this is obviously confusing
Speaker 2: like the baby at a blanket, it wasn't her, Like,
Speaker 2: what the fuck's going on? And then I love one
Speaker 2: SVU is acab on their own because we have another
Speaker 2: street officer and he goes, hey, there's an endocrinologist, and
Speaker 2: he's not.
Speaker 3: He's an entomologist.
Speaker 2: So I really loved that he couldn't keep it straight,
Speaker 2: which I love, and I have an endocrinologist.
Speaker 3: I'm not bragging, but I do have a thyride problem.
Speaker 2: So they talk to the bug guy and this is very,
Speaker 2: very gross, but it happens a lot on forensic files.
Speaker 2: Through the development of like larvae and bugs or whatever,
Speaker 2: you can tell how long the body has been there,
Speaker 2: and so this is very very a fresh baby. So
Speaker 2: they know that the mother lives close by, and they
Speaker 2: immediately find her building because they're the best. And can
Speaker 2: you fucking believe it? The landlord of the building is
Speaker 2: the raw Hawah racist from Raw This predates his racism,
Speaker 2: but it was really exciting to see him and I
Speaker 2: would live in his building, and it's just a testament
Speaker 2: to what a great actor he is because in Raw Yeah,
Speaker 2: he was.
Speaker 1: Like so nice and like just a sweet like maintenance
Speaker 1: man or landlord, just yeah, I'm.
Speaker 2: Making jokes running up the stairs and like I'm watching
Speaker 2: rom like I will piss in your face, and here
Speaker 2: I'm like, can I sign a lease?
Speaker 1: It's funny too when they're like any boyfriends, It's like,
Speaker 1: would your landlord know if you had a boyfriend? Like,
Speaker 1: my landlord would never knew a thing about me. I
Speaker 1: barely ever saw my landlord face to face, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean?
Speaker 2: In New York landlords are a touchy subject to me
Speaker 2: since I was almost poisoned with carbon monoxide multiple times.
Speaker 2: But so yeah, I think, not only have my landlords
Speaker 2: not known about me, they tried to murder me seriously
Speaker 2: and you're sleep in my sleep and then yell at
Speaker 2: me for calling the fire department.
Speaker 3: New York, New York.
Speaker 2: So they go into the apartment and it's really fucked up.
Speaker 2: They see a woman on her bed, there's a lot
Speaker 2: out of blood and what the fuck happened here? So
Speaker 2: someone ripped out the baby. She died, and then they
Speaker 2: dumped the baby in the sewer. And this is my
Speaker 2: favorite month, trying to be a human. And so he's
Speaker 2: talking to one of the neighbors and it's an elderly
Speaker 2: woman with a lot of birds, and you know, she's like,
Speaker 2: the birds loved the woman.
Speaker 1: So that was like her litmus test for who's a
Speaker 1: good person. She must have been a good person because
Speaker 1: my birds loved her.
Speaker 2: Yes, but she didn't hear anything because of her hearing
Speaker 2: aids and anyone that owns a bird, I'm sorry if
Speaker 2: you're listening, I don't care if you come for us.
Speaker 2: You're a psychopath pet birds are well, that's not true.
Speaker 2: I've switched because of t'chala from Potomac. I'm like, I
Speaker 2: could get into a bird.
Speaker 4: So Lisa was Sin's calling you all psychopaths.
Speaker 5: Bird.
Speaker 3: Sorrybird, you can have birds.
Speaker 1: You can now have a bird if it's a beautiful
Speaker 1: gray parrot that repeats what you say.
Speaker 2: And then you know, they talk to another neighbor who's
Speaker 2: working from home very twenty twenty, twenty twenty one, and
Speaker 2: he didn't hear thing, and they're like, she was giving birth.
Speaker 2: What do you mean you didn't hear anything? And he's like,
Speaker 2: she was kind of quiet, Like no one is quiet
Speaker 2: during birth, is the point that they make. And I
Speaker 2: see as a long ass ponytail here and it's just
Speaker 2: nice to reminisce about the old ponytail days.
Speaker 1: So Melinda Warner are beautiful MD. She said that it's Emmy, Liza.
Speaker 1: I just may say MD all the time, and it
Speaker 1: is Emmy. I just want you to know, Okay.
Speaker 2: So Melinda, she said that someone helped deliver the baby
Speaker 2: and cleaned up the after birth. And so they're at
Speaker 2: the scene trying to solve it. Was there a stroke,
Speaker 2: there's no evidence of foul play. Maybe they found her
Speaker 2: too late, like they don't.
Speaker 3: Know what's up.
Speaker 2: And then Elliott finds great evidence some prenatal vitamins, so
Speaker 2: they know that she went to a doctor. So off
Speaker 2: to the doctor they go. She wasn't due it for
Speaker 2: another three weeks, but trauma could lead you into labor.
Speaker 3: The doctor said.
Speaker 2: She was like detached and not really into the pregnancy
Speaker 2: at all, didn't care about any of the results, but
Speaker 2: had all of these tests, like so many high class
Speaker 2: tests done and she came from a free clinic to
Speaker 2: this fancy, fancy doctor situation.
Speaker 3: We find out her name is Brianna.
Speaker 2: Moore, but the credit card is charged with a Ron
Speaker 2: Wolcott and he works at the Flavor Institute, which sounds great.
Speaker 2: I love food science and restaurant You know, we're not
Speaker 2: supposed to know what it is, but I knew a
Speaker 2: food scientist once, and it's impressive to me.
Speaker 3: Who makes all those flavors of Lays.
Speaker 2: So they go to Ron Wilcott's house and they see
Speaker 2: a woman with another paper grocery bag, which I how,
Speaker 2: I just this was never a memory in my life.
Speaker 1: You well, I guess not. But I think if you're
Speaker 1: picking up stuff at a bodega, I mean you usually
Speaker 1: get a plastic bag. Yeah, I don't know. Yeah, they
Speaker 1: all have handles now. It is very retro. Maybe it's
Speaker 1: just of the time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And she has you know, fresh flowers in there,
Speaker 2: and I thought it looked like Twizzlers, but who knows.
Speaker 3: So the woman's like, oh, we know Brianna.
Speaker 2: Well, because they try to play it off like someone's
Speaker 2: steal your card. They went to this doctor and so
Speaker 2: then we find out this woman knows Brianna and Brianna
Speaker 2: is actually carrying her baby. So we find out Brianna
Speaker 2: is carrying this baby for the Woolcotts and paid for
Speaker 2: their expenses. They paid for her to have a better apartment,
Speaker 2: They paid for everything so she didn't have to work
Speaker 2: because she had a really tough, demanding, physical job, and
Speaker 2: the adoption was set through mutual friends and we're off.
Speaker 2: I mean, this really feels like a relay race. We
Speaker 2: are in so many places this episode. So she was
Speaker 2: giving her baby to them like they were not. It
Speaker 2: wasn't like a surrogate thing. It was like she was
Speaker 2: giving this baby to them. Yeah, and they seemed, you know,
Speaker 2: just like rich New Yorkers, you know, not suspicious or
Speaker 2: anything to me.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: So then we go meet the friend Marcy Cochran, who
Speaker 2: works at the Flavor Institute with Ron Wilcott, but volunteers
Speaker 2: at a hotline. So Brianna called the Metro hotline and
Speaker 2: started talking to Marcie, and we find out she didn't
Speaker 2: want to commit suicide but was very sad, and she
Speaker 2: met the baby daddy in a park.
Speaker 3: It was her dream guy.
Speaker 2: They fucked and then he gave her a fake number
Speaker 2: and so she was never able to reach him, and
Speaker 2: so she became pregnant from this one night stand. And
Speaker 2: Marcy and her became super close and they talked at
Speaker 2: their house and Elliot's like, was that fucking normal? And
Speaker 2: she goes, no, but we connected, and then what we
Speaker 2: find out is she either convinced her, pressured her, led
Speaker 2: her to agree to give the baby to the Wolcotts.
Speaker 2: I think Marcy is crossing the line of ethics here,
Speaker 2: but you know, we need a plotline. So then we
Speaker 2: find out that Marcy and Brionn actually got into a
Speaker 2: fight four days ago because Brianna decided to keep the baby.
Speaker 2: Marcy told her husband, her husband told Ron, and now
Speaker 2: we have suspects because we have people mad at her
Speaker 2: because she decided that she wants to keep her baby,
Speaker 2: which legally you're allowed to at any point biological mothers
Speaker 2: changed your mind. We're back at the Emmy's office and
Speaker 2: Melinda has a tight bun and her hair's pulled back.
Speaker 2: She looks amazing, and then it's kind of like really sad,
Speaker 2: horrific sick details coming up. So the baby bled to
Speaker 2: death from the umbilical cord. The perp knew how to
Speaker 2: kill her without being caught. It's an old Scottish way
Speaker 2: of suffocation.
Speaker 4: He suffocated her by sitting on her chest.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because there.
Speaker 2: Was like a button imprint from her dress on her chest,
Speaker 2: so it's really upsetting. She was also injected with a
Speaker 2: sedative that sedates you, but you can feel everything, but
Speaker 2: you can't do anything about it. So again, this person
Speaker 2: is fucking evil, Like you're already doing evil shit?
Speaker 4: Can you like whatever the sedative is called?
Speaker 2: Verse said, And then you know they're like, but how
Speaker 2: did she give birth to the baby if she's sedated?
Speaker 2: And of course Melinda has an answer, and it's basically
Speaker 2: a synthetic form of a hormone that was put into
Speaker 2: her anus via a suppository to make her give birth. Jesus,
Speaker 2: it's sick. And it's like, this is a sicko. And
Speaker 2: we watch a lot of sview and this is a
Speaker 2: fucking demented sicko. He's deranged, like she felt everything, couldn't move,
Speaker 2: forced her into labor, suffocated her, and ripped her baby out?
Speaker 2: Like how do you hate someone this much to do
Speaker 2: this to them? So, you know, Stabler and Benson head
Speaker 2: on over to the Flavor Institute. I mean, the Flavor
Speaker 2: Institute is just waiting.
Speaker 3: To flaor institute just sounds like so funny.
Speaker 1: I mean it sounds like what's his name, Guy Fieri's
Speaker 1: like school of cooking or something.
Speaker 2: Yeah, who's been very good at trying to help restaurants
Speaker 2: and save restaurants during this time. I know people hate
Speaker 2: him because of his blonde tips.
Speaker 1: I think he is slowly like coming out to the
Speaker 1: other side of being like a joke.
Speaker 3: I think people like him now.
Speaker 2: And I want to say I give a little credit
Speaker 2: to Shane Torres for the guy fear he flip around.
Speaker 2: He had a very amazing joke about it, and he
Speaker 2: did it on television, and I give him credit. So,
Speaker 2: you know, they're fighting with Ron. The Wolcotts deny it.
Speaker 2: They search their place and everything, and they're like, it's
Speaker 2: not us, it's not us, and so as of view
Speaker 2: are I'm beginning to think this is not the person.
Speaker 2: While they're searching, Casey Novak appears out of thin air.
Speaker 2: It's like a magic trick and she is here, and
Speaker 2: you know, Benson's like, who the hell are you?
Speaker 3: Which I like.
Speaker 1: Benson is immediately really antagonistic towards her.
Speaker 2: It's funny, yeah, right away, And you know, and I
Speaker 2: just love Casey's hair here. It looks like she just
Speaker 2: got out of bed and it's insane, no products, just
Speaker 2: like a ragamuffin a hair situation.
Speaker 3: It's so funny to me.
Speaker 2: But you know, the Ada walks in and Stabler knows
Speaker 2: her from the cop lawyer softball team game.
Speaker 3: I don't know they played softball, which we.
Speaker 4: Are obsessed with.
Speaker 1: Diane Neil in another episode has a baseball style like
Speaker 1: three quarter T shirt that says sex crimes on It.
Speaker 2: The greatest merch ever and we need it immediately because yeah,
Speaker 2: so they know each other from softball, and Stabler's like,
Speaker 2: get out of here. This isn't what you're supposed to do.
Speaker 2: You're a lawyer, and she's like, I like to be
Speaker 2: hands on. I want to get in the dirt with everything,
Speaker 2: and they're like, get the fuck away from us. Then
Speaker 2: she goes, have we checked Brionna's apartment? And it's like, yes,
Speaker 2: the detectives went to Brionna's apartment, adakc Novac, but she goes,
Speaker 2: but she goes but it hasn't been searched by me.
Speaker 2: And then they're back at Brionna's apartment. They're so contentious,
Speaker 2: like everything is defensive and angry, and she keeps giving
Speaker 2: ideas and Stabler keep I mean, Olivia keeps shutting them
Speaker 2: down but proving them wrong.
Speaker 3: So they find a stack of books.
Speaker 2: So Casey Novak's like, how do we know she wanted
Speaker 2: to keep the baby, and Benson sees what to expect
Speaker 2: when you're expecting types of books, and she goes, yeah,
Speaker 2: but when did she get them? And it's like from
Speaker 2: the live and there's stamp dates. Yeah, but then she
Speaker 2: does help out a little. There's a book called skin
Speaker 2: Diseases for the elderly, So why would a young woman
Speaker 2: have that?
Speaker 1: Can I just ask really quickly that if anybody's listening,
Speaker 1: can you and you have like a law background or
Speaker 1: I know we have some like law students and stuff
Speaker 1: who listened to us, Just like, let me know how
Speaker 1: often eightas are like searching crime scenes on their own.
Speaker 1: I just feel like that's not a thing. But in
Speaker 1: this show, like Careesi's doing unassisted pull ups, people are
Speaker 1: like eightas are just showing up on the scene all
Speaker 1: the time, and I feel like they're more courtroom focused.
Speaker 3: So please let me know if that's a normal thing. Yeah.
Speaker 2: The tag team relay race continues, and we're at the library,
Speaker 2: and every library and in a New York City library
Speaker 2: knows Brianna and everything she's ever done in the.
Speaker 3: Library, Like it is really incredible.
Speaker 2: She's there all the time, and what we find out
Speaker 2: is She saw a magazine with a photo of a
Speaker 2: man and went and said, how do I get information
Speaker 2: on him?
Speaker 3: Went to a different.
Speaker 2: Librarian who showed her the name and the books he wrote,
Speaker 2: and then immediately she asked, give me a book or
Speaker 2: information on paternity tests. So we now find out there's
Speaker 2: this dermatologist who is the baby daddy? Who is this
Speaker 2: one night stand and she obviously let him know. So
Speaker 2: then we're at a super fancy office and this doctor
Speaker 2: is denying it all. He has his own line of
Speaker 2: skincare with pretty displays, but not like a normal suspect.
Speaker 2: He agrees to a paternity test very quickly and says, actually,
Speaker 2: I was going to suggest that. So we're back at
Speaker 2: the precinct. Ron is cleared of all the evidence, and
Speaker 2: then Munch comes in and says, okay, bad news this guy.
Speaker 2: What's the guy's name, Newlan's, Newlan's. So the funny thing
Speaker 2: with newlns. I don't know if you've seen the movie Saved,
Speaker 2: but I only think of him as Pastor Skip, so
Speaker 2: I might be calling him pastor Skip for this episode.
Speaker 2: So Munch comes in and says, Pastor Skip did not
Speaker 2: commit this crime. His DNA does not match, but his
Speaker 2: DNA matches a cold case, so we just cleared a
Speaker 2: cold case. So they go and arrest him while he's
Speaker 2: in the middle of botox, which is amazing. I love
Speaker 2: when they interrupt doctors in their office and they're like,
Speaker 2: you can't be in here, and they're like that. So
Speaker 2: he gets arrested for raping a six year old in
Speaker 2: nineteen ninety eight, and the acting here is amazing because
Speaker 2: you could tell he's confused.
Speaker 3: So we're in the interrogation room.
Speaker 2: He's denying it the whole time, and then Casey Novak's
Speaker 2: interrupting the case like she's getting too involved Stabler in
Speaker 2: her r fighting. It's just a really hectic interrogation scene
Speaker 2: where he's denying everything. Casey Novaks wants to be by
Speaker 2: the book constantly, and then we get the sexiest man
Speaker 2: of all, Trevor Langen.
Speaker 3: He comes in Marishka Hargate's real life husband, Peter Herman.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and so he's there to protect a pedophile like always,
Speaker 2: and you know he did do good work but in
Speaker 2: the future, but whatever. So mister Benson's looking fine as
Speaker 2: hell and he comes and starts defending mister Skip, so
Speaker 2: you know, what they know about pedophiles is it's never
Speaker 2: just one. There's got to be a pattern, and we
Speaker 2: have to find more victims because pedophiles don't stop at one,
Speaker 2: especially if they're not caught, Like something is up here.
Speaker 2: So they end up going to visit the girl that
Speaker 2: was the initial victim from nineteen ninety eight, and they
Speaker 2: have to find more victims because that case has reached
Speaker 2: its what's the word statue to limitation, which is bullshit.
Speaker 2: I don't understand statue of limitations. If you rape a
Speaker 2: child fifteen years ago, why in the DNA matches? Like
Speaker 2: what the fuck? Like what pedophile came up with statue
Speaker 2: of limitations? I don't understand.
Speaker 1: I feel like they've been extended more in a lot
Speaker 1: of states. But maybe I'm I might, I might not
Speaker 1: know that, Like I think that a lot of people
Speaker 1: feel the same.
Speaker 3: Way you do.
Speaker 2: I just it's really does not help victims. It's it's
Speaker 2: very annoying to me. So they meet this girl and
Speaker 2: she has really sweet, curly hair, and she's got an
Speaker 2: attitude because obviously she's dealt with a lot of trauma.
Speaker 2: And we find out that this is like a honey
Speaker 2: kind of rapist. Where he carries herround packets of honey
Speaker 2: that he puts on his dick and makes children lick
Speaker 2: it off, and then that leads to sexual assault and
Speaker 2: they find a case two months prior with this honey signature,
Speaker 2: and Casey's.
Speaker 3: Like, we're bringing the kid in. We're bringing the kid.
Speaker 2: In for a lineup, and everyone at the SVU is like, yo,
Speaker 2: this is gonna we can't bring a child this young in.
Speaker 3: It's gonna fuck her up.
Speaker 2: And if she does something right, like no, and she's
Speaker 2: fighting with them, and it's like, Casey, you came from
Speaker 2: white collar crimes, Like why are you not listening to
Speaker 2: these special victim detectives that are telling you this is
Speaker 2: a bad idea.
Speaker 3: The child comes in.
Speaker 2: She's so cute, so cute, honestly, I mean, we have
Speaker 2: an incredible guest and I can't believe we have her.
Speaker 2: But my second choice was this kid, like even before
Speaker 2: pastor skip, this kid lives rent free. In my mind,
Speaker 2: I like her so much, so sweet, and she's Alicia,
Speaker 2: and she's so scared, and she does a bad job
Speaker 2: quote unquote like doesn't name the suspect.
Speaker 3: And so she's like, I'm sorry.
Speaker 2: And then you know, Benson goes to yell at Casey
Speaker 2: Novak for being a dumb bitch, and Casey Novak is
Speaker 2: crying and understands what she did was not good. So
Speaker 2: Benson and Novak talk about dating, and we find out
Speaker 2: everyone in the Special Victims unit has a clusterfuck of
Speaker 2: bad marriages and divorces and dating experiences, which is not
Speaker 2: news to us.
Speaker 3: And Casey's like, why do you do it? She's like,
Speaker 3: because someone's got to, because they're heroes.
Speaker 2: So Casey goes to Newland's wife to convince her, like,
Speaker 2: why aren't you helping us? We know that you're lying,
Speaker 2: and reveals that there's DNA evidence, and then you see
Speaker 2: that she has shook because he never mentioned the DNA.
Speaker 2: She's a doctor, she knows DNA doesn't lie.
Speaker 4: Lisa, do you watch Handmaid's Tale?
Speaker 3: I don't know. It's too scary. Oh okay.
Speaker 1: I get like a very Yvonne Strahowsky, who plays the
Speaker 1: main bad guy's like wife. I get a bit vibe
Speaker 1: from that from her. Well I know her from Dexter. Yes,
Speaker 1: it's her from Dexter. Like I get that vibe from
Speaker 1: the wife, like the tight braid and like just like
Speaker 1: the way she's pouring a drink while she talks to Casey.
Speaker 1: I was just getting very Handmaid's Tale vibes. But go on, well, no,
Speaker 1: someone that's not drinking right now.
Speaker 2: Trust me, in my notes it did say whiskey and
Speaker 2: I wanted some, so I didn't mention the drink. I'm
Speaker 2: glad you did, so you know, good move on, Casey.
Speaker 2: I don't think it's part of the rules. So Trevor
Speaker 2: and Casey they're fighting with a judge about legal stuff,
Speaker 2: and it's the judge with the red curls, Judge Lois Preston,
Speaker 2: which I think we should could say.
Speaker 3: Can I think she's.
Speaker 1: Yes, she's a full, no nonsense bitch judge and I
Speaker 1: love her.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So now we are in the courtroom and Pastor Skip's
Speaker 2: not showing up to court, so that's a big deal.
Speaker 2: And then the funniest thing that's ever happened on SVU
Speaker 2: we have So they set up Trevor to meet Pastor
Speaker 2: Skip in a diner, and then Munch and Finn are
Speaker 2: sitting and we learn that Much is a bad investor
Speaker 2: in dive bars and restaurants, which, thanks for that tidbit.
Speaker 2: He's like trying to get Finn to invest in this diner,
Speaker 2: and it just makes me laugh so much. And they
Speaker 2: are so mean to Trevor, who's like helping them catch
Speaker 2: this guy, and they're like eyes up front, you little
Speaker 2: turd breath Like I don't remember exactly what they say
Speaker 2: to him, but they're just like, you bottom feeder. And
Speaker 2: why didn't Pastor Skips show up anywhere? He's murdered, shot
Speaker 2: in the back of the head, bleeding everywhere, because then
Speaker 2: they're like, oh, was it suicide? No, No one can
Speaker 2: shoot themselves in the back of the head, please do
Speaker 2: not try. So the wife and kids have moved out.
Speaker 2: I don't think they even look for who killed this guy,
Speaker 2: Like they truly don't even care. Clearly, I think it's
Speaker 2: the wife, but they never touch on it, and it's
Speaker 2: just amazing.
Speaker 3: They're like, yeah, good riddance. Oh I thought that it
Speaker 3: was the pedophile. Oh really, I for some reason I
Speaker 3: thought that, Hannah, have you watched this episode? I don't
Speaker 3: think they mention it, but I think that's like assumed.
Speaker 3: I don't think it's assumed it's his wife.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's the pedophile because she's like, you
Speaker 1: can't He's like whatever, you did to like implicate me
Speaker 1: or like implicate yourself, like you're not getting away.
Speaker 3: I think they thought like if he died, it would
Speaker 3: just end the.
Speaker 1: Case and the person could continue, and the person could continue.
Speaker 2: So he's murdered, shot in the back of the head,
Speaker 2: and basically there's another crime scene, you know, terrible.
Speaker 3: Another girl was snatched. There's a honey packet.
Speaker 2: Beady Wong found it and he was just saying, this
Speaker 2: is like a last Tarrah and the kid could be dead.
Speaker 3: So they really have to get to work.
Speaker 2: And so we're at the Emmy's office and we have
Speaker 2: a pastor skip on the slab and Melinda's giving the
Speaker 2: rundown of what's going on. He has this giant scar
Speaker 2: on his upper arm and they find a tube of
Speaker 2: blood inside of his arm, and everyone is super confused.
Speaker 2: Melinda is like, yeah, he could have given himself a
Speaker 2: local and did it himself.
Speaker 3: And everyone's like, but why would anyone do this? And
Speaker 3: then we have bead Wong.
Speaker 2: He's not in the FBI for no reason, and he
Speaker 2: goes oh to beat a paternity test. So basically, this
Speaker 2: dermatologist to get out of a double homicide, took some
Speaker 2: blood from the dermatology office implanted it in a tube
Speaker 2: into his arm, and that blood happened to be a
Speaker 2: pedophile rapist.
Speaker 3: I mean, can you make this stuff up?
Speaker 2: I don't know, all right, So the conversation is, why
Speaker 2: wouldn't he just come forward? And it's like, would you
Speaker 2: rather be a pedophile rapist or a double homicide person?
Speaker 2: And like, I don't know. It's it seems like a
Speaker 2: hard decision to make. But rich like older people like that,
Speaker 2: like white dudes, like I think he thought he was
Speaker 2: going to get away with it. So then they understand
Speaker 2: that the pedophile probably hears the news that they caught
Speaker 2: someone and is so pumped that he goes out to
Speaker 2: be like the worst person again because he knows that
Speaker 2: they're busy working on something else. So they go to
Speaker 2: the dermatology office for the wife to help figure out
Speaker 2: whose blood it is, and she remembers that her husband
Speaker 2: lied about having a cut on her daughter's eighteenth birthday.
Speaker 2: She lied for him before the day that he killed Brianna,
Speaker 2: and so Peter Nessler that is who she took blood from,
Speaker 2: because he had a melanoma and he's addicted to botox apparently,
Speaker 2: And they go to his apartment. He has like tons
Speaker 2: of honeybear like those containers of honey that are shaped
Speaker 2: like bears, which I love. I think they're the cutest
Speaker 2: and I want to get a tattoo of one of them.
Speaker 2: And now I'm conflicted. But Casey shows up and they're
Speaker 2: like so mad to see her, but she goes.
Speaker 3: No, I have a warrant for you.
Speaker 2: And wait, hold on, are those plugs and worms in ba?
Speaker 2: And I'm actually a fisher lady. So all of a sudden,
Speaker 2: she's a fishing expert, and she notices the rods are rusted,
Speaker 2: and so she knows that he fishes in saltwater. There's
Speaker 2: a photo of the boat and the boat has some
Speaker 2: perverted honey slip.
Speaker 3: What's an honeydew.
Speaker 1: It's called honeydew like the melon, but it's more disgusting.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So they run to this boat place, and you know,
Speaker 2: they see a guy and they think that it's him,
Speaker 2: and then they tell Casey Novak like she's a bad,
Speaker 2: bad child.
Speaker 3: They're like, you stay right here and don't you come
Speaker 3: any too close.
Speaker 2: So they start chasing the pedophile he's running and then
Speaker 2: he stabler gets him in the water and then as
Speaker 2: Stabler and his perfect anger problems, he keeps dunking him
Speaker 2: in the water way too long and just really trying
Speaker 2: to drown this guy, and we're into it. And then
Speaker 2: Casey Novak listens to her instincts reaches into the cooler
Speaker 2: and she ends up saving the victim and there's a
Speaker 2: girl in the cooler, and so she is now holding
Speaker 2: this child.
Speaker 3: It's like the end of a.
Speaker 2: War movie and she is the hero that saves the
Speaker 2: kid and hopefully the end it's a slam dunk case
Speaker 2: for her first case. And then she goes to from
Speaker 2: da Arthur Branch who's played by Fred Thompson, and she's.
Speaker 3: Like, I can't do this job. This isn't for me.
Speaker 2: It's too much, and he goes, You're perfect for the
Speaker 2: job because you care, and you know, he's a real
Speaker 2: senator Fred Thompson, who then became.
Speaker 3: This character and is so good at it. I didn't
Speaker 3: know that.
Speaker 4: Yeah he ran for president.
Speaker 3: Wow, that's amazing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he was a Republican who represented Tennessee for a while.
Speaker 3: Wow, that's amazing.
Speaker 1: He just became like right after he was done, he
Speaker 1: became this like sort of long running character on the show.
Speaker 2: And he knew that Casey Novak was gonna thrive in
Speaker 2: this position. So we're gonna take a break and we'll
Speaker 2: be back to hear about the wild.
Speaker 3: Real life events. Okay, we are back. I hope you
Speaker 3: enjoyed those advertisements.
Speaker 1: So a couple of things we wanted to just bring
Speaker 1: up up top from the first half of the show.
Speaker 1: Lisa was talking about Statute of Limitations. So it turns
Speaker 1: out that the Statute of Limitations was originally founded to
Speaker 1: ensure that people were not getting convicted with old and
Speaker 1: degraded evidence. But I think that that was made like
Speaker 1: pre DNA and the preservation of DNA and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: So now actually ten states have abolished the Statute of
Speaker 1: limitations with crimes like this, so that's really great, and we.
Speaker 3: Hope other states will follow suit.
Speaker 1: But let's get into this crime. This is really fucking wild.
Speaker 1: I definitely have seen forensic files in my life. I
Speaker 1: know Lisa is a big fan. I just have it
Speaker 1: in a while, watch the forensics files, and I watched
Speaker 1: one on this case, and it was a treat and
Speaker 1: a dream, like it's really just so funny. And I've
Speaker 1: been in well, I don't know Funny is the word.
Speaker 1: The reenactments are funny to me. The reenactments are funny,
Speaker 1: like that's it. Sorry, And it's so dramatic, very dramatic.
Speaker 2: I've been in a YouTube hole and I was watching
Speaker 2: Juliet Lewis interviews and she is very into forensic files.
Speaker 2: And then all the YouTube comments were like, well, where
Speaker 2: is the scientology guy's wife?
Speaker 3: Why don't you forensic files? That one? Every comment was like.
Speaker 1: Why are you miss cabbage? Let's get one on that.
Speaker 3: That's so funny.
Speaker 4: Okay.
Speaker 1: So this crime that I'm about to talk to you
Speaker 1: guys about happened in a small Canadian farm town called
Speaker 1: Kiplings in Saskatchewan. It's a place where the farmumb animals
Speaker 1: outnumbered the residents. Everybody knows who everybody is. They're known
Speaker 1: for like maybe five to six sexual assaults a year,
Speaker 1: break ins, like just a very like low key crime
Speaker 1: situation in this part of Canada. And Halloween nineteen ninety two,
Speaker 1: this woman named Candy was working at a gas station.
Speaker 1: This is the really the reenactment that made me laugh
Speaker 1: because like they have a whole reenactment of her. Her
Speaker 1: boyfriend comes into her gas station, they get into a
Speaker 1: huge fight, and so like, obviously this actress comes out.
Speaker 1: It's like, I just can't even talk to you right now,
Speaker 1: and it's just this really funny like they look very nineties.
Speaker 1: So Candy, really worked up from her fight with her boyfriend,
Speaker 1: goes to visit her girlfriend, who like works at the hospital,
Speaker 1: and I guess the girlfriend's not there, So a nurse
Speaker 1: suggests she sees a doctor. I do not get why, Like,
Speaker 1: I guess she's pretty hysterical, but it's just it seems
Speaker 1: strange to be like, you need medical attention because you're
Speaker 1: mad from a fight. So the nurse gets doctor John Schneiberger,
Speaker 1: who was on call that night and who is actually
Speaker 1: Candy's doctor. He had delivered her baby, so he recommends
Speaker 1: a sedative for Candy because she had said she was
Speaker 1: so mad she felt like killing her boyfriend. But she
Speaker 1: obviously didn't mean I'm going to kill my boyfriend. She
Speaker 1: was just like describing how angry she was, and she
Speaker 1: thought the doctor was just going to give her some pills,
Speaker 1: but instead he gives.
Speaker 3: Her a shot.
Speaker 1: She goes numb almost right away, has no control over
Speaker 1: her muscles. She says she tried to scream, but it
Speaker 1: just came out like a croaking sound like, So it's terrifying.
Speaker 1: It's almost like it's almost like in a situation like this,
Speaker 1: I don't know what you think, Lisa, Like, I would
Speaker 1: rather just be fully knocked out than have this like paralyzing.
Speaker 3: You know what's going on, but you're paralyzed.
Speaker 2: Well, I think that's a part of the episode where
Speaker 2: it's like these people are extra sick, you know, like
Speaker 2: they want the person to suffer and remember it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because it's probably, as a doctor, very easy to grab,
Speaker 1: like a full anesthetic that knocks someone out right.
Speaker 6: Like.
Speaker 1: So anyway, she's not sure what happens next, but she
Speaker 1: believes that she was raped because she was semi awake,
Speaker 1: and she's like, you know, she kind of describes it
Speaker 1: as like you know when you're at the dentist and
Speaker 1: you kind of feel them wriggling around the tooth, like
Speaker 1: you know, they're moving your tooth around even though you're
Speaker 1: not feeling the pain. So it's like that's what she
Speaker 1: kind of equates her feeling when she woke up, so
Speaker 1: she knew something happened. So this woman, I just have
Speaker 1: to give like the most props to Kennedy.
Speaker 3: She is so smart. She fucking does everything right.
Speaker 1: In this case, she wakes up, she places her underwear
Speaker 1: in an air tight bag. The nurses had convinced her
Speaker 1: to stay overnight, and she didn't mention the event to them,
Speaker 1: which people later think is suspicious. And I'm like, why
Speaker 1: would she trust nurses if she wakes up and the
Speaker 1: doctor has just raped her? Like, why would she trust?
Speaker 1: I wouldn't trust anyone around me. I'd be like, what,
Speaker 1: they're in.
Speaker 2: Cahoots, especially since the nurse is the one that said, oh,
Speaker 2: you should go see the doctor, right.
Speaker 1: So you like, I don't think it's weird she didn't
Speaker 1: mention it to these nurses, Like like what I mean?
Speaker 1: I just I think that's a completely normal reaction.
Speaker 2: Well, it's also, like you mentioned, like she did everything right,
Speaker 2: and that's like the whole argument sometimes with I don't
Speaker 2: even know with who, but like, a rape victim can
Speaker 2: never do everything right because someone will always find some
Speaker 2: weird thing where it's like, but you were wearing a
Speaker 2: bathing suit and it's like so what, like they look
Speaker 2: People that don't want to believe rape victims will find
Speaker 2: any reason to devalue or like not listen to a story.
Speaker 1: And I don't mean to imply that any rape victim
Speaker 1: is doing anything wrong now by not doing the things
Speaker 1: that this woman's doing. All I'm saying is she clearly
Speaker 1: knew about like DNA, and like this is only nineteen
Speaker 1: ninety two. She knows a lot about DNA. She knows
Speaker 1: like about chain of evidence and everything like that. Like
Speaker 1: she does, she takes a lot of steps that actually
Speaker 1: help her case. Is what I'm meaning to say, Well, no,
Speaker 1: I know I didn't think you said that. I I
Speaker 1: was just clarifying.
Speaker 2: But even if she like went to the nurse, they
Speaker 2: would be like, but what about that? Or like if
Speaker 2: she waited till the next day to text a friend,
Speaker 2: or she didn't do like there. It's like the fucking
Speaker 2: defense attorneys on SVU. They will find any random ass
Speaker 2: thing to inflate to be a reason why you're lying.
Speaker 4: Right, Well, and here's what happened.
Speaker 1: So the next day she confronts doctor Schneberger and goes,
Speaker 1: what the hell was that drug you gave me last night?
Speaker 3: And he goes, why did it give you bad dreams?
Speaker 1: So's she knew immediately that he was trying to cover
Speaker 1: his tracks, like with when he said that like that
Speaker 1: he was trying to make it seem like she had
Speaker 1: hallucinated this. So like they have interviews with her parents
Speaker 1: were like they're just very Canadian.
Speaker 3: They're like, I was really hoping it wasn't true.
Speaker 1: A like every they have like a lot of a's,
Speaker 1: and it's just like I always think that that's exaggerated
Speaker 1: because I have a lot of Canadian friends who don't
Speaker 1: say A. But these people are very Canadian in this
Speaker 1: some thing, and they're very sweet people.
Speaker 3: But anyway, the.
Speaker 1: Parents could tell from her face they believed her immediately.
Speaker 1: They could tell something was up, which I just like
Speaker 1: love supportive parents.
Speaker 3: So Candy knew she couldn't.
Speaker 1: Go back to get like a test at that hospital
Speaker 1: on her like body, So she drives to Regina rhymes
Speaker 1: with vagina. I don't know why they don't call themselves
Speaker 1: Regina And that's a two hour drive away. So she
Speaker 1: drives herself two hours away to go to a rape
Speaker 1: clinic for testing. They find semen on her jeans, in
Speaker 1: her underwear and in a vaginal swab, so very like
Speaker 1: smart that she drove there probably without showering or anything.
Speaker 1: She just like really wanted to know if this happened,
Speaker 1: or if she was imagining it like she wasn't.
Speaker 4: She was pretty positive.
Speaker 1: But you know, and they find the exact same drug
Speaker 1: they use in the episode verse said in her system,
Speaker 1: which is this pre anesthetic agent that's supposed to like,
Speaker 1: you know, loosen you up and make you sort of
Speaker 1: numb before I think you get fully put under, and
Speaker 1: so you're still semi conscious.
Speaker 3: So many people in the town believe that Candy was lying.
Speaker 1: It's this small town, it's this typical thing of he
Speaker 1: is this respected doctor and a respected member of the community.
Speaker 1: Candy's like a twenty three year old girl, apparently prone
Speaker 1: to emotional outbursts. She's an unwed mother and has a
Speaker 1: reputation as a party girl. I mean, okay, whatever.
Speaker 2: I just saw a Instagram quote that said, how come
Speaker 2: this like single mothers are the ones vilified when they're
Speaker 2: the parent that stayed. Hmmm yeah, patriarchy, Like why are
Speaker 2: we not mad that these people that are leaving their kids?
Speaker 1: So yeah, so they thought all these people thought that
Speaker 1: Candy was in it for a relationship with the doctor,
Speaker 1: like they wanted to have her, like she was what
Speaker 1: blackmailing him into a relationship, or that she was in
Speaker 1: it for money, and like people, like I said, people
Speaker 1: were suspicious, she didn't say anything to the nurses.
Speaker 3: I think that's complete bullshit.
Speaker 1: And then, much like in this episode with Pastor Skip,
Speaker 1: doctor Schneberger willingly agrees to give blood for the DNA
Speaker 1: tests and it doesn't match, and Candy's like, that's impossible,
Speaker 1: but she would not let this issue died. She insisted
Speaker 1: that someone had tampered with the DNA test that was
Speaker 1: ninety two.
Speaker 3: He agreed to a second test in ninety three, which
Speaker 3: was monitored by the police.
Speaker 1: Once again, the DNA did not match the DNA on
Speaker 1: the rape kit, and the doctor had said that versaid
Speaker 1: can cause erotic hallucinations. And then there's a senior prosecutor
Speaker 1: in the forensic files who goes, yeah, but it can't
Speaker 1: produce semen, So like, how did this semen get inside
Speaker 1: of her? That's like not her boyfriends, and like she
Speaker 1: you know, she doesn't know whose it is, so the
Speaker 1: town is not being kind to can't and that's making
Speaker 1: me very mad. But she hires a private investigator who
Speaker 1: breaks into Schneberger's car, love it. He finds hair samples
Speaker 1: but with no root attached, so they can't be used
Speaker 1: for a test, and like they'll often do this in
Speaker 1: SVU where they find a hair like just you know,
Speaker 1: lying somewhere or like in a carpet or in a
Speaker 1: hair brush, and I guess in a hairbrush it's more
Speaker 1: likely to find a hair with a root. But I
Speaker 1: think people don't really know commonly that not every hair
Speaker 1: can be examined, like you can only get DNA off
Speaker 1: of hair with a root. So this private investigator also
Speaker 1: finds a tube of chapstick in the re enactment ites
Speaker 1: that old school like chapstick, Like, what is that brand?
Speaker 1: Even like the black you know it's the black kind,
Speaker 1: that's the classic chapstick medicated. I think, yeah, it's just like, yeah,
Speaker 1: the classic chapstick. But is that a brand or is
Speaker 1: it called chapstick? It's Chapstick the brand.
Speaker 3: I know that.
Speaker 2: Chapstick does have a black container, but I don't know
Speaker 2: if there are other black containers. They'll put lubricants on
Speaker 2: the market, lip lubricants. Chapstick is the brand, Okay, so
Speaker 2: it's the classic brand of chopstick. Which this is like
Speaker 2: the bird thing. Don't buy classic? What are you doing?
Speaker 2: Get a strawberry? I get the red I get the cherry,
Speaker 2: of course.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so Candy has the chopstick at her own expense.
Speaker 1: She pays for the cells on the lip bomb the
Speaker 1: chopstick to get tested and they match. So now in
Speaker 1: her mind she just knows that she's right about what happened,
Speaker 1: which is probably a great victory for her. But of
Speaker 1: course they can't use this evidence in it's inadmissible because
Speaker 1: the investigator broke into the car. So now we have
Speaker 1: to figure out, like why the DNA from the lips
Speaker 1: is different from the DNA in the blood. Candy filed
Speaker 1: a civil suit. She sat across from Schneberger's wife, Lisa,
Speaker 1: who just glared at her the whole time, like this woman,
Speaker 1: lisas like you're ruining my life and just like giving
Speaker 1: her death stare the entire time. In nineteen ninety six,
Speaker 1: Schneberger agrees to take another test, so this is four
Speaker 1: years later.
Speaker 4: This was videotaped by police.
Speaker 1: And performed in their lab, and i've the video is
Speaker 1: in this forensic files. The tech wants to take blood
Speaker 1: from his finger, but he says he has a disease
Speaker 1: that would cause his hands to bruise. Like boo fucking
Speaker 1: who take the prick out of your finger, like, I
Speaker 1: really don't care if you get a bruised hand. And
Speaker 1: it's a voluntary test, so they can't force him to
Speaker 1: do anything he doesn't want to do, so she takes
Speaker 1: it from his left arm instead. The needle goes in
Speaker 1: and nothing comes out, and the tech actually said it
Speaker 1: was weird because the vein looked larger than expected. But
Speaker 1: then eventually they do get some blood out, and the
Speaker 1: tick said it's weird because the blood didn't look fresh,
Speaker 1: and then when they tested it it was determined to
Speaker 1: be too degraded.
Speaker 4: So she's really pissed off.
Speaker 1: She says, quote, they have to follow the rules of
Speaker 1: the Canadian justice system. I like to call it the
Speaker 1: Canadian criminal system because that's what it is.
Speaker 3: The criminals have all the rights. So she's pissed.
Speaker 1: Because now we're going on like five years that this
Speaker 1: case has not like had no break, and she's positive
Speaker 1: it's this guy. So in ninety seven, five years after
Speaker 1: the rape, the police do get a break, a tragic break,
Speaker 1: a horrible break. Schneberger's step daughter, his wife's child, claims
Speaker 1: that the doctor has been assaulting her in the same
Speaker 1: manner for years, that he's been coming into her room
Speaker 1: at night giving her injections. The wife believes the daughter immediately,
Speaker 1: which is great because she did not believe Candy, and
Speaker 1: she discovers a box full of condoms, needles, and drugs,
Speaker 1: including versaid, in the doctor's home office. So they get
Speaker 1: one quote from Lisa where she said, I blame myself.
Speaker 1: I still blame myself, and Candy was mad because she's like,
Speaker 1: I've been trying to prevent this. I knew he would
Speaker 1: do this to someone else, and like no one was
Speaker 1: listening to me, and everyone thought I was like this
Speaker 1: town slut who just wanted to be in a relationship
Speaker 1: with a doctor. So he was arrested and had to
Speaker 1: do another DNA test again videotaped, but I think this time,
Speaker 1: because he's arrested, they can take whatever they want. So
Speaker 1: they get hair, saliva, blood samples this time from his finger,
Speaker 1: not his arm, and all of the DNA samples they
Speaker 1: take match Candy's rape kit. Okay, so then we still
Speaker 1: don't know how did he do this. Obviously, if you
Speaker 1: watch USVU, you kind of know how he did it.
Speaker 1: But he reveals his secret on the stand in nineteen
Speaker 1: ninety nine, he goes to on trial for the rape
Speaker 1: of Candy and his stepdaughter, and on the stand he
Speaker 1: says he surgically inserted the plastic tube into his arm
Speaker 1: filled with blood from one of his patients, and that's
Speaker 1: why he always insisted on his left arm being where
Speaker 1: he took the blood from. In the video of the
Speaker 1: third DNA test, the one where the blood was too degraded,
Speaker 1: they actually go back and replay it and you can
Speaker 1: see that he only pulls his sleeve up so high
Speaker 1: so that you can't see the suture. But at one point,
Speaker 1: when he thought nobody was really around, he kind of
Speaker 1: lifted his sleeve up even farther, and you can see
Speaker 1: the whole tube protruding from his arm, Like you can
Speaker 1: see it coming out. But no one would have looked
Speaker 1: at that, Like no one would have been looking at
Speaker 1: like the footage of him by himself in the waiting room,
Speaker 1: like before the tech came in, you know. So by
Speaker 1: the time that third test was done, the blood in
Speaker 1: the tube had become so old and dark, and that's
Speaker 1: why it had been degraded and like couldn't be used.
Speaker 1: So this man is so psychotic he would not admit
Speaker 1: to raping Candy. He alleged that Candy broke into his home,
Speaker 1: stole a used condom, framed the entire rape, Like did
Speaker 1: the whole rape as a charade to frame him. It's like, okay, dog,
Speaker 1: whatever you say. Well, I just don't understand what's this
Speaker 1: vendetta she has against you? You delivered her child, you're
Speaker 1: her doctor, Like, what's the problem. It makes no sense.
Speaker 1: And so he said he did what he did because
Speaker 1: he had no other way to defend himself, Like she
Speaker 1: was going to get away with this charge, and so
Speaker 1: like I had to try to beat it. Okay, So
Speaker 1: they get a really funny quote from Candy, like the
Speaker 1: whole time you're watching some forensic files, like you feel
Speaker 1: bad for Candy, but you're also like very like I
Speaker 1: was very admiring of her, like because she seems like
Speaker 1: such a strong woman, Like she goes.
Speaker 3: I was a bulldog on the stand. I kicked his
Speaker 3: lawyer's ass.
Speaker 1: He's supposed to be the best lawyer in Saskatchewan, while
Speaker 1: I showed him whose boss. Like she was just really
Speaker 1: really cute and funny, and she was right all along,
Speaker 1: and she was so determined. And he was found guilty
Speaker 1: of sexual assaultings her drugging, unobstructing justice, and all all
Speaker 1: these supporters of a Candy and Lisa were in the
Speaker 1: when he got taken away after they were all clapping
Speaker 1: and yelling by John, which reminds me of that other
Speaker 1: case where they were like bye like her friends in
Speaker 1: the courtroom. He was sentenced to six years in prison,
Speaker 1: which I think is insane for how calculated and diabolical
Speaker 1: this plot was, like they just let a guy out
Speaker 1: of prison for twenty dollars of weed in the US
Speaker 1: who was in there for twelve years. I mean, I
Speaker 1: know our system is by no means perfect, but Canada,
Speaker 1: you got to give somebody more than six years in
Speaker 1: prison for this. They said the sentence was lenient even
Speaker 1: by Canadian standards. The judge found Schneburger guilty of assaulting Candy,
Speaker 1: but because Lydia couldn't remember the assaults due to the anesthetic,
Speaker 1: she dismissed that charge. So she found Schneberger guilty of
Speaker 1: injecting his stepdaughter with anesthetic, so he got that. He
Speaker 1: got the injections or like the drugging charge for that,
Speaker 1: but not the sexual assault. His total sentence was six
Speaker 1: years with possibility of parole. In two, which is insane.
Speaker 1: But during her forensic file's interview, Candy gets a call
Speaker 1: that Schneberger has been denied parole, and it's just so
Speaker 1: cute because she's so happy. She's like, whoa, this is
Speaker 1: a great moment for me, Like she's just really excited
Speaker 1: that she just got this news on the phone. There's
Speaker 1: some forensic files by the way, it's called bad Blood
Speaker 1: if you want to check it out. That was in
Speaker 1: two thousand and one where he was denied a parole.
Speaker 1: And then what's a little bit crazy. I just wanted
Speaker 1: to mention this side note. The Canadian courts forced Lisa
Speaker 1: to take her two daughters because she had two biological
Speaker 1: daughters with Schneeberger, aged five and six, to visit him
Speaker 1: in prison. She kept appealing and appealing and being like,
Speaker 1: I do not want to take my daughters to see
Speaker 1: their pedophile father, and like she kept losing where they
Speaker 1: said she had to. So she actually started working with
Speaker 1: politicians to pass a law in Canada called Lisa's Law
Speaker 1: that would stop children from being forced into a relationship
Speaker 1: with a convicted pedophile parent. I googled and googled and
Speaker 1: could not find out whether Lisa's law had actually been like,
Speaker 1: I found some documents of it from Canada, but I
Speaker 1: can't tell if it's been passed. And this was in
Speaker 1: two thousand and three, so I don't know whether it
Speaker 1: actually happened or not. So if you're a Canadian listener
Speaker 1: involved with the law and you know if Lisa's law
Speaker 1: actually got passed, please let us know. Lisa also, even
Speaker 1: though she was glaring at Candy and being kind of
Speaker 1: a bitch, she really like immediately realized what our monster,
Speaker 1: her husband was. She divorced him immediately and then went
Speaker 1: to work on getting him deported. She argued that if
Speaker 1: he hadn't faked his blood sample, he would have been
Speaker 1: convicted and never gotten his citizenship, because he got his
Speaker 1: citizenship during the investigation.
Speaker 3: Where is he from?
Speaker 1: He's from Africa, He's actually front He's Rhodesian, which I
Speaker 1: believe is Zimbabwe now.
Speaker 3: And he was deported eventually back to South.
Speaker 1: Africa where he lives with his mother. In two thousand
Speaker 1: and three, he was denied parol again, but then later
Speaker 1: in two thousand and three he was released, having served
Speaker 1: four out of the six years so for raping this
Speaker 1: woman while she was barely conscious and raping his teenage daughter,
Speaker 1: a stepdaughter for years. He got four years in prison,
Speaker 1: which is disgusting.
Speaker 2: But well, you also know how like if you're a
Speaker 2: professional boxer or something and you punch someone, you are
Speaker 2: sent like the crime is heavier because you have body
Speaker 2: is a weapon. Like that should be the case with doctors.
Speaker 2: Like if you have a job where you're trusted and
Speaker 2: you're supposed to help the community, like you should get
Speaker 2: in trouble for breaking that code.
Speaker 4: I don't know, no, I totally agree.
Speaker 1: And he was of course stripped of his medical license
Speaker 1: in Canada and was deported back to South Africa in
Speaker 1: two thousand and four and tried to register as the
Speaker 1: doctor there but then suddenly withdrew his application. And now
Speaker 1: and then all I have found is articles from two
Speaker 1: thousand and four that say he lives with his mom.
Speaker 1: You cannot find any recent information about him in like
Speaker 1: the past like sixteen years.
Speaker 2: And then I don't know if you're going to get
Speaker 2: to this, but I remember this episode of Forensic Files
Speaker 2: and they were interviewing the people from the town that
Speaker 2: even with all this evidence and conviction, were still on
Speaker 2: the doctor's side.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, Afterwards they said that like Candy's like some
Speaker 1: people in town still believe I set this whole thing up,
Speaker 1: and like, I don't really care. I'm like, Candy, you're
Speaker 1: too good for Kipling, Saskatchewan. Get the hell out of there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: come visit us.
Speaker 2: No, Candy is a fucking badass, and the fact that
Speaker 2: she kept pushing and went so far out of her
Speaker 2: way to catch this guy is really amazing.
Speaker 4: Yeah, because I think it took seven years.
Speaker 1: It took seven years from the crime to the guilty verdict,
Speaker 1: and I think people a lot of people would have
Speaker 1: given up, and rightfully so, not to judge anyone that
Speaker 1: does give up, because a lot of times you just
Speaker 1: think this system's not going to work for me. But
Speaker 1: luckily it did work out, and he unfortunately is fucking free,
Speaker 1: but he can't practice medicine anymore, so hopefully he doesn't
Speaker 1: have access to victims.
Speaker 3: But that's that story. Wild case.
Speaker 2: And I wonder if this case has inspired other lunatics
Speaker 2: to do this too blood thing or people have gotten
Speaker 2: away with it. It's just a real like there needs
Speaker 2: to be some kind of rule where you have to
Speaker 2: take your clothes fully off to give blood. I don't know,
Speaker 2: but this is insane.
Speaker 1: Well, it's so crazy to me too that this guy
Speaker 1: like did three tess He almost beat three tests. I
Speaker 1: mean he did beat three tests. Technically the last one
Speaker 1: was degraded. And it's weird that he wouldn't know enough
Speaker 1: to just like replace the blood for the third test,
Speaker 1: Like he was using the same batch blood.
Speaker 3: It was the same tube every time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the same tube three times, which is why I
Speaker 1: think within a year it worked. But then the next
Speaker 1: test was a couple of years later, and like at
Speaker 1: this point that blood's like a few years old, and it.
Speaker 3: Was like the tech in the day they had they
Speaker 3: show the.
Speaker 1: Tech like talking in the forensic files like to I guess,
Speaker 1: doing video notes, and she's like, I don't know. The
Speaker 1: blood looked kind of like I don't know how to
Speaker 1: say this, like not fresh like so, and that's a
Speaker 1: person that draws blood all the time, so I guess
Speaker 1: they know.
Speaker 2: But then the blood wouldn't match unless he had it
Speaker 2: from the same person.
Speaker 4: Right, That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: But if it's the same I guess I thought, like, oh,
Speaker 1: if it's the same patient, so you have like kind
Speaker 1: of a little stockpile of their blood that you're keeping
Speaker 1: in a fridge somewhere, if you're such a if you're
Speaker 1: a doctor and you came up with this crazy plan,
Speaker 1: keep a little stockpile of the blood.
Speaker 2: And I would like to know if the nurse said
Speaker 2: her up and this was a partnered situation, like why
Speaker 2: would you, why would.
Speaker 3: You even suggest it?
Speaker 1: And I mean, there's just no way to know that
Speaker 1: he's she's the only victim, Like Candace and the actual Lisa,
Speaker 1: the wife said, you know, he always wanted to give
Speaker 1: our kids injections whenever they had like headaches or anything
Speaker 1: like that. She was always like, what about like aspirin
Speaker 1: and he'd be like, this is faster. So he was
Speaker 1: like very injection happy. And I think that's like just
Speaker 1: really freaky to me that this guy just wanted to
Speaker 1: like sedate people all the time.
Speaker 2: And it just shows you, no matter how much evidence,
Speaker 2: there are people that are.
Speaker 3: Just like, he didn't do it.
Speaker 1: I don't know what to tell you, Like, yes, she
Speaker 1: went into his home, took an old condom, somehow got
Speaker 1: it way deep up inside of her.
Speaker 3: It's just crazy. Kara, thank you for telling us all
Speaker 3: about that case. It is truly messed up. Did you
Speaker 3: guys like that.
Speaker 4: We'll be right back with an interview for the Ages.
Speaker 3: Lisa. I don't even know how to introduce this next guest.
Speaker 1: She literally when we've done a poll on our instagram
Speaker 1: of who is everybody's favorite Adas, she is one of
Speaker 1: the tops that people choose. She spent several seasons on
Speaker 1: this show, blowing us away as an assistant district attorney.
Speaker 1: You can also catch her in the upcoming Lifetime movie
Speaker 1: Circle of Deception. We are beyond thrilled to share our
Speaker 1: conversation with Casey Novak aka Diane Neil. So let me
Speaker 1: ask about your like SVU journey. Like, we know obviously
Speaker 1: that you were in an episode previous to being Casey
Speaker 1: Novak where you were Amelia Chase right.
Speaker 5: And kind of like everyone that's ever been on an
Speaker 5: episode of sp right, like everyone, yeah, I see was
Speaker 5: in the weird movie.
Speaker 1: But people always dm us because they don't. They're like,
Speaker 1: I just saw Novak as a different character, or They'll
Speaker 1: be like I just saw Rollins as a rape victim,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, yeah, yeah, Like do you guys know,
Speaker 1: Like I think they're always surprised when like a regular
Speaker 1: has been on before.
Speaker 5: You know, that's totally true. I thought. The weirdest though,
Speaker 5: was on the Mothership.
Speaker 6: I don't know if you guys are into the Mothership,
Speaker 6: but when like Jeremy Sisto was like a cop and
Speaker 6: then just came back at the end of the next
Speaker 6: season as a different human being and a lawyer.
Speaker 1: And I was like, what, Yeah, that's like that takes
Speaker 1: me out of it a little bit.
Speaker 6: No, So that episode that I was the rapist and
Speaker 6: the murderer, it was crazy because I had it was
Speaker 6: like my first big gig.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like I was looking at your IMDb and I
Speaker 1: was like, oh, this seems like it was kind of
Speaker 1: one of her first things.
Speaker 5: Oh that was that was like it. And I had
Speaker 5: no idea what I was doing.
Speaker 6: I didn't know like what marks were on the ground.
Speaker 6: I didn't know like basics.
Speaker 4: You would never know. You seemed like a pro.
Speaker 2: Yeah you have this one look when you're sitting what
Speaker 2: is it the table with the lawyer and yeah, you
Speaker 2: make this evil sexual face that is so good.
Speaker 5: Oh my god.
Speaker 6: And the crazy part is I was like twenty two.
Speaker 6: I had no idea what I was doing. And the
Speaker 6: worst is and this is totally true, and so I
Speaker 6: hope nobody's saved this one before, but it's the first
Speaker 6: scene that I shot in that first episode was on
Speaker 6: Fifth Avenue in like fifty seventh street.
Speaker 5: I don't know why. It was like an exterior with
Speaker 5: Munch and Finn. And the problem with.
Speaker 6: Like Ice in Belzer is like they're so recognizable and
Speaker 6: for so long and from everything that happened in their
Speaker 6: entire careers before SPU.
Speaker 5: So every time.
Speaker 6: They'd yell action and I'd walk out this building door.
Speaker 5: You know, home like a murderer. And I don't know
Speaker 5: how murders walk with that. It's my impression. And somebody
Speaker 5: you're like you eyes sort of like hard Bowzer cut.
Speaker 3: That's crazy because I always think about that.
Speaker 1: I'm like, I know they can block off streets to
Speaker 1: stop people, but how can they stop people from yelling?
Speaker 5: And like you know, oh my god, no they can't.
Speaker 6: At the amount of adr that you do in the show,
Speaker 6: which is like you know, waist overloving, some people are
Speaker 6: how like it's where like the sound got messed up
Speaker 6: when you're filming and so you have to go and
Speaker 6: lip sync with yourself on like a big screen and
Speaker 6: it's super weird. But well, there's so much adr in it.
Speaker 6: Because yeah, everyone on the streets, they're just you'll.
Speaker 5: Like, yo, yeah, yeah, every much just screenings constantly.
Speaker 1: That's so funny because I recognized where you were. I
Speaker 1: was like, oh, they're kind of near Rockefellers set. They're
Speaker 1: like a little bit near Rockefeller Center, and I know
Speaker 1: where they are, and I noticed in that scene specifically
Speaker 1: how many people there were.
Speaker 3: I just feel like, I felt like the street was
Speaker 3: super super busy.
Speaker 5: Oh it was like the middle of the day in Midtown,
Speaker 5: Like it was nuts.
Speaker 6: But like so like fifty takes, it was like my
Speaker 6: first scene, and like you know how you just get
Speaker 6: progressively more nervous by the time. Like I walked out
Speaker 6: the door the one we actually got, I was like
Speaker 6: a monster, like twitching hands were claws.
Speaker 5: Like everything everything was bad.
Speaker 6: I was like where the director pulled me aside and
Speaker 6: he's like and he's still a friend of mine. He's
Speaker 6: this awesome dude named Gus Mackris, and he's just like, hey, Diane,
Speaker 6: can you just maybe act like a human, just say
Speaker 6: the words like a human, just you know, look and
Speaker 6: walk and act like a human. I'll do my best,
Speaker 6: like speak like a human too.
Speaker 3: I'm like, okay, you know, it's like, I'll do what
Speaker 3: I can.
Speaker 5: It was so stressful.
Speaker 1: So then how did it come about you coming back
Speaker 1: like seasons later to be Casey.
Speaker 4: Did they offer it to you?
Speaker 3: Did you have to audition? Like what was that process?
Speaker 5: It was crazy? So it was like a year and
Speaker 5: a half.
Speaker 6: Later, and it was like, you guys know pilot season,
Speaker 6: pilot and I'm older than you guys are, but when
Speaker 6: pilot season back in the day, so he used to
Speaker 6: book the dramas first, and then the comedies of the
Speaker 6: book first, and then like I had a show in first, second,
Speaker 6: and third position right where I get to star and
Speaker 6: which was so much fun.
Speaker 5: But anyway, none of them go to series.
Speaker 6: But the main one was on NBC and Stephanie was
Speaker 6: leaving SPU and so they're like, we want to bring
Speaker 6: her into audition for this, and so it was really crazy.
Speaker 6: My friend Cody Depablo plagues e n CIS. So Cody
Speaker 6: remembers this. I don't remember this, but apparently it was
Speaker 6: three of us in the waiting room. It was me,
Speaker 6: Cody de Pablo and someone else for like the final
Speaker 6: audition and go in and I remember doing it, and
Speaker 6: then I remember leaving and I remember thinking it was
Speaker 6: the worst audition I'd ever.
Speaker 5: Had, like ever.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 5: I was like, wow, just shit.
Speaker 6: You might allowed to yeah, okay, all right, but like
Speaker 6: I was like, wow, I shit the bed like I
Speaker 6: shit the bed, like I shpit the bed.
Speaker 5: I rolled around in the shit in my bed.
Speaker 6: Then I wore it as a cape and went outside
Speaker 6: and showed everyone my shitty sheets like just bad.
Speaker 5: I was like, well that's that. And I didn't hear
Speaker 5: anything for weeks.
Speaker 3: Wow, yeah it was.
Speaker 5: It was weird.
Speaker 6: So I just figured, obviously, that's not happening. Like I
Speaker 6: didn't think twice about it after walking out of the room,
Speaker 6: to be honest, because it was.
Speaker 1: Like, you like, train yourself when I was auditioning all
Speaker 1: the time in New York, I just trained.
Speaker 3: Myself to forget about it the second I walked out.
Speaker 2: Of the room.
Speaker 1: Right immediately, I was like, and then if I get
Speaker 1: a call, it'll be a nice surprise.
Speaker 6: Right, I assume you get nothing if it happens, and
Speaker 6: it's like, hey, so.
Speaker 5: Anyway, I get this call out of the blue. They're like,
Speaker 5: do you want the job?
Speaker 6: And so you know, they're like, look, they're only going
Speaker 6: to pay this much, which was you know, TV minimum wage.
Speaker 5: But it's like, but it's already on the air, right.
Speaker 6: So it's better than the pilots that you're doing that
Speaker 6: you make a fortune but never go anywhere.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 6: So I'm like, and I really don't like LA, Like
Speaker 6: I like, I detested on a cellular level.
Speaker 5: I don't know if it's just the sunshine. I mean,
Speaker 5: you see how pale I am. I'm like, it's horrifying.
Speaker 6: So I h I was like, yeah, I get to
Speaker 6: stay here and be on a really good show with
Speaker 6: really good people.
Speaker 5: And then it.
Speaker 6: Was nuts because like you go and then you start
Speaker 6: to and work with starting in like a week, and
Speaker 6: I was like, oh yeah, all right, and.
Speaker 5: Then they have you do all the promo photos. But
Speaker 5: the best is they have you do the promo photos
Speaker 5: and then they pull you out. So then they would
Speaker 5: just have like marish getting you know, just in case
Speaker 5: you didn't work out.
Speaker 6: They're like, you know, like just let's just cover our basis.
Speaker 6: We don't want to do another photo shoot, Like all right, yeah,
Speaker 6: you just.
Speaker 5: Come on out of there.
Speaker 6: So it was like a really kind of the greatest
Speaker 6: thing in the universe about being on SBU and starting
Speaker 6: So I was like twenty four, maybe twenty five.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was only yeah, if it was only a
Speaker 1: couple of years later season five, Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 6: It was just it was just one of those things
Speaker 6: that I'm really happy that it happened.
Speaker 5: But all the.
Speaker 6: Things I knew about episodic television were things I learned
Speaker 6: from like Extra and Access Hollywood, and zero percent of
Speaker 6: that was true.
Speaker 1: Had you watched any of the first four seasons of SBU, No,
Speaker 1: I was like way more of.
Speaker 6: Like a South Park kind of family guy. I like
Speaker 6: stupid things, you know, I like things that make me laugh.
Speaker 3: No, I mean we like stupid things too, just because
Speaker 3: we love them.
Speaker 6: It's true, it's true, But it's like it was cracks
Speaker 6: because sometimes, like if you meet like a super fan,
Speaker 6: you'd be like, oh, man, whish do you like more
Speaker 6: the rape or the murder?
Speaker 3: Which one?
Speaker 5: Because it's like, Wow, it's really kind of a creepy show.
Speaker 5: You used to get me a nightmare? Totally would give
Speaker 5: me nightmares.
Speaker 1: No, there are parts of the show leads and I
Speaker 1: talk about all the time that haunt us like to
Speaker 1: this day, like very very traumatic parts of it. But
Speaker 1: it is like it's such a cult like show people
Speaker 1: are obsessed with it and we are part of those people.
Speaker 6: I totally get I get it. By the way, the
Speaker 6: one that still gives me nightmares is Ritual. The episode Ritual.
Speaker 3: Is that what the guy from Lost with the boy?
Speaker 5: I don't know if it's I never watched Lost either. Sorry.
Speaker 3: He was like an art gallery, like African art dealer.
Speaker 6: Yes, oh yes, yes, yes, and they made it look
Speaker 6: like Santorrio or some kind of thing. But they were
Speaker 6: murdering these sex slave children that they and he was.
Speaker 1: Bringing them over and then eventually, yes, I just watched
Speaker 1: that one the other day.
Speaker 3: Isn't that crazy? I just watched it for fun the
Speaker 3: other day.
Speaker 5: Dude, Dude, I read the script and I was like, ooo,
Speaker 5: it gave me full on nightmares.
Speaker 1: Like the wife, Like when the wife realizes that her
Speaker 1: husband is doing this, that is like that is a
Speaker 1: really crazy.
Speaker 5: Oh my god, it's so the whole thing is insane,
Speaker 5: and which I nuts.
Speaker 6: It's like people are so fucked dumb, like this shit
Speaker 6: really happened.
Speaker 4: That's what our podcast is about.
Speaker 3: I mean, it's about the real people.
Speaker 1: Like we you know, we do an episode and then
Speaker 1: we talk about the true crime that it's based off of.
Speaker 6: Well, I mean like, okay, so this is I don't
Speaker 6: know which episode this one's for, You'll have to tell me,
Speaker 6: but like the crazy part about this when we read
Speaker 6: we had to read through of ritual. I turned to
Speaker 6: Neil Bhaer, who was the executive producer, and I was like, I.
Speaker 5: Was like, Neil, this is insane.
Speaker 6: He's like, yeah, it's the third biggest money maker on Earth,
Speaker 6: human trafficking in the black market.
Speaker 5: It's drugs, it's guns, and then it's humans.
Speaker 6: And I was just like, hol you know, like my
Speaker 6: twenty four year old mind or whatever at the time
Speaker 6: twenty five like blown out of my head because it
Speaker 6: was just it was it was horrifying, horrifying to think.
Speaker 2: About the episode that this interview will be with. Is
Speaker 2: your first episode Serendipity, Serendipity Honey the Honey Rapist.
Speaker 5: Do you want to hear something crazy about that episode?
Speaker 3: Yes? Please?
Speaker 5: Okay, So my hair in.
Speaker 6: Real life this is the this Wow it looks really
Speaker 6: I'm just like like just a face this we'll be
Speaker 6: doing like if anyone can home see I look like
Speaker 6: I'm wearing like a black turtle neck and I'm in
Speaker 6: all darkness and just my face as light.
Speaker 5: It's kind of creepy, it's gross.
Speaker 6: But my hair is naturally strawberry blonde, and you know
Speaker 6: kind of that that medium jew frash, you know where
Speaker 6: it has to be straightened or it has to be curled,
Speaker 6: but you can't kind of really leave it. It's not
Speaker 6: like a cool you can't get curls or anything out
Speaker 6: of it. It's just but it's really long and it's
Speaker 6: really blonde. So like when I went back, like in
Speaker 6: twenty twelve, that's my hair.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we were wondering about that. We were like, what
Speaker 1: your hair was so dark at the beginning.
Speaker 6: They chopped it off and then dyed it that purply red.
Speaker 3: It's really wild.
Speaker 6: And so like when the first episode aired, like my
Speaker 6: friends and stuff were calling and no one was saying
Speaker 6: anything about like acting ability or anything like that.
Speaker 7: All they would talk about is like, what the fuck
Speaker 7: happened to your hair?
Speaker 3: Dude?
Speaker 6: What they do to your hair and you look like
Speaker 6: your fifth I'm like whatever, man.
Speaker 1: It was funny because there was also just like pieces
Speaker 1: that are curled and like other.
Speaker 3: Pieces that are straight. It's just funny.
Speaker 5: It look like a water buffalo.
Speaker 1: But when you come back later, your hair is great
Speaker 1: when it's your natural color. I guess that's like goes
Speaker 1: to show, like when you stick with like what's natural
Speaker 1: like that you look your hair looks great in those seasons.
Speaker 6: Yeah, well it's weird because they would change it every
Speaker 6: season too. And there was one season I called the
Speaker 6: Honeybun year where it was just up in these very
Speaker 6: elaborate like it was misdeus.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it was really weird.
Speaker 6: And they did one year one season where it was
Speaker 6: what I call potato chip blonde because it looks like
Speaker 6: a baked laze.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, they made you really really blonde and like
Speaker 1: it was a little bit crispy.
Speaker 6: Oh man, did my head hurt because they it was
Speaker 6: it was rough because you know, we have red in
Speaker 6: your hair. Trying to get that out to make it
Speaker 6: potato chippy so hard.
Speaker 2: So were these all their decisions or were you like, hey,
Speaker 2: can I go blonde?
Speaker 3: Or they were very Oh you know I.
Speaker 6: Wasn't even allowed to wear chapstick unless I was given permission.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I know, like I did other people pick, but
Speaker 6: that's what you get paid for.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: One of our favorite wardrobe moments is your softball outfit.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Sex Crimes. I love that.
Speaker 4: We're obsessed with the sex crime Softball team.
Speaker 5: Okay, you know what, we need.
Speaker 6: To have some of these made because I had the
Speaker 6: real one from the show forever because guess what, Apparently
Speaker 6: that is exactly what was on the Brooklyn SVU NYPD shirts.
Speaker 5: It said sex crimes.
Speaker 6: So that was Amanda Green co producer and writer Amanda
Speaker 6: Green because she was a real employee of the real
Speaker 6: SVU in Brooklyn where she started working for the show.
Speaker 5: That was their softball tea. So I was like, that's incredible.
Speaker 2: So was there a lot of writers that were former
Speaker 2: law enforcement tons.
Speaker 5: So like you guys, don't you guys probably don't even
Speaker 5: know this.
Speaker 6: Do you want to hear like a super secret's not
Speaker 6: even super but nobody knows.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and she is still one of my.
Speaker 6: Closest friends and we worked together on all kinds of stuff.
Speaker 6: Hopefully we'll have a true crime movie coming out soon.
Speaker 6: But do you know the writer Christine torres No, So
Speaker 6: she wrote the one I Came Back?
Speaker 5: She was a stage Yeah, look her up.
Speaker 6: She's a staff writer the last few seasons, like before
Speaker 6: Warren Light took over a showrunner. She's the real Novak Oh,
Speaker 6: she's who my character is based on. So she's a
Speaker 6: real like prosecutor. She was an eighty a in Brooklyn
Speaker 6: DA's office.
Speaker 5: Wow.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I Mean what we hear the most from like actors
Speaker 1: when we interview them is like, how the show is
Speaker 1: such a like well oiled machine, but like you were
Speaker 1: also on sort of towards the beginning when it was
Speaker 1: probably still kind of finding that footing, you.
Speaker 5: Know, oh yeah, but they were also completely annoyed with me.
Speaker 5: I mean, like they could not have been because the next.
Speaker 6: Youngest person so you think I'm just like twenty four
Speaker 6: to twenty five, Like the next youngest person was Murushka,
Speaker 6: So it.
Speaker 5: Was wild so and I'm like, oh my god, like
Speaker 5: if I have this much energy, it was forty four,
Speaker 5: Like imagine a twenty four. I'm like, hey, guys, how's
Speaker 5: everybody doing? Wow, we're in the zeitgeist.
Speaker 3: This is so cool.
Speaker 5: Were you doing shoot this weekend?
Speaker 6: And no one else gives a damn because they'm go
Speaker 6: got kid, Like, no one wants to deal with this asshole.
Speaker 5: I'm just like, I love it. I love standing in
Speaker 5: for myself.
Speaker 6: I love being on set all the time, you know,
Speaker 6: just like a complete moron.
Speaker 5: But okay, perfect example. Do you guys know what hot
Speaker 5: American size?
Speaker 1: Of course, I've seen it at times a thousand times,
Speaker 1: a thousand times, right, So when I first get there,
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, that's what I know Maloney from.
Speaker 5: I don't know him from OZ. I don't know him from.
Speaker 4: Anything like making love to a refrigerator.
Speaker 5: Refrigerator.
Speaker 6: So I brought an open I would open it every morning,
Speaker 6: like i'd wake up.
Speaker 5: I'd open a can of.
Speaker 6: Mixed vegetables part way and I would take it to
Speaker 6: set with me and I would put it somewhere like.
Speaker 7: On his desk or like like six months, six months,
Speaker 7: go back and finally, and I swear to God, like
Speaker 7: you know, when he gets mad in those veins in
Speaker 7: the neck, like that big strung and.
Speaker 5: He's like.
Speaker 6: Right like just like whoa, like he's going to destroy
Speaker 6: everyone in his bath, I'm dying of laughter.
Speaker 5: And I'm like, oh my god, Chris, I do he's
Speaker 5: letting wha.
Speaker 6: I'm like, uh, dude, so simple wet, hot American summer.
Speaker 6: And he's like what I'm like, dude, I'm twenty.
Speaker 5: Five, and he's like, oh yeah, yeah, yeah, that makes sense.
Speaker 5: I completely calm down as completely normal. It was like
Speaker 5: six months of bit before.
Speaker 4: That's an amazing bit to come in.
Speaker 3: Oh my god.
Speaker 5: Well, you know the.
Speaker 6: Best part is is that every time he does something
Speaker 6: with like the Wet Hot American Summer cast, like Chris
Speaker 6: will text.
Speaker 5: Me a picture of him with the can of Mike Festival.
Speaker 7: So it's taken like twenty years, but he finally came around.
Speaker 1: He goes, no, I feel like I think that people
Speaker 1: that find that movie retroactively are like, he does comedy,
Speaker 1: and it's like he's so good at comedy.
Speaker 5: He's so funny. I used to make him do all
Speaker 5: the time, the one from Harold and Komber.
Speaker 6: Where he's like he plays freak show but he's like
Speaker 6: what lay Krista manally, you know, just all the time.
Speaker 4: I'm like, oh my god.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it sounds like everybody's really like kind of a
Speaker 1: jokester on the set a lot.
Speaker 5: Everyone's a jokester.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I really wanted to ask you this because we're like
Speaker 2: intense fans and love the show so much, but like,
Speaker 2: are people nuts to you on the streets?
Speaker 6: Okay, I'll give you like so like New York, you
Speaker 6: know how it is, you guys, both loved the people.
Speaker 3: To ignore the celebs in New York more, I feel you.
Speaker 6: Just get this all the time, which is kind of
Speaker 6: the greatest. Like if you're just waiting for like a
Speaker 6: light to change or something, people are like, hey, man,
Speaker 6: love you, and you're like thanks man, you know, like
Speaker 6: it's just I'm like, who in the world gets to
Speaker 6: have people tell them that, like I love.
Speaker 5: You, like all day.
Speaker 6: Like that just what blows me aware that all the
Speaker 6: people that recognize me with my mask on, I find
Speaker 6: that truly bizarre.
Speaker 4: That's crazy.
Speaker 1: Lisa one time recognized her favorite porn star with a
Speaker 1: mask on and sunglasses on.
Speaker 5: Is it is it Rocks Freddy?
Speaker 2: No, it's it's Nicky Hearts. She's like a butchery tattooed girl.
Speaker 2: Oh hello, Yeah.
Speaker 1: I just was very impressed with Lisa's ability that is.
Speaker 6: And by the way, that's not usually the part you're
Speaker 6: probably looking at, so like who knows, Like that's hard.
Speaker 6: But then there are other things like okay, you guys,
Speaker 6: I was home in Colorado and I was with a
Speaker 6: friend and we were like in the middle of like nowhere,
Speaker 6: you know, just like those tiny little towns, and like
Speaker 6: at the general store that just has you know, it
Speaker 6: sells everything in the universe. And I kid, you know,
Speaker 6: I don't know what we ate or where we ate it.
Speaker 6: But it was like a rumble in the Bronx. Like
Speaker 6: I was not okay, and we were miles and miles
Speaker 6: and miles.
Speaker 5: From anything, and I saw this little store.
Speaker 6: I'm like, I got like pepto because I'm probably gonna die,
Speaker 6: And this is like Wall spu is on. It was
Speaker 6: so crazy, Like I was seriously like then I had
Speaker 6: to use the restroom, and I did not leave it
Speaker 6: in a better condition, which is not my life rule.
Speaker 6: Like it was it was rough, right, But then I
Speaker 6: finally go up to the front and I get my
Speaker 6: They didn't have pep so you get like tongues and
Speaker 6: the girl looks up and she screams and she's.
Speaker 5: Like, hey, say now.
Speaker 6: Opened the back door and just ran. She just started running.
Speaker 6: I have no idea where she went. I finally just
Speaker 6: left a couple of bucks on the counter.
Speaker 5: I was like, I got something, go now. But like
Speaker 5: we were in.
Speaker 6: That part of Colorado where like I could have watched
Speaker 6: her run away for like three days, you know, like
Speaker 6: she was just.
Speaker 5: Going and going and going and going, Oh.
Speaker 3: My god, that's amazing.
Speaker 6: And it's weird because like I assume you guys didn't
Speaker 6: grow up with like celebrity parents or anything like that, right.
Speaker 5: Like totally.
Speaker 6: So for the first year, I thought I had like
Speaker 6: spinach in my teeth, like the entire year because I'm
Speaker 6: like Mari is looking at yeah, just constantly.
Speaker 5: I had no idea this is a really weird thing.
Speaker 3: That's awesome.
Speaker 7: Wow.
Speaker 1: Well, can we ask you a couple of like little
Speaker 1: SVU questions.
Speaker 5: You can ask me any question you want.
Speaker 2: Okay, Let's say you needed a detective asap.
Speaker 3: Which one would you like to show up in your doorstep?
Speaker 5: Stabler?
Speaker 4: Okay, okay, good, good, good answer.
Speaker 5: I mean like I'd be so Convinsing showed up too.
Speaker 6: But like if like I feel like Stabler has the
Speaker 6: bulk yes to take care of any kind of problem
Speaker 6: the physic out of every detective, like you know, no
Speaker 6: offense to Danny Pino anybody. But like Stabler was like
Speaker 6: something was going down, he could just like flex a titty, yeah,
Speaker 6: like knock people.
Speaker 3: Over so in shape? So true.
Speaker 1: Who would you have like of all these like characters,
Speaker 1: this could be side characters, judges, whatever, like was there, ever,
Speaker 1: anybody that you kind of wanted Novac to get romantically
Speaker 1: involved with.
Speaker 6: I thought there was like a little bit of a
Speaker 6: spark between Chester.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he flirted with you.
Speaker 5: Yeah, he was definitely like flirty.
Speaker 6: I think if they'd hung around for more than a minute,
Speaker 6: they like they would have hooked up.
Speaker 3: That Chester episode.
Speaker 2: I mean, that's the reason you lost the Novak stopped
Speaker 2: being able to be a lawyer for three years.
Speaker 5: I know, heartbreaking.
Speaker 2: So what do you think Novak did in those three years?
Speaker 5: Probably a lot of drugs? No, no, no, I Novak like,
Speaker 5: that's it.
Speaker 6: Chris and I always real Novak and I always joke
Speaker 6: about this because we have the exact same like overdeveloped
Speaker 6: sense of justice and kind of single mindedness for all
Speaker 6: this stuff, and we're always like dumbfounded by horrible.
Speaker 5: Things even though we know better. At this point. It's
Speaker 5: quite amusing. But Novak probably would have gone into private practice.
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's probably what she would have done, and then
Speaker 6: waited until she got to go back again.
Speaker 5: And if I had to guess, I'd be like, she's
Speaker 5: probably a judge.
Speaker 2: No, yeah, yeah, is there like a judge that you
Speaker 2: would see on the call? She or a defense attorney,
Speaker 2: and you would be like, Oh, we're gonna We're about
Speaker 2: to have a fun day today.
Speaker 6: Okay, he like it's again, not knocking anyone else, just
Speaker 6: the ones that come to mind.
Speaker 5: First, Judge Petrovsky.
Speaker 3: We are Judge Petrovski stands over here.
Speaker 6: All the way she is. She is like one of
Speaker 6: my personal life here, she's she's a Chekhov professor at
Speaker 6: NYU and yeah, no, she's truly one of the most
Speaker 6: amazing people. And we've stayed friends all these years. And
Speaker 6: then every time I would see Viola Davis, I was like,
Speaker 6: it's go time. Yes, it's go time.
Speaker 5: No.
Speaker 6: I would get so jazz because it was like the
Speaker 6: most fun thing in the world. Like, Viola is incredible
Speaker 6: and we have the same size feet. And she won
Speaker 6: her first Tony wearing a pair of shoes.
Speaker 5: That I gave her. Wow, Wow, that's pretty fancy. That
Speaker 5: was one of my favorites to see on the call sheet.
Speaker 6: It's tough because you know, I love Andy Potts, I
Speaker 6: love you right, Like, there's so many cool people that I'm.
Speaker 5: Just like, I love Peter Regert, you know, like I
Speaker 5: love like all.
Speaker 2: So let's say you did commit a crime and you
Speaker 2: needed a defense attorney.
Speaker 3: Who are you hiring?
Speaker 5: That's really hard because a lot of them are really slimy.
Speaker 1: I know the show makes defense attorneys look like the
Speaker 1: bad guys, which is funny.
Speaker 6: Yeah, so so grody, I might have to go with
Speaker 6: He was only in one episode, but also one of
Speaker 6: my favorite guest stars Carrie Elways.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, who like defended his kid, yes, Emily van
Speaker 1: Camp right, Oh yeah.
Speaker 5: I think so, Yes, he was.
Speaker 6: He was the only person that I ever got stars
Speaker 6: struck around that I couldn't spare.
Speaker 3: Were you like a big princess bride fan or I was?
Speaker 6: I think that's like you know when I was coming
Speaker 6: of age, you know when you first get tingly and
Speaker 6: like I was like.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I'm remembering it because he was a mob attorney.
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, he had a very interesting accent in that episode,
Speaker 1: like because I think he was doing like a New
Speaker 1: York accent.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it was super weird. It was super weird.
Speaker 3: But he's British or something, right.
Speaker 6: He's totally British and like delightfully so oh I couldn't
Speaker 6: get a word out. It's like they used to call
Speaker 6: me the one take wonder because I could do like
Speaker 6: even seven pages of legal dialogue and like a take.
Speaker 5: I'm like, let's go, people, let's rock.
Speaker 6: This out, because it's like it's all an adventure to me, right,
Speaker 6: I'm like, this is fun, like, let's let's do it.
Speaker 5: But he was the I couldn't say.
Speaker 6: I was like.
Speaker 5: A little and then finally he turned to me, He's like,
Speaker 5: would you like me to say it? I'm like, are
Speaker 5: you gonna say it? Oh my god? Are you gonna
Speaker 5: say it? He's like, as you, Oh my god? And
Speaker 5: I'm like, okay, I'm fine.
Speaker 4: Now that's amazing.
Speaker 5: Now I can eviscerate you.
Speaker 3: All right.
Speaker 2: I do have another set question, A little silly, but
Speaker 2: what were your go to craft service?
Speaker 3: As snacks are your favorite?
Speaker 5: Okay, my favorite?
Speaker 6: Ice and I were obsessed with these things called uncrustables.
Speaker 5: Hold on, ladies, hold on.
Speaker 6: I was in love with these things until I finally
Speaker 6: got my hands on an actual box.
Speaker 5: Please read that they're.
Speaker 6: Un unstable at room temperature. It's like, happy funball, don't
Speaker 6: taunt it. But what does it mean that a sandwich
Speaker 6: is unstable at room temperature?
Speaker 5: I swear to God if either one of you have.
Speaker 6: A box, so these go find the box because I
Speaker 6: wonder if it still says like unstable.
Speaker 5: At room Town.
Speaker 4: They're the kind of thing I only get.
Speaker 5: Like.
Speaker 1: I just was on a set to weeks ago and
Speaker 1: I got on crustables from this from the Cross Services
Speaker 1: Drug because I was like.
Speaker 4: This is where I eat them.
Speaker 3: They I think it felt cold.
Speaker 4: I think it felt cold.
Speaker 3: I really think it was probably.
Speaker 5: Straight out of the freezer.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because I they're my airport snack and they're usually
Speaker 2: by the water bottles. They're like, so they are You're yeah,
Speaker 2: they're usually cold. But I didn't ever put it together.
Speaker 6: No, well, because you don't expect any food product to
Speaker 6: be unsatable temperature.
Speaker 5: But that's that's kind of my favorite.
Speaker 2: Would you like to talk about your upcoming movie a
Speaker 2: little bit?
Speaker 6: So I got to call Out of the Blue from
Speaker 6: Do you remember Ashley Williams?
Speaker 5: She was on an episode.
Speaker 6: Yes, so Ashley, this is Ashley Williams's first directing job.
Speaker 5: Is this Lifetime movie?
Speaker 4: And did you guys meet on us for you?
Speaker 5: No?
Speaker 6: Randomly we were doing a tandem at the time, so
Speaker 6: Marishka and I were on one episode and shoot and
Speaker 6: Ashley was with Chris Maloney.
Speaker 5: She was the Purple Maloney's episode.
Speaker 6: So we never never the Twain met, but we knew
Speaker 6: because we're the same age. You know, we're in the
Speaker 6: same kind of group of people, so we'd always like
Speaker 6: known about each other. And so she asked me if
Speaker 6: I wanted this job playing this evil woman, which is
Speaker 6: really fun to be like the psycho path for a Yeah,
Speaker 6: because you're usually the justice person, right.
Speaker 5: Yeah, And she was totally cool. I was like, Ashley,
Speaker 5: I put on a little way.
Speaker 6: She's like, I love it. Whatever you are she is,
Speaker 6: and that's perfect. And it's based on this real woman,
Speaker 6: Peggy Sue Thomas, and it's an and rule book and
Speaker 6: it's called Circle of Deception.
Speaker 5: And we had tons of fun and we filmed it
Speaker 5: over the summer.
Speaker 6: We actually had a shut down because of COVID and
Speaker 6: then you know, Canada kind of got their shit together
Speaker 6: a lot earlier, so I had two weeks in quarantine
Speaker 6: before we could start filming again.
Speaker 5: But here's the kicker. Do you guys want to know
Speaker 5: who else from SPU is in it?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 3: Please tomorrow, Touney, it's Warner Baby.
Speaker 2: Actually, for my birthday this last year, Kara and our
Speaker 2: group of girlfriends got me a cameo.
Speaker 5: Oh my god, you can thank me for that because
Speaker 5: I made her. I signed her up on cameo.
Speaker 4: Oh my god, wow full circle.
Speaker 3: I don't know what to say, Lisa, that was amazing.
Speaker 1: She We honestly were like when we go to New
Speaker 1: York next, I think we're having lunch.
Speaker 3: With her, and like we like feel like she's a
Speaker 3: new friend.
Speaker 2: I want to party with Diane a hundred person.
Speaker 1: She seems like she gets down, so I don't want
Speaker 1: to forget to mention that the movie that she's in,
Speaker 1: Circle of Deception, starring Diane Neil, premieeres March sixth at
Speaker 1: eight pm Eastern and Pacific on Lifetime. And we were
Speaker 1: so excited after talking to her and we watched the
Speaker 1: trailer for this movie, which we will post on our Instagram,
Speaker 1: that we decided that we would like to do a
Speaker 1: very special That's Messed Up presents a Circle of Deception
Speaker 1: unofficial Instagram Live after show. So after you watch Circle
Speaker 1: of Deception, go to our Instagram, which is That's Messed
Speaker 1: Up Pod, and we're going to have like a quick recap,
Speaker 1: fun chat about the movie after we watch it. If
Speaker 1: you're on the West Coast, we're so we're doing that
Speaker 1: at ten pm Eastern. If you're on the West coast,
Speaker 1: I know the movie will not have started for you yet,
Speaker 1: so you can either tune in for spoilers, or we
Speaker 1: will post it on our Instagram and you can check
Speaker 1: out our little conversation after you watch. But we just
Speaker 1: thought it would be fun to sort of get on
Speaker 1: Instagram live talk to you guys a little bit, and
Speaker 1: obviously recap Circle of Deception.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we'll have fun snacks with us.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, you'll see we'll eat string cheese in front
Speaker 2: of you or something you cannot wait.
Speaker 3: To watch me. It's string cheese. It is a site
Speaker 3: to behold and tomorrow tuney, isn't it as well? Yes,
Speaker 3: so that's two SVU legends, one movie.
Speaker 1: So check it out. Lisa, let's get into the post mortem.
Speaker 1: This was an exciting episode, a ridiculous true crime.
Speaker 3: What are your thoughts?
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, but nothing has made me happier than knowing
Speaker 2: iced tea like some crustables, non shelf stable food. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that will stay in my heart for the ages because
Speaker 2: I love them too.
Speaker 3: And yeah, I like it. That's it. That's it. Nothing else,
Speaker 3: No other takeaways. Jak.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess dermatologists are evil and we have to
Speaker 2: watch our backs.
Speaker 3: Trust no one.
Speaker 1: Oh, I learned something good from actually a friend who
Speaker 1: wrote me, who wrote me a message on Facebook, who said,
Speaker 1: as a librarian, what those librarians are doing in this
Speaker 1: episode is not okay. We take it really seriously patron's
Speaker 1: privacy and we would never have just been like giving
Speaker 1: away all the books this woman reads, or like what
Speaker 1: her deal is, or how she's pregnant by this man.
Speaker 3: So, but does she know the gossip?
Speaker 2: Because I was shocked that the librarians knew so much
Speaker 2: and like all of her comings and goings. I would
Speaker 2: like to know if does your friend gossip with the peeps?
Speaker 3: Does she know?
Speaker 1: Oh, I'll have to ask. I mean, I'm sure there's
Speaker 1: varying degrees of.
Speaker 3: I have other friends.
Speaker 1: I actually have two or three friends that have like
Speaker 1: degrees in the library sciences, so I.
Speaker 3: Will definitely check with them.
Speaker 1: But I think you get a whole cast of characters
Speaker 1: at a library, and I miss the library.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the smell is great, I fucking miss it. Damn.
Speaker 1: Anyway, I think we can learn a lot from Candy,
Speaker 1: the woman that this was based on, not that anybody
Speaker 1: does anything wrong.
Speaker 3: But this woman like did not give up.
Speaker 1: She pressed the legal system to prosecute the guy who
Speaker 1: did it and arrest him, and she was victorious in
Speaker 1: the end. And I just think she's such a bad ass.
Speaker 2: And it's not like we needed to learn this because
Speaker 2: it seems like it's just knowledge at this point. But
Speaker 2: how fucked the system is and now no one believes
Speaker 2: victims and I don't know, it shouldn't be so hard
Speaker 2: to prosecute a fucking rapist, right, And.
Speaker 1: Also, I don't know, make the guys roll up their
Speaker 1: whole full sleeve, tell guys that when they come in
Speaker 1: for their blood draw they have to wear tank tops.
Speaker 1: Now because of this guy, Now we have to have
Speaker 1: everybody in Canada has to have tank tops on to
Speaker 1: get their blood drawn, so that you can't have a
Speaker 1: freaking tube of old ass blood hit it in your arm.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess.
Speaker 2: I also learned you could put tubes of blood in
Speaker 2: your arm, so that's a lesson as well.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I could do that.
Speaker 4: We also learned.
Speaker 1: We also, well I wouldn't say we learned, but it
Speaker 1: was reiterated that Christopher Maloney has a fucking dump truck
Speaker 1: of an ass, and.
Speaker 4: It does not quit.
Speaker 1: When he goes to dunk that child molester's face into
Speaker 1: the water, over and over, You're getting a look at.
Speaker 3: Two nice little juicy peaches right there. It's wild. I
Speaker 3: wonder how many squats he's doing.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, it's just funny when my brother has
Speaker 1: a butt kind of my brother that reminds me of.
Speaker 4: Christopher Maloney in a gross way.
Speaker 1: Like, and it's just funny when men have butts, like
Speaker 1: my husband has no butt, but like some men have
Speaker 1: like real fucking badonka donks and it's funny.
Speaker 2: Yeah, baseball players usually, yeah, yeah, I have those sasses.
Speaker 3: I also like.
Speaker 2: Learning that Diane Neil had some thoughts about her hairdows
Speaker 2: Like that was great to know that she also was
Speaker 2: like I looked fucking insane and they just did whatever
Speaker 2: they wanted to me. Oh I also, I mean we
Speaker 2: learned so much from her that, like the writing staff
Speaker 2: are people that were perfects in the field.
Speaker 3: That was really cool to know. I liked that. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: for sure.
Speaker 1: And we learned that sex Crimes was the name of
Speaker 1: the actual softball team.
Speaker 4: Never forget. That's like too good.
Speaker 1: Would love some action shots if anyone played on those
Speaker 1: teams would love action shots of people sliding into first
Speaker 1: in their sex crimes baseball shirt or softball shirt.
Speaker 2: I liked learning that your takeaway from Stabler dunking a
Speaker 2: guy was about his ass and not what cops can
Speaker 2: get away with dunking data.
Speaker 5: Look.
Speaker 4: Also that's police brutality.
Speaker 2: But yeah, also, this is what I learned, not from
Speaker 2: this episode, but from something I mentioned last week about
Speaker 2: like that some countries do decriminalization in a way where
Speaker 2: it's like, selling sex is not illegal, but buying sex
Speaker 2: is illegal.
Speaker 3: Am I saying this right?
Speaker 1: Yes, you're saying right, So selling sex is legal, but
Speaker 1: buying sex is illegal.
Speaker 4: It's called the Nordic model. We have found out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I guess it has not been working well,
Speaker 2: so it's like good on paper, but it's been used
Speaker 2: in Canada and Vancouver and stuff, and people wrote to
Speaker 2: us saying that it is actually awful, like most things
Speaker 2: are for us.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: No, and obviously we always push for full do criminalization.
Speaker 1: I think we were mentioning that as like, oh, that
Speaker 1: sounds like better than what we have, but it obviously
Speaker 1: has problems as well, so not an answer overall for sure.
Speaker 2: So I'm glad when people send us information about different things.
Speaker 2: We can't know everything. Yeah, I don't think you should
Speaker 2: get mad at people for not knowing everything, but that
Speaker 2: might be a controversial statement.
Speaker 1: Okay, now it is time for what would Sister Peg do,
Speaker 1: our weekly segment where we give you, guys a organization
Speaker 1: or some resources to help you get a little bit
Speaker 1: more context and information about the topics that we talked
Speaker 1: about in today's episode. Obviously, we dealt with a pretty
Speaker 1: heinous sexual assault today and so we actually wanted to
Speaker 1: use today to highlight Mrshca Hargatea's foundation, the Joyful Heart Foundation.
Speaker 1: Their mission is to a world free of sexual assault,
Speaker 1: domestic violence, and child abuse. They also work really hard
Speaker 1: to end the backlog of rape kits, which this victim
Speaker 1: in this in the real life story had to really
Speaker 1: you know, push for her rape kits to get tested
Speaker 1: and everything. I know this is in Canada, but you know,
Speaker 1: we have definitely a huge rape kit backlog here in
Speaker 1: the US. And definitely head over to Joyful Heart Foundation
Speaker 1: dot org to learn more about this great organization. There's
Speaker 1: tons of workshops and ways to get involved and ways
Speaker 1: to donate.
Speaker 2: And next week we will be covering the episode Stranger
Speaker 2: season ten, episode eleven, a very requested episode and you
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