WEBVTT - Serendipity w/ Diane Neal 0:00:00.160 --> 0:00:04.000 Of the Law and Order franchises, SVU is considered especially watchable. 0:00:04.200 --> 0:00:06.800 We are the amateur detectives who kind of investigate the 0:00:06.840 --> 0:00:07.640 vicious felonies. 0:00:07.680 --> 0:00:11.240 These episodes are based on. These are our stories done Dune. 0:00:27.640 --> 0:00:31.680 Hello, and welcome to That's Messed Up an SVU podcast. 0:00:31.720 --> 0:00:33.040 I'm Lisa Traeger. 0:00:32.800 --> 0:00:36.320 And I'm Kara Klank and you hopefully know by now 0:00:36.360 --> 0:00:38.800 the drill. We just recap an episode of Law and 0:00:38.920 --> 0:00:41.960 Order SVU. We're going to take you through the journey 0:00:42.000 --> 0:00:43.960 of the true crime it was based on, and then 0:00:44.000 --> 0:00:48.400 we're going to interview an actor from the show. So, Lisa, 0:00:48.560 --> 0:00:51.360 what's up, what's new? I'm having a fun week. 0:00:53.240 --> 0:00:55.840 I mean, before we talk about anything, we got to 0:00:55.880 --> 0:00:58.200 talk about the Atlanta Housewives. It is one of the 0:00:58.200 --> 0:01:02.360 greatest episodes of television in recorded history. 0:01:02.680 --> 0:01:04.360 It's truly, truly wild. 0:01:05.000 --> 0:01:06.840 We are on a group text with a couple other 0:01:06.880 --> 0:01:09.280 friends and someone told us wrote us, you know, an 0:01:09.280 --> 0:01:11.480 East Coast person wrote us that they had seen at first. 0:01:11.240 --> 0:01:13.600 And was like, I mean, it's just it's like. 0:01:14.440 --> 0:01:16.440 Yeah, it's like there's a few if you if you 0:01:16.440 --> 0:01:19.679 watch Housewives, there's a few cannon episodes that are just 0:01:19.800 --> 0:01:24.600 classic forever. There's the Berkshire Scary Island. Scary Island I. 0:01:24.520 --> 0:01:26.200 Have everybody goes multiple peckers in my. 0:01:26.160 --> 0:01:31.320 Life, you know, yeah, there are really really you know, 0:01:31.440 --> 0:01:33.160 just even if you don't watch. Like my husband the 0:01:33.200 --> 0:01:34.920 other day said to me, he goes, can I watch 0:01:34.959 --> 0:01:36.399 Scary Island with you? I just want to know what 0:01:36.400 --> 0:01:38.240 you're talking about? Like, so I think I might just 0:01:38.280 --> 0:01:40.840 show him Scary Island. So these are episodes that I 0:01:40.880 --> 0:01:43.320 think you can just dip into and realize how amazing 0:01:43.360 --> 0:01:45.840 they are, even if you don't really follow the shows 0:01:45.920 --> 0:01:48.760 or all the drama of them. And this episode is 0:01:49.280 --> 0:01:51.680 gets up there. It's on that pedestal with those episodes. 0:01:52.000 --> 0:01:53.840 I've been describing it to people that are like, wait, 0:01:53.840 --> 0:01:56.240 why do I have to watch it? I go sex swings, 0:01:56.880 --> 0:02:00.800 a stripper in chanel in a cage and there's a shark. 0:02:01.320 --> 0:02:05.400 These bitches catch a shark, okay, like are you kidding me? 0:02:05.680 --> 0:02:07.160 And there might be a threesome. 0:02:07.680 --> 0:02:09.760 But they put this is These are women in their 0:02:09.800 --> 0:02:12.320 forties and fifties. Their bodies are hot as hell, They're 0:02:12.360 --> 0:02:16.240 wearing lingerie s and m gear. They put the bachelorette 0:02:16.560 --> 0:02:19.240 in a sex swing and put a vibrator on her 0:02:19.560 --> 0:02:21.280 on television like. 0:02:21.360 --> 0:02:24.560 It is if you are not if you if you're Like, 0:02:24.880 --> 0:02:27.760 what does sex positivity look like? It's this episode of 0:02:27.800 --> 0:02:31.560 this television show because the other franchises of the show 0:02:31.639 --> 0:02:36.200 are honestly so prudish, Like in one episode they go 0:02:36.240 --> 0:02:38.960 to Amsterdam and they split a piece of space cake 0:02:39.000 --> 0:02:40.880 even though weed is legal there. It's like, you know, 0:02:41.040 --> 0:02:43.720 they're just so prude. Everyone's worried about what they're doing 0:02:43.720 --> 0:02:47.760 on TV. The Atlanta Women do not have not been 0:02:47.880 --> 0:02:49.079 done giving a fuck. 0:02:49.000 --> 0:02:50.720 Like it is so good. 0:02:51.200 --> 0:02:56.079 They have this like orgy bachelorette party that is really 0:02:56.160 --> 0:02:59.600 fun and hilarious. Everyone's having a good time and they 0:02:59.639 --> 0:03:01.679 try too of the cameras so that you can't see 0:03:01.680 --> 0:03:04.720 what happens after production kind of shuts down, but we 0:03:04.800 --> 0:03:07.400 get some glimpses and it's wild and. 0:03:07.960 --> 0:03:10.680 The background of my phone has changed from Captain Craigan 0:03:10.760 --> 0:03:15.840 holding Kimba to Carly Jean's drawing of Bolo because the 0:03:15.880 --> 0:03:17.280 stripper Bolow's the stripper. 0:03:17.360 --> 0:03:20.440 The very talented artist who did our artwork for That's 0:03:20.480 --> 0:03:23.000 Messed Up did a like prompt where she was like, 0:03:23.000 --> 0:03:24.640 tell me to draw something, and people. 0:03:24.440 --> 0:03:27.760 Just told her to draw Bolo the stripper. I told her, Oh, 0:03:27.800 --> 0:03:29.480 it was you. Of course. 0:03:30.720 --> 0:03:32.760 I had no idea you were the suggestor. 0:03:33.000 --> 0:03:33.880 Of course it was me. 0:03:34.160 --> 0:03:36.440 And then she wrote to me going, I don't really 0:03:36.480 --> 0:03:39.840 know what this is, but people are messaging me non stop, 0:03:40.200 --> 0:03:43.600 like because everyone else was like a troll doll, a 0:03:43.680 --> 0:03:46.920 giraffe and roller skates and I was like, yeah, Bolo please, 0:03:47.080 --> 0:03:51.960 I need Bolo and the outfits they go. My favorite 0:03:52.000 --> 0:03:55.400 is Marlow going fishing boat. I think that's my favorite 0:03:55.440 --> 0:03:57.400 line because they all think they're going on a yacht 0:03:57.440 --> 0:03:59.320 and then they go and poor She's like, are we 0:03:59.400 --> 0:04:01.640 catching Nima? Well, they're just so funny. And I think 0:04:01.680 --> 0:04:03.960 I mentioned this in another episode, like they're so open. 0:04:04.360 --> 0:04:06.920 In one of their first episodes this year, they all 0:04:06.960 --> 0:04:09.720 gain weight during the quarantine, they got on a scale 0:04:09.920 --> 0:04:13.640 and showed their weight to television, which I don't think 0:04:13.680 --> 0:04:14.960 any franchise would do either. 0:04:15.200 --> 0:04:19.280 Yeah, they're definitely like they're just very like open about 0:04:19.320 --> 0:04:21.520 their bodies and sex positive. 0:04:21.120 --> 0:04:23.479 And delly wings on camera they will lick a wing 0:04:23.520 --> 0:04:26.800 bone like they're oh, yeah, they don't care, they're just oh. 0:04:27.839 --> 0:04:31.040 Other franchises I have watched two women I have watched 0:04:31.040 --> 0:04:33.320 two women on Beverly Hills order a plate of pasta 0:04:33.640 --> 0:04:36.400 to share, and then I have watched the waiter pick 0:04:36.480 --> 0:04:40.440 up the full plate of pasta and clear it untouched. Okay, 0:04:40.680 --> 0:04:44.719 the women on Atlanta have a trough of dead pig 0:04:44.880 --> 0:04:48.560 that they're just going to town on like they're amazing. 0:04:48.720 --> 0:04:52.400 Candy came back from the bow and she goes, I'm hungry, 0:04:52.400 --> 0:04:53.960 and then the other women are like, oh, we got 0:04:53.960 --> 0:04:54.480 to feed her. 0:04:54.520 --> 0:04:55.520 This will be a disaster. 0:04:57.800 --> 0:04:59.680 Yeah, you don't want to get angry with the Atlanta 0:04:59.720 --> 0:05:00.800 women at all, or. 0:05:00.960 --> 0:05:04.000 I just think Bravo as a whole gets disrespected. I 0:05:04.000 --> 0:05:06.599 don't know if it's like the patriarch or what. But 0:05:06.640 --> 0:05:08.880 watch What Happens Live and Andy Cohen is the best 0:05:08.920 --> 0:05:11.480 late night show of all and it's never in the conversation. 0:05:11.880 --> 0:05:14.159 I don't want to keep talking about Jimmy Kimmel and Colbert. 0:05:14.200 --> 0:05:14.600 I don't care. 0:05:14.680 --> 0:05:17.640 I want Andy Cohen. It's fresh, it's. 0:05:17.480 --> 0:05:21.479 Exciting, people are open, they're drinking, there's games like they 0:05:21.480 --> 0:05:24.480 It just is never in the conversation of late night shows. 0:05:24.560 --> 0:05:25.359 No, it's so true. 0:05:25.480 --> 0:05:27.360 I hate I think late night is like a dead 0:05:27.480 --> 0:05:29.440 art form, But I really do think that Watch What 0:05:29.480 --> 0:05:31.080 Happens Live is so fun and. 0:05:31.279 --> 0:05:33.920 He gets huge people. I think Oprah's done it. I mean, 0:05:34.000 --> 0:05:37.279 have sh Streak done it every Yeah, he gets huge, 0:05:37.360 --> 0:05:37.920 huge people. 0:05:38.040 --> 0:05:41.120 So it's not like it's just Bravo liberties, but just 0:05:41.160 --> 0:05:45.520 these episodes of television are funnier than any comedian I've 0:05:45.520 --> 0:05:46.039 ever seen. 0:05:46.160 --> 0:05:49.000 Like the things that come out of all these women's mouths. 0:05:49.040 --> 0:05:52.120 They're falling in bushes, They're fucking a pirate. I mean, 0:05:52.320 --> 0:05:57.159 Ramona has shit her pants on television twice, twice twice. 0:05:57.480 --> 0:06:00.640 Like you never get to see women in that. 0:06:00.839 --> 0:06:02.920 It's like have fun and get drunk, and I just 0:06:03.000 --> 0:06:04.800 it doesn't get the respect it deserves. 0:06:04.920 --> 0:06:07.239 Yeah, and you see women of a different age group 0:06:07.320 --> 0:06:10.080 also as like you know, sexual beings. 0:06:09.640 --> 0:06:12.479 And who have like desires and wants and stuff. That's 0:06:12.480 --> 0:06:13.560 what I love about Bravo. 0:06:13.960 --> 0:06:18.280 So hey, guys, this is our non non paid sponsorship 0:06:18.279 --> 0:06:21.839 of Bravo if you'd like to dip into the Bravo verse. 0:06:22.000 --> 0:06:25.000 I went to go buy Bolo merch already sold out 0:06:25.160 --> 0:06:25.800 the next day. 0:06:26.000 --> 0:06:27.480 Albolo's making a nice bag. 0:06:27.520 --> 0:06:29.400 From this, it sounded like you just said a bola 0:06:29.440 --> 0:06:35.120 though Ebola Bolo, which you know at BOLO in the 0:06:35.200 --> 0:06:38.200 law enforcement world, is stands for be on the lookout. 0:06:38.680 --> 0:06:39.040 Wow. 0:06:39.320 --> 0:06:41.720 So when they put out a BOLO for like, we're 0:06:41.760 --> 0:06:45.320 looking for a female five foot seven, brown hair, like, 0:06:45.400 --> 0:06:47.719 that's there is that way saying like, be on the 0:06:47.720 --> 0:06:50.360 lookout for his giant dick that's the size of his arm. 0:06:50.440 --> 0:06:54.400 Be on the lookout for his twelve inch serpentine penis. 0:06:54.440 --> 0:06:55.120 Oh my god. 0:06:55.279 --> 0:06:57.280 I mean obviously they can't show it, but you see 0:06:57.279 --> 0:06:58.800 it underpants and it is Oh. 0:06:58.839 --> 0:07:01.520 People send me videos of the of the dick, like 0:07:01.640 --> 0:07:04.520 close up. Yeah, there's a Twitter thread I was sent 0:07:04.720 --> 0:07:07.640 of him at doing strip shows other places with his. 0:07:07.680 --> 0:07:09.280 Oh we and you saw the real thing? 0:07:09.400 --> 0:07:12.480 Yes, fuck listen. I love the Internet. 0:07:12.560 --> 0:07:15.280 I love texting, I love group chats, I love memes, 0:07:16.600 --> 0:07:17.160 love a gift. 0:07:17.440 --> 0:07:21.920 No one could ever accuse you of not loving the Internet, Lisa. Anyway, 0:07:22.040 --> 0:07:26.120 let's jump right from Dick Watch twenty twenty one. 0:07:26.200 --> 0:07:30.520 To wait, wait, they were on the cover of People. 0:07:30.800 --> 0:07:34.840 Oh my gosh, Maloney, Benson, Baby Maloney. 0:07:34.840 --> 0:07:36.640 Why switching switched? 0:07:36.640 --> 0:07:37.840 Stabler and Benson. 0:07:38.320 --> 0:07:42.440 Maloney and Hargatea were on the cover of People magazine, 0:07:43.000 --> 0:07:47.040 clearly doing press for organized crime, which is amazing, but 0:07:47.240 --> 0:07:50.360 I like loved it. The cover is so sweet, and 0:07:50.560 --> 0:07:54.240 somebody wrote us a message and really encompassed my feeling 0:07:54.320 --> 0:07:57.000 on this. It was just really nice to see like 0:07:57.080 --> 0:07:58.520 a man and a woman on a cover of a 0:07:58.560 --> 0:08:01.440 magazine that are just friends, like and just celebrating like 0:08:01.480 --> 0:08:04.400 male female friendship that's not like anything sexual. I mean, 0:08:04.440 --> 0:08:06.920 I know in our minds we want them to be 0:08:07.040 --> 0:08:09.840 sexual as their characters, some of us, but like you know, 0:08:09.880 --> 0:08:13.160 the ship that the mentalorshippers aside, it's just nice that 0:08:13.200 --> 0:08:17.040 they have this twenty five year friendship that is really 0:08:17.080 --> 0:08:20.840 beautiful and it's not sexualized, Like they both have partners, 0:08:20.920 --> 0:08:21.200 you know. 0:08:21.560 --> 0:08:25.240 Yeah, and like she is a godmother to one of 0:08:25.240 --> 0:08:26.120 his children. 0:08:26.720 --> 0:08:28.920 She didn't even know that, yeah, And he was. 0:08:29.000 --> 0:08:32.679 There when like she met her husband, obviously Peter, and 0:08:32.800 --> 0:08:36.040 like she was like I loved his marriage so much 0:08:36.120 --> 0:08:39.240 and seeing them showed me what I can have. And 0:08:39.600 --> 0:08:42.280 it just seems like they inspire themselves outside of the 0:08:42.360 --> 0:08:46.040 show and works so well together. And in the videos 0:08:46.120 --> 0:08:48.480 she made fun of his bald head, which you know. 0:08:48.720 --> 0:08:51.520 Yeah, they like rib each other and they really they 0:08:51.559 --> 0:08:53.720 really like make fun of each other and are really 0:08:53.760 --> 0:08:55.920 like just you can tell they're just like genuine friends. 0:08:55.960 --> 0:08:58.600 And yeah, she says that she has four pillar men 0:08:58.640 --> 0:09:01.920 in her life, her father, her husband, Dick Wolf, and 0:09:02.000 --> 0:09:02.920 Christopher Maloney. 0:09:03.080 --> 0:09:05.319 That's like huge, yeah, And it seemed like she was 0:09:05.320 --> 0:09:07.480 about to tear her up or maybe I was reading 0:09:07.480 --> 0:09:09.400 too into it, but when she was talking about she goes. 0:09:09.559 --> 0:09:12.360 I mean, usually when people leave a show, the audience 0:09:12.400 --> 0:09:14.560 gets used to it, but it is such a testament 0:09:14.600 --> 0:09:18.080 to what they created that we're ten years out from 0:09:18.440 --> 0:09:21.520 uh Maloney leaving and people are still obsessed with those 0:09:21.600 --> 0:09:24.440 first twelve seasons. Yeah, and love them so much and 0:09:24.480 --> 0:09:26.720 it is like, yeah, you guys really created something that 0:09:26.760 --> 0:09:27.960 we can't get enough of. 0:09:28.320 --> 0:09:28.520 Right. 0:09:28.840 --> 0:09:31.560 So anyway, that came out last Friday, so it's on 0:09:31.640 --> 0:09:32.760 your news stands now. 0:09:32.600 --> 0:09:33.200 So go get it. 0:09:33.520 --> 0:09:34.760 And then I don't know if it was in our 0:09:34.800 --> 0:09:37.680 personal chats or on the That's messed up accounts, but 0:09:37.720 --> 0:09:40.720 someone wrote to us like Kardashian is probably furious she's 0:09:40.760 --> 0:09:40.960 not on. 0:09:41.040 --> 0:09:41.800 This week's cover. 0:09:42.800 --> 0:09:45.840 Yes, look, somebody wrote, Kim is so furious she didn't 0:09:45.840 --> 0:09:48.920 get the cover of her divorce. Yes, and you know what, Sorry, 0:09:49.440 --> 0:09:52.800 all right, let's get into today's episode. 0:09:56.320 --> 0:10:01.000 Okay, this is Serendipity Season five? I have episode five, 0:10:01.040 --> 0:10:03.520 which seems kind of magical, you know, fifty five. 0:10:04.720 --> 0:10:06.079 Maybe it's not, but I like it. 0:10:06.720 --> 0:10:09.480 So we start out and it's the center of disease 0:10:09.559 --> 0:10:13.120 control and Ghostbuster style outfits and they're doing stuff in 0:10:13.160 --> 0:10:15.760 a sewer. And then a woman who I think I 0:10:15.800 --> 0:10:21.080 could play a very just an annoying Jewish New Yorker, 0:10:21.120 --> 0:10:23.680 I would say, holding a paper bag of groceries. Who 0:10:23.800 --> 0:10:26.760 uses paper bags without handles? I just I don't even know. 0:10:27.640 --> 0:10:30.480 But this is a classic SVU thing where it's just 0:10:30.480 --> 0:10:32.480 like a nosy New Yorker being like, what are you doing? 0:10:32.559 --> 0:10:35.360 What is that? What's happening? Like they alway kind is it? 0:10:35.520 --> 0:10:39.840 Answer X so many questions and they're like, go on 0:10:40.000 --> 0:10:40.640 with your day. 0:10:40.720 --> 0:10:42.320 We're going to figure this out. 0:10:42.559 --> 0:10:45.640 And then she peeks over we see a little babyhand 0:10:45.640 --> 0:10:47.960 and she goes, I hope that's a baby. I changed 0:10:48.000 --> 0:10:51.480 the accent. She said, I hope that's a bit. I 0:10:51.520 --> 0:10:53.840 can't do it whatever. She hopes it's a baby doll. 0:10:54.520 --> 0:10:56.880 It's clearly long order sview it is not a doll, 0:10:57.000 --> 0:10:58.880 and that is a baby in a trash bag in 0:10:58.920 --> 0:11:01.800 a sewer, and done, done, it's SVU baby. 0:11:01.880 --> 0:11:04.120 That was really tough to watch. It was tough to 0:11:04.120 --> 0:11:05.400 see that little baby hand. 0:11:05.600 --> 0:11:08.440 It was a cute hand. It was definitely upsetting. 0:11:09.040 --> 0:11:10.440 It was a really cute hand. 0:11:10.840 --> 0:11:13.240 So then we get to the credits, and what is 0:11:13.280 --> 0:11:17.600 interesting to me is Diane Neal is in the cast 0:11:17.679 --> 0:11:20.840 photo in the end, and so I'm wondering if the 0:11:20.880 --> 0:11:23.319 people watching this live were like, who's that woman? 0:11:23.760 --> 0:11:25.800 Yeah, you know, because this is her first. 0:11:25.559 --> 0:11:30.280 Episode, huge deal, we meet Casey Novak, but she was 0:11:30.320 --> 0:11:33.720 in that photo, and I just wonder if the hardcore 0:11:33.760 --> 0:11:35.160 audiences interesting. 0:11:35.240 --> 0:11:37.480 I mean, I don't know if you've watched enough of it, 0:11:37.559 --> 0:11:40.800 Like that photo kind of just rolls over you because 0:11:40.840 --> 0:11:42.199 like you've seen so many. 0:11:42.280 --> 0:11:44.520 No, that's when you're getting snacks, that's like when you're 0:11:44.600 --> 0:11:47.400 running around. But I was like, whoa, I had that 0:11:47.440 --> 0:11:48.440 photo for next week. 0:11:48.440 --> 0:11:49.200 What are you guys up to? 0:11:50.280 --> 0:11:52.240 So we learned that if the water was any higher, 0:11:52.240 --> 0:11:54.440 the baby would have washed into the East River. So 0:11:54.480 --> 0:11:56.760 it's like all of these things are helping us find 0:11:56.800 --> 0:12:01.640 this child. There's a baby blanket, bilical cord is still attached, 0:12:01.679 --> 0:12:05.360 and there's no obvious trauma. So this is obviously confusing 0:12:06.000 --> 0:12:08.640 like the baby at a blanket, it wasn't her, Like, 0:12:08.679 --> 0:12:11.080 what the fuck's going on? And then I love one 0:12:11.200 --> 0:12:14.520 SVU is acab on their own because we have another 0:12:14.600 --> 0:12:17.880 street officer and he goes, hey, there's an endocrinologist, and 0:12:17.920 --> 0:12:18.240 he's not. 0:12:18.320 --> 0:12:19.439 He's an entomologist. 0:12:20.200 --> 0:12:23.600 So I really loved that he couldn't keep it straight, 0:12:24.040 --> 0:12:26.040 which I love, and I have an endocrinologist. 0:12:26.360 --> 0:12:28.880 I'm not bragging, but I do have a thyride problem. 0:12:29.240 --> 0:12:32.720 So they talk to the bug guy and this is very, 0:12:32.800 --> 0:12:35.640 very gross, but it happens a lot on forensic files. 0:12:35.920 --> 0:12:38.760 Through the development of like larvae and bugs or whatever, 0:12:38.880 --> 0:12:41.440 you can tell how long the body has been there, 0:12:41.880 --> 0:12:45.480 and so this is very very a fresh baby. So 0:12:45.520 --> 0:12:48.600 they know that the mother lives close by, and they 0:12:48.640 --> 0:12:53.320 immediately find her building because they're the best. And can 0:12:53.360 --> 0:12:56.480 you fucking believe it? The landlord of the building is 0:12:56.520 --> 0:13:01.400 the raw Hawah racist from Raw This predates his racism, 0:13:01.720 --> 0:13:05.120 but it was really exciting to see him and I 0:13:05.120 --> 0:13:07.760 would live in his building, and it's just a testament 0:13:07.760 --> 0:13:10.480 to what a great actor he is because in Raw Yeah, 0:13:10.520 --> 0:13:10.880 he was. 0:13:10.880 --> 0:13:14.520 Like so nice and like just a sweet like maintenance 0:13:14.600 --> 0:13:16.440 man or landlord, just yeah, I'm. 0:13:16.280 --> 0:13:19.160 Making jokes running up the stairs and like I'm watching 0:13:19.240 --> 0:13:20.959 rom like I will piss in your face, and here 0:13:21.000 --> 0:13:22.240 I'm like, can I sign a lease? 0:13:22.360 --> 0:13:24.800 It's funny too when they're like any boyfriends, It's like, 0:13:25.040 --> 0:13:27.160 would your landlord know if you had a boyfriend? Like, 0:13:27.200 --> 0:13:29.840 my landlord would never knew a thing about me. I 0:13:29.840 --> 0:13:32.160 barely ever saw my landlord face to face, you know 0:13:32.200 --> 0:13:32.600 what I mean? 0:13:32.640 --> 0:13:35.040 In New York landlords are a touchy subject to me 0:13:35.120 --> 0:13:38.200 since I was almost poisoned with carbon monoxide multiple times. 0:13:39.200 --> 0:13:42.360 But so yeah, I think, not only have my landlords 0:13:42.360 --> 0:13:45.599 not known about me, they tried to murder me seriously 0:13:45.720 --> 0:13:49.200 and you're sleep in my sleep and then yell at 0:13:49.280 --> 0:13:51.520 me for calling the fire department. 0:13:52.080 --> 0:13:53.800 New York, New York. 0:13:54.520 --> 0:13:58.280 So they go into the apartment and it's really fucked up. 0:13:58.320 --> 0:14:00.000 They see a woman on her bed, there's a lot 0:14:00.000 --> 0:14:04.280 out of blood and what the fuck happened here? So 0:14:04.320 --> 0:14:07.040 someone ripped out the baby. She died, and then they 0:14:07.120 --> 0:14:09.680 dumped the baby in the sewer. And this is my 0:14:09.760 --> 0:14:12.280 favorite month, trying to be a human. And so he's 0:14:12.320 --> 0:14:14.480 talking to one of the neighbors and it's an elderly 0:14:14.520 --> 0:14:18.000 woman with a lot of birds, and you know, she's like, 0:14:18.040 --> 0:14:19.440 the birds loved the woman. 0:14:19.720 --> 0:14:21.600 So that was like her litmus test for who's a 0:14:21.600 --> 0:14:23.640 good person. She must have been a good person because 0:14:23.640 --> 0:14:24.560 my birds loved her. 0:14:25.080 --> 0:14:27.960 Yes, but she didn't hear anything because of her hearing 0:14:28.000 --> 0:14:29.960 aids and anyone that owns a bird, I'm sorry if 0:14:30.000 --> 0:14:31.720 you're listening, I don't care if you come for us. 0:14:31.760 --> 0:14:36.480 You're a psychopath pet birds are well, that's not true. 0:14:36.520 --> 0:14:40.320 I've switched because of t'chala from Potomac. I'm like, I 0:14:40.320 --> 0:14:41.840 could get into a bird. 0:14:42.080 --> 0:14:44.479 So Lisa was Sin's calling you all psychopaths. 0:14:44.480 --> 0:14:44.680 Bird. 0:14:45.040 --> 0:14:47.720 Sorrybird, you can have birds. 0:14:47.880 --> 0:14:49.680 You can now have a bird if it's a beautiful 0:14:49.720 --> 0:14:51.320 gray parrot that repeats what you say. 0:14:52.640 --> 0:14:55.080 And then you know, they talk to another neighbor who's 0:14:55.120 --> 0:14:59.040 working from home very twenty twenty, twenty twenty one, and 0:14:59.440 --> 0:15:01.920 he didn't hear thing, and they're like, she was giving birth. 0:15:02.000 --> 0:15:04.200 What do you mean you didn't hear anything? And he's like, 0:15:04.240 --> 0:15:06.840 she was kind of quiet, Like no one is quiet 0:15:06.880 --> 0:15:10.120 during birth, is the point that they make. And I 0:15:10.160 --> 0:15:12.480 see as a long ass ponytail here and it's just 0:15:12.720 --> 0:15:15.640 nice to reminisce about the old ponytail days. 0:15:16.280 --> 0:15:21.680 So Melinda Warner are beautiful MD. She said that it's Emmy, Liza. 0:15:21.800 --> 0:15:23.800 I just may say MD all the time, and it 0:15:23.840 --> 0:15:26.480 is Emmy. I just want you to know, Okay. 0:15:27.480 --> 0:15:30.960 So Melinda, she said that someone helped deliver the baby 0:15:31.000 --> 0:15:33.600 and cleaned up the after birth. And so they're at 0:15:33.600 --> 0:15:35.720 the scene trying to solve it. Was there a stroke, 0:15:35.800 --> 0:15:38.600 there's no evidence of foul play. Maybe they found her 0:15:38.640 --> 0:15:40.240 too late, like they don't. 0:15:40.040 --> 0:15:40.600 Know what's up. 0:15:40.640 --> 0:15:44.440 And then Elliott finds great evidence some prenatal vitamins, so 0:15:44.800 --> 0:15:46.760 they know that she went to a doctor. So off 0:15:46.760 --> 0:15:49.720 to the doctor they go. She wasn't due it for 0:15:49.760 --> 0:15:53.600 another three weeks, but trauma could lead you into labor. 0:15:54.120 --> 0:15:54.920 The doctor said. 0:15:54.920 --> 0:15:57.520 She was like detached and not really into the pregnancy 0:15:57.720 --> 0:16:00.280 at all, didn't care about any of the results, but 0:16:00.400 --> 0:16:04.480 had all of these tests, like so many high class 0:16:04.520 --> 0:16:08.080 tests done and she came from a free clinic to 0:16:08.240 --> 0:16:10.960 this fancy, fancy doctor situation. 0:16:11.520 --> 0:16:13.240 We find out her name is Brianna. 0:16:12.960 --> 0:16:16.080 Moore, but the credit card is charged with a Ron 0:16:16.240 --> 0:16:21.040 Wolcott and he works at the Flavor Institute, which sounds great. 0:16:21.680 --> 0:16:25.520 I love food science and restaurant You know, we're not 0:16:25.560 --> 0:16:27.320 supposed to know what it is, but I knew a 0:16:27.320 --> 0:16:29.440 food scientist once, and it's impressive to me. 0:16:30.480 --> 0:16:32.160 Who makes all those flavors of Lays. 0:16:32.480 --> 0:16:35.800 So they go to Ron Wilcott's house and they see 0:16:35.840 --> 0:16:39.200 a woman with another paper grocery bag, which I how, 0:16:39.400 --> 0:16:41.720 I just this was never a memory in my life. 0:16:41.920 --> 0:16:43.800 You well, I guess not. But I think if you're 0:16:43.800 --> 0:16:46.440 picking up stuff at a bodega, I mean you usually 0:16:46.440 --> 0:16:49.000 get a plastic bag. Yeah, I don't know. Yeah, they 0:16:49.040 --> 0:16:52.440 all have handles now. It is very retro. Maybe it's 0:16:52.480 --> 0:16:53.280 just of the time. 0:16:53.480 --> 0:16:56.320 Yeah, And she has you know, fresh flowers in there, 0:16:56.520 --> 0:16:58.960 and I thought it looked like Twizzlers, but who knows. 0:16:59.440 --> 0:17:01.600 So the woman's like, oh, we know Brianna. 0:17:01.760 --> 0:17:03.920 Well, because they try to play it off like someone's 0:17:03.920 --> 0:17:06.480 steal your card. They went to this doctor and so 0:17:06.560 --> 0:17:09.240 then we find out this woman knows Brianna and Brianna 0:17:09.359 --> 0:17:13.400 is actually carrying her baby. So we find out Brianna 0:17:13.560 --> 0:17:17.480 is carrying this baby for the Woolcotts and paid for 0:17:17.520 --> 0:17:20.240 their expenses. They paid for her to have a better apartment, 0:17:20.920 --> 0:17:23.080 They paid for everything so she didn't have to work 0:17:23.080 --> 0:17:26.439 because she had a really tough, demanding, physical job, and 0:17:26.560 --> 0:17:30.040 the adoption was set through mutual friends and we're off. 0:17:30.119 --> 0:17:32.320 I mean, this really feels like a relay race. We 0:17:32.359 --> 0:17:34.800 are in so many places this episode. So she was 0:17:34.840 --> 0:17:37.280 giving her baby to them like they were not. It 0:17:37.320 --> 0:17:39.199 wasn't like a surrogate thing. It was like she was 0:17:39.240 --> 0:17:42.000 giving this baby to them. Yeah, and they seemed, you know, 0:17:42.160 --> 0:17:45.040 just like rich New Yorkers, you know, not suspicious or 0:17:45.080 --> 0:17:45.840 anything to me. 0:17:46.040 --> 0:17:46.439 I don't know. 0:17:46.920 --> 0:17:49.840 So then we go meet the friend Marcy Cochran, who 0:17:49.840 --> 0:17:53.640 works at the Flavor Institute with Ron Wilcott, but volunteers 0:17:54.000 --> 0:17:58.639 at a hotline. So Brianna called the Metro hotline and 0:17:58.720 --> 0:18:01.359 started talking to Marcie, and we find out she didn't 0:18:01.359 --> 0:18:04.639 want to commit suicide but was very sad, and she 0:18:04.800 --> 0:18:06.320 met the baby daddy in a park. 0:18:06.359 --> 0:18:07.400 It was her dream guy. 0:18:07.960 --> 0:18:11.200 They fucked and then he gave her a fake number 0:18:11.280 --> 0:18:13.480 and so she was never able to reach him, and 0:18:13.560 --> 0:18:16.679 so she became pregnant from this one night stand. And 0:18:16.760 --> 0:18:19.679 Marcy and her became super close and they talked at 0:18:19.680 --> 0:18:22.439 their house and Elliot's like, was that fucking normal? And 0:18:22.480 --> 0:18:25.040 she goes, no, but we connected, and then what we 0:18:25.119 --> 0:18:28.720 find out is she either convinced her, pressured her, led 0:18:28.760 --> 0:18:32.760 her to agree to give the baby to the Wolcotts. 0:18:33.160 --> 0:18:36.560 I think Marcy is crossing the line of ethics here, 0:18:36.840 --> 0:18:41.040 but you know, we need a plotline. So then we 0:18:41.080 --> 0:18:43.639 find out that Marcy and Brionn actually got into a 0:18:43.680 --> 0:18:47.320 fight four days ago because Brianna decided to keep the baby. 0:18:48.040 --> 0:18:52.160 Marcy told her husband, her husband told Ron, and now 0:18:52.240 --> 0:18:55.080 we have suspects because we have people mad at her 0:18:55.240 --> 0:18:57.760 because she decided that she wants to keep her baby, 0:18:58.000 --> 0:19:01.879 which legally you're allowed to at any point biological mothers 0:19:01.960 --> 0:19:06.560 changed your mind. We're back at the Emmy's office and 0:19:06.840 --> 0:19:09.360 Melinda has a tight bun and her hair's pulled back. 0:19:09.400 --> 0:19:14.200 She looks amazing, and then it's kind of like really sad, 0:19:14.280 --> 0:19:19.000 horrific sick details coming up. So the baby bled to 0:19:19.040 --> 0:19:23.480 death from the umbilical cord. The perp knew how to 0:19:23.600 --> 0:19:26.160 kill her without being caught. It's an old Scottish way 0:19:26.200 --> 0:19:26.920 of suffocation. 0:19:27.600 --> 0:19:29.840 He suffocated her by sitting on her chest. 0:19:30.320 --> 0:19:31.400 Yeah, because there. 0:19:31.359 --> 0:19:35.919 Was like a button imprint from her dress on her chest, 0:19:36.640 --> 0:19:41.239 so it's really upsetting. She was also injected with a 0:19:41.280 --> 0:19:45.040 sedative that sedates you, but you can feel everything, but 0:19:45.119 --> 0:19:47.879 you can't do anything about it. So again, this person 0:19:48.000 --> 0:19:51.240 is fucking evil, Like you're already doing evil shit? 0:19:51.320 --> 0:19:55.280 Can you like whatever the sedative is called? 0:19:55.359 --> 0:19:58.679 Verse said, And then you know they're like, but how 0:19:58.720 --> 0:20:01.159 did she give birth to the baby if she's sedated? 0:20:01.280 --> 0:20:04.600 And of course Melinda has an answer, and it's basically 0:20:04.720 --> 0:20:08.120 a synthetic form of a hormone that was put into 0:20:08.200 --> 0:20:12.600 her anus via a suppository to make her give birth. Jesus, 0:20:13.000 --> 0:20:17.199 it's sick. And it's like, this is a sicko. And 0:20:17.240 --> 0:20:19.080 we watch a lot of sview and this is a 0:20:19.119 --> 0:20:24.800 fucking demented sicko. He's deranged, like she felt everything, couldn't move, 0:20:25.160 --> 0:20:28.320 forced her into labor, suffocated her, and ripped her baby out? 0:20:28.359 --> 0:20:30.800 Like how do you hate someone this much to do 0:20:30.880 --> 0:20:34.160 this to them? So, you know, Stabler and Benson head 0:20:34.200 --> 0:20:37.480 on over to the Flavor Institute. I mean, the Flavor 0:20:37.520 --> 0:20:38.800 Institute is just waiting. 0:20:38.560 --> 0:20:41.520 To flaor institute just sounds like so funny. 0:20:41.640 --> 0:20:44.639 I mean it sounds like what's his name, Guy Fieri's 0:20:44.720 --> 0:20:47.120 like school of cooking or something. 0:20:47.320 --> 0:20:49.919 Yeah, who's been very good at trying to help restaurants 0:20:50.000 --> 0:20:52.640 and save restaurants during this time. I know people hate 0:20:52.680 --> 0:20:54.280 him because of his blonde tips. 0:20:54.400 --> 0:20:56.720 I think he is slowly like coming out to the 0:20:56.760 --> 0:20:58.399 other side of being like a joke. 0:20:58.440 --> 0:20:59.560 I think people like him now. 0:21:00.000 --> 0:21:02.320 And I want to say I give a little credit 0:21:02.320 --> 0:21:04.960 to Shane Torres for the guy fear he flip around. 0:21:04.960 --> 0:21:07.280 He had a very amazing joke about it, and he 0:21:07.359 --> 0:21:10.959 did it on television, and I give him credit. So, 0:21:11.480 --> 0:21:14.360 you know, they're fighting with Ron. The Wolcotts deny it. 0:21:14.480 --> 0:21:17.040 They search their place and everything, and they're like, it's 0:21:17.080 --> 0:21:19.719 not us, it's not us, and so as of view 0:21:19.760 --> 0:21:22.080 are I'm beginning to think this is not the person. 0:21:22.520 --> 0:21:25.640 While they're searching, Casey Novak appears out of thin air. 0:21:25.800 --> 0:21:29.159 It's like a magic trick and she is here, and 0:21:29.520 --> 0:21:31.280 you know, Benson's like, who the hell are you? 0:21:31.960 --> 0:21:32.719 Which I like. 0:21:32.960 --> 0:21:36.479 Benson is immediately really antagonistic towards her. 0:21:36.520 --> 0:21:40.439 It's funny, yeah, right away, And you know, and I 0:21:40.600 --> 0:21:43.560 just love Casey's hair here. It looks like she just 0:21:43.640 --> 0:21:47.560 got out of bed and it's insane, no products, just 0:21:47.680 --> 0:21:50.000 like a ragamuffin a hair situation. 0:21:50.119 --> 0:21:51.159 It's so funny to me. 0:21:51.720 --> 0:21:54.280 But you know, the Ada walks in and Stabler knows 0:21:54.280 --> 0:21:57.639 her from the cop lawyer softball team game. 0:21:57.840 --> 0:21:59.760 I don't know they played softball, which we. 0:21:59.800 --> 0:22:00.880 Are obsessed with. 0:22:01.080 --> 0:22:04.959 Diane Neil in another episode has a baseball style like 0:22:05.040 --> 0:22:07.640 three quarter T shirt that says sex crimes on It. 0:22:07.760 --> 0:22:12.160 The greatest merch ever and we need it immediately because yeah, 0:22:12.160 --> 0:22:15.879 so they know each other from softball, and Stabler's like, 0:22:15.960 --> 0:22:17.919 get out of here. This isn't what you're supposed to do. 0:22:17.960 --> 0:22:19.480 You're a lawyer, and she's like, I like to be 0:22:19.600 --> 0:22:21.880 hands on. I want to get in the dirt with everything, 0:22:21.960 --> 0:22:24.240 and they're like, get the fuck away from us. Then 0:22:24.280 --> 0:22:27.440 she goes, have we checked Brionna's apartment? And it's like, yes, 0:22:27.520 --> 0:22:32.359 the detectives went to Brionna's apartment, adakc Novac, but she goes, 0:22:32.800 --> 0:22:35.199 but she goes but it hasn't been searched by me. 0:22:35.520 --> 0:22:38.240 And then they're back at Brionna's apartment. They're so contentious, 0:22:38.359 --> 0:22:41.720 like everything is defensive and angry, and she keeps giving 0:22:41.760 --> 0:22:45.520 ideas and Stabler keep I mean, Olivia keeps shutting them 0:22:45.560 --> 0:22:47.040 down but proving them wrong. 0:22:47.080 --> 0:22:48.439 So they find a stack of books. 0:22:48.640 --> 0:22:51.480 So Casey Novak's like, how do we know she wanted 0:22:51.520 --> 0:22:55.280 to keep the baby, and Benson sees what to expect 0:22:55.320 --> 0:22:57.360 when you're expecting types of books, and she goes, yeah, 0:22:57.400 --> 0:22:59.480 but when did she get them? And it's like from 0:22:59.520 --> 0:23:03.320 the live and there's stamp dates. Yeah, but then she 0:23:03.440 --> 0:23:06.320 does help out a little. There's a book called skin 0:23:06.440 --> 0:23:09.639 Diseases for the elderly, So why would a young woman 0:23:09.760 --> 0:23:10.080 have that? 0:23:10.240 --> 0:23:12.719 Can I just ask really quickly that if anybody's listening, 0:23:12.760 --> 0:23:14.800 can you and you have like a law background or 0:23:14.800 --> 0:23:16.480 I know we have some like law students and stuff 0:23:16.480 --> 0:23:18.720 who listened to us, Just like, let me know how 0:23:18.760 --> 0:23:21.840 often eightas are like searching crime scenes on their own. 0:23:21.920 --> 0:23:23.760 I just feel like that's not a thing. But in 0:23:23.760 --> 0:23:27.960 this show, like Careesi's doing unassisted pull ups, people are 0:23:28.359 --> 0:23:31.240 like eightas are just showing up on the scene all 0:23:31.280 --> 0:23:33.919 the time, and I feel like they're more courtroom focused. 0:23:33.960 --> 0:23:36.280 So please let me know if that's a normal thing. Yeah. 0:23:36.400 --> 0:23:40.240 The tag team relay race continues, and we're at the library, 0:23:40.760 --> 0:23:45.320 and every library and in a New York City library 0:23:45.480 --> 0:23:48.439 knows Brianna and everything she's ever done in the. 0:23:48.560 --> 0:23:52.320 Library, Like it is really incredible. 0:23:52.520 --> 0:23:54.520 She's there all the time, and what we find out 0:23:54.760 --> 0:23:58.119 is She saw a magazine with a photo of a 0:23:58.160 --> 0:24:01.240 man and went and said, how do I get information 0:24:01.400 --> 0:24:01.760 on him? 0:24:01.760 --> 0:24:02.880 Went to a different. 0:24:02.520 --> 0:24:06.800 Librarian who showed her the name and the books he wrote, 0:24:06.840 --> 0:24:09.199 and then immediately she asked, give me a book or 0:24:09.240 --> 0:24:12.920 information on paternity tests. So we now find out there's 0:24:13.240 --> 0:24:16.640 this dermatologist who is the baby daddy? Who is this 0:24:16.680 --> 0:24:22.479 one night stand and she obviously let him know. So 0:24:22.640 --> 0:24:27.520 then we're at a super fancy office and this doctor 0:24:28.040 --> 0:24:31.679 is denying it all. He has his own line of 0:24:31.720 --> 0:24:36.320 skincare with pretty displays, but not like a normal suspect. 0:24:36.760 --> 0:24:41.160 He agrees to a paternity test very quickly and says, actually, 0:24:41.359 --> 0:24:44.719 I was going to suggest that. So we're back at 0:24:44.760 --> 0:24:47.479 the precinct. Ron is cleared of all the evidence, and 0:24:47.520 --> 0:24:52.320 then Munch comes in and says, okay, bad news this guy. 0:24:52.680 --> 0:24:56.879 What's the guy's name, Newlan's, Newlan's. So the funny thing 0:24:56.920 --> 0:24:59.000 with newlns. I don't know if you've seen the movie Saved, 0:24:59.080 --> 0:25:01.359 but I only think of him as Pastor Skip, so 0:25:01.400 --> 0:25:03.959 I might be calling him pastor Skip for this episode. 0:25:04.359 --> 0:25:07.560 So Munch comes in and says, Pastor Skip did not 0:25:08.160 --> 0:25:11.159 commit this crime. His DNA does not match, but his 0:25:11.320 --> 0:25:14.760 DNA matches a cold case, so we just cleared a 0:25:14.800 --> 0:25:17.320 cold case. So they go and arrest him while he's 0:25:17.320 --> 0:25:19.320 in the middle of botox, which is amazing. I love 0:25:19.359 --> 0:25:21.399 when they interrupt doctors in their office and they're like, 0:25:21.440 --> 0:25:23.919 you can't be in here, and they're like that. So 0:25:24.680 --> 0:25:29.879 he gets arrested for raping a six year old in 0:25:29.960 --> 0:25:34.040 nineteen ninety eight, and the acting here is amazing because 0:25:34.080 --> 0:25:35.920 you could tell he's confused. 0:25:36.760 --> 0:25:38.240 So we're in the interrogation room. 0:25:38.240 --> 0:25:41.560 He's denying it the whole time, and then Casey Novak's 0:25:41.640 --> 0:25:45.320 interrupting the case like she's getting too involved Stabler in 0:25:45.359 --> 0:25:49.160 her r fighting. It's just a really hectic interrogation scene 0:25:49.240 --> 0:25:52.560 where he's denying everything. Casey Novaks wants to be by 0:25:52.600 --> 0:25:57.720 the book constantly, and then we get the sexiest man 0:25:57.760 --> 0:25:58.840 of all, Trevor Langen. 0:25:59.480 --> 0:26:03.840 He comes in Marishka Hargate's real life husband, Peter Herman. 0:26:04.119 --> 0:26:08.120 Yeah, and so he's there to protect a pedophile like always, 0:26:08.400 --> 0:26:10.800 and you know he did do good work but in 0:26:10.840 --> 0:26:15.080 the future, but whatever. So mister Benson's looking fine as 0:26:15.119 --> 0:26:19.199 hell and he comes and starts defending mister Skip, so 0:26:20.119 --> 0:26:22.520 you know, what they know about pedophiles is it's never 0:26:22.640 --> 0:26:24.439 just one. There's got to be a pattern, and we 0:26:24.520 --> 0:26:28.280 have to find more victims because pedophiles don't stop at one, 0:26:28.359 --> 0:26:31.280 especially if they're not caught, Like something is up here. 0:26:31.640 --> 0:26:34.600 So they end up going to visit the girl that 0:26:35.000 --> 0:26:37.479 was the initial victim from nineteen ninety eight, and they 0:26:37.520 --> 0:26:40.760 have to find more victims because that case has reached 0:26:40.760 --> 0:26:44.200 its what's the word statue to limitation, which is bullshit. 0:26:44.280 --> 0:26:47.560 I don't understand statue of limitations. If you rape a 0:26:47.640 --> 0:26:51.159 child fifteen years ago, why in the DNA matches? Like 0:26:51.320 --> 0:26:54.600 what the fuck? Like what pedophile came up with statue 0:26:54.600 --> 0:26:56.520 of limitations? I don't understand. 0:26:56.960 --> 0:26:59.879 I feel like they've been extended more in a lot 0:26:59.920 --> 0:27:02.439 of states. But maybe I'm I might, I might not 0:27:02.520 --> 0:27:04.920 know that, Like I think that a lot of people 0:27:04.960 --> 0:27:05.600 feel the same. 0:27:05.440 --> 0:27:05.840 Way you do. 0:27:06.040 --> 0:27:09.800 I just it's really does not help victims. It's it's 0:27:09.960 --> 0:27:12.920 very annoying to me. So they meet this girl and 0:27:13.040 --> 0:27:15.679 she has really sweet, curly hair, and she's got an 0:27:15.680 --> 0:27:18.960 attitude because obviously she's dealt with a lot of trauma. 0:27:19.480 --> 0:27:22.800 And we find out that this is like a honey 0:27:22.920 --> 0:27:26.159 kind of rapist. Where he carries herround packets of honey 0:27:26.200 --> 0:27:29.240 that he puts on his dick and makes children lick 0:27:29.280 --> 0:27:33.000 it off, and then that leads to sexual assault and 0:27:33.240 --> 0:27:37.600 they find a case two months prior with this honey signature, 0:27:38.119 --> 0:27:39.640 and Casey's. 0:27:39.200 --> 0:27:41.119 Like, we're bringing the kid in. We're bringing the kid. 0:27:40.960 --> 0:27:44.760 In for a lineup, and everyone at the SVU is like, yo, 0:27:45.119 --> 0:27:47.720 this is gonna we can't bring a child this young in. 0:27:47.840 --> 0:27:48.800 It's gonna fuck her up. 0:27:48.840 --> 0:27:50.680 And if she does something right, like no, and she's 0:27:50.720 --> 0:27:52.720 fighting with them, and it's like, Casey, you came from 0:27:52.800 --> 0:27:55.480 white collar crimes, Like why are you not listening to 0:27:55.520 --> 0:27:58.680 these special victim detectives that are telling you this is 0:27:58.720 --> 0:27:59.440 a bad idea. 0:27:59.840 --> 0:28:01.000 The child comes in. 0:28:01.320 --> 0:28:04.960 She's so cute, so cute, honestly, I mean, we have 0:28:04.960 --> 0:28:07.480 an incredible guest and I can't believe we have her. 0:28:07.760 --> 0:28:11.720 But my second choice was this kid, like even before 0:28:11.760 --> 0:28:14.600 pastor skip, this kid lives rent free. In my mind, 0:28:14.920 --> 0:28:18.600 I like her so much, so sweet, and she's Alicia, 0:28:18.760 --> 0:28:21.720 and she's so scared, and she does a bad job 0:28:21.840 --> 0:28:25.720 quote unquote like doesn't name the suspect. 0:28:25.480 --> 0:28:27.679 And so she's like, I'm sorry. 0:28:27.320 --> 0:28:30.480 And then you know, Benson goes to yell at Casey 0:28:30.520 --> 0:28:32.879 Novak for being a dumb bitch, and Casey Novak is 0:28:32.920 --> 0:28:37.440 crying and understands what she did was not good. So 0:28:37.680 --> 0:28:40.680 Benson and Novak talk about dating, and we find out 0:28:40.760 --> 0:28:43.880 everyone in the Special Victims unit has a clusterfuck of 0:28:44.400 --> 0:28:48.640 bad marriages and divorces and dating experiences, which is not 0:28:48.720 --> 0:28:49.320 news to us. 0:28:49.360 --> 0:28:51.400 And Casey's like, why do you do it? She's like, 0:28:51.600 --> 0:28:53.640 because someone's got to, because they're heroes. 0:28:54.160 --> 0:28:59.880 So Casey goes to Newland's wife to convince her, like, 0:29:00.040 --> 0:29:02.000 why aren't you helping us? We know that you're lying, 0:29:02.240 --> 0:29:05.360 and reveals that there's DNA evidence, and then you see 0:29:05.400 --> 0:29:08.160 that she has shook because he never mentioned the DNA. 0:29:08.320 --> 0:29:10.480 She's a doctor, she knows DNA doesn't lie. 0:29:10.640 --> 0:29:12.400 Lisa, do you watch Handmaid's Tale? 0:29:12.480 --> 0:29:14.520 I don't know. It's too scary. Oh okay. 0:29:14.560 --> 0:29:18.480 I get like a very Yvonne Strahowsky, who plays the 0:29:18.520 --> 0:29:21.160 main bad guy's like wife. I get a bit vibe 0:29:21.160 --> 0:29:25.160 from that from her. Well I know her from Dexter. Yes, 0:29:25.200 --> 0:29:27.040 it's her from Dexter. Like I get that vibe from 0:29:27.040 --> 0:29:29.480 the wife, like the tight braid and like just like 0:29:29.840 --> 0:29:32.800 the way she's pouring a drink while she talks to Casey. 0:29:32.880 --> 0:29:35.960 I was just getting very Handmaid's Tale vibes. But go on, well, no, 0:29:36.080 --> 0:29:37.400 someone that's not drinking right now. 0:29:37.480 --> 0:29:39.400 Trust me, in my notes it did say whiskey and 0:29:39.440 --> 0:29:43.560 I wanted some, so I didn't mention the drink. I'm 0:29:43.560 --> 0:29:47.280 glad you did, so you know, good move on, Casey. 0:29:47.400 --> 0:29:51.160 I don't think it's part of the rules. So Trevor 0:29:51.160 --> 0:29:54.520 and Casey they're fighting with a judge about legal stuff, 0:29:54.520 --> 0:29:57.560 and it's the judge with the red curls, Judge Lois Preston, 0:29:57.920 --> 0:29:59.680 which I think we should could say. 0:29:59.680 --> 0:30:00.920 Can I think she's. 0:30:00.800 --> 0:30:05.440 Yes, she's a full, no nonsense bitch judge and I 0:30:05.480 --> 0:30:05.880 love her. 0:30:06.280 --> 0:30:06.680 Yeah. 0:30:06.720 --> 0:30:12.320 So now we are in the courtroom and Pastor Skip's 0:30:12.320 --> 0:30:15.400 not showing up to court, so that's a big deal. 0:30:15.480 --> 0:30:18.040 And then the funniest thing that's ever happened on SVU 0:30:18.320 --> 0:30:21.760 we have So they set up Trevor to meet Pastor 0:30:21.840 --> 0:30:24.240 Skip in a diner, and then Munch and Finn are 0:30:24.280 --> 0:30:28.160 sitting and we learn that Much is a bad investor 0:30:28.200 --> 0:30:32.400 in dive bars and restaurants, which, thanks for that tidbit. 0:30:32.600 --> 0:30:35.080 He's like trying to get Finn to invest in this diner, 0:30:35.160 --> 0:30:37.680 and it just makes me laugh so much. And they 0:30:37.760 --> 0:30:40.640 are so mean to Trevor, who's like helping them catch 0:30:40.680 --> 0:30:43.280 this guy, and they're like eyes up front, you little 0:30:43.320 --> 0:30:45.960 turd breath Like I don't remember exactly what they say 0:30:45.960 --> 0:30:49.400 to him, but they're just like, you bottom feeder. And 0:30:49.720 --> 0:30:53.560 why didn't Pastor Skips show up anywhere? He's murdered, shot 0:30:53.560 --> 0:30:55.640 in the back of the head, bleeding everywhere, because then 0:30:55.680 --> 0:30:57.760 they're like, oh, was it suicide? No, No one can 0:30:57.760 --> 0:30:59.600 shoot themselves in the back of the head, please do 0:30:59.640 --> 0:31:03.240 not try. So the wife and kids have moved out. 0:31:03.840 --> 0:31:06.040 I don't think they even look for who killed this guy, 0:31:06.160 --> 0:31:08.960 Like they truly don't even care. Clearly, I think it's 0:31:09.000 --> 0:31:12.160 the wife, but they never touch on it, and it's 0:31:12.240 --> 0:31:12.920 just amazing. 0:31:12.920 --> 0:31:15.160 They're like, yeah, good riddance. Oh I thought that it 0:31:15.240 --> 0:31:19.120 was the pedophile. Oh really, I for some reason I 0:31:19.160 --> 0:31:21.560 thought that, Hannah, have you watched this episode? I don't 0:31:21.560 --> 0:31:24.120 think they mention it, but I think that's like assumed. 0:31:24.680 --> 0:31:26.680 I don't think it's assumed it's his wife. 0:31:26.920 --> 0:31:29.280 Yeah, I think it's the pedophile because she's like, you 0:31:29.360 --> 0:31:32.440 can't He's like whatever, you did to like implicate me 0:31:33.040 --> 0:31:35.560 or like implicate yourself, like you're not getting away. 0:31:35.680 --> 0:31:37.440 I think they thought like if he died, it would 0:31:37.480 --> 0:31:38.080 just end the. 0:31:38.000 --> 0:31:41.320 Case and the person could continue, and the person could continue. 0:31:43.000 --> 0:31:45.360 So he's murdered, shot in the back of the head, 0:31:45.520 --> 0:31:50.840 and basically there's another crime scene, you know, terrible. 0:31:51.040 --> 0:31:53.280 Another girl was snatched. There's a honey packet. 0:31:53.440 --> 0:31:56.760 Beady Wong found it and he was just saying, this 0:31:56.840 --> 0:31:59.520 is like a last Tarrah and the kid could be dead. 0:31:59.560 --> 0:32:01.320 So they really have to get to work. 0:32:01.360 --> 0:32:04.160 And so we're at the Emmy's office and we have 0:32:04.440 --> 0:32:08.680 a pastor skip on the slab and Melinda's giving the 0:32:08.760 --> 0:32:11.840 rundown of what's going on. He has this giant scar 0:32:11.960 --> 0:32:14.520 on his upper arm and they find a tube of 0:32:14.640 --> 0:32:18.480 blood inside of his arm, and everyone is super confused. 0:32:18.920 --> 0:32:21.200 Melinda is like, yeah, he could have given himself a 0:32:21.280 --> 0:32:23.160 local and did it himself. 0:32:23.200 --> 0:32:25.840 And everyone's like, but why would anyone do this? And 0:32:25.880 --> 0:32:26.960 then we have bead Wong. 0:32:27.080 --> 0:32:29.600 He's not in the FBI for no reason, and he 0:32:29.680 --> 0:32:34.200 goes oh to beat a paternity test. So basically, this 0:32:34.440 --> 0:32:39.200 dermatologist to get out of a double homicide, took some 0:32:39.320 --> 0:32:42.840 blood from the dermatology office implanted it in a tube 0:32:42.880 --> 0:32:46.840 into his arm, and that blood happened to be a 0:32:46.840 --> 0:32:48.040 pedophile rapist. 0:32:48.320 --> 0:32:50.520 I mean, can you make this stuff up? 0:32:52.040 --> 0:32:54.960 I don't know, all right, So the conversation is, why 0:32:54.960 --> 0:32:56.960 wouldn't he just come forward? And it's like, would you 0:32:57.040 --> 0:32:59.960 rather be a pedophile rapist or a double homicide person? 0:33:00.160 --> 0:33:02.200 And like, I don't know. It's it seems like a 0:33:02.240 --> 0:33:05.680 hard decision to make. But rich like older people like that, 0:33:05.920 --> 0:33:07.400 like white dudes, like I think he thought he was 0:33:07.400 --> 0:33:10.160 going to get away with it. So then they understand 0:33:10.280 --> 0:33:13.640 that the pedophile probably hears the news that they caught 0:33:13.680 --> 0:33:15.840 someone and is so pumped that he goes out to 0:33:15.880 --> 0:33:18.680 be like the worst person again because he knows that 0:33:18.920 --> 0:33:22.840 they're busy working on something else. So they go to 0:33:22.880 --> 0:33:25.880 the dermatology office for the wife to help figure out 0:33:25.960 --> 0:33:30.000 whose blood it is, and she remembers that her husband 0:33:30.080 --> 0:33:32.840 lied about having a cut on her daughter's eighteenth birthday. 0:33:33.200 --> 0:33:36.680 She lied for him before the day that he killed Brianna, 0:33:37.200 --> 0:33:41.920 and so Peter Nessler that is who she took blood from, 0:33:42.000 --> 0:33:45.080 because he had a melanoma and he's addicted to botox apparently, 0:33:45.480 --> 0:33:47.720 And they go to his apartment. He has like tons 0:33:47.800 --> 0:33:51.240 of honeybear like those containers of honey that are shaped 0:33:51.280 --> 0:33:53.920 like bears, which I love. I think they're the cutest 0:33:54.280 --> 0:33:56.880 and I want to get a tattoo of one of them. 0:33:56.920 --> 0:34:01.480 And now I'm conflicted. But Casey shows up and they're 0:34:01.520 --> 0:34:05.160 like so mad to see her, but she goes. 0:34:05.000 --> 0:34:06.240 No, I have a warrant for you. 0:34:06.280 --> 0:34:09.279 And wait, hold on, are those plugs and worms in ba? 0:34:09.400 --> 0:34:12.400 And I'm actually a fisher lady. So all of a sudden, 0:34:13.280 --> 0:34:18.000 she's a fishing expert, and she notices the rods are rusted, 0:34:18.239 --> 0:34:20.960 and so she knows that he fishes in saltwater. There's 0:34:20.960 --> 0:34:23.160 a photo of the boat and the boat has some 0:34:23.200 --> 0:34:24.640 perverted honey slip. 0:34:24.680 --> 0:34:25.640 What's an honeydew. 0:34:25.680 --> 0:34:29.040 It's called honeydew like the melon, but it's more disgusting. 0:34:29.520 --> 0:34:34.239 Yeah, So they run to this boat place, and you know, 0:34:34.280 --> 0:34:36.040 they see a guy and they think that it's him, 0:34:36.120 --> 0:34:38.479 and then they tell Casey Novak like she's a bad, 0:34:38.600 --> 0:34:39.200 bad child. 0:34:39.280 --> 0:34:41.600 They're like, you stay right here and don't you come 0:34:41.680 --> 0:34:42.360 any too close. 0:34:43.440 --> 0:34:46.359 So they start chasing the pedophile he's running and then 0:34:46.400 --> 0:34:49.239 he stabler gets him in the water and then as 0:34:49.239 --> 0:34:52.560 Stabler and his perfect anger problems, he keeps dunking him 0:34:52.560 --> 0:34:54.879 in the water way too long and just really trying 0:34:54.920 --> 0:34:58.520 to drown this guy, and we're into it. And then 0:34:58.960 --> 0:35:02.440 Casey Novak listens to her instincts reaches into the cooler 0:35:02.520 --> 0:35:05.399 and she ends up saving the victim and there's a 0:35:05.440 --> 0:35:08.040 girl in the cooler, and so she is now holding 0:35:08.320 --> 0:35:09.080 this child. 0:35:09.200 --> 0:35:10.080 It's like the end of a. 0:35:10.040 --> 0:35:13.400 War movie and she is the hero that saves the 0:35:13.480 --> 0:35:16.359 kid and hopefully the end it's a slam dunk case 0:35:16.400 --> 0:35:19.120 for her first case. And then she goes to from 0:35:19.600 --> 0:35:23.600 da Arthur Branch who's played by Fred Thompson, and she's. 0:35:23.360 --> 0:35:25.520 Like, I can't do this job. This isn't for me. 0:35:25.680 --> 0:35:27.960 It's too much, and he goes, You're perfect for the 0:35:28.080 --> 0:35:30.399 job because you care, and you know, he's a real 0:35:30.480 --> 0:35:34.000 senator Fred Thompson, who then became. 0:35:34.000 --> 0:35:36.280 This character and is so good at it. I didn't 0:35:36.320 --> 0:35:36.600 know that. 0:35:36.960 --> 0:35:38.840 Yeah he ran for president. 0:35:39.080 --> 0:35:40.840 Wow, that's amazing. 0:35:41.000 --> 0:35:44.680 Yeah, he was a Republican who represented Tennessee for a while. 0:35:44.880 --> 0:35:46.120 Wow, that's amazing. 0:35:46.200 --> 0:35:49.560 He just became like right after he was done, he 0:35:49.680 --> 0:35:52.839 became this like sort of long running character on the show. 0:35:52.920 --> 0:35:56.880 And he knew that Casey Novak was gonna thrive in 0:35:56.960 --> 0:36:00.560 this position. So we're gonna take a break and we'll 0:36:00.560 --> 0:36:03.840 be back to hear about the wild. 0:36:03.840 --> 0:36:22.880 Real life events. Okay, we are back. I hope you 0:36:22.960 --> 0:36:24.400 enjoyed those advertisements. 0:36:24.520 --> 0:36:25.919 So a couple of things we wanted to just bring 0:36:25.960 --> 0:36:28.400 up up top from the first half of the show. 0:36:28.800 --> 0:36:31.680 Lisa was talking about Statute of Limitations. So it turns 0:36:31.680 --> 0:36:34.600 out that the Statute of Limitations was originally founded to 0:36:34.760 --> 0:36:37.359 ensure that people were not getting convicted with old and 0:36:37.400 --> 0:36:40.040 degraded evidence. But I think that that was made like 0:36:40.280 --> 0:36:44.239 pre DNA and the preservation of DNA and stuff like that. 0:36:44.400 --> 0:36:48.120 So now actually ten states have abolished the Statute of 0:36:48.200 --> 0:36:51.719 limitations with crimes like this, so that's really great, and we. 0:36:51.760 --> 0:36:53.960 Hope other states will follow suit. 0:36:54.480 --> 0:36:59.520 But let's get into this crime. This is really fucking wild. 0:37:00.120 --> 0:37:03.120 I definitely have seen forensic files in my life. I 0:37:03.160 --> 0:37:05.400 know Lisa is a big fan. I just have it 0:37:05.440 --> 0:37:08.520 in a while, watch the forensics files, and I watched 0:37:08.520 --> 0:37:10.640 one on this case, and it was a treat and 0:37:10.680 --> 0:37:14.839 a dream, like it's really just so funny. And I've 0:37:14.880 --> 0:37:17.439 been in well, I don't know Funny is the word. 0:37:18.200 --> 0:37:20.960 The reenactments are funny to me. The reenactments are funny, 0:37:21.040 --> 0:37:24.400 like that's it. Sorry, And it's so dramatic, very dramatic. 0:37:24.480 --> 0:37:26.880 I've been in a YouTube hole and I was watching 0:37:26.960 --> 0:37:31.400 Juliet Lewis interviews and she is very into forensic files. 0:37:31.440 --> 0:37:34.560 And then all the YouTube comments were like, well, where 0:37:34.680 --> 0:37:36.480 is the scientology guy's wife? 0:37:36.520 --> 0:37:40.839 Why don't you forensic files? That one? Every comment was like. 0:37:40.719 --> 0:37:44.279 Why are you miss cabbage? Let's get one on that. 0:37:44.280 --> 0:37:45.080 That's so funny. 0:37:45.360 --> 0:37:45.760 Okay. 0:37:45.840 --> 0:37:47.680 So this crime that I'm about to talk to you 0:37:47.680 --> 0:37:51.240 guys about happened in a small Canadian farm town called 0:37:51.360 --> 0:37:55.600 Kiplings in Saskatchewan. It's a place where the farmumb animals 0:37:55.640 --> 0:37:59.480 outnumbered the residents. Everybody knows who everybody is. They're known 0:37:59.520 --> 0:38:02.600 for like maybe five to six sexual assaults a year, 0:38:02.719 --> 0:38:05.920 break ins, like just a very like low key crime 0:38:06.000 --> 0:38:10.879 situation in this part of Canada. And Halloween nineteen ninety two, 0:38:11.080 --> 0:38:14.360 this woman named Candy was working at a gas station. 0:38:15.000 --> 0:38:17.160 This is the really the reenactment that made me laugh 0:38:17.200 --> 0:38:19.120 because like they have a whole reenactment of her. Her 0:38:19.120 --> 0:38:21.080 boyfriend comes into her gas station, they get into a 0:38:21.160 --> 0:38:23.319 huge fight, and so like, obviously this actress comes out. 0:38:23.360 --> 0:38:25.600 It's like, I just can't even talk to you right now, 0:38:25.640 --> 0:38:28.200 and it's just this really funny like they look very nineties. 0:38:28.440 --> 0:38:31.560 So Candy, really worked up from her fight with her boyfriend, 0:38:31.920 --> 0:38:35.000 goes to visit her girlfriend, who like works at the hospital, 0:38:35.440 --> 0:38:38.319 and I guess the girlfriend's not there, So a nurse 0:38:38.360 --> 0:38:42.200 suggests she sees a doctor. I do not get why, Like, 0:38:43.040 --> 0:38:45.800 I guess she's pretty hysterical, but it's just it seems 0:38:45.840 --> 0:38:48.480 strange to be like, you need medical attention because you're 0:38:48.480 --> 0:38:52.279 mad from a fight. So the nurse gets doctor John Schneiberger, 0:38:52.320 --> 0:38:54.320 who was on call that night and who is actually 0:38:54.440 --> 0:38:58.239 Candy's doctor. He had delivered her baby, so he recommends 0:38:58.280 --> 0:39:01.279 a sedative for Candy because she had said she was 0:39:01.320 --> 0:39:03.200 so mad she felt like killing her boyfriend. But she 0:39:03.200 --> 0:39:05.560 obviously didn't mean I'm going to kill my boyfriend. She 0:39:05.640 --> 0:39:07.799 was just like describing how angry she was, and she 0:39:07.840 --> 0:39:09.760 thought the doctor was just going to give her some pills, 0:39:10.000 --> 0:39:11.200 but instead he gives. 0:39:11.040 --> 0:39:11.720 Her a shot. 0:39:12.400 --> 0:39:15.399 She goes numb almost right away, has no control over 0:39:15.440 --> 0:39:18.799 her muscles. She says she tried to scream, but it 0:39:18.920 --> 0:39:22.000 just came out like a croaking sound like, So it's terrifying. 0:39:22.040 --> 0:39:24.680 It's almost like it's almost like in a situation like this, 0:39:24.800 --> 0:39:26.439 I don't know what you think, Lisa, Like, I would 0:39:26.520 --> 0:39:30.120 rather just be fully knocked out than have this like paralyzing. 0:39:30.520 --> 0:39:32.200 You know what's going on, but you're paralyzed. 0:39:32.360 --> 0:39:35.040 Well, I think that's a part of the episode where 0:39:35.040 --> 0:39:37.640 it's like these people are extra sick, you know, like 0:39:37.760 --> 0:39:40.719 they want the person to suffer and remember it. 0:39:40.840 --> 0:39:43.480 Yeah, because it's probably, as a doctor, very easy to grab, 0:39:43.520 --> 0:39:46.080 like a full anesthetic that knocks someone out right. 0:39:46.160 --> 0:39:46.279 Like. 0:39:47.080 --> 0:39:50.560 So anyway, she's not sure what happens next, but she 0:39:50.680 --> 0:39:53.240 believes that she was raped because she was semi awake, 0:39:53.320 --> 0:39:55.560 and she's like, you know, she kind of describes it 0:39:55.600 --> 0:39:57.040 as like you know when you're at the dentist and 0:39:57.040 --> 0:39:59.400 you kind of feel them wriggling around the tooth, like 0:40:00.040 --> 0:40:02.120 you know, they're moving your tooth around even though you're 0:40:02.120 --> 0:40:03.920 not feeling the pain. So it's like that's what she 0:40:04.000 --> 0:40:06.719 kind of equates her feeling when she woke up, so 0:40:06.760 --> 0:40:08.799 she knew something happened. So this woman, I just have 0:40:08.880 --> 0:40:11.000 to give like the most props to Kennedy. 0:40:11.200 --> 0:40:14.359 She is so smart. She fucking does everything right. 0:40:14.400 --> 0:40:17.480 In this case, she wakes up, she places her underwear 0:40:17.480 --> 0:40:20.840 in an air tight bag. The nurses had convinced her 0:40:20.920 --> 0:40:23.920 to stay overnight, and she didn't mention the event to them, 0:40:23.960 --> 0:40:26.640 which people later think is suspicious. And I'm like, why 0:40:26.640 --> 0:40:28.799 would she trust nurses if she wakes up and the 0:40:28.840 --> 0:40:30.680 doctor has just raped her? Like, why would she trust? 0:40:30.719 --> 0:40:32.640 I wouldn't trust anyone around me. I'd be like, what, 0:40:32.920 --> 0:40:33.319 they're in. 0:40:33.280 --> 0:40:36.640 Cahoots, especially since the nurse is the one that said, oh, 0:40:36.680 --> 0:40:38.880 you should go see the doctor, right. 0:40:38.800 --> 0:40:40.760 So you like, I don't think it's weird she didn't 0:40:40.800 --> 0:40:42.879 mention it to these nurses, Like like what I mean? 0:40:43.160 --> 0:40:45.320 I just I think that's a completely normal reaction. 0:40:45.480 --> 0:40:49.120 Well, it's also, like you mentioned, like she did everything right, 0:40:49.160 --> 0:40:52.480 and that's like the whole argument sometimes with I don't 0:40:52.520 --> 0:40:55.319 even know with who, but like, a rape victim can 0:40:55.360 --> 0:40:58.239 never do everything right because someone will always find some 0:40:58.520 --> 0:41:00.840 weird thing where it's like, but you were wearing a 0:41:00.880 --> 0:41:03.839 bathing suit and it's like so what, like they look 0:41:04.200 --> 0:41:06.760 People that don't want to believe rape victims will find 0:41:06.880 --> 0:41:11.800 any reason to devalue or like not listen to a story. 0:41:11.880 --> 0:41:13.879 And I don't mean to imply that any rape victim 0:41:13.960 --> 0:41:16.040 is doing anything wrong now by not doing the things 0:41:16.040 --> 0:41:18.920 that this woman's doing. All I'm saying is she clearly 0:41:19.000 --> 0:41:22.000 knew about like DNA, and like this is only nineteen 0:41:22.080 --> 0:41:24.800 ninety two. She knows a lot about DNA. She knows 0:41:24.840 --> 0:41:27.279 like about chain of evidence and everything like that. Like 0:41:27.320 --> 0:41:29.920 she does, she takes a lot of steps that actually 0:41:29.960 --> 0:41:31.919 help her case. Is what I'm meaning to say, Well, no, 0:41:32.000 --> 0:41:33.880 I know I didn't think you said that. I I 0:41:34.480 --> 0:41:35.279 was just clarifying. 0:41:35.480 --> 0:41:37.840 But even if she like went to the nurse, they 0:41:37.880 --> 0:41:39.799 would be like, but what about that? Or like if 0:41:39.800 --> 0:41:41.960 she waited till the next day to text a friend, 0:41:42.080 --> 0:41:44.920 or she didn't do like there. It's like the fucking 0:41:44.960 --> 0:41:48.680 defense attorneys on SVU. They will find any random ass 0:41:48.719 --> 0:41:52.160 thing to inflate to be a reason why you're lying. 0:41:52.480 --> 0:41:54.080 Right, Well, and here's what happened. 0:41:54.080 --> 0:41:57.279 So the next day she confronts doctor Schneberger and goes, 0:41:57.320 --> 0:41:59.560 what the hell was that drug you gave me last night? 0:41:59.800 --> 0:42:01.960 And he goes, why did it give you bad dreams? 0:42:02.719 --> 0:42:05.439 So's she knew immediately that he was trying to cover 0:42:05.480 --> 0:42:07.640 his tracks, like with when he said that like that 0:42:07.719 --> 0:42:09.799 he was trying to make it seem like she had 0:42:09.840 --> 0:42:13.000 hallucinated this. So like they have interviews with her parents 0:42:13.000 --> 0:42:14.600 were like they're just very Canadian. 0:42:14.640 --> 0:42:16.480 They're like, I was really hoping it wasn't true. 0:42:16.520 --> 0:42:18.320 A like every they have like a lot of a's, 0:42:18.360 --> 0:42:20.320 and it's just like I always think that that's exaggerated 0:42:20.360 --> 0:42:22.000 because I have a lot of Canadian friends who don't 0:42:22.040 --> 0:42:24.920 say A. But these people are very Canadian in this 0:42:25.080 --> 0:42:27.240 some thing, and they're very sweet people. 0:42:27.760 --> 0:42:28.759 But anyway, the. 0:42:28.760 --> 0:42:31.320 Parents could tell from her face they believed her immediately. 0:42:31.320 --> 0:42:33.799 They could tell something was up, which I just like 0:42:33.880 --> 0:42:34.960 love supportive parents. 0:42:35.360 --> 0:42:37.759 So Candy knew she couldn't. 0:42:37.400 --> 0:42:39.560 Go back to get like a test at that hospital 0:42:39.719 --> 0:42:44.000 on her like body, So she drives to Regina rhymes 0:42:44.000 --> 0:42:46.000 with vagina. I don't know why they don't call themselves 0:42:46.000 --> 0:42:48.719 Regina And that's a two hour drive away. So she 0:42:48.840 --> 0:42:50.839 drives herself two hours away to go to a rape 0:42:50.840 --> 0:42:53.640 clinic for testing. They find semen on her jeans, in 0:42:53.680 --> 0:42:57.120 her underwear and in a vaginal swab, so very like 0:42:57.320 --> 0:42:59.960 smart that she drove there probably without showering or anything. 0:43:00.640 --> 0:43:02.600 She just like really wanted to know if this happened, 0:43:02.680 --> 0:43:04.560 or if she was imagining it like she wasn't. 0:43:04.719 --> 0:43:05.840 She was pretty positive. 0:43:05.880 --> 0:43:09.239 But you know, and they find the exact same drug 0:43:09.239 --> 0:43:11.720 they use in the episode verse said in her system, 0:43:11.760 --> 0:43:14.360 which is this pre anesthetic agent that's supposed to like, 0:43:15.200 --> 0:43:17.359 you know, loosen you up and make you sort of 0:43:17.440 --> 0:43:20.600 numb before I think you get fully put under, and 0:43:20.640 --> 0:43:22.480 so you're still semi conscious. 0:43:22.880 --> 0:43:25.080 So many people in the town believe that Candy was lying. 0:43:25.160 --> 0:43:28.919 It's this small town, it's this typical thing of he 0:43:29.000 --> 0:43:32.160 is this respected doctor and a respected member of the community. 0:43:32.280 --> 0:43:35.000 Candy's like a twenty three year old girl, apparently prone 0:43:35.040 --> 0:43:38.160 to emotional outbursts. She's an unwed mother and has a 0:43:38.200 --> 0:43:41.400 reputation as a party girl. I mean, okay, whatever. 0:43:41.560 --> 0:43:46.040 I just saw a Instagram quote that said, how come 0:43:46.400 --> 0:43:49.640 this like single mothers are the ones vilified when they're 0:43:49.680 --> 0:43:53.879 the parent that stayed. Hmmm yeah, patriarchy, Like why are 0:43:53.880 --> 0:43:56.640 we not mad that these people that are leaving their kids? 0:43:57.239 --> 0:44:01.040 So yeah, so they thought all these people thought that 0:44:01.120 --> 0:44:03.960 Candy was in it for a relationship with the doctor, 0:44:04.160 --> 0:44:06.840 like they wanted to have her, like she was what 0:44:07.120 --> 0:44:09.759 blackmailing him into a relationship, or that she was in 0:44:09.800 --> 0:44:12.200 it for money, and like people, like I said, people 0:44:12.200 --> 0:44:14.040 were suspicious, she didn't say anything to the nurses. 0:44:14.080 --> 0:44:15.720 I think that's complete bullshit. 0:44:16.160 --> 0:44:18.960 And then, much like in this episode with Pastor Skip, 0:44:19.719 --> 0:44:22.520 doctor Schneberger willingly agrees to give blood for the DNA 0:44:22.560 --> 0:44:26.520 tests and it doesn't match, and Candy's like, that's impossible, 0:44:26.960 --> 0:44:29.960 but she would not let this issue died. She insisted 0:44:30.000 --> 0:44:32.719 that someone had tampered with the DNA test that was 0:44:32.800 --> 0:44:33.279 ninety two. 0:44:33.440 --> 0:44:35.439 He agreed to a second test in ninety three, which 0:44:35.480 --> 0:44:36.600 was monitored by the police. 0:44:36.880 --> 0:44:39.360 Once again, the DNA did not match the DNA on 0:44:39.360 --> 0:44:43.640 the rape kit, and the doctor had said that versaid 0:44:43.719 --> 0:44:47.759 can cause erotic hallucinations. And then there's a senior prosecutor 0:44:48.200 --> 0:44:50.279 in the forensic files who goes, yeah, but it can't 0:44:50.280 --> 0:44:53.200 produce semen, So like, how did this semen get inside 0:44:53.239 --> 0:44:55.319 of her? That's like not her boyfriends, and like she 0:44:55.480 --> 0:44:58.279 you know, she doesn't know whose it is, so the 0:44:58.320 --> 0:45:01.160 town is not being kind to can't and that's making 0:45:01.200 --> 0:45:04.560 me very mad. But she hires a private investigator who 0:45:04.640 --> 0:45:08.960 breaks into Schneberger's car, love it. He finds hair samples 0:45:09.000 --> 0:45:11.200 but with no root attached, so they can't be used 0:45:11.200 --> 0:45:13.279 for a test, and like they'll often do this in 0:45:13.400 --> 0:45:16.160 SVU where they find a hair like just you know, 0:45:16.280 --> 0:45:18.799 lying somewhere or like in a carpet or in a 0:45:18.800 --> 0:45:20.799 hair brush, and I guess in a hairbrush it's more 0:45:20.880 --> 0:45:22.200 likely to find a hair with a root. But I 0:45:22.200 --> 0:45:25.520 think people don't really know commonly that not every hair 0:45:25.560 --> 0:45:27.879 can be examined, like you can only get DNA off 0:45:27.880 --> 0:45:30.879 of hair with a root. So this private investigator also 0:45:30.920 --> 0:45:33.600 finds a tube of chapstick in the re enactment ites 0:45:33.640 --> 0:45:36.560 that old school like chapstick, Like, what is that brand? 0:45:36.600 --> 0:45:39.120 Even like the black you know it's the black kind, 0:45:39.360 --> 0:45:42.719 that's the classic chapstick medicated. I think, yeah, it's just like, yeah, 0:45:42.760 --> 0:45:44.960 the classic chapstick. But is that a brand or is 0:45:45.000 --> 0:45:46.960 it called chapstick? It's Chapstick the brand. 0:45:47.440 --> 0:45:47.920 I know that. 0:45:47.960 --> 0:45:51.839 Chapstick does have a black container, but I don't know 0:45:51.960 --> 0:45:55.319 if there are other black containers. They'll put lubricants on 0:45:55.440 --> 0:46:01.319 the market, lip lubricants. Chapstick is the brand, Okay, so 0:46:01.360 --> 0:46:04.120 it's the classic brand of chopstick. Which this is like 0:46:04.160 --> 0:46:06.600 the bird thing. Don't buy classic? What are you doing? 0:46:06.640 --> 0:46:09.200 Get a strawberry? I get the red I get the cherry, 0:46:09.360 --> 0:46:09.960 of course. 0:46:10.320 --> 0:46:14.400 Yeah, so Candy has the chopstick at her own expense. 0:46:14.480 --> 0:46:16.960 She pays for the cells on the lip bomb the 0:46:17.080 --> 0:46:21.040 chopstick to get tested and they match. So now in 0:46:21.080 --> 0:46:23.560 her mind she just knows that she's right about what happened, 0:46:23.560 --> 0:46:26.680 which is probably a great victory for her. But of 0:46:26.719 --> 0:46:30.560 course they can't use this evidence in it's inadmissible because 0:46:30.560 --> 0:46:33.200 the investigator broke into the car. So now we have 0:46:33.280 --> 0:46:35.200 to figure out, like why the DNA from the lips 0:46:35.239 --> 0:46:37.760 is different from the DNA in the blood. Candy filed 0:46:37.760 --> 0:46:41.520 a civil suit. She sat across from Schneberger's wife, Lisa, 0:46:41.640 --> 0:46:44.120 who just glared at her the whole time, like this woman, 0:46:44.160 --> 0:46:47.520 lisas like you're ruining my life and just like giving 0:46:47.600 --> 0:46:51.240 her death stare the entire time. In nineteen ninety six, 0:46:51.880 --> 0:46:54.680 Schneberger agrees to take another test, so this is four 0:46:54.760 --> 0:46:55.320 years later. 0:46:55.680 --> 0:46:57.359 This was videotaped by police. 0:46:57.040 --> 0:46:59.560 And performed in their lab, and i've the video is 0:46:59.560 --> 0:47:02.320 in this forensic files. The tech wants to take blood 0:47:02.520 --> 0:47:05.920 from his finger, but he says he has a disease 0:47:05.960 --> 0:47:08.120 that would cause his hands to bruise. Like boo fucking 0:47:08.160 --> 0:47:10.440 who take the prick out of your finger, like, I 0:47:10.480 --> 0:47:13.200 really don't care if you get a bruised hand. And 0:47:13.239 --> 0:47:15.360 it's a voluntary test, so they can't force him to 0:47:15.360 --> 0:47:17.200 do anything he doesn't want to do, so she takes 0:47:17.200 --> 0:47:19.759 it from his left arm instead. The needle goes in 0:47:19.840 --> 0:47:23.040 and nothing comes out, and the tech actually said it 0:47:23.080 --> 0:47:26.400 was weird because the vein looked larger than expected. But 0:47:26.440 --> 0:47:28.600 then eventually they do get some blood out, and the 0:47:28.600 --> 0:47:31.640 tick said it's weird because the blood didn't look fresh, 0:47:31.880 --> 0:47:33.759 and then when they tested it it was determined to 0:47:33.760 --> 0:47:34.719 be too degraded. 0:47:35.280 --> 0:47:36.839 So she's really pissed off. 0:47:37.000 --> 0:47:39.200 She says, quote, they have to follow the rules of 0:47:39.200 --> 0:47:41.319 the Canadian justice system. I like to call it the 0:47:41.320 --> 0:47:43.440 Canadian criminal system because that's what it is. 0:47:43.440 --> 0:47:46.480 The criminals have all the rights. So she's pissed. 0:47:46.160 --> 0:47:48.680 Because now we're going on like five years that this 0:47:49.360 --> 0:47:52.240 case has not like had no break, and she's positive 0:47:52.239 --> 0:47:55.040 it's this guy. So in ninety seven, five years after 0:47:55.080 --> 0:47:57.920 the rape, the police do get a break, a tragic break, 0:47:57.960 --> 0:48:02.520 a horrible break. Schneberger's step daughter, his wife's child, claims 0:48:02.560 --> 0:48:05.279 that the doctor has been assaulting her in the same 0:48:05.360 --> 0:48:07.640 manner for years, that he's been coming into her room 0:48:07.640 --> 0:48:11.280 at night giving her injections. The wife believes the daughter immediately, 0:48:11.320 --> 0:48:14.040 which is great because she did not believe Candy, and 0:48:14.640 --> 0:48:18.080 she discovers a box full of condoms, needles, and drugs, 0:48:18.080 --> 0:48:22.480 including versaid, in the doctor's home office. So they get 0:48:22.480 --> 0:48:24.640 one quote from Lisa where she said, I blame myself. 0:48:24.680 --> 0:48:27.560 I still blame myself, and Candy was mad because she's like, 0:48:27.600 --> 0:48:29.560 I've been trying to prevent this. I knew he would 0:48:29.560 --> 0:48:32.200 do this to someone else, and like no one was 0:48:32.280 --> 0:48:33.960 listening to me, and everyone thought I was like this 0:48:34.080 --> 0:48:36.840 town slut who just wanted to be in a relationship 0:48:36.840 --> 0:48:40.040 with a doctor. So he was arrested and had to 0:48:40.040 --> 0:48:43.160 do another DNA test again videotaped, but I think this time, 0:48:43.200 --> 0:48:45.839 because he's arrested, they can take whatever they want. So 0:48:45.880 --> 0:48:49.240 they get hair, saliva, blood samples this time from his finger, 0:48:49.360 --> 0:48:52.040 not his arm, and all of the DNA samples they 0:48:52.080 --> 0:48:55.839 take match Candy's rape kit. Okay, so then we still 0:48:55.880 --> 0:48:57.680 don't know how did he do this. Obviously, if you 0:48:57.680 --> 0:48:59.520 watch USVU, you kind of know how he did it. 0:48:59.640 --> 0:49:02.520 But he reveals his secret on the stand in nineteen 0:49:02.600 --> 0:49:04.879 ninety nine, he goes to on trial for the rape 0:49:04.880 --> 0:49:07.759 of Candy and his stepdaughter, and on the stand he 0:49:07.800 --> 0:49:11.040 says he surgically inserted the plastic tube into his arm 0:49:11.080 --> 0:49:13.359 filled with blood from one of his patients, and that's 0:49:13.360 --> 0:49:15.600 why he always insisted on his left arm being where 0:49:15.600 --> 0:49:18.440 he took the blood from. In the video of the 0:49:18.480 --> 0:49:20.880 third DNA test, the one where the blood was too degraded, 0:49:21.120 --> 0:49:23.200 they actually go back and replay it and you can 0:49:23.280 --> 0:49:25.719 see that he only pulls his sleeve up so high 0:49:25.800 --> 0:49:27.799 so that you can't see the suture. But at one point, 0:49:27.880 --> 0:49:30.480 when he thought nobody was really around, he kind of 0:49:30.520 --> 0:49:32.520 lifted his sleeve up even farther, and you can see 0:49:32.560 --> 0:49:34.960 the whole tube protruding from his arm, Like you can 0:49:35.040 --> 0:49:37.399 see it coming out. But no one would have looked 0:49:37.440 --> 0:49:39.160 at that, Like no one would have been looking at 0:49:39.200 --> 0:49:41.759 like the footage of him by himself in the waiting room, 0:49:41.800 --> 0:49:44.640 like before the tech came in, you know. So by 0:49:44.680 --> 0:49:47.440 the time that third test was done, the blood in 0:49:47.480 --> 0:49:49.719 the tube had become so old and dark, and that's 0:49:49.760 --> 0:49:51.799 why it had been degraded and like couldn't be used. 0:49:52.320 --> 0:49:56.840 So this man is so psychotic he would not admit 0:49:56.960 --> 0:50:01.840 to raping Candy. He alleged that Candy broke into his home, 0:50:02.560 --> 0:50:07.359 stole a used condom, framed the entire rape, Like did 0:50:07.400 --> 0:50:11.520 the whole rape as a charade to frame him. It's like, okay, dog, 0:50:11.600 --> 0:50:14.040 whatever you say. Well, I just don't understand what's this 0:50:14.120 --> 0:50:16.279 vendetta she has against you? You delivered her child, you're 0:50:16.280 --> 0:50:18.960 her doctor, Like, what's the problem. It makes no sense. 0:50:19.760 --> 0:50:21.680 And so he said he did what he did because 0:50:21.680 --> 0:50:23.920 he had no other way to defend himself, Like she 0:50:24.120 --> 0:50:26.080 was going to get away with this charge, and so 0:50:26.200 --> 0:50:28.480 like I had to try to beat it. Okay, So 0:50:29.320 --> 0:50:31.560 they get a really funny quote from Candy, like the 0:50:31.600 --> 0:50:33.759 whole time you're watching some forensic files, like you feel 0:50:33.760 --> 0:50:37.319 bad for Candy, but you're also like very like I 0:50:37.560 --> 0:50:39.799 was very admiring of her, like because she seems like 0:50:39.880 --> 0:50:41.640 such a strong woman, Like she goes. 0:50:41.680 --> 0:50:43.279 I was a bulldog on the stand. I kicked his 0:50:43.360 --> 0:50:44.080 lawyer's ass. 0:50:44.200 --> 0:50:47.200 He's supposed to be the best lawyer in Saskatchewan, while 0:50:47.239 --> 0:50:49.480 I showed him whose boss. Like she was just really 0:50:49.520 --> 0:50:52.480 really cute and funny, and she was right all along, 0:50:52.520 --> 0:50:55.720 and she was so determined. And he was found guilty 0:50:55.760 --> 0:51:00.120 of sexual assaultings her drugging, unobstructing justice, and all all 0:51:00.160 --> 0:51:04.080 these supporters of a Candy and Lisa were in the 0:51:04.239 --> 0:51:06.720 when he got taken away after they were all clapping 0:51:06.760 --> 0:51:09.200 and yelling by John, which reminds me of that other 0:51:09.239 --> 0:51:11.920 case where they were like bye like her friends in 0:51:11.960 --> 0:51:15.800 the courtroom. He was sentenced to six years in prison, 0:51:15.840 --> 0:51:20.880 which I think is insane for how calculated and diabolical 0:51:21.120 --> 0:51:23.960 this plot was, like they just let a guy out 0:51:24.000 --> 0:51:27.560 of prison for twenty dollars of weed in the US 0:51:27.920 --> 0:51:29.640 who was in there for twelve years. I mean, I 0:51:29.680 --> 0:51:31.920 know our system is by no means perfect, but Canada, 0:51:31.960 --> 0:51:33.560 you got to give somebody more than six years in 0:51:33.560 --> 0:51:36.239 prison for this. They said the sentence was lenient even 0:51:36.280 --> 0:51:40.560 by Canadian standards. The judge found Schneburger guilty of assaulting Candy, 0:51:40.880 --> 0:51:43.960 but because Lydia couldn't remember the assaults due to the anesthetic, 0:51:44.719 --> 0:51:48.600 she dismissed that charge. So she found Schneberger guilty of 0:51:48.680 --> 0:51:52.200 injecting his stepdaughter with anesthetic, so he got that. He 0:51:52.280 --> 0:51:55.400 got the injections or like the drugging charge for that, 0:51:55.520 --> 0:51:58.919 but not the sexual assault. His total sentence was six 0:51:59.000 --> 0:52:01.799 years with possibility of parole. In two, which is insane. 0:52:01.960 --> 0:52:05.080 But during her forensic file's interview, Candy gets a call 0:52:05.560 --> 0:52:08.200 that Schneberger has been denied parole, and it's just so 0:52:08.280 --> 0:52:11.279 cute because she's so happy. She's like, whoa, this is 0:52:11.320 --> 0:52:14.000 a great moment for me, Like she's just really excited 0:52:14.040 --> 0:52:16.399 that she just got this news on the phone. There's 0:52:16.440 --> 0:52:18.320 some forensic files by the way, it's called bad Blood 0:52:18.320 --> 0:52:19.920 if you want to check it out. That was in 0:52:19.920 --> 0:52:22.160 two thousand and one where he was denied a parole. 0:52:22.640 --> 0:52:24.879 And then what's a little bit crazy. I just wanted 0:52:24.880 --> 0:52:28.560 to mention this side note. The Canadian courts forced Lisa 0:52:28.680 --> 0:52:31.920 to take her two daughters because she had two biological 0:52:32.000 --> 0:52:35.919 daughters with Schneeberger, aged five and six, to visit him 0:52:36.120 --> 0:52:38.960 in prison. She kept appealing and appealing and being like, 0:52:39.040 --> 0:52:41.640 I do not want to take my daughters to see 0:52:41.640 --> 0:52:44.279 their pedophile father, and like she kept losing where they 0:52:44.320 --> 0:52:49.000 said she had to. So she actually started working with 0:52:49.040 --> 0:52:51.759 politicians to pass a law in Canada called Lisa's Law 0:52:51.760 --> 0:52:54.400 that would stop children from being forced into a relationship 0:52:54.400 --> 0:52:57.480 with a convicted pedophile parent. I googled and googled and 0:52:57.520 --> 0:53:00.560 could not find out whether Lisa's law had actually been like, 0:53:00.600 --> 0:53:03.840 I found some documents of it from Canada, but I 0:53:03.840 --> 0:53:05.400 can't tell if it's been passed. And this was in 0:53:05.400 --> 0:53:08.200 two thousand and three, so I don't know whether it 0:53:08.280 --> 0:53:10.640 actually happened or not. So if you're a Canadian listener 0:53:11.080 --> 0:53:12.680 involved with the law and you know if Lisa's law 0:53:12.680 --> 0:53:15.919 actually got passed, please let us know. Lisa also, even 0:53:15.960 --> 0:53:17.719 though she was glaring at Candy and being kind of 0:53:17.719 --> 0:53:20.680 a bitch, she really like immediately realized what our monster, 0:53:20.800 --> 0:53:23.600 her husband was. She divorced him immediately and then went 0:53:23.640 --> 0:53:26.520 to work on getting him deported. She argued that if 0:53:26.520 --> 0:53:28.359 he hadn't faked his blood sample, he would have been 0:53:28.360 --> 0:53:30.560 convicted and never gotten his citizenship, because he got his 0:53:30.600 --> 0:53:32.960 citizenship during the investigation. 0:53:33.280 --> 0:53:34.000 Where is he from? 0:53:34.160 --> 0:53:38.040 He's from Africa, He's actually front He's Rhodesian, which I 0:53:38.080 --> 0:53:39.439 believe is Zimbabwe now. 0:53:39.800 --> 0:53:42.560 And he was deported eventually back to South. 0:53:42.320 --> 0:53:45.200 Africa where he lives with his mother. In two thousand 0:53:45.239 --> 0:53:46.960 and three, he was denied parol again, but then later 0:53:47.040 --> 0:53:49.200 in two thousand and three he was released, having served 0:53:49.280 --> 0:53:51.680 four out of the six years so for raping this 0:53:51.719 --> 0:53:56.000 woman while she was barely conscious and raping his teenage daughter, 0:53:56.040 --> 0:53:58.200 a stepdaughter for years. He got four years in prison, 0:53:58.200 --> 0:53:59.239 which is disgusting. 0:53:59.280 --> 0:54:01.040 But well, you also know how like if you're a 0:54:01.040 --> 0:54:04.239 professional boxer or something and you punch someone, you are 0:54:04.400 --> 0:54:07.440 sent like the crime is heavier because you have body 0:54:07.520 --> 0:54:09.760 is a weapon. Like that should be the case with doctors. 0:54:09.880 --> 0:54:12.960 Like if you have a job where you're trusted and 0:54:13.000 --> 0:54:15.880 you're supposed to help the community, like you should get 0:54:15.920 --> 0:54:18.320 in trouble for breaking that code. 0:54:18.400 --> 0:54:20.600 I don't know, no, I totally agree. 0:54:20.760 --> 0:54:24.040 And he was of course stripped of his medical license 0:54:24.080 --> 0:54:26.440 in Canada and was deported back to South Africa in 0:54:26.440 --> 0:54:28.160 two thousand and four and tried to register as the 0:54:28.200 --> 0:54:31.839 doctor there but then suddenly withdrew his application. And now 0:54:32.080 --> 0:54:34.160 and then all I have found is articles from two 0:54:34.200 --> 0:54:35.759 thousand and four that say he lives with his mom. 0:54:36.080 --> 0:54:38.759 You cannot find any recent information about him in like 0:54:38.800 --> 0:54:40.160 the past like sixteen years. 0:54:40.520 --> 0:54:42.480 And then I don't know if you're going to get 0:54:42.480 --> 0:54:45.960 to this, but I remember this episode of Forensic Files 0:54:46.000 --> 0:54:48.640 and they were interviewing the people from the town that 0:54:48.800 --> 0:54:51.239 even with all this evidence and conviction, were still on 0:54:51.280 --> 0:54:52.120 the doctor's side. 0:54:52.200 --> 0:54:55.279 Yes, yes, Afterwards they said that like Candy's like some 0:54:55.320 --> 0:54:57.520 people in town still believe I set this whole thing up, 0:54:57.520 --> 0:54:59.600 and like, I don't really care. I'm like, Candy, you're 0:54:59.640 --> 0:55:02.640 too good for Kipling, Saskatchewan. Get the hell out of there. Yeah, 0:55:02.719 --> 0:55:03.520 come visit us. 0:55:04.520 --> 0:55:07.440 No, Candy is a fucking badass, and the fact that 0:55:07.640 --> 0:55:12.359 she kept pushing and went so far out of her 0:55:12.400 --> 0:55:15.719 way to catch this guy is really amazing. 0:55:15.800 --> 0:55:17.680 Yeah, because I think it took seven years. 0:55:17.719 --> 0:55:20.360 It took seven years from the crime to the guilty verdict, 0:55:20.360 --> 0:55:22.560 and I think people a lot of people would have 0:55:22.560 --> 0:55:25.319 given up, and rightfully so, not to judge anyone that 0:55:25.320 --> 0:55:26.680 does give up, because a lot of times you just 0:55:26.719 --> 0:55:28.840 think this system's not going to work for me. But 0:55:29.719 --> 0:55:33.920 luckily it did work out, and he unfortunately is fucking free, 0:55:34.040 --> 0:55:36.600 but he can't practice medicine anymore, so hopefully he doesn't 0:55:36.600 --> 0:55:37.640 have access to victims. 0:55:37.640 --> 0:55:40.800 But that's that story. Wild case. 0:55:41.160 --> 0:55:44.960 And I wonder if this case has inspired other lunatics 0:55:45.040 --> 0:55:48.200 to do this too blood thing or people have gotten 0:55:48.239 --> 0:55:50.880 away with it. It's just a real like there needs 0:55:51.000 --> 0:55:52.880 to be some kind of rule where you have to 0:55:52.920 --> 0:55:55.359 take your clothes fully off to give blood. I don't know, 0:55:55.440 --> 0:55:56.560 but this is insane. 0:55:56.600 --> 0:55:58.600 Well, it's so crazy to me too that this guy 0:55:58.719 --> 0:56:02.440 like did three tess He almost beat three tests. I 0:56:02.440 --> 0:56:04.440 mean he did beat three tests. Technically the last one 0:56:04.480 --> 0:56:08.279 was degraded. And it's weird that he wouldn't know enough 0:56:08.320 --> 0:56:10.399 to just like replace the blood for the third test, 0:56:10.480 --> 0:56:13.120 Like he was using the same batch blood. 0:56:13.239 --> 0:56:15.080 It was the same tube every time. 0:56:15.320 --> 0:56:17.440 Yeah, the same tube three times, which is why I 0:56:17.480 --> 0:56:19.799 think within a year it worked. But then the next 0:56:19.840 --> 0:56:21.440 test was a couple of years later, and like at 0:56:21.440 --> 0:56:23.520 this point that blood's like a few years old, and it. 0:56:23.600 --> 0:56:26.040 Was like the tech in the day they had they 0:56:26.040 --> 0:56:26.480 show the. 0:56:26.440 --> 0:56:29.560 Tech like talking in the forensic files like to I guess, 0:56:29.600 --> 0:56:31.759 doing video notes, and she's like, I don't know. The 0:56:31.760 --> 0:56:33.840 blood looked kind of like I don't know how to 0:56:33.840 --> 0:56:37.040 say this, like not fresh like so, and that's a 0:56:37.040 --> 0:56:38.759 person that draws blood all the time, so I guess 0:56:38.800 --> 0:56:39.080 they know. 0:56:39.400 --> 0:56:42.080 But then the blood wouldn't match unless he had it 0:56:42.080 --> 0:56:43.279 from the same person. 0:56:43.239 --> 0:56:44.279 Right, That's what I'm saying. 0:56:44.280 --> 0:56:46.759 But if it's the same I guess I thought, like, oh, 0:56:46.800 --> 0:56:50.080 if it's the same patient, so you have like kind 0:56:50.080 --> 0:56:51.839 of a little stockpile of their blood that you're keeping 0:56:51.880 --> 0:56:53.680 in a fridge somewhere, if you're such a if you're 0:56:53.680 --> 0:56:55.520 a doctor and you came up with this crazy plan, 0:56:55.680 --> 0:56:57.120 keep a little stockpile of the blood. 0:56:57.160 --> 0:56:59.879 And I would like to know if the nurse said 0:57:00.080 --> 0:57:03.799 her up and this was a partnered situation, like why 0:57:03.840 --> 0:57:05.600 would you, why would. 0:57:05.360 --> 0:57:06.520 You even suggest it? 0:57:06.560 --> 0:57:09.000 And I mean, there's just no way to know that 0:57:09.120 --> 0:57:14.560 he's she's the only victim, Like Candace and the actual Lisa, 0:57:14.760 --> 0:57:18.080 the wife said, you know, he always wanted to give 0:57:18.120 --> 0:57:21.760 our kids injections whenever they had like headaches or anything 0:57:21.800 --> 0:57:23.880 like that. She was always like, what about like aspirin 0:57:23.920 --> 0:57:26.160 and he'd be like, this is faster. So he was 0:57:26.200 --> 0:57:30.760 like very injection happy. And I think that's like just 0:57:30.800 --> 0:57:32.800 really freaky to me that this guy just wanted to 0:57:32.840 --> 0:57:34.280 like sedate people all the time. 0:57:34.520 --> 0:57:36.840 And it just shows you, no matter how much evidence, 0:57:36.840 --> 0:57:37.760 there are people that are. 0:57:37.680 --> 0:57:38.760 Just like, he didn't do it. 0:57:38.960 --> 0:57:40.760 I don't know what to tell you, Like, yes, she 0:57:41.320 --> 0:57:44.520 went into his home, took an old condom, somehow got 0:57:44.560 --> 0:57:45.920 it way deep up inside of her. 0:57:46.040 --> 0:57:49.520 It's just crazy. Kara, thank you for telling us all 0:57:49.560 --> 0:57:53.560 about that case. It is truly messed up. Did you 0:57:53.560 --> 0:57:54.160 guys like that. 0:57:56.400 --> 0:57:59.280 We'll be right back with an interview for the Ages. 0:58:07.080 --> 0:58:10.360 Lisa. I don't even know how to introduce this next guest. 0:58:10.920 --> 0:58:14.640 She literally when we've done a poll on our instagram 0:58:14.720 --> 0:58:19.040 of who is everybody's favorite Adas, she is one of 0:58:19.080 --> 0:58:23.400 the tops that people choose. She spent several seasons on 0:58:23.440 --> 0:58:27.160 this show, blowing us away as an assistant district attorney. 0:58:27.200 --> 0:58:30.000 You can also catch her in the upcoming Lifetime movie 0:58:30.080 --> 0:58:35.160 Circle of Deception. We are beyond thrilled to share our 0:58:35.200 --> 0:58:40.720 conversation with Casey Novak aka Diane Neil. So let me 0:58:40.800 --> 0:58:44.120 ask about your like SVU journey. Like, we know obviously 0:58:44.160 --> 0:58:47.920 that you were in an episode previous to being Casey 0:58:47.960 --> 0:58:50.480 Novak where you were Amelia Chase right. 0:58:50.320 --> 0:58:52.200 And kind of like everyone that's ever been on an 0:58:52.200 --> 0:58:55.080 episode of sp right, like everyone, yeah, I see was 0:58:55.080 --> 0:58:56.120 in the weird movie. 0:58:56.280 --> 0:58:59.920 But people always dm us because they don't. They're like, 0:59:00.600 --> 0:59:03.120 I just saw Novak as a different character, or They'll 0:59:03.120 --> 0:59:05.360 be like I just saw Rollins as a rape victim, 0:59:05.360 --> 0:59:08.040 and I'm like, yeah, yeah, Like do you guys know, 0:59:08.400 --> 0:59:10.880 Like I think they're always surprised when like a regular 0:59:11.040 --> 0:59:11.960 has been on before. 0:59:12.120 --> 0:59:14.400 You know, that's totally true. I thought. The weirdest though, 0:59:14.480 --> 0:59:15.520 was on the Mothership. 0:59:15.520 --> 0:59:17.080 I don't know if you guys are into the Mothership, 0:59:17.360 --> 0:59:19.880 but when like Jeremy Sisto was like a cop and 0:59:19.920 --> 0:59:21.360 then just came back at the end of the next 0:59:21.400 --> 0:59:23.840 season as a different human being and a lawyer. 0:59:23.640 --> 0:59:26.400 And I was like, what, Yeah, that's like that takes 0:59:26.440 --> 0:59:27.560 me out of it a little bit. 0:59:27.720 --> 0:59:30.760 No, So that episode that I was the rapist and 0:59:30.800 --> 0:59:33.520 the murderer, it was crazy because I had it was 0:59:33.560 --> 0:59:34.800 like my first big gig. 0:59:34.920 --> 0:59:36.800 Yeah, Like I was looking at your IMDb and I 0:59:36.840 --> 0:59:38.200 was like, oh, this seems like it was kind of 0:59:38.200 --> 0:59:39.400 one of her first things. 0:59:39.640 --> 0:59:41.800 Oh that was that was like it. And I had 0:59:41.840 --> 0:59:43.000 no idea what I was doing. 0:59:43.000 --> 0:59:45.040 I didn't know like what marks were on the ground. 0:59:45.120 --> 0:59:46.880 I didn't know like basics. 0:59:46.920 --> 0:59:49.280 You would never know. You seemed like a pro. 0:59:49.680 --> 0:59:52.680 Yeah you have this one look when you're sitting what 0:59:52.800 --> 0:59:55.720 is it the table with the lawyer and yeah, you 0:59:55.800 --> 0:59:59.600 make this evil sexual face that is so good. 1:00:00.000 --> 1:00:00.520 Oh my god. 1:00:00.760 --> 1:00:02.880 And the crazy part is I was like twenty two. 1:00:04.600 --> 1:00:06.640 I had no idea what I was doing. And the 1:00:06.680 --> 1:00:10.120 worst is and this is totally true, and so I 1:00:10.160 --> 1:00:13.479 hope nobody's saved this one before, but it's the first 1:00:13.560 --> 1:00:16.600 scene that I shot in that first episode was on 1:00:16.760 --> 1:00:18.640 Fifth Avenue in like fifty seventh street. 1:00:18.640 --> 1:00:20.600 I don't know why. It was like an exterior with 1:00:20.800 --> 1:00:22.840 Munch and Finn. And the problem with. 1:00:22.800 --> 1:00:25.960 Like Ice in Belzer is like they're so recognizable and 1:00:26.040 --> 1:00:28.880 for so long and from everything that happened in their 1:00:29.120 --> 1:00:30.800 entire careers before SPU. 1:00:31.440 --> 1:00:32.800 So every time. 1:00:32.600 --> 1:00:36.200 They'd yell action and I'd walk out this building door. 1:00:35.960 --> 1:00:41.560 You know, home like a murderer. And I don't know 1:00:41.600 --> 1:00:45.120 how murders walk with that. It's my impression. And somebody 1:00:45.120 --> 1:00:48.560 you're like you eyes sort of like hard Bowzer cut. 1:00:48.920 --> 1:00:50.680 That's crazy because I always think about that. 1:00:50.720 --> 1:00:52.720 I'm like, I know they can block off streets to 1:00:52.760 --> 1:00:55.080 stop people, but how can they stop people from yelling? 1:00:55.320 --> 1:00:57.240 And like you know, oh my god, no they can't. 1:00:57.240 --> 1:00:59.200 At the amount of adr that you do in the show, 1:00:59.240 --> 1:01:01.280 which is like you know, waist overloving, some people are 1:01:01.280 --> 1:01:03.720 how like it's where like the sound got messed up 1:01:03.720 --> 1:01:05.240 when you're filming and so you have to go and 1:01:05.280 --> 1:01:07.400 lip sync with yourself on like a big screen and 1:01:07.440 --> 1:01:11.280 it's super weird. But well, there's so much adr in it. 1:01:11.280 --> 1:01:13.120 Because yeah, everyone on the streets, they're just you'll. 1:01:12.960 --> 1:01:15.960 Like, yo, yeah, yeah, every much just screenings constantly. 1:01:16.160 --> 1:01:19.280 That's so funny because I recognized where you were. I 1:01:19.320 --> 1:01:21.200 was like, oh, they're kind of near Rockefellers set. They're 1:01:21.240 --> 1:01:23.200 like a little bit near Rockefeller Center, and I know 1:01:23.240 --> 1:01:26.400 where they are, and I noticed in that scene specifically 1:01:26.480 --> 1:01:27.560 how many people there were. 1:01:27.600 --> 1:01:29.000 I just feel like, I felt like the street was 1:01:29.040 --> 1:01:30.040 super super busy. 1:01:30.120 --> 1:01:32.240 Oh it was like the middle of the day in Midtown, 1:01:32.360 --> 1:01:33.200 Like it was nuts. 1:01:33.360 --> 1:01:35.040 But like so like fifty takes, it was like my 1:01:35.080 --> 1:01:37.280 first scene, and like you know how you just get 1:01:37.280 --> 1:01:41.600 progressively more nervous by the time. Like I walked out 1:01:41.640 --> 1:01:45.760 the door the one we actually got, I was like 1:01:45.160 --> 1:01:49.560 a monster, like twitching hands were claws. 1:01:49.320 --> 1:01:50.880 Like everything everything was bad. 1:01:50.880 --> 1:01:54.280 I was like where the director pulled me aside and 1:01:54.280 --> 1:01:56.560 he's like and he's still a friend of mine. He's 1:01:56.600 --> 1:02:01.280 this awesome dude named Gus Mackris, and he's just like, hey, Diane, 1:02:01.280 --> 1:02:05.680 can you just maybe act like a human, just say 1:02:05.720 --> 1:02:08.280 the words like a human, just you know, look and 1:02:08.320 --> 1:02:12.560 walk and act like a human. I'll do my best, 1:02:13.160 --> 1:02:14.400 like speak like a human too. 1:02:14.440 --> 1:02:17.000 I'm like, okay, you know, it's like, I'll do what 1:02:17.040 --> 1:02:17.400 I can. 1:02:17.840 --> 1:02:18.880 It was so stressful. 1:02:19.160 --> 1:02:21.520 So then how did it come about you coming back 1:02:21.560 --> 1:02:23.040 like seasons later to be Casey. 1:02:23.120 --> 1:02:24.120 Did they offer it to you? 1:02:24.160 --> 1:02:26.440 Did you have to audition? Like what was that process? 1:02:26.600 --> 1:02:27.840 It was crazy? So it was like a year and 1:02:27.880 --> 1:02:28.520 a half. 1:02:28.360 --> 1:02:30.959 Later, and it was like, you guys know pilot season, 1:02:31.080 --> 1:02:32.960 pilot and I'm older than you guys are, but when 1:02:33.040 --> 1:02:35.680 pilot season back in the day, so he used to 1:02:35.680 --> 1:02:37.720 book the dramas first, and then the comedies of the 1:02:37.720 --> 1:02:41.040 book first, and then like I had a show in first, second, 1:02:41.080 --> 1:02:42.920 and third position right where I get to star and 1:02:42.960 --> 1:02:44.120 which was so much fun. 1:02:44.440 --> 1:02:46.360 But anyway, none of them go to series. 1:02:47.400 --> 1:02:51.120 But the main one was on NBC and Stephanie was 1:02:51.200 --> 1:02:55.160 leaving SPU and so they're like, we want to bring 1:02:55.160 --> 1:02:58.000 her into audition for this, and so it was really crazy. 1:02:58.160 --> 1:03:01.800 My friend Cody Depablo plagues e n CIS. So Cody 1:03:01.960 --> 1:03:04.240 remembers this. I don't remember this, but apparently it was 1:03:04.280 --> 1:03:05.720 three of us in the waiting room. It was me, 1:03:05.880 --> 1:03:08.840 Cody de Pablo and someone else for like the final 1:03:08.880 --> 1:03:13.200 audition and go in and I remember doing it, and 1:03:13.200 --> 1:03:15.640 then I remember leaving and I remember thinking it was 1:03:15.680 --> 1:03:17.920 the worst audition I'd ever. 1:03:17.840 --> 1:03:19.200 Had, like ever. 1:03:19.440 --> 1:03:19.960 Wow. 1:03:20.080 --> 1:03:21.479 I was like, wow, just shit. 1:03:21.720 --> 1:03:25.800 You might allowed to yeah, okay, all right, but like 1:03:26.000 --> 1:03:27.520 I was like, wow, I shit the bed like I 1:03:27.560 --> 1:03:29.080 shit the bed, like I shpit the bed. 1:03:29.120 --> 1:03:31.600 I rolled around in the shit in my bed. 1:03:32.320 --> 1:03:34.040 Then I wore it as a cape and went outside 1:03:34.080 --> 1:03:36.600 and showed everyone my shitty sheets like just bad. 1:03:36.760 --> 1:03:39.360 I was like, well that's that. And I didn't hear 1:03:39.400 --> 1:03:41.040 anything for weeks. 1:03:41.440 --> 1:03:42.680 Wow, yeah it was. 1:03:42.720 --> 1:03:43.320 It was weird. 1:03:43.600 --> 1:03:46.000 So I just figured, obviously, that's not happening. Like I 1:03:46.000 --> 1:03:48.080 didn't think twice about it after walking out of the room, 1:03:48.120 --> 1:03:49.160 to be honest, because it was. 1:03:49.080 --> 1:03:52.200 Like, you like, train yourself when I was auditioning all 1:03:52.200 --> 1:03:53.880 the time in New York, I just trained. 1:03:53.600 --> 1:03:55.560 Myself to forget about it the second I walked out. 1:03:55.440 --> 1:03:55.840 Of the room. 1:03:55.960 --> 1:03:57.760 Right immediately, I was like, and then if I get 1:03:57.800 --> 1:03:59.800 a call, it'll be a nice surprise. 1:03:59.760 --> 1:04:02.160 Right, I assume you get nothing if it happens, and 1:04:02.200 --> 1:04:04.760 it's like, hey, so. 1:04:04.800 --> 1:04:06.640 Anyway, I get this call out of the blue. They're like, 1:04:06.640 --> 1:04:07.439 do you want the job? 1:04:07.960 --> 1:04:09.920 And so you know, they're like, look, they're only going 1:04:09.960 --> 1:04:12.880 to pay this much, which was you know, TV minimum wage. 1:04:12.640 --> 1:04:14.600 But it's like, but it's already on the air, right. 1:04:14.480 --> 1:04:16.560 So it's better than the pilots that you're doing that 1:04:16.600 --> 1:04:18.600 you make a fortune but never go anywhere. 1:04:18.680 --> 1:04:18.840 Right. 1:04:18.960 --> 1:04:22.120 So I'm like, and I really don't like LA, Like 1:04:22.160 --> 1:04:24.600 I like, I detested on a cellular level. 1:04:25.000 --> 1:04:27.200 I don't know if it's just the sunshine. I mean, 1:04:27.240 --> 1:04:30.160 you see how pale I am. I'm like, it's horrifying. 1:04:30.600 --> 1:04:34.160 So I h I was like, yeah, I get to 1:04:34.160 --> 1:04:36.560 stay here and be on a really good show with 1:04:36.680 --> 1:04:37.480 really good people. 1:04:38.200 --> 1:04:39.200 And then it. 1:04:39.080 --> 1:04:41.400 Was nuts because like you go and then you start 1:04:41.440 --> 1:04:43.400 to and work with starting in like a week, and 1:04:43.440 --> 1:04:45.760 I was like, oh yeah, all right, and. 1:04:45.720 --> 1:04:47.720 Then they have you do all the promo photos. But 1:04:47.760 --> 1:04:49.560 the best is they have you do the promo photos 1:04:49.600 --> 1:04:51.919 and then they pull you out. So then they would 1:04:51.960 --> 1:04:57.760 just have like marish getting you know, just in case 1:04:57.800 --> 1:04:58.680 you didn't work out. 1:04:58.960 --> 1:05:01.760 They're like, you know, like just let's just cover our basis. 1:05:01.760 --> 1:05:03.800 We don't want to do another photo shoot, Like all right, yeah, 1:05:04.000 --> 1:05:04.400 you just. 1:05:04.360 --> 1:05:05.160 Come on out of there. 1:05:05.560 --> 1:05:08.440 So it was like a really kind of the greatest 1:05:08.440 --> 1:05:11.040 thing in the universe about being on SBU and starting 1:05:11.080 --> 1:05:13.840 So I was like twenty four, maybe twenty five. 1:05:14.040 --> 1:05:15.520 Yeah, it was only yeah, if it was only a 1:05:15.520 --> 1:05:18.200 couple of years later season five, Yeah, yeah. 1:05:17.960 --> 1:05:19.720 It was just it was just one of those things 1:05:19.760 --> 1:05:22.400 that I'm really happy that it happened. 1:05:22.520 --> 1:05:23.280 But all the. 1:05:23.160 --> 1:05:26.040 Things I knew about episodic television were things I learned 1:05:26.040 --> 1:05:29.920 from like Extra and Access Hollywood, and zero percent of 1:05:29.960 --> 1:05:30.720 that was true. 1:05:31.040 --> 1:05:34.640 Had you watched any of the first four seasons of SBU, No, 1:05:35.320 --> 1:05:36.360 I was like way more of. 1:05:36.320 --> 1:05:40.680 Like a South Park kind of family guy. I like 1:05:40.800 --> 1:05:43.880 stupid things, you know, I like things that make me laugh. 1:05:44.000 --> 1:05:46.000 No, I mean we like stupid things too, just because 1:05:46.000 --> 1:05:46.440 we love them. 1:05:47.440 --> 1:05:49.400 It's true, it's true, But it's like it was cracks 1:05:49.560 --> 1:05:51.680 because sometimes, like if you meet like a super fan, 1:05:51.760 --> 1:05:53.400 you'd be like, oh, man, whish do you like more 1:05:53.480 --> 1:05:54.360 the rape or the murder? 1:05:54.760 --> 1:05:55.200 Which one? 1:05:55.960 --> 1:05:58.320 Because it's like, Wow, it's really kind of a creepy show. 1:05:58.880 --> 1:06:01.000 You used to get me a nightmare? Totally would give 1:06:01.000 --> 1:06:01.520 me nightmares. 1:06:01.640 --> 1:06:03.360 No, there are parts of the show leads and I 1:06:03.360 --> 1:06:05.400 talk about all the time that haunt us like to 1:06:05.440 --> 1:06:08.320 this day, like very very traumatic parts of it. But 1:06:08.400 --> 1:06:11.240 it is like it's such a cult like show people 1:06:11.280 --> 1:06:13.720 are obsessed with it and we are part of those people. 1:06:13.920 --> 1:06:16.840 I totally get I get it. By the way, the 1:06:16.840 --> 1:06:19.720 one that still gives me nightmares is Ritual. The episode Ritual. 1:06:20.040 --> 1:06:22.440 Is that what the guy from Lost with the boy? 1:06:22.880 --> 1:06:25.120 I don't know if it's I never watched Lost either. Sorry. 1:06:25.160 --> 1:06:28.120 He was like an art gallery, like African art dealer. 1:06:28.480 --> 1:06:31.200 Yes, oh yes, yes, yes, and they made it look 1:06:31.240 --> 1:06:33.040 like Santorrio or some kind of thing. But they were 1:06:33.120 --> 1:06:35.520 murdering these sex slave children that they and he was. 1:06:35.440 --> 1:06:38.600 Bringing them over and then eventually, yes, I just watched 1:06:38.600 --> 1:06:39.439 that one the other day. 1:06:39.520 --> 1:06:41.360 Isn't that crazy? I just watched it for fun the 1:06:41.400 --> 1:06:41.960 other day. 1:06:41.920 --> 1:06:45.600 Dude, Dude, I read the script and I was like, ooo, 1:06:47.560 --> 1:06:48.880 it gave me full on nightmares. 1:06:49.640 --> 1:06:52.840 Like the wife, Like when the wife realizes that her 1:06:52.920 --> 1:06:55.520 husband is doing this, that is like that is a 1:06:55.600 --> 1:06:56.560 really crazy. 1:06:56.800 --> 1:06:59.480 Oh my god, it's so the whole thing is insane, 1:06:59.520 --> 1:07:00.480 and which I nuts. 1:07:00.520 --> 1:07:03.760 It's like people are so fucked dumb, like this shit 1:07:03.840 --> 1:07:04.520 really happened. 1:07:04.600 --> 1:07:06.000 That's what our podcast is about. 1:07:06.080 --> 1:07:07.560 I mean, it's about the real people. 1:07:07.800 --> 1:07:09.680 Like we you know, we do an episode and then 1:07:09.680 --> 1:07:11.720 we talk about the true crime that it's based off of. 1:07:12.080 --> 1:07:13.840 Well, I mean like, okay, so this is I don't 1:07:13.880 --> 1:07:15.960 know which episode this one's for, You'll have to tell me, 1:07:16.000 --> 1:07:18.240 but like the crazy part about this when we read 1:07:18.320 --> 1:07:20.400 we had to read through of ritual. I turned to 1:07:20.440 --> 1:07:23.480 Neil Bhaer, who was the executive producer, and I was like, I. 1:07:23.520 --> 1:07:25.600 Was like, Neil, this is insane. 1:07:25.720 --> 1:07:28.560 He's like, yeah, it's the third biggest money maker on Earth, 1:07:28.680 --> 1:07:30.280 human trafficking in the black market. 1:07:30.520 --> 1:07:33.760 It's drugs, it's guns, and then it's humans. 1:07:34.120 --> 1:07:37.400 And I was just like, hol you know, like my 1:07:37.480 --> 1:07:39.480 twenty four year old mind or whatever at the time 1:07:39.560 --> 1:07:41.840 twenty five like blown out of my head because it 1:07:41.880 --> 1:07:45.520 was just it was it was horrifying, horrifying to think. 1:07:45.360 --> 1:07:48.640 About the episode that this interview will be with. Is 1:07:48.680 --> 1:07:52.880 your first episode Serendipity, Serendipity Honey the Honey Rapist. 1:07:53.040 --> 1:07:54.960 Do you want to hear something crazy about that episode? 1:07:55.240 --> 1:07:55.880 Yes? Please? 1:07:56.600 --> 1:07:58.919 Okay, So my hair in. 1:07:58.840 --> 1:08:01.520 Real life this is the this Wow it looks really 1:08:01.600 --> 1:08:04.360 I'm just like like just a face this we'll be 1:08:04.440 --> 1:08:06.720 doing like if anyone can home see I look like 1:08:06.760 --> 1:08:09.200 I'm wearing like a black turtle neck and I'm in 1:08:09.280 --> 1:08:11.280 all darkness and just my face as light. 1:08:11.320 --> 1:08:13.680 It's kind of creepy, it's gross. 1:08:14.080 --> 1:08:18.479 But my hair is naturally strawberry blonde, and you know 1:08:18.600 --> 1:08:20.760 kind of that that medium jew frash, you know where 1:08:20.760 --> 1:08:22.439 it has to be straightened or it has to be curled, 1:08:22.439 --> 1:08:24.439 but you can't kind of really leave it. It's not 1:08:24.479 --> 1:08:26.479 like a cool you can't get curls or anything out 1:08:26.479 --> 1:08:29.400 of it. It's just but it's really long and it's 1:08:29.400 --> 1:08:31.880 really blonde. So like when I went back, like in 1:08:31.920 --> 1:08:34.439 twenty twelve, that's my hair. 1:08:34.720 --> 1:08:36.800 Yeah, we were wondering about that. We were like, what 1:08:36.960 --> 1:08:39.000 your hair was so dark at the beginning. 1:08:39.360 --> 1:08:43.439 They chopped it off and then dyed it that purply red. 1:08:44.000 --> 1:08:44.880 It's really wild. 1:08:45.640 --> 1:08:47.720 And so like when the first episode aired, like my 1:08:47.800 --> 1:08:49.840 friends and stuff were calling and no one was saying 1:08:49.880 --> 1:08:53.040 anything about like acting ability or anything like that. 1:08:53.080 --> 1:08:54.880 All they would talk about is like, what the fuck 1:08:54.960 --> 1:08:56.080 happened to your hair? 1:08:56.280 --> 1:08:56.599 Dude? 1:08:57.400 --> 1:08:59.439 What they do to your hair and you look like 1:08:59.439 --> 1:09:01.599 your fifth I'm like whatever, man. 1:09:01.960 --> 1:09:04.320 It was funny because there was also just like pieces 1:09:04.360 --> 1:09:06.240 that are curled and like other. 1:09:06.040 --> 1:09:07.920 Pieces that are straight. It's just funny. 1:09:07.920 --> 1:09:09.320 It look like a water buffalo. 1:09:09.360 --> 1:09:11.160 But when you come back later, your hair is great 1:09:11.200 --> 1:09:14.200 when it's your natural color. I guess that's like goes 1:09:14.240 --> 1:09:16.439 to show, like when you stick with like what's natural 1:09:16.560 --> 1:09:18.879 like that you look your hair looks great in those seasons. 1:09:19.080 --> 1:09:20.840 Yeah, well it's weird because they would change it every 1:09:20.840 --> 1:09:22.760 season too. And there was one season I called the 1:09:22.800 --> 1:09:25.439 Honeybun year where it was just up in these very 1:09:25.479 --> 1:09:27.240 elaborate like it was misdeus. 1:09:27.640 --> 1:09:29.240 Yeah, it was really weird. 1:09:29.320 --> 1:09:31.400 And they did one year one season where it was 1:09:31.439 --> 1:09:33.800 what I call potato chip blonde because it looks like 1:09:33.840 --> 1:09:34.639 a baked laze. 1:09:35.040 --> 1:09:37.400 Oh yeah, they made you really really blonde and like 1:09:37.439 --> 1:09:38.599 it was a little bit crispy. 1:09:39.160 --> 1:09:41.840 Oh man, did my head hurt because they it was 1:09:42.040 --> 1:09:44.400 it was rough because you know, we have red in 1:09:44.439 --> 1:09:46.439 your hair. Trying to get that out to make it 1:09:46.479 --> 1:09:49.080 potato chippy so hard. 1:09:49.439 --> 1:09:51.680 So were these all their decisions or were you like, hey, 1:09:51.720 --> 1:09:52.479 can I go blonde? 1:09:52.520 --> 1:09:53.840 Or they were very Oh you know I. 1:09:53.840 --> 1:09:56.759 Wasn't even allowed to wear chapstick unless I was given permission. 1:09:56.840 --> 1:09:57.160 Wow. 1:09:57.320 --> 1:09:59.360 Yeah, I know, like I did other people pick, but 1:09:59.680 --> 1:10:00.680 that's what you get paid for. 1:10:00.800 --> 1:10:01.000 Yeah. 1:10:01.040 --> 1:10:01.360 Yeah. 1:10:01.600 --> 1:10:05.679 One of our favorite wardrobe moments is your softball outfit. 1:10:05.920 --> 1:10:08.120 Yeah. Sex Crimes. I love that. 1:10:08.120 --> 1:10:10.360 We're obsessed with the sex crime Softball team. 1:10:11.080 --> 1:10:12.719 Okay, you know what, we need. 1:10:12.640 --> 1:10:14.320 To have some of these made because I had the 1:10:14.360 --> 1:10:18.120 real one from the show forever because guess what, Apparently 1:10:18.240 --> 1:10:22.360 that is exactly what was on the Brooklyn SVU NYPD shirts. 1:10:22.400 --> 1:10:23.479 It said sex crimes. 1:10:23.800 --> 1:10:27.040 So that was Amanda Green co producer and writer Amanda 1:10:27.040 --> 1:10:30.000 Green because she was a real employee of the real 1:10:30.080 --> 1:10:33.240 SVU in Brooklyn where she started working for the show. 1:10:33.600 --> 1:10:36.120 That was their softball tea. So I was like, that's incredible. 1:10:36.320 --> 1:10:40.200 So was there a lot of writers that were former 1:10:40.280 --> 1:10:41.839 law enforcement tons. 1:10:42.360 --> 1:10:44.240 So like you guys, don't you guys probably don't even 1:10:44.320 --> 1:10:44.519 know this. 1:10:44.600 --> 1:10:46.400 Do you want to hear like a super secret's not 1:10:46.439 --> 1:10:47.679 even super but nobody knows. 1:10:47.760 --> 1:10:49.479 Yeah, and she is still one of my. 1:10:49.439 --> 1:10:52.479 Closest friends and we worked together on all kinds of stuff. 1:10:53.120 --> 1:10:56.240 Hopefully we'll have a true crime movie coming out soon. 1:10:56.920 --> 1:11:00.680 But do you know the writer Christine torres No, So 1:11:00.720 --> 1:11:02.000 she wrote the one I Came Back? 1:11:02.040 --> 1:11:03.200 She was a stage Yeah, look her up. 1:11:03.200 --> 1:11:06.559 She's a staff writer the last few seasons, like before 1:11:06.560 --> 1:11:11.439 Warren Light took over a showrunner. She's the real Novak Oh, 1:11:11.479 --> 1:11:14.720 she's who my character is based on. So she's a 1:11:14.920 --> 1:11:19.040 real like prosecutor. She was an eighty a in Brooklyn 1:11:19.120 --> 1:11:20.000 DA's office. 1:11:20.040 --> 1:11:20.640 Wow. 1:11:20.960 --> 1:11:21.200 Yeah. 1:11:21.240 --> 1:11:23.160 I Mean what we hear the most from like actors 1:11:23.160 --> 1:11:25.280 when we interview them is like, how the show is 1:11:25.320 --> 1:11:27.640 such a like well oiled machine, but like you were 1:11:27.640 --> 1:11:30.240 also on sort of towards the beginning when it was 1:11:30.280 --> 1:11:32.840 probably still kind of finding that footing, you. 1:11:32.720 --> 1:11:35.559 Know, oh yeah, but they were also completely annoyed with me. 1:11:35.640 --> 1:11:38.480 I mean, like they could not have been because the next. 1:11:38.320 --> 1:11:40.599 Youngest person so you think I'm just like twenty four 1:11:40.600 --> 1:11:43.080 to twenty five, Like the next youngest person was Murushka, 1:11:43.439 --> 1:11:43.760 So it. 1:11:43.760 --> 1:11:45.960 Was wild so and I'm like, oh my god, like 1:11:46.000 --> 1:11:48.400 if I have this much energy, it was forty four, 1:11:48.720 --> 1:11:50.760 Like imagine a twenty four. I'm like, hey, guys, how's 1:11:50.800 --> 1:11:52.960 everybody doing? Wow, we're in the zeitgeist. 1:11:53.000 --> 1:11:53.880 This is so cool. 1:11:54.120 --> 1:11:55.360 Were you doing shoot this weekend? 1:11:55.400 --> 1:11:57.040 And no one else gives a damn because they'm go 1:11:57.160 --> 1:11:59.360 got kid, Like, no one wants to deal with this asshole. 1:12:00.040 --> 1:12:02.000 I'm just like, I love it. I love standing in 1:12:02.040 --> 1:12:02.479 for myself. 1:12:02.520 --> 1:12:04.120 I love being on set all the time, you know, 1:12:04.320 --> 1:12:05.960 just like a complete moron. 1:12:06.120 --> 1:12:08.720 But okay, perfect example. Do you guys know what hot 1:12:08.760 --> 1:12:09.360 American size? 1:12:09.400 --> 1:12:12.360 Of course, I've seen it at times a thousand times, 1:12:12.439 --> 1:12:15.519 a thousand times, right, So when I first get there, 1:12:15.720 --> 1:12:18.439 I'm like, oh, that's what I know Maloney from. 1:12:18.680 --> 1:12:21.000 I don't know him from OZ. I don't know him from. 1:12:20.840 --> 1:12:23.440 Anything like making love to a refrigerator. 1:12:23.680 --> 1:12:24.480 Refrigerator. 1:12:24.560 --> 1:12:27.439 So I brought an open I would open it every morning, 1:12:27.640 --> 1:12:28.439 like i'd wake up. 1:12:28.479 --> 1:12:29.559 I'd open a can of. 1:12:29.520 --> 1:12:31.720 Mixed vegetables part way and I would take it to 1:12:31.760 --> 1:12:33.760 set with me and I would put it somewhere like. 1:12:33.760 --> 1:12:38.160 On his desk or like like six months, six months, 1:12:38.240 --> 1:12:41.120 go back and finally, and I swear to God, like 1:12:41.160 --> 1:12:42.880 you know, when he gets mad in those veins in 1:12:42.920 --> 1:12:44.200 the neck, like that big strung and. 1:12:44.200 --> 1:12:44.559 He's like. 1:12:47.760 --> 1:12:51.520 Right like just like whoa, like he's going to destroy 1:12:51.640 --> 1:12:54.840 everyone in his bath, I'm dying of laughter. 1:12:54.880 --> 1:12:58.439 And I'm like, oh my god, Chris, I do he's 1:12:58.520 --> 1:12:59.679 letting wha. 1:13:01.320 --> 1:13:05.040 I'm like, uh, dude, so simple wet, hot American summer. 1:13:06.000 --> 1:13:13.640 And he's like what I'm like, dude, I'm twenty. 1:13:13.400 --> 1:13:15.960 Five, and he's like, oh yeah, yeah, yeah, that makes sense. 1:13:16.160 --> 1:13:20.680 I completely calm down as completely normal. It was like 1:13:20.800 --> 1:13:22.559 six months of bit before. 1:13:22.800 --> 1:13:25.080 That's an amazing bit to come in. 1:13:25.680 --> 1:13:26.559 Oh my god. 1:13:26.640 --> 1:13:28.200 Well, you know the. 1:13:28.160 --> 1:13:30.799 Best part is is that every time he does something 1:13:30.880 --> 1:13:33.200 with like the Wet Hot American Summer cast, like Chris 1:13:33.320 --> 1:13:34.040 will text. 1:13:33.760 --> 1:13:36.120 Me a picture of him with the can of Mike Festival. 1:13:36.280 --> 1:13:39.639 So it's taken like twenty years, but he finally came around. 1:13:39.800 --> 1:13:42.799 He goes, no, I feel like I think that people 1:13:42.800 --> 1:13:46.000 that find that movie retroactively are like, he does comedy, 1:13:46.040 --> 1:13:47.799 and it's like he's so good at comedy. 1:13:47.960 --> 1:13:50.200 He's so funny. I used to make him do all 1:13:50.200 --> 1:13:51.920 the time, the one from Harold and Komber. 1:13:51.640 --> 1:13:54.240 Where he's like he plays freak show but he's like 1:13:54.760 --> 1:13:59.679 what lay Krista manally, you know, just all the time. 1:13:59.720 --> 1:14:01.479 I'm like, oh my god. 1:14:01.560 --> 1:14:03.920 Yeah, it sounds like everybody's really like kind of a 1:14:04.080 --> 1:14:05.960 jokester on the set a lot. 1:14:05.920 --> 1:14:06.920 Everyone's a jokester. 1:14:07.200 --> 1:14:07.479 Yeah. 1:14:07.840 --> 1:14:09.559 I really wanted to ask you this because we're like 1:14:09.640 --> 1:14:11.880 intense fans and love the show so much, but like, 1:14:11.960 --> 1:14:13.679 are people nuts to you on the streets? 1:14:13.920 --> 1:14:15.800 Okay, I'll give you like so like New York, you 1:14:15.840 --> 1:14:17.559 know how it is, you guys, both loved the people. 1:14:17.520 --> 1:14:20.559 To ignore the celebs in New York more, I feel you. 1:14:20.520 --> 1:14:22.080 Just get this all the time, which is kind of 1:14:22.080 --> 1:14:23.640 the greatest. Like if you're just waiting for like a 1:14:23.720 --> 1:14:25.640 light to change or something, people are like, hey, man, 1:14:25.760 --> 1:14:27.400 love you, and you're like thanks man, you know, like 1:14:27.400 --> 1:14:30.280 it's just I'm like, who in the world gets to 1:14:30.320 --> 1:14:31.840 have people tell them that, like I love. 1:14:31.800 --> 1:14:32.679 You, like all day. 1:14:32.880 --> 1:14:35.400 Like that just what blows me aware that all the 1:14:35.439 --> 1:14:38.800 people that recognize me with my mask on, I find 1:14:38.840 --> 1:14:40.040 that truly bizarre. 1:14:40.160 --> 1:14:41.160 That's crazy. 1:14:41.920 --> 1:14:46.360 Lisa one time recognized her favorite porn star with a 1:14:46.400 --> 1:14:48.240 mask on and sunglasses on. 1:14:48.600 --> 1:14:49.960 Is it is it Rocks Freddy? 1:14:50.520 --> 1:14:54.840 No, it's it's Nicky Hearts. She's like a butchery tattooed girl. 1:14:55.120 --> 1:14:56.519 Oh hello, Yeah. 1:14:56.720 --> 1:15:00.120 I just was very impressed with Lisa's ability that is. 1:15:00.080 --> 1:15:01.960 And by the way, that's not usually the part you're 1:15:02.000 --> 1:15:05.759 probably looking at, so like who knows, Like that's hard. 1:15:06.160 --> 1:15:08.320 But then there are other things like okay, you guys, 1:15:09.360 --> 1:15:11.960 I was home in Colorado and I was with a 1:15:12.000 --> 1:15:14.519 friend and we were like in the middle of like nowhere, 1:15:14.560 --> 1:15:16.760 you know, just like those tiny little towns, and like 1:15:16.800 --> 1:15:19.120 at the general store that just has you know, it 1:15:19.160 --> 1:15:21.680 sells everything in the universe. And I kid, you know, 1:15:21.840 --> 1:15:23.880 I don't know what we ate or where we ate it. 1:15:23.920 --> 1:15:26.080 But it was like a rumble in the Bronx. Like 1:15:26.120 --> 1:15:29.080 I was not okay, and we were miles and miles 1:15:29.080 --> 1:15:29.840 and miles. 1:15:29.520 --> 1:15:31.360 From anything, and I saw this little store. 1:15:31.400 --> 1:15:34.759 I'm like, I got like pepto because I'm probably gonna die, 1:15:35.600 --> 1:15:41.360 And this is like Wall spu is on. It was 1:15:41.400 --> 1:15:44.320 so crazy, Like I was seriously like then I had 1:15:44.320 --> 1:15:46.640 to use the restroom, and I did not leave it 1:15:46.680 --> 1:15:48.880 in a better condition, which is not my life rule. 1:15:49.000 --> 1:15:51.280 Like it was it was rough, right, But then I 1:15:51.320 --> 1:15:52.760 finally go up to the front and I get my 1:15:52.880 --> 1:15:55.680 They didn't have pep so you get like tongues and 1:15:55.800 --> 1:15:58.839 the girl looks up and she screams and she's. 1:15:58.680 --> 1:15:59.879 Like, hey, say now. 1:16:01.200 --> 1:16:04.479 Opened the back door and just ran. She just started running. 1:16:04.520 --> 1:16:06.519 I have no idea where she went. I finally just 1:16:06.600 --> 1:16:08.080 left a couple of bucks on the counter. 1:16:08.200 --> 1:16:10.800 I was like, I got something, go now. But like 1:16:11.280 --> 1:16:11.800 we were in. 1:16:11.720 --> 1:16:13.559 That part of Colorado where like I could have watched 1:16:13.640 --> 1:16:16.120 her run away for like three days, you know, like 1:16:16.200 --> 1:16:16.960 she was just. 1:16:16.960 --> 1:16:19.080 Going and going and going and going, Oh. 1:16:19.000 --> 1:16:20.160 My god, that's amazing. 1:16:20.640 --> 1:16:23.240 And it's weird because like I assume you guys didn't 1:16:23.240 --> 1:16:25.799 grow up with like celebrity parents or anything like that, right. 1:16:25.680 --> 1:16:26.240 Like totally. 1:16:26.560 --> 1:16:28.760 So for the first year, I thought I had like 1:16:28.800 --> 1:16:31.400 spinach in my teeth, like the entire year because I'm 1:16:31.400 --> 1:16:34.880 like Mari is looking at yeah, just constantly. 1:16:34.920 --> 1:16:37.479 I had no idea this is a really weird thing. 1:16:38.000 --> 1:16:38.759 That's awesome. 1:16:38.880 --> 1:16:39.160 Wow. 1:16:39.280 --> 1:16:41.519 Well, can we ask you a couple of like little 1:16:41.560 --> 1:16:42.560 SVU questions. 1:16:42.640 --> 1:16:44.040 You can ask me any question you want. 1:16:44.080 --> 1:16:48.600 Okay, Let's say you needed a detective asap. 1:16:48.760 --> 1:16:51.120 Which one would you like to show up in your doorstep? 1:16:51.760 --> 1:16:52.240 Stabler? 1:16:53.160 --> 1:16:56.960 Okay, okay, good, good, good answer. 1:16:58.160 --> 1:17:00.720 I mean like I'd be so Convinsing showed up too. 1:17:01.280 --> 1:17:04.360 But like if like I feel like Stabler has the 1:17:04.439 --> 1:17:07.280 bulk yes to take care of any kind of problem 1:17:07.320 --> 1:17:10.240 the physic out of every detective, like you know, no 1:17:10.280 --> 1:17:14.880 offense to Danny Pino anybody. But like Stabler was like 1:17:15.320 --> 1:17:19.160 something was going down, he could just like flex a titty, yeah, 1:17:19.800 --> 1:17:20.800 like knock people. 1:17:20.560 --> 1:17:23.200 Over so in shape? So true. 1:17:23.640 --> 1:17:25.799 Who would you have like of all these like characters, 1:17:25.880 --> 1:17:28.240 this could be side characters, judges, whatever, like was there, ever, 1:17:28.320 --> 1:17:30.920 anybody that you kind of wanted Novac to get romantically 1:17:30.920 --> 1:17:31.479 involved with. 1:17:31.760 --> 1:17:33.439 I thought there was like a little bit of a 1:17:33.479 --> 1:17:34.799 spark between Chester. 1:17:35.439 --> 1:17:36.840 Yeah, he flirted with you. 1:17:37.240 --> 1:17:38.920 Yeah, he was definitely like flirty. 1:17:38.960 --> 1:17:41.080 I think if they'd hung around for more than a minute, 1:17:41.240 --> 1:17:42.599 they like they would have hooked up. 1:17:42.920 --> 1:17:44.240 That Chester episode. 1:17:44.320 --> 1:17:48.719 I mean, that's the reason you lost the Novak stopped 1:17:48.800 --> 1:17:50.439 being able to be a lawyer for three years. 1:17:50.439 --> 1:17:51.640 I know, heartbreaking. 1:17:51.840 --> 1:17:57.800 So what do you think Novak did in those three years? 1:17:57.840 --> 1:18:02.040 Probably a lot of drugs? No, no, no, I Novak like, 1:18:02.080 --> 1:18:02.400 that's it. 1:18:02.520 --> 1:18:05.160 Chris and I always real Novak and I always joke 1:18:05.200 --> 1:18:08.120 about this because we have the exact same like overdeveloped 1:18:08.160 --> 1:18:11.720 sense of justice and kind of single mindedness for all 1:18:11.720 --> 1:18:14.680 this stuff, and we're always like dumbfounded by horrible. 1:18:14.280 --> 1:18:16.679 Things even though we know better. At this point. It's 1:18:16.760 --> 1:18:19.919 quite amusing. But Novak probably would have gone into private practice. 1:18:20.760 --> 1:18:23.320 Yeah, that's probably what she would have done, and then 1:18:23.479 --> 1:18:25.599 waited until she got to go back again. 1:18:25.960 --> 1:18:27.800 And if I had to guess, I'd be like, she's 1:18:27.800 --> 1:18:28.559 probably a judge. 1:18:28.560 --> 1:18:32.519 No, yeah, yeah, is there like a judge that you 1:18:32.560 --> 1:18:34.840 would see on the call? She or a defense attorney, 1:18:34.920 --> 1:18:36.840 and you would be like, Oh, we're gonna We're about 1:18:36.840 --> 1:18:38.160 to have a fun day today. 1:18:38.600 --> 1:18:42.920 Okay, he like it's again, not knocking anyone else, just 1:18:42.920 --> 1:18:44.160 the ones that come to mind. 1:18:44.200 --> 1:18:45.880 First, Judge Petrovsky. 1:18:46.520 --> 1:18:49.240 We are Judge Petrovski stands over here. 1:18:49.120 --> 1:18:51.680 All the way she is. She is like one of 1:18:51.720 --> 1:18:54.920 my personal life here, she's she's a Chekhov professor at 1:18:55.000 --> 1:19:00.280 NYU and yeah, no, she's truly one of the most 1:19:00.320 --> 1:19:03.559 amazing people. And we've stayed friends all these years. And 1:19:03.600 --> 1:19:07.320 then every time I would see Viola Davis, I was like, 1:19:07.920 --> 1:19:11.719 it's go time. Yes, it's go time. 1:19:11.920 --> 1:19:11.960 No. 1:19:12.479 --> 1:19:14.840 I would get so jazz because it was like the 1:19:14.840 --> 1:19:17.480 most fun thing in the world. Like, Viola is incredible 1:19:17.920 --> 1:19:19.639 and we have the same size feet. And she won 1:19:19.680 --> 1:19:22.120 her first Tony wearing a pair of shoes. 1:19:21.840 --> 1:19:26.320 That I gave her. Wow, Wow, that's pretty fancy. That 1:19:26.439 --> 1:19:28.360 was one of my favorites to see on the call sheet. 1:19:28.360 --> 1:19:30.160 It's tough because you know, I love Andy Potts, I 1:19:30.160 --> 1:19:33.599 love you right, Like, there's so many cool people that I'm. 1:19:33.479 --> 1:19:36.640 Just like, I love Peter Regert, you know, like I 1:19:36.720 --> 1:19:37.479 love like all. 1:19:37.600 --> 1:19:40.479 So let's say you did commit a crime and you 1:19:40.560 --> 1:19:42.040 needed a defense attorney. 1:19:42.600 --> 1:19:43.799 Who are you hiring? 1:19:44.160 --> 1:19:47.439 That's really hard because a lot of them are really slimy. 1:19:47.520 --> 1:19:50.400 I know the show makes defense attorneys look like the 1:19:50.479 --> 1:19:51.920 bad guys, which is funny. 1:19:52.080 --> 1:19:55.360 Yeah, so so grody, I might have to go with 1:19:55.439 --> 1:19:57.200 He was only in one episode, but also one of 1:19:57.200 --> 1:19:59.160 my favorite guest stars Carrie Elways. 1:19:59.320 --> 1:20:02.920 Oh yeah, who like defended his kid, yes, Emily van 1:20:03.000 --> 1:20:05.400 Camp right, Oh yeah. 1:20:05.000 --> 1:20:06.600 I think so, Yes, he was. 1:20:06.920 --> 1:20:08.759 He was the only person that I ever got stars 1:20:08.800 --> 1:20:10.040 struck around that I couldn't spare. 1:20:10.120 --> 1:20:13.160 Were you like a big princess bride fan or I was? 1:20:13.200 --> 1:20:15.000 I think that's like you know when I was coming 1:20:15.000 --> 1:20:17.640 of age, you know when you first get tingly and 1:20:17.680 --> 1:20:18.439 like I was like. 1:20:18.439 --> 1:20:22.240 Oh yeah, I'm remembering it because he was a mob attorney. 1:20:22.760 --> 1:20:26.080 Yes, yeah, he had a very interesting accent in that episode, 1:20:26.120 --> 1:20:27.519 like because I think he was doing like a New 1:20:27.600 --> 1:20:28.240 York accent. 1:20:28.600 --> 1:20:30.719 Yeah, it was super weird. It was super weird. 1:20:30.760 --> 1:20:32.720 But he's British or something, right. 1:20:32.560 --> 1:20:38.920 He's totally British and like delightfully so oh I couldn't 1:20:38.920 --> 1:20:40.640 get a word out. It's like they used to call 1:20:40.680 --> 1:20:42.320 me the one take wonder because I could do like 1:20:42.360 --> 1:20:44.720 even seven pages of legal dialogue and like a take. 1:20:44.760 --> 1:20:46.160 I'm like, let's go, people, let's rock. 1:20:46.040 --> 1:20:48.360 This out, because it's like it's all an adventure to me, right, 1:20:48.400 --> 1:20:50.640 I'm like, this is fun, like, let's let's do it. 1:20:51.280 --> 1:20:52.960 But he was the I couldn't say. 1:20:52.960 --> 1:20:53.280 I was like. 1:20:54.920 --> 1:20:57.519 A little and then finally he turned to me, He's like, 1:20:57.520 --> 1:21:00.680 would you like me to say it? I'm like, are 1:21:00.680 --> 1:21:02.599 you gonna say it? Oh my god? Are you gonna 1:21:02.600 --> 1:21:07.600 say it? He's like, as you, Oh my god? And 1:21:07.600 --> 1:21:08.639 I'm like, okay, I'm fine. 1:21:08.680 --> 1:21:10.120 Now that's amazing. 1:21:10.360 --> 1:21:11.880 Now I can eviscerate you. 1:21:13.240 --> 1:21:13.519 All right. 1:21:13.760 --> 1:21:17.320 I do have another set question, A little silly, but 1:21:17.960 --> 1:21:20.000 what were your go to craft service? 1:21:20.040 --> 1:21:21.479 As snacks are your favorite? 1:21:21.680 --> 1:21:23.560 Okay, my favorite? 1:21:23.800 --> 1:21:29.479 Ice and I were obsessed with these things called uncrustables. 1:21:30.439 --> 1:21:32.840 Hold on, ladies, hold on. 1:21:34.040 --> 1:21:36.519 I was in love with these things until I finally 1:21:36.600 --> 1:21:38.280 got my hands on an actual box. 1:21:38.960 --> 1:21:40.599 Please read that they're. 1:21:40.560 --> 1:21:46.160 Un unstable at room temperature. It's like, happy funball, don't 1:21:46.200 --> 1:21:48.600 taunt it. But what does it mean that a sandwich 1:21:48.640 --> 1:21:50.920 is unstable at room temperature? 1:21:51.080 --> 1:21:52.559 I swear to God if either one of you have. 1:21:52.520 --> 1:21:54.160 A box, so these go find the box because I 1:21:54.200 --> 1:21:56.439 wonder if it still says like unstable. 1:21:55.960 --> 1:21:56.439 At room Town. 1:21:56.680 --> 1:21:58.280 They're the kind of thing I only get. 1:21:58.320 --> 1:21:58.400 Like. 1:21:58.479 --> 1:22:00.599 I just was on a set to weeks ago and 1:22:00.640 --> 1:22:03.240 I got on crustables from this from the Cross Services 1:22:03.280 --> 1:22:04.080 Drug because I was like. 1:22:04.000 --> 1:22:04.920 This is where I eat them. 1:22:05.000 --> 1:22:06.679 They I think it felt cold. 1:22:06.720 --> 1:22:07.639 I think it felt cold. 1:22:07.640 --> 1:22:08.880 I really think it was probably. 1:22:08.720 --> 1:22:09.799 Straight out of the freezer. 1:22:10.080 --> 1:22:13.559 Yeah, because I they're my airport snack and they're usually 1:22:13.560 --> 1:22:16.719 by the water bottles. They're like, so they are You're yeah, 1:22:16.760 --> 1:22:19.639 they're usually cold. But I didn't ever put it together. 1:22:19.880 --> 1:22:22.720 No, well, because you don't expect any food product to 1:22:22.760 --> 1:22:25.800 be unsatable temperature. 1:22:26.320 --> 1:22:28.160 But that's that's kind of my favorite. 1:22:28.560 --> 1:22:31.160 Would you like to talk about your upcoming movie a 1:22:31.160 --> 1:22:31.559 little bit? 1:22:31.760 --> 1:22:33.679 So I got to call Out of the Blue from 1:22:33.800 --> 1:22:35.120 Do you remember Ashley Williams? 1:22:35.240 --> 1:22:36.160 She was on an episode. 1:22:36.320 --> 1:22:39.320 Yes, so Ashley, this is Ashley Williams's first directing job. 1:22:39.920 --> 1:22:41.040 Is this Lifetime movie? 1:22:41.080 --> 1:22:42.919 And did you guys meet on us for you? 1:22:42.960 --> 1:22:43.120 No? 1:22:43.560 --> 1:22:45.400 Randomly we were doing a tandem at the time, so 1:22:45.479 --> 1:22:47.320 Marishka and I were on one episode and shoot and 1:22:47.760 --> 1:22:49.320 Ashley was with Chris Maloney. 1:22:49.560 --> 1:22:51.440 She was the Purple Maloney's episode. 1:22:52.080 --> 1:22:55.320 So we never never the Twain met, but we knew 1:22:55.360 --> 1:22:57.080 because we're the same age. You know, we're in the 1:22:57.080 --> 1:22:59.479 same kind of group of people, so we'd always like 1:22:59.560 --> 1:23:01.519 known about each other. And so she asked me if 1:23:01.560 --> 1:23:04.840 I wanted this job playing this evil woman, which is 1:23:04.960 --> 1:23:08.679 really fun to be like the psycho path for a Yeah, 1:23:09.160 --> 1:23:11.639 because you're usually the justice person, right. 1:23:11.600 --> 1:23:14.040 Yeah, And she was totally cool. I was like, Ashley, 1:23:14.320 --> 1:23:15.120 I put on a little way. 1:23:15.160 --> 1:23:17.760 She's like, I love it. Whatever you are she is, 1:23:17.840 --> 1:23:19.800 and that's perfect. And it's based on this real woman, 1:23:20.000 --> 1:23:22.600 Peggy Sue Thomas, and it's an and rule book and 1:23:22.640 --> 1:23:24.320 it's called Circle of Deception. 1:23:24.640 --> 1:23:26.360 And we had tons of fun and we filmed it 1:23:26.400 --> 1:23:27.080 over the summer. 1:23:27.439 --> 1:23:29.880 We actually had a shut down because of COVID and 1:23:29.920 --> 1:23:32.240 then you know, Canada kind of got their shit together 1:23:32.280 --> 1:23:35.240 a lot earlier, so I had two weeks in quarantine 1:23:35.240 --> 1:23:36.559 before we could start filming again. 1:23:36.960 --> 1:23:38.479 But here's the kicker. Do you guys want to know 1:23:38.479 --> 1:23:39.800 who else from SPU is in it? 1:23:40.000 --> 1:23:40.200 Yes? 1:23:40.240 --> 1:23:44.560 Please tomorrow, Touney, it's Warner Baby. 1:23:45.520 --> 1:23:47.920 Actually, for my birthday this last year, Kara and our 1:23:47.960 --> 1:23:50.160 group of girlfriends got me a cameo. 1:23:50.120 --> 1:23:52.200 Oh my god, you can thank me for that because 1:23:52.320 --> 1:23:54.080 I made her. I signed her up on cameo. 1:23:54.200 --> 1:23:57.160 Oh my god, wow full circle. 1:24:02.920 --> 1:24:04.919 I don't know what to say, Lisa, that was amazing. 1:24:05.120 --> 1:24:07.680 She We honestly were like when we go to New 1:24:07.760 --> 1:24:09.160 York next, I think we're having lunch. 1:24:09.040 --> 1:24:12.120 With her, and like we like feel like she's a 1:24:12.120 --> 1:24:12.639 new friend. 1:24:12.840 --> 1:24:15.599 I want to party with Diane a hundred person. 1:24:15.920 --> 1:24:19.160 She seems like she gets down, so I don't want 1:24:19.160 --> 1:24:21.800 to forget to mention that the movie that she's in, 1:24:22.000 --> 1:24:26.120 Circle of Deception, starring Diane Neil, premieeres March sixth at 1:24:26.160 --> 1:24:30.120 eight pm Eastern and Pacific on Lifetime. And we were 1:24:30.160 --> 1:24:33.840 so excited after talking to her and we watched the 1:24:33.880 --> 1:24:36.240 trailer for this movie, which we will post on our Instagram, 1:24:37.000 --> 1:24:40.080 that we decided that we would like to do a 1:24:40.200 --> 1:24:43.599 very special That's Messed Up presents a Circle of Deception 1:24:43.840 --> 1:24:48.439 unofficial Instagram Live after show. So after you watch Circle 1:24:48.439 --> 1:24:51.679 of Deception, go to our Instagram, which is That's Messed 1:24:51.720 --> 1:24:54.560 Up Pod, and we're going to have like a quick recap, 1:24:54.720 --> 1:24:57.840 fun chat about the movie after we watch it. If 1:24:57.880 --> 1:25:00.439 you're on the West Coast, we're so we're doing that 1:25:00.479 --> 1:25:03.400 at ten pm Eastern. If you're on the West coast, 1:25:03.479 --> 1:25:05.400 I know the movie will not have started for you yet, 1:25:05.400 --> 1:25:08.360 so you can either tune in for spoilers, or we 1:25:08.400 --> 1:25:10.519 will post it on our Instagram and you can check 1:25:10.560 --> 1:25:14.160 out our little conversation after you watch. But we just 1:25:14.160 --> 1:25:16.120 thought it would be fun to sort of get on 1:25:16.200 --> 1:25:19.120 Instagram live talk to you guys a little bit, and 1:25:19.560 --> 1:25:21.320 obviously recap Circle of Deception. 1:25:21.640 --> 1:25:23.360 Yeah, we'll have fun snacks with us. 1:25:23.600 --> 1:25:26.400 Oh yeah, you'll see we'll eat string cheese in front 1:25:26.400 --> 1:25:29.559 of you or something you cannot wait. 1:25:29.360 --> 1:25:31.639 To watch me. It's string cheese. It is a site 1:25:32.000 --> 1:25:35.719 to behold and tomorrow tuney, isn't it as well? Yes, 1:25:36.000 --> 1:25:39.240 so that's two SVU legends, one movie. 1:25:39.479 --> 1:25:43.360 So check it out. Lisa, let's get into the post mortem. 1:25:43.400 --> 1:25:46.759 This was an exciting episode, a ridiculous true crime. 1:25:47.280 --> 1:25:48.080 What are your thoughts? 1:25:48.760 --> 1:25:51.080 I'm sorry, but nothing has made me happier than knowing 1:25:51.280 --> 1:25:57.679 iced tea like some crustables, non shelf stable food. Yeah, 1:25:57.720 --> 1:26:00.639 that will stay in my heart for the ages because 1:26:00.880 --> 1:26:01.679 I love them too. 1:26:01.920 --> 1:26:05.000 And yeah, I like it. That's it. That's it. Nothing else, 1:26:05.080 --> 1:26:06.240 No other takeaways. Jak. 1:26:08.360 --> 1:26:11.080 Yeah, I guess dermatologists are evil and we have to 1:26:11.120 --> 1:26:11.920 watch our backs. 1:26:13.560 --> 1:26:14.400 Trust no one. 1:26:14.760 --> 1:26:17.120 Oh, I learned something good from actually a friend who 1:26:17.160 --> 1:26:21.679 wrote me, who wrote me a message on Facebook, who said, 1:26:21.800 --> 1:26:25.000 as a librarian, what those librarians are doing in this 1:26:25.120 --> 1:26:28.719 episode is not okay. We take it really seriously patron's 1:26:28.760 --> 1:26:30.960 privacy and we would never have just been like giving 1:26:30.960 --> 1:26:33.720 away all the books this woman reads, or like what 1:26:33.840 --> 1:26:36.160 her deal is, or how she's pregnant by this man. 1:26:36.439 --> 1:26:38.320 So, but does she know the gossip? 1:26:38.320 --> 1:26:40.760 Because I was shocked that the librarians knew so much 1:26:40.920 --> 1:26:43.559 and like all of her comings and goings. I would 1:26:43.600 --> 1:26:46.479 like to know if does your friend gossip with the peeps? 1:26:46.560 --> 1:26:47.000 Does she know? 1:26:47.240 --> 1:26:49.400 Oh, I'll have to ask. I mean, I'm sure there's 1:26:49.520 --> 1:26:50.599 varying degrees of. 1:26:50.760 --> 1:26:51.439 I have other friends. 1:26:51.439 --> 1:26:53.960 I actually have two or three friends that have like 1:26:54.040 --> 1:26:56.040 degrees in the library sciences, so I. 1:26:56.000 --> 1:26:57.400 Will definitely check with them. 1:26:57.479 --> 1:27:00.000 But I think you get a whole cast of characters 1:27:00.040 --> 1:27:02.320 at a library, and I miss the library. 1:27:03.040 --> 1:27:06.599 Yeah, the smell is great, I fucking miss it. Damn. 1:27:09.840 --> 1:27:12.919 Anyway, I think we can learn a lot from Candy, 1:27:13.160 --> 1:27:15.759 the woman that this was based on, not that anybody 1:27:15.760 --> 1:27:16.599 does anything wrong. 1:27:16.640 --> 1:27:18.519 But this woman like did not give up. 1:27:18.680 --> 1:27:22.439 She pressed the legal system to prosecute the guy who 1:27:22.439 --> 1:27:25.800 did it and arrest him, and she was victorious in 1:27:25.800 --> 1:27:27.360 the end. And I just think she's such a bad ass. 1:27:27.400 --> 1:27:29.080 And it's not like we needed to learn this because 1:27:29.080 --> 1:27:31.760 it seems like it's just knowledge at this point. But 1:27:32.280 --> 1:27:35.240 how fucked the system is and now no one believes 1:27:35.360 --> 1:27:38.360 victims and I don't know, it shouldn't be so hard 1:27:38.360 --> 1:27:41.080 to prosecute a fucking rapist, right, And. 1:27:41.080 --> 1:27:43.559 Also, I don't know, make the guys roll up their 1:27:43.560 --> 1:27:45.640 whole full sleeve, tell guys that when they come in 1:27:45.640 --> 1:27:47.439 for their blood draw they have to wear tank tops. 1:27:47.439 --> 1:27:49.760 Now because of this guy, Now we have to have 1:27:49.840 --> 1:27:52.600 everybody in Canada has to have tank tops on to 1:27:52.600 --> 1:27:54.120 get their blood drawn, so that you can't have a 1:27:54.120 --> 1:27:57.000 freaking tube of old ass blood hit it in your arm. 1:27:57.400 --> 1:27:57.880 Yeah, I guess. 1:27:57.920 --> 1:27:59.840 I also learned you could put tubes of blood in 1:27:59.840 --> 1:28:02.559 your arm, so that's a lesson as well. 1:28:02.640 --> 1:28:03.640 Yeah, I could do that. 1:28:03.680 --> 1:28:04.479 We also learned. 1:28:04.560 --> 1:28:06.559 We also, well I wouldn't say we learned, but it 1:28:06.600 --> 1:28:10.439 was reiterated that Christopher Maloney has a fucking dump truck 1:28:10.439 --> 1:28:11.439 of an ass, and. 1:28:13.400 --> 1:28:14.439 It does not quit. 1:28:14.760 --> 1:28:18.040 When he goes to dunk that child molester's face into 1:28:18.080 --> 1:28:20.400 the water, over and over, You're getting a look at. 1:28:20.280 --> 1:28:23.160 Two nice little juicy peaches right there. It's wild. I 1:28:23.160 --> 1:28:24.679 wonder how many squats he's doing. 1:28:25.439 --> 1:28:28.519 Oh my god, it's just funny when my brother has 1:28:28.560 --> 1:28:30.320 a butt kind of my brother that reminds me of. 1:28:30.360 --> 1:28:32.040 Christopher Maloney in a gross way. 1:28:33.240 --> 1:28:35.000 Like, and it's just funny when men have butts, like 1:28:35.000 --> 1:28:37.840 my husband has no butt, but like some men have 1:28:37.880 --> 1:28:39.799 like real fucking badonka donks and it's funny. 1:28:39.960 --> 1:28:43.880 Yeah, baseball players usually, yeah, yeah, I have those sasses. 1:28:44.240 --> 1:28:44.960 I also like. 1:28:45.000 --> 1:28:48.919 Learning that Diane Neil had some thoughts about her hairdows 1:28:49.240 --> 1:28:51.320 Like that was great to know that she also was 1:28:51.400 --> 1:28:54.719 like I looked fucking insane and they just did whatever 1:28:54.760 --> 1:28:56.720 they wanted to me. Oh I also, I mean we 1:28:56.800 --> 1:28:58.920 learned so much from her that, like the writing staff 1:28:59.000 --> 1:29:01.240 are people that were perfects in the field. 1:29:01.760 --> 1:29:05.240 That was really cool to know. I liked that. Yeah, yeah, 1:29:05.280 --> 1:29:05.679 for sure. 1:29:06.120 --> 1:29:09.280 And we learned that sex Crimes was the name of 1:29:09.320 --> 1:29:10.800 the actual softball team. 1:29:11.400 --> 1:29:13.719 Never forget. That's like too good. 1:29:14.200 --> 1:29:16.599 Would love some action shots if anyone played on those 1:29:16.640 --> 1:29:19.679 teams would love action shots of people sliding into first 1:29:19.680 --> 1:29:22.719 in their sex crimes baseball shirt or softball shirt. 1:29:22.840 --> 1:29:25.600 I liked learning that your takeaway from Stabler dunking a 1:29:25.640 --> 1:29:27.640 guy was about his ass and not what cops can 1:29:27.640 --> 1:29:29.200 get away with dunking data. 1:29:29.320 --> 1:29:29.519 Look. 1:29:29.720 --> 1:29:31.160 Also that's police brutality. 1:29:31.240 --> 1:29:35.160 But yeah, also, this is what I learned, not from 1:29:35.560 --> 1:29:40.280 this episode, but from something I mentioned last week about 1:29:41.280 --> 1:29:44.599 like that some countries do decriminalization in a way where 1:29:44.600 --> 1:29:47.960 it's like, selling sex is not illegal, but buying sex 1:29:48.200 --> 1:29:49.120 is illegal. 1:29:49.600 --> 1:29:50.479 Am I saying this right? 1:29:50.640 --> 1:29:53.439 Yes, you're saying right, So selling sex is legal, but 1:29:53.520 --> 1:29:54.679 buying sex is illegal. 1:29:54.720 --> 1:29:56.920 It's called the Nordic model. We have found out. 1:29:57.320 --> 1:29:59.760 Yeah, and I guess it has not been working well, 1:30:00.000 --> 1:30:03.599 so it's like good on paper, but it's been used 1:30:03.640 --> 1:30:06.320 in Canada and Vancouver and stuff, and people wrote to 1:30:06.400 --> 1:30:09.200 us saying that it is actually awful, like most things 1:30:09.200 --> 1:30:09.640 are for us. 1:30:09.720 --> 1:30:09.920 Yeah. 1:30:10.000 --> 1:30:13.040 No, and obviously we always push for full do criminalization. 1:30:13.080 --> 1:30:14.840 I think we were mentioning that as like, oh, that 1:30:14.880 --> 1:30:17.040 sounds like better than what we have, but it obviously 1:30:17.120 --> 1:30:21.000 has problems as well, so not an answer overall for sure. 1:30:21.200 --> 1:30:25.639 So I'm glad when people send us information about different things. 1:30:25.760 --> 1:30:28.599 We can't know everything. Yeah, I don't think you should 1:30:28.600 --> 1:30:31.040 get mad at people for not knowing everything, but that 1:30:31.120 --> 1:30:32.519 might be a controversial statement. 1:30:34.439 --> 1:30:37.360 Okay, now it is time for what would Sister Peg do, 1:30:37.640 --> 1:30:40.640 our weekly segment where we give you, guys a organization 1:30:40.840 --> 1:30:44.360 or some resources to help you get a little bit 1:30:44.400 --> 1:30:47.000 more context and information about the topics that we talked 1:30:47.160 --> 1:30:50.599 about in today's episode. Obviously, we dealt with a pretty 1:30:50.760 --> 1:30:53.320 heinous sexual assault today and so we actually wanted to 1:30:53.400 --> 1:30:58.559 use today to highlight Mrshca Hargatea's foundation, the Joyful Heart Foundation. 1:30:59.080 --> 1:31:02.040 Their mission is to a world free of sexual assault, 1:31:02.080 --> 1:31:05.240 domestic violence, and child abuse. They also work really hard 1:31:05.240 --> 1:31:07.759 to end the backlog of rape kits, which this victim 1:31:07.800 --> 1:31:09.960 in this in the real life story had to really 1:31:10.360 --> 1:31:12.240 you know, push for her rape kits to get tested 1:31:12.280 --> 1:31:14.360 and everything. I know this is in Canada, but you know, 1:31:14.400 --> 1:31:17.439 we have definitely a huge rape kit backlog here in 1:31:17.479 --> 1:31:21.919 the US. And definitely head over to Joyful Heart Foundation 1:31:22.439 --> 1:31:26.800 dot org to learn more about this great organization. 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