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Speaker 4: we're radio people. And if you're a radio person, that's

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Speaker 4: like if you know you know, yeah.

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Speaker 2: You know, you know it's rough over there. Huh.

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Speaker 4: It's really out here in the streets. Man, Why I

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Speaker 4: make it at home. It's hard. It's hard to do

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Speaker 4: that second cup, bro, first one you can get through

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Speaker 4: because you have to. It's like lab man, you watched

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Speaker 4: a new episode.

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Speaker 6: You no, I'm waiting to waiting to really binge watch what?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you got to wait for it. I get you.

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Speaker 2: I love Billy bop Thorn?

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Speaker 7: Is that?

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Speaker 2: Should I watch that? Is that a good show? Yes? Yes?

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Speaker 2: If you love all right, it's like yes, duh.

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Speaker 4: Yes, watch Land man, it's pretty dope. Second season, second season,

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Speaker 4: first episode, though they didn't do the whole whole deal,

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Speaker 4: so maybe that's how they did the first season.

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Speaker 2: I ain't know.

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Speaker 4: I ain't I really wasn't up on it, and I

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Speaker 4: wasn't listening to queue when he said watching. And finally,

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Speaker 4: at a moment, I couldn't find anything else to watch,

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Speaker 4: so I just watched it, by the.

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Speaker 3: Way, and then what happened? Then you're like oh, I

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Speaker 3: should have listened to my guys.

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Speaker 4: And I saw Jerry Jones crying and I was like,

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Speaker 4: all right, Jerry, And then I saw him get rid

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Speaker 4: of Micah and then I was like, no, Jerry, you know.

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Speaker 2: What was the stadium you were thinking about? There?

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Speaker 5: There was a field or a stadium you were thinking

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Speaker 5: about that was in Texas somewhere.

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Speaker 4: It was in that episode. Yeah, I watched it again.

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Speaker 4: That's that's how I know I saw it.

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Speaker 5: I think my my brother texted me it was like, Hey,

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Speaker 5: by the way, when LaVar was talking about that on

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Speaker 5: the show, I think he was remembering it from land Man.

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Speaker 4: It was it was a cutaway. It was b roll

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Speaker 4: on land Man. And I rewatched it yesterday. I saw

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Speaker 4: I'm like, oh, I was from Landman. So it wasn't

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Speaker 4: It wasn't a real stadium. It was a just part

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Speaker 4: of the show. I feel like it was a real stadium, bro,

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Speaker 4: like the way they use real real landmarks in the show,

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Speaker 4: like they used real kick stadium is what it's called.

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Speaker 6: It was there's a Dickey's Arenas arena.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, he's right, it's a real it's not a

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Speaker 4: like it's not a reality show.

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Speaker 2: But it has.

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Speaker 4: It's like takes place in a real place, like they

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Speaker 4: are definitely highlighting Texas, that part of Texas. So there

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Speaker 4: you go. Well, well, hey, they was drilling last night,

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Speaker 4: that's for certain. Not really, I mean the Cowboys were drilling. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: they were.

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Speaker 3: The Cowboys were drilled. They were drilling. They found that

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Speaker 3: glory they found.

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Speaker 2: Gloryhole, that damn advantage. Tom Brady gives a Raiders every week.

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Speaker 2: Son of a bitch man. I mean, all of the

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Speaker 2: fallout maybe it's gone. Maybe ten years from.

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Speaker 4: Now, when they win a Super Bowl and get close

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Speaker 4: came at this point, you know that sounds about right.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there you go.

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Speaker 5: So we got Dean Blandino coming up in about fifteen

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Speaker 5: the NFL when it comes to officiating, and I wanted

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Speaker 5: to play a little something for you guys that I

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Speaker 5: heard from Adam Thielen, who was on our Fox Sports

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Speaker 5: radio affiliate k Fan in Minneapolis. Uh, he had this

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Speaker 8: I think we need to have full time referees. But

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Speaker 8: it's like, we have these guys that are kind of

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Speaker 8: to shake hands with Patrick Mahomes, they get to hang

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Speaker 8: their real job on Monday through Friday and tell everybody

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Speaker 8: how cool their side job is. I think that there

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Speaker 2: Referee, so I never put it. I've never heard to

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Speaker 5: Yeah, that's it's kind of problematic, know that you've got

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Speaker 5: some fanboys, at least in the opinion of Adam Field,

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Speaker 3: It's so a little history on this.

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Speaker 6: You know, the NFL did have a past attempt at

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Speaker 6: full time employee or a full time officials right. They

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Speaker 6: experimented with a program like back in twenty nineteen but stopped.

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Speaker 3: I don't know why, but.

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Speaker 6: They they did try to have that, And I would

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Speaker 6: say this during this season, there's a lot of time

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Speaker 6: that's dedicated, significant amount of time that's getting dedicated to

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Speaker 3: In regards to additional training, et cetera.

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Speaker 6: But it is the NFL is the only professional sports

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Speaker 6: league that doesn't have officials that have you know, this

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Speaker 6: is their full time job.

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Speaker 2: That's interesting. That is interesting.

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Speaker 4: Mean, well you're going to do I mean they should

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Speaker 4: definitely be learning how quickly things are moving in the game.

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Speaker 2: Full time.

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Speaker 5: Officiating and field conditions feel like pretty important parts of

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Speaker 5: the game. And they nickel and dime both. And that's

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Speaker 5: a league that makes a fortune every single years. That's

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Speaker 5: the part I don't understand. I really don't get it.

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Speaker 5: I don't know why you can't, Like, if you've got

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Speaker 5: this league that's the number one league in the country,

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Speaker 5: people love it, trying to grow it, they're trying to

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Speaker 5: and yet you go on the cheap when it comes

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Speaker 5: to two key parts of it, which is officiating and

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Speaker 5: field conditions. I don't get it. It just doesn't make

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Speaker 4: Well, it's not going anywhere, That's how I look at it.

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Speaker 4: It's again, it's a necessary part of the game. It's

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Speaker 4: almost like if you thought it was bad with referees like,

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Speaker 4: minimize referees, minimize the calls, and you'll see what bad

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Speaker 4: truly is. So it's almost like you know, removing traffic

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Speaker 4: you gotta have stops, you gotta have slow downs, you

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Speaker 4: gotta have goes like you got to.

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Speaker 2: Have all of those things.

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Speaker 4: And referees are hired to to manage the games. It's

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Speaker 4: what they're there for. And so regardless of what people's

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Speaker 4: they're there for a reason. They execute. And the one

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Speaker 4: you have to understand that it's part of the game done.

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Speaker 4: I mean, that's really like it's a simple explanation to

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Speaker 2: Right, But.

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Speaker 6: I guess this is what bothers me about the NFL

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Speaker 6: and where we're at in twenty twenty five. So they

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Speaker 6: have one less official than college football does Did you

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Speaker 6: know that? Yes, you've made that point clear because it's

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Speaker 6: the stupidest thing to not have at least one additional.

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Speaker 3: Set of eyes where you can put them in a position.

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Speaker 6: Whether they're able to put evly come and help out

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Speaker 6: to me how you wouldn't invest in just one more

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Speaker 6: The next thing is replay. The NFL has been arguably

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Speaker 6: the worst professional sports league to implement replay in an

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Speaker 6: That is one adjustment they've made which has helped. And

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Speaker 6: for measurement. There's some other subtleties they've they've created that help.

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Speaker 6: But the fact that, for example, in many cases where

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Speaker 6: it should be. It's just it's crazy to me that

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Speaker 6: the best professional sports league in the US can't figure

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Speaker 6: out replay. I mean, it hurts the game, hurts the

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Speaker 4: I just I think I don't know how much time

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Speaker 4: it takes if you implement it for everything. I mean,

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Speaker 4: I know, if it's implemented in the few times where

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Speaker 4: it's like the play was called or the flag was

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Speaker 4: not thrown or something happened, I get it. But there

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Speaker 4: now you're opening your opening Pandora's box, because you're going

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Speaker 4: to have to do that a whole lot.

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Speaker 2: There's a whole lot.

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Speaker 4: Of times where something left to you know, the discretion

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Speaker 4: to do that every time, I would assume that that's

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Speaker 4: going to lengthen the game. Even if you're efficient with it,

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Speaker 4: it's going to lengthen the game. And you don't want

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Speaker 4: the game to be any longer than what they are.

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Speaker 4: You know, who does replay right? Major League Baseball? Like

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Speaker 4: it is quick, it's efficient. I know, it's easier to

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Speaker 4: get some of that stuff right.

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Speaker 2: I think it's apples to oranges comparison.

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Speaker 5: But I mean it's still a TV product and they

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Speaker 5: figured out a way to speed it up, keep it moving.

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Speaker 4: The NFL has figured out a way to make sure

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Speaker 4: that their games finish when they're supposed to finish. Somebody,

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Speaker 4: I don't understand how it happens, and even we brought

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Speaker 4: it up to Dean, I don't understand how it happens.

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Speaker 4: But very rarely do you see a game go into

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Speaker 4: bleed into the next game. You don't see it. They're

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Speaker 4: generally die and there. That is a major part of it.

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Speaker 4: It's a major part of it. You got to get

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Speaker 4: through the game.

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Speaker 4: Really doing what they're they're taught and trained to do

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Speaker 4: You call it what you want, call it what you want,

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Speaker 4: A referee has always had something to do with how

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Speaker 4: Damn Yeah, you're still gonna watch. You're still gonna play fantasy,

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Speaker 4: You're still gonna bet. You're gonna be happy when a

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Speaker 2: You're defending the shield.

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Speaker 4: I'm not defending the shield, and I'm not defending referees.

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Speaker 4: It's an operation that's an operation within itself. I've said

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Speaker 2: Like it?

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Speaker 5: It's so much better than everything else. The NFL and

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Speaker 5: x at Dean Blandino and showing the respect he deserves.

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Speaker 2: Dean, good morning, Good morning, Dean.

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Speaker 7: Good morning, guys, good morning.

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Speaker 3: Morning morning, Dean, good morning.

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Speaker 7: He gets old.

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Speaker 2: No, never.

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Speaker 7: Can I start though, I got to start with something.

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Speaker 2: Come on, what's now cool?

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Speaker 7: I am? I am watching the new season of one

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Speaker 7: And I'm watching and my man LeVar shows up looking

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Speaker 7: That was you are? You were really you were up

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Speaker 2: Oh wow.

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Speaker 4: Well thanks, thanks Deane. I appreciate that. And you should

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Speaker 4: Actually it's actually better than the one from the show.

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Speaker 2: Yeah it is actually so.

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Speaker 7: But you you like doing the affirmations in the mirror

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Speaker 7: like it was a it was awesome.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you got to do your affirmation, bro, thank you,

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Speaker 3: I know the affirmations are going to make today show.

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Speaker 3: Yeah they are.

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Speaker 4: Well, some of us don't need him like you, you know,

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Speaker 2: And all that stuff.

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Speaker 4: Dean. So yeah, I'm not some of us don't have

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Speaker 6: You know, we're not six for I was gonna say,

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Speaker 3: I make sure to hold myself accountable.

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Speaker 4: Well, you don't need to.

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Speaker 7: I don like he had a couple of people carry

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Speaker 7: I appreciate that, you know. I'm always, you know, trying

439
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Speaker 7: to aspire to be to be you.

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Speaker 2: So I'm see there you go. He's here myself. And

441
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Speaker 2: can I tell you what.

442
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Speaker 7: Did you were? You were on my mind because I

443
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Speaker 7: don't know. In the in the Giants Packers broadcast, you know,

444
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Speaker 7: our new Fox Sports colleague Drew Brees, it was his

445
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Speaker 7: first game, and I went on the air to talk

446
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Speaker 7: about a play with with Drew and Adam Aman and

447
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Speaker 7: I had just spoken to you, and I Drew and

448
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Speaker 7: I called Drew Brady the broadcast.

449
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Speaker 6: Which could have been taken multiple ways, right, Tom, Maybe.

450
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Speaker 7: People immediately went to Tom Brady and then and then

451
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Speaker 7: I was like our shanks or shanks and figure they

452
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Speaker 7: were laughing and they were in my ear. I was like, no,

453
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Speaker 7: it wasn't Tom Brady. Was Brady Quinn. That was that

454
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Speaker 7: I was thinking about because I just talked to him so.

455
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Speaker 6: Right, which which you know, our producer wanted me to

456
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Speaker 6: say to you. He wanted me to make a comment

457
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Speaker 6: about how you had to be back in studio instead

458
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Speaker 6: of being with your new best friend Tom Brady, Like

459
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Speaker 6: that was supposed to be part of the bits.

460
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Speaker 4: While you're working out, because you you're there with Tom Brady.

461
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Speaker 2: That's what it is. I mean, just tell the truth.

462
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Speaker 2: You're on the gas, dear.

463
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Speaker 7: I got I got some of the I do. I

464
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Speaker 7: may or may not have some TV twelve products in

465
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Speaker 7: my house.

466
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Speaker 2: Ye right, you're going to be making them Zoolander faces

467
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Speaker 2: before long.

468
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Speaker 7: Bro.

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Speaker 2: Add.

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Speaker 5: I have to ask you the call that wrapped up

471
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Speaker 5: the Sunday action in the NFL, that it got everybody

472
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Speaker 5: hot and bothered that past interference. Could you even call that?

473
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Speaker 5: Could you even call that illegal contact?

474
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Speaker 9: Like?

475
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Speaker 2: Was there anything there?

476
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Speaker 7: No, there's nothing there. I don't Yeah, it's just nothing there.

477
00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:07,040
Speaker 7: I mean, it's just you know, you look at Agent Brown,

478
00:24:07,320 --> 00:24:12,320
Speaker 7: he's initiating as much contact and it's just not it's

479
00:24:12,359 --> 00:24:16,120
Speaker 7: just not a foul. It's unfortunate, you know, who knows,

480
00:24:16,160 --> 00:24:18,040
Speaker 7: who knows what would have happened. Detroit couldn't do anything

481
00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:20,359
Speaker 7: on offense anyway, But it's just they should have had

482
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Speaker 7: an opportunity to get the ball back. And that's just

483
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Speaker 7: it's just not a foul. It's not when you want

484
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Speaker 7: call it at any point in the game.

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Speaker 2: Let me ask you this, Dean.

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Speaker 4: We we were having a spirited conversation, and it stemmed

487
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Speaker 4: around kind of the way you know, instant replay should

488
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Speaker 4: be used. I kind of went in a different direction

489
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Speaker 4: just in terms of the idea of the business of

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Speaker 4: itself of refereeing. Can you give us some insight on that, Like,

491
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Speaker 4: it's not like you have you know, these officials, they

492
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Speaker 4: go on the field, they call the game, then they

493
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Speaker 4: go about their business, go about their lives. Like I

494
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Speaker 4: made the point, like they're they're there's a team of

495
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Speaker 4: referees that are on the sideline. They're taking notes, they're

496
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Speaker 4: giving feedback, they're discussing what's going on. They all have headphones,

497
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Speaker 4: so they're communicating just like everybody else is communicating. They're

498
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Speaker 4: a part of the production of the show. How can

499
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Speaker 4: you just give us some like can you pull the

500
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Speaker 4: curtain back a little bit on like the operation of

501
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Speaker 4: a referee crew?

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Speaker 7: No, yeah, no question. I think that's one of the

503
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Speaker 7: common misconceptions about officials and referees and especially football, right

504
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Speaker 7: because it's one one game a week, and so they

505
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Speaker 7: a lot of them do have It's just the way

506
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Speaker 7: the sport evolves. I mean, you play one game a week,

507
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Speaker 7: you're going to have other jobs. It's not like these

508
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Speaker 7: officials make the kind of money that professional athletes make

509
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Speaker 7: for the most part, and so they do a lot

510
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Speaker 7: of them do have other jobs, but they're doing so

511
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Speaker 7: much during the week. There's communication. I mean, it starts

512
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Speaker 7: the game ends on Sunday. They have immediately they can

513
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Speaker 7: go to a website and the video, you know, the

514
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Speaker 7: coach's copy is downloaded, the TV copy is downloaded. They

515
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Speaker 7: start reviewing film immediately they leave the game, they're on

516
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Speaker 7: the plane home wherever it is. And then there's conference

517
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Speaker 7: calls that during the week. Crew conference calls, there's position

518
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Speaker 7: conference calls, zoom calls. They're getting feedback from the officiating department.

519
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Speaker 7: They have former super former officials who are supervisors that

520
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Speaker 7: are evaluating them. They get feedback on that, they get grades,

521
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Speaker 7: and there's then there's training tapes that go out to

522
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Speaker 7: all of the staff. And then they're back on the road.

523
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Speaker 7: You know, usually they're they're in the city the day before.

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Speaker 7: They have a couple of hour pregame meeting. They're scouting

525
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Speaker 7: during the week the two teams, you know, if they're

526
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Speaker 7: going to work the Eagles Lions games, they're looking at

527
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Speaker 7: their last couple of games. And looking for tendencies. So

528
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Speaker 7: there's so much that goes into it. It really is

529
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Speaker 7: during the season of a full time job, and and

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Speaker 7: you know, it's not just show up on Sunday, work

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Speaker 7: the game and go home, but it's you know, and

532
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Speaker 7: then there's so many plays during a week, and I

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Speaker 7: get it, like there's thousands and thousands of plays and

534
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Speaker 7: typically we end up talking about a handful, so they

535
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Speaker 7: do get the majority of them right, but you know,

536
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Speaker 7: the expectation is to be perfect, and we know that's

537
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Speaker 7: you know, not reasonable, but that's that's kind of where

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Speaker 7: we're at with it.

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Speaker 3: If you could implement replay into the game today in.

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Speaker 6: A way to enhance the game or make it better,

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Speaker 6: how would you do it, Like, what would specifically be

542
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Speaker 6: the way you do it?

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Speaker 7: Well, we did, you know, with with whether it was

544
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Speaker 7: the XNFL and now the UFL. We we implemented the

545
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Speaker 7: coaches challenge where the coach could challenge anything, but we

546
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Speaker 7: limited it right, and so we said, hey, you've got

547
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Speaker 7: one challenge. We started with one, and at any point

548
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Speaker 7: during the game, if you feel it's an officiating mistake,

549
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Speaker 7: you can challenge that. We didn't put any limitations on

550
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Speaker 7: that and we wanted to try that and that, and

551
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Speaker 7: I think that's a good step. It wasn't perfect because

552
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Speaker 7: there were some situations where teams, you know, a team

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Speaker 7: through an interception and then they challenged that their own

554
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Speaker 7: left tackle had a false start prior to the play,

555
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Speaker 7: and we felt we felt like, okay, that doesn't feel right.

556
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Speaker 7: Where you can challenge that your own team fouled to

557
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Speaker 7: to get a better result. And so there's there's there's

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Speaker 7: kind of always unintended consequences. I do think there's four

559
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Speaker 7: or five plays in any football game that really decide

560
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Speaker 7: that game, and officials we talk about perfection. They got

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Speaker 7: to be perfect on those four or five plays. So

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Speaker 7: so rather than limit it to, you know, a subset

563
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Speaker 7: of plays, open it up to everything, but keep it,

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Speaker 7: keep it where it's once or twice a game where

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Speaker 7: you know, because I don't think there's anybody on that

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Speaker 7: crew or an officiating that would look at that call

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Speaker 7: at the end of the Lions Eagles game and say

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Speaker 7: that's the foul. So if you had an opportunity to

569
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Speaker 7: go back and look at it and say, hey, pick

570
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Speaker 7: it up fourth down, I think people, I think that

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Speaker 7: would be a good thing.

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Speaker 5: Well, so you're saying, make everything reviewable, just keep limit

573
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Speaker 5: the number of times you can use it.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, limit, limit the number. And I don't know, it's

575
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Speaker 7: maybe it's not everything, but but maybe it's almost everything

576
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Speaker 7: to where that play doesn't impact the outcome of the game.

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Speaker 2: So I did want to ask you.

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Speaker 5: Dean Blandino joining us here on Fox Sports Radio, Jackson

579
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Speaker 5: Smith and Jigba Final Drive for the Seahawks this weekend,

580
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Speaker 5: and there was a what looked like at the very

581
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Speaker 5: least a missed a legal contact. The very next play.

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Speaker 5: They end up calling past interference on the rams and

583
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Speaker 5: the Seahawks continue to drive. Obviously they missed the kick

584
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Speaker 5: and they lose the game. But I'm looking at that

585
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Speaker 5: going it seemed like a makeup call. And I know

586
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Speaker 5: we see this in the NBA, to where they'll miss

587
00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:42,520
Speaker 5: something on one end of the floor, you'll you'll come

588
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Speaker 5: back the other, you know, two plays later and they'll

589
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Speaker 5: call something TICKI tak. Does that exist in the NFL?

590
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Speaker 5: And I don't know that. It's not like they're coached

591
00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:53,320
Speaker 5: up to, hey, you know, make up for it if

592
00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:54,200
Speaker 5: you screw something up.

593
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Speaker 2: But is there the human nature?

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Speaker 5: Hey, maybe I missed that one, you know, without you know,

595
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Speaker 5: without jeopardizing the entire game. It would be only fair

596
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Speaker 5: if I got this one right, because it did feel

597
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Speaker 5: like in that moment that that was a little bit

598
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Speaker 5: of a makeup call.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I can't look humans like you said, human nature.

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Speaker 7: I can't sit here and say that never crossed an

601
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Speaker 7: official's mind. In the NFL, I think there's fewer opportunities,

602
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Speaker 7: like you mentioned the NBA, there's so many opportunities to

603
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Speaker 7: call a foul or not call a foul in the NBA,

604
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Speaker 7: compared to one side judge in the NFL. Who's the

605
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Speaker 7: deep wing official that may have you know, you think

606
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Speaker 7: about run pass, you know, okay, so it's stay fifty fifty.

607
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Speaker 7: So now you're cut in half, and now you might

608
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Speaker 7: have maybe fifteen percent of the place go to the

609
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Speaker 7: receiver on your side of the field. So you have

610
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Speaker 7: fewer opportunities to even call fouls. But I don't think

611
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Speaker 7: it's a thing really in the NFL. Could it? Might

612
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Speaker 7: it have happened. Yeah, I'm sure it's happened at times

613
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Speaker 7: where maybe you kick one and you go, well, I

614
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Speaker 7: really I probably maybe I'm a little a little more

615
00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:05,640
Speaker 7: technical to kind of to kind of make up for

616
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Speaker 7: the one that I missed, But I just don't see

617
00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:13,360
Speaker 7: that happening. They're so focused on their keys and what's happening,

618
00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:15,960
Speaker 7: and to think about, Okay, I missed that one earlier.

619
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Speaker 7: I'm going to there's just too much going on to

620
00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:19,040
Speaker 7: kind of think that way.

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Speaker 4: There's this whole thing with the whole safety aspect of it,

622
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Speaker 4: and the referees managing the way games are played to

623
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Speaker 4: keep it safer. And I'm gonna put that in air

624
00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:35,840
Speaker 4: quotes because my question would be one thing that jumped

625
00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:39,680
Speaker 4: out at me this weekend watching games was the whole

626
00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:43,080
Speaker 4: when the ball is tipped, right, Like I saw a

627
00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:46,440
Speaker 4: couple of dudes get obliterated when the ball got tipped,

628
00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:51,000
Speaker 4: and while it may not be considered targeting, it could

629
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Speaker 4: be considered hitting a defenseless receiver. And so to me,

630
00:31:55,840 --> 00:31:58,640
Speaker 4: it's like, Okay, if we're getting all of these fouls

631
00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:01,080
Speaker 4: that are going again, it's the defenders.

632
00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:03,960
Speaker 2: Why stop where you're at?

633
00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:07,240
Speaker 4: Why Why would you still if it's all about safety

634
00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:11,440
Speaker 4: and safety components? Why are why are guys able to

635
00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:15,600
Speaker 4: tee off on a receiver if the ball is tipped?

636
00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:17,520
Speaker 4: Why is a why is a punter able to be

637
00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:21,560
Speaker 4: made contact with if if the ball is touched like

638
00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:23,440
Speaker 4: it just seems to me you might as well just

639
00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:25,520
Speaker 4: go ahead and throw flags on all of that stuff.

640
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Speaker 7: Yeah, well the tip, I think you mentioned the punter.

641
00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:32,480
Speaker 7: The tip really twipp for receivers. We know it. It

642
00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:35,600
Speaker 7: negates past and difference, right, we always we see that

643
00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:38,080
Speaker 7: a lot because the whole deal with the timing of it. Right,

644
00:32:38,120 --> 00:32:41,120
Speaker 7: I'm the defensive player and I'm playing the ball and

645
00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:44,160
Speaker 7: gets tipped and now I make contact before the ball

646
00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:46,680
Speaker 7: gets there. Well, the tip affected that. But with the

647
00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:51,640
Speaker 7: with the safety element, that receiver, the intended receiver tip

648
00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:54,280
Speaker 7: or not, is still defenseless. So you can't go to

649
00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:56,360
Speaker 7: the headneck area. Now you do see, Yeah, the ball

650
00:32:56,440 --> 00:32:58,320
Speaker 7: is tipped, it's never going to get there, and the

651
00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:00,640
Speaker 7: guy just gets blown up. But you don't hit him

652
00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:03,320
Speaker 7: in the head neck. It's legal if it's not late,

653
00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:06,360
Speaker 7: if it's not away from the play, it's legal. So

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Speaker 7: I don't know, you know, if they'll go that far.

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Speaker 7: I think the theory with the punt is, you know,

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Speaker 7: guy makes a great play and blocks the kick and

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Speaker 7: now just happens to catch a piece of the punter

658
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Speaker 7: and where you know, he really was going to the ball,

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Speaker 7: So I think that was the theory behind that. But again,

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Speaker 7: you know, the safety rules are always evolving, and we're

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Speaker 7: going to see we're going to see more. You know,

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Speaker 7: something's going to come up and we're going to say, okay,

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Speaker 7: we got to add a rule. You know, we talked

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Speaker 7: about the hip drop, we talk about these other things

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Speaker 7: that are happening. So that's not going to go away.

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Speaker 7: And I wouldn't be surprised we see more safety rules

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Speaker 7: come online the next couple of years.

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Speaker 3: Hey, Dean, last one for me.

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Speaker 6: You know, have you ever a top of those people

670
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Speaker 6: who they tend to get a lot of saliva and

671
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Speaker 6: build up and all that stuff, and they kind of

672
00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:52,960
Speaker 6: spit on their talk or maybe they get overly energetic

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00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:55,120
Speaker 6: or excited and then they start.

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Speaker 3: Spraying a little bit.

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Speaker 6: How are you guys coaching up those officials to differentiate

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Speaker 6: the guy who's a spread as oxpposed to a guy

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Speaker 6: who's spitting on someone.

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Speaker 7: Well, I think you get to ask them in they're

679
00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:08,359
Speaker 7: usually they're pretty straight, you know, fourth right about it?

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Speaker 7: And then did you spit on him? And they say no, okay, fine,

681
00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:13,200
Speaker 7: he didn't spit on him? And then you know when

682
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Speaker 7: the video shows up, and I mean that bit was

683
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Speaker 7: worse than the Jalen Carter spit from the week one.

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Speaker 7: But you know, I don't think that one was No

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Speaker 7: official was in you know, obviously with Jalen Carter in

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Speaker 7: the in the opening game, there was an official right there.

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Speaker 7: There was no official with those two guys close enough

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Speaker 7: to see it. And then even on the broadcast, the

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Speaker 7: video wasn't clear cut. I think had that been because

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Speaker 7: they threw flags the officials, then the people in New

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Speaker 7: York could look at that and if there's something else

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Speaker 7: that that should result in the disqualification. But the video

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Speaker 7: just wasn't clear cut till we saw that whatever that

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Speaker 7: camera angle was after the fact.

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Speaker 5: Let me ask you on the Jalen Carter Basically, they

696
00:34:58,360 --> 00:35:00,920
Speaker 5: assessed him a one game suspension, but they counted it

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Speaker 5: as that game that he was kicked out of because

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Speaker 5: the first play of the game. So at what point

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Speaker 5: in the game does it count as a game?

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Speaker 2: You know what I mean?

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Speaker 5: Like, if Jaylen done that in the second quarter, does

702
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Speaker 5: that count as three quarters of a game? And he's

703
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Speaker 5: only going to miss you know, the first quarter of

704
00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:18,839
Speaker 5: game two? Like, how does that work.

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Speaker 7: I think it's literally it would have to be. I

706
00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:25,799
Speaker 7: don't there's no there's nothing in black and white that

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00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:29,200
Speaker 7: says it's with Jalen. It was easy because he did

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Speaker 7: miss the entire game. I think if that's in the

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Speaker 7: fourth quarter, then he's there's a better chance that he's

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00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:37,080
Speaker 7: going to get suspended for a full game. They would

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00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:39,480
Speaker 7: never suspend. They don't. They don't suspend for a quarter.

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Speaker 7: It's not it's not like that, you know. They probably

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Speaker 7: I would say, just wallpark it first quarter. They might

714
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Speaker 7: they might say, Okay, you missed every three and a

715
00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:52,399
Speaker 7: half quarters. But I think now we've got we've got

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Speaker 7: a precedent now that if you spit on somebody, you're

717
00:35:54,640 --> 00:35:57,440
Speaker 7: going to lose a game, you know, And then and

718
00:35:57,440 --> 00:36:02,240
Speaker 7: then we'll see.

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Speaker 5: The whole thing's ridiculous, like just spinning on guys.

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Speaker 4: I got one more question for you, Dean the run

721
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Speaker 4: by the tight end in Pittsburgh, Darnell Washington, he comes out,

722
00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:16,440
Speaker 4: he jabs, he jabs to do with the stiff arm.

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Speaker 4: I mean, it was like you could call it a

724
00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:23,480
Speaker 4: punch to the face. He sat him down, then he

725
00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:27,200
Speaker 4: lowers his head, which was clearly should be considered a

726
00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:32,400
Speaker 4: targeting the guy trying not to be targeting him in

727
00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:36,640
Speaker 4: his big ass he misses him, and then he puts

728
00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:40,320
Speaker 4: his head down again, and it looks like another blatant

729
00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:42,799
Speaker 4: targeting that takes place at the end of the run.

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00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:46,200
Speaker 4: I mean he targeted twice in the run. I just

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Speaker 4: at what point do we say, you know, you gotta

732
00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:54,040
Speaker 4: let these guys tackle, like all this hip dropping, Like

733
00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:56,680
Speaker 4: if it's an egregious hip drop, a guy grabs you

734
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Speaker 4: by your horse collar, drops his butt on the back

735
00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:03,240
Speaker 4: of your leg. I get that, But at some point

736
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Speaker 4: we do have to take into consideration bigger, stronger, faster, how.

737
00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:09,440
Speaker 2: Are you supposed to be?

738
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Speaker 4: Like, all right, you're doing it with these big ass

739
00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:14,080
Speaker 4: quarterbacks and they get away with it. But once you

740
00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:17,440
Speaker 4: get into ball carriers, you know, guys that are catching

741
00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:21,200
Speaker 4: the ball, I mean, will there will there ever be

742
00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:25,360
Speaker 4: a real attention to the detail of what these offensive

743
00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:27,200
Speaker 4: guys are doing when they're running the ball.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, you know, it's it's a great point. It's something

745
00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:32,719
Speaker 7: that we've discussed that length. And the theory, OHI is

746
00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:38,760
Speaker 7: was the ball carrier was was the priority thing himself and.

747
00:37:38,239 --> 00:37:39,760
Speaker 2: He's allowed to protect himself.

748
00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:43,720
Speaker 7: Yeah, And the defenders. The defenders are trying to get

749
00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:44,439
Speaker 7: are trying.

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00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:46,359
Speaker 2: Most of the time, they're trying to hurt them.

751
00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:51,520
Speaker 7: Ninety eight percent of the time the defenders initiating the contact.

752
00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:53,879
Speaker 7: But we see it and like the stiff Farm, Yeah

753
00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:55,560
Speaker 7: you can stip Farm, but you can't wind up and

754
00:37:56,760 --> 00:38:00,720
Speaker 7: with a forcible blow to the headneck or really anywhere.

755
00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:03,680
Speaker 7: You can't lower the head and initiate contact with the helmet.

756
00:38:03,719 --> 00:38:07,280
Speaker 7: They do, they get rarely gets called used to helmet

757
00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:10,279
Speaker 7: on the on the ball carrier. They do fine. And

758
00:38:10,640 --> 00:38:13,040
Speaker 7: one I know, you know the kid from the Giants, Scatterboo.

759
00:38:13,120 --> 00:38:15,080
Speaker 7: He's out now, but he I think he got fined

760
00:38:15,080 --> 00:38:16,920
Speaker 7: two or three times his first couple of games for

761
00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:19,560
Speaker 7: lower and his head and initiating contact with the helmet.

762
00:38:20,239 --> 00:38:22,879
Speaker 7: So it is. It is a hard one, especially East,

763
00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:26,000
Speaker 7: because now it feels like I watched games and I

764
00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:28,640
Speaker 7: feel like I see seventeen hip drop tackles. I'm like,

765
00:38:28,719 --> 00:38:32,640
Speaker 7: and they're not They're not done maliciously. It's just that's

766
00:38:32,719 --> 00:38:36,560
Speaker 7: the mechanics of the body trying to get this bigger

767
00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:39,279
Speaker 7: guy on the ground. It just happens. And so I

768
00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:42,719
Speaker 7: think defense is at a disadvantage. I don't think that's

769
00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:45,479
Speaker 7: going to change, but it's just one of those things

770
00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:47,640
Speaker 7: that got to kind of work through at this point.

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Speaker 2: Dean always appreciated. Thanks so much. We do it again

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Speaker 2: next week.

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Speaker 2: Time to find out what's left tons incredible. Here's the

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Speaker 2: left over this subler Ray Ray.

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Speaker 12: Oh boys, we got a little touch back from our

794
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Speaker 12: conversation yesterday. We were trying to figure out which show

795
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Speaker 12: stole Jonas's famous Monte Beilanos little Thing Bylanyo.

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Speaker 2: Let me update take you off that exact song.

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Speaker 12: Okay, we know this is Monty's little get up.

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Speaker 2: But you created that, Jonas, Yeah, you created that. You

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Speaker 2: did it. So we play that again, then I go

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Speaker 2: it together.

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Speaker 12: I don't know if I can rewind it back to

802
00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:21,040
Speaker 12: that exact spot right now, but I do want to

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Speaker 12: show you the show that knocked off jonas little thing off.

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Speaker 2: But right now it times to go to Mancy for

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Speaker 2: an update. You mean blonios the rule it goes.

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Speaker 12: Let the update take you.

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Speaker 2: That's how it goes.

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Speaker 5: I mean, imitation is the biggest form of flat To

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Speaker 5: be fair, she did she did credit and uh and

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Speaker 5: give us, you know, give us love for that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah they did. Yeah they tried to. At least I

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Speaker 2: heard there you go the originally