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Speaker 1: Our Way with yours truly paul Anka and my buddy

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Speaker 1: Skip Bronson is a production of iHeart Rating. Hi folks,

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Speaker 1: this is Paul Anka.

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Speaker 2: And my name is Skip Bronson.

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Speaker 3: We've been friends for decades and we've decided to let

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Speaker 3: you in on our late night phone calls by starting

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Speaker 3: a new podcast.

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Speaker 1: And welcome to Our Way. We'd like you to meet

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Speaker 1: some real good friends of ours.

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Speaker 2: You're leaders in entertainment and.

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Speaker 1: Sports, innovators in business and technology, and even as sitting

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Speaker 1: president or two.

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Speaker 3: Join us as we ask the questions they've not been

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Speaker 3: asked before, tell it like it is, and even sing

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Speaker 3: a song or two.

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Speaker 1: This is our podcast and we'll be doing it our way.

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Speaker 4: We are very clear my family and me. You know,

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Speaker 4: I think in business is important that the family is

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Speaker 4: before everything. After family, you go to a business and

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Speaker 4: then you go to Ukovic. I think that business man

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Speaker 4: and an entrepreneur that we are creators of well, but

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Speaker 4: also we managed well, but we are temporary managerself well

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Speaker 4: because we don't take anything with us.

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Speaker 5: Hey Skip, Hey, there he is. There's the guy. How

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Speaker 5: are you doing?

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Speaker 6: You're getting ready to go to our guests. This week's

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Speaker 6: Homeland Mexico and leave you soon.

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Speaker 5: You tell me, yeah, I'm going to Cabo really looking

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Speaker 5: forward to it.

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Speaker 7: I can't believe you're able to get Carlos Slim to

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Speaker 7: do a podcast.

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Speaker 5: I know you're close friends, but you know that's awesome

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Speaker 5: to get.

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Speaker 6: You know, he was You and I sat with our

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Speaker 6: lists and it's as very diverse one as you know.

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Speaker 6: And I think that I've leaned on some friends as

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Speaker 6: you have, and they've both come forward. But I think

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Speaker 6: that getting Carlos you're going to have a very interesting

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Speaker 6: conversation and an educational kind of vibe to it, because

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Speaker 6: the guy at his age is super smart, super sharp,

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Speaker 6: and he's the humblest guy of that elk, of all

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Speaker 6: of them that you and I know that I've ever met,

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Speaker 6: and he's just one of the most beautiful human beings.

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Speaker 6: He's got all his priorities, but his family's ahead of

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Speaker 6: all of it. But this guy, you're going to really

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Speaker 6: sit there and go, Wow, what a superstar.

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Speaker 5: This guy is a human being.

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Speaker 7: I want to remind him. In two thousand and eight,

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Speaker 7: I met him, Barry Sterlett. He called me up and

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Speaker 7: he said, listen, got Carlos Slim. Lady Linda Rothschild and

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Speaker 7: another friend of Barry's, Rick Earthen, And he said, we're

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Speaker 7: going to go take a look at some hotel properties

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Speaker 7: and things we can buy. Carlos wants to invest, and

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Speaker 7: it's an opportunity to spend time with him. I said,

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Speaker 7: you're getting fantastic. So on Barry's plane flew to San Diego.

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Speaker 7: Uh looked at it at the La Consta Resort, ironically,

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Speaker 7: a place where I used to have a home. Then

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Speaker 7: we flew up to northern California, and you know this.

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Speaker 7: At the time, of course, I knew him as the

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Speaker 5: Just he was just thoughtful and kind.

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Speaker 7: He wanted to hear what you had to say, didn't

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Speaker 7: want to just talk about himself. He was interested in you,

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Speaker 7: interested in ideas, and just I thought he was great.

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Speaker 7: But I got a kick out of it because we

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Speaker 7: It wasn't a playoff game, regular season game. He said,

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Speaker 7: Oh no, I got to watch the baseball game. So

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Speaker 7: we were calling all around our you know, assistants were calling, Hey,

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Speaker 7: what restaurant has a television where we can eat, you know,

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Speaker 5: So we did that and yeah, yeah, and I know,

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Speaker 5: I know how close you are to him, and you know, yeah.

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Speaker 6: Extremely And you have a pick. Can't you show me

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Speaker 6: a picture a while? But you've got to bring it

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I should do the habit. Actually I'm going to.

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Speaker 5: I'll hold it up to the screen.

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Speaker 6: He'll totally remember. His memory is remarkable. And it's just

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Speaker 6: you know, I got a circle of friends and you know,

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Speaker 6: you're right in there, and I've just got friends that

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Speaker 5: And he's very rare, very rare.

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Speaker 7: He's known for being wealthy, but he's also known for

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Speaker 7: his philanthropy. I mean, he has done so much for

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Speaker 7: so many and I really want to.

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Speaker 5: Hear about that.

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Speaker 7: I want to ask him about that and hear how

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Speaker 7: he makes his decisions on you know, where he dedicates

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Speaker 6: His family is very involved in that, the foundation his business.

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Speaker 6: You know, I hang with him, we have dinners, and

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Speaker 6: I just see exactly intelligent they are. The love that

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Speaker 6: what they're doing is going to be it's just amazing,

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Speaker 6: you know. But it's gonna be very cool. I'm really

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Speaker 6: looking forward to this one big time.

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Speaker 7: I could also mention the fact that I met him also,

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Speaker 7: and I'll say this one of your weddings.

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Speaker 5: Where I will.

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Speaker 7: You're so, I was seated between Carlos Slim and Warren Buffett.

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Speaker 5: I mean, how many places do you go where that happens.

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Speaker 6: Well, I hope it's the end of it for me.

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Speaker 4: You don't for meeting him again and any of that.

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Speaker 6: Well, there's one more to go, and that'll be the

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Speaker 5: There you go, one more. Come on, you got you

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Speaker 5: got a good you got a good girl. Now we

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Speaker 7: And something tells me Warren Buffett and Carlos will be there.

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Speaker 6: Uh yeah, they'll get invites.

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Speaker 5: Yeah they can get there, they will.

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Speaker 1: But you'll be there, my brother.

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Speaker 7: You say, but I got off behind marks for you know,

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Speaker 7: it's funny with podcasts, there are some guests that you get, like,

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Speaker 7: you know, we had Mark Burnett, he doesn't do podcasts,

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Speaker 7: you know, other than they really don't. We got Alec

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Speaker 7: But Carlos Slim, I mean, come on, that's no who

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Speaker 7: else has Carlos Slim on the podcast? It's crazy nobody. Yeah,

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Speaker 7: I'm really excited about listening to him. This is gonna

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Speaker 6: Just sit back and listen and you're gonna love it.

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Speaker 6: The guy is just full of all good stuff, good stuff.

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Speaker 6: He's got to beat on everything.

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Speaker 5: I can't wait. I can't wait.

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Speaker 6: So let's root for the Rangers here, buddy.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm doing it full speak.

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Speaker 4: Ye, root for them.

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Speaker 6: This series is on, as you know, so let's.

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Speaker 4: Get it at the end.

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Speaker 5: Looking forward to that too.

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Speaker 6: Okay, man, Well you travel safe and I love him.

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Speaker 5: Okay, thanks, I'll call you from Mexico. Okay, man, love it.

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Speaker 1: Hello everybody, it's a Skip and Paul on our way.

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Speaker 1: And we've been having a great time doing this. We've

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Speaker 1: great interviews. But I must tell you personally that today

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Speaker 1: is probably the most special the man that you're going

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Speaker 1: because he's one of the most humble, sensitive people I've

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Speaker 1: I want to qualify that he's a great man. He's

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Speaker 1: someone that I've shared so many hours and days with.

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Speaker 1: So it's going to be a very warm and friendly

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Speaker 1: and informative conversation today with someone that I love very

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Speaker 1: Dearly folks. Carl Slim from Mexico City is on with

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Speaker 1: Skip and I. Carlos, Welcome to our broadcast.

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Speaker 4: Thank you, Thank you very much. Paul, and I know

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Speaker 4: that you are a really very good friend. That's why

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Speaker 4: you say so kind and things about me. Thank you

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Speaker 4: very much for what you have said that in parties,

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Speaker 4: because we have a great friendship for many years.

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Speaker 1: Yes, Alas, I want to go back to the beginning

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Speaker 1: before we get into business and other amazing things that

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Speaker 1: I know are about you. Take us back to the

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Speaker 1: beginning with your dad, how you started and what motivated you.

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Speaker 4: My father have a problems with the heart. He has

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Speaker 4: in partos some problems, important problems, and that's why he

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Speaker 4: tried to teach us to learn about in my case,

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Speaker 4: laughter all the jobs I do. He passed away when

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Speaker 4: I was thirteen years old, but he left a lot

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Speaker 4: It was really very tough to lose my father at

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Speaker 4: I stayed two years with big, big problems of pain

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Speaker 4: Many of his words I still to use. We have

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Speaker 1: What what motivated you, Carlos to succeed when you first

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Speaker 4: Well, you know you have a tommage, you have any vocations.

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Speaker 4: But your personality and your character and your interest and

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Speaker 4: And for me at the beginning in the university, when

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Speaker 4: and in sixty five I begin my activity like businessman,

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Speaker 4: creating two companies. One a bottling company that we both

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Speaker 4: Then also in the same month, maybe sixty six, I

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Speaker 3: When we got started, I remembered that you and I

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Speaker 4: Let me go a little back. We are very clear

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Speaker 4: of work, et cetera. And that's where Mexico can be

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00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:30,359
Speaker 4: very important to make these w It was also important

439
00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:33,439
Speaker 4: that the Chinese president went to San Francisco to the

440
00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:37,280
Speaker 4: meeting that you have a few months ago, and that

441
00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:42,800
Speaker 4: is say later that they are not thinking and they

442
00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:49,160
Speaker 4: don't like a cold war world. That's very important. And

443
00:28:49,280 --> 00:28:55,040
Speaker 4: they are both country thinking in economy and technology. I

444
00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:58,360
Speaker 4: think that's important for them and for the world and

445
00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:03,400
Speaker 4: for the for the advanced. Now the intell artificial intelligence

446
00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:08,000
Speaker 4: is coming fast and strongly, and immediately you see the

447
00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:14,640
Speaker 4: American company is already there. In the American corporations are

448
00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:21,120
Speaker 4: already in artificial intelligence. What problem plan we have in

449
00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:26,760
Speaker 4: artificial intelligence we can It will increase the productivity and

450
00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:31,920
Speaker 4: it will not so slowly disappear many label many labor

451
00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:36,480
Speaker 4: will be done with artificial intelligence, not by human beings.

452
00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:40,840
Speaker 4: That's why I have a few years many like ten

453
00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:43,800
Speaker 4: or fifteen, I don't know how many talking about the

454
00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:48,520
Speaker 4: change of labor. Instead of working five days of some

455
00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:51,840
Speaker 4: countries are doing for to work three days eleven or

456
00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:56,760
Speaker 4: Coward fowers. And in this way you have people that

457
00:29:56,840 --> 00:30:00,520
Speaker 4: were Mount Juday well day and people that work third, Friday,

458
00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:05,400
Speaker 4: young and Saturday. In this way you multiply the opportunities

459
00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:10,240
Speaker 4: of employment. But also instead of retired as sixty five

460
00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:14,400
Speaker 4: or sixty sixty five, they need to retire at seventy

461
00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:18,280
Speaker 4: five because already. You look at Europe and the US

462
00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:21,200
Speaker 4: the cost of the patient funds and you pay the

463
00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:24,440
Speaker 4: patients and the health for the family, there are no

464
00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:27,760
Speaker 4: funds to pay that. That's why Europe is moving. That's

465
00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:31,280
Speaker 4: why the French government went to move two years. And

466
00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:34,360
Speaker 4: I think that if the new people that work three

467
00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:38,120
Speaker 4: days retired as seventy five years old, you take out

468
00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:41,440
Speaker 4: the big problem of the pensions at sixty five, when

469
00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:44,360
Speaker 4: people is living ninety years old in su Mari. I

470
00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:50,240
Speaker 4: am positive of the near future of Aware countries.

471
00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:04,880
Speaker 1: Carlos. I've spent so many amazing times with you, and

472
00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:06,960
Speaker 1: I agree with you on the politics. I think it's

473
00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:10,880
Speaker 1: become very tribal in this country unfortunately. But one of

474
00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:14,080
Speaker 1: the great moments was the first time you took me

475
00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:18,680
Speaker 1: through your museum in Mexico City, which is one of

476
00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:23,680
Speaker 1: the most incredible, incredible museums I've seen in modern times.

477
00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:26,320
Speaker 1: Your love of art, where did it come from? How

478
00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:27,360
Speaker 1: many pieces do you have?

479
00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:28,040
Speaker 2: You know?

480
00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:30,520
Speaker 1: Tell us about how it all started with that love

481
00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:34,240
Speaker 1: of art and it culminated in this amazing museum that

482
00:31:34,360 --> 00:31:38,000
Speaker 1: everyone I think should see. It's just an amazing experience.

483
00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:43,200
Speaker 4: Well, my wife love art when we went to Colimoon.

484
00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:47,080
Speaker 4: We went to the museums in Europe. Every time we

485
00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:50,120
Speaker 4: go there, we go to the museums. We may get

486
00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:53,080
Speaker 4: involved in some more options to buy so MRK for

487
00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:58,880
Speaker 4: our home. But I have a friend that tipasaway, a

488
00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:04,160
Speaker 4: young friend, very very intelligent and cured with high levels

489
00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:08,560
Speaker 4: of Curtura knowledge, and he recommended me to buy a

490
00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:13,320
Speaker 4: collection from colonial art in Mexico. It was in the eighties,

491
00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:18,480
Speaker 4: late eighties. I bought the collection. But when I about

492
00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:22,920
Speaker 4: this big collection, it was to do a museum. After

493
00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:27,160
Speaker 4: I about the collection, I built the I make a

494
00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:32,480
Speaker 4: development development in an old factory and I make the

495
00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:36,640
Speaker 4: museum there. The inauguration was in ninety four. And then,

496
00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:41,360
Speaker 4: looking that people love to go to the museum, I

497
00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:44,560
Speaker 4: make another museum in the in the other side of

498
00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:49,920
Speaker 4: the city that the museum. You know, the inauguration was

499
00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:56,760
Speaker 4: on thirteen years ago, and the people going there well

500
00:32:56,960 --> 00:33:01,640
Speaker 4: by by beginning I offered that free, that is free

501
00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:05,719
Speaker 4: always all the days, for all the life. My idea

502
00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:09,080
Speaker 4: is that the museum is free for the people to

503
00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:14,880
Speaker 4: go and to enjoy. And I am very happy to

504
00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:17,520
Speaker 4: look that they go, Families, that they go, young people

505
00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:22,480
Speaker 4: like they know from schools. That's really really very a

506
00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:25,960
Speaker 4: big motivation for me to look how many go there,

507
00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:30,040
Speaker 4: how much they enjoy, how clean they have the museum

508
00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:33,040
Speaker 4: because they don't. You don't look that they painting badrooms

509
00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:36,480
Speaker 4: out or something. And it has more many millions of

510
00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:40,000
Speaker 4: people going there, and I am very happy and motivated

511
00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:43,680
Speaker 4: to look back. And because of that, I follow, I

512
00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:50,920
Speaker 4: follow buying in auctions in many options the art. We

513
00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:57,920
Speaker 4: already our our main issue of the foundation is social.

514
00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:01,720
Speaker 4: That's why now now we are more focused to the

515
00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:06,720
Speaker 4: social issues and we have big programs of education. We

516
00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:11,880
Speaker 4: have agreements with the universities of US. We have agreement

517
00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:16,920
Speaker 4: for many years we can academy, can academy for basic education.

518
00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:21,840
Speaker 4: Mainly we have a lot of agreements to give education.

519
00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:27,640
Speaker 4: And we make also by ourselves a lot of training programs.

520
00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:31,520
Speaker 4: And these training programs is for people to take this

521
00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:36,520
Speaker 4: training program for jobs. That means that if we want

522
00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:43,440
Speaker 4: to be in tourism, in the kitchen, in cooking, whatever

523
00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:47,680
Speaker 4: he wants to do in mining, in construction, he can

524
00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:51,560
Speaker 4: take these courses and with these courses take the job

525
00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:55,480
Speaker 4: more easily because he already have training to work. Because

526
00:34:55,520 --> 00:34:58,600
Speaker 4: it has been very successful that we work in head

527
00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:03,240
Speaker 4: like I say, in in education, in sports, in culture,

528
00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:08,279
Speaker 4: in other social issues, human rights, many many things. We

529
00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:12,840
Speaker 4: are working in the Foundation, and we're very happy to

530
00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:17,000
Speaker 4: do that. We know that the Foundations didn't solve the

531
00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:23,520
Speaker 4: problem of employment, but they solved the problem of scaled education, training,

532
00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:28,000
Speaker 4: enjoying the museums, enjoying sports. We have a sport, and

533
00:35:28,120 --> 00:35:31,479
Speaker 4: we are very glad to develop the society with these

534
00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:36,200
Speaker 4: programs of the Foundation. But also we have clear that

535
00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:39,120
Speaker 4: the way to wat type of poverty as education and

536
00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:43,719
Speaker 4: your work labeled to have opportunities of work.

537
00:35:44,239 --> 00:35:47,600
Speaker 3: So for most of us who learned about you, it

538
00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:52,000
Speaker 3: originally happened when Forbes magazine listed you as the richest

539
00:35:52,040 --> 00:35:55,040
Speaker 3: man in the world. It was quite an accomplishment, needless

540
00:35:55,080 --> 00:35:59,880
Speaker 3: to say. But now you're known so much for your philanthropy,

541
00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:04,239
Speaker 3: for your generosity, donating to so many causes. But how

542
00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:07,359
Speaker 3: do you decide where you donate your money? There's so

543
00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:10,520
Speaker 3: much there's so much need in the world. How do

544
00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:12,040
Speaker 3: you decide where to donates?

545
00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:15,280
Speaker 4: Well, first of all, we put the money the foundation.

546
00:36:15,719 --> 00:36:20,440
Speaker 4: The foundation have the money there. Second, the Foundation moves

547
00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:24,680
Speaker 4: immediately when we have a crisis a problem let's say

548
00:36:25,239 --> 00:36:30,200
Speaker 4: the Cura can of Akapulco. The next day we are there.

549
00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:34,520
Speaker 4: We are there to support in many ways. Let's say,

550
00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:38,800
Speaker 4: first of all detail communications. We go very fast to

551
00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:42,880
Speaker 4: make them work again. But at the same day the

552
00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:47,920
Speaker 4: problems made. The main problems is food water. We send

553
00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:55,920
Speaker 4: sixteen portabilizing machines for water, water and and help food

554
00:36:56,000 --> 00:37:00,520
Speaker 4: and then help we make commigations. And then after that

555
00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:03,440
Speaker 4: you finished with the problem of the food and the

556
00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:08,120
Speaker 4: emergency and the health. That is very important to take

557
00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:10,120
Speaker 4: care because in this place and you have a lot

558
00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:16,480
Speaker 4: of mosquito and you have another issue in the hospital.

559
00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:24,480
Speaker 4: We lend them the motabilizing equipment and for energy also,

560
00:37:25,120 --> 00:37:28,840
Speaker 4: and then we also bought from energy to have a

561
00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:33,839
Speaker 4: in the in the mobile service faster because there were

562
00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:39,399
Speaker 4: not power electric power available. The next step mainly is

563
00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:44,560
Speaker 4: make a renaissance of a caul to make a Capuco

564
00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:48,480
Speaker 4: come back. A Kapulco was down for many years, and

565
00:37:48,520 --> 00:37:53,120
Speaker 4: now we went to we're working for the restoration of

566
00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:58,200
Speaker 4: schoolsters and houses, who are taking a big number of

567
00:37:58,239 --> 00:38:03,600
Speaker 4: houses like fifteen hundred to begin to make them come back,

568
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:07,680
Speaker 4: to have the ceilings okay, and the we want them

569
00:38:07,719 --> 00:38:11,040
Speaker 4: to paint outside in some good colors in some areas

570
00:38:11,080 --> 00:38:12,839
Speaker 4: to have the same color. We will try to do

571
00:38:12,920 --> 00:38:17,560
Speaker 4: that and we're working still in that. So that's one

572
00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:21,880
Speaker 4: of the problems when we have the earthquake of twenty seventeen.

573
00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:28,360
Speaker 4: In this earthquake, we put a lot of money. We

574
00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:30,960
Speaker 4: invite other people to put money and they put five

575
00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:33,839
Speaker 4: five for and we put five for everyone that they

576
00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:37,600
Speaker 4: put and we have a lot of money for the

577
00:38:37,640 --> 00:38:42,600
Speaker 4: recomperation we finish. Our job is begin the twenty seventeen.

578
00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:46,600
Speaker 4: We finished it like two years ago and with the pandemia,

579
00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:51,080
Speaker 4: we managed to have a six hundred thirty beds in

580
00:38:51,160 --> 00:38:54,080
Speaker 4: the hospital in the unity. No, it's not at that

581
00:38:54,280 --> 00:38:57,359
Speaker 4: was the emergency we do. And you know, we find

582
00:38:57,400 --> 00:39:01,800
Speaker 4: something very interesting. You remember when they intube the people,

583
00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:07,280
Speaker 4: many of them passed away. Instead of using the the intube,

584
00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:13,000
Speaker 4: we use something called full tasks of high flue. That

585
00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:18,840
Speaker 4: means a respiration with a high pressure to be like

586
00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:22,799
Speaker 4: if it's very que and seventy seventy percent of the

587
00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:26,480
Speaker 4: people that use this this doesn't need to make to

588
00:39:26,560 --> 00:39:31,920
Speaker 4: make the tube until a meet. They put the very

589
00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:39,000
Speaker 4: strong fifty and it worked very fast. And uh, we

590
00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:42,440
Speaker 4: managed like more than ten thousand people there and it

591
00:39:42,600 --> 00:39:46,799
Speaker 4: was very successful. Actually, many of the people that were

592
00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:49,799
Speaker 4: there that were more than three thousand people, there were

593
00:39:49,840 --> 00:39:53,040
Speaker 4: a lot of people working there. They were the high

594
00:39:53,120 --> 00:39:57,000
Speaker 4: quality people working there. And they get sick, some of

595
00:39:57,040 --> 00:39:59,839
Speaker 4: them or many of them. And about the pass away.

596
00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:04,319
Speaker 4: Another that we used to do is to go to

597
00:40:04,440 --> 00:40:08,879
Speaker 4: these james and take out the people that were there

598
00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:12,080
Speaker 4: because they were poor and cannot pay two hundred dollars

599
00:40:12,200 --> 00:40:15,200
Speaker 4: or three hundred dollars. So the people that were not

600
00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:19,080
Speaker 4: with violence and were the first time they had something,

601
00:40:19,280 --> 00:40:23,160
Speaker 4: we pay the fire the pianza and we get them

602
00:40:23,239 --> 00:40:28,680
Speaker 4: out of jail because they were in the jail because

603
00:40:28,719 --> 00:40:31,120
Speaker 4: they were poor, not because they were criminals.

604
00:40:42,280 --> 00:40:46,279
Speaker 1: Your renovation in Acopoco, which you explained to me last

605
00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:48,920
Speaker 1: time I saw you, you know, Aco Poco to the

606
00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:52,279
Speaker 1: Americans was the place. How long is that going to

607
00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:57,600
Speaker 1: take finishing that project? Carlos? And are the cartel will

608
00:40:57,600 --> 00:40:59,000
Speaker 1: they be out of that region?

609
00:40:59,560 --> 00:41:05,239
Speaker 4: Look, uh, I think the reparation of hotels and houses

610
00:41:06,200 --> 00:41:12,000
Speaker 4: and schools will be finished in my opinion this year

611
00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:16,759
Speaker 4: six months maybe maybe this year. The condominiums are more

612
00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:21,920
Speaker 4: complicated because they have forty owners and one owner owners

613
00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:24,920
Speaker 4: think something and the other thing another. We don't know

614
00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:28,799
Speaker 4: if they have insurance, et cetera, et cetera. But I

615
00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:34,319
Speaker 4: think the main issue is security and security. There is

616
00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:41,919
Speaker 4: the compromise of the government to put many places where

617
00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:46,160
Speaker 4: they have the National Guard, and that's not the way

618
00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:49,960
Speaker 4: that they put order. But we need to have a

619
00:41:50,080 --> 00:41:56,680
Speaker 4: better security situation in a Caulco to make it popular. Actually,

620
00:41:56,800 --> 00:41:59,480
Speaker 4: we're planning to make a visit in the first week

621
00:41:59,560 --> 00:42:03,480
Speaker 4: of you to look how we are advancing on that.

622
00:42:03,600 --> 00:42:07,600
Speaker 4: We have a permanent people there working, but we're going

623
00:42:07,640 --> 00:42:10,759
Speaker 4: to make a checkop and maybe the ambassador of US

624
00:42:10,840 --> 00:42:12,040
Speaker 4: is coming with us.

625
00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:14,080
Speaker 2: I'm going to be in Mexico tomorrow.

626
00:42:14,160 --> 00:42:17,239
Speaker 3: You're you're talking about Acapulco, where obviously there was a

627
00:42:17,239 --> 00:42:20,839
Speaker 3: lot of tourism from the United States. Now I'm going

628
00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:24,200
Speaker 3: to Cabo San Lucas tomorrow with friends. I can't get

629
00:42:24,239 --> 00:42:26,600
Speaker 3: over what's going on here. It seems like every time

630
00:42:26,600 --> 00:42:30,160
Speaker 3: I go there's another hotel, you know, being built. It's

631
00:42:30,200 --> 00:42:33,960
Speaker 3: it's just phenomenal what's happened in Cabo. Isn't it remarkable?

632
00:42:34,520 --> 00:42:37,600
Speaker 4: That was a Lucas have done a great job and

633
00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:42,479
Speaker 4: like you say, it's growing Extrowdinari Cabs and Lucas. Once

634
00:42:42,600 --> 00:42:46,279
Speaker 4: begin the development maybe eighty years ago, I mean a

635
00:42:46,280 --> 00:42:49,240
Speaker 4: lot of time ago, but in the last twenty years

636
00:42:49,600 --> 00:42:53,000
Speaker 4: it had been very successful. After a Capuco it came.

637
00:42:53,040 --> 00:42:57,080
Speaker 4: Do you remember Calcun Yeah, of course can to look

638
00:42:57,640 --> 00:43:01,400
Speaker 4: also with big developments, but loss is very very important.

639
00:43:01,480 --> 00:43:04,600
Speaker 4: Los Cabos for people of California and some of Canada

640
00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:08,799
Speaker 4: is great. We have a lot of development north of

641
00:43:08,920 --> 00:43:12,919
Speaker 4: Los Cabos, you know La Pass and there are many

642
00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:17,920
Speaker 4: places up near near the California that are beautiful places.

643
00:43:17,920 --> 00:43:22,400
Speaker 4: They are doing some developments already there. And now we

644
00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:27,000
Speaker 4: are with a new program in Mexico called Riviera Nayarita.

645
00:43:27,880 --> 00:43:32,680
Speaker 4: That it is Nayarita. You know Puntamita, Yes, in Punta

646
00:43:32,719 --> 00:43:39,040
Speaker 4: Meta and all Bayarda, Porto wa Yarta, Porto wa Yartaa.

647
00:43:39,680 --> 00:43:45,640
Speaker 4: It will go north until until some blasts that will

648
00:43:45,680 --> 00:43:50,120
Speaker 4: be Rivera Nayarita. There are like four big developments coming.

649
00:43:51,120 --> 00:43:54,680
Speaker 4: Puta Meta still is going to do two hotels and

650
00:43:54,760 --> 00:43:57,840
Speaker 4: if you put me is beautiful and only way to

651
00:43:58,360 --> 00:44:03,040
Speaker 4: the north have you full beaches. And it's another new

652
00:44:03,760 --> 00:44:10,040
Speaker 4: big development. It's already big and old YadA. It is

653
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Speaker 4: a very big development already, but it is going more

654
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Speaker 4: to the Nayarit Rivera Nayarita north because Porto Kalisko, near

655
00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:26,640
Speaker 4: the middle and north of Calisco is nayari and that's

656
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Speaker 4: also what we are calling Rivera Nayarita.

657
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Speaker 1: Are you putting a road? Didn't you tell me last

658
00:44:32,280 --> 00:44:35,280
Speaker 1: time I saw you? You're building a road from south

659
00:44:35,320 --> 00:44:36,960
Speaker 1: to north or north to the south.

660
00:44:37,080 --> 00:44:41,040
Speaker 4: We make we make a road from the airport of

661
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Speaker 4: Puerto Aayarta to the to the airport of the peak

662
00:44:46,040 --> 00:44:50,000
Speaker 4: in Nayariit. That's all the way, all the Rivera Nayarita

663
00:44:50,120 --> 00:44:56,080
Speaker 4: is taking there. It's beautiful this road because you you

664
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Speaker 4: move from Tomarria part to other places and suddenly you

665
00:44:59,680 --> 00:45:02,960
Speaker 4: find we see in prot of you, it's a beautiful road.

666
00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:05,920
Speaker 3: There's so many beautiful places. I went to San Miguel

667
00:45:06,239 --> 00:45:08,400
Speaker 3: and I couldn't get over how beautiful it was.

668
00:45:08,640 --> 00:45:14,279
Speaker 4: There's a lot of population of retired, retired people living in.

669
00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:18,560
Speaker 3: There are so many people in California that always went

670
00:45:18,600 --> 00:45:21,920
Speaker 3: to Hawaii. That was where we went, and now you know,

671
00:45:22,239 --> 00:45:25,759
Speaker 3: more people than ever before going to Mexico. You know

672
00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:29,799
Speaker 3: the people are so kind, you get amazing service. The weather,

673
00:45:29,920 --> 00:45:32,480
Speaker 3: of course is wonderful, and the fact that it's so

674
00:45:32,640 --> 00:45:35,440
Speaker 3: close in comparison to going to Hawaii, it's just a

675
00:45:35,520 --> 00:45:38,640
Speaker 3: much better choice for a lot of the people who

676
00:45:38,680 --> 00:45:41,680
Speaker 3: live where I do in Los Angeles where Paul lives,

677
00:45:41,719 --> 00:45:43,120
Speaker 3: pretty pretty easy to get to.

678
00:45:44,800 --> 00:45:50,000
Speaker 4: Fantastic what happened there, the way they grow the hotels,

679
00:45:50,280 --> 00:45:53,960
Speaker 4: because of land, the houses, everything, but totally they are

680
00:45:54,040 --> 00:45:57,880
Speaker 4: doing things in the in the in the Sea of

681
00:45:57,920 --> 00:46:03,160
Speaker 4: Fortees there are a beautiful place in development, and in

682
00:46:03,239 --> 00:46:06,600
Speaker 4: La Pace it's also growing. And then you have Loretto

683
00:46:06,880 --> 00:46:11,959
Speaker 4: that is beautiful, but it is not enough airplanes going there,

684
00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:16,359
Speaker 4: but it's beautiful, and there are golf courses, a big

685
00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:20,280
Speaker 4: beautiful mountains. It's beautiful and you find a lot of

686
00:46:20,280 --> 00:46:24,799
Speaker 4: of sea life. Actually the blue the blue whales water

687
00:46:25,040 --> 00:46:30,920
Speaker 4: in the December any February year near around Loretto. But

688
00:46:31,040 --> 00:46:35,000
Speaker 4: you always find animals in the sea and you see

689
00:46:35,640 --> 00:46:39,200
Speaker 4: whales and dolf a lot of golf in. I think

690
00:46:39,239 --> 00:46:45,200
Speaker 4: it's a beautiful larry and near near California. When you

691
00:46:45,280 --> 00:46:50,279
Speaker 4: have Pelippe, you have in Senada, and Pelipe has not

692
00:46:50,360 --> 00:46:53,560
Speaker 4: grown as much it should be done. And you have

693
00:46:53,640 --> 00:46:56,759
Speaker 4: also the other side of the of the of the sea,

694
00:46:57,239 --> 00:47:01,239
Speaker 4: you have a sonora that also beautify for places. We

695
00:47:01,360 --> 00:47:05,560
Speaker 4: have to have better security all around because there are

696
00:47:06,160 --> 00:47:09,840
Speaker 4: these problems. I tell to some people of the US government,

697
00:47:10,400 --> 00:47:12,880
Speaker 4: you stay with the with the drug and the money,

698
00:47:12,960 --> 00:47:16,440
Speaker 4: and were staying with the arms and the bayous. We

699
00:47:16,520 --> 00:47:18,880
Speaker 4: need to put order there in the two sides now

700
00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:23,080
Speaker 4: not so much heart coming here and not too drugs

701
00:47:23,120 --> 00:47:24,200
Speaker 4: going there.

702
00:47:23,640 --> 00:47:27,560
Speaker 3: You have so many interests, it's just yourself fascinating. Your

703
00:47:27,640 --> 00:47:32,440
Speaker 3: business are baseball. But my question do you still I

704
00:47:32,480 --> 00:47:36,000
Speaker 3: know you have had an investment in the New York Times.

705
00:47:36,200 --> 00:47:38,320
Speaker 3: Are you still an investor in the New York Times?

706
00:47:38,640 --> 00:47:38,719
Speaker 7: No?

707
00:47:39,400 --> 00:47:42,399
Speaker 4: No, We we get involved to support New York Times.

708
00:47:42,440 --> 00:47:45,879
Speaker 4: To remember they have a big problem, yes, and they

709
00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:50,080
Speaker 4: are not having a financing, but we get financing. We

710
00:47:50,200 --> 00:47:55,200
Speaker 4: have some convertibles, but it's completely a financial issue. We

711
00:47:55,239 --> 00:47:57,960
Speaker 4: don't want to be in the in the world. We

712
00:47:58,040 --> 00:48:02,640
Speaker 4: don't want to be giving opinions. We don't get We

713
00:48:02,680 --> 00:48:05,320
Speaker 4: are in business and we don't want to get involved

714
00:48:05,360 --> 00:48:09,879
Speaker 4: in media. Accepting like investments. We already make a big

715
00:48:09,920 --> 00:48:14,959
Speaker 4: invevement on those times in you not by the one

716
00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:18,360
Speaker 4: of Spain, the newspaper of Spain Spain. Yeah, we have

717
00:48:18,800 --> 00:48:25,040
Speaker 4: involvements there, but nothing to be in the media politically.

718
00:48:25,640 --> 00:48:27,240
Speaker 4: We don't want to be in media.

719
00:48:27,719 --> 00:48:31,799
Speaker 1: Charlos, how would you describe your your leadership style with

720
00:48:31,960 --> 00:48:35,640
Speaker 1: everything that's going on, what is your style of leadership?

721
00:48:35,920 --> 00:48:40,440
Speaker 4: Well, I have people in charge and I have the fortune.

722
00:48:40,960 --> 00:48:44,920
Speaker 4: It was a big fortune that my sons like like

723
00:48:44,960 --> 00:48:48,560
Speaker 4: to work in business, like to be in business with

724
00:48:48,680 --> 00:48:52,400
Speaker 4: the principle and values that we are. Also, my sony

725
00:48:52,480 --> 00:48:58,680
Speaker 4: laws are involved. Now, my grandchildren are getting involved. Actually

726
00:48:58,680 --> 00:49:03,080
Speaker 4: there are already two grands beginning to get involved and

727
00:49:03,200 --> 00:49:07,200
Speaker 4: with a lot of responsibility. And well, I think that

728
00:49:07,200 --> 00:49:08,120
Speaker 4: that's very important.

729
00:49:08,280 --> 00:49:13,200
Speaker 1: Everybody should know that it's twenty one grandchildren and amazing

730
00:49:13,640 --> 00:49:17,880
Speaker 1: twenty three now, an amazing family. They are so close.

731
00:49:18,080 --> 00:49:21,880
Speaker 1: And I went to Carlos's birthday party a few months ago.

732
00:49:22,520 --> 00:49:24,839
Speaker 1: They had a big party at the museum for him.

733
00:49:25,200 --> 00:49:29,560
Speaker 1: And the love with that family and all those grandchildren,

734
00:49:29,920 --> 00:49:32,400
Speaker 1: I mean, you have to be the proudest man on

735
00:49:32,480 --> 00:49:35,879
Speaker 1: earth because it's so evident how much love they have

736
00:49:35,960 --> 00:49:38,000
Speaker 1: for you. The kind of family life you have.

737
00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:41,880
Speaker 4: Carlos, family is the first thing, and I have the

738
00:49:41,960 --> 00:49:45,280
Speaker 4: fortune to have the love of them and that each

739
00:49:45,400 --> 00:49:48,600
Speaker 4: love is that everyone love each other. That's right, that's

740
00:49:48,680 --> 00:49:51,880
Speaker 4: very because you love each other. And now we have

741
00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:56,279
Speaker 4: a new member of the family called I am grand grandfather.

742
00:49:57,680 --> 00:50:01,719
Speaker 4: I have a girl three months old and everyone looks.

743
00:50:02,160 --> 00:50:05,960
Speaker 1: That's right. We were talking about that when she was

744
00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:08,520
Speaker 1: about to come into the world a few months ago.

745
00:50:08,600 --> 00:50:13,040
Speaker 1: Congratulations again. But what a family, Carlos. To see that

746
00:50:13,239 --> 00:50:16,160
Speaker 1: is just heartwarming, heartwarming.

747
00:50:15,840 --> 00:50:19,960
Speaker 4: Thank you, thank you for the very It's the best

748
00:50:20,040 --> 00:50:22,759
Speaker 4: bit I mean, you can have, without doubt, the low

749
00:50:23,080 --> 00:50:27,960
Speaker 4: family and the love between remembers each other. Actually, also

750
00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:32,880
Speaker 4: there is a very good relation with the other family,

751
00:50:33,520 --> 00:50:37,200
Speaker 4: my brother's owns, my brother children, they have also a

752
00:50:37,320 --> 00:50:41,280
Speaker 4: very good relation with them. Is a big family loving

753
00:50:41,280 --> 00:50:41,680
Speaker 4: each other.

754
00:50:41,800 --> 00:50:44,560
Speaker 5: Can see that, Yeah, no, wonderful, that's.

755
00:50:44,280 --> 00:50:47,640
Speaker 4: That's so great without jellous without them, buy that's right.

756
00:50:47,719 --> 00:50:50,280
Speaker 4: With a nice communication rare.

757
00:50:50,080 --> 00:50:54,759
Speaker 1: In today's world, Carlos, Carlos, there's any specific goals that

758
00:50:54,840 --> 00:50:56,840
Speaker 1: you have right now at this point in your life,

759
00:50:57,080 --> 00:51:02,520
Speaker 1: any projects, goals, projects that are are important in this environment.

760
00:51:02,719 --> 00:51:08,680
Speaker 4: Well, we want to to increase the activities of the foundation.

761
00:51:10,160 --> 00:51:12,560
Speaker 4: We need to do more, We need to do that

762
00:51:12,640 --> 00:51:16,200
Speaker 4: mainly in Mexico. We want to work harder in the foundation,

763
00:51:17,160 --> 00:51:25,120
Speaker 4: especially health, education and civil rights. But also we are

764
00:51:25,120 --> 00:51:31,920
Speaker 4: getting involved in a new activity. We're working in in gas,

765
00:51:32,880 --> 00:51:38,880
Speaker 4: in gas production of gas and energy. We are doing

766
00:51:39,719 --> 00:51:45,080
Speaker 4: her themical energy erthermical that means that we take it

767
00:51:45,120 --> 00:51:54,719
Speaker 4: from from steam underground hertermical and we're producing also gas

768
00:51:55,040 --> 00:51:58,160
Speaker 4: and we are looking in the way to make some oil.

769
00:51:58,920 --> 00:52:04,360
Speaker 4: We think that guys will be a great substitude for

770
00:52:04,480 --> 00:52:08,719
Speaker 4: the plans of energy and we are working on that.

771
00:52:11,320 --> 00:52:16,319
Speaker 4: But also we have obviously we are working strongly to

772
00:52:16,360 --> 00:52:21,560
Speaker 4: increase the activities of the bank. We have grown important

773
00:52:21,560 --> 00:52:24,959
Speaker 4: way the last two years. Especially it's a good bank,

774
00:52:25,000 --> 00:52:29,279
Speaker 4: a big bank, but it's getting stronger and higher. And

775
00:52:29,920 --> 00:52:34,680
Speaker 4: we are also working stronger in the telecommunication business. And

776
00:52:34,760 --> 00:52:40,040
Speaker 4: thetel communication business we have like twenty four countries and

777
00:52:40,120 --> 00:52:43,400
Speaker 4: we are working hard to have a better service and

778
00:52:43,480 --> 00:52:46,719
Speaker 4: to go very advanced in the technology we give them.

779
00:52:46,880 --> 00:52:50,640
Speaker 4: We gave et cetera, et cetera. And we are also

780
00:52:50,920 --> 00:52:54,920
Speaker 4: in other in other business like real estate. We have

781
00:52:55,000 --> 00:52:59,920
Speaker 4: a company working in the environment very strongly in the environment,

782
00:53:00,560 --> 00:53:09,120
Speaker 4: that is recollection, recycling and incineration of the garbage and

783
00:53:09,160 --> 00:53:12,480
Speaker 4: we have operations in US. We are also in management,

784
00:53:12,520 --> 00:53:17,759
Speaker 4: water and construction. In construction, we have two companies, one

785
00:53:17,800 --> 00:53:21,000
Speaker 4: in Spain and one in Mexico that have a big

786
00:53:21,640 --> 00:53:23,400
Speaker 4: work in construction.

787
00:53:23,960 --> 00:53:27,520
Speaker 1: We didn't talk about Russia, and I was just wondering

788
00:53:27,680 --> 00:53:30,040
Speaker 1: what you're feeling is as to where that's all going

789
00:53:30,120 --> 00:53:31,400
Speaker 1: to work out with Russia.

790
00:53:31,840 --> 00:53:36,920
Speaker 4: Well, I think Russia is a very important country with

791
00:53:37,040 --> 00:53:41,720
Speaker 4: a lot of resources. I think that the problem of Russia,

792
00:53:42,560 --> 00:53:45,680
Speaker 4: that maybe it will be changed, is that they still

793
00:53:45,719 --> 00:53:50,600
Speaker 4: have agricultural mentality. We were talking about the agricultural society,

794
00:53:51,320 --> 00:53:56,000
Speaker 4: industral society, and the technological society. If you look the Chinese,

795
00:53:56,440 --> 00:54:01,360
Speaker 4: the Chinese fly away from the primitive agreeful out of

796
00:54:01,440 --> 00:54:06,200
Speaker 4: consumption and rural to a very advanced technological country and industrial,

797
00:54:07,120 --> 00:54:12,920
Speaker 4: modern industrial county. And Russia is still there, still thinking

798
00:54:12,960 --> 00:54:18,360
Speaker 4: in the oil and gas and looking for bigger territory

799
00:54:19,120 --> 00:54:24,040
Speaker 4: in the industrial society. Nobody thinks to increase the territory. Actually,

800
00:54:24,200 --> 00:54:28,319
Speaker 4: US that took so much territory from Mexico finish in

801
00:54:28,320 --> 00:54:31,160
Speaker 4: the nineteenth century. We need to assay agree to society.

802
00:54:31,960 --> 00:54:37,200
Speaker 4: But now nobody in the world, I look, excepting Russia,

803
00:54:37,360 --> 00:54:40,759
Speaker 4: one to increase the territory. But you are looking to

804
00:54:40,840 --> 00:54:44,320
Speaker 4: do is to increase your market, to increase your economy,

805
00:54:44,400 --> 00:54:48,359
Speaker 4: to increase your technology, to increase to make that your

806
00:54:48,400 --> 00:54:52,719
Speaker 4: population get out of poverty. Because poverty is not only

807
00:54:52,880 --> 00:54:57,239
Speaker 4: a problem of social justice and ethics, is a economic needs.

808
00:54:57,280 --> 00:55:00,600
Speaker 4: You need to have people out of poverty for part

809
00:55:00,680 --> 00:55:03,120
Speaker 4: of the economy, to for part of the market, to

810
00:55:04,120 --> 00:55:10,840
Speaker 4: be part of the education and employment, et cetera. But

811
00:55:11,040 --> 00:55:17,400
Speaker 4: in Russia they maintained strong oil and primary products, primary

812
00:55:17,719 --> 00:55:24,040
Speaker 4: basic problems, army, war and looking for territory. That's the

813
00:55:24,200 --> 00:55:28,240
Speaker 4: old issue. That's not the way to develop a country.

814
00:55:28,840 --> 00:55:32,640
Speaker 4: I think Russia has very smart people. Actually, the Russians

815
00:55:32,680 --> 00:55:37,279
Speaker 4: that have gone out of Russia are developing technology. Many

816
00:55:37,360 --> 00:55:42,040
Speaker 4: things of technology are developed by by Russians outside. You

817
00:55:42,239 --> 00:55:45,080
Speaker 4: remember that in the types of communies maybe fifty years ago,

818
00:55:45,200 --> 00:55:47,960
Speaker 4: we talk about the Russians that were very good for

819
00:55:48,200 --> 00:55:52,040
Speaker 4: mathematics and science and all this. Well, we need I

820
00:55:52,120 --> 00:55:54,560
Speaker 4: think it's the change that we need to have. I

821
00:55:54,680 --> 00:55:58,600
Speaker 4: think actually, maybe put in now that he's friend of

822
00:56:00,040 --> 00:56:02,920
Speaker 4: the President of China, Tea should explain the President of

823
00:56:03,040 --> 00:56:07,960
Speaker 4: China how technology is important, how is not territory. Important

824
00:56:08,040 --> 00:56:11,840
Speaker 4: and importance is to have growing an economy, to have

825
00:56:12,000 --> 00:56:16,440
Speaker 4: a better income to people. I think Rugia need to

826
00:56:16,520 --> 00:56:17,400
Speaker 4: make these changes.

827
00:56:17,960 --> 00:56:20,160
Speaker 3: Well, we've taken so much of your time. I can't

828
00:56:20,400 --> 00:56:23,480
Speaker 3: get over how generous you've been with your time with

829
00:56:23,640 --> 00:56:25,600
Speaker 3: us and how much we appreciate and know you. And

830
00:56:25,680 --> 00:56:29,240
Speaker 3: I could have an argument. Who's a better friend to Paul?

831
00:56:29,440 --> 00:56:33,040
Speaker 3: He he's my very dear friend. But he loves you

832
00:56:33,200 --> 00:56:36,360
Speaker 3: so much. The way he talks about you is is

833
00:56:36,560 --> 00:56:39,560
Speaker 3: very endearing. Is he He just cares about you and

834
00:56:39,640 --> 00:56:41,720
Speaker 3: loves you so much. He loves the time he spends

835
00:56:41,760 --> 00:56:44,680
Speaker 3: with you. I know that it means so much to him.

836
00:56:45,239 --> 00:56:51,600
Speaker 4: One of my my concern is that my best friends

837
00:56:51,840 --> 00:57:03,520
Speaker 4: live outside Mexico. My might have even my my brother Paul.

838
00:57:04,320 --> 00:57:11,800
Speaker 4: I have also a very great friendship with with Aker.

839
00:57:12,000 --> 00:57:15,560
Speaker 4: You know, with Aker that was in charge of AT

840
00:57:15,640 --> 00:57:18,640
Speaker 4: and T and then from General Motor. But it was

841
00:57:18,680 --> 00:57:23,400
Speaker 4: in Bad Jake. It's zero Bay in Spain. It isn't

842
00:57:23,440 --> 00:57:27,200
Speaker 4: great because you don't we see every two months, every

843
00:57:27,400 --> 00:57:31,080
Speaker 4: I don't know how long. But thank you for the conversation.

844
00:57:32,280 --> 00:57:38,120
Speaker 4: It was for me very interesting to talk about so

845
00:57:38,240 --> 00:57:41,840
Speaker 4: many things. Thank you, Thank you Chris, we thank you

846
00:57:42,000 --> 00:57:44,640
Speaker 4: so much. You know I love you and for you

847
00:57:44,760 --> 00:57:48,080
Speaker 4: to do this for me, I only know that people

848
00:57:48,160 --> 00:57:51,200
Speaker 4: are going to learn so much about things that they

849
00:57:51,280 --> 00:57:55,360
Speaker 4: were privy to reach the vast majority. So from Skip

850
00:57:55,440 --> 00:57:57,560
Speaker 4: and I, we thank you so much and I'll hope

851
00:57:57,600 --> 00:57:58,400
Speaker 4: to see you very soon.

852
00:57:58,520 --> 00:57:59,160
Speaker 1: My brother.

853
00:58:01,120 --> 00:58:03,920
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854
00:58:10,800 --> 00:58:13,560
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