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Speaker 1: The Eminem situation. I stood ten toes down with that.

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Speaker 1: We was the Sauce magazine. We were supposed to show

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Speaker 2: In their press release, Benzeno and Me announced they would

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Speaker 1: We didn't say that what's on his tape?

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Speaker 3: The tape that three white kids from Detroit walked into

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Speaker 3: Dave's office brought and said, listen, this is the real

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Speaker 1: We got to make this the same way that you

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Speaker 1: guys have treated Mike Tyson.

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Speaker 3: You guys are treating Kobe Bryant, you guys have treated.

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Speaker 1: R Kelly O. J. Simpson. Can we can hear the

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Speaker 1: music now? We didn't go look on for that tape.

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Speaker 1: The white boys popped up in the Sauce office trying

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Speaker 1: to get fifty bands. I gave him fifteen. They said

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Speaker 1: he made the tape at twenty one years old. They

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Speaker 1: told us everything.

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Speaker 4: I heard you once. I heard you say that you

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Speaker 1: Don't think it was close. At my height back then

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Speaker 1: I don't think. I don't think. So how much money

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Speaker 1: I mean I was spending. If you look at Jay

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Speaker 1: go from that. They wasn't spending millions of dollars. They

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Speaker 1: wasn't doing They didn't have money like that. They'll tell

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Speaker 5: I'm just saying no, no, they didn't have it. They

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Speaker 1: The show, right. But I was still involved day one,

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Speaker 1: like I was when I met Dave. It was we

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Speaker 1: Dave had a radio station at Harvard, and we ended

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Speaker 1: we never had a radio station in Boston, so college

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Speaker 1: radio was the station. Harved gave him two hours every

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Speaker 1: Saturday called street Beat. We went up there and we'd

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Speaker 1: of course, she yead, Oh, yeah, that's Dave came an

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Speaker 1: And then that's where it got made from one piece

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Speaker 1: one piece piece of paper, it was a newsletter. Cara

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Speaker 1: So he started with them, and they started a little

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Speaker 6: I'm talking about your first actual the cover of the.

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Speaker 1: But it wasn't no money thing. Me and Dave was

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Speaker 1: Dave since eighty seven, and man, we've been through eighteen

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Speaker 1: But it was you know, it was it was so

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Speaker 1: I'm saying, what was the era that made it profitable?

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Speaker 1: Win that was until nineteen ninety. Like I didn't get

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Speaker 1: and I was a hand to hand combat all my life.

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Speaker 1: But so you so, so from eighty nine to ninety four,

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Speaker 1: So ninety four was when he put now mind you.

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Speaker 1: Up until then we had got signed to Tommy Boy.

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Speaker 1: they'd be gunning down like it was a sport to

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Speaker 1: So you know, we made a soft call win the

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Speaker 1: White's in the back of that. No gun on either

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Speaker 1: one of these guys. Wow, young kids. So we made

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Speaker 1: what happened to the First Amendment? They soon we got sued.

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Speaker 1: We got sued. Oliver North came in because Cop came out.

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Speaker 1: Ice Team made life. It was a lot of people

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Speaker 1: don't know that me and nice Tea had a little

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Speaker 1: situation years ago. Man like, So when Cop came out,

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Speaker 1: Tommy Boy was an independent label. Warner Brothers had just

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Speaker 4: But I want to see Drake and Kendrick. I don't

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Speaker 1: that thing. Drake came up different. Jake was will chair,

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Speaker 1: But the battle rap is danger, battle rappers is battle

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Speaker 1: was bigger than that. Then went up there and Kendrick

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00:21:27,160 --> 00:21:30,520
Speaker 1: brought everybody and Kendrick was rocking Tupac. When Pop came

429
00:21:30,560 --> 00:21:34,840
Speaker 1: to my awards show, I spoke to when Pop did that.

430
00:21:35,080 --> 00:21:37,280
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. It's funny that we could

431
00:21:37,280 --> 00:21:41,560
Speaker 1: segue because when Pop did that at the ninety four

432
00:21:41,680 --> 00:21:44,440
Speaker 1: Sauce Awards, and he grabbed the mic first of all,

433
00:21:44,960 --> 00:21:46,600
Speaker 1: when I told the story, I thought he grabbed the

434
00:21:46,640 --> 00:21:49,480
Speaker 1: mic from q Tip, and q Tip me and q

435
00:21:49,600 --> 00:21:52,080
Speaker 1: Tip finally had a conversation on the phone. He reached

436
00:21:52,080 --> 00:21:54,880
Speaker 1: out to me and he said he wanted to tell

437
00:21:54,920 --> 00:21:56,879
Speaker 1: me what happened. I respect him so much for that,

438
00:21:57,480 --> 00:21:59,520
Speaker 1: and I was I was so grateful to have that

439
00:21:59,520 --> 00:22:03,760
Speaker 1: conversation because Q Tip's a legend, and you know, he's

440
00:22:03,760 --> 00:22:07,040
Speaker 1: not a hip hop hip Hop has so many different

441
00:22:07,080 --> 00:22:12,280
Speaker 1: genres that you know, Q Tip didn't come up from gangster,

442
00:22:12,480 --> 00:22:16,119
Speaker 1: hip hop and street. Then he came up from making music,

443
00:22:16,200 --> 00:22:19,359
Speaker 1: most of it jazz influenced, and we loved it. And

444
00:22:19,400 --> 00:22:24,840
Speaker 1: his voice was was different and unique and his style

445
00:22:24,960 --> 00:22:28,080
Speaker 1: was unique. And rest in peace to Fife resting peace

446
00:22:28,119 --> 00:22:31,720
Speaker 1: to Chris Lidie because you know, tribe called Quest is

447
00:22:31,720 --> 00:22:34,760
Speaker 1: a legendary group. And he said that night that Park

448
00:22:34,880 --> 00:22:38,040
Speaker 1: never snatched it from him. Number one, he said he

449
00:22:38,040 --> 00:22:39,960
Speaker 1: snatched it from there. It was in front of the podium,

450
00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:42,880
Speaker 1: so we took it off the podium. He also said

451
00:22:42,920 --> 00:22:45,600
Speaker 1: that after that, you know what I'm saying, that there

452
00:22:45,640 --> 00:22:47,840
Speaker 1: was a bunch of his guys that want to, you

453
00:22:47,840 --> 00:22:50,000
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, I guess, you know, have a

454
00:22:50,040 --> 00:22:52,399
Speaker 1: conversation with Pac. And I think he mentioned that they

455
00:22:52,440 --> 00:22:55,000
Speaker 1: had some type of conversation. He just wanted to be

456
00:22:55,080 --> 00:22:57,560
Speaker 1: known that he just didn't go out like that. So

457
00:22:57,600 --> 00:23:00,439
Speaker 1: what was the story? Jo? I mean, because you know

458
00:23:00,440 --> 00:23:02,639
Speaker 1: when when Tupac grabbed it, I thought he grabbed it

459
00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:04,760
Speaker 1: from him and did out on Bill because he had

460
00:23:04,760 --> 00:23:08,280
Speaker 1: won the award and the pot wasn't supposed to be performing.

461
00:23:08,320 --> 00:23:10,320
Speaker 1: Nobody knew he was gonna perform. He just went up

462
00:23:10,280 --> 00:23:12,040
Speaker 1: there with the outlaws and just grabbed the mic and

463
00:23:12,119 --> 00:23:15,200
Speaker 1: did out on Bill. And when I seen it, did

464
00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:18,920
Speaker 1: they have music playing on? Did it a combat? I

465
00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:23,480
Speaker 1: held it the sound man hostage. I've done that, you

466
00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:24,920
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying? Yeah, you know what I mean.

467
00:23:24,960 --> 00:23:27,879
Speaker 1: So it was real like I but but it was

468
00:23:27,920 --> 00:23:30,800
Speaker 1: one of the dopest performances to this day I've ever seen.

469
00:23:30,840 --> 00:23:33,359
Speaker 1: But q Tib didn't take that lightly Like, No, he

470
00:23:33,359 --> 00:23:35,119
Speaker 1: didn't snatch it from He didn't snatch it from me.

471
00:23:35,200 --> 00:23:37,040
Speaker 1: Yeah he did it. Who did he snatch it from?

472
00:23:37,160 --> 00:23:39,439
Speaker 1: He took it because there was in front of a podium. Okay,

473
00:23:39,640 --> 00:23:42,280
Speaker 1: so he took off the podium. Nick got ward he

474
00:23:42,359 --> 00:23:45,600
Speaker 1: was saying his acceptance speech. But I remember when it

475
00:23:45,680 --> 00:23:48,040
Speaker 1: came back. I do remember one of them crying and

476
00:23:48,040 --> 00:23:52,200
Speaker 1: they was upset. It wasn't q Tip and it wasn't Fife,

477
00:23:52,440 --> 00:23:54,399
Speaker 1: it was the other one. He was a little upset

478
00:23:54,720 --> 00:23:55,920
Speaker 1: and he was a little you know what I'm saying.

479
00:23:56,560 --> 00:23:59,520
Speaker 1: And uh, and it was just it was just a

480
00:23:59,560 --> 00:24:01,919
Speaker 1: crazy moment. But you know what I'm saying. When I've

481
00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:04,600
Speaker 1: seen Kendrick wearing what Pop had on, he just did

482
00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:07,320
Speaker 1: everything right, man, And you got to salute it and

483
00:24:07,320 --> 00:24:10,800
Speaker 1: and and I saluted And that's what hip hop is like.

484
00:24:11,760 --> 00:24:14,119
Speaker 1: People don't realize hip hop is like.

485
00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:16,520
Speaker 5: When when we used to get brought parties, hip hop

486
00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:19,320
Speaker 5: was just outside with the worst the street.

487
00:24:19,359 --> 00:24:22,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was in a battle. See in the context

488
00:24:22,640 --> 00:24:23,960
Speaker 1: of a battle when you.

489
00:24:24,080 --> 00:24:26,480
Speaker 4: Pull up there, he got the new Hope King on

490
00:24:26,560 --> 00:24:29,360
Speaker 4: the shirt like it's it's surrounding the Drake battle.

491
00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:32,440
Speaker 1: So to have all these come out, that's exactly how

492
00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:34,560
Speaker 1: he was supposed to do it. I would have did it,

493
00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:37,640
Speaker 1: and anybody else would I wouldn't have done it. Oh no, no, no,

494
00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:40,160
Speaker 1: that was a show of force that man, that that's

495
00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:42,879
Speaker 1: gonna go that that moment is gonna go down to history.

496
00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:45,720
Speaker 1: And it was a great moment. It was a great moment.

497
00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:47,760
Speaker 1: And I want to clear be clear with that too,

498
00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:48,560
Speaker 1: because I don't want.

499
00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:50,480
Speaker 4: People to think I don't know with Kendrick or what's

500
00:24:50,520 --> 00:24:53,919
Speaker 4: going on. So I definitely with Kendrick, I definitely can

501
00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:57,480
Speaker 4: appreciate all those different hoods being on their stage, but

502
00:24:57,520 --> 00:24:59,480
Speaker 4: I know it's fake when they get off their stage,

503
00:24:59,560 --> 00:25:00,679
Speaker 4: them hood still at it.

504
00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:03,560
Speaker 1: I steal a lot going oh but at one moment,

505
00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:06,720
Speaker 1: but listen, you rap in this industry now use the

506
00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:10,520
Speaker 1: streets too long for these pictures, and this is going on.

507
00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:13,840
Speaker 1: So I'm saying, and I done. I gotta go visit

508
00:25:13,880 --> 00:25:17,000
Speaker 1: the burn sites. Man, do you sending flames in the street?

509
00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:21,520
Speaker 1: And I gotta go talk to the mothers. I'm grassroots.

510
00:25:21,880 --> 00:25:24,760
Speaker 1: So when I see a bunch of gang banging, I'm

511
00:25:24,800 --> 00:25:27,000
Speaker 1: starting to beat. As I get older, I'm starting to

512
00:25:27,040 --> 00:25:30,080
Speaker 1: push back on it. This is rap eat. No matter

513
00:25:30,119 --> 00:25:32,920
Speaker 1: how bad Deontay Wilder getting his ass beat in the ring,

514
00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:36,040
Speaker 1: his coach and everybody else got to stay on the outside.

515
00:25:36,359 --> 00:25:39,080
Speaker 1: So I'm saying, these two men are having about these

516
00:25:39,080 --> 00:25:42,200
Speaker 1: two men are having a boxing match. I don't understand why.

517
00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:44,720
Speaker 1: So that's not what hip hop is. Hip hop is

518
00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:48,320
Speaker 1: about battling. And then after you representing, they gonna stand

519
00:25:48,359 --> 00:25:50,440
Speaker 1: by you, and and and and and and it needs

520
00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:52,040
Speaker 1: to be in the middle of the bat and it

521
00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:54,040
Speaker 1: needs to be seen the middle of the beginning there.

522
00:25:54,160 --> 00:25:56,239
Speaker 1: And you know, I'm all for it. That was an

523
00:25:56,280 --> 00:25:59,600
Speaker 1: amazing move. See sometimes you just make great moves. That

524
00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:00,320
Speaker 1: was a waiting.

525
00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:03,840
Speaker 5: Everything that Kendrick has done thus far, he has done

526
00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:06,280
Speaker 5: damn it like perfect.

527
00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:11,480
Speaker 1: I agree with you any more like dropping dropping all

528
00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:14,919
Speaker 1: those joints in a barrage and in the order of

529
00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:20,960
Speaker 1: him dropping it flawed and then him going up there flawless.

530
00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:23,680
Speaker 1: I think it was too aggressive. I think too many

531
00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:26,960
Speaker 1: people it was too aggressive. No fighting to be a

532
00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:30,760
Speaker 1: I think it was great for West Coast. I think

533
00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:32,600
Speaker 1: it was great for Kendrick his career.

534
00:26:33,040 --> 00:26:36,240
Speaker 4: But to wrap the drakes around it and then this

535
00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:38,239
Speaker 4: be what I'm listening posed to.

536
00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:41,280
Speaker 1: He was supposed to. That was his, that was his,

537
00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:45,320
Speaker 1: that was his grounds, that's his stomping ground. He was

538
00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:48,800
Speaker 1: supposed to. Yeah, and I know I know for a

539
00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:52,880
Speaker 1: fact for that moment, because man, a lot of us. Man, man,

540
00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:55,480
Speaker 1: you know it's hard, you know, but we have to

541
00:26:55,520 --> 00:26:57,600
Speaker 1: live for these moments, you know what I'm saying, because

542
00:26:57,880 --> 00:27:00,560
Speaker 1: they come far and few, and we where we can

543
00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:03,439
Speaker 1: get moments to unify, and we can get get moments.

544
00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:06,080
Speaker 1: You know, the last time LA unified, it was at

545
00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:09,560
Speaker 1: Nipsey's funeral. So look at that somber moment. You know,

546
00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:12,359
Speaker 1: this was way doper and it was this gang members

547
00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:14,520
Speaker 1: and everybody there too, you know what I'm saying. So

548
00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:18,679
Speaker 1: it's about moments, and listen, I come from this like

549
00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:22,080
Speaker 1: I literally come from this. I am the truth, truth, Truth.

550
00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:24,040
Speaker 1: So my thing is.

551
00:27:24,359 --> 00:27:27,359
Speaker 4: I'm with these children down here in the ghetto, man,

552
00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:30,439
Speaker 4: and I'm seeing what these flags is doing. And again,

553
00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:34,680
Speaker 4: the West Coast is different because they all rooted in it.

554
00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:37,960
Speaker 1: They can't run from it, right, you rooted in landfather

555
00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:41,359
Speaker 1: was in it. Yeah, yeah, I'm saying so they rooted

556
00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:45,080
Speaker 1: in in a totally different way. But you know from

557
00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:48,639
Speaker 1: a battle perspective. Now, No, you keep saying battle, battle,

558
00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:50,280
Speaker 1: and I've come from the beginning of hip hop. That's

559
00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:53,359
Speaker 1: what battle is. We used to get battle. That is

560
00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:55,480
Speaker 1: exactly what battle rap is. Tell me how I'm when

561
00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:58,160
Speaker 1: smack them do a battle? Tell me how is it too?

562
00:27:58,240 --> 00:28:01,360
Speaker 1: I don't get them for SMA, way before smack, of course,

563
00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:04,520
Speaker 1: way before smacks. The official the original battles was you

564
00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:07,080
Speaker 1: would go in your part, you'd give block parties and

565
00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:09,280
Speaker 1: you would bring out your systems and your part of

566
00:28:09,359 --> 00:28:12,320
Speaker 1: the neighborhoods and you would be rocking about and you'd

567
00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:14,280
Speaker 1: be talking about them and you'd be you know what

568
00:28:14,280 --> 00:28:16,639
Speaker 1: I'm saying, that they would give something over where there

569
00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:19,879
Speaker 1: was and they'd have their blocks come out, you'd have yours.

570
00:28:20,119 --> 00:28:22,000
Speaker 1: That's what it was. You know what I'm saying.

571
00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:25,080
Speaker 5: From west Side, the one that got the mic right,

572
00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:26,520
Speaker 5: and one person had the mic.

573
00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:29,480
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, one person had the mic.

574
00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:32,199
Speaker 1: That was the show of support and that's been a

575
00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:35,280
Speaker 1: part of battle wrapping since day one. When you talk

576
00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:39,040
Speaker 1: about smacking them, that's smacking them and they're performing everybody's

577
00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:41,960
Speaker 1: that's a difference. You ac smack got a battle round.

578
00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:46,800
Speaker 1: That's a different exist. Okay, I'm trying to original appointed

579
00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:49,000
Speaker 1: that's not yeah, but that's not the that's not the

580
00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:51,480
Speaker 1: original of what but it more around it all and

581
00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:54,840
Speaker 1: we at this ain't all. That's not more off. That's

582
00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:58,600
Speaker 1: just a that's just a side. That's something that's over

583
00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:00,680
Speaker 1: that's that's over there with that the you don't think

584
00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:04,080
Speaker 1: smack is battle rap today, that's where the battle rap is. Smack.

585
00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:06,320
Speaker 5: Smack is a is a type of battle rap of

586
00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:08,640
Speaker 5: what battle rap? That is battle rights not no, no,

587
00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:10,920
Speaker 5: definitely isn't battle No, that's not what battle rap was.

588
00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:13,000
Speaker 1: That's that's a type of battle rap where people get

589
00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:15,320
Speaker 1: together and yell at each other and the OK. Fine,

590
00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:18,080
Speaker 1: But battle rap back in the day was, man, we

591
00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:20,440
Speaker 1: set up in our hoods and we got our block

592
00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:22,720
Speaker 1: behind us, and we wrapping. They chat for us, and

593
00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:24,360
Speaker 1: you're gonna set up and they chat for you and

594
00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:28,440
Speaker 1: y'all going at each other. It's smack changed. No no, no, no,

595
00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:28,960
Speaker 1: it didn't.

596
00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:32,320
Speaker 5: You're r L smacking and that hold on because Kendrick

597
00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:35,360
Speaker 5: just did something bigger than anything Smack's ever done.

598
00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:37,720
Speaker 1: Right, but more than that shows you that they didn't

599
00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:40,840
Speaker 1: change it. What Kendrick did was brought the essence of

600
00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:44,280
Speaker 1: what hip hop and battling is. He was in l A.

601
00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:48,640
Speaker 1: He brought everybody that supported him up. That's that's doubt him.

602
00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:51,040
Speaker 1: That's saying it's like he is like he couldn't the

603
00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:54,080
Speaker 1: match because to me, how's he Quinton match? He just won? Yeah?

604
00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:56,040
Speaker 1: That all what I'm saying is like he thinking that

605
00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:58,320
Speaker 1: the match is over because to meet over that's more

606
00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:00,880
Speaker 1: so so I don't think so you don't not on stage.

607
00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:03,000
Speaker 1: And that's the artist as big as Drake. And it's

608
00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:07,440
Speaker 1: what what Okay, mesk your question? What could Drake do

609
00:30:08,120 --> 00:30:10,520
Speaker 1: to top that? That's what I'm saying. I can't give

610
00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:13,280
Speaker 1: him that advice. I'm asking you. That's what I'm saying.

611
00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:16,480
Speaker 1: I can't hypothetically, no, no, no advice. What could he

612
00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:20,000
Speaker 1: do hypothetically the top that? I don't know, not Drake,

613
00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:23,800
Speaker 1: because I mean because Kendrick took care of his business,

614
00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:27,280
Speaker 1: so I ain't ar gonna get But I'm telling you,

615
00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:29,600
Speaker 1: I don't believe it's over. You don't go on stage

616
00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:32,880
Speaker 1: and do that. What else? What else could Drake do? Well,

617
00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:34,680
Speaker 1: he has a stage to go on as well. What

618
00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:38,920
Speaker 1: stage he's on? Tours lit with a bunch of chicks

619
00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:41,840
Speaker 1: and a bunch of things like, it's not gonna be

620
00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:45,200
Speaker 1: the same thing. It's not the same thing. You're right,

621
00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:47,920
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. And he's alienated, like he

622
00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:51,960
Speaker 1: don't really have a lot of Toronto, Canada. Kendrick bout Drake,

623
00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:55,800
Speaker 1: I mean dre up. He balled Jake, Drake of ground

624
00:30:55,840 --> 00:30:59,120
Speaker 1: history is one of the best to ever do it.

625
00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:01,640
Speaker 1: And nobody can ever take him away from that. Drake

626
00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:07,160
Speaker 1: is dope. Drake's songs are dope. But this particular situation

627
00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:10,640
Speaker 1: when it comes to this, this battle rap but rap

628
00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:13,680
Speaker 1: in the streets of America have been together since the

629
00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:16,480
Speaker 1: South Bronx day one. It comes from a struggling people

630
00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:20,760
Speaker 1: of the streets. That's what this is. And he got

631
00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:24,760
Speaker 1: over a long time dipping and dodging. You know, Pusher

632
00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:27,600
Speaker 1: went at him. That didn't turn out so bad, but

633
00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:30,960
Speaker 1: Kendrick went a lot further, and and and and and

634
00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:34,440
Speaker 1: and and can In Kendrick's mind, Kendrick is battling him

635
00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:38,440
Speaker 1: Pusher tried. You know, Pusha did with with what you're

636
00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:41,960
Speaker 1: talking about. You know what I'm saying lyrically, now, Kendrick

637
00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:46,280
Speaker 1: is like nah my Kendrick pushing the line. Kendrick like

638
00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:51,040
Speaker 1: bro hip hop is more than just lyrics and everything.

639
00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:53,920
Speaker 1: Hip hop is life you ro hop is the hood.

640
00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:56,520
Speaker 1: Hip hop is these people you know say I'm hip

641
00:31:56,560 --> 00:32:00,719
Speaker 1: hop not without all my people. See I'm near without

642
00:32:00,760 --> 00:32:03,440
Speaker 1: all my people with me. See That's what I'm saying.

643
00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:07,040
Speaker 1: When what I mean even without the people he dabbed

644
00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:09,120
Speaker 1: him and all the songs, So what else does he

645
00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:11,320
Speaker 1: have to do? He already did that. But again it

646
00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:13,520
Speaker 1: could be it could be him looking at it as

647
00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:16,160
Speaker 1: the matches over. This is the end.

648
00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:19,520
Speaker 5: If anything, Kendrick is ready for more. If anything, Kendrick

649
00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:21,960
Speaker 5: got ten more salt that is even gonna probably be worse.

650
00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:24,720
Speaker 1: Like what do you mean now? What you mean?

651
00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:29,080
Speaker 5: Like again, tend record is making you think that he

652
00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:31,680
Speaker 5: Kendrick destroyed Jake Drake at this.

653
00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:33,080
Speaker 1: I believe I'm with you on that.

654
00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:34,920
Speaker 5: So so what it could make you think that there's

655
00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:37,960
Speaker 5: nothing else because I think Drake.

656
00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:40,600
Speaker 1: Still has the ability to do a timestamp record. They're

657
00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:43,560
Speaker 1: still right. So if you know Drake, and if you

658
00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:46,320
Speaker 1: know Drake and you know his catalog, you get into

659
00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:50,040
Speaker 1: those times. Song what song can he come back against?

660
00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:54,840
Speaker 1: Kendrick right now? After Yeah, he's he's in a bad place.

661
00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:56,800
Speaker 1: It's over, bro, It's done.

662
00:32:57,520 --> 00:33:00,600
Speaker 4: Everybody, kid, You ain't the only person that saying over

663
00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:02,920
Speaker 4: two or three people and told me they believe this

664
00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:03,520
Speaker 4: to be it.

665
00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:05,720
Speaker 1: This is all I just see. I look at it, like,

666
00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:08,120
Speaker 1: what else could he do? Now? The only thing that

667
00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:10,720
Speaker 1: he might could do is if he did a whole

668
00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:13,800
Speaker 1: big thing in Toronto and had guys come up on

669
00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:18,120
Speaker 1: stage in Toronto. Maybe that No, that won't hit. Well,

670
00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:20,760
Speaker 1: that's it. Then it's over. That's it. It's dumb, see

671
00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:22,360
Speaker 1: because Kendrick does.

672
00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:24,680
Speaker 6: Have the culture with him when and that's.

673
00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:27,480
Speaker 1: What the That's what hip hop is long, it's the culture.

674
00:33:27,560 --> 00:33:28,719
Speaker 1: It's us, it's ours.

675
00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:32,520
Speaker 5: It's from the streets of America, not America, the corporate

676
00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:33,400
Speaker 5: not America.

677
00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:37,840
Speaker 1: The no, the streets where they stuck us in. You

678
00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:40,600
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, up conditions. They thought that we

679
00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:47,080
Speaker 1: was gonna just not then outcome this. Yeah so yeah, no, no, no, no,

680
00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:50,840
Speaker 1: that's what hip hop is because what when hip hop came.

681
00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:54,760
Speaker 1: Rap wasn't even rapid in nineteen seventy three with hip

682
00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:57,240
Speaker 1: hop was brought for a rapper wasn't even around. It

683
00:33:57,320 --> 00:34:00,000
Speaker 1: was d jaying and it was about m seeing Yes, yeah,

684
00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:01,960
Speaker 1: sure we in the building, y'all. Pup up out. Rap

685
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:04,720
Speaker 1: came a few years later. It all morphed and developed.

686
00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:08,879
Speaker 1: But hip hop came from the the the I mean,

687
00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:11,160
Speaker 1: the South Bronx was. If you go back and see

688
00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:13,279
Speaker 1: what the South Bronx looked like in seventy three, it

689
00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:15,279
Speaker 1: was one of the worst hords in the world, holds

690
00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:18,200
Speaker 1: in the world, never mind just America. Right, So that's

691
00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:20,440
Speaker 1: what hip hop came out of. Were gonna look at

692
00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:22,400
Speaker 1: hip hop that it just doesn't rap, you know what

693
00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:24,839
Speaker 1: I'm sah, it's bigger than that.

694
00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:28,719
Speaker 5: It's it's I'm just us saying like, yeah, America, but yeah,

695
00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:29,759
Speaker 5: you stuck it in.

696
00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:32,960
Speaker 1: Look at all the trillions it does that came out

697
00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:36,640
Speaker 1: of this from that the f see but see.

698
00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:38,760
Speaker 4: And then I think, like I said, I think Drake

699
00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:41,960
Speaker 4: has an opportunity to answer back Willie answer bag.

700
00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:45,799
Speaker 1: No looing, it's over man. So listen, Drake just needs

701
00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:48,640
Speaker 1: to keep making music for the for he has he

702
00:34:48,680 --> 00:34:51,440
Speaker 1: has a big fan base. Hip hop is a worldly

703
00:34:51,560 --> 00:34:54,120
Speaker 1: fan base. You know what I'm saying. There's a lot

704
00:34:54,160 --> 00:34:56,800
Speaker 1: of different demographics of hip hop and lanes of hip hop.

705
00:34:57,000 --> 00:34:59,440
Speaker 1: Drake just needs to keep doing him. Kendrick needs to

706
00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:01,880
Speaker 1: keep doing him. This was a moment in history, you

707
00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:04,439
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. And Kendrick won. It's all right,

708
00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:08,440
Speaker 1: It's okay, Kendrick can win. It's not the end of

709
00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:10,400
Speaker 1: the world. You know what I'm saying. You know what

710
00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:13,360
Speaker 1: I'm saying, Like, yeah, he's an American. You know what

711
00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:15,919
Speaker 1: I'm saying. Like when the Olympics, I'm gonna be chaired

712
00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:19,440
Speaker 1: for Chikari. I'm not gonna be chairing for nobody else.

713
00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:20,480
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.

714
00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:22,839
Speaker 5: When when when Kevin Drandon to play, I'm gonna be

715
00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:24,200
Speaker 5: chairing for Team USA.

716
00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:27,279
Speaker 1: Like with the and Kendrick done a good job.

717
00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:31,800
Speaker 4: It's separating, separating us from Drake in that way, making

718
00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:34,799
Speaker 4: us look at him more so, Like, Yo, you from

719
00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:37,040
Speaker 4: over there, you run down with baby to do this.

720
00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:38,640
Speaker 1: You go over to the truth, bro.

721
00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:42,160
Speaker 5: You just he just he just told definitely set over

722
00:35:42,239 --> 00:35:45,080
Speaker 5: dope beats, and he said it with some dope rhyme styles.

723
00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:48,680
Speaker 1: And that's what makes that's what makes him Kendrick right now,

724
00:35:48,719 --> 00:35:51,480
Speaker 1: salut to Kendrick. Lamar Man saluted Drake too. You know

725
00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:54,920
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, like both Staples and hip hop. You

726
00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:57,040
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, Like my kids love Drake. You

727
00:35:57,080 --> 00:35:59,520
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, my kids love Kendrick. There's enough

728
00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:02,000
Speaker 1: of it for everybody, and let's just move on because

729
00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:04,359
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, you know what, after La,

730
00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:07,560
Speaker 1: that's it. It's over. It's over there in the confidence.

731
00:36:07,640 --> 00:36:10,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, let's get back to the source magazine. How many

732
00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:13,880
Speaker 4: times did y'all deal with Tupac? I actually did a

733
00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:15,279
Speaker 4: song with Pop. You know what I'm saying, in the

734
00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:18,759
Speaker 4: studio with him for real? Yeah, they're called so on

735
00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:19,680
Speaker 4: it's on YouTube.

736
00:36:19,719 --> 00:36:22,239
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. What kind of individual was Pop?

737
00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:25,759
Speaker 1: Just Pop? From what I met, was just a real, real,

738
00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:31,680
Speaker 1: hyper intelligent leadership, like you could see leadership like you

739
00:36:31,719 --> 00:36:33,439
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. I don't. I don't. They don't

740
00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:36,080
Speaker 1: see too much, too much too much leadership, right and

741
00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:38,719
Speaker 1: the ones who do have leaders they just be disrespecting it.

742
00:36:39,239 --> 00:36:41,239
Speaker 1: I don't like that anyway. That's not leadership to me,

743
00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:46,040
Speaker 1: but real leadership when you respect you in a way

744
00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:49,040
Speaker 1: of trying to teach it. He was a teacher, always

745
00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:54,360
Speaker 1: trying to really wake people up from situations. From the

746
00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:56,759
Speaker 1: time I was with him, That's what I seen, you

747
00:36:56,760 --> 00:36:59,480
Speaker 1: know what I mean. Uh. As far as dealing with

748
00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:01,000
Speaker 1: him with the Soul, it's just at the ninety four

749
00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:04,279
Speaker 1: Source Awards when he made his impromptu performance, so he

750
00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:07,879
Speaker 1: never was in the magazine. And of course I'm saying

751
00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:12,040
Speaker 1: magazine everything else. Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, hell yeah. So

752
00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:15,720
Speaker 1: how many times you don't know? Twice? Okay, okay, twice

753
00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:18,560
Speaker 1: we did your extensive Yeah, like arms.

754
00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:22,719
Speaker 4: How did the unsigned Hype and the mic system work?

755
00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:26,920
Speaker 1: The Unsigned Hype was Maddie c was the responsible for that.

756
00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:30,160
Speaker 1: So Maddie would kind of, you know, scour at that

757
00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:32,399
Speaker 1: point New York City and then other people that would

758
00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:35,319
Speaker 1: be sending them tapes and he'd listen and he'd really listen.

759
00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:37,640
Speaker 1: Back then, those guys really says, I give them credit

760
00:37:37,719 --> 00:37:39,759
Speaker 1: because they really listened to your music and try to

761
00:37:40,080 --> 00:37:42,040
Speaker 1: you know what the guys do now that what do

762
00:37:42,080 --> 00:37:43,200
Speaker 1: you call them? On YouTube?

763
00:37:43,239 --> 00:37:46,200
Speaker 5: And they they was doing the source of the first

764
00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:48,000
Speaker 5: ones to do that, the Reactors.

765
00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:52,200
Speaker 1: It was the first one. See you know, Unsigned Hype

766
00:37:52,239 --> 00:37:54,680
Speaker 1: and the five Mics was just the staff. We would

767
00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:57,400
Speaker 1: always get the music from different labels and then they

768
00:37:57,400 --> 00:37:59,960
Speaker 1: would sit down and rate the music and that's how

769
00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:03,080
Speaker 1: we would you know, Rolling Stone had a mix, had

770
00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:05,759
Speaker 1: a rating system and that's who we got it from.

771
00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:08,799
Speaker 1: I didn't know that. Yeah, well Rolling Stone was the

772
00:38:08,840 --> 00:38:11,600
Speaker 1: first music magazine and they was there was the blueprint,

773
00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:14,040
Speaker 1: you know, that's what you I remember you just said

774
00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:18,200
Speaker 1: there was the blueprint. Wow, Yon Winner, Yon Winner, you know,

775
00:38:18,239 --> 00:38:20,279
Speaker 1: I think there was Dave's hero. Dave wanted to be

776
00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:23,040
Speaker 1: the Yon Winner of hip hop. He was. He was

777
00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:25,520
Speaker 1: the publisher for Rolling Stone in thew Yark. When I

778
00:38:25,560 --> 00:38:30,799
Speaker 1: look over your history, especially on YouTube, they they have

779
00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:34,120
Speaker 1: a lot of videos where it seems like you used

780
00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:40,359
Speaker 1: source to brand yourself. That's listen. Oprah Magazine Oprah, right,

781
00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:42,719
Speaker 1: she has a magazine called Oh. Guess Who's on the

782
00:38:42,719 --> 00:38:44,000
Speaker 1: cover of the magazine every month?

783
00:38:45,120 --> 00:38:48,560
Speaker 5: Oprah Russell Simmons did fat farm. Guess who was in

784
00:38:48,640 --> 00:38:52,160
Speaker 5: every ad modeling his sweaters?

785
00:38:52,520 --> 00:38:55,759
Speaker 1: Is Oprah? Is every cover of Oh, every cover of

786
00:38:55,760 --> 00:39:00,560
Speaker 1: all Oprah's on it, every single cover of Oh, Oprah's

787
00:39:00,560 --> 00:39:04,000
Speaker 1: on every cover. You know, what I'm saying on every

788
00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:06,760
Speaker 1: I didn't know that a lot of people don't mean. Listen,

789
00:39:06,920 --> 00:39:09,440
Speaker 1: you would be a fool not to market yourself if.

790
00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:12,600
Speaker 5: Your sweet spot, if you no, no, there isn't so

791
00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:14,160
Speaker 5: there's one hundred percent of sweet.

792
00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:17,680
Speaker 1: You would be a fool if you have something successful

793
00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:21,279
Speaker 1: and you don't market yourself. Yeah, but you lose your

794
00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:25,239
Speaker 1: You lose you. And we never did. And you gave

795
00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:27,960
Speaker 1: yourself that I have mics and people. We never did.

796
00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:31,000
Speaker 1: We never did. We know like we used to have.

797
00:39:31,160 --> 00:39:33,520
Speaker 1: We used to no, no, no, no, no no. Look

798
00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:37,080
Speaker 1: at ninety four people ninety four. What happened was they

799
00:39:37,160 --> 00:39:40,640
Speaker 1: put an article about the Source magazine in nineteen ninety

800
00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:43,680
Speaker 1: four about my RAP group. Also, we had we had

801
00:39:43,719 --> 00:39:46,919
Speaker 1: already had four We've been signed to RAP a lot,

802
00:39:47,160 --> 00:39:49,680
Speaker 1: We've been signed to all these different people. Easy was

803
00:39:49,719 --> 00:39:51,440
Speaker 1: going to give us a deal and he put an

804
00:39:51,520 --> 00:39:54,200
Speaker 1: article on us. The rest of the guy said it

805
00:39:54,320 --> 00:39:58,239
Speaker 1: was wrong because we didn't deserve it. Now, this is

806
00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:00,520
Speaker 1: my man. For all these years, I've been hold them down.

807
00:40:00,680 --> 00:40:03,279
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. My men and the rest

808
00:40:03,280 --> 00:40:05,080
Speaker 1: of the guys felt like we didn't deserve it because

809
00:40:05,080 --> 00:40:09,480
Speaker 1: we're from Boston. So they said that they'll walk out

810
00:40:09,520 --> 00:40:13,879
Speaker 1: if Dave doesn't step down. They all they fired all

811
00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:16,080
Speaker 1: of them, that his three partners brought them out and

812
00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:19,759
Speaker 1: made me fifty percent part and from nineteen ninety four on,

813
00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:23,279
Speaker 1: the Source made millions and millions of dollars.

814
00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:26,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, but no, but yes, no, I'm talking about when

815
00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:28,319
Speaker 4: I'm talking about after ninety four.

816
00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:30,239
Speaker 1: This is when you WA's when they walked out. That

817
00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:32,040
Speaker 1: was the walk That's when I was involved. That's when

818
00:40:32,040 --> 00:40:33,880
Speaker 1: they walked out. But I'm saying when I was looking

819
00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:36,200
Speaker 1: at it, I think they're looking at but you're looking

820
00:40:36,239 --> 00:40:39,800
Speaker 1: at things that they may said. This though, what a

821
00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:40,400
Speaker 1: glad TV.

822
00:40:41,080 --> 00:40:45,279
Speaker 5: I'm going to please do nineteen ninety four the source,

823
00:40:45,560 --> 00:40:48,880
Speaker 5: he said, you gave five mics and then they decided

824
00:40:48,920 --> 00:40:50,120
Speaker 5: to walk out or something.

825
00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:52,800
Speaker 1: No, no, no, you get the stories wrong. They walked

826
00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:55,799
Speaker 1: out in ninety four. They walked out in ninety four,

827
00:40:55,920 --> 00:40:58,520
Speaker 1: and like anything that I did up there, Dave agreed

828
00:40:58,560 --> 00:41:00,880
Speaker 1: to do it. So we we did everything together. So

829
00:41:01,080 --> 00:41:03,200
Speaker 1: Dave didn't say none of that. That's one thing about

830
00:41:03,239 --> 00:41:05,239
Speaker 1: the internet. If you don't if you don't listen to

831
00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:08,160
Speaker 1: it right properly, then you know you're gonna end up

832
00:41:08,200 --> 00:41:10,560
Speaker 1: not knowing that the true story and stuff.

833
00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:15,000
Speaker 4: Okay, then it says quitting over Benzino, hold on what

834
00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:15,399
Speaker 4: he said?

835
00:41:15,680 --> 00:41:20,200
Speaker 1: Hold on, hold on, We're gonna get into it. This

836
00:41:20,320 --> 00:41:24,200
Speaker 1: is not all good conversation because because I want to

837
00:41:24,239 --> 00:41:26,239
Speaker 1: hear what your thoughts are. The people want to se

838
00:41:26,360 --> 00:41:28,799
Speaker 1: the truth. I don't know what you two got. This

839
00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:33,040
Speaker 1: Dave made right and we're gonna they made just the

840
00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:36,160
Speaker 1: We walked out over five nights. We finished. That's wrong,

841
00:41:36,239 --> 00:41:40,560
Speaker 1: we finished seeing us. I'm ready, come on without making

842
00:41:40,560 --> 00:41:44,640
Speaker 1: it personal. Hold on here, it is Kim Osorio.

843
00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:48,240
Speaker 4: The source writers walked out after Benzino five nights rating

844
00:41:48,719 --> 00:41:50,719
Speaker 4: from play.

845
00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:53,239
Speaker 1: You never heard that play. I get Kim on the

846
00:41:53,239 --> 00:41:56,560
Speaker 1: phone right now, we can call him. That's plaucause. I

847
00:41:56,640 --> 00:41:59,279
Speaker 1: want to be I want to be historic now. But no,

848
00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:01,919
Speaker 1: but yeah, but you you gotta be right. You gotta

849
00:42:01,960 --> 00:42:03,560
Speaker 1: get your facts right now. You know what I'm saying.

850
00:42:03,719 --> 00:42:05,600
Speaker 1: You gotta get your fact well. You know because because

851
00:42:05,640 --> 00:42:08,280
Speaker 1: because nobody walk because nobody walked out of the five mics,

852
00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:13,200
Speaker 1: that's wrong. Because you just said that it is again

853
00:42:13,239 --> 00:42:16,360
Speaker 1: it's YouTube. Though it's YouTube, I'm saying it. That's not

854
00:42:16,520 --> 00:42:18,719
Speaker 1: make that's what YouTube said. You know, this is what

855
00:42:18,760 --> 00:42:21,560
Speaker 1: the light people. So somebody said, right now for the

856
00:42:21,560 --> 00:42:24,480
Speaker 1: guys raining raining lizards, does that make it.

857
00:42:24,440 --> 00:42:26,880
Speaker 4: True now because they ain't seen lizards and when they

858
00:42:26,920 --> 00:42:29,440
Speaker 4: ain't known for seeing so low.

859
00:42:29,320 --> 00:42:32,840
Speaker 1: People worked with you. Okay, well you gotta bring it,

860
00:42:33,160 --> 00:42:36,000
Speaker 1: show me like where it's true, show you home. Give

861
00:42:36,040 --> 00:42:39,520
Speaker 1: me a second about because much time as you want,

862
00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:45,560
Speaker 1: we're here. All right, Let's see the office and the

863
00:42:45,560 --> 00:42:48,480
Speaker 1: best job I pat and I coo. I hired her.

864
00:42:48,520 --> 00:42:51,200
Speaker 7: By the way, I'm trying to think right. So many

865
00:42:51,239 --> 00:42:57,200
Speaker 7: things happened, like I can remember vividly, moments like when

866
00:42:57,280 --> 00:43:00,200
Speaker 7: jay Z played the Blueprint album or when they so

867
00:43:00,239 --> 00:43:02,160
Speaker 7: there were moments later.

868
00:43:05,440 --> 00:43:06,280
Speaker 1: Awards to stuff.

869
00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:09,560
Speaker 7: I mean back then there was a committee.

870
00:43:09,600 --> 00:43:12,360
Speaker 5: So we had you know, the five my committee, and.

871
00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:16,440
Speaker 7: I think it had to be like seven.

872
00:43:16,280 --> 00:43:17,839
Speaker 1: Or other people.

873
00:43:18,160 --> 00:43:20,680
Speaker 7: Make we made sure we had like a West Coast rep,

874
00:43:20,719 --> 00:43:24,640
Speaker 7: a southern corresponding it like, we tried to balance it

875
00:43:24,680 --> 00:43:28,600
Speaker 7: out with different musical styles, knowing that people had different

876
00:43:28,640 --> 00:43:30,880
Speaker 7: backgrounds when it was part of the music department.

877
00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:34,480
Speaker 8: So in addition to that, we would have a writing door.

878
00:43:34,520 --> 00:43:37,359
Speaker 8: A few would get a vote as well, but a

879
00:43:37,400 --> 00:43:41,400
Speaker 8: lot of times artists assumed that people who were writing

880
00:43:41,440 --> 00:43:44,680
Speaker 8: were review for action giving the mics out.

881
00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:48,440
Speaker 7: So, I mean I had an issue before it even worked.

882
00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:51,960
Speaker 1: A compliters here we go. I just want to know,

883
00:43:52,040 --> 00:43:54,560
Speaker 1: though it's funny that you think God makes it, I'm

884
00:43:54,560 --> 00:43:58,000
Speaker 1: not fair made you. You're telling me I made this up.

885
00:43:58,440 --> 00:44:00,680
Speaker 1: You made a statement just now to me and said

886
00:44:00,719 --> 00:44:03,359
Speaker 1: that that people walked out, and I'm telling you that

887
00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:04,160
Speaker 1: that didn't happen.

888
00:44:04,440 --> 00:44:07,799
Speaker 4: Okay, So this lady's allied, not loan, No, but like

889
00:44:08,239 --> 00:44:10,399
Speaker 4: that's I'm still I just want to be sure we're

890
00:44:10,440 --> 00:44:11,520
Speaker 4: on the same plage.

891
00:44:13,360 --> 00:44:15,839
Speaker 1: I feel like, did you don't get it? So fine?

892
00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:19,120
Speaker 4: If you might say he gave him, I'm not saying

893
00:44:19,120 --> 00:44:20,640
Speaker 4: he gave his off five bike.

894
00:44:21,160 --> 00:44:25,279
Speaker 8: I'll nobody gave me going on bib bike. I think

895
00:44:25,360 --> 00:44:28,160
Speaker 8: that's when everybody you know shouts out.

896
00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:30,800
Speaker 1: To you know, because that is on me. But I

897
00:44:30,880 --> 00:44:34,960
Speaker 1: felt like that was the point when everybody started being like,

898
00:44:35,960 --> 00:44:38,279
Speaker 1: oh word, yeah, I.

899
00:44:40,040 --> 00:44:41,520
Speaker 7: Don't want Pim getting that south.

900
00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:46,359
Speaker 1: Okay, she just said it right there to Scout had none.

901
00:44:46,920 --> 00:44:48,439
Speaker 1: I had none to do with. That was in ninety four.

902
00:44:48,600 --> 00:44:50,879
Speaker 7: They got like four and a half night just through

903
00:44:51,600 --> 00:44:52,600
Speaker 7: and that would look for it.

904
00:44:52,719 --> 00:44:55,640
Speaker 1: Okay, something like that. It was something like that, all right,

905
00:44:56,440 --> 00:44:57,960
Speaker 1: And so the staff walked out.

906
00:44:58,000 --> 00:44:59,360
Speaker 8: They liked a lot of stuff.

907
00:44:59,480 --> 00:45:03,760
Speaker 1: So so here's here's what we're dealing with. We're dealing

908
00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:08,440
Speaker 1: with Lord Jamal. Because that's the podcast this is you

909
00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:11,160
Speaker 1: could see. I want you to see that. Yeah, yeah,

910
00:45:11,200 --> 00:45:14,200
Speaker 1: I know. I want to talk about it because it's

911
00:45:14,280 --> 00:45:15,239
Speaker 1: important to know.

912
00:45:16,920 --> 00:45:19,040
Speaker 5: Okay, so let me so let me explain what happened. So, okay,

913
00:45:19,040 --> 00:45:21,600
Speaker 5: a couple of things. So, like I said in ninety four,

914
00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:24,040
Speaker 5: well ware go, okay, we'll speed up. So I hired

915
00:45:24,080 --> 00:45:25,719
Speaker 5: Kim Osorio as the first.

916
00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:28,239
Speaker 1: Woman editor of the Sauce magazine. She was the very

917
00:45:28,280 --> 00:45:30,520
Speaker 1: first one. She was because prior to that it was

918
00:45:30,560 --> 00:45:31,280
Speaker 1: only men.

919
00:45:31,480 --> 00:45:34,080
Speaker 5: I gave her and she was a Puerto Rican woman,

920
00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:35,720
Speaker 5: the first editor.

921
00:45:35,760 --> 00:45:38,560
Speaker 1: That was a major move. People didn't like that. There

922
00:45:38,640 --> 00:45:40,200
Speaker 1: was a lot of men up there that was upset.

923
00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:42,480
Speaker 1: But I did that. They didn't even do that. I

924
00:45:42,520 --> 00:45:48,080
Speaker 1: did around the Eminem time. Okay, that's when the Eminem

925
00:45:48,120 --> 00:45:50,480
Speaker 1: war started happening. This was the later years in the

926
00:45:50,560 --> 00:45:53,800
Speaker 1: source and this was in the two thousands, and it

927
00:45:53,920 --> 00:45:57,719
Speaker 1: was a situation like what happened was when we was beef.

928
00:45:57,800 --> 00:46:01,399
Speaker 1: When me and Eminem was going back and forth, it

929
00:46:01,440 --> 00:46:05,640
Speaker 1: was like it was tense between me and the journalism

930
00:46:05,719 --> 00:46:08,360
Speaker 1: because some of them people liked Eminem and back, but

931
00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:10,960
Speaker 1: at that point Eminem had already been disrespecting us, so

932
00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:14,239
Speaker 1: it was like all bets were off. We had got

933
00:46:14,280 --> 00:46:18,040
Speaker 1: the racist tapes. They had sued the Source Magazine for

934
00:46:18,120 --> 00:46:20,560
Speaker 1: copyright infrigement. We had to go to federal court. We

935
00:46:20,640 --> 00:46:22,400
Speaker 1: ended up winning that case and I ended up paying

936
00:46:22,760 --> 00:46:25,040
Speaker 1: for our lawyers. We would want a landmark decision.

937
00:46:25,280 --> 00:46:28,560
Speaker 5: We was able to put the racist tapes vacuum sale

938
00:46:28,600 --> 00:46:31,400
Speaker 5: and put it in as a special part of the

939
00:46:31,440 --> 00:46:33,080
Speaker 5: Source magazine.

940
00:46:32,520 --> 00:46:34,880
Speaker 1: Because we was the first one to expose the racist tapes.

941
00:46:35,120 --> 00:46:36,960
Speaker 1: But yes, say, I'm gonna get to that well. But

942
00:46:37,239 --> 00:46:40,200
Speaker 1: at that time the staff was like, you know, like

943
00:46:40,320 --> 00:46:42,080
Speaker 1: at that point, it's like I'm writing a check some

944
00:46:42,160 --> 00:46:44,000
Speaker 1: of the boss and I never did that before. I

945
00:46:44,080 --> 00:46:47,400
Speaker 1: never put myself in on any mic writing pride to that. Remember,

946
00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:50,480
Speaker 1: I've been with Sources day one. I never sat in

947
00:46:50,600 --> 00:46:52,799
Speaker 1: on a MIC rating because I always let them do

948
00:46:52,960 --> 00:46:56,000
Speaker 1: their jobs. I would never get in front of anybody's job.

949
00:46:56,800 --> 00:46:59,120
Speaker 1: At that point, I had to flex my power though,

950
00:46:59,560 --> 00:47:03,080
Speaker 1: because this was bigger than them. We beefing against Eminem

951
00:47:03,120 --> 00:47:05,360
Speaker 1: and then with beefing against any scope, and with beefing

952
00:47:05,400 --> 00:47:08,560
Speaker 1: against Universal. So anybody who's not with that, you can

953
00:47:08,600 --> 00:47:11,640
Speaker 1: be replaced. This was a very tense time for everybody

954
00:47:11,680 --> 00:47:14,879
Speaker 1: at that point. You know, we was already in the

955
00:47:14,920 --> 00:47:17,719
Speaker 1: war at this time. So you know when when our

956
00:47:17,800 --> 00:47:21,080
Speaker 1: album was coming out, then there was rated mart right,

957
00:47:22,080 --> 00:47:23,719
Speaker 1: they want to give us three and a half, and

958
00:47:23,760 --> 00:47:26,000
Speaker 1: I gave us for I put it up to four

959
00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:28,560
Speaker 1: and a half. Now, I don't remember anybody walking out

960
00:47:28,600 --> 00:47:31,200
Speaker 1: because everybody still got their checks and nobody got fired,

961
00:47:31,280 --> 00:47:34,799
Speaker 1: so I don't remember that, but they might have been

962
00:47:34,880 --> 00:47:37,279
Speaker 1: upset about it, you know what I'm saying. But that

963
00:47:37,640 --> 00:47:41,000
Speaker 1: one time I had to pull my nuts out and

964
00:47:41,000 --> 00:47:43,160
Speaker 1: put on table and be like, look, this is my

965
00:47:43,160 --> 00:47:48,080
Speaker 1: sh Anybody who don't like it, y'all get out. See integrity,

966
00:47:48,560 --> 00:47:51,239
Speaker 1: that don't pay the bills, that don't keep the lights on. Yeah.

967
00:47:51,280 --> 00:47:54,040
Speaker 4: But but when you do that right, when you do that,

968
00:47:54,160 --> 00:47:57,640
Speaker 4: coupled with a couple of different other things, you could

969
00:47:57,680 --> 00:48:00,960
Speaker 4: start to be viewed as the brand that the eminem

970
00:48:01,000 --> 00:48:03,080
Speaker 4: hater brand, or the brand that.

971
00:48:02,960 --> 00:48:07,160
Speaker 1: Did hurt eminem So we was and do you think

972
00:48:07,200 --> 00:48:09,400
Speaker 1: they cost you the company? Though? No, hell no. What

973
00:48:09,520 --> 00:48:12,920
Speaker 1: caused the company was the actual the development of the

974
00:48:12,920 --> 00:48:16,360
Speaker 1: Internet and the actual when Dave took out a twelve

975
00:48:16,360 --> 00:48:20,600
Speaker 1: million dollar loan like in nineteen ninety seven started source

976
00:48:20,640 --> 00:48:23,160
Speaker 1: dot com and they crashed and we lost everything and

977
00:48:23,160 --> 00:48:25,759
Speaker 1: we owed the bank thirty forty million dollars. Who did

978
00:48:25,800 --> 00:48:27,520
Speaker 1: he go through? Do you know what? I don't know

979
00:48:27,560 --> 00:48:29,799
Speaker 1: who you have to ask? Not what? Money wise? This

980
00:48:30,040 --> 00:48:33,280
Speaker 1: what was the idea for the digital source dot com?

981
00:48:33,480 --> 00:48:35,640
Speaker 1: Like him and Steve Stout? Was it a world star?

982
00:48:35,960 --> 00:48:38,520
Speaker 1: Was it a news No, they was gonna develop a

983
00:48:38,560 --> 00:48:41,440
Speaker 1: website that every They had the idea, which was a

984
00:48:41,480 --> 00:48:44,000
Speaker 1: brilliant idea, and they seen it. They foreseen the future.

985
00:48:44,280 --> 00:48:46,839
Speaker 1: It was him and Steve Stout and h. Edward Young

986
00:48:47,160 --> 00:48:49,080
Speaker 1: and they said, look, this is the future. This is

987
00:48:49,080 --> 00:48:51,759
Speaker 1: where the advertising is gonna come. You know what I'm saying,

988
00:48:51,760 --> 00:48:54,480
Speaker 1: This is where we're gonna be getting advertising from. It's

989
00:48:54,480 --> 00:48:57,200
Speaker 1: all gonna transfer here. Now. At that time, wasn't no

990
00:48:57,280 --> 00:49:01,280
Speaker 1: smart phone. Computers were just these big ass you know boxes.

991
00:49:03,360 --> 00:49:06,239
Speaker 1: It was still like hardware is floppy disk. So Dave

992
00:49:06,320 --> 00:49:08,960
Speaker 1: and said that everything we're gonna be the first ones.

993
00:49:09,320 --> 00:49:12,520
Speaker 1: He took out the loan and opened up a new

994
00:49:12,560 --> 00:49:17,040
Speaker 1: office on Fifth Avenue, Sauce dot Com Fifth Avenue. I

995
00:49:17,120 --> 00:49:19,520
Speaker 1: was totally against it because I didn't know nothing about it.

996
00:49:19,719 --> 00:49:22,359
Speaker 1: So I let him do all those means. See, I

997
00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:24,719
Speaker 1: did the Souce Awards Source Hip Hop Hits that sold

998
00:49:24,719 --> 00:49:29,040
Speaker 1: five million Sauce Awards Source all Access TV source that

999
00:49:29,080 --> 00:49:32,080
Speaker 1: we gave Ray j his first dot on UPN thirty three.

1000
00:49:32,120 --> 00:49:33,719
Speaker 1: I was doing. That was all me. That was my

1001
00:49:34,480 --> 00:49:37,800
Speaker 1: Sauce behind bars like that was that was the JC

1002
00:49:37,960 --> 00:49:41,440
Speaker 1: Penny Clothing company. We're putting source logos I did. I

1003
00:49:41,480 --> 00:49:45,040
Speaker 1: was doing those dips. I got five million dollars cash

1004
00:49:45,160 --> 00:49:47,920
Speaker 1: from Russell Simmons for the Source hip Hop Hits. Just

1005
00:49:47,960 --> 00:49:50,480
Speaker 1: the compilation of albums, just the people who was on

1006
00:49:50,520 --> 00:49:53,480
Speaker 1: the covers of the year put their biggest songs on there,

1007
00:49:53,520 --> 00:49:55,040
Speaker 1: and then things were selling the worldwide.

1008
00:49:55,560 --> 00:49:58,560
Speaker 5: So you know, Dave did that. I trusted him as

1009
00:49:58,600 --> 00:50:00,319
Speaker 5: my partner, but he made that move.

1010
00:50:00,960 --> 00:50:04,360
Speaker 1: She made that decision. Now I rode with him. We

1011
00:50:04,480 --> 00:50:07,479
Speaker 1: ended up own the bank. Bob Johnson wanted to buy

1012
00:50:07,880 --> 00:50:10,120
Speaker 1: the Source of fifty five million we had old the

1013
00:50:10,120 --> 00:50:12,960
Speaker 1: bank thirty something million. I turned it down, you know

1014
00:50:13,000 --> 00:50:17,239
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. You know, so you know people like

1015
00:50:17,280 --> 00:50:19,200
Speaker 1: I said, I don't, I don't. I don't get too

1016
00:50:19,239 --> 00:50:21,440
Speaker 1: worried about what's being said, what's being her because I

1017
00:50:21,440 --> 00:50:22,120
Speaker 1: actually lived it.

1018
00:50:22,200 --> 00:50:25,200
Speaker 4: And no, but I'm saying, I'm saying, like, if I

1019
00:50:25,239 --> 00:50:28,080
Speaker 4: take this platform right here, you got two or three

1020
00:50:28,160 --> 00:50:31,360
Speaker 4: hundred thousand people listening in a month. If I started

1021
00:50:31,480 --> 00:50:35,640
Speaker 4: every time the bash ben Zeno, I lose some of

1022
00:50:35,680 --> 00:50:37,719
Speaker 4: my fans. I lose some of the people that want

1023
00:50:37,760 --> 00:50:39,799
Speaker 4: to hear about the game I got or what I've

1024
00:50:39,840 --> 00:50:42,720
Speaker 4: been through, or that want to hit me interview people.

1025
00:50:43,080 --> 00:50:46,040
Speaker 1: So that's what I'm saying. Do you believe that with

1026
00:50:46,320 --> 00:50:49,840
Speaker 1: you being over aggressive like that, that you come I definitely,

1027
00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:52,960
Speaker 1: I definitely, I definitely would what it did different. You

1028
00:50:53,040 --> 00:50:55,560
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. I definitely wouldn't have put business

1029
00:50:56,000 --> 00:51:00,440
Speaker 1: in with the with my personal battle because what does

1030
00:51:00,440 --> 00:51:01,840
Speaker 1: it hurt you if you get a three and a

1031
00:51:01,880 --> 00:51:04,040
Speaker 1: half like no, no, no, no, no, no no. But I

1032
00:51:04,080 --> 00:51:06,400
Speaker 1: did that. I did that on purpose, I know.

1033
00:51:06,520 --> 00:51:09,239
Speaker 4: But I'm saying, if you had a feel back from that,

1034
00:51:09,440 --> 00:51:11,920
Speaker 4: what is it hurt that that's our ego?

1035
00:51:12,280 --> 00:51:14,640
Speaker 1: That's all like pride and ego. Of course it was

1036
00:51:14,640 --> 00:51:17,719
Speaker 1: one hundred percent and and and and like I said,

1037
00:51:17,400 --> 00:51:20,800
Speaker 1: I definitely would have did it different. You know, like when.

1038
00:51:20,680 --> 00:51:23,200
Speaker 4: It seems like though you've gotten far with your ego

1039
00:51:23,239 --> 00:51:25,960
Speaker 4: and stuff. It's gotten you so far, but then in

1040
00:51:26,000 --> 00:51:27,719
Speaker 4: that moment, it played against.

1041
00:51:27,480 --> 00:51:30,360
Speaker 1: You, It played against me. And you know at that point,

1042
00:51:30,560 --> 00:51:33,520
Speaker 1: at that point, it was like like I said, you know,

1043
00:51:34,040 --> 00:51:36,920
Speaker 1: we had old the bank. I got indicted around that time.

1044
00:51:37,040 --> 00:51:40,120
Speaker 1: Everything started falling apart, like right around that time. So

1045
00:51:40,760 --> 00:51:42,640
Speaker 1: you know, things happened. You know what I'm saying. You living,

1046
00:51:42,680 --> 00:51:47,080
Speaker 1: you learn, and uh, the Eminem situation, I still tend

1047
00:51:47,120 --> 00:51:49,279
Speaker 1: toes down with that. We was the source magazine. We were

1048
00:51:49,280 --> 00:51:52,440
Speaker 1: supposed to show those tapes, were supposed to go at him.

1049
00:51:53,160 --> 00:51:55,040
Speaker 1: We're supposed to hold a press conferdence.

1050
00:51:55,960 --> 00:51:59,640
Speaker 2: In the press release and Xeno and Me announced they

1051
00:51:59,640 --> 00:52:02,920
Speaker 2: would be playing a teeth of Eminem wrapping racists.

1052
00:52:02,920 --> 00:52:05,719
Speaker 3: We didn't say that what's on his tape? To take that,

1053
00:52:05,880 --> 00:52:09,760
Speaker 3: Three white kids from Detroit walked into Dave's office, brought

1054
00:52:09,760 --> 00:52:12,319
Speaker 3: and said, listen, this is the real Eminem and wait

1055
00:52:12,520 --> 00:52:14,920
Speaker 3: and we're tired of it's we got to make this

1056
00:52:15,000 --> 00:52:17,040
Speaker 3: the same way that you guys have treated Mike Tyson.

1057
00:52:17,840 --> 00:52:21,960
Speaker 1: You guys are treating Kobe Bryant, you guys have treated R.

1058
00:52:22,080 --> 00:52:25,719
Speaker 1: Kelly O. J. Simpson. We can we can hear the music. Now,

1059
00:52:25,800 --> 00:52:30,560
Speaker 1: think of a more you know, important pivotal moment, uh

1060
00:52:30,719 --> 00:52:34,560
Speaker 1: in our history, sources history, you know, our personal history?

1061
00:52:34,640 --> 00:52:37,760
Speaker 1: Is that been right here tonight? Black women are bad,

1062
00:52:38,239 --> 00:52:39,160
Speaker 1: White women are good.

1063
00:52:39,400 --> 00:52:44,319
Speaker 9: I don't care if he's redeemed hisself. Now that's not

1064
00:52:44,440 --> 00:52:47,239
Speaker 9: the message. And if that's what he is, then he

1065
00:52:47,280 --> 00:52:49,440
Speaker 9: has to be held accountable for that. I want to

1066
00:52:49,440 --> 00:52:50,960
Speaker 9: see what he's gonna say.

1067
00:52:51,000 --> 00:52:54,000
Speaker 1: Now. The ball's in his is in his court. Now

1068
00:52:54,800 --> 00:52:57,320
Speaker 1: we did hold a p I know. But were you suppose?

1069
00:52:57,480 --> 00:53:00,359
Speaker 1: Was that over Dan? Why wouldn't we Why would why

1070
00:53:00,400 --> 00:53:03,160
Speaker 1: wouldn't you hold the president? If who's the biggest artist

1071
00:53:03,200 --> 00:53:05,480
Speaker 1: right Let's say, who's the biggest white artist right now?

1072
00:53:05,960 --> 00:53:09,840
Speaker 1: Jack Harlow? Who Jack Harlow? No, the biggest white artist,

1073
00:53:10,000 --> 00:53:14,720
Speaker 1: Not Jack Harlow. Who's the biggest I'm saying not rapper artists?

1074
00:53:14,719 --> 00:53:17,600
Speaker 1: Oh oh oh? Male artist? Who's the biggest biggas singer?

1075
00:53:17,640 --> 00:53:21,439
Speaker 1: Anybody right now? Golf Brooks, Tim McGraw. I let's say

1076
00:53:21,440 --> 00:53:23,840
Speaker 1: Tim McGraw had his song back in the day talking

1077
00:53:23,880 --> 00:53:27,719
Speaker 1: about black today, right and it came out, do you

1078
00:53:27,760 --> 00:53:29,800
Speaker 1: know that would be the number one thing on Twitter

1079
00:53:29,800 --> 00:53:34,200
Speaker 1: and TMZ right now, right now. So we did nothing wrong.

1080
00:53:34,239 --> 00:53:36,760
Speaker 1: We was TMZ, we was Twitter, we was the Internet.

1081
00:53:37,239 --> 00:53:39,359
Speaker 1: We did what we were supposed to do. We didn't

1082
00:53:39,400 --> 00:53:41,880
Speaker 1: go looking for that tape. Then white boys popped up

1083
00:53:41,880 --> 00:53:44,680
Speaker 1: in the sauce office trying to get fifty bands. I

1084
00:53:44,719 --> 00:53:47,600
Speaker 1: gave him fifteen. They said he made the tape at

1085
00:53:47,600 --> 00:53:52,600
Speaker 1: twenty one years old. They told us everything where a

1086
00:53:52,600 --> 00:53:55,000
Speaker 1: magazine publication of news.

1087
00:53:54,840 --> 00:53:59,920
Speaker 5: Music coulture like we were supposed to, just like everybody else.

1088
00:53:59,719 --> 00:54:02,040
Speaker 1: Would right now, that makes sense.

1089
00:54:02,120 --> 00:54:04,360
Speaker 4: I mean I can't I can't really push back on that,

1090
00:54:05,080 --> 00:54:08,279
Speaker 4: but I think coupled with your beef with him, well,

1091
00:54:08,320 --> 00:54:09,840
Speaker 4: it felt like you was something.

1092
00:54:09,840 --> 00:54:11,799
Speaker 1: The doctor at get started it.

1093
00:54:11,920 --> 00:54:14,080
Speaker 5: If I didn't have beef for them, them them dudes

1094
00:54:14,160 --> 00:54:16,919
Speaker 5: was never bringing that tape to me. If I never

1095
00:54:17,000 --> 00:54:19,319
Speaker 5: had beef, they had the tape for years. He made

1096
00:54:19,360 --> 00:54:23,280
Speaker 5: the tape years ago when he was twenty one, not sixteen.

1097
00:54:23,320 --> 00:54:26,200
Speaker 5: He never had no black girlfriends. Oh, but the bottom

1098
00:54:26,280 --> 00:54:29,799
Speaker 5: line is the tape's been out. He was trying to

1099
00:54:29,800 --> 00:54:31,960
Speaker 5: sell it to Earth guarding him. He was just asking

1100
00:54:32,000 --> 00:54:34,120
Speaker 5: too much for it. Niggas wasn't buying it. But they

1101
00:54:34,160 --> 00:54:36,920
Speaker 5: made a whole rat racist hour tape. I got to

1102
00:54:36,960 --> 00:54:40,000
Speaker 5: go to federal court for that ship for what because

1103
00:54:40,120 --> 00:54:41,359
Speaker 5: Jimmy and them suit us.

1104
00:54:41,560 --> 00:54:44,120
Speaker 1: Because we had the tape and they choose for copyright infringement.

1105
00:54:44,120 --> 00:54:46,520
Speaker 1: First they said it wasn't him. Then they said, Okay,

1106
00:54:46,520 --> 00:54:48,600
Speaker 1: it's him, y'all shouldn't have it. We're gonna suit you

1107
00:54:48,640 --> 00:54:56,440
Speaker 1: and we won. Ban So what the chips fell the

1108
00:54:56,480 --> 00:55:00,640
Speaker 1: way they fell? And I played the chips the way

1109
00:55:01,320 --> 00:55:03,440
Speaker 1: I was. I was a guy that grew up against

1110
00:55:03,480 --> 00:55:06,680
Speaker 1: racism and that and that and that. I wasn't with it,

1111
00:55:07,440 --> 00:55:13,120
Speaker 1: So I reacted based on who I am. I can't

1112
00:55:13,160 --> 00:55:14,840
Speaker 1: I can't speak for anybody else.

1113
00:55:15,480 --> 00:55:19,200
Speaker 4: Right, But with with the magazine, how much in how

1114
00:55:19,360 --> 00:55:21,640
Speaker 4: involved were you with the business side of it?

1115
00:55:22,760 --> 00:55:25,640
Speaker 1: I made all all the decisions. I hired the editor

1116
00:55:25,680 --> 00:55:27,840
Speaker 1: in chief. You know what I'm saying. I came up

1117
00:55:27,880 --> 00:55:30,080
Speaker 1: with this. So how were you running? How were you

1118
00:55:30,120 --> 00:55:32,880
Speaker 1: making these big boy claud and Dave letting Dave know

1119
00:55:32,960 --> 00:55:35,680
Speaker 1: the plays and Dave were gonna run the play just

1120
00:55:35,760 --> 00:55:39,880
Speaker 1: like a coach. Same. I'm coaching from the from the things,

1121
00:55:39,920 --> 00:55:44,480
Speaker 1: the boxes, and Dave got the headset on and Dave's

1122
00:55:44,520 --> 00:55:50,000
Speaker 1: handling accordingly. Because Dave was this guy notes brilliant. I

1123
00:55:50,160 --> 00:55:54,120
Speaker 1: was the creative. I was streets. I was hip hop.

1124
00:55:55,560 --> 00:55:57,520
Speaker 5: I had been hip hop since eleven years old, from

1125
00:55:57,520 --> 00:56:00,640
Speaker 5: the South Bronx, you know, and my grandfather's basement all

1126
00:56:00,680 --> 00:56:03,360
Speaker 5: the way to Boston with block parties in Rissol and

1127
00:56:03,400 --> 00:56:07,319
Speaker 5: made Man and you know what I'm saying, Yeah, do you?

1128
00:56:07,400 --> 00:56:09,279
Speaker 1: And I never got credit for all that, but I

1129
00:56:09,320 --> 00:56:11,160
Speaker 1: didn't want it because I was getting millions of dollars

1130
00:56:11,640 --> 00:56:14,640
Speaker 1: and I was traveling the world doing amazing. Wasn't doing

1131
00:56:14,680 --> 00:56:19,360
Speaker 1: nothing right? Because you was bawling back in the day,

1132
00:56:19,680 --> 00:56:22,239
Speaker 1: Oh my god, you have no it was. It was

1133
00:56:22,360 --> 00:56:25,280
Speaker 1: millions and millions of dollars and this was in the

1134
00:56:25,400 --> 00:56:27,040
Speaker 1: early two thousands.

1135
00:56:27,719 --> 00:56:30,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, I heard you once. I heard you say that

1136
00:56:30,120 --> 00:56:31,640
Speaker 4: you had more money than Jay Z.

1137
00:56:31,800 --> 00:56:35,240
Speaker 1: One hundred and did it one hundred percent? One hundred percent?

1138
00:56:35,680 --> 00:56:37,799
Speaker 1: Was it not even closed or I don't think it

1139
00:56:37,840 --> 00:56:40,680
Speaker 1: was close At my height back then, I don't think.

1140
00:56:40,800 --> 00:56:44,160
Speaker 1: I don't think so. How much money we talking. I mean,

1141
00:56:44,200 --> 00:56:46,200
Speaker 1: we was getting sauce. We was getting a couple of

1142
00:56:46,200 --> 00:56:48,319
Speaker 1: million a month, a few million a month just from

1143
00:56:48,320 --> 00:56:50,760
Speaker 1: advertis I'm talking about you though, I mean I was spending.

1144
00:56:50,760 --> 00:56:52,960
Speaker 1: If you look at Jay back then and look at you,

1145
00:56:53,600 --> 00:56:56,000
Speaker 1: like how much you think I got indicted for taxes

1146
00:56:56,040 --> 00:56:58,920
Speaker 1: because I was spending millions and millions of dollars. So

1147
00:56:59,080 --> 00:57:01,520
Speaker 1: you know, I could just go that they wasn't spending

1148
00:57:01,520 --> 00:57:04,320
Speaker 1: millions of dollars. They wasn't doing They didn't have money

1149
00:57:04,360 --> 00:57:07,239
Speaker 1: like that. They'll tell you or what they reinvest in it.

1150
00:57:07,280 --> 00:57:10,520
Speaker 1: I'm saying that, I don't whatever. Maybe you were blowing it.

1151
00:57:10,760 --> 00:57:13,040
Speaker 5: I'm just saying, no, no, they didn't have it. They

1152
00:57:13,040 --> 00:57:15,000
Speaker 5: didn't have that type of cash that I had.

1153
00:57:15,880 --> 00:57:19,200
Speaker 1: They just did it. They had record deals. I owned

1154
00:57:19,200 --> 00:57:21,280
Speaker 1: the whole magazine, and I was getting record deals. I

1155
00:57:21,280 --> 00:57:23,520
Speaker 1: had a whole I got eight hundred thousand from Electra

1156
00:57:23,880 --> 00:57:26,120
Speaker 1: I got. I was signed to Motown. I got seven

1157
00:57:26,200 --> 00:57:28,800
Speaker 1: hundred thousand dollars advance from them while I was doing

1158
00:57:28,920 --> 00:57:33,919
Speaker 1: Source magazine. Right, you know, filthy, you know what I mean,

1159
00:57:34,360 --> 00:57:37,760
Speaker 1: doing crazy like you know what I'm saying, like just

1160
00:57:37,800 --> 00:57:40,920
Speaker 1: taking private jets and having hotel Miami, renting out the

1161
00:57:40,920 --> 00:57:44,640
Speaker 1: biggest penthouses and five hotel rooms the Beverly Hills Suite,

1162
00:57:44,720 --> 00:57:47,280
Speaker 1: staying there for three months at at twelve hundred dollars

1163
00:57:47,320 --> 00:57:49,840
Speaker 1: a night in the back, the bungalows in the back,

1164
00:57:49,920 --> 00:57:53,919
Speaker 1: not the regular rooms. Jacob million, two million dollars cash

1165
00:57:53,960 --> 00:57:56,800
Speaker 1: with jewelry, bought the whole staff, jewelry and all that.

1166
00:57:57,520 --> 00:57:59,560
Speaker 1: Why you even pay the taxes on it?

1167
00:58:00,080 --> 00:58:01,959
Speaker 5: I mean, Dave was supposed to do. You really didn't

1168
00:58:02,000 --> 00:58:04,640
Speaker 5: know David? No, I don't because I never questioned Dave.

1169
00:58:04,680 --> 00:58:07,400
Speaker 5: Dave handled the business and everything. I was getting money.

1170
00:58:07,800 --> 00:58:10,800
Speaker 1: When so y'all were indicted as a team, I gotta

1171
00:58:10,880 --> 00:58:14,880
Speaker 1: dieted by myself. See that don't make sense, surely don't.

1172
00:58:14,960 --> 00:58:23,600
Speaker 1: But it was what it was. That's crazy, very you know,

1173
00:58:23,680 --> 00:58:25,520
Speaker 1: it is what it is. You know. So he paid

1174
00:58:25,560 --> 00:58:28,040
Speaker 1: his tax as far as you man, listen, he didn't

1175
00:58:28,040 --> 00:58:31,400
Speaker 1: get indicted I did, you know. But you know what

1176
00:58:31,440 --> 00:58:33,600
Speaker 1: I'm saying, I got nothing bad to say about Dave. Dave,

1177
00:58:33,960 --> 00:58:37,200
Speaker 1: Me and Dave accomplished so much amazing. But why don't

1178
00:58:37,240 --> 00:58:39,560
Speaker 1: y'all talk now? Seeing y'all you know what I'm saying.

1179
00:58:39,600 --> 00:58:41,360
Speaker 1: It's personal, you know, what I'm saying, not everything for

1180
00:58:41,440 --> 00:58:43,920
Speaker 1: that yet. It's like it's like, you know, we and

1181
00:58:44,000 --> 00:58:48,720
Speaker 1: Davis together for like twenty years, every day, every day,

1182
00:58:49,640 --> 00:58:52,160
Speaker 1: just naturally. It was time he got married. It was

1183
00:58:52,240 --> 00:58:54,680
Speaker 1: time he just go and do his own night. It

1184
00:58:54,720 --> 00:58:57,360
Speaker 1: was just time natural, It was a natural thing God said.

1185
00:58:57,360 --> 00:59:00,280
Speaker 1: It can't question God. You know what I'm saying. The

1186
00:59:00,480 --> 00:59:03,560
Speaker 1: way life is life, life is phases. You're not gonna

1187
00:59:03,600 --> 00:59:07,080
Speaker 1: be around all your life. You know what I'm saying,

1188
00:59:07,400 --> 00:59:10,280
Speaker 1: You're gonna transition, especially the way life is moving now.

1189
00:59:10,560 --> 00:59:13,400
Speaker 1: You transition because especially for older guys, if you're not

1190
00:59:13,440 --> 00:59:16,080
Speaker 1: adapting and adjusting on the fly, then you're gonna get

1191
00:59:16,120 --> 00:59:18,920
Speaker 1: left behind and you're gonna get Yeah, I ain't got

1192
00:59:18,960 --> 00:59:21,120
Speaker 1: time to worry about who's not with me. I only

1193
00:59:21,160 --> 00:59:24,280
Speaker 1: got time to worry about who's with me. Back then,

1194
00:59:24,440 --> 00:59:27,040
Speaker 1: what was jade z n did it? Like? What were they?

1195
00:59:27,120 --> 00:59:29,160
Speaker 1: What they I didn't? I didn't know. You know, both

1196
00:59:29,200 --> 00:59:31,360
Speaker 1: of them were quiet. Dave dealt with the business on

1197
00:59:31,520 --> 00:59:33,560
Speaker 1: them and I'm sure you know they had their big

1198
00:59:33,600 --> 00:59:36,040
Speaker 1: ego driven to we all egos. They knew who I was.

1199
00:59:36,480 --> 00:59:39,520
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, How you money up? Don't

1200
00:59:39,760 --> 00:59:41,800
Speaker 1: I didn't. I didn't put the money up. I spent

1201
00:59:41,880 --> 00:59:45,000
Speaker 1: it and and and and hell and no, no, no

1202
00:59:45,080 --> 00:59:47,680
Speaker 1: not really, because well, you know the object of life

1203
00:59:47,720 --> 00:59:49,920
Speaker 1: is to live. You know what I'm saying. I lived it.

1204
00:59:50,480 --> 00:59:52,160
Speaker 1: I lived. I had a hell of a run. Live

1205
00:59:52,200 --> 00:59:55,080
Speaker 1: and keep living though. Yeah I'm still living still. Yeah,

1206
00:59:55,120 --> 00:59:57,560
Speaker 1: but you was. You was in front of Jay and Diddy.

1207
00:59:57,960 --> 01:00:00,960
Speaker 1: Think about that statement, like you took off and you

1208
01:00:01,080 --> 01:00:04,000
Speaker 1: was in front of all of them, right, and you say,

1209
01:00:04,160 --> 01:00:06,440
Speaker 1: I'm a street I'm a hustler from the street like

1210
01:00:06,520 --> 01:00:10,280
Speaker 1: it ain't no way, I just play up. And you know,

1211
01:00:10,400 --> 01:00:12,000
Speaker 1: you know, I helped a lot of people. I gave

1212
01:00:12,040 --> 01:00:17,280
Speaker 1: away a lot of money, digit a lot. Hey, man, boy,

1213
01:00:17,600 --> 01:00:21,000
Speaker 1: Robin Hood ain't on the zeaster. Believe that. Yeah, man,

1214
01:00:21,000 --> 01:00:23,520
Speaker 1: I gave away I was man. I was very very

1215
01:00:23,560 --> 01:00:26,560
Speaker 1: generous to a lot a lot of people. Man, you

1216
01:00:26,640 --> 01:00:29,360
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. And you know what my mentality

1217
01:00:29,600 --> 01:00:32,840
Speaker 1: where I made a mistake was I took the superstreet

1218
01:00:32,880 --> 01:00:37,040
Speaker 1: mentality of any time I got up, anytime I got

1219
01:00:37,120 --> 01:00:39,440
Speaker 1: my bag, I would take my profit off top and

1220
01:00:39,480 --> 01:00:42,680
Speaker 1: got off. Get a bunch of knights all bring the

1221
01:00:42,680 --> 01:00:45,480
Speaker 1: plugs from the from Because I was such a hustler

1222
01:00:45,640 --> 01:00:47,160
Speaker 1: that I knew that I could go back tomorrow and

1223
01:00:47,160 --> 01:00:49,160
Speaker 1: give it again. And that's how I just looked at life.

1224
01:00:49,680 --> 01:00:52,040
Speaker 4: It wasn't see I'm the re up king, Like if

1225
01:00:52,080 --> 01:00:54,080
Speaker 4: soon I get enough to re up. I want more

1226
01:00:54,120 --> 01:00:56,800
Speaker 4: product than I want money when I'm in the street.

1227
01:00:57,120 --> 01:00:58,080
Speaker 1: I've always been.

1228
01:00:58,320 --> 01:01:00,760
Speaker 4: That I want I want more pro then I want

1229
01:01:00,760 --> 01:01:02,400
Speaker 4: money because the product gets my money.

1230
01:01:02,440 --> 01:01:05,720
Speaker 1: I always I just I just was always I'm going

1231
01:01:05,760 --> 01:01:07,720
Speaker 1: to get more product because I don't. It don't matter

1232
01:01:07,720 --> 01:01:11,160
Speaker 1: because I'm always gonna. I'm always gonna, like I just, man,

1233
01:01:11,360 --> 01:01:13,480
Speaker 1: that's what I'm saying. Man, I always got money. Man,

1234
01:01:13,920 --> 01:01:16,520
Speaker 1: getting money was never a problem, even like right now,

1235
01:01:16,920 --> 01:01:19,320
Speaker 1: like even in the situation, Man, I still you know

1236
01:01:19,360 --> 01:01:20,560
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, I don't punch, No, you know what

1237
01:01:20,600 --> 01:01:22,600
Speaker 1: I'm saying. Yeah, but it was a mold time I'm

1238
01:01:22,640 --> 01:01:25,040
Speaker 1: talking about the time in front of didn't know what

1239
01:01:25,040 --> 01:01:28,600
Speaker 1: I'm saying. I was multime millionaires. It ain't got that happens,

1240
01:01:28,880 --> 01:01:30,840
Speaker 1: but they wanted the head and you better understand.

1241
01:01:30,840 --> 01:01:33,200
Speaker 5: But you gotta understand it's hard being a molt time

1242
01:01:33,200 --> 01:01:35,720
Speaker 5: millionaire when you've got too many family members of too

1243
01:01:35,760 --> 01:01:36,760
Speaker 5: many we ain't got you.

1244
01:01:37,320 --> 01:01:40,280
Speaker 1: And if you know, back then, I gave it. I can't.

1245
01:01:40,800 --> 01:01:44,280
Speaker 1: I cared too much about everybody around me. I can't

1246
01:01:44,320 --> 01:01:46,840
Speaker 1: explain it. But money never made me. Money come and go.

1247
01:01:47,080 --> 01:01:50,160
Speaker 5: I'm still here, healthy, healthy, and better shape than I've

1248
01:01:50,160 --> 01:01:53,280
Speaker 5: ever Yeah, you take you take care of yourself, better shape, better.

1249
01:01:53,200 --> 01:01:55,680
Speaker 1: Shape than I've ever been. I'm healthy, I'm happy, I'm peaceful,

1250
01:01:56,080 --> 01:01:57,720
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Like God is good man,

1251
01:01:57,800 --> 01:01:59,440
Speaker 1: I have nothing, you know what I'm saying. So you

1252
01:01:59,520 --> 01:02:02,720
Speaker 1: don't never think about that money that you should invest.

1253
01:02:03,160 --> 01:02:06,240
Speaker 1: You should have a couple of times sometimes you do

1254
01:02:06,360 --> 01:02:08,320
Speaker 1: your normal. But on the most part, I really don't

1255
01:02:08,320 --> 01:02:11,040
Speaker 1: think about too much. I just don't because now life

1256
01:02:11,120 --> 01:02:14,120
Speaker 1: is so much different from back then. It's really hard

1257
01:02:14,200 --> 01:02:17,000
Speaker 1: to kind of correlate too of today's life in back

1258
01:02:17,080 --> 01:02:20,040
Speaker 1: to like not just the money wise, Like everything's different,

1259
01:02:20,080 --> 01:02:22,360
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So it really is like

1260
01:02:22,400 --> 01:02:25,440
Speaker 1: two different planets, right. I'm just in this transition now,

1261
01:02:25,800 --> 01:02:27,360
Speaker 1: and I got to find out the ways to make

1262
01:02:27,440 --> 01:02:28,800
Speaker 1: it work. And I got some things in the pot

1263
01:02:28,880 --> 01:02:31,200
Speaker 1: and them you're gonna always be able to make a

1264
01:02:31,320 --> 01:02:32,439
Speaker 1: dollar that ain't it ain't.

1265
01:02:32,480 --> 01:02:36,480
Speaker 4: Nobody never dispute a question, and I just me being

1266
01:02:36,560 --> 01:02:38,280
Speaker 4: from where I'm from, coming from nothing.

1267
01:02:38,880 --> 01:02:39,800
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.

1268
01:02:39,920 --> 01:02:42,320
Speaker 4: My mother working hard as she could, made sure we

1269
01:02:42,560 --> 01:02:44,480
Speaker 4: was a little man. I took you you know what

1270
01:02:44,480 --> 01:02:47,160
Speaker 4: I mean, It's like family friends. I bought everybody all

1271
01:02:47,280 --> 01:02:48,360
Speaker 4: kind I mean.

1272
01:02:48,320 --> 01:02:50,880
Speaker 1: Big, I literally like I was. I was a big

1273
01:02:51,280 --> 01:02:53,880
Speaker 1: and of them hip. You back what you baying? Mom

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Speaker 1: caused jewelry money. You know what I'm saying, I mean

1275
01:02:58,400 --> 01:03:02,600
Speaker 1: bills everything, women, I was with jewelry moneys. I mean,

1276
01:03:02,760 --> 01:03:05,959
Speaker 1: just my kids spoiled the het out of my kids,

1277
01:03:05,960 --> 01:03:07,800
Speaker 1: you know. I mean it's just you know what I'm saying,

1278
01:03:07,840 --> 01:03:10,160
Speaker 1: look at it. I mean it just I watched my

1279
01:03:10,240 --> 01:03:13,720
Speaker 1: father do that. I watched him be very generous. Man.

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01:03:14,320 --> 01:03:16,080
Speaker 1: I kind of took that on. I learned later that

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01:03:16,600 --> 01:03:20,040
Speaker 1: that that necessarily wasn't the greatest move because you know,

1282
01:03:20,240 --> 01:03:23,800
Speaker 1: later on, you know when when you know when when

1283
01:03:25,720 --> 01:03:27,720
Speaker 1: they could be in a position to help you, they don't.

1284
01:03:28,920 --> 01:03:31,320
Speaker 1: You know. But see that's the part where I get

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01:03:31,320 --> 01:03:35,400
Speaker 1: that to God, because I truly believed that that that

1286
01:03:35,560 --> 01:03:41,120
Speaker 1: doesn't go unnoticed. I really believe that you shouldn't feel anyway,

1287
01:03:41,440 --> 01:03:44,360
Speaker 1: and you shouldn't feel spiteful, evengeful. Just know that you

1288
01:03:44,480 --> 01:03:47,080
Speaker 1: did it and it's gonna come in different ways. And

1289
01:03:47,200 --> 01:03:49,360
Speaker 1: that's that's right, just how that's just how I feel.

1290
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Speaker 1: That's rough, though. Did you did you ever feel like.

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Speaker 4: Do you remember the moment when you felt like I'm broke,

1292
01:03:58,080 --> 01:04:01,000
Speaker 4: not that I can't make a dollar, different things.

1293
01:04:01,560 --> 01:04:05,720
Speaker 1: Because I always was just blew money, like I was

1294
01:04:05,800 --> 01:04:08,760
Speaker 1: really blown money fast to be as like like I

1295
01:04:08,880 --> 01:04:11,200
Speaker 1: just always was. At some point I knew you would know,

1296
01:04:11,280 --> 01:04:13,000
Speaker 1: you would tell him, Man, he's been like that from

1297
01:04:13,080 --> 01:04:15,480
Speaker 1: day one. I just was. I love nice things. I

1298
01:04:15,600 --> 01:04:17,520
Speaker 1: loved you know what I'm saying. I was like I

1299
01:04:17,680 --> 01:04:20,520
Speaker 1: was so I could name the celebrities I was. I mean,

1300
01:04:21,360 --> 01:04:23,640
Speaker 1: I was the top of it for a few years.

1301
01:04:23,720 --> 01:04:26,480
Speaker 1: I was. I had the owner of the Source magazine

1302
01:04:26,520 --> 01:04:29,400
Speaker 1: and Source high wards and had a hit record like that.

1303
01:04:29,680 --> 01:04:32,439
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? Yeah, you know what I'm saying.

1304
01:04:33,440 --> 01:04:36,720
Speaker 1: I know, I lived. I lived. I didn't want people

1305
01:04:36,800 --> 01:04:39,920
Speaker 1: like you lost, I lose. I spent it and lived great.

1306
01:04:40,280 --> 01:04:44,640
Speaker 1: I was doing amazing a daily minutely basis. You know

1307
01:04:44,640 --> 01:04:49,120
Speaker 1: what I'm saying that, And you can't take that from me.

1308
01:04:49,280 --> 01:04:52,040
Speaker 1: That happened. See, that's what life is we all gon,

1309
01:04:52,600 --> 01:04:54,320
Speaker 1: but there's gonna be a period of life where you're

1310
01:04:54,320 --> 01:04:56,080
Speaker 1: gonna have a hell of a run. I had minds.

1311
01:04:56,720 --> 01:04:58,880
Speaker 1: I still weren't lie in me. You know what I'm saying.

1312
01:04:59,560 --> 01:05:05,120
Speaker 1: That happened. The resume stays, it stands, you know what

1313
01:05:05,160 --> 01:05:08,880
Speaker 1: I'm saying. Of course, as black people were not good

1314
01:05:08,920 --> 01:05:11,840
Speaker 1: with money, and guess why that is because of the

1315
01:05:11,960 --> 01:05:15,400
Speaker 1: situation that these all this. But I lived and I learned,

1316
01:05:15,480 --> 01:05:18,520
Speaker 1: and you know what I'm saying. I'm definitely But at

1317
01:05:18,560 --> 01:05:21,080
Speaker 1: some point, I know reality kicked in. You're like, yo,

1318
01:05:21,240 --> 01:05:23,680
Speaker 1: I can't spend money like that. Yeah. The only kicks

1319
01:05:23,720 --> 01:05:25,960
Speaker 1: in of what what? What I gotta worry about right now?

1320
01:05:26,080 --> 01:05:28,640
Speaker 1: That's my reality now. So you're telling a reality no

1321
01:05:28,720 --> 01:05:31,080
Speaker 1: more the past the past that I swear to God,

1322
01:05:31,120 --> 01:05:33,600
Speaker 1: I'm not lying. The past is not reality no more. No,

1323
01:05:33,680 --> 01:05:36,000
Speaker 1: I'm talking about in that moment, like I'm wondering in

1324
01:05:36,440 --> 01:05:36,880
Speaker 1: your life.

1325
01:05:37,040 --> 01:05:38,880
Speaker 4: Was it two thousand and six where you like, down

1326
01:05:39,240 --> 01:05:41,920
Speaker 4: the lifestyle, gotta change, I gotta down great house.

1327
01:05:42,000 --> 01:05:45,240
Speaker 1: I still was. I still have bad Yeah, we're gonna

1328
01:05:45,240 --> 01:05:47,960
Speaker 1: start smoking good weed. I still was. Then did you

1329
01:05:48,080 --> 01:05:50,960
Speaker 1: downgrade your homes? Yeah, but that's just it, that's just it.

1330
01:05:51,200 --> 01:05:53,640
Speaker 1: Like I used to I never did you ever had

1331
01:05:53,720 --> 01:05:56,720
Speaker 1: I never made? Yeah, of course two of them in Jersey,

1332
01:05:56,800 --> 01:05:59,280
Speaker 1: one for me and one for my family, big stupid

1333
01:05:59,320 --> 01:06:04,080
Speaker 1: ones next Russell Simmons's job, and I see in y Clifford. Yeah,

1334
01:06:04,360 --> 01:06:05,840
Speaker 1: but you know what I'm saying. But you know what

1335
01:06:05,840 --> 01:06:08,600
Speaker 1: I mean, Like I was all I was living in

1336
01:06:08,720 --> 01:06:10,880
Speaker 1: hotels more than anything. That was my family. I was

1337
01:06:10,960 --> 01:06:13,080
Speaker 1: on the road all my life. I was staying at

1338
01:06:13,080 --> 01:06:16,520
Speaker 1: hotels all my life, from motels to the most amazing

1339
01:06:16,600 --> 01:06:18,720
Speaker 1: hotels you could think of, my whole life. So I

1340
01:06:18,840 --> 01:06:21,040
Speaker 1: didn't see the difference, you know what I'm saying. When

1341
01:06:21,080 --> 01:06:23,800
Speaker 1: that happened, Dave might have been, but man, when that

1342
01:06:23,840 --> 01:06:25,800
Speaker 1: when we lost the sauce, I moved to Miami. We

1343
01:06:25,840 --> 01:06:28,080
Speaker 1: lost everything. I moved to Miami. I still was paying

1344
01:06:28,120 --> 01:06:29,920
Speaker 1: my rent. I had a nice little house with a

1345
01:06:30,320 --> 01:06:33,600
Speaker 1: little pool in Hollywood, California. Now I was still going

1346
01:06:33,640 --> 01:06:35,760
Speaker 1: to strip club stiff only like what do I gotta

1347
01:06:35,760 --> 01:06:39,360
Speaker 1: be upset for how long? For a minute? Yeah, it's like,

1348
01:06:39,760 --> 01:06:41,400
Speaker 1: you know, we started hip Hop Weekly. I came in

1349
01:06:41,480 --> 01:06:42,960
Speaker 1: and I came up looking. I came up with hip

1350
01:06:43,000 --> 01:06:45,280
Speaker 1: Hop Weekly, wasn't getting the money to see you're in

1351
01:06:45,480 --> 01:06:48,640
Speaker 1: you so you're the owner. I invented that. After that,

1352
01:06:48,920 --> 01:06:51,440
Speaker 1: these are impointed that that's what I'm looking for. What

1353
01:06:51,920 --> 01:06:54,400
Speaker 1: happened after that? Like how you maintained our life's in

1354
01:06:54,480 --> 01:06:56,040
Speaker 1: hip hop? I invented hi. I'm sure that was a

1355
01:06:56,160 --> 01:06:59,560
Speaker 1: thirst to maintain their life. Yes, invented hip Hop Weekly

1356
01:07:00,000 --> 01:07:01,760
Speaker 1: and we ended up putting a magazine out. We tried

1357
01:07:01,800 --> 01:07:03,720
Speaker 1: to do the week. That was hardest, but we managed

1358
01:07:03,720 --> 01:07:05,560
Speaker 1: to do it two weeks and we did it through

1359
01:07:05,640 --> 01:07:08,360
Speaker 1: the internet. We did something that nobody even understood to

1360
01:07:08,560 --> 01:07:11,120
Speaker 1: put a magazine out because you have a time limit.

1361
01:07:11,600 --> 01:07:15,400
Speaker 1: We did it by having editors all over the place

1362
01:07:15,480 --> 01:07:18,000
Speaker 1: and like nobody we had. We didn't even have an office.

1363
01:07:18,560 --> 01:07:20,680
Speaker 1: And we did that every two weeks and put out

1364
01:07:21,440 --> 01:07:24,200
Speaker 1: seven years of Hip Hop Weekly. Bro. It was amazing,

1365
01:07:24,720 --> 01:07:27,520
Speaker 1: Like was it in newsstands or just all over the

1366
01:07:27,600 --> 01:07:29,720
Speaker 1: news stands? Everywhere? It was in the jails. People loved

1367
01:07:29,760 --> 01:07:33,200
Speaker 1: hip Hop Weekly. Damn. Who was in that with you? Huh?

1368
01:07:33,440 --> 01:07:36,240
Speaker 1: Who was in that? It was me and Dave me David.

1369
01:07:36,280 --> 01:07:39,280
Speaker 1: We hired my man Cavario, you know what I'm saying.

1370
01:07:39,360 --> 01:07:43,880
Speaker 1: And we hired a Cynthia Horner Sunny from from the

1371
01:07:43,960 --> 01:07:46,520
Speaker 1: Food Network. Salute to her. She's doing amazing things, Like

1372
01:07:47,240 --> 01:07:49,240
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Like I was hiring everybody

1373
01:07:49,320 --> 01:07:52,360
Speaker 1: I was hiring from jail, giving them journalists. Why don't

1374
01:07:52,360 --> 01:07:55,960
Speaker 1: I have like a network TV something? I mean, did

1375
01:07:56,040 --> 01:07:59,600
Speaker 1: you get any information from all of this? Right? So?

1376
01:07:59,760 --> 01:08:01,920
Speaker 1: You know right now you know how to run up?

1377
01:08:02,360 --> 01:08:04,200
Speaker 1: I know I do all that, bro, you know what

1378
01:08:04,200 --> 01:08:11,440
Speaker 1: I'm saying. But but it's like, it's like Dave, Dave

1379
01:08:11,560 --> 01:08:13,800
Speaker 1: a lot of people don't want to streets a lot

1380
01:08:13,800 --> 01:08:17,120
Speaker 1: of people don't want to all that that they might

1381
01:08:17,200 --> 01:08:21,640
Speaker 1: be larry and scared of. See, Dave wasn't Dave. We

1382
01:08:21,840 --> 01:08:25,080
Speaker 1: bonded and when hit everything grew, Dave came to me.

1383
01:08:25,920 --> 01:08:29,280
Speaker 1: And even when he gave me fifty percent of Salt Magazine,

1384
01:08:29,320 --> 01:08:31,920
Speaker 1: it wasn't making no money at ninety four, I wasn't

1385
01:08:31,960 --> 01:08:33,920
Speaker 1: getting no money. You know what I'm saying. I just

1386
01:08:34,080 --> 01:08:35,960
Speaker 1: was that, yeah, because I had to look out for Dave.

1387
01:08:36,040 --> 01:08:38,360
Speaker 1: I was Dave's frying and his muscle. And then I

1388
01:08:38,439 --> 01:08:41,240
Speaker 1: started learning new to where's that my mind? Because I

1389
01:08:41,360 --> 01:08:44,559
Speaker 1: was hip hop and I started actually making amazing things.

1390
01:08:44,600 --> 01:08:48,000
Speaker 1: Happening where I was surprising myself, like damn that. Once

1391
01:08:48,080 --> 01:08:51,559
Speaker 1: I started, you know, doing actual that was outside of street,

1392
01:08:52,160 --> 01:08:54,400
Speaker 1: then that's when I was like, oh yeah, come on that.

1393
01:08:54,720 --> 01:08:56,360
Speaker 1: And I didn't get credit for it, but I wasn't

1394
01:08:56,360 --> 01:08:56,960
Speaker 1: looking for it.

1395
01:08:57,800 --> 01:09:00,640
Speaker 4: But what I'm hearing from you is that that you

1396
01:09:00,800 --> 01:09:03,599
Speaker 4: were a round source from day one, but you wasn't

1397
01:09:03,640 --> 01:09:05,960
Speaker 4: participating from a business perspective.

1398
01:09:07,760 --> 01:09:10,120
Speaker 1: There wasn't really nothing that really nothing to participate with

1399
01:09:10,240 --> 01:09:14,120
Speaker 1: me in it from until I would say that until

1400
01:09:14,160 --> 01:09:16,479
Speaker 1: I started like really getting involved with the source swords,

1401
01:09:16,520 --> 01:09:19,080
Speaker 1: which was around ninety four to ninety five. But if

1402
01:09:19,120 --> 01:09:22,000
Speaker 1: he giving you fifty percent, then that means something was

1403
01:09:22,160 --> 01:09:24,840
Speaker 1: established pro right, That's what I'm saying, right that he

1404
01:09:25,000 --> 01:09:26,439
Speaker 1: was like I was with him the whole time, and

1405
01:09:26,520 --> 01:09:28,519
Speaker 1: I told you, like he was staying at my apartment

1406
01:09:28,520 --> 01:09:31,040
Speaker 1: when it was backing the magazine. Who was best friends?

1407
01:09:31,120 --> 01:09:33,720
Speaker 1: But on paper he was one hundred percent But he no, no,

1408
01:09:33,840 --> 01:09:36,040
Speaker 1: he was. He had partners. Remember those guys he brought

1409
01:09:36,080 --> 01:09:38,160
Speaker 1: them out of ninety four when everybody walked out when

1410
01:09:38,160 --> 01:09:40,800
Speaker 1: he put the article involved. Okay, you know what I'm saying.

1411
01:09:41,120 --> 01:09:43,040
Speaker 1: So then he gave me fifty percent, because he was

1412
01:09:43,080 --> 01:09:45,599
Speaker 1: one hundred percent. It was like, yo, and this before

1413
01:09:45,640 --> 01:09:48,400
Speaker 1: any real attraction is happening. Yeah, it wasn't really no

1414
01:09:48,479 --> 01:09:50,280
Speaker 1: money being made. He was like, bro, you want to go?

1415
01:09:50,360 --> 01:09:52,920
Speaker 1: I was like, why not? I wonder how he feels

1416
01:09:52,960 --> 01:09:56,840
Speaker 1: about that moves. I mean, listen, look at we We

1417
01:09:57,000 --> 01:10:00,560
Speaker 1: did amazing things together. I was amazed, you're part of

1418
01:10:00,640 --> 01:10:04,360
Speaker 1: those millions. Bob Johnson, who sold Beaty with three hundred million,

1419
01:10:04,760 --> 01:10:07,040
Speaker 1: flew us up there and offered us fifty five million

1420
01:10:07,080 --> 01:10:10,479
Speaker 1: dollars cash in his office. I did that, me and

1421
01:10:10,680 --> 01:10:15,639
Speaker 1: Dave together, like that was me. There wasn't no source

1422
01:10:15,760 --> 01:10:20,160
Speaker 1: without me. I was unorthodox and how I did but

1423
01:10:20,280 --> 01:10:23,200
Speaker 1: I but it didn't matter. I wasn't up there. I

1424
01:10:23,280 --> 01:10:25,400
Speaker 1: didn't have to be the poster boy because I was

1425
01:10:25,439 --> 01:10:27,680
Speaker 1: getting money and I was happy and everybody around muse

1426
01:10:27,840 --> 01:10:29,120
Speaker 1: and it was an amazing thing.

1427
01:10:29,400 --> 01:10:30,599
Speaker 6: Could you have learned more?

1428
01:10:30,680 --> 01:10:33,479
Speaker 1: Though? No, I've learned. I learnt a lot. I've learned

1429
01:10:33,479 --> 01:10:35,280
Speaker 1: a lot. There was nothing else. How can you learning

1430
01:10:35,320 --> 01:10:36,280
Speaker 1: I learned and taught.

1431
01:10:36,400 --> 01:10:39,240
Speaker 4: How can you be learning the business side of it

1432
01:10:39,320 --> 01:10:41,800
Speaker 4: when you party and by spending the money?

1433
01:10:42,280 --> 01:10:44,040
Speaker 1: No? No, see, because the business side of it for

1434
01:10:44,160 --> 01:10:47,000
Speaker 1: me was to take him. Dave doing it sounded like

1435
01:10:47,040 --> 01:10:50,400
Speaker 1: anytime we say something no, no, no, Because I just

1436
01:10:50,479 --> 01:10:53,519
Speaker 1: told you I was quarterbacking Dave. Dave didn't do shit.

1437
01:10:54,080 --> 01:10:55,920
Speaker 1: I was making all that. I told you that. We

1438
01:10:56,000 --> 01:10:57,960
Speaker 1: just spoke on it. I said I was everything that

1439
01:10:58,240 --> 01:11:03,240
Speaker 1: major developments. And so from the creative side, you were saying, well,

1440
01:11:03,280 --> 01:11:05,320
Speaker 1: that's the building I'm talking about. That's not knowing. That's

1441
01:11:05,360 --> 01:11:08,479
Speaker 1: the talent side. I'm telling you how administrative they don't

1442
01:11:08,560 --> 01:11:11,320
Speaker 1: care of that. Yes, but it don't work. You don't

1443
01:11:11,320 --> 01:11:13,960
Speaker 1: get money unless the magazine was tried about that. Yeah,

1444
01:11:14,160 --> 01:11:18,160
Speaker 1: but I'm saying, imagine being the senior old fred O Lazy.

1445
01:11:18,240 --> 01:11:20,360
Speaker 1: Now that's not not but that's not my lane. I'm not.

1446
01:11:20,439 --> 01:11:22,120
Speaker 1: I didn't go Dave went to Harvard for that. Let

1447
01:11:22,240 --> 01:11:24,840
Speaker 1: Dave do that. Let let let your partner do that.

1448
01:11:24,960 --> 01:11:27,040
Speaker 1: You and so if you them don't know that, you

1449
01:11:27,840 --> 01:11:30,719
Speaker 1: put it said, I'm telling from doing that twelve million

1450
01:11:30,800 --> 01:11:33,960
Speaker 1: dollars you do right, right. I wasn't with it, but

1451
01:11:34,520 --> 01:11:38,519
Speaker 1: I trusted him. I wasn't with it after twelve million.

1452
01:11:38,520 --> 01:11:39,960
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. You know you know what

1453
01:11:39,960 --> 01:11:42,320
Speaker 1: I'm saying. Of course, it's that that money's going towards

1454
01:11:42,479 --> 01:11:44,360
Speaker 1: the source whatever. But I didn't know it. I didn't

1455
01:11:44,360 --> 01:11:45,760
Speaker 1: trust it. But he did it, and I had to

1456
01:11:45,800 --> 01:11:47,120
Speaker 1: go and I had to roll with it just like

1457
01:11:47,600 --> 01:11:49,400
Speaker 1: I did. He wrote it with five I mean the

1458
01:11:49,680 --> 01:11:52,880
Speaker 1: five mics. Now imagine that Dave went to Harvard and

1459
01:11:53,000 --> 01:11:56,200
Speaker 1: made that decision and and and it wasn't a good decision.

1460
01:11:56,439 --> 01:11:59,280
Speaker 1: But that don't make Dave wrong, for it was what

1461
01:11:59,479 --> 01:12:02,320
Speaker 1: was the decision you made that wasn't so didn't pan up?

1462
01:12:03,640 --> 01:12:05,719
Speaker 1: Get it? Man? This Wallow two seven and now tuned

1463
01:12:05,760 --> 01:12:08,760
Speaker 1: into It's up there podcast Man with my Man loom Man.

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Speaker 1: Check him out all